From the Kitchen Table: The Duffys - Senator Ron Johnson, Fighting For Wisconsin

Episode Date: November 4, 2022

On this episode, Sean and Rachel sit down with Senator Ron Johnson (R-WI) to discuss his re-election campaign against Democratic challenger Mandela Barnes, the voting issues that are driving Wisconsinites to the polls, and what a Republican majority in Congress could look like.   Later, Senator Johnson gives updates from his and Senator Chuck Grassley's (R-IA) investigation into Hunter Biden's foreign business dealings.   Follow Sean and Rachel on Twitter: @SeanDuffyWI & @RCamposDuffy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I think the hero of the Senate. I think the most important race that needs to be won if we want to get to the bottom of so many of the lies in the Biden administration, that, of course, is Wisconsin Senator Ron Johnson. Senator, welcome to the kitchen table. Hello, Rachel. Hello, Sean. I'm happy to be here with you. Listen, I'm happy you took a little time off the campaign trail. I know what it's like and how fun it is to travel our great state on the Romobile and that you would take 15, 20 minutes to chat with us today as you're coming to the closing days. I appreciate that. We want to ask you about a couple of different topics, but before we get into some meatier stuff, I always think no one knows the

mood of the electorate, of the voter, what's burning on their minds than candidates. Because you're talking to so many people, touching so many people, especially in the closing days of the campaign. What are you hearing, Senator, as you're going through Wisconsin in this final pitch to November 8th? Well, first of all, Sean, I just want to comment on what you said earlier about really how much fun it is to be campaigning. We've been driving around the state of Wisconsin. You know how beautiful it is. I'm up in your old district right now. It's been beautiful weather, but what's most fun about it is just all the kind and decent people you meet. You know, people that love this country,

people that really are really willing to work hard to unify and heal it. I'm dead serious about that. So, you know, what is obviously on people's minds are the key, the issues, you know, this fundamental transformation of America, the 40-year high inflation, the record gas prices, skyrocketing crime, open border, the flood of deadly drugs in their cities. You know, those things are on people's mind, but it's actually more fundamental than that, Sean. You know, when, you know, parents saw what our

children were being undocumented with within our schools. I mean, there's a sense that we're just literally losing this country. We're losing what we value here, you know, our culture, our values, our morals. And I'd say that's actually the greater driving force in terms of certainly our supporters. You know, Senator, I just want to maybe jump in on Rachel before she asks a question. I think you made such a great point that, and especially in Wisconsin, and I know Wisconsin better than any state because I've spent 50 years there, but I think you're right. Voters love America, and so they want to heal America. They don't want to see it ripped apart. They want to see it come

together around some common themes that we've always had in this country, which is educate our kids, love our country, give freedom and liberty to people, to let them choose their destinies, choose their course in life. They know what's best for themselves versus their family, versus the government. I think that's just a really important point that you bring up from the campaign trail. And I also think that what you brought up about family and morals, I mean, I think people are outraged that they're sending their kids to school and they're getting, you know, transgender things that make no sense, that they're finding pornography in the libraries of their schools that are

taxpayer funded. I have to, I've also been going around, not as much as you Senator, but when I go to diners, I hear people talking about just being afraid for the morality of the country. Well, they're pushing things like critical race theory on our children. And, you know, I just gave my, in my speeches, I talk about how, didn't we all embrace Martin Luther King's vision for this country? That he laid out his, I have a dream speech, that you're going to judge people on the content of their character,

not the color of their skin. And listen, racism still exists. Of course it does. You know, so does hatred. It's unfortunate, but we've come a long way since Martin Luther King Jr. gave that speech. You know, why not? Why not build off of that? Why not acknowledge the fact that we have reduced racism dramatically in this country? Let's continue the racial healing. But you know, the other side isn't doing that. Again, I hate to sound partisan, but it's just true. I mean, our side, we're not

the dividers. We're not the angry ones. We're highly concerned, but we're not angry. You know, we want to unify and heal this nation. We want to love our neighbors. You know, we want to strengthen America because a divided nation, as President Lincoln said, a house divided cannot stand. A divided nation is a weakened nation. And unfortunately for the world, a weak America pharma, or if I'm someone deep in regard to the money and the effort and the push by really powerful forces in this country that want to see you defeated because of all the work you've done to expose many of the lies, much of the collusion that's taken place between tech and pharma and big government? Well, that's what I've been up against, lies, distortions. I mean, they'll take anything I say and twist it beyond recognition, distort it into an entirely different meaning. Character assassination. In general, the politics of personal destruction. But, you know, I may be the number one target and they may be lying about me the most. But I will say just about every Republican on the ballot is facing a Democrat who's using the same playbook. And it's very unfortunate, Sean and Rachel, I mean, that one political party has no problem lying.

I talk about how President Obama was awarded the 2013, I think, was a PolitiFact Lie of the Year. He knew full well that Obamacare would force you off of your health care plan. You'd lose the doctor you like. But yet he told it. President Biden said that he lied when he said he never talked to his son Hunter about his overseas business dealings. And Mandela Barnes, I mean, this guy, the falsehoods just roll off his tongue. So it's very unfortunate. We have a political party where they are so detached from not only the truth, but also reality. It's shocking. And that's why our nation is in such peril. Well, some of the things that they that you said is actually that you were telling the truth.

You were telling the truth about the need for alternative therapies during covid. You were telling the truth about the injuries that people were experiencing because of the vaccine. And they were trying to censor you. And so I want to talk a little bit about big tech censorship, because some of it isn't that they took what you said and lied. Some of it you've been 100 percent vindicated on, by the way, at the more time that goes by, the better your record looks during the COVID period. I just can't believe that our government was working with big tech to censor American speech.

And I guess what I want to know is, and I think a lot of people want to know is, no one doubts your courage, but if the American people hand the Senate over to the Republicans, and if we get a Republican majority in the Senate and we expect that in the House, what can the American people expect as far as the covid lies? Because already we're seeing the Atlantic Monthly and, you know, Jake Tapper and others saying, OK, there were some mistakes, but we don't need to relitigate that. And I'm afraid

that if we don't go back and hold people accountable, and I mean, not just like in a hearing, but people go to jail for some of the lies that have happened, that this is just going to happen again. So what can you how can you reassure people who are voting Republican or or, you know, a lot of people are crossing over, that you'll do that. Well, if I do win and we do get the majority, I will become chairman of the Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations. There's no Senate chairman that has greater subpoena authority than that chairman. And so this is one of the main reasons I ran. We have to expose the truth here. And, you know, Rachel, they use a pejorative, you know, that I spread misinformation. They never have once shown one thing that I said was inaccurate when it came to COVID and the vaccine and early treatment. I mean, I've been 100% vindicated. Now, they'll never admit it. Quite honestly, they can't afford to admit they're wrong because the body count is

way too high. The human toll of the economic devastation, what we've done to our children is just so high that they're going to continue to double down on failure just to pretty well never admit they were wrong. And of course, now they're tasking me and they're wrong by begging forgiveness. Just say, well, let's all move on. It was really complex. Well, yeah, there was a lot we didn't know. That is true. But there was an awful lot that we did know that they completely ignored. And they do need to be held accountable. And I will be a man on a mission. Trust me. And purposely covered it up. It's so infuriating. Thank you for all you've done on that. And I think it's important to go, the comments were just common sense from

really smart doctors that were being censored. And because we didn't know, we should have debated. And our government and big tech was shutting that debate down. I want to ask you about crime. We'll move on from that. I'm sorry. I just have to say one more thing. What is happening with Dr. Peter McAuliffe? Has his license been revoked? What are you going to do to help doctors who are under this kind of professional pressure of having their licenses revoked? His certifications have been canceled by some of these certifying boards. And exactly what that means is a little difficult to interpret right now. But he's being made an example of.

The reason more doctors didn't come forward is because they want to practice medicine. A lot of them have hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of student loans outstanding. They need to make a living for their families, so they've been intimidated. They live in a state of fear because of the COVID cartel, the federal health agencies, of the covert cartel the the federal health agencies uh the medical establishment quite honestly um they're crushing anybody that has a dissenting view and you know what's so disappointing about this to me that was a basic tenet of medicine if you have a serious illness you go get a second maybe even a third opinion because nobody has perfect knowledge i mean i wish the fouches of the world have a little modesty here and say, oh, there's a lot that they don't know either.

And, you know, we need, it was our responsibility to provide the American public with as much information as we had, as honest as information as we have, so they could make as informed a decision as possible in very uncertain times. But that's not what happened. You know, Fauci talked with certainty and he was certainly wrong. And that's the problem. I would say that it's important that we have expectations that are appropriate. This is a legislative body in the Congress. And I think, to your point, Senator, you can bring a

lot of transparency to what did happen and didn't happen. And that's the power of the gavel, that if you have a majority in the Senate and you have that powerful galley you mentioned, you can bring us that transparency, which then allows the voters to act and also legislation to potentially pass. But I want to get back to this issue of crime, because I think that Americans are really forgiving. They do say, listen, if you make a mistake, I can accept your apology and that you didn't get it right. And, you know, you spent a lot of money and we got inflation and you tried and it was wrong. You're sorry. OK, I think that goes a long way. But what frustrates me is the crime issue. I know you've this has been a big issue on the campaign trail where Democrats have pushed this, this, the no bail. They've pushed criminal justice reform.

They've pushed criminal justice reform. They've they've pushed defunding the police. And now crime has exploded and shockingly in our state as well. And I imagine that Mandela Barnes has not apologized for it. Tony Evers has not apologized for it. But what role is crime playing in the campaign in Wisconsin? Well, it's a huge role, I think primarily because Mandela Barnes has been so grotesquely dishonest about this. It's obvious that he was for defunding the police, but yet he dishonestly denies that. But he's learned to use the code words. He wants to reallocate over bloated police budgets. He says it pains him to see a fully funded police budget. And even worse, he went on Russia Today six times as a member of Wisconsin's assembly. OK, representing Wisconsin, basically denigrated the police, including a few days after the slaughter of five Dallas police officers.

And he went on basically rationalized it. He said in that appearance that law enforcement is overexercising their badge. They've turned their badges into license to bully, and then rationalized the killing by saying, well, it's probably retaliatory action. That's who Mandela Barnes is, and he's been completely dishonest with the people here in Wisconsin. He went and he incited the riots further in Kenosha. So did Governor E. You know, the day afterwards, he held a press conference and said it sure felt like a vendetta being carried out against a member of our community. Rather than trying to calm the situation down, acknowledging that we need to investigate what happened with the shooting of Jacob Blake, they went out there and cited the riot. So it's a huge issue. It should be a huge

issue. And of course, both Governor Evers and Mandela Barnes, their goal was to reduce our prison population by 50%. It's down 15%, including they paroled 884 criminals. You'd think they'd start with the nonviolent. Nope. Only about 100 were nonviolent. The rest were violent criminals, including 44 child rapists, 270 criminals who primarily committed or at least attempted murder. and the murders were horrific. And they let these people on the street. So no, I mean, it's a huge issue, but not only because the soft-on-crime policy has allowed crime to explode in Wisconsin, but just because of the grotesque dishonesty of

denying his prior positions. And it's an absolute lie. You're right. They pushed these policies. Then they saw the results of the policies and the voters didn't like them. And now they've tried to run away from the policy as opposed to apologize for it. I didn't get to see your debate with Mandela Barnes live, Senator. But Fox Nation, I go there once in a while, and they have several of the debates up on Fox Nation. And I pulled up your and Mandela Barnes's debate, and I thought you did a great job of making this point of like, you're actually lying to the voters. This was your position. This is what you wanted to have happen. And now voters are angry about the results of what you wanted to have happen because crime is rampant in certain parts of our state, and you're not taking responsibility for your own policies. He wrote the law. Now, it didn't become law, so he wrote the bill to eliminate cash bail. And then we all know that the Waukesha Christmas Parade killer,

the murderer, he was out on low bail. And so even after the Waukesha Christmas Parade massacre, Mandela Barnes doubled down. Yeah, he still supports eliminating bail, cash bail. So it's baffling to me. But now he's trying to back away from other of his positions, his soft on crime positions. So I've been accused uh senator johnson of

being obsessed with hunter biden and i'm guilty as charged i'm obsessed um because i think it's so egregious everything that's happened it's so obvious but you're not it's not hunter it's really joe right no i know i know well that's the part I want to get to. Sorry. That is. No, no, I'm glad you brought it. Well, listen, Hunter is colorful. So I'm always fascinated. I like just when you think he couldn't get raunchier, it gets just a little lower and it goes low. Yeah, it's just awful. But yeah, I mean, so you and Senator Grassley have been, you know, on this thing. You've never given up. They tried to accuse you of being, you know, purveyors of Russian disinformation. They use the FBI to try and accuse you of being, you know, some sort of, I don't know, a spy for Putin. I don't know. It's just like crazy stuff they've gone after you with because they don't want you to do what you've been doing, which is

to never give up on the story of Hunter Biden. And of course, as Sean mentioned, where it leads to Joe Biden and the lie. So I want to play this for you. I want to play Joe Biden talking about how he doesn't know anything about what Hunter does. My son has not made money in terms of this thing about what are you talking about? China. I have not had the only guy made money from China is this guy is the only one. Nobody else has made money from China. So now you and Senator Grassley have like 200 pages of bank records related to Hunter Biden and basically the family's connections to the Chinese regime and people connected to the Chinese military and intelligence.

Talk to me a little bit more about that, what you know, and what more we could find out should you get elected and you get that gavel. Yeah, well, President Biden was lying through his teeth. That was obvious. I knew it at the time. We had Treasury records that proved that they were making money off of China, and from people connected with the Communist Party of China and probably the People's Liberation Army as well. So that was known in September. But as egregious and as concerning as the corruption of Biden, Inc. is, and how that compromises the president, how that may have a very terrible impact on our national security because of how he now treats China because of that compromise.

Can you expand on that? Because I think that's what people I mean, I think at this point, people understand that Joe Biden was involved in this, that he could be compromised. But how has his actions, in your opinion, been affected by the fact that the Chinese have dirt on him? Well, one indication is that he canceled the China initiative, which was the Department of Justice program that was investigating Chinese theft of our intellectual property on universities. Why would he cancel that? We don't know all the details about his business and Hunter's and Biden Inc.'s business deals in China, but I tell you who does. Chinese intelligence, Russian intelligence, Iranian

intelligence, North Korean intelligence. So they know this. That was the whole point of the news media going bonkers over potential Trump collusion with Russians. You could compromise the president of the United States. Well, that was a total lie. That was a false narrative. This is true. And so compromise it. So again, as serious as that is, and that is horribly serious, okay, gravely serious, I think even worse is the corruption in federal law enforcement, in our intelligence services. I mean, you had 51 intelligence officials, bipartisan basis, come up with their own information operation when they wrote a letter without any evidence whatsoever and said that the Hunter laptop had all the earmarks of a Russian

information operation. I mean, that was a diversion operation themselves. I mean, look at the corruption. You know, we know the FBI had a scheme in August of 2020 to downplay the derogatory information Hunter Biden laptop. And then so you so you got that corruption right there and then throw on top of that the complicity in the corruption of the media. You know, I'm going around Wisconsin saying, you know, how how can Mandela Barnes even have a chance? and saying, you know, how can Mandela Barnes even have a chance? I mean, with what he's, how he's despaired to the law enforcement, the fact that he thinks the founding of this nation is awful. I mean, there's so many of his, in his own words, you know, how he has demonstrated his contempt and disdain for America,

for Wisconsinites, for law enforcement, and yet he has a chance. Why? Because of a corrupt, incomplicit media who are part and parcel of the left. They're not journalists anymore. They're advocates for the left. They amplify their lies. They cover up for them. And so, again, they're the three big scandals.

Biden, Inc., the corruption of federal law enforcement and federal agencies, and the corruption and complicity of the mainstream media that's some tech those are huge threats to our democracy yeah and fascinating he's he's going off on a speech on on the threats to democracy i guess my question to tie up the hunter biden stuff is as you said you know that um you know he's involved in these business deals we know that he was telling a lie. You have these documents now.

The bank records and the bank records. Exactly. So where does I mean, because we saw Hillary in the emails, nothing happens. What will this go all the way up to, you know, to Joe Biden? Could he be impeached? Could what are the consequences that could happen from this? Well, again, if we could prove criminal activity, that would certainly be a possibility. But again, our problem is, you know, I subpoenaed Chris Ferre.

Under President Trump, who wanted these records revealed? And we didn't get them. So again, you know, we've got a real problem with the federal agencies and partisan actors within them. Don't comply with congressional oversight. Don't even comply with the congressional subpoena. And we have no enforcement capability. You have the power of the purse. That we do. And will you use it in that way? First, because, you know, Democrats are in control. But if we get control, yeah, we need to be able to use that. So that is the leverage we have.

And I've got to convince my colleagues to use that leverage. And probably in a targeted way. I mean, no one is saying defund all of the FBI and the DOJ, but it's a targeted approach that could put pressure on the FBI and the DOJ to actually comply with congressional subpoenas. And by the way, we see when there's no compliance with the congressional subpoena and you're a Republican, you get prosecuted and sent to jail. Steve Bannon example. I wonder if the prosecutors at the FBI and I should say at the DOJ will be so aggressive against those who fail to comply with the got to get people out. There's no foregone conclusions. Polls are not indicative of votes. You got to go out there and cast your vote. And I think the Senate majority is going to go to the Republicans. And listen, Senator, I know you have to run. I know your time is short. You're on the campaign trail. You're working your heart out. And I want to thank you for joining us on the kitchen table. Thank you for being such a great Wisconsinite, such a great American and fighting for truth

and honesty and transparency. And so it was so many issues that are so meaningful to the American people. And there's not many people who will do what you've done. No one will take the abuse that you've taken. And I'm so grateful that you have broad, broad shoulders and say, I'll take the hits because America is worth it. You did.

And by the way, I love the compliment that Tucker Carlson gave you because it was so good when he said, Ron Johnson is the only senator who gets better with time. The rest of them get worse. You get better. I couldn't agree more. I thought it was so spot on. Sean knows that I think you're the greatest senator in the Senate,

in that body. I will always, no matter how this election turns out, and I believe you're going to win no matter how it turns out. The courage you showed during covid when there were so many cowards, so many cowards in the medical field, cowards in Congress, cowards in business, cowards all over the place. And you stood with those few brave people who were willing to stand up and and people who risked their place. And you stood with those few brave people who were willing to stand up and people who risked their careers. And you stood for them and mothers who were devastated over what happened to their children from a vaccine injury. I can't thank you enough. You

made your state proud. You made your country proud. And I don't care what those people say. You have been vindicated with time. You keep getting more and more vindicated. And I don't care what those people say. You have been vindicated with time. You keep getting more and more vindicated. And like Tucker said, you keep getting better. I think you deserve reelection a hundred times over, Senator. I'm your biggest fan. Well, listen, you guys are doing a great job providing real information, the truth to millions of viewers. I appreciate that. I truly appreciate your friendship. I loved getting to know you guys and appreciate our relationship. Likewise.

And you guys keep up the good work as well. So God bless you and keep working hard. God bless you and good luck on the campaign trail. Stay safe in that Ronmobile. All right? Drive it safe. We'll have more of this conversation after this. So I first came to Edward Jones with a great deal of trepidation when I first met with my advisor and I really was feeling vulnerable about what I would have to share. I was, of course, pleasantly surprised to find that there was absolutely no judgment and a lot of support. And when it was time to get serious, he really took my hand and helped me to do that.

serious, he really took my hand and helped me to do that. Edward Jones, we do money differently. Visit edwardjones.ca slash different. All right. Listen, I got to tell you, I know how busy he is. I know what these campaign schedules look like and that he would take 15, 20 minutes out to talk about what's happening in the great state of Wisconsin. One of those really important races with a really important Senator. I appreciate that. And there's been so much talk about Pennsylvania, which is so important and Georgia also important, but you can't forget about Wisconsin and also about the quality of the Senator that, that Wisconsin has to put forward. It's just, it's just remarkable. So often you go, I don't know what I'm going to get with a new candidate. I don't know what the kind senator they're going to be. There's some questions

about, there's some questions with Herschel Walker. There's no question about that. Let's be honest. I know what I get with Ron Johnson. He has been tested. He's been tried. And he has stood up to the challenge. And I love your point, Rachel. When a lot of people ran for the hills, Ron Johnson ran for the truth. He ran for transparency and he ran to back up a debate in America, especially when he mentioned a lot of us didn't know Fauci didn't know that's the time when you debate and get the best information, best minds with different opinions. And they weren't doing that. And Ron was like, well, hold up a second. Actually, these guys are making some really good points. And she says, I'm science. And if there's a potential of a vaccine to hurt people, we should probably talk about that. We should know what the consequences are, if there are consequences. And he was one who was fearless in that effort. And you and I couldn't

be Potter from our roots in Wisconsin and to have a senator like that in our state. He was also saying the common sense things we all knew. Go outside, get vitamin D. By the way, ivermectin works. There's some studies. Look what's happening in India. And for all of that, they tried to say, you're killing people. The intimidation that they went after him with.

And then he had a hearing. He didn't have the majority at this point but he had a hearing like an sort of uh you know his own hearing round table round table uh but it's still a senator you know holding that kind of a hearing putting up the the brave doctors who were taking hits for taking care of people with COVID and big tech censored it. They took it off of YouTube. You couldn't get it. And can I just say this in that hearing, he had a doctor who had, you know, treated thousands of people with COVID with his, you know, treatment of ivermectin and other things. And then there was a guy at the hearing who was like,

this is wrong and blah, blah, blah. And you're going to kill people with your ivermectin and vitamin D or whatever. And then Ron Johnson said, so how many people did you treat for COVID? None. None. None. Just like Fauci's never treated anyone with COVID. I remember that. And the media was vicious. We got to go back and remember that. With Senator Johnson. And as he mentioned, misrepresenting what he was saying, lying about what he was saying,

and lying about what he was trying to actually do. And just one other point on that. I remember listening, I think, I don't know if it was listening to Hannity or someone during daytime Fox, and a doctor came on who's, you know, he's a famous doctor and was talking about kind of the same things that Ron Johnson was talking about. I'm like, you don't get famous doctors to take an opposite position of the CDC.

And it was Dr. Oz was one of the early doctors who was coming out going, well, we should actually look at these things, as most doctors would say, because we don't know. And I didn't know his politics. I didn't know where he stood on issues, but Dr. Oz was also early on going, whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's make sure we're looking at all the evidence, all the information and all the best minds to get the best recommendations on how to treat COVID. Instead of, you know, everything the CDC said was, and by the CDC, fully in bed with big pharma, fully in bed with big pharma. And we were supposed to trust that, you know, every day, I thank God that our daughter brought her friend over on Halloween back in what year was that? In 2020. In 2020. And she spent the night.

This is when you weren't supposed to have kids spend the night, but what we did. And then we got COVID. We had dinner with us, trick-or-treated, slept over. We got COVID. That was a Sunday. On Monday, she was like, I have COVID.

And we're like, how did you find our house when you had COVID? I don't think she knew exactly. But anyway, I want to kiss her feet because thank God we got COVID. The whole house got it together. Everyone. It went. I mean, listen, anytime anyone gets a cold in this house, it just flies through everybody.

So we or the flu. And so we all got COVID. All nine of us. All nine of us. No, nine kids. Eleven. Actually, eleven of us. Yeah, because everyone was together then.

It was eleven of us. Vito's us. No, nine kids. Eleven. Actually, eleven of us. Yeah, because everyone was together then. It was eleven of us. He goes home from school. We all got COVID and we all got tested and we all tested positive. The kids were not had no symptoms. We were sick as a dog. Sean took hydroxychloroquine, which you weren't supposed to do at that time. I had a doctor prescribe it for me. Yep.

Well, kind of. He's a doctor. He was a doctor. We won't talk about who that is kind of. He was a doctor. He was a doctor. We won't talk about who that is. He's not a medical doctor. But he got a secret bottle of hydroxychloroquine. He took hydroxychloroquine. I did not.

And I was sick for eight days. Sean was sick for three hours. So, I mean, just in our own lives, we saw the- The impact on kids? Yes. The impact on kids, which was virtually nothing. The impact of taking hydroxychloroquine, wish I had taken it. And all of that play out. And then you and I made a

decision that because there were no long-term studies on the vaccine and because they were pushing it so hard, it made us wary. And we decided we've already got natural immunity. We're not taking the vaccine. And listen, that was not an easy decision to make at that time. There was a lot of pressure on us to do it. And we said no. And again, I'm so grateful that every day I feel better. I feel like my unvaccinated blood is gold. Well, I want to be clear with everyone.

We're not anti-vaxxers. We we've taken vaccines. Our kids take vaccines, but on this one, we took vaccines that had long term studies done on that. It's true. And this one, but I want, but no, but I wanted to make that clear. I'm not, it's not that we haven't had any vaccines we have, but this was one that we were skeptical of. We were nervous about the lies that were coming out of government and the hardcore push that was being put on us. And then we thought, well, if we've had COVID, we probably have immunities like any other kind of virus. You get an immunity from it.

And neither of us have had COVID since. We feel very strong and healthy. And like we've got through it. I feel like Superwoman. You are kind of. So you actually dress like Superwoman sometimes. Yeah, I feel like I'm superwoman. So I think the reason we're going through this is I think it's really easy to forget about what those two and a half years

were like, especially the first year. And there were a few people who stood strong in leadership positions. Real champions. Real champions. And God bless those doctors like McAuliffe. And there were others. I can't remember all their names. Bhattacharya, you know, Dr. Marty McCary. The Great Barrington Declaration signers. And Senator Johnson stood by so many of them. You know, I just maybe and we're going to get to.

There were a few, very few good doctors that came forward. And you know what? In times like this, you see in a group of leaders, the leader of the leaders stand out. And the ones who have courage in tough times are the ones that you want at the forefront. And it was Ron Johnson was one of the few with the doctors you mentioned were the ones that stood up and kind of advocated for common sense and truth and transparency. And again, it wasn't easy. And we want to remind you all what they did to them, which was horrible, the lies that were told about them. And I think you made a good point, Rachel. Time has been vindication for so many of the truth seekers in this conversation. Can I say, there was women who were

missing their periods or women in menopause who were getting their periods after taking the vaccine and they were told that it wasn't happening. And then a year later they go, okay, yeah, it was happening, but don't worry about it. It didn't mean anything, but you know, remember, believe women that they didn't, Why would I lie about my period? Like, it's so dumb like that, what they did to us. And then when I get what I really loved about Ron Johnson was probably the most vilified, ignored and censored group of all during covid were people who had a vaccine injury. Yes, right.

No one wanted to stand with them. Their stories. In fact, we did a story of a woman who was so pro vaccine. She was an engineer and her husband was a doctor or scientist. She actually put her three children into the vaccine trials. Yes. Which, I mean, there's no way in a million years I would. But she did it with the

best of intentions because she really believed that the vaccine would save people and she put her own kids in the trial and one of the kids had a neuro neurological problem she couldn't walk no one from the biden administration called her no one from pfizer wanted to follow up with her from any of the pharmaceutical companies. And she was on her own. Her plumbing was all messed up. Her motor skills were all messed up. I mean, really kind of a tragic, tragic situation.

And they were left. They were abandoned by everybody who was excited about the vaccine. They were abandoned, ignored, told that the little girl was imagining it. And there were lots of other people who had these problems. And no one wanted to stand by them except for Ron Johnson. That is why I love that man. And I think that's why we've done a lot of love right here on him because we're so grateful for it. I think he's the greatest Senator in that body. He truly is. And again, I think that's why it's kind of uncommon in Wisconsin to have a Senator. It's not because he's from Wisconsin. No, no, I know what I'm saying, but I'm saying in Wisconsin, to win a third term like

this is somewhat challenging. Really? Yeah, it's hard, right. I didn't know that. I thought he would have the power of incumbency. And especially as a Republican, it's even harder in a state like Wisconsin. And I think Ron Johnson is going to prevail because of what he's done, because of the truth he's tried to tell. So, again, I want to thank him for coming on and sharing a little bit with us from a little bit to Joe Biden. I mean, Joe Biden has screwed up things so much that Ron Johnson and all Republicans look better in the cycle as well. That is true that Joe Biden has played for all the play. He has been he has been destroying America,

but helping the Republican Party win seats in the House and the Senate. That is true. Well, we've enjoyed the conversation. Ron was awesome. He really was awesome. I know. Sorry I keep loving on him, but I can't help it. And if you did too, if you like this conversation, let us know.

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