From the Kitchen Table: The Duffys - Trump's Primary Mistake, Joy Reid Defends Pornographic Books In School & Billionaire Bunkers

Episode Date: January 25, 2024

Did former President Donald Trump react wisely to his New Hampshire primary win against former UN Ambassador Nikki Haley? Why is MSNBC's Joy Reid supporting school libraries being stocked with sexually explicit books?  Well, Sean and Rachel tackle these topics! They also dive into the recent uptick in billionaires and celebrities purchasing underground bunkers - oddly, luxurious ones at that - in preparation for Doomsday. . .do they know something we don't? Follow Sean & Rachel on Twitter: @SeanDuffyWI & @RCamposDuffy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey everyone, welcome to From the Kitchen Table. I'm Sean Duffy along with my co-host for the podcast. She's my partner in life. She's also my wife, Rachel Campos Duffy. I have my favorite coffee cup with me today, Sean. I love my favorite coffee cup with me today, Sean. I love my husband coffee cup. Yeah. When we get in a fight and Sean wants to make up, he'll make me coffee in this cup.

Just to remind me, I love my husband. Or when we're in a fight and you're wrong, I'll make a cup of coffee just to remind you that you love me and you're probably wrong. It is funny. Listen, I'm excited about today's show. We're going to go through a number of different topics. We're going to talk about preppers, bunkers, and billionaires, which will be kind of fun. Yes.

We're going to talk about Joy Reid, crazy talking about the transgender issue in books in school. But first, let's talk about last night. It's not transgender. It's pedophilia and, like, sodomy. Okay? And she wants that in your school. Okay.

She exposes the left wing. But first, let's talk about last night's race in New Hampshire. Donald Trump won by 11 points. I believe it was 55.5 to 43.2, if I'm not mistaken. 11-point victory. But she's not getting out. She's not getting out. And again, I think, again, if someone wants to stay in the race, they have every right to do that.

I think what's important, though, is that Donald Trump, you know, leave Nikki Haley aside. They're going to go to South Carolina, her home state. Donald Trump is going to trounce her there. You push her aside. Don't talk about her. Don't think about her. Focus on Joe Biden. And that's that's interesting. Last night. I know. So I was watching it. So everyone knows I like Trump and I find a lot of what he does very humorous. So Trump wins. Nikki Haley gives a speech very, very early when it looks like she's winning by seven points,

but she ends up losing by how much? 11. 11 points. So when she's down to seven points, she gives a speech that feels like a victory speech. It's weird. Okay, I'll concede that. Then later on in the evening,

Donald Trump comes on to give his victory speech. He's got Tim Scott, Vivek, a few others behind him. Doug Burgum. Doug, yeah. And he gives this speech, and I'm enjoying it because I enjoy like the unpredictability. He's like, hey, you get up here and say a few words and you get up here and say a few words. And you just never it's kind of what I like about Trump is that it always feels like a tightrope, like something could go wrong in any moment.

And I love that unpredictability about politics that he brings to politics. And it's uniquely him. And Sean was sitting there. We were watching this in bed. And Sean's like shaking his head. And I'm like, what do you like about this? This is fun. And Sean's like, he's losing. He has this chance right now where maybe CNN, MSNBC, the network, the other, you know, ABC, et cetera, might pick him up. And he has a chance to actually bring in some of these suburban women and start to unify the party. And instead, he starts attacking the candidate that a lot of these suburban women like instead of going, look, she did a good job. And, you know, there's room for her somewhere. So, as you know, I've also been a huge fan of President Trump. I think he's done remarkable things. And I also have had no problem offering

him advice. And oftentimes I get swatted away. So I have no problem. I would say this to his face if I had the opportunity. And he'd swat you away. He would. He swats me away. He'll have some reason why he did it. Absolutely. And I'm OK with that. And he doesn't take offense to the advice that I give because it's unsolicited and whatever. But I think it's interesting. So what would be your advice? Say it better than me. So first off, you have MSNBC and CNN. Right when Trump gets good, they cut away from him. They believe that Donald Trump's language and message is so powerful they don't want their viewers to actually see it which is what happened the last time they

they well in 2016 they played him all the time and people are like this guy makes sense and a lot of democrats uh voted for him a lot of you know moderates voted for him who watched those networks so they've been cutting away from donald trump in iowa in in Iowa and in other speeches that he's given. So tonight, maybe if they were going to cover him and he had a message that, you know, was a vision for America. Well, she does a really good job at where I want to take the country. Who are we going to be? How do we have to fix this huge problem that Joe Biden has created? Instead of doing that, he started punching down at Nikki Haley. Now, I know he's not afraid to punch down, but she's irrelevant.

She's a non-story. And you're bigger than that. You're a former president. You want to be president again. You focus on anyone who will listen, the message that you have on where you want to take us. Be hopeful. And I got a couple of messages from some women in my life outside of you who were like, God, he can't help himself. What is he doing? Yeah. And that's so interesting. And again,

I must be like a man. I was enjoying it. But then when you said it, as soon as you said it, I was like, you're right. This was a missed opportunity. It is fun, right? If you like him, you already like him. It's a fun, right? It's a tight walk. But it was funny. He's like, I'm gonna let Vivek come up and say a couple words, but only one minute. And he said Vivek only had one minute multiple times, because I think once Vivek gets the microphone, get to be vice president because he can't help himself. He's such an alpha male himself that he just wants to take the stage. And Donald Trump's not going to like that. And then he gave, he gave Tim Scott a chance to talk. And then he gave, you know, Tom Holman got in and actually did a good job talking about the border, but people don't really care what Tom Holman has to say about the border as, and I love you, Tom Holman. He's a great guy. But they want to know what Donald Trump is going to do and you're right, it was a missed opportunity

it showed in one moment Sean you encapsulated here he had this historic win to win as not a president running in a re-election as a former president running he won Iowa

he won Iowa. He won New Hampshire that hadn't been done in, what, like 70 years? Nobody's ever done that. Totally historic moment. And then in total Trumpian fashion, he had to go and settle a few scores instead of just, like you said, just she was irrelevant. Don't be too mean because her voters like her. Try and win them over and move forward. So and I think that plays into a lot of perceptions that some of these independent voters who might be undecided that don't like that don't like Joe Biden, but they're like,

can I vote for him? And this was a reminder for some of them why they don't want to vote for him. And again, I like everything he does. And I like and I had fun watching it as well. But I want him to win. The country needs him to win. We can't have four more years of Joe Biden. And that's why I was like, oh, come on, man. Come on, man. All right. So that was last night's election in New Hampshire. We're going to be on to South Carolina and where he's going to win again and defy every expectation. Despite, you know, having everything thrown at him, he still wins. And I think that's the kind of frustration that

he has. Right. Kentis said was interesting. And this is this is really hard as a politician. Nancy Mace was endorsed by Nikki Haley. Donald Trump endorsed her opponent, right? And Nancy Mace from South Carolina has come out and not endorsed Nikki Haley, who endorsed her. She endorsed Donald Trump. Why did she do that? So her district has gotten a little more conservative. And I think she's concerned that she could lose if she seems a little bit too moderate. So for her protecting her own political hide, she's endorsed Donald Trump, but also Tim Scott, Tim Scott. I served in the house with him. We won in 2010, Mick Mulvaney,

Tim Scott, Trey Goddard. We all won in the same year. And whether it was two or three years after we were in the house, Nikki Haley elevated Tim Scott to be the Senator from the state. Somebody retired early and they had to appoint somebody. And she chose him. And she chose, Nikki Haley chose Tim Scott. And Tim Scott in this race chose Donald Trump to endorse. So it's interesting. And that's going to be really hard.

That was not easy for Tim Scott, I can imagine. But I think he's looking forward to what's best for the country. And he sees it as Donald Trump. Or maybe what's best for him because he's on the vice presidential list of picks. You know, so it is interesting. The two strangest things that have happened, and I say this as a political spouse who has seen this, the workings inside of Wisconsin politics, has been how many national candidates, federal candidates endorse Donald Trump over Ron DeSantis in Florida. I was like, yeah, what is what is Ron DeSantis

doing that's pissing these people off? Because it's just not normal that that happens. And everyone gives you a pass. Like even if you like the guy, even if you like Donald Trump, if you're in Wisconsin, you're like, we got we got to stick by our Wisconsin guys. Right. And, you know, that's just kind of how it goes. It's really unusual to not endorse the person running out of your state. And then you see this happen again in South Carolina. It makes you wonder, is it that Donald Trump is so powerful, or is it that, you know, there's some internal state politics that rubbed some of these people the wrong way, and this was their way to sort of express it? Okay, do you know the answer to that question? What is it? Well, of course, Ron DeSantis, who again was a great governor, I love all the things he's done, and I want to be cautious about how hard I hit him, but he did not build relationships with the congressional delegation in the state.

They actually didn't like him. He wasn't nice to them. They loved what he did, but they didn't like him personally, and they liked Donald Trump personally. And we can talk about policy all we want, whether it's in a home state, who are you going to endorse? But also in politics and voting, it's about who do you like. A lot of that comes in reply. It comes in very relational business. It really is. It's, it's, it's, it is a little bit of a popularity contest as well as policies. But not just popularity, but like, are you a nice person? Can I trust you? Are you somebody I can go to and say, listen, my district's having this problem

and I need your help. And, and you're actually, you know, I think Ron DeSantis probably followed through, but he probably just did it in a way that people didn't like. I don't know. I don't know what he did, but he just you saw it on the trail. He couldn't connect. It was a bit awkward. Yeah. All right. But make no mistake, Ron DeSantis will be back. Nikki Haley in 2028 will be back when Donald Trump is not on the ballot. And we'll cover that when it happens. But we've got four years to do that. Before we move on, can I just say one more thing?

Sure. There's a theory out there, and I want to get your thought. Kayleigh McEnany brought this up last night on Fox News. She says that the reason why Nikki Haley is sticking in this race is because she wants to gather as many sort of of those neocon traditional, I hate Donald Trump, Republican voters, and even some independents who don't want to go Democrat this way. And that if there's enough of them, that Donald Trump will have to make amends with them. And the way to make amends with them and sort of unify the party is through her. At the same time, you have people like Don Jr., Tucker Carlson, Rand Paul,

who started a Never Nikki website and movement. You have all these sort of conservatives going, we're going to leave, well, I don't think Don Jr. is going to leave Donald Trump, but the others are like, this is not a ticket that any, we won't support Donald Trump if he brings it Nikki Haley, because she's so much of the bad stuff we hate about the Democrats. She's basically a Democrat light. We don't want her. Do you think that that she's trying to force her way to be the vice presidential candidate?

So let's be fair to Nikki. First, when we were talking and we said the most popular Democrat in the race is Nikki Haley in New Hampshire. It's true. But with that said, she's not a Democrat. She is a George Bush. She's an old school Republican. She's a neocon. She likes war. She was $34 trillion in debt. She wants to send more money to Ukraine. um she i wish it were 34 trillion in debt she wants to send more money to ukraine so i do think there's um there's a benefit to bringing in your enemies and making them your allies when you campaign and it is about winning donald trump is like we talked about the speech last night he doesn't do anything you know traditionally i don't think if nikki haley stays in through super tuesday she stays in through the convention.

There's no way Donald Trump is going to select her as a vice president. She is solidifying that she will not be part of the ticket. By staying in the race. She goes to South Carolina and then endorses, after that endorses Trump. That's fine. But if she goes through Super Tuesday, I think he's going to be like, no way. So I don't think that's interesting, but I don't think that is a philosophy that's going to necessarily play out. I think it's deeper.

I think that Donald Trump was burned so bad by having tried to bring in establishment Republicans into his America first administration. And a lot of them undermined him from underneath, one of them being, you know, Vice President Pence. It's not just what happened at the end. There was a lot of stuff happening with his staff that were very anti-Trump, were trying to sort of build another sort of power base to counter him at all these different measures of things that he was doing. I don't think he would do it. And at the same time, there are powerful voices like Rand Paul, like Tucker Carlson, and even people whispering into the ears of Don Jr. to the point where Don Jr. had to go, oh, no, that's not happening. So I think it's very interesting. I think he's been chastened. He has been chastened. I don't think

this happens because he had a lot of disloyalty. Yes. And he wants loyalty. But I mean, I am exactly what I mean. You always say what I'm what I would takes me 20 sentences to say. You say one. Let's take a quick break and want to come back with our next topic. We're going to talk about Joy Reid and discuss further. Fox News Radio on demand on the Fox News app. Download the app and just click listen. When you swipe left, you can listen to your favorite Fox News talk shows live. Swipe right for the latest Fox News radio newscasts on

demand. Fox News radio on the Fox News app. Download it today. All right, welcome back. We're now going to go into Joy Reid from MSNBC, a story that Rachel is wild about. Let me set this up. So, you know, there's been a lot of talk, as you know, parents going to school board meetings, really concerned about the kind of books that are in the classroom, but also tucked away in the libraries. So you have librarians actually ordering books, putting them in the library that are totally inappropriate. Sometimes these books are assigned in class as well. And of course, one of these books, and there are many of them, is All Boys Aren't Blue by an author named George M. Johnson, who's a non-binary person who had been,

I guess, incestually raped as a child and writes about it. And you're wondering like, why would, why do, why do kids want to hear about this? Like, why would that be important? We have so many things our kids weren't getting like math, science, reading, and by the way, the classics, like who's reading most kids, they want to read about Huckleberry Finn or Wizard of Oz or the little house on the Prairie, or like our kids, a lot of Greek mythology. That's what kids want, but no, no, no. People like Joy Reed think our kids a lot of greek mythology that's what kids want but no no no um people like joy reed think our kids really need to hear about the trauma in graphic detail of a young boy being anally sodomized sexually abused by an adult male family

member in very graphic ways described and almost in a soft porn way. It isn't even, it's disgusting. One person who read it aloud, by the way, Sean, is Senator John Kennedy, just to give an example in a hearing. Can I read it? Sure. If you have kids around, take them out of the room. I'll put this on pause.

This is from the book All Boys Aren't Blue. I put some lube on him and got him on his knees. I began to slide into him from behind. I pulled out of him and kissed him while he masturbated. He asked me to turn over while he slipped a condom on himself. So this is gross. This has no place in a school library. No taxpayer funds should be used for books like this. And so Tiffany Justice for Moms for Liberty agreed to go on the Joy Reid show, which is a pretty ballsy move. So let's play the clip, a small clip of their interaction. Watch. Yeah. The question I'm asking is, what is the expertise that you have and other Moms for Liberty advocates have to decide that a book, an award winning book like All Boys Aren't Blue isn't appropriate for students to read? What is the tragic story of a young man who's annually raped by his adult family member? So

you have incest, rape, pedophilia. Joy, you said you'd let me answer, so I'm going to answer for you. In what context is a strap-on dildo acceptable for public school? Later in that interview, she also says, well, Joy Reid's defense is, first of all, in that clip, she says, it's an award-winning book.

Like, by the way, these awards for children's literature are totally rigged. If you have a non-binary story that has graphic details like that, you're going to get the award. If you have a story of how you were, you know, racially, you know, discriminated against in America, the freest, most equal place to live in the world where everybody wants to come, you have, you know, you get access to an award. That's how they set up these awards. So the fact that it got an award doesn't mean anything anymore.

Children's literature is, in terms of what's promoted and awarded and given prestige, is dead. But also later on in the interview, Sean, she says, well, why do you have the right to take this book out of schools when this could be someone's lived experience? Which is troubling, right? So if this is someone's lived experience that they wrote about in this book, again, this should not be content in the library. This should be content for law enforcement or for counselors. Because as Tiffany Justice put it out, this is incest, this is rape, this is pedophilia. But I thought what was more interesting in the clip where Joy Reid is like,

what's your expertise with moms for grief? You're right, honey. And the point is, you don't need an expert to know that this content is not appropriate for any kids in any school library. We don't talk about, we shouldn't talk about any kind of sex with our kids, you know, how to perform sex or, I mean, again, this reminds me of Hustler. I mean, this is a very graphic. It's presented in a very soft porn way. Absolutely. Sean, can I say something else?

Graphic. It's presented in a very soft, boring way. Absolutely. Sean, can I say something else? By the way, I'm not going to go back to when I was 12 years old. But Hustler tells stories like Rachel's kicking me under the table. I'm like, oh, my God. I didn't know the story about when you were 12. We haven't got into that yet.

But, well, anyway, that's for a different show. But, anyway, this is what they do. They're trying to be erotic in this content. And for some kids, if they find that right, this is not building the education. It's not building character. It's not building morality. It's doing none of the things that we would hope our public school would do. And the fact that you have Joy Reid, who's like, well, you're not an expert. We need experts to come in and say that this is inappropriate because a parent doesn't have the grounding, the knowledge, the foundation and education to say that this is inappropriate for kids. This is how nuts the left has become. Well, I would say this, Sean, that it actually is a perfect example.

They think that parents aren't. Guess what? The parents are the experts. Thank you. The parents absolutely get this, which is why they're showing up at school board meetings saying, reading this stuff. And then the school boards are the ones saying, don't read that in public. So it's okay for our kids in the library or in their classrooms or to be assigned these books, but it's inappropriate in a school board meeting with adults. Like it's just crazy. The parents are the experts. And again, these are people who hate children. Um, I, I have children. They don't, they are, would be embarrassed to have to read this stuff for a school assignment. They don't want this kind of information. What they want is to be taught how to read, how to write. School is for that purpose.

But for liberals, government schools, for which they have a monopoly, it's basically a cartel, is for indoctrinating your kids. And one of the ways that they indoctrinate your kids and turn them into activists is to separate them from their values. And one of the ways that they indoctrinate your kids and turn them into activists is to separate them from their values. And one of the ways to separate them from your values and use them for the power of the state as activists, liberal Marxist activists, is to use sexuality. Because sexuality is a way that they can sort of move them away from their innocence and their protection of their family and into this other realm for which they can be upon. We have an entire podcast about this. And if you go to our library, look for our podcast with Mike Gonzalez from the Heritage Foundation,

where he goes back in history and shows that at the turn of the century, when the socialists were advancing in the early parts of the 1900s, they attempted this kind of stuff in Eastern Bloc countries, what's now Hungary and so forth. They tried to do this and they were kicked out of those countries because they were trying to use a sexualized curriculum, trying to sexualize children early in order to advance their political objectives. And they ended up getting kicked out of Hungary. They went to Germany. They had the Frankfurt School there. And many of those people ended up coming to the United States and were sort of the early parts of the progressive unions that ended up taking over

our schools. So there's a massive history to this, and people should understand it. This isn't a one off. This book didn't just land here for some reason, you know, that that that's not grounded in a bigger objective. It absolutely is part of the liberal agenda. So I want to go to another point here as well. Again, you're right, this goes back, you know, whether it's 100 years, but for sure, decades and generations, they've been working to take over the school system and to infiltrate with this kind of material. But if you look at this, you have to understand that the left, the teachers unions, these librarians and their mouthpieces on MSNBC, like Joy Reid, they're trying to normalize this interaction

between an adult and a child. They're trying to normalize incest, rape, and pedophilia. And then not only just normalize, they're actually celebrating. Yeah. Giving awards. Pedophilia. Yeah. Incest and rape. And you have to ask yourself, how demented does a human being have to be to think that a child who we know they're more helpless, they're more voiceless, they can't protect themselves, that you would celebrate the abuse of a child by way of celebrating a book and making sure that

kids have a right to see that book in your school system, it shows how cuckoo crazy you are. And it brings me to this point. This week is a school choice week, celebrating school choice. And this is not, these are not just random, like crazy left-wing schools. This stuff is happening in school systems all across the country, not just blue states, blue cities, but also red states, red cities. It's happening. And that's why we've seen so many parents make the decision to move from public school, where this celebration of pedophilia, pornography, and rape are celebrated, pedophilia, pornography, and rape are celebrated, to go to schools that actually match their values, that will actually instruct, teach, enlighten their children to make them young, strong,

educated adults, and free thinking too, by the way, to go out into the world. And I think you're going to see this movement continue. There are 10 states now that have fully gone with a voucher system. So no matter your salary, no matter your background, any child who wants to go to a different school, the money follows the child to the school to which they want to go. The money just doesn't go to the school system. That's a huge distinction. And I think what could happen is market forces could come into play. And as the public schools start to lose students, they may have to rethink, does our teaching, does our education, does the morality of the school,

if it doesn't match the public, we're going to go out of business. We're going to lose teachers. Our union is going to be diminished. Maybe we should rethink the way we're doing business. So our education, our platforms match the values of the communities in which we teach. So Arizona, West Virginia, Arkansas, Florida, Indiana, Iowa, Oklahoma, Utah, all making universal school choice the law. And to me, it is absolutely, it should be the right of the parent to decide where their money goes for their child's education, where they send their kid. And again, back to Joy Reid, she's a mother. I believe she has three children.

Any parent who thinks that that's appropriate for a school you have to question them as parents i'm sorry maybe you have to question them as parents if you think that's appropriate then you need you should social services should be calling your house joy read i'm sorry it's it's it's just it's a fundamental misunderstanding of what children want. They want to be children. They want to hold on to their innocence as long as they can. They want books and stories that expand their imagination. They don't want to be pushed into adulthood too early. And so it's true, Sean, there are some children who have had these horrible experiences, too many of them.

But why you would want to expose children who haven't had those experiences, which are the majority of children, into that world, push them into that world, that dark place, I don't understand why you would want to do that. I think this is really confusing to have a school system celebrate their pain and their anguish for the gratification of an adult. You make a good point. You know, there's this for so often, it is adults who protect and nurture children. And it's innate, it's human, that's what we do. nurture children. And it's innate, it's human. That's what we do. And you've seen this new leftist philosophy where they're not to be nurtured and reared. These kids, they see them as political tools. They see them as a way for them to accomplish their political ends, as opposed to the next generation that needs to be, again, educated, informed, enlightened, free thinkers. And when you realize that, you would understand you would never send your child into that lion's den, which is why, again, it's so.

This is the way to go. But if you're in a place in a state where there is no school choice. And God bless Moms for Liberty. They are heroes. They are. They go, they get so much abuse, so many arrows shot at them. You know, if one member does something bad and that's happened, and as happens in any organization, they all get smeared. These moms are heroes. And they go to these meetings and they take all this abuse

and they do it for their own children and they do it for your children. But I have said this many times, I don't want to spend my Thursday nights doing that. And I have been able to find a school that matches my values, a classical Catholic school. Not every child, not every family can afford to send their child to public school, which is why I advocate for government funds to go to the parents so they can afford that. But then I say go to homeschooling. It's worth it. Don't let your, you know, I don't let your children become part of that system. I think you just got to pull them out. And the other thing is, you know, a lot of grandparents are,

you know, putting money away for their grandchildren to inherit money when they pass away. Don't wait that long. Hand that money over to an education fund for their parents, your own sons, adult sons and daughters, so they can use that money to send their kids to a private Christian or charter school. To help save your grandkids. Or aunts and uncles can participate as well. You mentioned homeschooling. That's daunting. We haven't done it.

But the curriculums that are there make it really so much easier for parents to homeschool. The homeschool parents that I've talked to, they have said the curriculum makes it somewhat seamless, but also the communities that come together and how these homeschool kids are able to get more, because people are concerned about the social aspect of being homeschooled. That's such an old way of thinking. They all get together. It's all going to change. So again, we thought this is an important story that we should talk about because it's happening across the country. And Joy Reid pulled the curtain back to expose the way the left thinks about our children. And we think it's important to discuss.

But I want to take a quick break and I want to come back and I want to talk about preppers, shelters. And billionaires. What do the billionaires know that we don't know? Because they're building and prepping at a much higher level than all of you who are getting freeze-dried food and some canning equipment. Let's not undermine the freeze-dried. All right, we'll talk about that right after this. All right, welcome back. Now we're going to get into one of my favorite topics, prepping, bunkers,

but also we're going to talk about the billionaires who are playing my crazy game. I don't have a bunker. I'm just a little bit of a grubber. We don't, but if you had the money, if you were a billionaire, we would have a bunker. I know that about you. We would have a bunker. And this doomsday preppy you thought was just people on the right, you know, people who buy gold, gold coins, you know, from the commercials that you see on Fox. You thought it was those people, people like Sean, who are like, I better get my canning supplies just in case.

Just in case. Oh, no. Liberal billionaires, the sort of tech company guys, the Silicon Valley guys, these people are also into the prepping. Let me tell you how big the business is, Sean. The doomsday prepping business, it's not a hobby for people anymore. It is an $11 billion business. That's how much Americans spent on survival items. That's all of us. Um, between April, 2022 and April, 2023, in one year, $11 billion. And it's not just

the billionaires in Silicon Valley and the, you know, older conservatives, middle-aged conservatives, Gen Z's on it. Get this, a whopping 40% of Gen Z adults. Those are people born after 1997, um, say that they have spent money on doomsday supplies in 2022. So this is now becoming, I guess it's multi-generational. It's across every income level. There was a buyer who was interviewed by the New York Times because he bought one of these doomsday condos, which I'll explain a little bit, but just to give you an idea of what the thinking is behind it. This person who just bought a $1.5 million survival condo, yes, those are on the market, said, I feel we're in the most dangerous era in history, and I wanted to make this investment to protect myself from nuclear

wars and societal collapse. I think it's probably the second one that, actually, I think both of them are on the table. So I think $11 billion does not include all the money billionaires are spending on their in-quilt bunkers. And we're bringing this up because, one, I don't think billionaires know any more than the rest of us know about what's going on in the world. And they don't have a crystal ball that we don't have. They can't look into the future. You don't think they're seeing into the financial collapse maybe at a higher level than a lot of us? I think financial collapse, they have a whole bunch of investments that will make them still billionaires if there is a financial collapse. I think they're preparing though, in case there is a financial collapse or if there's a food collapse or an energy collapse,

In case there is a financial collapse or if there's a food collapse or an energy collapse, have they prepared themselves to live comfortably should that happen? Which is why they're building these bunkers to protect themselves. The $11 billion, I think this is people who are going to Patriot Supply. They're getting foods or a generator or canning supplies in an effort to go, am I somewhat prepared should something bad happen? Or they're going off the grid, buying like a cabin somewhere in the woods in Tennessee or Kentucky or Alaska or wherever. With a wood stove that they can cook on top of, things like that. But Gen Z is born 97 or after.

I mean, these are 26-year-old and younger adults who are investing. And by the way, a lot of them are liberal. This is not just conservatives. They're afraid that if Trump wins, there's going to be a dictatorship and economic collapse. I think the people on the right and the left each have their own reasons. We've done the podcast on homesteading. A lot of people are homesteading to say, I want to be able to grow my own food and can my own food supply. But this goes to, I think, a broader point. There is an unconsciousness of concern that has penetrated throughout the society. People feel that things aren't right. And whether it's $34

trillion in debt, whether they saw the cracks in the supply chain over COVID, something's not right there. Our reliance on China. Or even like what the World Economic Forum, they're seeing what's happening in Europe with farmers. And some of these globalist climate policies affecting the food supply here. Or China buying up farmland. or Bill Gates buying up farmland. All of that's making people going, what's going on? What's happening? And also the wars.

You have Russia, Ukraine. You have Hamas and Israel. But also, this didn't get as much attention, but Iran had a terrorist attack in Pakistan. Pakistan responded by attacking Iran. Pakistan has a nuclear power. So is India. So is China. You have China threatening to invade Taiwan. I mean, there's global instability that's taking place right now. And that makes people feel uncomfortable. There was a time, go back to the 80s and the 90s and even the 2000s, people felt secure with American global leadership, American innovation, American manufacturing.

That has disintegrated over the course of the last 15, 20 years. And now we can't even depend on our laws or our government or our constitution to protect us because we've seen so many constitutional rights being violated all over the map just over the last few years, starting with COVID with so many mandates that were unconstitutional. America now has political prisoners. Yes, we do. Many of those people who are imprisoned or being surveilled by our government, those are political dissidents. We have that going on right now.

We have Donald Trump being pulled off of, you know, ballots in different states, you know, that attempts to make sure that you can't vote for who you want to vote for. So a lot, a lot of political instability in America too. Sean, before, before you give more analysis, can I just, cause it's just fine. Can I tell you what, what these billionaires are building? Yes. Tell me what they're building. Okay. So Mark Zuckerberg is Mark Zuckerberg. He doesn't just invest slash meta. That's right. He doesn't just invest in messing up and interfering in elections in Wisconsin. Right. He does more than that. He does more than that. He is building a $100 million hidden fortress underneath his Hawaiian Island ranch. Um, it has its own energy, its own food supply. It has blast resistant doors, Idaho's richest man. I don't know if you know this, Sean, he's a wellness entrepreneur. His name is Frank Vander Sloot. He bought a $2,000

ranch, um, just South of Zuckerberg's, um, compound in Hawaii. So I guess Hawaii is a place that people feel like if something goes wrong, Hawaii is just far enough away. If we can keep our own energy there and food supply and blast resistant doors, we can live there. He spent 51 million there. Open AI CEO, Sam Altman, he and Peter Thiel have decided that New Zealand's the place to go. They have together some sort of compound there. And interestingly, there is a nonprofit. It's a coalition of physicists and other researchers. And they have what's called the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists.

They set their doomsday clock, 90 seconds to midnight, which is the closest that they say humanity has been to doomsday in that clock in 76 years of the history of that clock. So, again, that time bomb that people think, no pun intended there, but people feeling just that fear is building and the billionaires are reacting. Now, people who may not be a billionaire like Mark Zuckerberg, they're like, well, maybe I can afford a $1.5 million survival contract. And as I said, the New York Times did a story. They were able to go in. These are nuke-proof war shelters, if you will, but they're super luxe. They have designer furniture, pools, hot tubs, screens on the walls, so you can see outside and see what's going on. There's special air filtration in case there's contamination in the air. They have wind

turbines and solar panels so that they have electricity. And they also have an area so that you can plant and fish farm. I guess that's available to them as well. So people at all income levels are doing this. People we know are just going, I'm'm gonna buy a little piece of you know five acres somewhere in the mountains i i know people who bought compounds in the mountains of um of tennessee um so they just have like you know 20 acres and they have little tiny cabins so that each family can live in the in the cabins so first all, you're building a bunker. Let's unpack this. You're going to build a bunker because you're afraid there could be nuclear war. And your power source is a windmill and solar panels. I guarantee you, your solar panels aren't going to work and your

windmills aren't going to work. You're going to be powerless as you sit down in your little bunker. I'm sure they've worked all this out. They've convinced people to pay 1.5 million. So if you have some nuclear reactor that's gonna work for your bunker, great. Or if you have a whole bunch of diesel or propane that can, you know, put, you mean, turn the lights on, that's another thing. So set that aside.

Listen, I don't, listen, we're gonna get vaporized with nuclear war. I don't, that's not gonna happen, I don't think. But I going to get vaporized with nuclear war. I don't, that's not going to happen. I don't think. Um, but I do think I do. And I've, and I've said this on our show. It's not going to happen, Sean, but the Daily Mail even, I mean, this is how much people are afraid to me. I'm just saying, I know, I know. But even the Daily Mail is having articles. I mean, listen, the Daily Mail is pop culture, right? They'll do everything from politics to, you know, Daily Mail is pop culture, right? They'll do everything from politics to, you know, the latest on Taylor Swift or the royal family. And they are doing articles on where's the best place to live in case there's a nuclear war.

And what I'm saying is people are afraid of World War Three. The political speeches from Donald Trump last week brought that up, saying, hey, we may be entering into World War Three with Joe Biden. I mean, these are things that into World War III with Joe Biden. I mean, these are things that we never thought about in prior elections. They're suddenly on the table. So just let me, so there's this moment in time, there was a time when we had mutual assured destruction, where we had the US and the Soviet Union missiles pointed at each other. If one launched the other launch, humanity is wiped out the face of the earth. The truth today is so many countries have nuclear weapons, and you rely on these countries and the sanity of those countries to make sure they don't

use them. We're fearful about arms, nuclear arms race in the Middle East. You know, Iran gets weapons to Saudi Arabia, get weapons. Like how does, how does that build out? That aside, I think the bigger concern, this has been mine. I'm like, you know, I think there is a concerted effort in a political movement to attack our food supply. There's a concerted effort to attack our energy supply. Our politics are being undermined and there might be very challenging political times ahead of us. We see the violence that's used by the left riding through the streets, riding in, you know, DC, yelling at, you know, Rand Paul and Dan Bongino, um, in the last, in the last, in the last several years. And so I look at this and go, you know what? I just want to know how to do shit. Um, and so I want to get

a farm. We've talked about that. I think to grow your own food, to know how to can your own food, to have some, you know, you have some chickens and maybe some hogs and you can get eggs and you can have some, some meat, simple things. And that's actually, it's not simple, but to learn how to do different things, I think really matters. To not be so dependent on the system. That's right. And I think a lot of people are doing that. How do I become less dependent? I'm going to, And I think a lot of people are doing that. How do I become less dependent? I'm going to get bees.

I'm going to try my hand at beekeeping. Love honey. And so that's what I think a lot of people. And then I know that in my own family, they've bought the 20-year, the last for 20-year food supply or a generator that they can generate electricity from a solar panel. People are making those kind of purchases. electricity from a solar panel. People are making those kind of purchases because if you can't go to the grocery store, all of a sudden you have a food supply that might last you a week, a month, but real problems exist. We saw this with toilet paper in COVID. Everyone goes to the grocery store and as needed buys toilet paper until toilet paper doesn't exist and there's a run on it. And all of a sudden people have some

real crappy issues to deal with when they can't get toilet paper. Or they, people are just over buying because they're afraid that there's going to be a shortage or whatever. That was over buying then. But my point is when it went away, you realize that you don't have enough to last an eternity. You rely on your grocery store or Walmart or Costco to fund that supply. And I think a lot of people are like, you know what, when they saw the supply chain break, they decided there are certain items, paper towels, toilet paper, things like that, some medicines that don't go bad, don't expire, and they can keep them on hand just in case. I think it comes down to this. I mean,

for the billionaires to do, you know, for Mark Zuckerberg to build a bunker, which by the way, I have a lot of, I've seen the images of what he's doing. The people who are building this underground bunker, and it is elaborate. If you see the drawings for it, it goes deep, deep down under how Mark Zuckerberg got the permit to do this with all their eco, you know, I mean, he must be disrupting so many ecological, you know, forms of life underground in beautiful Hawaii. I don't know how he's getting all the materials sent over to this, you know know fairly remote island um it's one of the more remote islands in hawaii you know how he's getting all this sent over he is his own

the carbon footprint for just mark zuckerberg and his ridiculous ranch with his like what he has like two kids um i don't know how he got the permits i don't know how he's he's breaking all these rules barack obama by the way breaking lots lots of eco rules in Hawaii, getting walls built on this pristine beach that he has his mansion on. So they just live by a different set of rules. The point is, for them, it'd be like me and you saying, let's put aside $100 to buy some extra toilet paper in case there's a run on toilet paper later. That's probably what it costs. You know, Mark Zuckerberg, he doesn't know what to do with all the money he has. And that's why this whole system is becoming so we're seeing, and I think that's another fear, we're entering

into a more feudal system where we have these ultra, just obscenely rich people like Bezos and Zuckerberg and Altman and all these people. And they're just so filthy rich. They don't know what to do with their money. And then there's so many more people struggling to get by. And I think that sort of feudal system that that liberal policies are creating this disparity between the haves and have nots that's becoming more accentuated is part of liberal policies. They're happening right now. And COVID accelerated that. We saw this enormous transfer of wealth from, you know, small business owners to these oligarchical, you know, oligarchs that we have now. oligarchs that we have now. And I think that it's scary. So I find this interesting. You have the likes of Mark Zuckerberg that promote a president that is undermining the very American system that has allowed for people to actually very readily buy

things and have the money to get things, whether it's getting food or energy for their family. He has aggressively worked to undermine that. And he's used climate change to do it as to your point, his, his carbon footprint is massive. But that's okay for Mark Zuckerberg. But he's concerned about what's going to come and therefore build a bunker. But it's his very ideas that are creating the instability in our society and our culture, which I think that's fascinating. And a lot of these liberal billionaires who are building bunkers, their policies are the ones that are driving the instability and angst. And I look at this and I think, okay, sometimes I think I'm crazy until I bring up my crazy to people and they're like, well, we're doing this too or we're doing that or we've thought about this. But when the billionaires are to a way greater extent doing things that we've talked about, I'm like, maybe we're not so crazy.

And to be prepared as a family, to fortify your family, we talk about that with the family itself. We talk about it with our faith, making sure we can take care of ourselves. Those are important things. And that you think about that. Again, just to make this point, 80 years ago, this is not an issue because Americans lived on farms and they knew how to do all this stuff. They were self-reliant. Right now, so many of us are not self-reliant. We rely on the system. And I think there's a movement to say, I want to be more self-reliant. I want to be able to take care of myself and my family. And I think that's where this is coming from. And in the end, I think this is a really good trait. More Americans-

Becoming more self-reliant. More independent, more self-reliant. There's a there's a feeling of freedom that comes from that. Yeah. And even have these little little little liberal Gen Zers have that touch or freedom that they can take care of themselves is probably a really good thing for democracy. I think it is good. And I think the other part of the other flip side of this is, you know, and it's great to be prepared. It's great to learn new skills. and it's great to be prepared. It's great to learn new skills. It's great to revive the kind of skill sets that our grandparents had that we've lost.

Yes. I think it's all fantastic. And by the way, our podcast with our farmer, what's, Joel? Yeah, Joel, not Olsteen. Gosh, why are we? Why are we? I'm going to get his last name? Oh my gosh. It was one of our favorite podcasts that we've ever done on homesteading. And so I think there's a real desire for that. And I think that

that's great. But I think the other flip side... Joel Salatin. Oh God, that's right. Go back and listen to that podcast. It's fantastic. And we talk about specifically the homestead part of this discussion really in depth. And it's one of our most popular podcasts that we've ever done. And it's fantastic. And I think that's all great. The Farm is the New 401k from Joel. The Farm is the New 401k was the name of that podcast. And you should absolutely go back and listen to that. It's a fantastic one. But the other side of this, the other component is the spiritual side. I'm reading a book by a theologian, Scott Hahn, called Catholics in Exile, but it applies to all Christians. We are in exile. This is not our home.

And so the other part in finding peace is, of course, the stuff we're talking about in this podcast, being self-reliant, being prepared. But Earth is not really our home. We are in exile. We are people who've always been in exile, if you look at it from biblical times. And our true home is in heaven. it doesn't mean that we shouldn't enjoy life here and make the most of it and and build relationships but those relationships that we're building um and that should be our focus on building our tribe building our relationship keeping our faith as strong and as grounded as we can, because ultimately our true home is not the bunker in the Hawaiian islands on this lonely ranch with Mark Zuckerberg. It sounds like a really

horrible existence, actually, if you ask me. As beautiful as I'm sure it is, I would not want to be there with Mark Zuckerberg. He seems like kind of a weirdo. And I don't want to live in his lonely little ranch over there. I want to live with my family, my little tribe, my big tribe, actually. You have a big tribe. I have a big tribe. And I want to build those bonds because ultimately my goal is to get this tribe to heaven. And that's our true home. And I hope that that's where these discussions ultimately lead people because we shouldn't be afraid of all the things that are happening in the world. They're crazy and they're concerning and we should be trying to do the best

we can to make this place a wonderful place and put the right leaders in place who have, you know, our best interests in mind. But ultimately this is not our home. And I think it's, again, it's fortifying all parts of our life and being self-reliant. I think what's interesting, Joel Salatin made this point. He said- The farmer. The farmer. Our favorite farmer. It was a great, it was such a fun podcast.

But what he was talking about is you have a food system where you have all these massive big farms that consolidate their grains into four or five big processing centers. Same thing with meat. Big farms and four big meat processors throughout the country. their grains into, you know, four or five big processing centers. Same thing with meat, big farms and, you know, four big meat processors throughout the country. And the point was, there's not a lot of resilience in that. Resilience comes from a whole bunch of people on little farms and a whole bunch of little meat processors and food processors that build resiliency throughout a country. And that made a lot of sense to me. And more people going back. Again, Democrats are progressives.

This is not people. We're not progressing. We're actually reverting back to some of the ideas that our grandparents and great great grandfathers had, which is, again, it was a great country then. So not bad that we're. It's not just resiliency. It's that when you consolidate all your grains or your meat processing into these big, giant things, these big, giant companies, you don't really have control over what really is happening to your meat or how your meat was raised. And so if you have a farmer down the road that you can buy your meat from or your butter or your milk, you kind of know you have such a much more direct control over you.

You know them. Closer to your food supply. And you know them. And they will tell you, this is how I raised. When we got our pig, that farmer told me, this is where my pigs are. I could see them. We drove by the pigs. We drove by.

Every day we drive by the pigs. We go, that pig's not going to be here very long. And we knew there were walnut trees there that they were, you know. They were roaming around. They were roaming around. I knew what they were eating. My farmer told me what he was feeding them. And I knew where they were getting processed and killed.

So these are the kinds. I think it's not just resiliency in the food supply. It's how do we eat more healthy? Because also being healthier means we're less dependent on medicines and on big pharma and on hospitals. We take care of ourselves better. And a lot of these medicines are coming from China. So you're confident with China.

You may not see yourself getting the medicines that you need. So try to get healthy. Fascinating conversation. I love our topics, politics, joy read in the crazy left on trying to over-sexualize our children and celebrating the rape of children. Too bad. But also, that all leads into this idea that people are trying to protect themselves, whether they're rich with bunkers or people that have a garden to a little mini farm, trying to think through how they are more resilient as a family. So great conversation. I want to thank you all for joining us at The Kitchen Table.

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