From the Kitchen Table: The Duffys - Rep. Devin Nunes: How Democrats Lied About Russian Collusion

Episode Date: October 2, 2021

This week Sean and Rachel invite Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA) to The Kitchen Table to discuss how the California congressman revealed the Russia investigation to be no more than a partisan witch hunt.  Nunes discloses how he and his family were personally attacked by high-powered political operatives when he and a House Committee declared that there was “no evidence of collusion, coordination, or conspiracy” between the Trump campaign and Russia.  He also shares why he believes the $3.5 trillion dollar reconciliation package is dangerous to the nation.      Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Thank you, Sean. It's so exciting today to do the podcast with your buddy, Devin Nunes, one of your old colleagues. There's a lot of news right now about the work that he's been doing over years of trying to unravel this Russia collusion hoax. There's some information that's come out just this, you know, in the past week. He was in the indictment of attorney assessment by the Durham probe. So to get Devin's insight into that. But I also want to talk to him about what's been happening with the dysfunction in the Democrat Party. You see the far left wing of the Democrat Party in opposition to the moderates in the Democrat Party.

And they can't find agreement on this massive socialist spending that they want to do or on the infrastructure bill that most people agree with. And I think Devin can give us some insight to that as well. And as we go through the conversation, I hope you hold on tight because if you can't tell from Rachel's voice, she has a cold. She's kind of sick. because if you can't tell from Rachel's voice, she has a cold. She's kind of sick. And we're going to carry her through this. So with that, Devin, welcome to From the Kitchen Table.

Hey, guys. How are you doing? Good. Great, Devin. Thanks for joining us. I'm sorry. Rachel's not feeling well. I know.

We'll have to give her some vitamin C, maybe some ivermectin. It's not COVID. I had COVID in November. Cattle dewormer. You know the love's talking points. So Devin, hey, listen, I want to talk to you about kind of the Russia collusion hoax and how it's unraveling. You have been at the forefront of this as the head of the intelligence committee in the House and have been calling out a lot of the left tactics and Hillary Clinton tactics that have driven a narrative that Donald Trump colluded with Russia. You've been saying for a long time that that's not true. And when you'd say that you were the whipping boy of the left wing media, they've come at you hard, calling you every name in the book. And so John Durham, who was set up to do an independent investigation about the origins of Russia collusion, came out with an indictment of attorney Sussman, who was an attorney who actually worked for the Hillary Clinton campaign and the DNC, the Democrat National Committee. And he went with information about Russia collusion to the FBI and told them, because he's a great

patriotic American, that he's really concerned that Donald Trump was colluding with Russia. We now know it was a bogus story. He was lying to the FBI and didn't tell the FBI, Sussman didn't tell the FBI, which was the basis of the charge, that he was actually working for Hillary Clinton. He was just saying, no, no, I'm just a concerned citizen. But Sean, how did the guy at the FBI that he talked to is his friend? He must have known. Well, that's what we want Devin's take on. So Devin, what's your take on the developments that have unfolded in recent days and where do you think it goes? Well, Sean and Rachel, thanks for having me on.

And this is something that the American people expect to get solved because you have half of America who doesn't trust the FBI or the Department of Justice. Right. So it's so critical to see this to the end. And Durham needs to be able to continue this investigation, which is really my number one concern. Can I just interrupt you for a second? Because you brought up the FBI and how we've lost trust. It's to the point where I actually believe that Dog the Bounty Hunter

is going to be the one to find the killer of Gabby Petito before the FBI. That's how much confidence I've lost in the FBI. Yeah. Well, look, I think it takes leadership from the top and the FBI, clearly the leadership has gone awry for many, many years, especially under Comey. And that goes down through the ranks. So as you all well know, I mean, Sean, you've worked with local FBI agents, field offices, a lot of really good, solid people. But if your agency is politicized, it just sprinkles and spreads all throughout the agency, whatever that agency is. And so that's really the overall problem that we have. But you guys were mentioning at the beginning of this, how did I know I was being attacked constantly for pointing out the obvious that Trump didn't collude with Russia? It was

ridiculous from the outset. But how did I know it was because the fact they made the biggest mistake in Washington, because the left, when the, they made the biggest mistake in Washington. Cause the left, when they start shooting at you and they start shooting at you with everything, you know, you're right over the target, right? The best thing they should have done, but they couldn't help themselves. They just could have ignored me. And Sean, you were there at the time. They could have ignored me and said, Oh, look, look at the crazy guy over there.

But instead they targeted me for elimination, right? Ethics complaint after ethics complaint, attacking my family, my wife, anybody who had ever done business with me. From the very beginning, I knew, wow, this is much bigger and much broader than I ever expected just because they threw everything they had at me and my family. And of course, it made it obvious that they were doing something really wrong. And then of course, even today, even to this day, if you look at the Sussman indictment, I learned things that even I didn't know. I think we all knew the Clinton campaign concocted this deal, but we didn't realize that Sussman was really a focal point in on the development of the fake narrative that the

Trump campaign was colluding with Russia. So he was a major player. We knew he was a major player because he was a lawyer and they were very clever to use the law firm to essentially launder information. And then as probably you and your listeners know, they could claim, oh, this is privilege. You can't talk to our lawyers. Well, thankfully, Durham shot through that, pierced that. And I think that's one of the things that's taken Durham so long to get to the bottom of this is the fact that they had to fight through a grand jury, I'm guessing, to try to get through that to say, no, these guys aren't privileged. We can get a warrant on them. They do have to give up all this information. And that I'm sure is what's taken Durham a long time. And now you have reports just the last couple of days that they've broadened the scope. And this is another giveaway. Whenever you see the fake news organizations like CNN, New York Times, Washington Post, when they start to come out with stories on the Russia hoax, that's the best story

they're going to get. And you know, it's not true. So just in the last couple of days, they said that, oh, it doesn't look like Durham has anything. And now they're going after Perkins Coie, the law firm. So clearly Durham has more information that he wants from the law firm. And that's kind of where we stand now. Yeah, I think it's interesting that you explained why it's taken so long, because I think that that's another reason why so many Americans were starting to lose faith in the system. It just seemed like it took forever. And we kept hearing, okay, next month and the next month, it'll come out and next month. I mean, when the Durham stuff came up, I actually, when this last indictment came out, I actually was like, oh, is he still working there?

Like, I didn't even know. He's still alive. Yeah. What happened? But that's interesting that it just takes that long. I mean, does that timing make sense to you, Devin? Well, remember what happened a few weeks ago when this broke. Devin? Well, remember what happened a few weeks ago when this broke. They went to, I believe it was the New York Times, I think, with a story of, oh, it's a nothing burger. Ha ha ha. They just got

them on line to the FBI. Of course, now when they targeted Roger Stone, all these characters and got them on, you know, that's typically what the FBI has done. And most of these line to the FBI or line to Congress cases, they start out with something a lot bigger, and then they reduce it down to lying to the FBI. So the New York Times came out, fake news story, nothing burger. This is just looks like a political attack. Well, then you see, read the 27 page indictment and you see, wait a second, this is not a typical lying to the FBI charge where you're pleading down. This is an actual coordinated effort. down. This is an actual coordinated effort. It's the quintessential definition of the law of, you know, some of these guys purposely went into the FBI, made up multiple fake news stories,

fed it into their multiple times across multiple agencies. So it is, I think, the definition of, you know, we can't have Americans running into their local field office, sending the FBI agents out just because it's somebody they don't like, either in politics or business or someone they have a vendetta against. You can't just walk into an FBI office and say, well, you know, I know that Sean Duffy, he did this, this and that. I mean, if we had that going on everywhere, you can see how it'd be a major problem. That's why the laws on the books, Sussman broke that law. It's very, very clear. The fact that the fake news media and all the kind of Clinton orbit, Democrat Socialist Party orbit are all saying that this is a nothing burger and he's abusing the system, I think, once again, tells you that Durham's got a lot there. Because remember, and I think you brought this up, Rachel,

And I think you brought this up, Rachel. It's impossible to believe that the FBI, we already know one FBI lawyer has already pled guilty, but it's really impossible to believe. And I think a fairy tale that all these high level FBI people who have all been here in the swamp, they all know each other. They're all buddies. That's, you know, Sussman doesn't walk into the top lawyer for the FBI, the top guy. Sussman doesn't walk into the top lawyer for the FBI, the top guy, and that top guy didn't know that there were shenanigans going on. I should say that top guy is now, he was very uncooperative with our investigation, a guy named Baker, and he conveniently is at Twitter. Imagine that. Yeah, that's James Baker. He's now a top lawyer at Twitter. He was the FBI general counsel. And to your point, Devin, this is what Rachel alluded to earlier.

Here you have your friend, Attorney Sussman, come in, right? You know him, you're friends. That's why he got the meeting with James Baker at the FBI, because they're longtime friends. And so James Baker at the FBI completely knows that Sussman works for Hillary Clinton and the DNC, but he comes in with this outrageous story that Donald Trump was colluding with Russia. And Sussman says, I'm just a concerned citizen, right? This is not about politics. I'm just a concerned, patriotic American. Wouldn't you think that James Baker at the FBI might go, huh, American. Wouldn't you think that James Baker at the FBI might go, huh, I should dig into this a little bit more to make sure he really is a concerned citizen? Or was this a plant from

the DNC or Hillary Clinton to smear Donald Trump? Wouldn't a good, I mean, the top lawyer at the FBI, don't you think they would ask that question if they wanted to know the answer to that question? Yeah. And look, this is this is remember, this is this happens after the election is well, right before the election. And I think it's been again right after the election. into, and probably almost a year into, where all the high-level people, the FBI, already know there's a full-blown investigation into Trump in Russia. What Sussman brought in was this new October surprise. They were trying to get this, oh, fake news thing of, wow, there's some kind of bank account and server. There must be money getting wired over to the Trump Tower. I mean, it's a joke. It's just the whole

thing was a joke. Baker had to have known and all the top level people had known that they had started this investigation five or six months. So yeah, you're right. Sussman walks in. He had to be buddies with him, Sean, because there are very few people, even in Congress, who can get a meeting with the top lawyer. You couldn't walk in and get a meeting with James Baker from the Intelligence Committee. That's correct, because they would want to dot all their I's, cross all the T's, get a bunch of things in writing before I would even walk in the door. So, you know, at best, what I could do is as a congressman, I could probably go to a local field office, walk in just like any U.S. citizen can do and say, hey, look, I got all this stuff.

You know, you better get this, you know, up the chain of the command because bad things are happening. You know, that's how normal Americans would do it. So, yeah, even me, you as a former congressman, none of us, you know, maybe a high level, you know, and if it was a higher level, say, you know, speaker of the House level or presidential level that could get the person on the phone, they wouldn't talk to the lawyer of the FBI. They talk to the FBI director or the deputy FBI director, not the lawyer. But that story about. Yeah, they're losing.

They're using lawyers. They're using lawyers. It's like they use Perkins Coy. All these guys are hiding under the privilege. That's why they went to baker so he could hide because through our investigation i know people it's very frustrating to watch and very painful and that's why it took us so long is you know they would constantly differentiate between you know kind of regular agents and lawyers like you know it took

us forever for anybody at doj to ever give us any information. In fact, you know, there's still probably information that we were never able to see. And that's the advantage that Durham has now is he's been able to get warrants. He's been able to go through all the phone records, put it all together. They have the right technology. They have emails, all that stuff that comes with a real investigation. Unlike in Congress, where we can do a lot of this, but we don't have the guns and the badges and all the equipment that it would take to go, you know, get all the phone records and go through them. It takes us lots of manpower

versus like somebody with Durham or any investigation FBI where they can, you know, they have all the technology and they know all the tradecraft in order to get this done. You're a legislative body. You're not law enforcement. Law enforcement is the FBI. You legislate, and so you don't have all of the accoutrements to, you know, to review the information, to get the information right,

the badges and the guns you don't have. So you can't get it. You need the FBI to actually do their job. We can get it, Sean, but as you know, it just take it just takes a lot of time because we're not built. We're not built to set up to do these types of investigation where you have, you know, massive criminal wrongdoing at the highest levels of the Department of Justice and the FBI. I mean, think about that. I mean, you know, our intelligence agencies and law enforcement agencies were weaponized against the Republican Party. Yeah. And that's what I want to talk about, too, because, you know, first of all, it was a fantastical story. As you said, it was a crazy story. We had all the evidence on Hunter Biden's laptop and and the media didn't go with that.

Only the New York Post, you know, and they took and, you know, big tech took that down. It was not a stretch, by the way. It was not a stretch. If you knew anything about Hunter. He's an alcoholic, a crackhead. I mean, hookers. Right. Well, this was not a stretch.

The Bidens were suddenly rich and they'd never done a thing. And, you know, it was just the whole thing was so obvious what was happening there. And the media was like, no, no, that's a that's that's Russian disinformation. But this crazy story about germaphobe, you know, Donald Trump and prostitutes and the pee pee tape and all this crazy stuff about Donald Trump and Russia, you know, really took hold. I mean, it's really interesting how there are some Democrats right now, Devin, or some liberals. One of them is actually a British guy, Russell Brand. He's a comedian who has a podcast who's like, I can't like he's kind of come to like, what? This wasn't real. Like for four years, we were told this is real.

Like some people are waking up to it, that this was not real. This was actually a hoax. They actually were lying to us. Donald Trump didn't collude with Russia. That was his point. People were really. And so I guess I want to ask you, Devin, how damaging it. I mean, why we need to get to the bottom of this is just how damaging it was to Donald Trump's presidency.

I feel as somebody who voted for him, I feel gypped off by this. I'm angry about this because for four years, the guy that I voted to get into office to execute the policies that I cared about, that I voted for that, you know, he couldn't concentrate on it fully because he had this investigation and people accusing him and smearing him and his family. And they had to deal with, you know, all of this on top of people like you and others who were, you know, in Trump's orbit during the campaign that also had, you know, their lives destroyed. So I guess talk to me about why this is so important that we get to the bottom of it because of the damage. There's a lot of irony here with the Hunter Biden tapes and that story. You had a couple of things there. They went back and they always go back

to the Russia playbook. So they called that right before the election and they got all big to take it down. They said that it was that it was Russian disinformation. But secondly, more importantly, I think, is that you had all of these former top military and intelligence people who said exactly the same thing. I mean, that's another people who signed that letter said Russian disinformation. None of these people should ever be employed again by any of these major corporations who claim to be wholly or now they're all woke. But why would you have on people who are liars, who are essentially lying about Russian disinformation, pretending like, hey, I used to be the CIA director, blah, blah, blah. You know, I know this looks like Russian disinformation. No, you all knew it was phony. You're all political. All of those people, remember, they all serve on major corporations in this company on their boards making $300,000, $500,000 a year for each board, right? And they go consult. So this is

the swamp kind of at its fullest where they take the Clinton lies. Biden then starts to use it during his campaign. They use it to cover up a major scandal that, by the way, we still haven't got to the bottom of. Was Biden our sitting president? He was supposed to get 10% of bills with China. And then you have the fact of the matter of they impeached Trump on Ukraine, but it was actually the Bidens who were involved in Ukraine. And then, of course, they had blamed Trump for Russia, which then it was obviously you had Bidens getting it was three to four million dollars, as I remember, from the

wife of the former mayor of Moscow giving the Bidens money. I mean, look, this is this is a this is a fire. This is a mega fire. This is bigger than the fires that we have right now in California in terms of politics. Sean, if you had done this or I had done this or anybody had done anything remotely like this, we would be railroaded out of town, likely facing criminal prosecution. But if you go back, it's funny on the cocaine and and you know the cocaine and the hookers and all of that uh you don't i don't know if you remember this sean and rachel or not but that's actually the story that they planted on me they planted a story on me like that they ran all over

the country back in 2018 that's right i mean it's just it's so it's so crazy it's like whatever they're doing it's the same playbook doing it that's right it's the same playbook they always use so oh yeah but also like what they accuse you of doing is what they're doing i know so so devon i just i want to i want to make sure i i'm clear on this so again sussman's indicted because he lies to the fbi not telling them who he's actually working for when he presents this information to james baker about about where he you about who he's working for when he gives him the information. But it sounds like James Baker's lying because James Baker knows that. Hold on a second. That's not my question. Hold on.

Okay. Okay. We also have gone to Michael Steele and we see that the Steele dossier is all garbage too. That was a fantasy document as well. So based on every objective read of what we've now seen from the indictments and from what's been exposed, is it pretty clear, even that liberals, like Rachel had just asked, liberals would have to now admit, yes, this was all a hoax. Yes, this came from the Hillary Clinton campaign. Yes, this is absolute garbage of a story that the left wing media covered for three years. Is that is that clear now? Well, what's every day that if you're a liberal, put your liberal hat on. Could a liberal say, no, no, no, it was still real. Well, most of them are poisoned, Sean. So, of course, the swamp creatures around here, like, you know, like those 50 or 60 people who said they claim that Biden laptop was disinformation. They're all in on this. Right. They all know this. They all know it's a scam. And that's why this is so important for Durham to get to the bottom of this.

It's not just just to fix the FBI or the Department of Justice. It's because the leaders of the socialist Democratic Party in this town, every one of them are culpable. I mean, how many times, Sean, did we hear the Democrats in the House? They'd come out of the skip and say, we can't tell you what we saw down there, but boy, it's really bad on Trump. And he clearly has direct ties to Russia. I mean, so this is why this is such a big scandal is because it's just so broad and it shows the corruption and the willingness to lie to the American people over and over and over again, so much so that you corrupt the top of our law enforcement offices here and intelligence agencies.

So they all know it. All the swamp creatures around here know it. The bad part is, is it's kind of their base. So the base of the Socialist Democratic Party in this country, the last poll I saw was you still have half of America that believes this garbage. And that gets, I think, to Rachel's point. This was not fair. It wasn't right for the president of the United States, leader of the free world, Donald Trump, to have to go through this garbage that he's still going through today because, you know,

I don't know what the polling is, but you still have half of America that's poisoned. So I believe this is still real high level figures get locked up and Durham exposes all of this. I don't think you will turn them. I mean, look, you even have Sussman still to this day. And, you know, he's fighting this in court. He's willing to stand up there and say that, oh, this is just, you know, that they're calling the special counsel Durham. If I heard it right, they're calling him a conspiracy theorist. So, you know, pretty soon they'll be saying Durham must be working for the Russians. That's where they'll go. We'll have more of this conversation after this. Upper Canada College inspires boys

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I mean, honestly, everything like I knew this was could not be true. I mean, if you knew anything about Donald Trump, by the way, on the Russian prostitute things, everyone who knew Donald Trump was like, he's a germaphobe. There's no way. And like Sean used to always say when he would get asked about Russia collusion, he's like, Donald Trump couldn't collude with the Republican Party. There's no way he could collude with Russia. I mean, it was such a haphazard, just put together campaign, even administration in so many ways. There's no way they could have pulled something like that off or thought they could get away with it. It was

ridiculous. And it's even worse than that because the the the still dossiers and then there were other dossiers that other people were feeding dossiers all into every level of government. Right. That's what our investigation showed. But, you know, when we finally saw those dossiers, because we heard about them, you know, the only people who didn't know about the damn dossiers were President Trump after he was elected and all the Republicans, all the fake news journalists in this town. They all had it. Oh, and I was hearing rumors. We were hearing rumors back in October before the election. It was running around.

So, Devin, I remember being in the cloakroom. So the cloakroom is the back room outside the house for for those who don't know where members can congregate and actually use their phones and have a Coke. I was back there and I think we were in July or August earlier. oh, we've heard about this document that exposes Donald Trump for all these and they're talking about the Steele dossier, but to the more moderate, maybe leftist Republicans, this had been leaked to them and they were then spreading it around the House. I had no idea what it was, but these

were supposed to be people with knowledge that we see every day on the House floor. And it wasn't just limited to members of Congress who were kind of, you know, the rumors were going on. It had leaked down to staffers. It was sort of like this open secret that Donald Trump didn't know about. So the only thing I will say, though, during that time, you're right in 2016, because you had the Clinton campaign talking about it. I remember a couple, you know, journalists that, you know, that I used to talk to that I didn't think were fake news.

They would allude to me things like that. But at that time, you have to remember, Obama is still the president. I'm chairman of the House Intelligence Committee. And I am publicly stating, I don't know anything about this Trump stuff. I'm publicly stating that Obama is weak on Russia, that they're refusing to do anything. I even made a statement that it was the biggest intelligence failure since 2001, 9-11. I'm saying that in the winter and spring of 2016. And here you have, you know, the only, you know, everybody in the town has all this dossier,

except for those of us who could actually expose, you know, that, that knew once we did see it. So fast forward to January of 2017, when Trump is about to be inaugurated, that leaks out. And as somebody who's been around and read, you know, you know, thousands and tens of thousands of pages of intelligence reports over my time in Congress. I looked at this and like, is this a joke? You guys know this is a joke. This is not an intelligence report. This is not what MI6 professionals from Britain would put together. Nobody. And look, I'm a congressman on the Intelligence Committee. I'm not a guy who writes reports. I'm the guy that consumes reports, reads them. So all these people that are in the business of collecting intelligence and writing

and doing analysis that are trained professionals, this was toilet paper. It was garbage. No one in the FBI or CIA or any journalist that was legitimately, they should have got this and laughed because it was the whole thing was phony and made up. They knew it. If they believe in the truth, they did it. And what's that? If they believe in the truth, if they were looking for the truth, they would have discarded it. But if they're looking for a narrative to destroy Donald Trump, they would accept the garbage toilet paper that you mentioned in the report. Can I ask you a question about where this is? And, you know, just to finish on that before you get your next question,

I believe what this really was at the beginning was just one of these, you know, they've taken dirty tricks to a whole new level. And I think it was just, you know, nobody's ever seen anything like this at, you know, with such granular detail because they've gotten so good at it over the years because of the degradation in the media, right? So when you have these firms now, like a Fusion GPS, they're out there digging up dirt, smearing people for a living. That's what they do. This is kind of a new cottage industry that's really taken off over the last 10 to 15 years, where you have these journalists that actually go outside, they learn how to use the system. They know that they control 95% of all the media people. And many times, they're paying journalists on the side to do this. You're not just getting

paid from your regular news job. You're actually getting force-fed this stuff and you're getting free things to write about it. And so that's a whole other problem. It's an important point that the media has entirely collapsed in this country. And now it truly is just a propaganda arm of the left. And that's why this story is so, so important for the American people just to understand it's where we come in this country with politics. And it gets us to a dangerous place. If you don't have trust in our intelligence services, where they can be turned against political parties or our justice department, where there's a two-tiered justice system, that's how democracies fall. That's how you become a second or third world country. That's why this is so important. That's why what Durham's doing is so critical. Sorry, Sean, I just want to make sure.

No, no, you're just so right. And we're going to move on to the other subject. But I want to just say, ask one small thing before we move on. It's obvious why Hillary Clinton would want this story, this fake hoax to get out there. It's obvious why her Democrat allies and people in these firms that are hired by her campaign, et cetera. But what is it with like I'm sure you've thought about it. Why do people in the intelligence community? Why do people I mean, there are lots it's like toilet paper. So obviously not true. What is it about? If you could just sum it up, what is it about Donald Trump that uniquely made him a target of these, I would say, deep staters? you have to remember that this never made it out to the broad FBI or CIA, anybody in intelligence. They kept this very narrow. And that's why they used the counterintelligence process, because that's really closely held. That's the narrow area of the law that you use, because look, you're trying to track down real spies, like real Chinese and real Russian spies. And you never know. So it's a really close-knit circle. So they were very clever to use counterintelligence. It wasn't just your kind of run-of-the-mill criminal

investigation, which, by the way, that's what it should have been if you really had that Trump was getting bribes from Russia. It doesn't make him a counterintelligence target. It makes him a criminal if he was really doing that. So that's why they use it very narrow. They could control it. They put it here in Washington, but they only had all their buddies. So I think most of the people that were involved in this had to have known. They had to be all closely held. And if you look at it, I think on the FBI side in our investigation, I think we only really could get to 10 FBI guys in total that knew about this. They all have very strange ties to the people within the Department of Justice. Remember all those guys? You had one of the top guys at the Department of Justice

who was also taking in this information and feeding it back around. They had like a circular system. This was Bruce Ohr. Bruce Ohr was taking it and feeding it. That's right. His wife was working for Fusion GPS. Nelly Ohr.

Yes, they're all. It's incestuous. So that's how they were able to. One mob of liberals. Yeah. It had to be a small ball inside the Justice Department and the FBI. Yeah. The leadership level fomenting this fake story. I know I don't have you for a whole lot more time. I want to ask you about what's happening in the Democrat Party in a second. But get one last thought from you on this topic. This is the Hillary Clinton campaign, which is Hillary Clinton herself. First question, do we think we get to Hillary Clinton, number one?

But also, number two, a top lieutenant of the Hillary Clinton campaign is a guy with the name of Jake Sullivan, who is now not on the Hillary Clinton campaign because it doesn't exist. He's actually in the Biden White House as his national security advisor, very top level, but very too prominent people. Do you think that this investigation gets to them? Do you think that the politics of that is too toxic for Germany? Leave it alone, even if a violation of law would bring him there. What's your view on that? I think it all depends. So they've got to the very top echelon of the campaign, right? Because you've got the top lawyer who is clearly involved in drafting up this hoax and fake news narrative. So then the question is, now he's pled that he's innocent, right? He has a right to plead that way. But the question will come if he is actually prosecuted, then the questions become if he's willing to answer. And this will be the problem. And it's always been the problem with the Clintons is who gave you the story? Who gave you the order, Mr. Lawyer, that you've been hiding for years. Who told you about that? We clearly know that Sullivan, who was a spokesman for the campaign, he was a Russia hoaxer from the

very beginning. And in June, July, when we first started hearing about this, they were tweeting, there were press releases from the Clinton campaign. So the question, Sean, really is, is who came up with, who concocted this? If it was Clinton herself, and that's where I don't, I doubt she did. I think Clinton probably said, hey, he signed off on it. They all said, oh yeah, let's get them. Let's get all of our buddies at the FBI. We got all our buddies in the media. Because they had to bury, they had to come up with a... And I think that's what this really was about. At the end of the day, they knew she was vulnerable on her emails and they knew that her emails were out there somewhere. They were probably afraid they were going to come forward.

And then when those started coming forward, they had this kind of this this playbook that they had been developing. And then they said, oh, it's Russian disinformation. It must be Trump. Trump's working with them to just smear and obfuscate what was happening. So because Trump was saying Trump was on the campaign trail saying, yeah, Russia, if you've got if you've got our emails, you know, release them. And, you know, he was just toying with the whole idea of it. And I think that's probably what came to the idea. That's exactly right. And I think you're right. And if they could say that when the emails actually came out, it was Russia disinformation.

That was their excuse, which is why they had to tie Donald Trump to Russia. Fascinating. But then it ended up hurting his whole presidency. Final point on all of this is that it did hurt the Trump presidency. But another thing that you guys asked me, what's going on with these people here? Like, how do you get these people with Trump derangement syndrome and all, you know, and Trump never really got to be president because he was under this investigation the whole time. normalized this behavior, right? When you poison half of America and you make it okay to go around the country burning down buildings and you normalize that behavior. And it's, well, Trump's making us do this because he's clearly under control by the Russians. So that allows us to do this. And you say, well, Republicans are all white supremacists. And then you say, oh, well, you know, the world's going to end because of a global warming. You know, they normalize all of this behavior and they think

that they're justified because they have a higher calling. It's like they're gods, right? So their belief in these cults and then, you know, like this cult of smearing a whole party of being tied to Russia, it makes these Americans, they think it's OK to show up to my house. Right. And and and justify the means to have it all the time with them. And it's part of the Solinsky way. And that's what's happened. Even, you know, Sean, you know, you know this. I mean, some of these these Republicans that have continued to attack, even now he's a former president, and they never let a day go by, there's clearly something wrong with them. Because Trump's a lot of things. Look, you can say his mean tweets and all this stuff. Yeah, okay, fine, whatever. But

look, the fact, the reason why most of the people, and they've normalized this where you get former generals, four-star generals and former heads of the CIA that go out and say this, they should know better. And the fact that they're continuing this, and that's what riles up the average Joe out there that's just walking around in Manhattan. I mean, they're still intense. I mean, there's not a day that goes by that I don't get accused of being a Russian agent. I mean, for God's sake, Sean and Rachel, I mean, you, I mean, I had the freak show here, the ethics committee Democrats who for two years investigated me for, you know, Putin must be paying him money. I mean, these are sick, sick people and they all knew better. And that's why

things are so toxic here, Sean. And you're lucky you got it out. And Rachel, you're lucky Sean's not here anymore because this is not okay. It's not okay to have people running around calling their colleagues, Russian agents, with no evidence. I'm just so glad that you stuck to it because honestly, you have been through to have them back and they have not relented on you. And you are tenacious. I think that's why so many people admire you and look up to you. You just, I mean, that first round when they pulled you off the intelligence committee, a lot of people would have said, wow, this is too hot. I'm not going to, I'm going to let this go. But you didn't. And now, you know, all of us are seeing this all the way to the very end. And I mean,

I hope that this Durham thing continues on. I hope he doesn't lose face. I hope it, I hope all of this comes to, I think you're right. Until someone goes to jail for this, the lie will continue. There has to be consequences. And Devin, I say this all the time. I, you know, it's important to have leaders that have courage. And when you have courageous leaders, it inspires others to be courageous. And truly, Donald Trump was courageous through this. You were courageous through this. And I mean, the fighting for truth is the fight for democracy is what this is all about. And Rachel and I are grateful for that. And you had mentioned earlier kind of what the Democrats are doing and the things they'll say and how they don't care for almost the institution because they'll go so far and call guys like you Russian agents when obviously you're not. And it's like, well, what evidence would you have to call me a Russian agent? There's nothing there.

What if Devin slept with a Russian agent? Then they just keep you on the intelligence committee here. Eric Swalwell. Chinese are okay. Russians are not. We'll have more of this conversation after this. What do Ontario dairy farmers bring to the table? A million little things, but most of all, the passion and care that goes into producing the local high quality milk we all love and enjoy every day. With 3,200 dairy farming families across Ontario sharing our love for milk, there's love in every glass. Dairy Farmers of Ontario, from our families to your

table, everybody milk. Visit milk.org to learn more. But my question for you is, I want to get your quick take on this before you go. So we're seeing develop in the house over the last week. There's been a lot of things that have come up. There was a bill that had to fund the government. It's called the CR. That bill actually passed. But there's also a lot of bills that are must pass, but want to pass by Democrats. We have the infrastructure bill that's a little over a trillion dollars. It's bipartisan. It's been passed in the Senate. The House can't pass it because the far left socialist communist wing of the Democrat party has said they won't pass the bipartisan infrastructure bill unless they get the 3.5, which is really $5.5 trillion communist socialist spending plan. So that's actually

taking place. But also we have a debt limit that's coming up in just a couple of weeks, where if we don't raise the debt limit, we can default on our debt. And what Democrats are saying is we want you to raise the debt limit so you can fund all of our crazy spending. And so we see a divide right now. I'm just trying to lay this out, but divide between the socialist left and moderate Democrats. And we've seen this in our own party, we've seen the Freedom Caucus versus the people in tough districts. We've seen that break out as well when we've been there. How do you see this playing within the Democrat Party right now? Well, yeah, let me break it down like this because you threw a lot of numbers out there, and I've noticed just people, there's so many numbers are dizzying, right? People don't even

know what the hell's going on here. So maybe it would be helpful for me to just break it down for your listeners. And this is how I see it. So remember, we have historically been running a $500 billion to a trillion dollar deficit with our normal budget. That was with, you know, we and Sean, we don't get credit for this, but we had some hard caps that we had put on. We kept spending in check. Then we passed the tax cuts. Revenue was increasing to the government.

We were bringing in the most revenue we've ever seen into the government. And then of course, COVID hit, and we did some making sure that people could get paid because supply chains didn't just shrink up and go away. So we did all that back through 2020 to get through this, which probably we spent more than we should have spent, but we spent what we what we you know, what we thought was right. And then when Trump was going out of office, we did a final covid bill that everybody that had bipartisan agreement on. And there was plenty of money there. Right. We had went and borrowed. We had went and borrowed, you know, gosh, what was it, about four or five trillion dollar to try to get through covid. We left a big chunk of change there to make sure you could get through the rest of COVID. Okay. Well, what do the Democrats do right when they got in? And this is where I want to lay this out. First of all, they borrowed $2 trillion that essentially is a

slush fund, trillion dollars. That's already passed. They have that money sitting there to use to bribe people. I guarantee you, none of that money is going to go to my district in California or your old district in Northern Wisconsin. So they spent $2 trillion. Then they came back and said, well, we got to do infrastructure. And it's really not an infrastructure bill. Less than half of it is actually infrastructure. That bill is roughly $1.2 trillion that they want to spend. Then they came back and said, well, and on top of all that, we're going to spend $3.2 trillion that they want to spend. Then they came back and said, well, and on top of all that, we're going to spend $3.5 trillion. This is a separate bill, which is actually really $5 trillion when you actually do the math on it, because they're going to start all kinds of new programs.

So that's kind of where we are. They have $2 trillion they've already spent. And then they have $1.2 trillion that they want to spend, that they could get done. Some Republicans have voted for it, but it hasn't become law yet. And then you've got this $3.5 trillion monstrosity out there that would be the biggest advancement towards socialism that we've ever seen in our lifetimes. And that's kind of where it sits right now is you've got a couple of senators. Are you saying in one year's time in these three bills that Democrats want to spend $10 trillion? It would be- Five trillion, five trillion for reconciliation.

Two plus five, seven, yeah, it's seven or $8 trillion. Now, over the next, now remember, all that money will not go out this year. You couldn't even get that much money out this year. I mean, it's too much money. It's crazy. So over the next four to seven years, you just have all of this money. And remember, our budget is roughly the whole budget for the whole government. Social Security, Medicare, defense spending, all of that is roughly $4 trillion. All of that is roughly $4 trillion, right? And they've already added another two, and now they want to add all this other stuff on. And it's major. And this is going to sound really crazy, by the way. It's not even the money that's the problem. As crazy as that sounds, it's all the policy changes.

So they're basically rewarding their friends or trying to, I would say, screw up the entire economy. But people that are out there that do real things for a living, like produce energy, produce logging, one of your old jobs there, Sean, that do manufacturing, that are actually building things, making things, growing things, trucking things, moving, shipping things. things, growing things, trucking things, moving, shipping things, all the people that are out there actually making this world work that don't live in Manhattan or Hollywood or San Francisco or the bubble here, the Beltway in DC, where you're coming up with these crazy ass ideas, pardon my language, they're looking to put money into these crazy things that will actually make it harder for the people that are making this country work, like essentially relying on China because they're going to go to an electrified economy. Well, we're going to have to buy all the windmills, all the solar panels, all the batteries are going to come from China, right? At the expense of, and our electricity

price is going to go up. I mean, that's the problem here. So it's it's really alarming. Genuous. It's like it's like when they cut when they shut down the the the pipelines and killed all those jobs on the first week of Biden's presidency. And then they go and beg OPEC to produce more. I mean, it's like, you just are so insincere. It's so crazy. But I think Manchin coming out and saying no has probably done more than all the screaming and yelling from the Republicans. I mean, because I think when Manchin's like, no, this is just too much. I think a lot of people are like that. Yeah. Just remember though, Rachel, don't give, a lot of people are, Manchin and Sinema love all this attention.

I mean, look. Yeah, they do. You're right. These are liberals. They're liberals. Oh yeah, yeah, no question. What Manchin put out yesterday, everybody's like, oh, Manchin put out something

that was a trillion and a half and he said he wouldn't do these things, these things, these things. You do realize that what he actually said is nuts too. Right. No, I totally agree. This is like the difference between socialist mansion and crazy, you know, cult.

Communist AOC, right? Yeah, yeah. No, I completely agree with you. But I do think that at least it's cause, well, let's talk about this, Ref, because this is what you wanted to talk about. I just want to bring up one last point, but then I'll get through it then i know we gotta let you go devon we're taking too much of your time but i i know that this with a 1.2 trillion dollar infrastructure

package only half of it goes to infrastructure but here's what's crazy about it is that republicans like you had said well if you want to actually build roads and bridges we have to reform the permitting process the nipa process and democrats and liberals are like, no, we can't reform that process, which means the $1.2 trillion probably isn't going to get spent on new roads and bridges for another eight or 10 years, because that's how long it takes to get the permitting done. So no members of Congress are going to go back to their districts and have big ribbon cuttings, which I love to do because I look at how much money I'm bringing back to my district. Look at the new bridge we're building. They won't be able to do that because the money can't be spent because of all, to your original point, all the rules and regulations in place

that they wouldn't clear out so we could actually upgrade the infrastructure. That's exactly right. And look, California is the worst. I mean, I have the worst roads in the country, one of the most dangerous highways. And, you know, part of that is because in California, we even take the, you know, our laws are even more stringent, right? So if you would, you know, we shouldn't even the whole idea originally to do this infrastructure nationwide, like, hey, okay, we need some major airports. We need a highway system, interstate highway system, and we need some ports. Everybody gets that. It's kind of global. There is a little bit of a federal nexus. But this is long past the idea that we're going to throw what's probably equivalent of $400 billion, which if you did that equation, roughly my district should get a billion dollars, right? Right. And, but I won't, that money will go up in flames. Like it won't be there. Like a billion dollars would redo the major highway through my district, um, fix a lot of them. And it would do almost everything that we would need done to bring us, you know, back to where we need to be. But I won't see that money. My district won't see that money. We didn't see the

money on the last infrastructure bill that we, that we passed in this Congress years ago. So something's clearly wrong. The idea that we continue to throw money at this stuff, and I think, Sean, you hit the nail on the head, is there's so many rules and regulations in place. We're burning up money on consultants and engineers and permit process that there's like a whole cottage economy out there because it just really makes no sense that they'd have to spend this much money. And we continue to spend money. It's not like that doesn't include all the gas tax and everything else. Where the hell is this money going? Why do I have the worst roads in the country? In California, where we pay essentially the highest price of gas outside of, I think, Hawaii? Which would mean you should have great roads because the gas tax should go back into infrastructure.

I should have. And look, this is a California that for the first time in California's history, we lost population last year because people are moving to red states where they can live in freedom. So, I mean, there should be plenty of them. And there's just fewer people on the road. Like, what the hell's going on here? Why are the roads so bad in California? People need to understand that, that there's no magic solution coming here from Washington, you know, for your local bridges. It's one of those things that's tough to explain to people because, you know, a lot of people look, they just want to drive to work.

They want to take their kid to soccer practice, right? And they're like, you know, they don't know the difference between a federal agency and a state agency. They just want their damn roads to work. So it's tough for guys like us to stand up and say, hey, you know, Washington, D.C., trying to fix your roads is not going to work. I've generally found that the bluer the state, the worse the roads.

That's my experience. I can say that. Well, listen, Devin, I want to thank you for joining us. And as I mentioned before, Rachel and I are so grateful that you have been a voice of reason. We're honored to call you a friend, actually. We truly are. And we didn't get into this, but just for our listeners, obviously, we know Devin as the guy who has run the Intel Committee. He's fought with Adam Schiff.

But most of the work he does has been on the Ways and Means Committee, which is the tax committee, which he's in line to be the next chairman there should Republicans take over the House. Kevin Brady, who is the ranking member now, is retiring. So a lot of more big things coming from Devin in the years to come. And we're grateful not just on the intelligence, but also on the economy side,

all that you do to fight for freedom and free markets and liberty in the American way. It's a difference when there's a farmer, a businessman in Washington. Well, from the Central Valley. We love it. We love it. Yeah. Well, thank you. Thank you for having me. And say hi to your, what do you guys have now? 10 kids, nine kids,

unless Rachel told you something she didn't tell me. Just nine. So God, God bless you, brother. Thanks for joining us at the kitchen table and keep up the fight. Can't wait to see you again. All right. Take care. Bye-bye. Thank you for joining us for the kitchen table with the Duffies. We've enjoyed the conversation. And if you did too, let us know.

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