From the Kitchen Table: The Duffys - Relationship Non-negotiables & The Importance of Keeping It Fresh!

Episode Date: February 3, 2024

Sometimes the repetitive nature of life can be discouraging - especially in relationships. But have no fear, the Duffy's are here to discuss how to keep the fire alive while staying on top of busy schedules. They also reveal their relationship non-negotiables (and why Sean thinks the concept is flawed). Later, they discuss why prioritizing DEI over merit is wreaking havoc on the workplace and how they believe the legal system is prioritizing the lives of illegal migrants over the safety of Americans. Follow Sean & Rachel on Twitter: @SeanDuffyWI & @RCamposDuffy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey everyone, welcome to From the Kitchen Table. I'm Sean Duffy along with my co-host for the podcast, my partner in life, my wife, Rachel Campos Duffy, who is not with me because I'm at Fox. She's at the kitchen table. But we are together in spirit and on the podcast. Hey, Rachel. Yeah, I do love it. But it's just not the same, not having a cup of coffee with you at the kitchen table.

You have a nice... We'll keep the vibe alive. I have a paper cup and you have a nice mug. The difference when you're at home and the Fox studios in New York. So it's Friday and we're doing questions and answers. We have some good ones that have come in. So why don't you start? What's the first question that's come through? So we have some, we have some political ones. We have some relationship ones. I thought, let's just start with relationship ones. Cause we're so close

to Valentine's day. We're in the month of February. Oh yeah, we are. So next week we'll do a Valentine's day special, but let's do a little, um, a little sneak peek. Yeah. Let's do a little sneak peek. So, um, this question is very interesting. I'm going to do two of them. Um, what are some of the things that are non negotiables for you in your relationship? What's non-negotiable? That's a great question. You go first. I know these are really on the fly here. I would say something that's non-negotiable. Oh, I know what's non-negotiable for you, Sean. What's that? Sean does not, if we're in the car together, he does not let me drive.

Listen, that's a 98% rule. There's been a few times when I had shoulder surgery, you did drive me home. Yeah, okay. Shoulder surgery is the only loophole in that rule. It's a non-negotiable. That's a non-negotiable. I mean, look, I would say, obviously, being faithful is non-negotiable. And also, I think just in general, being a partner. If I felt like, and I'd probably take on a good 80% of the household stuff,

but if I felt like I had to do it, I'd do it because I enjoy that part of my life. I enjoy the house being neater than you. I enjoy that part of my life. I enjoy the house being neat, neater than you. Um, but if I felt like you felt like it was my job to do it, cause I'm a girl, um, necessarily I, I, I don't, I would take the joy out of it for me. And that would be a non-negotiable. Listen, if we're going to go to the, like those standards, I'd say, well, listen, you shouldn't hit each other. That's probably a basic, simple thing. Right. Um, basic, but yeah. No, it is. Um, listen, I guess, I mean, I think non-negotiable, you have to have coffee with me in the morning. Um, right. You have to, you have to hang out with me. Um, non-negotiable is, you know, on occasion you have to put your phone down. By the way, it's our daughter, Evita, and her husband complains about your daughter as well about not putting her phone down.

But we need some moments where we have to connect outside of you being on your phone. This is a big theme in our household, Rachel's relationship with me and her phone. I have a little bit of a tech addiction. I fight her phone for her 10-day. I get my news from my phone. I don't really, you know, read the – I get my, I get my news from my phone. I don't really, you know, read the, I don't get a newspaper that comes to my door. Sometimes it's entertainment, entertainment and news all rolled up in one. So yeah, that's interesting. But that, that would

take me some more thought actually to go, what, what is non-negotiable? Cause, but can't just, the question's flawed because I think marriage is flexibility, right? I don't think we don't have hard and fast rules of like you have to do this and have to do that, and that's non-negotiable. Listen, I think rigidity is not good. We have some principles by which we live, but it's not a hard and fast rule that says you have to do this or we you know, we have real problems in our marriage. Things happen. Issues come up. But I think that this is deeper, Sean.

I think I probably set the tone wrong because I started with like, you know, a chore related one. I think what I think this person is asking really is something very deep. Like, for example, we've taken tests that measure our personality. You and I have done this. We've been in like political retreats for your office where they want to find out everyone's personality and they kind of test what your values are based on these tests. And like my highest value is loyalty. So for me, you being loyal to me in every way, and I don't mean just like sexually faithful to me,

I mean loyal like you've got my back. That is a non-negotiable. If I was in a relationship with someone who doesn't have my back or who when I felt like they didn't meet that standard, weren't open to understanding why I felt that way, that would be a problem. That's a non-negotiable loyalty to your spouse and family. So just a side note there, which I'm going to come back to the question.

There are so many good people in America. Anne, who volunteered her time to work with us and my congressional team to make her government work better. She is amazing. The woman who ran your retreat. Yes. You're not making people know what you're talking about. She ran the retreat, volunteered her time to come and run the retreat for our team and has become a friend of ours. But you talk about that test and it was interesting. We all took the test and you remember what is loyalty for you. I can't remember what mine was, but I remember doing the test and it was interesting. We all took the test and you remember what you, it was loyalty for you. I can't remember what, what mine was, but I remember, I remember doing the test and being

like, this is stupid. Obviously everyone is going to, you know, come down on the side that I came down and I couldn't fathom. It was like a, it was like a game. It was like a, it was like a story and you had to tell, there were different people who had done different things. In the story. In the story. And it was like, who was the worst person of the story? And they all had different violations. One was loyalty.

Other ones were working. Other ones were, there was like eight different things of violations of the different people in the story had made. And you had to say who was the worst one. And based on your values, that's the person you'd pick that was the most offensive. Um, and I thought it was fascinating.

We do, we do have to understand that people do value different things in life and understanding that, um, I think makes our relationship better. Um, yeah, it's like when people take the,

you know, the what's your love language, right? Um, it's like that, you know, when, when, when you, do we talk about that? Yeah. Yeah. Like mine is like acts of service. Yours is yours is physical attention, physical touch, physical attention, not surprising. I would say that my sister says that her non-negotiables, she's, my sister is single. And so hers are, these are her non-negotiables, no vegans, no cyclists, no atheists. And I think those,

I mean, for all of you single ladies out there, I think this weeds out every, I think it's the most clever three categories to put in your non-negotiables for, for dating. And I'm, I'm all about, you know, being open-minded, but I think those three are, are pretty good. You'll beat out a lot of bad guys that way. Well, and just, you know, like I don't cycle. No vegans, no cyclists. I'm not a vegan and I'm not an atheist. So like that was beyond my answer. Cause that's, neither of us are in those categories.

And the cyclist is not like Pelotoners. It's like those people that cycle on really small roads that are not meant for bikes that seem to be inviting death. I have no idea why they do this. Well, I think it's also that they seem to enjoy wearing the really tight Lycra shorts, exposing... Middle-aged men in Lycra?

Yeah, not the best look. Okay. I, let me get to, let me get to my next relationship question. Cause I'm ready. I can go, I can go with one that came in for me as well. If you're not ready for, I mean, go ahead. Okay. So someone asked me about this earlier in the day, I did America's Newsroom with Bill Hammer and Dan Imprino. And one of the questions that came up on the show, and someone asked me about this, it was the American Psychological Association. They claim merit-based hiring is unfair. And they basically wrote a paper that says that, you know, looking at whether it's race or socioeconomic

conditions should be factors in hiring and the decisions that are made as opposed to the merit of the employee that we're considering. And this is a fundamental change in who we are as Americans. change in who we are as Americans. We're a merit-based society. We don't make decisions in our hiring based on your sex, sexual preference, your race, where you came from. We hire someone to go, can you do the job? Are you the best person I can hire at this salary to complete this job? And it's good for innovation, creativity, productivity, And it's good for innovation, creativity, productivity, all really good things that make a capitalist society work. Well, in the study, which, by the way, is shocking, there are a bunch of libtards that do this. The problem is that they want people to go, well, where did you come from?

And what hardships did you have? And, you know, was there all factors in your life that could hold you down? How were, you know, were your parents married? Were they not married? You know, where do you grow up? Were you in a, you know, public housing? Did you have your own home in a backyard? Like all factors that might apply to you. that might apply to you. But me as the employer, I care about me and the productivity of my operation. And when you slide into a meritless society, then the factors just become maybe immutable qualities. And the problem with that is you have an economy that will completely rot and it creates passivity. People are passive. They will. Well, the institutions erode, Sean. I mean, I've seen this in, you know, you can go to Latin America, you can go to the Soviet Union.

When people, you know, in those countries, they privatize, for example, industries like the oil industry or the electric company or whatever. They privatized these big, really important operations, even like in the Soviet Union, the airline. And it was a joke during the Cold War that nobody wanted to fly on planes that were Soviet-run because the person who ended up as the pilot or the mechanic or the guy running the whole operation were not the best and the brightest. They were people who were connected to the regime and got these cushy jobs because, you know, they had that political connection. They got that advantage. In Latin America, you saw that all the time. And in Venezuela, for example, you had the oil industry. I mean, Venezuela is a huge oil, it's a natural resource. It's one of the reasons why Venezuela was the richest country in Latin America. It's now the poorest. And what happened is they privatized

these industries. They gave these jobs to people who were politically connected, not people who necessarily knew about how to run an industry that important to the country and to their exports, people who didn't know about engineering necessarily and what it took to do the exploration and getting out the oil and selling it, etc. And those industries started to rot from within. I mean, Sean, you've you sat on financial services. And when we started to see over the last few years, sort of this overdrive, you know, this thing on overdrive of DEI and hiring, and you were seeing this in the banking industry, that the best jobs in banking were almost exclusively reserved

for minorities because they had to meet these certain quotas. You said this is a problem. If we're not hiring the brightest for our financial plumbing, the banking industry, the financial industry, we're screwed. That's important because a lot of people don't think of banking. They don't think of the Federal Reserve. It's kind of something that doesn't touch their lives or so they think. And my point was always things can go wrong in the economy with interest rates. Things can go wrong in the economy with DEI. And it takes months, if not years, to see

the rot that happens. If something happens in the plumbing of the American economy, happens. If something happens in the plumbing of the American economy, you know today, things collapse very quickly, right? And we saw that with the housing crisis in 2008. It felt like it wasn't right, but when it collapsed, it happened like right now, which is why all these DEI hires and these leftists are putting in that the Federal Reserve is really concerning. Again, I don't care what you are. I just want the smartest people who understand how economies work and how free enterprise works to be there. Let me just make another point on this quickly. Or the smartest person to operate on your child, your baby's heart.

You know, we had a child with a heart condition. I mean, I don't care about the color or the gender of the person or the sexual orientation. I wanted, I mean, we had a lot of pressure, Sean, to go to a Wisconsin hospital. And somebody said, listen, the very best guy is at a different hospital in Chicago. We went there and we just said we wanted the very best. And if I thought they were hiring heart doctors on DEI, I mean, I don't know what I would do or who's landing your plane. These are really important jobs. You just can't leave up to some arbitrary, you know, criteria in some human resources office or some directive out of the transportation department. It's insanity. A factor for me, Rachel, and I think I'm all in on merit, but when I was in Congress, I would also look at someone's work ethic and I would try to go, well, where did they

come from and where are they today? And if they came from, you know, really, really tough place and they may not have gone as far as someone who had more privilege, if you will. But I see how hard they work, the effort they've put in. I want that hard worker. I want someone with grit who's going to take that grit and apply it to the people that I represent in Wisconsin. So I would look at the grit they would have that brought them to where they are. That was a factor for me. You liked guys, for example, just so people understand what you're saying. You liked when a candidate came in and had worked their way through college, for example, that said something to you or somebody who was working construction, you know, in the summer, somebody who, you know, had a, had to, had to work hard. That said, you also had people who

worked for you who didn't have those came from your backgrounds, but were very talented and you hired them too. It was really about the right fit for the office. My, my always question was, it was about you. As you said, it was about your first job told me a lot about you. Did you buy groceries or did you have an internship at some fancy place? And I liked the kid that worked begging groceries or work construction. I'd also ask him too, is like, you're in DC right now. How are you making it? Do you want to be an intern in my office, which, you know, or you want to be employed in my office, how are you surviving right now? And if they told me that their mom and dad were paying for them to live in DC as they found a job, I didn't like that so much as the kid that moved there on their own and was waiting

tables, you know, and trying to get a job on the Hill. I liked that more, but that showed me grit. That was not about, that was, there was a, there was a merit component to that. Also in my office, I did like, I did did like diversity i wanted men and women and i i had i had every cultural background i think you could think of work in my office and i thought that wasn't on but that wasn't by design it just happened but it also gave thing was different though because you liked females in communication i well i had i but i had a great man in communications as well so i I had, but I like the balance of men and women. Anyway, I, but again, this is, this is the communist takeover of America, taking aside

merit and bringing in other standards. And we see wherever this is tried, wherever they do this, whatever economy you look at, it rots, it fails. And instead of elevating everyone on merit, it brings everyone down to the lowest denominator possible. Instead of trying to tell a runner to run faster, it's like, let's put a weight vest on the fastest runner so he runs slower. That's a problem. I want the fastest runners. And it goes to this thing too, Rachel, about winning and losing. And I'm a firm believer

in this. Winning is great. Working hard and winning is a wonderful feeling. Losing, I hate the way it makes me feel when I lose, when I don't do well. And there's a real benefit that comes from that loss. It makes me angry, frustrated, but it makes me want to work harder because I don't like to lose. And that's why I think many people say you learn more from losing than you do from winning. And it's true. And some loss in life, instead of being coddled and propped up and everyone gets a trophy is way better for you personally, but way better for a society that gets a population of grit and a group of people that want to win. We'll have more of this conversation after this. Kudlow on Fox Business is now on the go for podcast fans.

Get key interviews with the biggest business newsmakers of the day. The Kudlow podcast will be available on the go after the show every weekday at foxbusinesspodcasts.com or wherever you download your favorite podcasts. So, Sean, you forgot one other criteria that you used. It was actually the most important criteria you used when you hired young staffers to work in your office. And that is that Sean would purposely let they come into the office and he purposely leave them in the front office next to the secretary and the scheduler. And he'd leave them there for a while. Actually, they could be an intern at the front desk.

It could be an intern. One of the one of the lowest level spots in my office was at the front was at the front desk greeting people. Right. And so you would leave the person coming in with some of some of those people. And then after the interview, you would bring in that intern that was at the front desk or bring in the secretary who's sitting at the front desk and bring them into your office and go, how did that kid treat you? And if they treated the person that they thought was the lowest ranking in the office like crap, that said something about their character and character matter too. So there were several times. And that was a huge knock for them.

There were several times where when I was analyzing candidates, I had a top candidate I wanted to hire. And I would call in the person at the front desk and ask them, how were they treated? And they were treated as less than, beneath, wouldn't talk to the person at the front desk. They thought they were better than the person at the front desk. And when I got that, I didn't hire who I thought would be the best person in my office because I like hardworking but nice people because everyone in that office, they represented me.

Bad interaction with someone in my office was not a bad interaction with them. It was actually a bad interaction with me. So I wanted good people there. I'd also make them interview with our whole office as well. And I love the team that I had. So I wanted their feedback too on who else we were going to bring in. So anyway, I think it's a fascinating movement that's taking place in this country. And it's going to spell disaster for our economy and for our way of life. All right. So before we move on to another kind of political topic, one more more, uh, relationship question. Uh, it says, how can you keep things fresh and not in a repetitive pattern? Well, first of all, I think that's really hard, right? There's, there's, I think a lot of life is somewhat repetitive. Um, you're in a routine of kids and work and cleaning and like that routine, um, is part of life. But I do think

you need, um, moments, flashes of saying, you know what, we're going to shake this up and we're going to do something together. And so, you know, you had to come in to New York, um, a couple of days ago and you couldn't get a ride back to the house. So you're like, Hey, let's, let's stay in the city and go have dinner together, which we did, which was really fun. Or, you know, we've planned on taking some small little trips together. So thinking through in, in, in the mundane of life, if that's probably not the best word, because I don't feel like my life is mundane, but the, the, the, the structure of life, you do have to plan for, hey, let's break this up and have some fun together. And if you go too long, I think that's a really bad sign for a marriage and for a relationship.

And maybe I'm not talking about people who are dating because there's going to be a lot more fluidity and excitement with that. But, I mean, it's hard for people who are in the grind of kids and jobs, but you have to make sure whether it's dinner or a small trip, or it's, we're going to sit outside and have a cup of coffee when spring comes together. We're going to go for a walk. I mean, there can be some non-expensive ways to go. We're going to break up our life and do certain things together. And also kind of to keep it mundane is an interesting term, but I think our conversations and the time we spend together is, it's so far reaching. We talk about all kinds of things,

whether it's our kids or things that are going on in the economy or in the culture. And so just spending time with you, having a cup of coffee, I feel like can be exciting because we're both seeing different things. And then we share that with each other also breeds a little extra zest. You're just like a little zest. You're like a little salt in my life. You spice it up. I spice it up.

I'm a little saison. I would say, yeah, I mean, first of all, I think communication is important and just being able to not just like communication, like let's talk about this fight we had, or let's talk about what you did last night that pissed me off. I'm talking about having that constant that the person that you're married to or dating is that person that you just love to talk about everything from music and movies to, you know, what's happening in current events to something painful that happened or fun that happened in my childhood or something that's going on in our families. Like you, if, if somebody

actually was listening in on our conversation, it's so all over the map every day when we talk, um, because there's just so much going on. So, I mean, keeping things fresh, I think, is also just like talking. But also, can I take this to a different place, Sean? Because this is something that it's sort of related to this, sort of not, but I'm going to make it related to this. I think this is an important part of marriage that you have to take care of yourself. Part of keeping things fresh is that you are also staying fresh, right? Like in terms of how you dress, how you, you know, update your look, how you take care of your body,

how you, you know, are constantly trying to improve yourself. I mean, we are human beings. you know, are constantly trying to improve yourself. I mean, we are human beings. We are wired in lots of different ways. And frankly, men are wired very visually. It's no, you know, secret that we are all aging. You and I will be together 25 years in April. So not very long from now. Got that right. Good job. You're like in April. April 10th is our anniversary. And I just think that I think that's an important thing to keep in mind. Like that, you know, you want to keep keep keep the relationship fresh, keep your spouse interested. And I'm not saying that, you know, you have to go get, you know, lip injections and dress like a teenager.

I'm saying age gracefully, take care of yourself, keep the relationship fresh by, you know, not having the same hairstyle you had in high school, you know, like keep things going. And that's part of being in a relationship too, is understanding human nature. And the human nature of men is that they're very visually, you know, um, oriented and that, and, and, and so are women. And so I just think taking care of yourself in all those aspects is a sign of respect for your spouse. It says, I care about you. I want you to be, you know, interested in me. Now that doesn't mean like there's nothing grosser than, you know, that middle-aged guy that leaves his middle-aged wife for like a 20 year old. It's that's disgusting. Uh, every time I see Leonardo DiCaprio, um, it's like the women age out at like what,

28, he has to go back down to 22. Um, but so I'm not talking about that, but I'm talking about aging gracefully and, and, and, and making sure that you're, you're all, you get what I'm saying, right? It's two prong notes. It's, it's good for your, for your marriage and your relationship, but it's also good for your just personal health. And again, it's interesting, uh, the older you get, the harder it is to stay in shape and the more muscle you lose and you got to work harder at it. And that effort, I think it does matter for all kinds of reasons. Good answer. That's a little different direction.

I didn't see that going, but well done, Rachel. See, that's how I keep it fresh. You just never know what I'm going to say. That's exactly it. Keep it fresh with that. I'm like, wow, I just, I guess she's this little sparkle that happens in our conversation and in my life. Let's talk about this because, um, uh, was it, uh, yesterday or two days ago, we saw the video of the migrants and, uh, the right, they were housed right near Times Square. Um, and for those who haven't seen it,

can you just tell them what happened? Okay. So there was an altercation, a fight with two NYPD officers, New York police department officers. I believe they were trying to arrest or take one of the migrants into custody. And then these young, other young kids mobbed the officers, got them to the ground and beat the crap out of the officers. And eventually four, I believe it was four of the migrants were arrested. Now, there was more that were participated in the fight that the NYPD is still looking for, but they arrested four. And in clear New York City fashion, they were brought in and within three hours, they were released on a signature bond. So they assigned their name that they would reappear in court for the charges that might be filed by Alvin Bragg against them.

I'm going to take a pause there for a second because then we'll talk about what happened when they left their bond hearing. But when you have a cash bail or a signature bond, you got to post cash or you sign on your own recognizance that you'll appear for future court dates. What the court is doing is making an assessment about whether you will come back to court to answer the charges that are going to be filed against you. And so they'll look at what kind of connections do you have to the community? Do you have a job in the community? Do you own a business in the

community? Do you have a house in the community? Do you have parents and family in the community? So we know as the court that you're going to show up for future court dates. Sometimes this is debated, but the seriousness of the charge is also considered because the more serious the charge, maybe the more apt you will be to flee, right? So we're talking about serious charges where migrants beat up two police officers and they have zero ties, not just to New York, but really no ties to America. They're migrants. They just got here. So you would think that the court would say, well, you have to post cash to make sure you're going to come back into court. But that's not what the court did. They have zero ties to this

community. And the court said, oh, well, we're going to let you sign a bond just saying that you're going to come back for future court appearances. So that in and of itself is outrageous. But the second factor then is they leave the courtroom. There are little thugs that as the media was there filming them, they flipped the bird, give the finger to the media as these young thugs walked out of the courtroom. These are a group of people. Sometimes I want to give the finger to the media. So do I. But I think instead of the media, they I want to give the finger to the media. So do I. But I think instead of the media, they were given a finger to America. Yeah, to America.

A hundred percent. And it's like, I'm entitled. Yeah, I'm going to beat up cops and I'm going to come out and I'm going to give you the finger. I'm entitled to housing and food and, you know, you should wash my clothes and I deserve to be here. Instead of being grateful that a country let you come in and have given you a house and food as you get on your feet. This is the disrespect they have for America. And by the way, Rachel, Joe Biden is like, oh, we're vetting people at the border.

No, you're not. If you were vetting people at the border, these little thugs wouldn't get into America. By the way, none of them should be getting in. But especially little thugs like this, they would never get in. Yeah. This tells you that Joe Biden's not vetting people to come across the border and come into the country. This is the kind of garbage that we're getting that's going to destabilize the country. Well, I actually spoke to a woman when I was in Eagle Pass, Texas. I did a town hall with different residents. And this particular woman said that she was involved with new people who were part of

the NGOs that were vetting. And she said, oh, my goodness. She was Mexican-American. She said, there's so many people coming that they don't have enough people to vet. So now they've hired like kids who are right out of high school or even high school dropouts to do the vetting. Imagine, I mean, just, Sean, for a second, think about what you were like, you know, at 16, 17, 18, 19 years old. I think these were like 18, 19 year old kids that were doing the vetting. And I mean, there's no way they don't have any idea of how to do this process.

And you're right. They get, quote unquote, vetted. And then they get put on flights with virtually no ID or knowledge of who they are, where they come from. They get more, you get more vetting at the airport than they do as we pay for their flight to go to Chicago, New York or wherever they're going. I just got off the phone with Congressman Siskamani this morning. We were talking about the border and he told me that he was down at the border. He told me two stories that I thought were fascinating. He told me he was down at the border and he saw a guy who had just come across the river with a child on his shoulder.

And Congressman Siskomani is a legal migrant to this immigrant to this country, you country, first generation. And he asked him, in Spanish, why would you come here, such a dangerous journey with a child? And he said, which means because Joe Biden invited us. That's what he told him. The other story he told me, which was fascinating, is that he was able to get into one of these centers, one of these NGO centers. And he went in with a young woman who was a staffer of his. And it was all young men, all military age young men. And they were hitting on her when he was going going through and they knew he was a congressman hitting on a staffer oh and a staffer okay yeah no they weren't hitting on the camp i was like

yeah i was like huh wait this is the story i told you i'd keep it fresh um no they were hitting on his young female staffer and he was really upset about it because he was like what the hell like why are these you you know, what's going on? But that's the story, Sean. And those young migrants that gave the finger to those illegals who gave the finger to America as they came out of that are now out of jail, on their way to California, from what I've read, where they will get free housing, free health care. They'll get free tuition if they decide to go to college. California has essentially laid the carpet out because as people are leaving California because the taxes are horrible, they started to lose members of Congress because they're apportioned by population.

Well, now they're repopulating and keeping that power base in California by bringing in illegal migrants. And that's why in Congress, you have some members of Congress now saying, hey, let's put in a bill to make sure we're apportioning the, what is it, how many citizens per member, Sean? Is it 700,000 or 800,000? So yeah, 750,000 to 800,000. As the country grows, that number goes up. You only have 435 seats in Congress. So it's apportioned as the population grows. There's only 435. But Sam, we should be apportioning districts by American citizens, not by people, including illegal migrants who are here. One other quick point, Rachel,

this is what's frustrating. New York is a sanctuary city. And because we're a sanctuary city, that means they can coordinate and collaborate with ICE officials, where you would think that if you beat up American New York City police officers, the first step would be you are going to be deported. Number one. Or number two, you made a good point. I think, I don't know if all four, but several of these young thugs have been flown to California. Now I would imagine as part of the bond

that was signed by these young men would be that you can't leave the state of New York. They are leaving the state and they're flying to California, which means they're never going to come back and answer for the charges of beating up a new york city police officer and he paid for their flight by the way this system is it isn't it is it is a two-tier system and then we go it brings it brings us to this point rachel uh remember daniel penny uh i believe it was

the marine who defended people in the subway. He defended and then he accidentally killed someone because he was trying to restrain them and the person ended up dying. He was not given a signature bond. I think he had to pay a $15,000 cash bail to get released from prison, where you have people who beat the snot out of, and are illegal, beat the snot out of a New York City police officer. they're just released. And again, there's a differential because Daniel Penny is a white former, I don't know if you ever form, right? They would say he's a white Marine who is protecting people in the subway. Well, that's, he's a dangerous man. We got to make sure he has, you know, cash bail to make sure he comes back in. But the minority migrant who's in the city who has no

ties to our community that beats up a police officer, that guy, signature bond. These people are warped in the mind on how they're analyzing the criminal justice system, which is why so many people have no faith in the criminal justice system. One other point, when we were talking to Daniel DeMartino, he's a migrant that came over. No, he's now working towards his U.S. citizenship. He's a legal migrant. He's a PhD student at Columbia in New York City. He's from Venezuela. He's studying. He's getting his PhD in economics. He started the dissident project to talk about the horrors of communism in schools across the country. But he, in the podcast we did with him, he was talking about one of the final steps in

the transformation of Venezuela into communism was the flipping of the criminal justice system. Yes. That law enforcement and the courts stopped working. It was political. There were political prosecutions. We had this idea in America that lady justice is blind. She's blindfolded because she doesn't look at the color, the sex, the race, the economics of the defendant. She bases the decision on justice itself, on the facts and on

the law. That's not happening any longer in America. And it shows this long slide in victory for the communists who have embedded and now taken over this country. And if you can't get a fair trial, you can't get a fair judge. If you can't get a fair bond in this country, something's incredibly wrong. And it goes to this other point you brought up, Rachel, which you can talk about, which is, you know, the pro-lifers. Before you move on to that, can I just say one thing on Daniel Penny? Because that guy's a hero. That guy is a hero.

And I think about myself as a woman, as many women, working class women that have to ride those subways, moms with children who have to ride those subways in New York. Who do you want in your subway car? Do you want Daniel Penny or those illegal immigrants, you know, who beat up police officers? Who do you want in your subway car? Do you want Daniel Penny or those illegal immigrants, you know, who beat up police officers? Who do you want in your subway car? And what is our justice system doing and saying when they don't grant bail or they give a huge cash bail to a Marine who served our country, who was trying to protect American citizens and even non-citizens probably on that New York subway train. And then what it says to these guys, not only letting them out of jail without bail, but our government paying for a plane ticket to send them to California to get more freebies. It's BS. It's so flipping frustrating. And it is the perfect encapsulation

of how our society is degenerating right now. And Daniel Penny sprung into action because of a situation that the government leaders in New York created, allowing mentally ill people, criminals, onto the subway system to harass and harangue and threaten and sometimes use violence against those who travel on the subway. harass and harangue and threaten and sometimes use violence against those who travel on the subway. So he sprung into action to prevent that from happening and is treated like a rabid criminal. But on the flip side, you have the migrants who are going after two police officers that were actually doing their job to keep the community safe, right? And it shows, listen, if you want to stop this, the in quote progress that we're making to criminalize our city, to make our city dirty and unlivable, you're going to go to jail. But if you're part of the movement to make this a deranged criminal run city, you're fine. No jail for you. No bond. By the way, Sean, the situation that you so rightly point out was created the mentally ill man in the subway, a situation created by the government, is about to get worse.

Just this morning, I read in the New York Post that Mayor Adams from New York City, the mayor of New York City, just signed another hundred, multimillion, hundreds of dollar contracts with five different hotels. with five different hotels. These are facilities and hotels in Brooklyn, Queens, and I can't remember the other. There are three different areas, working class areas, by the way, in New York City. Some of these were not just hotels, but they were hotels or facilities that were designated for special needs, for the mentally ill, for the elderly, and for the chronically homeless. So those, he contracted with those facilities and hotels to put in more illegal immigrants.

So what does that do for those who are mentally ill, special needs, physically disabled, elderly, and chronically homeless? They're going to get less spaces. You know, this is not like, this is not like you can just, you know, put the illegals in and some magical, you know, apartments going to show up for the, for those other people. No, those, your family has a, a, a family member who needs a facility like that. They're going to say, I'm sorry, they're full. And then here we're going to go. Those mentally ill people are going to end up on the subways because that's a warm place to be. And we're going to have more Daniel Penny situation.

So this is so insane. Honestly, I want to feel sorry for the people in New York, but they vote for this crap every single time. I'm sorry to get frustrated. Wait right there. We're going to have more of that conversation next. Let's move from New York to D.C. now, because in the conversation of injustice, someone asked us about this. So if you all recall, there was a scandal in the Senate where a Senate staffer, when one of the Senate hearing rooms was vacated, took their gay lover into the Senate room and filmed the two of them having gay sex inside the Senate hearing room, filmed it and put it out online. We just learned that those two individuals that desecrated the U.S. Senate are not going to be charged with any crime.

Because, by the way, they were Democrats. These Democrats. They disseminated the video, too, right? They put it out in some group chat. They put it out in some group chat. Yeah, they did. But they're Democrats, Democrat staffers. They're on the right side of law enforcement and of the Congress. And so nothing happens to them. However, the grandma who gave herself a self-guided tour of the Capitol on January 6th, uninvited, unauthorized, walked through the Capitol. She will go to prison for one year, two years, four years. By the way, both of these guests, we'll use guests in air quotes, are uninvited. The gay sodomy sex inside the hearing room, that was uninvited. That was not sanctioned by the Senate itself. And nor was the grandma walking through the Senate. Which one is worse? Right? The grandma or the desecration by the sex tape filmed in a US Senate hearing room? Which one? But you look at the Department of Justice, the Department of Justice says, well, hearing room. Which one? But you look at the Department of Justice, the Department of Justice says, well, the Democrat staffers who did this horrible act inside a hearing room, they're okay.

We're not going to prosecute them. But the grandma, we're going to throw the book at her. It's outrageous. And by the way, go ahead. Go ahead, honey. You go ahead. I was going to just make one last comment about the the the pro-lifers uh maybe you want to tell the story about them they were praying outside of an abortion clinic they were singing hymns outside of an abortion clinic right peaceful these are truly peaceful protesters as opposed to the peaceful protesters in air quotes that were burning down cities who got no jail time no prosecution prosecution. But these peaceful protesters actually singing hymns outside of an abortion clinic, they're going to be sentenced to up to 11 years in prison.

This system is sick. This is what liberalism, progressivism, leftism, communism, this is what it gives you. It gives you a lack of justice, a lack of fairness, a lack of equity or equality under the law. And this is partisan. This is partisan judicial politics at play. You're on the right side. You go free from the wrong side. You're going to prison. That's what equity is, Sean. That's what equity is. And that's why we should never use that word. It's a it's a it's a it's a word that is the opposite of what we stand for here in America. My sister in D.C. said that her friend lives about 11 minutes away from her house. It took her an hour and a half to get to my sister's house because Palestinian pro-Hamas protests were blocking a bridge.

Now, the bridge that they blocked that made it take an hour and a half for this friend to get to my sister's house is also the same bridge that leads to the airport. So you can imagine how many people missed a plane. Maybe, you know, imagine emergency vehicles I couldn't get through. They're blocking entrances. Will they face 11 years? Because I'm sorry, if an emergency vehicle has to get through, that's an emergency. Abortions are not emergencies, you know. So the claim is that the pro-lifers who were singing peaceful hymns in front were, quote, blocking the entrance. That's the face law blocking the entrance to a an abortion clinic.

blocking the entrance to an abortion clinic. And that's what they're hanging this on, because they were within a certain amount of feet from this. But the pro-Palestinian protesters who are blocking traffic, preventing people from getting to work, to hospitals, to wherever they need to go to school. They are free and fine. Free and fine. It is this double system.

And by the way, the other person, you talk about the peaceful, you know, the grandmas walking through, taking pictures, who love America, who, you know, respect the Capitol, were just there because they were upset about this. You know, what we know was a pretty shady election situation. Taking pictures. They're going to go to jail. The other person, Jacob Chansley. Now, he got off because some footage was finally released by Speaker Mike Johnson.

But he's the shaman. Yes, the Chewbacca shaman that went in. If you recall, he was trying to say a prayer inside of that thing as well, inside of the chamber as well. I'm not justifying what Jacob Chansley did, but I'll take Jacob Chansley, what he did inside the chamber any day over what that disgusting staffer did inside of, and I believe he was um i think it was who's

senator klobuchar's seat wasn't it sean uh they that that sounds right but i don't know that i think it was center so you know center a little more upset about this good minnesota guys let's say you're definitely going to need to disinfect that um that area a little purell and maybe something a little stronger than that more than uh might be might be needed but you know this it goes to the point of elections matter whether it's your local mayors your city councils your da's your president that puts people in charge of the department of justice and also at the department of justice making sure that if there's a Republican president, that you root this corruption out. You root this out. You know, Sean, I'd love to be as hopeful as you are that you could vote this out.

I believe at this moment right now, and there's a great article by Bobby Burak in Outkick, just talking about how the censorship industrial complex, this connection between the deep state and the government, our intelligence agencies, the FBI, the DOJ and big tech are all still in. Nothing has been done. We've exposed some of that, but nothing's been done to actually stop that from happening. And I think it's an excellent point that Bobby is making that, yeah, we now know what they did, but nothing's been done to stop it. And you can be sure that everything is being done already to undermine this election. And you talked about the two tiers of justice, Sean, and the kind of stuff you saw in Venezuela that showed the beginning of the end for Venezuela when the justice system became so politicized. That's what you're seeing with Donald Trump.

That's what you're seeing with, you know, the grandma, the J6 grandmas versus the Senate, you know, guys having sex in the Senate room. This is the same as the two different types of protesters that are treated, whether they're abortion pro-lifers or whether they're pro-Hamas. I mean, it's just, it's all over the map. And what's important for Donald Trump, should he be the nominee, which he probably will be, and should he win the presidential election, is he can't do all this because the media is going to do the same thing they did to him in 2017, 18 and 19. He's going to be fighting all of these forces that want to destroy him and destroy his presidency should he win. But it's important then to put people who understand how these different institutions work, whether it's the EPA, Department of Justice, FBI, DOJ,

name your agency, people who truly understand them and share a way of thinking that want to bring freedom and liberty and justice back into this country, that they go in and they start to root these people out. That's what has to happen. And I hope Donald Trump and his team is thinking about that right now. But it is a rot and a cancer that's been permeating throughout the country. Rachel, I wish I was home with you doing this podcast. But again, we're separated. I'll see you a little bit later tonight. Well, I'll see you as you're in bed going to sleep for Fox and Friends tomorrow morning. No, you might catch me because I'm going to be on Jesse's show tonight.

Pete Hegseth is hosting, so I'm going to do a segment with him. So I might see you as you're coming in. Isn't that fun? Yep. So I'll see you tonight. But great, great talking with you. Great questions, everyone. Thanks you're coming in. Isn't that fun? Yep. So I'll see you tonight. But great, great talking with you. Great questions, everyone. Thanks for sending them in.

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