From the Kitchen Table: The Duffys - What The Media Is Missing Amid President Trump's Indictment

Episode Date: August 4, 2023

Sean and Rachel sit down as they discuss the story of two Christian preachers who were arrested in Wisconsin for protesting against a drag show targeted at families, and why they feel that the indictment of former President Trump is a signal that the justice system will continue to target conservatives.   Later, they talk about how the mainstream media is defending Hunter Biden amid growing evidence that President Biden was involved in his foreign business dealings.   Follow Sean and Rachel on Twitter: @SeanDuffyWI & @RCamposDuffy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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It's great to be back, Sean. And boy, we have a lot of stories to cover today. And we're actually going to cover three stories that have slipped through the cracks because this has been a very busy news week. The media should be talking almost exclusively about Joe Biden and the corruption scandal. The Devin Archer interview testimony on the Hill and sort of all the pieces of the of the map, if you will, coming together, all the dots being connected on the Biden scandal and the 50 million or more dollars that they have taken from from many of our enemies and a lot of corrupt countries like Ukraine. Completely wiped off the news cycle. And everyone is talking about Trump's indictment, which we did, too, on a podcast that we had with Will Kane earlier this week. So if you haven't listened to that podcast, boy, Will Kane does a great job of breaking down not just the indictment and what it means for Donald Trump, but more importantly, what it means for America and for conservatives. And that is a great podcast you should check out. And for our future. And I think on that topic, though, a little bit later in the show, I think we should talk about the media and how the media has responded with news coverage on this topic. We talked about what's happening, but now we need to talk about a little bit later in the show how the media is trying to digest this, present it with a little wrapping paper and bow for the American people or the liberal viewer. So we'll get to that. It's a

family love story, Sean. It's not about corruption. It's a family love viewer. So we'll get to that. But also family love story. Sean, it's not about corruption. It's a family love story. So we have some really you have to stick around for this clip. It's really probably one of the most insane MSNBC clips you've heard in a long time. So stick around for that. And we'll break down what's happening and what you can expect from the media in this. And we're also, you know, in that same podcast with Will Kane, we talked Will Kane broke down how to find the perfect woman.

And ironically, these new stats have come out when we talked a little podcast with Will Kane, we talked, Will Kane broke down how to find the perfect woman. And ironically, these new stats have come out when we talked a little bit with Will about stats about young people thinking that marriage is antiquated and so many of them are not choosing marriage or choosing to live together or just not even be in relationships. Now, a new story has come out, a poll out of the of chicago showing that we're going to tell you who the happiest people um in america are so we're going to do that story it's related to the marriage story but before that um if you thought the persecution of donald trump was just about donald trump well get ready um we're already starting to see the signs of what this means for all of you. So in Watertown, Wisconsin, little Watertown, Wisconsin, a young man, handsome fellow, Marcus Schroeder, was out with some of his friends from church reading out loud using sort of a what do you what would you call it? It's not a bullhorn, but a amplifier.

A little speaker and a speaker that amplifies his voice. Yeah, loudspeakers and a microphone and just preaching and reading from the gospel on a sidewalk, totally legal. And yet, and by the way, the circumstances around this was a drag show in front of kids. And so these young, handsome Christian boys decide that they're going to counter it with the message of Christ and they get arrested for Wisconsin policemen show up, unplug the the microphone and and basically the handcuff. Listen, here's here's a clip from these. Obviously, these kids had cell phones. Good for them. And here's what happened.

But through love, serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this, you shall love your neighbor as yourself. But if you bite and devour one another, beware lest you be consumed by one another. Hey, what are you doing? What is the problem here? What are you doing? What is the problem?

What's wrong with you? You didn't give them any warning, you just grabbed the mic. No, this is the same one that we had in there. Yeah, that was in there, it was not out here. What is wrong with you? Let it go, you guys have been warned. They said we can speak out here on the sidewalk freely. You can speak but there's no amplification.

Nobody told us that. Nobody told us that. What are you doing? Nobody told me that. How come there's no amplification? Resist. You guys are acting like thugs, man. You're acting like straight up thugs. Hey, you're taking away my property.

He has every right to be out here engaging in speech. He has every right to be out here engaging in speech. There's cars driving by with their radio so in the video clip uh this young man marcus was i guess he was reading the bible he had a he had an amplification system and law enforcement comes up to him and and i think two more come in so i think there was a total of six at one point to to handcuff him, unplug his microphone, and drag him away. Now he's out on the street, and as you mentioned before, Rachel, he is protesting an LGBT drag event. But it was an event that was also aimed at and targeted towards children. That's what the news reports are saying.

I still can't believe that this is what they do. And so as a way of peacefully protesting, he's outside and he's reading the Bible. And what frustrates me is, one, not only is that the First Amendment, you have the freedom of speech, but also in the First Amendment, we have the freedom of religion. He's exercising both of them. And by the way, I'm a Wisconsin guy. Watertown is not that far away from Milwaukee, Wisconsin, but it's not a suburb. It is a ways away. It's its own little town. And yes, some people might work in Milwaukee and still live in Watertown, but it's a little town in the center part of the state of Wisconsin. If reading the Bible

means you get arrested in Watertown, Wisconsin, you can get arrested anywhere in America. And I know just as a background, people will go, well, isn't Wisconsin a liberal state or a purple state? Milwaukee's, the city of Milwaukee is liberal. Madison or Dane County, where the University of Wisconsin-Madison is, is liberal. Most of the rest of the state is fairly conservative. And here you have the police coming in and taking out a young man for exercising his constitutional rights. I have this video posted on my Twitter feed. So if you want to see it for yourself, you should. Because I think what's most shocking to me is the presence of the cops that they, you know, first of all, one of them pulls the cord right out of his amplifier.

They take away his mic. They start arresting this young kid. I mean, he's he's a teenager, for God's sake, and he's not doing anything dangerous. And so for me, you know, it was an interesting juxtaposition. And the reason why we chose to do this story was, you know, we have Donald Trump indicted this week. And I think a lot of people think, well, that's Donald Trump. And, you know, you know, bad orange man. And he's a Nazi and people think, well, that's Donald Trump and, you know, you know, bad orange man and he's a Nazi and all the crazy stuff the left says about him and and and the

justification for it, although most Americans can see this is totally unjust. But if you think that this is going to stop with Donald Trump, it's not. And by the way, again, going back to the cops, there are some good cops and they're being asked to do sometimes things they don't want to do in the case of Donald Trump. Donald Trump has told the story of having, you know, police officers the last time he was indicted in New York City, strong Irish American police officers, the kind you see in the movies like out of central casting. He's talked about this on television before that he you know, they basically had to arrest him.

And the guy was like crying, saying, I don't want to have to do this, but I have to. You have those kinds of cops. I see the cops that arrested this young man, Sean. They seemed gleeful in it. I don't know if you saw the same thing. I saw them not feeling bad for what they are doing. So again, this is a commentary on the culture and where we're at. And your rights in the Constitution are only words on paper unless people believe them and they're willing to defend them and stand up for them and fight for them. And so we've seen a number of videos, this being one of them, where a Christian who's reading Bible verses is arrested.

But I've seen a lot of video where you have pro-lifers at a rally or Christians at a rally, and you have the LGBT community come out and start yelling at them, screaming at them, disrupting their event. And the cops come and the cops don't arrest the LGBT protesters. They don't, those who are antagonizing a conservative or a Christian group, they're not handcuffed and hauled away. But a young boy who's reading Bible verses, he is in Rachel, he was asked about it later, Marcus was, and he said, it was worth it.

It was actually an honor to be counted worthy to stand with the cloud of witness who have gone before us and been arrested for the sake of spreading Christ and his kingdom. So here's a young man who is willing to stand up and take bullets, not little bullets, but take shots, get arrested for his faith. take bullets, not little bullets, but take shots, get arrested for his faith. And I don't want to make this too dramatic, but it goes back to early Christians who were willing to stand up and fight for what they believed in and spread the word. Two points on that. One, the young man gives me hope for America, that we have young men still in this country that are willing to do this. This kid, if you could see him, you'd see him on the football team at any of your local,

you know, high schools. I mean, he's just a regular looking kid. Like I said, good looking. So are all his friends that were around him. Nice kid. Gives me hope for America. At the same time, you know, when we talk about the police officers, I think about also the FBI agents who raided the home of Mark Houck, the pro-life protester who was defending his son when he was peacefully protesting outside of an abortion clinic and had this altercation all of a sudden with a pro- house and at seven in the morning, the FBI shows up, you know, with their flipping vehicles surrounding his house, guns pulled, banging down the door.

Yet they had like, I don't know, eight, eight homeschooled kids crying. I mean, and my thought in that wasn't just like that poor family, obviously terrified. But who are these agents? Shame on them and shame on these cops as well they know the constitution they know the orders they've been given are wrong and so i look at the situation that we're in sean donald trump arrested this new what i think is this new era of persecution on the right because so many of the reins of power are in the hands of the left right now. And I go, it's going to require good cops, whether in the FBI or in local law enforcement,

to hold the line because they're being told to do stuff that is wrong. So it makes me think of the movie Cinderella Man, James Braddock, the fighter. And in that movie, there was a scene. The pro? Yes. There's a scene where the the the the electrical guy the meter guy is coming to turn off their power because they haven't paid their bill

um and what's her name uh renee zellweger thank you renee zellweger comes out of that movie by the way if you haven't seen that movie in a while that's awesome comes out and basically is begging him not to turn off her power and she says like i have these little kids and he has to say i i i get it. He's heartbroken. But he's like, I'll lose my job and I can't feed my kids if I don't turn off your power. Those are the difficult situations that people find themselves in. So you can't really peer into the hearts of cops. They have families to feed as well. And who knows what kind of pressure they're under. But I think... That's no excuse. I'm sorry. You have to do the right thing. Listen, I agree.

And sometimes if you're a cop, you'll say, well, justice will work itself out. Maybe that's how they justify it, sure. Listen, you sign up and you have to do what mayors say or sheriffs say, or you give up your badge, right? And you let the system actually work itself out. Do I agree with it? No. But I'm not forced to get a paycheck and feed my family with this job that these men have. So it's an interesting, it's an interesting conversation we're having because if you're at a, if you're at an LGBT parade or rally,

LGBTQ plus, LGBTQ plus spirit, whatever it is, spirit animals. Yeah. I'm okay. Like I might, I might disagree.

I do disagree with you and some of the, you know, like cheekless chaps that you're wearing and you know how you're presenting yourself. I might disagree with you and some of the cheekless chaps that you're wearing and how you're presenting yourself. I might disagree with that, but I don't dispute that you have a right to present yourself and your beliefs publicly. In the process, in your parade, to see things that I think are not appropriate for kids to see. Because as a culture, as a community, as a society, we do protect kids. But outside of kids being involved, have all the drag shows you want. Be you, boo. Be you. And the problem is liberals don't share that same viewpoint for conservatives.

share that same viewpoint for conservatives. And so even if you are LGBTQ plus spirit animal, that's okay. You should still go, I respect this young man's right to be a Christian and to speak his mind, just like I think it's okay for the LGBTQ plus folks to speak their mind. That's what the country is based on. That's how you debate. That's how democracies work. But this is a new thing. And this is why we're doing the story. This is a new phase we're entering in. And I think people need to be, you know, really eyes wide open during this period of time that we've entered. I mean, who would have thought that the leading Republican candidate in the polls is right now in jeopardy? You know, he's going to be put in jail for life if they have their way. And there's a very real possibility that that could happen.

Can I make one quick point? Sure. So there's three branches of government. It's obviously the executive, the judiciary and the legislative. Right. So in the executive branch, there's a direct line that goes from Joe Biden to Merrick Garland to Jack Smith. That is the chain of command that exists. And therefore, politicians who might feel, I was there, I feel a certain way, right? I want to do a certain thing. I want to say a certain thing, but I restrain myself. I restrain myself because I think if I say these words or I take these

actions, I'm going to dissolve, disrupt the norms and procedures that we have and of course that is what they're using donald trump of of frankly and on january 6th i don't agree with that i i believe he said do it peacefully which he did say it's on video it's on video but that's what they're saying and yet they on the left break every norm and really really dangerous norms right now. Do you know that it's a crime to organize an insurrection against the country? That's criminal. You can't be an insurrectionist. Do you know that Donald Trump is not charged with insurrection?

Right. That's not in the charges. They all claim he's an insurrectionist, but as aggressive as Jack Smith is, as far as he's trying to stretch the law, he couldn't stretch the law far enough, even for Jack Smith, to make the claim that Donald Trump tried to orchestrate an insurrection of America. No, it's a great point. We're in a new America.

We wanted to bring the story to your attention for that reason. I hope you see the video. I hope this I'm going to pray a lot for this young man. Boy, does he give me hope. lot for this young man. Boy, does he give me hope. We need more like him. We need more like him. But this is a new, this is a new place that we're in. We'll have more of this conversation after this. Welcome to the A World Business. Billy Bob Thornton, Demi Moore, and Jon Hamm star in a new Paramount Plus original series. The world has already convinced itself that you are evil and I am evil for providing them the one thing they interact with every day. You're all right. Here we go. From Taylor Sheridan,

executive producer of Yellowstone. Get everybody back. You just put a giant bullseye on this place. We rolled the dice one last time. Landman, new series now streaming exclusively on Paramount Plus. I'm going to move to another story because part of the reason why Joe Biden has been able to get away with what he's done with the indictment of Donald Trump, but also the timing of it has been incredible. really hot. The kitchen gets really, really hot for Joe Biden. And boom, this indictment comes down and the media fall right in line trying to, you know, take the story off. No, there's a history. So every every time the 1023 came out the next day, Donald Trump was charged. The plea deal for Hunter Biden falls apart. The next day, Donald Trump is charged again. The the Devin Archer testimony comes out and the very next day, Donald Trump is charged again. The the Devin Archer testimony comes out and the very next day, Donald Trump is charged again. It's like this is clockwork for prosecutors.

Their defense strategy is which we've talked about with Will Kane. The best defense is a strong offense. They're trying to change the news cycle to Donald Trump away from Joe Biden and his criminal behavior. Yeah, it's exactly what's happening. But they've still had to answer a little bit about what what we're seeing, because Representative Kohler and the House Republicans, who deserve a lot of credit, have put together with very little help from the media or anybody else, quite a case against Joe Biden. And, you know, the media has had to respond to some of this. I want to play for you how MSNBC explains the 20 phone calls that Devin Archer now has said that Joe Biden made. He said at least 20 with Hunter Biden.

So Hunter Biden turns on a speakerphone and brings his dad into the conversation. And whether they're current clients of Hunter's or prospective clients, Joe Biden hops on the phone, I would argue, to show the Biden brand to these potential clients that Joe Biden is with his son. But that's not necessarily the take that the liberal media has. They try to come up with some very creative arguments and solutions as to why Joe Biden did this. Take a listen. Hunter Biden put President Biden on the speakerphone for like 20 times. You could certainly ask whether at some point President Biden might have said, hey, quit putting me on speakerphone.

You know, are you having a business meeting? Like, what is that about? But the context is that this was a sort of very fraught and sad time for the Biden family. And we know how important family is to the president. And we know how important family is to the president. So he's saying for 20 different times, Joe Biden could have said, hey, why am I on the phone with all your business associates? It's not seemingly maybe not even legal, but he didn't do it because this was such a sad time for Joe Biden and the family because Bo was dying. I'm going to tell you what. Joe's a family man because Joe's a family man. Because he's a family man.

We all know that, right? Right. Grandpa Joe. So actually what the 20 calls actually demonstrate, Sean, is how even a dying son, a dying brother, could not distract Joe and Hunter Biden from just the greed, treasonous greed and the corruption and the criminal enterprise. So here's Beau Biden dying of brain cancer. And you would think Joe Biden would be by his side all the time, but he finds time to get on the call with Hunter Biden's business associates

to show that, yep, I've got Hunter's back and you better make those checks happen. And by the way, go ahead, Sean. No, you can finish your thought. I just, I can't believe that they would yet again, and every time he's in a pickle, Sean, every time he's in a pickle, whether it's with Afghanistan or whatever, he invokes, Beau, nothing is sacred withokes Bo. Nothing is sacred with this man. Nothing is sacred. So, you know, as people in my life have been on speakerphone and they've tried to walk up to me and get me to engage in a conversation while they're on

speakerphone. And because it's speakerphone, I can be like, oh, wave my hand back and forth. Like, don't put me on the phone. Right. We all we all we all have had that circumstance. Joe Biden could have been like, no, don't put me on the phone. Right. We all we all we all have had that circumstance. Joe Biden could have been like, no, don't put me on the phone. I don't want to I don't want to get on. But he doesn't do that. No, he willfully gets on the phone as I would argue as part of this enterprise to send a message to the clients and the prospective clients that Joe Biden is part of the team and he's going to help deliver the promises that Hunter Biden. Why else would he get on the call? And by the way, the media also said in other interviews, they said, well, he or the White House, too, they said, oh, he was talking to them

about the weather and also about Beau Biden and his death. Why the hell? First of all, nobody gets on the phone with a bunch of Ukrainian businessmen or whoever the hell else they were talking to to talk about the weather. Secondly, why would these people care about? I mean, you're not going to talk to him about Beau Biden's death. I mean, this is that he's dying. This is so ridiculous. It's insulting. And it's also shameful to use your son in that way as a defense. So first off, I disagree with you. I think that Joe Biden is getting on the phone call and he's actually saying things that are nothing about business. They might be talking about the weather. They might be talking about sports. They might be talking about new flights between

New York and Ukraine because you don't have to talk about business. And Joe Biden is smart enough not to have any business conversations on the calls with clients or prospective clients of Hunter's. But just by being on the phone call, he's sending a message that Hunter and I are working together. And I'm not going to talk to you about it, but make no mistake, when you ask Hunter, he's going to come to me and I'm going to deliver for you. That's the message that he's sending by getting on the phone call and talking about nothingness. It shows his involvement in the criminal enterprise. needs you to fire the prosecutor looking into the corruption of your company you can literally get on the phone with the president of the country and say if you don't or the or the or the ag of the country the the attorney for the country and say if you don't fire that prosecutor that's

looking into that corruption ukraine's not going to get their- A billion dollars. A billion dollars. And as Joe said, lo and behold, guess what? Son of a bitch. They fired the prosecutor. Right. I think this is also interesting too. They're saying there's no scandal here. They have no proof.

And by the way, I don't disagree with that. They don't have a crime as of right now. But how is that video of him laughing about and telling that story? Not enough proof. It's so obvious what happened. So but but you have to. Your son's company. So Hunter Biden has his own.

Hunter Biden has his own crimes, right? He was a foreign agent in register. He was making money that he didn't claim in taxes. He was doing drugs, prostitution, guns. There's probably a lot of other stuff out there as well that I'm not even aware of. Those are all Hunter Biden's crimes. Joe Biden, on the other hand, doesn't, again, it's unseemly. You can't get elected when you do these things if you're exposed.

But is it criminal? And it only gets to the point of a crime, I think, if Joe Biden is making money off the enterprise. And the liberal media is so quick to say, you know what? They don't have anything here. Yes, it might be unseemly. Yes, it might not look very good. Bad judgment on the part of Joe Biden. But do they really have criminal charges here? And the truth is not quite yet. And the reason is, is because the FBI and the DOJ and the IRS have been unwilling for the whistleblowers to look in to any money that the big guy made. They couldn't get, they haven't examined Joe Biden yet. So there's a forensic that could be easily done. You look at here's the money that came from such and such company to this and such and such shell company.

And then it goes over to I mean, there's a way to follow that. It's easy, right? As complicated as Hunter Biden and sophisticated as Hunter Biden thinks he was in setting up these shell companies to move money into the U.S. And then, you know, hide the cash for the IRS and the and the FBI, this is like getting on your bike and riding it. For them, they get all the information. They see where the money goes. They see who spends the money. That's not complicated for them, but they have to be able to look at it. And they haven't been able to look at it. So for Morning Joe to say, well, there's nothing here. They want to make a scandal. They want to make some smoke, but there's nothing here. well, we don't, there's been, there's nothing here. They want to make a scandal.

They want to make some smoke, but there's nothing here. Well, we don't have anything here yet because the investigators haven't looked at it. Now compare that. They weren't allowed to look at it. The IRS, these whistleblowers said, we wanted to go. We were told we cannot pursue anything that has to do with Joe Biden. We could only look at Hunter. Well, this story is about Joe Biden.

Right. And any investigation has, you know, tentacles that you don't expect and you just follow these leads down the road. But they were given specific instructions that if it had to do with Joe, cut the investigation off. So a whole bunch of smoke around Joe Biden that he was making money off his son. And the bureaucracy, law enforcement is saying, no, you can't look into Joe Biden. Now, contrast that with Donald Trump, the same people, the very same people who have no smoke. They're trying to pretend like this dossier was real with Russia collusion, but they all knew it wasn't. They all knew it was fake. And based on nothing, no smoke, they did an absolute

roto-rooter of Donald Trump's life, looking for a crime, and they found nothing. So no evidence of a crime. They investigate Donald Trump. Massive evidence of a crime with Joe Biden, and they refuse to do any investigating. And that's why people will say this is a two-tier justice system, and they're spot on. And if you don't have justice and equality under the law, again, you don't have a democracy. You don't have freedom because one side can do whatever they want, whether they're LGBTQ plus protesters or they're Democrat politicians making money on the side. And the other side will be persecuted for the smallest infraction or no infraction at all. Yeah, no, there's no question about it. By the way, other other people have been sort of caught up in the indictment of Donald Trump.

been sort of caught up in the indictment of Donald Trump. I just want to bring this up. And Vivek Ramaswamy yesterday brought up such a great point that the other part of the story that we're not talking about is how those are his lawyers, that they are now making it, creating this precedent that you can now go after people's lawyers for giving you advice, whether you don't have to agree with what the lawyers, you know, have have said. But, you know, you can't criminalize legal advice, which is what they're doing. I want to see if I find that sacrosanct, the relationship that a defendant has with a lawyer, because we believe that we want defendants and lawyers to be able to speak freely about what evidence is there, what they knew, what they didn't know, what they did, and that will allow a defendant to get the best defense from their lawyer.

And so we say, hey, no matter what your client tells you, lawyer, you can't tell anybody else that. And if law enforcement comes and tries to find out from the lawyer what their client, the defendant, told the lawyer, our courts have said, you can't do that. That's sacrosanct. You can't access those conversations. Just like you can't get conversations between a husband and a wife. In this case, Rachel, they actually did. They got the FBI went in and got the conversations between

Team Trump and his lawyers, which is, again, shattering norms. Right. The big tweet says he's one. Here's one of the most dangerous parts of of the indictment. The supposed co-conspirators are actually attorneys who are offering legal advice to their client. If we criminalize lawyers offering legal advice that prosecutors happen to disagree with, that marks the end of the justice system in America. And by the way, once again, Donald, I mean, Vivek Ramaswamy is going to be outside the courthouse when Donald Trump is indicted, I think today. Or arraigned, I should say. I would expect that all of the evidence that came between Donald Trump and his lawyers, that there'll be motions to suppress that. And the trial judge may not suppress it. But if it goes to the Supreme Court, I'm sure they're going to do the Constitution instead of those who just think it's a living, breathing document to be used to advance progressive causes. The Constitution has too many strings around it, too many guardrails to prohibit them from doing the things they want.

So this is a story we're going to continue to follow. Lots of pieces to this. But it has a lot of implications. And again, always watch what the media is telling you on any side, any article. I always question, am I getting straight truth or am I getting perspective? Am I getting spin? And what is the purpose and intent of the spinner? Yeah, it's great. We'll have more of this conversation after this. So last story we're going to cover here is, you know, I mentioned that

we had Will Kane on and he talked to us about how to find the perfect woman. A conversation Will Kane doesn't normally have. No, but it was really insightful, really fun to talk to him about that. And it was around these stats that had come out where, you know, an increasing number of young people have said that they don't believe marriage is necessary, that the institution of marriage is antiquated. And a lot of them are either not entering into serious relationships or those who are, they're just living together. We had Jordan Peterson on Fox and Friends earlier this week, and he told our viewers that, you know, living with someone is just taking them for a test drive, that you're basically just telling them that, you know, living with someone is just taking them for a test drive,

that you're basically just telling them that, you know, I reserve the right to upgrade you. And so that's kind of interesting. But at the same time that these stats are coming out of young people not getting married, we also have stats that are now out from the university, a study at the university of chicago talking about happiness we all want to be happy right um well it's showing that um the happiest uh people are married people what yeah do you feel happy sean i do that's kind of what you and will were talking about how you know looks can how looks can fade, even the freedom that you think you're enjoying as a young man, a single young man. But eventually that stuff fades. And as you get older, you just have to think about where you want to be, whether you're 29.

Or 69. Yeah, where do you want to be at, you know, whether you're 29 or 69. Yeah. Where do you want to be at 60? Well, I think, and again, this does not surprise me. This stat does not surprise me with regard to, you know, married couples being happier than non-married couples, because when you're able to share your life with someone, when you're able to, whether it's your day, your hardships, your joys, your friendships, your hardships, your joys, your friendships, your conversations, your viewpoints, your passions, your hobbies, it makes your life richer when you're able to share that, not just with your wife, but if you're able to have kids.

We talk about having kids and how wonderful having kids really is, Rachel, and we encourage people to have kids. We should also note that there's people out there who are trying to have kids and can't. And I think that's really hard for people. And I guess when we talk about having kids, we do it in a context of those who are choosing not to have kids. Not those who are trying to have kids but can't. But those people who are just saying, I don't want to have kids. It's too much it takes too much money and so this is about getting married having a family makes you happier so this study looked at income educational achievement race geography

all kinds of different factors um when it came to happiness but marital status is the most influential when it came to predicting happiness. Quote, the difference is stable over time. It is about the same whether the unmarried state is due to divorce, separation, death of spouse, or never having being married. So basically being married is the best predictor of happiness. And I think it's interesting because we talked about the Barbie movie last week quite a bit. I went to see that. And one of the most disappointing things for me was that Ken and Barbie don't end up getting married in the movie. And it's part of this trend of messaging to young people that marriage is not necessary, that marriage isn't going to lead to happiness.

young people that marriage is not necessary, that marriage isn't going to lead to happiness. And people often, and we talked about this with Will as well, like there's a lot of talk about how difficult marriage is. And of course, there are challenges to marriage. But I think, again, this speaks to that we're not doing enough. Us married people, married and happy people, aren't talking enough about the joys of marriage. And I think the message is sent that the culture is sending one message, denigrating marriage, saying it's unnecessary, saying Ken and Barbie don't need to get married to be happy. And in fact, Barbie, in order to be happy, can't stay with Ken. She has to go find herself. And I think what is lost in that is the wisdom of knowing that you're not going to go find yourself out there in LA like Barbie does.

You find yourself in the context of marriage. You find yourself in a family. You find yourself as you develop these very intimate, close relationships with either a spouse, your children, your parents, your siblings. That is how you really find who you are. And you're not going to go to some magical, you know, city somewhere and live alone and suddenly discover who you are. You find yourself by being in deep, meaningful relationships. And sometimes I talk about the difficulty of marriage. And I do that because I don't, those who are thinking about it,

I don't want them to be misguided that it's not always roses and tulips and sunshine. It can be difficult. But I don't say you should do it because I think it's bad. I think it's amazing. I mean, I love being married to you. I would hope that everyone has a marriage like you and I have together, the friendship

that you and I have together. It takes work, but you're right. It takes work. So I don't mean to naysay it by saying it can be hard. All things that give us joy are a little bit difficult. Marriage can be too, but it's amazing. Loneliness is difficult. It is. You know what? Loneliness is difficult. Marriage can be too, but it's amazing. Loneliness is difficult. Loneliness is difficult. You've talked about this before. If you're wealthier, you're going to breastfeed your child. If you're poorer, you're going to give your child formula. Now, there's a lot of

other factors that come into play there, there's circumstances, but broadly speaking, that's what happens. In this study, the same thing. Wealthier people are married. Poor people seem not to get married. Well, because the number one predictor of poverty for any child is being raised in a single family home. So marriage is good for everybody involved. The chicken or the egg, is good for everybody involved. The chicken or the egg, I don't know which is. I think that progressives go around and talk a lot about, you know,

undoing these traditions and these cultural values that have always been sort of the foundation of societies like marriage, which is probably one of the most important institutions we have. They kind of go around and say, well, that's not necessary. We need to, you know, fundamentally

transform everything and, and undo everything. But they're also, they understand that, um, it, marriage actually, that kind of stability and focus that marriage, um, gives, gives people is actually make people happier, makes people wealthier, by the way. And so they've sort of preached something, but in their own lives for their own children, they want that. They want marriage. But for, you know, you lower class people, well, you know,

you can do whatever you want. I think that that is an interesting thing that you can see play out. But again, I don't think we're talking enough about just that companionship. I know Will said when he was talking about the perfect woman, he said, obviously, looks matter, right? And by the way, looks matter for women looking at a spouse as well. And I've often talked about how important I think that is. Sexual attraction to whoever you're with matters a lot. But over time, we do change, we do age. And in the end, companionship starts to grow in importance. And I think that's sort of what he was talking about. I think he was too. And I'm going to go back to a point you made.

sort of what he was talking about. I think he was too. And I'm going to go back to a point you made. Liberals are liars, right? They're liars. And so liberals are telling people, don't get married. You'll be happier if you're single and you push your career and your bank account and you stay solo and you can go get your lattes and you can go drink with your friends and hook up culture, take a vacation to Europe somewhere. That's going to bring you happiness. They also lie and will tell you socialism and communism is better than capitalism. They'll also tell you that you can change your gender. They'll tell you that global warming means you have to give up your stove, your dishwasher, your hot water heater, and your gas-powered car. They're liars. There's a political agenda behind all of this. There's a reason why they do these things. Families, and we talked about this a lot, but families become the most important unit in the life. And they're insular to these radical forms of government and ideas that can come from the left. stupid, sad ideas penetrate the mind. You need people who are open to it. And that's people who are living outside of a family. They're single. And I think that's the very purpose of why they do it. And maybe they themselves haven't gotten married and they haven't seen the joy of marriage and therefore they want to tell everyone else to be just as miserable as they are. I'm not quite

sure. But this study is reflective in almost all the couples that we know. So let's talk about the joys of marriage. What are the joys? Listen, I think, we'll make the first one. Friendship matters. Sharing your life with someone. You and I get up in the morning, we have a cup of coffee. We try to anyway.

We almost always do. We always do, yeah. He goes for walks with his wife and the dogs. How nice is that? Once in a while when we're up at the cabin, I'll go for a walk with you, which we actually enjoy. Um, but I get to share all the things that are happening, all the difficulties, all the great things. We get to share the conversations on our kids, the good things, the, the, the, the bumps in the road with the kids. And I think that my life would be so lonely if I didn't have it to share with you.

And I love to hear about the things that you're doing. I love you and care about you. So I want to know, what are you experiencing? What are you hearing? What happened on the show this weekend? Interesting guests if I didn't watch. Again, so sharing our lives together has made me

more fulfilled and happier. And Rachel... I heard this beep on our thing and I tried to shut down the laptop and... She's going to close our computer and shut us off in the podcast. Don't shut that.

I don't know how to get that beep from the technicalities of the kitchen table. How about for you? First of all, just to hit some stats that are I think you talk about the lies. There's a lot

of stats out there that talk about the benefits of marriage. So people who are married are healthier. Men, especially men who are married are healthier. You'd think you'd have more time if you were single to go to the gym, but it turns out that probably loneliness kicks in and depression and things like that, that end up affecting one's health. Also, you have a wife who's nagging you to like, get, get to the gym or put on that. You've got a little tire around your waist and she might notice. So there's the health angle, of course. And it turns out that men make more money when they're married, even though they have more people dependent on them, kids, but that ends up being a motivating factor. They say that business decisions, career decisions for both sides, for both men and women are better strategized

because you've got two minds, two different minds, because men and women are different, strategizing on the right way, the right decisions to make in one's career. And all of that ends up leading to people making more money. So you have those kind of stats in your favor. I agree with the companionship part. There's sex too. Let's just be honest. I don't want to be, listen, I know a lot of women who are now my age,

either never got married or are divorced. I don't want to be dating at my age. It sounds miserable. I'm so happy when I hear what's going on in the dating world for those over 40. I just I come home so happy to see you, Sean, because I don't want to be dating. I don't want to be in that space. And yet I love the intimacy that we have. And I don't want to have to, where I'm going to get that from, from somebody else. It seems really taxing. Whoa, whoa, okay. It's like a lot of work. I was going to go in a different direction.

You know, I thought, I've gone to some cool places. Can I just say this to you? Married people have more sex. Oh my God. What is this podcast about? Giving you the facts. Sounds like if you're single, you could go out and have a lot of play. But it turns out they don't have as much sex as they talk about.

I'm turning red. I don't know. But I've been to a number of different places. It's kind of fun watching you get a little bit. I've been to a number of places where, whether it was in Congress or after Congress, where I've been in cool places, neat places, beautiful places, and you haven't been there. And I always find myself wishing that I was there with you. I'm not there going, this is great.

And Rachel's not here. No one's waking me up or keeping me awake or wanting to do something that I don't want to do. I got to do whatever I want at this really cool place. That's not the way I feel. I'm like, I wish I was here sharing this cool experience with you. And I think my experience isn't as great, isn't as fun, isn't as fulfilling when I don't get to share it with you. And again, it can be a fun place, a good place, and it's nice, but I know that it'd be better when you're there. And I think it's always interesting too, we all know these stories in our life, because when you have a couple that's been married for a long time, they've been married for

50 years and 60 years, they've shared their life together for basically their whole lives, and one of them dies, oftentimes not long after the other one dies. Yeah. And I think it becomes so depressing that they don't get to share their life with that really, that is kind of the other half of them. Half of them have died, and so they pass away as well. That speaks volumes about the kind of love and relationship and the meaning of that relationship in someone's life if they can't live without, you know, I don't about going to places where you just don't feel like you can enjoy that cool location unless I'm there. I feel like when something happens, like something happened that was really interesting, but it's almost like it didn't happen until I tell you about it. And, you know, you hear a lot in all of this sort of psychobabble we hear all the time, you know, ever since the age of Oprah, you know, about codependency. I am very happily codependent on you. And I have no problem saying I'm totally codependent on Sean.

If I'm going through something, you know, difficult, I need you. I need to have someone to talk to about it, to run ideas by or just to listen. So I think, again, there's a time in my life where I could have survived without you. Maybe in the first five or six years of marriage, if something happened, I could have gotten by. Like if something happened now,

I would be in a... The operation doesn't work without Rachel. I've always said when my kids ask me, like, what's the secret to doing you know, doing good at a job? I said, it's the same for a marriage. You have to make yourself indispensable. So, you know, when you're when you have when you're you're starting a job, you just want to do everything you can to to make yourself indispensable. So your boss needs you.

And then that gives you job security. It's the same in marriage. I, you know, I I've created a home and a way that you like to eat and all these things that I've created for you. Now you can't live without. I've made myself indispensable. It's actually a secret to marriage. And I'm not afraid to say I'm codependent. I think it's a beautiful thing for couples to be codependent on each other in a healthy way. And I certainly think that's good. And also, when we think about it, we've mentioned this as well,

I think it's important to make sure you take time because life can get busy and we can share things that are going on and it can happen so quickly and things are going on. But whether it's a day, a weekend, a week, that you can take together as a couple, whatever that might be, or even it's a night, not even a full day, you've got to be able to take time to slow down and actually really enjoy each other,

to really re-spark. Remind yourself why you love each other, why you love spending, you know, having that time together. And I think that, you know, what Will brought up and kind of what we do with our coffee time in the morning, what Will does on his walks,

that's important to kind of also to have that routine that you touch base, you know, at least once a day where you can talk about what's going on in your lives, something that some issue it could be, you know, just shooting it, you know, talking about whatever. But you do have to have these at least one sort of moment in the day that it's just you two and you can talk and you can reconnect even it doesn't have to be an hour it can be you know 15 minutes but you gotta do that because it's so easy as you said i think it's interesting if we were to look at our phone calls and texts the amount we call each other during the day like if i'm going into the bottom line or you're going into your show on on the weekend um or whatever reason're separated, and when you're at the cabin and I wasn't or I was

at the cabin and you weren't, the amount of calls and texts that happen between the two of us throughout the day. Yeah, it's a lot. If you say like one time a day you have to connect, that would be outrageous if we connected one time a day. It's physically present. I'm glad you made that distinction. physically present. I'm glad you made that distinction. I mean, if you can make it so that whether it's walking the dogs or, you know, having coffee together or a glass of wine at the

end of the day, whatever that is that you, it's just you two connecting physically present with each other. Of course we text throughout the day when I'm doing Fox and friends, my texts are very different than Sean's when he's doing the bottom line. When I'm doing Fox and Friends in commercial breaks, my texts are make sure the kids empty the dishwasher. Make sure you move the laundry from the washer to the dryer because if not

I'm going to have to rewash it. There's a lot of tasks that are getting done in the commercial break. We're going to mute Rachel during her show because she has to tell us what to do. And just, or if I,

if I get texts from the kids and not Sean, I know that means I'm doing the show. Sean is sleeping, still sleeping and the kids are running around and I've got to, but I can say what's also important about that is when, again, whether it's multiple times throughout the day that are short or, you know, just a little longer conversation for a cup of coffee or a glass of wine, Um, when, again, whether it's multiple times throughout the day that are short or, you

know, just a little longer conversation for a cup of coffee or a glass of wine, we're sharing our lives with each other, which means you're never going to lead a separate life from me. And I'm not needing one from you. We're sharing all the things, all the people in our lives, all conversations and things like I'm part of your life, even vicariously through you and, and, and the same for you with me, I'm not, not having conversations and doing things that I think are big that you don't hear about. I share it all with you and you the same with me, which is

really important. And I think it's great for girls, women to have, you know, girl time and, and those kinds of relationships. But I don't, for me, like my marriage is sacred and I don't share, like I don't complain about you. I think Will talked about that. That was kind of a bit of a trend where like people, women get together and sort of complain about their husbands with each other. I don't think you should put the staff in here and fire you.

I don't think that's respectful. And besides, I, you know, the things that are most intimate and important to me to talk about, you're my best friend. I share with you. I talk to my sister. I'm really close with my sister and my mom as well. But generally, I don't have those kinds.

I have girlfriends, lots of them, and I go out with them every now and then. But I don't do that kind of stuff um and I didn't know that that was like a trend it's not anything that any of my friends do either but it was interesting to hear Will say that there's you know a bit of husband and wife bashing yeah among friends and I don't like that I think that you know the marriage is sacred for disaster I mean that is horrible yeah um by the way we again, a lot of people know that we're married. It's just, but we're not sharing intimate things of our marriage and our relationship with others. It's, that's for us.

There's some stuff you just want to keep to yourself. Right. We share a lot about what. Just on the podcast, we're going to share. Yeah, we do share more than our kids would like. I think we talked about sex on this episode. I think you did. So listen, interesting conversation.

A lot of cultural topics. A lot of things happening in the country. Again, Donald Trump, this young Christian boy who's being arrested for reading the Bible. Listen, and again, I always want to come with what do I think about and what do I do? You do want to be a beacon for truth. You do want to try to insulate. You want to focus on things that matter. And you do want to use your voice to speak out.

And when you have the chance, use your ballot to speak out as well. And you can change the direction of the country. I think if you could go online and find this Marcus Schroeder and give him your support, I think that would be great. That is a very brave young man. And I think it's an important story we did because it's happening. This persecution is happening. It's real. And we see this slow roll. First, it was parents who go to school boards. Then they came after Catholics who go to Latin mass. And we saw the pro-life arrests that were totally unjust and unfair. And the FBI doing that, seeing local police cracking down on one type of protester, but not another. We saw that in 2020, you know, the way that the protesters for BLM were treated versus the way the January 6th protesters have been.

You know, many of them still sitting in gulags. Some of them have committed suicide because it's been so, the scrutiny and the way the federal government has come down on them has been so hard. And here we have this young man. So, again. But if you think they're going to stop, if you think this is as bad as it's going to get, you're wrong.

And that's why what's happening with Donald Trump is so important. It is. It's so important that that that that that stops and that people show their voices, whether it's now or at the election. And I think that's why his poll numbers are high. I think intuitively a lot of conservatives and independents understand that that what is happening to Donald Trump is really about us. Here's what burns me. I think every single candidate should be at the courthouse. Vivek Ramaswamy will be. He's leading by example. They should all be there. There should be a unified front. Mike Pence is mad at Donald Trump. He's angry about the position that Donald Trump put him in. He's glad that this is happening. I know. But shame on him for that. Shame on him for sure. You can be mad. You have your own perspective of what happened on January 6th, and you can be angry at President Trump. You're entitled to that. But this is a step too

far. That doesn't justify what they're doing to the former president. They're not justified in what they're doing to the country. They should all be there standing arm in arm as a unified front against this radical left. And they're not. And when you're divided, that's when you fall. And we're showing division by these men and women not standing with him. But I think the people are standing with the president. Oh, I think so, too. And I think the poll numbers are bearing that out. And I hope that that that stays not just for Donald Trump, but for for them, for I think it's for the good of our country to send that message that we're not going to let other people decide.

We're not going to let Democrats decide who the Republican candidate is, because if we choose one guy, they're going to put him in jail. No, no, no. You're going to put him in jail. No, no, no. You can try to put him in jail. We're still going to support him. Your Democrats are not going to decide who the Republican nominee is. That's not how the system works. And that's what they're going to try to do.

And we have to, again, whether you support Donald Trump or not, what's happening to Donald Trump is wrong. Yeah. And it's a bad course for the country. So I want to thank you all for joining us at The Kitchen Table. We appreciate you tuning in.

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