FULL SEND PODCAST - Bryan Johnson | Ep. 182

Episode Date: January 21, 2026

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try it out i've never seen that before yeah we test it for it's honestly kind of soft too i was impressed by it yeah yeah out of five stars how many would you give it it's just like eco-friendly Well, basically you're trying to eliminate toxins. Yeah. So, like, don't die is like, find everything that could kill you and don't do that. What's wrong with conventional toilet paper? I think it's everything has toxins. Foods, air, water, clothing, like, it's just everywhere.

And so identifying where those toxins are and then trying to minimize those. What's that? Zin. Are you doing it now? I just have one in, yeah. I like doing it one. It's not okay. It's for your crib.

Is that cool? No, no, it's true. It's actually cool. Yeah. The problem, though, it creates vasodilation. Dins? Yeah. And that's bad?

So, yeah, so it will make your... So basically you have less blood flow to your face, which will make your face age. Ah. What about this thing? Babes. That's way worse for sure. VAPE? Yeah.

Not a good idea. What's something that we don't know ask people about VAPS that you could tell us? I mean, it's just not good. It's not something that makes your lungs better or your body better. Yeah. Yeah. And if you look at some of the biomarkers, you'll see that... it could have some negative effects.

How'd you go for being like a tech wizard? And I want to talk about that, because that's an interesting story too, but to learning all about the biohacking stuff. Like, how did you learn all this stuff? I love to read history. And when you go back hundreds of years, you see certain times where people saw certain things.

They saw the future. And if they actually, if people were to stop and say, I see it too, they could have lived better lives. For example, like in 1870, there was a crazy idea that microscopic objects called bacteria are the source of infection. And so when that new idea came out, people were like, that's stupid. You know, like half the people were.

And so the reaction in the community was half the people were, doctors were not called gentlemen. They couldn't practice. They didn't want to be in the community practicing the medicine, so they didn't believe in this new idea. Turns out, bacteria is real. It can cause infection. It can lead to death. And so if you hear that idea and you're like, that's stupid, you might die. And so the question is, what ideas are there in the world right now?

They're actually true. And if they are true, may actually be in your best interest to do those things. So that was the goal. And so I think basically the inside is I'm trying to achieve immortality by the year 2039. Wait, wait, wait, 239. You're 47? 48. 14 years from now.

That's right. Immortality? Basically longevity, escape velocity, where one year of time passes. and you can stay the same age biologically. So wait, define immortality, that? Or is it? Basically, it's just like, once you arrest biological aging, you still have the risk of getting killed in some accident,

but you're not going to die of cancer or of metabolic, you know, of cardiovascular disease or something else. So you take away the biggest risk factor for death. And so that's, I think we're, there's error bars around that, but I think it's reasonable as a target, But yeah, I mean, we're, my team and I are currently targeting that as a date where a year will pass and I will stay the same age. And not only that, I'll be, so that's 14 years. I'll be 62 chronologically. But if the technology is actually advances to what we think, my body would probably be closer to a 20 year old. Really? When you say that too, you're talking about like your heart and your brain will stay the same age.

That's right. How do you control that? I mean, there's technology. Now it's like, think about like this where when, when, you're, you're talking about, you're, you're not. I'm, you're talking about. when a man and a woman procreate, the man contributes to sperm, the woman contributes an egg. They combine. And so even though the father may be 30 years old, the mother may be 30 years old, when those two things combine, it basically goes back to zero. The baby starts at zero.

And so our bodies already have the ability to take age cells and make it zero. And there are new technologies that do that outside of procreation. can take an adult cell, like one of your cells, and take it back to zero. It's not fully developed yet where you just can't do it today, but that you can basically reverse time in biology. So what are the ways you test that where your body is staying the same age? Like, how do you, what is it considered right now? So it depends on the body part. So for example, like, I've measured, I'm the most measured person in human history. And so we've measured the biological age of my brain, but you can measure like 20 or 50 different age markers of the brain. You can measure the age of your heart,

your lung, your pancreas, your liver. You can measure like hundreds of biological ages for the body. So, for example, one of my oldest age is my left ear. It's age 64. So I shot a lot of guns. What? 64. 64.

What about the right? That's a good question. Yeah, like 45. 45. Wow. So you have better hearing in your right ear. Exactly. So I shot kids. I shot guns as a kid and they also listened to a lot of music.

Shot kids, yeah. Yeah. Scratch that one. Clip it. So, yeah, I have hearing damage in my left ear. And so, but then, like, in any ways, like, if you look at my blood and glucose control, my cardiovascular ability, my fertility, my DNA, they're all roughly age 18. So in many ways, my body runs, like an 18-year-olds, like a legit 18-year-old.

And then other ways, my body is old, like my air. So when you wake up, you feel like you're in an 18-year-old body? You have, like, more energy. I do. Walk us through your daily routine. Yeah. Yeah. It's about five hours long.

So the morning begins, before I go to bed at 8.30, and I try to be on time every night, like within like 15 minutes. So what time do you sneak into bed then? If you're asleep by 8.30. Like 8.20. I typically have a book in my hand,

and I'll read for 10 minutes. So I try to be in bedded, and I'll fall asleep within one minute. But I saw recently you've got a girl now, right? So does that switch up the bedtime a little bit? No, because we don't sleep in the same bed. Oh, ever. That's a good tactic for sleeping better for sure.

Exactly, right? I mean, honestly, sleeping together is crazy. I agree. It gets annoying. Do what you got to do and then go to the other room. That's where I'm at. Especially when the girl wants to like cuddle all night. Yeah.

Like you got to like cuddle and then it's like, okay, turn over to your side so I could be, you know what I'm saying? It's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. So I go to bed at 30. I sleep for eight hours. I'll wake up like at 4.35 naturally.

And then I do like a five hour routine. So I'll do 10 minutes of breath work. I'll then get a light into my eyes, 10,000 lux. This is like sunlight equivalent. I'll eat at breakfast with some protein. Then I'll work out for an hour. I'll do sauna for 20 minutes, and then I'll do hyperbaric oxygen therapy.

And then my morning routine wraps. What's something you do in your daily routine that you secretly don't like doing it? I love it. You love everything. I love it so much. It's like my daily ritual. It's like my daily prayer.

And when I don't get to do it, I'm Henri. Do you cold plunge too? I don't. Is that what you don't think it's good? It's just not evidence. It doesn't pass the evidence bar as a longevity therapy. It may make you feel good, which is cool, but there's not evidence that it's actually a good longevity therapy.

Really? Yeah. Because that's like the new thing, right? Everyone's cold plunging. I love doing it. I love the way it makes me feel like right when I get out. Yeah. It's a great high.

Yeah. You're saying there's no studies that prove that it benefits the human body. There's benefits. Like you definitely, there's some feel good effects. You know, there's some other potential benefits. but as a longevity therapy. What we've tried to say is like, in the world of things you can do for your health,

the list is endless. And so you have to narrow it down some way and say, what do I do and what don't I do? And so the filter we use is we said, what things will slow down my speed of aging or extend or reverse age. But we're basically trying to get to that immortality point where we're trying to get the point

where my body stops aging. When did you become so focused on this? 42. So after you made your money, right? Exactly. It seems like you have to be worth at least $100 million to like have even this thought that this is possible. If I had somebody in my life who could have coached me in my 20s to do this, I would do it. I just didn't know.

I bought the story that when you are in your 20s and you're ambitious, the script is to grind. You don't sleep much. You don't eat well. You don't exercise. And you kind of just tolerated because it's like it's what you do. And you want to kind of brag about, you're kind of cool with three and four hours of sleep, and it's kind of a flex. But you're just kind of wearing yourself down.

And so... I think the other point, though, is like, when you're in your 20s, you're not worried about death as much as you are as you get whatever later in life. So if you change in your 20s, how much would that change your position now? Like, my son is 20. And he's been doing this with me for the past four years. And I envy him. You know, like to imagine doing this when you're 16 years old.

Because even in your 20s, when you don't... fill it that much, you're still accumulating the damage. Your body still has the wear and tear. And then when the 30s hit in 40s, it all of a sudden manifest in these pretty brutal ways. But it just, it's basically it's a hidden cost. It's like you're spending money from a bank account and you can't see that bank account is going negative. So what's like the supplement regimen after you finish your morning routine? I take about, you know, I'm probably in the range of like 30-ish pills right now. And is that based on like your blood work? Maybe 15% of it, most of it is generic, like creatine, for example, vitamin D, vitamin E. So basic things that

everyone gets on the daily basis. Going back to, and I'm sure this is like the most common question you get, but we're going to use your son as an example because he's 20. Yeah. His life is going to change drastically and people might say he's not even really living if he's only focused on living forever at an early age of, because 20 is young. So do you think he's going to miss out on certain things that he can enjoy in life when he's so hyper-focused on what you're doing as well? It's a good question and this is probably the most common question I get is people see what I do and they say, bro, so living, so busy trying to not die, he ain't living.

It's like the most common thing. And what they're getting at is they're basically saying in 2025, humans have an understanding of life that we do these death rituals as part of who we are. So for example, it's acceptable and normal to get things. three hours to sleep, sleep under your desk, drink on the weekends, do all your things. That's living. And the irony is it's actually slow boil suicide, but our culture calls it living. And so it's really weird.

So if you just fast forward in time to 2035, those that exist in 2035, the podcast that takes place in 2035 here will look back at 2025 and be like, those motherfuckers were killing themselves and thinking it was cool. Like that's so weird. So we're just in a moment of time where we just, we can't see it. It definitely is transitioning, though. Like, health is in. Yeah.

I mean, you can't be the only guy who's trying this out right now, right? I've heard some crazy stories of like Saudi princes or like middle, sorry, Middle Eastern. I first think like, Elon has to do us. People in the UAE are like creating labs and like taking like cells from babies and like trying to do the same thing, right? Have you heard any of those stories? Yeah, I know all these people. Yeah. People, people.

You guys have a group chat? I mean, yes. People are doing, people are doing a variety of things for their health. And you're right, it is changing. It's still weirdly hasn't crossed total zeitgeist, where there's still like leftover ideas of that if you're not doing these, if you're not drinking, letting loose and having a fast food meal every once a while, you're not fully living life.

So there's still some hangover on that. Did you ever eat fast food? Yeah, yeah, I did. When was your last fast food meal? I had chili cheese fries a couple years ago because my oldest son was like, Dad, I don't know if I believe this. You're really into this and I was like,

all right, let's give it a go. So I said, I'll eat whatever you want me to eat. So he got me some chili cheese fries. They're probably fire though, right? I got so sick. I ate like, I don't know, maybe 10, and I thought this is bad news. I already feel the situation and this is going to be bad.

Did you keep it down and do you throw it? No, I stopped and he let me stop, but I was sick for a while. How long? Drinking, do you ever drink back in the ever? Not much. I was raised Mormon, so we didn't drink. And then I left the Mormon church. I had a couple years where I was kind of experimented with alcohol,

but never more than a few times. What do you think is the biggest thing people do that makes them age faster? Sleep. Yeah? Yeah. Not alcohol, just sleep, sleep, sleep, something or anything? So the reason why I would have done, if I sleep is when you don't sleep well, your prefrontal cortex goes offline and your willpower

plummets. So that means the next day in the morning when you can either eat the croissant or eat the bowl of berries, you're going to eat the croissant. Because even though you don't want to, you know how it's going to make you feel. And then when lunch arrives, you have the big cookie and whatever, you just can't hold yourself back. And so that's why sleep, because sleep kills willpower, willpower just pummelts you. Then when you engage in those bad habits, you lose even more willpower. So when people feel out of control,

it's usually because they have no willpower or reserve left. They've spent all of it. And they're just an animal just like kind of succumb to their passions. You have the highest sleep score, right? I do. Yeah, I saw that. What is it? The marker of good sleep is you want to,

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What do you wear? I wear a wop and I have a bed that tracks it as well. All the, uh, the wearerbts. Oh, what bed? Do you have like, what kind of bed do you have? Eight sleep. Eight sleep. Does that make a huge difference?

It does. How much are those? I think the... Like 3K, right? something like that? Thereabouts. And I think maybe the topper is a bit less. So what does that do?

It does temperature control. And that's a huge thing? The body's very sensitive to temperature. When did you get that bed? Years ago. And how, like, does it really change a lot? It's one of the reasons why I hate traveling so much. See, that's why I don't want to get one.

It doesn't. It ruins it. Really? Because people have told me to get one, but we travel so much that I'm like, I feel like I'm not going to be able to sleep. I already don't like sleeping in some hotels. Yeah, I'm going to get one for sure. I didn't know that they're that cheap. What is the biggest effect that it keeps you asleep or makes you fall asleep faster?

It's the routines. So the body wants to be on a schedule. It wants to do things at a certain time. And it's your circadian rhythm. So I build my entire life around my circadian rhythm. That's why when I go to bed at 8.30, it's precisely at 8.30 because the body says, I want it to bed right now. So spinning up all these biological processes.

If you wait and go to bed at 1130, which I'll go to bed at 1130, which I'll be in bed at 830, which a lot of people do that and they think, oh, that's fine, I can just sleep in that much longer than next morning. It doesn't work that way. So, for example, one reason why is at 8.30 p.m., my body's kickstarting the process where a trash collector rolls through my body and it picks up garbage. And if I'm not asleep at 830, the trash collector doesn't come. So the garbage builds up in my body. So as an example, so you can't miss your bedtime and let those processes happen. What's three tips for, like, improving your sleep?

Number one is have your final meal of the day four hours before bed. So if your bedtime is 10 p.m. don't eat after six. And that just keeps you asleep longer or just deep? It gives your body time to digest. And when your body has that distance, it will lower its body temperature. You'll have blood glucose will be down. Your melatonin is produced. So it gets the body in a more relaxed state.

If you have eaten like a half hour or an hour before, your body is busy to be digesting. You have higher blood glucose. your body's hotter. So you have longer sleep onset. So eight, four hours before bed. Number two is you need like an hour wind down routine. So if your bedtime's 10 p.m., when 9 p.m. comes, you want to have screens off and spend that hour like doing things that relax. You read a book, breathwork, meditation, hang out with a friend, call a family member, anything but be on your screen.

TV is not as bad as phone, right? It depends. Phone is the worst. before sleep, bro. Yeah. I know. Phone's so, like, when you're scrolling through, oh, but it's so hard not to sometimes, but that just makes your mind just, it keeps you awake.

And especially if you wake up in the middle of the night, you grab your phone, you're screwed. Oh, I never do that. That's the worst thing ever. It's changed. It's fucked me up. What was the third? Probably something positive, such as reading a book for 10 minutes. Is it, like, just before you go to bed, a book in hand and read it for 10 minutes.

And that is as powerful as a sleep medication. But that helps wind your body down. I don't know, but as powerful. Well, it depends on what you're taking. There's levels to it. I think there's that, yeah. I think actually on some metrics, it's more powerful than sleep meds.

It's, it's really, I mean, look at the evidence. It's really good. Well, I actually saw something recently, and someone sent me that, like, melatonin studies are being done that it affects your heart. I don't know if you've seen that. Yeah, what's up with that? Do you have melatonin?

I take it every night. You do five milligrams? Yeah, because I have trouble sleeping. You like melatonin? I do 300 MCG. So a third of a milligram. A melatonin? Yeah.

You think it's too high right now? Like 10 milligrams are highest. I feel like every kid takes it. Salim Chow's Melatonin. Yeah, man. Because, I mean, it's hard for me to sleep within like 20 minutes of being on my bed. Like, I stay on my phone too. So I'm not without melatonin and 30 minutes after I'll be done.

Yeah. I'll be out to sleep. So I, this would be my bet is you could actually stop taking melatonin if you eat four hours before bed, get off your phone, 60 minutes before bed and read a book. And that will be 10x more powerful than melatonin. Yeah. Yeah. Are you going to try it out?

You know, reading's tough. I'll try reading. You can't do an audio book. You have to actually read, too. Let me try. Do the experiment. Do both. The phone's the worst.

It is. You know, it's the worst two phone right in the morning. Yeah. But it's so like, I'll go through phases where, like, I won't touch my phone right in the morning and I'll try to like not. But it's so hard. Yeah, it's the toughest thing ever. I could see the digesting part, like eating four hours before.

I mean, not having so much in your stomach. And then, you know, going to sleep right away, it's like, you're having so much in your stomach. Yeah, I can agree with that. I'll tell you guys this, that people who have been around me for several years now, and they've heard me say these things. And it's kind of landed, but they haven't done it for a variety of reasons. Then they finally do it. They come back to me and they say, this is the most significant life-changing thing.

I have ever had. Because once you start sleeping well, everything in your life changes. So do you not wake up at all? No. Occasionally I'll get... Do you ever go to the bathroom in the middle of the night? Occasionally.

I always do. I've been trying to cut off my water by a certain time. Yeah. I go to bed. I piss in the middle of the night probably twice. Yeah. If I do once, that's like a good night. What's your...

But I drink a lot of water. Yeah. On what time? I mean, yeah, I will drink it like before bed too. It's like you got to cut off. But I'm also working out a lot and like, running so yeah i need to drink a lot of water too yeah it's like yeah so one thing you can do on that is do you use electrolytes at all yeah okay how much like a thousand milligrams a day okay

you could try to increase that increase it yeah a little bit just to hold the water you know what i hate is going to the bathroom right before you got to got to sleep like fuck like you're getting up and i know should i just play it so quick yeah might not and then yeah exactly you have to do that you guys try this for the the liquid thing i try to stop drinking fluids around 4 p.m. So I hydrate very heavily in the morning. So I've lately I've been consuming around 4 to 5,000 milligrams of sodium per day. What? Because I work out really hard, so I sweat a lot. Yeah. And I do sauna. I do 200 degrees in a dry sauna. And so we've been measuring my sodium levels, my potassium, my magnesium,

trying to, because I thought this might be too much, but my levels are still in the ideal range. but I've been heavily hydrating with electrolytes because sometimes... And what do you take for electrolytes? Like what? My company has. Okay. Yeah, we buy our own stuff. We test it for toxins, stuff like that. But by having the right electrolyte balance, that will help you stop urinate. So if you drink too much water and your electrolyte balance is off, you'll urinate more.

Because you're not holding the water, right? Exactly. That's right. So if you have the proper electrolyte balance and you push your order in the day, you can, you can reduce the probability of wake up. And then the other way you can actually address the wake up and the not back to sleep is that's all about the wind down routine. So right before bed, if you're on your phone, you're scrolling, you're texting, you're doing work, you're spinning up thoughts that are arousing you.

So you fall asleep and you wake back up, that's the first thing you're thinking about, right? The thing you're doing just before bed. Yeah. So that's the thing that nails you. That's why this wind down routine is so important. You need to say, like, I'm going to calm my body down. Even though it's painful.

Like, everyone's a dickens your phone. No, you're so right. You're so right. Well, what's the first thing you do when you wake up? Oh, don't look at my phone. Yeah. Yeah. When do you look at your phone, how long after you wake up?

Depends on if there's something pressing going on. But typically 30, 60, 90 minutes, something like that. Do you have like an emergency phone in your room? I don't. No. And you have no alarm. No. Do you just wake up?

Oh, wow. Yeah. I'm interested in what you said at 42 you thought about this. Was there one specific reason you were like, okay, I want to live forever? Or it's something changing your life? for you're like, I got to attempt this? It's just the question, if you lived in the year, you know, 1600 or 1700 or 1800, the question would be, what is the one thing in existence that you could do that would matter

a few hundred years from now? And there's typically only one or two things per generation that has that kind of longevity. And sometimes people are born into a time and place where there's just not many things you can do. But before this, before technology really was rolling, it was maybe a great book, or maybe it was, you know, political accomplishments or some other form of artistry. Now, I think the most epic thing that a human could aspire to right now is to not die. And so that's why, when I was 42, I thought, like, what goal would I want to have? That's the apex goal that a human can have on planet Earth in this time right now. Do you think that's positive for everybody, though?

to have that goal to live forever? Because I feel like it's kind of case-dependent. But so you'll, you think you'll never die? I think that's the first time that a human can realistically have that goal. In our history, in our, since Earth was formed,

it is the first time that a biological species could say, we may not die. And our, based on that goal, are you relying on, like, the future of, like,

medicine and science as well? Like, not what's currently available? 100%. What do you think is going to become, like, like we said, 10 years from now, what's going to be, you know, different

and what's going to be more accessible? I mean, there's things, for example, like we'll probably be able to replace our organs. You'll probably be able to replace your kidney with a new kidney. That's pretty straightforward. We can do kidney transplants. There are some things like the brain is going to be really hard,

so we have to figure out how do you reverse the age in the brain? That's going to be probably the hardest one. There's new therapies that people are working on right now where you can just reverse the age of your cells from, you know, a 48-year-old cell back to a baby. And so right now there's risks with that technology because there's off-target effects. Like you could have, you could create cancer with that.

So you need to fix it up. But still, there's a possibility that in some near time frame, you get a therapy that wipes out 10 years of your biological age. And this biohacking space is so new still, right? Like with medicine and the way it's advancing in science, I can only imagine what's going to be available. I feel like you have to get some backlash Because being a human, I feel like part of it is death, right?

And I think for some people, there's like that daily pressure that you know you're going to die one day, so you want to accomplish as much as you can in your life. But that changes if you're trying to live forever. So do people come after you for like everything you're trying to do? Certainly. And if you go back in time, you look at the big shifts that have happened in society. Universal human rights was not a thing. It just became a thing recently.

And there's been major ideas or democracy. that somebody could vote. So ideas change, society changes, people's expectations the world change. And so in 2035, it could just be common wisdom that it's not a good idea to die. When you look back at 2025 and you're looking at them like historical figures and being like, they just accepted death and they have this yolo mentality, which is why a lot of people do stuff. They'll drink and smoke and not sleep well and eat well because they'll say, what else am I going to do, bro? Like, how else am I going to live life? Like, you're not living life. but they're just under a certain moral framework that will be outdated.

They don't understand how fast things are changing. It is important, too, though. Like, financial situation is going to change everything. Because someone who doesn't or has to go to work every day, like you were successful. I know you weren't rich your whole life, but there's people that work at the corner coffee shop that go to a nine to five that aren't even, this isn't even, they're crossing their mind

because they don't think it's possible for them. Yeah. So it's situational. In some ways, though, you know, but the thing that any person has, most people have access to is if they need emergency help, there's a medical infrastructure that could actually help them. Whereas that wasn't the case before.

Or when they drink water out of a tap, it's clean. There's like someone watching out for them, there's not toxins. Or when they get certain food supply. So we do, as a society, we've built up these really basic things to increase the health and wellness of society generally. It's not perfect. Right. But my goal is not just for me.

My goal is for everybody. And so people, when I bring that, they'll say, well, aren't you worried about overpopulation? Sure, like, that's a downstream problem. But my goal is to say, hey, humanity, this is an epic situation. And it would be a good idea for all of us to say, let's give it a go. It's kind of the coolest adventure we could go on. What about like wrinkles? Yeah.

Do you get Botox? I don't. So you can stop, you think you can look this way when you're 80? With the technology's coming, yeah, I think so. I better. But what do you got to tell somebody, you look like that, you're going to tell somebody, hey, I'm 80. Like, they're going to assume you're like, probably 40.

Yeah. So you see someone in public and you're 80 years old and you look like that. It's going to throw people off. Exactly. And they'll probably be like telltale signs. It would be something like we have figured out how to deage the skin. We figured out how to whatever, whatever, but we can't stop the ears from growing. You know, like as you age, your ears get bigger.

And so the telltale sign may be something like a, I'm biologically 18, but my ears are like a 64-year-old and we haven't been able to solve that. Mine is a total ear transplant, which is just too complicated. So I'm guessing there will be things we can't solve, which will ultimately reveal someone's true age. Yeah.

But they won't be at risk of a heart attack or cancer because the risk will be in check because they're biologically young. What's the oldest person to ever live right now? Do you know? If I'm not mistaken, it's 121. They're about 124, somewhere there. So you think in our lifetime,

how old will people be living? I think it's a possibility that we just won't have a cap. If we get to a point by 20, 39, so for example, right now, my speed of aging is 0.50, which means for every 12 months that pass, I age six months. So I'm aging at half the normal speed. So that's been one of our primary goals is slow down your speed of aging. So you're accumulating less aging damage. If I can slow my speed of aging down to 0.25, let's just make it up.

then for every year I only age three or four months. And with that certain amount of aging, if I can reverse that aging damage for therapies, I'm back to zero on that year, right? I haven't aged. So that's the goal is slow it down as much as you can. Then whatever you do age, get therapies to reverse that.

So what are you doing besides just like the stuff everyone can do in terms of obviously good sleep, good diet? Like are you doing any like stuff for the cells or like stem cell? There's really honestly not been any fancy therapies that have worked. I've tried them all. I've done stem cells. I've done exosomes. Are those bullshit?

They just need to be specifically done for a certain thing and they need to be medical grade and otherwise a lot of people hear stem cells. People hear words And it's expensive, right? It's expensive. A lot of celebs are getting... They hear stem cells, they hear peptides, they hear

red light therapy and they think, good, good, but it's not as clean as that. There's nuances, it's good in some context, they have a bad end of the context, they're not characterized fully, there's some risks. So it's just complicated, but a lot of people just hear them, I think, good, I'm going to do it, but it's not the case. So what are you doing? That's so different. Like, I mean, all you said so far was like good sleep, going to bed at a good time. What about for your heart? Like, how do you keep your heart young? Best therapy I do by far is the

avoidance of harm, which is number one thing. I don't do fast. Being sober and stuff and being healthy. Don't consume sugar. I go to bed on time. I, you know, I don't sit for long periods of time. I don't breathe toxic air, I don't drink toxic water, I just avoid harm. And that is probably the most effective therapy I do. How much money do you think you've spent on trying to stay on? About $5 million. But that money is primarily allocated towards researchers and scientists who do all the research. We've been trying to go to the literature and say what things do work. Because the key is figuring out what works and how you do it. So for example, if I didn't have that kind of research, I might be spending my time cold plunging, which wouldn't have the effects

that we're looking for. Or I might be doing something like juicing all the time because if we think juice cleanses are like the key to, but that wouldn't have the effects we want. So we need to figure out in a very precise matter what to do, what not to do, and then spin up all the tests. And the majority of the money I've spent has been on research and then testing myself, trying to measure everything in my body. So you're kind of using yourself as like a test dummy for the future in a way? Yeah. I wonder if like, when you turn, we'll go 175, you're going to be like, all right, I'm over this shit. Like, has that hit your mind?

Like, there might be a point where I'm just going to be over it. This is such a fun thought experiment. Today's Wednesday. Do you have stuff going on tomorrow? Yeah. Friday? Yeah. So, when you're 175 and I ask you the same question, you're going to tell me you're doing something.

So living for tomorrow and living forever are the same ideas. It's just when a human thinks about living forever, it breaks their brain, they're like, I would be bored. But if you put it in the frame of living for tomorrow, you always have something to do tomorrow. It's the same idea. Living forever is just tomorrow. Well, I guess it's a good thing you got money

because they're going to have grandkids on grandkids forever. Great, great, great, great, great. Can you imagine that for union? Yeah, it's going to be insane. It's going to get out of control. Totally out of control. But this is, I want to be very clear, everything I learn, I share with everyone in the world for free.

I don't charge for it. I don't gate it. I share everything. What works, what doesn't work. I encourage people to follow these practices. And this is not about me achieving immortality. It's about helping everybody achieve, you know. I say immortality because it's like an interesting idea,

but really it's about being healthy right now. What's the biggest cause of death, you know, besides like a car crash or like anything like that? You know, it's a good question. I think it's cardiovascular disease, if I'm not mistaken, but I need to look that up. It's good question. How about like cancer?

Because like a lot of people die from cancer. Yeah, I mean, for example, in India, they would do more for their population by correcting for air pollution than by curing cancer. So there's different toxins have different costs. What do you think is like, do you have a theory or like, do you know anything about the causes of cancer? I mean, mechanistically, we know what happens. We know, you know, at a cellular level, we know what happens.

We know what happens when you can increase the risk of cancer. When your body's in poor health, you have a higher risk of cancer occurring. When you're older, you have a higher risk of cancer occurring. when you're older you have a higher risk of cancer occurring when your immune system is not as good. So like, for example, okay, here's, for example, when you get four hours of sleep per night or less for a few days, your NK cells, which are the cells that survey your body for cancer, they go down in activity by roughly 70%. So a way to increase risk of cancer is low sleep.

Because when you don't get adequate sleep, your body is so stressed about the situation. it stops looking for cancer by 70%. So what's your diet like? The philosophy is that every calorie has to fight for its life. We went through all the scientific evidence. We ranked all foods. We said, what are the power law foods? So I don't want to just eat any random food.

I want to find the healthiest food in the world. The second, healthiest in the world, the third, if you can rank it like that. So it's basically a lot of legumes, which are beans, lentils, et amame, berries, nuts, seeds, extra virgin olive oil is basically what I eat. You take olive oil shots, right?

Yeah. Do you like those or no? Yeah, they're good. I eat olive oil with everything. I eat more calories with olive oil. I consume more calories via olive oil than any food in my diet. So are you vegan? I don't use those words, but you don't eat meat?

I don't eat meat. I do consume collagen peptides, but the whole argument around paleo, carnivore, vegan, I just don't buy it. do you maintain muscle or protein? So I do 130 grams of protein per day. And shakes or? Yeah, it's pee and hemp protein. Okay. That's lentils, etymase, beans, uh, collagen peptides. But yeah, my muscle mass is in the top 99th percentile of all men. Wow. How many of these guys do you see on the internet that try and do some like liver king, right, when he had his face that are just trying to promote this stuff? Like, can you call him out right away and be like, that's bullshit? I try not to call

anyone out, and just say, measure your biomarkers and share them. Yeah. Eat whatever you want. Do whatever protocol you want. I don't care. Whatever your ideology is, great. Just test your body and report it out. Do you eat fruit? I do. A lot of berries, blueberries, raspberries. Do you have your girlfriend on that same regimen? She's like the, like the 80%, the 20% to get the 80% benefit. You might be with her for a long time. Exactly. She's, it's taken her a few years, like, to roll through. she used to eat a lot of, she used to work at McDonald's, and she actually ate McDonald's,

but she's made a lot of life changes. Did you ever eat McDonald's? I did, yeah, as a kid. What was your favorite? You know, all of it. As a kid, as a, you know, teenagers, like, McDonald's or Burger King? Uh, Mickey, oh, you know, the Wopper was a,

after a while, the Big Mac gets old and you want to, like, do the Wopper? Well, what's going on. No, no, it's just a famous for that question. Oh, you are? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Is there something that you thought would work,

but didn't ever? Some of you tried on yourself? So many things. We did this therapy trying to rejuvenate my thymus, which is this gland right behind your sternum that takes care of your immune system. We did a human growth hormone. And we did it for 100 days. It worked. It regenerated my thymus, but it gave me a whole bunch of side effects. I messed up my lipids and had intracranial pressure. I did plasma exchanges. So you guys probably heard I took a leader of plasma for my son.

They took his blood, right? Right, exactly. Yeah, plasma. So the origin of that is that my father called me, and he said, I'm experiencing cognitive decline, which is scary. And he said, I will do anything to have my wits about me. And so we were looking at this new therapy.

There was a paper showing that a young mouse and an old mouse had been sewn together. They shared a circulatory system, and the old mouse got younger. So there was this idea that if you take fluids from a young mouse and put it into an older mouse, that it would rejuvenate. So I did this with my dad.

And when I did with my dad, my son's like, hey, I'll do it as well. So we made it like a family thing. The cool thing is my dad, it dramatically improved his health. So it lowered his speed of aging by 25 years equivalent for six months. It had no effect in me, though, because my health is pretty similar to my son, whereas my dad is, you know, not as good as health. So it's very experimental therapy. It's going on in a bunch of trials right now, but that's one experimental thing I did

where it didn't work, but it didn't work for my dad. So your son, for you, it didn't work. Exactly. So do you continue that with your dad too? We haven't. I've told my dad I'm willing to like if you wants it. People think it's weird, but like there's, you know, millions of blood transfers every day. It's a very common thing.

People get people, you know, actual organs. So it's a very common practice that. I mean, this stuff's just so new too, right? Yeah. That it's like, it sounds crazy, right? It's, well, the one thing I think about is how, like, you're investing everything into this. So how cautiously do you move now from like being afraid of an accidental death.

Yeah, like, do you go on the car? I do. That's the scariest thing I do. Do you get scared going on the car? Yeah, I know the risk profile. It's driving high, right? And, yeah, I'm more scared from others, though, because I know everyone's on their fucking phones.

Is that the biggest accidental death fear is being in the car? Yeah. Is there anything else? Planes? I feel safe in plane. I'm a pilot. Oh, wow. Yeah, so flying is so safe.

What conversation led you to get to this deep into everything that you're doing now? Like, was there a conversation when you first started, like, with someone or, like, what was that switch? Because there's always a switch. Yeah, I did a thought experiment. I imagined being present in the year 2,500, so a few hundred years from now. And I imagined being there listening to them, and they're looking back in time at us in the early 21st century. And they're saying, amazing that they did blink. And I thought, what would they say?

Like, what would those guys say about our time and place? And I thought they would say, like, that's when humans gave birth to superintelligence. And that's when they figured out they weren't going to die. obvious. And the same way we look back at the 90s and we're like,

yeah, you know, the internet was born and the internet breeds e-commerce and e-commerce builds. We see these things obvious of like this natural

build process. So what's obvious to them that wouldn't be obvious to us today? So that was like, yeah, that sounds like it's right. Like this is, we're the first

immortal generation. It just seems like there has to be something else you're doing. That's just how it feels that we don't know about outside of what you've told us, right? How many people have come

you and then like just rich people out there people out there like hey can you help me live forever oh yeah every week i've got um some of the world's most powerful people who come through the house anyone you can name i never talk i never talk about them because you know they're doing a thing but no i mean like it's it's wild that i started doing this a couple years ago and people were like who is this oddball what's he doing and then over the past couple years we've got we've got a lot of credibility and so now people show up and they just want to know but they have no idea what like literally people think that wealthy people haven't figured out they do not they're just as lost as everybody else so i spend time i usually get a group of like 10 or 15 people will go through the whole house i'll

walk them through what works what doesn't work and get them on the right path so what was the light thing you said you do in the morning oh it's called 10 000 lux so when within like so that's not red light no because everyone thinks red light get in the sun right in the morning yeah that's this is different Exactly. So right to get your circadian rhythm locked in, there's so many benefits of getting light and eyes when you wake up. Within 15 to 30 minutes of waking up, you want to have light in your eyes, either from the sun or from a 10,000 lux device.

And so if you just that, I never heard of that. It's just basically like it looks like this almost. Yeah, it's a very similar pattern, but it won't damage your eyes. So what, you just, you look right into it? You can just have it on the periphery where it's like basically just tossing out light. So you can be doing your morning routine, like brush your teeth and. or reading or making your breakfast and just have a present. And then we'll lock in your circadian rhythm.

I feel like the major thing you're going to see when these people come through is they're going to have to stop doing a lot of what they're doing and completely change their life. And that's not going to happen in most cases, right? People, but anyone can do that. Anyone can, I mean, not anyone, but you can, I think anyone can improve their sleep. A little bit. But you're going to have to do nearly everything that you're doing if they're trying to achieve the same goal. So the thing is, though, people do what other.

people do. So when it's normal to go to bed on time, people will go to bed on time. When it's normal to exercise every day, when it's abnormal, when it's weird to vape, when it's weird to drink alcohol, people won't do it. So it's just once the cultural norm changes, everybody will change. So it's just, that's what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to normalize, don't die. Like that, of course, like, why would we want to be sick? Why would we want to feel shitty? That's stupid. Like, That doesn't make any sense. Do you ever get sick? Rarely.

When was the last time you got sick? Probably two years ago, I traveled with my son for the holiday and he had a cold and so I got it. Were you pissed at him? That was fine. You can't. You don't have time for that. Yeah, exactly. He motherfucker.

What if your son said, hey, dad, my whole life I've wanted to go skydiving for my birthday. Would you do it with him? No. Way too much risk. Yeah. I don't want to spray an ankle or twisted knee or something. How about cage diving with sharks? So actually, I have done some pretty, so when I sold my company at Berenchieve M.O.

And I did some of a bunch of adventure stuff. I drove a dog sled in the Arctic. I went to an active volcano in Iceland, like legit plate of lava. I did, I erased cars in the Moroccan desert, like a few things like that. I really enjoy adventure a lot. Those are all pretty safe. What do you do now besides your routine that, like, I'd say, is just different that makes you happy or like normal?

Like, do you watch any TV? Do you watch sports, anything like that? That's just... You still do the normal activities, like, or is it completely different? I'm probably pretty normal on... I don't drink. I don't watch TV before bed. I don't stay up late.

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Yeah. I mean, for me, it's a full-time job because I'm trying to be cutting edge. So my morning routine is five hours. And then throughout the day, I'll do, like, for example, today, you see all these boxes here on the table. I did over the weekend. I did five grams of psilocybin of magic mushrooms. Oh, yeah.

You did that recently, right? Yeah. Today you did it? On Sunday. The chocolates? Five grams? No, just mushroom powder. Wow.

Five grams is a shit done, no? Yeah, it's two milligrams shy of a hero dose. So you were full tripping? Yeah. Did you do it here? No, I did it in a different state, but I live streamed it. What? Yeah.

How did that go? It went really well. Dude, that's a huge. Where'd you go? What was the vibe? So what I did, we live streamed it, and then we had a bunch of friends come on that some of my tech friends came on. So I was tripping, and they were talking about psychedelics and

tech and stuff like that. Hamilton Morris came on. He did the pharmacopoeia. Okay. He's... Of course. Yeah. And then he came on and was hanging out. And then Grimes did a DJ set. Oh my God. Which was crazy good. Yeah, you had a good sign. Dude, this is crazy. This is impressive. Yeah, there were, up at one point there was a million concurrent streamers. Would you stream it on? We did XIG, YouTube. Wow. And Hawks. Streaming on Mushroom Sunts. Were you reading the chat? No. No. No. I was doing my thing, but it was people were so people are awesome so what do you think about psychedelics yeah did you see that new documentary like about the the veterans that are going to that spot in teawanna

mexico yeah that was a crazy documentary yeah so what do you think about psychedelics and where that's headed we're testing them for a longevity therapy so for the idea like there's an idea that ketamine or md.m. or psilocybin can be used for PTSD or depression or anxiety or you know something like that. MDMA is in that that's Molly? Yeah, exactly. It's in trials to be treating some kind of disorder. So there's the idea that psychedelics can fix broken things.

And so we're now testing can psilocybin be a longevity therapy? So if someone's, if someone's rattling off their stack and they're saying, what do you do for your health? It's like, well, you know, I go to bed on time, I sauna and I do psilocybin. That it would be a commonplace thing. Like instead of doing a cold plunge, psilocybin is part of your daily protocol. or you're part of your protocol. I didn't know Molly would be in that category, though.

So if you have PTSD, you could pop Molly and go to like Tomorrowland? We haven't shown it yet. But we're, we, this is, we measured 240-9 biomarkers on the mushrooms. So it's the most quantified psychedelic experiment ever. And so we're testing to say what happens to the body, the microbiome, the brain, inflammation. We're testing all these biomarkers. So what you see in the table is this morning we tested 149 biomarkers,

post-migms. treatment on Sunday. So we're saying like after doing the therapy, what happens to the body? And what were the conclusions? We'll see. We'll get the results back. Wait, I have a question about the shrooms because when I've taken shrooms, I feel terrible the next day. What was your last, where did you do last shrooms? Miami, 11, little chocolates with a couple other things. But you can't mix. Yeah. But even when I've just taken shrooms, like, I feel terrible the next day. So you didn't have any of those side effects. You didn't feel that bad, right? Well, my, like, my stomach hurt. I had a little

hangover kind of from it. Well, you also, what's in the chocolate, you've got sugar. Oh, that's true. Yeah, and there's a lot of toxins. And so, just like, if you want to control it, so this is pure psilocybin powder. Also, there's this concept. People talk about set and setting for psychedelics. So they talk about, like, your mindset going into it and you're setting, right?

So important. Also, your body set. So body set is this new idea of also relevant is how well you've slept. Did you exercise? Where's your inflammation or your body? what your diet like. And so body set. And so I went into this experience

with really good health markers. And so there's a possibility, like for example, if you didn't sleep well the night before, that could have a negative, it could have a negative tilt in your experience. So you've got to really go prepared

into a trip. And so then if you have pure psilocybin and you are well rested, maybe you exercise, you've got some, you know, your good diet, good nutrition. Maybe your experience would be very different.

I wonder if there's anything you can do with sleep, Like, let's say you get five hours of sleep, but is there something you can do to have the same effects where you got eight hours? No. There's nothing like that. You can cold plunge and get that.

You basically, when you cold plunge or Cro-D cryo, you snap yourself out of that. So there's nothing there. But it gives you like a two or three-hour pump to you back down, right? Coffee gives you some kind of boost and you take you back down. You just can't fix lack of sleep.

What do you think about the health benefits of ketamine? I did ketamine, actually, with my brain interface company, we measured my brain on ketamine. So we did this under a study. So what do you do? You hook up like stuff to your brain? Yes, it's in my office. It's like this, basically this helmet.

My helmet, you put in your bed, your head. My company, we built it. It took us over $75 million to build this. Wow. And that's all self-funded? Yeah, I put over $60 million in it. Yeah. For the helmet and the...

Yeah, to measure your brain. So we measured my brain 30 days before, during ketamine and after ketamine. What we showed was really cool. No one had ever done the study before is when you do ketamine, it opens up this therapeutic window where your brain is in these fixed patterns, in these fixed thought processes. I think of your brain like a globe with airports all over the place. The traffic between New York and London is a high traffic hub. But New York to some smaller place in Nebraska is a lesser travel hub. when you do ketamine, it scrambles the hubs.

So it releases like this default structure where things are at and loosens up your patterns. So that window is like two or three days and then the patterns start coming back and forming, which is why there's a therapeutic window. So what we're testing on psilocybin is it's potentially a stronger way to lodge your patterns. So you feel extremely youthful and childlike.

When I did this, I felt like a kid. When you did ketamine. No, I'm sorry, Silocybin. It had a stronger effect than ketamine of dislodgy in my patterns. Because at a 48-year-old, you start to get pretty stuck in the way you think and feel and acting your responses. But it just took me back to a childlike state. So we're looking at that kind of thing. But do you still even like enjoy the high or feel the high if you have the helmet or like it's all study-based?

Yeah. I mean, I was laughing uncontrollably for most of the session on Sunday. I just couldn't stop. So you had the helmet on while you did trumes? Yeah. And you said, like, were you like, did you have to just lie down? I did one when I started, one at peak and then one afterwards. But like what setting were you in with the helmet? You were in a room.

Okay. Yeah. We did a bunch of other tests. Like I did a saliva test. I was spinning in a tube. We did a thermal map. So we were looking at my thermal imaging. So we did a baseline when I started.

Then we looked at my thermal map when I was peak. And you see the blood flow changes dramatically. So the body pushes all the blood to the core. so you get really hot in your chest and throat. Your face changes thermal patterns, which shows emotions, like the nose, yes, you see like a signatures of joy, arousal. I'm pretty interested in the helmet

because it's like, this is a one of one, right? Yeah. So have people hit you up and want to get the same thing? Yeah, you want to see it? Yeah, I really do, actually. Can you grab the kernel? Just unplug it and bring it in without it plugged in. Yeah, it's badass.

You don't get scared of this thing being 60 million in the crib and people around knocking it over or something. We have, I mean, we have quite a few of them. But this one, yeah, it takes like, it's like 30. It's a couple 60s out there. 30,000 of manufacturers, 35,000 manufacturers. Do you think psilocybin's going to become more accepted in society? Because it's not legal, is it, right now?

No, it's still a Schedule 1 substance. Yeah, it's legal now in, yeah. Just looks like a bike helmet. Exactly. It's legal in... How much is this thing worth? This costs about 30, 30, 40,000 of manufacture. So the way this works.

That could be like a... You should wear that at a Rol. That's better than wearing a watch. Wear that to the club? Yeah, I know. You know one else is going to be competing with me. There's not going to be any of the helmets in there. You could do this and get a brain age score.

So you wear it for seven minutes. You watch a little video and it gives you a brain age. Which tells you what exactly? The age of your... Oh, brain age. Sorry. Of your functional brain age, yeah. You just wear it for seven minutes and watch a video?

we should all do this. I think we should, maybe we could talk after. We should do a whole milk video with Brian. I would love to see all of us and our buddy, Jimmy, in the helmet. This is the thing, yeah. So this is one example. So what I normally do, like we ask, like, you know,

when rich and powerful people come, this is what I do. So I help them understand, one, you can measure biological age. You can measure age of your skin and of your brain and of your heart and et cetera. And then once they get that intuition, then they connect that when you do blank thing,

it either increases your age or slows down your speed of aging. And once people make that connection, it's like, ah, can I hold it or not? Yeah, yeah. What's your brain age? Yeah. So it depends on when I do it and what therapies I'm doing, but somewhere between like 32 and 45. Is that where you want to be? I'm always trying to drive it down lower.

My only question on that is like, if that's just age, it has nothing to do with how much knowledge you have, right? That's right. Okay. So, yeah, basically, you can, because if you think about this intuitively, if you have an 80-year-old and a two-year-old, next to each other, you know who's 80, you know who's two. First by their size, but also by the skin quality, you know, by their mobility, flexibility. So if you now start narrowing to say 79-year-old, 3-year-old, 8, 78-year-old, 4-year-old, you can measure biological age.

So you can look at an 80-year-old heart and a baby's heart. They're different. Different cell structure, different function, different activity. So you can basically measure biological age of your entire body. I want to get a knowledge helmet. Yeah. That's what we need. Yeah.

What's that? No, to see what your brain is knowledge-wise. Yeah, exactly, to score you on that's cool. Yeah, not just your age. This can test you, for example, of your intelligence on language, on reaction speed, on language fluency. So you can get scored on a whole bunch of different metrics on, like, how well is your brain, and where you rank according to your age group. Reaction speed's a good one. Yeah.

I could see, like, athletes using that and stuff. Yeah. That could be good for studies. What else do you have in here? Any other cool? So many cool things. Yeah. Anything else that's quite like that that's just no one else has?

Everything that we have, you can buy generally out there in the market. This is the only thing because I built this because I'm really interested in the idea of humans merging with AI. That's like the thing is happening right now. And so I thought that's a good thing? I think it's like no choice. That shit's so fuck though, no? I mean, are you going to do that? Yeah.

I mean, are we not merge with our phones already? I know. I've seen Elon must say just like the download speed's not the same or whatever, the upload speed. But you also have a choice to, like you said, put your phone away at night. Yeah. Yeah. Like what? You would get a chip in your brain?

Certainly, yeah. But then you're just... That's a huge gamble. What if that chip takes over you? When it's safe. Yeah, like, so when the surgery is safe, yes, there's issues, there's questions of what the company does and all that kind of stuff. But yes, I mean, if it's safe, augmentation, of course. You got to know who's controlling that chip, all that, I feel like.

Certainly. When do you think that's going to be like... a thing. Brain stuff is really hard. So Elon and I actually talked about building a company together. When he went down to early, I did Colonel,

I went down non-invasive, he went down invasive. So he's doing, he's sticking things inside the brain. We evaluated that. We decided through non-invasive. So we wanted to be outside the brain so everybody could do it.

It'd be easy to acquire data, pair it with AI. So just different approaches, but we're both probing the brain to try to create a link between humans and AI for improved learning, improved diagnosis,

improved awareness. Like, for example, we're doing a study right now predicting depression treatments. So if you are depressed, you're considering an SSRI or TMS or what therapy do I do? You can wear a kernel and get a prediction score on which things you'll be responsive to. So that's under study right now.

We also are studying mild cognitive impairment. So when people start having neural degeneration, it's happening in the brain far before symptoms arise. and so this will show you have cognitive degeneration and even when you don't have symptoms so that's really good thing you're like okay now I know I need to do these following things I make mindful of that people the chip thing though when that shit rolls out well that's what I'm saying the chip thing is I'm no I'm

out like I'm going to an island I'm going to like Asians are going to like Asia somewhere like I'm not I'm not being a part of that what I will say crazy is people are obviously always fixated on you trying to live forever but you can do so much positive things. Yeah. Like if you could do something for depression where you wear something like that on your head for 10 minutes and it changes you, whatever. Exactly.

That'd be huge. Exactly. So why, do you ever think like maybe I should put more focus on that or you're strictly full? It's all I talk about. It's like we're riffing on this like futuristic stuff. All I talk about go to bed on time, eat well, exercise, avoid toxins, you know, do these therapies, don't do these therapies.

I talk about the most basic, immediate things because, for example, like, for example, Like the biggest thing somebody can do for their health is to kick their bad habit of eating a lot of food before they go to bed. But don't you think that's like the whole goal? Because there are people that just aren't gonna be able to do that. But if there's like an alternative and you can wear something like that

and it still gives you those good side effects, they don't need to change their habits. I mean, that's OZempic, right? The GOP-1s. Like if you have a, if you have a food addiction problem that's impossible to solve, a GLP one solves it. There's a lot of negatives with those Zempec.

Is there? I mean, I microdose it. Okay. Yeah. I mean, there are some side effects. Like, for example, the dose I'm on will raise my resting heart rate by two or three beats, which is a big deal for me. But the benefits are great.

So it's like the GOP ones are the first legit longevity drug. If you look at the overall effect on society, it has probably had a bigger consequence on society than any drug of his class. Positive. Those people that everyone hates on it, right? Why should? Like, why? Hates on what was epic?

Yeah. I personally have my own thought on it. I don't like people that are on OZEPIC that sell this like, I was disciplined, God and shape, story. And I think you have, you should,

if you're going to sell that, you have to say, hey, I was on OZempic. Oh, yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah.

So there's like two different things. It worked. You're just saying how they pitch it to their friends, right? Yeah. But it still worked. Yeah. We have a buddy and it's like, dude,

you gotta just admit that you're on that shit. Like, I don't see you in the gym. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. I don't know what the shame is. There's no shame.

I just think there are people that don't have, and I think this is a problem. People do have access to those EMPIC that don't think that they do. But they're out there doing stuff the old school way in the gym, discipline, all that. I mean, it's an amazing drug.

Like, what else out there? There's just like nothing that rivals its efficacy. Yes, there's side effects. You have to be mindful about that and it's not a free lunch, but man, it's amazing. So you suggest that everybody, microdose it a little bit?

It's not too far off. I mean, there probably are exceptions to, but I'm as healthy as a person can be, and I still benefit from GOP ones. Just because it suppresses your appetite? No, because my dose is way too low for that. So what does it do on a low dose? There's other metabolic effects that has good neural protective effects.

Like, it has a lot of, and then we're still discovering, but yeah, there's still a healthy effects for me. What, like, what are those effects? Blood glucose. Like, if you look at my blood, what glucose, I'm in the 99th percentile for 18 year olds. So when you compare my glucose management to an 18 year olds,

I'm better than 99 and 118 year olds, for example. You talk about the, like the live stream, you do it for content. Have you ever thought about like bringing in somebody who's on a, maybe that's say they got a five year lifespan left and just trying to change that, doing anything for someone like that? Yeah, man, we have tried that so many times.

The thing is like once you pull in somebody else, it gets so complicated. Why is that? Because will they be compliant? It's like the biggest loser, right? That show that became very popular. You just kind of like own their psychology. So when they start having challenges and difficulties,

can they be compliant, not compliant? Will they have this and that issue? It just gets, it's a rabbit hole of complexity. And you're just chasing these issues forever. So we've tried so many times to like make a biggest loser style approach of this. It's just so hard. Because the people don't want it? Well, it's just there's, it's legal complications.

It's like the person's preferences. it's like the risk of things going wrong. So I wish it was easier. We're actually talking to a company now of doing a TV show where we go into people's homes and just outfit their home for longevity. Basic things like get rid of plastic, don't microwave plastic, you know,

get a water filter in there, get air quality into control, have routines like when lights go off in the house, get red light in there versus, you know, LEDs. So like basic things like that, people could, that's much lower risk than. Yeah, I like that. That's great.

Yeah. How about plastic water bottles? So there was a study that came out that showed that water of glass water bottles have more microplastics than plastic water bottles. So this is the thing where when you look at the data. That's hilarious. Shuttle Ashton Hall, by the way. What's that? Ashen Hall preaches the Saratoga bottle, the glass one.

Yes, it has no plastics, whatever. Okay, yeah. So funny is that the microplastics don't come from the glass. They come from the lid. And it's the paint that goes in the lid and then it chips off. And so that's why it's very countermedics. intuitive, you think plastic water bottle made of plastic, a glass water bottle made a glass, the glass has more microplastics than the plastic water bottle. So this is why testing is

always the best thing to do on all things. It's very dangerous to have assumptions that... So how do you drink your water? I have a, in the house, I have a reverse osmosis water system. And then when you go, like, if you leave the house, what do you put it in? Yeah, we take certain can't like we packed water those if it's like a day trip if we go somewhere then we just deal with what we can find like if if a place we're going to has a reverse osmosis great if they don't we just do our best do you wear AirPods I try to do wired why is that actually a thing so what's the difference I like wired anyway I want to know that there's a difference between the wired and the evidence is not yet there so people there's a lot of people who focus on EMF the

AirPods and stuff like that I don't know how the can the evidence is not compelling enough yet for us to really look at this. But people focus on it because they can control it if they think they can and it makes sense. But yeah, I think the evidence is not that you have to have a strong opinion. So I try to be careful, but it's not there yet. Do you use chat GPT? I use all the models, yeah. Do you have a person that you talk to or do you do the typing?

Just curious. Both, yeah. But I use, I use Claude, Gemini, Gopt, GROC. So I use all the models. And just for like simple questions that you might not even have the answer to, that answer for you i use them a hundred times today i mean it's non-stop it's it's like all of human knowledge is at your fingertips so you can just ask endless questions so yeah i'm always engaged with the models what's a supplement you think everyone or most people should take the one you're

most deficient in we're mostly like the deficient getting a blood test exactly so so the answer is basically if someone's looking for the kill shot then the kill shot shot is knowing what they're deficient. Like, they may be low on vitamin D, they may be low on something. And so to find that out, it's best to get a blood test. And then you can really tailor it. Otherwise, like my company, Blueprint,

we just do all the basic stuff. Everybody gets on a daily basis. Everyone benefits from creatine. Everyone benefits from vitamin D supplementation. You know, there's nothing like glycine. So most people think that longevity is very personalized, which it is, Most of it's not.

Most of it is the same stuff. Everyone does well with sleep. Everyone does well with exercise. Everyone does well with vegetables. Like most everyone, very rare exception, they wouldn't. So most things we have in common.

Talking about like physically, like let's just say athleticism. Where do you think, like do you think you feel like your 18 year old self or you're at that level? Like if you were to play basketball, you could play at the same rate as you were 18? Yeah, me,

my cardiovascular ability is, is better than, I think, 92% of 18 year olds. Like my body's ability to use oxygen is better than 80% of 18 year olds. Now, are my joints age 18? No.

Right. Like, I've got cartilage breakdown. I've got some calcification. So could I move like an 18 year old? Probably not. So again, this is like the idea of you could be entirely 18 to have ears of a 64 year old. You can correct for some things,

but not all things. Just talking about this. I feel like LeBron's doing some of this stuff because he's 40 years old and he looks like he's 20 out there. Yeah. So I think there are more common things that people just don't, he might he probably doesn't preach it, but he's got to be doing some of the same stuff you're doing. We, I mean, I know what everyone's doing.

Like we're in a very small community. The key is if you stay on top of it, you just have to be ahead of it. You don't want to be chasing it. So you want to be at the beginning of your career doing the right stuff. Do the right stuff. Avoid the wrong stuff. But if you can stay on top of it, the body is amazingly resilient. Like the fact that I, I trashed myself for my entire life, literally, like as a kid, sugar cereal.

sodas, you know, never prioritized sleep, did the entrepreneur thing, grinding for a decade. I was depressed for a decade. Like, I trashed myself. And if I can do that and then stop at 42 and then bounce back this hard, I mean, my biomarkers are, you know, on par with an 18-year-old and minute levels? What's that? 42. 42. 48. 48? Yeah. Wow. I don't know what the rate is, but like for depression, going off of like your routine, if there's other things that cause depression. Yeah. For people that have internal things that you can't help, is there a solution or something they can do outside of your routine that can help them?

I said, I do try on mental health stuff. I try to focus people on the basics. And that's hard because when you're depressed, the last thing in the world you want to do is go to bed on time and exercise. You don't. You want to eat garbage stuff. You want to just be lazy. I've been there.

So it's really hard. Also, the most powerful medications is high quality sleep. exercise and a good nutrition. And then if those things can't deliver, then you can think of secondary things, but SSRIs have really poor evidence. They're only... Which or what?

So SSRIs, I think the evidence only makes sense. What are SSRIs? Oh, sorry, typical antidepressant meds. Okay. Yeah, I was going to ask you what you think about, like antidepressants, Adderall, overprescribes, it seems like... Yeah, yeah.

If you look at the evidence, right, I think they only statistically make sense with the effect in more severe cases. So most people are unnecessarized when they shouldn't be, when the evidence is not as good. TMS, there's a new protocol called the Saint protocol, which is really good. That has like an 80% recovery rate of treatment-resistant depression.

So that's cool. So yeah, TMS is great. I just remember when I was in like fucking middle school and there was a kid on Adderall. And I was just like, this just doesn't seem long term like it's going to be beneficial for you, bro. Exactly. Yeah. Pilling things up is a tough one.

Like, as a, like, Americans reach for pills. It's the first line of a defense, and it's just not a good move. We should be going daily habits as our first line of defense. Then if that doesn't solve it, it makes it easier when other people are doing it. When you're friends, again, it's all about our friends, friends and family. When your friends and family are doing something, you'll do it too. So it's about changing the culture. What's your opinion on, like, DMT and those type of psychedelics?

So 5MEO DMT just got. a breakthrough status approval by the FDA for treatment of depression. So they, by a tie. So that also is on a path for treating a disorder. So this is the thing is if in one lane it's going towards treatment of fixing problems, and then my lane is, do they actually work for anti-aging?

Right. And so if you, if we can show interesting data that psilocybin has potential anti-aging effects, that would change. the conversation. Whereas right now, it's trying to go through a legitimate process of FDA, stamp your approval. Then there's like the underground world of people doing mushrooms for party purposes or whatever the case may be. If it were a legit longevity therapy, it would just change the conversation around it. And do you think the findings are kind of starting to show that it's positive? Not yet.

There's early data in my studies and also human cell studies that are, is promising. But I think we'll need to have more conclusive evidence. But I mean, it's promising. What about... Do you think drug companies are scared of psilocybin and stuff like that? Like, why aren't those drugs legal, but the stuff that's not working and fucking everyone up, that's legal, right? I totally agree. It's crazy, right?

Like, we have basically, anybody can sell poison in society. You can make fast food as awful as you want it to be. You can sell cigarettes. You can sell all forms of awful. You can sell porn. You can sell endless scroll. Like, you can sell stuff that makes people. people miserable, sick.

But, you know, if you want to try to make, you know, heal yourself with something, you can't. Is porn bad for anti-aging? Yeah, you probably shouldn't do porn. What the, how does that affect anti-aging? It has negative effects on your brain. Yeah, you, you probably don't want to make porn. It's like porn is kind of like vaping.

It's not a therapy. It's like it's not, it can be addictive. Yeah, exactly. Like, you just like, if you're listing out like the 10 best things in my life, they don't qualify for 10 best things. Like, they kind of make. make you like not the version of person you want to be so people use that as therapy to the same way as like or it's quote-unquote therapy yeah anything that controls your behavior you don't want to

do how about sex great sex is good for what there's no overdoing what's the science behind that like how does sex is great yeah yeah we love sex what's that effect like what's the science behind me so one is is uh there's benefits for orgasm there's benefits for connection what's the benefits of an orgasm. So I think the evidence was something like... Dopamine? So the men had lower... This is interesting.

No, I know. Lower prostate cancer risk if they ejaculated something like 21 times per month, thereabouts. If I ever remember to study right, it's something like that. One way. Wow. Okay, yeah, you need a steady chick for that. Yeah. So when you get...

21 nuts? When you want to have a kid as you get older, how's that going to work? When you want to procreate if you're age 100, are you still like good to go? Yeah. So right now, my fertility markers are... better than 99% of 20-year-olds. And so if you look at... How do you control that?

So, for example, I've been doing a sauna, so a few things. One is getting all the basics right, like sleep, that exercise. I've been doing sauna. So a dry sauna, the sauna, the sauna right there over there. Sauna's the best.

Dry sauna, 200 degrees Fahrenheit. And then you put ice on the boys. So if you... In the sauna? Yes. Wait, wait, wait. So walk me through that. Yeah.

So you just get like a toxic-free, BPA-free, toxic-free ice pack. Okay. Put on cotton underwear. Okay. And cotton shorts. And stuff it in your... And stuff it in between your underwear and shorts and get, you know, one or two.

And so it's fine, you don't feel it. But keep them cool. What do you mean you don't feel it? It's not that ice. I mean, like, you're 200 degrees. So like, you know... Why it feels kind of nice. Isn't that kind of like cold plunge, too, or is the cold punch not cold enough?

So it could... How long do you leave it in there? The whole time. So I didn't experiment with... When I did sauna without ice. so they were heated up as much of my body it demolished it wrecked my fertility markers so erected by 50%

so when you're not in the summer so without icing when I did ice my fertility markers boosted they're now again like better than 99% of 20 year olds so yes in that case apparently a 48 year old can be as fertile as a 20 year old

if done well now how far can we extend that we don't know but hopefully new technologies would surface where we could get better. So sauna without ice on your balls actually increases your fertility rate? Yes. So no man, even if you're not trying to have kids, no man should do sauna without ice. On your balls.

Yes. If you're trying to have kids. No. Because there's never a situation where you want bad fertility markers. Even if you're not trying to have kids, because it has negative feedback loops. So wait, I'm sorry. Ice is for kids and no ice.

So you all. Always one ice. Always one ice. Yeah. Always. Because if your fertility markers take a hit, it has a negative feedback loop in your body. So it's a bad signal for the body.

You want to be robust always. Even if you're not trying to have kids, if you're done having kids, fine. You still want to have ice. Does that like increase your testosterone too? Has a whole bunch of hormonal feedback loops. Oh, God. So always, always ice.

You never bring a cooler to Equinox, bro. This is going to get, it's going to be a problem at public gyms. Yeah. So just talk to those guys. So I actually talking to the, the CEO of Econoxy the day, I should tell him this. They should have a way for people to do this.

Like, what system would that be? I mean, you kind of got just got to do it yourself, right? You can't put those back on a shelf or anything. For sure, I know. Yeah, I know, I'm with you. Yeah. You got to get your own. Everybody brings their own.

Maybe you just keep ice by the entrance. You stuff your stuff, and then you go. And how long are your son-in sessions? 20 minutes. 20 minutes. So you think cold plunging for like six minutes? Is that kind of also give that same effect? Or not really because it's at different times?

Yeah. So it's a good. question and we don't know. I don't know what my fertility markers improved dramatically. I don't know if it's because the sauna or because of the ice or both, but something made it. And then also the other thing I did on fertility is I lowered the amount of microplastics in my ejaculate by 87%. So microplastics are a major problem. We also have a lot of microplastics. Microplastics it's stored in the brain and all the organs and your blood. And so when I started doing this protocol, my microplastics and my semen lowered by 87%.

Wow. And like, it's about, like, you don't want to have microplastics in your semen. It's not good. No, you want to have strong cement. So this is like a first ever experiment. Nobody in the world had ever tested microplastics in blood and semen.

So people, there was a few studies where people tested microplastics in semen. Every single sample had micropastics. Wow. Like every single sample. So our success was first in world demonstration to lower microplastics in the semen. and blood at the same time.

That's interesting. Cold pack on your set. Yeah, how does stuff like that even cross your mind? Just like, you just try something out and you're like, hey, this guy has to be beneficial. This is why it's cost so much money. Is that the team we just follow all the evidence. So we go out there and we say, like, what is known about this topic?

What are the gaps? What can we test as a hypothesis? And we just measure, like, our key thing is we measure everything. So people, like, there happen to now, like, no one's, measured in microplastics in their ejaculate. Who's doing that? You know, like, there was a study, and I said it,

but, like, it's not a common thing. So we just do uncommon measurements, which allow us to have uncommon insights. How many, like, people do you have on your team researching this? Small as, like, five of us. Oh, really? You'd say you have the strongest team out there. We have a good team.

Like, we're definitely doing things. Like, in this psychedelic experiment, it's the most measured of psychedelic experiment in history. We just produced that. Today, we just showed a thermal map of my body and my face, first-ever demonstration. So, yeah, we're doing cool stuff. Do you have any other tests,

like upcoming like the magic mushroom one coming up? Yeah, we have endless. Anything crazy you want to talk about? They're all still in development right now. One thing we're doing is spicy foods. Oh, spicy foods. Better bad. No, good.

Yeah, I love spicy. I'm going to test it as longevity therapy. So we've got that one spun up. We'll do that one probably in January, February, when I'm done with a third dose of psilzybin. We have so many things we're doing all the time. So, like, just lined up. after it just...

What about a hair loss? Yeah, so the protocol for that is, with my company Blueprint, we've got some stuff. So you want to be on 7% monoxidil, their belts, like they're basic, that's like real gain. Like, that's a basic thing. Then you want to do red light cap therapy,

you know, six minutes a day. Then we, we create a product with a bunch of peptides and growth factors. And then if you want, you can do oral monoxidil. So I do 3.5 milligrams. I do not do finasteride the oral because it's very complicated but that's my hair stack.

Very interesting stuff. Yeah, this is very informative. I'd just like to learn. So this is crazy. Has anyone gone through like your routine on video with you? No, my co-fadder, Kate, she did this as a female. She did it for 90 days. She did the full-on thing, all the diet, exercise, everything.

I mean, she has a video about that. It was cool to see her biomarkers dramatically improved. Even as a 27-year-old. her biomarkers improved, which is cool to see. But no, no one else has done what I've done. I mean, again, it's not reasonable for anybody to do what I do. Right? She's like, it's too much.

We've had Gary Breck on. I'm sure you know who he is. And one thing he does is he can kind of predict how long people will live. How advanced are you there based off of like someone's blood work? Can you kind of predict how long they have to live? You can do some rough calculations. There's like some good open source models to predict that. Like you could definitely, yeah, take out of cloud,

mortality calculations. The more data points you have, the better your, you're modeling. But also, you can change it a lot, right, by behavioral changes. You can move your biomarkers quite a bit. So I'd just say, like, no matter your situation, there's hope. There's, like, reason to, even if it's just feeling good the next day, there's reason to, like, once people realize that health is good, it's such a weird thing to say. Well, I wanted to say, I, like, was going through clips and I see a lot, like, there's people say a lot of negative things about you. Yeah. Ask you that you got to be a vampire, shit like that. Everything you've said you've backed up with evidence.

Yeah. So not enough people, like, talk about everything you claim, you back up. The private circles that I care about, which is like the, you know, the most powerful people in the world, I do get points for credibility. Like, they come to me as, you know, one of the most credible people in the world around this. On, in social media, you're just going to have that noise. Because you're documenting everything. Yeah. And the effects of everything.

But it's like it makes people, it's good business to say bad shit about me, right? It gets clicks. So there's incentive for people to have. And honestly, it's fine. I'm totally cool that it's just part of the process. Brian Johnson is a normal dude in 2035. Why do you always go back to that year? I just use it as like a play handler.

He's weird in 2025 because the world is good. You're out of the curve, right? Exactly. So in time, people would be like, oh, we appreciate this guy because he was actually onto something. He was correct. They were saying all the stupid stuff. So I'm just writing out.

This happens in history constantly. People see something clearly. They do it. Inevitably happens. Everything changes. They're like, oh, thanks person. You get to see it on social media too. Exactly.

So it's just very predictable human behavior. You talked about toxins in your clothing and stuff like that. Do you ever think about dropping a clothing line or opening your own restaurants where people can go and feel better? Yeah. So we do have fresh food. My company blueprint. We deliver that. We look into a clothing line.

but it's like the worst business ever. Is it really that big of a risk like in what I'm wearing right now? You don't want to be wearing in synthetics. It's just not good. Really? So where do you shop then? Just cottons. Yeah, just like try to try to do mostly cottons.

Cottons, hemp, bamboo. Is that right? Bamboo, like to try to avoid synthetics. Is there something different you use to wash your clothes? Yeah, we try to do this with everything. So we like toothpaste, detergent. And so there's endless things to try to figure out. So we try to be very mindful.

Everything in this entire house, we try to be extremely mindful. Yeah, I was going to ask, what's like the, would you say is just out of the norm habit that you've picked up on where we would be like, yo, what are you doing? But it's a health benefit for you. I'm so normalized to this. I can't even see it anymore. Yeah. Like, I can't even see my own weirdness.

Okay, so you did have bamboo toilet paper. Yeah, exactly. There's a good example. Yeah, I tried it. It was nice. but if you go in... You took a shit in there? No, I did a test wipe.

I've never seen that before, so I did do that. I'm just letting you know. I wouldn't shit in your house, to be honest. But like, if you go out in public and you have to go, do you stay away from it? No, it's fine. You're just having a bit of mine. Toxin exposure.

Like, you know, for example, deodorant, you want to avoid aluminum's, you know, so there's, like, this is a basic list that you want to avoid toxins on your body. So conventional deodorant's bad, like old spice or like... If it has aluminum, yeah, you want to avoid the, that you want to have a non-aluminum. And everything accessible is just fucked up.

Everything we use, I feel like. When you realize this? That's why an American success. Like, we've traveled to Russia. Like, we went to Dagestan. And even, like, it's pretty much impossible to eat bad there. Yeah. Because everything's freshly grown.

Yes. You know, but here, it's so much harder. Exactly. Because, like, there's fast food everywhere. Everything that's being sold in stores is bad. You know that. It makes it so much harder. So going off, what he's saying?

Is there a certain place in the world where, It would make sense for them to live the longest based off their lifestyle. Yeah, a friend of mine is building up, he's written this book on the best places to not die. So he's mapped out geographies on a whole bunch of different vectors. Which is where? He has a whole book about it, different regions around the world. Probably Asia, right? The oldest ladies in Japan right now, right?

I'm not sure. But he looks at. We were just there, and I think the oldest lady. She's about 120 or something? Is he the author? No, we tried to. That's cool. I wanted to, but it's tough to get home.

She's probably not mobile, was she? I don't know. A lot of those Chinese monks and stuff, right? I'm not sure. I haven't seen the list of the oldest people and what regions they are. I feel like that's going to be weird at one point. If you're out, like, you're out at the club and you're talking to a girl or talking to a guy and they're mentally 150 but physically 25. Yeah.

That's going to make things a little interesting. I think the future is going to be a lot weird. That's going to be weird. Like who's that old coach that's dating like that 20-year-old girl? Bill Belichick. She's not 20. to be like a 150 year old dating like a 25 year old probably for sure yeah exactly they're all going to be like CEOs and stuff they're already doing it just a little bit oh my god dude i think the

future is going to be really weird it's going to be so weird that's what i think for you guys about your your disposition towards brain chips i bet you're going to have a different opinion like i think now no well that my fear is like i know you're going to need it to compete in society but like i think people are going to rush to do it the government then can can just control everyone too. But maybe we have controls against it. So I don't think... Not a way. People talk about brain chips because it's a nice way to fill the conversation.

They want to basically take a futuristic concept and drop it and say, like, that's what I'm talking about. But I think the real future things will be different than that. Like, OZempic is an insane technology. Like a brain chip, someone's going to control it. So it's like, you're pretty much... OZepic is like a brain chip. It eliminates your desire to overeat.

Like, there's benefits of the brain chips. You control when you put the O-ZEPIC in your body. You control your hunger with an injection. That's crazy. And hunger is like a natural part of your biological existence. And you can just turn it off. It is the craziest technology that's accessible to everyone. That's what I'm saying.

It is like a brain chip level change. Yeah, but that you're still in control of it. Once you have a chip in your brain, that means you're not in control anymore. We'll have more things like that. So the brain chip is a placeholder for saying like future cool stuff, but other things are coming like gene therapies and other things like Ozempic which would be equally as badass

they'll just be manifest in other like injections, pills, therapies. Yeah, I just think that people are going to rush to do the brain chips and they're not going to be like fully ready and something bad could happen. Oh, that's inevitable. Yeah, but it's going to be interesting

what happens to that first person where it turns on them. Yeah. Got to live stream that. I can't believe you did a lot. Have you live streamed before that? No, well, so I live for my first dose, but I didn't live stream me tripping. I live streamed up until the dose, and then I just did photos. And so, yeah, so I have my next dose is in another month, so I need to figure out what I'm going to do for that one.

You're not the dose, though. Probably the same. I did 25 milligrams of psilocybin the first one, 28 milligrams second, so maybe 30. But yeah, 20, it was really strong. I had to lay down. I couldn't do that. No way. So where can people find all the stuff, blueprint?

Yeah, I mean, I'm on all socials. So I try to publish everything X, IG, YouTube. Each channel is a little bit different. But I try to freely share everything I learned to everybody. So I try to make it very accessible, understandable, actionable, actionable. Awesome. I mean, this is very interesting. I really enjoyed this.

We've got to do something after this for sure. Yeah. Not like today, but soon. Yeah, what are you leaving here today thinking? I mean, I don't know how anyone can hate on it. You're kind of using yourself as like a test. dummy essentially, but you're also documenting everything you do. And it seems like everything's based on, like, facts and, you know, the results of the experiments. Yeah. I think there's a lot of

people that don't want to live forever. So it is interesting that you're really taking it upon yourself. But the other thing I really think is important is, like, the lack of sleep for people, even I have it and just kids growing up is so important. And if there's a way to like, it's tough for people that work and have kids, right? Like, they're working and they're come home. and then they got to take care of the kids, put the kids to bed, wake up, take them to school. So it is tough, yeah. You think the perfect time to sleep is 8 o'clock? No, everyone has a different coronal type.

Yeah. So some people do very well at 11 p.m. midnight. And so you just need to find out what your thing is and stick to that. It's all about what you're, yeah. Yeah, exactly. But you have genetic dispositions towards a certain time. Yeah. So it's just got to be the same time every night.

I'm an early bird. Yeah. I love the way to bed early. I wake up early. Some people will really thrive. I like that too. The thing I want to be clear on is my stick is not immortality. at all. My thing is don't die. So the whole thing on this is I'm saying the essence of this moment,

like what's happening on planet Earth right now in this part of the galaxy is we are giving birth to super intelligence, a form of intelligence that will be likely superior to us in all things. It's an absolutely insane moment. And when this is happening, the only thing that matters is that we don't die. Why? Like that is the most, that's the strongest biological instinct in our existence. Nobody wants to die right now. It's not about immortality. It's not about five years from now.

It's not about 20 years from now. It is right now, nobody wants to die. So the thing is, what I'm trying to say is, as humans, we're kind of crazy. We commit slow death suicide by doing all these bad things to ourself. We are doing bad things for our planet. We do bad things to each other. We're in this phase where we are violent,

we are destructive species. And I think we're going to mature past it. We're going to get past it. we're like, that's why would we ever want to die? Why would you do things make us die? So my ideas are crazy, according to 2025. Again, in 2035, I think those would be a very norm. Like, of course, the objective of our intelligent existence is don't die.

And once you secure your existence, then you can go out and play your amazing games, but we're in this critical stage. It's not clear that humans have a future. Yeah. We don't know. Like, do we have a future of AI? No one knows. Like, so I'm not a, I don't believe in.

I'm not a doomer, but I also am not a, I don't believe in utopia, but it's like, it's just very practical. Like, this is big, it's important. So let's not be stupid and do stupid shit. I also just think it's interesting with, like, religion, too, because a lot of people with their faiths want to go to heaven. And now it's like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, which is cool.

Like, so don't die is very friendly to religions. Like, you can be Christian and don't die. Muslim don't die. You can be a democratic, don't die and capitalists and don't die. So, like, you can still believe in heaven? Great. But nobody who believes in heaven wants to die to get the. there. They don't want to die. You don't want to die. None of us want to die. So it's the one thing

we all have in common. Nobody, no matter what you believe, wants to die right now. It's the one thing that unifies the human race. Are you religious? I'm friendly towards religions. Do I think there's an afterlife? I don't know how anyone knows that answer. Like, how is it even knowable? You may have a belief. You can't say it's a fact, but it's a belief. You think you'll ever know? I don't mean, I don't know how you know it. How do you test it? I'm going to ask you something, like how much pressure do you have or do you even feel pressure because like you're basically gambling on yourself like let's just say it doesn't work out the way you think it is and unfortunately you pass away at 100 yeah like what would be the answer for that if you have all the answers right now

it's the same as now i mean my i'm imagining when i get to 100 even if i'm decrepit and i hurt everywhere and everything's awful i probably still don't want to die right like i still want one more breath. I still want to say one more I love you. I still want to see my loved ones one more time. Like, if people hang on to life, right? And like, no matter how bad the situation is, we all want one more breath. And so

there's nothing more beautiful than the human instinct. We want to exist. We want to survive. Awesome. Well, I think this is great. This is awesome. Thank you very much. Appreciate you. This is very, very interesting. Thank you. Brian Johnson. Yeah, that's awesome. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. It's back. Hey, it's Dan Bonjino. I've got some big news for you starting February

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