From the Kitchen Table: The Duffys - The Good Spouse: Casey DeSantis Vs. Gisele Fetterman

Episode Date: May 27, 2023

Target has received fierce backlash after they unveiled their Pride Month apparel that featured LGBTQ+ clothing targeted at children, and bathing suits for transgender adults. Sean and Rachel weigh in on the criticism of Target, and how HGTV stars Chip & Joanna Gaines have fallen silent on the issue since their partnership with the retail giant.   Later, they discuss the attacks being levied against Florida Governor Ron DeSantis' wife, Casey DeSantis, and compare the treatment of Florida's First Lady with that of Pennsylvania Senator Jon Fetterman's wife, Gisele Fetterman. Follow Sean and Rachel on Twitter: @SeanDuffyWI & @RCamposDuffy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Campos Duffy. Sean, it's great to be back at the kitchen table. As you know, last night I was hosting Jesse Waters, which is why if you're watching some video, my hair still looks good. It's still a little fluffy. Not as good as last night because I slept on it. But, boy, that's one of the perks of our job. Well, not for you. Not for me.

I don't care. Not for you. But fox hair and makeup and great lighting is, it takes a village. It takes a village. It takes a village. Not for you. But fox hair and makeup and great lighting is, it takes a village. It takes a village. It takes a village. Not for you. For some, it takes a village. No, it takes a village.

That's the only thing I agree on with Hillary Clinton. But I'm referring to fox hair, makeup, and lighting when I say that. Not raising kids. It doesn't take a village. It takes a family. But to look good on TV, it takes a village. Your hair does look nice. Yeah, it's a little fluffy.

It's not as good as last night. Is that what this podcast is about? No, no, no, no, no. We're going to get to this. So we had a couple questions, and boy, they were really good. So we got a question about Casey DeSantis. As you know, Sean, Politico has come out and attacked her as a spouse. So mean.

So mean. I, of course, as a foreign political spouse, take real issue with how they've treated her, especially how they treated her versus how they treat Giselle Fetterman and Jill Biden. So we're going to talk about that. We're going to break that down. You're going to really love that segment because I have a lot to say on that. You do, too, as somebody who had a political spouse to help you out. I do have a political spouse. She was great. Yeah.

She had great hair. Apparently, only Democrat spouses are worth anything. But we're going to break that down. But before that, we're going to talk about Target. We are. But a unique take on Target and the backlash against Target, which is what? Well, let's talk about because last week, Target started I mean how much has their market billions of dollars they've lost billions they're basically getting bud lighted right they are because they have

always had Pride Month and sort of this displays but every year they up the ante they go one notch up one notch up one step further uh-huh of course that's how it is it's like a slow boil, right? And this year they've introduced a whole line of kids LGBT stuff, but also a bathing suit. A women's one-piece

bathing suit. A women's one-piece bathing suit with a pocket to tuck your junk, essentially. Special protection for tuck it for men in women's bathing suits. Right. And they had the advertisement, which, you know, you see the guy's hairy chest. I mean, it's really, to me, an affront on truth and beauty. It's really how you tear down a civilization, frankly. Let's just go right there, if we can.

And femininity. Femininity. So the problem, and it's not a problem. So Target has been a fairly progressive company. They had bathroom rules that you could use in every bathroom, you know, met your sexual preference. They've been on the forefront of these ideas. They've always celebrated Pride Month, rainbows and whatnot. And the American people really didn't have a whole lot of blowback

or pushback for them. This is the first time where they've taken a step probably too far where a lot of the moms that shop at Target are looking at the displays right when you walk in the store that are targeting children. That's where they cross the line. Same thing with the drag stuff, Sean. And the Tuckett swimwear for men. Again, a lot of people have been like, okay, listen, we're all good with Gay Pride Month, but we're not okay with this. And so the pushback has begun.

Yeah. I do have a problem with Gay Pride getting a whole month and Independence Day is just one day. Memorial Day this weekend, just one day. Christmas is only, well, we celebrated for more than one day but miss is only okay but anyway but that's but that's not your take no because there is my take but I think part of what I'm bringing up and I brought up last night when I was on Jesse I think that's why we got this question is I've been wondering about

chip and Joanne because they you you know, I love this couple. I love their products. I love everything about what they represent. I have bought many of their items that they sell at Target because they have a line called Magnolia with very affordable, beautiful sort of farm style stuff. All the things that Chip and Joanne represent in terms of design and style. And yet here they are selling their wares next to, because the designer of the Tuckett swimsuit is a trans Satanist. Okay, so now we've moved even beyond gay, lesbian, trans.

Tuckett. Tuckett. Now it's Satanism is involved. And I am curious, I think a lot of people are. What does Chip and Joanne have to say about it? So first, let's go back and look at the deal that they have with Target and what they said they were doing by having a relationship with Target. Let's check this out. Who's always been progressive.

But here's what they had to say. Hey, everybody. Chip and Joanne again here in Waco, Texas with Magnolia. We are so excited to announce our partnership with Target. A new collection called Heaco, Texas with Magnolia. We are so excited to announce our partnership with Target, a new collection called Hearth and Hand with Magnolia. It really wasn't enough that Target was just a great company. I mean, it had to be deeper than that. And by teaming up with Target,

we'll be able to give back in a bigger way than ever before. So what's interesting, Sean, is they're saying giving back. Well, Target also gives back. So they have a campaign that they've given over $2 million to an organization called GLSEN. It stands for the Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Education Network. And this organization, you know, basically gets into the school systems, K through 12. gets into the school systems, K through 12. They work on, you know, they supposedly support, you know, student-led, but I don't get how it's student-led if they're the one supporting it,

like walkouts and day of silence. But they also support, through the policy of this organization, they support transitioning of students without parental consent. They talk about needing to keep the medical information of trans students confidential, even from the parents. So this is pretty serious stuff. Also, there's a guy from Target, a prominent executive from Target, who's on the board of GLSEN. I don't know how they say GLSEN or whatever. I don't know what it is. But it's GLSEN, Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Alliance. Carlos Saavedra is on the board of directors. So there is a very deep relationship with an organization that promotes and pushes policies to transition to essentially castrate and mutilate children without the consent of their parents. without the consent of their parents. I'm going, if I'm Chip and Joanne,

and I have this multi-billion dollar, you know, million dollar, I don't know, it could be billion dollars now with that new network they have, business, why would I want my products next to, you know, trans-Satanism, next to an organization like this that is so anti-family and anti-child? So at this point, I'm like,

I get why maybe they were quiet before they're making money. Now it's starting to sully their brand. So a couple of things. Number one, they were successful before Target. They were an entity and a brand with the Fixer Upper show series and then their Magnolia products and food and restaurant. They were wildly successful. And then Target decided to partner with them. Right. And obviously, they decided to partner with Target as well because they were going to make a lot of money by selling their wares in Target. They're confronted with a problem, however, because if they say, hey, Target, this is a step too far.

We don't like what you're doing, Target. They are now in the fight, right? And the people who will harass them and try to get them canceled, get them boycotted, get them banned, will come after them. They're organized. They know how to, this is like. Not Chip and Joanne. No, no, no. The people who go after, the agitators who go after anyone who tries to cross that line.

And so the problem is, if I'm trying to be fair about Chip and Joanne, they seem like people of faith. They are. They seem like they're family orientated. They are. They're community orientated. They're fairly traditional. And they partnered with a company that doesn't match probably their values. Actually, the company that

is partnering with the Satan lover is not a Christian loving company. So the fact that they didn't think through what Target was and they just saw dollar signs is really disappointing. And frankly, if they're going to partner with Target and be afraid of being canceled, I look at good Christian families that buy their products that think they represent one thing in culture, when in reality, they do not. They represent their bank account. And so will you not buy their stuff any longer? Will you cancel Chip and Joanne finally? I know you love them. I know you think they're wonderful. But if you pull the curtain back, which is what you've done right here with their partnership with Target, do you say, I'm sorry, Chip and Joanne, I thought you represented one thing. But actually, in reality, you do not.

And I'm not going to buy your garbage. You just want me to stop buying stuff. But I'm going to answer your question. I'm not opposed to buying stuff at Target. Well, I am now at Target. But the price point at Target. You prefer the Chip and Joanne price point. But you know that you cannot go into Target and come out with a bill that's under $150.

It's just impossible. I can't. No, I can't. It's just crazy. But let me just, before I answer your question, I want to say this. Because I think you brought up a really interesting point. Which is back in 2000 and probably 12, 14, somewhere in that zone, Target was already facing some criticism over trans people being allowed in dressing rooms, in girl dressing rooms,

or in their bathrooms. So, and they've been, as you said, having these sort of, you know, Pride Month displays and all this sort of stuff prior to any of the things that happened. So before Chip and Joanne made that deal, they knew they were dealing with a very progressive company. Because back in 2014, Target was really on the forefront. There weren't very many companies doing what Target was doing. front. There weren't very many companies doing what Target was doing. So there's no way that a businessman as savvy as particularly Chip, who's written a book on, you know, his whole business philosophy and so forth, didn't know how progressive that Target was, right? So I think you bring up a really good point in saying this isn't like this just came out of the blue. There was, as I said, a slow boil. This was a progressive company. And of course, what they do is they slowly,

slowly, slowly. And I'm pretty certain that Chip, being as smart as he is, and the business people that they've surrounded themselves with in order to build the enterprise that they have, which is really impressive, could not have not known that there was a $2 million alliance and partnership with the Gay and Lesbian Straight Education Network that we know is promoting these kinds of very sexualized discussions in school and also really tragically the transition of children without parental consent in school and trying to keep things secret from parents. That is so anti-family. So it is a very interesting point you make. Why would such a wholesome brand like Chip and Joanne and Magnolia partner with Target? You say it's because of the money. You know, you put me in a very difficult situation.

You're just trying, are you talking a lot? You think I'm filibustering? You know what? You're right. I shouldn't. And I really need to reconsider. And I think all Americans need to reconsider. The only voice we have is what we did say with Bud Light. What we did say with, you know, with, you know, now North Face has moved into this space. There's all kinds of companies that are doing this. We started to see this, of course, during George Floyd, which, by the way, Chip and Joanna weighed in on that as well with a very awkward interview with a guy named, I forget his name, he's a football player,

but he had a show, he has a show on YouTube called Uncomfortable Conversations with a Black Man, and they brought their whole family and had a very uncomfortable conversation with this guy and you know sort of put themselves into the race relations um you know hold on a second industrial complex if you will you're going way too long in not answering the question i said yes i said i agree with you and i should i was i did i said that and i said everybody should i missed that then i want to put this into context. You glazed over on what I was saying. We went to Dallas, Texas for our 22nd, 20th anniversary.

And Rachel likes Chip and Joanne so much we went down to Waco, Texas. I did. I'm a fan. We had breakfast at their restaurant. We went to their store. I didn't really want to go, but I love her and it was her anniversary. And that's what we did for anniversary. Yeah.

That was really nice of you. No, but again, I think they hit a certain nerve and they're very, very talented, as you mentioned. And I think they're genuinely good people, but you can't deny that they knew that going into this partnership. It also begs the question, money is freedom, right? They have a lot of money. They could make a choice to say, you know what? I don't live only for this life. There's another life that I have to look to, an afterlife. And I don't need this cash. I don't need your dirty Satan money. I have enough. I can never spend,

my kids can never spend all the money that we've made. I'm going to make the right decision. I'm going to pull out a target and I'm going to reap the consequences because it is the right thing to do. If they were truly people of their conviction, that's exactly what they would do. But I don't think you're going to see Chip and Joanne say a darn word about it. Mr. Wonderful last night on Jesse Waters with you. So I interviewed Kevin O'Leary just for some background. I interviewed Kevin O'Leary about this topic last night on Jesse Waters because I was the guest host. Don't say a word is what his advice was

to Chip and Joanne. Yeah, I asked him, what would you do? And he said, yeah. Don't say a word. And again, I think that they would be better off making the right decision.

And again, they'll anger half of America, but the other half will still love them and say, you know what, this is the brand that I thought they were. These are the people that I thought they were. But if you look at, we have to look, you know, through the clouds and through the smoke and try to estimate what they are. But if you look, you've mentioned this before, they would never go to the Trump White House. We did a podcast on this, but they'll go to the Joe Biden White House. They will, you know, do the George Floyd ordeal. They will do not ordeal, but they'll have the uncomfortable conversation, as you mentioned, after George Floyd. They will. They've weighed in on, they've

chosen to weigh in on a few things. They'll partner with Target. So all the things that they're publicly doing might go, do they really fit your values? And if they don't fit your values, we're in a war with our money. We're in a war with our dollars worth and a war with how we spend our money. and your community and your family and your values, don't empower them with your dollar. Don't give them your money to use your money through their profits to further undermine you. We'll have more of this conversation after this. At Desjardins, we speak business. We speak equipment modernization. We're fluent in data digitization and expansion into foreign markets. And we can talk all day about streamlining manufacturing processes. Because at Desjardins Business, we speak the same language you do, business. So join the more than 400,000 Canadian entrepreneurs who already count on us and contact Desjardins today.

We'd love to talk business. So when I talked to Kevin O'Leary last night, I mean, I conceded, listen, it's possible that Chip and Joanne are behind the scenes, you know, maybe angry at, probably angry at Target for associating them with the trans Satanists, because that's what happens when you share under the same roof of Target, you know, space within that store. So they may quietly behind the scenes be doing that. But then I asked, at some point, you know, the left likes to say silence is violence, right? At some point, your silence also says something. And so it'll be interesting to see. Will Chip

and Joanne, you know, take Kevin O'Leary's advice, which is say nothing, which seems like a tacit, sort of like you're complicit in it a little bit, or will they come out and say, listen, this is not what we stand for. You know, as you said, consequences be damned, money be damned. And I ended that conversation with Kevin O'Leary because he gave me all the business, you know, remember, this is the guy from because he gave me all the business, you know, remember, this is the guy from Shark Tank, giving me all the business reasons why Chip and Joanne should say, stay silent, say nothing, get, not get involved. And then I ended the interview saying, hey, you know, there are sometimes there are things that are much more important than money.

And I think our culture, our children, the mutilation of children, partnering with a company that is giving money towards that, partnering with a company that is, you know, as happy to partner with you as they are with a trans Satanist. And again, why aren't more people willing to stand up against Satan? It's an interesting question. I can't believe we're at that state in our culture, Sean, where we're having trouble finding business people willing to stand up and just really denounce Satan and allying with Satan. Well, this other seller at Target who is a Satanist is the one who will say. Which one? Also, the Satanist is the one who will say, basically, Satan is peaceful. Satan will use gender-affirming pronouns.

He's all-inclusive, Satan is, is what the Satanist will say. Are you talking about the guy who sells his gears? The fashion designer from South Africa. That's his commentary on Satan. He made the Tuckett swimsuit. And that's who Chip and Joanne are partnering with. And it's kind of unfair. I mean, I'm just going to lay it out here because I'm with you on the

I can't buy their products at this point. I really can't. But I will say, I don't believe if given the choice. They're all given the choice. I don't know, but I'm going to say if they were in the boardroom going, they would say, please don't align yourselves with a trans Satanist.

Our products are in your store. At some point, obviously, this thing got out of their hands. And now they're forced. They're at a crossroads. They have got to decide. And maybe, you know, as you said before, they shouldn't have made this deal with the devil, if you will. No pun intended. Back when they got into the stores.

Because it was really clear back then that Target was progressive. But here we are now, slow boil. We went from, you know, should we let men in women's bathrooms to should we sell Tuckett swimsuits made by a trans Satanist? I can't believe we're having this discussion. But should we have pornographic material in K through six schools? Should we transition little kids who are eight, nine, 10 years old? Unbelievable. I can't believe America's having this conversation, but we are. The bottom line is that Chip and Joanne should speak up and take a position. And if they don't, they are taking a position. They're standing with Target.

That's a great point. Not taking a position is taking a position. That's right. Excellent, excellent point. And I will say this. Target is a place where moms go. And I think the line was crossed when you start targeting children, whether it's through the donations of the company, the products that they're selling, the displays that they're doing, all of this. I think that's the line for moms, whether it's drag shows or Target.

Don't go after our kids or even at, you know, you saw that in the Virginia school districts. Kids are the dividing line. All right. Let me move on to the next one, because this is really fascinating, Sean. All right, let me move on to the next one because this is really fascinating, Sean. This is Casey DeSantis being attacked in a really vicious way by Politico and others who are trying to portray her as Lady Macbeth. Basically, if you remember the Shakespearean play Lady Macbeth, Lady Macbeth is the woman who prods her husband to kill the king so she can be queen. So it is the ultimate, you know, misogynistic trope that somehow Ron DeSantis is being manipulated by this super ambitious, horrible woman, Casey DeSantis.

What you can say about Casey, Sean, is she is an effective spouse politically speaking she's gorgeous she's telegenic she has a background in communications because she was the tv anchor um and and also she's a sympathetic figure not just because she has three young kids and she's a beautiful young mom but she went through breast cancer i'm going to show you an example of how effective she can be cancer. I'm going to show you an example of how effective she can be on the campaign trail as she sort of talks about how Ron DeSantis helped her when she was dealing with breast cancer. Let's play it. I get asked all the time, who is Ron DeSantis? Well, he's the kid who grew up right here in Florida, working his tail off, paying his own way through school, then volunteering to serve

in the Navy and deploying to Iraq. He's the man who I fell in love with from the moment we met. And he's the dad of three very rambunctious, energetic children. Mamie, our two-year-old little comedian, Madison, our beautiful, sweet five-year-old, and Mason, our four-year-old athlete. But if you want to know who Ron DeSantis really is, when I was diagnosed with cancer and I was facing the battle for my life. He was the dad who took care of my children when I couldn't. He was there to pick me off of the ground when I literally could not stand. He was there to fight for me when I didn't have the strength to fight for myself. That is who Ron DeSantis is. That's effective, Sean. I believe every word of that. I do too. It's effective because it's authentic. You know it's true, right? 100%.

And you mentioned the politicos of the world, the left is saying she's ambitious. Let's be really clear. If someone is going to run for the House, the Senate, a governorship, or president, it's a family decision because one person doesn't run by themselves. The whole family ends up running. You all do parades. You'll go to chicken dinners together. You'll go to speeches together. Or if you don't go together, you know, the husband or the wife who's going off and doing the politicking, the others are left at home by themselves without another hand in the kitchen or another hand putting kids to bed. It is a family sacrifice, a family endeavor. And so if you want to classify people who run for office as ambitious, then you

have to say, well, the couples are ambitious because they choose to do it together. It is a joint decision. And if anyone tries to run without their spouse or the support of their spouse, they will fail. You can never do it by yourself, right? So true. Maybe that's why Tim Scott hasn't been married yet. He's like, I don't want someone else in my life. I'm going to do it on my own. And we'll see. But you know what? It's not as effective. I mean, it's actually that question has been brought up. Like, why doesn't he have a spouse? And when's he going to find love? And listen, I so agree with the idea that you say about how it takes a family. And that's why, yeah, of course, there's a certain

amount of ambition if a family decides they want to do this. But there's also a lot of service that's involved. And I know you and I, when you were running, we would have to tell our kids, you know what, this is a – dad can't be here for this event. Or dad, you know, is on the campaign trail. Or we have to go with dad to this. You're serving your country because you are. to go with dad to this. You're serving your country because you are. And any child of a, you know, a political family will tell you there is a lot of sacrifice involved in doing this. And Casey DeSantis did this through, you know, breast cancer. And, you know, she as soon as she

was done with her chemo and was feeling up and well, she was back on the campaign trail, chemo and was feeling up and well. She was back on the campaign trail helping her husband. She is an asset. A lot of people say she is the anecdote to Ron DeSantis' social awkwardness. It's very clear for anyone who's either served with him or been around him. Donors say that too, that they meet him and he's just socially awkward. And she sort of has always stepped in and filled the gaps. And what I hate about the way that they're portraying her, Sean, is that I thought that's what marriage was. That you marry somebody who helps complete you. There are things that you do.

Is that from Jerry Maguire? You complete me? You do complete me, Sean. You do complete me. But I mean that you know what? That movie line resonated because that is the goal. When your spouse fills in your gaps. I have a lot of gaps that Sean fills in for me. I have a lot of gaps. And you have a lot of gaps that I fill in for you.

And when that partnership happens and when it clicks, it's magic. And so to see not just liberals, a few Republicans who are bitter about, you know, whatever, coming in and criticizing it. I think it is a bad strategy. Do not criticize this couple for being united. I want to give you some examples of things. Sean, you know who David Jolly is. He's a former congressman from Florida. Republican member of Congress from Florida.

Republican member. Is he a liberal now? What's his deal? I think so. I think he's like an Adam Kinzinger type guy now. He still calls himself a Republican. Right, because that will get him a job on CNN probably or something. Joe Scarborough is still a Republican on MSNBC.

And Anna Navarro is still a Republican on The View. So you can put David Jolly in this. And Anna Navarro. Listen to the things he criticizes for. She's every bit as involved in his rise as Ron himself. Ooh, that's so terrible. How awful of her to want to be involved in her husband's career.

They complain, he also complains that Ron's inner circle is really small and that she's always been the most trusted advisor and is hesitant to cede this space to anybody else. Okay, so as a political spouse, I read that line and I was so, I both wanted to laugh, and I wanted to wring, you know, David Jolly's neck. Of course, I should be your most trusted advisor. There is nobody, when you're in a campaign, people need to understand this,

when you're in a political office, when you're in a campaign, nobody cares as much about your husband or your spouse as you do. Nobody else has no other angle or ulterior motives than you. You are the protector of your spouse and that's your role. And so, of course, you're going to have, you're going to be the most trusted advisor. And by the way, that's not a modern phenomenon there's a reason why you know of course we're all losing lady Macbeth but that was you know a very old tale of you know there were always women who even when women weren't allowed to show themselves and be present and be out in front worse always advising their husbands that That's marriage, right? It is marriage. And I look at this analysis, and there's some spouses who don't have a lot of political insight.

They don't have a lot of, and they don't really maybe care as much about it. And maybe they just take care of the kids more. That's true. But there's others who are pretty darn savvy. You were pretty savvy in politics and commercials and messaging, and you saw things that I didn't see. Then you'd see things you didn't see. And we'd kind of fight about where we go. But you were my best advisor because you were a really good advisor. Because I love you. And you're really good at it as well. You have a skill set that was very helpful. And I think Casey DeSantis is pretty good as an advisor to Ron DeSantis. Yeah. And I imagine that Michelle Obama

was a pretty good advisor to Barack Obama, but they didn't seem to be concerned about Michelle Obama advising Barack, but they do have a concern about Casey DeSantis advising Ron. And again, it breaks down to, this is just politics, right? They're trying to attack a good woman who wants to talk positively about her husband and what he's in.

And by the way, just... And help him. Casey DeSantis to talk positively about her husband and what he's in. And by the way, just... And help him. Casey DeSantis can say things about her husband that he can't say about himself. He's not going to go, my wife had cancer and I came home and I took care of the kids and I, you know, picked her up when she was at her lowest moment, right? You don't say that, right? Because they would go, well, you're supposed to. I'm sorry.

That's what you should do. So he wouldn't say it. But if she says it go, well, you're supposed to. I'm sorry. That's what you should do. So he wouldn't say it. But if she says it, it goes, this man was there for me. And it's an important insight because, again, you have a candidate. She understands his weaknesses, as every spouse does, right? And his weakness is he's a little robotic, right? He's not as warm and fuzzy. And so she—

You're being generous. Listen, he's a little bit of a weird dude. Yeah. Just saying. Well, I don't know. I don't know. He seems a little robotic, like it's hard for him to get his emotions on the surface. And so she sees his weaknesses and she wants people to know, listen, I know Ron. I know Ron. I know Ron in a way that is really important. And the fact that he did step up. Listen, you say you're supposed to do that.

There are some husbands out there who aren't that supportive when their wives are facing something like that. And he was. And that's an important piece of information for the voter to know about who he is. Because we want to know who is Ron DeSantis. Who are all these candidates? Now, here's the thing that I think is interesting, Sean, the juxtaposition between a savvy, smart, beautiful spouse who is articulate and able to fill in her husband's gap versus these spouses like Giselle and Jill Biden, who I think are actually hurting their husbands, who I think are actually hurting their husbands, literally elder abuse in the case of Jill Biden.

And we can get into Giselle. Yeah, you can make your last point. I'm sorry. I'm trying to make it. You want to move on? I mean, so think about this and then we'll move on. OK, yes. So Casey DeSantis is sick with cancer. Ron stops being governor and disappears and no one knows why. And he's taking care of his. And no one knows why. And he's taking care of his wife. And no one knows. And the media starts to attack him.

Like, where's Ron DeSantis? They make the allegation that he's almost like Mark Sanford, who was the governor of South Carolina, who went off on the Appalachian Trail. Like, Ron DeSantis has disappeared like that and is doing something nefarious. That was an affair, too, by the way. Yeah. That's right.

When he was taking care of his wife. I forgot about that. Those are the lengths at which the media will go to sully a Republican, conservative, effective governor. And by the way, he has been an amazing. Ron DeSantis has been an amazing governor. He's done amazing things. But that's what they'll do to him. And then his wife recovers with cancer

and she's his best advisor, which she should be, and they'll attack her and him for that. It goes to show you what the media really is. They're an attack dog for the liberals in Congress, for Joe Biden, for the Democrats. Yeah, there's a double standard. There's a double standard.

I mean, let's- Was that point worth it? No, no, I forgot that they had criticized him for that. That was a great point. I wanted to put that in there before we go to... It was a great point and a great transition into the way the media treats the other side. We'll have more of this

conversation after this. Two freshly cracked eggs any way you like them. Three strips of naturally smoked bacon and a side of toast. Only $6 at A&W's in Ontario. Experience A&W's classic breakfast on now. Dine-in only until 11 a.m. Let's take John Fetterman first. So John Fetterman clearly was not ready for primetime. Let's just say that. He has a stroke during his general election for the Senate seat. He should have

stepped down then. His wife and his advisors decide to basically hide the severity of his condition from the public, from the rest of the voters, and they push him forward. He eventually gets elected into the Senate, and not long after he's in office, he has a mental breakdown. He has, you know, debilitating depression, probably because he was forced to do something that he is cognitively and physically not able to do. It's a stressful job. He's letting down his voters that voted for him, the whole state of Pennsylvania. And he gets put into Walter Reed Hospital where, you know, inpatient treatment, inpatient treatment. Can I say one thing to correct the record? Sure. The voters of Pennsylvania knew what John Fetterman was. He did a debate. He was very limited in his capacity to communicate during

the debate. And they still voted for him. Yeah. Right. So I don't I mean, I wouldn't have voted for him. I don't like his politics, but also I think the capability matters. But the voters did vote for him. Yeah. He gets to the Senate. But my point on that was a good spouse would say, you just had a stroke. I love you more than I love you being the senator of Pennsylvania. We're going to take you home.

We're going to care for you and love on you until you get better. That's what a good spouse does. She doesn't. Then he gets into the Senate, as you said, because the people of Pennsylvania were stupid enough to elect somebody who wasn't capable of doing the job. And then he winds up in Walter Reed inpatient with a meltdown, a mental breakdown. He's depressed. And he's there for a while. And what does his wife do? She doesn't spend every day.

Like I said, when we talked about this the first time when it happened, I would have pulled up a cot next to Walter Reed, and they would have to force me out because I want to be with my husband until he feels better and hopefully get you home to Pennsylvania and get you out of this whole thing and have a new election so somebody else can do this because I want, oh, no, no, no, no. What did Giselle Fetterman do? Giselle said, I need to go zip lining with the kids. So she needs to get away. And she, you know, on social media, she, you know, documents her entire trip with the kids to basically try and forget about dad who's having a mental breakdown

at Walter Reed. So she says, this is a post from her on social media. It says, we did some scary things, but did them together. We ziplined over Niagara Falls and August got stuck. That must be their child. We talked about flexibility and the need to always have an open heart and an open mind. An open heart and an open mind to sell, but not for your husband who, while you're ziplining over Niagara Falls, is in a hospital battling depression. She's so emblematic of this generation. She's the self-care queen. And so I think you've made this point before, Rachel, and I think it's a good one.

By the way, I just want to quickly show you another picture. This is not them. for, Rachel, and I think it's a good one. By the way, I just want to quickly show you another picture. This is not them. They are here with their zip line picture, all, you know, with their helmets on and ready to zip line. You've made the point that you have Mrs. DeSantis, who is actually a partner and supporter of her husband, and her husband is a partner and a supporter of hers. She had cancer, and the two of them were together unified in that family crisis, which is what they should have done. And now look at the Fettermans. The Fettermans have a family crisis. John Fetterman, the senator, has a stroke. She pushes him out and says, keep running, keep

going. Don't get out of the race. And then he gets in the Senate and he has massive depression where he has to be put in inpatient treatment. And she's not there for him like Ron was for his wife. She takes off on a vacation with her kids as opposed to being there helping facilitate the recovery of her husband. So the media doesn't criticize this at all. No, they said actually the response was, you're so courageous.

You're so brave. This is so remarkable that in the face of what you're facing, remember, it's all about her, what you're facing, the hardship for you you that you're taking the kids out. Listen, should the kids, should somebody go take, you know, an aunt and uncle, a grandparent,

take the kids to go forget, you know, all this drama in their family life? Of course. But the wife should be by the husband's side as he goes through this. And it's been,

and now a lot of people wonder, so why, why is... No, no, no. Hold on a second. Do you, this is not a time to vacation. No, no, I'm not saying vacation. I'm saying I understand the need of the kids.

I understand that the kids are under a lot of pressure, probably haven't seen their dad in a while, can't see their dad now even because of this situation. I want to take the kids out of this and go, what's the role of the spouse? If family wants to do things with the kids to help the kids sort of normalize in the midst of this breakdown. I totally get that as a mom. But I don't understand why she would, you know, document this on social media and hold it up and see what a great mom I am when she should actually be by her spouse's side. Now, many people say, why is Giselle doing this? Why wouldn't Giselle take her husband out?

And the speculation, of course, is that you have a timeline where if John Fetterman drops out of his seat, he can, it would trigger a new election. But if he holds on long enough and then has to end up getting out, because as you saw even this week, Sean, he was floundering again. He was heading up. What do you call it when you head up at the gavel? He was the leader pro tem in the Senate, leading the Senate. He's also led hearings. And I got to tell you what, I mean, I don't believe this politics, but it is sad. It's very sad. He can't do it.

He can't do it. And so at one point, if he ends up having to, you know, if it gets so bad, I don't know how bad they have to get it before he drops out, then someone can get appointed to the seat. And who do you think wants to get appointed? I suspect Giselle has a deal. If he can't, in the end, appoint me. So that's an interesting thing. And then, of course, you have Jill Biden, Sean, who has known forever that her husband was experiencing early signs of dementia and all kinds of, you know, cognitive decline and has pushed him out there. He's made, you know, some people say he's been, you know, in the Vatican.

There were, you know, he was removed for he was supposed to be there for only a little bit. He was there for a long time. There were some weird things that happened. And what leaked out is that he soiled his pants. We don't we can't confirm that. But that was sort of the leaked rumor of what happened. I can't confirm or deny the leaked pants, the leaked info about the leaked pants. But, you know, that was, you know, he has been put in situations he's obviously not ready for. And again, I think this is cruel. I call it the cruelty of Jill and Giselle. And it is that double standard once again exposed. Can I tell you the difference between the two? So John Fetterman ran for the Senate. And right before, I think it was

right before the primary or right after the primary, he had a stroke, right? And so, and he wins the primary, and that's all of a sudden the Democrat candidate in Pennsylvania for the Senate. It becomes really complicated to have your elected primary candidate back out of the race, right? So the Democrats, and by the way, we're talking about control of the Senate,

who's gonna have the power of the Senate. Yeah, it's a big race. It's a really important race. And so for John Fetterman and the Democrat Party, there was a lot of pressure not to get out, to keep him in, because he was a guaranteed vote. Regardless of his health and cognitive disabilities, they needed his vote in the Senate. The staffers knew how to vote for him. And the most important vote was who are you going to vote for, for the leader of the Senate, which would be Chuck Schumer versus a Republican there who would vote for Mitch McConnell. So there was something at play

that I can understand. I might go, Giselle should have taken a different path with him, but I understand why the Democrats pushed him forward because they needed him. But I understand why the Democrats pushed him forward because they needed him. Compare that to Joe Biden. We know Joe Biden has cognitive decline. We're a year and a half before the next election. There is plenty of time for Democrats to say and Jill Biden to say, Joe's done. Joe doesn't have the mental acuity to lead this country forward effectively. We've got a lot of candidates. We could, as you mentioned, maybe it's Michelle Obama. Maybe it's Gavin Newsom.

There are 12 candidates, 20 Democrat candidates that would step forward and could probably, as a Democrat, do a better job than Joe Biden. They're not forced. Democrats aren't forced into keeping Joe Biden where they were forced into keeping John Fetterman. And that's why the Biden situation, what's his wife's name again? Jill. Jill Biden. Jill Biden. Dr. Biden. Dr. Biden really has the horns on her head. Yeah. More so than, more so. And I get what Giselle's done. Who's worse, Jill or Giselle? John says Jill. Interesting. And I get what Giselle's done. Who's worse, Jill or Giselle?

John says Jill. Giselle vacationing with her husband in the hospital. Giselle, who I think wants to be the senator, where Casey DeSantis does not want to be the governor. She wants to just support her husband. But Jill Biden really is partnering with the target Satanist here in keeping Joe in a position that he can't actually do. What are you talking about, target Satanist? Where are you going off on that? It's a satanic decision, I think, to keep your husband in this office.

It's really immoral. Yeah, I agree with you on that. That was a long stretch. It was a long stretch. She was connecting. I was playing Twister there. Yeah, you were. But I got you now. It is immoral.

By the way, can I tell you, in the the political piece if you haven't read the political piece you should just pull it up because it's full of BS on Casey DeSantis as a spouse here's again one of the greatest signs that it was BS okay so one of the things that they used as proof that Casey DeSantis is just so ambitious and terrible is that she wanted, she had to be looped in on calendar events with her husband. Hello, how do you run a family if you don't know what your husband's calendar is? By the way, people should know a member of Congress, a governor's schedule is even more complicated. A member of Congress has two full-time schedulers that hired. That is every congressman because their scheduling is so complicated. It requires two people full-time to do it.

You damn well bet as a spouse you are looped into every calendar invite. And you should be able to weigh in because it may be Johnny's birthday. It may be Johnny's birthday. It may be your anniversary. And the, and the people who are running the calendar don't know that, or maybe sometimes don't care. And you have a right to weigh in because ultimately it's your family. Here's the other thing. What else happens with the calendar?

Yeah. Your, your team, your staff, your schedulers will book you up from sun up to well after sundown, seven days a week to fit everything in. And you don't even have time to eat. It's like your spouse is like, hey, listen, it's my parents want to come over for dinner on a Sunday night. Could we go? Or by the way, on Sunday, we actually take time to go to church. Yeah, you can't book them that day. Or you know what else? They would book him no lunch and no time to work out. And I'd be like, You can't book him. Or you know what else?

They would book him no lunch and no time to work out. And I would be like, excuse me, Sean's getting fat. Somebody needs to put in a workout hour for Sean on that calendar. I would look at it and I would say, does that make me Lady Macbeth? Because I want my husband to have lunch and a little time to work out in between voting and fundraisers and campaign events. We did get the workout on the calendar. The problem was getting me to the gym. Yeah, that was the problem.

That was old Sean. That was old Sean that was congressional sean was a little fat sean was a little heavier post post uh congress sean is very fit and i love that here's another one that i knew was bs she joined him on the trip to israel when he was in congress oh really like all of us spouses did like they're called congressional. And it's actually better for relationships, for marriages, for the spouse to come along. And so, yeah, they're already on a military plane. It doesn't cost any more money for the wife to be in the congressman's room and have a seat on a plane that has empty seats. Is this the AIPAC trip? Was this the AIPAC trip? I don't know which one they're talking about, but regardless... Was it the congressional trip? Yeah, it was the congressional... Congress, the government doesn't pay for AIPAC. Some of those are paid for by the government if they're going to Israel as a congressional trip.

Some of them are paid for by... And others are paid for by an outside group who gets approval through ethics that both spouses can go. Right. But it is common for spouses to go, and I would say it's healthy for spouses to go. And I would say it's healthy for spouses to go on these trips with their husbands if they can. So anyway, again, so much BS in this, so much double standards. My favorite line, though, nothing to do with this, but it was

they just had to fit it in. And I did, too, because it was such a great line. It was a quote from Matt Gates who said, I learned how to do my makeup from Ron DeSantis. Matt Gates is the congressman from Florida. I learned how to do my makeup from Ron DeSantis and he learned from Casey, which I can't blame Politico for squeezing that in somehow. I didn't have any relevance to any of it, but they loved that and I loved, too. But again, they also said she needs to take a more traditional role. Active and visible, yes, but not the principal wife and the architect. So no strategy for you. Get to the kitchen.

Show up for your photo op with your husband. These are the misogynists writing these articles, but they don't have those same misogynistic rules for Democrat spouses. And so let's call the other villain here, which is the media. Yes. Because they would be celebrating Casey DeSantis and how smart she is and how involved she is in the campaign. And what partners they are. It would be like a puff piece galore if they were Democrats. But because they're Republicans, this is the treatment they get.

But because the Republicans, this is the treatment they get. John Fetterman's wife would be absolutely slandered if they were Republicans. And so the truth is the media is completely partisan. You can't believe anything they're saying lens on what they're telling you, you can decipher maybe a little bit of truth out of the reporting. But don't take their conclusions because it's partisan. Last thing they criticized him on, Sean, was how dare Ron DeSantis start off all his speeches talking about his wife and praising her in his speeches, that he does that. talking about his wife and praising her in his speeches, that he does that. Like somehow this shows he's weak or he's being run by her because he praises her for being a great spouse, being a great mom, being a strong woman, and showing her as his better half. And by the way, recognizing that he could do none of it for the state of Florida

if she wasn't supportive. That's right. And she wasn't a partner. Yeah, she's serving too. And to point that out to everyone that'll listen is really important. And you know what? I think people like that. I think people like when you'll give others credit for some of your success.

And I have a lot of complaints on some of the personal things, on Ron DeSantis. I applaud him for what he's done as governor, but also I applaud him for the way he's treated his wife. And you can deduce a lot from a human being by the way they treat their wife and their kids. And on those marks, Ron DeSantis gets flying colors from what we can tell, from what we can see. And it looks like they could present to America a really beautiful relationship, marriage and family, which on our conversations is really important right now. As the left tries to undermine those very things, they are countercultural to what the left wants to present as normal. And this is the dirty game of politics. What they do

on the other side, and listen, let's be honest know it's done on all sides but the way politics works and the way a lot of people don't the reason why a lot of people don't want to enter into the political sphere is they will identify your strength which is clearly in the case of the Santa's family the family the family and they are going to attack the family and I say listen there's a lot of Republicans out there you know some are in the Trump camp some are in the Santa know, some are in the Trump camp. Some are in the Santa's camp. Some are in the Haley camp. Some are in the V-Bakes camp, whatever. Tim Scott camp.

Tim Scott's camp. Wherever you're at, let's, as a, you know, party, at least not attack each other's families. Because that is the basis, as you said, Sean, of our culture, of what this party stands for. I think it's his strength. It is why they're going after him in the media for it. They're trying to undermine his spouse. There's lots of things you can criticize Ron DeSantis on. Leave his wife and kids and family alone, because I think they're great examples, as you said, Sean.

And before anyone sits at home and says, but, but, but, but, but, Rachel, you have criticized Hunter Biden. We have been very clear. I feel bad for Hunter Biden and the decisions, whether it's the drug abuse or the prostitutes, the trouble that he's had in his life. It isn't about Hunter Biden. It's about Hunter Biden's relationship with his father and the financial ties and the money that was made overseas that brings Hunter Biden into the conversation. But he comes in through Joe Biden. Yes, that's that's the laptop is really about Joe. That's right. That's a great point. The Hunter, you know, for the cold hypocrites, I want to point that out. No, you know, one of the savviest things that Bill Clinton ever did in exchange, he made a deal with the media.

The media had to come out with the Monica Lewinsky, you know, affair. It was part of the, you know, it came out and there was no putting the lid on that one. But one of the things that he and his team managed to negotiate out of the media was to call it the Lewinsky affair, right? The Lewinsky scandal instead of the Bill Clinton scandal. It was one of the most egregious decisions. What's the word? Collusions between the Clintons and the media to come up with this decision to call it the Lewinsky affair, which, of course, smeared this girl into, you know, she's still bearing the smear of that when really the culprit, the adult in that relationship and that affair, and the one who should have known better was the President of the United States, Bill Clinton. And again, here, they keep calling,

we keep calling it the Hunter scandal. And we need to stop saying it. This is the Joe Biden scandal. This is the Joe Biden problem. This is the joke that Joe Biden is compromised by the Chinese through the dirty deals that he and his family, including Hunter, were involved in. And we need to keep that in mind. It's interesting. Names do matter. Yeah. And that's why they want to call the Trump Russia collusion in the name. You had everything you need to know that Trump colluded with Russia. Right. That was and instead it wasn't the FBI-Russia collusion. Later we tried to call it the, when we did, the- Hillary collusion. She was colluding with that.

But we called it the Russia hoax, right? Yes. Which is what it was. But the media in its name is able to drive a narrative. And when they get the narrative wrong because it's misinformation, they never correct it. That's correct. So, listen, by the way, I got to tell you, I love these two questions that came in. We got a lot of questions this week, but we picked these two because we wanted to talk about them. We unpacked it for sure, didn't we? Yes, we did. We did unpack

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