From the Kitchen Table: The Duffys - What Are Giant Companies Really Putting In Our Food?

Episode Date: January 12, 2024

If you take a look at grocery store aisles across America, it's likely the majority of the food you'll pass is loaded with chemical ingredients you can't even pronounce. Yet, the majority of Americans have let that become the norm, without wondering how eating this food and feeding it to their children is contributing to the growing amount of sickness and disease we see in our country. The good news is, people like author and TrueMed co-founder Calley Means are calling out the food industry. Calley joins Sean and Rachel this week to discuss the ways the food industry and government seem to promote an unhealthy diet, and how it's impacting our kids, farmers, and those who live in poverty.   Later Calley discusses how he breaks down this broken system in his new book, 'Good Energy,' that's set to hit shelves in May of 2024. Follow Sean & Rachel on Twitter: @SeanDuffyWI & @RCamposDuffy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hey everyone, welcome to From the Kitchen Table. I'm Sean Duffy, along with my co-host for the podcast. She is my partner in life. She's also my wife, Rachel Campos Duffy. Sean, it's great to be at the kitchen table and talking about something. There's a lot of things I'm passionate about. We're both super passionate about food, how it's impacting, negatively impacting our country. about food, how it's impacting, negatively impacting our country. And there is one person, and he is our guest today, who I think is at the tip of the spear on this issue,

is sounding the alarms and is getting this information out in a way that I think is really accessible. And it's so important. And so let's, with no further ado, bring in Callie Means. He's the author of True Medicine. He has an upcoming book that he's, with no further ado, bring in Callie Means. He's the author of True Medicine. He has an upcoming book that he's written with his sister, who's a doctor, a Stanford graduate doctor. And the book is called Good Energy. Callie, great to have you on. I'm pumped to be here, Rachel, and digging into this important issue.

Oh, awesome. Well, let's start with this because there's a lot of big news in international news that I think is affecting food and sort of the global supply. And one of the places that we're seeing is in Germany. The farmers are on strike. protests, which has been very successful and massive and really underreported, is that they're trying to basically tax the diesel or take away some of the subsidies, which ends up being like a tax for them. And so the farmers just have it. I mean, they've been trying to irritate them and take away their land in all kinds of ways. And this latest one in Germany is massive. What do you know about it? What can you tell me? What can you tell our viewers about the grand

scheme, the grand plan of the globalists on the farmers? It's a tale as old as time. Follow the money. And I think 2024, Rachel, I think it's a year where a lot of dots are going to be connected. We started this year with the president of Harvard getting fired. And I think 2024, Rachel, I think it's a year where a lot of dots are going to be connected. We started this year with the president of Harvard getting fired. And I think we're really realizing the incompetence of elites. And it really goes to all the industrial complexes, the education industrial complex, the health industrial complex, the climate industrial complex. And you have these elites pushing these ideologies that are absolutely putting a hammer on the backs of farmers, are absolutely crushing farmers. These ridiculous things that they need to do to abide by the climate ideology, which is frankly an ideology that's putting trillions of dollars into these elites' pockets. So in Germany, you know, and in the US, people are saying enough. And this is

societally disastrous, because as we get farmers more and more away from from doing what they do best from from growing great natural food, as we as we put more restrictions and more difficulties on them doing their jobs, you know, it impacts our food, it impacts our health, it impacts our economy, we're bringing them more and more away from nature, you know, due to really, I would say greed. And that's bubbling up throughout the Western world. It's bubbling up with the politicians, we're seeing gain popularity, it's, it's bubbling up with protests. And, and I think it's just an example of what's to increase the income in the United States, where I think farmers have had enough. You know, Kelly, human health and what humans eat, we can go back hundreds, thousands of years. There are certain things that we've eaten over the course of

centuries that make the human body healthy. And these weird, bizarro elites have a new set of ideas. And I think they're packaging it in the Green Agenda, but if they can attack the farmer, right, and we can have less farms or more elites in control of farms and you can drive up the cost of really good, healthy, nutritious food, then they can say, well, listen, we have lab-grown food for you or we have bugs for you that's affordable, and actually it's just as nutritious. lab-grown food for you, or we have bugs for you that's affordable. And actually,

it's just as nutritious. By the way, I think that if bugs and bizarre forms of food were healthy for us, I think our forefathers would have figured that out hundreds of years ago. Or the elites would be eating it right now. They don't want it. They're eating steak, and they're trying to give it to us. So I think that's what's at play. If you can attack the farm, you can control the food supply. And if you control the food supply, you control the people. Am I wrong on that, Kelly? No, we have a spiritual crisis right here. And I think any elite person you can think of, their children are off social media. They're feeding. They're very skeptical about food.

They're very skeptical about pharma. And they're pushing all the stuff they would never be pushing on their children, on the American people. And there's a deep spiritual element to it where this is what feeds our body. This is what is absolutely existential to our human thriving. And I think it's a very important issue to unpack, Sean, because I've been a conservative all my life. And I used to lobby for the food industry. And I thought I was on God's side, arguing against regulation and arguing against the nanny state, you know, putting the hammer down on these big food companies. What I have actually realized is what I was doing was I was caught up in a perversion of conservative principles.

What's actually happened is these companies, these large industries have actually co-opted the free market. They've lobbied, you know, the farm industry particularly spends five times more than the oil industry on lobbying. The food industry is number two. And they've made it okay to basically self-police and have a monocropping situation that has created, you know, very poisonous food to put thousands, literally thousands of additives in our food that aren't legal in any other developed country. to take our percentage of ultra processed food from about 0% 100 years ago to close to 70% today, with core ingredients that really weren't in existence 100 years ago that our bodies not evolutionarily or biologically made to handle,

you know, we've really actually been had a corruption of the free market. And I think calling these things out, making this like basic statement that as the foundation, I think of a conservative philosophy, understanding the core of what contributes to individual thriving, which is feeding our body with non-toxic inputs. You know, we need to get back to that. I need to question that. I need to question this crony capitalism that's happened. And the other thing I saw, just real quick, Sean, I think it ties to what you started with is, is I really think these unimpeachable ideas, the climate philosophy, DEI,

working for these companies, they know how to weaponize these things, right? If the media and the government have all agreed that you can't question a climate ideology, you can't question, you know, when somebody is called racist, they weaponize these arguments. You know, the food companies, they'll call anyone who calls for healthy food, for non-poisoned food, they'll call you classist and racist because poor people can't afford that food. We've literally made it a luxury to not be poisoned in America. And of course, you'll be called a climate denier for saying that people should eat beef, which they've been doing since the dawn of humans. Before we move on, so if you see, there's interesting pictures that you'll see online. Just a random picture from the early 1970s and a picture today, both in the same diner. And you see, even back in the 70s, you have all of

these, you know, really skinny, healthy looking Americans. And then you transition to today in that same diner, and everyone is overweight, everyone looks unhealthy, everyone looks obese. And to your point on ultra processed foods, is there a correlation between when all these processed foods, these additives, this transition into the process versus the whole food, when that happened, is that when we started to see the weight gain and the health issues arise in America? Absolutely. It started with good intentions, Sean. After World War II, we became the breadbasket of the world. And the processing is making it shelf stable. So we did a lot of things to ship food around the world to

make it shelf stable. That was then co-opted. And what's happened, and I think a key thing happened in the 80s when cigarettes became less popular, thousands of scientists went from the cigarette companies to food companies. And now food companies are one of the biggest employers of scientists in the world. And ultra processed food, when you look at all those ingredients, you don't understand those are science experiments to make that food addictive. And then the food is included in that food is cheap, addictive ingredients, you know, that are literally engineered for us to eat more. And the ingredients that we should have in there, obviously, we've talked about these a lot, but

sugar, we eat 100 times more than we did 100 years ago, because it's sneaking into this ultra processed food, seed oils, an industrial byproduct that was really just created 100 years ago, literally by John D. Rockefeller as a byproduct of oil. He then lobbied to make it legal for food. It's now the top source of American calories, very inflammatory fat, and then processed grains, the processing takes the fiber off. So it's basically a hidden sugar when it hits our bloodstream. Those are the foundation of ultra processed food and the foundation of the American diet. So all you have to do to look at what happened in the 70s in those pictures and today is you look at the increase in ultra processed food. It's not complicated. And we're talking about a Zempic and all the obesity crisis,

how complicated it is. We keep hearing that it's not complicated. If we took our ultra processed food consumption as a country from 70% to 30%, we wouldn't have an obesity crisis. We wouldn't have a heart disease crisis. We wouldn't have a diabetes crisis we wouldn't have a heart disease crisis we wouldn't have a diabetes crisis all you have to do is look at japan where the obesity rate is five times lower the diabetes rate is seven times lower the life expectancy in japan is seven years more than america that's huge that that's a very significant gap um so so so this is very doable and again this is not the i wanted again, this is not the... I wanted to say this to my conservative friends, and I'm one too. This is not nanny state to question these industries.

What has happened is they perverted conservative principles to rig the system. We need to unrig the system. I was there as well, and I get the argument. I get the light touch and let them go. And in the end, they're trying to poison. They're hurting people. And just, I'm going to're trying to poison. They're, they're hurting people. And just, I'm going to kick it to Rachel.

They have an unfair advantage though. I mean, when you have that much money lobbying, you know, you know, the, the, the apple industry is probably not the organic apple industry.

The broccoli industry, the broccoli industry, even, even these small farms that are, you know, creating grass, you know, that are producing grass fed, healthy red meat. They don't have the same kind of small farmers. But by the way, just to this point, when you talk about the cost of all this, the most expensive thing in the federal budget is Medicare and Medicaid is health care. And this government were worth thirty $33 trillion in debt. If you

want to get your hands around the budget, make Americans healthier. The upfront cost of spending less on food on the store shelf, you might spend less in food stamps to help people buy processed food. But if you get them healthy food, in the long run, on the back end, you're not going to spend all this money on health care for them. And so the financial incentive for the government would make sense to keep people healthy, have foods that are healthy. But instead, we'll make a small group of people very wealthy, poisoning Americans instead. Listen, I pay a lot of money in taxes. In fact, I was just talking about our tax bill and I wanted to throw up the other day. I mean, literally throw up at how much I'm paying in taxes.

But if you told me that money was going to pay for food stamps, basically, if you're going to subsidize apples for poor people and good meat and healthy food that's whole and natural for kids who are

hungry, oh my God. Not ice cream, not pasta, not pizzas, not Coca-Cola. I mean, I would do that in a heartbeat. Rachel, I think it's even worse. What that money is doing, what your tax dollars are doing, $10 billion a year are literally going from the federal treasury to soda companies, as we've talked about before. You just can't wrap your head around this. On food stamps, the number one item purchased on food stamps is soda. 10% of all food stamp money. This program that 15% of the American people are relying on for nutrition, supplemental

nutrition assistance program. You have the federal school lunches. It's one of the top sources. Federally funded school lunches where your tax dollars are going are one of the top sources of American calories. Michelle Obama in the first year was actually right calling this out, but it shouldn't have been the first lady. It should have been the president. It should have been the secretary

of defense. And it should have been the secretary of treasury. And she got completely bought off. And now is a spokesperson for sugar drinks. So, and the companies got to her. So, so, uh, particularly from, um, the secretary, uh, of state, uh, the Heinz family. So, John Kerry. So, yeah, 100%. So, your tax dollars right now are going, if you add it all up, over $100 billion a year directly from the Treasury to ultra-processed food companies, which is underwriting, of course, trillions of dollars of downstream health impacts. There was a recent Wall Street Journal article saying that cancer rates are skyrocketing among kids. The article is, nobody knows why. We're baffled. Last month, there was a New York Times article saying that puberty rates are plummeting among children. Children are hitting puberty much earlier.

Nobody knows why. Quoted, we know why here. We have hormone disrupting chemicals in our food. We're eating things that were not biologically made to eat. And again, as a conservative, I want to just say, let's look at the $4 trillion we spend on healthcare. Let's look at the hundreds of billions of dollars we do to subsidize food. And let's just say, what's the best public policy we can use with that money? It is not poisoning children. If we poison children, it ruins our human capital and creates trillions of dollars of downstream health impacts. And it's just a disaster from a conservative mindset where we believe that the individual

is so important. We need to empower the individual. The central focus. Yeah. I think that people are onto it, Callie. There was another Wall Street Journal article on the title. This one just came out. It says, is America's ultra processed diet that bad? Yeah. Food fights back. OK, so what's happening? And I read this article and please add your thoughts on it.

I read this article and here's my takeaway. My takeaway is American people are on to ultra-processed food. They're figuring out that this is bad. And the ultra-processed food lobby and so-called scientists are now coming to the government and saying, because I guess the government wants to put, like, labels. They're considering, and by the way, this isn't anything that's going to happen soon. This is like down the road, right. You know, after how many studies and how many, you know, people had the, the wallets of God knows how many politicians in their packs and so forth, which is probably never going to happen. But the idea was, let's put a label on ultra-processed, on different foods that are ultra-processed

so people know that they're ultra-processed. And now the big food comes in and says, oh, we're really worried about this label because they're super altruistic and they're such good guys and they want to help us out. And they're so worried that we're going to get confused by these labels and that people might not understand it and then people might starve because they won't get cheap, you know, mac and cheese

and might not buy it because of that. And so there's this huge pushback. They're already seeing this, that people are catching on and want these labels so people understand what they're buying. What's your take from the article? Yeah. And Sean, I'm curious your take here because what I saw when working for these companies is there's a really clear strategy is

that you rig the system. You basically make it that the only food people can afford is ultra processed poisonous crap. And then when people try to reel that back and say, well, why are we poisoning all these kids? You say it's too expensive to not poison people. That's literally, that's literally, they say the quiet part out loud in this article. They literally say, quote it, that it will be too expensive to unwind this ultra processed food system that we have. They don't dispute that it's poisoning Americans leading to a 33% pre-diabetes rate among teens, a 50% of teens having obesity or being overweight, and 25% of teens now having fatty liver disease. They don't even dispute that. They don't even

dispute that correlation. They don't dispute the correlation about skyrocketing cancer rates among teens right now. They're not even arguing that. They're just saying it's going to be too expensive to unpoison teens, which just factually is completely incorrect. As we've talked about, the best thing we can possibly do for the budget is stop poisoning Americans, which is going to be too expensive to unpoison teens, which just factually is completely incorrect. As we've talked about, the best thing we can possibly do for the budget is stop poisoning Americans, which is going to lead to trillions of dollars of downstream health impacts. But Sean, I've been in touch with a couple of members recently on this who are saying they're just getting bombarded with study after study saying how disastrous it would be for the economy, how the nutrition studies that are rigged are kind of confusing the issue.

I'm just curious if you saw that. It seems to me like they rigged the system, and then they argue it's too expensive to unrig the system, and a lot of people kind of seem to be stuck around that. It's a really good question because, again, when you're in Congress, a number of people will come through your door to talk to you about issues that they care about. And you can't be an expert on everything. Right. So I would be a better congressman today on this issue than I was eight years ago when they would come into my office because I've this issue I care about. And I'm not Kelly Means, but I'm you know,

we've we've always wanted to be healthy, but we probably it's been over the last since COVID even more so. But here's what they do. So it's not just the studies, Callie, that they that they look at. They'll also message test what's going to work with liberals when we go into their offices, what's going to work with conservatives on the messaging side to get them in line with with our objectives. And they have a ton of money to do it. And again, you haven't message tested when you're going to talk to a member of Congress because you don't have the money to do it. I'm just going to tell you the truth. I'm just going to talk to you from my heart.

Yeah, you haven't tested what words and phrases are going to work to move that member of Congress. They have the money and that's what they do. And, you know, in the end, I just, as a conservative myself, I thought, well, isn't it better that we let with supplemental, um, food help, right? So food stamps, let people choose what they want to eat, give them the choice. I believe in freedom, right? Well, uh, actually I have a vested interest as, as, as the government to make sure, no, they're actually choosing and picking really good foods.

So at the back end, I'm not going to pay for their health care. And this is kind of antithetical to conservatism. But it's actually not. If you're in the system and you're getting food stamps, we have to be concerned about your health. And I don't think conservatives, they have a really hard time wrapping their head around it. And to talk, I think you have to talk about, you know, a really hard time wrapping their head around it. And to talk, I think you have to talk about, you know, budgets, sickness, chronic illnesses that I think will drive people. But again, they think about all kinds of things. They get all kinds of issues in one day. How do you get them to say, we're poisoning people, right? This is unhealthy. We've never done it before. We're fatter and sicker than anyone else on the planet. Maybe we should change course. Maybe it's what we actually put in our bodies that's causing the illness and the sickness and the obesity.

And we should change course as the federal government. And the villains in the story are big food. They don't care about your health. They don't care about the federal budget. They don't care about health care costs. They just care about making money off of you as a conduit to federal giveaways. But the food stamp in the name, it says nutrition. Yeah. Supplemental nutrition. Yeah.

So, I mean, Coca-Cola should not fit into nutrition. Or Pepsi or potato chips. Well, Sean, you know, 10 years ago, probably trying to influence you, working for the food companies, we had the left strategy and the right strategy. The left strategy was to pay off the NAACP to say it was racist to take away coke and choice from poor kids. And the right was around the nanny state. And it took me a while to really unpack that. I think what I liken it to is I, you know, think alcohol should be legal. I don't think the government should be recommending and subsidizing alcohol, particularly for kids.

I don't think cigarettes should be banned in the country. I'm actually libertarian. I think most drugs should be legal. I don't think they should be subsidized and recommended. So there is, you know, I don't think anyone would disagree with that that would betray conservative principles to not, you know, subsidize these things. What we're doing is it's, it's actually not even a choice thing. We're literally subsidizing and pushing these addictive, um, these addictive substances. Uh, soda by all accounts is a highly addictive substance and an addictive drug. Um, so no, it's, it's been, it's been a process for me. And the other thing I'll just say, speaking to members today is that's exactly what they're saying.

I mean, they have kids and they're devastated about what's happening in classrooms. You go into any classroom right now, Rachel, and I know you know this. It's like there's clearly something happening among children and among children's health. But I think this ties the Harvard thing and this absolutely bankruptcy of our elite institutions. These institutions get bought off. It's study after study. There's been 50,000 nutrition studies produced in the last two years. And I will tell you, nutrition studies are nothing more than public relations documents for ultra processed food.

You do not need studies saying broccoli or pasture raised beef is good or natural food is good. The only purpose of these studies is to go to members of Congress and other decision makers and say that, you know, Lucky Charms might be better than beef, which is what the NIH actually says today. I know. It's just crazy. I mean, my head is exploding with so many things. I want to get back to the climate stuff because that's driving a lot of the weird foods that we're not, our bodies can't process as well. But before we get to that, and I want to play a clip from the WHO on what they're doing. So before we get to that. As we go into that, Callie, I am just trying to make my earpiece work so I can hear you. That's what I'm doing here. I deal with technical

difficulties in front of everybody. I wonder if this one, you could switch it out for this one, Shondon. So before we get to that, Callie, I want to talk about the first processed foods that our kids get. And you and I have talked about this before, and we're both passionate about the importance of breastfeeding and what big food is doing to push synthetic breast milk formula and sort of get kids, babies, infants, newborns on that conveyor belt right out of the womb onto the ultra-processed conveyor belt. Talk to me about breast milk, how that plays into all of this and how important it is for that industry to get people on this right away. I think the breast milk argument really goes into the corruption I saw with academic research. So there are hundreds of studies right now being funded on breastfeeding and almost all of them are funded by formula companies. Once those studies are created, you then have this, you know, really, it's just a

fetish of people talking about, you know, the peer reviewed research and just using this research as a crudgel to say anyone's anti-science if they disagree with the research. So you have a lot of influencers now saying that the research says that it's really, it's really a coin flip. It's really, you know, in some ways, there's actually studies now saying formula feeding is actually better. And you're actually anti-science. Oh, there's actually studies now saying formula feeding is actually better. And you're actually anti-science. There's advertising. Yeah. It's all about the advertising. No, no.

On the label, it's saying it's better than breast milk. And I think somebody tried to sue them for that because that was such obvious BS. You know, these companies, these large companies, right, they don't fund hundreds of millions of dollars research out of a philanthropic goodwill. They are funding, and, you know, Harvard and top institutions are for sale, right? They don't fund hundreds of millions of dollars research out of a philanthropic goodwill. They are funding and, you know, Harvard and top institutions are for sale, right? These professors need research grants. They do the study and they put that on label. They do that to lobby Congress. They do that to advertise. And they do that for all of the media, frankly, who they're also paying to say that the data is clear, right? And you have, frankly, Emily Oster, who I do agree with on some stuff, but she's now kind of anti-breastfeeding in a way.

And she's the data nerd. So these data nerds, they're not understanding that the studies are funded by the formula companies. There's not a breastfeeding lobby. And then I think we need to take a more spiritual stance here and a slightly wider stance here. Do we think if we're

still around in 300 years, that we're going to look back to our knowledge about the miracle of birth and the miracle of life creation today and think we knew anything? Like, we are now intervening with birth, have a 35% C-section rate, which we're told is totally fine. I was born with a C-section, but like, we're intervening across every single area of birth from this high C-section rate to basically a war on breastfeeding. You know, I can tell you from my wife and watching this, I have no, you know, I know this is a personal journey for every single person, but as a matter of public policy, as a matter of culture, this is a magical, between a mother and a newborn infant through breastfeeding that anyone would try for profit to disrupt that moment is truly a moral, something very immoral. And again, it gets kids on ultra-processed stuff very early on. And I think it's got to change metabolically their bodies in ways we have no idea.

Well, there's research on this, Rachel. It profoundly impacts the microbiome and the bacteria that actually influences almost everything in your development. We know increasingly that what happens in the first two years has profound impacts for the rest of the baby's life and sets a lot of the patterns. And I mean, as you know, the mother can actually calibrate specific needs for that child based on whether they're sick, they can sense the temperature through breastfeed. I mean, it's absolutely magical. So on the nutrition element, it obviously, this is a process that's been evolutionarily built to be literally perfect. So it obviously is the right nutritional and spiritual situation. Yeah. And it's, and it's incontrovertible. It's a great example of how the point of the spending, the point of the lobbying, the point of the buying

off institutions is to make us believe things that are obviously not true. It is obviously not true. As the NIH recently said that a diet, 91% in ultra processed food could be just as healthy as a natural food diet. They literally just guided that. I mean, these are things that we just obviously don't make sense. We're being told that meat is the cause of global warming and terrible, but ultra processed garbage is what we should be. I mean, we are living in a bizarre world. And again, I've never been, I always thought this was a kind of hippie arguments, talking about food and talking about farming. This is what we're eating. This is what we're putting in our bodies. This is what kids, you know, this is directly related to this disaster we're seeing on chronic conditions and mental health conditions among kids. you know, this is directly related to this disaster we're seeing on chronic conditions

and mental health conditions among kids. I mean, this is it. This is the core element of building our human capital. You know, Kelly, I can't, I'm not going to blame big food, you know, Similac or big pharma. I get they're there and they want to make money. They want to make products that they can sell to us and make a huge profit. I get that. What I can't excuse, though, is the federal government taking on these issues that aren't in the best interest of their society. Whether it's breast milk or it's these ultra-processed foods. Sean, I don't know if you've heard this, but actually there's been articles recently that exercise is now an alt-right activity. And literally healthy eating, natural food, exercise.

These are all literally being labeled by Rolling Stone, the New York Times as right way activity. I'm actually encouraged by this because this has generally been, as you said, a province of the left. Now it's becoming big on the right. I think there's actually a bipartisan awakening that we're really being lied to and that we actually have a lot more similarities, connections that we're led to believe that I think elites that are trying to divide us. I mean, most families want their children to thrive they want to be healthy they want to have one feeding their body um with uh with with good things so i think i think this is positive and uh just one other point about what you said sean and um about um you know it really is in the interest i don't think we should be blaming sorry let me says i don't think we should be blaming the food companies. I agree with that. I actually think Coke and these

formula companies are basically acting within a free market what they should be doing. I mean, I don't think it's moral, but they should be pushing and lobbying and advocating as much as they possibly can for their interests. In a way, that's how our system's built. They're doing what they're supposed to be doing for their shareholders. The problem is that pharma is literally the top funder, the top source of money. And this is amazing, actually, when you break it down, that the top source of money for politicians, that the top source of money for news, for mainstream media, and a lot of the woke media institutions, top source of money for academic research. And they're the top source of money for medical groups that set the standard of care. So they're literally like these industries and food not far behind are actually just funding the decision makers, you know, who are on a revolving door between these industries. between these industries. Dr. Fauci, during his time at his perch at the NIH, doled out hundreds of billions of dollars in grants to pharmaceutical companies. He was actually in charge of many ways chronic diseases in this country. And in the 40 years of his tenure, chronic diseases went from

12% to 65% of the American people, while he doled out hundreds of billions of dollars to pharmaceutical companies who profited from that and kept him in that job. So that's how it works. And it's, I think, really around money. And it's a moral crisis. And Rachel, we've talked about this, but I am heartened that when you look at the polls, 70% of support in a general election is going to Donald Trump or RFK, outsiders who are actually preaching a message of taking on this crony capitalist structure that I really think is

the biggest problem in America. And health care is at the top of that and food is at the top of that. So I do think people are waking up to this. We'll have more of this conversation after this. Kudlow on Fox Business is now on the go for podcast fans. Get key interviews with the biggest business newsmakers of the day. The Kudlow podcast

will be available on the go after the show every weekday at foxbusinesspodcasts.com or wherever you download your favorite podcasts. Why hasn't Donald Trump, I mean, he has made

some moves in talking about this. He had an Instagram video last summer where he talked about taking on big food and making America healthier and figuring out why we have children with diabetes at exploding levels that we never saw before. But, you know, we're in this presidential cycle and I hate politicizing this issue. I it wasn't so political i think it shouldn't be a bipartisan issue um clearly the left is very much in bed with pharma um and also big food the right

is is being tempted donald trump is an outsider so is rfk jr but donald trump probably has a better shot at the white house um that rfk jr you and i've talked about why hasn't Donald Trump made this a signature issue? If he's having trouble with suburban women, he certainly is. This seems like a logical place for him to stake some ground in and go, you know what, I'm going to take on big food. I'm going to make America healthy again. There is such an opportunity for a national leader to galvanize this issue. And I think polls kind of obfuscate this. If you, kitchen tables of every American, if you summarize what their most important concern is, it's that they feel like their health is getting a little bit worse, that

they're not at their optimal performance, and they're very worried about their children. I think this is the biggest anxiety and the biggest problem. Something is happening, right? The mental health crisis among children, chronic disease rates, they're all getting worse. And we're also, you know, for good measure, will go bankrupt from healthcare costs, because we're all getting so sicker. I mean, healthcare is the largest and fastest growing industry in the country producing worse outcomes for every extra dollar we spend. That's literally going to be the end of the American experiment if we don't get those costs under control, which the only way we can get those costs under control is to stop getting so

sick. It's not going to be a marginal policy improvement. You know, I think it is easier to, frankly, divide and conquer in Congress, but a national leader, the only candidate who's responsible for every single American, the president, I think this can be a core issue. And I think it really aligns well with President Trump, quite frankly. I mean, there's no industry that has been more unfair to him than the pharmaceutical industry that's had the knives out for him, that has misled him, that has worked, frankly, to destroy and discredit him. And I think there's beautiful opportunities for a president on day one to use executive action to really protect children and undermine this industry that has done a lot of damage. I mean,

on day one, you could say simply that no NIH grants go to professors at universities with conflicts of interest. Right now, 80% of NIH grants go to doctors and professors with direct conflicts of interest of what they're studying. Right. And the reason why the left can't take this on is because of climate change. I want to play for you a clip. This is from the WHO, because this is very big. It's much bigger than profits domestically. This is a global effort. And that's why we started this podcast off talking about what's happening to the german farmers what's happening to them is already beginning to take place here and and we're gonna and the way they fought in in germany should be

something we look to um and and and and show how how we can fight back but it took a lot of effort it took a lot of organization um for them to beat back what the government's trying to do to small farms in Germany. But I want you to listen to what the WHO is saying. This is Tedros. He's the head of the WHO. WHO is committed to supporting countries to develop and implement policies to improve diets and fight climate change. I'm therefore very pleased that over 130 countries have signed the COP28 UAE declaration on climate and health. Together, we can protect and promote the health of both people and planet. Okay, so he's saying we actually here at the UN, and by the way, UN, the World Economic Forum, these are, and then all these liberal governments around the world, the EU,

they're all working together in conjunction. And now he's kind of connecting. We're trying to make you healthier, and we're trying to save the planet. Now I want to give you an example of something that they've done to accomplish this dual goal. OK, so they've come up with climate milk. So one of the things that environmentalists are concerned about is that cows release methane when they fart. And so there's been discussion about this for many years that, you knowists um these globalists they're concerned about the climate and and how cow farts are impacting it so someone some scientist somewhere who's studying cow farts has figured out that you can actually ingest or give something um i don't know if it's a chemical that they give to the cows so that the cows now don't fart.

And then they milk these cows. And now they're already selling in Europe. I'm sure it's coming here very shortly. They're selling climate milk. So this is milk coming from cows that have been given a chemical so they don't fart. And you're supposed to feel really great about ingesting this into your own body. It's a poison. And also, it creates fertility issues with probably the cows, but also if you ingest it as well, probably with the people who are drinking the milk.

Well, that's a two-pronged goal for the UN and the WEF, who also want to depopulate our world. I didn't know that part about it, Sean. It's a great point, Sean. And, you know, the saying goes, look at what happens, look at what they do, not what they say. I mean, fertility rates because of hormone disrupting chemicals being shoved in our food and called safe are plummeting. Male sperm counts down more than 50% in a generation. I don't know many people, women of childbearing age who aren't suffering with PCOS. The leading cause of female infertility is absolutely skyrocketing. Miscarriage is skyrocketing.

Gestational diabetes is skyrocketing. This is really unprecedented. We're losing our ability to reproduce, which I can't imagine a more stark evolutionary warning sign. But on this topic of the WHO, I just want to take it kind of to the highest level of what I saw of these organizations. I think when you can define an existential crisis and buy off the government and buy off the media to referee anybody asking a question or nuance or anything nuance or anything and it's just a it's just a doctrine you have a very powerful situation when you created a doctrine and again through money have government entities have international entities media referee the the media you know you guys are obviously warriors here but for the for the vast majority of the media, they used to be investigating the operation,

asking questions about elites. Now, they are uniformly referees for anyone questioning the COVID ideology, for anyone questioning, frankly, an ultra-processed food ideology, for anyone questioning a climate ideology. And my question is, just at the highest level, when we hear this type of statement from the deputy, it showed that we literally have to feed cows poison in order to keep them appropriate, right? Let's just look at COVID, right?

I think we forget we are coming off of the worst public policy mistake led by elites in modern American history. The COVID lockdowns and our response to COVID, which I'd also add, saying that the problem with COVID was lack of a pharmaceutical solution and not the fact that we have a metabolic health crisis where our immune systems, because of the food we're eating, are completely denigrated. And COVID deaths and COVID complications were significantly worse in America versus other countries that have better metabolic health. And there could have been a national rallying cry to fortify our immune systems when literally, you know, there weren't people by and large dying of COVID who weren't already metabolically unhealthy due to our poison food supply and sedentary lifestyle. You know, it was a complete and utter disaster.

The elites completely let us down. down and then they just pivot on a dime to asking us to be poisoning cows stop eating meat shifting our diet to ultra processed food being forced to shove endocrine disrupting chemicals into our children's food starting at birth with um formula that's covered in glyphosate by law by the way formula has to contain um soy because of lobbying from soy farmers. That's covered in glyphosate. I mean, there's clearly something's not adding up. And I think it all goes to this idea. And I think you really have some similarities within COVID industrial complex and the climate industrial complex.

When you create a religion, you can't question it. And that leads to a lot of power. And there's obviously a lot of people. Yeah, if you can't, if when they said, you know, the science is settled on COVID, and no one can question it, we're going to silence anyone was a different view. Some of the brightest scientists in America, they were silenced on social media by the administration. I think it's easy to go, that was wrong. And why didn't they want to hear from those amazing scientists? The same can now be applied when the science is settled on climate change or global warming. You might go, huh, actually science has never settled. We should

always be debating. But the key, I think, is fear. If you can scare the pants off of people to take action and give up their freedom, they will. And they saw that with COVID. And with climate change, you can't really measure it. You can't really see, you know, we can look at their predictions and the predictions that end up being, you know, wrong over the course of time. But when you scare people into believing the climate is going to change and the world's going to end, they will give up a lot of freedom to, you know, protect the earth, protect themselves, protect their parents, their siblings, and protect the next generation. And that's what the elites are relying on. And again, I do think this comes back to control. Kelly, I'm a believer that if they control the food, they can control the energy, and they can control money, they will control us. And again, it's a really odd perversion of what we've had over the course of the last 200 years of a maximizing of freedom to now be in a place where they want to take that freedom away, empower themselves, and leave us as pawns, and that more people are realizing that and fighting back and pushing back against them is always a concern for me. And hopefully there's an awakening

to maybe your point, that people get this and start to realize that what they're promoting, what they're pushing is their lies and they're also poisons. This is, I think, an existential issue. I think it's the biggest issue in the country. I think through so many warriors, again, I liken it to the bankruptcy of Harvard and the Harvard president needing to leave and tying it to the health, tying it to COVID, tying it to the climate's religion. These are all, I think, roots of the same branch tying it to COVID, tying it to the climate religion. These are all, I think, roots of the same branch of trying to keep us in fear, keep us in control.

I think, as you said, Sean, over the past 200 years, the American experiment has got us out of this mindset. Frankly, this fear-based command and control type of situation was most of human history. I think there are some evil people, but there's really an invisible hand at work, really fueled by corporate interests who realize that they can use fear to keep us in line and to help elites. And I think in a way,

this complaints about cancel culture and this complaints about wokeism and this complaints about these issues are kind of marginalized by the media. I think there's nothing more important. There's nothing more important as we enter 2024 than to put the pieces together on the bankruptcy of the elites, the absolute weaponization and corruption of our elite institutions. And the fact, again, it getting to a spiritual, I think, component here that we know more than we give

ourselves credit for. That humans are the only animals that listen to experts on nutrition, but every other animal in the wild is perfectly fine and not obese and not diabetic. That mom actually can use her intuition to figure out what's best for her kids. And that's probably best that, you know, maybe it is okay to write eat natural food um that maybe it is a little bit ridiculous um when we're told that cows need to be poisoned in order to help the climate when in fact actually if you raise a cow in a regenerative way you know the way they're supposed to be raised it's actually uh carbon net control uh the whole problem with with co2 um is our industrial agriculture system which is a whole nother episode that's very important to point out um but yeah i i think i think this is the key

issue going into 2024 and i would just encourage everyone i know a lot of your listeners are on this the real radicalization for me was starting with looking at my young son and looking the interests that are going into the food that's trying to be put into his body and that's where just the things for me i mean that's why i'm on this mission you can just start there just start looking at what's going and what you're being told to put in your kid's mouth just going into the research on how that impact them and their microbiome and impact their brain and their bodies and their development um you can really start unwinding a lot and i think i think any american that just is on that is going to get to a much better answer than

what the elites are telling us. You know, Callie, what I love about what you're doing is also how you're bringing up the spiritual component of it. We touched a bit on it when we talked about the breastfeeding issue, which both of us are very passionate about. It's beyond nutrition. Somebody sent me a TikTok video. And the guy in the video was using AI. He would click in to the computer, show me using AI, show me a $1 pancake. And a picture would show up of a $1

pancake. And they say, show me a $10 pancake. And a picture would show up of a one dollar pancake and they say show me a ten dollar pancake and a picture would show up a little bit more a little fancier and every time you would click in like a hundred dollar pancake it was fancier and you know all the way to a hundred thousand and it had caviar on top of it and then finally he put in uh uh i think he said a hundred a million dollar pancake or something like that. And it was a pancake inside of a spaceship. You know, obviously, it cost that much to do it. And then he put in, show me a priceless pancake.

And it was a mom in the kitchen making pancakes with her little child next to her. And I think that really sums a lot of it up for us. That, first of all, the example that you used about animals not needing studies to figure out what to eat. I mean, the absolute collapse of our old common sense in all of this is a component. And then the other thing is, and Sean and I talk a lot about, you know, eating around the table and cooking together and sort of getting back to base as Sean talks about the homestead. You know, we can't all have a homestead, but we can all make a whole cooked meal and have our family sit around the table and eat that way. And part of why we started to eat in this really

crappy way is because we started to live really crappy lives where we're rushed around so much that we don't make time to do something as essential and beautiful and frankly spiritual as making a whole cooked meal for your family and making sure your family is well nourished um and and we started relying on companies and on processed food ultra processed foods and and on the advice of real weirdos like Bill Gates, people who have very questionable, even personal lives that are just insane. I wouldn't trust Bill Gates or John Kerry or George Soros to watch my child for 10 minutes, let alone inform me on how to eat. let alone inform me on how to eat.

And so I think this is a massive issue because I think it's more than just corruption at Congress, which you and Sean laid out so well. I think this is part of that master plan that Sean's talking about. This digital prison that they're trying to build for us that includes controlling our currency, controlling our energy, and also controlling our food.

And to control our food, they have to convince us that natural food and buying from my farmer next door is not the good stuff, that I need them. And I don't need them. In fact, I should be scared of them. And I should rely on my own good sense and my farmer next door. And if I'm lucky enough to own a farm, my own, the, the, the, the fruits of Sean's labor, I'll never be out in those fields.

Um, but let's be real. I'm not going to, but, um, but we all have it in us. And I, I just,

Kelly, I want to thank you. I also want to encourage people to pre-order the book, good energy that you wrote with your sister. Um, it's coming out soon. We're going to have you back on to talk about that for sure. But all of the ideas that you have been talking about,

we've been thinking about, but you articulate it in a way that's so important. God, I'm going to pray right now that some politicians are listening to this podcast and to what Callie has to say, because I think you say it in a way that makes a lot more sense. And I really, really appreciate all the work you're doing. I want to give you a chance to talk, to close this out with some last thoughts and also on your book and your sister. Well, in the book, you know, my mom was the classic American story. She was taking a hike in 2021, felt a pain in her stomach. It was perfectly healthy, she thought. And we went and got a scan, had stage four pancreatic cancer.

And the top oncologist of the world at Stanford looked at her and said this was unlucky. And what the book is really about is it wasn't unlucky. It wasn't unexpected. It wasn't a tough break. My mom was on six medications like most Americans, right? She was on the statin for high cholesterol, the metformin. She dealt with obesity. But these are standard rites of passage for the American patient. She was actually at six medications at seven years old was below the average of a 70 year old

on the average medications they took. And she was told at a recent checkup that she was healthy. But these things being treated in silos, right with no curiosity, you just take a pill not not a a welcome warning sign of the of the dysfunction that are that many ways our modern society is great but we have lost our way in the environmental toxins in the sedentary lifestyle and the food and the fact that my mom who went to the mayo clinic who went to stanford hospital right who has had the best doctor the world was let down like millions of americans this is really an issue we need to unpack. And again, it gets to this core issue, basic things, sitting around the kitchen table and eating natural food and being curious about what we're being put on our body. So my sister was a top doctor at Stanford, a surgeon,

she left the system after seeing these dynamics and seeing the corruption. And she has laid out some of the best tactical tips ever put to paper. And we explore the incentive issues in this book. And then I'll just say looking forward to 2024 and your beautiful statement there, Rachel, I think I am hopeful because I think conservatives sometimes fall into a trap in our desire to not meddle with the markets and not be a nanny state we've let corruption just take hold i don't think it's conservative to just be hands off when crony capitalism has absolutely taken over our systems into basically a kleptocracy i always mispronounce that um that's basically uh

harming American children. And I think, you know, as we've talked about, as President Trump has been alluding to, there are some very decisive things that a president can do, that a Congress marshaled by a president can do. So I do think, and you've said this for years, this is the sleeper issue. I think it's becoming a prominent issue. This discussion of the crony capitalism and the breakdown of our institutions really keeping us in fear and harming us. And I think health is the way to talk about that. And I'm so grateful for you two and for the light you're shining on this. And I'm just really optimistic we can see this as an increased discussion topic this year.

We'll have more of this conversation after this. Kelly, one last question. So we don't, I think I can count on less than one hand, how many books we have pre-ordered in the Duffy household. Rachel has pre-ordered your book. When does it come out? It is coming. So it's a long process. It's coming out in May. I tweeted and Barry Weiss posted an excerpt in her newsletter and actually reached the top health book on Amazon, which we're really excited about. And again, that just shows such an appetite for this among normal people. You know, it's obviously I'll just be direct.

I think it's the most important issue in the world. And as I said, I think it's the best summation of tips. My sister really is brave and a genius on this. And it's a book I want in people's hands. Because I think I'm very happy and Rachel, I think it's so great that we talked about the high level top down solutions. But this really, I think, is a bottoms up revolution. There's empowerment and steps individuals can take. And I know so many people listening right now are on that path. So we hope this can be a tool, just one of many, for people to take individual empowerment, which I think is how you, you know, we can start a revolution here. No doubt. Kelly Means, it's always a pleasure to have you on. So, so smart, such a wealth of information. We appreciate you sharing that insight with us on the podcast, but also for teaming up with your sister and writing the book, Good Energy. So thank you for joining us. Thank you, Callie.

It's a fantastic conversation with Callie. I want to be clear from our point of view. Like, again, if you talk about a journey, do I have a frozen pizza in the freezer? Yeah. Is there some processed food in our home? Of course. We're not militant on this. But I will say we have made a conscious effort to... I make a salad. I put black beans. I was getting black beans out of

my can into my salad. And eventually, I'm like, why aren't I getting regular beans and soaking them and putting real beans in, not the processed food? We're making progress and trying to eat healthier more of the time in our own house and the choices that we make. We actually have to cook and it's been, I think, way better for us. And just a quick note, Rachel, when I had shoulder surgery, something happened to my foot and I ended up spending almost 24 hours in the emergency room. And it was the worst 24 hours in an emergency room, being in the hospital. And if I can do anything to try to prevent myself from having to go back to the hospital, and that means eating better, man, I want to do it because that was not a place I want to be.

And to try to avoid chronic sickness. Wasn't that shocking when he said the average 70-year-old? Is that more than six medications? It's on more than six medications. I mean, that's astounding. And again, like they give you a medication for one thing. This is when he's talking about these silos. You get a medication for this that has a side effect on something else.

So if something else happens to you, but then they just give you a medication for that. I mean, you're in this like pharma cycle of stuff. You know, the other thing people, you know, I think sensible people came out of COVID saying, okay, I don't care what, what, what they said. It was very obvious that if you were, if you were overweight and you had diabetes and you had chronic, you know, conditions, you were more susceptible to dying from COVID. And ironically, they didn't use that, this moment in time, where you could say to the American people, as you shut down,

well, you shouldn't have, but they shut down the world, and they could have said, hey, if you want to survive COVID, get healthy. Go outside, get vitamin D, start exercising. Go for a walk. Clean your pantry up and start eating healthy. want to survive covet get healthy go outside get vitamin d start exercising walk clean your maybe clean your pantry up and start healthy and you know people would have done it because people were petrified at that moment um but they didn't do that they literally wait for a farmer they locked the gyms they put yes i i'll never forget i have a picture of it in my own little town in

wisconsin caution tape around the parks and over the swing sets. Yeah. So that kids couldn't go out and play. They wanted you locked in your house, eating bad food, watching Netflix, and just getting alerts from them about, you know, when you can leave your house. Well, instead of getting healthy, you were getting fat. Yeah. More people were like, obesity rates rose.

I know more couples that sat home and drank more than they ever did during covid they did and so it was the exact opposite advice and that the government should have given on what people should do and who got rich off of this not just from the vaccines but from now the nowder, less healthy people at the end of the COVID lockdown who now need a farm. I mean, it's a cycle. And again, because I'm beside myself on the debt and how much money we're borrowing the deficit every year. It's unsustainable. And truly, the highest budgetary items that we spend on as a federal government is Medicare and Medicaid, what we pay in health care for people.

And if you can get your hands around America's health, the amount of money that you spend on health will drop dramatically and you'll save trillions of dollars. You can actually balance your budget if you get people healthy again. And again, I do think markets work if people start to buy more whole foods, whether it's grains or fruits or vegetables, and they're cooking with them at home. And again, I think it takes time, it takes more time. But if you do that, the businesses will respond in kind to provide more of those products. And if there's more of those products, or more people growing those products, I think you can see prices come down as the supply and demand. Yeah. If you start demanding, it's like what happened with avocados. As more people started

being introduced to avocados, I always said avocados. I did not. I'm like, what's an avocado? But as more people got introduced, the demand for avocados has increased. And so there are more avocados on the market because that more people want to grow it because people want it. So you see that happening. I think, Sean, that, you know, again, I want to say, yeah, it takes more time to cook a healthy meal. But if you look at it beyond just the nutrition and the health and you go, this is a spiritual service that I do for my family. And we really should look at it that way.

And that what is the meaning of life? It's not to sit down with the people you love the most and share a meal and it's healthy. And maybe you cooked it together and somebody lovingly took time to do that. What better use of your time? I know it takes time. You know what, it takes time to do a lot of things in 24 hours. And what do we value? You know, it's like when they say, show me your checkbook, I'll tell you your values, right? What do you value with your time? And I think preparing food, I literally people ask me this all the time. You know know how do you do it

with nine kids one of the first things i do when i get up um you know after i have coffee wake up is i think about what's for dinner uh i think about what's for dinner if you're not thinking about what's for dinner for your family then you have no choice than to throw in a frozen pizza and when six o'clock or four o'clock or five o'clock rolls around but to to be honest, you have a weekend job and you do have that luxury, right? But I think what's interesting, you can plan your, if you think about it, you can meal plan all the weekend if you're too busy to think too hard about it on the weekend. But if you're thinking about it when you're at work on Monday at three o'clock, or you're thinking, you're not thinking about it in the morning, you're not going to know, or you're not thinking about it in the morning you're not going to know or you're not thinking about on the weekend and and making sure you have all the

ingredients on hand for the week and i'm not judging i'm just saying we all do a lot of things what are you valuing your time when your mom came to stay with us i thought it was amazing how quickly your mother could whip up something that tasted really good it didn't take actually that long and i and i'll give the same compliment to you um you may but that's that that speaks to intergenerational i'm so you talk about we talk about eating like our grandparents um that healthier food that you know the people you know eight generations ago there's also cooking skills that are being lost and and it seems like millennials just want to learn how to make truffle based blah blah blah but nobody knows how to make a good good rice

you know nobody knows how to make a pot roast anymore uh they they want to like there's this like there's this value that we're putting on these you know really you know people are like i want to go to cooking school and learn how to make these fancy things start with the basics if you don't know how to make a good omelette you don't know how to make a you know, really, you know, people are like, I want to go to cooking school and learn how to make these fancy things. Start with the basics. If you don't know how to make a good omelette, you don't know how to make a, you know, learn how to make rice, learn how to make stock. So you don't have to, you know, buy your own stocks. There are some basics. And a lot of that was learned kind of through osmosis because there was a lot of intergenerational living. I know that when our, my mom lives with us, I mean, I mean, I got better at making rice because I was watching my mom make her rice, which is like the best rice in the world.

Rice is very, you think it's very simple, but your mom made the, I'm like, what is tomato? I know, I still don't do it as well as my mom. But my mom's rice is amazing. My mom's tomato sauce that she makes homemade is the best. And I tried to make it the other day and Paloma said, mom, it's really good, but it's just not as good as yaya's. And it's true. I was like, I need to bring her back and learn how to do that. But this is getting back, what I'm saying, this is getting back to the basics of living, of dinner, of intergenerational living, of living, of dinner, of intergenerational living, of learning from our mothers and fathers and grandfathers and grandmothers. And this is what I'm talking about, that this is now, as he so rightly put, we're at a spiritual

crisis. And if we could start, as you always say, Sean, if you can fix it at the family level, you can fix it nationally. If you can fix it at the family level, you can fix it nationally. So, yeah, it's mind numbing and infuriating to think about the big food, big pharma lobby and how it all works in Washington, D.C. But maybe stop worrying about that so much and just get it right in your own house. Learn to make rice. Learn to go to your local farmer and get your food. Try making dinner time around the table with your family a priority. Just start small.

It can take some time at the start. As I was going to work yesterday, the bottom line at 6 p.m. on Fox Business, you should watch it. As I was going in, I didn't so slyly brought that in there. I was on my way out the door

and you're like, I'm going to make chicken dumpling soup. And why about this? So the dumplings that you put in the soup are, it comes from. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not making my dumplings, but it's like half by scratch. But still the rest of the soup is totally natural. My point with that is you whip that up in like 20 minutes as like it was. All of a sudden you have a, you have a soup ready to go, which is, which is pretty remarkable, but it happened fast.

When I go to work, at the first day of the week, I cut my peppers. I make rice or millet. I get my lettuce. I cut up my lettuce. You make your beans. I make my beans. And then for the week, I'll take that and I'll make my salad because I've already prepped it. And it's all whole and it's all really good.

And but it doesn't I don't do it. I did it for a while every day. And like I took a ton of time. Now I just have it all prepped for it. I would whip up a salad and out the drawer I go. You can get a lot of it done the weekend. I made we had tacos over the weekend and I made frijoles. I made pinto beans and we had the pinto beans whole.

But then, two days later, it was good in the fridge. In fact, the flavors were even better. And I mashed it up, and I made tostadas with that. And it was delicious. And again, listen, it took me 20 years learning from my mom to figure out. You put meat in your slow cooker, which is like that happens fast. I can make anything. So good.

But I was a terrible cook. You remember I used to cry in the beginning. She was bad. Because I would mess things up. It's horrible. It takes time. Invest in the basics. Invest in your family.

Invest in the spiritual sort of components of what it takes to make a meal and nourish your family and know that it's worth the time. As we come to the first theater, so many people are like, you know, one of my resolutions is I want to lose weight. Eating healthier helps you actually lose weight. There's a number of things you can do, but I mean, again, it doesn't have to be 100% of the time. But if you start adding more and more better foods into your diet, you're going to become healthier and you keep that progression going. And we're on that path. And this seems like a granola issue sometimes. And I feel like this sometimes can be off topic. I don't think there's anything more important than taking responsibility for your own health. It's personal responsibility.

It's like what Callie was saying. All of this stuff actually is conservative. It is part of the conservative ideology to take personal responsibility has always been part of the values of conservatives and taking responsibility for your health and your family's health, making yourself not dependent on big pharma and on processed foods and ultra-processed foods, take your responsibility for yourself. You don't know the shit.

I don't even, you can't even say the words of the shit that they put in this food. You probably shouldn't put it in your body. Huge problem. So I think, and he's so knowledgeable, love the work he's doing.

And again, I think it's so important. Again, if you want to save America, save your family. It's great because you're going to eat together, but also try to cook some healthy food together as well. Keep yourself out of the hospital because that is not pleasant. I'll guarantee you that. So listen, thank you for joining us on the podcast.

This is a great topic. We care about what we're putting in our bodies. We don't want to put in toxins. We want to put in good food. You don't want to drink climate milk, Sean? I don't want to. That is so stupid. Rachel sent me the article. I'm like, you've got to be in good food. You don't want to drink climate milk, Sean? That is so... Rachel sent me the article. I'm like, you got to be flipping kidding me. What the shit is this?

And I'm reading it going, you have got to be kidding me that they're going to give toxins to cows to stop them from farting and call it climate milk? What is wrong with these people? They are sickos. They think they're God. I'm going to save the world by drinking toxic milk and by the way fertility is going to all be impacted all comes back to fertility right yeah this is all the the the weirdos who have been trying to control your fertility and global population are all tied into this climate thing um i remember i'll just end on this i remember asking mark morano from climate depot who's one of the great voices, speaking out on the climate fraud. And it is a fraud. It is a hoax. I asked him very directly, none of this makes sense. What's this really about? And he gave the simple answer. He said, population control. They want to, he said, population control. And it's been that way for a long time. And by the way, can I just mention this also?

When Callie was talking about breast milk, the other political group that's involved themselves in this, of course, are the feminists. Because if you're not breast, if you're breastfeeding, you know, you're tied to the patriarchy, blah, blah, blah. So, you know, there's all kinds of political interests in getting you not to do the natural common sense way of eating and feeding. Before, he mentioned, he mentioned, you mentioned the NAACP and pushing to make sure that we have Coca-Cola and Pepsi as purchasable items with SNAP or food stamps. And that is insane. What a horrible policy. What a disregard for people to say, you know what, we're going to allow you to buy Coke and Pepsi, drink sugar water, and you're going to get fat and you're going to get sick. And we're going to say that's justice by giving

people the freedom to listen. If you're on public assistance, I'm sorry, you shouldn't be able to drink Coke or Pepsi. We should drink water. We shouldn't have Oreo cookies. We should eat fruits and grains and dairy, the basic categories of food that are whole. But all the process that are making people sick and unhealthy and calling that justice is a perversion of what's actually happening um in our culture in our country and from the elites so um that that is i was sure and you can see that the the the rates of obesity and diabetes are highest for the poor because they eat their because of all of this

stuff and so um it's it's it's really um it's really sad so i hope we shed some light on this i hope it's it's opened your mind a little bit um and and i hope that all of you listening will make this a political issue in 2024 i know there's a lot of issues out there um but this is an important one that impacts your family your children directly and um and we need to get um we need to wrap our head heads and our arms around it so it was a to wrap our heads and our arms around it. So it was a great conversation. Our heads and our hearts around it. And hearts.

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