From the Kitchen Table: The Duffys - Thanksgiving Around The Duffy's Kitchen Table

Episode Date: November 25, 2022

On this episode, Sean and Rachel are joined by their daughter, and writer at the Federalist, Evita Duffy, to discuss the history of Thanksgiving and why it is important to celebrate the heritage of the United States.   Later, Evita explains why she believes the Left has gone to great lengths to demonize Thanksgiving, the importance of gathering for the holidays in a post-pandemic world, and together they share what they are grateful for. Follow Sean and Rachel on Twitter: @SeanDuffyWI & @RCamposDuffy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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So you can look and feel good about gifting and wearing them. Shop your wishlist 25% off at Mijeri.com today. Hey, everyone. Welcome to From the Kitchen Table. I'm Sean Duffy along with my co-host of the podcast, my partner in life and my wife, Rachel Campos Duffy for a Thanksgiving From the Kitchen Table special. So great to be at our kitchen table on Thanksgiving of all times. That's like, listen, everyone's around their kitchen table today. They are. They are. Or someone else's kitchen table or friends or families. We do, what, like hours of prep. And by the way, you're a good cook for a big feast to give thanks. I love Thanksgiving.

Christmas is my favorite holiday. But for Pete and Will, my co-hosts, they say it's their favorite holiday because it doesn't involve gift-giving. Just food and football. Well, I mean, Fourth of July doesn't include gift-giving. Yeah, but I mean, you know, it's like a beer holiday. It's the biggest holiday. What I love is that you see people, you know, kind of think through, you know, where am I going to celebrate this day and what friends maybe I'm going to go see or what family is going to get together. And I think today's so many lives are so busy and it's a time that we reconnect with those that are the closest to us. And I think

that's, you know, family is so important in human life, in American life. And again, this is the time that we celebrate that and give thanks for all the blessings that we have throughout the last year. Yeah. I mean, I think in last two years, some people didn't get together with their families. We broke those rules, Sean. We did. We had the grandparents over during COVID, had the grandparents over during COVID, which you weren't supposed to do, but we, so it hasn't really, it's not that different for us, but for some people it's the first time they're getting together in years, but also for some people they're finally able to get together, but they can't afford to fly their loved ones out because, or they can't afford to do the kind of dinner, Thanksgiving meal that they always

were used to because inflation and so many things are in the way. So I think it's an interesting time. You come out of the pandemic and then you have all these other challenges to getting together. And yet Americans will get together. They will. And the family kitchen table might be a little bit smaller because people couldn't afford to fly, as you mentioned, across the country to be with their loved ones. But I think this one is going

to be more special because so many people followed the Fauci rule and stayed home or, by the way, they weren't at their kitchen table. They were eating outside in the garage with masks on. I can't believe those liberals actually did that. So, but even for liberals, they're probably going to celebrate this. It might be indoors this year. The liberals are indoor this year. But many of them, Sean, are still not happy with Thanksgiving. No, they're not.

They don't like Thanksgiving. They may like the food. They may like the turkey. They may like the pie. They may like the football. But boy, they do not like American history. And so from the crowd that gave us the 1619 Project saying that our country was founded on slavery instead of freedom, they're also saying that Thanksgiving is holiday of oppression instead of what we know it to be as this moment for thankfulness. So I want to bring in our guest, first of all.

And then I want to read you a quote from a tweet from a Hollywood liberal who I think encapsulates the way a lot of liberals feel about Thanksgiving. So first, let's welcome our daughter, Evita. Evita, welcome to the kitchen. Hi, good to be here. We're sad you're not going to be with us this Thanksgiving. No, I'm not, but I'm going to be there really We're sad you're not going to be with us this Thanksgiving. No, I'm not. But I'm going to be there really soon after. Yeah.

Yes, you'll be here soon after. And you'll definitely be here for Christmas. You'll be here in spirit, I guess. You'll be here in spirit. And we're going away after New Year's, which we're excited for our little family vacation, which you'll be part of. And the problem, just so you guys know, we have to actually work through the holidays. So we have Christmas off, but there's almost every day around that.

We're doing shows and working. Yeah, we're doing things here or there. So after New Year's, we're getting away as a family. We are definitely getting away, but we're taking Christmas off and all that kind of stuff. Evita studied American history at the University of Chicago. She's graduated now. She loves American history.

That's one of the things I like about Evita. And I honestly, to be honest, Evita, I don't feel like I got the kind of American history education that I would have liked to have had. I'm actually kind of jealous of you and 70s education when they began to undo American history and start to make Americans feel bad about Thanksgiving and the pilgrims and Columbus. I mean, it just goes on and on, right? Yeah. I mean, I would say even before I was going to a good Catholic school, we had people,

teachers demonizing Thanksgiving when i was in like fourth grade fifth grade i mean they start really young so it's really sad right which is why we we're so happy to be at a catholic classical catholic academy so if you didn't you know who john leguizamo is he was in i'll name a few of the movies when i when i read the tweet to your dad he was like what movies is he in i couldn't say his name um but he was in moulin rouge he was in romeo and julia with caprio he was in encanto you know our kids love that movie in canton see if there's anyone batman didn't see that batman the riddler didn't see that he was in what any other movies you remember him in evita no i don't i'm with dad i don't

really know who he is so maybe you guys don't know i know who he is i've actually met him before um once when i when i lived in la he was dating a girl that i knew and i actually went to breakfast with him he's a nice guy but he is definitely a major major liberal so what did he say so i'm gonna read you his tweet i'm trying to pull it up here wait just trying to pull it up and so i'm not so i'm not so so tech savvy okay here's what he said he said happy indigenous survivors day f thanksgiving and you know he got a lot of retweets from a lot of liberals and a lot of i think a lot of liberals feel that way about it and you're're somebody who studied American history. What do you take, what's your take on that?

Right. I mean, it's, first of all, it's preposterous and I think it's really damaging to our, our, our cultural heritage that we have as Americans, but just looking at the facts of what happened to the pilgrims and the Indians. And was this a case of exploitation or colonizing? It's just untrue. The pilgrims came to the new world to start self-government implemented by God, not by man. They were sort of religious minorities. They were persecuted. And when they showed up in the Americas, it was tough. I mean, it was really, really difficult. And over half of the pilgrims actually ended up dying in that first winter. It was so brutal. And they needed the Indians, relied on them to help them cultivate the land and to figure

out how can we survive here. And actually, the first Thanksgiving is the benchmark of 50 years of peace between the Indians and the pilgrims, one of the longest lasting, most successful peace treaties between natives and, you know, and Europeans coming to the Americas. So I mean, it's actually a testament of peace, of goodwill, of thankfulness, of a cultural heritage that we share as americans and that they would that you have celebrities and politicians trying to discredit it trying to smear it is really really disgusting i may be wrong on this but the soil at plymouth rock was um was was not like kansas so i if my memory serves me i believe they had they the believe the natives taught them how to use fish and discarded fish and guts and bones to actually-

Fertilize. Fill into the soil and fertilize so they could actually grow crops. And this idea that they came together at the end of the harvest and celebrated the prosperity of the harvest together and gave thanks that they had food and food meant survival is a beautiful thing. And to apply today's woke liberal standards on this wonderful celebration that we still celebrate today, I think is shameful, but also a testament to how far the country has moved away from celebrating itself to now demonizing itself. Yeah. It's interesting because I have friends who are immigrants to this country. And I remember one of our friends, Gizo, really good friend of ours. He was a realtor, but he became our good

friend. He's Georgian. I love Gizo. I love him. He's from Georgia, the country of Georgia. I love him. He's from Georgia, the country of Georgia. And he just thought it was so amazing that we as Americans had a holiday where we took a day off of work just to thank God for all the things in our life. And I remember my mom's a never friend. She also had that experience. And I think sometimes we benefit from seeing America and the things we do culturally and the traditions we have through the eyes of people who are experiencing it for the first time. It's really beautiful. I mean, my mother had never had a roasted turkey before and never eaten yams before. I mean, all of the things that we did at Thanksgiving were things that my mom was so eager to learn to do because she became an American and she embraced this day and understood it for what it was. And we're robbing so many new immigrants of that love of country, that pride

that we should have, you know, in that first Thanksgiving and in what we've built as a country. we should have, you know, in that first Thanksgiving. And in what we've built as a country, I mean, that prosperity has continued. You know, when we say God shed his grace on thee, when we sing about America, it's true. I mean, this is a blessed country and there are people who want to tear it down and it's sad. And I think, you know, that's why in so many ways, those of us who continue to celebrate in that traditional spirit of Thanksgiving, I mean, we are, you know, preserving something wonderful. And I think we ought to really double down on Thanksgiving. And I tell you what, we were not allowing Fauci to end it. I totally thought that there was a lot more to that. Evita, what do you think? I just I wanted to go back to another

point that you had, then I'll talk about Fauci because he's so, but I also just want to say- He's gone. He's now gone. He'll be back for some years. Don't worry. Right. Right. I hope so. I hope Republicans do that. No, but as I said, I think that it's worse than just, oh, it's so sad. It's not in the memory of the pilgrims to smear them this way. Like, this is national suicide to teach your kids that these beautiful, wonderful stories and values that we have are actually evil and colonizing and need to be torn down. And not just teaching the next generation of Americans that, but also we're telling every other immigrant that comes in that as well. And America is a value system. I mean, we have a cultural heritage that we all buy into.

And if we do, our system works. And if we don't, and we start tearing down all these pieces of self-government, of one nation under God, I mean, all of these things, suddenly, we don't have America anymore. If we don't all buy into those shared values, into our shared history and our shared culture, it doesn't exist. So I think that it's worse than just a slap in the face to the pilgrim's memory. It's actually national suicide, and it's very frightening for all of us. I couldn't agree with that, Moravita. And I watched this one night Tucker Carlson was talking about. It's not an idea, America. It's actually land. It's a place.

And it is a place, but America is great because of the set of ideas that we value and hold close to our hearts. And this idea that the pilgrims, I know you're going to talk about Fauci in a second, but the fact that the pilgrims came here for religious liberty and freedom, they were a sect that was not accepted in culture, and they decided to come where they could practice their religion freely without persecution. And we look at what's happening now, whether it was shutting down churches over COVID,, liberals now coming out and saying that the rosary is, was it, was it, was it dangerous? Was it a, a violent symbol? Yeah. A radical symbol. It's a symbol of terrorism or something crazy like that. I mean, the fact that there's a,

there's an assault on the very idea of why the pilgrims came here is, is so disturbing. Yeah. I could, I could do a question for her, Sean. I want to make that point, but I was going to say, well, I thought you want to. So give us your give us your take. If you don't give us your take on Fauci, but I got another thought after you do your Fauci take if you have one. Yeah, I don't. I mean, I think that it was for me as just at the time I was an intern at the Federalist during like the 2020 and then even 2021 and during Thanksgiving where they were

shutting everything down. And I made it my priority to just write every time about a leftist politician who was on board with Fauci saying, stay home, don't go, don't go visit your families, you know, do remote Thanksgiving, have your laptop open at your kitchen table. And then they themselves were going out and seeing their families for Thanksgiving while the rest of us were stuck inside. Or they even had cops coming at doors, shutting down Thanksgiving meals. I mean, horrible, you know, disruption to a wonderful family tradition. And yet it was rules for me and not for the from a lot of these leftist politicians. And we should all remember that like it was, it was so infuriating at the time. And sometimes when these things happen, we just kind of let it go. We forget about it. And

we shouldn't forget about it because there are names. I have them written, wrote articles about them. And we need to keep talking about that hypocrisy. Yeah, absolutely. We can never let, we can never normalize what happened during COVID. And we have to fight to get back every liberty that we lost during that time. And I mean, I think this is something, you know, it is about Thanksgiving. I'm so thankful for our constitution. I'm so thankful for the pilgrims that came over. I'm so thankful for our founding fathers. And I'm so thankful for our beautiful American history, which is a history of liberty. You know, those who lived in the gulags, the Russian gulags, will tell you that what the Soviets did to really, you know, install their new ideology, this atheistic Marxist theology of their own,

and replace it, Orthodox Christianity and the Russian culture, they had to replace it. And they would literally, they would tell you that to destroy a people, you must first sever them from their roots. And that is what the left is trying to do. And they have they started with, as you know, Evita, from a people's history, the history book by Howard Zinn. That is now the number one history book. number one history book. It's a history book through the Marxist lens of this Marxist professor is now the number one book being used to educate our children. They started with Columbus. He actually said, I have to first tear down Columbus. We know that Columbus Day is no longer Columbus Day. Most cities in our country now call it Indigenous Histories Day. And we also see this with Thanksgiving. And so I think it's a time for us to be

intentional about Thanksgiving and also joyful and not let these naysayers, these anti-Americans who want to tear down our country to take hold of it. Now, they tried during COVID. And you'll see, I think Thanksgiving is coming back with a vengeance because people want that back. But as I look at this too, and NBD, you said this is national suicide, and I couldn't agree with you more. It's if you teach people to hate themselves, if you teach kids to hate their parents, it's almost hating who you are, despising who you are and where you come from. That opens you up to what mom just said, which is we're here to take on something brand new, which is very old, which is Marxism, which is the complete opposite

of what our founders and the pilgrims envisioned when they came to this new country. And as I look at Thanksgiving, and again, I agree, there are so many things for us to be thankful for, but there is a war afoot. It's a cultural war. And I think that conservatives, not even, even traditional liberals have sat back and let this train roll on of, of demonizing our homeland, our country, and so many things that are so great about it. And it's incumbent upon people who are having kids to talk about Thanksgiving, why it's meaningful, what the roots of this holiday are, why your country is great, what wonderful things your founders gave you that you should be thankful for on this day.

Great America. And again, every child is not getting that viewpoint in school. And so again, save America, save your family. And by saving your family, this is the holiday to celebrate America, to teach your kids. Yeah. Don't assume. In fact, assume that they were given a very negative view of the pilgrims at their public school. You should you should absolutely make that assumption. It is the rare school that tells the story of Thanksgiving as you're talking as you talked about it, Evita, the rare school. So assume they're getting a culturally Marxist view of oppression and all that stuff about Thanksgiving. And so now it's your job to tell the Thanksgiving story at your table before your meal. Talk about the pilgrims.

You know, Vida, one of the things I loved about the story of the pilgrims is how, you know, it was sort of like, you know, you all know that my favorite story, my favorite children's story is the Little Red Hand. I think The Little Red Hand is the quintessential American story. Every family should have The Little Red Hand in their book because it is intrinsically an anti-socialism book. It's about hard work. And it's about if you don't work, you don't eat. And Evita, that was sort of what we saw happen with the Pilgrims. We'll have more of this conversation after this. This episode is brought to you by Mejuri.

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at Missouri.com today. Yeah, so they kind of had a communist system where everybody sort of chipped in and did work together and then they all, you know, reap the benefits of of their of their harvest and eventually it just started to deteriorate because and this is what what bradford

you know um william bradford observes that people weren't weren't willing to put the work in if they knew that someone else was going to do that do it for them and then they would still get a meal at the end of the day um so yeah it's an amazing it's an amazing you know story about human nature right it's human nature and why social doesn't work and maybe that's also part of the reason why they don't like the you know what you're right you're right and by the way they tried that again in the 60s when they had all their communes and they were

all these lazy people they starved they did and they had to change the model and go you don't work you don't eat yeah I mean so there's so many beautiful lessons to be learned. Assume your kids are getting the wrong message at school. Teach that lesson. Celebrate with gusto as we did, you know, bring in the family from far away. Open the table up to everybody you can and celebrate. Can I ask if I'm a Marxist to the two of you? Are you a Marxist? No. I can

answer that already. Could I come to the point of my life where I'm just going to be honest, okay? I'm going to be really, really honest. That's being a Marxist? Maybe. I don't like turkey. We do a turkey every year. I'm like, why don't we have a Thanksgiving hand? Yeah, you're definitely a communist. Why don't we have a Thanksgiving steak? But instead, in the great tradition of American Thanksgiving, whether you like it or not. So we're going to deep fry it because John McLemore from Masterbuilt has taught us the deep fried turkey is the best.

Next best is the smoked. But we do it. But turkey is dry. I love the stuffing in the turkey, but it's not my favorite food. I like the soup that you'll make. I make a beautiful turkey soup and I make the homemade stock from the carcass.

You do, but I don't go, oh my goodness, I'm so like ready to dive into that dry turkey. Even when I do it really well. Are you saying my turkey is dry? Turkey is just dry. You do it as best you can, but it's just a dry bird. We're going to brine it tonight. I know. Let's have duck.

Come on. I get they ate that and we're going to do it. Don't send me hate mail. I'm going to do the turkey, but I'm going to admit to you all, I don't like the turkey. I eat it, but I don't love it. Don't you like the next... Go ahead, Evita.

I was going to say, don't you like the next? Go ahead, Evita. Well, no, I was going to say, don't you like the next day when you have like the sweet rolls and then you put mayonnaise and you put cranberry sauce and then the turkey and it's like an awesome sandwich. You don't like that?

Because I have to smother the taste of the turkey in cranberry sauce and mayo. I know. I'm sorry. I'm just being really honest. It's okay. It's okay if you don't like honest. It took me almost 50 years to

get to this point. I'm going to tell you, I do it and I'll be happy. I love the celebration and I love where it comes from in our long history of doing turkey, but I'm just going to say I'm going to eat it, but I'm not going to love it. Well, it's okay to love the sides more. I think probably three quarters of Americans are with you on the sides are better than the Turkey. Usually that's, that's fair. You know, we did brine our Turkey. It's going to be delicious. We're going to fry it up and I will see what you think at the end. You know, we, I had a similar experience. You and I both grew up. It's one of the things we, even though we're so different in terms of like, you know, our family heritage, the one thing we did have in common besides being catholic and from family

oriented families and was that we both had lamb leg of lamb at christmas and my mom's leg of lamb was usually pretty good but there were a couple years it was dry yours you said your mom always overcooked my mom made some pretty rough like a lamb. Yeah. So, but we love lamb chops and then we really love the lollipop lamb chops. And so we used to make leg of lamb when we were in our younger years. And when we figured out we could just have lamb chops and French fries, we just do that instead. You mentioned my mom. Can I make some of the point to here?

Sure. So my mom is a big liberal and I love her to death. She's a big Bernie Sanders. It's really, it's really hard. She's a big Bernie Sanders. It's really, it's really hard. She voted for you though. She says she did, but it's a silent book. We don't know. But, but so, but she's, there's 11 of us in the family and I think virtually all of us voted for Trump. So she's outnumbered in the family. She raised us well. But you know what, since she, half of you guys voted, half of your family voted for Barack Obama. but you know what's interesting half of you guys voted half of your family voted for barack obama yeah and then barack obama you know but you know what that checks out for wisconsin because

wisconsin did that too where they came out in like massive numbers for obama in 08 and then also in 2012 and then 2016 we flipped so it actually makes perfect sense yeah they're very wisconsin but as i as i think about as i think about thanksgiving there is a lot of families that come together and they don't agree politically. Right. They have these political ideas that are light years apart. You know, some people love Trump and and and some hate Trump. Some, you know, love what Joe Biden has done. Some hate him. So there's this big riff in families. And I think what's important is and again, I love politics.

I love talking about politics, but I think around the Thanksgiving table, you got to leave politics alone, especially when it's going to be divisive and people get heated and you're not going to change their opinion. And when I go home too, with my mom, I just, and she'll actually try to bring stuff up or do a little poking here and there. The point is you got to end it. Just don't talk about it. Leave it alone. Talk about football. Talk about your family. Talk about all there's so many things in our lives to talk about. You can actually leave politics alone. And I think that sometimes we all come loaded for bear. Our families are more important than the politics around which divides us. So I agree. I agree. But if liberals bring it up republicans often sit back and let

liberals feel free to say what they want to say and then you got to really defend your ground but i agree you know look in the end we have we have friends in politics um even on our side on on the republican side on the democrat side and we just have decided that, you know, we like them more than we care about the politics around it. Just like we care about, you know, our families more than we care about politics. And so I think that's what everyone needs to focus on. And that's what it's all about. Vida, you feel the same way, right? For one day out of the year.

And then you can go back to trying to convert them. Because I do think that, you know, your family, you respect their opinion a lot. And to say, you know what, I'm going to see my nieces and nephews to the leftist, you know, at University of wherever. I don't I don't know if that's the best course of action all the time. is a great strategy for handling your liberal relatives if they're over the age of 45 don't bother they're not going to change their mind they are who they are right people get older and they're just like but if you have young teenagers young nieces and nephews in their 20s they're still persuadable um so maybe i do a side room pull them aside and get them a cold beer and say listen let's talk let's talk turkey let's talk politics actually can i bring up one other point that so i was reading an article this morning and i brought it up uh to mom and it was talking about divorce which is this is this is actually

related but it's an issue that says there's a lot of there's a lot of negative emotions that people can feel just in life. They can- Families and in marriages. Yeah. And the one emotion that cuts through all the negativity of those other emotions- In any relationship. In any relationship and in life is gratitude. Right.

Being grateful for what you have. Not coveting, not thinking about what someone else might be doing or what I don't have or being grateful for. Again, you have heat in your home. You have a roof over your head. You have a meal on your table. You have some of your family around. There's so many things to be grateful for and to focus on that, which is why before we sit down or eat, we go around, make all the little kids to talk about what they're grateful for. And hearing other people talk about what they're grateful for. And again, you get some odd things coming from six-year-olds. And they're wonderful, but it makes you smile. And it makes you kind of focus on all the blessings that you have in your life. And I

think it's important as we come together on Thanksgiving to go, Hey, what are we all thankful for? Let's, let's, let's, let's not, let's, what are you thankful for Sean? I said, you know what? I'm, I'm, I'm thankful that I can still practice my faith. I'm, I'm thankful for my family. I'm again, what I mentioned, I'm thankful that we have food. There's so many people that can't practice their faith that don't have a roof over their head that don't have food. You know what? I I'm, I'm thankful for health, you know, that we, that we're healthy, that we don't have a lot of sickness in our family and that can change in an instant. And I know a lot of families out there are dealing with, you know, issues of, of health and the, I feel very blessed that we are not dealing with that at least at this Thanksgiving. And because if you

don't have that, a lot of things become really challenging. Yeah, it gets harder. Yeah. I'm so thankful for my parents. I think I was blessed to have parents that, you know, I think instilled faith in me and gave me a lot of tools to get through life. I'm really grateful for them. I'm really grateful that they stayed together and were an example of marriage working. I grew up, as you know, Sean, overseas in so many different countries. I'm a military brat. And so I'm really grateful that I got to see how life is like in other countries. And many of the countries I lived in, Turkey, Peru, like in other countries. And many of the countries I lived in, Turkey, Peru, these were third world countries. And I saw a lot of deep poverty, real poverty. I mean, people talk about poor people in America and there are poor people in America, but it's a different level of poverty in so many of

these other countries that I lived in. And I've always carried that with me. I've always been grateful that my parents never shielded me from seeing those things and actually did a lot of charity work while we were overseas and able to see that and help out, but also know that we are so blessed to be Americans, that there's so much prosperity and abundance here. And we take our freedoms and that prosperity for granted way too much. And we're in danger of losing it when we do that. Evita, how about you?

What am I grateful for? Yeah. What are you grateful for? Yeah. I mean, I don't want to sound redundant, but I think that my biggest thing is my family and to have support from you guys and all of my siblings. And I'm not going to be there for Thanksgiving, which is sad, but for every other holiday, when I come home, it's a full house all the time. And I have a lot of friends who come from families with one other sibling or just themselves or an only child. And they'll send me pictures of their Thanksgiving table. And there's probably a sixth of the amount of food that we have.

And it doesn't look as fun. It doesn't look as fun. So I'm really grateful for my family. Yeah. So I was talking to the kids the other night to say, if something ever happened to mom and I had to do Thanksgiving, here's what it would be. The kids are like, that's so depressing, dad.

I'm like, I'm'm gonna get some canned corn buy a pie at the store um i'll buy some stuffing at the store and i'll make myself a turkey and that's what we're gonna do well maybe you'll just have well you know what the great chicken at the store since you don't like turkey maybe i'd maybe i'd go we're gonna do thanksgiving you know ham or a thanksgiving steak but it makes me just finish this point. I am grateful for Rachel who makes our Thanksgiving dinner. It's again, it's crazy to put it together and it's a, it's a lot of work, but when we sit down, we have a really nice, well thought out meal that was made with love and affection for her family. And that doesn't happen without a mama bear who goes,

you know what? Nope. I'm going to make a meal that gives respect to the holiday of Thanksgiving that we're celebrating. So I'm grateful that she puts so much effort. And that lasts for a couple more days so I don't have to cook. Yes. That's true. And by the way, I might come to Thanksgiving this year like full because we eat at Fox and Friends.

You know how much we eat at Fox and Friends. You know how much we eat at Fox and Friends. I imagine there's going to be a lot of food on Thanksgiving Day in the morning. So one more thought too is, so there's a lot of people that work at Fox. They're young kids that come from around the country to work there. And this year, Rachel's like, listen, if there's anyone who doesn't have a family, they're stuck in the city by themselves with this rotting large city in America and they want to come on over and celebrate with us. Come on over. So I'm not sure.

We might have a few. We might have a few. Maybe a few might come in. But again, that's part of the Thanksgiving spirit as well of going, you know what? If there's someone out there who needs a place, who needs a seat at a table, invite them over. Your mom used to do that. My mom did that.

Every year growing up, there was always an airman or two who didn't have a family who came over for Christmas and Thanksgiving. So that was something. That's sort of a little tradition of my mom. We'll have an extra seat because the beaches won't be filled. Yes, Evita, we're going to miss you and Michael,

but we will survive. On Christmas, we'll have you guys over next. Yes. Anyway, well, it's so great. It's so great to have an American history major in the family, Sean. It really is. Thank you for that. I feel like I'm making up for my poor 70s beginning of the undoing of American history.

It didn't come free. Yeah, I will say this. Her american history degree did not come free was not cheap to have one in the family but you know what biden's student loan forgiveness is helping me out so ah did you did you qualify because isn't that still in it's still in question right well i i immediately applied so i'm like i don't believe in it but you know what if he's offering it and i'm eligible i might as well might as well use it um and yeah i applied so i if it gets past the courts then it's forgiven but um i don't know because i think there are several uh lawsuits and people striking it down so we'll see what happens and then your your husband was somebody who actually you know worked hard to pay off his and now he's not up for it yet.

No, he didn't even. So what happened was he didn't take out any loans. He had worked every summer and made it so that he didn't have to and got it all paid off. And he had, you know, in hindsight, would have taken out all the loans he could because he knew they would have gotten forgiven. But he wasn't, you know, we didn't know what was going to happen. So it was actually, it was very unfair.

He didn't know Biden was going to be elected. So Joe Biden is burning the little red hand book right here. We should send Joe Biden the little red hand and maybe he needs a little, a little bit of a refresher on Thanksgiving. Maybe he does. All right. Well, Evita, thank you for joining us at the virtual kitchen table here. We're missing you on Thanksgiving and thank you all for joining us. We hope you all have a blessed,

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