From the Kitchen Table: The Duffys - Why Nancy Mace Is Wrong On Abortion & Prince Harry's Solo Trip To The U.K.

Episode Date: April 21, 2023

As the legal battle continues over the FDA approval of the abortion pill, Republican lawmakers like South Carolina Congresswoman Nancy Mace, Senator Tim Scott, and former South Carolina Governor and presidential hopeful Nikki Haley, are changing their messaging on abortion. Sean & Rachel's daughter Evita Duffy-Alfonso joins to discuss what these lawmakers are getting wrong on abortion, and how a TikTok trend of women sharing their abortion experiences is opening eyes to the cruelty of the medical procedure.   Later, they talk about the upcoming Netflix docuseries "Queen Cleopatra" and the backlash to the company depicting Cleopatra as black, and touch upon Prince Harry's upcoming visit to the United Kingdom for King Charles III's Coronation, and why they believe the trip may cause a rift between Harry and Meghan.   (insert link)   Follow Sean and Rachel on Twitter: @SeanDuffyWI & @RCamposDuffy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

My parents have had a lot of time on their hands lately. At first, it was nice. Hey mom, can you drive me to soccer practice? Sure can. We're having slow cooked ribs for dinner. It was awesome. And then it became a lot. Some friends are coming over to watch a movie.

Ooh, what are we watching? I'll make some popcorn. Thanks to Voila, they can order all our fresh favorites from Sobeys, Farm Boy, and Longos online, which is super reliable. And now my parents are reliable. A little too reliable. Voila! Your groceries delivered just like that. Hey everyone, welcome to From the Kitchen Table. I'm Sean Duffy along with my co-host for the podcast, Rachel Campos Duffy.

Hi. Hi, Sean. We're back at the kitchen table and this time joining us around the table virtually is our daughter, Avita, because we are going to discuss the three hottest cultural topics this week. And, you know, we went through a lot of things and it really came down to these three. We're going to talk about abortion. There's been a lot of talk about what's going on with the pill and a lot of mistakes, I think, being made by some of the politicians. Then we're going to go to the issue of Cleopatra because Netflix has a new Cleopatra movie coming out series. And it is

causing a lot of controversy because some people say they are blackwashing that historical figure of Cleopatra. And then last, boy, it's your favorite topic, Sean. Everybody says that you secretly love this topic. All the producers say this for our podcast. It is Harry and Meghan and things are really getting heated there in the run-up to the coronation. So let's get right to it. That is fake news. That is not fake news. You watch him in this segment. He is going to get so involved because we've had conversations on the side and you've weighed in a lot for somebody who

claims he doesn't care about it. You've had this voice all the time. Podcast in our own bedroom. We're talking about it. All right, here we go. Evita, let's get to this abortion topic because you've written two very interesting articles. I want to start with Nancy Mace because your latest article on this says that she has made some major missteps when it comes to the abortion pill. Yeah. So there was the piece that I wrote. I basically listed off five things that she said in the last week since the abortion pill has been called into question.

There's been a lot of rulings. Last week, it was going to be banned outright because the judge rules that the FDA did not approve it correctly. And then another court came in and said, OK, no, it's going to still be allowed, but we're going to have some restrictions on it. Some of those is that you can't get mail-in abortion pills, that you have to actually go to a doctor's office to be given one. It's a very dangerous pill. It accounts for a 500% increase in emergency room visits related to abortion. So it was moved through the FDA very quickly.

But Nancy Mace, a Republican representative from South Carolina, has been really opposed to restrictions being placed on this abortion pill and has been parroting Democrat talking points, saying that Republicans should focus on gun control and on women's health care in rural areas instead of focusing on the abortion pill. It's really kind of classic Democrat talking points, also telling the FDA to completely ignore the federal judge who initially ruled on this and saying that we should trust the FDA when she herself was vaccine injured from the COVID vaccine. Similarly, with the FDA pushing this pill through in the same way that they push the abortion pill through.

So really kind of bizarre commentary from Nancy Mace this last week. So yeah, fascinating stuff. So I would say about 40% now, it's going to be pretty soon, it's going to be 50% of all abortions in our country are done through these abortion pills. Is this the same as a chemical abortion? It's a chemical abortion. It's essentially, it's a do it yourself project, a DIY project of the most gruesome kind that you can imagine. And women all over the country, millions of them are doing it in their own home. And one in 10 are ending up in the emergency room, as Evita talked about, this increase.

And so there have been some real huge safety concerns because now they're in states where they're banning abortions and even these pills, because you can get it mail order, suddenly you have young girls who are able to get a mail order of this chemical drug and perform their own abortions alone by themselves in their own bathrooms, maybe without a parent even knowing that this is happening. It's really quite remarkable. But you bring up an excellent point, Evina, about the FDA, because Nancy Mace is a really incredible figure to come to the defense of the FDA and their safety assessments, given that she's pretty upset about the FDA's rushing through the COVID vaccine because she herself is COVID injured. Here is her, and I think very bravely, coming forward because she was kind of a fan of the COVID vaccine. Then she had an injury and I think very bravely came out and exposed what happened to her. Take a listen to this. As someone who had a vaccine injury from

the COVID-19 vaccination, I don't support any mandates by the federal government or any organization to mandate our US citizens get the COVID-19 vaccine. If you want to voluntarily take it, that's great. Talk to your medical doctor about it. But myself and there are many others across the country who are now sharing our stories today about our vaccine injuries.

And I hope that you'll talk to a qualified medical doctor and make the best decision for you. Yeah, she spoke on Fox and Friends and kind of explained exactly what is happening to her, what happened to her. She says she's just not the same as she was prior to the vaccine. And we've interviewed, you know, many other people who've had this experience. So interesting, Evita, that she would have this kind of confidence in the FDA on this abortion pill after what she went through. It's bizarre behavior from her. The other thing that's really puzzling is she was initially opposed to the judge who was saying, we're going to put a ban on this abortion pill for a time being. She's now still opposed to the

ruling from the latest Fifth Circuit court saying that we're going to have no mail-in order. You have to go to a doctor's office. Another thing is the FDA didn't used to require that hospitals report abortion pill injuries. They only had to report deaths. So the numbers are really skewed here. The court said now you have to report all injuries related to the abortion pill. I don't know why anyone would oppose that. Why can't we have accurate data on the abortion bill? Why does Nancy Mace oppose having accurate data on the abortion pill or safety precautions for women who take it? So they're in a hospital being administered this dangerous lethal drug versus in their bedroom by themselves. That's ripe for injury. It just doesn't make sense to me why anyone would oppose this.

Well, it's a good point because I think you can take the position of Nancy Mace, which I disagree with, but you can still say, I believe that women who engage in this should be kept safe. They should be healthy. And the way the position that Nancy is taking is, in essence, allowing, to your point, Rachel, little girls to have an abortion by themselves in their bathroom. Very traumatic. I just can make another point. I would ask, is this comment made by Nancy Mace or AOC, whether it's on the abortion pill, whether it's on gun control, not following the order of the judge? That's exactly what AOC has said. And so, again, as a former Republican, she's a Republican. She votes for Kevin McCarthy. She's better than a Democrat in that seat. But I think what's happening is her district in South Carolina has changed quite a bit. And I think she's probably playing local politics. I don't want to give her an excuse on this. I don't want to give her a pathway out. But she's trying to play hometown politics and say, see how progressive I am. See how I'm a reasonable Republican. I am for gun control. I am for abortion for everybody, even for little girls by way of a pill. And by the way, when I have a court that disagrees with me, I'm going to stand

up and say, disregard that court ruling. Let's push back and do what we will outside of the court's opinion. Yeah. And so she's been taking some heat from conservatives, rightly so. And in particular from the Susan B. Anthony Association, is that what they're, SBA? Yeah. So the Susan B. Anthony Association is a... I don't think it's association, but go ahead. Maybe we can get the full name of them. You pulled that up, Sean, so I get it right. But in any case, the Susan B. Anthony Group, SBA, is a group that raises money for pro-life candidates. And so basically this group has stopped. Nancy Mesa said this group will no longer take meetings with my office.

And that's because SBA is not happy with the positions that she's taking. They're a pro-life group, and they don't think her positions are – what is itan b anthony pro-life pro-life america pro-life america sorry about that so what nancy has done is and and i think it's really shameful because you know sba has been a great organization um the only one we really had raising money for pro-life candidates and what nancy has done is she's kind of smeared this organization. So she'll say, well, the reason they don't like me is because I bring up birth control, which is not true. The SBA has nothing to do with birth control. They don't, they don't have a position on it. They don't do anything, have anything to do with that.

But she keeps bringing that up to make herself sound like she's so reasonable. And this is some radical group. Anyone in Washington, D.C. and you've dealt with them, Sean, they are not a radical group. They are a straight down the middle pro-life group. But here is her. Here is Nancy Mace on Shannon Bream's Fox News Sunday, dropping that bomb. And then Shannon Bream, very sweetly, because she's very sweet, corrects her. Listen, I find I find it ironic that Susan B. Anthony would attack me. I'm a victim of rape.

I advocate for women who've been raped. And that organization will no longer talk to my office about pro-life legislation because I'm talking about birth control. I mean, some of these groups have gotten so over the top and extreme. We need to find a middle ground on this issue. And I have a great pro-life voting record, but some of the stances we've taken, especially when it comes to rape and incest, protecting the life of the mother, it's so extreme. The middle, the independent voters, right of center, left of center, they cannot support us. And again, I represent a purple district. I talked to a voter the other day and she left the Republican party of this issue.

She's an independent voter. She's pro-choice. Her gestational limits, for example, are at 14 weeks. I'm a pro-life legislator. I'm at 15 to 20 weeks. And so there's a lot of middle ground. I think it's important in how we talk about these issues and offer solutions. We've got 14 counties in South Carolina that don't have a single OBGYN doctor. So if we're going to ban abortion, what are we doing to make sure women have access to birth control? What are we doing about how do we improve adoption services in our country? What about the kids that are not wanted? What about our foster care system? What are we doing about how do we improve adoption services in our country? What about the kids that are not wanted? What about our foster care system? What about getting nurses that can treat women who need, you know, OBGYN care in those rural areas? What are we doing

about getting birth control over the counter at pharmacies? There are a lot of things that we can do to protect life and not alienate the independent voter. And that's what Susan B. Anthony's list misses. Okay. And to my understanding, they have no problem with birth control. Okay. And that's what Susan B. Anthony's list misses. Okay. And to my understanding, they have no problem with birth control. Yeah. For them, it's the issue of abortion. I got cut off there, but yeah. Yeah, that's exactly right. And so for Nancy, Nancy mays to come on to Fox news Sunday, again, more conservative voters and say I'm pro-life and they're just, they just don't like me because, um, I am opposed to birth control is a bold face flat out lie.

So maliciously lying. That's right. But also, kids are unwanted. Almost all kids are unwanted in America. We have more parents that want kids than there are kids available for the parents. Yeah, the list for adoption is much longer. Don't give me this. I mean, the lies that she spews.

Yeah. Again, trying to position herself for the conservative voters in her district, which aren't consistent with her policies and public statements on abortion on this pill, is outrageous. I completely agree. And I think that there's a lot of consultants out there right now who are getting nervous about the abortion issue. And as it's being turned back to the states to decide. And what they're saying is we can't win. Well, guess what? If you look at the states that have banned abortion,

the number of abortions have dropped by 80%. Now, some people, of course, are going to other states to get abortion. There's no question that that's happening. But by and large, if abortion is banned, people can't get it, and they figure out how to do it, just like before Roe v. Wade, But by and large, if abortion is banned, people can't get it. And they figure out how to do it, just like before Roe versus Wade. And they're figuring out how to do it. And pro-life groups are stepping up.

It has always been the pro-life movement who has been there with pregnancy crisis centers, giving free diapers, giving parenting care, giving free clothes, offering all kinds of help to them. And meanwhile, the other side is bombing, firebombing with Molotov cocktails. I don't know how many of these clinics they've done since Roe versus Wade with their domestic terrorist groups. And the FBI doesn't care about that. But it is pro-lifers who have always been on the front line helping with this. And when you see, now here's where it's interesting to me, Sean and Evita, what is your definition of winning? If your definition of winning is I, you know, Nancy Mace wins or more babies aren't going to die from abortion. What is your definition

of winning? My definition of winning is more, more, less abortion, more babies born because they're not being aborted. That's winning to me. And that's what we have to look at. We also have to look at Evita, something that you wrote very eloquently about. If you have not seen this, this is a trend that I had no idea was happening on TikTok. And it is that young women who are taking this chemical abortion at home are actually using TikTok and videos to document what happens. And when they do, a lot of them are obviously pro-choice because they're taking this pill, but in a weird way, their videos are inadvertently unconsciously pro-life.

Evita, I'm going to allow you to explain all this. Yeah, it's become a little bit of a trend on TikTok and Instagram where women who take or have an abortion will share their experience. It's sort of like a speak your truth moment. And the problem is the truth of abortion is very ugly. And so there was one woman in particular who I wrote about and she said, I'm going to give you the filthy effing details of what happened. And she talked about the excruciating pain that she went through, talked about how sick it made her. She's in the bathroom for hours, almost a full day.

She's like in on and off extreme pain, just vomiting, having all these issues. just vomiting, having all these issues. And then finally, when the abortion actually happens, because it does all this terrible stuff to your body, it's expelling the lining of your uterus and all these different things, she actually sees her unborn baby in the toilet. I mean, it was like a horrifying story. And that's what she said.

We have a little clip from it, Eva. I think let's just play that and then we'll come back to your thoughts on that. Because I want kids, I had to mentally and emotionally separate myself from this pregnancy. Because even if I had decided to carry it, it wouldn't have been viable. The coping mechanism that I chose was, of course, humor. So we just mentally decided that it would have popped out a full-grown Republican man with five o'clock shadow named Dave. And up until very recently I would have highly, highly recommended this coping mechanism. But I was not prepared a couple days after I thought everything was over to meet Dave. Embryos burrow themselves into your uterine lining.

So even though all of mine had sloughed off in the recent few days, it took a while for the embryo to actually come out. And even though logically I know it's a clump of cells, it never felt anything. Every emotional defense I had crumbled in one second. And that is the moment that I decided to talk about this publicly. So she's pro-choice. And she wrote that she did this video to show all women, you're not alone. And the villain of her little video essay was Republicans. She said they're the ones who are victimizing women. She made the object of her pain, supposedly a Republican man

with a five o'clock shadow. That's kind of how she said she coped with it. And it turns out that if you really pay attention to what she said, the real villain in all of this was Democrats who told her it was a clump of cells. She knew it wasn't a clump of cells. And in the video, that's why she expressed feeling so traumatized by what happened. So even though she herself, I think, probably can't admit that her own party lied to her and is the reason that she's gone through all this, I think that other people are able to pick up on that, the millions of others who watched her videos. So Evita, when your brother, John Paul, So Evita, when your brother, John Paul, was in my belly, in my womb, he was, I don't know, I don't know how many months old, they had done some blood tests on me. And they said, you know, John, there's a real high possibility that John Paul, who we know now as John Paul, is going to have trisomy 13, which was like a severe birth defect. And so they said, well,

we're going to give you, they forced Sean and I to go to some weird like genetic testing, genetic meeting where they asked us if we would, you know, if this turned out to be positive, because I was on my way to have an ultrasound, if we wanted an abortion or not. And of course, I was totally offended by this. I'm like, this is my child that you're talking about. I told them all to go to you know what, and I got out of that room. Did they ask you to do an amnio? Well, I said no. And then they had this genetic testing thing. And then we had the ultrasound. We're having this baby no matter what. We're having this baby no matter what. And so I go to the ultrasound. And the ultrasound technician says, okay, so did you, if, if are you, if this turns out to be a positive on this genetic disorder, will you have an abortion or not?

And I said, of course not. I would never have an abortion. This is my child. I would, I would birth it and you know, whatever God gave me, I'd take. And she said, well, the only reason I ask is because, and I said, I said to her, why are you asking me this? And she said, well, the only reason I ask is because, and I said to her, why are you asking me this? And she said, because if you had told me, and she said it kind of whispering, like she wasn't supposed to tell me the secret, right? And the secret was, if I had said I was going to have an abortion, she was going to turn the screen so I couldn't see the baby in the ultrasound. So this is the technique of our abortion culture, where they don't want women to see what is inside of the womb. They don't want

us to see what's happening. And this is what I find so intriguing about the abortion pill, because when women go in to have abortions, they generally, again, don't show women the ultrasounds. I've asked women who have had them, you know, how this works and they don't see the ultrasound. Um, they don't want them to, they want the women to disassociate from the fetus so that they, they, they don't grow, grow that connection. In fact, they have had studies that show when a man and a woman come in for an ultrasound, um, and see, uh, the baby,, the man is more likely to want to keep the baby than the woman if they come in because they think they might have an abortion because men have a protective sort of instinctual thing over their offspring. So in the abortion room, they don't

want the woman to see the baby. And yet now with the pill, this chemical pill, women can see the product of the abortion, which is a child, especially if they're further along. It's very obvious. I've had two miscarriages myself, so I understand how this works. Evita, is that something, what is the abortion lobby going to do about these TikTok videos? The truth getting out about what's happening? Because to me, this woman, it's obvious that these women, I've seen several of these TikTok videos, they're traumatized because they're seeing their babies. Well, I don't know if the abortion lobby can really do anything. I mean, maybe they can partner up with Facebook and Instagram and say suppress this. Who knows? But I think as if this trend continues to gain momentum and people see what it's really like,

I think some of the first things that I do when I'm about to go somewhere, go to a restaurant, is I'll do a search on Instagram or TikTok and see what's this place like? And I think people will do that with experiences as well. I think if you're a young girl who's about to get an abortion, you might want to search up, well, what's it like? And you might come across this video. And if you do, I don't think you're going to go through with it. And so it will definitely have, if there are more videos like this, a major impact on the decision making for future women. I'm I watch the video, the woman is so clinging to the idea that this is only a clump of cells and clinging to the idea that my baby didn't feel any pain. But in the video, you almost can tell that she's telling herself a lie. but in her heart, she knows something very different.

And I think these videos are powerful in a way that she didn't intend it to be powerful. That again, these are babies. These are little lives. And as you mentioned, Savita, as you read between the lines, she knows it's a little baby. And there's a biological connection that she has. And you can see it. You can hear it. Is this a prescription-based mail-order pill?

Or can you just order it without a prescription? And so you can do a pregnancy test. Then you can order it without a prescription. And no one would be the wiser. You wouldn't have any consulting or advice or input from the people that love you the most, which is actually quite troubling. I'm not sure if you don't need a prescription. What I do know is that it's a very dangerous pill and people are taking them by themselves, right? And that's the real concern because if something happens, if something goes

wrong and you're not in a hospital, women die and they have died. And so that's where the real concern comes. And just so you know, there was a lot of special interests that went into the expedited approval of the abortion pill. And the judge who initially banned it went through all those and had details. One of those special interests goes far back. It's the population control organization that was, that's the exact, that's actually the name of it, from the progressive era, co-founded by the Rockefellers, and Margaret Sanger was a part of it, who was an avid racist and eugenicist. So the abortion pill has a very rich and evil history. If you want to look into that, it's not, it'll maybe make you rethink the pill if you're interested. Right. And I believe that the Obama administration also had changed

some regulations so we don't have to keep track of how many people have problems with this bill. All of this is, you know, information is power. So when you don't show a woman her ultrasound, so she doesn't know, she can't see that window into her womb. She can't see what she's doing. And when you can't, you know, when you don't have the data that's all accurate, that's a problem. So a great article, by the way, Evita, in the Federalist, both of them, the one on Nancy Mace, and also more information on all these TikTok and Instagram videos of what real life women are going through, what that process is like. I think it's fascinating.

We'll have more of this conversation after this. My parents have had a lot of time on their hands lately. At first, it was nice. Hey mom, can you drive me to soccer practice? Sure can. We're having slow cooked ribs for dinner. It was awesome. And then it became a lot.

Some friends are coming over to watch a movie. Oh, what are we watching? I'll make some popcorn. Thanks to Voila, they can order all our fresh favorites from Sobeys, Farm Boy, and Longos online, which is super reliable. And now my parents are reliable. A little too reliable. Voila, your groceries delivered just like that. Okay, we're going to move on to the next topic, which is Netflix. It's causing quite a stir because Jada Pinkett, the wife of Will Smith, is now the director of a Netflix series about queens, right? Rulers. And one of them that they're covering is Cleopatra. And when they cast the actress to play Cleopatra, they cast a black woman.

And as far as we can tell, historically, Cleopatra was not black. In fact, some TikTok, what do you call them? TikTok video came out of somebody kind of talking about the history of this. Take a listen. Look, I'm not opposed to the idea of actors playing people of different race in fiction.

That is fine. But don't pretend that this is a documentary. Just look at it. This is a woman exercising power. It's possible that she was an Egyptian. I imagine her to have curly hair like me and a similar skin color. I remember my grandmother saying to me,

I don't care what they tell you in school, Cleopatra was black. I especially appreciate the sources of this documentary. Some woman's grandmother who doesn't like official education, nice research Netflix. This is how Cleopatra looked. This is how she looked. This, all of these were made in her era by people

who have seen her. Who the hell are you? Oh, and this might be my favorite part. It's possible that she was an Egyptian. It is possible she was an Egyptian. Possible. Let me translate what it means for you. It means we have tons of proof that she was Greek. She called herself Greek. Others called her Greek. Her whole family is Greek. Her name is Greek. But that doesn't feed our narrative. So we'll treat possibility as an equal to the fact.

Yeah. So, you know, there's a lot of historical evidence, Evita, that she was a Greek Macedonian, correct? Yeah, absolutely. It's completely ahistorical to call her Black. And a lot of Black people have come out and actually said, this is not Black representation to try and blackwash a historical figure who wasn't black. What would be actually good is to showcase stories of real black figures in history. That would be real representation. And instead, we're twisting history and lying for the sake of, I don't know, woke politics, maybe?

Although if Netflix really had that in mind, it hasn't played over very well because it seems like the right and the left are in agreement that this is not it. So do I really care that Cleopatra is in this Netflix series portrayed as being black? I really don't care. I don't. But I will say is that there's been so much pushback on cultural appropriation and can't appropriate someone else's culture. And the left has pushed that. Well, I wonder why they don't want to live by their own rules then. So if you're, if you don't want people to pretend to be something other than what they are,

why would they want to do this and say Cleopatra is black when she actually wasn't? That's the confusion for me. But as a, as a guy who sits here, I don't give a damn. I disagree with you. And here's why. Believe it or not, a lot of young people are not learning. Our kids, because they go to a classical academy, are learning about Egypt. They go to a classical school. They learn about Egyptian civilization. They had Egyptian art that they studied. For a lot of young people, sadly, they don't get this in school. So what they know about Cleopatra is sadly going to come from Jada Pinkett's Netflix series. And the truth is, Cleopatra, we have coins that show what she looked like. For those of you who are listening on audio, the guy on the TikTok video was showing pictures and busts and coins of Cleopatra that clearly show she was not black.

And so I look at this and I go, we just want to tell history. And I'm assuming that's what, you know, this version of Cleopatra is. Now, I agree, Cleopatra probably didn't look like Elizabeth Taylor either, right, from that famous movie. But the point is, we need to be historically accurate. And also, I think it's being done, Evita, in the context of empowering Black people. It's not empowering to be lied to. So I think it's having the reverse effect. And I think we just need to get over this idea of blackwashing, whitewashing, whatever. If you're going to tell a historical story, tell the truth. Right. I 100% agree with that. I will say that, Dad, I want to push back

a little bit. I think definitely the left is more upset about cultural appropriation than the ones that created that as an issue. But I think this doesn't only happen for white characters suddenly becoming black. Right now, Netflix is also, oh no, I'm sorry, not Netflix, Disney is making a remake of Lilo and Stitch and Nani, who's the older sister in Lilo and Stitch, is a very dark Hawaiian woman, very native features, very curvy. They picked a woman who's supposedly Polynesian, but looks whiter than me and has like reddish hair and very European facial features and is not very curvy at all. And something similar happened with Netflix. They produced

a series about Selena Quintanilla, the famous Mexican-American singer. They picked a white looking Italian woman who had to wear butt pads because she was so skinny. So this is, I think this happens all the time. And I think honestly, it's probably a gimmick. I think they, they want more people to get excited and talk about their films. They're like, oh, I know let's enrage everybody. Um, and pick somebody who doesn't make sense in this role to then play this role. It's this race swapping thing that I think has become a gimmick. If they did Selena and they cast me, you would not need to put butt pads in me. And there are plenty of Latino women out there that they could have picked from that are great actresses. And frankly, I have to say, even though she wasn't Mexican-American, you know, J-Lo did a phenomenal.

She was perfect as Selena and had the body just very similar, by the way, to Selena. And I think if you're looking at Selena's story, you want a Hispanic woman. You want someone that looks, and even if she's not Hispanic, that looks like her. And I'm sorry, part of Selena, if I grew up watching her, if you like Selena, part of her whole thing was not just her voice. It was her whole image. And she was, let's just put it this way. She was curvy and she didn't need butt pads. Hold on a second.

It's called acting. It's called makeup. It's called art. So if you have a white girl that you make look Hispanic, that is part of the art of the film. What's the movie that got the award the big well they didn't do a good job might as well have gotten somebody authentic i'm saying it was so poorly done that they might have gotten a real hispanic it was bad it doesn't bad bad point dad i agree but what what do you say about the whale he's saying that uh what was his

name uh in the weather why can't you just get a fat guy to play this role why are you getting a skinny guy and making you know putting them in a fat suit there's not enough roles for overweight people the way it is so why do you just cast i don't agree with that listen there's an art to this and playing something that you are not is part of the art of acting right and why shouldn't we go you know what if you want a black cleopatra i don't care right enough i let's not become leftists ourselves yeah but what's what's he saying but if you look at the top guy can i take on that guy makes a great point what they're actually saying is they're rewriting history they have all these people saying well my grandmother said don't listen to them. She's really black. And then they have these anthropologists saying,

that's different. She was potentially Egyptian. By the way, the country of Egypt, there's a blog, an Egyptian blog. They're ticked off about this. They're like, listen, if you want to find a black queen, do the queen of Sheba. But don't mess with Cleopatra. She's part of our history. She was Greek. She was here in Egypt. But this is who she is. We don't want you Cleopatra. She's part of our history. She was Greek. She was here in Egypt. But this is who she is. We don't want you messing with our history. Evita, go. Okay.

Here's what I want to say that separates us from the left. The left has restrictions on acting. We're saying we want somebody to look the part. There's a difference between looking the part and being able to act. So, for example, there was a role for an autistic woman. Um, and I believe her name is Ellie Flanning, but I don't, I want to, I don't, don't quote me on that. She's a young blonde actress who played an autistic character and everybody was angry. And they said, Ellie can't play an autistic character. She's not autistic. Well, that's the whole point of acting,

autistic character, she's not autistic. Well, that's the whole point of acting, right? That she can act. And if the role was a black autistic person and Ellie's a white blonde woman, well, then that doesn't work because she doesn't look the part. There's something to looking the part that mom and I are touching on. And that's separate from being able to act and do that accurately. That's the craft. It's not, the looks are separate from the craft of acting. And that's where I think we're separate from the left. That's right. You do make a good point, but listen, you look through recent history, there's a lot of movies that are made in America where Jesus is white, right? And do we lose our minds over that? Jesus was not white, but we've made him into a white man in a lot of American movies. And does that change the history of who Jesus was? He was a Jewish man from Israel. And he was not a European white dude. And so to say that Netflix creates history, I don't think that's accurate.

Now, I am concerned, to Mom's point, that if you do have other people out there questioning who was Cleopatra and actually telling folks maybe in school that she was Black, I have a problem with that. But let's let a little artistic flavor come into these movies. And Netflix, they're not history. They're entertainment. That's my pushback. Last thoughts, Evita? I will say that there's a difference

between Jesus and other historical figures. Jesus has purposely been made multiracial to bring everybody into Christianity, to make him inclusive. I mean, I have right here. I'm going to find it. It's the Annunciation, but they're Japanese.

Right? We do that all the time to make Jesus universal. And to make people feel included in the faith. I think Jesus is separate from any other. The baby Jesus that we use, Evita, at Christmas time, we have a manger and we put straw in for all the good deeds we do during Advent. That

baby Jesus is black. It doesn't impact. I agree with you. I think that Jesus is a different case because Jesus was meant to be universal. We'll have more of this conversation after this. Two freshly cracked eggs any way you like them. Three strips of naturally smoked bacon

and a side of toast. Only $6 at A&W's in Ontario. Experience A&W's classic breakfast Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's move on to the most favorite topic here. Okay. In the dust and in history. Let's go to real times. Okay. Exciting topic of the day.

All right. meal times okay so exciting topic of of the day all right so harry and megan of course are taking over because the coronation is coming up on may 6th and there was a lot of um sort of questions about what this what what was what was harry what were harry and megan going to do were they going to get the invite once they were invited were they going to get the invite? Once they were invited, were they going to go? And of course, in their perfect, like, she's like a PR master. She should do a masterclass. Somehow the whole world was left on edge, not whether she would be invited, but whether she would agree to go even after she slammed the family and made millions of dollars with Harry off of, you know, trashing their family. At the very end, everyone was hanging on to the question of would Meghan and Harry accept? And so here's what the

decision was. The decision was that Harry would go and Meghan would stay behind because Mace, and her excuse was Mace Six is also Archie, their oldest son's birthday. So she was going to, quote, stay behind because of the birthday, and Harry was going to go. Now, the back story of all this is that King Charles is very angry, and Camilla is super angry about all the things that were said in the book Spare that Harry wrote. And so they were going to show them. And so they said, here's your invite. But if you come, only working royals will be on the balcony. If you recall, Sean, at the funeral, they were like

in the 15th row or something. They were just way back, not in front and center. And so some people say, well, maybe Megan's deciding not to go because she's afraid that she'll look like she's playing second fiddle because she's in the back or some concern because her poll numbers are actually lower in England and that she might get booed and then it came out that she's actually rebranding and is going to take this break as a way for her to move on from the royal family, but allow Harry, whose currency is with the royal family, to sort of play that role of, you know,

sort of kind of being sort of still connected to the royal family so they can keep that stream of money going. But she's going to do something else. Is that really what she said? Did she say, I'm not going to go, I'm not going to be a part of this because I'm rebranding. Is that what she said? No, she didn't say that, but some PR leaks have come out and that's sort of the interpretation of the PR leak that she's going to be starting a new blog. She's going to be doing something else. That's sort of the, the back channel interpretation of what her PR people have. No, she is officially

saying that she's going to put on a birthday party. And also, Harry's going to just do, you know, the bare minimum and quickly get back. So if none of us believe any of the birthday party stuff, go ahead. Well, if the if the PR, if the PR, like allegations are correct, it's textbook. It's amazing, because it's exactly what the entire episode, the South Park episode worldwide privacy tour was about is they went to a, a, it's really crudely named, um, company that rebrands you. Um, and hers was like LA famous person, something else, uh, Instagram influencer victim was her was her whole re-brand. That's awesome.

If that's true, that's amazing. Yeah, and I'm waiting to see because it's interesting because she's seeing that, you know, people are a little bit souring on them, and so she's going to allow him to kind of do that part, and she's seeing that she has to do something different. So first of all, I was not knowing this controversy was going on. I wasn't waiting to find out whether Meghan and Harry were going to go to the inauguration.

The inauguration? No, it's the coronation. The coronation. Let me tell you something really quick. You know, Vida, our family is kind of a Disney family. And we love Disney. Our kids love princess movies and so forth. And one time when Margarita, our second youngest daughter, was really little, she was like three.

And this story just reminded me of this. I got, I scolded her about something. And she said to me, now I'm inviting you to my coronation. That was her punishment of me for scolding her. But yes, it's my coronation. That was her punishment of me for scolding her. But yes, it's the coronation. The coronation. So, okay. So I don't, I didn't know that.

I don't really care, but I think what's interesting, and I want to talk about these two topics. You had a conversation with Will and Pete on the couch during the break of Fox and Friends, and they brought up a, I thought it was a really interesting and insightful point that I would agree with. Because by, so we're talking about the rebranding. It's okay, he can't produce a thing. Will and Pete are just like Sean. They pretend like they don't care about the royal family.

And I did a segment on this topic on my Culture Roundup. And my Culture roundup and my culture roundup and I have a segment for for all pop culture stories and I sat down on the couch and the two guys who like roll their eyes every time the royal family comes up sat down and said something my me and my guests didn't talk about but was probably one of the most insightful things that proves they were actually thinking about it. They said that Meghan ought to be careful that if she continues to allow Harry in this new arrangement to keep going back and touching base so he can keep his currency going, his royal currency going, back and touching base so he can keep his currency going, his royal currency going, without her, that it could break the spell that she has over him. Isn't that fascinating that they picked up on that? It goes to the point that he might go, you know what? My family's not so bad. Yeah, they're messed up in a lot of ways, which they are, but I love them and they're pretty

cool. And if she's not there, always telling them how bad they are or how mistreated he is or how horrible they are, he might have this opportunity to actually repair some of the damage that's been done and might rethink this evil little spirit that sits on his shoulder, which is Megan, right? That was the point. Right. And it might be why she said, okay, you can go, but you better come back quickly because maybe she's afraid that he will have enough time to figure out.

I mean, look, all families are dysfunctional. All families have problems, but in the end, it's your family. And of course, you know, there's that danger, right? I mean, she has cast the spell and basically had Harry separate himself in much the same way that she has separated herself from her own family. Yeah. I mean, she is the most toxic wife that you could ever have. And I think Pete and Will are so spot on with that. I mean, if he goes back and he sees the love, if he is given love by the public, he sees

his father and his brother and his nieces and his nephews in the wake of the death of his grandmother, right? You cling to your family in a tragedy. He could certainly start to rethink some of the life choices that he's made. And it would be very bad for Megan, who absolutely right, has this hold on him that will crumble if he actually starts to embrace his family again. A lesson of life, if you have someone in your life that you're dating

that you're thinking about marrying and they want to take you away from your family and always complain about how bad your family is, as opposed to maybe trying to see the brighter side of your family and help you repair maybe broken bonds, that should be a warning sign. Maybe you want to look for a new spouse. And maybe Harry should have looked for someone different

that could have helped him come closer to his family. And again, you can recognize the dysfunction, but also try to repair some bad things that have happened. And I will say this, you know, there are real toxic family members where you'd have to say, okay, this is unhealthy for me to usually not, I'll say this is like a very rare occasion, but sometimes it can be where somebody is so terrible for you and for your marriage that you have to separate yourself. Um, but when the entire world, including the British left-wing media and even parts of the American left-wing media say, Megan, it seems like you're the problem. You're probably the problem. Some left-wing celebrities who were sort of on Team Harry and Team Megan have started to sour. I think probably the most famous one is Michelle Obama, who's kind of quietly thrown a few bombs

here and there, saying things about Megan. I think she does not like Meghan. More importantly, I think Michelle Obama is looking at her own future, which is I think she intends to potentially run for president. I believe that she she wants to keep that as an option. And, you know, the elitism of Harry and Meghan, the whininess, the dropping poll numbers, may not be something she wants to associate with. And also because Meghan is trying to be sort of like a younger, better version of Michelle Obama, that might be a little bit threatening as well. So that's been interesting. But what's also fascinating, Evita, is that by and large in England, King George is not getting the same kind of love from British celebrities as say the Queen did, who by the way at her Jubilee had, you know, Paul McCartney and Elton John and Adele. Many of these people have turned down playing at the King's coronation. So Harry Styles, the Spice Girls, Adele, Ed Sheerhan, Elton John,

which is kind of understandable. He was a very close friend of Diana and probably still knows a lot more than we do about King Charles and Camilla. So there's that as well. But why do you think that British celebrities are turning down what is supposed to be the biggest event of the year, the coronation of the new king? Yeah. So there's a couple of things that could be going on here. King Charles has always been very unlikable.

The second that his marriage fell out with Diana and it came out that he was cheating on her with Camilla for so long. Then she dies, right? I mean, the sympathy there goes way up for Diana, way down for Charles. And then he actually marries the longtime mistress, which people were not happy about. The queen didn't even attend their wedding. So there's a lot of deep sea.

And I think as Americans, we kind of think, oh, well, just get over it, right? I mean, like he's going to be the king now. It's not as consequential to us, but a lot of these British performers, actors, actresses who haven't been so loving to Charles, they probably have grandmothers and great aunts and mothers who are super anti-Charles because of the hold that Diana had on the British public. So to kind of look at it from our own perspective isn't right. We have to look at the history of it and what's probably coming into these own actors' families, right? And how the hatred that there is for Charles and the way that he destroyed his marriage and made the British monarchy look so terrible. And then also there's Meghan Markle and Harry, and there's a lot of

Democrat left-wing celebrities and performers who probably side with Meghan and Harry still. And so that's coming into play. I would honestly say that it's it mostly has to do probably with with Diana and going all the way that he has the World Economic Forum brought globalism into Great Britain, abandoned the independence, the nationalism that has been growing in the country and instead embraced globalists who do not have the British people's best interests at heart. There's a lot of problems with King Charles. I honestly think he's worse than Meghan Markle because he's done more damage. And so when all these British performers say we're not going to perform at your coronation, I'm in support of that. I think he probably deserves it. He had it for a long time coming. Yeah, I think he is a very sad figure.

And I think you're right. He's done more damage to the monarchy and to England through his globalism. But also remember, and this is really important because of the coronation itself. When you become the King of England, you also become the defender of the faith. And what that meant always for centuries and centuries and centuries was that you were the defender of the church of England. And King Charles very famously, when he was a prince, said he would be, if he were to be king, he would be the defender of the faiths, general, or even the idea of Western civilization and all the amazing things, including women's rights that have come out of, you know, Western civilization and our history and our tradition. So I don't like him. I'm not a fan. And I think you make a very astute point that is just as unlikable and whiny and ungrateful as Meghan Markle is. and whiny and ungrateful as Meghan Markle is.

She has not done the damage that King Charles has done. Nonetheless, none of us will be able to look away on May 6th. Even Sean, even Sean will be watching the coronation. Our own Ainsley Earhart will be there. So will Piers Morgan from Fox News. All of us will be watching. And we've been forced. You will be forced because we'll be commenting on it, as always. And Evita, we're going to bring you back because you have a lot of very astute

and wise observations on the royal drama. Any last thoughts? No last thoughts for me. Just, you know, the whole royal family is falling apart now that the queen is dead. So I do not envy the British people. That's right. Look at the list from the Jubilee of all the celebrities that want to be there. Team Queen, that was the biggest team. And you're right. No one will be able to get the love and affection that she had. And I don't like Will either.

So there we go. There you go. Well, Evita, thank you for joining us at your kitchen table. You're in Madison right now. We appreciate that, all your insight. Thank you for carrying this last topic for us, many of the topics in this podcast, letting me kind of ride along with you two labels.

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