FULL SEND PODCAST - Chris Bumstead x Nelk Boys | Ep. 80

Episode Date: March 31, 2023

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Go. Really? That's how we start this. Let's go. You got to do full send the honors, you know? Have you guys met or no? Bro, I met in 2017. Where did you guys meet?

My gym. GnC? No, I came by the gym. I remember I took a picture of you like standing. You hit a side chest. Oh, yeah, in front of your little. Yeah. It was like one day post-Olympia too.

Yeah. At my peak, yeah. Yeah, you crush, man. So much has changed. I saw you guys kind of grilling each other like when you both walked in. Is there any like gym bro, like. That's a little salty for me. I'm sure.

No. Salty a what? I don't know. No, I asked him to come like a thousand times. You asked me when I was in prepping stuff, so. Okay, that's fair. You got to ask me right after. How long ago did he ask you?

Oh, a long time. Last year? Yeah. Sebum, thanks for responding to my DM. Got you. It's real gym bro shit. You knew, huh? Yeah.

Thank you. Did you say, like, was that like a gym bro connection there? Yeah. Okay. That's what we're lacking, you know? Yeah, he wasn't responding to you. We didn't have that, dude. What do you mean?

I don't know. I don't know. I feel it with him a little bit more. You feel the connection with him. This guy can't go to the gym like more than fucking once a week. Why with you today? Yeah, once a week.

Yeah, that's true. Come on there. All right, you want to bring him? Yeah, no, I thought we were already going. Yeah, we've been rolling. The fuck. Yeah, we got, we got Seabom, Chris, four-time Mr. Olympia champion,

also a fellow Canadian, right? Fellow Canadian, indeed. Just told me he's from Ottawa, so it's pretty crazy, too. He always rips on Canadians, too. I don't know my after we might have to like toss them up against the wall it's like a joke bro you know what I mean

now it's a joke right yeah I love Canadians all of a sudden it's a joke you're stupid so what's good what you've been up to not a whole lot man living the Florida dream right now you know it's nice living down here but it's an honor to be on the podcast

I remember watching you guys back in the day because you guys were fellow Canadians killing it you're still in Toronto I think when you first started do all the prank stuff and stuff yeah so it's cool see how like far you guys have come and grown into so many like like a real business like brand you know for sure it's wild when did you move down here uh like a year and a half ago okay oh that's that like pretty soon yeah it was kind of middle of covid you know all the shit going on with covid damn and until then you were still in canada yeah oh shit

i thought you moved down here like all right we're going to do a shot i guess did you move out of did you move out of canada because of the whole the whole like canadian response to the that wasn't the whole reason it was mainly business stuff but like it was yeah it was like three years that we were fully shut down like jim pretty the same shit it was bad yeah well what was that experience you were working out in a basement i was prepping for one of my olympias working on some guy's basement was like cable rack machine and stuff like in some dumbbells it was wild well that's actually a crazy story yeah so what yeah tell us about that like covid hits and then sure i'll take one of these or let's do these first why do you have two that's just

my little up because you're the biggest guy that's my little lime holder because fuck bro Brad we might need to switch in a minute my full shot my fucking don't cut to the wide shot bro please my quads compared to C-bums bro Jesus Chris do we have track pants bro oh fuck this is hilarious this is bad bro this is hilarious this is bad all right I might need two Cheers, cheers, cheers. Cheers, guys. So what was that like training for an Olympia in like a basement with? What kind of equipment was it?

Just pulleys and... It was literally like a cable rack, a Smith machine that was going to fall apart, and then some dumbbells. And I was my brother-in-law. He was like makes me look like a skinny little bitch. And he would squat like 500 pounds on this rackety little Smith machine. Yeah. And he prepped for a full show back there.

I just did half my prep leading into Olympia. and then we got into, like, a gym that led us in the back door kind of thing. Yeah. But it was pretty brutal for a while. And that was during a prep that you, like, had that set up? Yeah, yeah. This was because gyms were closed in Canada, right? Everything was closed, yeah.

Canada was crazy. Even when gyms opened up, you had to wear a mask in the gym. You still took a dub that year? Yeah. You still took to win that year? I did, yeah. So no fucking excuses, man. Holy shit.

What year was that? 2020? 2020, yeah. And you'd won the year before, right? Yeah. What was, that was 2019 the first year you win? 20 and 2 was the first year I won and then 2020 was actually like one of my best years I've ever done so maybe COVID was the secret did you have an opinion on that like them closing down the gyms I know Brad went through a tough time with that and yeah kept my shit open did you like did that affect you mentally at all or mentally I was pretty good I have a really good support system back there but I wasn't I didn't I wasn't in agreeance with it you know it's pretty ridiculous they were just and it was so long and clearly like all of America opened up and we stayed shut down for like a year and a half and it just didn't make sense so I know every time I went back there for like Christmas or some shit it was like it was next level you said to be there to like feel it it's

like a different feeling like people are like looking at you and shit if you get too close to them have you gone back now and you notice people are still a little different yeah people are colder and like a little more reserved like yeah like I said once in front of someone like oh well like thank god it's over now and they're like well it's not over yet like there's still like 300 like whatever I'm like oh my god here we go yeah it's pretty crazy so you win the first year well 2019 yep what does that change for your career after you win that. Shoot,

everything. Yeah, literally everything. Okay, but someone's on his education. My bad. Sorry. I'm a little more,

I'm a little more in this guy. Sorry. Yeah, I mean, it was, I was, I was always someone who took one goal at a time. So I never thought I was going to win the Olympia

or even wanted to really win the Olympia when I started competing. So when I first came second, I was like, fuck, like this is like something that I could do for probably make a career out of. I dropped out of school, put everything into it. So coming into 2019 and actually winning it and having all that like work and sacrifice come

into place was like a really cool moment but i had dealt with some like um like i have an autoimmune disease i got really sick the year before from it so i was living in a lot of fear and like prepping for an olympia trying to be like confident and it takes a lot of like confidence to believe in yourself getting through it but i kept downing on the back of my mind i was getting sick again and i was hurting myself so it was this conflict of my mind i was going through and then after i won the first one it was amazing obviously beautiful moments i've been working for a long time but it was like a sense of relief when I was done because there was so much stress I was holding. And I was like, fuck. Like, why am I doing something that I like love so much and letting it cause so much

stress into my life? So I had to really like honestly take a step back that next year and like kind of reprogram my mind into like relinquishing that fear and not like constantly worrying about whether I'm going to be sick or not. And like letting go of control because autoimmune disease are so like, what is that? Yeah. It's called IG neuropathy. So it's when your immune system kind of like attacks itself and it's just like a pregenetic disposition you have or not and it can just like flare up sometimes obviously there's ways to mitigate the best as possible by being really healthy and keeping stress levels down but obviously prep is like high stress yeah so it's something that obviously caused more stress in my mind and stressing about it

made me like a loop of shit so 2020 was a year i really had to like dive deep into myself and be like all right like if you're going to keep competing you either stop competing or do it without this fear and like understand that you have no control over it so you have to just kind of let it go to the universe what happens will happen deal with it when it does damn that's pretty tough You get your blood work done pretty often then because it really, yeah. Actually, just did this morning too. How often? Probably every quarter on average.

During prep, I did it like every month for a while at one point. And, you know, sometimes my markers are always great, but I know where they need to be for my baseline. Yeah. Yeah. I have a question you kind of talked about like actually like going all the way in and being like, man, I'm going to do this competing thing for real. Did I'm really curious, did social media affect? Because I remember seeing you years ago before you came to my gym and before you really started blowing up. And I would always see these shots of you set up these low angles and, like, your legs were always insane.

You know, that shit. I don't know you went like an apartment somewhere, but. I was in my sister's house. Okay. Yeah, I remember those. I remember seeing you being like, this kid's got crazy shape. I wonder if he really looks like that. Yeah.

Before you ever got on stage, way before. And obviously you came by, I met you. But I'm curious, did social media have an effect on like you being like, okay, I'm going to really do this? Or it was like bodybuilding the thing that you were like, before you even got on the internet, you were like, I'm going to do this. You know what I'm saying? It definitely wasn't social media. And honestly, it's hard to explain because it wasn't even that much of a love for competing. It was just like the competitive nature in me, finding something that felt like it was like meant for me and being able to put so much effort in starting to see progress.

And just like the reward I got from that effort and like just the goal that I had, something to pursue and a meaning of purpose of my life just really drove me to put everything into it. And social media was never a goal of mine. Yeah, I literally posted those were just like check and they threw them up because I had videos and I never thought it would take. me anywhere on social media. When did you start to pop off on social media? Because your socials are huge, right? Yeah. Your Instagram and like, it started to grow when I won my first Olympia, but it like popped off huge after that second one in 2020. Because the look, the way I looked in 2019 to 2020 was like, it looked like it was three years difference in between because I like really got my shit together. So at that point, people are like, fuck this guy's dominating. He's probably

going to win for years. And it just kind of like blew up. And then I started investing a lot more to my social media my boy calvin here i got them to like my youtube full time and everything and we really documented like there's all there was always influencers and then there were bodybuilders and few people competed at a high level and actually documented it it's pretty stressful too like to do both to do both enough even just the influencer shirts hard enough so you're doing before the olympia he's living with me we're filming every single day if you think about that's actually pretty sick because you're watching you're telling your story on instagram of competing or starting to like get in shape to competing in mr olympia yeah so

everyone's really locked in literally yeah i give them like a complete behind the scenes look of what it takes like showing them all the ups and the downs and i think that's why people kind of connect and my social like did well because it was really like i tried to just be honest you know i just showed when i felt like shit i would like have moments where i broke down and was scared and i like spoke about it and shared it and people were like fuck it's human you know yeah so i think people were able to just relate to that yeah i think it's important something you said though like as far as your reasoning for doing it wasn't necessarily social because i think a lot of kids nowadays, and I want you to speak to this a little bit, they like get into this industry

because they see, oh, you could have success and you can make money and not necessarily competing. I'm talking about like social and fitness. But I notice a lot of people who have like really high level of success actually in this industry. It's because like they just really wanted to like do it. Not so much social. They were just like really into like the health, the fitness, the actual body building, like that side of things. And then it came along with it. Like the social can't comes along with it. For sure. I just think there's a lot of kids who do it because it's just like, I swear, I just think people go to the gym now

to, like, film their stuff and not really train. Like, have you noticed that's a, that's been a shift? Because, like, I'm assuming when you started this, how old are you? 28. Yeah, when you started,

it was like, that wasn't a thing that was relevant or people were even doing and you just had to love it because you did it just before yourself. Yeah. A lot of people now do it, like I said, just because it's for a camera.

For sure. It's a long question. And I think that affects, like, what's that? So that was a long question. No, I know, I want his opinion on that. Because, like, a lot of kids do it just because they're like, oh, I want to get, I want to be popular.

Yeah. You know? I definitely notice that shift a lot. And even in, like, the sponsorship world that we're in, like, it's typically supplement sponsorship before you have to be a pro and then maybe you'd get a sponsorship. Now, most of the pros get shit sponsorships and just random people in social media get the big ones because it's marketing, you know? Right.

But I definitely notice a lot of people now get into the wrong reasons. And usually those people don't last. They burn out. Yeah. Typically don't compete at a high level because it takes a lot more effort and discipline. to put in that and if you're not doing it for the right reasons it's hard to kind of work that hard for it but i mean it's our just kind of our society and i think like i touch i dropped out of college to do this but i didn't i never had the intention to do that and i didn't do it to be lazy

i think people start things to try and find an easy way to get success an easy way to get money because they're lazy and everyone always asked me like should i drop out of college to compete i'm like fuck no like you you asking me that means you're probably lazy like you should know that answer by yourself and i understand whatever pass you take is going to be hard as fuck but like it's got to be the right path for you, you know. How did you make that decision to drop out of college? Walk us through that. I mean, it took a minute. My mom's still not happy with it. I don't think. No way. Still not. No way. She'll still tell me, you know, you can go back to college and there's only two years left to school. I'm like, no, all right. Maybe one day. Where were you going? I was in Delhousy,

Halifax. It's funny. How is that? It was a great time. I'm sure you guys have been out there. I've been out there. It's fun. It's a good time. But no, I mean, like I said, I was competing almost as a hobby. I was putting a lot of effort into it obviously but I was still like all right I need to get a career I need to graduate school and I need to like have a future from myself and then I think in 2019 that was the year our no sorry 28 the first year I came second I was like went from amateur winning a pro show to come second at the Olympia all in a year and I was like okay like clearly I've proven to myself I'm willing to put in the work and discipline to this and there's a future for me and I started to get sponsors opportunities to travel and school would be waiting for me but I couldn't balance both at this point so I just

decided i've made it this far juggling both time to drop one put everything in the bodybuilding and see where it takes me you said you had sponsors like how much were you like kind of making at that time while you're in college it's funny and i always say this because like probably the richest i've ever felt in my life with my first sponsorship i ever got i was getting paid $2,200 a month that's like lit when you get it oh my god yeah because you're like i'm getting this money for doing what i love i remember going to the club and buying one my friends drinks thinking i was a baller because i had two grand in my pocket who was your first sponsor that pick you up uh the supplement company called MHP.

Nice. Yeah. What do you get if you win Mr. Olympia? I got 50 Gs last year. Seems kind of light. You don't make money off competing, that's for sure. But it just opens more doors, right? If you utilize it properly, you can open more doors.

And if you build your own brand, you kind of have to do the work on the outside and like either build your own brand, sponsorships or build your own companies. So competing open Mr. Olympia gets like 400 grand if you win. But I mean, that's a whole. lot but that's one guy and the whole everyone who bodybuilds you know let's let's talk about that a little bit do you think that because i mean i mean even arnold's talked about this like a lot of people are also saying this and it's to no disrespect to open bodybuilding because what it takes to get to that level is so insane but do you think over the next like five years it's going to shift

where classic is just bodybuilding because it seems like they're going in that direction it's hard to say if it'll ever like replace it but but maybe not just maybe not just replace it but maybe not just replaced because it probably still have it. I don't know, though, because it seems like it's going away, but the money, I think the money's going to go to classic. It's really hard to say because right now it's like so like old school, you know? Like no one like, let's say like talking about the ownership. Yeah, the ownership is very like old school and every and the hardcore fans of bodybuilding are like bodybuilding fans. The people who show up and buy tickets are different than the average people on social media. Most people on social media aren't going

to the Olympian buying tickets. So I think they kind of still have a struggle with. all that but i do think going forward that they'll definitely even out at some point i don't know if they'll maybe even start judging bodybuilding to start bringing them down in size and stop reporting the bigger guys you know like well balance it out somehow but you're kind of like the you're like you're kind of like a gym bro influencer right like you're not a real like gym bro like compete i don't no i don't compete there's two different lanes right exactly yeah yeah here trying to like chirp me because he's just thinking that's no i'm just trying to process and relate wow yeah no Because we were on the car ride over here, and you're like, bro, I'm going to go at you so hard.

I didn't say that once. Whatever, man. I didn't say that. That wasn't it. He competes in classic physique, dude. Is that what you wanted to know? No, I'm just trying to follow along. Okay.

All right. You follow on here? Sorry, bro. Yeah, yeah. But how do you know when people, like, it seems like there's a lot more people that are trying to be, like, the gym bro influencers rather than, like, the gym bro influencers rather than, like, the real competitor, gym bro. What's the question? Like, it seems like everyone's just lifting now to be, like, a gym bro influencer. Yeah.

Like, they don't really care about the competing stuff. Is that, would you say that's true? I mean, more people definitely train to train and not compete. And I don't think there necessarily something wrong with that. I think seeking fame isn't necessarily the best avenue of life. But, I mean, I think we'd see a lot of shift in our culture lately of a lot of people who kind of like, who love the gym go after. And I think that's a more positive thing to put their energy into than a lot of other shit they could be doing, you know? Which one are you going for?

I don't think I can compete. Maybe we should get standing on stage in 2024. I'll do it one time, maybe. Did you ever get on stage? I think about it sometimes. You've never done it? I've done it back in a day. I did men's physique when it first came out, 2011.

Maybe this should be a bet you two have to go against each other at a show. Against him? They got to create a barrel section from Mr. Olympia. No, I don't want to compete against you. Compete against him? Dude. Different head crosses, but you know.

Yeah. What's the hardest part about like prepping? Oh, that's a cliche question probably, but. I mean, like, realistically the diet, you know, sticking to a diet for so long and like being so hungry and training hard over an extended period of time being that restricted is hard but it's something that i've kind of shifted my mind on more so of like a instead of i have to do this i get to do this kind of thing like it's an opportunity where i'm grateful for all it gives me and it's a fun ride and the progress i see is like sat is like fulfilling so it's not horrible but i think recently

the hardest thing i've always have to deal with now is like when i was winning as like an or coming up as an underdog and wanting to win it was no pressure on you it's like hopefully Chris does better this year. You know, this, that. And then you win one. And it's like, oh, is he going to win next year? Like, did he deserve to win? Like, is he going to prove it?

And then you went again and again and again. And like, okay, now there's this like this vision that people have of you. They look at you differently than who just like Chris Bum said. Now you're like four time Mr. Olympia and this is this extra pressure. And not like letting yourself, not letting that get into your mind and still training the same way you did before you over one and having that. And having that just like not letting that see, seep into your mind.

Mentally is just tough. and I think you see a lot of people like get to the top of a sport or some kind of category and win something and then just fall off. It's really hard to stay at the top and maintain because you start doing it for the wrong reason. You start doing it because of other people in your mind and shit rather than doing what got you there, you know? That's crazy.

A lot of influencers and famous people do this shit too. It's like, I'm here now. So I need to be different now that I'm famous. It's like, well, what got you there? Just being yourself, you know? So like, why change that, you know? Damn. How do you deal with that?

Like, do you see like a lot? Is it like Instagram comments that like people are saying that? shit like i mean i think the biggest thing that i'm super grateful for that is either luck or whatever to me is my circle like the people around me like my good friends matt calvin my family my sister brother-in-law parents they've all like been with me from the beginning to the end never treated me differently and probably slap me if i started acting different so i just have really good people around me and you know you are who you're surround yourself with and i've always just had this mindset kind of from my parents that like no one can kind of add to your like character

or take away from it. So if people are giving me positive shit on it, it's beautiful, I'm grateful, but they don't know who I am. It's not making me a better person. So when positivity comes, I don't really let that get to me and when negativity comes,

they try not to as well. So I just kind of let it all be like fluid information that's out there and then I only really care about the opinion of people close to me who know me. That's good point. I heard a negative shade

that you could get though. What's any negative shade that people would like throw at you? People will find some shit always. It's the fucking internet. I heard that. I know. I know.

Everyone loves you, bro. I feel like a, face of the gym rose right now i mean i for sure i have a lot of love and respect and i think partly because i've also been able to make fun of myself with shit but every now and then there's some shit but yeah whatever anything too bad how long do you plan to do this for compete not not internet shit compete it's a great question because i really don't know yeah and it's part of the thing when i was talking about my health and i had to kind of like let go of the control of being like i need to be healthy or i want this many or that because the fact is i don't know i want one more at

least. Yeah. And then after that, if I'm healthy and I'm enjoying it, I will probably want one more. But all I can really focus on, because I don't know that far in the future, is just the one. Is this one more? Yeah, I get it. And thinking too far ahead of like, okay, I want eight, that's like a big goal to start overcome versus being like, like, I just got do this one more time. And I just keep my focus on what I got to do right now. And then I keep moving forward with that. And then after that, I'll make another decision if I want to do again. What's it look like when, when the competition's coming up? Like, do you lock in like super strict for three months before? Like, do you trade like, like, like, I look at it as like a

fight like two guys are about to box like three months before you really have to lock in or you just always you're like dino now he's fucking do you know it looks crazy yeah no yeah it's pretty it's probably very similar to that yeah it's we call it prep in bodybuilding and you start at however many weeks out i usually do 16 weeks so like four months or whatever that is what do you change during that 16 weeks i mean so i eat pretty clean all year but it's like you know if at night i want a burrito with like chicken and rice in it versus just a meal of chicken rice or whatever or I want to go out and eat something with my girl or do something I'm more relaxed with it but when prep comes it's like I'm on a meal plan eating the same thing every day and it

doesn't change just slowly take food out I'm doing cardio consistently the same amount of times every week just variables are very consistent so I know whatever I change it results in change in my body how are you so disciplined yeah like seriously because me like I feel like I work out a lot but for me it's just the diet like I just get mentally weak like he's fucking Mr. Olympia no but I know but yeah what I'm saying my wife my wife But what's the mental, like, what's the, because it's all mental, like, I know, how do you stay? It's tough. I don't know.

If there's anything you can say, like, what's, is there any secret to like that mental discipline or any tricks or like? I mean, I love this question. What I said is. I love it. Like, you were munch on the wagu dumplings at. Yeah. Yeah. I was doing, bro.

You were. You were. No, but he cheats all the time, Loki. I'm not trying to call you. But you do. I cheat. I do. I'm not fucking miss our Olympia, bro.

Like yesterday, like, yesterday we're on the plane. The fucking Italian comes out, pasta, chicken farm. You say pasta? Pasta. Wow. I saw all Canadians say pasta. No, I say pasta. Pasta.

You say pasta? I say pasta and everyone gets mad at me if you're saying that. Oh, Jimmy says it like that. Pasta? Yeah. Really? I feel like you said it like that before. Maybe I'd probably mix it up.

Maybe converted. Maybe. Not fully. Not fully. Jeez, bud. Spent too much time. What about the night after you win? Do you like go party or have a huge sheet meal?

I've honestly never partied after a show. Really? My family's all in town. And we come back and I usually honestly, like, drink some water and eat something clean, hang out with my, like, close eight group of people, eight group of friends that are there and family, and then go to bed and chill. Because you normally don't feel so hot, you know? You're so dehydrated, starve yourself for so long.

Honestly, I just want to like be around my close family, celebrate like that. And then kind of rest and relax. Right. I feel like if you were disciplined, this could have been you, man. Dude, you were a little more disciplined. You could be sitting right here, bro. Dude, I'm not here. I'm here for different reasons, man.

Jesus Christ. What the fuck is this? I told you. The whole plan is coming here is like, I'm going to chirp. you the whole time. He's just thinking how he can tell you for it though. I just like to compare bro because you're both like fucking big dudes. Before you really got into this like bodybuilding training like did you ever like party? Did you ever go crazy? I did I partied a lot. Yeah. And then you're in. Del. Yeah. Dal is a party school. And then you were just like what was a switch

where you were like, yo, I'm going to do this shit. That's the. It was it was that year when I said I decided to pull out of school and be like, all right, I'm diving in. Because when I was going to school, it was actually pretty funny. In Canada, all the shows are at the end of summer. So I would go to school, pretty much just party all year, like three times a week, and then try and work out where I could. And when you're young, you can go to the gym hung over and hit PRs. Like, it doesn't affect you. Yeah.

So I would do that. And then when summer would come, I wouldn't drink for four months. And I would just prep for a show. And that was when I was amateur. So I was competing as an amateur kind of climbing the ranks like that. And then I doing that system, I've made it to be a, I got my pro card. And then when I got my pro card, I was like, all right, I'm going to pull back and parting a little bit, maybe go out once a week instead of three times and like focus more

on like my off season actually and then that year i want a pro show and i was like okay fuck like let's actually dive in and see where i can take this if i have a full year every year of complete consistency did you start to lose friends when you were like i'm gonna take this serious i wouldn't say a lost friends definitely started to disconnect a little bit because like you just can't write quite as much you know my i remember like constantly being in my room our house was always like the pre-drink house because we were in like a six-story big house was like our dinner table with a beer pong table like all this typical bullshit okay they'd all be down there pre-drinking and i'd be just like chilling waiting for them to leave to eat a meal and go to bed.

Take show up at 4 a.m. wake me up and then I'd be up at like 8 a.m. They'd be waking up at 12 and it's just like we started to drift apart a bit but I mean we're still friends this day but a lot of them still live that lifestyle and I just stopped so we obviously chilled apart a little bit but you're jacked in their fat probably. Fuck. Some of them are actually in pretty crazy shape somehow. I don't even know how he's jacked in their fat probably. Yeah. Yeah. What's it like or how important is it to have like your woman in your life when you compete? Like is she really is she really helpful?

Like, how is that dynamic? Huge. Like, absolutely huge. Yeah. And I, it's slowly built more and more over the years. And the thing I was talking about the difficult part of the mindset and the pressure and shit, she's someone who definitely like always keeps me ground. Yeah.

It's no matter. She was with, we met in 2018 before everyone. Yeah. And she's been with me for every show of everyone. So she's seen the progression. And she's like, so she can be like, she's like my base, my rock of like, all right. Like this is where we've been together from the beginning. Like bring it back down.

This is all that matters right here. like this is just normal life just to have the gym do your things beautiful i feel like she helps a lot i feel like you have to have a girl to do it's way too distracting you can't be chasing pussy during crap though no lots of bodybuilders especially back in the day they used to travel a lot more for during prep though oh yeah fuck yeah man like like going out to the bar because that's when they're like they're like you know body of just tequila and like a molly and shit because you know zero calorie you actually probably burn a shit ton of calories really and they used to party hard back in the day what molly at the bar to burn extra calories

have you ever done any recreational drugs when i was younger yeah which ones he's trying to get you to say shroom so he can do this at one-on-one 15-minute bro i'm just curious i'm just curious don't say my true not just curious what about do you like journal or do any of that you don't get on this shit right don't get on this shit i don't know okay now go ahead do you have like something where you just want to like have affirmations or lock in and escape reality I don't really have like short term long term goals or shit I set up like that but I definitely I journal to like an extent I do like when I listen to a lot of podcasts and audiobooks I have a long drive or what I'm doing cardio whatever and when there's like a concept that hits my mind and being like and it's usually all mindset shit like you know high up like athletic trainers or therapists who go over like performance and shit and then if I hear something that hits me I kind of like write it down and I try and like write something where like I'm what I'm feeling in it and understanding it and I think over the years that's definitely helped me develop. my mindset to kind of like keep a sane mind so you're trying to fucking troll me you guys are kind of similar that's right good shit that's what i'm talking about yeah he's a big journalist

he was trying to truly when he's wearing glasses but yeah of course i should have brought the glasses i should have brought the glasses man i just i fucked up that's what i'm missing i need what what do you think spend your biggest obstacle to win or like have you ever had like a like have you ever wanted to quit or just be like yo i'm over this shit sounds like the autoimmune disease probably the what your their issue is probably the reason why your biggest obstacle yeah my health definitely i have many times been in the middle of prep and felt shitty or like scared or something and i'm like why the fuck am i doing this to my body like is it going to be worth it if i'm hurting myself and i kind of like build like a bit of a shame like victim's that mentality of like why

me and all this shit but again it's just constantly bringing myself to the fact of like doing all the health checkups i can to make sure i'm as conscious and aware of what's going on in my body so i'm not like worrying and creating fear and then understanding that no matter what we can get sick so if i'm going to choose to do this i'm going to choose to enjoy it and be here but it's every year it's a battle i'm not like perfect with that i and i think one of the big things where i've said before where people like heard it and like hit home like listening when i won the last 20 21 olympia or something i like straight up i don't know why but i won the olympian i felt like i had to share this on like my speech afterwards i was like six weeks out i was crying on the

bathroom floor with my fiancee literally like wanting to quit be like why the fuck am i doing this like i can't do this anymore i'm done you know And she, my fiance gave me a huge pep talk, like Tim Grovered my ass and got me in shape. And in fact, everyone has those days when you're trying really hard and putting a lot of effort in something that eventually you're just going to feel overwhelmed. And it's fucking normal. You know, everyone's going to want to quit at some points. The whole point of that you don't, though, you know. It's whether you break in those moments or not.

Exactly. What was that, what was that moment, though, in the bathroom? What was the thing that was holding you back? Like, what was the issue that you were like, I'm going to quit? A bit of the, a bit of the pressure of like the thing. I feel like I have to do this people. I have to win. As soon do you have that.

It's this concept of like a lot of people have this idea where if you want to be a champion because a lot of people speak like this, you like can't be okay with losing. You know, don't even think about losing. Losing is the devil. Like fuck it. And I've had to understand like one of the most important parts of winning is being okay with losing because it takes you out of that state of reaction. When you're in fear of something, you're in a state of reaction of not wanting it to happen.

It fucked everything up. And then it just, you just don't feel good. you're like avoiding something you're living in lack rather than like abundance you're avoiding instead of searching for something it's just completely different feeling inside of you yeah and i was in that feeling of avoidance of not wanting to get sick not wanting to lose all that pressure not being more like grateful of this opportunity i have of chasing something that i love damn i feel that and just like battling that at one point and my fiance just like whatever she fucking put in my head i can't remember i wish i knew exactly what she said but she like was reiterating shit that

i've said and spoken to her about and just put it in me at the moment i needed it and i was like fuck like yeah you're right like stop being a little bitch right now get your shit together and get back to work i saw you did you tear your bicep also before your last win yeah like three days before the olympia last year holy shit yeah walk us through that or like what happened there the worst thing is and everyone kept asking me i have no idea how it even happened it like my arm hurt on like the wednesday before thursday it hurt more friday it was kind of swollen and in saturday morning the morning of the show you get up like 5 a m and my arm was like red and swollen and it wasn't horrible it was a partial tear it was a partial tear and it didn't look that bad but when you're

like training that hard for something and like chasing this unattainable perfection and then you have this blatant flaw like i couldn't get my mind off it i was just like worried and stress about it and i honestly went back into that like why me like victim kind of mindset and i was just like fuck why does it happen the day all this shit and then and again one of those moments where like life presents you with battles where you need to like learn to grow the other grow or die and my coach this time actually came up to me and I got off stage and I was in the center I still looked really good I was probably going to win but I was like anxious and only thinking about my arm I didn't have the confidence of a champion up there and he came up to me he looked at me like what the

fuck are you doing and I was like what do you mean like what the fuck's wrong with you and I was like I don't know like what do you what are you talking about he's like smile up there man like relax like own it you're the champion like bring that confidence like fuck you're on what are you going to do about it and it was just like woke me up I was like it's so right this is one of those moments where like what's in your control what's not in your control i can't heal my arm right now i'm literally simply on stage in 30 seconds i can't fix it what can i do i can stand up there with confidence and if i pose properly and display my confidence people are going to see that more than my arm and that's going to help avoid it at some point and i'm also going to be able to enjoy

it more because i've worked hard for this and i still deserve to enjoy this moment so it was a battle and even again and the night show got in my head he kind of got back in my head again but it was another one of those things where like like i said life presents you a thing where you need to grow i had learned how to handle pretty well my health stuff over the length of prep but now it was this like immediate thing on the day of the show i now had to handle and it i mean now i'm grateful for it i got through it and you know it's a good story with a battle i got through and now i feel like i've been through a lot of shit throughout my preps where i feel like i go into the next one i'm like what the fuck it happened worth now you know i've gone sick in one been in the hospital i tore my

hamstring in one tore my bicep in this one like what could happen next Knock on wood. Yeah. I'll be ready for it when it comes. For like some of the gym bros or some people that are watching that might not be in the gym, like how do they judge? How do they even judge? Yeah, I was wondering that.

How do they judge? Like, yeah, how do they judge? And like when you say like, oh, I know I'm going to win. Like, is that just because you're like looking at the other guys and shit? And you're like, I didn't like, I didn't really know I was going to win, but people kind of like, like you got this. But it's, I mean, it's a lot of different things. It's how lean you are, body fat percentage, symmetry.

like up to down side to side how big your legs are versus your upper body how each arm is like comparative and like overall size how small your waist is and it's different per division like open bodybuilding the huge guys it's more so mass and that's a lot of it and then in my division classic fatigue it's more aesthetics so it's more of having a small waist with big lats and big legs kind of like that x frame so the more like x frame you have and it's kind of like you look at 90's bodybuilders versus now and that kind of you can just tell the aesthetics you know a little prettier look that's more important in mind and then who's leaner who's bigger and who's got the best how competitive is the competition with you it's i mean it's very like like when you see the same

guys and they're just like like is there any animosity between competitors oh like that honestly no which which is wild i think in some divisions there but classic physique is like the most like brotherhood of a division people are so kind and nice like the one dude who came second last year romone dino yeah talking about crazy athletes from brazil can't speak a look of English. But he's like the nicest guy ever. He won the Olympia last year and he couldn't speak English. So he's just like, shit's crazy. My man, shit's crazy. I'm talking to Arnold. And he was just like, it was just a joy on his face. And he talks to me and he has a lot of respect for me. We've like worked out together and we couldn't speak. But it was like, you could just tell he like

respected everything I was doing with watching what I was doing. It was like really like conscious of it. So it's, I'm super lucky to be in division where everyone's like kind. But sometimes the league tries to create animosity between us to create like a bit of a storyline. like you're seeing kind of shit but like none of us are like that'd be funny if there was like some shit talking there is a men's physique yeah so division yeah speaking of arnold okay yeah you went back in the day i had to ask this question you went back in a day you were competing against arnold back in the day where would you stack up where do you think you'd stack up it's a tough question because i think if what's the winner's mentality because hold on bro you're

a winner hold on hold on no you're a winner dude come on but but what's your body weight on stage on What was his body weight on stage? Like 240-ish. What was his height? 6-1. What's your height? 6-1. So who's winning this shit?

It's really hard to say because back then people weren't as lean. If I went back looking at that... You would have been too lean. I'd be the leanest person they've ever seen. They wouldn't even know what the fuck's going on. So I don't know if they would even want that. So maybe he would win because of that. But if he were to come today and compete against me in last year at the Olympia,

I think I would beat him because he's not in shape enough. You know, he was. I see. But like, it's like sports progress. you know everything progresses whereas back in the day 90s NBA players used to drink beer at half time now they're like having fucking IVs putting in them and like B shots and like all this shit just like perform at the highest level like time's change you know what's year in arnold's relationship like very is he like a mentor not really no i've talked to him like once kind of for like a short

conversation but he's pretty like he's a busy man you know i really never see him or talk to him at all oh damn how do you feel about those comparisons i mean it's an honor yeah sure like he's an absolute goat you know and i don't think i would ever replace him as a goat in bodybuilding because some people talk about that because i don't think you can compare the impact he's had on the sport you know and when we talked about like the prize money in class if you can shit like yeah i don't want to be the guy complaining saying i deserve it i want to be the guy performing on stage and off stage to bring it to the you will i think you will to make it worth it you are ready like arnold never bished about prize money he went out he went to hollywood he did all this

shit and he made bodybuilding like mainstream for a while purely because of who he was you know he made bodybuilding in the 90s which is absolutely insane you know that's like what a that's greatness you know that's kind of like why we're here i'm curious about that that question too now is like are you uh like when you first started this who were your the people that you were looking towards was it like arnold ronnie like what was that era that you were watching you're like oh i really like this and like what got you really into it i genuinely i didn't get in a bodybuilding because of bodybuilding okay i just played sports and love training okay I just love going into a gym and pushing myself and trying to get strong.

I didn't have like bodybuilding magazines or anything when I was young. When I started to get into it more, it was mainly because of my brother-in-law was a bodybuilder. And he was in terms of bodybuilding world, he's the guy I looked up to because to this day, as many pros as I've met, he's like the strongest, hardest, training, most disciplined guy out of all of them.

And that was like my like standard, you know? My gym bro was like this fucking freak, strong motherfucker who I was always chasing after. And it made me push myself. but I never really looked up to a bodybuilder, really. So I got really, based on, because I know you've always, you haven't been like, you're not a weak bodybuilder, right? I'm not saying all bodybuilders are weak. Obviously, there's a lot of strong ones.

There's ones that are a lot stronger in the history of bodybuilding. But would you attribute like your success, your size, like your condition, like your body to the fact that you didn't just train like as, seemingly as not just as a bodybuilder. Like you've trained for strength. You seem like maybe not like your number one focus, but it seems like you've always included trying to be strong in your programs and it's obviously translated for sure yeah and i mean that again that's because of my brother-in-law yeah like when we started training he was benching 500 pounds on incline bench press like it was nothing so i was always like fuck i got to push myself to be close to

that so that definitely helped a lot and i think i would still get where i was going to go but i think i got there quicker and my advantage when i was young if i always had like muscle maturity you talk about like a density yeah i always had that way ahead of most people because i trained and push myself further and harder than a lot of people through, like, moving weight, you know? Yeah. So I think that really helped me get to, like, that muscle maturity standpoint, like, a lot quicker than most. And then I was able to build from there.

So I think that's why, like, 24, I looked like a lot older, you know. Yeah. I saw something where it said that you played multiple sports. I think in high school maybe, right? Yeah. So, like, what's your athleticism like outside of bodybuilding? I was very athletic, but I wasn't very gifted and, like, I had shit. like I played hockey, no stick handling.

No hands. Brutal hands? Brutal hands. Brutal hands. I had bricks, you know? Anything. What else besides hockey? Football or?

I played hockey when I was younger and I stopped because my hands were so bad. I played football, basketball on track. Track I was good at because I didn't need coordination really. But I could jump really high. Like I was like 511, 220 in high school and I could dunk in like grade down. Yeah. I'll give you that. Give me what.

You don't get the Lakers. We've seen the clip. I could jump easy, bro. Yeah. But I could like run fast and jump. But I would. I wasn't like, like I played basketball and I was like an enforcer. Why are you trying to compare us?

What do you mean? You guys are like one and the same kind of, but he's fucking four time. I'm fucking God. He's fucking C-Bomb baby. Yeah, okay. Yeah. Thank you so much. Yeah.

Fucking asshole. What about like PRs? Let's talk PRs. What's your PR on the press? Let's talk. Wait, if you want to fucking compare, we'll compare. Dude, I got to take a piss. He's probably stronger than me honestly.

Brad's pretty fucking strong. Why are you a hater? I'm not a hater. I'm trying to understand the fucking lifestyle. I don't get it, man. He's classic Olympia fucking like, what do you mean? Well, I just want to know what PERS are. What's wrong with that?

I don't know. What is your PR on the bench? On bench, bench is brutal. It's like 435, 435. Bro, I'm not playing this game right now. I bench more than that. I mean, it's not. I've seen him lift like more than pretty much all my lifts.

I'm not playing this game. It's not about me and how much you bench, Brad? I benched more than that, okay? It's fine. I'm not, we're not playing this game. I'm not here to do this. I'm not going to be offended. Because there are in the internet they're going to be like,

I'm not a firelifting. I'm not trying to disrespect a guy, dude. You're being an asshole. That's not being disrespect. He's trying to learn, bro. What are you trying to learn? I just want to see, like, Mr. Olympian, influencer gym, bro. Like, what's the difference between lifting shit?

Okay. How come you even opened a gym? Have you ever thought about that? I like privacy. Honestly, we're working on building a gym right now, and no one's allowed in it. I'm just building a private gym for myself and my, like, friends and family. And I just, like, I want to be alone when I train, you know? When you walk into a gym, you're,

like a or like lifting gym is it just crazy something it can be for sure like a gym gym a gym yeah because because i'm like very niche of like in the training world like you guys probably can't go anywhere anymore but you probably can't even go to a grocery store eh yeah bars are like 18 to 30 males yeah 18 to 30 males but even even for me because they're not coming for my physique but like same thing yeah but exactly like and when I go to the gym though that's like my job you know so it's like every time you're trying to film someone's like running and ruining you're like so I just really would like a gym where no one can fuck even for me if I'm trying to work out I think that's the worst place to like

not that I won't take a photo but like after the workout like you're just trying to like let me clear your mind workout and shit it's like the worst place bro yeah I don't know how you do that dude the classic is like I'm not trying to bug you but I'm going to ask you yeah every time I don't I don't interrupt your workout but I always tell people I'm like just ask me because like it's so clear that i'm not trying to bug you just do it i don't care i'm here if i wasn't honestly because like you know separating yourself is gonna is gonna help you like immensely with your clarity but if i'm gonna go to a commercial gym i expect someone to come up and probably say something for sure yeah so i just like fuck it otherwise i wouldn't be there yeah you know so i know what

i'm walking into has has anyone i ever interrupted you like mid set either of you oh yeah warming up yeah oh yeah never like dying crazy that's fucking you've lost your temper it's a real question no i've thrown some sarcastic comments and i felt bad like someone i would literally warming up a few weeks ago or a month ago and someone came up to me like I don't mean to interrupt you but I'm like but that's exactly what you're doing yeah I did that two days ago I'm like fuck I'm sorry I'm just joking like shatter picture and I think a picture then you step back and they're like yo they've been watching for so long like you don't know how to act in the moment when you meet someone because I troll people I feel bad but I'm always nice right after but do you ever say

do they ever go are you Chris Bumstead and you go no always I'm like people come up to me like are you Chris Bumstead I'm like I get that all the time man like no like I People always say I look like him. I do that shit all the time. I usually walk away and then they're like, I'm kidding. I'm sorry. Yeah, that's fucking funny, dude. We do that all the time.

You got to make fun with it. You know, if it's happening. You got to find your own enjoyment. It's good. What was that meme that you like chirped like calling someone like a skinny bitch or some shit? Oh, like, is it a single meme you mean? I think, I don't even know.

I don't know exactly. I always jokingly call myself a skinny bitch. And now like I go place on it and they literally before even ask for a picture. They're like, can you hold my camera and call me a skinny. bitch or can you call my mom a skinny bitch you know like random shit i'm like not your mom i've said what you called somebody a skinny bitch one time i call myself that usually oh oh i don't know why it just popped off you know we made t-shirts like don't be a skinny bitch and they like is is so mo really cheating yeah all right is what you know it is yeah it is it really is i can't

we can't hear you sumo deadlifting what is like what is that like power lifting though just yeah that is just in general in general it's just so easy dude oh it's so easy it's the big like controversy in the that's like a wide stance yeah you know conventional versus like sumo uh yeah so it's easier to lift i think it's easier is it still good for gains though yeah okay kind of okay it depends what yeah depends what your game is just to lift more what's like your biggest like pet peeve in the gym like if you see someone doing or like hey so what did you want to talk about well i want to tell you about wagovi wagovi Yeah, Wagovi.

What about it? On second thought, I might not be the right person to tell you. Oh, you're not? No, just ask your doctor about Wagovi. Yeah, ask for it by name. Okay, so why did you bring me to the circus? Oh, I'm really into lion tamers. You know, with the chair and everything.

Ask your doctor for Wagovi by name. Visit wagovi.comi.com for savings. Exclusions may apply. That's a good question. I like that question. Like, what's the don'ts in the gym? Like, sumo, that's. Like if you see a guy doing suma, you're like, that guy's dust or what?

I mean, I try not to judge too much. People ask. In your head, though. In my head, yeah, I don't put that out. I think I, what, just because we went to the gym and it was so bad there is people training with their shirts off when they're sweaty as fuck, like just completely tarps off, like lying on a bench, covering sweat. It's just like, and people who shouldn't have their shirts off.

You just don't want to see that, you know. So shirts should stay on in the gym. I think so, yeah. Okay. What else? That's a big statement. Yeah. You sure you're going to back that?

I don't take my shirt off in the gym. There you go. Maybe you go with my own gym. What about like texters in the gym? If they're on the machine I want, it's annoying, yeah. But if they're somewhere on the car. That's you. What the fuck?

Like you're like a chest fly guy. Bro, when I'm in there, I'm working. I'm like eight reps and then sit on the bench. I am working, fam. We worked out today. This guy does one set. He dips off and he's on the phone. Dude, that's you, bro.

You're fucking caping right now. What? Yeah. You were there. You were pretty lazy, bro. Oh my God. That's crazy. like here and there like between like he'll be on phone calls dude full on phone calls yeah man

now you gotta stop dude talk about taking serious i want you take it serious come on what's your biggest pet peeve in the gym oh like people do or that happens to me that people do damn honestly i think it's just like it's the classic like wasting the squat rack like if someone's doing something like really it's like menial in the squat rack not squatting but being in the squat rack is like just pretty fucking annoying if i'm being honest Like, if they're in there doing something silly, like, I just want them to squat. You know, that's it. Nothing crazy.

What about you? What's your biggest pet peeve in the gym? I don't know. I was trying to think. Why's that funny when you ask him? No, it's just different. Like a normal guy, you can't have an opinion? No, dude.

I don't know why you're always attacking me. It's like kind of, it's, like, do people, are you people used to you there? Or is it like even worse because they come to see you? There's regulars. But yeah, it is like, every day people are like, you know, can I come take a photo? But I think, yeah, exactly, because it's become a gym that a lot of people go to. But if I'm, like, training for the most part and I'm like just kind of locked in, like, people get it and they'll kind of wait. Some, some kids won't.

But I'll just, I just do my best to be like, oh, as soon as I'm done, which some people don't like. Some people get mad to be honest. Yeah, for sure. What about your, what about your like getting pissed off playlist? I got to get a fucking huge lift in. By getting pissed off playlist? Yeah. You definitely have a song.

Yeah, number one song. But I have a playlist called Big Boy Jim. Okay, what's on there? I don't want to be a big boy. What's on there? What's included in that? Motley crew, Black Sabbath. Oh, let's fucking go.

So all rock. Fuck yeah. It's mainly rock, yeah. Fuck yeah. My girl listens is a hardcore rap, just pure gangster rap. And I'm more of like an old white man. How long have you been with your girl? It'll be five years in September.

She's from Canada, too? No, she's from Illinois. Okay. She a gym, like gym girl? Yeah. She can beat it. She won the Olympia 2 in 2016. Yeah.

Oh, my God. Yeah. So it's going to, you got a date in the gym when you're at that level. And I honestly didn't really want to, but she's very different than a typical gym girl. Like she's not like self-centered around her body or anything like that. She's like a very wholesome like good Midwestern girl. Damn. I feel like Jim girls.

Jim girls are hard to find a new wave, bro. I'm telling you right now. Hard to find ones that aren't just. Muzzle mommies are the new thing. Yeah. Have you heard of it? Tell us about it what? Gritch is like Jack girls.

Muscle mous. Jack girls are like stocks going way up. They put their phone on the ground and like take up. upward pictures of them like flexing and shit it's like the new rave apparently why don't all the fitness girls call you what do they call you daddy or what that's the guys that's the guys guys but daddy yeah i don't know why daddy so i call them not all of them but a fair amount i've had people literally come up to me and be like daddy and i'm like please don't like it's really uncomfortable have a grown man call you daddy to your face a comment did one thing you can ignore it but yeah that's

i would call gave daddy the other night when you were him mood, bro. That's different. I wouldn't say that to like a straight guy. What? Does that make it better? I don't know if that makes it better. Bro, whatever. Okay. No, I'm, yeah. I'm buying that. All right, let's move on from that. Oh, we're ready to go on. I get it all into that.

You're ready to the next one? It's not weird. It's not weird. I don't judge. I don't judge. Dude, honestly, I got a piss so bad right now. Wait, yo, see, I'm going to ask. Take a run. Okay, I'm going to be right back. Sebum, what's, what's the ultimate goal then? So let's say you do in one more Mr. Olympian, then what do you do? Like, do you just lift or take this seriously for?

the rest of your life? No. I mean, I love what I'm doing right now, but it takes a toll on the body for sure. I want to win like another one or two Olympies at least, depending how I feel after that, take on the next part of my life. But like, not to sound like cheesy, but I think like the ultimate thing I'm looking forward to at the next stage of my life is being a father. Wow. I think I've like learned a lot of great like mental stuff through bodybuilding and not like hardcore like competitiveness, but like actually like relieving pressure of the self and be able to be your authentic self and all this shit. And I think I would have, like, I'm excited and hopeful and grateful for the opportunity

to, like, teach a younger generation that, you know? What do you think it is about? Because Brad actually has this, too, like, gym bro's, like, you guys are very, like, just calm, relaxed and, like, very into, like, until they're pissed. But, yeah, until you guys get pissed off and he piss them off. But, like, starting a family, like, is that, like, a thing? I don't know, maybe. Maybe you just release all your pent-up energy at the gym.

The amount of times Brad says he just wanted to be a father on this podcast, it'd be in the hundreds, bro. Really? Yeah. Like, I don't know what that is. That's a common trend or not. Maybe, I don't know. We're going to have to figure that one out. I've never heard other Jim Bro say that.

What other businesses? Tell us about your other businesses that you make money like outside, obviously the prize money. Yeah, so that's kind of like, that's the next goal, probably the next stage officially after bodybuilding. And that's why I moved to the States, raw nutrition, my supplement company. I have two partners down here in Florida and our warehouse is down here. So we moved down here to kind of start that and pop that off. And I was kind of like... So that's supplements?

Yeah, it's like sports supplements, protein, pre-workout, all that kind of stuff. And that was our thing. So mad about the name. I'm so mad. Not kidding. He told our name. Bro, what? Oh, shit.

Get the fuck out of here. What did you say? He's jealous of the name. He's jealous of the name. Oh, I'm so mad about that name. Is there like a trademark war going on right now? No, no, no, no. I'm just kind about it.

We're not going to sue him yet. We're so pressed about that name. Who had the whole raw thing first. I'm so pressed. is that a thing or no that's interesting I'm kidding because that's like the same category like fitness I feel like you're kind of trying to be like the raw guy

of the states and you're trying to be the raw guy of Canada which I get except now I've infiltrated down the states too were you gonna call your supplement line that yes but you couldn't I was waiting I'm so mad about it trademarked it I'm so mad about it God I even told fucking whatever

it doesn't matter it doesn't matter I love it for you talk to Donald about it yes I talk to yeah of course I love it for you appreciate it yeah it's amazing fucking that's great for you what wrongs it's just kind of coincidence i don't know yeah yeah i didn't pick the name so i can't blame me on that one what else do you have outside of raw nutrition uh yeah so we have raw nutrition i have like a training app we do some merch just kind of like

typical stuff and we play a lot off kind of my name and even in the supplements we play off my list like our pre-workouts called thavage because i accidentally said thavage once because my list came out and then we have like isolate instead of isolate that's the hoaxil it that's the hoax playing off oh like i used to get made fun of them for my list especially when i started social i'm not making fun of you anymore they're not making fun of you anymore they do sometimes yeah really what the one of the roast i used to get that i sound like a deaf mentally challenged person when i speak yeah that when i was when i was young that guy's fucking dead i was pretty fucking quiet introverted and i still have like anxiety doing like public speaking now and i think

a lot of that honestly came from when i was young getting bullied from my list so like starting to put yourself on social meeting getting roasted for how you sound and everyone knows when you first cure yourself back in a video you're like cringing like oh my god i sound so fucking stupid so i had to overcome that for a while and then we just owned it through it on t-shirts on pre-workouts and people loved it i have a question um obviously the business stuff i i'm assuming you're getting more and more involved in that stuff as you like go through your career uh what do you enjoy outside of business outside of bodybuilding like what do you do or is your life just literally that it's definitely been so much of that now it's hard for me to like build like a hobby

hobbies still take a lot of time to put into it and gym started out of my hobby so I still kind of hate the like that's still my outlet you know when I go to the gym I can still feel peace and relax from it

but honestly I travel a lot now as I'm sure you guys do and there's just so much going on that like it's nice to just sit at home and do nothing with my girl my dog and watch TV you know I can't imagine how much you guys travel I'm sure being home sometimes

than just like sitting on your couch you're just like I don't want to do anything yeah traveling just like you don't have any hobbies outside of this you have to have something I just asked him when I can

He didn't answer He said traveling He just answered I don't golf or no He didn't say snowboarding when you asked him Sorry I'm sorry You got it dude

You got it You got it Chill the fuck out right now Oh my bad Sorry I'm sorry I'm gonna be pissed off Go ahead I'm sorry yeah

I don't want to piss you I've been on trend So He said you know what he's been saying The whole time Before we came here He's like Bro I'm gonna fucking

Inject myself With Trent on this podcast live I was like you shouldn't do that I was like you should not do that That'd be crazy or no That'd be a little fucked up Yeah I'm not sure that would like help

It's not going to help. I don't think they would really like that. Also, it's not going to make a difference. That would be crazy. But okay, you were saying snowboarding and, uh, I mean, yeah, I mainly like to just chill, watch TV with my girl, my dog. And then if we have the opportunity to go snowboarding, I do, but my coach hates it when I does because obviously if I hurt myself, like my career is going down the drain,

but that's what, that's definitely something where like, I don't know if you guys do it, but when you're on the hill and you're just like music blasting, like chilling, it's just like peaceful, you know? Oh, yeah. Where do you go? Uh, we go to Aspen every year right now. Oh, that's nice to 10 days. It's super chill.

we get like a condo right at the bottom of highlands and you're just like walk out eat breakfast go up and down the hill all day it's have you ever been at west canada once yeah i went to bamph when i was younger younger but i want to go out there again it's dope there how about how are you i've been yeah lake louise ferny bc yeah it's dope there lake louise is crazy yeah yeah so what have you learned throughout your like your whole career on social media in bodybuilding what like what do you think really stands out to most the most to you as far as like finding success like throughout your whole you know journey like what stands out where you're like man this I really learned this about success or I learned this

about what I thought it was going to be or you know did you have preconceived ideas about it or like because you know you were you were a kid you like I'm in a bodybuilding I'm in work I'm into sports I'm into now I'm into working out and I'm in a body building and now like a lot of motherfuckers are looking at you like what have you learned about because you have a ton of success now What have you learned about it, that you didn't necessarily know then? I mean, I think, and I mean, it totally sounds typical, but it's because it's the truth. I think when I started, it was just like, I had just like, I want this, I want this, I want that. And when I started to get those things and accomplish them and it was like, it doesn't leave you feeling like done or fulfilled, you start to realize that the goal isn't a championship or multiple championships or like having the business with the business succeeding or buying shit from it, it's more just like the growth you have and the journey and the adventures that you build along the way.

the moment and i think whenever i've like won the past few olympias the time i like most enjoy and most memorable is celebrating with the people i love so like bringing them along my journey with me it's elevated myself along with them and the moments that we've built together kind of chasing thing that they've come along with me and help me they know what i've been through and just being able to celebrate at the end and like being able to do it together you know like i feel like greatness is more of like a it's more of a growth and elevating yourself and people around you yeah just like a personal selfish success thing it's like a societal like community thing where you're able to bring people together yeah up together and i think it's probably especially this year after olympia i don't know

what it was just feeling emotional after a big win but i had so many people who like help me come through a difficult olympia this year with like the bicep tear and some other shit going on that it just made me so grateful for everyone i have at my back because i felt like i couldn't do without them and i was like fuck this trophy man like i have the most beautiful circle around me like what's more important than this. That's dope. Yeah, that's, I'm super lucky. And I don't know, like, I always say I'm lucky. Maybe it's, I'm fired up, you know, so just some energy I'm able to attract or whatever fuck it is. Or my purpose to like be able to give back what I learned. But I've had the best people come into my life and it's helped me stay super grounded. Yeah. What's your biggest piece of

advice for some kid who wants to just become like something like you? Just keep being the jam and blow up or whatever. I would just say do it for yourself and the right reasons. You know, don't chase after something because someone else is doing it and it's cool or someone else did this and they got successful. You really have to be true to yourself and doing something that you love to do because otherwise it's not going to work out and you're going to get to the end of it and realize you wasted your fucking time on it. I think the biggest thing you said is you did this before you wanted to turn it into like a whole career. Yeah. So that's why you're so successful. Yeah. Do you agree with that? I would say definitely. It definitely helps. It kind of release some

of the like expectation and pressure on myself. And it just if I did it before because I loved it, why not keep doing it because I love it. And the long of you can kind of keep that in your mind going forward and not, like, detract onto the success and the money or bullshit going on, then you can keep going a lot longer for sure. Fuck, yeah. I feel like most things are like that. Like most people have successes.

I think so. Yeah. Because like they really loved it and they go towards it. And then it makes it easier to fucking do, right? And continue it. Especially when it gets hard, right? And then you kind of find this balance of like, damn, you know, because shit's not going to be easy.

And I think if you're doing it just because you're trying to get some sort of outcome, become, you know, Mr. Olympia or make a, or make a bunch of money, then if you don't get it the way you think you should get it, people tend to, like, fall out from it or try something else or do something different because they didn't really give a fuck about it to begin with. Yeah. So, you know, most people have success at the high level because, like, they really just love it. And that's why they're able to continue to do it instead of, oh, I'm going to make money

or I'm going to get famous or whatever the fuck else it is. It's attached to it. For sure, yeah. So that's totally why you have it. You'll never have control over an outcome. Yeah. Like, no matter what you do, no matter how good I am, no matter how hard I work, I will never have control of the outcome that I'm going to win the Olympia so if my happiness is attached to that

my happiness is attached to something out of my control and I'm just like hands up in the air like maybe I'll be happy if maybe I'll hate myself you know yeah it's like I'm not willing to relinquish that control over my life so it's not worth it yeah and I mean people hear it so often of like the typical old rich dude is miserable with life because all he did was work his whole life and it's like why do we all hear these stories over and over again and then everyone's still just like yeah I get it but like I still want it you know why do you think it's hard for people to understand that though because everyone says the same thing you probably get caught up in the moment right yeah i think you definitely get caught up in it and i think social media definitely

played the thing now you know the highlight reels the bullshit people put out there of being like the big people on social media who like people think are happier the ones posting like nice cars PJs all this right shit you know and it just builds a false reality but it's hard to say yeah once you started to blow up and all that is there anything like one thing you really had to give up or something you couldn't pay as much attention to that just bothers you now? I mean, recently, I've had, it's been difficult that I left my family to move down here. You know, I'm like close with my parents and my like grandparents are like past or getting really old and I'm, we start to see how like short life is. I'm like, fuck, I'm down here so far away from my family. We only get

to them once or twice a year for a short period of time. And I don't have a lot, a long time with them left anymore. And I kind of miss that connection. I had living close to them all the time. So I that definitely suck and i mean i'm pretty sure to the choir as the fucking guy who said don't wait to be happy but i'm like kind of like waiting like when parents retire hopefully i can move them down here or something and like you know i should maybe i should be sacrificing more time to go up there spend time with them or something but it's definitely a battle i have currently but it's the point of my life right now and at least when i do see my parents i'm able to actually enjoy the time with them more now because it is more scarce so i'm able to make it more meaningful but it still sucks

just not seeing them all the time because that was a huge family guy so what do you see them with all the right answers to oh yeah you're a wise guy bro I like it actually I'm not even trolling it's all that journaling you know yeah see bum

I have one too you gotta pick up the oh you got one yeah it's at the air BVB oh okay you have like a zap journalet 3 a.m. monologue 3 a.m. has all these books of just

I can't fall asleep right now it's dear Brad my heart's beating what did you say that's a dear Brad yeah you in a journal bro I'm sorry I made fun of you for giving me such a good idea

fucking ass Oh, that's good. The Zap Journal. I'm curious, like, if you didn't do bodybuilding, what else you think you'd be doing? That's a great question. And someone I get all the time, and I don't know because in school, it was, school was brutal. I thought I was going to become a physiotherapist. Okay.

And, like, that's a lot of fucking school. Like seven years. Yeah. It's like becoming a doctor almost, but I'm not even as hard. But as I was going through, I think something at the time I was thinking I might like, because of the impact they had on my life was becoming like a high school teacher. Oh, wow. a few teachers were like I was never like a piece of shit kid but I definitely started to stray

more until like you know stopping trying to school stop playing in sports more hanging with my friends fucking off yeah bullshit and then they tried to like pull me back onto the right path and definitely helped me a little bit with my mind and I feel like that's a huge part in any kid teenager's life where they're about to enter the real world where any kind of role model can really have a huge impact and help them or where they take this next journey and I felt like a I randomly liked high school biology. So I felt like I could have taught that. Could have been a good gym teacher, I feel like.

Yeah. And also help people hopefully. Yeah. You would have been a beauty gym teacher. Imagine a different life. You're just a gym teacher? Just a gym teacher. Fuck.

You don't crush that. Yeah. You never know. Damn. It could happen. So after all this stuff, what do you focus on? Are you going to be like acting? You're going to try and do something like in that line?

You know, you're going to like full Arnold route? No, I don't think I could act. I, even if like, we're doing like random marketing ads and shit. and I have, like, a script I have to read. I can't do it. I can't. I can't even read it. If people are like, all right, act more enthusiastic, I'm like, I can't.

I just like monotonly say it. Like, I can't act. It feels too awkward. It feels just fake, you know? And maybe that's just my like, anxious insecurities over thinking it. Yeah. But I can't ever picture myself trying to act unless I'm like the quiet guy. The business route for you is like, that's dope.

The business is definitely the goal, yeah. The sops, the energy drink. That's going to be. And we mentioned, I think we're in the bathroom, but like, I'm very much looking forward to hopefully because I'm. Stop. Do you know how fast you were going? I'm going to have to write you a ticket to my new movie, The Naked Gun.

Liam Nissan. Buy your tickets now. I get a free Tilly Dog. Chilly Dog, not included. The Naked God. Tickets on sale now. August 1st. Establishing all this in my life now in business, if I'm able to pull back and retire

and be like a present father at a certain point in my life, if I'm lucky enough to have the family. Oh, they ask you the kid question? No, no, he just said it. He just said it himself. And they were making fun of you, too, saying that all Jim Bros just want to be father. apparently. Oh, so I was gone and they were dogging me. Makes sad. I want to be a dad so bad, man. Fuck. That's more rewarding than that, you know. Boy, girl, whatever it is, be able to raise someone, especially how fucked up our world is right now. Yeah. I hear a lot of people

be like, I don't want a kid in this world. I'm like, this is the opportunity to bring someone in the world who can actually help or be the better generation, you know? Did you guys talk about you want to have a kid or like, is that something that's on the way for you and your girl? Are you thinking about that we've talked about it you know we're engaged right now getting married in like twenty 24 we don't have an exact date yet congrats spoken about it we both want a family so kind of i i definitely want to be done competing at the time i want to make sure i'm healthy yeah and i want to make sure i'm able to be invested as a father yeah so when the time comes hopefully in a few years or so then it's that's that's huge man then you know call you daddy see bump for real

daddy see but really like you just turn into that well bum june you know fucking dope yeah that's awesome so that's some crazy merch that's a big merch drop right there too we're gonna come with the whole kid's line little kids pre-workout no that's that's not good that's not gonna fucking say that people get people get sued for that right now yeah that's not good yeah that's not good um did you hear about the tic-tock thing getting banned tic-tok is probably going to get banned it seems like it the whole tic-tok it seems like it have you i've been reading more about this i think it's just all business but yeah i don't really I mean, it's all money.

It's all money. Do you like TikTok? Do you use it? I use it. I don't like scroll through it, but I post on it to like have another platform. I just recently started doing more on it, but it's not like my favorite, definitely. Yeah. It's a lot.

It's probably a couple decision makers in government and who's going to pay them more, YouTube or TikTok? Man, and that's going to be the decision. Probably that was a big China thing last time I heard about it. Yeah, that's the main, like, that's why it's kind of on the chopping block. Yeah. It's like, oh, it's spies or some shit. I don't know what they're saying. I mean, the data, obviously, they do collect this crazy.

you saw that Joe Rogan clip yeah it's crazy apparently like getting like your phone swather they know what you they know what you're typing and shit yeah I saw that that's insane tracking like yeah what you're typing they probably know even if it's open in the background what you're doing that other apps exactly that's what they're saying like what you're typing in other apps I think it's also like if you're signed into your Apple ID on like your laptop they also like you're giving them access to any device that you're signed into

how does that shit even wait they know your search history or no bro you're clicking except look at he's getting all worried about a search history right now. Yeah, bro. Are you sure they know that or no? They know all that. They give you the contract right there and you have to click accept. You're fucked, man. Your shit's going to come out. We've been banging on doors lately. Yeah. They're coming for you. I'm good. We're good? Yeah. Are you sure? Yeah. Okay. What's your PR on bench? Two plates. Fuck yeah. Fuck yeah. Yeah. Steinie as strong as you? No, Steinie is not. Stine's line about us. Fuck yeah. I got you. Love C-bone, bro. Bro, you're not hitting two plates. Let me get some raw nutrition.

One rep, that's it. Like, in barely, you are. Energy drain, like, barely. Thank you. Huh? You know I'm pretty strong, bro. We're not hitting two plates. Don't lie to him just one time.

Yeah. In the right scenario. No, want to get Jack, bro. He's got a sleeper build. I know. It's really hard. We've been talking about that lately.

Well, it's hard with the lifestyle too, right? Yeah. If I was at home for like, I don't know. If I just lived a normal life, I'm sure it'd be a lot easier. But it looks like that. What's I like for you guys, though? Because you guys travel a lot, but your lifestyle, happy dad. Like, my branding is working out.

exactly your branding is partying what is that like something you kind of feel like you're going to be able to sustain or yeah i mean i definitely just like i've accepted now too like i don't like do the stuff that i used to do like even the hangovers now are just like you physically can't do it like i'm 282 now so but like it's just not the same as when you're 21 22 23 right so it's a lot more balanced now too but yeah there is i've just gotten a lot more better now like saying no i think like even last night we get to my me everyone's like let's go out let's go out i was like we're not going out like we're not going out tonight like straight out like we're waking up early we're going to the gym like you got a you

got to say no a lot more you got to be strong that we can do with this lifestyle that could help us see more results i mean right there priorities choose what you want and prioritize it say no and how often do you drink it's diet though for me like on the road too like i'm kind of like i'm like i'm like the guy like you guys got to get a chef coming with you we have a chef at home so that's what's Good. He came to travel with you. I know. Like,

wait, assistant during the whole COVID times. Yeah. You got Jack. I mean, that was like four years ago, too, though. So my metabolism was probably a little lighter. He COVID was actually time to get Jack.

Yeah, it was. Nothing else to do. Why are you looking at me like that, by the way? What are you talking about? I'm looking at these guys. Are you okay? How often do you drink,

Cibum? Twice a year now, maybe? Twice a year? Wow. We got a shot right now? We were part of the twice. This is one day. Three this year.

Three this year. So are you like? So let's make this day count then. We got to go away with us. What the fuck? Can you come out with us for the day? Yes. Depends where you're going.

What you do? That's a no. That's a no. I know. I'm going to get my girl down here. I think we're just day drinking today. That's so funny. You got to come with.

He's got a drive, bro. No, you came with three people, I thought. That's 100% of bodybuilder, no. He ain't going nowhere. We got two free bodyguards. I know that's a no. I know a no.

I know what I had. I like going to get two spots after this. What do I would go out? We're going at Rock Bar. He's in. We're going at Rock Bar and the War. He's in. They both carry Haddway.

You're trying to talk him out of it. Bro, he's 100% not drinking. Are you guys like boozing tonight or you're going around to like PR for Happy Dead? No, we're going to go around to two spots after this and like have a few drinks. Casuals, bro. We're not getting wild. Come with. You in or out.

Huh? Let me think of it. Let's keep our shirts on and shit too. Yeah. Like maybe put some pants on too. I got to go back and change then. That was the funniest shit you said to hold. What?

That was good. Can I borrow your pants? I'm gonna just feel like you you guys maybe walk in front like and just be like security guys dressing all black thanks man fuck you I get that all the time fuck I think this is really good dude see bum you're the fucking go bro yeah no I appreciate you go that you fired me up too just with some I don't know just good vibes wisdom yeah time to prioritize good energy you're saying no you jacked up your discipline's unmatched bro if I ever come back on this I expect both you guys to be jacked up yeah we'll let you know when that time comes for sure we'll do the podcast

It's going to take a long time. See you in 10 years. Yeah. It's going to take a long time. Yeah. Sweet. Thanks for coming. This is my Zbom the fucking go.

Oh, no, dude. Brad's been waiting. Oh. All right. Wait, let's just figure this out real quick, too. Okay. What does Brad have you like in? Dude, what are you doing?

No, in like the Jimbrose sector. Like, does Brad have you in anything or like? Oh my God, dude. He's taller than me. So he's got size. But I mean, like a lifting thing like or anything like that? I honestly think. PRs are probably all over mine, all more than mine.

Why are you doing this? I'm just curious, bro. I'm not here to be like, fucking I'm stronger than his guy in his fucking interview, dude. I'm not like. Oh, you weren't saying that on the way here? Bro, what are you talking about? I'm not even saying none of this. You come just to church me.

Just talking shit in the car right here. Bro, I've not been talking no shit. Wait, my last thing is like, what about like the world strongest man when they try and throw the like big boulders over the thing? This is hilarious. He did talk about this. Like, what's that all about? And could you do that?

It's a completely different fucking thing. I cannot do that. No? those guys are like 400 pounds no they're like 6'9 you're gonna get roasted by the bodybuilding community it's not bodybuilding strong men bodybuilding

powerlifting all different things okay would you ever transition to women's and compete in women's and then be Mrs. Olympia what would you ask me if I was going to transition okay sorry I'm just gonna see boom all right yeah let's let's have that's enough I had to fire that

CBO's a goat thank you so much bro yeah let's go we should get that that was awesome oh yeah