FULL SEND PODCAST - Caitlyn Jenner x Nelk Boys | Ep. 38

Episode Date: April 6, 2022

Caitlyn Jenner Spills the Tea on Kim & Kanye, Kylie & Travis Scott & So Much More! Presented by Happy Dad Hard Seltzer. Find Happy Dad near you http://happydad.com/find (21+ only). Video is available on http://youtube.com/fullsendpodcast/videos. Follow Nelk Boys on Instagram http://instagram.com/nelkboys. Part of the Shots Podcast Network (shots.com). You can listen to the audio version of this podcast on Spotify, Apple Podcasts & anywhere you listen to podcasts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This is awesome. What a beautiful home, too. Well, thank you. Nice little background. So is this considered Malibu? This is like past Malibu. It's a little bit. It's a little foggy today. If it was a little clearer, it'd be a little bit better. Wow, what a view. You see that, Bob? Yeah. This is what you call the fuck you. The fuck you view. That's Bertha. We got another black one around here somewhere. How long have you been living out here?

Seven years? Wow. Yeah. Well, well. Can we fix her, Mike? I was, yeah, I got it. When I was looking for a place, I wanted something that was very private, but I also loved a view. And it just so happens, I showed up here. And I said, ooh, let's take a run on it. So I wound up getting it.

But, yeah, it was tough at first because this was right in the middle of some changes in my life that nobody knew about. And I had terrible problems with paparazzi's and mountains. really oh every place i went there were everywhere so i built a wall around the outside up here just a fence so at least i could go out to the pool so wait paparazzi would like come up here and what's that paparazzi would be up in these mountains and it's illegal take photos to you in the backyard yeah that's so fucked up and it's so illegal so what's the play there if you see a paparazzi in the mountains do you call the police or something uh i would sometimes call the police the biggest place they had was up here on there and they would just spy on you and wait to see what you're

doing and so I put walls up and then the copper of vanity fair came out and the walls came down there it is yeah screw all these people yeah it is and slowly the paparazzi's went away yeah we saw you you got a deal with Fox News so you're like an official Fox News analyst now yes that's amazing is that good thing yeah that's a very good thing that's awesome yeah I didn't know if we're on the conservative side, the liberal side and everything? We play both sides. I'd say we started. Yeah, we started.

Oh, my God. We just go right into it. Yeah. Now, this is... We just go for it. Wait a second. You just go for it? Yeah.

Now, this is a podcast. I don't do a lot of podcasts, you know? That's why it's really on here. My life is kind of 30-second sound bites, you know? It's all put together, you know? And how much time do we have? Much as you want to give us. Oh, my God.

It's just a fun, good environment. We love to talk, shoot the shit, keep an open-friendly room. Bob's off no sleep last night And by the way I went out He didn't sleep a minute last night I didn't sleep one minute last night Caitlin

Why? They have an NFT project that they did So they had these META card holders So I took them out for a night And uh No way And we took them out all night

As one of the utilities behind it Is I when I go to city to city I got a back room If you want to take a nap I mean We could probably handle this This is this is too good to leave the room This is too good to leave the room

I want to leave the room I want to be right here Caitlin doesn't want you on the pod either She's throwing me off already you're like the YouTube comments now I get I get ream actually honestly I think the problem I'm going to have as I'll get in trouble because I have too much time and like you say go as long as you want well let's do I tell I'm a storyteller I tell too many stories good and everybody says the exact same thing shut up not not now we want all the stories that's why you want all the

stories really yeah he'll cut you off if he's bored too so really if it's boring yeah yeah well good well good word well yeah congrats on the fox thing I saw that actually I'm very excited about that. It's a great platform. I have always been on the conservative side. I'm, you know, older. I've come from a patriotic family. Love this country. Love our flag. 1976 was our country's bicentennial year. And three weeks earlier was the biggest 4th of July birthday celebration this country's ever had. Patriotism was at his height. I was the first person ever put up their country's flag at the finish line.

Wow. Love that. Yeah. And why? Because I was one really proud of my country. And some guy jumped out of the stands and put it in my hand. And I go, oh, what am I supposed to do with this? You know?

So I put it up. But that's kind of the picture that came from that. And so I've always been on that. side. My father, World War II veteran landed on Omaha Beach, Fifth Ranger Battalion all the way through the war, 364 guys in his division that landed on the beaches, and 60 of them came back alive. Wow. Pretty heavy shit. Amazing. Yeah. And he's buried at Arlington. And so I've always been very patriotic and love this country. And with Fox News, it just gives me opportunity. It gives me another platform. I am not happy with what's happening in our country right now.

That's what I was just going to ask you. What do you feel about the state of where the country's at right now? About the what? I said, where do you think, what's your opinion on where the state of the country is right now in a whole? Oh, it's absolutely horrible. What's happening to our country? We're not honestly, might be honest, we're not even a country any longer. We don't even have borders. We don't even have a border. You know, we're spending billions of dollars to help the Ukrainians and to protect their border. And we don't even protect ours. You know, it's just if you're not a country, if one, you don't have laws.

Right. We don't have laws in this country. It's just whatever the politicians want. Yeah. You know, we see crime ramped through it. I mean, just literally right over that hill right there. So you think it's because there was murder the other night. You think it's because the administration that's in office right now?

Oh, of course. Yeah, of course it is. It's 100% then. Why are we having inflation? You know, it's because of bad policies. I feel like this administration is trying to tear this country down through inflation, through high taxation, and then they will rebuild it with the government, and then everybody will be part of the government. But they first have to destroy it first. And they're on their way. But I don't think they have enough time. I think in a year from now, it'll be a different deal because I think the people of America are going to stand up here in a few months in November and change everything and get the Republicans in on the House and the Senate. That's what I'm hoping. And if you do that, you can stop them.

They just won't be able to do anything for the next two years. How much backlash do you get for saying this type of stuff? Because, like, I saw even the post on Fox News when you posted that you, like, went on Fox News and it's just so much backlash from like the trans community like I know you're like see do you like like they box you in and I feel like right isn't that crazy yeah um like can trans people not have different political views uh no they're well they're all supposed to have one political view and that's a liberal point of view okay that's kind of what they are that's not me never have been um why do you think that is uh I think the woke world is kind of taken over

but the woke world is a very small portion of our society I think what really changed everything over the last 20 years, 30 years is social media, the internet it's given everybody a platform a small group of people in the middle of nowhere can sit there under their covers say some crazy things and all of a sudden the media is watching all of that

And now all of a sudden that, you know, is the truth. That's what's out there. To me, to be honest with you, within the trans community, I have a lot of friends, trans. I mean, we get along great. A lot of, there's a lot of very conservative trans people that are out there. But they just don't speak up. Yeah. They just don't speak up.

And it's the left that the media follows. And so you see that where people taking shots at you. all the time. To be honest with you, I don't care. I very rarely ever read him, and if I do read them, to me it's just kind of funny. I am and have been always a common sense person. I have common sense. Okay. Yeah, did it ever get to you, though? Any of these comments, did it ever get to you? No, not really. I don't care. My life is good. That's pretty impressive. Do you think the right sometimes, what are they not like about the right? Do you think like the right doesn't support trans people enough? Is that their point?

they have the perception of that, yes, and certainly in some cases the religious right you have issues with there. But what I'm about, it's not about being on the left and the right and the woke world and not the world. I just want to do what's right for people. I want, you know, I worked really hard the first couple of years. I thought, you know what, I can come out and change the world. I raised money, millions of dollars for the transcommunications, and did everything I could possibly do, helped organizations, gave a lot of millions of dollars. And at the end of it, Dale just like hated my guts. And I went, why am I doing that? Why am I getting all of this stuff? I really had black trans women come up to me and verbally

assault me. And of course, it's all being shot on camera. So 10 minutes later, it's all over the internet. And then the media picks it up because they want clicks. you know and if they take something at me they you know they should take a shot at me there a lot of people are going to listen they got the local news to come out they were going to protest because I was at an event and that I don't represent the trans community to be honest with you they just came to a point where I thought to myself why am I doing this just today it was a quote I had from last night when I was on Hannity I said yes, I am trans, but I'm not a trans activist anymore.

I don't want to do that. To be honest with you, I think it's a losing proposition. It's, you can't win there. There's too many people that are going to show hate out there. I said, what I want to be is a trans example. Okay? You know what? Being transgendered and is so, it's so difficult.

I hid myself my entire life, who I really was. I mean, right down to the morning after the games in 1976. I walked into the bathroom. The gold medal was sitting there on the counter, and I put the medal on, the full-length mirror, looked in the mirror, and just says, what the hell did I just do? Did I build this character up so big that I'm stuck with him for the rest of my life?

You know? Not that I have any regrets for anything I've done in my life, but that was like my first reaction that now this character is so big and there's so much more to me than that performance. So proud of the performance, you know, so proud that I walked away probably the most satisfied athlete in the world at that time because I accomplished everything I was. wanted to accomplish. And he's saying is that is that the moment when, because what I'm curious about is when the moment you decided to make the change. Well, that was many years later. Yeah. So you're saying while during when you're the biggest, most popular athlete in the world,

right? Right. You're still, you're on top of the world at that point, but you're still having these feelings. Oh my God. Yes. I've had him since I was, since I was in, you know, a little kid. But no part of you was like, wow, I just fucking won the decathlon. I'm the biggest person in the world. But it's not me. It's not all me. Yeah. That is a part of me. Right. Okay. No, when you're trans, I've had those since I was just a child, you know, confusion with that. But back in, I grew up in the 50s and 60s, and no, but there wasn't even a name for it. You just think, oh, why, you know? So what do you do? You just hide it. But here's the deal. Many years later, you look back on that performance and you see, and I look at it now and I go,

my God, why did I do that, you know, or how did I do that? And so you look, and there's more to just going down there competing. There's why I spent 12 years of my life, the last six years leading up to the games, totally obsessed every day with this thing called sports. You know, I lived it, I breathed it, I lived in a $145 a month apartment. I had a 1963 VW bug that I drove. That cost me $175. I lived on nothing, $10,000 a year probably. And I trained six to eight hours a day every day, working at it, training at it, so dedicated to what I was doing.

And I looked back on it, I said, why did I do that? And I started looking back and starting to think of why people do things like that, extraordinary things. there's got to be something in their life. It's not just one thing. It's got to be something in your life that kind of drove you to that. I was a dyslexic kid. I didn't do very well in school.

Me perceptually just picking up words off a piece of paper, you know, just was tough. And when you're young, you're in, you know, second, third, fourth, fifth grade. I mean, that's tough. My biggest fear in life was to go to school because I was afraid the teacher was going to make me read in front of the class.

And then not only did I get just so scared that everybody was going to know that I had the problem, I just got emotionally upset, I would sit there worried to death that that was going to happen because nobody knew I had the problem. It's not like I had a big wharf on the side of my face. And, you know, so when I found sports in fifth grade, literally in gym class one day, and Washington Irving Junior High School and Terrytown, New York, in the back parking lot the coach had

during gym class had set up chairs around the parking lot and you had to go down there and run around the chairs and come back and get time they were going to time every kid in school and so, you know,

my turn, this is like fun, but you know, I'm always in the slower classes and this and that. So anyway, I put my foot on the line and I'm going to run as hard as I can

and I take off, run around. Wanda Pound up had the fastest time in the whole school. And it was like, that was the first, time in school that I ever accomplished anything.

And it was running around a bunch of chairs. But it was so important. It meant so much to me. You know, it met so much to me that I could do something better than anybody, everybody else in school. So I thought, what is this thing called sports? I liked this.

You were a tremendous, tremendous athlete. Yeah, and go on a football field. Yeah, go on a football field and take a guy who's a good student, good reader. and bam, clean his clock. Yeah, this is good stuff. I like this, you know. And so that's how I kind of got into sports.

Never, ever to a million years thinking I would go as far as I did. But there was also this little gender dysphoric kid in the back of my head also who has to prove your masculinity. You prove like, hey, this is, I got to do this. So that combination along with some talent, I was honestly, I was not, you know, I won the title as the greatest athlete in the world. putt. I never thought of myself

as the most talented athlete out there. Right. It's got to be hard. I was the hardest working one out there. I out-trained him. I took my... The one thing after the games was over with that I took away that it was my greatest victory

was I went into the games. If I had a perfect score in all 10 events, I scored 8,000, ran like the perfect decathlon, I ran 8,678.678. I went to the games. I scored 8,634 points. Under Olympic conditions, you know, really tough conditions that you're under, I was as close to perfect as I could be. And why? Because that's my head. You know, that I did all the preparation physically. But I found out later on in life, thinking I was always in the lower classes of dyslexic and everybody else is smarter than me that my greatest asset was my head um and honestly if i had not been dyslexic if i had not been gender dysphoric if i didn't have

all these issues at a young kid i look back and i said what if i was just average you know i was an average student kind of in the middle of the class and this and that i don't honestly i don't think i would have needed sports and it wouldn't have been that important to me and i probably never would have really gotten involved, certainly to the level that I was. But because of the one thing that I thought was the hardest part of my life wound up being my greatest asset, you know? It pushed me harder than anybody. You loved what you did? You loved playing sports. Oh, I love it. I still today. That's what I do. You know, I play golf. I do this? You know, I love all that stuff. We're going to golf after, right? I think. Now, do you think you guys?

we have not we have not figured out what i don't want we haven't figured our candy cap yet i don't know well how's your game but i i just don't want you know i know you guys you do this i mean everybody knows you this and that probably have pretty big egos to get out driven by a 72 year old trans woman is not it's bad it's it's not good for your ego and i've been like low hooking my drives too so i want to see a little bit how's your game though like what is what do you shoot um well i practice a lot. I like going up to the club. Like range or trip and putting? I play four or five times a week. Wow.

That is dope. But I practice a lot. I enjoy the game. And, but you know, I don't know because honestly, I don't play 18 holes, maybe twice a year. It's overrated. 18 holes is overrated. Yeah, it's overrated. It's too long. You're like a quick

nine, then just crank a few beers at like the bar after? Yeah. Well, I go out. My club is very private club so I can go out, especially during the week and, you know, go out there by myself, play three balls a hole, try to average par out of three balls, play

five, seven, nine holes. And I come home. The best way to do it would just be this. The best way to do would be like a two-man scramble. Wait, do you play? Yeah, I don't... What do you play with usually? But high stakes, though, Caitlin, do you gamble on the course? High stakes. No, I do not gamble at all. Not even pro- golf? Not even prop wagers, though?

No, I don't. I've never been a gambler. Don't like it. Don't need to. Really? Like, not money-wise, but more like... If it was a fun, if it was a fun... Well, a fun little bet. Yeah, not money is fun, yeah. But it doesn't add any pressure to me.

I put enough pressure on myself. You know, I don't need a bat or something like that. What tease do you play? Well, it depends. If there's money on the game, I guess I can go all the way up to the ladies' teas. You're backpedaling. Wait, wait, wait, wait. You guys would have to play from the past some money games going on.

Helmut, if we're trying to set the bet right now. I mean, whatever. You don't use the red excuse. Do you play the Reds? Well, it depends on who I'm playing against. You know, if it's for money or a friendly little bit, I can technically go all the way up to the ladies' teas. Of course, I can play from the ladies.

But wait, if she plays from the Reds, I'll do any action. You guys want, I'm serious. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, go ahead, Kyle. Please do negotiate this for us. I see your view with like women in sports and stuff like that with the whole Leah Thomas stuff. And you're a big, you stand up for women's rights in sports. I've seen that a lot. Which I honestly really respect.

Like, why I'm so excited to like have you on the show too is because, yeah, I think you've been boxed in in this community. Oh, yeah. And I really respect how you just speak your mind and you don't have to follow everyone else's view in the community. So I think your view on women's sports is like, like you said, you just have common sense. It is. It's pretty logical that women shouldn't be or men shouldn't be able to. to play in women's sports. Biological men, in my opinion. And I said I made sure when I made the first statement that I said, biological men should not play in girls' sports. I mean, bottom line,

that's it. So why do you get to play the Reds then? We have to protect women's sports. In golf, first of all, in golf, I've been asked by the ladies, you know, oh, come on, play. We have a tournament coming up, you know, and this and that. Because, to be honest with you, the few times I do play, I do play with the ladies once in a while up at the club. And to be honest with you, they're more fun than playing with the guys. The conversation is a hundred times better. You know, the girls are more fun to play with. Okay. Yeah, by far. And so I enjoy playing with them. And they go, oh, we have a tournament coming up and why don't you play in it with us and this and that? And at the time, I say, yeah, oh, yeah, oh, that would be so much fun. And then I never

show up. Hey, but wait. Wait, but wait, I just stayed the girls? I would not, I would not, I would not feel. She was a hosser on the golf course. What is a hustler in golf course. I got to tell her my Yeah, honestly, I would not feel, I mean, you know, I'm excited to, I can out drive them by 50, 80, 100 yards, you know? I can hit 310. What's that? I hit a 310. Can you hit a pass? Well, that's good.

And yours, it's good. So we're good. What if you play with the ladies, but you play from like the ticks? No, I'm at 280. 280's good. Yeah. Too 80's good. Yeah, it's not too bad for 72.

Does it stay straight? Uh, probably straighter than yours. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. You look really good for 72. But all I can say is keep it.

keep it out there 310 because if I out drive you on one hole you're dead you'll never hear the end of it yeah yeah so when you spray it off into the woods you're a fucking probably way better of an athlete than I am I'll say you're an Olympian well yeah gold medalist decathlon like I did that yeah yeah yeah yeah I did do all of that but the Leah Thomas thing but the Leah Thomas thing okay let's let's what is even the argument because to me it's like why would a biological male be able to play in a in a women's sport I have no what is the argument I have said from the beginning. I have no problem with Leah Thomas. I wonder what her motivation is. I would love to talk to her. I'm kind of trying to reach out to her right now once kind of everything calms down. But I wonder what her

motivation is. But that's fine, whatever it is, because she's playing by the rules right now. What my problem is is the rules are wrong. I mean, you can't have somebody like Leah Thomas who went true male puberty, played on the boy, you know, swam for the men. I heard she's 6-1, but you just look at her in the pool. There was a great picture. I think Donald Trump Jr. posted it of the start of that race. And you had all the girls just entering their hands or just entering into the water. And Leah Thomas is a foot and a half above them and hasn't even come close.

to hit in the water yet, you know? You just look at something like that and you realize how this is not fair. But honestly, it's the rules. And I'm working on some things right now. Because, to be honest with you, it's a very complicated issue. I mean, it's such a complicated issue. I'm thinking low-key, like, I would just, like,

I'm not trying to be whatever, but like, I could just go and probably make the WMBA. No, you could not. No, you can't. Bob, no, you could do what now, the WNBA? I'm just saying, be honest to you. You probably couldn't make the WNBA. If I go and I go through...

No, you could not. Aaron, I'm a very good kid. I'm a very good basketball player. Actually, there's WNBA girls would kick her ass anyway, so I wouldn't embarrass yourself. I hope that this happens now. I heard you can't.

Please, we need to find an NWA player. You know what? I'm doing it. You will get destroyed. Yeah, you'll get to see a male basketball player. The best in the world? Bro, that's not a good example. That's a bad example, though.

Just like golf. You're going to get canceled Wait, hold on I just get canceled Bob Leo went from being on the men's swimming team To go into the women's Three years later Yeah you're a guy that fucking goes out

Sleeps no minutes Just picks up a basketball You can't just go playing the WMBA and Dominate Oh Do you see what I'm saying? I appreciate it cool Plus the scouting report on him Is you can't go to his left anyway

So I have a strong left hand We'll move on time Oh really? You might be fucked through that No you should do it We gotta get a one-on-one game Like Caitlin I'm a competitive dog Do you want to, do you say you play basketball?

Maybe you guys play one-on-one. I'll play, Caitlin, I'll tell you what. You play in college? No, he played at no level. He fucking goes to the bar every night. Really? Yeah. No, see, I got, I got drafted in the NBA.

You fucking idiot. Just turned into a fucking intervention? No, she was going to go with the NBA. What did you do with the NBA? What did you do with the NBA? After the games. That's fucking amazing, by the way. That's super dope.

Yeah, after the games. This is 1977-7 draft, that draft. fifth round I was drafted by at that time it was the Kansas City Kings remember there were Kansas City Omaha Kings back then before the Kings went to Sacramento

they were in Kansas City so I look at the draft thing in the article that I got drafted in the seventh round and you know I played just one year of college basketball but I played basketball, played football

did all these sports competitively water ski did you name it i i played sports damn and um and so i thought that's kind of cool so i i thought what can i do and so i i got a hope up there we go where we go nice kansas city so young stud there wait a second so we got that actually that was very good it's a good looking dude right i i keep looking for where that kansas city shirt is because this is what I told him I wanted to do. I said, I want to go to the first home game. I want to have a Kansas City King's shirt with the number 8-6.

Well, that time it was 18. They wound up changing it a year later to 34. But the games are right over with that was the score. And this is only a few months after it. I don't know if you remember back then was just the post-Lou Alcinder years. In college, they banned the dunk. You weren't able to dunk the ball. Okay, you couldn't bring it into the cylinder.

The cylinder that would be above the rim, you couldn't carry the ball into the cylinder. Could you dunk? So could you dunk? Oh, my God, I got dunk behind my head. Caleb Dunner, the Kayla General would dunk on your ass at any time you want to. I was a six-nine-hack job. Could you still dunk? What?

You think you could still dunk or no? No, my knee is gone. That's crazy. But anyway, so. You should run. So I thought, since I was not even able to dunk the ball and warming up in college, I said, go to the first game, make up that shirt, okay, go to the first game, ram a bunch through, you know, take it off the back, you know, get dunk behind my head, get all of that stuff. And I said then, maybe I can't beat you one of a lot.

Yeah, and then before the game starts, we'll retire my jersey, that jersey you saw that, Kansas City, 8618, retire the jersey, and then I'm going to put it up for charity. whatever it raises in charity money, I'm going to buy tickets for the Kansas City Kids for the Special Olympics because they were just starting. I thought, what a great promotion. Not a great promotion. Absolutely. They said no.

Crazy. Crazy. Absolutely crazy. Oh, I would have got so much publicity. It would have been so much fun. Raise money for the kids. We could have sold that, you know, that shirt for a lot of money, bought a lot of tickets for the Special Olympics.

Right. For home games, everybody wins. And they said no. You're such a stud back then. too. Yeah. That's crazy. Would you say right now you're happy and content with where you are in your life right now? I couldn't be in a better place. Hey, so what did you want to talk about?

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Because you had to have gone through. You guys need to read, I don't know. Do you guys read books? Yeah. I read Shutter Island and Harry Potter. That's the only two of my life. Really? Well, I put out a book called The Secrets of My Life

that I did after. the games. And I told my whole story in that book. And it took me sitting at that table right there, two years of sitting there, 8,000 pages of memoirs going through every aspect of my life and all the crazy things that I was doing at that time. When were you the happiest? There it is right there. Secrets of my life. But I do have some questions. I want to know. When were you the happiest in your life? When was the happiest? What was the happiest? What was the happiest? point of Caitlin Jenner's life at what point is it now yes and it's the most content time in my life good so many so many struggles that you have when you just struggle with your identity and the

stupid things that you do to lying to people about yourself uh sneaking around uh you know cross stressing this, that, doing everything you can just to satisfy this feeling that you have and that you're just trying to let go. I mean, I have paparazzi's following. I mean, it was horrible times in my life, okay? I had a lot of things to do in life. I have no complaints. I transitioned at 65, okay? And, but I had a lot of things to do. And I had a lot of things to do. And I had a and have had and continue to have a wonderful wonderful life i mean i have the ultimate double what do you what do you mean by that olympic decathlon champion glamorous woman of the year pretty sauce let's go let's go not many can do both no no that's pretty

dope that's respect that's a life i think this is a great opportunity too for for our audience because I feel like one thing, you know, we could educate a lot of people on like transgender issues, I feel. And I feel like our audience definitely probably has like a lot of questions about it. A lot of questions. I have questions. I've always had questions about it. What is like being a transgender?

Like, can you define that for us? It's very hard to define. But I always had this other person that lived in my soul. soul and it wasn't the same person in my soul that the world saw that I woke up to and looked in the mirror and said oh that's me I never had that feeling you know and I just always struggled with that identity who that person is if you have any faith in your life believe in God, any faith in your life. You ask the question, God, and I have faith in my life,

and I ask that questions millions of times. Why did you do this to me? Why are these thoughts in my head that I just can't get rid of? It's not like you can take two asthma, get plenty of sleep, wake up the next morning and you're just fine. Those thoughts are just there with you all the time. You never felt, I never felt like I fit into society. okay uh yes i was married three times i had 10 children i had a wonderful life they were wonderful

women i you know that was a great part of my life great part of my life and i'm so proud of what i was able to accomplish with all of that but it was it was never me you know it was never who's in my soul and then it becomes how do you how do you deal with it you know and i and i dealt with the best i can by just sneaking around trying to it's like I was living two lives you know like in my book i talk about i used to love to get Vegas speaking engagements why because i could get out of the house go into a parking lot cross-dress you know hop in the car make sure i could make it all the way with fuel i could just about make it the whole way with gas so i didn't have to stop at a gas station and just drive to Vegas, you know, like Caitlin could drive to Vegas.

So you'd dress up as a woman and drive there? What's that? You would like dress up in women's clothing and drive to Vegas? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, I did a lot of crazy things. Walk around hotels, do this and that. Fortunately, never got caught.

Did a pretty good job, but never got caught. One time really close. Yeah, that scared me to death. But, yeah, and those were the kind of the kind of the. crazy things that I would do just so I could have a little peace in my soul, you know, this other part of me that's so alive inside, but I can't show. And the world doesn't understand. Now, I was very blessed and having so many children. And I had spent the time raising the kids, okay? That was number one for me in my life. I wanted to give my kids good

guidance. I wanted to have a family, a dad, you know. They kind of knew things were something's going on and this and that. But they never said anything. It was not a big deal. They never really said anything until I finally got to the point where all my kids were raised. and I, you know, Chris and I had gone our separate ways. I'm back out here in Malibu. Yeah. And I'm thinking of myself because 19, like, 84 to 1990, those six years, I lived in a little house right over that hill over there and basically stayed in that house for almost six years.

coming out just to work once in a while. I really didn't have any friends. I never felt like I fit in and in anywhere. You know, I would just kind of live my little life in that house. And when I, years and years later, I'm back out here. And I thought a lot about that because those were really rough times for me. I was really struggling with my who I am and who my identity is and everything. They were very, there were my roughish years through the 80s.

and I thought when I got back out to Malibu and here I was, single, living by myself again and I'm thinking, oh my God, am I just going to die this way in this house? Or am I going to do something? You know, what can I do? And, you know, the trans community is the most marginalized community in the world. I mean, it's just, it's pretty bad stuff,

one of the most marginalized communities in the world. And so I kept thinking to myself, could I actually pull this off you know and you know you have every excuse in the book why you can't pull it off and I had that I was too tall my voice sucks there's just no way I can do this I'm you know too famous I'm this I'm that I you know just I how can I do it you know and finally I got to the point where I talked to all my children. One at a time.

I didn't want him to gang up on me. So I thought one at a time. Who was the first one you talked to? So the first one I talked to is Brandon. He's like 40 now. Actually, are you in town tomorrow? No. No, I don't think so.

Because he's playing. He's got a band. He's really good. You're playing in Venice. I thought, around we could go. I love the show, any support we can. Bob will probably be there.

Listen, I'm always down for his way. What kind of, yeah, yeah, what kind of band we talk about? Yeah, I'll give you the information. Yeah, before we go. I'm always down for me. What is it like classic? Yeah, he's really talented kid. What type of music, like classic jazz?

No, he, well, I finally got up to come around, and now he's kind of like a funky rock, just really good. For the longest time, he just did this really nice music. music and I can come on I want to go and I want to dance I want to move funk rock yeah kind of like a machine gun Kelly type thing yeah but no it's all he's he plays all the instruments he writes all the music he produces it yeah he's the lead singer uh he does it all yeah and he's got a really good band right now you have my word if I'm allowed that's my girlfriend right there we're gonna go I want to get back to what you said though you were talking about with the but anyway I had to talk to my kids

actually on the talking to my kids you said who did I talk to first and I talk to Brandon why Brandon is, you know, he's kind of my little, I've called him my little Gandhi, you know, he's, but not really, but he, you know, he's always very open-minded and this and that. So I thought, okay, I'll start with Brandon. And Brandon knows his mother had talked to him, you know, and this and that, but nobody, we never talked about it. So, uh, I invite Brandon over to the house. This is when I was living down on the beach by myself. And I invite him over the house. And I said, okay, we got to sit down and talk about it. We've, it's been the little, the monkey in the room that nobody talks about, but now it's, you know, it's time to get it out in the open. So I told him my story, and he basically says, oh, I knew all of that. And I said, well, I figured you did, but we've never talked about it, you know?

So let's talk about it. And there is a possibility I may even transition, you know. It depends on what everybody says in the family, because I won't do it if I have. have one person that says, no, don't do this. You wouldn't have done it? No, I wouldn't have done it. Really?

Why? Yeah. How is that, though? Why wouldn't you've done it? If that's what you really want, why would their opinion matter? Because they're my family. And when you do something like this, it affects your family, big time. I don't want to do anything to hurt my family.

What was like Kendall and Kylie's reaction when you told them? So, first of all, Brandon finish it off. So Brandon goes, we're just about kind of wrapping it up. And Brandon goes, you know what, Dad? I've always been so proud that you're my father. He says, if I go to the airport and I give him my ID and it's Brandon Jenner and they go, oh, is Bruce Jenner, your dad? And he goes, yeah, that's my dad. And they always have such nice things to say about you.

Oh, Bruce comes through here and he's always nice and friendly with everybody and this and that. You know, we love Bruce and this and that. And he says, but I've never been more proud of you that I am right now. I must feel good. And that was pretty heavy, heavy stuff. Good one to start. Not all the reactions were quite that good, but they were all good. I thought I saw you say that.

I think Kendall took it really well and then Kylie was kind of confused about it. To be honest with you, Kendall and Kylie were just afraid for me. you know it's not that they didn't want me to be happy I told them this is the only way I can see that I can go into the rest of my life and be happy have a mission live out my life

you know I used to always think I want to talk whoever I was with that when I die you know I mean this is how deep it goes when I die that and if I hadn't transitioned into stuff

I want to get full hair and makeup done great outfit in the casket everybody comes up and goes Jesus Christ what just happened you know I just glam the fuck out yeah I mean that's the way that's honestly for the longest time it's the way I thought I'd go out you know yeah I mean that's how bad it is you know this is this is a tough stuff and so but Kendall uh all my kids were good with it but they were afraid they were gonna afraid what's the media gonna say what's, what's going to happen to you? Are they going to destroy you? You know, I'm their father.

They love me to death. You know, they don't want that to happen to me. Must have been a lot of pressure on them, too, because they're just so ultra-famous that. Let me tell you, take Kendall and Keating. And, of course, like, Kim, when I told Kim, her big question was, oh, my God, what do we call you? And so I said, well, I'm going with the name, Caitlin. and she goes, oh, good, you stayed with the K's. And I went, you're like, no, I'm dropping the C.

No, no, no, no. No, I said I got, I didn't go with the K. I thought C would be much better, you know? And she goes, oh, okay, you know. But Kenilings with Ks are like a little more like, you got to watch out for them, I feel. Well, it's just too much of the family thing and all of that, you know. Yeah, yeah, just a little bit of separation.

And I think the media would kind of go, crazy with it. So I stuck with it. I stuck with the sea. Got Mother. Got it. But Kendall and Kylie, you know, they were going, well, what do we call you? And I sat back. I sat back and I said, well, dad, you know, I'm your father. I'm always to the day I die, I'll be your dad, you know. And so I said, yeah, call me dad okay and but what they're really good at and every time and they always amaze me what they say and they even in the media they talk about my dad but they say my dad she does this my dad she does that is she they they change pronouns in the middle of it and it would yeah and i said

even when they you know first started doing that i said that's tough it's not easy to change the pronoun thing it's an intentional right it's a conscious effort so how does that wear then when like people say like I identify as this like how does that like work so you identify as like you you're like a female yeah are we allowed to get a little open no i mean no it's just obviously we already got open well i'm curious because you have all these things that you're hiding in right yeah so you're hiding in your dyslexia you're hiding in that you know you're going to become trans how are you able to go film the Kardashians the show when you have all these thoughts you're around four five beautiful women all day like how are you able to be

comfortable like that because I love my kids and I'm so happy for them but was it hard for you and so but anyway what I always always think on keeping up with the Kardashians in the years of shooting and the producers and this and that and you know there's so much drama in the family I love it I mean I love my kids it was it was I had the best time in my life shooting with the kids it is a great show it's a great show my kids were all great did you feel out of play I learned so much about my kids on camera, you know, and the opportunity and because you were kind of forced into talking about issues when the camera's around, you know, where the other time, man, we'll put it up, we'll talk next week. Hey, you couldn't do that. You had to talk about it now.

So, honestly, I had a great time shooting the show for all those years. And, but. Is the show dead? Do they have a show now or not? No, it just came back, right? It's on Hulu. I saw that on the media stuff. Well, did you enjoy doing it or no?

Oh, I love doing it. Yeah, I love doing it with all my kids and everything. But what I kept thinking about was to the producers, the biggest story on the show that nobody knows about is me. The back. Why are you on the show, the Hulu show? Because I'm confused. I read some.

Yeah. And I'm asking, I guess, listen, we have to. I don't know how she's the biggest deal on the show. We got to address that, but. I'd love to just be open in this room and ask questions that, like, I want to know. I would love to hear about more about how you had the biggest thing on the show and more about the... Yeah, no, the... Of course.

I love doing the show. I love that. But I kept thinking during the whole show that the biggest story on the show was me. Of course it was. And but I couldn't talk... But I couldn't talk about it. Yeah. Yeah, I had to keep it quiet.

Yeah. I had to keep that quiet. So what is your relationship with the family now all good? Yeah. I mean, my relationship with the family's, you know, fine. I mean, we do the... together my kids this and that uh just had my 20th grandchild yeah you know a couple of weeks ago because with a car and yeah yeah and that's uh my son bert the oldest son i'm going to the show tomorrow

what's that i'm coming to that show different brother different brother i know but i'm going the brother the other brother's show tomorrow yeah i will give you the information that's my other son brandon hot yeah that's brandon um and my first son is bert yeah and um he's like 43 now. I've been very successful. All my kids have been very successful. I'm very proud of them. And but yeah, it was, yeah, I'm just not on the show. It's a different show now. So who do you think you're the closest relationship with out of your kids? Is there someone like specifically that you're more comfortable or you talk to daily? Of course. When you have 10 kids, you have different relationships from all of your children. Yeah, some that I'm, you know, Kendall and

kindly obviously my flesh and blood and i'm you know very close to them um yeah and the other the kardashian side yeah i mean i see him here and there but i'm not like really close uh kim's probably the closest my other side my my other kids uh yeah my boys brandon bird and the whole group yeah they're all there and again not trying to be all click baity here and whatnot and bringing up whatever and if anything i ever say is crossing the line but kim's obviously going through it right now with Kanye, right? Kim is the most amazing, honestly, what she's been able to do with her life,

she is one of the most amazing people out there. I mean, so different than what people perceive her as. She is one hardworking, smart businesswoman. Obviously, a separation of Kanye has been very difficult over the last year, okay we don't need to go into that it's been difficult um but in that time period look what she's done with her life she has four kids okay she's dedicated mother um she has she because of her father she always wanted to be a lawyer and so she found out a way that she could do it by basically being homeschooled instead of actually going to a college because she can't do that um that she

actually homeschools herself. She has every day, like two people come in, five hours a day, and she studies law, okay? She just passed her first law degree test. When you do it that way, it's a different term. It's the first section of the bar. They do it. When you do it this way, there's like, I think three tests you have to take. She passed the first one.

Kim's going to be a lawyer. And so she did the first one, didn't get it on her first try, then came. back got it. It's hard. Yeah. It's braided on the curve. Can Kim just like? It's graded on the curve and they only they only passed the top 15 percent. It's graded on the curve. Yeah, it's crazy. I mean, it's crazy hard to pass. What's her fee's going to be like? She's going to be expensive, right? Well, I have no idea. Yeah, we never discussed that. But anyway, what do you think about? And so she got past that and she was so excited. I mean, so excited. But here she is raising kids. And in that time period where she's working on becoming a lawyer and

passed her first of the mini bars. She also had KKW, her cosmetic company, which has done extremely well. Then she started skims, and I think the market cap is $3.4 billion right now. And this period, this woman has done it all on her own and raised a family. Yeah. I mean, that's crazy. That is just ridiculous. You think she gets that from?

Who do you think she gets that from? I think it's a lot from her father. Certainly the lost side of it is from her father. she was very close to her dad. You think Chris is like an inspiration. It was such, I mean, it was horrible how quickly he went cancer. Yeah. And, I mean, obviously the whole family was just devastated by what happened.

And we lost Rob at such a, Robert is such a young age. And it was really hard, especially on Courtney and Kimberly, they were so close to her. And even Rob, the whole family, hold that's out, all the Kardashian kids. It's just to lose your father. That's insane. Yeah. And they were very, very close to lose their father. It's just, it was a horrible thing.

And I try to do, you know, you do your best to step in, but there's only so much you can step in. You're still the stepdad, you know. And there's a different set of rules for biological dads and stepdad. So you do what just what you can, you know. Did you ever know O.J? Speaking of Rob. What about OJ? Like, did you ever know him?

Oh, yeah, I know him very well, yeah. You were, like, close with him? What? You were, like, close with them, like friends? Oh, yeah, just a few weeks before the murder, we were on vacation with O.J. and Nicole and... Where? Yes. Chris and I, all down going to Cabo, six weeks before the... Yeah, so I was unfortunately very close to it.

Nicole was... Yeah. Yeah, I was at her house like two days before it happened. Yeah. Yeah, it was horrible. Wow. Yeah. But that's a whole not other water over the dam, yeah.

Yeah. What's your opinion on Skeet? on who on skeet Pete Davidson good old Pete he was over the other day I met him for the first time do you ship like skeet and Kim

I called I was in trouble because I called him Peter and Kim Zelle starts laughing it's not Peter it's Pete I said I don't know I'm just trying to be he came over here he came over here

he came over here yeah he was over here with Kim he was like oh Kim I haven't you know and to be honest with you he seemed like a very nice guy he's got a Hillary Clinton tattoo, though. I don't know. We'll work on that. We'll work on that. And he's, it seems like a very,

very nice guy, but the best part was, we're going to all have to death. Kim seemed, honestly, Kim seemed so happy. And that's my number one concern. Fucking Kanye's in the hill over there. No, it sucks. Kanye's in the hill like a paparazzi or no? What's that now? Kanye in the hill like a paparazzi or no, he doesn't do that? No, he wasn't up there on the hill. Actually, I get along very well with Kanye. I really like Kanye. Every time we've been together, he's been absolutely great, especially during the transition and this and that. He was absolutely phenomenal.

I'm still today when I see him. We're good friends. I just have to be a little careful because, you know, he's said some things, especially towards the family, that, you know, obviously I'm on the family side, you know? Of course. And I wish him nothing but the best. And, you know, I'd love to see him again.

He doesn't really hold Kanye doesn't really hold back on social media He's someone else He doesn't hold back He doesn't hold back all He's just fine up everything up Look at I have no problem

Kanye at all I just I've never met Pete Never met Kanye either way I mean Honestly I like Kanye And he's always been good to me And but yeah You gotta be very careful

When it comes to that type of stuff So yeah And with the Because I want to go back real quick To we have a touch on With the Hulu show Right If you don't mind me ask

Oh you're Boeing going right after I have to go there I have to go there No but I'm not digging I think A little need a little more happy. We have plenty more, plenty more where that came from. I have three of them.

They're amazing. We need another one. Where's Gabe? Maybe we'll hit a shoddy on the course. I'm just curious on your perspective on why you are not on that show. When you were a driving force. Honestly, I don't know. When you're driving force at the beginning.

Yeah, I don't know. I was never asked. And that's fine. I'm very happy for my kids that that continues. That vehicle has been extraordinarily good for my children. and fortunately I'm moving on to other things. You think it's a good, great flavor? Do you think it's...

The happy dad guy's bringing in another cold one. Great, Caitlin Moore. Jeez, I know, yeah. Do you think if it's more of the... Can you crush the first one? But I've got other things I'm doing? Is it more of a personal or a business thing, you think? More of a personal decision or a business decision

why they're not involving you? No, I don't, honestly, I don't know. I was, honestly, they never even asked. Would you want to be on the show? Wow, Hulu. That's fucked up. What I want to be on the show? I'm mad at Hulu. Yeah. I mean, I had a wonderful time with my

kids. It would be great, but it's their show. It's fine. After this, we're going to put a... I've got other things I'm doing. We should put a tweet on the Full Sun podcast Twitter. We're going to tweet and say, why isn't Caitlin Jenner on the show? Everyone go to that tweet. Go to that tweet right now. That's fine. Let's answer. Let's ask Hulu. Why is Caitlin Jenner on the show? Why does the family want to say? A lot of people have asked that question. I'm actually kind of fucking pissed off and I'm not going to lie. Bob, you have a connected

Hulu. Yeah, I get it, but I'm not a guy. He's not that high up. I'm happy for my kids. I've got things to do. Actually, you know what I'm doing, which is going to be so much fun. What do you got? And I just cannot wait for it to start, and it starts in five weeks. What do you got? Uh, I started a race team. Jenna racing. I saw the hats. Those are sick. Yeah. What kind of racing? I started a race team. I've been involved in racing cars for years. What sport? What sport? NASCAR F1. Uh, this is, uh, it runs in conjunction with the Formula One circuit. You're going to be in the Miami event, right? The Miami event will be our first event.

Where do you guys? Oh, we're in Miami. We might, yeah. Oh, you guys are going to pop in on the last day? You got a pit crew right here. Are you going to be there? Oh, of course. My team's running.

I got two cars running in the W series. I dabble the last person a little bit. I feel like, see you on the track. Yeah, I feel like women's sports has been under assault here over the last few years. I've been very, you know, even, you know, in the old days, I was always very close to, like, Donna Devarona and helping her with Title IX and what was getting it through. and so I've always, you know, been partial towards women's sports. I mean, I think a lot of times they get a bad deal.

There's our car right there. Let's go. Wow. Oh, my Lord. You got Jenna on the side. It's a sauce, Jenna racing. And it's kind of like it's a W-series car, but it's kind of like a Formula 3 car. That's dope.

And I'm very excited about it. I got two of them to run in the W-series. It's the first all-women racing series. It's all women versus women. There is a lot of great women drivers out there. Now, it's hard for anybody, male or female, to move up in racing. I know. I did it for years.

I was a factory driver for Ford Motor Company for five years. You know, one Sebring, won a lot of big races. Yeah. Had a lot of fun doing it. And this gave me an opportunity, one, to give back to women's sports. I think this is a great opportunity for them. And two, I just love racing. And so two cars, my two drivers, the first one, in fact, they were out here last week.

She came in from the UK, a girl named Jamie Chadwick. She's the real deal. I mean, the real deal. She won the series the last two years. I really think she has a good chance to be the first woman in Formula One. And years and years and years and years, it's been like 40 years since there's been a woman in Formula One. I think it'll come out of the W series. So she'd be racing with the men?

She does race with men. But this series, I'm not aware of that. This series, it's all women on women. But she races in other series where she races against guys. You know, she was like the Formula 3 champion. Because all it matters is what's in that engine.

And I know you got the big bucks. So you follow your guys. She's up ready to go. Yes. And, but she's the real deal. She's also got a development deal with Formula one team, Williams,

where she's kind of on their team on the side, working with that, hopefully, to get into a Formula One ride. And then the second driver's 17. This is a development series. I wanted my second driver to be what I thought would be the future. What's his name? And her name is Chloe Chambers. She's a very interesting story.

She's from China. Is she transgender? No. Okay. There's, yeah, there was actually. actually one transgender person who did try out. I had no idea. I'm just saying I had no idea. There was one transgender person who did try out for the team.

Yeah. A transgender woman, which we have no problem with. And the W-Series, if there was a trans woman, because it's not like, there she is. She is young. But she was adopted by a family, I think originally in New Jersey, now they live in New York, adopted at the age of nine months, came to the United States. as last week we were saying, she goes,

I am not Chinese, I am 100% American. And I go, girl, I got it. I'm going to put American flags all over your car. I love that. You know? That's awesome.

Yeah. And she goes, yeah, I don't even know. You got to fight back. She goes, yeah, I left, you know, I was adopted at nine months of age and raised by this family. But she's a really talented young girl, only 17. So I'm really looking forward to her.

And, you know, we start in a couple of weeks in Miami. It's awesome. We love to get behind her. Well, everyone should come out, F1, Generating. Let's come on. We'll be R.E. Binder. Yeah.

I will. Let's put the Army. We'll be on the fucking team. So, yeah. And so I'm really looking forward. This is, you know, you say why you're not doing the show and the Hulu show and this and that. To be honest with it, it's kind of nice. I can do my own thing.

I have some other things going on that I'm doing. Yeah, I'm older. You know, I would much rather go to these eight races because we go like Miami. Sounds fun. And then next, I think two weeks later is Barcelona, Spain. and then we have a little break and then it's the British Grand Prix and London and so I go there for a week

and you know my team my girls are out there you know competing is we go we come back to Cota in in Austin Texas yeah we'll run there and then we run Mexico City we run Japan

so it'll be a fun fun summer I feel like the room I feel like the room and like you know what it is when you come in this situation right and you sit down with somebody like you It's always like, you know, we're always on our toes a little bit, right? Because I'm, you know, I want to ask you if you don't mind me, if it's out of line.

Like when you, when you, I don't know how to, like, am I allowed to speak freely? Are by what? Am I allowed to ask you like openly about something? Just fucking do it. I can ask me, I may not answer it. But yeah, you can ask any question you want. I'm curious about that very. Yeah.

No, I'm just fire away. I'm curious about like the procedure, like when you, when you transition. Transition. Yeah. is it like, is it gone? Is it like, and I don't mean to like, I don't know, I don't want to ask the question disrespectfully.

I want to ask it a real way because I have been from that standpoint, very open. Okay, cool. And yes, it's gone. So how does that work? Like a sword, like a sword comes in and fucking knocks it off and throw it in the pickles. I've been, yeah, I've been very open with that.

Not being like what I'm just like a master of these, I don't know what. That's a lot of questions. Trans-communally, only, I think that the numbers are like 32% actually have complete gender reassignment surgery. Right. 30%? Most don't want, it's expensive. And, you know, some of the girls still like male sex, I guess. I don't know.

Right. But, yeah, I made the decision years earlier that if I were to do that, yeah, I would do it all the way or not at all. And all the way And again, pause me if I am ever getting out of line All the way meaning does it transition to the other part And I'm just yeah, yeah

I was yeah What is that surgery like? Like what does that work? What is that surgery like? We can't get too much into. Well, I'm just saying. I don't want to go into specifics

But as doctors say, it's easier to take it off than it is to put it on. Of course. So we'll kind of leave it. It's not honestly three years ago I had shoulder surgery

from playing golf and I'm left-handed and this and that to be honest with that that was the worst surgery I had to go through I just three months ago had knee surgery

I had a complete knee replacement of years of beating up on my poor little knee and that was tougher than the other ones and so those are actually relatively easy you know

but it is a process of hormones she's bringing up golf excuses of the golf course right now Is it a tough send-off, though? Because I feel like you probably did some, like, when you remove that part,

is it a tough send-off? I feel like you did some work with it back in the day, so I just don't know if like it's tough to get rid of that body part. There's still other work you can do with the new parts. There you go. Are you dating? Are you dating? What?

No, I don't date. No. I never will. I didn't do it to date. I, you know, I transit to 65. I'm 72 now. Dating is just, I got other things to do. I've already been there, done that.

I got 10 kids. I'm just filling my time. I just had my 20th grandchild. My day is full. I don't. But you got to have still, though. I have very, very good, great, great, great friends. And that's just the way I want it.

And I hope you consider us friends. Well, we'll see how this all comes out. And we'll see after the golf game. What do you think? I think it's going to be very great. I think I had 310 yards bullshit. No, he's chabbing. By the way, Kay, that's bullshit.

You don't want the smoke on this golf course. Really? You don't want to smoke. He's off no sleep. We're good. All right. What was, uh, just. Is he the call for the group?

Bob's probably the best. But he's off no sleep. You're not 10 anymore, dude. You want to know the secret to this guy? Right. You can own. This is why we call him Z. I own a majority of real estate in his head.

I own so much real estate in his head. You can easily get in there. And once you're in there, he's got no chance. I know. He brings his girl and shit. There's some ammo for you. He can't put. I know.

No, absolutely not. What did you think of the whole Dave Chappelle, transgender, like, bit on Netflix? And what went on with that? I was in support. of Dave Chappelle. I am not into and never have been into cancel culture. I hate it. This woke mentality that we have out there right now, I am not into that. I believe in free speech and I protect Dave Chappelle's right for free speech. Now, is it something that I like or what he says? It can be

very funny, you know, and I'll laugh at. I laugh at myself. I mean, I'm the first one. Did you ever see the um uh it's kind of interesting the alec baldwin comedy central roast yeah of course that i was in yes yeah and i you know everybody took shot i got roasted worse than you know than baldwin and i was an easier shot they all came after me and i had my uh i had my returns you know i could punch it back just as good and it was a lot of fun and i i just love that type of stuff um and i don't want to get into the cancel culture. I don't want to limit speech. He has the right to say those.

What I worry about sometimes there is that fine line in comedy, okay, of being funny and being mean. There is that fine line. I don't like mean comedy, okay? And I would take offensive to that. But, I mean, in today's society, John Rickles, could he even work? what about Chris Rock what he just did with Will Smith was that too far

well Smith did at the hand same thing I'm not even Chris Rock even in his day when he was you know doing a lot of stuff and it's pretty

I would watch this stuff it would some of it would be funny but it wasn't like that's not my kind of humor you're right though there is a certain line that you can cross I think Will there is a certain line

Will Smith what he did at the Oscars was fucking nuts but at the end of day he talked about his woman I would do the same thing if anybody talk about summer run up there and slap Chris in his face so fucking hard if he brings him my woman.

I know, Will. I've known for a long time. I will come over there and slap you right in front of Caitlin and I'll make you my bitch. I'm sorry, Caitlin. I know, well. You will not do that. My bad.

I'm sorry. His kids and my kids grew up together. His kids were at my house all the time for years. My kids were over at his house. Yeah. I've known him. He's always been very, very good to me, very nice to me. He also plays golf at the club.

um i've seen him actually recently i've seen him quite a bit there um sat down had lunch with them always very nice jada's there always very nice um we have a nice little relationship um and but uh that was very it was just disappointing um i everybody lost he lost everything and he's had such a great career lost well lost yeah it wasn't good it was a distasteful joke in my opinion, but at the same thing as a comedian, Will runs up and slaps him in the Oscars in the middle of nowhere. That never should have happened.

It's unfortunate because he'll be remembered for that for the rest of his life and he's done so many, a lot of very good things. Yeah, you're absolutely right. But at the same time, I know, Will Smith said, everybody's done one of the Oscars. Yeah.

And he's done a lot of good things. Yeah. And he's going to be remembered for that. And just one moment of where he just got, you know, showed very poor judgment. I don't really think it's that big. a deal. Like, I think people make it a bigger deal. I think it's like he just, somebody talks shit about his wife, like, slap me.

Dude, you're putting on right now. Well, when he did accept his award, I have to agree with a lot of the things he said, how it's very difficult to be in the position, either in a celebrity world or whatever it is, you're in a position for there's a lot of hate out there

and for that hate to come through you. And somebody depends on, I don't give a flying hoot about it, okay? But some people, I think they have a very difficult time and just processing that, you know, and it gets to you and he, for some reason, lost it. He talks about a sex life a lot too,

which Will talks about his sex life. He never talked to me about it, but yes. You think Will's an attractive guy? What? You think Will's an attractive guy? Do I have the one? Do you think Will Smith's attractive? I think he's a good-looking dude, right?

Yeah. Yeah. I think Will's a good-old. Yeah, man. Thanks for that. For a guy, what do you think? I think Will's, I think he's a good-looking dude. But I think it's more, in Will's case, it's more his personality when he's on and working, I think that, yeah.

I want to ask two last, like, how does it feel to be, like, the father of two such successful, like, businesswoman, like, Kylie and Kendall? Like, what they've done, I mean, they probably get a lot of shit, but I feel like what they've done with, like, their business and their entrepreneurship is something that I can relate to, too. Like, we have a lot of, you know, ventures that we do. but what they've done in, like, business is pretty fucking crazy. It is, it is, yes, it's being smart, being in the right place at the right time with the right product, have the platform. You see my kids, and a lot of this is, almost all of it's been done through social media. And you have to realize that my kids have been involved in social media since its beginning.

I remember when the show started early 90. or when was it? No, it was after that because then I got married. So it was like latter 90s when the show actually started. Or 2000? How long to go?

10 years? 22? Maybe it was later. It was somewhere in the 2000s. I remember Brian Sechrest who was, his company was the production company on it, said to the girls

when the first year of start, oh, you've got to start tweeting. And I'm going, what the hell's a tweet? tweet right you know what do you mean by that what is this so i didn't do any of that i didn't do any of but they all got jumped on it and instagram when instagram started i mean they would you know the girls were right at the beginning of all of that stuff that social media and because of the show and everything they built this massive following i mean literally you can sit at the dinner table with

all the kids in reach book club on Monday, gym on Tuesday, date night on Wednesday, out on the town on Thursday, quiet night in on Friday. It's good to have a routine, and it's good for your eyes too, because with regular comprehensive eye exams at Specsavers, you'll know just how healthy they are. Visit Spexsavers.cavers.capsavers.cai to book your next eye exam. Independent Optometrists. Three quarters of a billion people. Are they obsessed with it all the time? Are they, Kylie, all the time?

It has become a business with them. Right. And they are on their phones a lot. Right. But they have a complete little small army of people that they work with, personally work with to put that stuff out. But, yeah. But that's their ideas.

It's what they want to put out. But they, you know, they, especially because of their businesses, you know, yeah. they it's very well thought out is that like chris a lot like guiding them as like chris has been yeah chris has been you know from the beginning she's been kind of the brains behind a lot of it especially with kiley because kiley was so young she was only 18 when she started her company um and yeah she was very involved with that um kim probably is a little bit more independent of chris um and but she's also older now and you know she's a little bit more

independent of her. She kind of does. I think Skims was probably more Kim than it was Chris in so many ways. That's really cool though. It's something I respect about them. It sucks to just see that. What I hate to see is obviously good people going through shitty things. And so obviously Kanye and back to that real quick, Kanye and Kim going through their shit, hopefully it all resolves in a normal manner. Oh, I do too. I do too. And then I think it will. Because to be honest with they was in every time like that because I've been through a divorce. It's all about the kids. Right.

How can you do the best thing you can do to take care of the kids? Because in the long run, it's about the kids. How about the other two boyfriends? Who do you like better? Devin Booker or Travis Scott? Oh, you're getting personal now. I'm just asking you. You're getting me in trouble.

Is there a favorite boyfriend? My opinion on that. His D-Book's on fire. Travis has sloppers, but he's kind of in the dump. Devin Booker, I have more in common with because of athletics. Sure. And he seems to be a very nice. nice guy, and I haven't really had heavy conversations with him. You know, I see him here,

see him there. Have they all come over here? And like, like does Kylie bring you to Travis? I don't know if Devon's been here. I've been at like Kendall's house and this and that one. He's been over there. I don't know if he's been here. But and Travis, I don't have quite as much in common with him, but he seems to be good to Kylie. you know but to be honest with you I really liked his parents Travis's yeah

I mean they're really nice you know they're from Houston and and I get along great with them every time we have like a family event I get along really well with the mom and the dad do they ever fuck around and you got to step in as the father and be like yo don't treat my daughter like that like type thing

no no they keep my mouth shut but I do watch do all your daughters like secret approval you've been watching Travis right I try to do my best but then I also respect Kylie and her position with him and eventually that is her decision

not mine but yeah I throw my little two cents in her every once in a while I'd be scared as fuck imagine you're dating like Kylie or some shit and then like you fucked up well I look at it this way and I've talked to the kids

standing there staring at you like I'd be I talk to the kids all the time about it you know I said just you know take Kylie and Kendall here they are extraordinarily successful young women I could never date a Kylie when I was like when I was growing up can you imagine

you have to get kind of somebody at your same level that's the only way you can survive I mean if you're just you know some kid off the street and you know how could you do that you know Kylie says oh let's go to dinner and you know she runs over you know to her plane and jumps in the plane he goes to San Francisco Francisco has dinner and comes back you know crazy yeah that's kind of tough it's like a different

level it's a whole different level so i think it's very hard for them to find somebody that's why i'm really happy that you know Kendall has devon he seems everything i've seen he seems like a really good guy and can shoot some hoops Aaron's been sliding in the DMs like we're all really like good people funny successful he think like we would ever have a chance or yeah with Kendall Kylie. Like us three would we ever have a chance or... You couldn't even pull Rob. Who would have the best chance out of the three of us to maybe... We could do all the daughters. We could do Kim, Kendall,

Kylie. Be honest. Corny. Like, do we have a chance? No, like if we were, yeah. You could be honest. Come on. Who would have the best? Your best chance is with me. And that's zero. And that's zero. I don't know if... Well, he's been in the studio. I'm fucking playing

pickup ball. Let me tell you what. I like to set the stakes very high in our golf match. Very high. Yeah, I guess we've got to run the golf, right? Yeah, it would be very, it's very difficult for them to even date. And so, but like I was saying earlier, with Pete, I saw Kim so happy. And I even text her after I said, Kim, that's like the happiest I've seen you. And that's my concern.

You know, I want Kylie the same way to be happy. I want Kendall to be happy. Devin seems to be very good. And Travis, it's more in and out, you know, he's kind of got his own. own life. But Kylie seems to be happy with them. And they got two kids together. You know, good for them. It's awesome. This has been the most random, amazing new relationship. I think we built here with Caitlin. I never thought we'd ever be sitting in the same room. I've had a very interesting life. Glad I could share. I hope I don't get it. Hope I don't get in too much trouble.

I think our audience, Caitlin is going to have a lot of respect for you, like I said, because it's just cool how, you know, you made it like a choice in your life. But I think just because you're a part, you made a choice doesn't mean you have to. think the same way as a lot of people. Everyone can have their own opinion, their own views about stuff and something that we really respect about you and I think our audience will really respect. Well, I appreciate that. You know what I have noticed everything that I do because of, you know, the show for so many years and this and that, that people don't really know me or understand me. Every place I go, I was in the jungle with a bunch of last year with a bunch of people from the

UK. And I was the only American there and doing this show. And they all say, after I says, oh, my God, I had no idea you were like this open or this nice. And it's so different than what I thought it was going to be. You know, and I've always felt that. I've just been very open, very common sense. I like people. You know, I like meeting people, like being out there. and you know i like just wake up every morning and be myself last question before we run to golf

governor of california yeah would you ever run again probably not i realized especially in california how difficult it is especially to raise money right um uh to be honest with you once that was all over with um i didn't win larry didn't win you know gavinusum stayed in um And my first reaction is, I'm okay, I'll be fine. I've learned a lot. But I feel sorry for the people of California because the scam continues. And this state is nothing but one big scam with the politicians. And it's just unfortunate because California deserves better than what they're getting.

But I will always stay involved in politics. I'm doing some things now I will stay involved but probably not in running for something there's a lot of things you can do to help the Republican Party pick better candidates raise money do all of them

am I allowed to ask one last question so who's the next president of the United States well I don't think it'll be a Democrat okay the Democrats have just destroyed this country so quickly, it's a joke. I don't know. Hopefully we can survive four years of, or at least

two years of big time Democratic control. Hopefully in November, that all changes. At least we have some Republican control on the House and the Senate to kind of stop what's going on. But will Trump run?

I think he probably will. I don't know. I mean, we've certainly talked to those people a lot, but I don't know. Do you ever talk to him, Trump? Yeah, on a few occasions here and there. Would you go out and speak for him? Would I do what?

Would you go out and speak for him? Like out of like a rally or something? Yeah, I mean, we've talked about coming down and playing golf with him and spending some time with him and this and that. We'll see what he's doing for next year. I don't know. He comes with a lot of baggage. You know, which is tough.

But I think in looking at this country right now, he's probably the only one that, hey, for a better term, has the balls to stand up for this country, the workers for this country. Guys got a sack on it. Big sack. Yeah, big set. It's a little old, though. A little old. I don't know if he has. Sacks is a sacks.

He's going to be up there in age. Sacks don't age. Yeah. And down in your state dissent is I think will eventually be the next. I think we're going to get him on the show, too. Yeah. We'll see. I like what he's doing.

He's standing up to the stupid media and this and that. You're used to this game. You're very good at beat around the Bush at the end of the day saying that you're Yeah. I mean, just put it this way. If Trump ran, I'd vote for him in a heartbeat. Yeah. Yeah.

Everybody in this room, we all vote. Yay, you know. Yeah, let's fix it. If it's between Biden, Trump, I'm going to vote Trump all day. Oh, all day long. So I'll say that. I think there might. be some other, I don't know, Republican candidates that might give him a run, but we'll see.

Anyway, should we decide on a little, like, bat for the police? I mean, are you actually going to play golf? Are you going to, I don't want to chicken out? No, what are we, what's this now? I mean, are we playing golf or no? He wants to introduce a wager if you're okay with that. Like a friendly wager. What's the way?

Are we playing golf for no. No money involved. No money. But we actually playing golf ever this. Maybe. What would be? If he loses, he has to wear a. skirt. He does that

anyway, but... Oh, he does that already? Yeah, it's not the answer. It's true. It's a slow process, you know, slowly day by day. Well, you're the wager guy. No, I think that we're going to do. We'll figure it on the golf course. Let's go. You're the best. Honestly, I just want to say, thank you so much for having us to your house. We really, really respect you. Thank you. Thank you. You're an amazing, amazing, amazing person.

Well, very welcoming. This is an amazing experience. Thank you, Caitlin. We had a good time. We had a good time. I don't think I got myself in too much trouble. No. I think I was pretty... If you wanted to say, If you want to right now, go ahead. Ask Sophia. Sophia, come here.

Sophia's over there, sweating. Come here. Come here. Come here. Get Sophia in here. I want to know more about Sophia. Hold it. Hold it.

I want to break Sophia. Yeah, Sophia's got to come in. Uh-oh. You know what, you're going to step up with Sophie. I'm right here, you're using my mic. Okay. Now, Sophia is the brains behind this whole thing. By.

Yeah, no, I know. We'll go here. But wait, I do want to know this because she actually, She plays a big role in your life. This whole operation, she's the brains behind it. I'm the front person. Okay. And she is the most amazing person, smartest person I know, economics finance major.

She was the state debate champion in high school. Okay. The girl can talk. You can't win an argument with her. She's very smart. I got on the phone with her and she's a bit of a hard ass. She's straight to the point. She's straight to the point.

She's straight to the point. Yes. Yes. And I was kind of. beating around the bush about getting you on and then you're kind of like cut the shit like are we doing this or not. I'm behind the camera for a reason not this reason right

now I'm in front of it no when you're in this business you kiss a lot of frogs and so you've kind of weed that out really quickly 100% how important Caitlin is it to have someone like that running your shit? You might be a frog I would ask your girlfriend later but

but she may kiss you and turn you into a prince you know like that She asked if she said anything that was too bad. Did you feel that way? No, I mean, I think we killed it. The number one thing that you missed was that would you vote for Trump? Oh, my God.

She said she would. Of course you would. That's why I said. I don't know if he's running. And he comes to a lot of baggage. There's no baggage. The baggage is that he's right on everything. Well, he has been.

We disagree politically, but that's okay. I think so. I'm very, very, very heavily Trump. yes you guys saw we had them on our show locked in did you see that we had Trump on our on our show here like yeah and I saw oh that's right we had them yeah

YouTube deleted it in 24 hours it got almost 6 million views and then YouTube took it down oh I heard because he said something about election fraud yeah oh my God we would never say that no we spent so much time on the episode trying to get him in the room but it was it was a very big statement that they took it down

yeah so That's kind of where we're at No, they won't take I guess I'm wrong But yeah I think we can rely on Spotify a little more Honestly with like You know

We'll put the full thing up on Spotify And Fox News Fox News If you take this down Fox News You're fucking with Fox now That's right You know

Damn You do not want to You don't want to fuck with her Who's the biggest beauty at Fox News This one right here Yeah this is the one Who's the biggest Sophia

Who's the biggest beauty at Fox News Are you like a Tucker Carlson or Sean Hannity? Tucker? You don't like him? For beauty? Yeah. He's a good-looking guy.

Oh, okay. Or no. Are you gay? No, I'm just, he's a good-looking guy. Here you go, Bob. By beauty, I mean, like, overall, like, looks, personality. Sean. Sean?

I have a crush on Sean. Really? For sure. Who do you think the best-looking guy in the group is out of the three of us? Oh, God. Probably none of us. It would take a lot more than one. what i'm seeing right now god damn it you know what i mean tough as nails what if i like sick a

sink a couple like 10 footers on on the course no no no that's not gonna do it okay you need a 10 footer off the course yeah yeah don't got that don't got that i'm fucked all right should we hit the link all right we're wrapping it up all right we're done