Front Burner - Israel update: death penalty law, Iran attacks

Episode Date: April 7, 2026

Today, a check-in on Israel’s expanding wars in Iran and Lebanon, violence in the West Bank and details of a new law that could see the death penalty for Palestinians convicted of deadly attacks.Jay...me welcomes Israeli journalist Meron Rapoport back to the show. Meron has been reporting on Israel for over 30 years, and was formerly the head of news at Israel's Ha’aretz newspaper. He’s now an editor with the Hebrew-language news site Local Call.For transcripts of Front Burner, please visit: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/frontburner/transcripts

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Starting point is 00:00:01 The Powering Politics Podcast is available six times a week, but you might not be. If you want to catch up on what happened this week in politics, join me, Laura Dangelow and some of Canada's most tuned-in political strategists to break down the week that was. Short on time, the weekly wrap has you covered with a new episode every Saturday. This is a CBC podcast. Hey, everybody. I'm J.B. Poisson. As the U.S. and Iran ratchet up the threats to take the war into an even more violent state, and as a last-ditch attempt at a ceasefire continues. Today, on the show, we are going to focus on Israel,
Starting point is 00:00:49 a country fighting on many fronts at the moment. Israel has continued over the weekend to take out key Iranian leaders and hit over 100 targets in Iran. They have invaded southern Lebanon. Meanwhile, settler violence in the West Bank has increased. In Gaza, there remains an unstable ceasefire in a critical humanitarian situation. Israel has also passed a controversial,
Starting point is 00:01:13 death penalty law that human rights groups say will apply exclusively to Palestinians. There's a lot going on, so we wanted to check in with Israeli journalist Maron Rapaport. Maron has been reporting on Israel for over 30 years and was formerly the head of news at Israel's Hawass newspaper. He is now an editor with the Hebrew language news site Local Call. Maron, thank you so much for making the time. Thank you for having me. Let's start with the latest from the war on more. Monday, Israel carried out a strike that killed the intelligence chief of the IRGC,
Starting point is 00:01:52 the latest in a number of assassinations of Iran's most senior officials. I was updated by the chief of staff that overnight in Tehran, the IDF eliminated Majid Khademi, head of the IRGC intelligence organization, one of those directly responsible for these war crimes and one of the three most senior figures in the organization. Israel has continued to carry out air strikes, across Iran, including targeting a series of petrochemical complexes. Can you tell me more about what Israel is trying to accomplish in Iran? It's really not very clear.
Starting point is 00:02:30 And I think although the army boasts that it is acting without almost any resistance and that it is controlling the Earth space over Iran and in acting freely, it is not quite very clear what the goals are. Yes, Israel continue to target senior officials in the Iranian regime. It is bombing infrastructure, and it is presumably going to act with President Trump on attacking the power plants on Wednesday morning. according to our time in Iran.
Starting point is 00:03:17 He said Tuesday will be power plant day and bridge day. All wrapped up in one in Iran. There will be nothing like it. Open the, and that's where the president uses an expletive straight, you crazy bastards, all you'll be living in hell. Just watch. Praise be to Allah, President Donald J. Trump. A move that probably could be some kind of a game changer.
Starting point is 00:03:42 What's the feeling amongst the Israeli population about the war a month in? Like, just how widespread is support for what Israel is doing? No, the support is high, but it is going down at the same time. And when you are asked, when Israelis are asked whether it is reasonable, feasible to achieve, the goals set in the beginning, like toppling the regime in Iran, we are under 50%. So I think there is a change. There is a fatigue in the Israeli public. People also analysts, but certainly people on the street are asking, when will it end? I just hope it ends soon. I don't know. It just seems a little chaotic still and a bit like
Starting point is 00:04:40 quarantine and war together. And where are the goals and what are the goals? For me, like a citizen, I don't know. I'm not in the government. I don't know exactly what they are deciding. And they didn't tell the people in Israel what they do. So all the time you don't know what will be tomorrow. Israel is quite understood.
Starting point is 00:05:02 They were told that the aim and that they expect, that Israel expect that the regime will feel. fall quite soon after that. That did not materialize. This goal is less and less mentioned, and the nuclear capability was hit already in June, but we know that the uranium, the in which uranium itself is hidden somewhere, and at the moment there is no real plan to take it, So it stays in Iran. And the missile program is maybe hit, but the results we see every day that Iran,
Starting point is 00:05:49 after six weeks, is still firing missiles and hitting infrastructure, hitting Haifa. Yesterday, there were four people killed in an attack. Hours of searching through the rubble to recover bodies after an Iranian missile hit Haifa in northern Israel. But people here are also searching for answers about why Israel's advanced air defense systems failed to intercept this missile.
Starting point is 00:06:20 The situation is it's not clear what are the goals and the goal, the main goal, is now opening the Strait of Hormuz, which was, of course, opened before the war. And in any case, it's not really an Israeli issue. It's a world issue. It's an issue for world economy. It's an issue for the Gulf countries. It's an issue for Asia, for India, for Japan, for South Korea. For Israel, it's less of an issue. So I think people are quite confused. You mentioned earlier that Israel will presumably support the EU.
Starting point is 00:07:05 United States in attacking power plants as per Trump's threat, right? I guess unless this kind of last-ditch attempt at a ceasefire is reached. You said that it would be a game-changer. And just briefly, I wonder if you could elaborate for me on what you mean by that. Well, I'm not sure that it will be a game-changer, but it certainly is portrayed like this, first of all, by Trump himself. These strikes on the power plant will be the decisive blow that will lead Iran to surrender. We have a plan because of the power of our military where every bridge in Iran will be decimated by 12 o'clock tomorrow night, where every power plant in Iran will be out of business, burning, exploding, and never to be. used again. I mean, complete demolition by 12 o'clock, and it'll happen over a period of four hours if we wanted to. We don't want that to have. If I have to assess, I don't think that it will be
Starting point is 00:08:13 that these attacks on the power plants will force Iran to surrender. It will quite probably lead Iran to intensify its attacks on our facilities in the region, in the region. in the Gulf, it will maybe that it will lead the Houthis in Yemen, the allies of Iran, to close the Babel-Mandeb Straits that are leading into the Red Sea, an even more important waterway, even more important than the Strait of Hormuz. So I think what we are seeing now, up till now, is an Iranian leadership even more determined feels or at least gives the feeling that it is the winning side. It may be complete propaganda, but certainly reading the statement by Iranian leaders, especially Kalibha.
Starting point is 00:09:19 Well, the Speaker of Iran's parliament has also responded to Trump in a social media post. Mohamed Bhagir-Galibaf wrote, quote, your reckless moves are dragging the United States into a living hell for every single family and our whole region is going to burn because you insist on following Netanyahu's commands. Make no mistake, you won't gain anything through war crimes. And comparing them to the statement by Trump, you see a side that is what this shows self-confident Iranian and the other side, showing signs of distress and pressure.
Starting point is 00:10:06 Meanwhile, Israel has been increasing its attacks on Lebanon in areas where Hezbollah holds control as well as areas where they don't. More than a million people have been displaced in the war. They have invaded southern Lebanon. Israel's defense minister says his forces will take full control. of the south, in the area up to the Latani River, about 10% of Lebanon. He says border homes will be destroyed, just like in Gaza, and that Israel won't leave until threats posed by Hezbollah against Israel are removed. I think it's worth mentioning, according to reporting in the
Starting point is 00:10:50 New York Times, Israel is pushing Shia Muslims out of southern Lebanon, but is telling Christians and Druze they can stay. Since early March, more than 1,400 people have reported. been killed, including many children, according to the Lebanese health ministry. As the conflict enters its sixth week, civilians are increasingly being caught in the fighting. Some attacks have even killed entire families. Officials don't differentiate between combatant and civilian deaths, but they estimate roughly 25% of them are children, paramedics, and women. Maron, you know, how would you describe what is happening in Lebanon right now?
Starting point is 00:11:32 wrote a piece in Dockle Colic about the Jinges-Han policy of Netanyahu. A week ago, in a press conference, Netanyahu said... Well, history proves that, unfortunately and unhappily, Jesus Christ has no advantage over Jinxhan. Because if you are strong enough, ruthless enough, powerful enough, evil will overcome good. Aggression will overcome moderation. This I claimed in my piece was not a flip of the tongue,
Starting point is 00:12:12 although he apologized later and said that he didn't want to denigrate Jesus Christ, of course. It's quite obvious that the last thing that Netanyahu needs now is to fight with the evangelical base in the Republican Party. but I think it represents a real strategy of Israel. Israel is adopting the methods of Kingas Khan. Defense Minister Israel Katz said openly that Israel will not allow the 600,000. Lebanese were forced to go north of the Littani River.
Starting point is 00:12:51 It will not allow them to come back and destroy the villages. as it did in Rafah and Hanyunas in the Gaza Strip. Now, in Raffach and Hanyuns in the Gaza Strip, Israel conducted a policy that is blatant war crime. I think it strengthened the accusation that it is committing a genocide because it's destroyed whole cities. The city of Raffach was a city of more than 200,000 people.
Starting point is 00:13:25 It goes back in history 3,000 years ago, and it was completely destroyed to the ground. These are the last leader who adopted such methods in the Middle East with the grandson of Jenghis Khan when he completely destroying Baghdad, the biggest city in the world then, and killing more than 100,000 people and leveling Baghdad. at the ground. I think this is what Israel has done in Gaza, trying to force an ethnic cleansing of Gaza. And now it is copying these methods to Lebanon. This is the idea. And now even senior military commander of the Northern Command admitted, even if Israel will reach the Littani River and ethnic claims this area.
Starting point is 00:14:24 the missiles will keep going because Hezbollah is firing these missiles north of the Lichani. And the only way to prevent Hezbollah from launching these missiles is to occupy the whole of Lebanon. And just to be clear, do you think there is a goal here to occupy the whole of Lebanon? I think that the idea of occupying southern Lebanon is very strong and holding it for a very long period. There are also in the right wing, in the more religious right wing, ideas that until the litany is part of greater Israel.
Starting point is 00:15:07 So there are even plans to settlements in this area. At the moment, it seems a little bit out of touch, but we have seen that the idea of settlements in the West Bank was in the beginning seemed quite out of touch, but now we have a few hundreds of them. If you're a parent, you likely have a steady hum of questions following you around all day. Am I doing enough? Am I doing too much? Why does everyone on my feed have an opinion and why does it all seem so urgent? setting out to find some answers. I'm Dr. Shoshana Ungerleiter and this month on my podcast,
Starting point is 00:15:59 TED Health. I'm investigating the intersection of health and parenting, getting practical tips to hopefully ease your parenting anxieties and help your kids feel calmer too. Listen to this series only on TED Health. IDF chief, staff, lieutenant general, Ayal, Zemir, yeah, has been warning of a possible manpower collapse for the military. to all of these offensive and defensive military actions that are going on. I just, like, how urgent is that concern and what would that look like if his fears came true? It's not clear if this warning was part of a political game or a real thing, because there is an internal discussion, political discussion in Israel about the Haredim, the ultra-Ordox, 90% of them do not serve in the army. and there is a huge political discussion in Israel
Starting point is 00:16:59 when the parties of the center-right, center and center-left demand that they will go to the army because there is such a shortage of soldiers in the army. So it's not clear if what Zamir said was part of this internal political issue, but it certainly represents a problem Israel, it cannot control the Middle East.
Starting point is 00:17:29 It cannot control Iran. It cannot occupy Iran. It certainly cannot take Iran and Lebanon at the same time. It's still a small country. So certainly there are here limits, and maybe Yalzimir echoed them. I think what happened after October 7, it was before. The signs were before, but certainly, after October 7,
Starting point is 00:17:57 Netanyahu took off the table any option of a negotiated deal. I'm not talking about peace, just ceasefire deal, political deal with other parties in the Middle East. The strategy is now total security,
Starting point is 00:18:16 meaning that if there's any threats, no matter where, in Iran, in Qatar, in Syria, in Lebanon, Israel will hit. And now Netanyahu himself, but other also, even talking about Turkey as the next opponent to fight. So once Israel set on this the path of Super Sparta, again, that's the word of Netanyahu in another speech about a year ago. We said that
Starting point is 00:18:48 Israel is a Super Sparta. If Israel is going on this path, one day or another, it will face this problem of shoulders of soldiers. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu wants his nation to become a Super Sparta, a bastion of economic self-sufficiency in the face of international pressure over the genocide in Gaza. When Netanyahu talked about Super Sparta, he later tried to explain that he meant that it will be self-sufficient on defense. We are going to produce an independent arms industry, very powerful, very strong, that can withstand any kind of international political constraints and will provide security for the state of Israel.
Starting point is 00:19:32 This is what I envision for the state. But when you say Super Spartan Netanyahu is the son of an historian, it means a mentality that the whole society has one goal, and that is to fight forever, that the goal of the society, that this society is being moved, move itself when it is going to walk. I want to pivot a little bit here and ask you about, we'll talk a little bit more about
Starting point is 00:20:12 the Palestinians. And perhaps we could start with this controversial new death penalty law. The man popping champagne is Israel's far right national security minister, Itamar Ben-Ghir. And what he's celebrating is the death penalty, specifically a new law that just passed Israel's Parliament approving the death penalty for Palestinians convicted of killing Israelis. Israel has had the death penalty pretty much its entire existence, as I understand it, although only for certain crimes and it has hardly ever been used. How is this new law that has made international headlines different? It is true that Israel had that penalty from its very beginning.
Starting point is 00:20:56 That penalty exists also in the martial law, which governs. the Palestinian in the West Bank and Gaza, but it was never used against Palestinian, and it did not exist in the civil law. Now the difference is that it went into the civil law also, not only in the military, there are also changes in the military. But the big issue is that in the civil law and also in the martial law, it is written that the data, the data, penalty will be applied only to those acting against Israel as a Jewish state. Now, again, it was not written literally that it will be applied only against Palestinian, but this phrase definitely means that if an Israeli will murder Palestinian, as, for example, Baruch Goldstein in the tomb of the patriarch.
Starting point is 00:21:57 On the 25th of February 1994, an American-Israeli, right settler Baruch Goldstein, entered the mosque during prayers and started shooting. He killed 29 worshippers and wounded nearly 200. He himself was chased down and beaten to death. Then he will not be sentenced to death because although he killed
Starting point is 00:22:16 Palestinian in prayer, he did not act against Israel as a Jewish state. This is, there's no other words than apartheid. Israel always fought this definition. of apartheid, but there's really no other way to describe it now. It's in the law itself, and it's quite clear.
Starting point is 00:22:40 But I think more than whether it will lead to execution and hanging of Palestinian because it will be with hanging, and that's the law says quite literally. I think it shows where the atmosphere in Israel, the public atmosphere now in Israel, this law was passed with a majority, even parties of what is called the opposition voted for this law. And the fact that Itamar Benghvir, the Minister of National Security, from the very extreme, right celebrated a law of death in the Knesset with trying to open a battle of champagne for death. And that's something that still, if there is anything Jewish about this Jewish state,
Starting point is 00:23:44 this goes against all Jewish values in the last 2,000 years. You mentioned Ben-Givir, Israel's national security minister, far-right ultra-nationalist. You know, I see that he wears, like, a new-shaped lapelpin in Parliament. I saw a video he made in, like, an execution chamber as well. Yeah. Kind of centered around this bill. I mean, this is all happening as monitoring groups have reported a spike in violence in the West Bank,
Starting point is 00:24:30 which I would also like to talk to you about violence. violence from Israeli settlers towards Palestinians. The Wall Street Journal is reporting that since late February, there have been 250 attacks on more than 100 Palestinian communities. At least seven Palestinians
Starting point is 00:24:46 were killed by settlers in March, the highest monthly toll in years. The UN rights chief says 36,000 people have been displaced. And I wonder if you could just tell me more about what has been happening in the West Bank. Yes. What's happening in the West Bank
Starting point is 00:25:02 is again a continuation of something that's going for years, but certainly since Betaros Mottrich, the head of another extreme right party, has become his now finance minister, but also minister in the minister with defense responsible for the West Bank. He changed really a lot of rules and laws in order to widen the settlements. He gave a lot of money.
Starting point is 00:25:32 to small settlements, to illegal settlements, to all kind of farms, where you have very few people that what they do actually is harassing and harass Palestinian communities. And what happened is that in the last few months, these settlers are kind of copying what is, what Israel did in Gaza of a policy of ethnic cleansing. Now, while in Gaza it was done officially by the government, by the army, here it is done by privately, I would say, the ethnic cleansing was privatized,
Starting point is 00:26:18 and they do it with, of course, the help of the army that supervise and does not interfere. but what they do is that they attack these communities, they open fire if they seem necessary for them, and they killed and they spread terror, and many communities have left. What happened in the last few weeks is that it seems that they went a little bit too far by these attacks because they attacked also soldiers, because they attacked also Christian communities there
Starting point is 00:26:57 and there is a pressure from the American administration. And now in the last weeks, in the Israeli media, you talk more about them. They are named terrorists, these Jewish settlers, this is a term that is usually used only for Palestinian, not for Jews. So there is some kind of change of art here. It has to be seen if it's a real change or only some kind of PR in order to satisfy the Americans. Okay.
Starting point is 00:27:34 I just want to be clear about one thing you said, the escalation or some of the escalation that we've seen is settlers attacking IDF soldiers, right? Yes. Officially the sovereign power in the West Bank is the Israeli army. That's according to the Israeli army. very low because these areas were not annexed. So sometimes soldiers come and, for example, when these settlers build another illegal settlement, another illegal farm,
Starting point is 00:28:10 soldiers would come and dismantle it according to the laws of the martial laws that exist in the West Bank, so then they are being attacked. You know, Maron, everything that we've talked about today, there is so much going on here. And, you know, we've talked about Gaza throughout. We haven't even addressed that directly. Over the weekend, we saw an airstrike kill at least four Palestinians. According to Medics, Israel said it was targeting a militant cell near its troop.
Starting point is 00:28:40 But the ceasefire is very fragile, as my point. And the human situation, there remains critical. What impact is all of what we have talked about today together? taking on the politics of Israel? Israel is experiencing a very politically, a very bizarre phenomenon that is maybe hard to understand from the outside. On the one hand, there is a wide sport for this parliamentality, for this Jenghis Khan strategy.
Starting point is 00:29:17 It is applied by the army without any hesitation, the war in Iran that is, according to me, completely illegal, is supported by so many Israelis. So on the other hand, Netanyahu himself, who is the instigator of these policies, is not enjoying it politically. He is viewed by Israelis as one who only cares about his political calculations. that he's doing all this to avoid going to prison and there are supposed to be election on October 26th and is lagging very far behind. So it's quite peculiar that the acceptance of his ideology
Starting point is 00:30:13 and strategy is not translated to political power or to political support. This is quite peculiar, but it is going on for some years, so it does seem that this is here to stay. Okay, Mayor Ron, thank you, as always, for being here. Really appreciate it. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:30:48 All right, that's all for today. I'm Jamie Plessall, and thanks so much for listening. Talk to you tomorrow. For more CBC podcasts, go to cbc.ca. It's.

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