From the Kitchen Table: The Duffys - The Duffys Respond To Sean Fat-Shaming Rachel On Live TV

Episode Date: June 22, 2024

Last week, after joining Rachel on FOX & Friends Weekend, Sean received some heat from the media for telling Rachel she's "never looked better" than when she was doing a Jillian Michaels workout. Though the comment rolled right past them, a few hours later their phones started pinging with notifications that Sean was guilty of fat-shaming his wife on live TV. So, Sean and Rachel are here this week to clear the air & react to the scandal!   Follow Sean & Rachel on X: @SeanDuffyWI & @RCamposDuffy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Landman, new series now streaming exclusively on Paramount+. Hey everyone, welcome to From the Kitchen Table. I'm Sean Duffy along with my co-host for the podcast, my partner in life, usually my partner in life, and my wife, Rachel Campos. Duffy, I got a minute to rework this intro. No, you're still my husband. You don't get to divorce me.

I appreciate that. Because you fat shame me according to Daily Mail. So listen, we're going to fill you in on this because this is funny um i have a segment on the weekend on fox and friends it does very well it's very popular it's called rachel's pop culture roundup and occasionally i have sean come on and do the pop culture roundup with me and this week i had him come on and this last weekend and it was father's day. And we said, let's do the, we'll do some stuff as well. We had a secret video from the kids that they did, which was really sweet.

But before that, in the pop culture segment, Sean and I both love Jillian Michaels because we, we, you know, we love her workout videos. video she's a uh was the of course the the lead person the lead trainer on you know the biggest loser um which was a very popular reality show where people you know tried to lose weight and she was a pretty tough trainer and we've had her on the podcast before but she recently made news because she was dissing on california and saying california's gotten too crazy, even for liberal Jillian Michaels. And we just started riffing about Jillian Michaels. And here's how that went. She's saying about California what everyone thinks. You can't live there.

The policies are so crazy. And again, you can't out-victim Jillian. And when she leaves, she's like, maybe something's going wrong in California. By the way, you never looked better when you were doing the Jillian Michaels workout. I know. I did used to do a workout. i did get fit with it and we had her on and she's like you got to get back on it rachel and i do i do i got to do it okay so that's that's a segment the day after now hold on so let's be clear what did i say i said you never looked better than when you were doing the jillian michaels, okay? Which is a fact. Which is a fact. So she has a workout program called Shed and Shred. And it is very hard.

It's like, I don't know, 35 minutes or more. It's like 20 years old or 15 years old, and she's kind of mean in it. I keep saying I'm going to go back and do it. And actually, she has a new app. And I told her that. I said, I never look better than when I did Shed and Shred. And she said, well, you can still do it. And it's on my app, too.

So anyway, Sean made the comment. It's something that we've talked about, not on TV, but between the two of us. Yeah, I've been like, I should go pull out that old VHS tape and do Jillian and Michael. So wait a minute. So Sean makes the comment. I don't think anything of it. So wait a minute. Sean makes the comment.

I don't think anything of it because, as I said, it is fundamentally true that I didn't look better than when I did Shed and Shred. I'm probably selling a lot of Shed and Shred DVDs right now. It's just it's a tough, crazy workout. If you're consistent, I promise you, you'll get results. I'm not getting any profits from Julian Michaels. I'm just telling you it was just true. Okay. So we walk off the set. We're totally fine, right?

And Will came. So I sit down on the couch. There's a break now, and I just go sit down. There's a commercial break, and he sits down on the couch with Will and Pete. And Will goes, ooh, I wouldn't have said that. And I'm like, what? He's like, Rachel never looked better when she did Jillian Michaels. What are you saying?

That she doesn't look good now. Right. And I was and i was like huh like that's not what i was saying at all i think she looks great take it that way by the way i just texted her how beautiful she looked in the show i actually said you look really sexy today is what i did he had texted me and okay so then then we don't think anything of it and we finish the show off and we go to home and we celebrate father's day and starting that evening all of a sudden ding okay the ding is sean and i get google alerts on our phone when when there's stories about us ding ding ding ding ding ding and the stories are fox news host humiliates wife on air because she looked better when she was working out or read some more of them sean but okay by the way i love these fox news hosts fat shames wife on national television by the way i'm gonna be clear

i haven't read any of these i was like i can't i can't he's mortified by it i'm getting i read all of them that would pull the titles. Keep reading the titles. Yeah, thanks. I have to read. This is like, they're so good. It's like reading bad tweets. Yeah.

These are like reading mean tweets. Sean Duffy tells wife she looked better when she worked out. Sean Duffy tells wife the mother of nine children. Oh, that's bad. Mother of nine. Oh, that's bad. News host humiliates wife on air because she looked better when she worked out. Sean Duffy tells wife she looked better when she worked out.

I'm like, there's a ton of articles here. There's like tons and tons. I mean, by the way, Sean knows I'm obsessed with the Daily Mail. And so I was like, I was, you know, sort of secretly okay that it made the Daily Mail. It's like, just spell my name wrong. It's my favorite, like, you know, gossip brag. But it was everywhere. And I guess it's really an interesting thing because when I read comments, you didn't want to read the comments. I didn't read the articles. Yeah. I read the articles and

the comments. And there was really a divide of people who said, I get what Sean was saying. Clearly they're comfortable with each other and blah, blah, blah. Versus people who are like, with each other and blah, blah, blah, versus people who are like, he should never have said that and commented on anything that related to her weight and people who thought you really were fat shaming me. So let me be, this was a, I had to come clean on the podcast, right? But I felt horrible. I'm like, that's not what I actually had to go. What did I say?

Why are they saying I said that you were fat so I had to go back and I rewatched at least the clip where I said you never look better and again it wasn't saying because actually you work out now you've been on a little workout routine you've been in the process

the problem isn't that I don't work out my problem is I'm not consistently working out and you consistently did Jillian and what I was trying to say is Jillian's got a great workout. I thought you were going to say, Jillian has a great body. Jillian, no, I'm not. By the way, I think Rachel is beautiful.

Oh, you don't have to say that. I know I don't have to, but I tell you that all the time. I know you do. I'm very attracted to my wife. I have nine kids with her. You obviously like your wife if you have nine kids. I like my wife a lot. I do a podcast with her we share everything together i would never say anything well that that would lead people to believe that i would say anything like these headlines okay so here's the funniest part about this whole thing the funniest part is that if anyone in this relationship is guilty of fat shaming it's me so it all started in congress

there is a reason why all congressmen start off looking good and just get doughier and doughier with the exception of paul ryan who was a very disciplined workout guy but mark wayne mullen who was in congress on the senate. Okay. He's a, he's a fighter. Okay. He's still looking good. But most people go to Congress. They have the craziest schedule.

You, you cannot imagine their schedule. In fact, sometimes I would go visit Sean when he was in Congress and I would just walk through his day. And then I would be like, I think I'd rather go home and change like 20 diapers and do the kids because it's so hard.

They don't have time in the day. And unless you're really, really disciplined, the workouts are very easy to slip away. But the worst part is the food. They have to do fundraisers and they have to go to these little gatherings. And there's always little finger food and there's always dessert. There's desserts. And they all meet at the Capitol Hill Club. And there's a French fries and have a drink or a beer.

The little hot dogs. What do they call hot dogs? Oh, pigs in a blanket. Pigs in a blanket. Oh, those will get you. Okay, so here's the deal. Sean went in pretty fit. He at one point, how much weight do you think he put on in Congress?

I think about like 35 pounds. 35 pounds. Maybe 40. And the whole way I tried to do it nicely. So I would call his scheduler and be like, have you scheduled a workout into Sean's day? Because the scheduler has two full time schedulers when you're in Congress. And then it just got to the point where I had to just be really direct and go, this is getting really bad so it's funny that these articles were written about sean fat shaming for saying you never look better than when you did jillian workout which as i said is just

fundamentally true it's it's it's it's it's just undeniable um and and by the way that happened when you're probably just in congress when i started doing that yes that's probably in a couple years yeah um and i just had a baby and i was dedicated and i don't know why i stopped but i did um anyway and so then you you get you get and then i thought to sean i'm like you know you always think when you're on tv the funniest thing is that you say things and then like like 10 minutes later or 10 days later you think of what you should have said in the moment and uh what i should have said to sean was yeah you never looked better either because he got on jillian's workout and he probably that probably might have affected your manhood for people to know that you were also

doing the jillian michaels but you told you you fessed that up to jillian i did tell jillian and by the way so i i would have been embarrassed had you called me out like that but i was i would actually maybe you deserved it if i had i have gone. I sometimes went to the house gym that pull her up on my computer. And sometimes I'd be doing her a little, you know, little hand walk. And I'm like, by the way, that was so dumb. It's like get your ass in there and start lifting weights, which I now figured out way too late. I wasted time. Sean was fit from lumberjack sports.

And then when lumberjack sports went away and he went to Congress, he, um, he, he then, you know, started putting on weight. Yeah. And,

and so, um, again, it was a long process, but again, I, I'm, we're doing this podcast because I got so much blowback and so much hate.

Um, and it's interesting. There is a female male inequality about that, right? It's like, there's nothing going on in the world. Really? Like Ukraine, you know, hundreds of billions of dollars in the Middle East is blowing up and the borders open and crimes like rampant.

There's lawfare. And we're talking about me saying you look great when you did Jillian. But you know what, Sean? That's kind of what I love about it. You I get what you're saying. Like, yeah, we are on the verge of World War Three. And and there's like 20 articles about what Sean said I love about it. I get what you're saying. Like, yeah, we are on the verge of World War III. And there's like 20 articles about what Sean said to Rachel about it. But what I love about it, it's kind of like goes back to the Royals, Sean, where you're like, why are we talking about the Royals?

There's all these things that are important. But in the end, the Royals are a family story, right? Like every family has a Harry. Every family has a Megan. You know, every family deals with these family squabbles, just like the relationship between the sexes, male and female. There are these, you know, areas that are very controversial. For example, what I just said, I think there's probably a hell of a lot more women who are fine and society is fine with women telling men that they need to lose weight. In fact, by the way, a proof of this, there's data to prove this.

Men who are married are less likely to be overweight. Men who are married and it seems counterintuitive, right? You're single. You have all this time on your hand. You would think you would be healthier. It turns out men who are married, and it seems counterintuitive, right? You're single. You have all this time on your hand. You would think you would be healthier. It turns out men who are married are healthier. They live longer than their single counterparts. There's only one explanation. Wives, nagging wives who are trying to get their husbands to be healthier. And yet, you could say you were trying.

Maybe you were just making an offhanded comment. But let's be clear. It is very true that I was fit, more fit before. And maybe, maybe even subconsciously you were trying to tell me that. Listen, I was not trying to tell you that because on our previous podcast, I've talked about your lack of discipline in the workout. Right. Because Sean's favorite comment about me, which is actually, this is this is true too Sean will say wearing workout clothes doesn't mean you work because she'll put on a workout stuff and show up in the house intention

for like hours and then she doesn't work out and I'll come home and like oh my gosh you worked out she's like no I just put the workout clothes on and I never got to the workout because I pipe emptying dishwashers and doing laundry talk about so in but again i would we'll talk we'll talk about how i when i don't work out you go okay listen you're getting back in the gym and i'll talk about you because you know what you care about my health and i care about your health and um we have those conversations and if i said you looked fat, if I said anything, if I was fat shaming you, like any of these titles were saying, I would feel really horrible. But what, but what people are responding to is the fact that you said you never looked better, which implicitly

means that you look better than they do now, or that I didn't look good now. No, I would. It's true that when you did Jillian, and you did it for like four months straight, you were fitter then than you are with random workouts today. And is that true? Yes. Yeah. Was I fitter when I did lumberjack sports? Yes.

100%. Were most of us more fit 12 years ago than we are today? Yes. Rachel, can I tell this? 100% Were most of us more fit 12 years ago Than we are today? Yes Rachel A couple days ago Rachel said oh my gosh I saw this picture of you You look so young When was it taken? She's like six years ago I'm like so you're saying I've aged

Six years? I didn't mean that You took it really bad actually You did take that one bad. Right. But that was true of the picture. You did look younger. Well, duh.

Like six years ago, we all looked younger. So that's the backstory of... And by the way, Rachel did send me a few of the snarkier comments about how mean I was in this comment. And then because I wasn't looking at the Google alerts, she did send me a few of the headlines. I was driving back to Wisconsin on Sunday when all these things were dropping. My mom is not doing very well right now. And so I wanted to go back and see her and I went back.

But in the process, I also texted Bill Kane. Oh, you did? I did. And I sent him. So funny, I didn't know that. I sent Will a copy or I put in the link to a Daily Mail article. It said, Sean Duffy tells wife she looked better when she worked out on TV. And he was the first one to comment, as you said.

And I thought he was full of, I'm like, come on, Will. You don't fill up your wife's car with gas. Don't tell me I was offending my wife. There's a big debate about that. Will doesn't fill up his wife's car with gas. Don't tell me I was offending my wife. And there's a big debate about that. Will doesn't fill up his wife's car with gas. And like half of the Fox viewers, like we're outraged by it. Right.

And I said, I guess, I guess the daily mail and multiple other outlets agree with your assessment on our segment. Oh, and he's, and then we'll respond. Oh,

Oh no, that's all I got from him. But yeah, he, he, he saw the danger in the car. Oh, yeah. By the way.

Well, he's he's he's aware of the Google alert world of all these liberal rags. They're just they watch Fox and they're trying to find something. And but I do think it hits on it hits on the reason there's all those articles. Isn't just that there's a bunch of bored media matters, you know, people story people who who hate us because you know we like donald trump or we're fox or whatever um i do think that and that's why jillian michaels role in this is so interesting because jillian michaels is also really well known for i mean that's why she was honest about the california comment she's been honest about weight. When we had her on, we talked about, you know, the fact that she has said, no, this whole idea of, you know, fat positive and telling people that, you know, it's, yeah, it's, it's not

good for them. It may make them feel better. it may even make you feel better but at some point people need to be faced with the truth for some people like for sean i had been telling him for a while you're really kind of putting on weight in congress you're putting on weight in congress called the scheduler but it wasn't until there was a christmas like we go to this christmas lunch um with his family up in up in Bayfield, Wisconsin. And somebody took a picture of the family. And Sean literally said, I don't recognize myself in that photo. And he it just kind of sneaks up on you.

So for some people, it's a photo they see of themselves or it's somebody telling them. But in the end, the idea of not this idea, you're fat shaming people or, you know, this whole Lizzo thing. In the end, it's not you're not doing that person a favor by lying to them. We'll have more of this conversation after this. Breaking news happens anywhere, anytime. Police have warned the protesters repeatedly get back. CBC News brings the story to you as it happens hundreds of wildfires are burning be the first to know what's going on and what that means for you

and for canadians this situation has changed very quickly helping make sense of the world when it matters most stay in the know. CBC News. So let's step outside my comment for a moment. And let's just talk about men and women. And we touched on this before. And anyone in a relationship will acknowledge that this is true. To your point, women can tell their boyfriends or their husbands that they're getting doughy they're getting pudgy they're getting fat and to all the women listening what would happen if your husband said the same thing to you right you have to say it a different way i guarantee you it's never happened to you because all men know better than to say anything like what their wives say to them back to their wives because it'll blow

up it won't go what if the guy says it to his wife on live television i didn't say that though right even better even better and and but i or what what if i this is an interesting question what if i had said that to you? I would have been like, you know, I agree. Yeah. I've agreed. I had gotten so. You know what I got out of this, Sean?

It's so interesting because the Google alerts kept coming. By the way, it lasted for three days. And then I think Justin Timberlake got a DUI and then it went away. So, but I think that first of all, we're not big enough celebrities to like end up there. Daily Mail. What I searched is Sean Duffy calls white fat on Google. All these articles.

I think it wasn't that it was you and I, because obviously we're not like Justin Timberlake. We're not that famous at all, except within the Fox family, or if you're on The Real World, if you watch The Real World. But I think it was about the fact that we were husband and wife and that this happened on live air. And I think a lot of couples could relate to what would happen if that had happened to me. Or what about their own situation that we

just described here? You know, your husband's putting on weight, your wife's putting on weight. How do you deal with it? All of that is is is something that people are dealing with. What I got out of it, though, Sean, is that I felt really grateful for the length of our relationship. And by that, I mean, we've been married 25 years and we're friends. I mean, we're lovers, we're spouses, we have children together, we have coffee together, we have coffee together, but we're also very good friends. And so, you know, if somebody had a very

shaky relationship, maybe something like that could have been, you know, something that, that, you know, shook that relationship or somehow cracked it. But there is something so solid about being in a relationship where you can sometimes say things the wrong way, or even say difficult things. And it's not going to damage this solid thing, right? Like, it doesn't matter what you throw at it, it's not going to damage this solid thing, right? Like it doesn't matter what you throw at it. It's not going to crack it. And I thought for me, you know, maybe, I don't know, maybe early in our marriage,

maybe I would have been more sensitive about it. But I feel like, you know, first of all, I have nine kids, you know. What has happened to the world when i just commented that you you looked great when you did jillian right and then what you said on it when you said it on here i was not offended but once i got the google alerts i think somebody in a in a in a more precarious relationship it might actually it might actually you know cause some trouble in paradise and to be right it may because um i mean did it cause trouble in paradise for us no we laughed about it well actually i was horrified you were mortified but i was like come on and then i i profusely

apologized i go that's not what i meant i said this and was you know what i was what i was saying this is not the interpretation of what I was trying to convey by what you said, you would have said what you said to me here on, on the podcast or on our couch, you were mortified by how the media twisted it and take it. Right. But again, I think it's a, it's, we become so, I think it's, it's not to make another fat comment, but we've become so soft as a culture, right?

I'm very soft. And again, this is coming at a time when all the people that are writing about how horrible I am, that I'm fat shaming you, which I did not do. They're the ones that are the first ones like we need di we need lgbtq we can't let donald trump's speeches go men men who say that women should be competing against you know girls and girls sports because there's no difference in the sexes they're the ones that are talking about that but they're the first ones who will go oh no oh whoa what did he say about his wife right what was it they're the first ones to jump into

that there actually is a difference between men and women. Are you saying that Will Kane works for a raw story in Media Matters? Because the first person to go, whoa, was Will Kane. Yeah, that's actually true. I don't want to come back for that.

But you know what Will Kane is? If he wants to show you, you know it's true. He is an over analyzer i mean we could be talking about bananas and he's gonna over over analyze who likes bananas why we like bananas that and so he that was it doesn't surprise me at all that the first person and it was like literally sean sat on the couch and will said, Will goes, Ooh, I wouldn't have said that. I was like, that's so dumb. Will was right. By the way, on the bananas, Will will talk about how he loves bananas and Pete loves apples and the apples

and banana conversations. These kind of in-depth conversations happen on Fox and Friends weekend. It's World War III, but we're going to analyze what's a better snack, banana or apples. And the segment ends with Pete Hexeth going, well, that's great. Will you walk down and eat your banana down Sixth Avenue? And then it ended with that. We ended the segment.

So, okay. That's the backstory. Here's the question, though. The big question is, will Sean Duffy be invited back to Pop Culture? Round up. No, no. So you did the show. You did the show on Monday morning, Fox and Friends.

And yes, from the house. I wasn't here. You signed on. And then you have one of the producers to go. Oh, yeah. As soon as like the next day I had a hit on Fox and Friends. And one of the producers was like, oh, I saw these. It went it went viral.

It was at the top of the Daily Mail. Like, can you believe that? It was crazy. And I don't know. Maybe you were even trending on Twitter twitter i didn't even listen i could well i don't look anymore because i was so yeah you were driving i'm glad you know what that's the best thing like something like mortifying like this happens and you're driving to wisconsin to do something very important which your mom is not doing well and so you were driving back to be with your mom and then you you know you didn't have to deal with all the craziness but this goes back to

our time in congress as well like there were things the smallest things were said about me and i would read them and i would i would just become consumed by it and how could they say that and this article wasn't fair and i never did this and i never said that and i was over overly sensitive only in the early years oh no and i'd say in the early months of the campaign when it really heated up but after you take abuse and there's a lot of lies that are said about you and a lot of misinformation yeah you get punched on a lot and after a while you just shrug your shoulders and go whatever um and i kind of had that with this once you were were okay, I'm like, my wife is not kicking me out of the bedroom.

My wife is not kicking me. I'm not in the doghouse. I'm not sleeping on the couch. Then I'm like, okay. By the way, you did say you probably shouldn't have said that on TV because it can be taken the way that people took it. You probably shouldn't have said that.

I know exactly what you're saying. I'm laughing about it. I mean, come on. Which I appreciate. And maybe that's a testament to 25 years in marriage. Or maybe it's just you know what it is? Maybe it's just I married a good conservative wife who doesn't take this woke shit too seriously.

It's that. But I think it's also my age. You know, I'm 50 going on 53 years old. And there is something that happens to women when they turn 50. And you either love it as a spouse or you don't because the point is, I just don't care. I literally feel like there's this weird, I don't care gene that got injected into my body when I turned 50. First of all, I've always had very thick skin. I went through real world and people criticizing my looks and how, you know,

at 22, you know, when I was looking, you know, young and fresh. So listen, I, my skin, I've always said to Sean is like an armadillo. And then you go through Congress, Sean and politics for 10 years. Oh my God. I am an armadillo. I really have very thick skin. But literally at 50, I just stopped caring. I literally have stopped caring. And I literally look at my body and I go, I know I should work out more. And I should do it for my health.

But I am so proud of the fact that i have had nine kids um and and that you know i've remained relatively healthy and and honestly i just don't care what strangers think about me anymore i really only care about what the people around me think and i know what you meant by that comment i didn't take it bad when we walked off the set we were on good terms because i didn't even think about it when it happened and i think you know the way i think about you and the way you look in your body so we're going to keep this g-rated but obviously i'm very attracted to my wife and i think she's yeah and she's she's she's wonderful um in all kinds of ways and so uh just so you all know we're doing this to let you all

know we're not getting a divorce and there's no divorce after what we are going to think about whether we should let him back on pop culture well maybe we'll take a poll on whether we should let sean back on pop culture you could replay my we should you know why i don't want to let you back on pop culture because i'm afraid you'll be guarded now the whole point of pop culture segment is we just kind of go off and have fun so we're having fun we are okay and we're gonna make it through this time make it through this um and so as someone can make one small pivot here we're we're coming into the fourth of july too. It's a time for us that we are incredibly excited. Cause we just spent a lot of family time together. And just on this point,

and I hope, and I, and I mentioned this cause I think families should do this as we come into the, you know, the heart of, by the way, today's the 21st.

If you're listening to us on the day of this drop, it's the longest day, the summer solstice, the longest day of the year. And I like to think about what am I going to do with my family? am i going to do because they're either off of school the weather's warm you know and i try to think through those things and plan i spend a lot of time planning on what we can all do together because as all the dads and moms well we only do one thing in the summer doesn't just happen though it actually takes you know there's a lot of planning and

preparation and this year i i usually plan a lot of planning and preparation. And this year, I usually plan a lot more and prep more. I've got this other thing I'm dealing with with my family, so I haven't done as much of it, but I still think about it and how can I get people to help me prep so I get some good time in Wisconsin at my cabin with our kids. Yeah. Well, I told you that we should just all land and go. We're going to work as a family and get it all done. We've got some help before we get there, but there's a lot of stuff that has to be done. I'm fine with that because Rachel gets there two days before me,

so you guys get it all done. I'm not going to start until you get there. Until I get there. That's great. I love this. You guys take care of all. I've decided that you can make up for your comment by just taking on the garage now. Exactly.

By yourselves. This will be used to get some extra chores out of me because she's been so forgiving. So, again, plan your summer. Plan your summer well. Plan your 4th of July well. Celebrate the 4th of July. Make sure your kids. Celebrate the 4th of July, the meeting, but also just in terms of the summer in general.

It's a magical time when kids are off of school and it's a great time for families to come together. And it doesn't matter if you're going camping or on a road trip. You can't fire in your backyard. You can't fire in your backyard. When I was growing up, we used to have a fire pit in the

back of our house and we would go out there on our summer nights and we would roast marshmallows and hot dogs and i loved it it was like one of the neighbor kids would sometimes come over and we had a blast just in my backyard um in the i bet kids don't do that anymore they probably don't and we would we do it when we're at the cabin but maybe we should do it here too yeah Yeah. But you build a fire and then you, we had this logs that we sat around and you'd have some off bug spray because in Wisconsin, you know, the, the, the bugs are like eagles are that big. The mosquitoes are huge.

But yeah, you did, but you figured out and, and kids actually love campfires and then the kind of, but they don't have phones there. You may take the phones away and they got to sit around. You'll tell stories. That scene that you painted happened because there were no phones.

That's right. That's why that happened. And all the kids in the neighborhood are kind of looking at, what do we do? We're kind of all bored. Oh, let's build a campfire. And it happened all the time.

And there was only all the time. It probably happened. There was about three or four years that we did that a lot. And it was a blast. So you can do it in your own backyard with your kids, or you can go to a campsite, or, you know, if you can get away and go wherever your favorite spot is. There is something about people around a fire. It's, it sort of goes back to caveman days, right?

It's sort of evolutionary. People love to gather around a fire and talk talk and share stories and it just kind of naturally happens and those campfires that we do at the cabin are just you know some of my favorite memories too so i don't like s'mores but you like to make them i'm listen i'm the best s'more maker in the world because my marshmallows i get them beautifully browned i don't burn them but i brown them and then they're all they're they're warm so when you put that soft marshmallow on the chocolate it melts but you don't have that burnt mellow on um your on your cookie but we've we've taken as i don't know if i told you guys this before but we've gone a new step the kids

are like let's not do the chocolate and graham crackers. Let's just get the Toll House chocolate fudge-striped cookies. So they already have the chocolate on it. Yes. So they'll just roast the marshmallows and then use the fudge-striped cookies, which actually makes it cleaner. It's just not the same. I do love the texture of a graham cracker with my s'more. As someone who actually does like s'mores, it brings me back to Girl Scout days.

I actually really like it. That was back when the Girl Scouts were good. I do like fudge-striped cookies, though, so I'll eat those. They're so yummy. Anyway, thank you for joining us on this therapeutic podcast talking about... It's like a counseling session.

We were going to do it a couple days earlier, but we're going to talk about all the hell and hate that came from my comments. Stay tuned for tuned for fox and friends weekend see if i if i'm ever invited back on rachel's cultural roundup you're always invited to the pop culture roundup sean i appreciate that we'll see what i will actually we'll see i love you i love you too even if you think i'm fast even if real world star and fox news host sean duffy divides nation or divides viewers for telling wife and mother of nine children she looked better when she worked out on national television that's a headline let me just read that headline again it was so good

real world star and fox news host sean duffy divides viewers for telling wife and mother of his nine children she looked better when she worked on national TV. Oh my God. These headlights are so great. Um, anyway, with that, we appreciate you joining us at the kitchen table.

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