FULL SEND PODCAST - Don Lemon x Nelk Boys | Ep. 125

Episode Date: May 23, 2024

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Plug that into the app right now, so download the PricePix app right now and use code NELC. Also, Elon Musk is my daddy. Thank you. So we got Don Lemon here. And now we're going to say a lot of respect for coming on because I think people like to like frame us as like a right wing conservative podcast too. But I mean, we're down to have anybody from any side on and just have a conversation too. I feel that way as well. But no, yeah, shut out to you and respect for you for coming on.

But you don't even consider yourself like. I don't care of what your politics are as long as you're nice guys. Yeah. I'm fine with it. Yeah. Totally fine. So what's your day to day like now? like now that you're kind of like you're like your own boss your your content and your

format is a lot different than when you're with CNN what's it like now it's a lot longer yeah because I'm the boss so I have to do the business I have to keep the lights on and I have to do the editorial and that's not as easy um as people might think um before I was just I just I just had to focus on the editorial and have to focus on advertisers I don't have to focus on a budget and have to focus on making payroll and have to focus on what other podcasts I'm gonna go on like this. Everything was just sort of arranged for me. So my days are long.

You know, I went to a business dinner last night. I got home at close to midnight. I did a little research about your show. I woke up at eight and started doing interviews. I had Basim Youssef on this morning. I did a panel on the Trump trial and college protests. And then I did another show just talking about the week. And then I'm gonna do another live show.

These are all taped. And then I'll do another live show at 5 o'clock, which is just me talking to the audience. It's not really a show. You like it more now? Or do you like the form of it. I do like it because I get to talk to people and I actually get to hear directly from the audience. And before where I was just sort of pontificating. It was just a one way conversation.

And so, you know, you read, you know, Twitter comments, but, you know, that's like everybody has a. So the arranged stuff, like everything was just kind of arranged for you? Yeah. I would just, you know, I would, you know, they'd have an editorial call in the morning. We'd see what was happening happening in the news. And then we would decide on guests and what we were going to cover. Yeah. And I would say, I like this, this and this.

And then there was a host of producers that just went off and did it. And then they handed me a packet and then I studied it. I'm just curious, like, how much stuff do you, do you think you ever, like, had to report on or did report on that you didn't necessarily, like, fully agree or side with or, like, was like, this is what I think is right. And you kind of just had to say, because. you were part of like a network that was sort of well i never had to say anything that i didn't believe in but um as a as a reporter as a journalist like i said i just had bassem on and you know he started like i would ask him questions and he i think sometimes the interviewee thinks that that is my stance on things that i believe that just because i'm asking a question yeah so um he was

he's very pro-palestinian and so i was asking questions that someone who supported Jewish, Jewish people or Israel would ask to counter him. And so he thinks that that's my belief, but it's not. I'm simply just playing devil's advocate to get him to respond to something that, you know, I'm going to say, well, you know, someone who is supporting the Jewish side of this may say this. And then, you know, so, but, you know, you have to ask questions and it's not really about your belief.

It's just about getting answers from people and trying to inform the viewer or the listener of whomever. I never had to say, I was never told to say anything when I worked for CNN. So they don't, they don't have certain, like, things that they want you to say. Well, I mean, they said, don't say, I mean, that kind of thing, but, okay. No, they never said, you mean, like, like the COVID stuff, it was a popular thing for everyone to say, this is such a bad thing. And then now it's kind of, people seem to be backtracking on that now.

What do you mean? The Vax thing and, like, how the efficacy of it at the time and how Ivermectin wasn't something that people should be taking. And now, Como's out talking about how, like, oh, it's actually a good thing. and it was a good thing, but we were told it wasn't. You know what I'm? He was just on PBD's podcast talking about that. Yeah, I don't.

And you and him were really kind of like pro-ante, like, take the thing, do it. Well, I was pro or anti, you know, this whole argument about vaccines is a little weird to me. Because I think people are Monday morning quarterbacking the idea of vaccines. And the- I mean my Monday morning? Because when, remember, this was a, a. virus that we hadn't seen before it was a world it was a once in a lifetime pandemic and people didn't know and i think what i think we have to give um the people who are in charge including the

the trump administration a little grace because no one knew how to deal with this and i think that our health officials and uh and politicians were doing what they thought was best to save the most amount of people to keep people safe and to keep them healthy do they make mistakes along the way Absolutely. But that's life. And so, you know, I think I thought that people should be doing what would, instead of being selfish for themselves, they should have, they should be doing or we should have been doing what was best for our fellow man. I have, um, a relative who has a compromised immune system. So whether I believe in wearing a mask or not around that person, I'm going to wear a mask. I'm not going to be selfish. You say, masks are stupid. I'm not going to do it because I am not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I am selfish. And I, you know, I love that person. I don't know if the person I'm standing next to in the grocery store or if I'm in the post office. I don't know if they have a compromised immune system. I have someone who's on my staff who still wears a mask and someone came in and said, why the fuck is she wearing a mask? And I had to tell that person she has lupus. And so if she

got anything, a cold or anything, it's going to affect her in a detrimental way. So I think the people who are questioning the use of masks even in the moment, we're being a bit selfish. And even vaccines. Vaccines are not new. I mean, I grew up having to get all kinds of vaccines and all kinds of shots because I live in a country where we have to associate with a lot of people. And it's really about keeping the most amount of people safe and not just ourselves. Yeah. But went to some of those vaccines that you're speaking to or they've had longer durations of created like they were created for a longer time meaning like the COVID vaccine came out it was like hey it's here now take it and then they had to give like more and more shots and more and more shots

to keep the efficacy I get a flu shot every year yeah right yeah but but in regards that's not mandated right um no it's not mandated but a flu shot is not part of a pandemic if we had a flu pandemic then I'm sure they would mandate flu shots I guess the question comes back to like I listen to to like a lot of what people are talking about now is saying that like they knew that there was other methods that people could have done like ivermectin was one of them that i don't think they knew that ivermectin ivermectin was not a covid was not meant for covid has not been tested for covid and so people pushing back on ivermectin i think it was the right thing to do because there was no medical evidence that ivermectin was could help save people from getting COVID or

prevent them from getting COVID or had any effect on the covid 19 vaccine so um what our health officials, what I believe in medicine, I believe in science, and I believe that my government is looking out for me and trying to do the best for me. And if my government is telling me a vaccine that was actually that Donald Trump helped to facilitate, and Donald Trump was not a candidate that I really, you know, respected. Even with him, I thought that my, I believe that my government is looking out for me. And so if scientists, if doctors, if phyrologists are telling me that this vaccine is saved and that there is and that ibermectin has no effect on the COVID vaccine then i'm going to believe on the COVID vaccine or the COVID virus because the vaccine

I'm sorry not on the vaccine yes on COVID and then I'm not going to believe in the science and I'm going to believe in the doctors which is fine but shouldn't other people have the right to like not take the vaccine and not be like forced to put something in the body that you're an american you have the right to do that but it but it seemed at the time like media was really like shaming people like if you didn't get a vaccine. Like, it's your fault. I don't think, well, I don't know if the media was shaming people. I think that, I think what they, I think what people were saying was, I think people are being selfish about that. If you don't get the vaccine, they don't get the vaccine, but don't expect to be able to do and go places where people who got the vaccine. And like make a

living, right? Well, everybody's working from home. No, no, people weren't at work. I mean, you couldn't go to school. Did you get the vaccine? No, I didn't get the vaccine. No, I got the vaccine. But if I, if someone in my office didn't want to get the vaccine, then I would tell them to work from home. Did you get a Vax card too? Yeah. I paid $2,000 for a fake one. That was just, that was a I got scanned. No, but seriously, I thought, it's fine. If you don't want to get the vaccine, then that's fine. If I didn't get the vaccine as a kid growing up, I couldn't go to school. But from your perspective, like, all like this shit aside, couldn't you have seen that the whole sort of like legacy media was like, you need this? And to a lot of people was like, okay, is this, is this

just about protecting and helping people, or is it's about big pharma and big business and money? I believe that's a conspiracy theory. And I know there's big pharma and I get all that, but they're also related. But they were making so much money up it too, right? Fine. But we were in the middle of something that nobody knew about, something that was new that was killing people. I remember when I worked for NBC and we did the SARS vaccine, I mean, the SARS pandemic. And no one knew. We were leaving equipment at people's homes because we're afraid of being infected. No one knew. And so I think people were trying to do what was best for their fellow man, the best for the American public. And that's what that's my

honest belief. I don't think the media was trying to push. I think the media was putting out what the government and what our officials were telling us what was good to do. There was a point where we were wiping mail and leaving it so that the germs would go away. We would taking our clothes off and when we got into the house and throwing in the washing machine and jumping in the shower, nobody knew. So like, give us, cut it some slack. Like, nobody's, I don't think everybody's out to get everybody. Anyways, I just think there was a lot of evidence, too, that, like, it wasn't really affecting young people. And it was like, you know, if you did your own research, like, for me, when I looked into it, I was like, I don't know if I'm at risk as much. Like,

I don't think I need to get the vaccine. And that's why I chose not to get it. I didn't want to get a shot when I was a child because I was afraid of needles. But my parents told me I needed to get a shot in order to go to school. But those ones could be like good for you too. Yeah, but I think the vaccine is good for you too. I don't think the vaccine is good for people. Well, they just recently AstraZeneca, I think they just came in. It was like, go, we're taking this off the market because it's so, it's actually there's so many problems related to this. There's problems related to the drink that you have. I'm sure that, you know, some people may be allergic to that. But in a time where like you couldn't work or you couldn't go to school or you couldn't, I own a gym and I couldn't have my gym open.

Yeah. And a gym in that certain situation where has there so many other benefits and health benefits that are actually like combating the things that also the vaccine we're trying to help with that you could do naturally that we're all now saying, oh, this is actually really beneficial and people should have been able to do this the whole time. And it's just kind of like a weird, we're just going to say our government cares about us so much that like we're going to dismiss all of this sort of stuff that is really also beneficial to us and just go take this thing.

that is a for-profit business, it seems a little disgenuine. Well, I'm sorry that your business didn't operate. I mean, that, that's- It did. I did. I stayed open during the pandemic in California. There were people who lost their businesses. That's a whole different thing. I'm not advocating for anybody to lose their business. But we have to remember, guys, it's not just about here in America.

The entire world was shut down. There's actually places that weren't shut down. It had like a very good outcome with COVID. Yes, but for the most part, the entire world was shut down. We did not go to work for four. 14 months, I drove two hours to work and two hours back because I was the only one coming into work into the building. I had to go from Long Island into the building. That was a sacrifice that I made. Everybody has to make sacrifices at some point. And it's unfortunate that,

you know, there are consequences to that. It's awful. Did I want to not see my family and my mother for two years? No. But I also did not want my mother traveling on a plane or me going and because I have to work and be around people and, you know, affect her health possibly. She's an 80-year-old woman. So I was looking out for my fellow citizen. And I could have lost my job. People could have, you know, maybe people weren't going to watch the news anymore. People were upset about, you know, us talking about the vaccine.

There are consequences for everything. But I just think it's, and I respect how you guys feel about the vaccine, but you're asking me my opinion. I think people are, you know, looking, hindsight is 20-20. We did not know. I think a lot of people did know. Just like you couldn't, if you said the other. A lot of people thought they know, but everybody's not doctors and everybody's not a scientist and everybody's not a virologist. And so listen to the scientists and the doctors and the virologist.

And maybe the science changes over time or what they, your knowledge of the vaccine or your knowledge of the disease or the virus changes over time. Yeah. It evolves as you learn more. And so I just don't think it's fair to talk shit about people who are trying to help people. I just don't, I don't agree with that. I think what was weird though about the whole situation is like even if you did have your own opinion on it too, like even on social media, like your posts would get deleted. Was very controlled.

And that's what made the whole COVID situation feel fishy and it felt like a form of control. Well, I think was that posts were getting deleted. Well, that was like a whole misinformation thing. Yeah. I think if people are spreading misinformation and lies. But define misinformation. I think people, look, I believe in freedom of speech. But I think if people are actively spreading misinformation,

that's going to hurt people and if it's going to put their lives, their safety and their health at risk, then I think there should, it should be corrected. But it's just so impossible to define misinformation at such an early stage of a virus, too. Like, who decides what's misinformation? I mean, but what's more important, your internet post or somebody's health? But it's just like. So then why were gyms closed now? Jim's like the mecca of like working on your health.

Well, Jim is like the mecca of people like, that's, of people. and pushing out and it spread. It was airborne. That was proven wrong too. Yeah. It wasn't actually. That's what they thought. But that's what they thought.

You're proving my point. You're saying that was proven wrong. But in that moment, in that time... But that's by the same doctors that we were listening to, too, right? But we didn't know. But there was a lot of, there was a lot of virologists and doctors that I guess the doctors didn't know. But nobody knew.

That's like before. Nobody knew about cars before there were cars. But there were a lot of saying it's pretty fair, though. It's fair, but there were a lot of horologists and doctors who were actually opposite of what mainstream was. touting and it got shut down. That's all true. That's all true. But still. So if you have 10 doctors saying, yo, this is a great thing and you have 10 doctors saying this is a terrible thing, then like, why are we only choosing to like push the narrative if it's a great thing and you need to do

it? Because you do, you go where the majority of the science is pushing you to go. That's what you do. I just, I don't, I honestly guys, I don't get it. I don't get it. Which part? I don't get it because I do you think that I liked wearing a mask? Do you think that I like not seeing my family? Do you think that I like being cooped up in my house? Nobody liked it. But I mean, to just say, like, everybody was wrong and our government was doing this and the media is doing that. I just think it's like, it's internet brain.

Yeah. It's like everybody is. I think a lot of people just thought it was a form of control, though. Yeah. And I guess that's our only disagreement is like, like you said, you trust the government and you think they're looking out for you. And a lot of people think the exact opposite. I don't think the government is always looking out. for me, but I think when we're in the middle of a situation where there is a worldwide

pandemic where lives are on the line, I think the government is going to look out for us. I think they weren't looking at. That sounds like when they wouldn't. That sounds like when the most money could be made, in my opinion. I think it was a complete opposite. I don't believe in that. I don't believe that this was about money. Drug companies want to make money, but I don't think that telling people to wear masks and get a vaccine. Isn't it so easy though, if like those people are just lobbying the government saying like, you'll make everyone take the vaccine? No, I think that's a, that's like an easy money trail, honestly, isn't it? massive. That's like a two-step money, money trail. I think there's, I just, I just don't agree

with you on, on that whole thing. I'm sorry. I don't. That's fine. That's fine. Yeah, I mean, you can keep questioning me, but I don't mind it. I'm not upset, but I just don't agree with you. So, so let's, let's switch a little bit. Especially for someone like me, like I'm a minority. I'm like gay man. Like, I shouldn't trust the government. Like, you know, people aren't looking necessarily looking out for me. There was a time when I, people thought I, the government thought I couldn't get married. So, you know, I have enough confidence, though, in the American system, especially to, you know, and again, in the middle of something that no one had ever heard of, that I have enough confidence that my government is leading me in the right direction. If my government wants to make money, then they're not going to want to kill me because I'm not going to be able to spend money. So I guess that's just like Don's philosophy is he's like, he trusts the government and a lot of people just don't.

Yeah. Which makes sense. Well, because then they get the conversation about like all the other and. auxiliary damage that happened because of just like foregoing people's jobs and like all the other stuff that came with like, okay, if I'm going to not take this vaccine because I'm, I'm more siding with this other scientists or this other virologist on like what is actually working to prevent COVID or to make my symptoms better. I'm thinking about this more natural remedy or or herd immunity instead of this just like, I'm going to take this thing because blindly my

government tells me to do it and what they know at the time. I guess the question goes to be like, but what about all the other lives that like it really detrimentally affected that we're just saying this is not as important because we're so focused on these other lives that are you know like where like that was my my biggest beef when like personally was like okay we're going to shut down a gym we're going to shut down these businesses but like Costco down the streets open all these other places are open and it's okay and this place is not okay and you can't go here or do this or do that and like other people's like kids in school for example like they're not going to school we're fucking up the education thing even more it's like All these other things are going to have all this trickle-down effect and damage that we're just saying call that. Let's just focus on this right now. And it's like our focus where the point was on just the vaccine, take the vaccine, and this is the only way. And everything else is like smoke and mirrors or conspiracy for better words. It just seemed like it doesn't, that doesn't feel right. Because then we go, none of this matters, only this matters, do this because we said it.

And then you have everyone parity in the same shit. Well, yeah, I think he said the same thing, like no one knew how to handle. of situations. I get it. But at the same time, you're right. You're going to get the same response every time. It was social distancing. It was masks. It was hand sanitized. I remember at all. It was infected. It was all of that stuff. So it wasn't just like focusing on a vaccine. Yeah. It was focusing on control is what it was focusing on. And it wasn't, it wasn't allowing people to go, oh, I can say, I believe this. You have to have a control over society. What do you think the cops are? That's about control. What do you think laws are? That's about

control. What do you think a speed limit is? It's about control. What do you think like having insurance for your car is. That's about control. Having a driver's license, that's about control. Like, you have to have levels of, levers for, of control in your society, or you have a society that is chaos, yeah. It's chaos. Right. But where are we deciding, like, what life is mattering more?

How do we just, how did we determine that? Well, for me, the lives that mattered more during COVID were the lives that were compromised, and the people who had a better chance of getting sick, like frontline workers and health care workers. And I didn't know, you know, babies, we didn't know, whatever, or people who have compromised immune systems. So I'm a healthy person. You're a healthy person.

Right. Okay, I'm healthy, but I don't want to make somebody else unhealthy. Because if I got the Vex, if I got the virus, then I probably live and survive. But I don't know if my 80-year-old mother is going to survive. So I'm going to wear a mask. I'm going to social distance. I'm going to get a vaccine or a shot that can help prevent the spread of it or help me from getting it. And so that's what I did.

And I think that people should respect that. And just like, I respect your right. If you didn't want to do that, you don't want to get a vaccine, then don't get a vaccine. But I think that you have to have control or there's chaos, as he said. Yeah. Yeah, I think people weren't saying that at the time. but yeah no I just think like I said I think a lot of people just don't trust the government like you don't you think that there's no level above the government or you don't think that like

I just told you that I don't always trust the government but I just said in that situation where there is a worldwide pandemic and that we did know what the hell was going on I trusted that my government was looking out for me and would hope that my government in general though you don't think there's like another layer above the government that's like big pharma and the military industrial complex that play like a huge role yeah in the way things are done yeah well I mean you're talking about making money right yeah yeah that's what American system that's what we're about capital you're talking about capitalism yeah we live in a capitalistic society everybody's gonna make money I mean you have the

sponsor by using the government to they were selling that they have that to make money you're on you have a podcast right but that's that's using the government to force people to do something in order for a company to make money government forces you to do things in every single day of your life you got to pay your utility bill you have to pay your taxes you have to get a driver driver's license. You have to get insurance. But what I don't think it makes sense. I think it makes sense. I don't think it makes sense. I do think it makes sense, but I'm just playing you because no, but those do make sense. Why should I have to go every four or six or eight years and pay for

driver's license and whatever, just give the government my money or whatever it is? Why should I have to pay taxes on, you know, if I don't want to pay taxes because I want my money and I want to be selfish and I don't want to help out. So you can say the same thing about a lot of things. yeah well for sure but we still pay them yeah and we get jailed if we don't there are consequences yeah I think I think if there's one thing about COVID to me it showed how powerful the media was though you thought the media was powerful yeah yeah for sure me too I think if that's I'd like to hear about that well how do you just thought we were that powerful I really didn't I mean just not even just

traditional media but social media too I mean I think that for me what it showed is whatever the government or you know same thing they were deleting stuff off social media, whatever was on our phones at that time, we, we were believing. Yeah, that was the thing. Like, just the fact that that was the most powerful the media has ever been. Because we, we, you obviously, you said you didn't believe the media. But I'm saying a lot of people did. Look what happened. Like, we look at our phones and we say, stay inside, don't go outside, lock yourself in your door, or lock yourself in your house. Everyone does it. And then the second you look at your phone and everyone says, okay, you could take the masks off. Everyone takes the

masks off. It's just, I mean, whether it was true or not, even if it was true, it did show me how powerful like social media and the media was because because like for example obviously like you were able to get on CNN or whatever and talk about whatever you were supposed to talk about or whatever you wanted to talk about it in a sense but from our perspective I'm doing content for like 14 years now and you literally couldn't say something that was opposite of what was being said over here whereas and over here as in what you were talking about me you could say what you mean on social media so on social media like you couldn't say you would get your account deleted You couldn't say, like, the vaccine is like, don't take the vaccine.

You had to say what they were saying. Otherwise, you were getting penalized. You were getting hidden. You were getting deleted. You couldn't speak opposite of what was being spoken on legacy and major. If you even put the word COVID, it will take down the list. Look, I didn't work in social media. So that I don't know what was happening.

But I do know that there was an effort. And I think there was, it was the right thing to do is to try to limit the spread of misinformation. And again, And this was an unusual time in the entire world. And so we don't live in that time now. And things have eased up. You can say pretty much whatever you want to say on social media within, you know, within reason. So, you know, I just think that we're taking this really unusual time that happens.

It will never happen probably in either of our, none of our lifetime. I think it's important to talk about it. Yes, it is important to talk about it. But I just think that when you think about it, you have to think, I don't know. We, nobody knew. And it's, but it is normal to be upset. It is normal for you to have resentment about it. It is normal for people to have questions about it.

It's normal for people to feel like, you know what, my kid lost out on education and is having, you know, trouble relating to other people because we kept them home and, and maybe we shouldn't have. But the thing is, maybe we shouldn't have, but we didn't know. Are you okay? I hate it. I hate that we didn't know. It's like, but some people knew and they were silenced. How did some people?

Yeah. How could Chelsea? I'm so over talking about COVID, bro. Like, okay. Because I feel like this is how I feel. It's over. Yeah. It's done.

What's next? Yeah. It's hard. Like, that's true. It's just hard to just, I can accept it because I've accepted. You should be, you should put it in the past. You've opened a new gym since then. It's, yes, but it's not about that.

It's about, like, the people who, like, their whole lives are ruined that you can't just go, hey, it's over. Sorry, it's different now. Yeah, but people's lives are ruined for smoking pot. People's lives are ruined for selling weed. And now it's legal and people are making millions of dollars. Yeah, but what you're talking about smoking by and selling weed versus, like, you have to take this vaccine or you can't go to school.

You have to take this vaccine or you can't work. And all I'm telling you is that. Yeah. That happened. That's a reality. we cannot go back and change it. But that's not the same as saying someone smoked weed

that high. That's like very different. No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying there are people who are sitting in prison. Yeah, no. I'm saying there are people who are sitting in prison now for smoking marijuana or selling marijuana. Right.

And now everyone is out on the streets smoking marijuana. Yeah. And making gazillions of dollars selling it legally. And there are people who are sitting in prison who the same thing. That's, it's, it's a big weed weed jailer.

That's it. I, yeah, whatever. Since you said it. Yeah, but there are a lot of people who are... Wait, why? She's a former, she's a former prosecutor, and you're saying that she's went after a lot of people from marijuana? Yeah, marijuana. Got to hear of that.

That's crazy, bro. What do you think about... What do you think about that since you brought weed up? Wait, hang up. I'm trying to help you. That's bullshit. Do I smoke wheat? No, I used to smoke weed. I used to smoke weed. I used to do edibles. I just don't like the way it makes me feel.

I get anxious. I would rather, I get anxious. I go inside of my head too much. I can't really. membership. I'm getting older. My memory's already going. And I would prefer to do mushrooms. Yeah, me too. Damn. Let's go. Here we go. There we go. You guys made up. Here we go. Oh, shit. Now we're homies now. What do you think about all the, you said you did a podcast before this. Everything going on at Columbia, UCLA campus is kind of getting taken over. Doesn't seem. Very broad question.

Well, I mean, it doesn't seem like really like people want to say you have the right with the first and it's in a protest, but it's like an encampment. They're kind of literally camping on college campuses, closing down buildings. Like, it's getting a little out of hand. Taking down the American flag, raising the Palestinian flag, like, it just seems like there's no border there. Well, again, that's a broad question because, as, you know, do you know, you guys know who Basim Youssef is, right?

No. He is Palestinian. He's Palestinian, I forget what it is, but he's Arab. And he is very pro-Palestin, and he has family members in Gaza, and he's a comedian, and became very outspoken after this started happening at this, like, interview with Pears Morgan that went blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So if you listen to him, you hear a certain perspective. And then as I told you, it was at this work dinner last night, and I was sat next to a rabbi. And if you listen to the rabbi, it's a completely different perspective. So I think it was like, it's people talking over each other.

And so my advice to, the rabbi asked me my advice last night. My advice to the rabbi was that you can't tell people they're stupid, that they don't know their history, especially kids who are going to hire institutions of learning, so that they can learn how to critically think. And they are testing the bounds of First Amendment and their freedom of expression. you can't tell them they're stupid because then you're never going to get anywhere with them.

Yeah. Do you still think they're protected by the first amendment? Right. Well, no. That's another question. And so for the other side, a similar thing. Like you can't tell people, you know, I, you know, it's a genocide. It's whatever.

Those are trigger words. I just think they're talking over each other. And this is a conflict that neither of us are going to solve. And it's been happening for central. And it's not going to happen over the next few weeks or the next few months. Now, the whole First Amendment thing, I believe that this has gone beyond the First Amendment. Yeah. The First Amendment is actually for governments and for public institutions.

These are public institutions and they have to, or these are private institutions, most of them, and they don't have to abide by that, by the First Amendment. They can abide by the spirit of the First Amendment if they want to, but also they have the right to be able to make sure that their university and their business is operating. Right. Kids are in class. That they're doing what they're supposed to be doing as educators and people who are tasked with making sure that people on these campuses are safe. Should people be able to protest?

Absolutely. It's the bedrock of, you know, for sure. In our Constitution in America that we are able to have our freedom of expression. Does it mean that you have to agree with someone? That's what the First Amendment is for. is for speech that you disagree with so um i don't like the violence i don't like the anti-semitism i don't like the um any sort of bigotry or or racism take it down the flag i think is just like disrespectful yeah yes it is especially when you live in america it is but here's the thing we have

the right to burn our flag we have a right to criticize our country doesn't mean that i agree burning the flag yeah i hate that well you have the right to do it yeah but it doesn't mean But like you said, that's... It doesn't mean that you should do it. Yeah. Listen, and I am not agreeing that it's okay for people to do it, but you have the right to do it. Well, that's... Yeah, I agree. We've had Dana White on a few times, and he's, like, talked about how people are so afraid now to, like, be proud to be an American.

Yes. Which I think is... But I don't think performative patriotism is being proud of being an American. I just think it's a performative praetorship. But I'm just saying... Being a patriot... Yeah. actually means knowing and understanding that people have the right to do things that we don't

like in America. But burning the flag is such a lack of respect for the country that you live in. I agree. And I feel like they don't appreciate enough that they live in a country like America. But people have the right to do it. Of course. And if we're going to believe in our, in democracy, then we have to allow people to be able to do that even if we don't like it.

What do you think about it personally, burning the flag? I said, I just said, I don't agree with it. Oh, right. Okay. Yeah. This shit's just crazy. Like, I don't know. I saw Columbia, I think, canceled their graduation and stuff. Just gotten completely out of hand over. Am I not? That's fine. It's a fun podcast. We're a little, we're a little long ago. He likes to find his little moments in there. He likes to get his camera time too. He comes in for one mic fix. I have a question for you in regard to like, going from mainstream to social media, holy, right? Because you went to do some stuff with Elon Musk on X. Yeah, and did you expect to have more sort of like, I don't know, whether it'd be like

viewers or engagement or less, like when you left, did you have like a higher expectation or, because like, for example, like Tucker, I don't know the relationship, I don't know details, but like he left sort of legacy and like massively blew up on social media, Twitter, X, all this. Like, his numbers are insane. So no, what, you're smiling. Why? Because we don't know those numbers are real but that's okay and but go i'm sensing shade here by the way no no it's not no it's not no i never i don't shade people i just tell the truth you think tucker's boughting views do i think what you think talking abouting boughting no no no i'm just saying that people have people are in control of their own algorithms and they can are you kidding me

people are you mean like buying well i mean i think that tucker could be getting pushed harder that's i think what he's but tucker's big yeah but that's those secret so the whole the entire reason that I was going there is because I wanted to do this, what we're doing now. And they were going to amplify my presence on the platform. Right, right. So you can amplify who you want and you can suppress who you want. I'm not saying that they're doing that. But when I said, you don't, you don't know if those numbers are real, you don't know what they're doing with their algorithm. And, you know, for them saying, Don, we want you to come on the platform, we're going to, we're going to amplify your thing. We're going to give you, you know, this and we're going to do this. We're going to

do that. So I don't know. And I, listen, I don't, I know Tucker. I have nothing against Tucker. We've spoken a couple times. So I'm not saying anything shady about Tucker. I'm, you know, more power to him. But Tucker also has a much more concentrated and a bigger audience than I do. There are only so many places in mainstream media where conservatives can go and they feel like they're at home. It is. Why is that? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. why that is. But I know that in the spaces that I am now, it's much more conservative than mainstream media. It's interesting. That's interesting to me. That concept's interesting. Yeah. I think conservative felt like they didn't have a home in legacy media. So they sort of built a

new, they, they, they, they were the pioneers in streaming and online and podcasting. It's, it's interesting, though, because it's like, it's just the audience then. It's like, that's what the people are wanting. You see what I'm saying? Because I don't, I don't think it's just like, I don't think it's enough to be bodding like 30 million views on. Well, he didn't say Twitter, but yeah. Well, I think this. You said like Tucker did an interview with Putin after he got fired from Fox. Like he's, he kind of exploded once he got fired.

Well, yes. But, I mean, Tucker was had, I think was way more powerful in his on Fox News. I think Fox News is an engine for conservatism, right? So I think he had, listen, this is going to sound like I'm shading Tucker and I'm not. I think he had much more. relevance over the culture, much more influence, I should put that, say over the culture at Fox News than he does now on streaming. It doesn't mean that, you know, he doesn't have, you know, a lot of eyes on him. But an interview with Putin on Fox News would have had much more of an impact

than it had on Twitter. I just, I guess when I look at it, it's like it almost feels like, I don't know, the sort of, I guess in this conversation, the right side of things were just maybe more, kind of hidden, not, I guess I know, I think it had a big impact though. Yeah. I thought Putin was just boring. But I think it didn't say it didn't have a big big. Putin was boring in that interview though. Would have had a bigger impact. Listen, there is a legacy media shrinking. Cable news is shrinking. We know that. But there's still a cachet about television that streaming does not have yet. And you can say a million things on streaming. I could say, you know, same shit that I would say on streaming that I would say on CNN that would blow up you could say it on streaming and people

don't pay attention to it every content provider every YouTuber will tell you the same thing jank yugar will tell you the same thing david packman will tell you everybody will tell you the same thing that it's just television still has this sort of outsized influence in the culture yeah and and many people don't realize um that it's diminishing how did the whole x thing come about like did you reach out to them or they no he tweeted i want you to come on the platform several times do you regret how that interview went no i don't know i have very few i have no regrets i should say no i don't regret what uh can we go over what you wanted from x this is what i want it wait can i read

this tweet you can sell if it's so it's said if it's fake or not it's yeah i don't know i'm not saying it's accurate but a free cyber truck a hefty five million advance eight million salary, equity in X, control over news content policy changes, private jet to Vegas, luxury accommodations, and the company to cover day drinking and massages, which the last two I agree with for sure. Drinking and massages. Did they not want to cover drinking and massages? Let me just say this. So January, we were in dry January. Okay, so there's no. So that changes everything. There's no drinking. Yeah. So I wasn't drinking. So I'll just say to you that I may end up in litigation with them, so I don't really want to talk about it. But I will just say to you,

don't believe everything you read. And you would have to think. But what if the government said? Why would? It wasn't dry massage January, though. But listen. Sorry. I would say don't believe. I'm going to negotiate my next deal. Yeah, it's good. Don't believe everything you read. And you'd have to wonder, why would someone leak that? Yeah. Oh, nice to him. Why would somebody like that you know the most viral clip from that whole interview is is the ketamine question yeah what was the angle there i wanted to know why he used ketamine i didn't ask him about anything that he hadn't talked about publicly before yeah because even he he reacted in a way like wow that's really personal to ask about someone's like prescription if he hadn't talked about it i wouldn't

have asked about it he is um number one the main reason i asked is because he talked about SSRIs and that people should be looking at other things for depression and mental health than traditional, as you say, big pharma. And I agree with that. So I asked him about it. The other thing is that he has a lot of government contracts and clearances, and if he worried that that was going to possibly affect those. So he's a very consequential person to the world. So I think that that question was very much in line. And when he said to me...

Has he talked publicly about doing ketamine? Yes. Yeah, yeah, you... So when he said, listen, I said that because I think I'm paraphrasing, I want to take the stigma off of depression, and I believe that people... And I said, great, I suffer. Why just survive back to school when you can thrive by creating a space that does it all for you, no matter the size.

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And so I don't know why he became upset. Were you surprised about the backlash? you kind of got from that, like even in the comments? Yes and no. I was surprised that people were surprised that I was going to ask him pretty simple, basic questions. But I was also surprised that the response, most of the response, has been around capitalism. You had the opportunity for someone to make you really rich and you did that. And it's like, no, I'm not, I'm fine.

I have money. but I am nobody buys me I'm a journalist you hired me you didn't hire me he wasn't my boss it was like you we had a content deal a partnership

because of the work that I have done the work that you have seen you asked me to join this platform and so I want people to know about you and know about me and the people in my world are wondering why you feel this way about this why you put this out there and then you know our

second conversations could have been bro's drinking beer. But our first conversation could not be that. And so I was simply asking him about his own public statements. You could have started with the drinking beer first. Yeah. Yeah. Warm up a little bit. Maybe you crack a cold one first before you bust out. Can go straight to the K-hole. Oh, no. Yeah. Yeah. No, I said a drinking beer conversation. You usually have a drink with someone before you do ketamine with someone, right? No. At least that's what I've done. No. Yeah. No, I've never done ketamine recreationally to to me neither. Yeah. Yeah. Only once in Columbia. Yeah. Really?

Toosy? One time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, do I answer your question? I don't remember. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're talking to. Do what is it?

Do you have, like, you said, you asked me if I regretted it. Yeah, I didn't regret that. Nice. Makes you to say. What are you doing? What are you doing? Boys, boys, boys, boys, boys, what are we doing?

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FB! P.P! Yes! You take mushrooms while you're on SSRI? No. I didn't say I actively take mushrooms. I said I would much rather do mushrooms to do pot. So you weren't surprised. Such a safe answer, though.

And then I'm not. sure. I'm not sure. I don't think the thing that I'm taking is an SSRI. It is an antidepressant, but it's something different. Yeah. So you weren't surprised like the, like your comment section when you uploaded it was just like it's a lot of hate, like some of the comments. No, I got a lot of love too. Can I read? I don't. I don't really, let me just say this. Opinions are like everybody has one. And I never let that affect the work that I do. Yeah. I was just surprised that people were, um, that the biggest response from the Elon's sort of sycophants or our lovers was just, just that,

wow, you had the gall to ask the richest man in the world this. And you had the gall to someone who's going to make you a lot of money. That doesn't mean anything to me. What I'm doing is what I think is right and trying to get truth from someone and trying to get people to know who he is, know who I am, and to understand that people who have different worldviews can actually sit down and have a conversation. That was it. I respect that.

This one comments like, Don Lemon reminds me of my girlfriend when she's in a bad mood and is trying to find something totally irrational to get mad at me about. It's pretty funny. Stop. You got to find some humor. I don't know if that stuff, right?

That's crazy. If that was funny, I would, I don't mind, I don't mind criticism, but I don't get the. Yeah, you're like that one girlfriend's just trying to get something on you? Oh, you mean for the interview? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, okay.

That's funny. But see, I don't have a girlfriend. I have a husband. True. True. So I don't have to deal with that. Maybe it's just because I can't really like to that. Does he ever nag you sometimes though?

Like trying to get info out of you? Do I what? Does he ever nag you to get information out of you? No, he doesn't nag me to get information. But I mean, you know, the- Sometimes you're like, shut up, you know? No, I don't have to do that. I mean, maybe that's why I'm gay.

I don't have to deal with that. Oh, shit. We don't have, I mean, it's just like, you know, you're hanging out with your bro, but you know you're married. Being gay is a lot. I kind of like that. Yeah. You thought about that.

Except for the gay sex. Except for that part. I don't know. He might. He's a little questionable. Depend. No. Sometimes.

It's okay, bro. In the Khole, maybe. So what? Is there ever any menning the relationship with Elon? Yeah. Who knows? Maybe. I mean, I would talk to sit down and talk.

I have nothing against Elon. I wasn't trying to get Elon. It's like you asking me these questions. I'm not going to get up and run away and get mad and say, you can't, how dare you to air that podcast? I did not sign a release. I agree to come here and do it.

So why don't we get mad at you? We all respect that. Yeah. So I just think it's being like a baby. Because if I'm asking you about shit that you talked about. Yeah. I think he just, I think he should have maybe kissed his ass a little bit and got the bag personally.

Well, that's the thing. I'm surprised at that response. And I've actually heard some people who claim to be. journalists you could have been whipping in a cyber yeah i can i can i can i just cyber massage is first of all i don't want a cyber truck why not but did you ask for one or not anyways i i i was i answered that i don't want a cyber truck why not because i i'm not interested in a cyber truck oh damn what are you whipping right now what about the massages um what am i whipping right now a uh you got a porch taken no don't be don't be modest you got something

nice at the crib 100% do you want so i'll tell you what realistically yeah and what and what What do I have? And then you'll understand why I don't. That was not an interest of mine. I have a 1966 Lincoln Continental with suicide doors. Fire. What the fuck. In 1973, Mercedes Benz 220 gas, not diesel.

Nice. I have a 1987 board, what do you call it? Country Squire with wood panel sides. What else do I have? You seem pretty into cars. Dude, the concept of crazy. I like old cars. And then I have a, oh, and I have a 1969 Silver Shadow rolls.

Wow. Yeah. And then I just sold last summer an 87 Defender. Yeah. Nice. You're good tasting cars. Damn. Yeah.

What have you bought for your, your man's, anything? Well, he gets to drive all this. Oh, he just gets to drive him. Yeah. But, I mean, you know. Yeah. I know how it goes. He's a good life.

He's a good life. I'm going to get rid of a lot of those cars. I just want like two cars and maybe I'll get an electric car. Maybe I'll get an electric car. But not a Tesla. I have nothing against Tesla. I've actually rented Teslas before and they're nice cars to drive. They drive themselves.

Yeah. So again, I know people think that I had this person. I was going to go into business with Elon Musk. Obviously, I did not have anything against him. Yeah. And I wasn't like out like trying to needle him for things. Yeah. I just think that, you know, he got a bit flustered about not being able to answer some of the questions, and he took it out personally on me. And, you know, it's like, you know, I'm going to cancel your contract or I'm going to take my marbles and go home. Fine. That's just, you know, you can do it. Yeah. But do you, it's kind of a crazy concept, though, if you think about it, like he owns the platform. Yeah. Right. And he's like, you would never want to put out a podcast where you don't like the way you look on your own platform. I think that he would have gotten much more respect and much more credit if he's, you would.

just had taken it and said, you know, this is what I want this platform to be. I truly do believe in free speech. And even if it's uncomfortable and even if someone puts me in a position where I feel uncomfortable, this is what I want this platform to be. I truly believe. I agree with you, but I think if, let's say, it was me and you and I was Elon and I'm giving you the opportunity and then I felt shaded like that, I'd be like, what the fuck too? With like putting yourself in his shoes. Yeah. No. No. Because people come on and I have uncomfortable. conversations people challenge me when i was at cnn they challenged me and that was you know you're in my house yeah it's fine you can challenge me and now on my streaming show the donovan show can i

challenge you um people challenge me all the time like you know bossum challenged me today can i challenge you yeah challenge me but people do it on my own platform and i don't get mad and like run and say i'm not going to get off my show yeah okay so let's all over the internet you get like people like to say you have misogyny like you did make the Nikki Haley comments you say you don't regret anything I'm like what was what were you trying to I guess what I'm trying to say is like what did you mean exactly when you said well I think what people did you actually see the whole thing I know so I want to hear what I want to hear what you said exactly so what I was I'll tell you what I was trying to do

and that was take up for older people because I thought she was being ages and I thought that she was doing to older people what society has done to women for years right it's Discrimination. I also thought when she was saying that people should have to take a test in order to be able to run for officer to vote, that it was like a poll tax, which we outlawed, right? And so I was saying according to society or that a woman is out of her prime at a certain age, but a man as well. So I wasn't saying, and I said, nothing to do with physical appearance. No, not at all. And I said, I don't necessarily believe that, but no one picks up on that. And again, it was me being analytical and not. saying something that I personally believe. But I think that, you know, it touched a nerve for women because women are discriminated against in our society. So that's what, that's how I felt about it. But the thing, the thing about it is that I know her, you know, I don't know her well. She could have called me and said, hey, Don, what were you trying to say? But she immediately. Oh, so you guys talked? No, we didn't talk. But I've spoken to her before. I've interviewed her

before and I've run into her socially before. But, and she immediately, like, went and raised, and raised money off of it. And I just thought it was, she, it was just very hypocritical with her. If I, if I knew someone and they said something that I thought was, you know, that I, you know, what's like, looked left at them like, wait, what the fuck are you talking about? I would call them up and say, what did you mean by that before I went out and started slamming them? Yeah. Do you hate that you have that kind of reputation?

For what? Like being misogynist. I don't know if I had that reputation, but I'm definitely not a misogynist. The exact opposite, actually. I read something, too, which I think we agree. That's funny. I don't think there should be, when we talk about the NBA and WMBA, obviously men, I agree, think should get paid more.

I think women should also make more. But that's recently changing because Caitlin Clark's an absolute beast. What do you think about, so the head coach of South Carolina for the women's team said that she thinks that men like trans should be able to play this is a trans conversation now we've gotten into yeah he just went do i um see i just want to hear your thoughts on that because it's a wild thing she said that trans like trans women should be allowed to play and it just it actually pisses me off because women just had the most successful year ever they absolutely crushed it and now she goes and makes a comment like that which we had michael porter junior on recently and he

said dude any guy could go in there and i'd have 75 a game like Well, people might think that you're being misogynist by saying that. No, I'm saying that. I don't think that men should be a mental transition and compete women's sports. One, I think it's such a small part of the population, and I'm surprised by the sort of outsides. But it only takes one trans woman to get in there and fuck shit up. Yeah, right. So I'm surprised by the interest in this.

Do I think it's personally, do I think it's, um, do I think that how do I say this without sounding? I want to make sure that I say the right thing. Because the only thing that I do regret about the conversation that you, the whole Nikki Haley thing is that I'm a journalist and I should be more precise in my language. Yeah. That's it. Not about anything I said or feeling or being a misogynist because I'm not. Those too long. Do you think biological men should be able to play in women's sports?

I think that it should be studied. And but I do think that physically men, physically men are stronger and faster. For sure. than women. And so I have questions about it myself. Me personally, it's not for me to decide, but I think there is an inherent advantage when someone who plays in a women's sport and perhaps they are stronger. Do you think it's kind of, I think it's stupid that you even have to explain yourself like in that careful of words on a subject like that. Because of what he just, the question that he asked me before. No, I'm like defending you. Like I'm saying like,

yeah, that's bad timing about that. Don't you think it's crazy that we even. have to talk about that like how can we debate that biological men are playing in women's sports yeah and i know it's a small no you promise me i have a book that's coming out yeah the real question is why do you should read because i talk about a lot of these things and you're going to be really surprised when's it coming i actually feel about them when's it coming uh september okay and it's called huh it's called um i once was lost my search for god in america where i talk about d i talk about trans women and in and trans men in sports i talk about all of those things and you're you might be surprised about my actual feelings on it.

I do think that people have questions about it. As a member of the LGBTQ community, I have questions about trans issues, not just trans people in sports. What's the Q? What's the difference between Q and the G? Questioning. I think it's called questioning.

And then what's what the plus? What are you all questioning? What's what the, you guys just questioned him? Well, he's questioned. When are the math equations? Like, when is the plus and minus? Like, what's that?

There's a plus. I don't know. I guess, I think, I think what they're trying to do is be inclusive to all communities and yeah i always wondered like why do they group like gay people and trans people like i feel like it's because trans people not necessarily gay right i think it's for people who are part of i think the gay people are better spokesmen for the trans people because the trans people they're not that good at defending their own issues and it takes a gay person to come in and really defend them logically well i think that i think trans people are probably the most

vulnerable that's what i mean and the gay people always have to come and stick up for them and like going off what he's saying is I actually have heard from gay people that they're like we don't want to be grouped together because it's not the same thing It's totally separate issues. It's an issue among in the gay community and it's an issue among the trans community.

Some trans people believe that a lot of gay men are transphobic. I don't know that to be true. I don't have any scientific or non-scientific knowledge on that but that is a discussion among people who are in the gay and our LGBT community. I know, I was always wondering that, because I think it's just two separate things.

Look, I think the intention is good. Like, the intention is to look out for people who are maybe who have issues who are underserved in society, who are ostracized. And I think so it's trying to create an umbrella for all, like, you know, we were discriminated against. Like a safe haven for more people.

So we want to bring people in and try to protect them. I think the intention is good, but I do think sometimes you need to reassess things to do you think you can protect everyone do i think you can protect everyone sure i think you can protect everyone yeah in what way like how do you mean that just it just seems like we're always in this sort of battle of like protect this person protect that person don't protect this person more protect that person more it's like i feel like no one's safe well i mean the the you know the LGBTQ plus that's not a government right right but the government our government specifically now is very much

sides and does everything it can to sort of protect well i think you should protect people who, who, uh, people commit hate crimes against. Yeah. I think that there should be protected classes of people in our society. I mean, there are people who, you know, um, uh, discriminated against African Americans. There are people who discriminate against women. The people discriminate against, you know, Muslim people. They're anti-Semites in the world. And I think that people should be protected. There are certain groups that need protecting. I think the main thing people have with the trans issue is that they're teaching it in schools yeah and the sports things crazy well the sports things in absolutely insane i don't know if they're teaching it in schools

but i think they are i think there's some teachers that you never heard of the furries no they're telling kids that they could be like furries and like if the kids want to be raccoons they're like giving them litter boxes and stuff oh i i don't know about that thing it's going on search it up in seattle apparently but i mean i was i was told that i could be Superman growing up And so I wore a Superman costume and I ran around the house and thinking I could fly. True. You never able to fly? No.

And I, you know, jumped off the roof with the garbage cans. Did you guys ever do that? I feel like I'm trying to fly for sure. It doesn't work. But they do teach, they're teaching kids that they could be whatever gender they want. I don't have knowledge of enough knowledge to speak on that with. You didn't see the whole thing going on in Florida with what DeSantis just passed. The whole don't say gay thing or?

Yeah, but it was also the teaching of gender fluidity. like the books and all this stuff in school at the young age well i look i'm not a parent and again i don't have enough knowledge of that to speak on it with any sort of clarity um but i don't think that's anything wrong with you know kids having knowledge i don't i think that you know my parents protected me from things that i knew about before they knew that i knew about them and so i would rather telling them they could be whatever gender they want i would rather at a young age well yeah well you'd rather have that come from your parents not a teacher we all had very similar things so our parents did similar things my

parents told me i could be whatever i wanted when i grew up yeah but your parents telling you was different than like a teacher in a school my teacher told me i could be whatever i wanted when i yeah career wise not gender wise you said just in life yeah i mean we did not have gender discussions but i mean you think you know i should be there should be happening at such a young age well i mean i don't know i'm not i'm not an educator and so you'd have to ask someone who is an educator or someone who... No, I'm asking your opinion. Do you think that kids should be taught that at such young age,

given that they're so... Well, no one can teach you to be trans. Of course, but... No one can teach you to be gay. You either are, or no one can teach you to be straight. You just are. Right. But like, at a young age for children, right?

And in a sense where if we're saying, like, this is acceptable, everyone wants to kind of be accepting and be part of a community, right? Right. So at a young age, if you're a kid and there's a group of kids, we're all like, oh, I'm this or I can be this or they're learning who they are in the moment, like in real time. Like, you're the most susceptible. when you're young. So it's like if you're giving this information, your thoughts naturally go,

oh, that could be me. Just like you saw Superman. You're like, oh, I could be Superman. So now you're seeing this sort of like the book saying this and that and all these things where it's like it's fine to be these things. But at this age, should we be showing that where it's like, yes, those things are fine to be. But what if you're, like you're susceptible to saying, okay, this is, this is who I am because I see these, these books. And it's, this is, I'm just thinking this is who I am, even though I'm not really that yet. Look, it would depend on the age, But I got to tell you this, it's like, I don't believe that, you know, I don't believe as a whole that kids are being indoctrinated to any certain thing. I went to Catholic school my entire life. They taught us that being gay was an abomination. I ended up being gay. So it's not like they were like trying to force me to be gay. I ended up being the opposite thing of what they wanted me to be. So I don't think that just by having awareness of something that it indoctrinate you and it causes you to be that. that's fair

that's your response to that bro i mean it's a fair answer but i was going back to what you said this is not really on topic but i don't think teachers do that enough like telling kids they can be whatever they want to be yeah i think it actually school doing the head it makes you think you can't do that

but maybe that's just too personal that's not a personal that's not a really personal you took them to a dark place a few of my teachers will say that dude i'm just saying you can go on we can move

on. You're so funny. So do you like the social media life? Do you like the international? Yeah, I do. I love it because I can say whatever I want. Cool. I like being able to build an audience. I like being, I like creating a community and building a community. I like that there are no rules. Wait, but it's crazy when you say you can say whatever you want. So before you couldn't say whatever you want, because earlier we were talking about you could. Yes, I could say whatever I want. And I did. But what I, the difference is, is that when you, I'm responsible for myself now. Okay. So I feel like I have more of a freedom to say whatever I want because if something happens,

if someone, you know, gets mad at me, if an advertiser wants to pull something, it's me. When I worked in traditional media, I represented an entire company. I represented a brand. I represented 4,500 other people who worked for that company. Right. And so it wasn't just me. So again, I was looking out for my fellow person, my fellow people. And so I didn't want to say anything that would cause them to.

harm also i had to remember that we had people who were in very dangerous parts of the world and i did not want to cause them harm and um and put their lives in danger how did how was that environment working you said like 4,500 other people like it seems like it'd be pretty toxic working for a media network like that um no it was toxic no i thought it was a great experience so you enjoyed it yeah which would you choose like what do you prefer now i prefer what I'm doing now. Yeah, it's way better on this side. You have all the freedom, dude. Ask me in a year or two when, you know, when I've grown my platform to millions of people, when I've, when I've fine-tuned it and perfected it, now it's just all experiment. I'm just trying things. And if it

works, I do it. If it doesn't work, then I don't do it. And if it doesn't work, I don't go, oh, my God, that didn't work. And it didn't work and get enough clicks or enough views. It doesn't really matter because that's how, that's how you learn. Yeah. You learned, though. You clip farming. Yeah. That kind of mean question was a clip farm. Yeah, he got one. What was your take on the whole daily wire letting go of Candace Owens? That was crazy, I think.

So here's the thing. Like, I will watch people who I don't necessarily agree with them politically and their worldview, if they're good performers, right? Yeah. Like, I think, and if they're passionate, like, I hardly agree with anything that Ben Shapiro says, but he is. is passionate about what he does and he's a great performer and he's really smart. But I don't agree with whatever, whatever, a lot of what he says. Same thing about Elon. I didn't agree with, you know, most of what Elon puts out on Twitter.

But, you know, I think he's consequential to the world. So I don't just watch people who I agree with. Like I used to, I know it's going to sound weird. I used to love watching Bill O'Reilly because I thought he was a great performer. I used to love watching Megan Kelly because I thought she's a great performer. I don't agree with. hardly anything that they say. Do you think Tucker is a good performer?

I think, um... We had Tucker on here. He's pretty good at performing. He's great, dude. He said if he could get dinner with any news person, like any, if you're in a list, it would be you. Yeah, I know. So I think Tucker is a very bright person, very smart person.

I'm quoting him. He said the opposite about you. But yeah, he calls me dumb. I know that. I'm just quoting him. I don't believe that. I'm aware, but you can't, I, I am not easily offended. I'm not.

not easily triggered that way. So, you know, I'm not going to go, oh, Tucker's talking about me. Tucker was talking about me and I would laugh about it. You call me Don Lamont and I was just laugh about it. I didn't think it was personal. Anyway, a lot of stuff he says, I think is reprehensible. But is he a good performer? I think he's a decent performer. But I think he's also very smart. And I also think he knows his audience. We bonded with him over sins. Do you ever pack bombs? Like Zins? No. Or not? No. Like Upper Dexter. Oh, no, no, no. Okay, so I'm from Louisiana.

I was, but I just don't like chew. Is it like, is it like, yeah, no, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not interested in that. Yeah. So, what do I think about it? I think that Ben is really smart and has figured out his way what he's doing in digital media, but I think Candace is a bigger star. And I think Candice is going to be okay. may end up on a bigger platform. It's probably a good thing for her that she's no longer on that platform because then

she'll have to figure it out for herself. And I think in figuring it out for herself, she's going to become bigger. I don't, again, I don't agree with hardly anything she says. Every once in a while I'll go, Candace, wow, hit the nail on the head. Like sometimes she says shit that's really on point. Most of the time she says stuff and I'm like, I don't know what she's saying about. What's your biggest disagreement with her? I don't know.

You'd have to think about it. You'd have to give me specific examples. I don't, you know. And it doesn't mean, I would sit down and have a conversation with her. I would sit down and have a conversation with Tucker. I'm not afraid to have a conversation with anyone. Why don't these happen?

But I'm not going to talk. I don't want to go into a space as I told. I spoke to you. Who does me do you? That where someone is just, people are just going to attack me just to attack me where it's personal. Like I've seen some podcasters just attack me on personal things, things aren't true. I'm not going to do that. It's not worth my time. Yeah, that makes

So who we voting for this year? Who am I voting for this year? Like who, yeah, who we all. Well, this is something that I could not do when I worked at CNN. Who am I going to vote for, Joe Biden? Why? Because I think he's doing a, not I think he's doing, because he's doing a good job for the country. I think that he, I love what he's done for prescription drugs for people. I love that that he is improving the economy. I love that we have even though there. Is he improving the economy? Yes, he is. This economy is better than that's better than that Trump economy. I know that's tough to hear, but it's a truth. Isn't inflation and like gas prices through the roof? Yeah, but the economy is so good. I mean, look at the economy that he inherited from Donald Trump. Donald Trump inherited

Well, because that was during COVID. Well, okay, but still, that's a reality. It's reality. Yeah, but Donald Trump inherited like you said, that was a crazy time. Donald Trump inherited an economy. That was once in a life. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's your words. Okay. Donald Trump inherited an economy that was on fire, right? And then did not do well. Well, COVID, though. COVID was a big part of it, but still, that's a reality. And so he has taken a COVID economy, which was terrible by your own admission.

But he can't even stand up. But it doesn't matter. We had a, that matters. No, it doesn't matter. Let me tell you why. Other world leaders see him and they think he's weak. We had a president was in a wheelchair. Well, he should get in a wheelchair.

We have, there are leaders in other countries who. who are not, don't have the physical. He should just stop taking the stairs, right? What about? Are you guys going to let me answer the question? Sorry, sorry. Go ahead. Get the on an escalator.

Yeah, I think that, so I think that you are, again, I think you're being agist, which was what I was trying to defend old people from the whole Nikki Haley comment. I think that you're being agest. I think that Joe Biden is a fine president. He's doing great things for the country. I really do. Is he perfect? No.

Is he perfect on immigration? Can he improve? Yes. Was the Afghanistan pullout, you know, not. good, yes. Horrible. But every president has good and bad moments. And so I think in this moment now, I would rather a president who believes in democracy and in the Constitution rather than someone who says, when I get in office, I'm going to, you know, I'm going to go after my political enemies. I, you know, I would prefer, you know, a president who did not incite an insurrection.

I would prefer a president who did not have 84 charges against him and, you know, who didn't have cases and who didn't, you know, so that's... But the Biden's had cases on them and people just cover them up, like the Hunter Biden laptop. Hunter Biden is not the president. Hunter Biden has no influence on culture at all. He's not blown to the White House. He's got to have some influence. Stuff happening in China, you know. And I don't think, look, Hunter, Hunter Biden is an issue.

Right? He's obviously a troubled person. I want to party with him. Don't get me wrong. But he has no influence on culture. There's no influence on government. He's, you know, it's interesting for the news media and for the right wing to, you know, talk about. It's interesting palace intrigue, but it means nothing. I just think we can't have a president that can't speak. Oh, yeah, that's one. We can't. Don, we can't.

But here's the thing. You can find instances of Donald Trump not being able to speak. No, he's a great speaker. He's a great speaker. Wait, but can I tell you one thing? I've talked to him personally. He's a good speaker. I've talked to him personally, I know, but he has his moments. I know him personally.

I know Joe Biden personally. If I, I prefer someone who's going to put good people around him and who's smart enough to do that. The man is doing a good job. He is arthritis in his spine. So he's a little trouble walking. Okay. Still a good person.

He's got arthritis in the brain, I think, too, or something. Well, here's the other thing. I don't agree with that. With the power of social media, right? The only things you ever see on Joe Biden, only things, him falling off the bike, falling up the stairs and losing his thoughts. Like, are you on that side of Twitter? What I'm saying is social media is so powerful.

You guys need to go history. Go back in history and look at Gerald Ford. S&L would do comedy sketches on Gerald Ford falling over and tripping because he tripped a lot. He fell down. This is not the first time that this has happened. That's a, no, but what I'm saying? Yeah, but it doesn't work.

Would you rather someone who falls down or someone who is going to blow up the country? How is Trump going to blow up the country? How is he going to blow up? I don't mean literally block the country, but you know what I mean. Someone who tries to overturn elections. Come on, guys. Stop.

There's so much I could say about us. The Democrats denied when Trump won, too. I'm not a Democrat. I'm saying you are, but I'm saying they did that they did the same thing. Did what? When Trump beat Clinton, they tried to say it was rigged. Hillary Clinton still says it. When Trump beat Clinton, Hillary Clinton conceded and stepped off the stage.

She still says to this day that there was something like with it. But she didn't try to overturn the election. She didn't say the election was stolen. Yeah, I don't know about the rig situation, but I personally think Trump, as a leader and what's going on in the world right now, I feel like he's better to handle world leaders than Biden. And no other world leader respects Biden. Like, I think Biden's going to bring us into war. That's complete. You're wrong on that.

What? I think every world leader respects Biden. Biden is a diplomat. Biden has been around and he knows diplomacy and foreign policy like nobody's business. The only person who's probably better on foreign policy than him or equal is Hillary Clinton. But they're just such war mongers. You don't think Republicans are warmongers? Republicans historically have been, but not Trump.

Really? Yeah. Like old Republicans, like Bush era and all that. Bolton and. Yeah, I'm saying Trump. Cheney and Republicans. Yeah. I think, I mean, Trump was a peaceful president, was he not?

Like he didn't start any wars? I'm being serious yeah I'm being serious yeah I'm being serious well yeah but who what wars have we started I mean we're funding Ukraine okay we're trying to help we're trying to help we pretty much like we're behind that war we're just not on the ground we're trying to help a country that was attacked I mean I mean but so but that is starting a war

what so can you imagine what would happen in the region if if Ukraine's allies would allow them just to be taken down? Do you understand the instability that that would cause the world? It's the reason that people, it's the reason we have the foreign policy that we do with Israel is because imagine Israel not being there. Do you know that with the instability it would cause in that region? It's not just about funding award. Now, I have questions about where my money is going, but I understand why that money is going there. There's a reason. Do you think historically we've always been on the right side of these things?

Historically, what? Do you think historically we've always been on the right side of these? We've always been on the right side. Like the United States? Yeah. No. Look at Vietnam, no. Yeah.

Look at, you know, Iraq. No. No weapons of mass destruction. You don't think these are the similar kind of things that we're getting or something involved in. So it's just like the industrial arms and money and all the stuff that comes along with it. We're not sending troops to Ukraine or. Oh, they're buying weapons.

We're selling weapons. It's a massive thing. I mean, it's a money thing. That's why when I talk about all these things, even the COVID, it just seems like it's, it's about money. And it's like, are we doing the right thing? We live in a capitalist society. For sure. Yeah, but like at the expense of just life, right?

Yeah. But I mean, if those, if you allowed Ukraine and Israel to go away, you would have a much different feeling. You would be saying, I can't believe that Joe Biden didn't save Ukraine and Israel because now look at what we're in. There's a whole World War III. going on in the Middle East and then Russia is taking over the rest of the world and they're going to you'd have a whole different feeling about it. I guess it just feels weird sometimes when it's like like we're constantly doing things outside of our country when our country seems to be needing help in a lot of ways as well. And I know a lot of people feel that way where it's like,

why are we constantly getting involved in other things? We're getting involved in other things because we're and I agree with you. But we need to take care of a lot of things at home. I agree with with that. But we are the richest country in the world and we are the biggest democracy. So people hold us to a higher standard and we hold ourselves to a higher standard. Should we be doing more for people at home? Sure, probably. But can we afford to help other people? Yeah. And should we help other people in other countries, especially democracies? Yes. Yeah. It just doesn't see like Biden can physically compete with other world leaders. What do you like if they have the box? I want to be able to speak properly.

Yeah, if they had a box. He can't speak. The falling, we could deal with. Okay. You can't even read off a teleprompter. He's feeble for sure, right? Fine. He reads like the periods on the teleprompter and stuff.

I want you to go and look. I want you to watch a Trump teleprompter. I've watched a lot of Trump speeches. He's not good. He's amazing. He doesn't read well. You went to one in person, no? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. He is, he is a good. He's funny and he stands in front of. a crowd when he's on and he does this thing. But he can't read a teleprompter. He's not good at reading teleprompter. I know you've seen the Biden sniffing.

Trump is good at stream of consciousness. You know, look, I'm doing this for you because if they do this to me, they can do it to you. And I'm the only thing between you and saving the world. He's good at that. He's just talking about it. And the reason he's good at it is because he doesn't have to rely on facts. And he is not the president. anymore, right? So people aren't looking to him to, you know, he could say,

Joe Biden could say something that potentially could start a war. So you have to be careful with your words. And sometimes in order to do that, maybe you speak a little slowly. He also has. So you think he speaks good, Biden? No, I didn't say. A little slowly. No, Biden is, Biden has, he's always spoken with the, God, what do I think? Not, I've just, see? He doesn't. I can't remember. You pulled the Biden there. I just put a button.

I haven't had much, much, much sleep. You're good. You're an amazing speaker. Yeah. Yeah, but Biden has always had trouble speaking. Biden has always said things, you know, he has a stutter. That's the word I'm looking for. He's not a stutter, though.

He does, he has a stutter growing up. Every time. He taught himself to speak without stuttering. That is an issue. That is a fact. He has a stutter. He's always had issues speaking. It looks like he loses his thought a lot.

Yeah, I just lost my train. Do you ever lose your train of thought? You're allowed to do it once in a while, though, but his brain just shuts down. You could see it shutting down. I think you watch too many YouTube. No, I just see it all the time. That's what I was saying is you only see those clips on social media. Everyone's allowed to get away with it once in a while.

Yeah, but I think you're, you watch a lot of far right wing. I don't. I actually don't. I don't watch criticism. And you're on social media and you're looking at clips of him or people who are highlighting it. It's the same thing that people. It had happened so much. It's the same thing that people.

Did you ever watch? me on CNN? Yeah. You did. Okay. But most people who had were critical of me who are have never watched me. They've only watched Tucker talking about me or Hannity and clips that were taken out of context or snippets or things that are on social media. They had no idea of what I actually said or did on the network. So I feel like you're doing that a little bit with Biden. You are welcome to your opinion about him, but I don't think that he is in cognitive decline and that he's going to, you know, just keel over at any moment. I just don't believe that. I mean, anybody can die at any moment. Anybody can have a heart attack. But so can Trump. So can, you know, RFK. So, you know.

True. Would you be pretty upset if Trump won? No. I would not be upset. I would be concerned. I would hope that because he pushed our the levers of democracy. He pushed the limits of our democracy. And, you know, I think the first time was a little bit scary. We survived it. I think we probably would survive another. I believe that we would survive another Trump presidency. But I would be a bit nervous about what he would do in office,

considering what he's actually saying. What would be your biggest? What project 2025? Have you studied Project 2025 where what he says he wants to get rid of the Department of Justice, the FBI, and all kinds of things they want to make, they want to make illegal, all kinds of crazy things. He wants to be able to use the National Guard to, you know, solve things between American citizens. It's a little nutty. Making porn illegal would be wild.

They might need to do that. That might be the only solution. We got to talk, Trump. Yeah, we want to talk. have a chat. Yeah. Why take that away from us? I mean, it's, I don't know. It's a mess my head up. It's a folks who are behind him. I'm not sure how much he has to do with it, but you think, former, former addict. I'm reformed. Do you think poor? You don't watch any more? Yeah, no at all. Do you think it's a net positive for society? Like it should not be?

I have no opinion on it. Well, you just said that he was going to get rid of it and it's like, it was as if it was a bad thing. I'm just saying that was, that's one of the things. He knows what our audience is going to be pissed at, right? He knows how to sway the right wing voters. Yeah. I'm just saying. That's like, I mean, look, we did, who was on the stand yesterday? A star.

Yeah. You're talking about the trial stuff with Trump. Yeah, Stormy Daniel. So, you know, as part of the culture, but I have no, I have no opinion on. Have you and Trump ever went super head to head? Yeah. I've interviewed him a number of times. But usually, you know, what is the craziest time you would say?

It wasn't. If you go back and look at our interviews, they were tough I think he took much tougher questions than Elon and he still came back for interviews but once he became the nominee and he actually

we had to really question him on facts and things that he said he wouldn't come back on the network. What's the craziest thing he ever said to you? He said on my show about Megan Kelly that she had blood coming out of her wherever Oh, that's a legendary one.

Yeah, that was on my show. And then he said about people coming across the border people. And I said, you know, and I, whatever it was, I refuted it. And I gave him the thing. And he goes, who's doing the wrong on? Somebody's doing that. And so we were like, oh, what else did he say to me? He said, I'm the least racist person you ever want to meet.

When I asked him point blank, was he racist? What else? Um, there's a lot of stuff. I just, the thing is, is that you can ask Donald Trump anything. Yeah, he's, he's more of an open book. It's all in how you ask him. Yeah. All he has to do is compliment him and then ask him the question. Right. He would answer.

I can't remember the percent, but hasn't he gained a huge amount of support from the black population recently? No, I mean, I think he is gained. I think his support, I think it's among, um, black men. I think his support has gone up, but, uh, not among black women. Okay. So in general, in speaking in generalities. But who knows how much, just because someone says they like him, doesn't mean that they're actually going to vote for him. Sure.

Those are two different things. What's your take on the border situation in his take on it? It depends on what aspect you're asking. Like, is it important to have the border? Of course. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that, you know, we're in a place now where we really need to, we need immigration

reform. and our system can't handle the number of people who are coming across the border. So we've got to figure that out. I don't know what the answer is. I don't think the answer is like a physical wall. I think it's, you know, it has to do with legislation. And maybe it's more manpower, but, yeah. Yeah, we've heard crazy stuff from Dr. Phil.

I remember about just people coming in. Wait, what was he saying? I remember Dr. Phil was talking about how, like, he spoke to a border agent who just, they're told they just can't do some things, even though they should be. Like, and, like, the kids are just coming through and, like, being used to traffic. Remember that at the end of the Dr. Phil pod? I think it's, I think you said something like they write a number. On the kids, yeah. And, like, they knowingly are they're sending them to places where, like, they know they're going to be traffic then.

It's like they're not allowed to technically stop it. I don't know how much you know about that situation or? No, I don't really know about that. traffic and it's not my thing obviously there should people should not be extra I just for me um my heart goes out to the kids because there are people who you know bring their kids across the border and go back because they want them to have a better life and I feel for anyone who yeah it's like it's so fucked up over here go to America the land of milk and honey and have a good life like my heart goes out to the kids for that

yeah you haven't seen this guy on the internet recently no he caught he caught a predator live on stream oh wait Whoa. What the fuck? Did that was, I heard something about that. Yeah. What happened? He found. You tell him. Yeah, I was there, obviously. My boy is viral right now. I guess. So Vitaly is a streamer who like sets up these sort of like, I don't know, it's not Chris Hanson type video, but it's where like you're, they're sort of, I guess baiting people who are, uh, offenders who are, I guess they're not registered yet, but there are people who have been like contacting and interacting with like underage kids or thinking that they are. And we just. were randomly in L.A. somewhere downtown. And it's just so happened to be some guy who was, I guess. Screenwriter, he worked on like multiple big movies. So he's a big Hollywood guy. And I just, I don't, I didn't know anything of it except for like, you see the text interaction with

the person that they believe to be like of a certain age, 15 in this case is girl. And then you just kind of pull up and you're like, what are you doing essentially? And you're trying to like call the police, but the police kind of like, oh, we're can't do much about it. I remember seeing something online like similar to that but I like it was it was a thing that said this guy caught this kid caught this man chris hanson style or something but it was on social media like something that i was flipping through yeah that was you yeah yeah apparently everyone talked i didn't know that was so viral it's like isn't it kind of a wild concept like they're live streaming it this is what creators are doing now it's a good thing but yeah there's some good things the world's welcome to digital

world they're crazy you're on this side now if you want to jump in the next stream we could probably set that up yeah wait what are you streaming catching the predators wait do you guys have a catching the predator stream well that's what he did was i did he was the special guest i was a guest one of our friends who does this oh he was like you want to come do it i was like yeah i'll come do it i'll show up and that's what happened it was just random it wasn't like we specifically found the person and the person just so happened to be someone who was you know um i guess yeah hook me up i'll do it that'd be cool That would be insane.

Damn. I'll go with you. Hey, Vital, you owe me for that one straight up. That'd be crazy. You guys wouldn't be afraid to be with me. There are a lot of people. You were talking about the hate online. There are a lot of people in these spaces who don't like me.

I think people would really appreciate and respect it if you did it. Why do you think people don't like you? Because they don't know me. And they have an idea about me that is based on what my critics say about me. And they, you know, they saw the Elon Interested. interview and and yeah the Elon one was just because of the way he he reacted they think like I'm some you know ogre or mean person I'm not yeah it's not I'm not even like I said I'm not a Democrat I'm not a Republican either so what are your actual thoughts on Elon as like a person as I said

I think he's very consequential to the world I think he's done some really good things for the world but I don't think that he is um beyond account he should be held accountable for certain What do you think he's doing wrong with X? Everyone has to answer to someone or to something. What do you think he's doing wrong with X? Or just in general speaking. So I thought that I got off of Twitter because I thought it had become toxic. I think that Twitter now.

Pre-Elon or post-Elon? That's when you got off? Yeah, I got before him. Right. And then I had someone do it for me because I just couldn't anymore. It become so toxic. And then once he did it, it just has become like a cesspool for far-right conspiracy theories and racism.

and misogyny, and it's just, I can't. But, you know, I thought that he truly wanted me to do what he said on the platform, but it turned out not to be so. So it is what it is. Apparently, he's happy with the platform being a far right place that's, you know, what do you think he should do better with it? I think he should, I think he should moderate the platform. Every platform that moderates does well, does better.

And I don't know how long. He has a lot of money. So I'm sure he could probably fund it for a while. Because I think he said it not to make money, right? He wants to make it free speech. Look, and I don't know the particulars of the financials. So don't, you know, take this with a grain of salt. But at a certain point, creditors are going to come calling about their investment into Twitter or X.

And so something's going to have to happen with that platform. And I think that it would be better, and he'd have more people and more advertisers. Because I think it would be a real shame for the platform just to go away, right? Or just to become, which is what it's becoming, which is sort of a niche platform for the right. I think it would be better if he moderated the platform. And that doesn't mean, you know, violating people's right to free speech, which honestly, it doesn't apply to Twitter because it's not a government and institution. But do you think that it's because it seems. like it's become this sort of like right wing thing because every other platform is so highly

moderated yeah like that's why we're having this conversation about it is like if we just moderated like all the other ones have been moderated then it's it just like before we told you about the COVID era thing we couldn't talk about anything if it wasn't in line with what we all know what happened to threats but I think that those other platforms are doing well I mean yeah but financially doing well in the difference of like financially doing well and that is doing well because they because meta has meta is moderating conspiracy theorists and and people who are there just to offend people and people who have as I call internet brain or social media brain where they think everything is a fight and everyone has to own someone I'm going to own the lives I'm going to

own this conservative I'm going to I'm going to you know talk shit about trans people that's not like it doesn't have to be that that's internet for sure and And so I think Twitter always had that. So again, I told you it was toxic before, but they, at least they had advertisers. At least that it was financially they were doing okay, not great. But, you know, other platforms are actually thriving financially for a reason because they have moderation. I think Twitter is kind of slowly becoming that platform that like even us were creators and like X slowly day by day is becoming actually more enticing. for us and our audience because they don't moderate stuff and it's kind of like when we're talking about COVID it's like who decides what you can and can't say right I think I'm not talking about extremes right but I think if someone puts something you know offensive like depicting you know Jews as like big nose and what it's like why does that need to be there why does that just like

freedom of speech that is a poor excuse for it's just like where do you draw the line then right I think what he said was at laws, what's legal. I think that that's a cop-out. I think you draw the line because you can- Where do you draw it? You can entice people to become shooters, mass shooters, by being indoctrinated through social media. They admit that in their own manifestos.

So I think that you can put together a group of people or there could be a group of people at X who sit down and actually decide that. And I think that you can do that within reason. Either you're going to have the Wild Wild West where you're not going to have any, you know, no restrictions, or you're going to moderate it. And if you're, if you are, if you're going to have moderation, then you have to abide by your own content rules. I think they moderate based on law though. No, you should go and read the content rules on, on Twitter. And if you don't, if you can't know where to find them, go on to a post that you don't necessarily like and try to report it.

And then they'll give you all the reasons for what should not be on Twitter. And that's making fun of a protected group, la, blah, blah, blah, hate speech. It'll tell you all of that. And that's their own rules. So if you're not going to abide by those rules, why do you have them? Don't pretend to have them when you're not going to abide by them. Just say, this is the Wild Wild West and we are going to put everything up there except for stuff that's illegal.

So you wouldn't have a problem if they did that? Or you still wouldn't like it? I wouldn't like it, but at least it would be transparent. It wouldn't be hypocritical. I like how they're making it. You can kind of say whatever you want. I mean, I'm not reading hate speech shit and stuff like that, but from our point of view, too,

it's like you can kind of put out there and you can say some stuff that you can't say on other platforms. I like it. I like it as well, being able to say whatever you want. But I don't want to, oh, I got to go, guys. I have a 5 o'clock show. I'm sorry. Oh, good, yeah.

No, we appreciate you coming through. Much respect for coming through. Did we do okay or were we? You guys are challenging, but I liked it. Yeah, cool. I have no, you know, I'm not afraid of tough conversations. Yeah. Well, thank you, man.

Yeah, we appreciate you. Thank you so many names or anything. Thank you, guys. Thank you, brother.