From the Kitchen Table: The Duffys - Senator Rand Paul: "I'm Against All Mandates"

Episode Date: October 23, 2021

This week Sean and Rachel invite Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) to The Kitchen Table to discuss why he opposes vaccine and mask mandates, specifically for children. Senator Paul also shares his disapproval of Dr. Anthony Fauci and why he believes Dr. Fauci misled the public on the origins of the COVID-19 virus and discusses the FDA Modernization Act that would end animal testing mandates. Follow Sean and Rachel on Twitter: @SeanDuffyWI & @RCamposDuffy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The all-new FanDuel Sportsbook and Casino is bringing you more action than ever. Want more ways to follow your faves? Check out our new player prop tracking with real-time notifications. Or how about more ways to customize your casino page with our new favorite and recently played games tabs. And to top it all off, quick and secure withdrawals. Get more everything with FanDuel Sportsbook and Casino. Gambling problem? Call 1-866-531-2600.

Visit connectsontario.ca. Hey everyone, welcome to From the Kitchen Table. I am your host, Sean Duffy, along with my co-host on the podcast, but my partner in life, Rachel Campos Duffy. Thank you, Sean. I'm so excited to get this podcast going. We don't have a lot of time with our next guest because he's a really busy guy. It is Senator Rand Paul. He's one of our nation's leading advocates for liberty. He's also a doctor. So a lot of the questions we're going to have today, we're going to really rely on that expertise as much as his expertise in the Senate. So without further ado, Senator Rand Paul, welcome to From the Kitchen Table. I hope you're enjoying your virtual cup of coffee with Sean and I.

Well, thanks, guys. Thanks for having me. So let's just get right to it. I think the one question that I think America has really gone to you for has been about COVID. You've been one of the people with the most credibility who's gone head to head with Dr. Anthony Fauci. And my question to you is, after everything that's happened from, you know, the fact that I believe and I think you agree that he has misled the American people on the origins of COVID, that if anyone knew that it could have come from that lab, it would have been Dr. Fauci. And this really weird thing that he's doing where he

has for four months and even till right now for the entire pandemic ignored the reality of natural immunities, which I think is just totally unscientific. Do you think that he at this point has lost all credibility or is the cred that he gets from just being this beloved liberal figure keep perpetuating his credibility and, and the sort of attention and face that so many liberals, perhaps independents, have in him.

Yeah, I think he's lost a great deal of credibility. And there was a time at which he was sort of America's doctor and not to be questioned. And still many on the left are treating him that way. But I think it's not only that he misled us on this. I think there was an actual cover up on what happened, you know, on January 31st of 2020, when the information began coming out and the doctors around him, a bunch of them emailed him and said, this looks like the virus was manipulated. It might have come from gain of function research that, by the way, we're funding the U.S. taxpayer dollars funding in Wuhan,

you see an alarming flurry of emails all through the night. I mean, he has a couple of emails at two and three in the morning. And the scientists who questioned him and said it looked like it came from the lab. Within two days, he has a meeting, a conference meeting of which we're not allowed to know the contents of because it's all redacted. I don't know what the classified nature of a meeting on gain of function research is. But after that meeting, then they all circle wagons and they all say, no, it didn't come from a lab. No way. You're a conspiracy theorist. And then the leading funder of this, Peter Daszak, writes a letter with all these other scientists signing, none of whom he told that he was the funder of this research in Wuhan,

basically saying you're a conspiracy theorist. When I first saw this, I actually bought into a little bit that maybe their scientific arguments were valid until I found out that they all were self-interested in covering this up. And as more and more evidence came out, I came to believe that this in all likelihood did come from the lab because there just wasn't much, if any evidence say it came from nature. But yeah, I think that really damaged his credibility. And then the fact that a hundred million Americans have had this disease, we have immunity, large studies, two and a half million people out of Israel say that we have as good immunity or better if we've had it naturally. He's asked on CNN, well, we probably should look into that, shouldn't we?

It's like, really, that's just a boldface lie. The fact that he says he haven't looked into it. He knows darn well that immunity works when you get it naturally. But he wants to tell you the noble lie, you know, the platonic lie that, you know, well, you know, you just need to be vaccinated. And we really don't know for certain, but he does know for certain. He just is wanting you to not worry your pretty little head about it, just go and do as you're told. So I think he has lost a lot of credibility.

And Senator, I want to follow up on that because I look at, I'm a lay person, right? I was a prosecutor. But when I got the, in America, I got the polio vaccine, polio didn't come up in the country at all because the vaccine actually worked. But we're seeing now with the COVID vaccine, and I'm not saying good or bad, I'm not a doctor, but we see breakthrough cases that if you get the COVID vaccine, you can actually get COVID, you can spread COVID, you can die from COVID after the vaccine. And so to your point, it's frustrating, one with the billions of dollars that the Congress has sent him and government scientists that we don't have studies talking about natural immunities,

but that this group of individuals who say, I'm a little bit hesitant to get the vaccine because I did have COVID and I got sick from it. I think I have natural immunities. I don't want to mess that up. You're treated as a social outcast when, yes, you can get COVID and yes, you can spread it, but also those who have vaccines have been vaccinated. They can too spread it. So why is one group better than the other? And I think it makes us all lose trust in science itself. Yeah, I think when you don't tell people the truth, if you're already a little bit hesitant towards what government's telling you, and then you see them lying to us about natural immunity, then people are more resistant. Their

back stiffens and they don't want to get this. And so, yes, they you can still get this if you've been vaccinated. Now, that's not an argument against being vaccinated. I do believe that vaccination still lessens the severity of the illness you get if you do get it after vaccine. So I think it is for people at high risk worthwhile to be vaccinated, particularly over 65 and particularly overweight. We're seeing more and more young people. I know a young person who died last week, 44, but significantly overweight. So I don't want to say that people shouldn't be vaccinated, but it's absolutely true what you're saying, that you hear these idiots on CNN saying, I don't want to sit next to somebody who's been unvaccinated. It's actually the opposite of the truth. I have not been vaccinated, but I've had the disease.

I'm more at risk from getting it from someone who's only been vaccinated. And that doesn't mean I worry about sitting next to them, but it's the opposite of what they're telling you on CNN. They also tell you on CNN that we have vaccine hesitancy throughout the land. It's really not true. Over age 65, 90 percent of people have voluntarily gotten vaccinated. 65, 90% of people have voluntarily gotten vaccinated. People listened to the studies, listened to the data and said, wow, this sounds like a disease of people who were 65. That's me. And 90% of people gotten vaccinated. So really, we don't have this huge hesitancy. Over age 50,

75% of people have been vaccinated. But what they want to do now is they're insisting on your 15 year old. And if your 15 year old particularly has already had covid, I don't think we know for certain whether or not the risks of the vaccine are worth taking the vaccine. And I do think that is for an elderly person. But for a 15 year old, particularly that's had covid, I still worry that we don't know fully whether or not myocarditis, which is an inflammation of the heart that can happen after vaccine, whether it's more common if your child's already had COVID. And we do need to know that. We also need to tell people that the vaccine has not been studied in people who have COVID. All of the trials for safety excluded people who had COVID. They have no idea who had COVID, who didn't. But if they did know, you got excluded from the study.

So we don't know whether your 15-year-old who's already had COVID, whether COVID vaccine is safe. We should study that. And particularly before, and I'm against all mandates, but they're going to mandate your kid do this. Your kid won't be able to play sports, go to school, do anything. You know, it's a terrible world of mandates that's coming and really based on faulty science or insufficient science to show that it is safe for our kids. Yeah. Senator, I know many people who did not want their kids to get the vaccine, but their kids were really into sports and there was just so much pressure and the kid wants to play sports and doesn't want to be excluded. And so they made this health decision

that they didn't want to do simply because of the mandates that were in place, at least for sports kids. Kids in sports have had these mandates in place for a while. So let's stick with kids for a second. I want to draw on your expertise as a doctor, as a man of medicine. Today, I was reading the Daily Mail. There was an article about a teacher. Actually, it was about teachers in Colorado who are basically, if a kid's mask slips in school, they're taping the masks over the children. I think masking, I know, I know. I think masking kids is child abuse at this point. I don't agree with it. I don't think it makes any sense. But why haven't we had more studies on this? What are your thoughts on kids and masks in school?

This is not a deadly disease in children. It's less dangerous than the seasonal flu. So if we're going to insist on masks for this disease, we would have to insist on masks for the seasonal flu because the seasonal flu is actually more deadly for children. I'm against mask mandates. They don't work. The cloth mask has no medical utility at all. The pores in the cloth mask are larger, significantly larger than the virus. The virus passes right through. If you do a study and you blow sodium chloride or salt particles through a mask the same size as a virus, what you find is 97% of the particles go through a cloth mask. The cloth mask is of no value. So it's complete theater, but it's theater of submission. But to make it even worse,

there was this horrible picture that we, a little video that we tweeted out of a preschool teacher trying to put a mask on a two-year-old. And I know you guys have lots of kids. I have kids. We got nieces, nephews. We know what it's like to be around small kids. When a small kid doesn't want to do something and you force it on them, the teacher was, you know, hands all over the face, all over the mask. If there is any disease there, the teacher now has a thousand times more of it on her hands. The kids now got it all over his body. It's all over everybody's hands. The thing is, there is no scientific validity to saying that manhandling a two-year-old with a mask is somehow reducing infection. And so what I'd love to see, and they've done these studies before, is do a fluorescein study where you start with just

a little speck of what would be represent the disease and you put it on someone's mask one child and wait till you see where it goes throughout the room it goes everywhere by the time the kid's doing this and this and the teacher comes over and helps it's on the kids kids hands now it's on the teacher you cannot stop this you know when kids are sick keep them home from daycare if they're're not sick, are they really do they really have a disease if they're not sick? You know, we're sending all these kids home that are testing positive that don't have any symptoms. I don't know the real value there either. Yeah, it's just been so frustrating. I want to ask you one last question on COVID. It's not about

kids. It's about animals. So, you know, if liberals weren't upset about Fauci and all the misleading and lies and and misinformation and hypocrisy, you know, when he's not wearing a mask and telling everybody else to wear a mask and everything else that's going on. The one thing that they've been mad at Fauci about has been animal testing. So I know that you have a bill about animal testing. So I want to ask you just really quickly, is is testing on animals necessary in this day and age? And to tell me about your testing. So I want to ask you just really quickly, is testing on animals necessary in this day and age? And two, tell me about your bill. No, and there's a great in-between solution on this. I didn't realize this until recently, but the law from 1938 on says that you have to do animal testing. It's not that it was optional or if you need to do animal testing, it said you had to. So really we've been forcing animal testing on scientists, many of whom think they can illustrate safety and efficacy without animal testing.

And you're right. I mean, the outrage when people saw some of the Beagle studies that Dr. Fauci studied. And really, I was aware of some of this, even back to my medical school days. There used to be horrific studies that somebody thought it was interesting to see what happened to chimpanzees if you strapped them in a seat and threw them 60 miles an hour against a brick wall to see what car accidents did to the brain. And it's like, that was never necessary. If you want to see what happens to your brain after hitting a wall 60 miles an hour, there are enough people dying every day that there can be studies done on those who die from these injuries. It was never needed. But finally, our sensibilities woke up and we said, do we really need to do this to chimpanzees? They're so close to us.

But I think there are a lot of people who feel that way about their dogs and cats. If it doesn't need to be done, why should we? So my bill makes it optional, which we hope will be a big end run around this. And many scientists will begin eliminating dogs and cats and things from their, from their studies. We'll be right back with much more after this. Light up Black Friday with Freedom Mobile and get 50 gigs to use in Canada, the U.S. and Mexico for just 35 bucks a month for 18 months. Plus get a one-time gift of five gigs of Roam Beyond data.

Conditions apply. Details at freedommobile.ca. Senator, we don't havetime gift of five gigs of Roam Beyond data. Conditions apply. Details at freedommobile.ca. Senator, we don't have a whole lot of time with you. I know I want to pivot and I want to talk about reconciliation. So our listeners know that there's a $3.5 trillion reconciliation socialist spending package. You take out the budget gimmicks and it's over $5 trillion. We're making the way America works. And so two questions for you. One is I want you to handicap whether you think this reconciliation package gets out at 3.5. Does Manchin hold out for a lower number?

Is it going to be 1.5 trillion? Does he get to 2 trillion? And then a way to comment. I've become a crypto guy. And I've done that because I believe that we're devaluing our dollar. That those who hate America are destroying the American currency. And the dollar or any currency has value because we, as a society, say it has value. And if you undermine it, you look and I served on financial services

with your father for two years when I first came in, was a constant communicator on debt and the dollar. But if we continue to print more money and we devalue our currency, you look throughout the history of the world, when any country does that, the consequences are horrific for the people that live in that country. So maybe just if you talk about reconciliation and also the debt in the dollar for us. I think it's important for people to know that we've already borrowed and spent more money than we have at any time in our history. Our debt is now a greater percentage of our overall economy than it's ever been. We've already locked in ramifications.

There's this debate in the media about whether it'll be 3.5 trillion or 2 trillion. That is a hoax because whether it's 3.5 or 2, they're still going to have programs that will become permanent. So one of the ways they get from 3.5 trillion to 2 trillion is by saying, oh, if we count five years worth, it's three and a half trillion. But if we only count two years worth, it's two trillion. Still the same cost. They're only going to count because of an accounting gimmick. They're going to count two years. But do you think free college ever goes away?

Free daycare? Once you get this free stuff. But ultimately, your listeners need to know this. Nothing in life is free. Everybody knows this. If somebody calls you on the phone and says, we'll give you a thousand dollars if you sign up for this program. Everybody kind of thinks to themselves, that might be a little bit of a scam, right? Well, that's what the Democrats are pitching. It's a free stuff scam, but nothing in life is free. The fourteen hundred dollar checks

that everybody got, ask them in a year or so whether or not they feel any richer, even though they got the fourteen hundred dollars. Gas prices are up. Grocery prices are up. Rent is up. You know, so what we're going to find is the inflationary spile steals away or will pay for the so-called free stuff. So nothing in life really is free. It's a bait and switch. And it's a Democrat ploy to get you dependent upon things. They're going to give you free stuff in exchange for your vote. But then you won't get ahead and you'll become more and more dependent on the free stuff to try to break even. And you'll scratch your head a decade from now and say, how come I'm not any richer?

How come I got poor? How come the areas of our cities are worse? How come the violence is worse? We've been giving free stuff to our cities and to our people for 70 years. And look at the disaster. So nothing in life is free. And people have to wake up, get smart and say Democrats don't want you to get ahead. They want you to be dependent on the government. And that isn't going to help any of us. You wrote a book on socialism, I believe, with your wife, correct?

I did. I need to come back on here since this is a husband and wife program. I need to bring my wife on. We actually should. And we'll talk about the book. Yeah, we should talk about that. Let me just ask you really quick on that. You know, you're talking about this road to socialism that we're on and that, you know, many people are saying, just as you're saying, that this bill, this spending specifically in this reconciliation package is really going to put us permanently on that path. And you talk about how just now you mentioned how, you know, this is a ploy to get us dependent on government in this cycle. Do you think someone like AOC actually knows that it's doing this or does she really believe

that she's you know, this is going to help people? I think there are some people who are Machiavellian who know that they're really trying to accumulate power. I would place her more in the category of the big heart, small brain syndrome that we have in Washington. of the big heart, small brain syndrome that we have in Washington. So I think she wants to help people. And she, in her naive way, thinks if you just give people money, they'll be richer.

And there are people that really lack that intellectual capacity to understand that you can't just print money and give people money and all of a sudden that they'll be wealthier because it does destroy the money. Hence the popularity of cryptocurrencies or another way to protect your savings that people do is investing in precious metals or real estate. My great grandparents came from Germany and they still had relatives there who were in the 20s as a currency was destroyed and they were forever petrified and didn't want to have any cash or any kind of money. They wanted all their money to be in their land or their house or their business because they feared the stock market collapsing, but they also feel the destruction of the currency. And that's what drives, I think,

people to cryptocurrency, but also drives people to precious metals, real estate, and things that you can touch, see, and feel. Yeah, no, a hundred percent. Well, listen, Senator, I know that your time is limited, your staff, let us know that. And I just want to tell you from a perspective of a former member and a father who loves his country, I couldn't be more thankful for your common sense and hard work in the Senate. And again, we don't always get that, but you have been one of those voices, especially on the pandemic, but also on socialism and on debt and on the dollar. So thank you for joining us today on the kitchen table. And thank you. Thank you, Senator. I feel exactly the same way Sean does. We both are also big fans of your dad, by the way. So thank you so much. And we will have

this next podcast. We're going to we're going to have to invite you back with your beautiful wife, Kelly, because I think that will she would be going to have to invite you back with your beautiful wife, Kelly, because I think that she would be great to have on. Thanks, guys. Thank you for joining us for The Kitchen Table with the Duffeys. We've enjoyed the conversation. And if you did too, let us know. Subscribe, rate, and review this podcast at foxnewspodcast.com or wherever you download podcasts.

We hope to see you around the table next week. Bye bye. From the Fox News Podcast Network, subscribe and listen to the Trey Gowdy podcast. Former federal prosecutor and four term U.S. congressman from South Carolina brings you a one of a kind podcast. Subscribe and listen now by going to Fox News Podcast dot com.