From the Kitchen Table: The Duffys - The Marxist Roots Of The Democrat's War On Families

Episode Date: June 8, 2023

How is the Left's war on families and the sexualization of America's children linked to the Marxist movement? Senior Fellow at the Heritage Foundation Mike Gonzalez joins to discuss how original European Marxists separated children from their families, and how modern-day Democrats are using these tactics to push gender ideology into schools. Later, Sean and Rachel are joined by Advertising Executive Tim Cramer, to talk about the rise of woke advertising, why companies are pushing progressive talking points in their marketing, and what you can do to protect American values. Follow Sean and Rachel on Twitter: @SeanDuffyWI & @RCamposDuffy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I'm Sean Duffy, along with my co-host of the podcast, my partner in life and my wife, Rachel Campos Duffy. Thank you, Sean. It's exciting to be here back at the kitchen table. We've been seeing and hearing a lot of weird stuff that I think people are trying to make sense of. And one of those is the sexualization, this obsession on the left to sexualize our children in schools. I just read a story this morning about the Smithsonian having pride events for toddlers.

It's just hard to make sense of it. I showed you a TikTok video yesterday of these poor little sixth, seventh grade kids shuffling into a school and all their teachers are dressed like clowns in full rainbow regalia and capes and handing out flags and saying, happy pride day, happy pride month. And the kids just seem like not even that interested. But the whole thing is like confusing because you see these adults really trying to impose this ideology on kids. So where does this all come from? So I look at this and go, there was a time that people wanted to be treated equally. They said,

listen, we want to make sure if we're gay, we're not discriminated against. If we're transgender, we don't want to be discriminated against. That was years ago. And to your point, it's transitioned, if you will, from adults. No pun intended. It's gone from let's focus on adults making decisions for themselves and their freedom to do it to now this new genre where they're focusing on children, trying to indoctrinate children, not just with trans, not just with gay, but actually sexualizing. Yeah, like the drag shows. Yeah. That's right. And I think the question becomes to your point, shows. Yeah, that's right. And I think the question becomes your point. Why? Because we've always had a protection about children, certain certain things adults can do. We say kids cannot. They're just too young. And the question becomes, why is the left doing this? What's the purpose behind

the question of today's podcast? To use Kamala's word, what's the root cause of this? So I have a friend, a good friend. His name is Mike Gonzalez. He's the senior fellow at the Heritage Foundation. And I thought he was the perfect person to come help us unpack what's happening and really understand why the targeting of our kids and what this sexualization is really about. Mike, welcome to the show. Rachel and Sean, it's a great joy for me to be at your kitchen table. Thank you very much for having me, especially for this very, very important conversation. I've written about it a lot, and I think it's very important to make clear what is going on.

Yeah. So you say the roots are Marxist. Let's let's go back and explain why they need to target kids and what this has to do with the family. So, you know, what I tell members of Congress, the last time we saw each other, Sean, you were still in Congress. So Representative Duffy, when I talk to them, I say, look, I know you're reluctant to talk about race or sex because these are dangerous themes, but it's not really about race or sex. So you can get beyond it very quickly. The target here is the family. And it has been for a very, very long time, at least since 1848, the Communist Manifesto, when Marx actually says abolish the family. And he defends his point of view in the manifesto, why the family must be abolished. Herman Engels, the co-author of the manifesto, believed that private property, personal private property, and that

was a big boogaboo, really depended on the patriarchal family, the patriarch's desire to pass his property to his children at his death. So then it really got refined. And the reason why they use children and they use desire is to, because if they get to the children, they can destroy the family. So it really is, it has been, and every Marxist since then, from Marx to George Lukacs in Hungary, to Marcuse in Germany, and then later on in the United States to Angela Davis, and now to Black Lives Matter, who had on their website

abolished the Western prescribed nuclear family, in other words, a nuclear family. They have all had this in common. And what they have, they see in sex as a really powerful urge. Marcuse spoke about this. And they see in children, little innocents whom they can use, they can lure in their plot to destroy the family. So, Mike, I don't have the greatest education, but I do recall that Marx was, it was a revolution in a movement that was based on economics. It was the working class versus the elites that was successful in some parts of the world. But we're know, the sexual revolution with kids, this is different. Why is this so different? Because I think a lot of people don't recognize maybe the roots in Marxism because it's not economic, it's something else.

Yeah, that's a very good point, Sean, and it shows your education, actually. What they found out in the 60s was something called the new left, but really beginning a bit earlier in the 1920s, but it really comes into full flower in the 60s, is that the working man was not a good revolutionary at all. In fact, the working man, and this is something that Antonio Gramsci, the founder of the Italian Communist Party, Antonio Gramsci, the founder of the Italian Communist Party, probably the biggest Marxist thinker of the 20th century. Many people, including I, myself, say that we're now,

communism is going through its Gramscian age, just like we went through Maoist age and the Stalinist age. They realized the worker liked his family. He loved his wife. He liked what property he had. He was faithful. He worshiped God. He was patriotic. He liked his nation state.

He was not about abandoning any of that. He just wanted to have improved working conditions. And then he wanted to move up. He didn't want to remain working class for the rest of his life. He wanted to become middle class and a millionaire one day. So hardcore Marxists looked at this in horror because what they wanted is to transform society. And they said to themselves, this is a horrible revolutionary agent. And they started looking for what they called an alternative, a proletariat.

So they started looking for the alternative proletariat. alternative, a proletariat. So they started looking for the alternative proletariat, and they found it in what Herbert Marcuse, who is really the guru of the New Age, that's what the New York Times called him in the late 60s, was what he called himself, this is his words, the ghetto population. They thought they could have the revolutionary agent in what Marcuse called people of other races and other colors. And as long as they had to be filled with grievances, and they moved, and this goes to the heart of what you were saying, Sean, from economic determinism,

believing that the workers' relationship to the factors of production determined everything, they moved to cultural. They're cultural Marxists for that reason. They believed that rather than have armed revolution, something else Marx called for, Marx said the worker was going to be constantly rebelling and that didn't happen. That didn't happen in industrial societies, which is why they said in the West, in industrialized societies, we need to infiltrate the institutions and indoctrinate young people. So that is such an interesting point you make. And it actually explains something that a lot of conservatives are always scratching their heads about, which is why is the left

abandoned the working class? Like they've just left it out there for the, you know, Donald Trump's and the America first movement to just swoop up. They don't care about the working class. They care about the elites or they care about the very poor. That makes sense. The middle class, the working class are not great revolutionaries. And so back to this topic of the children, the children, if you can pervert them, if you can confuse them, if you can separate them while they're young from the values of their parents, from the Christianity, from faith, you can hasten the revolution by turning them into little activists. And the main place, it seems to me, Mike, where Marxists, cultural Marxists, as you so rightly call them, are working and doing their work is in the school system. Yeah, right. This is an innovation of George Lukacs, who was the culture minister in the very short-lived Hungarian... Yeah, let's talk about George Lukacs. Why don't you give us an understanding of who he is?

Because I think he's very important to understanding what's happening right now. So the one place in Western and Central Europe where a Soviet revolution succeeded was Hungary. In 1919, they set up a Hungarian Soviet, and George Lukacs was the culture minister, was in charge of education. And he was very much about teaching children depravity, teaching them sex education, teaching them the technical aspects of sex, and saying, look, family and religion are really preventing you from pleasure. They're blocking pleasure from you. Sexual pleasure.

Yeah, sexual pleasure. And don't listen to your parents. Don't listen to your priests. Just experiment with sex. This is very young children. This is back in 1919. 1919, yes. But the Hungarian worker, the Hungarian agriculturalists,

obviously were horrified by this. And the Hungarian Soviet lasted only 133 days. He was overthrown. They all had to run for their lives. obviously were horrified by this. And the Hungarian Soviet lasted only 133 days. He was overthrown. They all had to run for their lives. The leader, Bela Kun, eventually was killed in the Gulag by Stalin, even though he was a communist. And Lukács lived to a very old age, first in Vienna, then he traveled around the world.

I think he had a great impact in German thought. And he brought these ideas to the fore. I, myself, as a young child living in communist Cuba, they constantly, first I went to private school. And then when Castro closed that and I had to go to a public school, they constantly tried to get me to join the Young Pioneers. to get me to join the Young Pioneers. And the thing was, telling us constantly we had to, if our parents were plotting, if our parents were even engaging in the black market, we had to tell them, send them to prison.

And that had been the Soviet ideal, which the Cuban communists copying the Soviet model practiced. And the principal at the public school I went to used to publicly humiliate me because I was an altar boy at the local church. So it really is this idea of controlling the children, indoctrinating the children, making the children become agents against their families, because the family is the basic unit of society. It's the most important of the mediating institution, is the most important institution. I don't need to tell you, the two of you with so many children, you actually practice what you believe, and they have to get rid of this unit, this institution, the family,

in order to overthrow society. What is the purpose of those who buy into this communist Marxist movement? Because I think the human condition of freedom and self-determination would be so appealing to so many people. And you replace that with giving elites power over your lives and your economy and the decisions that you make. It sows division and separation. Over the course of the last 100 and almost 200 years, the fact that we're still having a debate about Marxism and Marxism is still seeping its way into our economy and into our culture is mind-boggling. I mean, what is so attractive, even to the people who are promoting it, that we'll never be in leadership? So whether it's the purple-haired

second-grade teacher that's talking to their kids about their pronouns and sexuality, they're not going to be in power. What's so attractive to them? Well, let me, first of all, I will answer your question because it's a very important question. But for those of you, people watching at home who say Marxists, this is not Marxist, all the major leaders of this movement, all the major leaders of critical race theory, all the main architects, whether it's Derek Bell or Kimberly Crenshaw or Richard Delgado, and all the practitioners, all the trainers like Ibram Kendi, Robin DiAngelo, they all hate capitalism. They're all at war

with capitalism. Most of them mention Gramsci. Gramsci is mentioned by nearly all of them, including Duncan Kennedy, another great figure in these critical theories. So this is not me saying this. So who is he, for those who don't know who Gramsci is? Gramsci or Duncan Bell. Either one. Duncan Kennedy. Duncan Kennedy was the Harvard professor who really was the main architect of critical legal studies or critical legal theory, which began really in the late 70s and 80s and was a predecessor to critical race theory. Critical race theory were the critical legal theorists of color who broke off in your state of Wisconsin, actually, Sean. Sean, both these

movements, critical legal studies and critical race theory, get started in your state of Wisconsin in Madison. Critical race theory starts in a convent in 1989. And Richard Delgado afterwards said, it was so odd for all of us, all these Marxists to be meeting together and plotting behind all these stained glasses in a church, in a convent. My kids interrupted quickly on the Wisconsin point and you can continue.

So yes, we are, a lot of both in Wisconsin. Yes, the socialist movement had its start in Wisconsin, but also the Republican Party had its start in Wisconsin. So we've we started and we're fighting. We're maybe yin and yang in our great state. But thank you for mentioning Wisconsin. So this was a convent in Wisconsin? A convent in Wisconsin outside Madison where the rebels, critical legal studies professors broke off and they didn't have a name, so they named their conference, a conference on critical race theory. That's the first time that the term is used.

It was invented by Kimberly Crenshaw, who was there. And it really is a very intelligent woman. I disagree with her, obviously. She's not like Robin DiAngelo and Abram Kendi, who are more on the huckster side of things. These are legal scholars who I disagree with, but yet they started this movement. And it was started in a convent in Wisconsin in 1989 in the Conference on Critical Race Theory. Now, as to why this is so tenacious, because I really think this is so bad for humanity, Marxism, or any version of Marxism.

I study it, but I also try to think like they do. I try to get into the shoes, right? Nobody gets up in the morning, very few people get up in the morning, unless you're possessed, and say, I'm going to do evil. I'm going to cause suffering. A great deal of them, a lot of them are guilty of envy. They look at people who have succeeded and say, why should she have that car? Why should he have that house? I want this house and that car needs to be redistributed. to steal. I want to, this house and that car needs to be redistributed. But a lot of them, we must say, are people who are really offended by disparities, by inequality. Injustice. Injustice. They see it as injustice. Well, injustice is a very different word. Because one thing, and we have to, we who believe in free markets, we have to be honest about the fact that free markets will produce inequalities. Overall, it's better for everybody, right? Free markets, the poor, everybody will live better with free markets.

The price mechanism will distribute goods at the lowest price for everybody. And this country is a prime example of that. In communist Cuba or North Korea, the shelves are empty. When I went to Europe for the first time as a 12-year-old, I finally realized what shelves and stores were for. They were there to carry goods. I had never seen shelves with having any goods in my life for the first 12 years of my life. The shelves were empty always because communism produces penury and misery. But capitalism, free markets produce inequality. Why?

Because the system is set up so if you produce a better mousetrap, you're going to be rewarded. You're going to do better than the guy with the lesser mousetrap. You're going to be rewarded. You're going to do better than the guy with the lesser mousetrap. You're going to have a better house and a better car. And that deeply offends a lot of people. I know that us who hate communism don't want to hear that, but we have to know who our enemies are. And I think some of them at least are motivated by this. We'll have more of this conversation after this. I don't have any knees. The score bet. Trusted sports content. Seamless sports betting. Download today.

19 plus Ontario only. If you have questions or concerns about your gambling or the gambling of someone close to you, please go to ConnexOntario.ca. Right. But the tradeoff for, you know, getting this equality is tyranny. It's an abolishment of your private life, because ultimately, in order to do what the Marxists and the communists want to do, they have to control everything all the way down to your thoughts, which is what troubles me about what we're seeing in our school system and how we're normalizing this for children. So, I mean, you see, Sean, I've been talking a lot as we saw these videos of the way pride is celebrated like a religion. I think people don't understand that Marxism is like a gospel. I mean, Lenin admits that he saw it as his religion. I mean, he was dogmatic about Marxism and wanted to get rid of anybody who had a different point of view.

And that is sort of part of the ideology where you can't talk about God or see a Bible in a school, but somehow sexual perversions and books that are pornographic and discussions about genders and transitioning and things that no second grader should ever have to think about is being done in our schools. We're seeing the thought control that we see today is a result of this. This has always been. Marx himself talked about despotic inroads. He realized that when you took people's stuff away, they were not going to like it. They were going to rebel. And Marx said, we're going to have to have despotism.

Lenin spoke about state terror, the need for state terror. All of them understood that you needed to have not just speech control, but thought control. And that's what we're seeing today. You cannot, you know, we see this, you know, the Southern Poverty Law Center, a despicable group just labeled to a bunch of parental rights groups, including Moms for Liberty and Parents Defending Ed, hate groups because they had the audacity to stand up to this orthodoxy. hate groups because they had the audacity to stand up to this orthodoxy. We're in a real fight here, those of us who want to remain free. We're in a real fight of ideas. And the other side, as evidenced by those bottom dwellers at SPLC, they will stop at nothing to try to control us.

This is a result of Marxism. And let me again repeat for the audience, Derrick Bell, the architect of critical race theory, hated capitalism, thought that capitalism equated racism. Duncan Kennedy, the architect of critical legal studies, wrote an entire essay on Gramsci, adored Gramsci. Kipberley Crenshaw, who gave, who invented the name critical race theory, said that what we needed to do here was implant the model, the Gramscian model. All of them, Cheryl Williams, which they all, they all dislike capitalism and most of them praise Gramsci and many of them praise Marx. Go back and read them. If you don't want to believe it from me, Google them. So Mike, I look at critical race theory, LGBTQ movement, you know, pushing it into

the space of kids. Global warming, I think is another movement that they've used to separate and control people. You said we're in a real fight. And I believe you 100%. It's freaking me out. And a lot of people, I think, let these Marxists slide into all these spaces in culture. And we never fought back. And now you see it's, I mean, the deep state is almost all lefties. Technology is all lefty, Hollywood, media, business elites, the biggest businesses in the country that are supposed to believe in capitalism are buying into these Marxist ideas that are schools K through 12 and all the higher ed. It almost seems daunting as an American-loving, capitalist-loving American, to see how we fight back.

How can we win as a community and as a culture to beat these lefties? Because I think one of the problems is no one's identified it. No one said, hey, listen, this is not about gay. This is not about minority. This is not about the globe. This is about Marxism.

That's not, that connection's not made. Well, I'm writing a book with the great Catherine Gorka, and the book is going to come out early next year called Next Gen Marxism. We're going to connect all the dots. But how do we fight? We are fighting it, Sean. And the way we fight it is what you and Rachel are doing.

You two are happy warriors. We need happy warriors. Chris Ruffo is so successful because he's a happy warrior. And we have to understand that this is just a little division of labor. And I'm quoting, so whether it's climate or sex or race, it's a little division of labor. And that's what Eric Mann, the communist who recruited Patrice Coulouris, one of the main founders of Black Lives Matter, Eric Mann recruits her. This is his word. He writes in a book in 2011, two years before the creation of Black Lives Matter. He said, I'd recruited this great organizer called Patrice Coulouris at the age of 17, and I've been grooming her as a revolutionary for 10 years.

And what he says in an interview in 2015 is whether it's climate, whether it's sex, whether it's race, that's just a little division of labor we all have, we communists have, we Marxists have. What we aim to do is dismantle the racist state of America, the settler state, the white supremacist state of the United States. That's their aim. They say it very clearly as the great David Horowitz, who used to be a Marxist before he got tired of the carnage. He used to say, he used to quote somebody in the sixties going around saying, the issue

is never the issue, the issue is never the issue. The issue is the revolution. So this is why you have Greta Thunberg now coming out and saying, yeah, I want to dismantle capitalism. I am fighting against capitalism. The Marxist president of Columbia, whom our State Department is coddling and our White House, Juan Gonzalez, are coddling. I'm talking about Gustavo Petro. he just went to Stanford a couple of months ago

and he gave a speech and he said, we have to organize against capital. We have to, as a world, we have to organize against capital. These are, and his meaning, he was talking about climate. They think that along with creating inequality, capitalism uses resources because capitalism is good at producing stuff. In a sense, it's true that socialism, it doesn't use as many resources because they're very bad at producing stuff. They don't produce bread, they produce bread lines.

So they use this hysteria over climate as a cudgel to try to destroy capitalism too. We have to see through that. As I say to your former colleagues in Congress, Sean, it's not about sex. It's not about race. It's not about climate. It's about transforming America. It's about central planning. It's about collectivist thinking.

It's about getting rid of the individual. This is what we're fighting. You know, I am not opposed to adults having fights, ideological, political fights. You know, I even will acknowledge when the adult Marxists that we're fighting against are winning politically, culturally. I can concede that they're doing better than we are in many ways. I think for me and for a lot of other people, even people who are not as political as Sean and I, the line has been crossed with the kids. And when we see drag shows for children, when we see, and lewd, I mean, it's not like they're doing a Halloween costume thing, a man dressed like a woman. They are doing a lewd act, asking children to put money in their thongs, weird stuff. Again, this stuff in the school, I think

for me, it was such an eye-opener when I started reading about it and also having conversations with you about the fact that over a hundred years ago, the Marxists were trying to sexualize children in order to A, separate them from their parents and their Christian traditional values. B, of course, the ultimate goal of breaking down the family. But three, also, if you sexually confuse and sort of create angry, confused future adults, those are better radicals and revolutionaries. So all of this, they're willing to destroy the lives of children and destroy families,

which are, as you say, the foundation of our society, in order to create activists and hasten this Marxist revolution. and hasten this Marxist revolution. You know, Alexandra Kollontai, the Lenin's culture, Minister of Education in 1917, the children belong to the state. Fast forward to Youngkin's election.

He had the good fortune to run against the worst candidate ever who said the same thing. Parents have to get out of education. Biden said it too. Right, exactly. So no, it doesn't change. They think that children belong to the state. The SPLC, one of the reasons why they went after Moms for Liberty is that they wear t-shirts that say, I don't co-parent with the government. Dad, my God, it's a sign that you're a hater. The fact that you say, I don't co-parent with the government. Parents are awake. Americans have awakened to this. They're fighting back.

We're living in very good times in the sense that they're very scared. They're very scared that they're going to lose. You really believe that, Mike? Oh, I do believe that. In fact, I quote them. Kimberly Crenshaw said that about two months ago. Ibram X. Kennedy said that. Robin DiAngelo said that. They are all complaining and crying in their latte that they thought they had the country, these riots, the BLM riots of 2020 were going to really lead to the transformation they

lost after. And it's true that the leaders of our elite institutions surrendered in 2020 and accepted the falsehood that we live in systemic racism and oppression. And if you believe that, then the only thing to do is to change the entire system. But then the American people woke up, the American giants woke up and said, no, I love my children. You're not going to use my children as cannon fodder. No, I love my place of work. No, you're not going to use my office to fight your little battles and to have your Maoist struggle sessions. And no, I love my country. And you're not going to change it and change its entire system

because you want to have central planning and collectivism. So I think that we're in a real, now it's a real fair fight, I believe. And now I think that, look at what's happened in Florida. Look at the wonderful work that the Florida legislature did and the governor there.

Look at what they're trying to do in Ohio. Look what they're doing in Texas. This time it's state by state. God knows there's nothing you can do with the federal government right now except pass a couple of good laws in the House. But bills, really, are they going to be signed into law? Not, you know, the chances are not great. So the fight now is state by state. And these state by state fights are good.

They're going our way. And Mike, so I, first of all, having served in Congress and then having been out, I understand the mindset of members of Congress. There can be this group think. As a whole, I don't think members of Congress fully understand the fight that we're in against Marxism. And if they did, I think they would fight a little bit harder, number one. Number two, I do think it's challenging.

You know, we as adults can understand what these institutions are doing to our children, right? They use my tax dollars to indoctrinate my kids not to love America, but to be new little Marxists, which is outrageous. And even when you are in Florida or in Texas or other states that are giving vouchers or outlawing this sexualization of children the way through, they'll teach their global warming. And even the teachers that go into second, third, fourth, seventh grade, those teachers are indoctrinated in the teachers' colleges. And so even if we have a great school board and a great governor, those woke little teachers come in and pollute the minds of our kids. And I say that not to be negative, Nelly, but sometimes I am, Mike, and it's frustrating. I say it to recognize the fight that we're in.

And even if you think your kids are protected, they very well may not be. Even if you're in a conservative community, your kids may not be safe. Make sure we understand who the teachers are, who the principals are. And if it doesn't fit your values, you got to get them out. You got to get them to a classical education, get them away from the indoctrinators. Sean, the fight is not over. The fight has only begun. You're a hundred percent right to call out the schools of ed. The schools of ed, to call out the schools of ed. The schools of ed, it's the hothouse where this is happening.

The textbook that is most often used in schools of education, that is the part of the university where teachers are educated, is Paulo Freire's Critical Pedagogy. Critical Pedagogy, it's just critical race theory applied to education. Paulo Freire was a Maoist, a Brazilian Maoist. And the fact that his book, Critical Pedagogy, is the textbook most used in the schools of ed should give us all worry. We need to fight that at the core. But I think the right steps are being taken.

People are being really smart now. Look what Florida did with the accreditation, the accreditation of schools. We have to bring competition back into the accreditation process. We need to bring back, as you said, Sean, you touched on all the right buttons, the great books, classical education, but people are aware of this now. Elections for school boards, which used to be sleepy affairs, I was just driving through Pennsylvania three weeks ago, and I was listening to NPR, and they were sounding eleagic, downright nostalgic about the days when nobody cared about elections for school boards. And now, oh my God, they're competitive and they're mayhem and they're chaos. No, this is good.

The American people are running for elected office for school boards and for local boards. Look what happened in Ottawa County, Michigan, where people threw out the woke, supposedly Republican, old city board that was there and replaced it with nine people who understand what is happening. So I think you see this happening. It's like the committees of correspondence during the Revolutionary War that emerged in Virginia, in Massachusetts, in Pennsylvania, in North Carolina. It's happening. I believe that it is happening. And that's the reason why the other side is panicking and the SPLC is doing what it's

doing. Well, you give us a lot of hope. I agree that the situation has gotten to a critical mass to the point where people are going, what is happening? And yeah, you're right. There has been some change. I think there needs to be more education. I think a lot of people think the sexualization happening is just, you know, the sexual revolution filtering down to kids. I think it's as you have so beautifully laid out for us today has very deep, deep roots in Marxism. It's part of the plan. We need to be aware of it. We need to fight back. Sean and I are big fans of while we're proud of and happy for all those people that are running for school board and transforming those boards. We're at the point where we're like, we just want to save our own kids at this point.

We tell everybody, take them out of those government schools. If you can, put them into a good classical Christian school. Enlist your family, your grandparents, whoever to help you afford it. It's worth it better than an inheritance at the end. So we have a lot to say about this. You have been instrumental in this education of our whole country. Tying it all together. Tying it together. Exactly. And showing this isn't just some, you know, modern thing that's happening. This has been a well-thought-out, well-planned takeover of our country. And as you said, we were sleeping giants.

We are slowly awakening, not fast enough, not doing enough, but moving in the right direction. And that is hopeful. not doing enough, but moving in the right direction. And that is hopeful. And I do appreciate you for pointing that out and not letting me and Sean be so poopy over here and negative about it. It feels as parents that it feels insurmountable, but information is power. I thank you for what you do. Thank you for bringing me on. You're very good at what you do. And one needs to be awake to the immense challenge that this is, but we need to be, and you're happy warriors, by the way. We need to be happy warriors in this. And we need to know, we have truth on our side. We have eternal truth on our side and truth will out. If we keep fighting,

if we get up off the floor, we will win. Mike, I love it. So we have to be awake. So now we're the team of wogsters. We're awake and we hope. We're the nouveau wogsters. Mike Gonzalez, heritage.org. Thank you for joining us.

Thanks for sharing your insight and wisdom and knowledge on this important topic. And you two keep up the fight. And heritage is always at the forefront of all of these battles. We appreciate that. A great organization. Come back and see us, especially when that new book comes out. And for those of you who haven't seen or read any of Mike's stuff, especially the last book on BLM, it's amazing.

Be sure to get that. Right here, BLM, the making of a new Marxist revolution. Thank you, guys. You are ahead of the curve on that whole BLM thing. I tell you. Thanks. Mike Gonzalez. Thank you. Thank you. We'll have more of this conversation after this. dining reservations by adding your Visa Infinite Privilege Card to your OpenTable account. From there, you'll unlock first-come, first-served spots at select top restaurants when booking through OpenTable. Learn more at OpenTable.ca forward slash Visa Dining. That was a great conversation with Mike, kind of laying out those roots of some issues that we see in culture that don't make any

sense. It goes back to Marxism. And again, we've just been putting these pieces together. There was a lot of confusion and now it's starting to make sense. And such a smart guy and well thought out and well read. It's interesting to ask the question, do the corporations who are making decisions in this cultural Marxism that Mike laid out, are they understanding that? Or is this just sort of like a way to make a quick buck? And it's part of the whole ESG model. I thought it'd be great to bring in Tim Kramer. He's an advertising executive with Mosaic Advertising. Help us understand, Tim, why these corporations would make decisions that are so bad for the shareholders in the bottom line. nothing to do with shareholders. It has nothing to do with money. They don't care. It's an ideology. They are doing this at all costs. They've got this narrow window to be able to do it. And so what we've seen over the last two years in particular, but since 2009, this has been going

on. And in the last seven, eight years, it's really ramped up. When Obama came into office, he said he was going to fundamentally transform our nation. And that's exactly what's happened. We started noticing it in 2009. Wow. So that's when I started noticing it. That's when we started seeing Target and other companies start to weigh in on trans bathrooms before we really even knew there was this trans trend. Very, very interesting. So how much has Target lost so far? To date, I believe that Target is down 13, 14 billion dollars. Bud Light is down 32 billion dollars. These are real. It's not just here's what's so upsetting to me. It isn't their money that they're wasting. It's money of their shareholders. Average everyday Americans that go to work every day, put their nose to the grindstone and do what they're supposed to do. They're losing money on one end. This is what's amazing to me. They're losing money through their 401ks, their IRAs, their investment plans on one end. And on

the other end, they're losing in the culture war because every time they they pick their head up and try to say, hey, listen, there's a problem here. We want to reevaluate what's going on. They're called all kinds of names. And so there's two prices that everybody's paying right now, financial and cultural. But my point is, is that what we've got going on, let me explain how this all started for me, at least, and how my eyes started to open. That started in 2009. We were working with Eli Lilly. We were a vendor of a vendor. So we weren't what they call primary. We were a tertiary vendor for Eli Lilly. And our vendor came to us and say, listen, Eli Lilly is putting through a new program and they're wanting to ensure the hiring practices and so on of their vendors. I go,

well, that's awesome. Yeah. Knock yourself out. Well, and the vendors vendors, I go, what do you mean? Well, you'd have to open your books, show your hiring practices and the people that you want to bring on board and make sure that you have at that point, it was just diversity. It wasn't equity. It wasn't inclusion. It was just diversity. And we made a substantial amount of money from Eli Lilly during that period. And that was a bridge too far for me. I said, I'm not opening up my books to any company, especially a third party entity that I don't have control over things. And so that was the first step in. The second one, it's amazing to me that the second big one was in 2014, our son was going to college at IU.

We go for the orientation. And during the orientation, the lady stands up. And by the way, I use that term loosely, lady, because I don't know if I can call women women anymore. So I'm going to gender her is what I'm going to do. The lady stands up and she says very clearly, hey, guys, we got it. And then she stops herself. She says, I'm sorry, I use the term, guys. I didn't mean to misgender anyone in the room.

Sorry for my faux pas. And I look around and it was like, is this is this clown world? That's when we really start saw it go into full motion was 14. And our clients in 14, people go to our website. We're very clear. We are a conservative advertising agency. We dumped all of our liberal clients beginning in 2009 and we wrapped it all up in 2014 because we saw where this was going, and we wrapped it all up in 2014. Because we saw where this was going. But hey, you saw it so early. So Tim, I look at business and I always thought businesses are here to make a profit.

They want to sell their wares to as many people as possible. And they want to bring in the smartest, best people to work for their organization that are going to help them make all of that money. And they don't care if they're trans, gay, minority. They don't care about any of those things. They care about quality people making profits. That's really changed. And now you see this push and this effort for these corporations to, again, do what you say. We have to make sure we have diversity. We have to have equality. We have to have inclusion. We have to have quotas in people in what classifications we have here. We also have to make sure we're pushing a green agenda within our corporation. And we hear a lot about BlackRock, State Street, Vanguard, the institutional investors that buy up a lot of these companies and have a lot of control

over what happens on the board and with the C-suite leadership. What's driving it? Is it the institutional investors? Is it that, whoa, kids are coming out of great schools and they're bringing these ideas into the corporations? Because it doesn't make any sense to me why a target would say, hey, okay, we like to sell some pride gear, but to go the step further to wear Tuckett swimsuits or to sell Tuckett swimsuits, little baby onesies, that stuff doesn't make sense to me. Where's it coming from? Because it's insane. That's why stuff doesn't make sense to me. Where's it coming from? It's insane. That's why it doesn't make sense. Yes. You lost all your hair over this.

It's insane. Here's the situation. Larry Fink in 2017 made it very clear what was going on. And he told his an audience that if you can't get what you want through law, then you've got to force these initiatives. You've got to force the change in behavior. It's no different than a parent telling a child, if you don't do this, I'll do this. Well, that's what Larry Fink said. And if you're familiar with Larry Fink and what he does on an annual basis, he sends out a letter telling those that he's invested in. These are the new initiatives that we want to push. And every year they get weirder and weirder and weirder. So this is a top-down mentality. There is nobody. You guys work in a large corporation. You don't go do something arbitrarily without finding out from the upper echelon if it's allowed or not.

I worked in large corporations. You don't arbitrarily just go make these decisions. worked in large corporations. You don't arbitrarily just go make these decisions. So for somebody to think, to be moronic enough to think that somebody in the marketing department at Target or Budweiser or somebody is costing the company $11 billion, $12 billion, $30 billion in revenue and market cap to think that that was just done arbitrarily, for lack of a better term, is asinine. It really is. You've got to start looking at it because this is a top-down mentality larry fink is very clear the others as well uh what is it mort and i call them by their first names on a short because i think they're hilarious um they try to be so serious about things but these three corporations or these three entities black rock vanguard and

state street for the last several years have been very clear of what their initiatives are okay you talk about Larry Fink. I didn't even know the names of the other two from Vanguard and State Street. But those three guys, what do they believe in? Why are they pushing this? And is there somebody above them that is getting them to put out these initiatives? We believe that it looks like, from all intents and purposes, it looks like it's all coming from and purposes, it looks like it's

all coming from the WEF and that conglomeration of thinking, that ideology. They've infiltrated these other groups and injected this ideology into our nation across all forms. Here's one of the things that I do. I'm an avid reader of history. And in marketing, you have to know two things, history, what people have done before, what they're capable of doing, and then how to emotionally get them to go and do what you want them to do, because all purchases are made on emotion. Well, that's what we've got going on here, right? The left has created this victimhood class that everybody that aligns with them is a victim. And if you stand against them, then you're the problem. I mean, a great example is look at what the Southern Poverty Law System has just done.

Center. Labeling moms for liberty, defending Ed, and what is it, rights, parents. They've all called them extremists because they're interested in saving their children from this ideology. They put them on the same category and the same level as the KKK and other hate groups. That's where we are in the country. So that, again, it's a top-down mentality. And I liken it to this. They've been given permission to speak freely and tell you exactly what they think. And what they think is they have a right to our children. They have a right to tell us what we can and can't do and how we have to raise our

families. That's what they think they have the right of. And that's dangerous to America. So when I look at a Budweiser, a Target, some others that have gotten blowback, and if you're a BlackRock State Street or Vanguard, you care about returns. They've gotten so much money because they've actually done well with people's money return on investment, which is why conservatives will give them their money, even though they don't fit the conservatives values. If you look at this, what makes it change, right? Does BlackRock notice that, hey, we push this on Target, Target's agreed, but maybe this isn't the best thing for us to push this LGBTQ issue on a target because we're losing money.

Or maybe Bud Light, maybe they shouldn't partner with Dylan Mulvaney. It's not good for our bottom line, the money that we've put into these companies. Is there a recognition, a realization from the Black Rocks and from the Targets and the Budweiser's. No, no, no, no. Damn, you're killing me here. I know. Here's the thing. And this is why it's insane. We started looking at it from a business standpoint. I built a very successful business that got decimated by COVID. I had two years where basically I didn't have anything to do. Our client base was huge into live entertainment,

decimated in 2020. The auto industry, decimated in 2020. The supporting industries of those two, decimated in 2020. Lodging, decimated in 2020. So I had a lot of time. I'm a smart guy. And the one thing that I do and our company has done for a long time is that the reason we're successful is looking at what we call the lowest common denominator. That's how you touch people's souls. That's how you touch their hearts. You talk to them at the lowest common denominator. And what they've done,

what these entities have done is they've decided lowest common denominator, these are the things that we want. And if you read the Klaus Schwab's great recent. Yeah, I have. I keep an eye. It's super loony and hard to read. It is.

But if you read through it, they justify in the preface of the book, he justifies that this has happened. The Great Resets have happened many times before, and they always do the exact same process. They create a victim. They create a class to go against. process. They create a victim. They create a class to go against. If you look at it and when you start to realize it, again, lowest common denominator, it's the same thing that happened throughout Western Europe in the 1930s. They decided this is a group of people we can attack. It's justifiable to do it. You can speak out as loudly as you want, and there's nothing that you can do to or against them that will be a crime. But if they speak up, if they if they push back, they're the criminal.

That's what we're seeing here. Of course, it is what we're seeing. But let's go. Let's go back. OK, we see Target is being controlled by BlackRock. BlackRock is run by Larry Fink. Larry Fink is being told what to do or is somehow influenced. Yeah, has the influence of this Klaus Schwab.

And Klaus Schwab is who and what does he believe in? Well, that's what's interesting, because when you get into who Klaus Schwab is, it's very muddy, but it leads back again to the 1930s in Germany. Yes. I mean, when Klaus Schwab first came on the picture, I'm a funny guy. I used to be in a morning show years ago in broadcasting. Yes. I mean, when Klaus Schwab first came on the picture, I'm a funny guy. I

used to be in a morning show years ago in broadcasting. And I think funny. That's the way I think. I try to find the humor in everything. And the moment that I saw Klaus Schwab walk out in his Star Trek uniform with that accent, I said, he's a James Bond villain. They couldn't have cast this any better than they have. And that right there, that image should have been enough for people, but it wasn't. And so when we look at what they're doing, and I think this is important to do, you have to look at the lowest common denominator. If they say, for example, if you're trying to protect your child, you're a problem, but it's okay for us to allow grown men to act out sexual acts in front of your child.

That's not a problem. That's their ideology. Now, wrap your head around that. How are you going to change that? The people, they make you the oppressor. If you say, I don't want my child to be taught this, or I don't want my child to, well, it's even worse. I think this will hit home with you guys hardest. Did you hear what happened yesterday in Pennsylvania? A minister was arrested on the street reciting scripture as a counter-protest to a gay pride event in Pennsylvania. Not Russia, not China, Pennsylvania. And that's where we're at in this country. That is, again, now think about that.

They've been given permission to act how they really want. And this is what Americans are doing to other Americans. rage of what's happening because their fear of being demonized and canceled shunned. Right. But there's a lot of quiet things that people can do, right? They can vote with their dollar and nobody knows. I can go to the, uh, to the liquor store and not buy Bud Light. I can buy something else. I can go to Walmart and not target. I can make decisions that I quietly quit the brands that I don't like, and I don't have to be public about it. So, I mean, you're an ad guy. You look at markets. Do more people have to vote with their dollar? There have to be more campaigns to say, you know what? You don't fit my values. I have another

choice. I'm going to go there. Is that how we fight back? Absolutely. Money is the key. Let me explain, and you may not know this, but I've been very influential on social media. I am on my 97th TikTok account. 97. All I talk about are American freedoms, American liberties, and American ideology, the American dream. That's all I talk about. I don't dance. I don't show skin. American ideology, the American dream. That's all I talk about. I don't dance. I don't show skin. I don't do any of the stuff that we do pranks and almost lose your life. Yeah. Don't do any of that stuff. Right. I just talk about I get it. I'll give you an example. A piece that got taken down by TikTok. And I'll get to a point on this because it's important to understand what I'm talking about here. It's quiet quitting, but it's quiet advocacy as well. I'm not going to stop

doing what I'm doing on TikTok. I will create account after account until they figure out a way to silence me. But one of the things that we hear all the time is that America was founded by a bunch of old white guys. Now, I like destroying narratives. So I went to go look and see if that was true. It's not. The average age of our founding fathers was 44 years old. Betsy Ross was 23 years old. The people that we talk about on a daily basis in history were young men and women who had a longing for freedom in their hearts. That's what our found.

That's the foundation of our country. That video was taken down for misinformation and disinformation. Really? Yeah. Currently, and this is what's interesting, I've had over 11 billion views on TikTok and other social media platforms. I'm one of the most unknown names that you've ever seen, but I've got a huge following. And the reason is because I speak truth to power. When I lost my business, and when I say lost my business,

we just restructured. I just moved into different areas. So all the companies that we'd worked with, I say lost my business, we just restructured. I just moved into different areas. So all the companies that we'd worked with, 45 different entities that were retainer clients gone in two days, all of them. When that happened, I told my wife, because we're financially set, I can make a move. What am I going to do? And so I've got a great voice. I know how to put a narrative together. I know how to tell a story. So I just went to TikTok. And the very first video that I created was one about the marketing that was happening at the time with Land O'Lakes Butter and Aunt Jemima and Uncle Ben's Rice, where they were taking all these faces of color off of these packages. Well, everybody in the advertising industry knew that it had nothing to do with race. It had nothing to do with equality. It had nothing

to do with equity. It had everything to do with brand awareness. The millennials and Gen Z do not buy these products. They're grandma and grandpa's products. Yeah. To introduce them to a new market. And that's how they did it. They did it through race. And we said it was disgusting. Well, that that video went to a billion views on its own. And that kind of launched what I was doing. So I didn't I wasn't playing with social media all that much. But I started going through and just telling truths, based truths on what's going on. We started reporting on what was going on with Corona. We did the vaccines. We walked through the whole process. Here's what's interesting. Three years in, I have yet to be corrected. Everything that we were reporting on was a hundred percent factual. The way that I'm protesting is by

telling truth and speaking truth to power. I had a attack in 2016. I died later that year. I had an operation on my shoulder. I coded on the table. There's a reason I'm here. I feel that in my heart. So that's why two years ago, nobody knew who I was. And here we are three years later, and I'm talking to you guys. The message is permeating. Americans have to do exactly what you're talking about. And here we are three years later, and I'm talking to you guys. The message is permeating. Americans have to do exactly what you're talking about. And I believe it has to start with our churches. Yeah, no, listen, I agree with you a hundred percent. And by the way, when you were talking about the guy telling scripture and you couldn't believe that he was arrested in Pennsylvania during COVID was when I first realized I call it the China vacation of America.

I received communion in secret like I was a Chinese citizen or a first century Christian because the churches were closed and there was only one brave God bless priest who had a secret mass where we kind of all figured out where to go we could get communion i want to tell you something as you're talking about truth here's the truth people aren't going from bud light to cores i'm seeing and i read this this morning modelo especial a mexican beer right yep um is now the number one selling beer in America. Well, there's a lot of us Latinos. It must be that Hispanics don't like Bud Light now. Exactly. Yep.

Talk to me about what you see in that number. Let me just say it says sales top 33 million in May, a 15% rise on the same periods last year as Bud Light sales fall 297 million since they brought in Dylan Mulvaney and that whole thing. Well, keep in mind, Americans have gotten smart about this. They're starting to do their research and it's not just Bud Light, it's Anheuser-Busch as a whole. So all of those brands have suffered catastrophically over the last several weeks. I expect it to continue to happen primarily because Americans are tired of being told who they are. We wake up in the morning.

There's no meeting that we go to that we're trying to oppress or hold someone down. Well, then it's microaggression or it's unconscious. You don't even know you're doing it. Okay, well, if I don't know I'm doing it, how can it be fixed? And if you can't recognize it in front of me, if you can't tell me right then and there what I've done, then it's not a microaggression. It's not a crime against you. Everybody wants to be a victim these days. I call it the business of victimhood. Everybody, there's money to be made in being a victim and there's money to be made in being virtuous. I'm the most virtuous person of all. Look at me. Praise me for what I'm doing for these kids and so on. Yesterday, in the hearing yesterday, Becca Ballant, a representative out of Vermont, went off and was screaming at the people on the other side of the table because they want to protect children.

And she said that, well, you're trying to land blast ESG because of all these other things. Right. And well, we're just trying to protect children. And what I think is amazing is that when you're trying to protect children against a permanent, these beta blockers, not the beta blockers, the puberty blockers, these operations, they're permanent. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I can't. It's permanent.

It will never you can't reverse that. And I would hate to think that my 13 year old son, when he was 13, he's 33 now. So 20 years ago, if he'd come to me and said, Dad, I think I'm a girl. I want it all chopped off and I want things added on. I want to be, you know, a build your own person, basically. If I had done that, think about that. And then he realizes, nope, I made a mistake. I was wrong.

Oh, there's a ton. There's a ton of lesbian women I know who say, I was a tomboy, but I'm still a girl, even if I'm a lesbian. boy, but I'm still a girl, even if I'm a lesbian, or even girls who have grown out of tomboy phases and end up marrying men and having children. There have been transitions today. They would have been transitioned. They say, thank God I was a tomboy, you know, in the 80s and 90s and not right now. Let's ask Tim about a favorite topic that we have that has to do with Target. Yeah. So this is interesting. We brought up the topic of a wholesome brand, Magnolia, in Target. What do you know?

You're an ad executive. I'd love to get your view because. This is Chip and Joanne Gaines. Chip and Joanne Gaines. We have been asking, why haven't they been more vocal? I mean, their products are now, whether they like it or not, in some way associated with this trans Satanist who put out this line of pride gear. We've been discussing this a lot, Tim and Sean. Often I'm a little bit of a defender of them because I like them and I want them to do the right thing. And I I want them to save their their brand and their name.

I want them to do the right thing and I want them to save their brand and their name. Sean is really quick to note that they actually, you know, had this relationship with Target back when you said Target started to make these moves in the post Obama era. So talk to me what you think. Break it down for me. What's happening with them? What should they do, et cetera? Chip and Joanne, let me put it this way. You have to act your heart. That's what you have to do. And if in your heart, you don't see the need to act, well, you're not going to act. If they feel that need in their heart,

the first thing they've got to do is come out and make a statement how they disagree with what's going on. I don't think that will happen. I've been in this business long enough. There's very few people with backbone or spine. Before I owned an advertising agency, I started that 25 years ago. But before that, I was in radio for a number of years. I was a morning guy. I did afternoons. And what I started to see happen is that the louder you became about certain social issues, the slower your career grew. And that's why I basically left radio. In saying that, in doing that,

what I realized was there's a bunch of people that stayed behind that said they felt the exact same way that I did, but the paycheck was too good. When you're making $700,000 a year doing morning radio, you're going to keep doing your morning radio. And what I expect is the gains are making a lot more than $700,000.

Sean says they're in private plan money. Right. So what I would suggest, and here's the thing, you hit it on it earlier, Sean, is the way that America stops this is to stop going along with it. and so on, I've talked relentlessly about nothing has changed with the people that we're dealing with today that were the same people that we dealt with in seventh, eighth grade on the playground. They have not changed. The bully is still the bully. The mean girl is still the mean girl. The nerd is still the nerd. Those people did not change. So to expect that they're going to change throughout life is being a little bit naive. So the way that I liken it is that what you have to do is you have to treat these people

as the bullies, the mean girls that they are, and not abide by the rules they're putting in place. So if Joanna and her husband decide not to come out and speak out, then what they've done is they've continued

to allow the lie to be told. Do you think their sales are being hurt? Absolutely. I hope so. I hope so too. By the way, just you mentioned about the back in school, nothing's changed. It actually has changed. The nerd is now the bully. The nerds are bullying

all of us. Yeah. Get away from them. And the reason I, the reason I, you know, I think a lot of really unstable adults are running our world. Like people who are mentally unstable, not, not in the right minds are running our schools are running so I mean look at the agencies in government what was his position in the government the one that was stealing all the luggage Sam Britton

psycho and in our health department Rachel Levine I don't think this woman is healthy and God knows she should not he should not be giving any kind of medical advice about transitioning to children. Let's look how bad the system is. And he is. Well, everybody looks at D.C. as being the swamp, the swamp, the swamp.

But the swamp is everywhere around us. Our system is corrupt from top to bottom. We just learned that with the sheriff out in Colorado, was it? Where he was wanting to, he was talking about murdering a journalist and burying it in a hole that he didn't have, he didn't like what the journalist was, the questions he was being asked. And everybody there with him, keep in mind, he's the bully, right?

He's the sheriff. Everybody else in the secret meeting that was recorded went along with him. And nobody said, hey, you shouldn't probably talk like that. You probably shouldn't do that. They all agreed with him. And that's why I keep telling the American people in my podcast and so on, the moment that you stop agreeing with the bullying, the moment, well, I might get beat up. You might get beat up, but you're going to get other people along with you. And that's what we're seeing. We're starting to see people starting to say,

hey, that isn't right. That's not the way that America is supposed to be. What we've allowed is we've allowed, and this is insane. I'm going to jump around here for a moment. But a few years ago, probably 20 years ago, a big story was Bill Gates and monopoly with Microsoft, if you remember that story. Okay. When's the last time that we heard any case in this country about a monopoly? Long time. Haven't. We haven't. And why is that? Well, because they don't need monopolies anymore. Why do you need a monopoly when you can just have control of 95% of the S&P 500 and tell the American people to do anything you want them to do?

That's where we are. Yeah. What Larry Fink does. Through ESG and everything else. You know, you bring up such great points. And I think the most important is that we need more courage and you have courage. I have always been very impressed with the way you have just said what you think. And I do think that it inspires other people. It's inspired us.

And I also appreciate your background in advertising and your ability to really get to the heart of it. And I think you're right. It goes right through BlackRock and Vanguard and State Street to the WEF to Klaus and all the way back to the 30s with Marxism. This is a cultural Marxist revolution we're living through. And very few people speak out in the middle of those. You are one of them. We're proud to have you on the show. Let our listeners know about your own podcast. Tell us where they can find you. Well, you can find me everywhere. If you search Kramer says it's C-R-A-M-E-R-S-E-Z. That's a handle I started using about three years ago. It was a joke. It was not meant to be anything that it is today. But I think that it's important for people to start looking out for voices that speak

the way that they hear, for lack of a better term. We have, for example, on Twitter, we're seeing an explosion of people now speaking their minds because they think that they have a home to do that on. Let's see how long that lasts. And then you can find me on all social media platforms, except for TikTok right now. I don't have a home to do that on. Let's see how long that lasts. And then you can find me on all social media platforms, except for TikTok right now. I don't have a new TikTok account. I haven't created one, but here's what I'm going to do. I have a feeling the Chinese won't like you anyway. Don't. Let me give you an example of exactly what I mean by that. My name,

those nine letters, Kramer says, C-R-A-M-E-R-S-E-Z. You cannot use those on that platform. Now, knowing what I know about computer programming and app development, that is something that is in the core of that app. There's a server. Somebody went into that server and changed that. If you try to type my name in and use it as a username without interrupting with anything, you can't do it. Yeah. You're on the Chinese list. I suspect along with me, you're on a few FBI lists as well. Wear it as a badge of honor. Good list to be on. Listen, Tim, thank you for joining us. Thank you for having courage and standing up and inspiring others. I think courage by some inspires others to have courage as well. And that's how movements start. You have done that and been an outspoken

voice. And we thank you for that. And thanks for joining us at the kitchen table. Thank you so much for having me. You got it. Thanks, Tim. Thanks, Tim. Listen, Rachel, fascinating conversation. Two great guests laying out the history of where this wokeism comes from. What's their end goal? Where do they want to bring us? We're on a journey. A lot of us don't know where we're going. Well, we're going back to the future, back to the past.

We're going to a place that has always failed, that never given more freedom, never given more economic opportunity, never more wealth, always more despair and more food lines together. And I think Tim brings up good points as well about there is a way to fight back. There is a way to use your dollar, which, by the way, I've tried to do that for some time. We go, listen, we need to vote with our money.

We can do it quietly. We can do things loudly like you do on the weekend and speak your mind. But quietly, we can vote with our money. No, I think that's a great point. And these guests didn't know each other. No. And didn't know what we didn't know where they were all going to go. They all came to the same point.

They all go back to Marxism. And again, you brought up such a great point early on that people get confused because they think of Marxism only in economic terms. What they don't realize is that Karl Marx was a theologian, that Karl Marx had a whole sort of revolutionary idea of how we should basically start anew. And that didn't work, the economic way of getting there didn't work in the United States. And that's when critical race theory and so many of these other ideologies spawned in the 60s, 70s and 80s, all the way down to critical race theory, which, as we learned today, started in your home state of Wisconsin. All of these are means to get

to this end, which is Marxism, which is, you know, in the Chinese form, it's Chinese capitalism. The way it will manifest itself and the way it is manifesting itself in the United States is through these elites who control everything. You do what they want you to do. You will own nothing and be happy. They will control. They're the smart ones. And we will continue to lose not just our freedom and our liberty, but even that sense of privacy, the privacy of our thoughts, the privacy of our families, they're trying to intrude on all of that. And that's what's at stake. So here's what I find interesting. You mentioned Twitter, right? So we've had social media companies, very woke, very liberal, very progressive, and they have been shutting down conversations, shutting down dialogue, shutting down the opinions, or canceling the opinions of the American people. And a lot of Americans have recoiled. They haven't engaged. Or those who want to criticize conservatives or people with common sense that want to just protect their families have been roundly criticized on these platforms.

Well, now Elon Musk buys Twitter. And now all of a sudden, it's a platform where you're starting to see all of these views shared on this platform. And all of a sudden, a lot of conservatives or someone who doesn't believe in the woke agenda is like, wow, there's a lot of people who actually agree with me. You would have never had a Bud Light boycott

or a Target boycott because they couldn't have been organized. Again, the media has done some, but I think Twitter has been a big part of this. And those boycotts would have been removed as hate speech before Elon Musk. Before Elon Musk, we only imagined that they were censoring and then we got to see inside. Oh, yes, they are censoring. And then we got to see inside. Oh, yes, they are censoring. They absolutely were. And not just censoring as a company, but coordinating with U.S. intelligence agencies to do it. This has been so bad. It has an effect on our foreign policy, has effect on domestic policy, and it's affecting our day to day life.

So, you know, I'm not I don't know what to make of Elon Musk. I, there's things I like, things I don't, but I am grateful for him liberating Twitter and our public square, because as both of these guests said, as we wrap this up, information is power, sharing that information, acting on it, whether it's, you know, saying it out loud the way you and I do it or quietly boycotting or taking your kids out of school. But understanding what these people are doing, what the roots are, who the people are at the WEF and all these and all these other players is going to be important for everybody. You can't beat them unless you understand the game that they're playing. Yes. And if you think it's just about race, if you think it's just about sex, if you think it's just about the environment, you're not understanding what they're doing. But once you kind of come up to 30,000 feet and go, oh, these are tools that they're using to transition America to a Marxist state, then you go, oh, okay, now I get it and now I can fight it.

And that's why this conversation, I think, was so powerful. We had great guests and I appreciate them both for joining us at The Kitchen Table. I want to thank you for joining us at Our Kitchen Table, participating in this conversation.

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