From the Kitchen Table: The Duffys - Sacrilege At St. Patrick's, Spying On Kids & Influencers Burning Out

Episode Date: February 22, 2024

Sean & Rachel examine a variety of topics, from a funeral held at the sacred St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York City that left Catholics hurt and outraged to how "media literacy" programs funded by the Department of Homeland Security could be instructing teachers to teach your kids controversial values instead of common core. Plus, they discuss why the life of an influencer may not be all it’s cracked up to be. Follow Sean & Rachel on Twitter: @SeanDuffyWI & @RCamposDuffy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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It's great to be back, Sean. We're going to talk about a teacher who says that DHS, the Department of Homeland Security, is embedding themselves through funding and programs under the guise of media literacy to actually empower teachers to spy on students for political thought crimes, I guess. Also to undermine Donald Trump, it's a completely political agenda with federal taxpayer money. So we're going to discuss that. That's a bombshell story. We're also going to talk about, you can cut this out after, we're also going to talk about my new favorite TikTok trend, which is young people saying, I'm not going to be an influencer anymore.

They're basically saying, this is not the way to live. And we're going to talk about this one girl, very popular influencer, made a video saying, that's it. I'm going to live my life. We're going to unpack that. But before that, we're going to talk about a big controversial story that happened last week in New York City that has people furious. And that is the fact that a HIV activist, she's a transgender, also a sex worker. Her name is... She's been addicted to drugs. He's been addicted to drugs. He was serving sentences in Rikers Island.

Gentilly is the name that he goes by. Cecilia Gentilly. That's right. And Cecilia died and somehow her friends and family got permission to do... Well, they asked for a funeral mass. They were denied a full mass, but allowed to do a funeral service inside of St. Patrick's Cathedral, America's Cathedral. And all mayhem unleashed there. It was sacrilegious.

leash there. It was sacrilegious. They were just completely desecrating the whole sanctity of the space that they were in. First of all, they had someone's, they had mass cards, right? When you came in, if people don't know, if you're not Catholic, you know, in remembrance of your loved one who died, you get a mass card. It usually has a saint, probably a favorite saint or a picture of Jesus or the Virgin Mary that was special to the family or to that person who died. They usually have a scripture quote. Well, they had this woman, this man, but this trans activist sex worker had her picture with a halo around it. her picture with a halo around it. So right from the get-go, it was understood because you were getting past that this was getting passed out to you as you walked into the church. It's pretty understood that this was not going to be a traditional service. Yeah. So what's so troubling

is that for St. Patrick's let this happen. I want to take a moment and say, you could be transgender, you could be gay, you could be a criminal, you could have AIDS. The one thing that we all are in the Catholic Church and as Christians is sinners. Yeah. lived by the teachings of the church, you're welcome. He would have been able to have a mass. But that's not what this is. This was a celebration of the debauchery of the lifestyle. And again, we don't eulogize in the Catholic Church, but they were eulogizing

who they called Saint Cecilia. They were calling her a saint of all the whores. From the pulpit at St. Patrick's Cathedral. I think we have a little clip of it. Should we play a clip? Yeah, let's watch. Esta puta, esta gran puta, la Santa Cecilia, la madre de todas las putas, hoy te decimos hasta pronto. todas las putas. Hoy te decimos hasta pronto. Danos fuerza y coraje para continuar tu legado,

hacer frente a los retos, seguir firmes por los que sabemos que merecemos amor, igualdad y los mismos derechos y una vida digna. This whore. This great whore. Saint Cecilia. Mother of all whores. So that this was allowed to happen at St. Patrick's, it's not easy to get a Mass at St. Patrick's. Someone with knowledge, someone with power, had to say yes to this Mass, knowing full well what it was. Now,

St. Patrick's came out and they said, the cathedral only knew that family and friends were requesting a funeral Mass for a Catholic and had no idea our welcome and prayers would be degraded in such a sacrilegious and deceptive way, is what they've said. Nobody believes that, Sean. Nobody believes this was an inside job. Now, it's possible that Cardinal Dolan himself did not know, but people are also upset at him. He was trending yesterday, by the way, on Twitter. Cardinal Dolan was trending on Twitter. And the reason is a lot. So so after this happened, they put this statement out. And then what generally happens, because Catholic churches have been desecrated before. And by the way, in the 80s, St. Patrick's endured a lot by gay activists and a group called ACT UP would go into St. Patrick's and do all kinds of

stuff. And generally when a church space is desecrated in some way or something sacrilegious happens, what Catholics will do is have a mass of reparation. So they'll have a mass sort of to repair what was destroyed in that act. And so St. Patrick's put out the statement and said, we're having a reparations mass. But they had this private reparations mass. Not a public one. And not a public one. And a lot of Catholics were angry about it because a lot of Catholics said,

hey, we would have wanted to go to the reparation mass. We were not told about it. We were not invited to be part of it. And frankly, Cardinal Dolan himself did not preside over the reparations mass. And people were really Catholics, faithful Catholics were really upset about that. And they should have been. And so a couple of points. You don't just turn over St. Patrick's Cathedral for a funeral. There are priests of the cathedral that are there. There's security, power, security, and that this was allowed to happen. And a priest didn't stand up and say, get the hell out of here. I'm sorry, this is going to get shut down. Turn the microphones off. Everybody get out. You're

not going to desecrate the space. But nobody said that. Nobody did that. And it begs the question, Rachel, that Cardinal Dolan didn't do a public mass of reparation. The question is, why? What's your friend? By the way, we know Cardinal Dolan on a personal level. We like Cardinal Dolan, but we couldn't be more angry right now about how he has handled this situation. Why wouldn't you do it? Why wouldn't you make it public? It would be a story. I think, listen, I think it would be a story in The New York Times. I think Cardinal Dolan has he's a good he's a good person. And both of us know him personally.

This is not I'm not trying to diss him in any way, but I am disappointed in him. And I do think he is a cardinal in New York City, and he has a desire to play by New York City rules, if you will. So, for example, one of the things that he did not very long ago, the Met had a Met Gala. They have the annual Met Gala. It's probably the biggest fashion event in New York City, if not, you know, in the world. I mean, everybody who's a who's who wants a ticket to that Met Gala. And they had a theme. And I think the theme was some sort of like, you know, church related theme.

And excuse me for not knowing exactly what the theme was. Let me look really quick. I can't remember, but it was a church related theme and he lent his mitre, his bishop's hat, if you will, to Rihanna. And a lot of people were like, they didn't like that. But this is another, this is to a completely different level. But I bring up that story just to say, he's trying to make nice with the city. The church is in a city. The city has a very liberal, I think, secular point of view. I don't know why he lent St. Patrick's, which, again, St. Patrick's has so much symbolism, Sean.

It is not just America's cathedral. You and I know the history a little bit of St. Patrick's Cathedral. a little bit of St. Patrick's Cathedral. And it's really dear to your heart because when St. Patrick's Cathedral was built, it was built by the pennies and the dimes and the dollars, in addition to some big donors, but the pennies, dimes, and dollars of very poor Irish workers in New York City and truly around the country. they would take up donations at Irish churches to give to the building of St. Patrick's. And there's a reason why St. Patrick's, you know, the poor Irish couldn't live in that part of Manhattan. That's a pretty tony part of Manhattan.

But they wanted their church there. They wanted their church in the heart of Manhattan to say Catholics belong, because at that time Catholics were still under a lot of sort of persecution and prejudice. As were the Irish. Yeah, and the Irish Catholics, the Irish, yes. Specifically, and so they bought this piece of land, you're right in the heart of Manhattan on Fifth Avenue, and built this amazing church. But to your point, families may go without a meal to give their change, their change to build this cathedral. And they were devout Catholics, faithful people. They are rolling in their graves that a bishop would allow this to happen. A cardinal would allow this to happen and not speak out more forcefully on this. And I think it begs the question, you can't serve two masters.

You can't serve the city as progressive values and all the while serve the church, serve Christ. Those two things can't exist. You have to pick one. And when you say, I want everyone to love me, well, at some point when you're going to come to St. Peter, he's going to ask, who did you love? Did you love the people who worshiped you in New York City because you were a progressive cardinal? Or did you love me? And did you teach my flock what I actually asked you to teach them? Did you show them the light? Did you show them the way? And I think he's going to have a hard time answering that question. He's not a bold, forceful leader. And I like him as a person, but on the leadership front, he has completely failed

on this. One, he let it happen. And two, he wasn't forceful in his anger that it happened in his church. Yeah. You know, I am willing to accept the possibility that it was a mistake, that it happened behind his back, that there could have been bad actors. This is definitely an inside job. Like, make no mistake. This didn't just happen. Somebody on the inside allowed to have, in fact, Father Martin, who's a Marxist priest, leftist, all completely... There were warning signs. There were warning signs that this was going to happen. If it's possible that Cardinal Dolan was left out of that conversation, it's a big church, has a lot of things going on, a lot of funerals, a lot of masses, a lot of activities.

I can accept the possibility of that. It is the reaction, the lack of forcefulness in his voice. He allowed that statement that you read sean came from um another priest the next in line at the cathedral didn't come directly from him river and enrique salvo yes i've gone i've gone to many masses where um there where he's given and he seems like a really wonderful person and he gave that statement but it should have come from the cardinal who is responsible for that church. And Sean, I think you bring up such a great point when you say you can't serve two masters here. And this was actually an opportunity for Cardinal Dolan to, as the shepherd of that church, as the leader of that church,

and as the Catholic shepherd of new york city to say this church we can't control what goes on around and we're praying for all of you but this church stands um as a beacon of christian values of catholic values of catholic teaching and everything that happened in that church um was a travesty and you you're right. They should have kicked them out, but that would have been a New York Times story. I think it was not just a disrespect to the Catholics who donate, and you may see some donations drop after this and after the reaction. But I, too, think about these Irish donors, these little Catholics. With holes in their shoes. That's

right. And that church was built on their backs as well. And they deserve... The things that they stood for when they gave that money, Sean, those are eternal values, eternal principles, eternal teachings. And they still stand today. It doesn't matter that we're in 2024. So maybe just to give a little more background on why we're so angry. From the pulpit, they called Cecilia the mother of whores. They were calling for gender affirming care or gender mutilation, in other words, and especially for children from the pulpit. During the prayers of the faithful. So for those who are non-Catholic, as part of our liturgy, we have what's called the prayers of the faithful, where we, as part of the liturgy,

assign someone to read out prayers that we all together pray for as a church. And they prayed for? Gender affirming care. Mother of whores. And they also, during, they sang Ave Maria. And at one point during the singing of Ave Maria, someone yelled out Ave Cecilia. And they proclaimed her a saint. And as I said, the mass cards had her with a halo around her head. This thing was out of control. And again, you know what? It's New York City.

It's America. You can believe what you want to believe. But that is not what the Catholic Church believes. in New York City who would do that funeral mass for you or that funeral service for you in the way you want with every flag you want with everything you want but it shouldn't have been done by the Catholic Church so the next question Sean is why did they choose St. Patrick so they were also two men were kissing in the sanctuary um they um there was raucous chanting and interruptions throughout the mass so it So it was kind of a circus. Oh, absolute circus environment.

Of a mass. It's online, by the way. You can look it up on YouTube. You can watch it. And as you made a point, this Saint Cecilia, who's a man, was celebrated as a saint. And the question is,

if Cardinal Dolan didn't know, okay, well, let's take that as a point of truth. Who was fired? Because someone did know. Did he fire anybody? Was someone relieved of their duties? Or publicly reprimanded? And again, why wasn't he at the reparation? If there's an article in the New York Times, he should wear that as a badge of honor. Amen. That he's standing up, not for the New York Times, but for the Catholic community and what we all believe. So anyway, again, I like the Cardinal as a person.

He is a jovial, nice man, but completely fallen down on this. And this is not the first one. We'll leave the other ones alone. But he has continued to make decisions like this that show that he cares more about what people think about him in New York City than leading his flock. Amen. I'll just say this before we go.

They chose St. Patrick's for a reason. That's right. That was on purpose. The entire point of that funeral was's for a reason. That's right. That was on purpose. The entire point of that funeral was to make a statement. And boy, he fell for it. And then he didn't apologize or do the reparation mass to make up for it. Total bullcrap. Fail. Fail, Cardinal Daryl. We are going to calm down and come back right after this break. percent interest for the first six months before you know it your savings will grow without you even noticing oh which reminds me i need a haircut conditions apply ends december 15th rate is annual calculated daily and will vary based on account balance visit scotiabank.com slash right size

savings for full details all right welcome back to the kitchen table we're now going to go to story number two which is about the department of defense and homeland security uh giving grant money to schools um that uh as they say one thing where the money's going but a whistleblower in rhode island a conservative teacher came out and said actually the money is going to training for something completely different this is about media literacy and as the teachers go through the training courses, they soon realize it really isn't about this very sanitized phrase of media literacy. It's actually about something very, very different. It took place through the University of Rhode Island's media education lab. And it's called the program is called Courageous Rhode Island.

So this is actually part of a much bigger thing that's happening. This is a this is part of the censorship industrial complex. And so a lot of people thought the censorship in America was just that big tech guys were liberal and they were altering algorithms and and maybe even reporting stuff back to the government. But what we are learning now is that actually the censorship is starting at the government level. And things that the government can't legally constitutionally do, they are farming out to universities and to big tech. And this is unconstitutional.

out to universities and to big tech. And this is unconstitutional. You cannot use other entities, nonprofits, academia, or big tech corporations to do the censorship work that you're not allowed to do as a government. So what they do, Sean, is they take government money, they farm it out, in this case, to a university. And this university now has a government funded department to analyze media, to make sure people have media literacy. Gosh, it sounds so academic and nice, right? I want you guys to listen up. Media literacy is the new buzzword. When you hear media literacy, all of your red flags should go up. So in this case, using media literacy to go in and train teachers. So just this school alone got a $700,000 grant.

And with that grant, they got the teachers to do this teacher meeting with the Zoom class. By the way, it wasn't just a school. So roll down is small. So the college got the grant for $700,000 to then educate teachers throughout the state. So again, Courageous Rhode Island, it is supported and funded by the Department of Homeland Security.

A $700,000 grant went to the university and they're saying that it's for works to prevent rising violence and extremism in Rhode Island with authentic and respectful conversation. So they want to prevent violence. That's what they're saying. And by the way, who doesn't want to prevent violence? And who doesn't want a respectful conversation? Oh, all of us do. However, Courageous Rhode Island is hyper-focused on one specific individual. I wonder who that would be. Donald Trump. Donald J. Trump.

He is the root cause of all social media and media disinformation. He is inspiring violence. And so it's a focus on Trump. And they actually go so far as to say there's students in the classroom who are part of the outer group. They're conservatives. They're Trump supporters. And we need to bring them into the inner circle because these are potentially violent, extreme, MAGA Republicans in the making.

So this is the viewpoint of Rhode Island school system funded by the Department of Homeland Security to actually use our taxpayer money to go after Donald Trump and say he is a purveyor of misinformation? The whistleblower's name is Ramona Bessinger. She's a high school teacher in Providence, Rhode Island. A really brave woman. I want to say it is... Kudos. It is citizens like this who will, if we save the republic,

it will be because of citizens like this. She says, quote, In the breakout sessions and project sessions, some teachers complained about their students with opposing views. So she's in the training session and other teachers are going, yeah, we're not these conservative students. What the heck? She says, according to one facility, these students were part of the outer group, as you mentioned, Sean, and we need to bring them back into the inner group, specifically conservative students that may have outwardly expressed support for Trump.

These students, quote, were considered violent extremist mega Republicans. And she says that she's concerned that this program, Courageous Rhode Island, is co-opting the Say Anything Anonymous reporting system, which, of course, if you remember, Say Anything Anonymous reporting system was about getting potential terrorists or school shooters. Right. You got a hotline. You go like, I saw something. I'm concerned. You call in and go, hey, someone was buying guns and they're saying they want to kill people in school. You have the option of calling in this number and reporting it and maybe preventing a school shooting. That can be a good thing. But she's saying that may not be how it's going to be used. And why the hell is the Department of Homeland Security doing this? So here's another thing that's being done that is super concerning

to me. So there is an organization called the News English Language Arts. Again, anything that sounds innocuous like that red flag. Let me, let me say it's called news Ella, the news English language arts program. And what this, um, organization does is it basically aggregate stories that they, and, and this group is encouraging through all of these, um, uh, training programs, training programs, use this program to get current event articles out to your students. So, of course, we want our students to be informed about the news and about what's going on in the country, except that this organization, the News English Language Arts Organization, aggregates left-wing progressive news stories. So this is an indoctrination machine as well.

Information. And so what is concerning and this is, again, I'm hopeful the Congress can be smarter and better. But a Republican Congress is actually funding. Yes. Many of these programs to actually undermine conservative values. Half the country agrees with Donald Trump. They like his vision for America. And democracy would say, shouldn't we have an open conversation and an open debate about what do we want about a southern border and about immigration and about spending and about Ukraine and about Israel and about crime? All things, our tax code, what should we have for rules and regulations? Should we be able to drive a traditional car or do we have to buy an EV? Can I have a dishwasher that works or one that doesn't work? All conversations that people that live in a democracy should have and in the past have had. Well, now the federal government has taken the role of saying, no, we're going to step in and classify half of America as violent extremists. They're a threat to America and they can undermine democracy because undermining

democracy actually means you want to undermine those who want to control you. That's how perverted this has become. And this is a good example in Rhode Island of a teacher who goes, and again, there's probably not many conservative teachers in Rhode Island, or at least that are this brave that will stand up and expose it. But good for her for doing it. I'm sure she's taking so much abuse. I wouldn't be surprised. She's out of the system by now. But boy, Ramona, amazing stuff. So they're trying to say, we want to train our teachers to train students how to tell what's misinformation. But what they're really doing is they're finding out which kids have naughty points of view, naughty thoughts, naughty ideas that probably come from their naughty, insurrectionist, Trump parents. And so imagine just being for a second, Sean,

imagine being a student from a conservative home who goes to a public school in Rhode Island and your lefty teacher is trained and encouraged through the DHS, through the Department of Homeland Security, who by the way should have nothing to do with our schools. They're being trained to identify you, deprogram you from the bad things your parents are teaching you about Christianity, about politics. This is not the role of schools. And it goes back to what I told you, Sean. They will find more and more clever and deceptive ways of separating your child from you. These schools are, as you call them, commie camps.

They are commie camps. And the level of spying that's coming from our government, funded by our tax dollars, into our schools. It used to be that you just worried that your teacher, your kid was going to get a liberal teacher. Now you've got the Pentagon and the Department of Homeland Security funding new ways for your teacher to take your kids away from your values. That's why we always say, do not say it's not worth it to send you. You only know about this because of this brave patriot, Ramona Bessinger, but you don't know everything that's happening in your kid's school.

So we're small government conservatives. Yeah. Right. We believe that there's a role for government and there's things that the government should not be doing. We're $34 trillion in debt. And to think that our government has $700,000 to send to Rhode Island, and this is just a little drop in the bucket of the money they waste and spend on bogus projects, which is why you need conservatives in Washington to starve the government. They shouldn't have money to give

to Rhode Island because they're actually focused on the money they do have on homeland security. And this is not homeland security. This is indoctrination, making little commies in America that will continue to support the Pentagon, the Department of Homeland Security, the FBI and the DOJ and attack conservatives because you have to root out conservatism, root out Republicans, root out anyone who supports Donald Trump, demonize him, silence him. But Sean, isn't it ironic that this money is being spent and that's just one school. It's going all over.

They're spraying this money all over to train teachers to be basically thought police inside of the school and target kids. The DHS is in charge of our border right now. Look at what, so I'm sorry, Sean. Yeah. Maybe you think you can starve them and that they'll just do the basics, but they're not even doing the basics. They're spending money on this. And by the way, this is part of, like I said, a much bigger campaign. I'm also right now doing some investigation. You can go to my Twitter. I've got, I've posted some stuff about it. They're also funding NGOs to go into Hispanic communities with the same thing. We need to teach Latinos how to have media literacy. And they literally say, and you can see it on my, on my Twitter. If you go through. And they literally say, and you can see it on my Twitter if you go

through it, they literally say, we can't let them trust, we have to teach them, you can't trust what your abuelita says, what your little aunt says, or your little grandma says. You got to have trusted sources. And we got to train Hispanics, young Hispanics especially, not to trust their parents or their grandmothers or their aunts for trusted information because, you know, they might have these dangerous anti-communist ideas because they came from Venezuela or Cuba or Latin America, somewhere in Latin America. You have to trust the federal government, CNN or MSNBC, maybe the New York Times. That's it. Everything else is fake news. So money goes through them. It's being laundered through

universities, through NGOs, and they're using it to spy on you and indoctrinate you. Okay. Beware. We are going to take another quick break. We're going to come back and talk about this influencer who has had some thoughts about influencing. She had an epiphany, Sean. She had an epiphany. Right after this break. All right. Welcome back to the kitchen table. Social influencing topics always go to Rachel. Well, listen, this is my new favorite. I hope this trend becomes the latest, coolest Gen Z, alpha generation. Like the library. They all go in the library now, too. Do you know that? All the Gen Zers are going to the library. Why are they going to the library? They want to have some quiet. They want to put their phones down.

They want to actually read books. It's crazy. Oh, well, that might be my... I didn't know about that trend. That might be my favorite. You're not watching the bottom line on Fox Business from 6 to 7. But if you did, you would have heard that story. I do watch the bottom line. I don't know how I missed that. But in any case, here's another media trend. So there's an influencer. Her name

is Anna Wolferman. And she actually shares why she feels this path of being an influencer is really hurting her mental health, really. She says, I'm tired of making everything about myself. So basically says I can't even take a trip and, and, and, and enjoy my trip because the whole time I'm on the trip, I'm like worried that I take enough pictures. Did I vlog? Should I take a video of this? I should be posting on about the trip. And she's like, I'm not actually enjoying the trip. I'm not actually being in the moment. She says, I'm so sick of always talking about myself, posting about myself, replying to comments about myself. It's just being a social media influencer is too self-obsessive of a job.

She said also that because she does a lot of her stuff on TikTok, TikTok, you have to have your videos be very short, the shorter, sort of the snappier. And she says, she's a graduate herself from Notre Dame. And she says, now I'm learning not to elaborate on my ideas. I'm having to talk in these really short sentences. And it's sort of rewiring her brain to not really think deeply and thoughtfully about things. And so she's gotten out of that habit. And she says she just doesn't want to live like this anymore. I also thought she, did she mention it kind of creates a fake presentation of what your life is like? Well, sure.

You just show the happy moments, right? You don't show the time when you're, you know, having a bad the on the trip or something terrible happens everyone wants to see this beautiful aesthetic um presentation presentation amazing trip which by the way if you curtail it like that craft it like that uh most people that vacation was not that great and yours won't be that great either but if you have the expect expectation again i think it's a let down then for people to go oh my trip wasn't as great as this TikTok. Yeah, you make other people feel bad when they lose their luggage and don't have a great trip. So just so you know, Sean, 57% of Gen Zers want to pursue a career in social media.

That's more, it's a general population, actually. This is also scary. So Gen Zers say 57% want that. 41% of just the general population want that. And only 12% of those who are social media influencers make more than $50,000 a year. Only 12% are making $50,000 a year. So most people who are trying to be social media influencers, they're not making a living at it. They can't quit their jobs. They want to do it, but they're not making money at it. They all see like the great fame and the great money that some of the influencers make, but most of them, they don't

get there. You're better off to go listen. I'm going to post some stuff on social media. Yeah, maybe I'll make a little bit of money from it, but pursue your passion. You want to be a dentist, you want to go into marketing, You want to be a mechanic? Whatever you wanted to do in your life, pursue that. Go after that and do this on the side. Don't make this a priority because you'll wake up one day and go, this is empty. That's what she did. She said, I'm applying for other jobs.

She said she actually enjoyed the process of doing an application and writing a cover letter and having a real life. And I think that's what I find interesting, Sean, that after this generation has been offered this sort of virtual life, and this is why I'm so glad you brought up this other trend, they're starting to reject it. They're starting to see that it's not real and they want, they don't want to scroll through TikTok. They want to read a real book. They don't want to pretend like they had a good time and make a video about how they had a good time. They actually want to be immersed in that

trip or immersed in that, you know, experience. They want to have a good time. They want to have a life. Right. They want to have a relationship. And I think we're seeing that even with dating and so forth. This is starting to bubble up a little bit. It's starting to happen a life right they want to have a relationship and i think we're seeing that even with dating and so forth this is starting to bubble up a little bit it's starting to happen it could be a really good uh trend we're going to follow this trend for all of you we're going to keep telling these stories of these small signs that maybe this generation which has known nothing but social media and technology and phones are they reaching back into the 80s into the 90s into a different era to try and live a more authentic life small a little uh sparkles of light that hopefully could turn into a bright shining sun

these kids could get lives and get off their phones listen when we did this podcast this podcast today, I was like, we can't do three topics, Rachel. We can't get through three topics. You're like, yes, we can. We did it. It's going to be fun, and we did it. So, again, love the breadth of what we went through on the topics today. I want to thank you all for joining us at the Kitchen Table. We love to do a podcast with all of you about the topics that matter to us.

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