From the Kitchen Table: The Duffys - The Cruelty Of Democrat Policies: Open Borders & Student Loan Forgiveness

Episode Date: August 25, 2022

On this episode, Sean and Rachel sit down with Congresswoman Kat Cammack (R-FL) to discuss the ongoing crisis at the Southern border. The Congresswoman explains how she began her career in politics, how the Biden Administration uses government funding to transport immigrants across the United States, and how she's fought back against the Left.   Later, Deputy Opinion Editor at Newsweek, Batya Ungar-Sargon joins to explain how leftist policies like open borders and student loan forgiveness harm working-class Americans. Follow Sean and Rachel on Twitter: @SeanDuffyWI & @RCamposDuffy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Just go to lastplacements.com to find out how. Miller Lite. Tastes like Miller time. Hey everyone, welcome to From the Kitchen Table. I'm Sean Duffy, along with my co-host for the podcast and partner in life, Rachel Campos Duffy. Thank you, Sean. It's so great to be around the kitchen table. Today we're going to have a conversation about the cruelty of so many policies on the left. And we're going to focus in on the policies, the open border policies, and also student loan forgiveness. And we're going to be joined by Representative Kat Kamak to talk about what she

has seen at the border. But also we'll be joined by Newsweek Deputy Opinion Editor, Batia Ungar Sargon, a really interesting person, someone who considers herself a liberal, but comes around to understanding and explaining so much of the cruelty behind some of these policies. But we're going to start first with Representative Kat Kamak from Florida. Thanks for joining us at the kitchen table. Well, hello. It is so good to hear y'all's voices and thanks for having me on. Yeah. You know, I love just even the story of how you got into Congress before we talk about the border, because I know that's something that's steaming with you. And it's something that

we're really concerned about. And you and I have talked outside of this podcast about our concern for children. But I just for those of those listeners who don't know your story and sure they know who you are, but may not know the backstory of how you got into politics. It's that, you know, you were actually your family, you grew up on a cattle ranch, your family lost that cattle ranch due to government policies, and you decided to fight back. And I just want to say, I haven't seen you lose that fighting spirit since you've been there. You just are so impressive and such a great voice for the GOP. are so impressive and such a great voice for the GOP. Thank you.

I tell you, you know, politics was never in my plan. It wasn't my life's dream. I didn't grow up wanting to be a politician. I wanted to be a business owner. I actually, you know, while kids were, you know, dreaming about being astronauts, I was running around with my little plastic purple briefcase because I wanted to be a CEO of the great company. And, you know, I just I had dreams of that sort. And, you know, being the daughter of a single mom, you know, life wasn't always rosy or easy. You know, we struggled. And but but, you know, you're growing up in the

country and looking back now, I'm like, my gosh, I hope my kids get that same opportunity. Cause growing up on a, you know, a small cow calf operation, you know, you've got chickens and you got dogs running around and you got horses and cows and you grow up rodeoing. And, you know, I barrel raced for gosh, 20 some odd years odd years and you know showed chickens in 4-H and that was my life and I had every intention on going to school and I was I was very lucky I was the first in my family to go to college and last month of of school one month out from graduation we got the news that we were losing everything I'll'll never forget that day. It was like a bomb went off in our world, you know, getting the phone call that you've got 23 days to evict. It was wild.

And I didn't understand at the time how it had happened or why it had happened. And as the months kind of trudged on, you know, we were homeless for a long time, you know, several months. And I started doing homework. I started, you know, listening to talk radio. And I was Googling stories about, you know, all these people who are finding themselves out on the street, losing their homes. And I got angry. I mean, just a real fire in the belly, irate, angry, and found out that it was a government program. It was a big package that had been passed out of Washington, you know, over 1800 pages in legislative text

that nobody in Washington had bothered to read. And it was families like mine that were getting hurt the most because people in DC had not bothered to think about the consequences of their actions. And so I had a decision to make. I got offered a job to work on a campaign in Florida from a family friend. And I told him, I was like, I have no idea how to run a congressional campaign. He's like, oh, you'll figure it out. And I literally Googled how to run a congressional campaign. out. And I literally Googled how to run a congressional and moved across the country with nothing but clothes and some fishing gear. Cause I was president of the bass fishing club. I know my, my street cred is really, really taking a hit here today. Uh, chickens and bass fishing. I know. Um, but yeah, our list, our listeners would love that. Well, then, then,

Our listeners would love that. Well, then y'all are my kind of people. It's kind of how I got my start in politics. I mean, it was that experience of really experiencing what big government can do to you and your family in a very real way that got me involved in politics. in a very real way that got me involved in politics. And it's been the driving force of getting government out of our lives in so many aspects, because whether it is taking away your home or, you know, forcing you to do things that you don't want to do, like, you know, the vaccine debate that we've been having in this country. You know, these are all things that have very real consequences for everyday folks. And that's really what's been driving me ever since I've

been involved. Well, it brings us right back to where we're at right now, because, you know, those Obama era policies that ended up leaving you homeless. We see big government policies coming out of Washington, D.C. that are affecting people at the border. And part of the reason we wanted you to come on, both Sean and I have been impressed with how, I should say, stark your language is, because it's not just hurting the people at the border. It's hurting little kids. And you have called Joe Biden the trafficker in chief. the trafficker in chief. Yeah. Uh, you know, it's, um, I, I realized that that is a pretty bold statement, but when you've been to the border and you've held little kids who are just absolutely wrecked, um, and they have been gang raped to the point of their vocal cords giving out and they can't even tell you their name. Those are the experiences that stay with you.

And to see firsthand how these children's lives are forever changed. They have become pawns in this. I don't want to say a game because it's not a game, but in this back and forth between the cartels and the Biden administration. And we know for a fact that the Biden administration is facilitating the trafficking of children through an open border policy. There is no way to explain it otherwise, because when you have an administration that refuses to enforce the laws on the books, halts construction of the border wall, prohibits border agents from doing their job, continues to build soft-sided facilities that are meant to house, process,

and subsequently release people into the United States, when you stop the MPP policy, when you continually talk about getting rid of the last tool in the toolbox, Title 42, the health directive that is allowing us to turn away some individuals, but not all certainly, when you see all of these things, what else can you assume that the administration is trying to tell the world other than the Southwest border is open and it's a free for all, you know, come one, come all type situation. And we know that the cartels exploit the weakness of this administration. And quite frankly, when you see the whole cycle up close and personal, there's no other way to describe it as anything other than Biden has become the trafficker in chief because he's completing

the trafficking cycle that the cartels are using to move people, women, children, drug runners. It's beyond smuggling because they're not just paying to get people across, you know, if people don't have $6,000, $9,000 to get across the border, they have to put a down payment down and then they work off the rest. Yeah. They're like indentured servants. Exactly. Like some of them are working, going to be working in hospitality industry construction, but a lot of them will be working in the sex trade. And we know that to be a fact. We can go through story after story after story. But I mean, I think that it's really a point in time in our nation's history when we have to wake up and realize that one, border

security is national security. And two, if we are to remain the most compassionate country in the world, don't you think we ought to have compassion towards those children that are being exploited at the border? And it starts by securing it because the open border is allowing these people to be exploited. So it's pretty remarkable where we're at. You know, Kat, when I was in Congress in 2016, when Donald Trump was talking about securing the border, I, you know, went, I made several trips to the border. And it was, it was bad, right? There was a lot of people coming across the southern border. It wasn't nearly what we see today. But just, you know, there was a full of folks coming in, and it was outrageous. And Donald Trump ran a race

on securing the border. And, and frankly, it was surprising that he won groups that, that Democrats, and I think even Republicans thought he would lose like Hispanics because his language was so hard. But I think the frustration, you talked about this, the frustration that people have across America with Washington, DC., like you talked about your experience with your farm, is like, are you people stupid? No one agrees that this is a good policy for America that we would open up our borders, let anyone come in, not vet them. So as we saw, we're getting dozens of terrorists who have come across our border. and that's only the ones that the government has identified for us. There's gotaways that we don't know who they are that could be terrorists as well.

But the issue of the kids really gets me because I think whether you're a Democrat or Republican, a conservative or a liberal, I do think there's a heart for the humanity of, you know, children, especially coming across the border, you know, no, no say on their own about, you know, are they going to be sent or not sent as their parents making that decision. And the fact that there's a massive industry around this sex trafficking right now. I wondered, there's a whole conversation about racism. I wonder, does, do Democrats not care because these mostly are little brown children that are coming across and they can be sex trafficked, they can be thrown into these hostels where men take advantage of them? Because I wonder if there were European kids coming over, that there would be a different response. But because they're from Central America or South America,

they can be sex trafficked. They're pieces of meat that they don't seem to care about the lives of human beings that are being absolutely destroyed. I was a prosecutor. When someone is sexually assaulted, it is not a momentary event. It is a lifetime event for someone who is sexually assaulted. They'll be traumatized forever by what's happened to them when they're eight, 10, 14 years old. I mean, that's a hundred percent. I mean, I touched on it a little bit earlier, the nine-year-old on my very first border trip,

I was in the Donna processing facility and there was, and they still have it. I've been back to the border several times and I go to the processing facility. They have this like play pen. It's this pretty big purple and pink and baby blue play pen where the really young unaccompanied children are at. I'm surprised they let you in, Kat, to be honest. I don't take no for an answer very well um and and you know I actually um have have had to talk my way into into these places sometimes but um I've been able to really build relationships with some of the agents down there and they know at this point they're

like listen this is we're told that you're not supposed to film and you're not supposed to do this. And so just don't do it. And then what are they going to do if I do? I mean, it's, it's kind of one of those situations, but you know, my very first trip I met, um, in this little play pen, this nine-year-old girl, and you could just tell this, this little girl was a broken human being. She was traumatized. She was holding her knees. I walked over to her and I, you know, just kind of got down eye to eye level with her and, you know, kept asking, you know, and she was trying to open up, you know, I could tell she wanted me to, to, you know, sit there with her. And she finally tried to tell me her name. An agent had to pull me aside and say, you know, she, her vocal cords gave out screaming. She was being gang raped.

She's nine years old. And I went back a second time about a month later, she was still there and she saw me. And I mean, I remember sitting there just holding her and just sobbing. she saw me. And I mean, I remember sitting there just holding her and just sobbing. Oh, I'll cry right now. I know, you know, I mean, and I don't care if you are white or black or brown. I mean, your heart just breaks for these kids that are being used as pawns. And, and I really, you know, shame on, on AOC who was so quick to go down and, you know, cry in an empty parking lot and claim that it was for the children. Where has she been? I've not seen her once. Do you remember she went, Kat, she went to Texas when there was the electrical problem, remember?

The power problem that they had when there there was a storm she went down for that because she thought it would embarrass abbott but you're right she cried outside of that facility um when she was running for office and claiming that she cared about the kids in the cages but she's been silent on this we interviewed um bill malugian last week he said i asked him what was the worst thing you saw and he said he, he came upon border patrol agents, helping a four and five-year-old who had just been sexually assaulted. And he was just, uh, it was just horrible for him. And of course you guys are talking about, uh, you're talking about Bill's talking about the, the rapes. Cause we know about 30% of women and girls who come across the border are sexually assaulted as they

make this journey about almost 20% of boys are as well. So boys are not, um, you know, you know, removed from this, this danger as well, but there's also, which is why I was intrigued by, by your language of calling Joe Biden, the sex trafficker in chief, because here I want to play this clip for you, because it's not just what happens as they cross the border, but our own complicity in handing them off to people that that will continue to to possibly traffic them in sex. There's a young whistleblower. Her name is Savannah Horan Hernandez. I believe she worked for the Post Millennial and she was on with Fox News'

Steve Hilton. And I want to play this clip of just how irresponsible our government, I guess they hand this off, Kat, and you can explain this on the other side of the clip if you want. We contract all these NGOs who, by the way, are making tons of money, the Catholic Church, Lutheran services. There's also a bunch of a whole myriad of Soros funded left wing NGOs. And they're the ones pressuring the board of the Biden administration to keep on with this policy. Everyone's making money. But look at how loosey goosey they are with the lives of these children. Can we play that clip on top of these children being shipped throughout play that clip? On top of these children being shipped throughout the United States, the employee that spoke to me provided me with an

email that was basically stating that these children were being handed over to improperly identified adults, meaning that the paper that the Office of Refugee Resettlement is giving these employees, they're not making sure that the adult on the paper matches the adult they're handing this child over to and it's absolutely insane cat oh i mean i'm not surprised i hadn't heard that clip before but i mean the things that we've been able to uncover um through the work that we do on homeland security committee i i discovered a pot of money about about $130 million, that is meant for people that are on the verge of homelessness, like single moms or families on the verge of homelessness, and veterans on the verge of homelessness. Something you can relate to, by the way, having been homeless yourself before. Something that hits home pretty quick. We found out that the Biden administration was

using those funds to actually pay for plane and bus tickets for illegals. They were filtering it through organizations like Catholic Charities and other NGOs that are at the border. And when I asked for receipts, radio silence. And they said, well, good luck getting receipts from Catholic Charities because we wanted to find out exactly where they were buying the tickets, you know, what was final destination on all these tickets that they were buying. And when I asked how they were processing all these under 18, and even those that are over 18, I said, well, as long as they say, you know, that they are who they are, then it's no problem. Many of them don't have IDs. So when they, and I've witnessed this firsthand, when they go into the airport at

McAllen, Texas, for example, TSA has been given orders by the Biden administration that if as long as they present paperwork that says, I am John Doe and I'm John Doe because I say I am, I'm good to go. They don't have to present photo ID or government ID to get on the airplane, whereas you and I absolutely have. I mean, it is so, as you said, loosey-goosey in terms of the verification. And when you talk about the kids and the placement of these kids, which then falls under health and human services, there's no way to track where these kids are going. I actually asked one of the agents as they were trying to figure out the next step for a lot of these under 18 kids. I said, so what happens to them? They said, well, HHS is supposed to take them. And I said, okay, well then what does HHS do? And they said, well,

the kids give the agent a number, the HHS employee a number. And as long as the person on the other line says, yeah, I'll take them, then they ship them out. Like who knows who's on the other line? There's no way to verify like, oh yeah, sure. That's my aunt. You know, that's my, that, that, that, that kid's my niece. Give me a break. We know these kids are literally going to trafficking operations. It's absurd how this is being verified or lack thereof. Yeah., so when I was in Congress as well, Mario Diaz-Balart was working with Democrats trying to come up with legislation to secure the border. And now we're thinking, you know, five, seven years ago. But the border was nothing like it is today. Do you have any Democrats who share your concern about what's would think that with what's happening,

there's good Democrats in the House that did go, you know what, we got to fix this. This policy is insane. What are you hearing from Democrats? Well, to your point, Sean, yeah. Privately, I've had several Democrats who have expressed real frustration, dismay, and anger at what's going on. And they immediately follow it up with but i can't say

anything that you know how how speaker pelosi runs the house i mean it's it's like watching a four-star general she she rules with um everything she's got with an iron fist it's it's remarkable to have colleagues on the other side of the aisle say, I'm with you a hundred percent. I agree. Oh my gosh, this is terrible. But you know, I'll, I'll, I'll get primaried if I vote this way, Nancy will make sure that she dumps millions against me and she'll primary me or I'll lose my committee assignment. I mean, it's, it's even more infuriating to hear that. I would almost rather them just not say anything at all, because at that point, you're putting politics over people's lives. And I think that that's where a lot of Americans are today. I spoke with several independents around the polls. It was election day here in Florida, primary day. And I had several independents who said, you know, I'm just so sick and tired of the hyper extremes. Like what happened to doing the

right thing? You know, why can't we just do the right thing as Americans? You know, but Kat, I think people are there, but, but, you know, earlier in the, in, in, when we were having this discussion, Sean said, well, you think people would come together, you know, at least and agree on the kids. Right. But I saw throughout this pandemic, Democrats willing to hurt kids in order to push their agenda. You see it all the time, whether it's the border or vaccines or masking or school closures. or school closures. I've seen I've I have been shocked and now desensitized to what they are willing to do to children, to the most vulnerable, to the elderly in order to push through their ideology and their power. So it's not surprising. And I think, Sean, you bring up such a great point. What would happen if these were Ukrainian little girls who were being, you know, raped by

Russians? Oh boy, we'd get that story. But nobody gives a damn about these little kids that are coming across our southern border. And by the way, Kat, you also deserve a lot of credit for exposing the formula situation. Here we had moms in america you know struggling so hard traveling from one grocery store to another trying to find formula because we had a shortage and you were the one who exposed um piles of it lined up um for sadly for people who come across the border who have babies with them but they shouldn't be there they should have remained in mexico um they shouldn't have made this journey uh last word we got a. I want, I wanted to give you a chance. Well, no, I mean, thank you for bringing that up, Rachel. It, it, that to me speaks volumes about

the Biden war on women in America today, because not only do we have the baby formula shortage, not only do we have the baby formula shortage, which was 100% avoidable, you know, completely a result of a, a FDA that had no idea what they were doing, but now we're seeing, you know, the tampon shortage we're seeing every turn. Like if you are a young woman in Biden's America today, you are getting screwed at every turn. I hate to say it so bluntly, but you really are. And it's heartbreaking. And that baby formula issue continues to persist today. I've been on the phone with the manufacturers and they continue to run into roadblocks with red tape and bureaucrats in Washington. And I still continue to get photos and videos from agents who are having a hard time

getting formula down the road at their local target in McAllen, Texas, but they're having to unload it out of the back of tractor trailers at the border for the processing facilities. And I just, I was so angry when the White House came out and called me a liar. They said, you're a cat. CAMAC is a liar. We don't, we are not hoarding baby formula at the border. 12 hours later, I was beat on the ground in the warehouses at the border, exposing that and saying, you know, call me a liar again. And I'll really go around and show what's in all these boxes, like clothing, diapers, wipes, formula, specialty formula, and any parent out there who has had to deal with sensitive systems or allergy concerns, that formula is impossible to find today.

So we have to keep exposing it and we've got to hold these folks accountable. Absolutely unbelievable that in America today, we've got moms that can't find formula, young women that can't find feminine products, and we're all paying $5 at the pump. It's just absolutely crazy. You know, Kat, I want to thank you for being with us. Good politics are taking common sense issues. Yeah, I want to protect girls. I don't care who they are or where they're coming from. They shouldn't be trafficking sex. We should make sure that babies have formula and women have feminine products. Common sense kitchen table issues. It's down to the basics, Kat.

Down to the basics. So I want to thank you for the work that you do. You are a great member, a great voice, who's unafraid to push back against anybody who's doing things that are hurting people. So thank you for joining us, not just with your kitchen table issues, but joining us at the kitchen table itself. So maybe we'll have a cup of coffee sometime in person. Kat, thank you for being with us and keep up the fight. Hey, thank you guys so much. You guys are amazing.

You are a fighter. We love your bluntness. Keep it up. We can't wait to have you back. And another update and hopefully after Republicans win the majority and you guys can maybe fix some of these things that we've all felt so helpless about. So thanks so much for joining us this morning. Thank you so much. Have a good one. God bless you. God bless you. We'll have more of this conversation after this.

Light up Black Friday with Freedom Mobile and get 50 gigs to use in Canada, the U.S., and Mexico for just $35 a month for 18 months. Plus, get a one-time gift of five gigs of Roam Beyond data. Conditions apply. Details at freedommobile.ca. So our next guest, Sean, is Batia Ungar-Sargon, and she is the opinion editor at Newsweek. A lot of our listeners have probably seen her on Tucker Carlson. She does a really great job of talking about that the real divided America is not really about race. It's not even about political parties. It's about class. It's the elites versus the working class

and the middle class. And she just wrote a fantastic article called the cruelty of Biden's border policy. So we thought it'd be great to bring her in and kind of break that down for us a little bit. But yeah, thanks for joining us at the kitchen table. Thank you so much for having me. I'm such a huge fan of you both. And it's just really an honor to be here with you and your listeners. Thank you. It's right back at you. We think you're fantastic. Tell us about your piece and really what the message is. And I hope people will go, by the way, and get it. It's called the cruelty of Biden's border policy. Yeah. You know, I think that a lot of policies on the left that the left likes to tout as evidence of their compassion end up really being actually very, very cruel.

And you see this on like a number of fronts. You know, student loan forgiveness is a big issue. That's one example of it. Defund the police. A lot of the environmental policy. This is stuff that makes affluent leftists feel really good about themselves. But at the other side of all of these policies, you have working class Americans, hardworking class Americans who work harder every day than any

of these people with their laptop jobs paying the price for it very literally. And, you know, immigration is such a perfect example of this. You know, there was this uproar against President Trump's attempt to enforce the border, which was so ironic because, you know, as recently as 2015, Senator Bernie Sanders, a Democratic socialist, was talking about how open borders is a Koch brothers proposal, he called it, because that's what right wingers want. They want to bring in all these people to work for two, three dollars an hour and undercut the wages of working class Americans. This is something the Democrats used to know. And because their brains got scrambled by President Trump, they are now selling out their own working class and their own workers to import an entirely new working class from poor countries. But the thing that I wrote about in the piece was this is not just cruel to our own workers. I mean,

it is incredibly cruel, especially to black workers who have paid the highest price for mass immigration. It's also cruel to the migrants themselves, because essentially the migrants got the message from President Biden that the cartels got. The border is open and we are incentivizing the most unbelievable cruelty. I mean, 609 deaths at the border, record numbers, a third of women who make the journey to America through the southern border admit to being sexually assaulted or raped, meaning, I mean, the number is obviously much higher, but a third admit to it. I mean, can you imagine the children, children drowning in the Rio Grande River? And nobody is asking, how did these people get the

idea that this was the right thing to do? I mean, we've made the incentive such that they are doing unbelievably dangerous things, often at the behest of these murderous, thuggish cartels. I mean, these cartels, the cruelty of these cartels, you would not even believe. And yet they are the people who are essentially patrolling and policing our borders because we're not doing it. Yeah. And cooked alive, by the way, in these vehicles. I mean, the 50-some, that's just one incident. I mean, can you imagine dying that way? It's got to be horrific. Sean, go ahead. I'm sorry. But I find it fascinating. You mentioned this. This used to be a Koch brother policy, a conservative policy, bring in cheap labor, which will allow us to drop our manufacturing prices and sell them globally.

And there was an understanding on the left that that doesn't help lower income, blue collar, middle income Americans. It doesn't help them at all. It actually helps the wealthy. helps the wealthy. And Donald Trump, to your point, flipped this on its head. And now you have Democrats who are supporting these policies that the Koch brothers had once supported to let people in and drive down the wages of the very people that Democrats say they're trying to help. But I think what's fascinating here is that Democrats have now actually lost this whole group of people that used to look to them to fight for them because the policies don't match the economics of middle income, lower income Americans. But it's interesting. They still try to sell that their ideas of open borders or their ideas of climate change policies are really good for people who can't afford the competition or can't afford the prices at the gas pump. Yeah, I mean, they're full of it. And I'm saying this from the left, right? I'm coming at this from, I'm a leftist. And I just feel such disgust for what you just

described, the ways in which, you know, the Democrats have obviously decided that their base are overeducated coastal elites living in big cities, you know, who go to these fancy universities where they learn things like critical race theory, you know, critical wokeness, you know, malarkey. Right. And come out and then demand that we that working class Americans pay off their student loans for their, you know, their film studies degree or what have you, while they, you the New York Times and make $125,000 a year producing videos. I totally agree with you. I mean, the Democrats have completely redefined amongst themselves who their base is while still talking out of the other side of their mouth as though they're representing working class Black Americans,

working class Hispanic Americans. They're doing nothing of the kind. The Democratic coalition now is made up of the very, very poor, the dependent poor and the top 10 percent. Right. You know, we know that Wall Street, for example, gave more money to Joe Biden than to Donald Trump. First time they gave more money to a Democrat than to a Republican in recent history. Right. You know, so the thing that they don't understand is that there is a deep tension between the needs of the working class and the needs of the very poor. In their mind, anybody who makes less than $100,000 a year should be living on welfare, right? And they're happy to pay for that, you know, give us higher taxes. We're happy to pay for that because they're so wealthy that they're not even going to notice it, right? They want the working class to live on their generosity. They don't understand that working class Americans, they don't want to live on handouts. They want good jobs that give them dignity, that they can raise a family and even have a mother stay at home maybe and raise the

kids for when they're little, right? That's what they want. That's the American dream, own a home, have a good job. That used to be something that both sides, by the way, believed in up through the 70s. And then both sides sort of turned on that, started outsourcing jobs, just like you said, Sean, you know, offshoring of manufacturing, all of the millions and millions of good working class jobs that gave you solidly middle class lives. We just shipped those off to China to build up China's middle class. And I just think that that's what they don't understand. They don't understand the value of autonomy that working class Americans have. They don't want to live on handouts. They don't want an expanded welfare state. They want good jobs that give them dignity. Honestly, I'm curious what you guys think. Do you think that either side is offering that? Do you see energy for that on the right to make that once again something that working class Americans can aspire to? make that once again, something that, you know, working class Americans can aspire to.

Yeah. I mean, I see that it's interesting to me. It's you, by the way, I love your ability to articulate so many things that I think about all the time and you're just so brilliant about it. I do see that on, on the Hispanic side. I I've always felt as a Hispanic American myself, that Hispanics were, are very practical maybe because so many of them are more recent, you know, immigrants to this country that I feel like they were they were always more up for grabs. And you can see that happening at this very moment. You know, 60 percent of Hispanic Americans are Mexican-Americans and the Democrats used to have a stronger hold on them. They're losing that hold because of these policies that are hurting the working class and specifically hurting those along the border who live in these communities that are being damaged. What's fascinating to me about is the African-American

vote. They are clearly being hurt by these policies. You know, when a low skilled Mexican American or a Mexican comes across the border or Latin American or Central American, wherever they are coming from, it hurts their wages. So many of the policies that they have, you know, in the inner city with that are that are, you know, bringing up crime with these woke prosecutors. I mean, I see no one getting hurt more than African-Americans. And yet it seems like their numbers still hold very strong. I want to read something to you because this is an African American woman who was on MSNBC. She is the CEO of Democracy for America, clearly one of the elites within the African American community. But here's what she said instead of talking about what you're talking about, which are the, you know, day-to-day needs of,

and I like what you said too about, you know, there's this divide between the working and middle-class and the poor, but there are so many people in the poor who aspire to be in the middle class and they're not being, you know, their needs aren't being met by the Democrat party. But she was asked, this woman on MSNBC, she was being asked about this shift. For a while, inflation and how bad the economy was is the top issue for Americans. But this African-American woman, the head of democracy for America, the CEO says, I think that the tide is turning on inflation being a major issue for folks. We saw a hole not long ago. That said, the threat to democracy is actually more of a concern than the cost of living for people right now.

So that's a whole other idea that we need to be pushing as we go into this election against Republicans. as we go into this election against Republicans. And she then goes on to talk about women's rights, you know, abortion and all these other, you know, threat to democracy, January 6th, and how their agenda is to swipe away the idea of inflation and the economy and what's hurting the middle class,

the poor and the working class and really push, you know, these democracy and women's rights issues. Yeah, it's just so it's such a great example of what I write about in my book, which is called Bad News, How Woke Media is Undermining Democracy. And my book is about how the only it's about how the media has taken this posture where they're pushing a moral panic about race and gender to hide the class divide that so many on the left have benefited from. Right.

They don't want to talk about class. They don't want to talk about the class divide. They don't want to talk about how their policies continue to immiserate the working class and the poor. their policies continue to immiserate the working class and the poor. So they talk instead endlessly about racism and sexism and now, you know, democracy and Trump and white supremacy, because as long as they're talking about those things and making a moral panic around them, they don't have to talk about the ways in which they have benefited from the very things that have hurt most Americans, the average American. And this is such a perfect

example of that. We know that for Black Americans, the number one issue is the economy, jobs, inflation, and crime. We know this from polling over and over. You will never hear this stuff on CNN. You will never read about this stuff at the New York Times. You'll only read about inflation when it's getting a little bit better, right? That's when suddenly the word starts to show up in liberal media. That is what, you know, Black Americans are just like everybody else. They have the same concerns as everybody else. They just want a fair shot at the American dream, which they really haven't had until now.

You know, there are still barriers there. But instead of saying, hey, how can we make sure Black Americans have a fair shot at the American dream? The left has said the American dream is dead. America is an evil white supremacist state, right? Like they've given up on the very thing that minority voters still strive towards and still want, and then pretend that they're representing them with this sort of despair vision, right? And, you know, we know, for example, from Pew, that only 6% of Americans identify as progressive. And the way that they define people as progressive is they ask them, do you believe that America's institutions are so deeply racist that they all have to be destroyed and rebuilt from

the bottom up? So 90% of people who call themselves progressive said yes to that, right? Now, reading the mainstream media, you would think that that's 50% of Americans, right? That that's like, right? The whole Democratic Party believes that. No, it's just 6% of Americans. And just 6% of black Americans believe that black Americans are very moderate. Two thirds of black Americans call themselves moderate or conservative. They're definitely not progressive, barely a third of them call themselves liberal. So right, the question is,

why are you not seeing a bigger mass exodus like with Hispanic Americans? And I think it's because, you know, it's it's sad to say, but I think it's because Republicans sort of gave up on the community from an electoral point of view because they felt like the Democrats just have a lock on this. And so what ended up happening was black Americans were taken for granted and abused by the Democrats, but also ignored by the Republicans. And what I want to see is Republicans going into those communities and saying, look, these people have created a situation where your child can't go out into the street without getting shot. And the school that they're trying to get to is terrible. They can't learn how to read, right? We're going to show up and give you school choice and make these streets safe. So your kid is going to get a great education and they're not going to get shot on their way to getting it. I want to see the right picking this up, just like they're doing with Hispanic Americans saying, you know, you guys believe in the American dream. So we're

going to become the party of the American dream, like you really see a responsiveness there on the right to this new influx of Hispanic voters. And I really want to see that for the black community as well. So I agree and disagree with you. So if you look at President Trump, I think he did make a concerted effort for the African-American vote. He funded his black colleges. He tried, he said, listen, criminal justice reform is big for the community. I'm going to do that as well. Which by the way, I did not, I was a former prosecutor. I did not vote for that in the house. I'm just going to go on the record for that. And you guys know everyone can disagree with me on it, but I had my reasons. But to your point, you do have to show up. And if you don't show up in a community as a Republican

and say, this is what I'm doing, you might not agree with everything, but I care about your family. I care about your school. I care about inflation. I care about your upward mobility. I care about those things. And I'm going to fight for those things for you. If you don't show up and give that message, they're not going to vote for you. That's really simple. And Republicans don't show up, but here's that. That's, that's my comment. Here's my question for you. I find it fascinating. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, Sean. But wait, Sean, I have to,

go ahead. This is so interesting to me because I disagree with both of you in this so i think that i know i know i know i know so here's the deal i don't think the gop does a good job of reaching out to either of those groups what i think happens is i can't understand why the why the african american vote hasn't turned on the democrat on the democrat party more i don't understand if it's like um you know, Dan Bongino last week on our show was saying that people just get hopeless and they embrace the suck is what he calls it. I don't know if that's happened to the Black community. On the Hispanic

side, I think Hispanics literally said, you know, especially with the trans stuff and the school stuff, they just said, you know what? I can't relate to these people anymore. I think it was a movement. It was an organic movement within the Hispanic party to say, we don't want to be represented by these whack jobs anymore. And I don't know if that's because they're newer to the country or they're maybe more religious or they don't have some sort of, you know, ties to the party that are as deep and entrenched as the Democrats, if less of them are in welfare. I don't know what the answer is, but I don't think it's big.

I don't think the Hispanic movement has anything to do with the with the GOP. It has a hell of a lot more to do with how awful the Democrats have been and how the and how maybe the Hispanics just said we've had enough. Well, I think all of those issues are relevant from Hispanic working class, Hispanic people that I've spoken to and interviewed. I do think, you know, back to Sean's point, I mean, at the end of President Trump's first term, I think they looked at their wallets. I think they looked at the streets. I think they looked at the border and they thought, you know what, things are better. And, and I, I, you know, that that was true at the time. And so I, I do think that there is a little bit of sort of, you know, Trump's legacy there. And as well as, you know, he, he did get 20% of, of black men

voting for him, which is a, was a historic number and a huge shock. And, you know, of course, you know, the New York Times had to had to run op ed saying, look, even, you know, black men can become the handmaidens of white supremacy was how they put it in their classic disgusting way. But I'm sorry, Sean, what were you going to say? Well, so here's I found it fascinating that you're like, I'm a liberal, right? But and I'm a conservative, and I'm you're not going to get me I'm a liberal, right? But, and I'm a conservative and you're not gonna get me to be a liberal and I'm not gonna get you to be a conservative. But we have this massive middle ground with a traditional liberal and conservatism to say, what we do agree on is I want America to be great.

I want us to have a great economy. I want people to have upward mobility. There's a lot of issues we could fight about, but because the woke center of the leftist movement has gone so far, now we don't fight about those things we used to fight about. We come back and join hands and say, no, no, no, we're all fighting to go. How do we stop our elites from selling out our country to China? Why don't business men and women any longer say, you know what? I wear an American lapel pin.

I'm not going to sell my country out for a profit or my employees out for a profit who helped me build this company. I'm not going to move to China to make a few more dollars because I care about America. We don't have that any longer. And that's why I think the traditional liberal and the traditional conservative have kind of come together and said, you know what, we have far more in common as Americans than what divides us on these traditional labels that we can put on those two issues. And I find that, which is why I think you're fascinating and why I think you've struck a chord with conservatives as a very honest liberal who's like, I'm a traditional liberal. And I agree with so many of the things you guys are talking about because these are basic American issues. Am I wrong? No, I totally agree with you. If you look at the breakdown of the sort of the

American people, so, you know, about a third of Americans are socially liberal and economically liberal, meaning they want actually the kind of economic stuff that Trump did, which was extremely liberal, right? Very protectionist in nature, right? Upset a lot of people in his own party. But I thought that stuff was great. I mean, he did a lot of stuff that Sanders was running on in 2015, right? Getting rid of NAFTA, trade war with China, tariffs, right? All this stuff that I think is great, right? So you have a lot. But let me try to, I was one who was like, tariffs are bad. It's going to reduce trade. And with Trump, I really had to sit and think about what he was saying.

And I'm like, and maybe it was Trump had to be the messenger for me. But I was like, you know what? He's actually right when we're getting taken advantage of. And it's not fair trade. So it's not free trade. What the hell are we doing? I thought he was spot on. And I came over to the, maybe you want to call it the Bernie Sanders position, to go,

I thought he was spot on. And I came over to the maybe you want to call it the Bernie Sanders position to go. We should have policies in place to protect our workers when people aren't fair in in our in our in our trade with one another. You're absolutely right. And you saw conservatives, again, embrace this idea of liberal ideas that Donald Trump brought to the party. Right. So if Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer actually cared about working class Americans, they would have taken one look at that and said, my God, he's turning the Republicans into leftists on economic policy. We need to join hands because this guy will give us everything we've ever wanted. Instead, what they did was they elevated Liz Cheney. And I think that that is so interesting because what Trump represented was the ignored 25% of Americans who are socially conservative, but economically liberal. So they're working class.

They're religious. They don't believe in this trans stuff. They don't believe in this woke stuff. They believe in Dr. King's vision, right? You know, equality, dignity for every American. And they're economically liberal. They think that, you know, like you were saying earlier, Sean, free market principles have sold out the working class and enough is enough. We're not taking this trickle down nonsense anymore. That to me is what Trump

represented. It is a really important part of American life that had been erased by both sides of the political spectrum. And what you saw is a huge shift among Republicans towards suddenly recognizing and respecting these voters because they couldn't ignore them anymore. And meanwhile, what happened on the left was they leaned even further in to the totally insane, woke nonsense that like even their own voters are totally alienated by. And then elevated people like Liz Cheney, who represented the old model of being Republican, the free market stuff where you're socially conservative and economically conservative, that just has no real constituency.

And the war wing of the party. I mean, like, totally, totally. I mean, I mean, a lot of us, I'm one of those who was like, totally bought everything that the Bushes were selling and the Iraq war and the Cheneys. And I felt duped. And I was so relieved when Trump came along at, but might've been one of the, my primary issue was that he was saying out loud what we were all feeling. We were all embarrassed for having, um, believed and helped support and promote all these policies. And we were lied to, we found out, uh, you know, that,

you know, this whole thing about, you know, weapons of mass destruction, we were lied to. We destroyed the Middle East and we were embarrassed to have been part of it. And then came Donald Trump. The faster money and data move, the further your business can go to a seamless digital future for Canadians. The further your business can go to a seamless digital future for Canadians. Let's go faster forward together. In life, interact. Wait right there.

We're going to have more of that conversation next. So let me ask you this because you bring up such an interesting point. So I can understand why Nancy Pelosi would say, you know, she just seems like soulless, right? But Bernie Sanders was a true believer. And for whatever you thought, I mean, I, I, I, I can't stand him. I think I hate what he, you know, he embraced Hugo Chavez and, and, and destruction of the Venezuelan country and all this stuff I hate about him. But why didn't Bernie Sanders in the very least say oh my god donald trump is is bringing all these conservatives over to the idea that you know we need fair trade now maybe bernie still wanted to go off in some communist direction to be fair i think sean and

i were like we we want tariffs and and and fair and to get us to free trade, right? But why didn't Bernie say, yeah, right on Donald Trump? Why did he go along with Nancy in the, in the embracing of Liz Cheney? So I've spent a lot of time pondering that very question. While I was writing my book, I reached out to him many times to see if he would give me an interview, because obviously this is a big part of the story. I tell how, you know, Bernie Sanders in 2015, he did this 180 on immigration from saying, you know, open borders. That's a Koch brothers proposal in 2015 to being one of all, you know, almost every single one of the Democratic nominees, I mean, the Democratic primary campaigners raised their hands to say, including Bernie Sanders, to say they would decriminalize a legal border crossing in 2020. So he did this 180 on immigration. He embraced all of this woke language.

You know, Trump is the most xenophobic, racist, white supremacist, all of this, you know, just this language, this rhetoric, this list of complaints about Trump while ignoring these like massive, massive lefty achievements of family separation policy, there was no way to run against Trump and hit with the Trump derangement syndrome going on on the left without doing a 180 on immigration. But the more cynical part of me thinks, I think Bernie realized that that blacks were not going to vote for him because they're not actually socialists. They don't believe in that stuff. They believe in the American dream. They believe in capitalism. They just want a fair shot at it. It's actually a very entrepreneurial community. You know, so so he I think he realized he was not going to get the black vote. And so he decided instead to go after the Hispanic vote. And he made that very racist assumption about Hispanics, which is that that they're all pro-immigrant, which they're not. And so he did this 180 on immigration and he actually managed to get, I think, about 20, 20 percent more of the Hispanic vote in 2020 than in 2018, 2015. He was really targeting younger Hispanics who, that's right, you know, who had been to college. Right. So they learned all this stuff about how you're

supposed to believe in open borders or you're a racist, all this nonsense that their parents don't believe. So I think that that, you know, there's sort of multiple explanations for it. His campaign also, Hillary Clinton accused him of being sexist and racist. Right. So he was sort of I think he was very hurt by that. And so he felt that, you know, the way to combat that was to go woke. Right. Which and it was but it's very sad. I mean, that question, Rachel, I think is such a good question, because it really is a tragedy to me that he couldn't see that Trump was just taking a bulldozer to the neoliberal consensus and saying, I don't care, I only care about workers. And the idea that that that Sanders, who spent his life advocating for workers, couldn't see that this was and instead was obsessed with free college, which to me is so anathema to the needs of the working class. It is it's very tragic. Yeah, you know, I look at I think it's about power. Right. Trump, Trump was a threat to power. And I get this on both sides. I understand people want to have the White House party wants the White House and whatever you mean, people I know, there's a lot of people on the left that don't like Donald Trump. They don't like his tweets. I don't love all of his tweets. I don't like all the fights that he gets in. I don't, I don't, I mean, but again, I don't, should you go after it? You might

not like Colin Powell, but he died and you don't go after Colin Powell. I totally agree with you. You might, you might not like John McCain, but when he's passed, I don't think you go. And I know you guys really dislike each other. You were political enemies. But those are I don't I don't like that part of what he I agree with you on that. I agree with you on that. However, the the results of the policies of again, I'm going to fight for the American worker. I'm going to put America first. What's in our best interests? And if everyone does what's in their best interests, there's prosperity everywhere. And the result of that was profound. And I think the results are what Bernie Sanders would also like, what Nancy Pelosi would also like. They just couldn't stand

that it came from Donald Trump kind of melding this traditional Republican ideology with some traditional Democrat ideology and getting some really remarkable results from it. So I think it comes back to your point, Sean, 20 percent. The poverty rate for blacks fell below 20 percent for the first time under Donald Trump. And but again, it goes back to what we were saying, Sean, which is that, you know, Trump delivered that economically. He gave he gave them all that money for historically black colleges. So they didn't have to come back begging year after year for funding for that. I think he made it like a 10 or 15 years of funding. He gave them criminal justice reform, but he got nothing from them.

Very little in response to some movement among black males. But really, he didn't get a lot of reward for a lot of effort. He didn't do anything in particular for Hispanics, but Hispanics responded to the, the economy and the, and the, and the ability to open businesses and run them better. And so they, they voted for him in,

in bigger numbers without pandering. And Rachel, I think the message of that is that, that a future candidate will look at all the effort that Donald Trump did put in to try to say, hey, can we, listen, African Americans, I am your home. Come and vote for me. I'm working for you. And he got very little back from the voter, would tell a future presidential candidate to go, listen, I can't win that vote. I'm going to go, I'm going to try to win the Hispanic vote.

Go all in for Hispanics. Yeah, I think that's the, that's the message of the 2020 election. Yeah. And they're the, and by the way, they're the ones having babies. You and I have nine, but you know, lots of Hispanics are still having lots of babies. The black, the black rate, you know, birth rate is very low. So, I mean, if you're looking to the future, it's just a practical thing. But yeah want to you you mentioned the student loan issue. And obviously, President Biden is thinking about by the time this podcast drops, he might have already done it, is thinking about eradicating ten thousand dollars of student loan debt and debt that's held by the government, not debt that's held privately, like with a Sally May or someone else. What's your take on that? Good policy, bad policy? What do you believe? Oh, God, it just makes me see red. These people,

these podcasters sitting at home, you know, like looking their chops acting like, you know, their sort of, you know, gender studies, degree loans being paid off by working class Americans is some sort of social justice initiative. It really, really exposes the emptiness of all of that rhetoric. It's so disgusting to me. And we have actually an amazing op-ed at Newsweek up right now by a railroad worker out of Houston, Charles Stallworth. And he argues that student loan forgiveness is left-wing trickle-down economics. The idea is like, let the rich keep their money, right? And somehow everybody else will benefit. It's so disgusting.

And when you think about people who have medical debt, people who just their lives were ruined because of an act of God, they got sick, and now they're living with this debt, people losing their homes over medical debt. And this is the thing that they're going for, these overeducated elites who we know are on track to make millions more than working class Americans. We know that 60 percent of the debt is held by 40, the top 40 percent of Americans.

You know, we know that these debts are disproportionately held by white, rich people, dentists, doctors, accountants, lawyers, corporate lawyers. So Biden's proposal, he, you know, they wanted, you know, the squad is pushing always for like, cancel total student debt, right? You know, Rashida Tlaib, for example, who has $70,000 in student loans, you know, pushing for total student debt, right? This woman who makes $187,000 a year wants working class Americans who are struggling to pay off her loans. Okay, he's not doing that, at least, right? He's not doing what Elizabeth Warren wanted, which was $50,000. He's limited it to $10,000 for people making under $125,000 a year. I mean, it's better than what they were proposing, but I still think it's disgusting. I mean,

if you wanted to say for people making under $60,000, under $50,000 a year to give $10,000 off, that would make more sense because those are people who are sort of struggling at the same level with this burden, although I still wouldn't support it. I just think it really exposes the who the Democrats are pandering to and catering to and how, how much how little regard they have for the working class. Yeah, it's interesting when you were saying about all the metal, you know, people who are working class poor have have medical debt. What if their medical debt self-identified as student loan debt? Would that count? But it brings us to a great point, which is if they were going to eliminate debt, why do it for college loan debts? Why not for it for college loan debts? Why not for people's, the kind of debt that normal working class poor people have? And I think this hopefully will wake people up a little bit, but in the end,

it just sounds like it's actually going to help them win over some of the young people that they probably have been losing over the last year with such bad policies. But I have to tell you, you are a fascinating guest. We're so glad to have you on. Don't don't close. Oh, yeah. I got one more question. Go ahead. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Go for it. So this is what frustrates me on the student loan debt. So there's three, there's three participants. There's the federal government who's giving loans,

there's the student who's taking loans, and there's the college or the university that's taking the money, right? And so one, the student is stuck with the debt, maybe with a degree they should not have received that could never allow them a salary that could pay the debt back. You have the taxpayer through the government that's on the hook, but you have the university. And so we're talking about the, again, the student's going to pay the debt back, maybe less $10,000. We're going to have the taxpayer take on $10,000 of debt on behalf of the student. But the one that's untouched is the university who let that student go to their college, go to their university, take out all these loans, and get a degree that doesn't allow them to pay the debt back or makes it hard for them to pay the debt back. I don't understand. If you want to change the cost

structure of universities and colleges, you have to put them on the hook for the prices that they charge and for students' ability after graduation to actually pay the debt back. And if you don't actually put them on the hook, there's going to be no cost restructuring at all in universities. So I make this, in the last 40 years, since 1980, the cost of college when adjusted for inflation has gone up by 180%. If you look at automobiles over the course of the last 110 years since the Model T came out in 1909, the cost hasn't gone up really at all. A Model T, I believe, would cost $25,000 today. You can buy a car for $18,000 that's more reliable, has more features than anything the Model T ever had. But we've innovated, we've created, made things

cheaper that we haven't done that with universities. And it only is a suck of money that we just keep funding is I think the real problem. I think you could argue the education's worse, Sean. I mean, like that people are maturing in, like they're taking classes on Madonna's impact on feminism and all this crap. Right. I mean, although I love Madonna and feminism, I'm not sure I want the taxpayer to pay for that. No. And we know that the that 180 percent increase, we know that the vast majority of that is going to administrators, you know, yes. vast majority of that is going to administrators, you know, DEI, right? Initiatives, equity initiatives, you know, just going to pay, you know, 150, $250,000 a year salaries to people

to enforce wokeness at the administrative level. It's really, really, really appalling. I totally agree with you, Sean. It's really good point. Yeah. Thank you. I thought it was a good point, too. He wanted to make sure he got that great point in. You can't be the only one with the good points, Batya. Yes. Listen, Batya, I'm going to echo Rachel's point. I think you've been a fascinating commentator, smart, and again, that bring these ideas together that kind of get Americans to rally around, again, concepts that are all ideas together that kind of get Americans to rally around, again, concepts that are all American, that help all Americans out. And I commend you for that. And also being a liberal who likes to go on more conservative leaning programs. I think that's wonderful. And I commend you for that. Before we go, give me the name of your book again. And

what am I going to learn? Why do I want to go buy your book? Give us a pitch. My book is called Bad News, How Woke Media is Undermining Democracy. And it's about how the media got so bad. It's about how the left-wing media went from being just liberal to being woke. And I argue that they're pushing a moral panic about race and gender to hide the fact that all of these journalists have undergone this status revolution over the last hundred years. You know, journalism used to be a working class trade, you know, and today it's you really have to come from the elites

to become a journalist, especially in the liberal side. And I argue that they've benefited from inequality in America. And to hide that they talk endlessly about race, even though Americans have never been less racist. You know, thank God. Thank God. Finally, you know, the mainstream American view now is that every human, you know, God created us all equally and we all deserve to live with dignity and equality. That is now what everybody believes. And so they had to move the goalposts and create a new standard so that they could call all the other Americans racist and look down really at President Trump's base. So yeah, that's the book. It's about why when you turn on CNN or read the New York Times, you feel that they have so much contempt for you. It tells that story and explains how that happened and why. And yeah, that's the book. What a great topic.

You know, what I love about about you in general is you give me a lot of hope. You know, sometimes when we do read the New York Times, when we do see the liberal media, we get this distorted view about this divide in America. And sometimes, you know, us on the conservative cycle, maybe we should have this amicable divorce, you know, in our country where we just kind of go, let us do our thing. You guys go and have your liberal world. But you're a reminder that that vision, that New York Times vision of America is actually distortion. I believe, I hope, I pray that there are a lot more Batyas and Sean Duffies and Rachels who agree and have so much more in common and that that's really where America's at and that we are getting this distorted view. You are fascinating.

We hope to have you back. I hope everyone gets your book and reads your articles because, and you're at Newsweek, correct? I am at Newsweek, yes. And so I just think you're amazing. So thank you so much. Thank you.

Right back at you. God bless you both so much. I mean, what you're doing is so important and thank you so much for having me. Of course. Thank you for joining us, Batia. Have a great day. You too. All right. Well, what a great conversation with Batia, Sean. I think that, again, she just brings me a lot of hope. I hope there are more of all of us that kind of have that common view as we talked about there. No, I was going to object and I didn't.

She said, you don't agree with trickle-down economics. Again, I believe that an economy where you have growing industry, growing business creates more jobs. And again, we don't have trickle-down economics in the sense that we have those who might offer jobs actually leaving to make more money elsewhere, which is a huge problem. But I come back to this idea, Rachel, that there is a wide swath of America, again, liberals and conservatives, who again, as I mentioned to her, we could fight about a ton of different things. But there's something very fundamental and basic that's wrong in America right now, that the woke side of politics has made everyone get unified about who we should be and

who we should fight for, and what our future should look like. And to your point, I take heart in that. I believe that's a really positive sign that you can have, again, she's like, I'm a liberal. But this is insane, What's happening? I think that, you know, I've been somewhat pessimistic on how we move forward, how do we come together? And she gave me a lot of, a lot, a lot more hope than I had that there's a lot more just Americans who believe that this is the wrong direction. Yeah. And also that Americans are not dumb. I mean, I think that, you know, she talked, she and Kat Kamak talked about the cruelty of these policies and how so much of this, as you said, Sean, is about power and ideology and putting people behind this ideology and this desire for party on the left side. And that people are waking up to it.

You see it on the Hispanic side. You see some minglings on the left side and that people are waking up to it. You see it on the Hispanic side. Um, you see some minglings on the African-American side. I don't, I don't see as much as I think, um, it merits, um, given what's happened to the, their families and their communities, um, under liberal leadership, it's, it still perplexes me. Um, but you know, on the other hand, I do think that, you know, there's a lot of forces out there, powerful forces, media forces, trying to have us see it the liberal way. And people are seeing through all this. And I don't know if it was the pandemic, what happened to Hispanic small businesses. As you know, Sean, that they are, you know, Hispanics are the most entrepreneurial demographic in the country.

And small businesses were hurt. And the um, made more money over the pandemic. No one doubts what happened there. Um, mid, uh, you know, you, all the, uh, the, the, the kids from the poorest communities were the ones who were hurt the most by the pandemic, um, policies around lockdowns and schools, middle-class upper middle-class rich kids moved to private schools if they weren't already in them, or they created pods because their moms were home and, or their parents had, you know, jobs that allowed them to work from home. But those who were essential workers, their kids were screwed. And now we have millions of kids who are just not even showing up to school anymore. They just got out of the habit. Those aren't rich kids. Those are poor kids, probably mostly African-American kids.

So I am still perplexed that some elements of the Democrat Party have not woken up. And that others, you know, in the population at large in America are waking up and seeing that we have a lot more in common in fighting this, these policies, this globalism and this, these power hungry wokesters. I think you're right. And here's what I think is happening, Rachel. You have, you have the Hispanic community. And again, you make a good point. It's like, it's this montage of people from different countries that make up the Hispanic community. And again, you make a good point. It's like it's this montage of people from different countries that make up the Hispanic community. And Mexicans are different than Cubans that are different than Central Americans. I mean, it's a it's a different body that with a lot of different viewpoints. It's that's a little different than I think other classes or groups in America. But I believe that there's this idea with this base that still holds on to the Democrat Party, and especially working class, middle income, even lower income folks who believe the Democrats are fighting for them. And they trust that the policies that they're implementing, like open borders, they believe that's going to be good for them. They believe that climate change and moving to green is going to be good for them. They believe that climate change

and moving to green is going to be good for them, right? They trust that what Democrats are doing is going to be positive for their families and for their lives. And I think when the policy, if implemented, God help us, it's going to destroy people's net worth, their opportunities, their jobs. It's going to destroy the dollar, what we're doing with all the spending and borrowing. And when people realize that what Democrats have done has, to your point, enriched the rich liberals, but impoverished them, you're going to have a revolution on your hands. You're going to have people rise up really angry at the elites who have so much and have taken so much from the rest of America. And those things are really bad.

You see throughout history when those things happen, they're not pretty. But there will be an awakening at some point because people won't go down having had so much freedom, so much opportunity, so much wealth creation, even in the poorer communities and in the middle class, because there's been a steady upward mobility that's happened in our society. When that happens, this awakening happens, I think you're going to see really nasty things happen for these rich liberals who have pushed these not only policies on this country. So it might work today. Unless, you know, the Republicans, you know, take over in the midterms, a Republican wins, you know, Trump or DeSantis or whoever in 2024, and we see the pendulum come back, right? And that's, you know, that could happen before things get ugly. But I do think that if, if people fall for the, if people fall for, oh, it's not inflation, this is about,

you know, abortion and, and, and more race riots, and all of that, we're going to see a tearing apart of this country even more than we have. I agree with you on that. in more than we have. I agree with you on that. So just my view is it's hard to see a bright future for the GOP after maybe the 2024 election. The Republicans may win there, but when you have woke Wall Street, woke corporations, woke social media, woke Hollywood, woke universities. Woke young people. Yes. And the social media drives these ideas into our kids that pollutes their minds. It's pretty hard to see how people come back to this center of kind of traditional conservative America. And so if we are going to save it, and I say this every chance I get, we're going to save it in our homes.

We can't let our kids go to these schools. We have to do everything we can to get our kids out of the indoctrination institutions of K through 12. We need money attached to the kids and not the systems. I'm so tired of funding with our own tax dollars, whether it's at K through 12 or even at universities that we continue to fund people who are indoctrinating our kids. It's interesting what Batya was talking about. You know, Bernie's, you know, made some advancements with Hispanics, but he did it with woke Hispanic young people. She was absolutely right about that. And he had a he Bernie had this guy that was working on his behalf for the Hispanic vote. And they were the they were the Latin X people and the rest of Hispanics were like, who are these

people right now? We're the majority. Those of us who think Latin X is BS, but the young people coming up are being fed this stuff. And so the future you're right. Doesn't look bright unless we change these systems and you're right. It starts in the home, but we also have to stop funding, um, with our tax dollars, these systems. And you're right. It starts in the home, but we also have to stop funding with our tax dollars, these systems. And we have, that means we have to get involved politically to change that.

That's right. Save America, save your family. That's how you do it. Save your family and save America. If we all do that, at least we get like three quarters of our kids to come the right way. We are winning. So that's all of our missions is save our own families. So Rachel, I listen, this was a fascinating podcast from Kat to Batia. Love the insight both of them brought from the border to woke liberalism in America. Absolutely. Listen, if you liked our podcast, you can rate, review, subscribe anywhere you get your podcasts. Thank you for joining us at the kitchen table table and for what was a longer conversation than normal today we appreciate you uh sticking with us and enjoying a cup of coffee at the kitchen table don't feel bad if the convo is good just keep it

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