From the Kitchen Table: The Duffys - The Left's Lies Finally Crumbling: Analyzing Chris Rock's Latest Special

Episode Date: March 10, 2023

On this episode, Sean and Rachel are joined by their daughter and staff writer at The Federalist, Evita Duffy-Alfonso as they discuss Chris Rock's Netflix special "Selective Outrage" and share their thoughts on the Left's reaction to the special.   Later, they talk about how comedy is indicative of a free society, and why Chris Rock's special may be a sign that Hollywood is slowly turning away from spreading Liberal ideology.      Follow Sean and Rachel on Twitter: @SeanDuffyWI & @RCamposDuffy   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I'm Sean Duffy, along with my co-host for the podcast, my partner in life, and my wife, Rachel Campos Duffy. So great to be back at the kitchen table, and today joining us in the kitchen, well, she's not officially in the kitchen. She won't be in the kitchen until- Next week. Yeah, a few more days, she's coming home to visit.

But it's our daughter, Evita Duffy. Evita, welcome. And we're going to be talking today about the Netflix special with Chris Rock. It's called Selective Outrage. And a lot of people are outraged about it. On the left, people are angry. On the right, people are going, wow, he's saying some stuff about wokeness. That's pretty interesting. wokeness that's pretty interesting uh sean said we had to start this episode by saying he does not endorse this uh he does not want us doing a podcast about chris rock's episode or comedy special to be an endorsement of chris rock's special just for it's a it's he's filthy right it's a it is it is dirty filthy nastythy, nasty comedy. But we both watched it because we've glossed over somewhat of the nastiness and want to have a conversation about he's breaking norms. He's using comedy to say things that most people won't say. He's going after kind of these sacred cows that have been set up.

And when he hits them them it's actually pretty funny um it's also funny just because we don't get to hear it often yeah but but one of the things he talks about is victimhood right so let's play a clip evita and get you on the other side about how he's kind of he talked about this emergency room that we have now in america full of people with paper cuts, which is true. Everyone's a victim, and no one is cashed in on victim status more than Harry and Meghan Markle. And so here he is going after Meghan Markle. Everybody trying to be a victim.

Like, what's this girl, Meghan Markle? Oh, seem like a nice lady just complaining i was like didn't she hit the light skin lottery hit the light skin lottery and still going on complaining some of that she went through was not racism. It was just some in-law. And so right here, Vita, he's saying that what I just said about some of this stuff isn't racism. It's just in-law. All right, Vita, it's just in-law stuff. It is not racism. What do you make of that, of his of his points? What do you make of that, of his of his points?

Yeah, well, it was first of all, it was so wonderful to see yet another big name call out. Harry and Meghan South Park famously did it a few weeks ago. And I think it's just so it's so, you know, it's delicious. It's delicious. It's a great word for it. I mean, he said exactly what we're all thinking about them, which is what South Park did, too, that I mean, we hear these stories about Megan crying on Oprah and she's so upset about what's happened. And we're like, these seem like pretty normal interactions. I'm not really sure it's racism. I think we're just really sensitive. And he put it out so perfectly, so funny. And again, just saying the quiet part out loud, what everybody is thinking about the whole situation. What about the color of the baby? He said, it's not racist to wonder, you know, how brown the baby's going to be. Even black people want to know how brown the

baby is. You know, I'm Mexican American and Sean is white. And when we had our babies, I'm like, are they going to be more Mexican or are they going to be more Irish? I mean, we all – and all of our nine kids are different shades of brown. And, you know, it's normal, right, Sean? I don't care how brown or white my kids are. I was just curious to go – do they have my perfect ears or Rachel's dysfunctional ears? Sean hates my ears. I'm just going to – I don't have a fold in my ear like the way some people do like him. And so the first thing Sean looks for is he thinks my, he thinks my ear lobe looks like

you ever seen those jeans that have fake pockets? Like it's not really a pocket. So he thinks that's what my ear looks like. The side of her ear was like super glued to the skin on skin. And I have like a nice curved ear. That's a side note. I know. But those are things that parents will look at together about what their kids are going to have.

But again, I mentioned he was hitting sacred cows. And he was here because Megan and Harry had become sacred cows. Well, not anymore. Not since South Park, Sean. But he also played both sides. Not since South Park, John. But he also played both sides because after he hit Megan in the clip we just played, he also went on to say, well, of course the royal family is racist. They developed racism.

Colonialism. They're the original colonialists. So he kind of had some hits on both sides. But the reason I think we found it so enjoyable was he actually was an equal opportunity offender. And there are parts that we're offended by. I mean, not offended, but I didn't agree with. But it was nice. He was playing it both ways. That's how comedy used to be. You're so young. You can't remember the days when SNL actually used to go after both Republicans and Democrats. There was a time not that long ago when comedy went on both sides. Any other

tell me some more of your takeaways from the Chris Rock special. I think that it was you're definitely right that he gave some, you know, some little gestures to the left in his in his comedy sketch. But I think the real takeaway was a rejection of leftism. Right. I mean, that's the title of the whole sketches. Mom, if you can remember it for me, but... Selective outrage. Selective outrage. Selective outrage. And so I think while he has some liberal viewpoints, and I think he really internally doesn't want to like the right, he doesn't like conservatives, he doesn't like... I mean, it's not who he is. He's kind of had to side with them because the

left has made it so intolerable to function as a human being or as a comedian or as an actress. If you have any viewpoints that aren't stridently on the left and he's just said, you know, I can't do it anymore. And and that's why I think it was the takeaway was really a rejection of leftism and really on the side of of conservatives saying you guys have taken the wokeness and the PCness way too far. If you know, maybe it's not an embracing of conservatives, because I agree with you. I think his his instincts are not conservative at all. But it reminds me of when Sarah Huckabee said, you know, it's the decision that we're making in America isn't between left and right, Republican or Democrat. It's between crazy and not crazy. Right. And so he also he talked to use Meghan Markle a bit as as a way as a way to talk about that.

The other really fascinating thing that I saw was he took on the topic of abortion. Now, this you know, everyone who watches this knows how, you know, all three of us feel about the issue of abortion. But it was it was interesting. So he joked about it, which feels really uncomfortable for us. But at the same time, he said he came out in essence, endorsed abortion, basically said a woman's choice. What do you mean? I paid for more abortions than any woman. So he's basically, he gives a nod to the left because I think he knows there are certain sacred cows that he can't cross. An abortion on the left is one of them. So he said,

I'm all in favor of it. I pay for them. I'm all in on abortion. And he says, I'm on your side, women. I'm on your side. But well, and by the way, an interesting backdrop to it is how many abortions, you know, black women have a disproportionate number of abortions relative to their demographic numbers in the country. So that's a huge thing, too. So, yes, you're right, Sean. He says, I've paid for more abortions. I'm on your side, ladies. I think that you should be able to kill as many babies as you want. The silver lining there was he

actually referred to them as babies. He basically was saying, let's be honest. I think you should have this right, but let's not lie about what you're doing. You're killing babies. By the way, you should be able to kill your baby until four years old. We went to even the next step of... Kind of joking, like your kids are annoying. Almost by the way, you should be able to kill your baby until four years old. So we went to the, even the next step of kind of joking, like your kids are annoying,

but almost mocking, almost mocking the left of, of how they want to kill their babies. That's fair. That's fair. You're taking Vita. I thought my favorite part was when he compared the abortionist to a hit man. He was like, every time I call him up, it's like, I'm, I'm calling a hit on someone, which is really what's happening. Somebody that's inconvenient that you don't want around. And I just it's really interesting because I've actually had this kind of conversation with people in college, people in high school. I've watched TikToks as the debate is sort of going on. And your generation, maybe even a little bit before the the pro abortion argument was that it's not human.

the pro-abortion argument was that it's not human, but as science gets better and better, it's increasingly more difficult for people, especially young people who took a biology class and know that life begins at conception. I mean, you saw an ultrasound of it. I mean, how many,

how many people your age have seen a 40 ultrasound of their sibling? And so they meet their, they are meeting their siblings in utero. And so these euphemisms of it's just a clump of cell doesn't work when you see a perfectly formed baby in a 4D ultrasound. Go ahead. What I was going to say, it's just, it's so hard for the pro-abortion people to have these two competing sides. So they have to either say it's not a life and sort of lie to themselves or they take the side of Chris Rock. And there's very few people out there who are honest enough with themselves and are able to do that. And I think it's almost more powerful coming

from Chris Rock than it is from the three of us because we're already pro-life. He says, I'm pro-choice. You can kill as many babies as you want, but let's not lie to ourselves here. It is a baby. And that is really, really hard for a lot of people to hear, especially from somebody who's on their side. I agree. By the way, he started the comedy session off by talking about so many people are saying words are violent. He's like, words are not violent. Words don't hurt unless the word is written on a brick and the brick hits you in the head. Right. I mean, you know, get punched in the face. And this was this was his first reference to the the slap that happened at the Oscars. Yeah. Yep. It was the Oscars last year.

And so he saved that moment to the very end of the of the of the show. And he brought it up. And and Sean, when when Sean and I watched this, the show, and he brought it up. And Sean and I watched the show separately, so I watched it last night. He watched it this morning. And then when he came back to our bedroom, we were talking about it, and he goes, Chris Rock said what you said, Rachel.

And Chris Rock basically said, Jada Pinkett hurt Will Smith more than Will Smith hurt me, which is what I said to Sean last year. Because I and I listen, I have a lot of compassion for Will Smith. I don't know what happened in Will Smith's life, but what Jada Pinkett did was, I mean, just, you know, humiliating to him. And so and Chris Rock brings that up, too. He keeps calling him a you know a bitch right like he's further humiliating him and saying everybody thinks that everybody thinks it's really weird that he took her back and worse that he went on her stupid

podcast and got interviewed about how he felt about her having sex with her son's friend. And I mean, the whole thing. So Will Smith's wife, Jada Pinkett, had an affair with their son's friend. Right. So like a rapper, right? Way younger than Jada Pinkett and basically had a like was in love with him, but also then called out to Will Smith during a podcast and wanted to talk about it on air. How humiliating. By the way, I guess this is some part of Scientology

about bringing out some of these inner feelings that one might have. And so they're supposed to do this, but I don't know, it's really uncomfortable. And again, as whether you're a man or a woman, that would become incredibly uncomfortable and embarrassing. And he's saying, I didn't start this. They started this. And also he brought up something that a lot of people didn't know about. I didn't know. I learned about this through through this comedy special with Chris Rock, that when Chris Rock was hosting going to host the Oscars, that when Chris Rock was hosting, going to host the Oscars, the year that he was going to host the Oscars was the year that all these black people were, black actors were going to boycott the Oscars saying, remember the Oscars so white?

Was that the moniker that they were using? Yeah. Yeah. And Will Smith's film wasn't nominated and so she said well will smith's film's not nominated other people's are not being nominated um you know for for oscars and this is so why and you should you chris rock should also boycott the oscars and not do it because you know we need to be united as a group. And he was like, listen, I want to do my job. And by the way, you're and he says this in the comedy special, your husband's movie is not very good.

So maybe that's not why maybe that's why it's not nominated. But but in any case, it was a complicated story. He finally saved this show to unpack some of it. finally saved this show to unpack some of it, if you know. Yeah, it was really interesting. If you listen to it, like at the very end, I was laughing throughout the whole special. I thought it was really well done. I probably one of the few times that I've really enjoyed Chris Rock. I haven't loved it. My sister, everybody knows my husband loves comedy. And so we watch a lot of comedy together. And it's always a balance of like, what what do I like? What does he like? And usually I don't like it. And usually I don't like Chris Rock, but I like this one. But at the end, it

wasn't really funny. It was very serious. It was almost like he was giving a speech and I, and I, instead of wanting to laugh, I was like wanting to snap my fingers or clap or like, but I was like, amen to everything that he was saying. And I had I walked away feeling almost like satisfied, like like with Will Smith. I feel vindicated as well. I was able to like have him watch him express how he really felt about that horribly embarrassing slap from Will Smith. And I want I went on Twitter and I looked at what other people were saying about it. And they thought most people, I guess, were saying

it was a really terrible thing that Will Smith apologized and there was no need for Will Smith to go and defend himself in this special. And I just think Chris Rock, you mean for Chris Rock to attack Will Smith. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Chris Rock to defend himself. And I just completely disagree. And I thought it was really vindicating. And I thought he said what we were all thinking, but we needed to hear that from him because otherwise we're all living in this alternate universe where we're like, I guess it's normal for Jada Pinkett to have this weird relationship with this guy and for, for her to say something to Chris Rock, but then he's not allowed to, you know, make a joke about her hair, a really benign joke in, in his, um, and hosting the Oscars or whatever. I mean,

I just found it very vindicating for him and for myself as a viewer. Um, and like I said, it wasn't really funny, but I really enjoyed it. Sean, you said how commercially smart it was for him to hold his tongue until now. Yeah. so he hasn't really spoken about the slap heard around the world until now, right? And when you wait almost a year, it brings up some anticipation. People want to hear him talk about it. And I think that part of it brought viewers in,

which is also why he probably waited until the end of the show to actually talk about it. But the reason we're talking about this in particular, and again, it's probably not a comedy special that you and I would watch. It's pretty filthy. But the reason there's a level of excitement or interest on the right

is because comedy has been wokefied. And comedy is not funny anymore. And that Chris Rock actually did a comedy special that could offend both sides. Yeah. That was pretty funny. And by the way, I never laughed out loud once when I watched it.

I did. I thought it was humorous, but your mom was watching it last night as I was trying to go to bed. With earbuds on. And she kept laughing and laughing. I'm like, okay, listen, enough. I want to go to sleep

and she was laughing watching this special i didn't need to and so i my my my thought on this is hopefully tucker carlson did a whole special about comedy and you see the power of comedy whether to your your point, Evita South Park and now Chris Rock hitting Meghan Markle. Comedy can be cutting. Comedy can bring truth to certain situations. And I think that's why the left has been so afraid of comedy. That's why they've tried to shut comedians down. That's why Greg Gutfeld is winning the comedy wars on Fox News, beating ABC, NBC, and CBS

because they talk politics, and Gutfeld will actually talk about things that people find to be funny. And Greg's willing to hit both sides. I mean, he'll make fun of the left, he'll make fun of the right. Clearly, he has a right-of-center point of view. But listen, I mean, that is like a forbidden point of view on the other comedy um late night comedy shows and listen and what what gutfeld does is gutfeld brings on like fox talent right

and these other whether it's jimmy kimmel or jimmy fallon i mean they're bringing on a list guests and he's still people want to see and right the the fox guests are still with greg gutfeld beating um the other main networks because people want funny. They want to sit back and they want to laugh. And you've got to be willing to laugh at both sides. And again, we're going to show. And at yourself. Exactly.

And at yourself. Can I tell you, there's a couple other interesting themes that went through that I thought were fascinating and very subversively comic, conservative, I should say. So one was he talked a lot about how he seems very proud of the fact that he's made money and he's been able to provide for his daughters. And he talked about that a lot, that he has a daughter who's in, you know, culinary school in Paris and that his kids, you know, work, you know, went, you know, to the finest schools and had, you know, were equestrians and fencers. And he just loved this idea and talked about how his own mother, when she was a child, had it was illegal when his mom was a child to go to a white dentist.

legal when his mom was a child to go to a white dentist. And so if you were not around in an area in, I guess she was, she would grow up in the South. If you did not have a black dentist in town and you couldn't get to a black dentist in another town, you had to go to the vet to have your tooth removed because you were not allowed. It was against the law to go to a white dentist. you were not allowed, it was against the law, to go to a white dentist. And he, and by the way, and the thing he also says, I'm never a victim. You'll never see me on Oprah and Gayle crying about anything, including this story. And instead he says, look, my mom had the indignity of having her teeth removed by a veterinarian, treated like an animal. And now she flies out twice a year to see my daughter, who's in Paris in culinary school. And again, this is the American dream, right?

This is how far we've come. And he's breaking down so many of the myths about America that somehow people are still oppressed. We'll have more of this conversation after this. Bet MGM is an official sports betting partner of the National Hockey League still oppressed. We'll have more of this conversation after this. your favorite skater, or your style, there's something every NHL fan is going to love about BetMGM. Download the app today and discover why BetMGM is your hockey home for the season. Raise your game to the next level this year with BetMGM, a sports book worth a celly and an official sports betting partner of the National Hockey League.

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anybody brag about their money and how much they've been able to provide for their kids. Except Trump, right? I think that there's a perception in sort of the cultural Marxism that we live in, where if you make something of yourself, you have to keep it to yourself because people are going to get mad and they're going to get jealous. And there was something really liberating and I think very inspiring about him being so proud of what he's built and how far he's come generationally and the kind of life that he's been able to provide for his daughters who are, you know, speak multiple languages and went to these really fancy schools and are now in Paris and are fencing. That was a big thing. He's like, have you ever seen a black girl fence? And he was like, I'm so happy that I've been able to provide for them the way that I have. And I just thought it was interesting because I'm just not used to seeing celebrities or rich people in general own it because the culture is always saying, keep it to yourself, check your privilege.

Well, what they're saying is if you have money, it's not that you actually earned it. It's that you stole it from someone else. Someone else's labor made you rich. And he does not buy that narrative. And I like that he was proud of what he's given his girls. And the other undercurrent about it was proud to be a providing father, right? And which was an interesting message. A large part of his audience, as you could see from the Netflix special, were African-Americans and, you know, fatherhood is a big issue. If you are really, again, we've been talking about

telling the truth, right? Um, the truth is fatherhood is, um, the, the, the main problem facing black America, not racism, but fatherlessness. And here he was as a comedian, just being so proud of, of what he was able to provide as a father. And I thought that was a powerful message to send to his eyes. I also, one other part that I liked when he was talking about it, he talked a lot about his daughter. But when he, there was, there was one incident when she was, she was going to a private school and he was bragging on the private school and they go on these fancy trips.

He talked about, you know, when I, I went in August, you know, with a church group to Disney, and we stayed in Alabama. When we went to Orlando, he talked about his experience. On a church bus. He's like, this is the most depressing way to go to Disney is with the church group. And now he talks about the kind of trips that his daughters get to go on because of his success. Now he talks about the kind of trips that his daughters get to go on because of his success. And during one of the trips that they went on. The school trip.

The school trip, his daughter and a couple of the girls. Went to Portugal. It was in Portugal. They snuck away and they went to a bar and they drank and got drunk and thought they could sneak back in to the group. And they got busted. And they were suspended and were going to get kicked out. And all the parents rallied and they were going to hire lawyers to make sure they got their kids back into school. And he came home one day during the 10-day suspension as they were trying to fight to

get the kids back into school. And he saw his daughter hanging out, laughing and having a wonderful time. And he was disturbed by that. And so he tells the story of going to the headmaster of the school and basically say, I know we're suing you. I know we want to get our kids back in, but don't let my daughter back in the school. Kick her out. Yeah. And he felt pressure to join. He was like he was kind of like, this isn't right. Like they they broke the rules. Of course, they should face consequences. But the other white parents had hired some big fancy lawyer and

he was like okay i guess we should join but then yeah he realized if he wanted his daughter to be successful she was going to have to face the con and accountable he was going to have to face the consequences another issue that he brought up sean but an interesting undercurrent of messages that he's sending yes underneath all the all the all the all the jokes it was and he talked about so that's victimhood and then this here was an example of responsibility yes personal parents making their kids take responsibility for their actions and she was probably better off for it yeah he also talked about go ahead go ahead of you i want to add something about that point that i i just as i was listening to it and it reminded me of I when I was younger and we went on some more congressional trips, I was able to meet a lot of other families.

And the life of the children of congressmen with one or two kids is very different than our life with eight or nine. And I think the best way to learn responsibility is to have a super big family. Doesn't matter what the socioeconomic status is. There's a lot that there's a lot that I learned from being the oldest of nine. Yeah. You know, a lot of people ask me about you and they'll say, you know, God, she turned out so great. How did you know all of you guys have are turning out great. Thank God. Knock on wood. But I do think a lot of it is that you did have that kind of responsibility that you have to help. You have to help out.

I mean, you know, whether we're getting out the door to go to church or going on a family trip, I mean, it's not like, you know, rainbows and unicorns. Breakfast in the morning, doing dishes. You have to help. There's just too much. Shoes and help packing. Evita and even Michael, her um her husband I mean for the last I don't know how many years have done the school shopping for me school supply shopping supply

shopping um because it's just a lot and I'm like listen take care of this you have six seven different players from different classes of different stuff and actually you guys have you guys have always helped another But I think another interesting topic. Go ahead. Say it's like you think like, you know, when I was younger and I was in high school and, oh, it's so glamorous, your father's in Congress. And I was, you know, coming home and changing diapers and driving kids to baseball practice.

And just, it's not glamorous at all. And I think that was for the best. It wasn't glamorous for me either. I was like a single mom with six and then eventually eight kids. And then when he got out, we had the ninth. But, you know, I'll tell you, it is it is tough work. It's a great honor. But it was a team effort. When you know, if anyone out there is listening and wanting to serve, I encourage you. But just know it is a family effort. He wasn't the only one who served. It was all of us.

It was all of us. So I want to bring up another thing that I found interesting because there were lots of themes that he found lots of laughs on. But there's an undercurrent that speaks to conservative issues. And the other was crime. So he talked about neighborhoods, different kinds of neighborhoods. And so he says if you go to one neighborhood and you see a lot of women not working, wearing Lululemon pants and workout pants and strolling their babies or walking their dogs or coming out of SoulCycle and the women don't work, that is a neighborhood that he says he wants to live in. And he says, now, I want to reverse that. If you're in a neighborhood where there are a lot of guys at 12, 15 in the afternoon wearing jogging pants

and they're not working and they're riding children's bike as their own transportation, you are in danger. You don't want to be in that neighborhood. And again, this is where you're talking about, Evita, these class issues, things you're not supposed to say. But the point is, we all work hard so that we can live in safe neighborhoods. And unfortunately, on the left, they are defunding police. And it is the poor neighborhoods that are doing worse. You're now seeing rich neighborhoods actually trying to secede from, you know, cities that are refusing to protect them or

they're providing their own private security. But how safe your neighborhood matters to you? Can I speak as a white male? We'll talk about this. Chris Rock can say things that I can't say. we'll talk about this. Chris Rock can say things that I can't say. But Rachel, as a Hispanic woman, can say things that if I said them, I would get in trouble for. I would be canceled for. We might say that's unfair,

but there is a reality to that. And that's why I like for me, I'm like, good for Chris Rock, good for Rachel. But I'm going to stay away from that topic because just the way cancellations can work. Now, if asked, I'll give you an honest answer, but I'm not going to bring it up myself. I'll go, we'll give that one to Rachel. Can I switch gears on you guys? Are you guys done with Chris Rock? Yeah, yeah. Well, I don't know. Let Lovita finish, see if she has

any last thoughts. Yeah, I wanted to say one thing, just kind of tangential to that. I think that the takeaway from this whole comedy special is that it's a great sign for the culture, that he said a lot of things we all want to hear, and comedy is rejecting the rules that wokeism has set out for them, and we're seeing it by a big name on Netflix that everybody's talking about. And I think eventually as Chris Rock starts to say stuff, especially in a comedic way, hopefully soon,

dad, you will have the voice and the right to say that. Yeah. My superpower, I guess, is that I'm not white. Is that what you're saying? Okay.

But it's such a great point you bring up, because if you look at remember ISIS, one of the first things they did was throw comedians off of buildings. And, you know, the comedians are sort of that that sign of whether a culture or society is truly free, how healthy that society is in terms of freedom. is truly free, how healthy that society is in terms of freedom. It's not a conservative area. We're not in a small town in Texas. So that whole crowd was laughing and enjoying his sketch, I think, is also very important. That's right. The comedy special took place in Baltimore. That's right. And that's an excellent point. But yeah, this was an important special.

I think he and others, I mean, we just watched the Roseanne Barr special on Fox Nation, which she also brought up a lot of said a lot of taboo things like on abortion, for example. She said, I don't want to hear from you pro choicers out there about abortion rights and whatnot, because all of you who are pro-abortion are the same people who took the vaccine. And y'all know you're not getting pregnant, which of course, you know, she's speaking about the fertility of the issues that we are now seeing with the vaccine. So these are really taboo subjects that you're not allowed to talk about. I would say she probably got the loudest laugh on that, on that line, but comedy is important. line but comedy is important um it is about the health and maybe this is that crack um in in the in this society that we're living in and we're starting to be able to speak more freely before i switch gears let me just make another point so

uh netflix is probably one of the wokest companies in amer. Absolutely. Netflix has a lot of competition. Now, every network, every movie maker is putting out their content on their platform, all asking for subscription fees. And that has been a drain on Netflix to the point where Netflix is going to start cracking down on people sharing their passwords and usernames because they need more revenue in. It's a real problem. And so even though Netflix is woke, that they would let Chris Rock do this special and kind of be an equal opportunity offender, say some things that I'm sure the board at Netflix doesn't approve of, doesn't like, doesn't agree with, may speak to something about, you know, know going woke going broke in America

and saying we're going to put out content that might it's a great point everyone might like some people might hate some people might love and so again there's there's this again in a world that I see as black for the future of America sometimes this might be a glimmer of hope of light um of people waking up to going, hey, we're not going to do this anymore. If Netflix can do it, hopefully other companies will do it as well. Well, it's a long way to go to that free America

you remember from the 80s show. You know, I'm on the business network now on the bottom line, so I had to bring in that little component. You brought in the business aspect. But you know what? It is a great point. If Netflix, I bet everyone on that board, if they could,

you know, they let Dave Chappelle, he had this special, and they got a lot of push back on that. But ultimately, they relented and they haven't caved to all the... And it's not just the board that's liberal. They're worried about

their own employees often. California companies. I'm going to switch gears with you guys. I want to spend a little bit of time on this because the other big news of this week is that Tucker Carlson has dropped the unseen January 6 tapes from the Capitol. We were always shocked that we couldn't see all the tapes. I was angry about it, Sean. They were talking about how the security is going to be threatened in the Capitol and we can't see all the tapes. I was angry about it, Sean. And they were talking about how the security is going to be threatened in the Capitol and we can't show you this. Well, so Tucker showing the tapes

and I want to talk about a couple of points in this. Number one, you saw people, again, the videos that were presented by the media were true. You had people breaking glass, breaking down doors, you know, breaching barricades, rushing into the Capitol. And that is part of the story. Yeah. And by the way, if you broke glass, get into the Capitol. If you broke doors to get into the Capitol, I have no problem with you being prosecuted and the book being thrown at you. I don't. I have no I don't accept that. That's not the way we behave

in this country. Unless you're a lot of people that walk. I would agree with that to BLM as well. in this country. A lot of people then walk. I would agree with that to BLM as well. I'm a law enforcement guy. I'm an equal opportunity application of the law guy. But there's not Tucker showed video of sorry. Did you say that? I said, but there's not what did you say? I agree with that. But I'm not going to I'm not going to be a hypocrite myself. I'm going to say I believe in equal application. And I think it should be applied. So I'll be an example. And if you broke into the Capitol, you broke doors, destroyed property. You shouldn't go to jail for four years. But you should have a sentence that's appropriate for your crime. Correct. So just to get to the point, and many of you may have seen this, but I thought it was

fascinating. And we knew these stories were there. But if you look at the rotunda, that's the center of the Capitol. They had a camera from on top. And really, you had these rioters, these insurrectionists. So-called. I was air quoting if you're listening. I had air quotes on the video. Yeah, you did. They're walking through the Capitol.

They're giving themselves a self-guided tour, oftentimes respectable, walking through the rope lines. The Capitol Police seem like they're leading them. The Capitol Police are almost giving like a tour of the Capitol. Really nothing like what you think an insurrection would be, right? But that video was contrary to the narrative that was being put out by the media. And so they never showed it to us. One of the best parts of the January 6th committee or January 6th. I want to go back before the breach and go, what did Nancy

Pelosi know? What was the intelligence that because the person who controls how much security is around the Capitol is Nancy Pelosi. Nancy Pelosi is getting the highest level of intelligence information fed to her days and days before she could have enacted the National Guard. She could have had more police presence there. She knew, apparently, she was informed that there could be a riot, that people were planning on coming to the Capitol and that they had information about people in the Proud Boys. We now there's a lot of suspicion about how much the FBI had infiltrated the Proud Boys. What did she know? Why didn't she secure the building? I mean, Sean, Donald Trump authorized the National Guard to be called up on January 6th and they didn't call him up. And she did not. so that's another she needs to be brought

um into a hearing to explain what she knew why she didn't get the help there evita any take i do i have two chicago stories for you and i promise that they're relevant but um one we had a disinformation conference at u chicago i think well it was a it was around a year ago from around this time, and Adam Kinzinger was there. And somebody asked him in the crowd, when is the January 6th committee going to release the footage that the public can see? And he said, oh, we'll get to it eventually. We'll get to it. We have to go through all the footage to make sure it's all kosher. And of course, they never did until, you know, Kevin McCarthy was in charge. And I think they never had any intention of letting the public know.

We see what they've done with the footage. Tucker talked about how they were purposely maligning members of Congress by selectively editing footage, saying that Josh Hawley was running. He was running away scared. saying that Josh Hawley was running, he was running away scared. I mean, this is really terrible, malicious stuff that they did with this footage by not releasing it to the public. But the worst part is the narrative that they created, right, that the conservatives are dangerous, that we need to bring the FBI in and all of our federal agencies in and crack down on this extremism.

And my second Chicago story is that on the year anniversary of January 6th, Andrew McCabe came, the former FBI deputy who was very involved in Russian collusion, very responsible for what happened there. And he said that mainstream conservatives should be likened to Islamic terrorists. That's the threat that they pose to our country post January 6. And they were able to create that narrative because they withheld footage and information from the American people. And now the damage is done, Tucker Carlson is already he's trying to, you know, save save the narrative, trying to bring some truth into what's the lies that have been spewed at us over the last couple of years.

But the damage has already been done. And there's a whole swath of the country that believes the lies that were promulgated by the January 6th show trial and also believes that mainstream conservatives pose a threat to our country in a way that is just not true at all. And arms of our government and wings of our government, our DOJ, our FBI, have already, using that narrative, have been weaponized against conservatives, Sean. So totally. Because of that. As you know, I spent 10 years as a prosecutor. And as a prosecutor, I'm part of the executive branch. And we collect evidence.

If me, the state, as a prosecutor, have evidence that's exculpatory, meaning I have evidence that'll show that Rachel, the defendant, did not commit a crime, I can't hide that. I can't tuck that away in a corner of my office and not let anyone see it. I'm actually required by law to give exculpatory evidence to Rachel for her defense. I got to give her all the information, all the bad stuff I have in her and all the good stuff I have in her. I have to turn it all over. That should apply here. Of course.

You should turn over all the evidence and the American people should have seen. Yes. By the way, I was offended by January 6th when they broke into the Capitol. I was. I cried when I went into the Capitol for the first time. And when I went onto the House floor as a member, I was- You have a lot of respect for the place. I respect it. And I thought those who first breached were disrespectful. But hundreds of people were not

that have been prosecuted. And we as Americans were entitled to see everything that happened. They showed us the bad stuff, but then show us the good stuff. But the good stuff showed that it was not actually an insurrection. People were not trying to take over their government. They didn't take over the building with arms. No one died but Ashley Babbitt at the hands of protesters. They were calling it a violent insurrection. So this was about a narrative. This was about selling a version of events to the American people was not which was not a true version. To justify actions by the government that they were going to take to purge people out of our military. I'm saying that, you know, if they were conservatives or had certain beliefs, it was justified for that. It was justified to go after parents, parents at school boards, at religious Catholics. I mean, all kinds of things. And I think it's also worth noting that it was being that Nancy Pelosi used January 6th to put to control the Capitol and to smear members of Congress. So what they did after that, in addition to surrounding the Capitol with fencing

and National Guard that they should have had beforehand, by the way, afterwards, they created a fortress out of the people's house. So people were not allowed to come in and out. I have friends and family who work on Capitol Hill, and they said, oh, my goodness, like the difference night and day between their ability to access the Capitol as a as a citizen between when Nancy Pelosi was in office and now is incredible. They had metal detectors so that members of Congress, this really offended me, couldn't go in to vote unless they went through metal detectors, implying that somehow they were terrorists. Because AOC, who was in an entirely different building, claimed that she doesn't feel safe anymore. After this, as you said, from other members of Congress, other members of Congress. And again, perpetuating that lie that members of Congress were, you know, part of an insurrection.

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the office buildings of the Congress, which are across the street from the Capitol, and there's tunnels that will connect you to the Capitol underneath. And then you have the Capitol complex itself. The video footage of Barry Laudermilk giving a tour to his constituents were in the office buildings of the members of Congress. That's like where I had my office in those buildings. He wasn't in the Capitol giving a tour. And by the way, there were constituents. I had constituents all the time that, and that's one of the great services as a member, you can bring parents and kids and bring them on a tour of the Capitol. It's really cool to do that. And members of Congress do it all the time. And the left took Barry Loudermilk, giving a tour to constituents as he's

helping insurrectionists case the Capitol. And it couldn't have been further from the truth. So the point is, they lie. They are liars. They sold us a bill of goods that was completely false. But to your point, Evita, and I want you to speak to this, once the message is out, once the narrative is out, it's hard to rewrite the truth in people's minds. Most Americans still probably think that Donald Trump colluded with Russia. They don't realize that it was all a hoax. It was all false. It was all made up. They'll also always think that Donald Trump colluded with Russia. They don't realize that it was all a hoax. It was all false. It was all made up. They'll also always think that there was an insurrection. They'll never see the truth come out, which is why the left is never going to stop using this tactic.

It works for them. And we're going to see this playbook being played until they're called out and it doesn't work for them. What do we do about the FBI is really my question for you, dad. Is there legislation that we can put in place? Can Congress say literally, when are we going to take the step to literally say abolish the FBI? It does nothing to help the American people. And I don't want to say, oh, let's shrink it down. Let's make it more into, no, I'm saying abolish the FBI. How do we go about doing that? So after September 11th, we gave new powers to the FBI. They have an intelligence wing and they have a law enforcement wing. Those two should be separated, number one. Or one eliminated, maybe? Why do they have an intelligence wing?

Well, because on 9-11, so the CIA will do foreign intelligence. Do you still want intelligence here to protect the homeland. What does the homeland security do that? No, not necessarily. They might do some of it. Maybe that's what needs to happen is like some sort of thing you want. No, you know, you don't want to consolidate. You want to separate.

You want to separate those powers. But here's here's the key problem that we have. And it's not just the FBI. It's not just the DOJ. Every aspect, every aspect of the federal government, they're unionized. So again, Donald Trump gets elected. He brings in senior leadership, secretaries and senior leadership, name your department, education, interior, energy, name the department, those leaders come in and they try to implement the will of the now duly elected president. And it becomes almost impossible because the whole staff underneath them, the lawyers, the bureaucrats, they're all left-wing liberals. And they will fight you every step of the way when you want to implement your agenda. And you can't fire them really,

really hard and you't fire them. What can Congress do to rein this Leviathan on? So you have to get rid of the federal union. You can't be unionized. If you don't want to do if Donald Trump was elected, Ron DeSantis is elected and you're in whatever your department is in government and you don't want to accomplish the goals of Ron DeSantis and the secretary of that department. Bye bye. You're fired. Get out of here. bye bye you're fired get out of here agency that that that looks out for for foreign you know problems that we have if there's anything domestic why aren't we giving that to local powers to say you know what we're gonna deal with stuff with the sheriff's department and the the police department

and then because you want business so you don't want to eat making it everything big and monolithic and then allowing them to have this this power to then weaponize against political enemies of whoever is in power in the United States. So because you have a corrupt organization doesn't mean the concept of that organization is flawed. Right. It's the corruption is flawed. So the FBI that can look between states, counties, municipalities, it has a broad view and it has America as a jurisdiction is a good thing. Right. But it's now corrupt. So we should fix the corruption. We have to root out the corruption. We need good people. So you have you have interstate criminality. You have plots that can exist between state lines. And if I only have, you know, a state apparatus or a county apparatus looking at small aspects of a crime,

you can't put the whole picture together. The FBI can put the full picture together of criminal organizations or a criminal enterprise that exists across state lines and across jurisdictions. And that's a good thing. But it's become corrupt and corrupted. And so you have to actually and this is the next the next. This is the most important thing the next American conservative president can do is to say we are going to fix the corruption. And the first part is that the FBI and the DOJ, because if law enforcement isn't equally applied and it's a tool of one party over another, you don't have a democracy any longer. You're like some third

world country. You have to fix it. So, Sean, I want to go back to this, the January 6th thing. How dangerous is it? Go ahead. I'm really quick. How dangerous is it that this narrative that and I get I accept what Evita and you guys are all saying, and I'm saying too, that, you know, they set this narrative, it's kind of taken hold, but now we have this new information. And Tucker Carlson isn't some small, you know, guy on a little radio station. He's Tucker Carlson. He has a big platform. People, you know, are going to watch these videos. And does it have the potential? I mean, we've already seen so many lies from the government during COVID and the Wuhan lab and all these things that we're starting to all see the lies. Russia collusion. We're all seeing these lies come to light. But January 6th, is there a potential that January 6th lies from that committee crumble, that we start to see what really happened, that Kevin McCarthy, who deserves credit for having released these tapes, that even more stuff comes out, not just from the tapes, but again, the intelligence that Nancy Pelosi had before and didn't choose to use security to secure the complex.

Is it possible that this whole thing or if we uncover that there's people in the FBI who were planted and and agitators in the crowd? Does this have the potential to crumble and and really cause some huge political ramifications? No. Why? So you're just depressing me. So it can crumble the narrative can crumble but i bring you back to russia collusion the whole russia collusion narrative every single liberal network covered this story of donald trump colluding with russia not just every day every hour of every day they covered it and so once itumbled, they didn't cover the story at all. And so it comes back to media. And our founders understood the media is a really important part

of democracy. And if you have somewhat of an honest media that will tell you the truth about what's happening, they're not invested in a political movement. And people would actually hear. You were lied to about Russia collusion. You were lied to about masks and lockdowns and the effective seat of vaccines and Wuhan lab. And now on January 6th, if they would tell that story to the American people, yeah, it would have a difference. But when only a small subset of viewers who may watch Fox and may get conservative news or listen to podcasts that will tell them the story, but the vast majority of people don't hear the correction. And so it doesn't have the impact that you just mentioned. important in a truthful media, an honest media, a media that wants to inquire and bring stories to the public. It's so important, but doesn't exist today, but for like one cable news network.

Well, I was going to add that it's also the maligning of conservative and alternate media sources. So the Federalist was when I first was an intern in 2020, the summer of 2020, they were deplatformed. They lost their Google ads. And I mean, Google had some terrible reason for it and eventually went back on it. But the point is that all the time there are fact checkers that are funded. These fact checking organizations are funded by terrible, super monolithic globalist organizations. I did a piece on this, which we can, I't know how we maybe we can cite it. But like, if you follow the money, it's really interesting to see who fought who funds these fact checkers. But anyways, who's funding fact checkers? Is that what you're talking about?

Right. But no, but the point is that the fact checkers have their own their own bias to it, too. And their job is to discredit anyone that's not the mainstream media, the corporate media. And then the social media companies use the fact checkers as a pretext to de-platform them. And suddenly, whatever Tucker Carlson said last night is now seen as fringe and crazy and conservative and probably a lie because we're being told that by the fact checkers and by the social media companies that are habitually de-platforming them or censoring them. And so I think before we can even talk about, you know, freedom of the press and the kind of country that our founders made, we have to have, you know, our own platforms. We have to have our own our own Facebook, our own YouTube, which we have.

We have Rumble, which is great. But that's that's a whole other problem. It's not just do we have the right to set up a site? It's also like, how are we being discredited by these organizations? And it goes back to very, very powerful words that the left uses. This story that the left puts out has been debunked, or the left is saying this story, and this is disinformation. And you look back at all the debunked stories and the disinformation stories, and lo and

behold, they turned out to be true. And the one that was providing disinformation was ABC, NBC, CBS, those networks. Again, a Wuhan lab story. I was going to say something that I haven't heard anybody talk about this. And Trump defunded the WHO when he was in office. And then immediately one of the first things Biden did was refund the WHO. The WHO is the worst. They during the during the all COVID, they had this coalition of investigators go to China to investigate the origins of the virus. And all of the investigators were compromised by the CCP because the CCP picked

them. One of them was Peter Peter Daszak, who is the president of EcoHealth. And the great irony, because EcoHealth is an organization that was funneling funds, federal tax dollars, into the Wuhan lab that we think started the coronavirus. It was just like crazy irony there, right? And the WHO comes back and gives journalists 30 minutes to review the origins, their report on the origins of the virus. And when they journalists asked the reporters from the WHO if they believed that the lab leak was a potential origin, they said, we didn't even consider it. It's a conspiracy theory. We paid for their trip to China. We're we're still paying for the WHO stuff. And I mean, we can talk about the FBI

and the CIA and all that. I mean, and they're terrible and we had their own. But almost what's worse is these globalist organizations that we're funding that are even more difficult to check. And I just want to just call your congressman and tell them to advocate to defund the WHO because nobody's talking about it. And they are so nervous. Defund the WHO. Now Joe Biden for the next pandemic has set America up to follow the directives in America of the WHO. So the WHO now is in charge of pandemic response in America. So Donald Trump tried to defund them and Joe Biden refunded them and went a step further

and said, we're going to outsource our autonomy to the WHO. You get to control our next pandemic response. I mean, this is insanity. Yeah. Give, give that power and authority to the people who were wrong on all of this. Yeah. It's, it's scary stuff. Well, I hope I want to, it was a lot of topics. Again, I want to give credit to Kevin, Kevin McCarthy for releasing those tapes. One more. Go ahead. I was just going to say that I was listening to Joe Rogan and he said recently that we need to forgive the people who wronged us during COVID. And you might want to forgive. Right. You might want to forgive your not maybe maybe your grandma was really wanted you to wear a mask at Thanksgiving dinner. Okay. But we do not forgive. There is no mercy for the people that, that impoverished and, and, and, um, you know, destroyed the lives of so many people. So I just want to say that.

I'm telling you what, Evita, I will not be satisfied until Anthony Fauci has been so discredited that he just like puts his tail between his legs and crawls away. That's Skippy, the garbage man's here. I'm probably going to have to end that. But yeah, until Fauci is fully discredited and knocked off his pedestal that he never deserved to be on, I won't be satisfied. Until he is fully held to account.

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