FULL SEND PODCAST - Elon Musk x Nelk Boys | Ep. 53

Episode Date: August 5, 2022

Elon Musk Reveals His Knowledge on Aliens, Challenges Putin to UFC, and Predicts WW3 Presented by Happy Dad Hard Seltzer. Find Happy Dad near you http://happydad.com/find (21+ only). Video is available on http://youtube.com/fullsendpodcast/videos. Follow Nelk Boys on Instagram http://instagram.com/nelkboys. Part of the Shots Podcast Network (shots.com). You can listen to the audio version of this podcast on Spotify, Apple Podcasts & anywhere you listen to podcasts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We want out, we want out, we want out, we want out. All right, I can't believe this is happening, but it's going fucking down. It's going down. In I guess 16 minutes, Elon Musk is pulling up to the fucking Full Send podcast. Round of a crazy. Round of applause? We got to do a round of a plus. This is a huge podcast.

Everyone's watching at home. You guys are fired up. We're fired up. Elon Musk. John Sheidi. Shout out to John. Yeah, thank you. But like, what a fucking, we're going to tell the story, too.

So we got Saleem here, we got Steinie here, and we got President of Fulsen, John, sitting in on this episode. Steve could not be here. And this episode is pretty much dedicated to him, too, because he's a huge Elon fan. His channel was fucking permanently deleted by YouTube. Literally, probably 12 hours ago. we landed in Texas and we literally found out that his channel

was being fucking deleted and he was so he was supposed to be on this pod and he just said yo guys I can't just can't really do it right now I'm just not in the mood but

it was the ultimate mind fuck because we landed we had two texts one from YouTube that the channel's being permanently deleted and one from Elon confirming the podcast

so we're like wait a minute yeah I know right freaking out here or we fucking devastated it was a mind fuck shout out Steve though How long his channel run for?

Two years? Three years? He's been gone since, Kyle's posted. They got me emotional. 2018. 2018 was first. I think he was at 4.7 something million people. I'll tell you 5 million subs too, which is crazy.

I got some stats. Crushing the game for that long, grinding. Steve worked fucking hard. You know that, too, on his videos. He'd do whatever it takes. One thing about Steve, too, is people just think he's all an entertainer, but that guy gets shit done. He doesn't make excuses.

No, he works hard as fuck. he doesn't sleep he gets to the finish line right and that's why i think his channel got to where it got to check out these stats i got today steve will do it and how many years two years of the channel two three years all right gave away 32 cars 52 watches three houses over one million dollars in us cash over three million dollars in paces how many cars 32 you said one of them's mine one of them salim's yeah i have one one of them stymie but it got taken back i gave that one we gave that one away but i have one of those watches taking back to yeah i i i didn't do the net amount okay well that's all yeah you know

but um but yeah it's just crazy i mean that was very shocking to us and we're just i just i just can't believe it bro like i just it's pretty fucking wild no that'd make me cry if my i'd be crying i'd be i'd be terrified that so we got to crush this episode for steve yeah big elon fan yeah and honestly shout out him for fucking continuing to be edgy not giving a fuck like it takes balls to do that shit it was like the Trump episode right yeah it's the same I mean I think it's just the reality

of the world now is that you know we got to build our own shit we're working on it pretty crazy though no if you think about it man getting Donald Trump Elon must now I mean like possibilities are endless like we're only

had a million subs on full set podcast Dana White twice Dana White twice do we know what episode number this is like Ricky Fowler Ricky Fowler was huge Ricky Fowler was a huge one Ocho Sinko too Good line, good line, good land

Ricky's Don't throw shade it, Ricky Shadows to Stani for Before we get into Elon Musk Shout out to Stony for landing Ricky Fowler And for the record I've had a few others That are big names that we've canceled on Fair?

Who? Stiney almost made us do YK Osiris Oh, dude YK's funny YK is funny YK no, we canceled on Whiz Califa canceled on

Whiz would have been good Whiz would have been good. Whiz is fire. And we rescheduled Wiz for this, by the way. That's fine. Not just for the hell of it. Well, we can't tell them a couple times. But also Lana Rhodes, which would have been good.

That's more a YouTubey. Yeah, but still. This is a full cent podcast. I mean, the list goes on. I don't want to waste so much time with that. But those are a couple of them. Yeah, this is crazy. John, how did this initially go down?

How did you get his email? Well, John, we'll tell the story. We'll tell it when Elon gets here. I don't know Elon for nine years now. 2013 are you guys boys we're cool i mean he you always takes here i mean we run into to each other sometimes here and there and first name basis yeah it's fucking lit um no what what do you mean first what else like he like does he dab you up or bro no but does he dab you up or handshake i've seen up i'm or is it just like a quick props and keep it moving no no no no it was one time

i saw him at uh delilah uh of all places he was at delilah in west hollywood and he saw me he He came out of his table. I didn't want to go because I don't want to bother him. He was with his family. And he's like, what are you doing here? I was like, I was there with a friend. So you guys should come sit over here. We hung out and we were out to like 2 a.m.

Do you see one of his baby mamas? I don't remember. How long ago was this? It was like maybe like 2018. 2018. So how long ago, you've had his email since. You've always had him on email. And his phone number.

What's that? And his phone number too. but you hit him over email yeah yeah so how did what when did you first hit him on email how long ago for the pod for the pod i want to say i hit him um hit him like i think like shortly after the trump episode i sent him the trump episode that's persistence did he responded he did what he said he said not yet but let's he's like but let's you know some maybe i think he said like maybe sometime in the future but i wasn't like no it was like not yet like you know the first time he reached out to him he literally was like, I'm down but not now.

And then how many times till now did you like message him in between? Like tell the story. Like five times. What different stuff did you say? So I sent that one, sent him some of the press about us and, you know, the episode being taken down by YouTube because I know he's all about censorship as well. So you're just constantly updating him on what we're doing. Yeah, but I think the big one actually that I sent him recently was I did the money buys happiness. podcast, the new full send podcast. And there was a clip in there when I told the Bieber story

and I sent him this. I was like, yo, check out this, like, you know, story that I told in this podcast would love to have you on ours. And that's when he wrote back, I forgot the wording, but he wrote like, we could get that done soon. And that's when I was with you. I was like, and you're like, well, tell him this weekend. And I was like, this weekend, he's like, well, I don't know if I'm be in Texas or in Florida. And I said, well, how's Monday? Where will you be on Monday? He says, most likely, Texas.

So we'll be there. I dropped a little Sammy's birthday. I was like, don't, no, if you remember my brother Sammy, but it's his birthday that day, too. This will be really good. I dropped a little bit of that too. They rolled back. Very cool. Text me the day of.

I'll give you an address. Be intimidated by this guy, though. Elon Musk? Just because it's like. Low-key, too. With someone who's so much smarter than all of us, it's just fucking intimidating. Is that fair? You heard what Joe Rogan said?

No. He said, Joe Rogan said you feel like a stupid person talking to him. Like you feel like you're not like on his level of smartness. Nobody is, bro. I don't, like you feel stupid talking to like Elon because of how intelligent he is, you know? Who's more impressive than this guy in the world? I don't think there is. Not many people. Not many. He's impressive because he's all, he's smart. He's also funny as fuck, man. Like his Twitter is so funny. But one thing I didn't know about him is like he likes the party and wheel. I did not know too. I didn't know he had nine baby mom i feel like that's kind of common with that true is that true i thought he was just like a pure nerd but he's like no no no no he's cool he's a beauty yeah i think the thing is when

you're that successful when you're that stressed out that's kind of your getaway is fucking partying right yeah go talk about trump yeah how a senior boy trump yeah it was dope we saw Trump at Live. Yeah, he came up to us. Or he's like, where's the Nelk Boys? Yeah. Live Golf. Not Live Miami.

Oh, not Live Miami. No, no, Live Golf. We saw him at Live Golf. It's funny to see him there. And he's like, where's the Nelk Boys come here? Like, I want to get some fame and shit. Really? So funny.

The best thing he's ever said is, you didn't fold, bro. I didn't know, like, politicians said that. I thought that was more of like a rapper thing. It is pretty still. It's still nerve-wracking talking to Trump, though. It is. Like, seeing him again. He said the same thing, though, about not folding when we golf with him in L.A.

a couple months ago. I think we got to get, we got to start being the connectors with these pod too, with this pod. Like, we could start connecting people. Like, I feel like one day we got to get Trump and Elon on at the same time. That'd be insane. We could start lighter. Kodak and Trump. Kodak and Trump. We need to do like an AOC and DeSantis. No, no. We're good with her. We'll have it. Come on. Would that not be entertaining? Are you not entertained? I think we should get someone left wing on. But everyone says that like, why don't you get someone left wing on? We're down. They won't do it. But also, if I'm a politician, I'm left wing.

My attitude is all come on there and destroy all three of these fucking young kids. You're pretty left wing though, right, Steady? Left wing, people don't roll like that, though. I think the only one that would have the... You know who would... Go. I think the only one that would have the balls to come on

would be Bernie Sanders. Bernie Sanders, I think, would do it. Because he's a really good debater. Yeah, I'd love to go right with that guy. Like, I don't agree with everything he says, but you can't deny Bernie Sanders is a good debater. Yeah, he's a good speaker. I don't like me.

I mean, Bernie Sanders would be fire on the fire. Why not? I love that money. It's not like we do everybody that we like. Yeah. We have for the most Pelosi. That'd be huge. She's a track.

We should kind of have somebody on, I think, that we don't get along with and, like, get the fireworks a little bit. AOC would be, that'd be viral. I just don't think she would ever do it. She would never do it. Yeah. I don't know. Let's try. Why wouldn't she?

I'll DM her right now. You could probably email her. Oh, yeah, you'd like her. She's like. She's like the leader of, like, the level. like a swing like feminist green like climate change on at the same time oh my if her and Andrew Tate came on it would be the craziest thing we wouldn't have to speak no it'd be insane if you guys saw the fucking knelt video too check the knelt video we did it so we're going back

we're going from Andrew Tate on the pod which right now is at 5.5 million views in four days seven what 5.7 million in four days slim in his numbers and now we're going straight to Elon which this one's obviously going to blow up um but yeah it's fucking crazy man there's tons of people left what guess two we got beber we gotta get we got Drake Kim Jong-un Kim Jong-un Tom Brady Tom Brady

Steve Curry would be dope Steph Curry Wayne Gretzky I'll throw the Kanye West Tiger Woods Kim Kardashian Tiger Woods DJ Khaled who you're talking to Kylie Jenner Kylie Jenner DJ Khalid who you're talking to Is there anybody big that we're missing

Hey listen Kendall's possible she's like one of my I'm not even lying call me crazy I think I think It's possible that we could get, and Bob used to say it too, but Kim Jong-un is possible. Yeah, I think it's possible, too. It might be the most possible on who you just listed. Yeah, probably because he's like, I think North Korea would want to, like, show off what a great country it is. I don't know if I would go there.

I'd go. North Korea? I don't know, man. Why? Like, you don't just fly in. You don't want to get stuck there. No, we'd go. I'd go.

I'd go. I would go. How did Rodman go? He reached, okay, so I know the story. Kim Jong-un reached out to Jordan. and said, hey, I would love to meet with you. Jordan denied. So he reached out to Pippin.

Pippin denied. And then he reached out to Robin and Rodman said, fuck it, I'm coming. Rodman was saying, like, he has his own ski resort. He has his own, like, island. Like, they're literally just going there and they're just flowing North Korean chicks. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, that's dope. If he's not going to fuck around, then I'm down to go. They wouldn't invite us to, like, keep us there and shit. And we have one of us, we have to go in Trump's office. Yeah, until we interview him. No, we have to go in Trump's in office for sure. If Biden's in office, we're not going. Oh, yeah, we're fucked.

If Trump's there, there is no way that he would let us. He might come with us. He would. Right? No, let's manifest it. That's the move. We're just fucking, we're going to go to North Korea with Trump. Yeah.

We got to pull up. We're going to North Korea with Trump. Vote Trump, 24. Get him in office so he could take us to North Korea. I think is a safety. I might not be available that week, but the boys will go. I think we got to sit back to and just reflect. Like, we've been thinking like a.

lot lately like shit's fucking crazy really crazy like don't think that we don't think this is crazy guys like i'm nervous like every time it's like we think this shit's crazy and then it's like we just keep outdoing ourselves yeah and it's like we got such a great group of people like everyone here that's just like we're all pushing each other and like we're just we're just all kind of competitive and we just want to win and we just want to kill it and like you said healthy competition It's healthy competition, but we also want to make one another proud, right? I'm always thinking, like, how do I make you guys proud? Like, what do I have to do?

How do I make Steve proud? You know, once again, shout out to Steve. Miss you, bro. It's crazy. It could have been here. It's insane that, like. It is crazy because I have Elon's car. The past six months have been the craziest months of all time, bro.

I think what really started was when we did the Miami trip when Lil Durk, Kodak, and since then it's just been a fucking trendy. So, Stein, he's saying right when he joined the pod pretty much. Yeah. No, I wasn't. That's pretty much what you said. Oh, I didn't say that. And I am grateful to be on this pod, so I appreciate you guys and the fans for how to.

He's just doing it because he gets winning credit. Stein didn't think it's been crazy. Right when I joined the pot, everything just fucking rocket ship. I said the last six months have been insane. They have been. Yeah. So. I didn't know you went over questions and stuff.

Yeah, bro. It was interesting. Study hard. I love this shit, man. So you, dude, for me, it's like how many people in the world get an opportunity to sit down with these people? and if you have that opportunity like you gotta fucking show up you know

if you don't show up and you get to sit down with the Elon Musk and you're not prepared it's like that's such a waste and it's unfair to people who are like trying to get that their whole life no no please just say that this is going to help you with a large graphic of women after Elon Musk

because I know like it's gonna be 100% that's not why that's like some side like I'm stoked for that like but that's not the main reason Yo, he told me, I told him, I was like, Elon's security asked to make sure hotel staff, no one in the hotel knows Elon's coming, because that's usually who leaks.

He goes, nah, nobody goes. He told me he told me he told a couple of girls by the pool already. Are you serious? What are the odds Elon comes and fires with us tonight? That is realistically. I mean, dude, you're with him at Delilah until 2 a.m. Percentage wise. 50-50.

No. I'd say it's like a good 10%. I think after this, we're going to get hammered on the pod we're going to hop on a jet and we're going to go to like Mexico with Elon or something we're going to party

slam hookies we're going to gamble on steak with Elon do some sweet bonanzies with Elon maybe some fruit party I don't know and I think it's just going to be a great night I'll have fruit party with Elon

sweet manzy that'd be funny going on steak You know what he might like Jack hand with him He might play crash He might be a crash genius Oh that'd be genius All right, boys.

Hi, guys. I'm up, I'm sure you have enough cameras. I really appreciate you coming. You're welcome. Here we got the mic right here. That's where we need Gabe. You can get right in there. This is our seltzer.

It's called Happy Dad. All right. You a drink or no? Do you drink alcohol? You try to? Of course I drink alcohol. You got to try one. sure

here this watch we're just ready for the cap yeah we usually do the cups if someone's drinking water Elon in the house pouring a happy dad

right out of the gate should we cheers to that Cheers Thanks for coming Elon We really appreciate it Cheers my guy Cheers How was your day

What did you get up to today I'm done just work or like working or how was your day should I get closer to the mic yeah probably let's fix it so how

we're just rolling too we just go straight for it hello so how did how did this all come about you guys have met what like John said like 10 years Or you've known each other for like 10 years?

That's Super Bowl thing? Yeah. Oh, no, Mayweather fight. We went to a Mayweather fight together. Yeah. Yeah. What was that story? Was it 10 years ago?

It was 2013. Yeah. That's crazy. It was a Canelo Mayweather fight. Do you remember the story about when Beaver came on the plane? And he brought too many people. Yeah. And then I forgot how many people he brought.

He bought like 10, 12 people. It was like a bus that showed up. Yeah. Yeah. Or many matters. There's like a lot of people. Yeah. And I'm freaking out.

And I go to our boy Shervin. I'm like, I don't know what to do. Bieber just rolled up way too many people. And he's like, just go, be honest with Elon. So I went and let Elon know. I was like, oh, bro, sorry. Like, Bieber brought, like, a lot of people. There's already, your family was on the plane too.

Yeah. And Elon goes, don't worry, I got this handled. And him and his brother, Kimball, they made like one quick phone call. And like, 20 minutes later, another jet just rolled in. Yeah, we got a second plane here. And then we flew to Vegas. how does that work Elon do you just have like jets like on demand like that that was my brother's plane your brother's plane yeah that's dope what was the link with

beber no our buddy Shervin but Beaver you're a Shervanator you want to hang out you know Shervin of course yeah I know Shervin well actually you know Shervin is a daughter there you yeah she's very beautiful yeah this is crazy to have you here though I mean we have our we have like one of our Metacard our NFTs and in the Discord All they're saying all the time is just, please get Elon on, please get Elon on, please get Elon on. What's that? What are they curious about? Probably everything.

A lot space cars, crypto. Space cars and crypto. Yeah, I think those are. Narer Link. Narer Link, yeah. Are you in Texas like full time now? Because it used to be in Cali, right? Yeah.

I used to live in California, but mostly live in Texas these days. Tesla, we built this giant factory called the Texas, Gigatexas, which is the biggest factory in North America, it's just outside Austin. So I'm working on just bringing up that factory, which is just increasing in the production. A factory is a giant cybernetic collective. So you're going to make the cybernetic collective work

with thousands of people and machines. just a lot of like 10,000 little things to fix basically. The team's doing great though. So we're spooling up the Gigatexas factory here in Austin and they're building a giant rocket in South Texas near Brownsville. So Starlink rocket? It's called Starship, yeah. But it will launch the Starlink two satellites.

Nice. Yeah. If I turn my head, can you still get the audio? You said what? If I, okay. What's that move? What's that? What's just like?

What's that movement like from Cali to Texas? Like which one? Do you ever miss Cali? No, it's not in California, you know, a couple days, like two or three days every couple weeks. Okay. So, yeah, so I'm in, every couple weeks I'm in L.A. for a few days, barrier for a few days, basically. something like that.

What made you move out here to Texas? It was basically building the Gigatexas factory in Austin and then the Starship program in South Texas. So basically the two big new things for both Tesla and SpaceX were in Texas.

So it ended up being that's where I needed to be. When you're talking about Bay Area, you're talking about the Fremont factory? That's still up there, right? Yeah. So, that's the original run, right? Sort of our original big factory.

Yeah. We had a tiny factory in Mendel Park at one point. Okay. Where we made the Tesla roads through. The Tesla Fremont factory in the San Francisco Bay Area is the highest output car factory in North America. Makes more cars than any other factory. So, and we're trying to ramp it up. So it's not like Tesla's leaving California.

It's just we kind of got too big to fit in the base. area. Yeah. And if you know the region, like you're kind of sandwiched in between the ocean, the bay, and the mountains, and there's no room. Yeah. Yeah. It's real houses are crazy money. Yeah. Yeah. Where was our flag at when we, I don't know if you know, our, our brand's called full send. So that's like our, that's like the term that we coined. Yeah. I think at one of your guys launches. I believe that's, yeah. For some reason in SpaceX, we say that a lot too. Yeah. So that's our brand. You see the full send? People say full send at SpaceX a lot. Really? Really. Yeah. That's our brand. That's our brand. So that's like our clothing line. And that's our flag. Like Sam Patel would say full

sand quite a lot. You see that flag right there, the American one? That's our, that's our merch. What context does you say full sand? It's kind of like when you're going hardcore. Like metal to the metal. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Full send. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We came up with that and that's our brand. And so that was like when we saw it. I think that's SpaceX Hawthorne. I think that was. That was Star Base, South Texas. Oh, that was South Texas. Oh, that was South Texas. Okay, okay. I thought that was awesome. We got a trademark too and like... Okay. Even in the rocket category, too.

No, we don't. Okay, well, I'll have to give you an eight cents. He'll give us a free podcast appearance. So are the starship launches, those are directly with the Starlink or no? Yeah. Those are sending the satellites up into orbit? So the Falcon 9 rocket that we launch right now is what is able to launch the Starlink version 1 satellites. or technically run version 1.5,

I've got a version 1.6. And there are still pretty big satellites. Before they unfold, they're like the size of a sort of a small compact car. And then the stalling two satellites are like way bigger than a pickup truck. They're like seven meters long. So the starting two satellites are too big to be launched by Falcon. and they have to be launched by Starship.

How often are the Starship launches? We've not done any orbital Starship launches, but we hope to attempt an orbital launch in a month or two. Nice. So it depends on how the testing goes. Got it. You guys know what the Starlink is? You've seen that?

Yeah. I feel like it's not talked about enough. Stop. Do you know how fast you were going? I'm going to have to write you a ticket to my new movie. The naked gun. Liam Nissan. Buy your tickets now.

I get a free Tilly Dog. Chilly dog, not included. The naked gun. Tickets on sale now. August 1st. I agree. Starlink should be taught. So Starlink is space-based internet.

So we've got a constellation of satellites. We've got now well over 2,000 satellites. We'll soon have about 4,000 satellites. So we have more satellites in operation than the rest of both combined. Really? Yeah. Than any other single company? than the rest of Earth.

Oh, my God. Yeah. And the down speed is crazy on it. It's not like the most... Is it available like now? Or there's a long waitlist, right? Yeah, Starlink is available now at Starlink.com. But I heard there's like a long wait list.

There's a wait list if you're in like a high density area. Okay. So Starlink is really best suited if you're in like the sort of countryside or kind of like low population areas. It's like you could be... That's perfect though. Yeah, for places that don't have internet. America. Yeah, basically rural America and like relatively sparsely populated areas.

But so the state link wait list is just if you're in a area that's where there's already too many Starlink terminals and we don't want to saturate that area because that'll reduce people's internet speeds. So in order to be able to service more people in that area, we need to launch more satellites. So we launch more satellites. almost every week. So we're, anyway, the next 12 months, probably do 60, 70 launches, maybe more. Wow. That's a lot.

Well, you've been supplying for Ukraine, you've been helping the internet there, right? Yes. It's been successful? Yes. Were you hesitant at all from any negative backlash from Russia? Well, I should probably not visit Russia.

You tweeted something about that. Why not? You know, what? I mean, probably unwise, you know. I mean, look what they did with the basketball player. I know, just for a vape pack, right? Yeah. Did you see what Trump said recently about her?

No, but I was like, man, if, you know, if the president's working so hard to sort of free someone who's in jail in Russia for some weed, shouldn't we free people in America? That's what Joe just said. I saw that. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Joe Rogan said that. Yeah. People in jail in America.

For the same shit. For the same stuff. Shouldn't we free them too? It seems like something that's legal in so many states right now as well. I think it's like for, I mean, my opinion is that people should not be in jail for nonviolent drug crimes. I agree with that. Yeah. We were just talking about that too.

Remember when you smoked weed on Joe Rogan? Did you get like a lot of backlash? for that. I did get a lot of backlash because it's like still federally illegal. So it was pretty nutty actually. I had to, well, because, you know, so I had to have like random drug tests and stuff after that to prove that I'm not like a drug addict. Really?

Yeah. By who, though? Who gives you the random drug? Even for weed? The federal government, like, because SpaceX has federal government contracts. Okay. And it's still illegal federally. So like the SpaceX, you know, competitors were like, hey, look at it.

Why are you doing anything? You know, look at him smoking, just like brazenly smoking weed on Joe Rogan's podcast. So they even drug test you for weed? Yeah, the drug test me for everything. So did you that? Randomly. How happy that it is. I couldn't like, it wasn't like, you know, pick a day because, you know.

So there was like a whole year of random drug tests. Did you just make that decision on the spot or did you like, no? Like you must have known you were going to get some backlash, right? I didn't think I'd get that much backlash, you know? It's sort of like. I mean, I thought everyone. thought it was cool as fuck. Like, that was the dopest thing.

If you follow Elon on Twitter. Yeah, I mean, the consequences for me and for SpaceX were actually not good because it's because it's federally illegal and SpaceX has federal contracts. And then, you know, so unfortunately, it wasn't just me, but the whole company, the whole of SpaceX had to have random drug test. Oh, my God, bro. That's hilarious. So I'm like, I'm sorry, guys.

I didn't realize it would be this big of a deal. Some people must have been sweating. That's so funny. Just over one joint, like, did you have to, like, walk into a boardroom and everyone's just grilling you? And you're like... Yeah. Yeah, no, it was like... You know, I think to bear in mind, like, you know, some people are still pretty uptight about these things.

I know. It's older people, right? Yeah. Pretty much. You didn't even look like you puffed on it. Sorry? It didn't even look like you were not puffed out. I don't even know how to smoke a joint, obviously.

Just look at me on, like, have no joint smoking skills. Yeah. that's what you acted like on camera no I mean seriously I mean I just you know you know I find weeds like not that good for productivity so I'm like you know I'm not gonna as I do actually have to make the rockets work in the cars work and make the factories work and stuff so um but yeah I think like the you know I think what we're seeing over time is that you know as as younger people are elected to office then they're more you know, less uptight about sort of drugs and stuff, you know.

And you've seen like one state after another kind of like legalized marijuana, some tastes, I think mushrooms are legalized and so. It's like... It seems like mushrooms is next. They're decriminalizing them. Starting again there. Same process as marijuana. Cali did recently, I think.

Colorado. Washington, I think. Yeah. It's like nobody's committing crimes on mushroom. No. Yeah. are you in supporting psychedelics yeah you are i think like some of the psychedelics can be pretty helpful for like um PTSD and like yeah like serious like uh psychological trauma and depression

and um i say like by personal opinion is like psychedelics are like way better for treating depression than a lot of like the SSRIs and stuff that are given out absolutely yeah i mean like a lot of those sort of anti-depression drugs just turn you to a zombie they come from the ground too right Which mushrooms? Yeah. Well, I'm saying like, I'm saying like, what? Well, they're not in orbit, you know? No, but I'm saying pills are coming from a lab, so it's like...

Yeah, yeah, no, I mean, I think it's not necessarily that if something is like, something being natural or synthetic doesn't necessarily mean it's good or bad. Sure. You can say like arsenic is natural. It's like an element on the pure-eyed table. So cyanide, you know, but this, you don't want to have either of those two things. Right. But they're totally natural.

And in fact, there are mushrooms that are poisonous and will kill it. So it's not like all mushrooms are good. I always sort of like back in the old days, you know, when they're trying to figure out which is the good mushroom. Yeah, because some are poisonous. Why don't you try that mushrooms? Like, stands back, sees what happens. Yeah, you have a, okay, that one's tasty.

That one like makes you see visions and this one kills you. Okay. I'm going to keep on just make sure which is which. You're just kind of have a designated tester. Just one of your boys like, yo, dude, you go first. Yeah, totally. So there's so many different types of mushrooms, you know. So most mushrooms are just, you can just eat them and they're fine.

And then some mushrooms are, you know, has psychedelic and some kill you. With that joint, like incident too, just doing something so cool and normal. Like how do you, like as successful and famous as you are, how do you like stay normal and doing stuff? like that. I mean, I don't know. I think most people in the corporate world are really try to conform to some sort of behavioral

thing that makes them seem like I don't know, like an Android or drone or something, you know, it's like some NPC in a video game with like a limited dialogue tree, you know. And you're like, are you real? Yeah. What did you say, MPC? Like an NPC, you know, in like a video game where, like, with a dialogue tree that's like really only has like six options or something.

That seems like most corporate CEOs behave like that. I'm like, are you even real? Like, how do we know you're not an MPC, you know? So, I don't know. I mean, it's cool. I don't expect to be the CEO of like these big companies and stuff. So just sort of happened that way. I think compared to all the other CEOs, you're the most down-to-earth guy.

Yeah, that's what I was trying to say. Like, it's just, yeah, it's cool. Ironically, poor space. And you're a funny-ass dude, bro. Yeah, how come, bro, you're, this is a spy chip. Your Twitter feed is on a different level funny. Like, it seems as if you don't really. I mean, I strive to keep the people entertained.

Bro. Do people give you a hard time? I want to earn my keeping with the people, you know. You're crushing on Twitter. How do you feel about that, like going back and forth with, like, people on Twitter without, like, no lawyers or anything like that. I mean, I have to say, I've gotten into trouble so many times on Twitter. It's insane.

How often? Wait, wait. I want to know how you get away at them. You say some things. Do you have a team that approves it or do you just fire it? Like, literally, I'm the only one who's ever tweeted or who's, I'm the only one who's ever had access to that Twitter account. Do you have some go-to people that you, like, run shit by, though?

Like, yeah, should I, like, do you think this is going to pop off people? I'll, like, okay, I'll show this to a friend and like, is this too crazy to tweet or? And then once you will say, like, yes, and I don't know, I'll save it and think about it maybe. But I don't know. You know, but I've gotten like into legal trouble, legal trouble with tweets, you know. Really? Anything you could say or no? Well, no. I mean, some of it's like, most of it's like public, you know. So.

You've gotten into some battles, though. Yeah, yeah. No, but like when I said, I was like taking tells of private at 420. that's hilarious with all this some people just don't have a sense of humor it turns out anyway I wonder like with all this with all this

you know Elon's birthday is 69 days after 420 can you even believe that yeah that's the funniest thing to me how is my birthday for 69 days after 420 that's insane That's why, like, we must be living in a simulation or something. This is too crazy.

Yeah, that's the funniest thing to me. Easy to remember. We got to get to do something. Is it June? Yeah, June 28th. Nice. Yeah. 628, which is also Tau Day, which is 2 Pi.

What did you do on your birthday? I think just had dinner with friends. Nothing special? Nothing special this year. And, like, I haven't really had a, like, a real party for a few years. I used to have, like, really big birthday parties. That's what I'm saying. You could be, like, Gatsby, bro.

I actually literally had a gas speed. party at one point. Where's that? Where at my house in the Bay Area, which I know long gone. Can you tell us about it? Because we weren't invited. I don't know if you, were you invited? You weren't? No, I wasn't. I think Post Malone was. Post told me once he went to like one of your parties. I don't know if it was. He changed my house. L.A. My old house in L.A. Yeah. But he said it was a theme party too, I think, right? Or it was a medieval theme. It was something. He was telling me something. He didn't come to a party. We had him on here like three weeks ago. Okay. Yeah, he's cool. Um, he's funny. What's a Elon

musk house party look like well the the my party's generally a very high production value so um like said i haven't held a party in several years so it's you know um with covid and all it's like a bunch of my friends you know couldn't whatever like a lot of my friends live in other countries and they couldn't even come to the u.s so sure um yeah so i haven't really like held the big party for i don't know maybe three years or so um but i guess we're probably been in about to four or five years ago, had a sort of a kind of a gaspian party at this house at in the Bay Area, which is, you can see it online because I sold it in people like, you know, they docks the house and whatever there so you can see pictures of it. It's like, it really is

very much like a haunted mansion situation. Yeah. It's like, it's possibly the creepiest. In fact, it is the creepiest house I've ever lived in. Really? Yeah. Why is that, though? Why? And I had two parties. One gas food party and one. sort of Castle, Castlevania party. You got to tell us. Like, performers, anybody? Yeah, yeah, performers and stuff.

Stones? No, no. I don't have like a famous band or anything. It's just high production value sort of set design. Oh, nice. That's important. Theme parties, bro. Yeah, just in terms of the sort of the production value set design of the party

and the there are performance they're just not like celebrity performers they're singers and dancers how many people you think go I maybe have like a so it's not that

not super big like 100 or so people cops called or no yeah actually what about the ratio with like women and guys so that party was in Hillsborough oh yeah

in the Bay area where like everyone goes to bed at 10 p.m. And so the cops got called like four times you greet them or somebody talks to them no somebody talked to them but at first they couldn't find a house

you know because this house has like a weirdly long driveway like so long that like if you take an Uber there like they're convinced like they're just going into the woods or something so it took a while for the police to actually even find the house but then

the whole neighborhood was calling McDonald's basically that's insane they literally came four times and then finally we had like to turn the music off. What was so creepy about the house? Like it was it like haunted or something? Bell horned.

Do you believe in ghosts? I mean, I don't believe in ghosts, but sometimes it feels like there are ghosts or something, you know. How so? Like in the house? I just think like creepy late at night. And there's, you know, it's in like a weird house and there's sort of strange sounds happening. And, you know, doors opening for no power reason. and it's creepy.

So in your opinion, like scientifically ghosts, like, doesn't make sense for them to exist? I've seen no actual evidence for ghosts. But it doesn't mean you can't get creeped out late at night. Yeah. So, but this house was, like I said, and I had that house for many years, and I try to decreep it as much as possible. But even after a lot of decreping, just a little creeper. How do you decreep it? Sage?

Get rid of, like, creepy stuff? paintings paintings well furniture yeah yeah for like weird paintings furniture and and like there were these um these animal figurines like yeah get those out of there yeah that's creepy as hell they just feel like they didn't come alive at night yeah you know you sleep with the light on no I do I do I do still so no I used to when I was a kid I used to be like scared of the I'm a light guy, yeah. Bathroom light, though. Yeah, bathroom lights.

Yeah. Somewhere you could see, like, if someone's coming in or anything like that, yeah. Yeah. I mean, it had this, like, this, like, narrow stairway down into the basement that was painted red. It just felt like, a place was a bit like the shining. Yeah, it's a shining vibe. Yeah, it sounds like that. It sounds like it.

I'm not staying there. But anyway, grateful parties. And like, if you have 100 people there, you know, it's just creepy if you're there by yourself. Yeah. So the main home now is Austin or Texas, state of Texas? Yeah. Main, Maine residents. I actually don't really have a main residence.

Same as us. It's kind of like us. Just always moving around. But what's the, with a boxable rumor? I do actually have a boxable, yeah. You do? Some prototype boxable,

that's down in South Texas. Wow, that's pretty cool. They reached out to us. They wanted to make a happy dad bar boxable. Okay. That'd be sick. Yeah,

and I didn't know much about it. And I started looking into it more. And there was like pictures of you with a boxable, not in one, but like, like, B. Elon Musk had, and I wasn't sure if it was a rumor or,

yeah, you know, but I do have a boxable. But my main My main house If I have a main house Is the one in South Texas In Boca Chiga Village

On Williams Street And And it's called Williams I want to try I'm petition to change the street name To memes No Wait, what's it

To memes No I mean MES MES MES are calls right now You can just If you get enough people on the street To say yes

You can change a street name Well if they know you're doing that Or if Elon Musk makes a call Yeah What do you think of the boxable? Yeah, it seems good. Aren't they like, what are they like, 50 grand? I think so.

I don't actually stay in the boxable. It's like, so I have like the house that I bought actually, he cost less than it's in a boxable because like 45K or something. But I've done a lot with the place. You bought a house for 45K? Yeah. Is it like big or is it? No, it's small.

It's a tiny house, right? That's a great value, 45K? Yeah, no, it's a tiny, it's a small, small house. Why do you do that? People have pictures of it and stuff. It's like, because it was right next to the rocket factory. Oh, got it. So I can just literally walk to the rocket factory.

It's like half a mile away. You got a kitchen, living room, bedroom. It's a one bedroom, right? It's technically a three bedroom, but it used to be a two bedroom, but I converted the garage into a third bedroom. It's so crazy. Yeah, it's like a friends might come and stay in there, I can't believe I'm staying in this house.

Yeah, do you like living like that? If I'm there by myself, yeah, it's fine. Or just with a little X or something, you know. The family customer. I actually, I use the box bowl as my guest house. Oh, nice. What the hell is going on, bro? So that's what I use the box bowl is if a friend comes and stays or something,

and then they can stay in the box bowl if they want. Nice. That should be like the full send hop boxing for all. the employees, the boxable. The boxable. We should do it, though. They're cool. All the employees that say full send. I think they're around like 50 grand. Yeah, they're 50. Well, they want to partner with us.

They just say when we come to Vegas, they want us give us a tour of the factory and everything. I think it's cool. Is there enough for him to, like, party in there? No, I think it would be a brewery. We could just have one for that. It's not indoors, but I have like an outdoor area by that, by back of the house where you can party, more or less. There's like a little barbecue pit and stuff. Nice.

So I actually did have my. I had a small birthday party there last year, which was just some friends invited down to Star Base to hang out. And, yeah, that was fun. Yeah. Yeah. But, yeah, these days I'm basically just trying to get Starship to orbit, which is pretty tough.

It's a very complicated rocket. It's one double the thrust for Saturn 5, about twice the wait. So Saturn 5's biggest rocket, ever to get to orbit. It's what sent people to the moon back in the day. So making a rocket that's twice as big as the next biggest rocket that's ever reached orbit is challenging. That's why I say, like, we'll get to orbit maybe between one and 12 months from now. But there definitely could be some explosions along the way. Like, it's not just going to work right away.

I mean, when the Soviet Union was competing with the United States to get to the moon, they were trying to develop a rocket called the N1, which was similar in size to the Saturn 5. Actually, had more thrust than Saturn 5. And they had four launches, and all four failed. So we don't want to end up in that boat. Yeah, is that like a lot of pressure? There's so much pressure on you, like, are you like, fuck, if this, like, blows off, like, I look bad. Under pressure.

Is that all you think about, like, on a day-to-day basis? How expensive does it call? How much is it to develop that rocket? Well, I love Elon. Can you perform under pressure? You live in pressure. That's rookie shit for you, yeah. Expectations are so high.

No, but I can try Bohemian Rhapsody. Love queen. Yeah. Oh, I said yes. Freddie Mickey? How long is the production on the rocket from start to end? Well, right now it takes a long time. This is a very big.

This is the largest flying object ever made. So, you know, we're aiming for a production rate of one a month, but right now we're at a production rate probably one every four or five months. And how expensive is it just for one rocket, one more? all that. I don't know. It's at least $50 million module cost of launch, maybe $100 million. So every explosion, it's like... How pissed are you? Boom, that was $100 million.

Fuck. That's that. That's gambling. Yeah, put the chip zone. But anyway, if we don't have a rocket like that, then we, we, humanity can't be a spacefaring civilization and a multi-planet species. If we want to go out there and make sci-fi real and be on other planets and go back to the moon, then we need big rockets. Why do you think we haven't been back to the moon?

Well, I think another way of thinking about it is that the fact that we were able to go to the moon in 69 was such an anomalous situation. it was like reaching into the future and bringing the technology forward that normally wouldn't be there. Like that was not the natural pace of technology development. It's just that the United States just collectively decided that this got to be done. You know, we kind of got to beat the Soviets, you know. I don't want to sound like when I, have we not been back since then or have we? There were a few trips to the moon, so it wasn't just one. Okay.

Landings? I actually landed on the moon? Yeah, yeah. Okay. I think the last landing was maybe 72. Wow. That sounds weird that we'd be so much more advanced now when we've been going back.

I agree. It's totally weird. Well, are you going to do you have just no interest in the moon at all? No, we'll go to the moon. We have, SpaceX has a NASA contract to take astronauts to the moon. So NASA did choose SpaceX to return astronauts to the moon, and we intend to do that. would be like the mission well

I mean starship is gigantic compared to anything that's like I said ever been done before so this is not like a tiny little thing lands on the moon this is like

giant ass spaceship lands on the moon you know it's capable of putting 100 tons of payload on the moon so a lot you could build a moon base

for the starship so we can go way beyond what was done with the Apollo program where they just had a small Moolander that, you know, and they sort of were on the surface of the moon for, I don't know, maybe some number of hours and then they got back in and took off. So the Apollo program is not capable of building a moon base, but the starship system is

capable of building a moon base. I mean, it's designed to be capable of building a city on the moon or Mars. That's what the system is designed to be able to do. That's insane. Why is the goal right now to get to Mars before the moon? No, we'll probably get to the moon first. Okay. Oh, really?

Yeah. But not built, would we build a city on it or not on the moon? I mean, I think we should build a city on the moon. It's closer. And on Mars. Yeah, it's way closer than Mars. Mars is like nutty far. It's more convenient.

Why do you want to colonize Mars? I think it's important for, I think there's two reasons. one is kind of a defensive reason that like if something bad would have happened to Earth then you know could be like a meteor or like whatever destroyed the dinosaurs supervolcanoes could be World War III like we could just like nuke each other to death or something like I don't know World War III is like seeming a little more probable these days that might be the leading factor it might be the leading factor so you know so it could be either some natural

disaster or something where humanity just like suicides itself with a World War III situation and then it would be you know good to have a second planet where so that like you know civilization isn't wiped out so that's the kind of defensive reason it's like life insurance for life collectively and so you know not just for humans but all like the creatures that we love so um that's like the defensive reason you're going to pull like a Noah's arc vibe and bring like animals to it yeah yeah I mean sure absolutely oh wow what do you think mars is going to look like well long term we could make it look like earth we have to warm it up but there's a lot of um there's a lot of ice on mars it's cold so like you just have to warm it up to have liquid water um but mars has a mars would have

um an an ocean i think about a roughly maybe a mile deep uh on 40% of the planet roughly Wow. Yeah, so if it's warm it up. So that's all ice right now. Just ice. 40% of the planet. That shit is crazy. Just ice.

In fact, a lot of the ice that you see on Mars at the poles is actually dry ice. It's CO2, frozen CO2. I've always been into aliens and I remember when I was a kid, when they first found ice on Mars. That sparked like all the alien rumors on Mars. If there's ice, there might be life. There's massive amounts of ice on Mars. Like, not a little.

It's a crazy amount. Well, how would you warm it up then? Well, you could use like solar reflectors or you could just create artificial suns with a series of like thermonuclear explosions. Like the sun is like a giant... You'd create a sun?

Thermonuclear reactor. It's a... Like, if you worry about like, well, will that generate like dangerous radiation? We'll have you stood in front of the sun if you just go out in the sun. Sure. The sun is a giant

the nuclear reactor. So obviously you can stand in front of the sun and not die. It must be nerve-wracking, though, because it's like all tests. Yes. You know what I mean? You could create, like, a permanent, like, sun, like, by Mars? No, you'd have to do... Or it would just be, like, a heat wave, and then it's kind of gone, and it melts all the ice?

Yeah, you'd have to do kind of like a series of... Like, if you, like, if you, like, launched, like, a missile every, I don't know, 10 seconds, and then, you know, it's like fireworks, but real big. Okay. Okay. Okay. Thermonuclear fireworks. Okay. But you can't have a, you couldn't have a sustained reaction because the sun is a gravitationally contained thermonuclear reactor, so you need a lot of gravity.

The sun is well over 90%, well over 99% of all the mass of the solar. system. So it's big. It's very big. It's just so fascinating. Yeah, what are the first steps? Like, what do you start with to start civilization on Mars? What's the first thing you've got to do?

I think the first thing you've got to do is build a base, and then that base would have like the essentials of like food production, water, like, which is, you know, like have ice mining droids that were like go mine ice and then melt. and purify the water, and then you need a propellant, kind of a propellant factory or help propellant plant. So Mars's atmosphere is primarily CO2. And then if you take water, which is H2O, and you can turn CO2 and H2 into CH4 and O2, which is methane and oxygen. so you that that's why starship uses methane as a fuel it's it's mostly oxygen so it's like 78% oxygen the propellant and 22% fuel so in you know in space there's in a vacuum you have

there's no oxygen to burn so you've got to bring our oxygen and you mostly bring oxygen so you'd be you need a propellant plant to create the liquid oxygen liquid methane um and food and water and the basics, essentially. That would be the thing to start off with. And you'd be living in kind of like glass domes and partially underground and stuff. So it would be hard living in the beginning on Mars, like not like a luxury situation. So who are the first people that go live there? I don't know, pioneers.

I would say the, you know, for the first people that go to Mars, it's like, it's going to be like, dangerous like you might die uh food probably not good um you know it's going to be a long and difficult trip it's it's like it's probably like a lot of pain and danger that's that what do you think about population but on the other hand it's going to be glorious adventure so it sounds like there's got to be it so who wants it but i mean there's still a fucking long list right But people that want to do it. I think once maybe there's threats to Earth, then the list gets huge, right? There's probably a huge list that are ready.

Yeah, maybe. I mean? There's people like climbing on Everest and stuff. So, you know, or like Thrill seekers. Yeah, sale is cross-specific by themselves, you know. So I think there's, and there's like, you've got 8 billion people on Earth, so you don't, you know, only need a small number to want to do it. How much is?

But I'm just saying it's like the beginning is going to be, like, dangerous, difficult. Yeah. And, you know, like not like a. It's not like a luxury resort. It's going to be dangerous and difficult and a lot of work, basically. But over time, you can make it awesome. You're going on the list? I wouldn't do Mars.

I would do space. No chance. There's no chance you would go into space, bro. Yeah, I would. No chance. I would trust Elon. What do you mean? So you would go into space and just chill and then come back?

Yes. I would do it. I wouldn't go to Mars. Because that's like, Mars is like a commitment. That's like your whole life. But I would do space. I don't know about that. How are you going to filter, like, filter, like, the water if you're going to heat up, like, Mars and stuff.

Well, filtering water is actually not, it's not super hard. You know, you can always just, like, evaporate it or use various, like, carbon filters and stuff. It's, you can purify water as a well-understood process. So, so you just basically go, you have to go mine some dusty ice and then melt it and send it through a bunch of water. water purifiers and you can drink it. Yeah, that's crazy. What do you expect the population to be in Mars? Like, I know you said that people will go.

I mean, I hope it's a big population at some point. What's a number? I know you're a numbers guy. You have to be. Well, I think there's a critical threshold is how many people, how many people I need it on Mars for Mars to be self-sustaining such that if the spaceships from Earth ever stopped coming, the people, it wouldn't die out.

you know so you have the thing about it there's like if we live on earth here but we live at the top of like a vast pyramid of industry you know where there's all these like mining of all these like elements then there's many many steps of refining and then and these are gradually turned into a product uh but there's a massive base of industry that would need to be recreated on mars and if you're missing any any element of that then um then if the shifts from earth stopped coming it would die out you'd be like Like if you had everything except vitamin C, then, yeah, you'll be okay for a while, but then you're going to eventually die. So you got to, there just can't be any like missing, critical missing ingredient. So then it's like, okay, well, how many people are needed to ensure there's no missing ingredient? I don't know, maybe a million people, I'm guessing. I hope it's not more than that. It's probably not much less than that. And then you probably need millions of tons of cargo delivered to Mars.

So it's a lot. But you can say like there's a thing called like the Great Filters, which is, you know, sort of coming from the Fermi paradox. FOMI paradox is just where are the aliens? If the universe is really 13.8 billion years old, shouldn't there be aliens everywhere? and if not, why not? I think it was Carl Sagan who said that there appear to be either there's either a lot of aliens or no aliens

and either one is equally terrifying meaning if there are no aliens then what we have here is very rare and then odds off... I think no aliens is more terrifying. More terrifying. I think it's more likely though, right? If the universe is 13.8 billion years old. Well, this is like, this is why it's cool this, like this, this is like a great physicist

Enrico Foamy who post the question of, like, where are the aliens? Now, a lot of people ask me, like, what about the aliens? Have you seen any evidence of aliens? I've seen no evidence of alien. No hard evidence. What about these Pentagon videos? You haven't seen like a little? But no, but there are these videos that the Pentagon released during COVID, of course.

But, you know, like what we're like. Didn't they just say that there was UFOs? Like that doesn't necessarily mean that the UFOs are like alien or the ocean. Like a UFO can be like... No, a UFO could mean anything that the government like... Couldn't it be like a Chinese like plane or something that they don't know? But wouldn't we know? Like that's why it's not necessarily.

So like, I mean, there's like advanced programs that the military has which were classified and they wouldn't so, you know, if they had like some really fast missile or something, even if somebody else in the military saw that, then they would still. not tell them what it was because it's classified. Sure. Wait, didn't they release something, though? To the best of my knowledge, I have not seen any evidence of aliens. And I think I don't know.

Why do you think? I feel like there's a narrative out there that our first interaction with aliens would be violent. Do you think that's the case? Well, if so, I think we're in trouble. Because if they were able to get here and we couldn't get there, then probably they've got much better technology than we do. Oh, we're done. Yeah, we're toast.

We're at their mercy. It seems like this is so interesting. Well, it does it not seem like it's always like going to be violent one and two, they're more advanced than us. But why can't we be going to be way more advanced, not a little bit more advanced. But why is that? So we'll just be totally at their mercy because if they've got spaceships that can get from other star systems to here, we don't have anything like that. Right. That's true. So.

Wasn't there? Probably got some badass space lasers and shit. Yeah. Like, who knows why? You think we have some crazy anti-matter weapons. Like basically we're hopeless. It's like we would just be like children or something. Maybe we have some Area 51 though, no?

Some lasers locked in there? Have you been there? You know, there are advanced laser weapons. I don't have any area 51. There are actually lots of areas, by the way. I think SpaceX technically leases Area 59 or something like that. So they're numbered. I think SpaceX needs to create some fucking lasers.

So wait, is there better? We do have space lasers. Oh, really? Elon, is there better areas than the 51? Of course. What do you think, please? I don't have one. I need one.

How am I going to protect myself if the invasion happens? Yeah. Just call Elon. Yeah, he'll answer. We do have a lot of space lasers. We use them to communicate between the satellites. So those are just big, there should be, lasers should be fully operational around the end of this year.

So were those just rumors or fake news? about Eisenhower having meetings with the aliens and like, I don't know what you're... Yeah, Eisenhower did not have meetings with aliens. In fact, I think it may have been him or there was some, like Pentagon General who said, because people kept on bugging him about aliens and stuff. And he said, listen, if we had any evidence of aliens, if I had an alien, I would drag an alien body or something. I'd show you the alien body because, you know what, if I showed you that alien body,

we'd get out budget approved instantly. Yeah. He's like, watch out. Aliens. Oh, we need more money. Yeah, they want it.

It's like, if there was like some scary alien stuff, that would be the fastest way to get the biggest possible budget. Why can we resolve your friends? Yeah, but then I think we'd react pretty, like people would go crazy.

Like the human population will be go crazy. Would they? I mean, I feel like, I don't know. I feel like aliens, the general population believes in aliens.

I think like 20 years ago, everyone's like, no, but now it's like if you ask anyone, like, yeah, I believe in. aliens. Have they met one? No, but I think everyone just

believes there's aliens. Because of movies probably. Yeah, because no, but I saw that on Joe's podcast too. It's interesting how in like movies and like since the beginning of time or beginning of entertainment, they've always been like pushing on us like aliens, aliens, aliens, aliens. Like movies.

Like Independence Day. Yeah, just everything. More of the world. I feel like we've always been told like there's life outside like earth. That's the other thing. Like why is Area 51 so? secretive then? I don't think it was actually

all that secretive. Probably. It just like answered the mythos of, and I don't know, people got carried away. I don't think there's anything sort of super

interesting in the area 51. Like there are more advanced weapons that the U.S. has that people don't know about, but they're not like crazy alien weapons. what's your gut feel on if they exist or not like your gut obviously there's no hard evidence but i don't think there are aliens at least in our sector of the galaxy so your guts that they don't exist not in our sector of the galaxy so there might be

aliens in like a far away portion of the galaxy if by aliens i think you mean like with spaceships that could potentially travel to here or something like that no just in general i guess. An alien you could talk to. Like, or you don't mean like microbes because that'd be a boring alien. Yeah, true. Like a tiny like, like, just talk to like a microorganism. Yeah, like a microorganism.

Yeah, true. Blankton. Yeah. Sure. I guess, I guess aliens we could talk to. Yeah, alien we could talk to. Or, yeah. Not microbes.

Not like, yeah. Yeah, not like, okay, we found a whatever. What's the first thing you, that would just ruin it? But like, we found aliens and here they are. What's the first thing you'd say to alien? If you've seen it like face to face, what's the first thing you'd say to alien? Welcome.

I hope you come in peace. Yeah. Come in peace, hopefully. Do you understand English? Oh, do I, is this, I were just speaking gibberish here or what? I'm interesting. If they can understand English, then they will have been observing us for a long time. But anyway, I don't think they're, like I said, I don't think they're aliens.

I think the most, but you should view these things as like probabilities. Generally, you should think of things as probabilities, not certainties. So I think there's probably not aliens. And I think that's kind of scary, actually, because then what it would suggest is that consciousness, civilization, as we know it, is extremely rare and a very precious thing where like our consciousness is like a small candle in a vast darkness and we must not let that small candle go out that's the theory i saw is like they've always been kind of plugging aliens on us to make us think that we're just this little spec but actually it's like we're the only thing and it's like they kind of taught us that to not make us feel special

and to not like appreciate human existence you know but it's kind of interesting when you think about that like what if humans are the only thing yeah they want us to make it feel like we're not shit. We wouldn't be smart enough for, like, you ain't shit. Like, there's something else out there. It's an interesting theory. Yeah, it is. Well, I mean, based on everything we know about history and archaeology and stuff,

you know, so Earth's about four and a half billion years old, and the first writing is only about 5,000 years old. That's basically practically yesterday. So it's taken four and a half billion years to get to this point. So the window of opportunity to make life multiplexible, planetary and have a base on the moon or Mars is open for the first time in the four and a half billion year history of Earth. It may be open for a long time or maybe open for a short time.

But I think we should not assume it will be open for a long time. And we should assume it will be open for a short time. And while the window of opportunity is open, we should make life multi-planetary. What do you think is the biggest threat to mankind right now? I'd say the biggest threat right now is population collapse the super low birth rate really yeah over like nuclear war

natural disaster don't we have an overpopulation problem no we have an underpopulation problem really yeah why why did you say this is the most commonly misunderstood situation yeah they definitely push that we have a overpopulation no no I don't know it's just like I think it's like this is a holdover from like I don't know the 70s or something you know

so there was a huge baby boom like where people did have a ton of kids after World War II but then the U.S. has actually been at the birth rate in the U.S. has been below replacement rate since like 71 or 72. In the U.S. But how about other countries? I know U.S., but how about other countries?

Well, like China's got a huge population collapse problem. Really? Yeah. China, you actually get penalized if you have more than one kid. No. Are you being serious? They cut that off. See, this is like, so part of it is just like we're operating on things that were true in the past, but are no longer true.

So China did have a one-child policy, but like about 10 years ago, they changed it to a two-child policy. And then a few years ago, they changed it to a three-child policy. And both rate kept plummeting the whole time. Lowest birth rate ever last year. Really? Yeah, China's both rate right now is 40% below replacement. Traditional women. I don't want to, you know.

You know, one can speculate as to the reasons, but there's no hose. Andrew Tate was last week, bro. I know. It's true, bro. Like, what you said about birth, I, they're out there. See that. Wow, that is a very common misconception. It's a very common misconception.

What we face is population collapse. Collapse. Like, people have no idea how fast the population is going to collapse. What are we trending in? Japan is pretty far along in that. Like, Japan actually lost like 600,000. went down by 600,000 people last year. The Japanese are not in the bedroom at all, then.

Not at all. It would seem not. What about the U.S.? We've got to increase, right? Yeah. I'm what I'm saying is the U.S. has been below replacement rate for 50 years. That's so not. The population has increased.

Like, yearly, since the 70s. Yeah, since the early 70s, since like 71, 72. So why are we spewed with all this BS that, you know, we're overpopulating? But the population's growing, right? No, it's not. So, I mean, I should say the, like, lifespan is increasing. People are living longer. That's the only reason why the population of Earth isn't plummeting, but it will plummet.

So, you know, just like one thing to metric to track is the ratio of adult diapers to baby diapers. Like at what point does a country have more adult diapers and baby diapers? And like Japan went past that point over 10 years. years ago what do you think happens in like the future then what's your kind of thought on that well i think people really we've got to turn this round we've got to have at least replacement rate if not more on the baby front um and by the way these this is these are not matters that are uh subjective you can just literally look at the both right you know it's like it's an objective number like how many kids babies were born it's like a they record this information you know so um and

So you're saying people need to be having more kids. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure you know a lot of people who have, like, no kids. Like, how many kids do you guys have? I don't know. I got no kids. I mean, none of you guys have. What the fuck?

I'm 28, but I mean, I'm 20. I guess I could. 20 is reasonable. Yeah. I'm trying to get a baby mama soon, but. Yeah. And I just got married last month. She's over there.

Okay. Hey, congrats. I feel like that's kind of changing, though. I think like with generations. our generation is have like less marriages less kids well child support man a lot of guys are scared right now it's true that's true i mean it's true i would be scared too i mean that is that is a big thing that's probably part of it i feel like cost cost of a child yeah give me a social media too people get caught up my social media instead of going out and you know

having fun how detrimental is that like what's what's that if we if it keeps trending this way How long do we have before? It's like, yeah, I guess, extinct. Well, it's a, like a low birth rate is a slow death for a civilization. It's not a fast death. Yeah, we're chilling for a bit. Yeah. I mean, you're cruising, it's just like the average age just starts drifting up,

and then, you know, basically civilization will die with a whimper in adult diapers. Kind of sucks, doesn't it? It's like anticlimactic, you know, it's not exactly. I mean, frankly, if you said, given the choice, like, I'd rather civilization died went out with a bang than a whimper in adult diapers. Yeah.

What's a bang? Bang would be World War III. If the choices are, you know, like it's just like sad or it's just sad if you just die and, you know, civilization dies of old age, I think. So that's like the most,

that's probably the biggest myth that exists right now. This is overpopulation myth when in fact we have a population collapse problem. and I think people can see this anecdotally when they talk to friends and just like we just had like none of you guys have kids yet it's totally understandable 20 but I mean 28 yeah 28 maybe you know um how old are you know 42 42 you should not contributing see like by 42 you should have no yeah what the fuck yeah I'm I'm the problem I know that's what I got out of this so um you know that's uh I don't know I have a lot of friends of mine especially um you know

I know a lot of women that have not had kids and not planning to type of thing. And I'm like, man. So I'm worried about the, I think that's the biggest risk to civilization right now. It's just we got to get rid of this nonsense that we have an overpopulation issue. We have an underpopulation issue. Why do you think that that's not being said more then if that's a huge problem? Different agenda. I think, yeah, some kind of, you know, I think like maybe the sort of,

like I'm pro environment, but I think the environmentalist agenda has kind of gone too far on the agenda. That's an environmentalist? Yeah, more agenda? Well, that's kind of like the, yeah. How so? I mean, like a lot of these things, it's like,

I don't think it's like some sort of, like sort of nefarious mastermind situation. It's just like a dumb idea that hasn't been fixed, you know, as opposed to like somebody's masterminding or something, you know. yeah but i'm just saying objectively one way or another if we don't have kids is like population is going to decline we're going to average age is going to increase um when did you have your first child um when i was 29 29 well how many kids nine right yeah nine children well how many children

well how many baby mothers three wow wow um are the twins now. That's who I met. I met the twins. They're 18. They're 18 now. Wow. Yeah, going to college. Oh, wow. That's crazy. What's the oldest and youngest? Well, young is just a baby, but less than one. And the oldest are 18. Nice. So, you know, try to say a good example here. I'm having a lot of kids. What's it like when they get to the age, like 18? Yeah. Well, teenagers, like kids generally want to hang out with. their parents until they start hitting their, you know, like 13, 14. By age 16, you know, kids, they don't want to hang out with their dad that much anyway. Yeah. So 18, they definitely

don't want to hang out with their parents. I mean, I have dinner occasionally, you know, yeah. I wonder, what's like a day like for like Elon Musk, like just a regular day, like day-to-day base, like what you do? Does I find that very interesting? Yeah, like, what time do you wake up? Yeah, like, What time do you wake up? Yeah, what time do you wake up? When do you make your coffee? Maybe you drink coffee, maybe you don't. I do drink coffee, yeah.

Well, I tend to be like fairly nocturnal, so I like go to sleep around, I don't know, 3 a.m. Thereabouts. Wow. And then I'll wake up around usually about six, six and a half hours later, so 9.9.30. And I have a bad habit, which I think. I suspect a lot of people do of, like, immediately checking my phone for... Right away. Yeah, right away, yeah.

It's a terrible habit, actually. Just to see, like, any emergencies happen overnight or whatever. So I didn't want to text you too early this morning. I was like, I felt bad texting you. I was like, all right, I'm going to wait until after 12 at least. Yeah. Well, I got a lot going on running SpaceX and Tesla. And, you know, so there's usually some kind of thing that's happened overnight.

But I think I want to change that to... Like, I got to work out. and be in better shape, you know. So we need you around. Thanks. I actually don't really like working out, but I got to do it. So I'm going to switch from, you know, just immediately looking at my phone. First thing as soon as I wake up to, I don't know, just working out for at least 20 minutes and then looking at my phone.

Have you ever tried pre-workout? Like what's the pre-workout? It's like a powder. It's got caffeine in it. It's usually used for like. Sometimes when I'm lazy, leg days, just for leg days.

You should just, you got to get pre-work out. You get the quads going on. You leave it on your bedside counter. Okay. And right when you wake up, just take a scoop. Okay.

And then you'll be like so drittery that you can't go to bed. So you'll have no choice. But to go to the gym. Where is it available? Feel like. Okay. We have ours too.

Do you drink coffee every morning? I have coffee. You want to switch to this one. Okay. Promocode podcast. If you're trying to work out. I'll try it out. So.

all right um no but the the bedside pre is a key because you're so like you can't do anything but go to the gym you can't sit still you're just going to go in there it's like a little energy drink okay the one we have one and ours is uh all natural too Elon I wonder with your influence do you feel as if you have I don't know how to say like do you do you feel like you have more influence in the government at times like do you feel like you can some ways over it I feel like I could just take over the government I mean not I mean not literally but you feel as if like I mean, like, I'm Elon Musk. I mean, if you were an American citizen, you'd win presidency by a landslide.

Yeah. You know, you know that. You say the nicest things. No, but it's facts. But also, how many Twitter followers does Joe Biden have? Do we know? I don't know. But you have a lot more than he does.

I'll check. I think he's probably got like $20 million. I think he can spice up his tweets a little bit, you know? Yeah. He needs to. He needs to. I wonder, though, like, when you're like sitting at the house, do you ever feel like, man, I have way more influence than what the government has.

it's probably fair to say that I do have a lot of influence 34.8 probably fake too what did Trump have yeah well you've got a you've got a bigger reach then because you almost I think you have a hundred million on Twitter right yeah the president has 34 million yeah so you're getting to more people than he is which is pretty crazy to think about it is crazy yeah I want to know I want to know how do you feel about that it's like might be 90% bots, though. You buying followers or? Elon, you said we can't go there.

We're not going there. What? I don't know. I think that there's a fair number of bots in time. I haven't bought followers or anything, but this will, my account gets targeted a lot by scammers because, you know, like my account is by far the most interacted with account on on Twitter. So, you know, since my account is the most interacted with account.

on the whole system, that's kind of what, where scammers are going to target my account, you know, so. When you say scammers, what do you mean, like hacking into your account? I know, just like people trying to impersonate. Is it like crypto scams and. Oh, yeah, yeah, that's all over. Yeah. That's all over the internet.

I mean, discord, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Crypto scams are, yeah. But there's like, you know, for scams of various kinds. But crypto scams being number one, but there's other scams too. What about the coin, the Elon coin? Wasn't there a Elon coin? just blew up too.

Yeah. I mean, I don't know. There's like everything coin. What do you think about? Not really anymore, though. That shit coin phase kind of. No,

but it was actually this one like took off. I mean, it still trades well. I haven't looked in a while, but yeah. Well, I have nothing to do with it. I bought a lot because I thought it was yours.

Dumb man. Took a huge L on that. Dumb motherfucker. What do you think of the crypto right now? The future. Bitcoin, Ethereum, the big ones. You love Doge.

Yeah. I mean, I'm mainly supporting Doge, frankly. Because I think Doge is like the, has the memes and dogs, and it seems like has a sense of humor and doesn't take itself too seriously. But what's the potential with it? Well, I do think actually, weirdly, even though Doge was just designed to be like this ridiculous joke currency, the actual total transactional throughput capability of Doge is much higher than Bitcoin. and the fact that this 5 billion Doge creator every year is actually, I think, good for using it as a transactional currency. Where is it used as a transactional currency? You buy like Tesla merch and SpaceX merch with Doge.

Oh, nice. And you can also pay for Boring Company rides in Vegas. Do you pay for what? So Boring Company has tunnels under Vegas. What? Yeah. I know Boring Company with the Flamethrower, but I didn't know they had underground tunnels like that. That's what?

So what, you save time with traffic? Yeah. The Flamethrower was merged. They get stuck on the strip and traffic. And they're live available to use right now? Yeah, just opened the one from like Resorts World. So there's tunnels under Vegas. We got to rip that.

Yeah. Well, Tesla's only, right? Yeah, it's like Tesla's in a tunnel basically. Yeah. What the fuck? Yeah, so you can pair. But you own a Tesla. You own a Tesla.

Selim. Slim one's a Tesla. You own a Tesla. Yeah. I love your car, by the way. I know you probably get that a lot. It's your biggest enemy right now. Yeah.

Who is your biggest enemy? Well, I did challenge Vladimir Putin to one-on-one, you know, single combat. I'm not sure he's my biggest enemy, but I did challenge him to this on Twitter. What does that mean, single combat? Yeah, M-M-A. Yeah, M-M-A style. Oh, really? We could help with that.

Dana White. Dana-Wite. Joe Rogan commentating. Listen, the pay for you alone would pay for the wall. You'll have everybody watch. You think you could take Putin, though? I don't know. I think it would be an interesting question because he's, like, good at martial arts.

You guys would have time to train and shit, too. He's pretty buff. I don't know. You see those pictures of him on a horse and stuff? I mean, Putin, those Russians are tough, man. What's your skill set? I'm not doubting you, but, like, I'd be trained for you. I don't know.

Look those arms. I do have some bit of a weight advantage. What's your game plan in the Octagon, though? Yeah, are you like a ground guy or like, I think you're a strike. You got to use your reach, you're a striker, maybe. But what would your game plan be against Putin? Would you take him down? He said he has like won judo championships and stuff.

Oh, he's pretty good. You're going out the right guy? Find his number two. But I think I'm probably 50% heavy than him. So I could, you know. Take him in the nuts. Just, take him in the nuts. Yeah.

I mean, if you've got a big weight advantage, that can overcome a lot of tech. meek you know um have you ever talked to like i i have a move called the walrus the walrus yeah what's that which i use on a friend of mine who's actually like like she's like very very agile and and whatnot but i was like let me explain to you why there are weight classes in mma i'm going to use a a move called the walrus where i just lie on you and you can't get away So you, said you try that on the walrus. You just, and you're stuck.

I'm going to try that on Steinie. Yeah, well, that will win. If you have size on him, then I'll win. I'm Elon, you're Putin. Yeah, well, then I'm done advantage. You just use the walrus. You and try that. They're just, you just lie on them and said, that's the whole move.

You ever been in, well, I can see Joe Rogan saying that right now. He's got him in the walrus. You ever been in a fight? Yeah. What? What was the last fight you've been in? Someone talk to your girl or something will happen No

When I grew up the things were very violent So I was I mean I never started a fight or anything But I had a lot of fights that didn't want to be in And I got beaten up really badly in a few of them actually So But uh So I've been in like real hardcore street fights

Really At what age? I don't know From when I was maybe six to 16-ish what like people picking on you and shit yeah

I grew up in South Africa it was a very violent place so you think that's what motivated you to become what you are I mean maybe played a role certainly toughening you up that's for sure I mean the people say like

you know they're worried about words and stuff we're really worried about words and have been punched in the face, I'd say. You've been punched in the face real hard, right on the nose, man. You'll take any words rather than that, you know. Were you more quiet, like, back then, 6 to 16? Yeah, I mean, I was, I was bookish, you know. So I was, like, reading a lot of books and just kind of nerd, basically,

with computers and books and stuff. so um and um and um and i didn't i didn't get big until i like i was like a late bloomer from a size standpoint so i was like small relatively speaking i was like the youngest kid in the grade i was like almost the smallest kid in the grade so being small and and having some having violent bullies is a bad situation you know i want to do that too yeah and once i got to at all. He's 28th, though. Yeah. Never bloom, but it's okay. It's not getting up. You're not getting taller any sooner.

It's all right. I mean, but like, I only sort of, you know, got like a reasonably good size around age 15. And then around age 16 is when they stopped trying to beat me out because it didn't work out well for them.

Then the walrus came out at? They did. It is. They tried it. I knocked the guy out. Damn. Oh, wow. Yeah. Wow. Elon. Do you watch, like, a lot of UFC in M&A?

Yeah, it's actually not that, if you want a hard punch in the face, you're not a guy with bare fist, no problem. My guy. Yeah. Yeah. Bam. You watch UFC, he said. You watch a lot of UFC? Yeah.

I watch UFC from like, you know, the, I don't, I mean, I watch UFC occasionally these days. I watched the early fights with hoist Gracie Oh shit that shit was crazy Yeah crazy That was like we didn't have any rules basically I mean they had technically had some rules

Because you can't have like eye gouging kneecaps Or throat You know They had the same rules It's like if you really want to take someone out Just fucking punch them in the throat You know This is a game over

Poking the eye Or knock their kneecap off You still watch now So I see the occasional ones and I mean there's also a lot more it's still you know interesting to watch but there's a lot more technique and

yeah but you know these days they have like like weight categories yeah because if you have some you know 300 pound guy go against 100 pound guys not going to be a contest we go to a lot of fights we're going to friends with

Dana White the yeah so we love UFC too we're partners with one of the fighters Sugar Sean O'Malley yeah I mean it's it's pretty wild seeing these fights. I mean, it's a tough gig. It is. Tough gig. Yeah. And some of the injuries are gnarly, you know, like break a shit or something like that and just have a floppy leg. Or the long term like brain effects too. Like I have to say it's, yeah, like I know a lot about brains actually

and you really don't want to take a hard hit, like a bunch of hard hits. Like your brain's like kind of like jello. It's like jello and a coconut. Like your skull is a hard coconut. And And your brain is like a, it's like a, basically has like the consistency of jello. Really? So, yeah, the thing that damages you is actually the brain hitting the side of your skull, because skull's real hard. So it's actually technically something called the subarachnoid space, which is like the area between your brain and the skull.

The brain is crazy. Yeah, so you got like a little bit of, I don't know, like quarter inch or so of space between your skull and your brain. And then you, at a certain point, like a really hard, you know, hit is going to, you're going to lose some neurons, you know. So the guys, the guys in the NFL, the CTE thing's real, huh? Yeah, yeah. I mean, it just any kind of, like, real fast joke acceleration, your brain is going to get

damaged up against your skull. It doesn't matter if you go to helmet or it. How bad is a concussion? just one concussion. One concussion is probably okay. One? Yeah, if it's not too crazy. Repeated concussions or repeated injuries.

Like what's going to happen is you're going to lose, you're going to lose a certain number of neurons are going to die. So you smash your brain against your skull internally just due to a fast acceleration. You're going to lose some number of neurons. Now, if you keep doing that, you're going to lose enough neurons to make a difference. Your brain can handle a lot of neurons dying, but at a certain point, you're going to start losing mental capability. What does that do to you?

Oh, just you lose your ability to think? Yeah, at that point, you will have erosion of your ability to think or, you know, ability, like you could have damage to the motor cortex, in which case you could have like jitters or numbness or. So you lose memories, you know. You see that with a lot of NFL players. I know. What about the neurolinger praying chip?

Talk a little bit about that. Yeah, so the neural brain chip can help with brain injuries. Our initial goal is to help people who are like quadriplegics or tetraplegics. Like basically, you know, can't move anything to be able to operate their phone or computer faster than someone who's got working hands. That's like that's the first thing we're trying to get done. And then we think there's actually possible to create a like a neural shunt between, So if you've got like a neuralink in your skull connected to your brain, your motor cortex, you put another neural link, your spinal cord passed where the nerves are broken.

And then it's just like a wire, like it's like a wireless bridge of, because the neurons are kind of like wires. And if you've got a bunch of broken wires, you can have a wireless bridge from your brain to where the neurons are still alive. You could have full body reanimation. I thought the neuralink downloads information though, too, right? Like, can you learn, like, I don't know too much about it, but can you learn a whole language from a neuralink chip?

I mean, down the road, I think probably yes. We're still like neuralink version one, which is very basic. Think of it like a very early cell phone. Sure. Versus current cell phones. Do you ever worry, though, that at some point that's just going to make all humans at the same ability, if everybody has a neuralink? there will actually even out ability yeah i mean but bear in mind like you'll be able to see this coming

it's not going to happen like suddenly uh-huh so we haven't even had put one in in one human yet so we're hoping to do that maybe end of this year early next in a real human yeah yeah wow holy shit we already have it's working in in monkeys like we've got like a monkey that can play pong with a son i seen that they can play what play pong a monkey that that can play pong just by thinking like just it's not touching control or anything it's like playing so they made the monkey play ping pong like with the mouse

and then they stopped the mouse working a video game oh okay yeah video game wow first of all I think most people don't realize monkeys can play pong so step one monkeys can play pong

then so you train the monkey to play pong and you know and you give it like basically it just has like a banana smoothie that it can every time it it you know hits the ball using the joystick it gets a little sip on the banana smoothie.

And so then, so first you train the monkey pay pong. And then then you activate the neural link and you basically see when the monkey's moving the joystick, what neural signals do you read out? And then so you can see when the monkey's moving the joystick up or down, you're getting a certain neural output from the neural link device. Then you disconnect the joystick. The monkey's still moving the joystick, but the joystick's not connected anymore. That's crazy.

How long ago was that? I was like a year ago, I think. Is there going to be a point where the neural link can teach a monkey how to speak English? That would be so insane. We're getting some planet out of the age shit. Yeah, I mean. Just make some genius monkey and it's going to take over the world. Don't you want to do that?

Or like that Rick and Morty episode where they give the dogs. Are you a big Rick and Morty guy? The dogs take over the world. You got to be a big brain enhancer. Have you seen that episode? No, you're a big Rick and Morty guy, huh? Yeah, Rick and Morty's great. What else do you watch? Anything else?

I thought I should rewatch some of those episodes. You've seen Curb Your Enthusiasm? Yeah. A fan of that? Yeah, that's not bad. Breaking Bad is great. Better calls all? Yeah, I watched a couple seasons.

Have some guys? I couldn't get into house cars that much. Narcos? Vikings and Last Kingdom were pretty good I haven't seen that I heard that's good

Yeah Vikings last kind of I like that I like that And and Bachelorette probably

Vampire Diaries I haven't seen that The Office I've seen some episodes of The Office You like that dry humor stuff I mean I thought the office

is not bad I didn't find it Like I was really dying to see more Or have you seen the movie Office Space? No, I haven't. Office space is great. Oh, of course.

The movie? Yeah, great movie. Cute, classic movie. You guys see that. Yeah, it's a classic. Why do you like that, though? Why do you like that? I think you're dry humor.

It's very funny. It's a guy that works in 9 to 5. Guys, look at Elon's Twitter. Like, dry humor. Yeah, it's funny. I know, it's really funny. I like Mike Judge's humor in general. Yeah, Mike Judge's great.

Beavis and But with the NERLink. What do you think, like, do you think there's anything ever, do you think that could go wrong with it? Like, what if... Nothing could ever go wrong. What if the government... No, I mean... What if the government got involved in, like, Neurrelink? Well, I think...

So first of all, like I said, neuralink's like not... It's going to take a long time to advanced neuralink technology. So it's not like it'll suddenly be able to do super advanced things. It'll be like, slowly we'll, you know, get, you know, enable people who are... are like quadriplegics to be able to control their phone and they're, you know, try to live a normal, you know, normal life as much as possible. So you're going to start it with people that need it? Yeah, like it's going to be like a, because there's always some risk in the beginning, you know,

because there's new technology. So it's got to be like the risk rewards got to make sense. It's got to be, you know, there's some risk. So the reward's got to be big. So like if you're quite a quadriplegic and but with a neural link, you can, you can operate a phone even faster than someone who's working thumbs, then that would be a huge life changer, you know? So

the reward would be worth the risk. And like said, I think there's a way for us to actually take the motor signals from the motor cortex in the brain and have a second neural link that's past the point where the neurons are broken in your spine and then transmit those signals

so you can move your body again. Crazy. So I think you could enable people to walk again, which would be pretty wide. That would be like next level. Yeah, was like they're nervous getting Jesus level stuff you know seriously people that can't walk in time is this all you're thinking about because you say you go to sleep at 3 a.m. is it's what you think about like late at night like I wonder what goes on yeah sometimes uh most of my thinking uh is

like uh is on SpaceX and Tesla so that that absorbs the vast majority of how do you how do you knower link is to me even like almost more interesting than space like that is insane it's so cool I think it's kind of scary too but you're not very because how advanced can you make humans and then it's like no one there's no differentiator if like everybody can be the same level of intelligence

we'd be superhuman at that point right we would be superhuman yes you'd have the answer to everything these days almost everyone can have the same cell phone you know like it's like so you know cell phones are a great leveler and the internet is a great leveler because like

it used to be that information was very limited like in order to get learned something you have to go to a library. And if you didn't have access to the library, then you couldn't have access to information. But now anyone in the world with like a $100 phone and like internet cafe can access all information, you know, learn anything, essentially. So the internet is a great leveler for information and education. You just learn anything online for basically for free. Do you see Neurlink as like one day everyone will have one or would it only be for people that have like disabilities no I think so we're just starting off with like I said like long term

vision yeah yeah so we're starting off with things where it's like because there's like some risk you know so we're like we're not sure things will go right so there's got to be the some risk because new technology so the reward has to be really high like you know being able to use a phone versus not use a phone you're having your you know be able to walk or not walk it's a big big reward so that's how we'll start off and then you know I think there's like a bunch of things that could be addressed like extreme depression or like morbid obesity like where people like died age 35 like that's we could like literally change a setting in your brain and and turn total hunger which would pretty pretty pretty cool you know if somebody's got like serious depression

to the point where they're like suicidal you could fix Yeah, I'm sure right. The benefits are huge. Or just come out of the cans, man. Sure. We got to try, we have a banana flavor that we're sampling and we put our board ape on there. Do you just like trolling? Yeah, I love trolling.

Trolling rocks. Yeah. I mean, that's dope. If you can get like 100,000 likes like that on Twitter, you just troll people. You know who else likes to troll? Do you ever respond to haters at all? Yeah, you went in with AOC a little bit, right? You went after her? Well, yeah, I mean, I don't...

I mean, she started it, you know? Yeah, she did start it. She did start it. What was that about? She was, like, coming after me and like, I don't know, some bullshit. I don't know. What pissed her off, do you know? Wait, what was that situation?

I don't know. She was like, I don't know attacking me for something. I don't know what it was. But then I was like, well, okay, why don't we have a poll and see who do you prefer, you know, like, wait, I think my poll was like, you know, it's like, oh, she was like saying, oh, billioners were evil. and you're a billionaire, and therefore you're evil or something like that, you know. And I was like, well, you're a politician.

Yeah, who's that? Take that. You know, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. And then I held a poll like, okay, which one do you, I don't know, like more politicians of billionaires? And they're like, billioners won by a lot, you know. So I was like, okay, take that, AOC. And then, and then like some, someone who was like super pro AOC ran a direct poll of like, you know, who do you like more AOC or Elon Musk? Expecting like AOC to win.

Oh my God. More by large majority. That was like, how ironic. I mean, okay, you know. When did you? You end the meme arena. Yeah, it's like the meme, MMA, you know. You walrister on the polls?

Yeah. Well, you knew you were going to win by like a large, no, I mean, I don't know for sure. No, you knew. Favorite billioners. She's popular. She got a lot of, she got a lot of fans. She does.

She has a diehard following. Sleem doesn't know who she is, but I think you'd like her. I don't really know too much about her. No, no, not her politics. I think you'd think she's a. She's attractive. Yeah. Oh,

you know what she is. Okay. Yeah. She's all right. She's all right. Yeah, great choice of lipstick, I think. Great taste in lipstick is, I mean, that's my application. That's genuine compliment.

Telling I'm wrong. Great choice of lipstick. Oh, God. Were you always, like, were you always, like, publicly more, like, conservative? I feel like that's something a little more recent. Am I conservative? Or just like, I mean, no, no, no. Do I think conservative?

Well, you're like a billion. that even even even I mean what does that mean anyway I've heard that well supporting conservatives like DeSantis and stuff like that I think DeSantis is like I don't know he seems like you're doing a good job in Florida you know he wasn't like he's doing it dope he's doing an amazing job yeah I think he's doing a good job in Florida and just like not many billionaires come out and like I don't know I don't see it like it's mostly you know don't you get that pressure yeah I definitely get a lot of pressure I mean there's like people pushing me all sorts of directions but I would say like I

I think I'm a moderate, you know, I don't know, at least, you know, I generally think like, you know, we should let people, like, you know, the government shouldn't oppress the people and stuff, you know, and shouldn't be, like, mandating lots of things, you know, telling people what to do, you know. We don't want, like, a big brother situation where the government's just, like, you know, busting people around. And, you know, so we should just make sure, like, you know, freedom in America is preserved. You know, the craziest thing to me, too, how come Tesla, for instance, is so dominant in the electric car space? Because I know, you know, Fisker, Nicola, all these others, but they can't compete, like, at any level. Book Club on Monday. Gym on Tuesday. Date night on Wednesday.

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Like, why are you so far ahead of all these guys? Is Fisker even a thing? Yeah. They're trying. He was. Second go, Henry Fisker. Well, the hard problem is not making a prototype. The hard problem is making the factory.

So the factory is like 100 times, maybe 1,000 times harder than the prototype. So that's why I'm like working here. I mean, I was in the Tesla factory Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. You said you're there? I was there literally this past Friday, Saturday, Sunday. in the factory or weekend basically because we're

working or bringing up the factory it's really hard to do production so the issue is like prototypes or easy production is hard you've got to have this giant factory which is like the cybernetic collective

with 10,000 things that can go wrong and you've got to solve them all really fast if you don't solar problems fast enough the factory doesn't go and you've got some big factory It's going to burn money like crazy if you can't make a product. So, like, manufacturing is underrated. It's really hard.

Well, do you worry about the competition or you like it? I'm not worried about the competition. Not for the standpoint of, like, oh, hey, it's just not a thing. It's not a, like, our Tesla's success or failure will not be because of competition. It's like, do we make a high-quality product out of price people can afford? And I kind of feel guilty right now, like our prices are kind of high, you know. Because we also just don't know where inflation's headed. Sure.

Inflations, like, because like the wait list for some Tesla, depending on which model it is, could be like up to a year. So then if you're like, okay, we need to move up on that. Yeah. Yeah. Then if like inflation is 9%, well, we better increase, have prices for, you know, if a car sold today delivered in a year, we have to anticipate the inflation. Yeah. like our, frankly, our prices are embarrassingly high right now. So I'm hoping inflation goes down.

I think it probably will, actually. It's like a little too early to tell, but I think the trend is that, like at Tesla, we're seeing the prices of commodities six months out, the more are going down than up. So that's like a positive sign on the inflation front. But we'll see. It's a little too early to tell. Is there anything you can share?

on the cyber truck updates yeah yeah um so we expect to be in volume production of cyber truck next year so it's it's a since it's like a radically different architecture from any other car it's it's quite difficult to figure out how to make it you know because it's not you can't just use prior techniques to manufacture the cyber truck you have to invent a whole new set of manufacturing techniques for the cyber truck. But I think at this point we feel like we've got a handle on all the issues and we expect to start delivering them about the middle of next year. We need like 20 of them.

We want to, this is our alcohol and we want to wrap them in Happy Dad. We're going to make them more delivery trucks. I think it's a sick part. I mean, it's great. How many people are on that list? All Happy Dad delivery trucks? We need 20 of them, Elon. And it will be all wrapped Happy Dad.

People will Instagram them. Like the thing about Star Trek is going to change the whole look. the roads we're happy to pay how so we're happy to pay we're happy to pay we just need well if you just see it different looking pickup truck it just a it's just a like the whole aesthetic is just it looks like cg i in real life like even when you're standing right next to it i mean imagine picking up a girl on a cyber truck yeah that would be the ultimate like it's pretty much it's the hard work's done like the second she gets in the car it's just kind of like over you know my test my tesla now we're repopulating you know it does well it's military green

does well. What did you pull up in? What Tesla do you? What's your everyday? I used to driving a Model S. Monolith. Yeah. It's a beauty. And I mean, I mean, you know, with the model I was aiming for something that, what is the car I want to drive more than anything? And so since I have kids, it's like, we need four doors and stuff. You know, you just be able to put the kids seat somewhere. But also wanted to be really good with handling and acceleration. What do you have? You have Model S? I have the Model S 2021. Yeah, Model S is a second.

I like the car. I mean, it's just, it's like a perfect car. That's great. I mean, I got a Y. I got a Y. What else would you want? No, unless you're, that's what I agree. This guy hits the charging stations way too late.

Oh, too much. Yeah. Supercharger, man. Hey, you're getting all that money. Part of our content. One of our guys, Steve, the one who lost his YouTube channel is giving away Tesla. He's given away. I think he's about 12 or 12 Tesla in the last year and a half.

Yeah, Tesla. It's cliche, but Tesla is. amazing. Thanks. What about solar panels? What's the future on that? I think solar will be the single biggest source of energy in the world. So, and Tesla does quite a lot

of solar. It's growing fast. Solar cities, you as well? Well, Solar City was acquired by Tesla, but then we retired the Solar City brand and now it's just Tesla. Tesla, okay. Yeah. Although they still like a lot of houses that were installed with Solar City and stuff.

so yeah um and um yeah but like for a sustainable energy energy future you got solar power and then you need battery packs stationary battery packs to store the solar power because obviously sun doesn't shine at night um and uh and then electric vehicles and then you got a fully sustainable future so the the real value of Tesla is accelerating the advent of sustainability. It's like, that's like, what, what is the real value of Tesla to civilization? It will be accelerating sustainability by 10 years, maybe 20 years. Wow. Yeah. Do you use autopilot? What's that? Hell yeah. I use it. Yeah, but, you know, I do like autopilot, but I do like to

just have my hand. Oh, I use autopilot because I'll go from L.A. to O.C. Yeah. Which is I said? Which one do you? Well, not saying that. You're not supposed to be your phone, but, but they, but the But the, but like, in traffic, Autopilot is awesome. It's amazing. Because, like, in traffic, you don't have any opportunity to, like, you know. Autopilot's changed my life straight up. Well, yeah. Well, not that I don't trust you or anything, but I just have to have my hand on the wheel.

Well, we always say keep your hands on the wheel, you know. I'm being very honest. I mean, like, you know what you hear the beep? Like, eh, eh, eh. That's the best thing I'm going to tell you about the Tesla that I've noticed is the autopilot feature just changes the game for anybody. Yeah. It's seriously insane.

If you're commuting in traffic, it's, it's, it's, amazing. Total game change. Especially in L.A. Yeah. I love the piano and the fire. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

And you know what you do? I took a check to a... The honks are crazy too. How do you do that? You just come up with that. You can fart if you honk the car. Yeah, yeah. I've used that ad that on my car.

Yeah, yeah. There's an internal fart app where you can make a fart sound like it's coming from any seat in the vehicle. So, you know, just using like spatial audio. So, like, and people aren't expecting that, you know. Yeah. I usually when people are walking across you. I know who came up with that idea.

There's the external fart and the internal fart. Elon died when he thought of that idea. So the external fart, the horn can make a fart sound so you can like just fart at people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then the internal fart one is you can have different parts sounds, but you can pick which seat it's coming from. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the bat.

Yeah, yeah. So like where somebody who doesn't know this exists, you can really mess with them, you know, because they're just not expecting it. Like, you can say, like the fart sound should come from the right rear seat. And the speakers will just produce it from there. And I feel like, well, no, even using it outside, like, when I use it on people, like,

sometimes just fuck around and all this eye honk and stuff, people usually, I would expect them to get mad. It's kind of like, it's funny, though. That's the one thing, though, if you want to honk at somebody and you fart at them, I don't know if it's as like, yo, you cut me off. You know what I'm saying? Like, I want to know, like, yo, dude, you cut me off. But it's funny.

They're probably laughing. It's kind of funny, you know. He likes the road rage. Yeah, you can also make the sort of the car can, the external speaker can, like when you're just cruising around a parking lot or something, you can make it play like, you know, Polynesian elevator music or like snake jazz. Or you can make it like play the coconut sound from Monty Python. So it's like clop, clop, clop, clop. Sounds like cohorts. It's a pretty sick part.

Any other features you haven't tapped into, you want to launch? I mean always like little things here and there's a whole bunch of Easter eggs in the car which I think people found almost all of them online Easter eggs? Yeah, Easter eggs meaning like little things you can do with the car.

Mystery things you've got to discover yourself. Yeah, you can discover yourself or technically you just Google it or whatever. Anything anybody hasn't discovered? Not that I know. But sometimes there's like things like the guys don't tell me that are in there. Oh, wow.

You know, found out. So, like, only recently, I found that voice command open butthole, we'll open the chargeboard door. You tweeted that. Yeah. We'll open a couple days ago. If you use voice command open butthole, then the chargeboard door opens. Wow. Yeah.

Is there a supercharging for the house? I saw that tweet. It's just crazy because nobody else does it like this. Yeah, no. No other car companies have no sense of humor. No. Like, they are super serious. No fun. No fun. Yeah. Exactly. I mean, I go with the Tesla, just like, what's the most amount of fun you can have in a car, basically? And I think like, why wouldn't you do that, you know? Hell yeah. Yeah. Well, that's such a rare quality you have you on. Is that you're such a smart guy, but you're also like, you know what to relate to the people? Yeah. Well, I mean, I just like what's the thing that I want. Like the car is the most fun, you know? Yeah, you definitely have comedy in you. Yeah. I have comedy. It's down up as my sidehouse. Do you have superchargers? Do you have superchargers for the house? Or is it just a small ones? I know. I just use very good charges.

well we got a supercharger in the house man i'm tired of going to those tests of supercharging places man it's like i just need a regular you know regular wool charger yeah is what you need that's true yeah um he's the guy that doesn't plug his iPhone in it like at night you know what i'm always i'm always at three miles yeah i will tell you though i've been on zero miles for at least 20 minutes on the road and i've gotten to a supercharger so thank you for that anyway i don't Yeah, I mean, it does have more miles than it says. When it says zero, it actually got a few more miles left. Wow.

So, yeah. So, yeah, more fun stuff coming down the road. We're actually just, we're trying to get, like, steamworking on Tesla's. So, like, you can play, once we get steamworking, then you can play any game that's on Steam on a Tesla. Oh, really? Yeah. That's huge. It's cool.

Wow. It'd be kind of fun, especially if you get the self-driving thing going, you know, like, what are you going to do? You know, like be on your phone or play a game or watch a movie or something. So then it's crazy. It's funny because people always say, yo, I fell asleep, but I had the autopilot. Yeah. But during the autopilot, you have to hold the steering of it, let them know you're there. Well, yeah, what'll happen is if you do fall asleep, then the car will stop beeping at you

and, like, really is going to beep at you real loud if you don't do anything. So let's wake you up? It'll wake you up. Sometimes people are, like, passed out. so much they don't wake up but then the car will just gradually slow down and put on the emergency blinkers well that's way better than pulling asleep at a car oh yeah auto pilot is going to crash absolutely um i mean the thing that got me to really you know um giddy up on the autopilot front was in the early days um there was a guy that uh fell asleep

at the wheel on a model s and um and he ran over cyclist and killed a cyclist oh my yeah the model s is he uh well then it was just like you know this happens all the time actually you know it's like people fall asleep at the wheel and they like run over well isn't that with the model y you kind of like just fall asleep i would think the model s is kind of like a downgrade version right no model i'm talking about early model s we're talking about 2013 before there was any autopilot oh so um there was a guy that that fell asleep at the wheel and he he veered off the road and killed a cyclist oh my god this happens all the time you know so um and i was like man if we just had autopilot then that cyclist would still be alive You know, so it's like we better hurry up with the autopilot get that working, you know. That's nuts. Do you ever feel like, I mean, maybe or maybe not, but do you ever feel guilty when someone is like sleeping behind a wheel and then some bad happens like that? Well, I mean, now with a, with autopilot that's less likely. And we also have like, even if the autopilot's not on, like a lane departure warning to just, you know, beep at them, which will help wake him up.

and I think probably we'll just start adding the autopilot safety features like we're pretty sure you don't want to crash or run someone over you know so so we'll just you know

steer the car in the right direction even if you don't ask us on the assumption you do not want to crash is there ever going to be a time where you don't even have to touch the wheel and you can say hey I'm going to go from L.A. to San Diego

put in the GPS don't need to do anything I mean you can do that right now with a full self driving beta. Oh, you can? Yeah. You don't have to touch the wheel, let them know you're awake or anything?

Well, you need to touch the wheel just to confirm that you're paying attention. But the car is capable of doing that, most likely without any intervention. That's insane. We need those ASAP. Yeah. Now, as the product matures and we get to very high levels of reliability, then we'll get to the point where you won't need to touch the wheel or pay attention, you could basically just fall asleep and wake up at your destination.

Wow. That's a mind-funk. That's insane. Like, Jesus Christ. How far are we from that? In fact, I mean, really, if you have your calendar synced with the car or it's just, if you don't say anything, the car should just default take you to work or take you home, you know? Like if it knows or take you to the destination in your calendar, you just don't even say anything.

Just get in and get out there. Yeah, that's it. Do you think we're headed into like a big recession? I don't think we're headed into a big recession. I'd say like maybe a mild recession. But it could be a mild recession that lasts for a couple years, something like that, you know. But the thing that's hard to predict, I was like, like, you know. You know, if there's like, you know, like, if there's like a war between China and Taiwan or something like that, that would send the world into a recession.

You know, and, you know, that's always, that's a possibility. You know, if there's some like big, big event, you know. But like, and there is a challenge in China right now with... You should scary. The Taiwan China. Taiwan and China stuff is worrying. Time is scary. There is, independent of that, there is, there's kind of a looming bust in the property market in China, where there's just been, they've overbuilt apartments and buildings in general.

There's this too many, too many housing, too many primary housing units in China, which seems crazy because a lot of people in China. but the China has overbuilt primary housing units and people have speculated on primary housing units just like the U.S. did in lead up to 2008. So in the U.S. lead up 2008, the U.S. was building primary housing units at twice the rate of household formation. So if you, you know, if you're making houses twice as fast as families are forming, then obviously something's got to give. And we're doing that in the U.S. for a while. And so China's been doing that as well, but even more. So that's a correction that's going to happen. But ultimately, the Chinese economy will be gigantic and is gigantic, and we'll recover from this.

But there's going to be probably a temporary recession in China driven by an over-allocation of resources towards construction. So, yeah. Based off of like the primary living stuff, how do you think like, if we're talking about tiny houses, right, being sustainable, stuff like that? How do you persuade people who can afford to live in a million-dollar houses to be like, yeah, you can live in this $50,000 box that might not care about the environment? I don't think everyone's going to live in a $50,000 box. You know, that's definitely not needed. You don't think that's a goal at some point?

No. I mean, if somebody wants to live in a tiny house, just because I want to live in a tiny house, I guess I'm living in a tiny house in South Texas. But, you know, it's fine. but it's not like it's necessary for people to live in a tiny house just to save the environment got it yeah how tiny is your house like how many bedrooms do you have in there how many square feet is a box deced uh i don't know it's like maybe eight or nine her square feet something like that what about AI stuff you ever fear about an AI revolution

or rebellion yeah that is a risk um AI is advancing rapidly. That would be in my risk list. How soon do you think that is? Something you got to worry about now or 10 years? Probably less than 10 years. Really? For what?

Robots, AI, is to attack the human species. Not necessarily to attack, but when is it dangerous? When they become smarter than us, I guess. Ten years? I mean, the computers are already smarter than us in most ways. But when they know, hey, we can take us. on AI at shit. Yeah.

Let's go. I mean, those things could be hacked too. Well, I think that's a big fear too, more than aliens. Because computers, like you said,

are smarter than us. So when do they, when do they become smarter to be like, yeah, we can take over the world. Yeah, computers are already

smarter than us in most respects. But, but do they have that sense of, like, power? Like, it's, it's AI. Like,

like, does power come from, like, being, like, human and, like, like, consciousness?

Like, an AI necessarily going to, like, seek that power to, like, destroy human? Not necessarily nonetheless it's programmed to do so. Right now there's a tremendous amount of AI technology in advertising. Of course. So, like, I guess if the, you know, there's, like, a massive amount of AI is trying to get you to click something. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It feels like even our phones, like people are talking all the time, you're talking about a topic and then you get ads to buy something.

they listen that alone i think is kind of scary well did you see what tick talk you give access to no you give them access to like everything really no one reads it are you on tictock yeah you're twitter only i always wondered why no word yeah why is that i mean only need one means of like communicating to people you know so um do you have a secret IG account instagram account that you have a secret of course was a guy like zero followers and you just Yeah, I literally just like I can click on links and stuff. You just like troll people. Yeah, you troll people for sure.

I don't know. Actually, I haven't trolled anyone. You got burner accounts, man? No, actually, I haven't trolled anyone. Weirdly, I don't have. I feel like that's cap. You have had to have trolled somebody. Even John, like, yo, you're kind of a pushy guy, bro.

No, you know, the crazy thing is that. I wasn't that pushy. I've never had any Twitter account except my own. Why don't you just launch on Instagram, too? Yeah, you'll pop off. Help us out, man. Well, no, I mean, I was an Instagram. for a while.

He can get you verified. I mean, so the problem is like Instagram, man, it's just a thirst trap, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Instagram's next level thirst trap. So. On the women's side. Yeah, yeah, totally. And if you're Elon, it's kind of sauce. I found myself taking like a lot of selfies and shit

and I'm like, what the fuck, man? Yeah, your DMs. Why am I doing this? And then I was like, listen, I was this thing, and I'm like,

oh, I'm trying to get more likes and do something. selfies, I'm not going to, I'm not going to, I got to stuff. For the Instagram models, like they just, yeah, but I just, man, you should just make a meme page. Yeah, like a fuck Jerry type, but edgier, yeah, political a little bit. Your Instagram would be pretty dope. Bro, if you just had me on a page.

I've only seen one photo of you and that was you next to a computer. That is the only photo I've ever seen of you on Instagram. Okay. I've never seen any other ones. On Instagram? Yeah, like, I thought it was your actual account, but it wasn't, I guess. Oh, that's a lot of fakes. Yeah, of course, yeah.

I mean, I found like, you know, there's just, I can, whatever message I'm trying to get across, I can just throw on Twitter and people repost on Instagram and stuff. Yeah. How about Snapchat? I don't use Snapchat. Do you use Snapchat? I have it. Do you use it? Yeah.

Okay. A little bit. Like snap a few girls. Yeah. I like, I actually like the stories they have. Our official one's pretty big, though. Snapchat's pretty good for news, actually, too. Yeah, we get like two million opens.

And then for promoting our stuff, Snapchat is great, too. Snap's just for, like, women, I guess. Snap's low-key, like, one of the best ways to promote stuff, I find, too. Yeah, because they don't unfollow you or anything. It's like, you're there forever. And our, on our official page, it's like, only our die-hearts follow it. You know, like, random, you don't follow a random person on Snapchat. Like, you've got to be a di-heart.

But you rarely see somebody unad somebody on Snapchat, right? And that's why I think what you say, like, it's very personal, too. If you tell someone to do something, like, go like this post or go do this, I find it on Snapchat. It's very personal, so they do it. We have meetups in thousands and thousands. I think we did one in Fort Worth and it was like almost 5,000 people showed up. Yeah, we shut down in helicopter, Fort Worth PD said if we show up, we're going to get arrested for inciting a riot because there's too many people there. Wow. That was all promoted on Snapchat. Like we didn't even really post it anywhere else. We just posted on Snapchat and went viral from there. Can we promote a launch

and have a meetup at a launch? Well, it's actually, it's easy. see launches from Florida because there's a, um, you can go get pretty close. And we have launches every week. Have you ever had a, have you ever had a, Elon? Can I show you on? Wait, but hold on. Have you ever had a violation or any problems, like, tweet taken down? Anything like that? Actually, no, I guess that, um, I, I've put some, some pretty borderline tweets, but. No problems? Um, they've never actually, they've never taken a direct action against me, but I think they might have like shadow band it or something. Twitter's personal, too. I mean, same thing as Snapchat.

Twitter probably loves having you on, though. I think Twitter needs... Elon, I tweeted this one, this is right after we had Trump on our podcast. Okay. It got like 100,000. What did you say? Okay, cool.

You don't like a tweet high and they'll get a hundred thousand. Do you know, hold on. Do you know what your most viral tweet is at all time? For you, it's good. Like your most viral, like retweeted likes. Yeah. What is it? It's, next I'm going to buy Coca-Cola and put the cocaine back there.

That break a million? That was a million? You know, that was... Oh, wow. How many likes did that get? Yeah, I bet it got a million, no? I think you got like 4 million or something. Oh, my God.

Did they used to have coke in it? If you were on Twitter, I was dingy with likes. So, like, getting 4 million likes is insane. Did it used to have cocaine? Yeah, you're right. I did. Cocaine used to have cocaine back in the day. What days was that?

Yeah, I wasn't born. Do you have stuff in your draft? That was the most popular tweet of all time. How long ago did you tweet? The most popular tweet ever made by a living person. It's amazing. Wow. Your tweet, the man on Twitter.

It's the second most popular one after Chadrick Boseman, but that was... Do you use AI to predict what tweets are going to, like, slap? I don't think that one would go stratosphere. No, that shit was funny. What's your shit? I saw that shit. That may have been what I hit you up for. That was what trigger for me to call you for this.

And then I added added Coca-Cola and said, listen. Like, listen to the people, you know. Does Coca-Cola? Such a troll. Come on. Does Coca-Cola reach out to you? The people are saying, put the cocaine back in. Clearly, they want it.

So, come on. Did they reach out to you about that? Back to your roots. Elon, do you just tweet? Do you just tweet whenever? Like, do you just tweet whenever? Like, whenever you feel like it? Yeah, pretty much.

That's so savage. You're the only guy that has the balls in your position to do that. Everybody else, like, has a lawyer, gets approval. He has no fuck. Do you have some tweets that you're thinking about right now? know? Like, do you have any in your draft that we could just? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. What's in the dress? Exactly. What's in the draft folder? I mean, a good friend of mine just did say, like, listen, if there's something that maybe is not a wise tweet, why don't you save in the draft

folder to see if you want to send it the next morning? And I'm like, okay, I'm not saying what they are, but there are a few in the draft folder that I, that I, at the next morning, I was like, okay, probably I shouldn't send that. So, but it was pretty insane for me to challenge Putin to, you know, one-on-one combat. How viral did that go? It went pretty viral. And then it even got in like Russian telegram and stuff. And then I got like...

Would you ever take on Kim Jong-un? I mean, if he wants. I saw you... I'm not going to say no. What about a friendly competition? I feel like Kim Jong-un would be down. I mean, you know, if he wants... Putin's not really about it.

I feel like he just chills with chicks. No, but he had some people. I remember you tweeted like, if I disappear in the middle of the night. You know where I went. And then I think your mom got involved, right? Yeah. Yeah, no.

I mean, she said that's not funny. She didn't say that's not funny. Yeah, I mean, like, I don't have an assassination squad, you know. Yeah. Well, you got to protect yourself, though. You got us. That's one of the key differences between. That's a problem, though.

You don't ever feel scared if you go out Russia or Kim Jong-un? No, I did think, like, man, this could be a really, this could really backfire and result to die. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Vessel center. You worry about that? you worry about like some of these people

not understanding your humor and taking little scissors Britain doesn't have a great sense of human who? I think he'll say that at all relax how do we set this? I don't think he doesn't crack droughts that often

but I mean maybe he does behind the scenes he does for sure he's got a secret telegram account maybe he's got a yeah maybe he's like you know it might be pretty funny So No, that was a little risky You know

So Yeah I mean Probably tweeting can be hazardous to your hell It sounds like you have no fear You don't fear anybody I don't have death wish Right

Yeah I mean Everybody's gonna die Just question to win So How do we create something to keep us alive longer. I'm not worried about dying.

Can we create something to keep us alive longer or no? Have you looked into that? Longevity and stuff? Yeah. I don't know if we should have longevity, because the people who will get the longevity capability first are probably people. You wouldn't want to live that long. Rich people, right?

How long would you want, you know, I don't know, some. There's like, I think a lot of people in power who you wouldn't want them to have some super longevity situation. because then they never be out of power. You think that's going to be possible, though, with, like, modern medicine and just everything we're doing? Some amount of longevity, I think, is probably, it's certainly possible.

You say it's possible, sure. You'd think that'd be a focus for something. I think I could probably solve longevity to some degree. But I don't want to. What if somebody, I guess it doesn't matter for you. No, yeah. If someone approached you and said, hey, I need to live 150 years, you're saying no way

I think we'll definitely do that like people will definitely be able someone's going to do that no but I mean if it takes you 10 15 years to develop at least living like 10 whatever 10 extra years yeah

if the right person came to you yeah the problem is like you know when people get old they don't change their minds they just die so if you want to have progress in society you got to make sure that you know people need to die

because they get old they don't change their mind Absolutely. So if all people just live for a super long time, I think society would get lazy, right? Very stale, you know, very ossified. It's pretty crazy. I mean, if you live forever, what the fuck, you don't care about tomorrow. Yeah, in a way.

But also, yeah, older people are stuck in their ways, right? Like, they've lived their whole life. They're not like... All people are stuck in their ways and they don't change their mind. Some people are just ready to die. Yeah, I mean, good... Yeah. Lived enough life.

I think you sort of... you're ready to die. Would Neurrelink be able to save people's memories? Like, could you technically download memories and put it in another person? Yeah, sufficiently advanced NeurLink would be able to save state. Now, you wouldn't be exactly the same person, but you're also not exactly the same person when you wake up every morning. You're a little different from when you went to sleep.

So, a sufficiently advanced NeurLink would enable you to record and... technically could be like a clone in a different body so to say yeah sufficiently advanced neuralink you could save game basically you think they've cloned humans I don't know I'm not aware of any cloning of humans that has actually taken place but if you say is it possible to clone humans it's very possible right of course because they've admitted to cloning sheep right well you can get your dog cloned right now yeah exactly like literally it's a dog cloning service where you do that so there's got to be clones on This is even advertising for it. Like, if you search clone my dog. You can clone your dog? That's like, that's like, and your cat.

That's kind of common. I don't know if I like that. It's not even rare at this point. Shervin has a clone dog, doesn't he? What? Shervin does? I don't want to quote it, but we'll run by Shervin. 10 clones and they'd be like your dog times.

Shervin has like the most like dope. That'd be pretty weird. Whatever they're called. I don't know if I like that. Not pit bulls, but. Staffordshire. I think they're cloned. Anyway, you can literally, not only the clone that they're, they're, they're,

the top three links are going to be advertising for cloning your dog or cat that means there has to be there's a clone on the planet well how much does that cost a clone a dog you know maybe not in us it's it's expensive it's got to be expensive right i think it's like 50 grand 50 grand to clone a dog that's not even that crazy man i'm doing that people can afford that there's people out there that can afford that's craig yeah i'm like a second craig 50 grand like three craigs yeah yeah Renee what do you think oh shit and they'll just run around. I mean, as long as you don't have to train them, it might be better.

Yeah. I mean, if they're already trained to go outside, then shit, clone might be the option. Well, you can literally, I think there's a dog cloning service here in Austin. Oh, my God. Yeah. What is going on? That's crazy. That's crazy.

I think it's just, if you can clone a dog, you can clone a human. Yeah. It's a same level of difficulty. Wow, that's scary cloning of human. I mean, someone's tested it somewhere. I'd bet my whole bank account on it. I feel like there's a lot of things that just happened. Clone Bradley Martin?

I mean, yeah. Is this really you? what? It feels like me. Like one of the things I was thinking about for like NeurLink that's kind of a real mind trip is like let's say NeurLink enables a full sort of recording of memories and like and all of your feelings and everything. That's the biggest thing right there.

You're like everything. Does the... But our feelings like chemical? But I guess it's your brain remitting it, right? Like here's a crazy thing. Everything you've ever felt, all your remote, it's all electrical signals. Right. Whoa.

It's all coming in. It's all neurons firing. Holy shit. So the clones will have feelings and... You could record everything. Oh my God. That's scary. That's when the AIs take over, though.

Yeah, what I'm saying? Like, so... That is insane. Yeah. You could actually even recreate like a video game that's like the most real video, like the very game where every sense that you feel is you're in the game. So what does that mean? Like, this could be a neuralink video game.

But so does that mean if you die in the video game, you die in real life type thing? Not necessarily. But does your mind convince you of that? Well, you could do anything. You can make the brain believe anything. Like, what is death? Death is the loss of information. So, like, if you, let's say, like, if you got disintegrated, but then got, you know, reintegrated

immediately with no pain or anything did you die well not not really because you're you're still continuing so like you know we're in a video game you do die you die a lot in the video games but but do then you come back to a saved game state yeah and now so so you say like what is death what does what does death actually mean it's the loss of the information associated with that individual. And if you no longer have lots of information associated with that individual, death has no meaning. I mean, it could hurt, I suppose.

GTA-5. This is crazy. Do you play video games? Yeah. What are you game? I just played Eldon Ring, which is really great. Eldon Rain? Eldon Ring. I've never even heard of that. Have you guys? Eldon Ring is amazing.

What console? I play PC. Really? What's the game? I'm sorry. I haven't heard of it. Eldon Ring is a great game. It's probably a game of the year. I'm going to get roasted by the gaming community, but you're screwed. It's a from software. It's like a shooter?

It's like a fantasy game. It's awesome game. I highly recommend playing Eldon Ring. Well, now I'm going to play it. I promise you. It's great. It's sick. Elmering has the most beautiful art I've ever seen.

Super advanced. It's just beautiful art. Did you grow up? Artistically amazing. Did you grow up playing like video games? Yeah, I grew up playing very primitive video games. Because I'm like 51, so that's no spring chicken. So like Super Smash, Nintendo?

I played a, I mean, when I was... That's primitive to us, but probably not super primitive to... Yeah, no, I was, you know... I was alive before there was even pawns. I had a console the console before Atari for the original Atari I only had four games

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what about sports the consoles are or convert it doesn't benefit the world right the console at this point are old basically PC there's just no challenge there really I'm not sure there's value to be added by another console so the games I play on the PC

I've only played a few games on the console but I'll play a lot of games on the PC Is the game that you were talking about multiplayer Like do you play with a headset? Sort of multiplayer So have you ever played with like random people? Yeah I mean I've played Overwatch And I Do you talk in the mic?

let it like no okay let me like no it'd be wild I feel like you'd have some good chirps though yeah um I've played

I've played the entire evolution of video games from like I said early like Pongs Space Invaders stuff Pac-Man all the way through to you know server high resolution

multiplayer online games um At one point, I was quite competitive at Quake and played what I think was maybe the first paid e-sports thing in the U.S. was a Quake tournament. And my team came second. We would have come first, except I was the second best guy on the team and the best guy, his computer glitched halfway through the game.

How hard did you chew out your team after you lost or did you? We've got money and stuff. Really? Yeah. Although, yeah, I mean, it wasn't a big check. How does a team come together with you on it? They sent us an actual month check for playing video games. Like a SpaceX team?

No, it was my first company. Oh, nice. It's a very early internet company. But I play a lot of games, basically. Do you imagine if Elon goes GTA streaming? I mean, you'd break the internet in multiple ways, but that'd be the most insane. What are you playing? You play GTA?

Multiple. I'm really embarrassed to me to admit this. I play a fortnight. Okay. Yeah. 2K is dope too. I'll play 2K. 2K. 2K.

2K. 2K. Do you play Fortnite? I know. It's really bad. But Fortnite's like the most advanced game. It was the first like, it was huge. It was so big and they took up to no build.

You ever play Fortnite or no? No. I've seen videos of it. It's so fun. Time to grow up, you know? Yeah. What about chess? I played chess when I was a kid.

I was on the school chess team. But I, I was on the school chess team. But I find chess is like, it's a simple game, frankly, in my opinion. There's a strategy game called Polytopia, which you can get on your phone, which I think is probably the best strategy game. Polytopia now? Polytopia. You think chess is simple?

Yeah. Well, I mean, okay. How about Connect 4? Sorry? Oh, Connect 4 is a real game. Connect 4 is simple too. Very simple. Well.

To who, though, now? No, no. Chess, I mean, you only have 64 squares. There's no fog of war. There's no tech tree. You know, so you started adding far, fog of war, tech tree. have like 400 squares, you know, a very wide range of units where you can build any unit, you know, wide range, then the degrees of freedom are just so much greater than chess.

So you're raw as fuck as in chess, right? Well, are you undefeated in chess is the real question? I was pretty good at chess as a kid. Have you been beat? Yeah, it's not like a won every game. But, you know, I guess when I came to the conclusion that like computers are going to get better than humans. Oh, yeah. by a lot.

That's when it gets boring, huh? Yeah, I mean, I just, I didn't want to spend like a mess amount of effort, just, you know, understanding, you know, a zillion sort of, you know, knight bishop combinations for sure. Two points and game bullshit. Yeah, of course. I'm curious now. You got a great love.

I am curious now. Yeah, best laugh at probably. You got a great now. Is it a different? Yeah, it's great. Polterpias is great. I need a new addiction Yeah, that's awesome

I'm just curious Do you gamble at all? Do you play poker, cards, nothing like that? Nope. I've never got into it. I've taken off risks in other matters. Yeah, the rocket chips. I do like video games

would be like my main sort of thing to do to quiet my mind, you know. Stop the demons in my mind for being at me. Are you religious at all? I would say I generally agree with the teachings of Christianity but I'm not a religious like I agree with you believe in a higher power and like you know like like turn the other cheek and love the neighbor as I myself and that kind of thing I think those are good principles of like yeah yeah I think good principles but do you believe in like a god or

like a higher power well something created the universe or the universe is you know here how it come to be. You could say whatever caused the universe to come to be is God or, you know, gods, depending on your view. I don't know. I think as a philosophy that I think makes sense is to go out there and is to expand consciousness so that we're better under better able to answer the questions of like what is the meaning of life, what is nature of the universe. what are even the right questions to ask. And if we can expand consciousness, more humans, and more digital intelligence, then our opportunity to understand the meaning of life is that much greater.

And so I would call, like to say, like, I have the philosophy of curiosity to understand the nature of reality. So you've never practiced any religions? No, I was sent to, you know, I was sent to, weirdly a Hebrew preschool. I'm not Jewish, but my dad sent me there because it was like nearby and I guess his partners in his engineering film, they sent their kids there. So I said Hebrew preschool and then Anglican Sunday school. And so I was like having a gill one day and Jesus is hello the next, you know. And, you know, so but I would say that I, you know, I've never

been particularly religious. Do you give an answer for what the meaning of life is, what your meaning of life is? Well, I think currently the thing to do is to expand humanity and consciousness to the point where we are able to answer that question. I don't think we can't answer that question yet, or we can't answer what's the meaning of life well yet. I find that so interesting how it's like you know we're technically like the most intelligent species on the planet so to say but we can't even no one on this planet can explain like or provide evidence of like our existence or how we were created i find that so and you know what i mean like no one on this planet could say how are we created that's why i feel like there has to be some sort of higher power you know

it's got to be like we're not smart enough to even explain our own existence well we can say step by step, based on the archaeological evidence, the fossil record, and what we know physics, how we came to be at this point. So, but that doesn't explain how the

universe came to exist in the first place. There had to be like something at some point. Like we can't even grasp that, right? Or is there some higher dimension on which thought and emotion exist? I don't know. Like how do molecules have consciousness and feelings.

So, you know, at least like the chain of events from a physics standpoint from the beginning of the universe to now are quite well understood. Really? Yeah. But somehow we're in from a bunch of hydrogen gas to complex molecules and then an assemblage of complex molecules like ourselves that can feel and talk and think. So, I mean, just if you leave hydrogen out long enough,

it starts talking to itself, basically. That's what happened here. So where along that path from a bunch of hydrogen molecules to humans, where did consciousness, start. It's crazy. So maybe everything's conscious. And we're a pattern of molecules.

Like the actual atoms in our body change. You know, so the cells in your body, I mean, some cells stick around for a long time, but most of the cells in your body are regenerated. So I think your skin regenerates every seven years or something like that. So you're not even the same. same molecules. You know, from one year to the next, the molecules in your body have changed. It's the pattern that stays relatively consistent, the pattern of molecules. So we're a pattern of molecules that can talk and think and feel. Anyway, this is why I think we should expand,

you know, we should have more kids and grow and expand consciousness and probably have digital consciousness too what do you mean by expand consciousness for more people to think yeah more people more people more thinking equals more consciousness you know like total consciousness is like how many people are times average amount of consciousness proportion for person that's like the total collective consciousness it's more like a collective group of like okay now there's like this many people so this many brains yeah exactly like more more brains is more yeah more consciousness yeah does it ever worry you that the younger generations like start to focus more on social media right so they're not going to be as educated on stuff like space you know things to keep the human civilization going

because it seems like the youth now like education is not as important as it used to be i don't know i mean i'm not like super in touch with the youth for today because uh i'm no i'm not a youth so i mean i guess i get some exposure to kids through my kids, but it's limited. And then even if I say like there's probably going to be a pretty big difference between, say, my twins who are 18 and, you know, like little X who's two, there will be a generational difference between that. Sure. Yeah. There's definitely these big generational differences. They can really see it, like watch some old movies like watch a movie from like the 60s or movies from the 70s maybe from the 80s you can see all these generational differences a lot yeah yeah every decade

like watch a movie from every decade and it's like it's like damn that generational difference is significant you know so you have a favorite movie ever I suppose it would probably be like the original Star Wars but that's part of it is like that's the first movie I ever saw in a theater Oh, really? Yeah. Wow. I think I saw I was six years old or something like that. Whoa.

So I really made an impression. Maybe that's where I like Rockets. That's where it all started, right? Yeah. Maybe that's why I like space stuff. It's interesting. It's got to be that. It's probably had an event.

Yeah. Yeah. I remember it being like super wow. First of all, like I said, never been in a movie theater before. And, or it's not that I can remember. And so imagine seeing like the first movie that you ever saw in a theater with Star Wars. It's kind of crazy. It's really going to make an impression.

Yeah. Six years old. Do you remember it like that? Yeah. I can remember. I can visualize coming out of the theater. That is insane. I was like that with Karate Kid.

Memory is one of the biggest thing to intelligence. That was my first one. You know what I mean? Do you see the series? All three? The series that made on. Oh, yeah. I saw the first season.

Yeah, the first season. Of what? Cobra Kai. Yeah. That's a deep cut. Yeah. You're into Kobe Kai? Cobra Kai?

It was, I watched the first, I think, a couple, two seasons. I mean, it is a twist of knife. Yeah, it is. It is. I didn't like it. I mean, no, it was great. The show is safe. But to me, yeah, yeah, exactly. Why? I mean, all saying, you don't like Daniel, after loving the guy for like 30 years, you know, 30 plus years. Yeah. Yeah, well, Daniel's OG. Yeah, he loved the guy. Yeah, but you got to see it. Yeah. Yeah. They make you not like them. It's literally the original actors, too. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Which is also crazy. I've always thought, too, something with people. I've known, I think memory is the biggest piece for intelligence. So,

If you have a really good memory, you're just going to be smarter than the average. Sure. Memory is a big deal. Because if you can remember walking out of the theater at six, I mean... I can't remember everything at six, but I, you know, certain things. I mean, like, sometimes you wonder, like, is it a real memory or a created memory? Like, so... Like, one of the things that I remember was, like, kind of traumatic when I was a little kid was...

And I must have been, like, four years old or something. And there was like a costume party like Halloween or something like at the Hebrew preschool that I was at. And I was being to, like my parents were out of town and my grandmother was taking care of me. And she's like not super sensitive to like, you know, religious stuff. And or anyway, she dressed me up as frigging Santa Claus for a Halloween party for a costume party at a Hebrew pre-school. Oh my God, it's amazing. Yeah. Whoa.

And how did rabbi respond to that? Not well. Not well. I went to Hebrew school too. Steinney's pissed. I got pulled out of school and I remember sitting there for like and not knowing what the heck was going on. And like, because they thought it was like some kind of deliberate insult, you know. Yeah, of course.

It was just like, oh, I don't know, it's random costume choice. And so then I'm like, I don't know why I'm being punished. And so I was like, is that a real thing that happened or did I just think that happened? And then my mom actually found a photo of it. Really? Yeah. How many, how many, they pull you back and say, hey, by the way, he's a picture. They pulled me out of school.

And I sat to sit in the, you know, principal's office or whatever for a couple of hours, it's a long time for a kid and wait for my grandmother, come pick me out. Wow. I got thrown out of school that day. I was like, it's kind of traumatic, and I remember that. I remember what that, I remember, like, what that sort of office looked like, where I was just sitting there for a couple hours, being confused about why I'm being thrown out of school. How old are you then?

I think it must have been, like, four, four, maybe five. Dude, how can you remember this stuff? You think if you read a... That's what I was saying. I was actually, while I wasn't sure, is this even real? And then, like, and then my mom turns out she had a picture. How are, like, memory stored in the brain? It's, like, crazy how we can just, like,

recall like things from i don't how does that sometimes it's butchered i feel like yeah sometimes when you try to recall memory you kind of like affect that memory as well it's kind of like what you want yeah yeah exactly yeah really yeah like they've done these tests where like they ask people to remember things and then um like it'll be sometimes like it'll be affected even by like your mood when you're remembering the memory like yeah what's your current state of mind and like that memory you could recall that that memory will be like affected by your current state of mind so you know sometimes you have to like wonder was that real or not i mean um you know like there's uh like it's like a like an old saying with uh all police a police saying like it's like whenever there's a

crime there's like there's always like three stories like the victim the perpetrator and the truth of course so it's like you know um or or if you You know the movie like Rushamon, if you've heard of Rushamon, where there's like the same thing happens, and you see four different people's perspective, and it's all totally different. So, that could be multiple things, though, right? Yeah, just like people's experience of an event is, it's not always accurate. Do you think that if you read a page of a book, you could recite the page? I could train to do that. Yeah, eventually.

Like you read one page and you could recite it back just without reading it. Yes, there are ways to do this. There are memory tricks that can be used to do that. But I wouldn't say that that's a good use of brain power. No. What's the biggest thing you think to teach the brain then? If I want to teach my brain something, what's the most valuable thing I could do? Okay, well, here's something that could be helpful to people who are, we watch this.

The important thing, in order to remember something, you must assign meaning to it. You have to say why. Sure. Just say like, why is relevant. And if you can say why something is relevant, you probably will remember it. Because your brain is basically constantly trying to forget everything as much as possible. Because it's hard to store memories. So it's just naturally...

Things you care about. Yeah, like the most of the stuff that we see in here is not worth remembering. So in order for your brain to remember something, you have to establish relevance of, say, why. It's got to be in your head multiple... Yeah, it's like either why or a strong emotional event, like a strong involuntary emotional event, or you could, I guess, try to generate an emotion. And then the third way, would be absurdity.

So if you want to remember an event, try to imagine that event associated with something completely absurd. For you to remember it? Yes. Okay. Wait. Like, let's say you want to picture this event

in this room. Just like imagine a dancing elephant dressed in a tutu that's just dancing around the room. And then visualize that, and you will remember this. Well, what if there's no importance? Wow.

But how do you know that? It's memory trick. It's an absurdity. So your brain remembers things that are different. Okay. And different can mean like there's a strong emotional association or it's absurd. Sure. It's unusual.

But if something is not unusual, if it's just part of the course, there's nothing, then why should your brain bother remember? I don't have to have some sort of importance, I mean, to you. I mean, like, but like elephants. Like, I don't give a shit. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I'm just saying, like, you don't care about the dancing elephant in the Tudu that's jumping around this room?

No, I remember. But I think what you, you know, I think what. It's a great way to do it. You got me there. Yeah, I think that's kind of like why we remember the first time we went to a movie. but I probably don't remember what I had for breakfasts on Sunday, you know, three days ago or two days ago. Yeah. It's just, anything that's like, that's like, your brain is just like trying to save neurons.

It's trying to save brain cells here. So it's just, it's, your brain is really trying to forget as much as possible. So you have to give a reason to not forget. And that reason has to be that it is different from a normal day or, a normal event. But that difference can be real or you can imagine it. So there was a trick that I did for quite a while when I was a kid. I just read a book on memory tricks, basically.

And using these memory tricks, you can memorize the position of all the cards in a deck. So you could say, have you seen this before? No, no, I was just wondering why he would flush a toilet. First got a flush. Yeah. Yeah, I haven't flushed at all. They don't want to ruin it. Royal flesh.

Don't even piss on the, you know, the water. It's not you on the side. Yeah. You're a loud ass piss and you're flush. I shut the door. Elon's pissed you flush. Where are we at? Memory stuff?

Yeah. The reason that I said that, though, is because, like, if I went through school for high school college, graduated from college, but everything that you do is a test of your memory. If you're going to go take a test, how well can you memorize this stuff? Well, not every, like, if you say like math stuff, well, there's partly memory, but also compute, yeah. But I suppose like history, geography or something like that would be mostly memory. Creative writing is not memory exactly, but. I want to school with Alexandra C. Boulder. Okay. Yeah. with who?

Her step-sister. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's my age, actually, yeah, yeah. Well, small-will. Yeah.

I spent a lot more time in the library. She was probably out partying, but... Okay. Yeah. She's my half-sister, but yeah. Yeah, half-sister, so... Yeah, she lives in Austin now. She what?

She lives in Austin. Oh, yeah, yeah, no, I know. She's married. Yeah, has a kid and everything. Oh, wow. You see her often, or... Not the area of family events and stuff. Nice.

It was very sweet the whole time. Elon, how would you describe yourself? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what you think of yourself. Technologist. Well, besides what you... I do technology.

Yeah, but besides what you've done with, you know, all you've done, I mean, as a person, as like Elon Musk, as a person, how would you describe yourself? I suppose I would just say I'm a technologist who is curious about the future. and generally I'm trying to take the actions that most likely lead to a better future for civilization. I think that's like frankly

the only like logical thing to do because like if you don't take the you know, there's no point in having like a good future without civilization. You know, if civilization crumbles nobody's going to have a good future. So I don't know. So I think we want to take the set of actions that maximize the probability the future is going to be good and interesting, and then we understand more about the nature of reality and the universe.

more than anything else i'm curious curious about what that's like said the nature of the universe or even what questions to ask why do you think you made this your goal though like when i guess when i was kind of growing up um i did have this like existential crisis where I was like, what's the meaning of life? Is this all pointless? Is there any point in existing at all? And I read the various religious texts,

and I read a bunch of the philosophers, and I just couldn't really seem to find any good answers. And then I read Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, which is really a book on philosophy, but it's disguised as a book on humor. And the point Douglas Adams was, making is that the purpose of life is to learn more to ultimately know what questions to to learn what questions to ask about the answer that is the universe here's here's sort of making

that like that's the actual point is to figure out the point and so At least that was my interpretation. And so therefore we should take the set of actions that are likely to expand consciousness and our understanding of the universe so that we can know what the meaning of life is or why we're here and how the universe came to be. And that was kind of what answered my existential crisis. I think that's a good. that's a good philosophy basically now it's a philosophy that may I think may

for a lot of people may be uncomfortable because it's like it's a really deep too I think it is a a rational and logical philosophy but it is one that that does not get that that's basically saying hey we don't know what the answer is but let's try to find out do you feel like you know part of the answer yeah I think you know we as humans collectively know part of the answer, but only a small part at this point. If we can make civilization last for, I don't know, like a million years or something, you know, that probably will know much more of the answer. And I'd date civilization from, like I said, the first writing.

It was like 5,000 years ago, just practically no time at all. so if we were to last a million more years then like we're barely at the beginning of civilization yeah that's nice to think about like if civilization if civilization does last million years we will be seen they'll think of us as like ancient ancient like we would be like cavement everything you know pretty much yeah how probably how probably do you think that is that's another million years.

I think it's probable. If we get to Mars and start expanding even to other planets? If we make Mars multi-planetary, like if we make Mars a self-sustaining civilization, I think the probable lifespan of humanity is very long. If we don't, if we never expand beyond Earth, then I don't think the life span of humanity will be long. What do you think it would be?

So you think Earth's coming to an end? Oh, that is a certainty. It's just a question of what. Oh, my goodness. How so? Like natural? Naturally or there's a lot of factors. I like believe everything this guy says.

There's a lot of factors. He's right. It seems like he knows what you're doing, you know. Well, I mean, the sun is gradually expanding. And the sun, so if nothing else happens, the sun will expand and boil the oceans and kill all life on Earth. That is a certainty. That's a certainty.

Well, how far are we out from that? Wait, because the sun's expanding? Like, it's growing? Yeah, it's expanding. Because it's very slowly. Now, like, admittedly don't hold your breath on this one. But, you know, things could get a bit dicey in 500 million years. Like, you know, so.

When are they predicting that that, like, that growth would become, like, an actual threat, though? Well, it's not going to be in our lifetimes or anything close to it. But I'm just saying that if you look, think very long term, then the extinction of Earth is a certainty. if you say long term, certainty. Because of that? If nothing else, that. But of course,

if nothing else happens to destroy your life on Earth, that will definitely happen. So, now, there's, like, if you look at the fossil record,

it's worth looking at like the great extinction events. Just read it, you just read the Wikipedia page or something, you know, or read encyclopedia Britannica, like the great extinction events.

In the fossil record, there are arguably five great extinction events. And this is where a great extinction event would be like, I don't know, 70, 80% of all species on Earth are destroyed. And there was one particular extinction, the Permian extinction, where it's like maybe 90, 95% of all species were destroyed, which frankly doesn't tell the whole story because most of what remained were like sponges and fungi and things.

It's like not, you know, unless you are you a mushroom or a cockroach or whatever, you know, or something. Basically, no large life was survived or almost no large life. So permanent extinction took out almost everything. What were those extinction events? Hey, so what did you want to talk about? Well, I want to tell you about Wagovi. Wagovi? Yeah, Wagovi.

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Ask your doctor for Wagofi by name. Visit Wagovi.ca for savings. Exclusions may apply. What was like the craziest one? Well, like the most amount of species death was the Permian extinction. I recommend just looking at reading the great, you know, from what have we found in the fossil record about great extinction? extinctions. And as like this generally considered to be roughly five great

extinctions. Now the that doesn't count the the many to the many cases where entire continents were destroyed. That happened a lot but that that wouldn't count as a major extinction. So that happened many many times. But like anytime that there's a really big volcano like Yellowstone for example I think is supposed to erupt every 100,000 years or so, and that would destroy pretty much old life in America. Wow. Yellowstone's beautiful, too. Yeah.

Now, we'll see that one coming, you know, most likely. But Yellowstone is a gigantic volcano. Never knew that. Yeah, I didn't know that. Yeah. Have you been there? I've never been to Yelahun. It was the last time a volcano erupted?

Well, they erupted. You know, there's like little eruptions quite frequently. Central America. It's like a huge one. Crackettoa. There was a big one, Guatemala, I think. How long ago was that? A year, maybe?

Crackatoa was a real, that was a whole bunch of people down there. I know this is kind of off topic. And Hawaii had one a couple years ago, too. Big island. You know, there's both volcanic, big, big volcanoes, eruptions, those will, there's plenty of those that will take out of continent. Earth's climate also changes pretty radically over the course of, like, say, 10,000 years. You know, it can shift from being extremely hot to extremely cold and turn into a snowball.

Got through tons of ice ages, right? Yeah. You can really go down a deep rabbit hole if you read about ice ages. Yeah. Really? Like what? Deep rabbit hole on ice ages. What's so intriguing about them?

The whole earth has just been through like, the whole earth is just freezing? Like I said, there's deep rabbit hole on ice ages. Deep rabbit hole. where should we go? There's so many I guess Wait there's some Wikipedia or syncyclopedia

It was like a little bit of a tidbit of it Yeah why do you love it? Why do you love it? I mean I think it's just interesting So interesting That's how much Earth's climate has changed And even where the where the

Magnetically where the poles are have shifted over time So Um You know anyway There's There's also been times where in the past where

our galaxy is like collided with another galaxy that probably threw things for a bit of a loop at the time was there like a conspiracy when it comes to ice ages or anything like that or is not really no when was the last ice age how long ago was that well we're technically in

sort of an ice age right now although it depends on what you call an ice age what happened in global warming wait but yeah how so what defines an ice age at that point. Global warming is not like cool anymore. It's a deep rabbit hole. What do you do when you're going down a deep rabbit hole though? Is it YouTube videos, books, or how do you educate your own? The internet and books and clicking around the internet, Googling Wikipedia, you know,

YouTube, whatever. So Twitter can be interesting. So I think there was probably something significant that happened at the in the last ice age because we don't see any evidence of writing I'm using ice age in the colloquial term of like when when was it very snowy and where the glaciers

came down far and where summer was short, winter was very long and that was about 10,000 years ago so something happened around I think around that ice age that because we see no writing no writing

before that ice age and we start to see writing pop up in multiple places on Earth after that after the most recent colloquially termed ice age so yeah but like said

there have been times when Earth has been extremely tropical and where it's been a snowball but these tend to occur over very long periods of time. The global warming thing we're talking about here is where we're just taking large amounts of carbon that was buried underground and we are putting it in the atmosphere and oceans. And this will naturally change the climate to some degree. I don't think it's like the end of the world

or anything, but it's going to cause strife. So that's why it's good to accelerate a sustainable energy future. For sure. I know this is kind of off topic. but I do want to ask completely off topic. How expensive is it to send one human to Mars? If you want to break it down by human. Right now it's infinity dollars. There's no price. Yeah, infinity, Bitcoin, and dollars and everything.

Meaning like no amount of money, you could not send someone to Mars for any amount of money right now. Now, with Starship, you know, hopefully when Starship is successful, StarShare will be capable of sending people to Mars. I think long term we could get the cost of a trip to Mars, maybe under $100,000. Wow. What? Wow. Yeah. It's like let me just say that it's not physically impossible to achieve that. Per person or yeah? 100,000. But that's not that crazy to go to a fucking different planning. You win? No, that's not bad. Yeah. How do you how do you say like what's the, if you have a fully reusable vehicle and you your propellant cost are low, then then it is possible to achieve a cost per person number below 100,000.

And how many people can you fit on the space shuttle? Well, space shuttle is not capable of going beyond Earth, but... Rocket. The current version of Star Ship, you could put 100 people on it. So, then, you know, it'd have to get the cost of the flight. How do you break that cost, though? How do you kill the cost? I feel like it's got to be way more expensive than that.

It's like first class on Emirates. Is really? No, it's like 40K, but 100K, like that's a... You haven't flown first class when I'm rites, have you? No, never, but I'm saying like 100K is like a private jet from New York to Europe, right? But we're talking about taking a rocket to Mars. So how are those costs even similar? You said like, but I'm saying in the limit of affordability,

is it possible to achieve a cost of a trip to Mars below 100,000 per person? I'm like, yes, it is not impossible. So it basically would, like I said, if a starship, if you could get, if you put 100 people on board and the cost per flight is less than $10 million, that's $100,000 per person. Sure. Is that unfair, though, because you got to assume rich people are going to be the guy, or not the guy. but the people that can afford that? Well, not necessarily. There'll be a labor shortage on Mars.

Oh, okay. You'll probably take a low in and pay it back real fast. But I'm just saying, like, somehow we're going to get there, and somehow we're going to get a lot of people there. So it's got to be funded by individuals, by individuals, governments, or debt. That's repaid. Somehow, it's got to pay for the rocket.

Yeah. I need a lot of rockets. So, but I'm confident that it is possible to create a self-sustaining city on Mars. Yeah. Similar to the earth? Eventually. In terms of restaurants, clubs, all that. Maybe you start with like the coolest hotel club and restaurant ever.

Then you entice people to go there. Nice golf courses too. Yeah. I get that involved. Yeah. I mean, the golf ball would go much further on my. Yeah, no. It's only like like 37, 38% of us gravity.

So you'd be able to like jump more than twice as high. Yeah, you probably bout, hit that ball like 500 yards. Yeah. It'll go far. Do you think like exclusivity would make people want to go to Mars even more? It's going to be exclusive no matter what. Bro, there's enough people that if it's only a hundred people, it's going to be a huge list. But what I mean by like...

But you have, in order for it to be self-sustaining, you've got to have like a million people. A million? I think so. I mean, to have a self-sustaining. Where you don't need to be a constant. Self-sustaining means like, holy shit. If the ships from Earth stop coming for any reason, does the city die out or not? That's a hard, that's a high bar.

You know, so you can't be missing anything. Oh, wow. I don't know, a million. That's crazy. So I think it's probably at least a million. Do you golf? No. No.

But people can live there. That's before. when you don't need resources from the earth, right? Yeah. Yeah, I'm saying in order to make it self-sustaining. But in order for, in order to ensure humanity's future for a long time, you've got to have a self-sustaining city. If it's dependent on Earth, then you're still like, okay, if something bad happens to Earth, then Mars is going to die, too. Sure.

So to make itself sustaining is where that's the real threshold that matters. How long when it's like, when it's all said and done, like, how long? would a trip take? Well, right now a trip would take six months, but I think you'd get the trip under three months. Six months? I thought it was years, yeah. I thought it was years.

No. Earth and Mars only a line every two years. So Earth and Mars are only like the same quadrant of the solar system every two years. So you have to go that time. Planets only line up every two years, but then it's like a six-month journey. So that's the only time you could go when they're in line?

Yeah, because sometimes Mars is on the, other side of the sun, you know, unless you're going to go through the sun, it's not going to happen. Yeah. So if, yeah, so there needs to be in the same quadrant taking into account how the planets move relative to one another. Wow. So, so you only have a short way to come back. Earth is zipping around the, you know, zips around the sun every year. Amaris is about every two years. You got to wait two years to come back. But it is crazy. You got to spend right now, you said six months on a rocket with a hundred other people, right? What does that look like?

That also look crazy, too. Yeah, cramped. You think people lose their minds? Yeah, what do they do for that whole six months? I mean, they did ocean voyages back in the day that were like six months, you know, on a little ship in the middle of ocean. They made, you know, middly a lot of people died. But, you know, they're like, they definitely were, there were sailing journeys that were

more than six months in all times. on really tiny ships six months on a rocket you'd have to yeah that'd be like a mental that's a mental thing you really got to overcome six months ago

while being in a rocket February March yeah you gotta bring some chicks up in there too I mean if I go out there you said 100 people so if we go with 99 chicks then you need you need at least

more than half yeah and then I'll be in there for six months sure that's why you get Starlink right wait do the rockets have Wi-Fi

yeah although Starly you you because the speed of light actually becomes an issue if you start

getting far away from Earth so in rough terms at closest approach Mars is four light minutes away from Earth

okay and furthest approach maybe it's like 20 minutes roughly so that means There could be times where, like, a round trip to communicate with Mars takes 40 minutes. Best case is going to be eight minutes-ish.

How do you make sure people are repopulating? You mean of Earth or Mars? Mars. I don't know. Hopefully they do have a lot of kids. Sex? Yeah. Yeah.

Hopefully they have a lot of kids on Mars. Yeah, what would the laws be like? I know, it's like a whole new place. Maybe he's banned condoms. What about the currency too? You should make 69 laws. Yeah, exactly. Oh, my, imagine Elon making the laws.

That would be awesome. He's working on it. If you're the first one there, you get that authority, right? I don't know. I mean, I just think it's important that we make life multi-planetary while it's still possible to do so because we just can't count on, we can't, count on humanity being able to make life multi-planetary forever.

Like I said, that window of opportunity, it could be open for a long time, could be open for a short time, but we should assume that it's open for a short time. So just to be, you know, to be safe, I think we should assume the window of opportunity is short. And, you know, at some point there's going to be a third world war, you know.

Yeah, of course. Yeah. You know, and after World War III, who knows what's left after World War III I think that's going to end us nuclear warfare it could so there's arguably this like

you know there's this race between do we become a multi-planet species or World War III which one is first and if World War III is first and maybe we never get to another planet shit yeah

Salim's not sleeping tonight a lot of the information man you're saying that yeah I'm probably not going to sleep yeah it's already interesting with a lot of things that you've been saying it's really really interesting it seems like it's scary but like it seems like World War III nuclear war could happen any time yeah you got to live in reality right under that assumption

do we have a secret rocket that's ready to go to send people to Mars just in case no no no I just got a yeah Just got to get a boxable in the middle of nowhere. I mean, SpaceX, we're trying to hustle with the rocket and get it working. But we've got to get it over it in the first place, and then we've got to make it reusable. So that's really important. If the rockets are expendable, then the cost is crazy.

So you've got to be reusable like an airplane. Like, you know, it comes back, you refuel it and go again type of thing. How much of the rocket can you reuse? Well, Sarship, the whole thing's designed to be reused. Really? Oh, shit. That's crazy. Star Ship will really be quite a big breakthrough. If it's the first fully reusable rocket, oval rocket, I mean, that's a profound breakthrough. The destiny of humanity will fundamentally change at the point of which Starship demonstrates full and rapid reusability.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but SpaceX is the first that made the reusable rocket, right? Like NASA, no one ever else. Fully reusable. Yeah, fully reusable. Well, I mean, the space shuttle was partially reusable. you know the orbiter the aircraft looking thing came came back but the the big external tank the you know big orange tank that which was also the plant primary airframe or the like the primary load bearing structure as to which the solid rocket booster is attached that that did not come back

which is very expensive yes they thought it wouldn't be expensive but it turned out to be very expensive so the shuttle also the parts of the shuttle that were reusable were very difficult to reuse So like the orbiter, the aircraft looking thing, that took a lot of effort to refurbish between flights. And the solar rocket booster shells, it's not clear that those ever made sense to reuse. So the thing that matters is full and rapid reusability. But like basically where you don't do anything between flights except refill the tanks. Now with Falcon 9, what SpaceX has done with Falcon 9 that's notable is that Falcon 9 is the first case where reusability actually made any sense, like where the reusability was, you know, economically sensible. So the Falcon 9 booster is, we've reflown those a lot at this point.

we've landed them a lot like over 100 times of and individual boosters have flown like 13 times at this point and the nose cone or the faring we've gotten the faring back now over 100 times so we've achieved reusability of everything except the upper stage with falconine and we've demonstrated economically viable reusability so that's the most significant thing that SpaceX has done Now, the Starlink global internet system will also be very significant, and that is intended to generate enough revenue to pay for the Mars ships. So assuming Starlink is successful, it should generate enough revenue to pay for enough ships to get humanity to Mars and the moon as well. Wow. Yeah, a lot of knowledge, man. It's crazy. Yeah, so that's the intent. we're a long way to go

so it's not like it's what like it's in the bag or anything it's either we get to Mars or if Putin gets out of hand we send Elon in to Walrusome yeah we got the Dana White Connect we can make it happen yeah the Walriss I think that's probably our best chance

to survive let's go that was awesome yeah I think we're good Elon we really appreciate this I mean so much it's amazing it's been a blast yeah we really appreciate it

Yeah, it's good hanging out. Elon's to go. I really appreciate it.