From the Kitchen Table: The Duffys - Rep. Kat Cammack Exposes NGOs At The Border

Episode Date: February 15, 2024

Non-governmental organizations have long been known for the important role they play in helping people when a humanitarian crisis hits. However, is it ethical for these organizations to use American taxpayers' dollars to help illegal immigrants seek refuge in America? To break down this complex topic, Sean and Rachel are joined by Congresswoman Kat Commack (R-FL), as she discusses the corruption she's found when investigating NGOs' role in the border crisis and why lawmakers who allow this to continue with a blind eye should be held accountable. Follow Sean & Rachel on Twitter: @SeanDuffyWI & @RCamposDuffy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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It's great to be back. And I am excited because we have one of my favorite members of Congress on with us today to talk about NGOs. We're going to get our thoughts on a couple other things. Mayorkas is now impeached. Republicans lost a seat in New York. So we have a lot of things we want to cover with her. So without further ado, let's bring in Kat Kamak from the great state of Florida. Kat, welcome to the kitchen table. Hey, good to see you guys. Now, Rachel, I saw your post on social the other day, a throwback to the real world. And was that the headshot that you used

when you sent, like when you applied? No, I used a big old vhs tape that was my um that no one knows what that is anymore except for you know us gen xers but no that was like taken while i was on the on the real world can i ask another question for you just it's a personal question so when you you came on the bottom line i think it was last week, and I kept saying cat-camac because that's what Rachel always says. And they'll say, no, it's cat-camac. So what is it? Okay. So I blame Stu Varney for this because he says cat-camac.

Yeah. And it's actually cat-camac. Okay. So you're right. No, I had it wrong. It's cat-camac. Camac. It's cat-camac.

Like camera and Mac truck. Camac. It's Cat Camac. It's Camer and Mac Truck. Camac. Okay. Got it. Okay. So, by the way, Cat, this was the 30-year anniversary of The Real World, which is why I posted that. I know, believe it or not, from my season, like 30 years ago today, I entered The Real World house. years ago today, I entered the real world house. I thought you were talking about a post that I posted this morning, which I posted a picture of a guy, a good looking guy with ashes on his forehead. And I said, Hey, all the single ladies, get your heads out of your phone today. Cause God's marking all the good guys. So happy hunting. I have not seen that post today, but I will definitely share it. Absolutely.

I'm looking at all the good guys. Yep. Right? It's true if you're looking. So anyway, that's what I thought you were talking about. You know, first of all, can I just get to George Santos? Because I might be the only person at Fox News who actually actually I enjoyed George Santos. I found him entertaining. But most importantly, he was a warm seat that voted pretty solidly Republican, actually. And now we just you know, the House Republicans kicked him out. And now a Democrat has that seat.

And you guys already had a slim majority. Do you think anyone's regretting kicking out George Santos today? Oh, yeah. I mean, so it's interesting because I feel like Republicans were always we're always in this self-defeating cycle. And it's not just I mean, you can you can look at George and say, you know, that was a really stupid thing when we had such a slim majority. Why would we do that? But at the same time, we do the same thing on, say, term limits. You know, I did an interview maybe two weeks ago with actually Captain America, Chris Evans. They had us do a counterpoint, a Republican and a Democrat talking about term limits. And Republicans are always in favor of term limits. The Democrats are not.

And it's always just something where we are continually pushing good people out. We're term limiting people out. It's a really interesting dynamic if you just kind of even step back a little bit. But on George specifically, I always got along with George. He and I, we were always friendly. What's funny is, you know, of all of the grand, tall tales that were told, there's one that I have shared that is actually true. He took a punch to the face for me. A guy in New York was doing some very inappropriate things. And George stepped in and got punched in the face as a result. And people are like, no way that happened.

I'm like, oh, yes, it happened. So that was one story that I always share with people that, you know, I think deep down, George is a good guy. Deep down, George is Captain America. I think he's a good guy. You know, he certainly has had his share of issues and he's going to have to account for it. a good guy. You know, he certainly has had his share of issues and he's going to have to account for it. But I mean, it was really silly for us to do what we did when we have so many challenges within our conference, so many conflicting personalities and priorities. So I think now people are realizing what's at stake and how quickly we are losing the ability to govern.

And Sean, you know this also all too well. It's really easy to be in the minority and just throw bombs all day and talk about being, you know, no, no, no, we're fighting, fighting, fighting. It is a completely different dynamic to be in the majority and have that responsibility and the criticism that comes with it of leading. It is very tough. So the power of the majority, if used well, truly can keep an administration that's out of control in check. But you need the votes to keep them in check. And losing George Santos was one of those very important votes. And again, did George Santos tell tall tales? Did he lie and mislead? Yeah, he did. But the House and the Senate are full of people

who were elected who are liars that tell tall tales. I mean, that's that. Senator Menendez had gold bars in his closet. I mean, I mean, Ilhan Omar has said, you know, things that I believe a traitor would say, you know, a Somalia first, like, what the heck? Like that, that point of view is far more damaging than anything. George Santos, she married her brother. Yeah. To get him citizenship. Yeah. She's still in Congress. And again, just to be clear, George Santos does have federal charges pending against him. But in America, that is the point. We are innocent until proven guilty. If that status changed, then I think the House should take action. But before

that, I think it was a huge mistake. And you see the problems that have come from it. Let's now talk about Mayorkas. So you guys tried, I think it was a week ago, to impeach Mayorkas, the Department of Homeland Security secretary. You failed, but you came back this week. And Steve Scalise was back. Steve has cancer. He's getting cancer treatments, but he was back in the House. And by one vote, you were able to impeach Mayorkas. What is the importance, Kat, of that impeachment? Because now there's going to be a trial in the Senate. On that impeachment, I'm sure Democrats are going to half-heartedly do that trial. But what then you get from it and for it? Because he's not going to be removed. Well, and that's the thing. I mean,

I hear from people all the time. They say, OK, great. You guys impeached him in the House. It's not going to go anywhere in the Senate. So what did you actually accomplish? Well, a couple of things. One, you guys know as well as I do, one of the biggest frustrations that Americans have is that no one is held accountable. No one is ever held accountable in Washington and there are zero consequences. Congratulations, Alejandro Mayorkas. You are now going to go down in history as the second cabinet official ever to be impeached. And I think that that's important because it shows that we're willing to take a stand on a very important issue that impacts every American. But also through the investigation and now the subsequent trial, the information that is the basis for the impeachment is now

going to be even more widespread and more thorough as to why he is now being impeached and why he is going to have to go through that trial. If the American people knew what is really happening at the border and how this administration and through the inaction of DHS have deliberately circumvented the law, ignored the law, created policies that have exacerbated this crisis, they would be outraged. People are already upset because this open border policy has turned every town and state into a border town. But now they're going to see firsthand through the data, through all of the communiques, all the different ways that Alejandro Mayorkas has not only lied to Congress and by extension, the American people, but he has been willful in doing the opposite of

his job. So that's why it's important. One, again, for showing the American people that there are consequences for actions and inaction in Washington. But there's also much more that needs to be shared and brought to light. You know, we're going to go on that, which is important. So by impeach Mayorkas, I think it also shows the Senate and the president how serious House Republicans take the open southern border. And as we've all watched, the Senate negotiated with the White House a border deal, which was not a border security deal. It was a migration deal. And it failed in the Senate because a lot of House Republicans and a lot of conservatives. It was a war bill also. Well, it was. So this was attached to funding for Ukraine and Israel as well. But it didn't

do anything to secure the border. Well, now what the Senate has done is they've taken out any border provisions and just are flatly sending money to Ukraine and Israel. It's passed the Senate with help of Republican voters. But I think the message is now clear. That's not going anywhere in the House. We actually want true border security if we're going to send money to secure other people's borders. And I think what you've done with Mayorkas this week is important in underlining, underscoring that message to anyone who thinks the House Republicans are going to move or go soft on the American border.

You know, Kat, I also think that there is a huge national security risk at our border. I also think that there is a huge national security risk at our border. You and I have talked about the record numbers of Chinese, the record number of known terrorists that we've caught, the record number of criminal cartel members who are coming across the border, the fentanyl. I mean, all of this stuff is criminal. And some of it is literally a national security risk. And I think it's important for Republicans to be on record to say we didn't stand for this because you can be sure, Kat, that if there is a terrorist attack tomorrow, they're going to find some way, the media and the Democrats, to blame the Republicans for this. And you guys are on record saying, no, the person responsible for this is HHS, is the secretary and also his boss, Joe Biden. The other thing that's coming out of HHS, and I called you the other day, we were texting together. I have been obsessed with the NGO angle on this. I have seen just this past week, your colleague, Tom Tiffany from Wisconsin, This past week, your colleague, Tom Tiffany from Wisconsin, trying to get into a place called Casa Alitas, which is one of these NGO detention centers. And it's like you would think it was a nuclear facility. Like you can't get into it. Not even a member of Congress was allowed into it.

And billions of dollars are going to these NGOs. Some of them are the Catholic Relief Services, the churches, Lutheran services. But money is coming from everywhere, from the UN, which we fund primarily. The Red Cross, which I'm sure some way we fund it. It's coming through the Justice Department, HHS. What's the other department, Kat, that's funding these NGOs? There was a third one. HHS. HHS. What's the other department, Kat, that's funding these NGOs? There was a third one. HHS. HHS, DHS. I mean, it's coming from everywhere.

So you guys are impeaching Mayorkas for, you know, not doing his job of securing the border. But in reality, aren't the American taxpayers funding this all the way down in South America and Central America, all the way up to the United States? Yeah. So, Sean, you're 100% right. Rachel, you're 100% right in talking about the fact that the impeachment is now proving how serious we are. And to your point, the so-called border package that the Senate put over, it was not a border security package. The fact that Senator Chris Murphy did a tweet thread that basically outlined everything but border security. He even said in there, this does not secure the border. He just said, this creates more visas. It creates a pathway to citizenship for Afghan parolees. It increases processing capability to move people further inland. Like it was just, it's a bunch of nonsense.

It's a bunch of BS, if I'm being honest. And I was so angry that people were calling it a border security package because really what Biden and company wanted to do was to put together a package that they knew would never be accepted by Republicans, because it wasn't truly border security, didn't include one element of HR2, the Republican border security package that we passed last year. And they wanted to be able to change the narrative to say, Republicans didn't support our border security package. They're not serious about it. That's what they're hoping. And that's what they're trying to craft that narrative. But to your point, Sean, about how we're very serious about it, let me tell you how unserious the White

House is. We have had Speaker Johnson now for months demanding a meeting with the President. The Speaker of the House has been denied a meeting with the President of the United States. They will only allow Speaker Johnson to meet with Biden so long as the room is packed with staff and Senator Schumer is present. When the Speaker of the House cannot communicate with the President of the United States, that tells you that there is problems in the White House, that they are terrified. And if they're not willing to play ball, which we know they aren't, because it will fly in the face of what they're trying to do, I think that we've got a huge, huge opportunity to exploit the fact that he is unwilling to come to the table,

that it is all about just pushing their agenda, not actually solving anything. And Rachel, to your point about the NGOs, you and I have talked about this, like you said, if people knew how little accountability, how little oversight is going into the taxpayer monies being funneled into these NGOs, and then what happens to these people afterwards, there would be outrage. The fact that people are not screaming left, right, and center about the 85,000 missing children that Health and Human Services has lost track of is absurd. We have, of course, those children that no one can account for that came in as unaccompanied minors. They had phone numbers, you know, written on their hands or arms or pinned to their clothes. And those people that

answered that phone number, they're not vetted, that many of them are illegal themselves. And many of those children end up in trafficking operations, whether it is sex trafficking or labor trafficking. And there's been some investigative reporting that's proved this. And again, no accountability from Secretary Becerra from HHS. One of the big things that I stumbled across a couple of years ago, which has not been rectified to this point, was FEMA has a program that is an emergency temporary shelter program for veterans and single parents. They raided that fund, $130 million, and used it to give to Catholic charities to buy plane tickets and bus tickets for illegals. That's so shameful.

They used money for veterans, homeless veterans and single parents in crisis and gave it to Catholic charities. I mean, it just blows your mind. Again, and it goes, all of this is a conversation that leads to the conclusion that this no doubt is intentional. 100%. And in the not border bill, but the migration bill that failed in the Senate was negotiated by James Lankford. He was a former House member, a friend of mine. James is a really smart, conservative guy. But he negotiated a garbage deal.

In the deal, there was, again, it didn't pass, but they had $2.3 billion allocated for NGOs. Do we know how much they were getting before that? but they had $2.3 billion allocated for NGOs. Well, to Rachel's point- Do we know how much they were getting before that? Well, I think they're taking money from all kinds of different funds and funneling it to NGOs. But the footage that's come out from Central and South America,

it's the NGOs who are facilitating the transfer of people when they land in South America or Central America, facilitating their journey through these countries with maps, with food, with supplies to get them to our southern borders. So in essence, the American taxpayer has funded their arrival at our border. Joe Biden has opened the border. They've come into the country and then they go to American cities. And in those cities, they're provided food, housing, shelter, laundry services. And the question is begged, what does that actually do for America? But also, I would hope that good Republicans, James Lankford, that Mitch McConnell

would actually look at this and go, I'm sorry, Joe Biden, this is garbage. This does nothing to secure the border. We can do just one thing. Let's just remain in Mexico. No one can come into the country. We're going to secure the border. You can't come into this country and claim asylum unless you do it from a country that you're safe in, which would be Mexico or Canada. That in and of itself would stem the flow of all these people coming to our border thinking they're just going to walk across, get in and be given a whole bunch of freebies, which is what's happening right now. You would stop it. That wasn't part of the deal. So I wonder what's wrong with Republican senators that they would that they would negotiate such a crap deal and then try to sell it to the American people as this is a great border bill? Well, that's the million dollar question.

You know, we know what is happening in not just Mexico, but throughout Central and South America. And Rachel, you and I have talked about this, the practice of recycling. It's where the cartels, they literally buy or borrow children that are age six or under, They literally buy or borrow children that are age six or under, and they make them pair up with a single adult, typically a male who has a record who would not be allowed into the country under any other circumstances. And they pair them up as though that is the person, that child's parent. And because they, again, I don't know how this happened. They do not do DNA testing at the processing facilities. They say they will, but they don't. And for the ones that actually do get DNA tested,

they don't have the funds because they cut the funding to actually process the DNA test. So you just have to have some sort of alarm of some sort. Like a kid has to say, I'm scared, and then they'll actually separate them. But nine times out of 10, they've threatened the kid. They've threatened the family of the child. And that child is used, recycled to bring those adults back and forth. And that kid makes the journey dozens of times. I've called border patrol agents who have seen the same child over and over and over again. I've been there at three o'clock in the morning when a little girl who was two years old, she was visibly frightened of the man holding her.

And it was found out within 24 hours that the man admitted not being her father because they threatened him with a DNA test, the DNA test of which they did not have, but he admitted. So that's a real problem. But I think to the NGO side, you are seeing a situation where instead of trying to work themselves out of a job, which you would always hope that these well-intentioned organizations, their mission should be, we want to work ourselves out of a job. over the years where it has become a mission creep into how can we expand our organization? How can we further the mission? And instead of fixing a problem, they help perpetuate one. And Rachel, the thing that is so frustrating to me is I go on my phone probably once a day and look up specifically on Facebook, Instagram, little pages and marketplace ads, anything like Cruzando la Frontera, you know, looking up little things and you will find pages tied to these NGOs that are soliciting their services of $9,300. We'll get you to San Antonio, Texas. We will make sure that you get safe passage across.

We'll get you to Miami, Florida. And it is pages that are affiliated with these NGOs. And you put a red flag on them and you say, this is a human trafficking post. And the social media companies don't do anything about it. We'll be back with much more after this. Some things require a lot of work to grow, like plants, hair, babies, or your savings. But when you run a business, you already have enough on your plate. Scotiabank's right-size savings for business account can help you grow your savings with ease.

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they know that this open border policy is facilitating the greatest flow of child, sex and human trafficking we've ever seen in the Western Hemisphere, that our border is the most dangerous border in the world right now. More people die coming to this border than anywhere else. They know that sex trafficking is happening and they're not the whistleblowers on it. They're hiding it. The whistleblowers are coming from those groups or other groups from the Border Patrol saying, but these Christian organizations that are making hand over fist are not the whistleblowers. It is pure evil. I am a Catholic and I am so embarrassed and ashamed of what our church is doing, that they have let themselves get addicted to this government money, which is what they are. They are addicted. As you said, they're not

interested in ending their job. This has become mission creep. And it is hurting children. And nobody seems to give a damn. And I don't understand with all the money that is going out there that we don't have money for a DNA test. To me, that is like the most basic thing you can do. So Kat, this was even going on when I was in Congress. We went to the southern border and this conversation on DNA tests because the children were being used as mules going back and forth to bring bad people in. The Border Patrol, you know, back in 2018, we're still saying, hey, listen, a DNA test could resolve it. And the answer that the Border Patrol was telling me they were getting at the time was, we can't do that because we're concerned about privacy of these children. And

we're all like, the privacy, we're here, the DNA test can protect the children. But then after that, they said, well, if they're not going to do a DNA test, let's actually just fingerprint the kids. So when they come across, we'll know if they've come across seven times with their dad, or 20 times with their dad and their mom, we go like, hey, listen, this kid's being used to shepherd people in. They're not even doing fingerprint tests on the kids. And again, these are simple things that protect children. If you're not going to protect the border, Joe Biden, protect the kids that are being used to traffic people across the border,

and he won't even do that. Well, speaking of protecting, why, I mean, Kat, you're a member of Congress. You fund, whether you like it or not, you are. Yeah, but Kat, this is your fault. You fund this stuff. You have the power of the purse in the house. You guys are funding it, and they don't let you go inside because of the kids' privacy. Members of Congress who are representing the people funding this stuff need to be able to go inside.

How can it be that they can stop you from going inside? See, that's where I don't understand. And I look back to when the baby formula crisis really exploded. And a lot of it originated from getting text messages from some border patrol agents. I've been down there nine times and really have gotten to know a lot of these guys and gals. And I had one come in from a guy who is a new grandparent. And he said, Kat, I think it's wild that I am here in the Donna processing facility, unloading pallets of baby formula. Meanwhile, I go down the road, literally a mile and three quarters to the target,

and I cannot find baby formula for my grandson. And I said, and I said, I said, give me some photos. And so we publish it. Biden called me a liar, literally from the White House. Both he and Psaki, they called me a liar and said that there was no crisis. There was no nothing. And so we went down there and we exposed it. And I'll never forget when I went down there. the agent said, we're not allowed to let you in. And their eyes got really wide. And they said, but we can't stop you if you just walk in. And it was like a wink, wink, nod, nod, please expose this. But we've got orders from headquarters to just let you know that you can't be let in, but we can't stop you if you just walk past us. And I think members of Congress, We can't stop you if you just walk past us. And I think members of Congress, we need to really, I would use a country term, but it might not be appropriate. We need to grow something.

Yeah, I know. Yeah. And really, sorry, I'm trying to think of a way to say that. Listen, Kat, I know exactly what you're saying, Cause when I saw the footage and, and by the way, I'm not saying that Tom Tiffany doesn't have any, I'm not saying that, but I'm saying when I saw the footage and he, cause he's a polite, listen, there is such thing as Wisconsin. Nice. It is a real, it is a real thing. And so he was trying to be tough,

but he's a nice Wisconsin guy. And he's like, listen, we pay for this. By the way, for those who are listening, you can go online, go to Tom Tiffany's Twitter handle and you can see it. And he's saying, we're going to come back here because we have a right to be here. And I can't help it. But I was thinking to myself, man, this Latino woman, if I if I had a pin, if I had a congressional pin. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. I would walk right through there and go, you arrest me with these cameras here.

You arrest me for representing the people and trying to see what's going on in here. Because the children that are in there would benefit from real eyes being on this operation. Because I don't think anyone's minding this, knows what's going on in there. So do you, do other members, because I don't think anyone's minding this, knows what's going on in there. So do you, do other members, because I know that Tom Tiffany talked about potentially having a hearing down there, but that still doesn't get you inside. And if you have a hearing,

they're going to clean up whatever's bad inside the place. How, why aren't members just going down there and getting in? I think that again,, there's there we've always been rule followers. There's something it's kind of like us. We were talking earlier about, you know, term limits. And, you know, we always just seem to like we always kind of set ourselves up for failure in some ways where we play by a different set of rules than the other side. And the other side, when it came to the Trump administration and the ICE facilities, they made no bones about it. They were in, they walked past guards, they went right into facilities. And it's kind of like what we do with the VA. We walk into a VA facility, we don't announce ourselves, we go in

because we want to see what's going on. We should be doing the exact same thing here. And we have every right to be there as representatives of our constituents and people around the country. If we don't start asserting our right as members and to your point, Sean, asserting our power of the purse, all will be lost because we're getting run over and steamrolled time and time again. We've got to get a backbone and we've got to really push and we can no longer just be nice. We have to be assertive on this. We have to stop being nice and start getting real. Yeah, that was the real world tagline. So listen, I get it. We want to follow rules. We want to be respectful. And again, that I'd like to bash Republicans for not being more aggressive.

I'm not going to because I like that they're nice people. But and it's not in our nature to try to get arrested. But just recall AOC during the abortion protest. Yeah. Not only did she not get arrested, they're walking away. She faked it. She put her hands behind her back. But she wore it as a sign of a badge of courage and honor. That's right. And we don't do that. And by the way, I don't think the constituents of Republicans would like me to another point, Kat. And again, we have problems at the border. And it takes money for Joe Biden to implement his policies at the southern border. And you all have the power of the purse. And it even brings me to this Congress continues to allow funding for the FBI and the CIA and the NSA. And a lot of times we'll say they do wonderful work that keeps America safe. That's

true. But they also do horrible work where they're using the power and the money that's been given to them to target Republicans, conservatives, Donald Trump, Donald Trump allies, you know, people who are viewed as MAGA extremists or parents who, you know, go to a school board meeting to say, I don't want my kids to learn about transgenderism in this school, or they're people who pray outside of a pro-life facility. And you would think that with the power of the purse comes power to actually stop these behaviors. And the Republican Congress can't get its act together to figure out how you stop that money. You're going to actually build them, not you, the Congress is going to build them a massive new billion dollar new facility for the FBI as the FBI is lying and targeting conservatives.

Spying, basically acting like a secret police. This makes no sense to me. And again, and I ask you that question because I know you're one who fights this, but you also are in the Republican conference. And I ask you that question because I know you're one who fights this, but you also are in the Republican conference. And I ask you, what the hell is going on inside that you're not saying we have to prioritize what's important. The board is important, but also the deep state targeting Republicans using government to go after their own citizens, which by the way, our founders had an idea that we needed to separate and have checks and balances in government so it didn't get too powerful. And we wanted the people to be the check and balance on government. Now the government is

a check and balance on all of us actually attacking us. What's happening that we're not actually trying to cut that funding for the FBI and the DOJ? Yeah, so they just do the basic duties that they're supposed to do. It seems like they have a lot of money to go after everybody. No. So there's so much here to hit on. I mean, one, Biden has very specific things that he could do today to secure the border if he really wanted to. Eight, eight actions that he already has the unilateral authority to do. And he has, he's chosen not to because when he says he wants border security, he just wants more money to process people faster. And so to your point, Sean, yeah, we do control the purse strings,

but we don't act like it. And you have so many competing priorities in the house. And I, dare I say, personality conflicts that seem to take the precedence of the actual work that is difficult and it is hard, but it is very necessary. And I call this era that we're living in right now, the era of entertainment. It is getting on the house floor and giving a grand speech about how hard you're fighting. And in reality, you're speaking to a C-SPAN camera in an empty chamber and you're just using it to raise money. And the difficult conversations of how do we actually navigate the challenges are not happening because people want to say they're fighting, but they're not fighting to win. It's really detrimental to our republic, to even the party politics have gotten super messy about it, but it's killing the country. And you look at March 1st, that deadline where we're going to be up again on government funding, and the conversation is non-existent about what do we do when March 1st comes? Because we leave this Friday for a week, a week and a half, and then we're going to have five days, four days to come up with an entire appropriation strategy and

pass that on the floor. Give me a break. And to your point, Sean, the FBI director himself has said publicly that it is not a matter of if, but when a terrorist attack occurs. And it is directly related to the individuals who have come across the southern border, who are unvetted, the gotaways that no one wants to talk about, that is now approaching 2 million gotaways. And we have, on record, over 1,200 individuals on the international terrorist watch list, some of which we can't account for now of where they are in the country, because some of them get hit when they're doing the basic vetting, the in the field interviews is what they call them. Any inconclusive hit means that they have to release them. And then they have to go find them. And then they find out by cross-referencing multiple international databases that, oh, this person has an affiliation with ISIS. And now we got to go find this person. I'm like, oh, my God, how is it that this is happening?

God, how is it that this is happening? And so, yeah, why in the heck are we funding an FBI that has, yes, been weaponized, that they sit in the parking lots of PTA meetings and school board meetings, taking down the license plates of concerned parents, or they target Catholics and pro-life groups saying that they could be problematic. It's absurd. And we've got to clean house. And I think what with this FISA reauthorization coming up, we have a good chance to take a stand. But my God, if we don't get serious and think about the long term impacts and consequences to national security and the republic as a whole, we're in trouble. Do you feel like everything's just on like a paralysis until people figure out whether Trump's going to win or not?

Does it just feel because it feels like there's so many. I mean, I look at all the pressing issues that you're talking about. I mean, one after another, after another. And they're not getting taken care of. And in some ways we're going backwards. Like, for example, with the George Santos seat, we're taking ourselves even, you know, giving ourselves less seats. And, you know, is it that everyone's just waiting? And do you, even if Donald Trump is elected, do you feel like, okay, with the with the new quarterback, you know, all this is going to get better? I mean, I'm kind of just trying to figure out what's the mentality there? I mean, I think without question, people understand and recognize that when Donald Trump is president again,

things will be better. I mean, that goes without saying. But, you know, I had a conversation with someone here recently and they said, you know, getting the White House back is all that matters. And I said, well, yes, it's very important. However, I said, if we don't have a Senate that is in our control and we don't keep and expand the majority in the House, those four years will be done via executive order. And what happens after those four years? It will swing back the other direction if we don't win and nothing will be codified. And so if we're really serious about fixing the problems that have plagued us for so long, border, spending, crime, healthcare, things that people are really, really concerned about around the kitchen table, if we're not willing to work in a unified manner across Congress and the White House, then it will all be for naught. We can't rely solely on executive orders. And dare I say, the administrative state,

which has gotten out of control, it needs to be reined in. I don't care if it's a Republican or a Democrat. I wanna make sure that Congress and the people's house has a really strong voice and role in making sure that these regulations and things that are coming out of the administrative state aren't negatively impacting our everyday life and industries. You know, Kat, the FBI, the DOJ, the deep state took action falsely against Donald Trump,

and they fanned the flames of a story that then helped them get to impeachments. And they did that with the understanding that they could be exposed. And if exposed, they knew there could be consequences for their actions and they did it anyway. Well, they have been exposed and there haven't been any consequences. Their funding has not been cut. They've actually been given more money. And so I wonder what happens now? They would go that far when they thought there could be consequences for their action. How far will they go when they now realize there's no consequences? Republicans will never stand up to us, will never defund us, will never push back against us. We will never be charged, prosecuted,

socially demonized. I wonder what the next phase of this looks like. It doesn't get better. It gets worse because Republicans that have control of the House can't hold them to account. Yeah. A couple of things on that. You're 100 percent right. Goes back to the very first thing we were talking about, which is impeaching Alejandro Mayorkas is important on a number of different levels, but showing the American people that we are willing to hold people accountable and there are consequences for your actions that needed to be done. The second part of that is I think sometimes we conflate the rank and file agents that do good work with the

political appointees. And it's really the political appointees and headquarters where the lion's share of the rot is. Because if you look around the country where field offices were given directives to target parents and do things, and I serve on the weaponization subcommittee, I've had those FBI agents, those whistleblowers come forward. And these are good men and women who were just trying to do a job. And when they push back against a political directive that was given to them from HQ, they were retaliated against, they lost their jobs. They were suspended, fired, etc. I think we have to really take a look at the political appointees and the political leadership that has created so many of these problems and that have become so insular from any sort of

accountability. They are accountable to no one. They can do virtually anything, like you said, with no consequences. That is where we need to start targeting our ire towards the withholding of funding. In fact, we have legislation that we've put together and it's called the Fencing Act, where we will fence money. Because one of the things is you're going to have these fights over the dollars, but we can fence money a lot easier than going through an appropriations process. And so by taking money specifically away from different programs and different departments, that's one way we can hold them accountable. Now, getting that actually passed is going to be a challenge, but it needs to happen because Congress needs to have that accountability and oversight.

And if they're not working with us, if they're not giving us answers, if they're not complying, then that's a that's a way we can have an immediate impact on holding these overreaching elements of the FBI and DOJ and other agencies accountable. We'll have more of this conversation after this. I know you're a busy woman, so I'm going to ask you just one last question. And I'm going to go back to NGOs because I'm obsessed with them. I think that they have to be exposed. I know you're talking about some of the funding and how we can work on defunding that. I think killing that bill that would have given billions of dollars more to them. What else can the everyday citizen do or ask their congressman or senator to do to expose this? Tell me anything you want to tell me about NGOs, because I know when you talked, you said there's horror stories here.

Oh, I mean, there is. I mean, I know, Rachel, you've heard me tell the story of the first time I went to the border and I went into the unaccompanied children's part of the processing facility at the Donna Processing Facility in McAllen, Texas. And there was a nine year old little girl who couldn't even tell me her name. You know, I kept asking her, you know, comente llamas, comente llamas. And, you know, I was telling her my name. I was having a conversation. It was very one-sided. And I found out, of course, that she's crying and, you know, struggling to give me just her name. The agent leans over to me and says she can't speak because her vocal cords gave out. She was being gang raped and she was screaming so loud that her vocal cords gave out. And this is a nine-year-old little girl. She was there on my second return trip.

And this is just a little girl who you can just see it in her. They have broken her spirit and she's just a mess. And that kind of stuff stays with you forever. And so people need to understand that when they think they're being compassionate by having an open border policy, they're actually contributing to awful, horrible things that are happening to children and to women that make you stay up at night, that make your stomach turn. And it is truly some of the worst things. It is truly some of the worst things. What people need to understand, and this is something I really think needs to be communicated, is we the people have more power than we think. And Sean, you can speak to this being a former member. When you walk in your office and every phone line in your office is ringing and you have everyone from your interns to your staff assistant

to your chief of staff on a phone and they won't stop ringing, that stops members. And then all of a sudden you say, what's going on? You can ignore emails, but when every line in your office is ringing off the hook and people are saying, I am calling from this zip code. I want a response. I want the member to know this, and this is my position. And oh, by the way, I want a response. That puts members on notice. And I will say that when a couple of hundred of phone calls come in, members get scared. And I've had Democrats come to me on the House floor say, I saw that Facebook video you put out and I had 800 calls come in. And thank you, by the way, because I had to be able, I was able to tell Nancy that I wasn't able to support

this bill. Like they'll whisper that like it's a big secret, but that's the power that people have when they really blow up the Capitol switchboard and they are putting pressure on district offices and the DC office, that scares members because then they're thinking, oh my gosh, people are paying attention. And that little bit of effort, that five minutes that it takes to call is more meaningful than anything. And so we, the people have more power than we realize. We just need to utilize it. And I think one great way- I love that story. realize, we just need to utilize it. And I think one great way is having folks call their member and say, you know, no funding for anything until we get border security. That has to be the message

and the priority for the next couple of weeks. I love that. I love that you're telling that. I know it's true because I saw Sean live through that. It's very true. And it's kind of simple. It's so simple, it almost seems impossible. But it's true. And I think you're right. I think a call is even better than an email. But just to be clear, these were organized efforts, Kat, where someone on Facebook organized people to go call your member of Congress. And all of a sudden, it was a deluge of calls coming in. And listen, everything stops in your office. It's pretty crazy. I don't know about you, but once in a while, if I wasn't on the floor at a hearing, I'd come back and I'd start answering phone calls myself. And I wouldn't say it was Sean. I'd go, this is John. And I'd

start answering their questions. I'd start giving these liberals who were calling my office pushback and arguing with them. Well, that's not true. And they're like, you're a pretty good staff. I'm like, true. And they're like, you're a pretty good staffer. I'm like, thank you. Please let the congressman tell them how good John was on the phone. Listen, Kat, we appreciate you joining us. We appreciate all that you do. You're one of the true fighters, one of the great messengers of the house. If you're going to be successful in this, you got to be able to talk about what you're doing and sell people on what you're doing. And you do a fantastic job of that on behalf of the whole conference. And Rachel and I appreciate you. I really do.

And I know your constituents do as well. I love how you say it like it is. I love that you believe what you're saying. You're passionate. And I think your ability to communicate your message is invaluable to the conference. But it's just really good to know that there are good people out there like you fighting on behalf of so many people who care about these issues, especially I know, because you and I have been talking about this for years, what is happening to the children is absolutely criminal, and we are complicit in it through our money,

through these NGOs. And if you just stay in touch with us, Kat, because we want to follow what is being done to hold the NGOs accountable and at least expose them for their complicity in this evil. And that is what it is. And we appreciate you. And just thank you so much for being our friend and coming on the podcast and fighting for America. You're our Captain America.

Not George Santos. Oh, Lord. Oh, Lord. And you're hearing it now. I'm sure, Sean, that's probably triggering PTSD. Those are the vote bells. But no, I really appreciate you guys always giving me the platform to talk about this issue, which, of course, is near and dear to my heart. And yeah, I think we've got to just keep talking about it and putting it out there because life gets busy. People have families and jobs and things. And this is one issue that is going to impact us in ways that we can't even fully understand right now. So I'm just really grateful that you guys are continuing to shine a light on it. Thank you so much. And always-

Grab that card, go to the floor and vote your little heart out, Kat. Actually, if you storm a child detention center, bring me with you because I want to see what's going on in there. Oh, you know. You know I will absolutely 100% bring you with me. We had a blast on that oil rig. I should probably not say blast and oil rig in the same sentence. No. I'll be prepared for the bail money when you're all arrested.

Appreciate that, Kat. I will be prouder than AOC if I'm arrested trying to get into a child protection, a child center like that. Yeah, we did have fun on that oil rig. I went to see an oil rig with Fox and Friends, and Kat was there. And, boy, that was an eye an eye opener and a reminder of American energy and what we could do when we want to have our own energy sources instead of going to Venezuela and Iran. Kat, you're always on it. I appreciate it. Thank you, Kat. We appreciate you guys.

All right. Happy Valentine's Day. Oh, yes. Happy Valentine's Day. We'll see y'all. Listen, a really great conversation with Kat. I appreciate her taking the time to sit down and lay this out. She's very well informed on what's happening, as you mentioned, on NGOs and the border. But really, I think it's important when we talked about what's happening inside the Republican conference and why they can't do more. It's really confusing for the average American. I actually was in those conferences. I served in the House.

And now that I'm out, I'm like, what is wrong with these people? But she said it's a personality thing. What are those personalities? So what happens is you get some people who come from very moderate districts and they're like, oh, I don't know that I can cut funding for the FBI because my Democrats might get angry at that. They want those FBI agents to target Republicans, right? And then you have some who say they're on the right and they want to go like, I'm more conservative than anybody else. And you didn't cut enough from the FBI or from the CIA or you didn't cut enough on the border. You didn't do enough on the border. Well, for these people, you'll never have enough because they want to run against the party. They want to run against the ideas. That's their jam.

And so those personalities, as opposed to saying, we have an American problem. We are the only ones who can find a solution to this problem to make our country work. How do you break through this, though? Because this is always going to happen, right? If you have a big conference, you have a majority, you're going to have moderates, you're going to have conservatives. That's what a conference is if you're a majority. And so how do you break through? Is it that Speaker Johnson isn't a strong enough leader to bring them together on this?

I'm not trying to point him out, but I'm just saying, is this a leadership problem? Is it that there are a couple guys in the moderate camp who are super powerful? What's going on? So two things have to happen. One, instead of reserving some of those phone calls for Democrats lighting their lines up, you may need people to actually call people who are saying no to good pieces of legislation that are going to advance the ball and hold the administrative state accountable. That's number one. So those are outside groups, outside conservative groups that need to organize. For constituents to call. Yes. That's number one. But number two, it's very simple. You need a bigger majority. It's really hard to make sure you can navigate every personality. But if you

have a 30, 40 seat majority, you can have 10 people who are always no because it's never conservative enough. And you can have 10 who are like, I'm just too afraid. I can't vote for this. And then you can still pass the bill. So you have to win. Winning makes this a lot easier. That's actually the answer, actually. Win more seats.

Yeah. You have to have a wider majority, which is, again, going back to George Santos. I know I feel like I'm George Santos' lawyer. I do think he's fabulous in some ways. But he was a very reliable vote, in many ways, much more reliable than some of the other members of the New York delegation. And I still don't understand why they did that. And even like congressman, who's the congressman from South Florida? What is his name?

Mario Dizbler? No. No, not Mario. Juan Siscamani from Texas? No, no, in Florida. The fireman. Why can't I remember his name? God.

I don't know. Hold on just a second. I mean, there were people in other states, not just New York, who found it just, you know, so horrible to have. George Santos. Yeah, I just I don't understand why they didn't care more about the majority than they cared about, you know, that it might make them look bad. Because it doesn't seem like the Democrats care that Ilhan Omar makes them look bad. They don't. And here's another problem.

We were talking about the House. Cat is in the House. But the real problem is in the Senate, that you have a cadre of Republican senators, again, a little over a year ago, before Republicans took control of the House, these senators joined, Republican senators joined with Democrat senators, Mitch McConnell and Chuck Schumer, joined together to pass a massive funding bill before Kevin McCarthy and Republicans took control of the House. It's those same, many of them are the same members in the Senate who shepherded and voted for. Carlos Jimenez. Oh, my God. I can't believe I couldn't.

His name just wasn't coming to my mind. I wanted to say Gomez, but it was Jimenez. Oh, my God. I can't believe I couldn't. His name just wasn't coming to my mind. I wanted to say Gomez, but it was Jimenez. So, but again, these senators voted to pass a funding bill for Ukraine, for Israel, Taiwan, $95 billion. And there's no legislation on the border. And there's no legislation on the border. This has taken so long because they had originally said, we want to have a border security bill before we send any money to secure anyone else's border. They completely caved on that. They've lost all their leverage in the Senate. And they're now going to just try to pressure Republicans to pass this massive bill with no border security. So it begs the question, what's happening in conservative states that you're electing such moderate, non-fighting senators? Huge problem. That's where the real issue is at. Yeah, but Sean, again, with the NGOs, can I just say this? Just Lutheran services, Lutheran Immigration and Refugee Services alone, that's just one, they received more than, in 2021, they received more than $93.1 million, plus an additional $23 million

from other contributions. I mean, these are obscene amounts of money. It's outrageous. It's outrageous. And then to hear that they're diverting and raiding funds that were meant for homeless veterans so they could put illegals onto airplanes. I mean, it's just so grotesque. It's hard to believe. They wrap their selves in their faith and they do evil. Yeah, this is not this is this is evil. All right. Listen, we appreciate it. We want to thank you all for joining us at the Kitchen Table for this podcast. You can always rate, review, subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.

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