From the Kitchen Table: The Duffys - The Problem with OnlyFans Moms & Conspiracy Theories Proven True?

Episode Date: February 16, 2024

Recently, there have been reports of moms making explicit content on OnlyFans, but why do they continue to do it when their children are facing extreme fallout as a direct result of their actions? And is it true that former President Barack Obama was spying on former President Trump- even though the idea was thrown away as a conspiracy? Sean and Rachel sit down at the kitchen table to discuss the moral inconsistencies that come with OnlyFans and motherhood, new evidence that could prove President Obama wasn't as innocent as he was given credit for, and so much more! Follow Sean & Rachel on Twitter: @SeanDuffyWI & @RCamposDuffy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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slash rightsizedsavings for full details. Hey, everyone. Welcome to From the Kitchen Table. I'm Sean Duffy, along with my co-host for this podcast. She's also my partner in life. She's my co-host for every podcast, I guess. Do you have anybody else coming in here? It's so good to be back at the kitchen table. We have two really fascinating topics today. So we're going to talk about another conspiracy theory, Sean, that came true. This one, remember when Donald Trump said, Obama's spying on me. He's using, you know, the CIA and the FBI, and they're all spying on me and they're spying on Trump Tower. And everyone said he was crazy. Well, it turned out to be true. We're going to talk about that bombshell report and if anything will happen as a result of it. No doubt. We'll unpack it for you.

We're going to unpack that for you. Very important, big political story, but here's another cultural story. And I think it's an interesting story in and of itself. I think it says a lot. There's a lot deeper in this culturally for us. And that is a Florida mom.

Her name is Michelle Klein. She's 35 years old. She has a side business with her husband. Um, and the side businesses that they, um, here's what she says. My husband and I have a wild behind closed doors lifestyle style that we've decided to share. So they have an only fans, uh, page or site. And they, she advertises this X rated and she admits it is absolutely X-rated. It's not soft porn. It's X-rated.

She advertises it on the back of her car, like a big decal. And this is the car that she drives her kids to Liberty Christian Preparatory. So she sends them to a Christian school in Florida, drops them off. And the school is now upset about it and says, you can't use that car. You can't use, you can't drop the kids off in front of the school. You have to park your car across the street. So, um, by the way, her name again is Michelle Klein. She goes by Piper Fon. That's her like pseudo, pseudo, her porn name. Right. And she's's been actually her complaint is look i've been driving my car for two years to the school dropping my kids off with this decal on it and

some nosy mom now two years later is upset and complained to the school and now the school says you have to drop the kids off across the street um she doesn't want to drop the kids or and walk she doesn't want to park across the street and walk the kids off across the street. She doesn't want to drop the kids and walk. She doesn't want to park across the street and walk the kids over to the school because she says this is a dangerous intersection. People have been T-boned there. I don't want to do that. Plus, she's teed off of the fact that she says, I've done this for two years. Why now? Why are you making such a big deal about it? She decided to use this opportunity, Sean, to talk to the media about it, obviously to get more attention for her site. And then the school said, listen, at this point,

they're like, you're the one drawing attention. You're not following the rules that we've set. So we're expelling the kids and you can re-enroll your kids when you take the decal off. And that's where the situation is right now. So she's first off laughing all the way to the bank. A hundred percent. By the way, can I just say this? Five OnlyFans, Just OnlyFans, we're not talking about the entire business. Just OnlyFans is a $5 billion business. She might be making, she probably was making $50,000 a month. She's probably making a hundred thousand now. Well, right. So you've been on the only band,

only fans beat for quite some time. Um, and again, it's, it's an issue where I've been on it, Sean, because more and more moms are choosing, as she says, to, to have a better lifestyle, a more comfortable lifestyle by adding this, um, this little by adding this little side hustle to their life. And I think it's really damaging for kids. I mean, listen, I'm not naive. I know there are people who want to do this kind of stuff. But once you have kids, and now it's next level. I have kids, and I'm going to advertise on the way to the school drop-off.

This is so embarrassing for these kids. It is so damaging. Well, yeah. And I think we've seen some kids commit suicide because they're ridiculed and teased so much in school. Reddit had a threat on that. Because their mom is on OnlyFans. And again, boys, I'm sure, then will try to find and get access to their friend's mom who's actually stripping or doing other things on the site. And so, again, what it does for the child, the money that you get from OnlyFans and the damage that you cause to your child, completely not worth it and completely not looking after your kid. There was a time when if mom went to a strip club, which not a great mom doing that,

but if she went to a strip club, there was a veil between the public and the strip club. And if someone saw the mom in there, it's probably because the dad was going to the strip club and they both kind of have egg on their face. in the strip club and they both kind of have egg on their face this is one however where they're public publicly promoting and and um advertising the fact that they're willing to take their clothes off for money and it can't see it's one other thing we had that remember we had that that that member uh that woman that was running for the house of virginia commons yeah yeah she was running for the house of commons in virginia and her and her husband had a side business as well um doing these x-rated videos you know what's interesting sean is the husband

is part of it and somehow no one talks about him like she is like the only one getting and she should be rightfully shamed i think what she's doing is shameful what she's doing is permanent damage she was on a podcast amy robach and t TJ Holmes have a podcast. She came on and talked about her experience. And she actually said, my kids are fine. The other day I was just, you know, seeing them and they were playing air guitar and they were playing in the house and, you know, everyone thinks they're so traumatized. They're fine. I'm like, lady, boy, you don't, these behavior, the things that are going to come out of this are going to come out later in life. Probably on a couch in some guy's office. She has

no idea, um, the kind of damage that she's doing to her kids. She also said in that podcast that she was a church going girl. Her parents are still very conservative and church going. church-going girl. Her parents are still very conservative and church-going. They don't approve of what her and her husband are doing, especially because they have kids in the house. But that they still love her and they still support her and they are still part of her life. So now the kids have been expelled. So just you said the woman always gets the major blowback. Yeah, I find this all interesting. Listen, she is the star, right?

He's a supporting actor, I'm sure, in the content that's put out, right? And people are not tuning in for the husband. They're tuning in for the wife, right? Which is probably why she gets more. Well, I don't know. I mean, they're both doing a lot of damage and she is getting more blowback. They both deserve blowback. They're both doing something very damaging. But I think what's interesting is how far our culture and society has gone.

Right. There was a time when, yes, there was Playboy and there was Hustler. And yes, then there's content got online. But this is the democratization of porn. It's become so ubiquitous. And that we've now said, listen, if I can make money taking my clothes off, isn't this fantastic? And someone, you know, 20 years ago might be ashamed and not proud of that. Today, they celebrate it. They'll put a decal on the back of their car and go, I'm not going to advertise this to the dads who go to the Christian school where I drop my kids off.

Or the kids. What has happened to a society and a culture when you've fallen so far that we think it's okay now to go, of course, you are empowered by taking your clothes off and making money. You are making money for your family. Good for you. There's no amount of money or lifestyle upgrade that would justify degrading yourself and humiliating your children, which is exactly what this woman and her husband have done. Really quick, the kids are expelled. She's sort of digging her heels in and she's upset about this. She wants

them to go back to that school, but she's really ticked off about this. While the kids are expelled, school, but she's really ticked off about this. While the kids are expelled, she says she's hired tutors and somebody to help out because she actually doesn't do this work at home. She says there's no cameras or lights in her bedroom. She's rented a space that her and her husband go to for their, as she tells her kids, our sexy time. She goes to the studio? Yeah, she goes. That's a disgusting studio, I'm sure. Yeah, she goes. She has rented a space. So here's the thing. You're right, Sean. We have seen with technology, the spread of pornography has just been it is destroying children's lives because while she claims that she's, you know, got a fine line and her kids

aren't seeing it in many ways, of course, she know, got a fine line and her kids aren't seeing it, in many ways, of course, she doesn't know that. But America's kids are getting exposed to this. So she'll say, listen, mine is behind a paywall. You have to pay for it. And that's her excuse for, you know, how she's separating. Obviously, her kids are getting exposed to the idea that it's okay to sell your body, you know, so you can get your nails done and go on vacation.

as opposed to the idea that it's okay to sell your body, you know, so you can get your nails done and go on vacation. But that aside, I think, so first of all, kids now, the average age for seeing pornography has dropped to 10 years old. So the devices, the phones, the ability to get onto Pornhub, which doesn't have a paywall and all these other things are making it so much easier for young kids who are not prepared. The impact on a growing brain, there's growing research on this, the impact on a child's brain of this kind of very explicit graphic sexual material is so damaging. It also, they say, rewires the brain. So in the same way that drugs rewire the brain for like, you know, like kind of that dopamine hit. So it's affecting the natural sort of way that a child progresses, you know, in their own sexuality, their understanding of sexuality,

and the way they interact with the sexes. A lot of people have said that, you know, they're seeing a lot of erectile dysfunction in 20 year olds that they never saw before. And they're attributing it to pornography and the fact that they're getting exposed to it, to it so early and so graphically that so, you know, just a normal sex life is just not enough anymore. And they need, they need pornography in order to perform. So it's having all kinds of impacts. But what intrigues me when you said that I'm on this beat, and I am deeply concerned about what it's doing to kids and their development, but I'm also deeply, deeply concerned about the normalization of it for moms in particular. deeply concerned about the normalization of it for moms in particular. I think it's a new level of danger in what I see as the attack on childhood, the attack on childhood innocence,

the right that you have as a child to be a child as long as possible. And I see no greater attack. I mean, it's one thing, you know, if you gave your kids a phone too early and your kids are curious and they come upon it and boy, that's a bad thing. It's another thing that your own mother is part of your own sexual awareness and your own destruction.

Your mother is participating in the destruction of your childhood innocence, which is your right as a child. This is a new level of rot in our country, Sean. And I am really concerned. So I think every child should want to be proud of their mom and their dad. should want to be proud of their mom and dad and even parents who we might say they weren't the greatest parents the kids are usually proud of them that's where they come from and I think this makes it really hard for kids to be proud of their parents and then it goes to this point of what does it do as you come into adolescence? And the thought of your parents engaging in this behavior, any of us, if you think about your parents, you're like, that's disgusting.

I don't want to think about that. Our kids don't even like when we kiss in front of them. It is thrown in their faces. And so if I just think of ourselves and what, you know, those acts by your own parents, what that then does if that's not just thrown in the child's face, but thrown out into the community of their friends. It is devastating. It's humiliating. Well, actually, Sean, that you bring that up, it's interesting.

One of the kids, so one of her kids is friends she found out um and she told this on the podcast her one of her kids is friends with the child of the mom who reported her to um to the school so there was that sort of you know now what happens to that friendship? You know, obviously. We'll just go. And again, I think we're at only the front of this story. This is going to continue to progress. It's going to continue to grow. I think you're going to see more people get into it. It's almost like, you know, people view crypto as an easy way to get rich fast. I think a lot of people feel like they can get rich fast doing this. I don't know the numbers on this, but I imagine there's a lot of mostly women taking their clothes off and not getting rich. They might make a little extra money, but the stories of people making a hundred thousand dollars a month, multimillionaires, I'm sorry. I don't think

you're wrong. I think people are making a lot of money. There are a lot of women making a lot of money off of them. There's a lot of women not making any money on it and still taking the clothes off. Well, I disagree with that. I think that this industry of this personalized interaction with, you know, you brought up Playboy. So in the past, Playboy was a magazine and guys opened it and they looked at naked ladies. Playboy has had to rework their model of business because OnlyFans was eating away at their profits and they were out in the cold. So now Playmates are not just in pictures anymore. They have set the Playmates up and Playboy to have OnlyFans type interaction. and again, the alienation this is creating between the sexes, because there are going

to be men now who are just become addicted to these fake relationships with these women who are really only there to take your monthly subscription and they're wasting hours away on this kind of fake interaction instead of working on real relationships with real women. I think it is the impact on the culture is, as you said, Sean, it's, this is only the tip of the iceberg. It's going to get worse. And I think that as a culture, we're going to have to, at some point deal with this. I want to give a lot of credit to the parents of Liberty Christian Preparatory. I think there's a lot of people out there who would say, you know what, they try and take a libertarian perspective on this.

It's her business. She's doing it behind closed doors as she tries to say she is. No, what she has now done, every single child in that school knows about OnlyFans because of her. Just in the same way that Bill Clinton, you know, people didn't know, a lot of children didn't know about oral sex until, you know, Bill Clinton introduced that into the national lexicon and little children. And that became a story that you couldn't,

you know, you couldn't put the lid on it. The genie was out the same thing. Now she wants to blame the mom who turned her in, but I guarantee for the last two years, there have been whispers that she has not heard herself that Piper Fawn was not hearing, um, about what she was doing and what was happening. And I believe that what she is doing is child abuse. I think it is child abuse. I don't care if it makes me politically incorrect to say it. She is not being a good mother. She is not looking out for the best interests of her kids.

And I guarantee you the little extra money that she says she supports her family. Shame on her husband. What a gross, weak man that is. That he would not go out and make enough money and instead put his woman to work in this kind of fashion with him. It's gross. It's bad for the family. And we got to wrap our hands around this OnlyFans phenomenon. I think it is more damaging than, I think, old school pornography, which wasn't involving and celebrating the inclusion of mothers in it. So it makes me think back to the good old days of Bill Clinton when it was like, that was scandalous.

But you look back and go, that was child's play. We didn't know where we were going to go. But yeah, I think this is fundamentally changing the way our society works. When you, when you feel like you can have a relationship, um, with someone's page that you subscribe to and I can satisfy my needs with that relationship with, which is fake and false is digital, but with who I think is, you know, my, my, in my own mind, my, my, my partner who I subscribed to her page, all of a sudden my, my desire, my drive, my, I'm built in a way to go

out and find a mate. I'm built to go out and get married. And when you take that drive away because of OnlyFans and the relationship I think I have with one of the performers on the site. No wonder we see marriage at an all-time low. No wonder why we see this divide between men and women. There's a lot of reasons for it. I think this is part of it. I think that men are more conservative. Women are more liberal.

And everyone's on their computers and they're staying at home. Now they're wearing the Apple glasses. AI and these new Apple Pro, what is it? It's called an Apple Pro Eye Vision. It's like a device that you look into. And it's so real. And that is going to affect, that is actually really going to affect, you know, the drive that young men should have to go, as you said, go out and find a mate. They're going to put on these glasses.

They're going to hire these, you know, women who will take a subscription. Or maybe these are even, maybe these ladies are actually going to get put out of a job, Sean, because these are going to be AI generated women who are even more perfect. And, you know, in terms of the visual. And I don't know what we're going into. We had talked about how far we had fallen with Bill Clinton and the oral

sex conversation. We had no idea we would get to here. Where moms are performing for money and devastating their children. I think we'll look back 10 years from now and go, those were the good old days. We're a moral country when only a few moms were doing OnlyFans. I think this story has not been completed or written.

So let's do this. We're going to take a quick break. When we come back, we're going to go into the Schellenberger-Taibbi story on how Barack Obama actually spied on Donald Trump. That's coming up next. Streaming now on Fox Nation. You believe you were sent by God? Yes. An exclusive new series hosted and narrated by Martin Scorsese. These are stories of the saints. Martin Scorsese presents The Saints streaming now on Fox Nation. Go to FoxNation.com and sign up today. All right. Welcome back to the kitchen table.

We're now going to dive into this bombshell report that's been put out by Michael Schellenberger, Matt Taibbi. What they say is the CIA had foreign allies spy on Trump team, triggering Russia collusion hoax. So now what we knew, we kind of suspected this, right? But what we thought was from the Durham report that came out last year, and in the review of the whole Russia hoax story, John Durham said he had concluded that the FBI investigation should have never been opened. And there were some suggestions for reforms at the FBI to make sure this wouldn't happen again. And we thought that was kind of the story. Because the story was that a foreign country said, hey, there's some shady stuff going on, and they informed us. Is that right? Right. So they informed our CIA. So right. So allegedly, one of a UK intelligence officer met

with one of Trump's allies, who was Papadopoulos, Papadopoulos, and had some distributed information and reported it back through his superiors and ended ended up getting to the FBI and the CIA. So worried about Papadopoulos and they launched an investigation. I don't know how that could have happened. Oh, wait. Now we do know how it happened because what we've now learned is, is Barack Obama, along with John Brennan, his CIA director, they couldn't spy on Donald Trump.

They realized that American law say you can't step in and spy on a presidential candidate. So what they did is they said, we're going to use our allies. We're a part of a group called the Five Eyes. It's the US, Canada, the UK, Australia and New Zealand. New Zealand. Yeah. Okay. So they asked our Five Eye partners, we can't spy on Donald Trump.

We want you to. That's what they did is they picked 26 people in the Trump orbit and they tried to bump them. What that means is make contact with them and see if you can get information on them that'll allow you to bring them into your snare or provide misinformation on those people and run it up the chain in their home country and then bring it back to the US CIA and FBI.

And then they can do the spying, right? Absolutely. Illegal, inappropriate. And Matt Taibbi and Schellenberger all said they've now had multiple sources confirm this with them. Now, Donald Trump allegedly had a 10-inch binder with all of this information on how they had spied on him. And allegedly, he declassified it. And the question is, where is this binder? What do we know about the spying of Donald Trump? This is a bombshell story, but it's not the whole story. Because you got to play this out. This all started with Barack Obama and John Brennan deciding to use tools in their toolkit to go to other countries to spy on a presidential candidate who, by the way, Donald Trump and Barack Obama did not get along.

Remember, the whole birther movement was started by Donald Trump. They hated each other. Oh, yeah. And I think Barack Obama couldn't stand the thought of Donald Trump being president. But also he was a disruptor. He had a personal animus towards him, no question about it. And they both hated each other. But also Donald Trump, and we all know this to be true, even more so now than ever, that Donald Trump was the biggest threat and disruption to the globalist plans for America. No doubt. So through the Five Eyes

and the FBI's dossier that they received, they started their Russia collusion hoax. And they continually fed false and misinformation to the press, where for three years, the press reported on Donald Trump, Russia collusion. It was every single hour of every day. Every press conference that was done from the White House were filled with questions about Russia collusion. And Russia collusion, some people might forget, the idea is that Donald Trump won because he was colluding with Russia, with Russia, that he, you know, he got Russia to, you know, spy on Hillary's emails that, you know, he was in Moscow. There was some crazy stories and he was in Moscow and he was with prostitutes and that he was compromised by the Russians. And this this whole there were all kinds of theories that basically he was only there because he was getting help from the Russians.

Donald Trump allegedly had partnered with Russia to win the election, which means then Donald Trump is compromised and is going to be loyal to Russia, not to the American people. That's the premise. So, by the way, going back to 2016, Hillary Clinton actually did have private servers with classified information. If that story comes out, that's relevant for the American people to have that information. But if the CIA is lying about Donald Trump, that's election interference. Correct. They're interfering with the election, putting out false stories that obviously, with their credibility, would appear to be true by the American voter. So let's fast forward.

The story goes on for two, three years, and that leads to one impeachment and then a second impeachment of Donald Trump. So what you actually have is an intelligence coup. Through an impeachment, they're trying to kick out a duly elected president based on false and fabricated facts of a president who didn't do any of the things they said. But so if you kick him out, the intelligence community has led a coup to remove a president and bring in another party to lead the country. Correct. Brings us to the 2020 election.

You have Hunter Biden's laptop and all of a sudden, miraculously, you have 52 former intelligence officers who come and say this has the traditional markings of Russian disinformation. So instead of getting all the information out to the American people, they downplay the laptop, and then they come in and make sure that social media can't share the

story. So they warned big tech, hey, something might be coming down the pike. Then you guys can censor it. So it was censored. And like a majority of Democrats had never even heard about the laptop. So again, this is a story of government working in collusion with big tech to suppress information that would have hurt Joe Biden and probably help Donald Trump. So another sign of election interference. Sean, if Donald Trump...

So we had the Mar-a-Lago raid two summers ago. No, it was last summer. It was last summer. Not this summer, the summer before. Yeah, two summers ago. We had the Mar-a-Lago raid. Did they take the files that Donald Trump declassified? If Donald Trump had declassified that those files, why didn't he disseminate them?

So why was he holding on to them? So there were rumors that when the FBI actually raided Mar-a-Lago, they were looking for that 10 inch binder with all of the information contained with how Barack Obama had illegally spied on Donald Trump and was the epicenter of election interference. Why would, I mean, I get like they document stuff, but if you're Barack Obama and you're going to do something this illegal, why would you even have this documented? Well, I don't think Barack Obama, you're going to have to have documents about the correspondence that you have with Five Eyes. There's going to be records of it. They can't hide that. Now, they've tried to contain it to put it into a,

it wasn't disseminated around all the intelligence agencies. This was not well known. It was a tight group of people who knew about this and it was contained in this 10 inch binder. But let's talk about where we sit today. So we saw Democrats during COVID change election rules where you can have mail in ballot and you don't have to show an ID. We're going to vote for two months before an election. We're going to have liberal cities not count their votes on election night. They're going to take a day, two days, three days to count their ballots. Someone alleged that they're doing that to see how

many ballots they need in swing states to make sure their candidate actually wins. So that's one side. But how far have we come from the era of Barack Obama? It's kind of like OnlyFans. There was a time when we thought Bill Clinton, you know, and, you know, having oral sex was one thing. And now look where we are today. Same thing here. So Joe Biden isn't like, hey, I'm going to use Five Eyes to go spy on my allies. They basically said, no, we're going to target Americans. We're not going to use Canada, the UK, New Zealand. We're going to do it ourselves now because these are MAGA extremists. If you're a Republican who supports Donald Trump, you're a MAGA extremist, which means if you're an extremist, and by the way, he also said you're a threat to democracy, that means you're a threat to the U.S. and our intelligence agencies can surveil you, can target you, as well as pro-life moms

and dads, as well as parents who go to school board meetings to give pushback on trans teachings within the school. Or if you're a Catholic that goes to a traditional Catholic mass, what they've done is said, we internally now, because we've classified you as an extremist and you are in opposition to what they say is democracy. So now we don't need other countries. We are just going to target you ourselves. Yeah, it is a new level. I mean, we basically have secret police.

And America never really thought we had that. I mean, the CIA, the intelligence agencies were always supposed to be directed outward at foreign threats. And now they are pointing inward. And the whole system, and you and I talk about this all the time, our entire system was set up so that the people could keep the government in check. And now we're at this new phase. These are the fruits of Barack Obama, who is a Marxist at heart. And this is the new system we're in. And they have turned the government and its powers against their ideological enemies, which are conservatives and Republicans. So here's my question to you, Sean. This is now getting, the sources. And by the way, Matt Taibbi and Michael Schellenberger are excellent journalists. They were at the tip of the spear with the Twitter files that came out on how the government was colluding with Twitter prior to Elon Musk becoming the CEO.

They were suppressing and deplatforming and altering algorithms for conservatives, which is essentially a political donation to the Democrats. So they were on the tip of the spear of that story. And now they're coming up with this story. There are going to be more layers to this story. They're going to talk more about what to lay out in this bomb genome, subsequent bombshell reports going to lay out like why they're so confident in these sources, perhaps even reveal sources. This is all coming out right now. I don't think that this was in the plan for the Democrats leading up to the 2024 election. I think they were hoping they would keep the lid on all this. Now it's coming out. all this. Now it's coming out. What happens now, Sean? Because you and I have said for a long time that we believe that the next year, really the next year, are going to be the most volatile

year, months in our lifetime. How does this story impact the election of 2024? Is this going to garner support for Donald Trump on an even greater level, more sympathy for him as more? You know, there are people that said he was crazy when he said that they were Obama was spying on him in Trump Tower. I remember Joe and Mika on Morning Joe freaking out and saying he's crazy. He's not fit to to serve because he thinks the CIA, the CIA would never do this. And now it's all coming out. How does this impact the election? So again, it would have had no impact because this would have been censored and major media sources would never report the story. By the way, there should have been a New York Times story. There should have been the Washington Post, ABC or NBC. It's a Substack story. It's on Substack. It is actual,

again, decentralizing reporting where you have good people who want to break stories and they can get paid by subscribers. I mean, it's actually brilliant when, and the mainstream media has created this wide opening for independent journalists to walk through and do real reporting. So because of Twitter, though, and we now debate Elon Musk and there's good, bad and ugly around Elon Musk. But what he has done on Twitter to allow stories to live on his platform and be shared on his platform where before you could never do that. This is it's a huge story because of that, because people can now see it and share it and philosophize on what happened. So you're absolutely right. This would have been suppressed in the same way the Hunter Laptop Biden story was suppressed.

It would have been called Russian disinformation. And now it's all coming out. So that's interesting. You're right. This could change. This is a big moment. It is a big moment. It is a big moment. And again, when you have a Congress that fundamentally understands that the intelligence and law enforcement apparatus in the United States government is at war with them, that is targeting Republicans, conservatives, more than likely their nominee, Donald Trump, and they don't do anything about it. They fully fund the CIA and the NSA and the FBI and the DOJ. What is wrong with the Congress that they can't go? Listen,

I'm sorry. You have way too much money. If you have money to target conservatives and Republicans and moms and Catholics and pro-lifers, you have too much money. And punish the agency by cutting their funding. But, Sean, could it be not so much about that, you know, the Republicans are so dumb and they keep writing the check for the CIA because the CIA and the FBI convinced them that we're out there getting terrorists too and you can't cut our funding, although they just gave them brand new, really, how much was that building they just gave the FBI? Two billion dollars gave the FBI a new massive building for the FBI that spies on Republicans and the Republicans are funding it. But could it be, Sean, that these agencies, that these members of Congress are

compromised, that these intelligence agencies have something on these members. And then these members know that we remember when when Chuck Schumer after Donald Trump said, oh, my gosh, I know that I'm being spied on by by the CIA in Trump Tower. And Chuck Schumer went on camera laughing and said, hmm, you shouldn't have said that. They'll get you 10 ways to Sunday. So are members of Congress afraid of the intelligence? No, they're not. They're not afraid. Why do you say that? Why are you so sure?

Because I was there. I would know if people had the... You didn't have anything on you, but what if you're a member who doesn't have something? Don't you think they messed with Senator Menendez, that they knew he had those he had that relationship with the with the egyptian um government that he had bars of gold it only came out when he crossed the biden administration so he's he might have been protected because of the biden administration but listen if i'm sorry if anyone republican democrat or Democrat has,

you know, $150 million in gold bars in your house, and it came from Egypt, I hope the FBI doesn't hold them hostage. They actually arrest them and prosecute them, right? It's do they, are they doing little things to try to maneuver in blackmail? You're saying members of Congress aren't afraid of the intelligence agencies? They're not being blackmailed by the intelligence agency. I don't think they wouldn't go that far. It's one of the theories out there, Sean, because people can't understand why Republicans are doing this. They've tapped the phones. So the cloakroom is right off the House floor.

There's a little room on the Democrat side, on the Republican side, where you can buy a hot dog or a Coke. And there's chairs where you're off the floor, but right next to the floor. And there's phones in there. They had tapped the phones of the cloakroom. And Congress lost its mind over that. When was that? This was under, was this in the Obama years, I believe that happened. Oh, that doesn't surprise me.

So here's what concerns me. As we've unpacked this, when the FBI and the CIA were disseminating fake and false information about russia occlusion to keep the story alive who was the president donald trump was the president when that happened right yeah when um when that happens and you have a president who's in charge of the whole apparatus but but can't control that apparatus, that they have so much freedom that they can go at war with and undermine the duly elected president of the United States. It begs the question, who's in charge? Is the voter in charge of electing someone to run our government? Or is the government running the person that we've elected to participate as the president? Or is the intelligence agency really, I mean, when we say the deep state,

is really the intelligence agencies, is that where the power is and they are directing everything? So they have the ultimate power because they have spine tools. Right. But education is their own deep state. If you put a new secretary of education in, they're going to thwart and stonewall. And we saw that. Right. So I think that even when you have, by the way, the Twitter files, the suppression of information around COVID on Facebook and Twitter. Who was the president when that happened?

Donald Trump was. Do I think he wanted the suppression of information? No. But you had these intelligence agencies coordinating with big tech to undermine the very man who was their boss. Right. They had orders from the government. The very man who was their boss. Right.

They had orders from the government. And then Twitter had a bunch of little beta basement boys deciding, or vaccines, or the, you know, we couldn't discuss, you know, hydroxychloroquine or any of those things. Donald Trump was the president. Didn't approve it. So what does that tell you then? So what it tells me is that if Donald Trump wins, right now he's more than likely going to be the nominee.

He does not have enough time to think through how do I remake the intelligence community to be loyal to America, not a party. That's what you want. I don't want them loyal to a Republican Party or a Democrat Party. Loyal to the country and serving the country and staying the hell out of politics. He needs to be tagging someone right now. I bet he is. I bet he is. To think through on day one, what do we do to clean this crap out of our government? But this is why Sean Vivek Ramaswamy said you need to just eliminate it and start all over.

And the reason I say that is because even in your definition there, we need people who are not loyal to party, but loyal to America. We need people who are not loyal to party, but loyal to America. These deep staters from the very beginning when Donald Trump was was elected and not even installed. They said, we're patriots. This is a threat to democracy. And we have to undermine Donald Trump. And that is how they got these minions, the lower ranking bureaucrat deep staters. That's how they got them to do the dirty work, whether it was not executing on things that Donald Trump wanted them to do, undermining appointees, political appointees by the president, just doing whatever they wanted to do, which happened to align with the Democrats,

instead of doing what Donald Trump, who was elected by the voters, told them to do. So it gets to a problem that we've talked about a number of times on the podcast, which is you do have a political appointees. The political appointees will change with the changing politics. Right. But then you have basically employees who work through administrations, and they feel very confident actually undermining their boss, thwarting the new secretary, the new FBI director. Why?

Because they're there forever. You can't fire them. That's right. They're protected by a union. So if you de-unionize, you think this solves half the problem? If they're not protected by a union and a new boss comes in and says you're not on board, great, you're fired. Pack your shit and get out of here. It seems pretty easy.

And FIFAC also talked about that. You've been saying that forever, Sean. You saw it. That's how you have to. You experienced the deep state when you were in Congress. Then if they want to keep it down. Where you would tell someone to do something. They're like, yeah, go punch Sam.

I'll be here long after you. I'll be here longer than you. So you give them the option to do the work the way you want it, or you fire them. And then they'll make a choice. Do I actually want to follow the directive, or do I want to quit my job and go find a new one? Okay, so let me... That's the answer. I want to hear how you think this plays out for Donald Trump.

Does this information, which confirms yet another conspiracy comes true, does this change the election? Do you get people who maybe never even liked Donald Trump, but who are like, what the hell is going on in America? This is a police state. We'll have more of this conversation after this. So I don't know about that, but I will tell you this. If you are willing to use the FBI, the CIA, and the NSA to go to other countries, our partners, to spy on a presidential candidate, that's extreme. That's radical. And then once that man's elected, you will use all of your tools to undermine him and feed a fake story into the media about him trying to get him impeached and removed from office. That is even more extreme. And then you

will use 52 former intelligence officers, right, to diminish a story on the leading Democrat candidate's son. And this is not intelligence, but this is then what Democrats have done. I mean, it's a big deal that we all don't vote on the same day with the same information. I hate that. The fact that you have mail-in balloting,

you don't know who's filling out a ballot. There's no integrity around that. You don't know how many ballots they've filled out. No integrity around that either. You all don't vote on the same day. No integrity on that. So that has also undermined the system. And then you look at the prosecution of Donald Trump. How far they're going to prosecute

Donald Trump now, and they're going to try to kick him off the ballot. Wildly extreme. And it begs the question, what won't they do to defeat Donald Trump? And so I don't know that it's, are the voters going to come to Trump because of all the chaos that Joe Biden has created and all of these stories in bad government, this rot that they've created? Yeah, I think they are. But the question is, the power on the inside is real.

And what are they going to do? What steps are they going to take to guarantee that Donald Trump doesn't? When they failed in 16, they were successful in 2020. What are they going to do? And I don't know the answer to that. But I'm telling you, they will pull at every single string. They'll stop at nothing. Stop at nothing to take him out, which is scary. Well, I mean, listen, you said take them out. That's what I'm afraid.

I'm actually afraid that, and I hate to say it, but it has happened in our history. And I'm worried. I'm worried. I hope he's safe. I know his Secret Service. People are very loyal to him. They love him.

And they want to protect him. But these are some very powerful forces and and a lot of things that they that the democrats didn't and the deep state didn't expect to happen to keep the lid on all this have happened one of the problems is joe biden himself um the wheels are coming off that bus and that's a problem because that's that's shaking support that they thought they had locked up with certain constituents you know in in you know sort of solid democrat suburban women and and black female voters and then you have the economy which is not doing well um because of so many of the things that they've done and and that's shaking that's shaking support

and then conspiracy after conspiracy um even though they're coming out late in the game here. Coming true. Everyone's going, God, everything that they told me wasn't true is actually true from COVID to, you know, Hunter Biden's laptop to now the spying on Donald Trump and the fact that our government has a secret police that spies on American citizens from the opposing party. And then, Sean, you have the degradation at the border and the fact that Republican governors decided to send the problem to Blue City. So now you have some problems there. And then on top of that, you have all this global instability and the left very angry that Joe Biden has you know uh sided with Israel on um he's trying to play both sides

of his mouth but the the young people are not dumb they see the millions of dollars uh billions of dollars going to Israel and then you have the war in Ukraine and you have, I mean, things are crazy right now. And so they must be nervous. And there is only one person who has been able to sort of manage this onslaught of deep state on top of them and still scrap his way through these prosecutions. I don't know how the guy gets up every day and they know it's I hate to say it. You like to think that Republican ideas, conservative ideas can stand on their own. But in our case, in this moment, there is one man who's been able to withstand the weight of this, the weight of the world, truly of all the evil forces. And I don't know what the left does.

I mean, I hate talking like that. But you have to, because even if you look at, pick the worst world leader over the last 100 years. They've done a whole lot of things, killed multiple. There's a number you can choose from. Pick yours. And the way the intelligence community behaves and the media behaves, Donald Trump is that threat to democracy.

He is going to undermine every principle that we have built in this country since our founding. That's what they sell out there. But we actually had four years of him. And I'm like, well, what did the guy do? Well, yeah, he cut taxes. Yes, there was less rules and regulation. Yes, he said, yes, my dishwasher worked better under Trump. I want more American oil and gas, which means more job, cheaper energy, more national security. No wars. He orchestrated the Abraham Accords, bringing more peace to the Middle East, right?

More stability with North Korea than we ever had. Little Rocket Man was in line not sending out rockets. He met with Putin. Putin wasn't attacking Ukraine. He gave power back to states. And the economy was roaring. And, yeah, he was fighting on Russia collusion. And, yes, he was sending out some mean tweets but was donald trump um a bolshevik was he ma was he to tell her i mean you would think

that that's what donald trump was yeah when actually he was an amazing leader that brought great results for his people and said yeah yeah, okay, they might be mad. In NATO, you don't pay your bills. We're not going to do this deal. We're not going to pay your bills to keep you safe. So you can have a socialist country and have a huge social, you know, net for your citizens. And we subsidize it by paying for your defense. No, you have to pay it. The deal is 3% of your GDP you pay to the military. You don't pay it. Well, we're going to rework this deal.

Talked about what the U.N. is garbage. Talked about getting us out of the U.N. So that freak, he put tariffs on China to go. Listen, I think Donald Trump is, for the most part, a free trader. Do you know what else he just said he wants to do, Sean? I just read this. Maybe you've been talking about it on the bottom line at 6 p.m. On Fox Business.

Eastern on Fox Business. Thank you. I don't know if you've been talking about it on the bottom line at 6 p.m. Eastern on Fox Business. I don't know if you have been. I haven't been tuning in every single day. On most days I do. But he said, no more foreign aid. Everything we give is a loan. And then if you don't do what we want, then we're going to make that loan due right away. But no more foreign aid. And I thought, well, I mean, obviously, hopefully to the poorest of the poor countries, we give aid in terms of grain and help, like, you know, in terms of feeding people. We're $34 trillion in debt. We're $34 trillion in debt, and we're paying for other people's militaries.

We're paying to protect borders in other countries while ours is wide open. This whole thing has just gotten so out of control. And that's why I think this is so volatile, Sean. The worst things you can pull... Okay, he put on pro-life justices. Okay, that might make you upset, but that's not Mao. Right? I mean, and again, I think...

That's not Stalin. I think when you see the authoritarian-esque behavior of Joe Biden, even the dual... I mean, the two-tier of justice that daniel penny who restrained someone a vagrant on a subway train in new york city who's who's charged um with with murder right and has a cash bail that's one scenario of like a hundred thousand dollars even though he's from Long Island. The illegal immigrant who comes and they beat the crap out of a New York police officer

five on two or six on two, they're released on a signature bond. They have no ties to New York, no ties to America, no family, no job. No loyalty to this country. And by the way, they were charged with a misdemeanor. Now, later, I think New York City was really upset. Alvin Bragg upgraded those charges to felonies. But how do you explain how those two are differently treated? How do you explain January 6th treatment or BLM riots treatment or Antifa treatment? So I think to your original question, I think a lot of Americans are uneasy. They don't

love the direction of the country. And even though there's some signs that the economy is improving for some, a lot of people are still struggling and really tough times out there. But even for the signs looking a little better, which by the way, I think that's going to turn on us in the next four or five months, that aside, people still feel pretty bad about how things are going. And that's because of the border. That's because of crime. That's because of massive spending. That's because of Israel. That's because of Ukraine. Like nothing's going well. Right. And they look at this and go, well, who what's what's the change? Well, the only change is Donald Trump to Joe Biden. And as you said, Sean, the real answer is going to be,

can support for, if not Donald Trump, just a different direction than the Joe Biden, build back better, great reset direction, globalist direction, if nothing else, that extra push towards Trump, is that enough to overcome? Because I say that because conservatives are solidly behind Donald Trump. So will the independents, will those who are just ticked off at everything they're seeing,

will that be enough to offset all the shenanigans that we know they're going to pull up until the election. That's a question I can't answer. And we can't answer that because we're only getting proof of what they were doing in 2016. Right now, right. It's taken us almost 10 years to get this information. But we see how the seeds were planted and how they're just blooming right now with really bad results. Can I ask you one last question, Sean? Yeah.

If you were Donald Trump and you had been spied on and you were clamoring for years saying, they're spying on me. I mean, I feel like people say he's so angry or people kind of criticize him in that way. I feel like he's been for somebody who's been lied about and smeared so horribly as a traitor. I mean, listen, if you're colluding with Russia, you're a traitor to undermine the elections. I feel like I would not have that composure. Listen, I said many times I would be in the corner weeping. It's it. I mean, it has been so bad. And this is so dangerous. I mean, the exposure that you have to send me is a funny farm. A hundred percent. And I just I think I think Donald Trump has been remarkable in how he's handled all of this and how he's navigated it. And again, I don't know

what the intelligence community is going to try to do to Donald Trump. But when they do, right, they've already done Russia collusion. We all know they lied about that. They've all done the prosecution. They've done impeachment, Ukraine phone calls. Yep. And now we're going to kick them off the ballot. So when they come out with their next bombshell on Donald Trump, we're all going to go, sure, right. We're going to believe you now. Whatever the bombshell is, whatever the story is going to be that Donald Trump did this, we're all going to go, bullshit.

We all know you're liars. This is just one more attempt at sandbagging the American people with your lies. And I don't think the American people are going to buy it. They're not going to believe it because they've been lied to so many times. They've been misrepresented so many times. The effort has been so great to take Donald Trump out. They're going to look at this and go, ah, it's more lies. Anyway, listen, great conversation from OnlyFans to the Bombshell Report.

To the police state. The rot, again, that lives on from Barack Obama. Oh, gosh. You're so right. That is the root and the source of so much of this. Glad you brought that up. It's fundamentally changing America. Sadly. All right, listen, we want to thank you for joining our podcast. If you like our podcast, you can

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