From the Kitchen Table: The Duffys - South Bronx’s Love For Former President Trump Spells Big Trouble For POTUS

Episode Date: May 25, 2024

Various polls show that more Black and Hispanic voters are favoring former President Donald Trump over President Biden as their pick in the 2024 Presidential Election. When the former President headed uptown to the South Bronx, a traditionally Democratic and predominantly Hispanic neighborhood in New York City -- the turnout seemed to overwhelmingly reflect that.   The Duffys share their thoughts on former President Trump's campaign rally in the South Bronx and why the once deeply blue neighborhood is getting sprinkled with hints of red.  Follow Sean & Rachel on X: @SeanDuffyWI & @RCamposDuffy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey everyone, welcome to From the Kitchen Table. I'm Sean Duffy, along with my co-host for the podcast, my partner in life, and my wife, Rachel Campos. Duffy? Sean, it's great to be back. And I've been visiting the Bronx these days. You have been? Me and the president.

And I'll tell you what. So you told me you were going to go to the Bronx. The day before the president went. And I wasn't sure what you were going to get. I was actually interested. You were doing man-on-the-street interviews. And I kept calling you because I was like, I wonder what's happening and what kind of reception you were getting and what people thought actually on the street. Because there's nothing better than going out and meeting people and seeing people on the street.

I saw that in Congress. You saw this. I was a substitute. You see these polls, Sean. You see these polls that show Blacks and Hispanics moving towards Donald Trump away from the Democrat Party, away from Joe Biden. But it's just an entirely different thing to actually go and experience it. So this was the day before Donald Trump was going to go. And the message out that the Democrats were putting out there was, you know, they're trying to scare Donald Trump from going.

And they said, you're not welcome in the Bronx. You're not going to be welcome there, which is not an unreasonable thing to say. No. Right. I mean, this is deep blue. So I believe in 2016, 10 percent of people in the Bronx voted for Donald Trump. That's right. Then 2020, he increased by four points to 16 percent. So I was thinking, okay, if we're lucky, this is going to be a 50, 50 thing. Now, let me, let me be completely transparent about how we set up this, this trip to the Bronx, me and Fox and friends. I went and I met with like four, four or five people that we had pre-interviewed. Okay, so these were people that we knew were from the Bronx and were unhappy with Joe Biden.

So one of them was a pastor, Pastor Rubin, who had been on Fox before. I interviewed his wife. I interviewed just people that they knew that were part of this, what I thought was very fledgling Trump support in the Bronx. So we did those interviews. Then one of the guys, um, there is a young YouTuber. His name is Lou Valentino. If you haven't seen him, he's on YouTube. He's got like 400,000 followers. Um, he's from that neighborhood. And I said, you know, I really want to just get a feel for the,

the, the people on the street. He says, I'll take you down to this corner. That's a few blocks from where, um, where the, uh, uh, rally is going to be tomorrow. And we have a security guard with us. Now our security guard is wearing a t-shirt. He's a beefy guy. He's got tattoos on his neck. And he was like, I don't feel comfortable going down there with you guys. And he's like, no, we'll be fine. And I'm like, we're going to be fine. Let's just go down there. So we went down there, and it was really helpful to have Lou with us.

There was another gentleman with us. But the point with that is the security guard was concerned about your security. His job is my safety. It's much easier for him for me to leave the Bronx, have those few interviews, and just leave because then his job is done. Nothing happened. But you know better. You know you have to go see real people. Right.

I'm like, I'm going to do my job. I want to get random people. And not that these interviews weren't valuable. They were. These are people who are, all of them were Democrats, by the way, everybody I interviewed was a Democrat. It just was that these were out, um, Trump supporters. So now I want to see what would happen if I, if I talked to random people on the corner

in this, in this neighborhood. And so, um, Lou took me down there. I was there, um, with our producers and just, you know, asking people if they talked to me, Sean, with the exception of one person, a an African-American woman who's in a wheelchair, who frankly didn't look like she was all with it. She was just on the side of the side of the street in a wheelchair. She's the only one who said anything negative about Trump. Everybody else was. I'm so glad he's coming.

I'm voting for him. We're welcoming him with open arms. I'm so glad he's in the Bronx. Nobody comes here. They loved him. I met a small business owner who actually went into a barbershop and the guy was getting his haircut and I interviewed him and he said, listen, I have a little business. And Trump was the only one who was saying to leave our businesses open during COVID. They shut us down. It was horrible. Nobody stood up for the little guy. And that's the other thing I kept hearing. He's for the little guy. He's for the little guy. Then I was surprised at how many of them, I expected inflation and crime. I expected that. I mean, look, I was in a neighborhood where my own security guard didn't really want me to be at.

So I knew crime was an issue. But the people who were really the number one on crime were women. The women that I interviewed said, we don't feel safe walking down the street. We don't feel safe walking down the street. So that was a big deal. But also, they were associating crime with illegal immigration. And you heard Donald Trump at the rally yesterday talking about that as well, saying, you know, the city already had crime. Now we have this new layer of crime on top of what's not being dealt with well because of Alvin Bragg and all these liberal policies. But we now have

immigrant, illegal immigrant crime, migrant crime, and these people were attested to that. I was absolutely blown away in a majority Hispanic area that the Hispanics, without a doubt, with no hesitation were like, we're mad about illegal immigration. The border is a big issue for Democrat Latinos in the Bronx. That is an astounding thing.

And again, Sean, you remember when Donald Trump started running, I mean, every consultant in any consultant worth any money, you know, would have said, you're going to the Bronx. Do not talk about illegal immigration. Oh, no, this is top issue for them. We'll have more of this conversation after this. Precise, personal, powerful. It's America's weather team in the palm of your hands. Get Fox weather updates throughout your busy day, every day. Subscribe and listen now at Fox News Podcasts dot com or wherever you get your podcasts. And what's interesting is that that with the Hispanic community, which Democrats thought they could they could play to the Hispanic community by opening up our borders.

Well, if you weren't for that, you must be a racist. Right. And so here you see that the Hispanics like actually know that we see more crime. We see a lot more of community resources going to illegals when we have real needs in our own community. So I watched your interview on Fox and Friends, and then I watched Donald Trump come on stage. Yeah. Did he come on live during your show? He did. And we went right to him as he came to the mic. But right before that, I saw what happened right before he took the mic.

I believe it was right before he took the mic. You mentioned Pastor Ruben. So Pastor Ruben came on stage, and he had his white cowboy hat on. I think he's Puerto Rican. He wears a little polo tie. Yep. And he said, I almost brought me to tears. And they played it again this morning.

I didn't hear it, because I was on my way to tears. To our daughter's confirmation. But what happened? And he in essence said, I'm a black Puerto Rican with frizzy hair, with broken English, and I'm a Democrat. And I endorse you, Mr. President. And he did it so amazingly well. It was like literally was he was saying it, I was like, I was almost brought to tears. Yeah. And he's a power player in that community. This is what I want to talk about why this was so important, right? So we're a big country.

And you might go, well, who cares about the Bronx? By the way, I've never been to the Bronx. But what happened in the Bronx, and if you saw the video footage, and Lawrence Jones made this point this morning, he's like, when I go to Trump rallies, there's a handful of people that look like me. Right? He went to this rally, and everybody looks like Lawrence. It was Hispanics and blacks, and he was like, and there was a few white people sprinkled in there. But he's like, something is happening. And by the way, AOC was out saying, but he's like, something is happening.

And by the way, AOC was out saying, oh, they're busing people in. And that's why I think it was so important that I went the day before, Sean. I went the day before and I took the temperature on a corner of random dozens of random people. And I couldn't find anybody who was mentally stable except one lady who wasn't saying, in the very least, I'm open-minded to this. I'm open to this. This is massive, Sean. This is unheard of. And, you know, it's interesting.

Yesterday, I was on the radio with our daughter, who has her own radio show. Well, she was filling in on radio. Yeah, she was filling in. She was filling in for damn bunch you know and um her and the other co-hosts were asking me you know what does this mean for other republicans can you know is this a is this an opening for other republicans and i had to be honest and say i don't know there is something very unique about donald trump that i don't think these people think of him as a Republican. First of all, he used to be a Democrat for most of his life himself. He can relate to becoming a Republican. They see him as a celebrity. They see him as a businessman. They see him as a former

president. And now they also see him as somebody that the system is trying to take down. And that is something they can relate to. And that is something that, you know, this court trial that he's having, these trials are just down the street and they're hearing about it. And a lot of them are saying to me, A, I don't know, this is what they told me on the streets in the Bronx.

I've been following this trial. I can't tell you what the crime is. I'm confused. I don't know what they're doing. And others are saying, we're Hispanic. We've seen this kind of political persecution before. This looks like the kind of crap that we left our countries, other countries for. To come here and see this here is scary. They don't like it. They think he's being persecuted. They can relate to the system sort of working against you. And I think that this has been a fail in terms of, at least when it comes to the Hispanic community,

I think this is going to backfire. So you asked a question about, is this an opening for Republicans? We talked about that on the radio. And I would say, yes, it is a hundred percent. And I would say, yes, it is 100 percent. But Donald Trump was not bound by any Republican conservative ideology. Yes. He was bound by going, I'm going to do what it takes. I'm going to break what it takes to make an economy work for everybody. I'm going to break the ideological rules and all like, you know, just in case in point, Republicans believe in free trade and I believe in free trade. Right. And so when Donald Trump said, I'm going to put tariffs on Mexico if they don't help us secure a border or he actually did put tariffs on China, that like freaks conservative Republicans out who have bought into the ideology. It freaks the chamber

of commerce out. It freaks out the business class. However, what Donald Trump recognized was this trade, we were calling it free trade, but it was not at all fair. We were letting people sell their products in our country when those same countries wouldn't allow us to sell our products in their country. And Donald Trump said, and I'm sorry, And by the way, you're taking our businesses, you're taking our manufacturing, you're taking our jobs, you're taking our revenue source, you're taking our livelihoods. I'm not going to stand for it. And he pushed back. I mean, for this, he's the first guy who recognized even China as a problem and fought them.

And I think people were so happy about that. So grateful to him for that. And I've oftentimes said that I think it's important that Donald Trump go to a black church, right? Because if you don't ask people for their votes, they're not going to vote for you. And he trumped me. Trump trumped me by doing this speech in the Bronx. And make no mistake, this was not a speech just for the Bronx. America tuned in, social media tuned into what happened. And the message that Donald speech just for the Bronx. America tuned in. Social media tuned in to what happened. And the message that Donald Trump gave in the Bronx ricochets throughout the community.

And people hear that message to go, you know what? People that are like me went to that rally and they love him. Maybe it's okay for me to reconsider my ideological prism. Of course. Sean, this was so amazing.

And I'll tell you what it took a lot of guts like you said hillary clinton has gone to church black churches in chicago remember when she did that crazy speech where she acted like she put on a black you know accent it was crazy um but politicians have done that that's a little bit of a controlled atmosphere because the church can control who comes in and who's out. To put yourself in a park in the middle of the Bronx, in a district that has never, even on your best year, only 20% of them have voted for you. And most of the people who probably voted for you probably did it on the down low. Right?

Yeah. They weren't out and proud like Pastor Rubin. You're putting yourself there. You can be heckled. By the way, this guy's life is always in danger. And this is in the safest neighborhood. No, he's got secret

service, he's got all that. But still, he's out there. He knows because he's announced he's going to show up there for this event, that the left is organizing, that the left has done like a big, they've taken all their Gaza protesters and they've now redirected the buses and the money and the organization efforts over to here to do a counter protest. And that goes back to why I think it was so important I was there the day before, because

I knew when I went there and I got that temperature of how hot they were for Donald Trump, I was there the day before because I knew when I went there and I got that temperature of how hot they were for Donald Trump, I was like, whatever protests, counter protests come in here tomorrow are going to be AstroTurf. They are going to be George Soros organizations. It's going to be a bunch of college kids, a bunch of paid actors coming in here. And sure enough, you know, AOC is trying to say, oh, these people were bussed in. All the the the the attendees, the attendees of the rallies, the people who came to see Donald Trump. She's trying to say they were bussed in. B.S. I know that's not true.

The busing is of those now, you know, rent a protest from the George Soros network that redirected their buses over to Brooklyn. I mean, to the Bronx. So the questions were asked. Last night at the rally. Anyone see any buses? Has anybody been bused in? Have you guys seen where the buses are at? And everyone's like, no.

And they're like, where are you from? I'm from the Bronx. Like everyone was from the Bronx. There might have been some people from other areas because that happens. If you've been wanting to see Donald Trump and you're an hour away, you might come. But that was not organized in any way, shape or form. So here's what I loved about the speech as well. Donald Trump did not curate a new speech with a new message, with new ideas for the Bronx. He came and gave the Donald Trump message on immigration, on inflation, on foreign policy, on crime, on the border. He he laid into the speech and people loved it. He didn't go like, listen, I get you're all immigrants and I love immigrants. He said no.

Illegal immigration, he didn't pander at all. What I also liked what he did, Rachel, is... You're so right because all the consultants would have said, just touch on immigration, but lighter touch because these are black and brown people.

Yeah, he doesn't do that. By the way, Sean, his message is the same as it was in 2015 when he was on the campaign trail. Hasn't changed. What else, what I love that he did was he talked about how great the city used to be. Yeah. That it was the center of culture and commerce. And it was great. It was growing. And glamorous. And how far it's fallen. And I think it was important to remind people

it always hasn't been like this. Not too long ago, we were proud of our city. Yeah. We were proud of our streets. We were proud of our innovation and our jobs and what we,

the world knew New York. Yes. He reminded them of that and told them we can do it again. of our innovation and our jobs and what we, the world knew New York. Yes. He reminded them of that and told them we can do it again. We can make it happen again. He even said, I'm going to work with Governor Hochul. I'm going to work with Mayor Adams. I like that too, Sean. We are going to clean this blank hole up.

He didn't say that. That was my phraseology. But we're going to clean it up. We're going to make it better for you. That is a message that one makes people're going to clean it up. We're going to make it better for you. That is a message that one makes people proud of where they come from. Because it wasn't that long ago that it was great.

And you know what? What happened, Sean? Listen, Donald Trump has been rich his whole life. And so he lives in Trump Tower. He was part of that whole Studio 54 scene. You know, he is whatever glamour

and riches that the city has to offer. Donald Trump is part of that set. And usually what's happened is the people who live in that little cocoon of elites and the way they enjoy the city, which is

totally different than the way the rest of the they enjoy the city, which is totally different than the way the rest of the people enjoy the city. Or don't enjoy the city. Or don't enjoy the city. You know, they have their black cars that drive them here and drop them off in front of their fancy penthouse apartments that have doormen. They never see the crime. They never have to worry about anything. They don't ride the subway. And yet he, Donald Trump is going into the Bronx saying, I want New York to be good for you too. I want New York to be good for you too. He talked about the subway. He talked about how crappy it is. He didn't make excuses for how dirty it is. Tiles are falling off the tiles and falling. And you know, one of the things he likes everything

to be kind of beautiful, you know, so it offends his senses and he is not an elitist. That is the one thing that you picked up from this. Yeah. He enjoys his money. Just like if you handed those millions to anybody in that crowd, they would enjoy their money too. But he is not an elitist. He wants everybody to enjoy the city.

He wants the city, everyone to be proud of the city. And he doesn't think it should just be that the rich get to live in the city a certain way and everybody else to hell with them. He went to the Bronx and he said, I'm going to get rid of crime. I'm going to make this place beautiful again. And he reminded them of the buildings that, you know, and the regulations and the red tape of the city that he was always been able to overcome to make things happen. He is an elite, but not an elitist. That's right. It's important. It's a great distinction. You know, again, I want to go back to why is Donald Trump in the Bronx? Right. So just take

a step back. Candidates only have a limited amount of time. There's only so many days between today and election day. Right? And you don't get more days. God doesn't give you more between now and then. It's planned out, like, tediously, isn't it? I mean, I think about your campaign schedule, Sean. Yeah, and you have to use those days wisely. And so where do you go to campaign? Now, the places are the six swing states that you go to. It's Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia, Arizona, Nevada, and maybe North Carolina. Those are the places that are going to decide this race, right? But Donald Trump did two things in the last two weeks. He went to southern New Jersey,

went to Wildwood, right? And now he's in the Bronx. And the question becomes, why in the hell would you ever go to those places? Because your time is better spent going to the swing states. And the reason that Donald Trump is going to these places right around New York City is that Alvin Bragg and Democrats have tied him up in court. Right. So he has to stay close. Yeah. And because of that, he went to Wildwood and he went to the Bronx. I think Democrats this morning are going, we made a big mistake. You think they're saying this is a mistake? We should never let that alley cat out in our block, because now we've seen, I mean, 60 to 100000 people in Wildwood in New Jersey. Yeah, that's a Republican part of New Jersey.

And yes, it butts up to Philadelphia. But the crowd he got in the Bronx, this is shocking them. They don't want him there. They don't want those images, those pictures, those interviews of black and Hispanic Democrats saying, I'm going to vote for Trump. That is, I mean, they are sweating cold sweat this morning. He never would have done it.

He never would have done these things if he wasn't forced to stay in their city. And now I think they are regretting the day they ever planned and plotted this stupid case against Donald Trump. And you compare it. I think they're going to get, they're probably going to convict him. So they go, yeah, you're going to get an argument, you know, former president convicted felon, Donald Trump, they're all, they're all going to say that that compared to what Donald Trump is doing in the community. I don't think it's even exchange. Donald Trump is winning the war against Democrats, little snares they've set forth. So to your point, Sean, here's what AOC said about when this is prior to the rally, a few days before he went into the Bronx.

This is AOC explaining this. He's doing it in the South Bronx, not to make a point, but because he's got court. And the man practically has the legal version of an ankle bracelet around him and he can't leave the five boroughs because he always has to be in court. And so it is truly an embarrassment to him. And I am looking forward to the response of everyday Bronxites talking about how they feel about him coming to their back.

Boy, that did not age well. By the way, in response to that video. AOC said that before the rally. She had no idea what was going to happen. Before the rally, after she said that, Marjorie Taylor Greene tweeted that little clip out. And she said, Marjorie Taylor Greene said, remember last week when I said AOC is not intelligent? She just proved my point. AOC admits the Democrats' lawfare against Trump is like an electronic ankle monitor, limiting its ability to campaign.

That's called election interference. Election interference. Baby girl. Okay, so that's a reference back to their little spat in that hearing where AOC said baby girl over to Marjorie Taylor Greene. So, first of all, an admission that this was a strategy, that he has an ankle monitor on in their view. He should be ashamed. But he does not have an ankle monitor.

No, he does not. It's a metaphor. It's a metaphor. It was a metaphor. And that he can't leave the five euros because he's got to come back to court. So I think you're so right, Sean. He said, all right, I'm stuck here. So remember, he went to fire stations.

He's been meeting with union people. He went to Wildwood. Now he's gone to the Bronx. He went to the bodega. He went to the bodega where the guy had to fight off the thief. And Alvin Bragg, too. And Alvin Bragg. And listen, that was brought up to me quite a bit by the people that I interviewed.

They brought up the bodega. That's meaningful to them. They're like, what? Somebody came in and robbed an old elderly man, and the old elderly man goes to jail for defending his store. So these are I think that what Donald Trump is doing and I don't know, like is New York in play? I don't know. I'm telling you what, the Bronx is in play. And if Donald Trump wins the Bronx, I mean, this is just like mind blowing. I'll tell you this, too, Sean. What you said is so powerfully true.

this too, Sean. What you said is so powerfully true. The image of black and brown people on their own showing up for a rally like this is going viral across the internet. I'm about to sneeze. I think I have to sneeze. I love when she sneezes. I'm going to take a side note here. Rachel has been burning the candle at all ends. I have been. And she's been a little bit sick and a little bit tired. But I said, no, we're going to keep winning in the podcast. We're going to keep winning in the podcast. We're going to keep going.

We're going to go do our Friday Q&A. Listen, Sean, I think you're right. I think they are waking up in a cold sweat and they're going, holy crap, what have we done? We have actually put an image to the polls. We've put a visual to the polls in the Bronx. And that is dangerous for them. That is so dangerous. And Sean, by the way, it's not just the impact on this election. If these poll numbers turn into votes for Donald Trump and Donald Trump wins because of black and brown votes that have come in for him, black Americans, Hispanic Americans. What happens is, and this is what happened in my

own family. My father was a lifelong Democrat. It was like, you're Mexican, you're a Democrat. I mean, it's just a, it's just a given. And then in the, in the seventies, we had the sort of Jimmy Carter malaise a lot feeling like the Joe Biden days. Right. And my dad was in the 70s, we had the sort of Jimmy Carter malaise, a lot feeling like the Joe Biden days, right? And my dad was in the military and he cast his first vote for Republican, starting it with Ronald Reagan in 1980. And he just voted based on the issues that time. But then during the 80s, my dad started, once he cast that vote, it opened his mind up. And he's like, you know, I'm going to look into who are these Republicans or why am I a Democrat? And he did that social. He was like, my values are way more aligned with the Republican Party.

And he discarded what he was told about Republicans and looked into it. Listen, now he has he's a life. Now's a republican my my mom is a republican all his kids are republicans all their kids are all their kids are all because one mexican military man said i'm gonna take a second look that's right and so just think about the danger that is because what you basically are turning in the 2024 election, you could turn in, turn a bunch of formerly Democrat voters into at least swing voters, which is dangerous for the Democrats. So you mentioned, that's the thing they kept saying, Sean, they take our vote for granted. So Democrats view this morning, again, you said, we talked about them having cold sweats.

What they feel like is we have unleashed COVID-19 on the American people is unleashing Donald Trump. He's unstoppable, right? That's because they hate him when they hated COVID-19 or they kind of hated it. And so that's the viewpoint. But here's what we're going to do. I'm going to tell you what this means for the next weeks and months leading up to the election. What happened last night, right after this break. Okay, welcome back to the kitchen table. So let me tell you what's going to happen, right? Republicans, as we've stated, don't go to brown and black neighborhoods.

They just don't, right? Donald Trump went last night, and it went really well for him. He wasn't booed. He wasn't hissed. There weren't massive protests. Right. Donald Trump went last night and it went really well for him. He wasn't booed. He wasn't hissed. There were massive protests. He wasn't, you know, shunned off the stage. It went really well. So here's what's going to happen is you're going to see him in Atlanta. You're going to see him in Milwaukee. You're going to see him in Milwaukee. You're going to see him in Detroit. He's going to go and do rallies in the places he was never supposed to go to. Make no mistake,

the Bronx is one of the most liberal areas in the country. You mentioned 90% in 2016 voted for Hillary Clinton. 85% voted for, 85% of the electorate voted for Joe Biden in 2020. This is deep, deep blue. And Donald Trump got a King's welcome as he came in. I want to talk about New York for a second. So New York is a 60-40 state, right? Democrats win with 60%, Republicans might get 40% of the vote. Now, Lee Zeldin ran for governor and and Kathy Hochul beat him by, you know, three points, four points. She beat. Really? Yeah, it was close. Really close. Closer than Democrats would have liked. So right now, the polling has Donald Trump only down by nine points in New York, in the state of New York, not the city. And the key for Democrats winning the state of New York is massive victories in the boroughs of New York City. Of course, that's not what they always do, right? They offset the rural votes with the city votes. And so what's going to happen is you don't have to win the Bronx. You don't have to win Manhattan. You don't have to win these places.

But if you take it from, you know, a 35 percent Republican vote and you move it to a 40 percent vote for Republicans. Guess what? Donald Trump wins New York. I thought he was really like, you know, what an exaggerator and a bluster is. Like, I thought when he said i'm gonna i'm gonna win new york like i thought that was just like he's only nine points dragging like no you're saying this is actually listen if you make me bet money i'm not gonna bet that he wins new york right but here's what happens if if the polls continue to tighten in new york and Jersey, what happens is Democrats now have to spend money and manpower to defend

a state that should be theirs. And the money and the manpower they spend to preserve and protect their victory in New York, that's money and manpower they can't spend in Wisconsin or Michigan or Pennsylvania. So it's all about the resources and how they and how this all plays out. I know you say they're breaking out of cold sweat today. And I think they maybe they are. Maybe maybe they are. But to me, they seem for how bad this is going. I saw it, by the way, Sean, I was on Stuart Vardy show earlier this morning, and he played some clips from Donald Trump's speech. And then he played this press conference that Joe Biden had with the Kenyan president. And it was so bad. And you know what I said to what I said to Stuart?

I said, did you ever read the book The Emperor's New Clothes? Like everybody in that room is playing the emperor's new clothes like like shame on all these media people who are sitting there pretending like this is flipping normal and so you have this candidate that's like practically catatonic like he's just like he's out of it unless they give him drugs he's not not functioning well. And and you see you're seeing this momentum for Donald Trump. They seem still too calm for that. And of course, you know, Democrats like to cheat. And that's kind of like part of like part of the thing that makes me nervous.

So which Donald Trump says that has to be the victory has to be too big to rig. It has to be too big to rig. So you made an interesting point. So let me just back up. So you're seeing more Democrats talk about if you want to beat Donald Trump, Joe Biden's not really the guy. And the clips from that interview with the Kenyan president, I actually felt bad. president. I actually felt bad. If I take away the politics, my anger at Joe Biden of what he's done to this country and what he's done to Republicans, how he's made partisan everything in the federal government, I take that away. And as just a human being, I felt bad for the man

being put in situations that he can't navigate and he couldn't navigate it. He was confused last night. So let me break this down why this matters. Okay. There's a growing call to have someone else win at the convention. Okay. So what has Joe Biden done? He and his team to stave off those calls, He and his team to stave off those calls. They've set up a debate with Donald Trump at the end of June. Right. Before the convention to basically put all the Democrats mind at ease that Joe Biden is the man to beat Trump and win four more years. Was that to put people at ease or was that to go, OK, if this goes wrong, there's still time before the convention to remove him? No. So this was a risky play on their part, right? You'd want to,

you'd think, why wouldn't you do that after the convention? But I think internally they're concerned he may not make it to the convention unless he shows that he can go toe-to-toe with Donald Trump. Now he may fail, right? Which I suspect he very well may. And if he does, he's out anyway. But I think they're nervous that Democrats are looking for a different choice at the convention other than Joe Biden, who is so flailing and failing. Otherwise, it doesn't make any sense. Why do you have a debate in June, right? Before people go to the polls early, you want to have debates so people get to see the two candidates go head to head so they can make their decisions. But June, it's about the Democrat convention. So explain again,

because that doesn't even make sense to me. So Joe Biden and his team, they're nervous that Democrats right now are looking for a new choice. So they think that putting him on the stage, that they're going to just jack him up with drugs enough to make him seem like a shot in the ass. And and he's got to perform. He's got to set the Democrats mind at ease, because I think internally, more than what we see on the news internally, Democrat power brokers, they are concerned about his performance, his ability to communicate, his ability to walk. And his policies have been so bad for the American people. So this is Joe Biden's attempt to go, no, I'm going to show everybody that I can do it.

I'm going to have the debate before our convention. That's why. Nobody thinks he can go another four years. People go, okay, maybe he'll make it through the election. Well, of course, that's why they want Kamala Harris. Kamala Harris will be historic for them. So if Joe Biden's elected, they're going to very quickly push him out and elevate Kamala, as I think the plan is. Yeah, they don't think she can get elected, but they think she would still be that glass ceiling breaker. I want you to talk about one thing that you discussed with me that we haven't talked about you said um in your discussions when you were in the bronx someone talked to you about the five boroughs and

republican boroughs versus democrat boroughs what was that conversation that was fascinating because you heard aoc say well he can only stay in these five boroughs and, you know, because he's got this ankle bracelet and blah, blah, blah. So I believe it was Pastor Rubens actually who said that to me. He said, listen, there are five bureaus. Four of them are run 100% by Democrats, 100%. The only other bureau that is Staten Island and Staten Island is Republican run. bureau that is staten island and staten island is republican run and it's the only one of the five bureaus that has good schools and opportunities and low crime and is like a great place to live and i do know people from staten island they say the same thing they love it there

um and so they're recognizing they're recognizing leadership right gives you and they look over across to staten island go huh yeah these crazy republicans who are supposed to demonize it actually looks pretty nice over there they do a pretty good job running their communities and but yeah so and i think what what they see in their boroughs is probably what they see in the country as a whole with democrat leadership um because there's no better example sean And this is why it's so brilliant that Donald Trump, you know, by a twist of fate,

is stuck here. He's stuck in New York. And so what he's done is he's put the spotlight on New York and go, all right, I'm here. The media light is on me. Well, let me shine it back on you guys. Let me show you what New York is like.

And New York is like a microcosm of what Democrats do wherever they go. I mean, you can look at California. They ruin everything. They ruin everything. Wherever they go, they ruin shit. And they break stuff. And they don't build stuff. And, you know, even the stuff that Donald Trump was talking about on stage,

that he built and he did this and this. None of those things have been happening lately. I mean, if anything, the buildings are getting shut down. Thanks to COVID, companies are like, you know what? It may not be good for the mental health of my people that work for me to go to the office, but it's way better for my bottom line.

So everyone's remote. And these, you know, and add crime and fentanyl and now migrants taking over the once beautiful tourist areas of, you know, you know, that places where tourists used to stay in these beautiful hotels. They're now being I mean, I don't want to go there. I don't know what's going on in there. I mean, like it's gross. They're cooking food inside the hotel rooms and crazy stuff that's happening. The city is absolutely disgusting. And I have been coming to New York City for the last nine years, back and forth. I have seen its decline. And since Joe Biden has been in office, that decline has just accelerated to a level that I never thought was possible. So can I give you one other just small layer of...

Sure. Everyday Americans, Democrats, even some lefties are going, this is too much for me. I don't want to live like this. So think back to when, back to 2020, when we had all of the protests with Black Lives Matters. And Antifa. Antifa, one of the biggest plays they were making was in Portland.

Yes. They were attacking the federal building. There were months, every night there were protests, every single night, right? Yeah, I remember. And nothing seemed to happen to the Antifa protesters. They would actually get arrested, and then they would be released the very same day. Some of them arrested and released, you know, six, seven, eight times. backed DA who basically was at war with the police and in love with the criminals and has helped create the chaos of Portland. The radical voters of Portland, far left voters of Portland, guess what happened? They voted out their Soros-backed DA that has brought so much crime and criminality to their community. For someone who was like, you know what, I'm going to bring law and order, I'm going to

repair the relationship with the cops. People are looking for something else. People don't want this anymore. And even when you mentioned New York and things that people aren't building things anymore, Rachel, it's because the builders, the creators don't want to live in that filth and crime ridden city. They're going to other places. They're going to Florida and Tennessee and Texas.

They're leaving these crappy places and building and innovating somewhere else. We're even kicking out the prosecutors who have done this in radical Portland. So things are changing. Things are changing. But you know what's not changing, Sean? The Democrats. The Democrats are not seeing any of these things happening and saying we're going to change course. Just a case in point, there was the state dinner for the Kenyan president and his wife at the White House.

Guests of honor at the state dinner included George Soros,os um his son george soros's son alex who is now dating huma abedin i mean have you ever seen a match more made in hell than huma abedin and alex soros um but there you go those were the and and by the way melinda gates um you know all the uh all the uh funders, radical players. I mean, like, yeah, so this is also they're not changing course. I mean, my point is they're seeing what's happening with Donald Trump and their reaction to it is probably how can we rig this so we still win? How can we censor things so that people don't hear the truth? But none of it is how do we switch our

policies how do we move to the center how do we stop how do we get rid of the crazies who are directing our policies so to that point uh democrats had a uh had their their their migration and border security bill that will do nothing to secure the border it'll actually solidify and lock into law open borders uh it was a bipartisan failure when it came up a couple months ago. Chuck Schumer wants to bring it back. He's not going to modify the bill to actually make the bill work to secure our borders. Because if you go to the Bronx, even the people in the Bronx, the Democrats in the Bronx care about illegal immigration. They're not going to change the bill. They're not going to make the bill work to secure the border. They're going to bring the same bill up that failed a couple months ago and vote on it again,

not because they want to fix the border, not because they're getting what's happening across America, Rachel. What they want is a political issue. They want to say, listen, Republicans stopped this bill. Well, we talked about this on the podcast before. Joe Biden signed over 90 executive orders to open up the border. All he has to do is reverse those executive orders, go back to Trump policies, and it won't be perfect, but it'll be a lot better. Ron Johnson was talking about this, going, listen, we're not going to support this bill because it's not going to, it's not even status quo, it's going to make the border worse. It's not going to make it better. So if Democrats were concerned about making it better, they could negotiate with Republicans to go,

you know, what are some serious things we could do to fix this problem? They have no interest in fixing the problem. To your point, the light bulb has not gone on for Democrats. Now, if they get crushed in this election, they may have to rethink how they're engaging. But they're just going to listen. I mean, that's the whole other problem, Sean. The whole other problem is even if Donald Trump wins fair and square, he wins, he manages

this. Everyone's afraid of what's going to happen after. They are not going to let it stand. I mean, that's the question that everyone has. You remember back in 2020, it's hard to remember back because all the emphasis has been on January 6th. But what happened before the election? All the business owners were putting, you know, plywood up on their businesses because they were afraid that their windows were going to get smashed.

They knew there was going to be a riot like 2020. The streets were going to be on fire. That's what Democrats do when they lose. I don't know. Also, Sean, they've already lined up all their lawyers. um they have there is an actual a network now of of of political lawyers ready to sue no matter what happens on the part of the democrats they're not going to let this stand i'm every people are afraid if he doesn't get elected people are afraid if he does get elected because the powers that be will not let this stand it doesn't feel like america anymore

things have changed so much we didn't used to be like this this the woke mind virus um has infected um all parts of our institutions and law schools are such a big part of it oh god because you have all these radical uh obama's gotten in 200 which then lead to radical prosecutors and radical judges, and you don't get a fair shake in the system. And that's part of it. When you don't trust the system, and the system to be fair to you when dispensing justice, you lose all faith in your former government. So listen.

But there was some hope. I think the Bronx was a ray of hope. The Bronx, you saw Americans of every color united saying, we want to make the country great again. We want to make the Bronx great again. We want to make New York great again. We want to make America great again. And that was reassuring that people are waking up, whether the system allows the process to work. So I'm going to give you one last set of all, not to throw too many numbers out,

but Donald Trump got roughly 12% of the black vote in 2020. Right now he's pulling at 23%, right? So he's getting still crushed by Democrats, right? It's, this is a significant, black Americans are voting for Democrats and Joe Biden. But if Donald Trump can move the number from 12% of 2020, now he doesn't need 23% of the black vote. If he gets 16, 17% of the black vote, wrap it up.

Joe Biden's done because that's all he needs in Michigan and in Wisconsin and in Georgia. On top of that, we see that the Hispanic vote is... all he needs in Michigan and in Wisconsin and in Georgia. On top of that, we see that the Hispanic vote is... Yeah, Hispanic numbers kind of came up. So I think Joe Biden, I'm sorry, Donald Trump got 36% of the Hispanic vote in 2020. Big number for him. Right now, Donald Trump's getting 50% of the Hispanic vote. Again, he doesn't need 50%. If the Hispanic vote votes for Donald Trump at about 42%, right, he increases his numbers from 2020 by five or six points, wrap it up,

the race is over. So small movements in these two groups have massive implications on the outcome of the next election, which is why when I said Democrats woke up this morning in a cold sweat with what they saw last night in the Bronx, it's these reasons. Donald Trump does not have to win these communities, but he improves by five, six, seven points in each of them. Democrats, go home. You're not going to win. Fascinating. Listen, great conversation. We loved watching Listen, great conversation. We loved watching the speech last night. Loved seeing your interviews down there, Rachel.

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