FULL SEND PODCAST - Jake Paul x Nelk Boys | Ep. 105

Episode Date: October 6, 2023

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all right boys another great episode of the full send podcast starting out solo here because we're in a little bit of uh not a sticky situation but um jake's running a bit late and then uh classic steamy man i don't even blame him really but we've pranked him so much that he thinks that he's getting pranked because uh little background i guess he has uh jake's boy better derrick who like you know he's like a shit talker he's pretty funny but he um he was the guy that like went at nate diaz in the press conference and shit and then like drake posted about like why he did that he uh he's called out steiny in the past and jake has been actually jakes texted me on like three different occasions and said like yo steiny and better derrick should like fight so i think steamy thinks that we're planning something which we're literally not but we honestly i did talk to jake saying we should prank steamy and we were trying to plan something but we never thought of it so but uh i guess steenie's he's late as fuck like he's like this is kind of like he's 39 minutes late yeah

yeah so i think he's like really did he tell you that he was like think we're pranking him he texted me saying be honest um they're not planning any shit with a better derrick kid right damn he really does not want the smoke from better derrick i guess well uh yeah i guess stony will be here soon jake's pulling up so i just wanted to give you a guys that little bit of context that there is there is some tension in the air today so it'll be an interesting pod so it makes you guys watch all the way through all right steenies in the house now oh is there a whole i did a little solo intro no did you i just explained that you thought you were getting prank i mean you never know bro i said i don't blame you sorry i didn't mean we pushed back

the time so i didn't think i was like no i told you i don't blame them because like we have pranked him in the past but this time there's nothing going on yeah punctuality is obviously important to me uh i got a new cut white me and jake did say like one thing we could have done was prank you but we just never got around a party on that with him yeah I know what the fuck we could have ran it back though no let me get one fucking break you know what I told them I'll just expose it I was like dude I feel like we could run back the exact same Sophia now now I'll never be able to do this to you but I was like I could later I feel like we could run back the exact same Sophia prank the exact same

thing with the Cavendors I was like I was like I think we could just do the same exact thing And Zanzani would fall for it. Fuck, bro. You should have ran that. No, I don't want to do that again. It's too much. Once is enough. Yeah.

That was like a level 10 one. That was the hardest prank I think of all time. It was pretty cool. On any of like the boys for sure. Yeah. I guess Jimmy Gables. No, yeah. Jimmy Gables with the pub stash.

That was just gross. That's more disgusting. Yeah, but that one was more. He should realize that. What's up, guys? How are you? Good to see you. Yeah, sorry.

I'm late. What's up? How are you? What's up? Oh, good to meet you. How are you? How are you? Am I sitting here?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, can you grab that from Brett real quick? You can get it for right now? It's good, you been good? Yeah, man, just fucking busy. You know, the... Say your shit.

Where are you doing about that? Oh, Celsius meeting. Grutman said to do the pod here, because we always do the pods at his spots, but I guess they're opening in like five minutes, so there might be like bottles, presentations and shit, so we might just have to, I don't know, it's gonna be one of those.

So it's just like a pod in the middle of a restaurant? Kind of, yeah. I like it. We could tell them to shut up, maybe if it's too loud, but... It could be a vibe, though. Yeah? Just have some chicks pop in. We should get a tomahawk.

We could. We should have them do the... We could. We could do the presentation in here. Do you want to order one, Gabe? Tell them we want a fucking thumb-off. No, but, bro, it's dope to have you back. I mean, we had you on what...

Was that, like, two years ago? I don't even remember, but... It's been a minute. It's been too long. I was one of the first guests. Yeah. And then I was, like, a year later. Yeah.

this is the third time i guess this is third no second second i think no we did an elk video too you're probably mixing that in i think this is the second time on the pod yeah you guys did you we did you we did you with phileem yeah and no strawberry moon or strawberry moon that was the first one the pink spot yeah maybe i'm getting confused yeah but no we'd we'd love to have you on fucking we want to just keep having you on too because it's i mean we fucked each other for a long time and like yeah it's dope to have you on no there's always so much to talk about i know so much synergy we're always like in similar like areas yeah groups and all conversations and all of that stuff but yeah we need to do it more but are you guys you guys

are all the way out in cali i think we're gonna move here bro i've been i've been trying to do it he's been saying that forever it never happens no we're look we're crib we're crib looking bro really i don't i don't get am i on that trip or not you don't i'm standing cali or what you in later stearney's getting left behind no you'll be here do that. I'd be a bad move by them. I don't know how anyone like, I don't know.

This is definitely the place to be. 100% for sure. Like, there's just so much more opportunity, so much more going on. Like you think Miami versus L.A.? Uh-huh. Yeah.

But also you guys are like Orange County, no? Yeah. So you guys are like... The thing is we travel so much. Like right now we're on the road for like two months. So it's like when we get home, it's kind of like chill, which is nice.

But you could also go like, like north here yeah exactly kind of like get away where's your spa are you in south beach um i stay close to the better warehouse which is like over in design district area that's the best area yeah so it's a vibe it's a vibe what's the biggest difference for you between la and miami besides that t-shirt i don't know i think like COVID like changed LA when i flew back there i hadn't been there for like a year and then i flew back there and the energy was just completely different it like doesn't have a soul or like this like fun anymore yeah maybe i'm like just biased or whatever but i i feel like a lot of the big people from la like everyone kind

of moved everyone to miami and there's just it just it's like dangerous there it's like so much holy fuck boys the power's going out this happens it's gonna be weird shit this happens on my pod like all this fucking time power went out like four times last episode of but yeah like I don't know and it just seems like this younger crazy party crowd

um this seems to be where everyone's going you were there when it was probably like prime LA like social media time like we we had Jesse on recently too and we talked about like when we came to the cloud house was when it was like

team 10 cloud house prime you guys were living there that was like the best era yeah and if you think about it like it can only go down from there so so like that that was fun those were like the best times and and there was everything was there everything was happening there all the content all the parties everything so it was like the best time to be there to maximize like opportunity and just like being young kids but now it just feels like this like not as sophisticated of a world and uh everyone seems to be Miami Miami Miami F1 you know art Basel all these

big thing rolling loud like you name it swim week uh what what's the other thing ultra yeah like ultra yeah just there's something going on every every weekend so there's just so much does that time like that that air in your life does that just feel like a blur now like looking back on it it does i i describe it as my college years it was like living in a frat house and just getting like the crazy fun troublemaker years like out of my system but i reminisce on it like damn like that was that was so much fun but it was definitely like a period of my life that i like had to grow out of and it's just like wasn't sustainable that crazy crazy lifestyle you seem like you matured a lot well from moving from la to miami it's a whole new guy yeah no for sure

I think, well, mainly because, like, behind the scenes, I got to, like, take time for myself in these boxing camps. Whereas, like, before everything was just for the outside world. And so when I found boxing, it gave me that, like, routine, that discipline, being sober and, like, realizing who I was and who I wanted to be. And challenging myself in a different area and kind of going back to my roots as well of, like, being an athlete. I kind of lost myself in the whole entertainment world. You can get sucked up into it and just are surrounded by the wrong people. And so boxing gave me the ability to reflect on myself and to build a future. And that helped me mature.

And I found through boxing, I found breathwork because for these fights and every day for training, I had to like meditate and be really focused. not get nervous leading into the fight weeks so i was doing a ton of meditation and so i found spirituality and breath work and that led me down this like whole other path and and and whole other journey of my life and those things like i i recommend meditation and breath work to anybody but that really helped me and um it helped me overcome like a lot of personal shit and like trauma and you i've i've seen you recently recently like talk about some of the perils of this lifestyle and becoming numb to a lot of shit and just being this like constant workflow and life just flies by you so yeah what do you think is the biggest thing you learned about yourself you didn't know since you moved out here sort of boxing like anything you discovered where you were like fuck i was hiding this or fighting this the whole time yeah i think a lot of people in our uh industry uh have so many like

voids that they're filling in terms of like loving themselves and it's like this weird concept because you like instinctually are like wanting to become famous for validation for others so you get addicted to that validation from others once you get like a taste of it and then you kind of just like want to continue growing that but really what I've seen in this industry is people are like so fucking insecure and they don't love themselves and that's something that i realized that i had to face and like we don't learn emotional intelligence in school it's not really like talked about in our culture like sometimes now people are going deeper into it on tictock um but it wasn't until i like started learning about my emotions why do i feel a certain way why am i acting like this

Why am I saying these things to certain people? My meditation, my breathwork, kind of unveiled this layer of these insecurities that I had. And I realized, like, I was working so hard to receive this outside validation to make myself feel better. But it's because I actually, like, wasn't whole on the inside. And you, when you start to realize, like, a lot of people in this world have that same. problem and it's this whole world of people who like doesn't love themselves and are insecure that are like chasing this external validation you think that's because like what what you were doing like an entertainment and stuff like that because you're kind of like you're still in the spotlight

and stuff too right what do you mean like I think they're different so because you yeah from a YouTuber to an athlete yeah so it's a different lifestyle and your perception people have a different perception I'm just trying to understand yeah I get well like when you're when you're starting out is what I'm saying and like building your career I don't think a lot of people understand like why they're instinctively doing this like why do why do so many people want clout why do they want followers it's that external validation of people praising you and so it's this thing inside of you like I'm not good enough I need followers I need likes I need to be socially like relevant and so it's kind of this like subconscious thing that's

driving a lot of our generation and our like social hierarchies and influencers like if you if you start to unveil the layers of like think about some influencers that you know like think about how like fucked up they are in the head or like when you know them as a person you're like oh shit like they're dealing with this they're not actually happy they have all of these things and it's kind of like this broken world because they're working so hard to get this external validation which is why like a lot of them become so big yeah it's realizing it like once you realize it and are able to like search inwards you know have that love for yourself and start to start to grow it doesn't happen overnight uh then you you become like liberated from that and then your

reasons for doing what you do change um and that's a very powerful thing and that's where i think people see a shift in me personally is because like before I was numbers numbers like do shit for views more views more views more views and it's like no like that's not who I am like search inward and really changing to um doing everything out of love yeah and as much as possible right it's still a cutthroat fucking business so like that as well but I think you've also probably just I think you've completely changed your demographic, obviously, too, right? Yeah. Like, I can't say I was a fan of you before.

Like, I respected you and stuff, like, as a creator and stuff. But, like, now I would actually probably say, like, yo, actually, I'm a fan of Jake Paul. Thank you, man. Which is crazy. So, like, you've completely... Yeah, and you've always supported us. But I'm just saying, like, I think you totally changed your demo. Like, you, like, swapped what you're doing, and now you just have a completely...

I'm sure you have the old demo still, too, that, like, has always fucked with you. but isn't that cool too like yeah yeah it's weird it's um it's super interesting to see how it's all changed but um people have that respect for athletes you know and and especially fighting like everyone loves fighting it's in our DNA you know you see someone fighting on the side of the road you're everyone's going to turn and look so the demographic has changed and i've changed right like so it's that's what's weird about growing up in this space is like being on camera every day since i was 15 to now being 26 it's like of course in that 11 year span i'm going to go through so many different iterations of who i want to become and who i want to be and what

i what i like how i act all of these things and um that evolution has changed the fan base and People have gotten to see me for this, like, young adult that I am now. And they respect knocking people out and shit like that. So, and the business side of it all. How much does it bother you when people still try to come out of you, though? Because they're always going to, right? So, like, even when you fight and ideas and you win, people are still going to want to try and take things away from you. Like, yo, Nate's a UFC fighter.

He's fucking 40, whatever, you know what I mean? Yeah. So how do you handle that when they're just, you think you have a huge accomplishment, and then there's people still trying to bring you down? Yeah. What the fuck? Every day I'm hustling Every day I'm hustling

Every day I'm hustling Do we get the Do we get the steak or not? Yeah That's what they do? do they do yeah do we even get the stake or not yeah i think they're gonna bring it back that's what they do i mean we've got you can't probably use any of that because of copyright yeah oh we don't probably we'll probably use it oh fuck yeah i feel like we're in the i always feel so

awkward we're in like the deepest combo too yeah what's what we're we talking about dan is like uh yeah like how do you deal with the hate in the criticism uh Nate Diaz yeah yeah i mean you those people that are going to be your critics they can definitely get or become a smaller group over time as you continue to prove yourself but yeah like you're never going to be able to make these people happy you know they're always going to come up with something I've said like I could walk on water

and people would say it's because I couldn't swim and it's a very powerful thing to live by because naturally that hate is going to come out of people if they feel like they can't do something themselves versus like anyone who's at my level, they're never haters because they're successful themselves. My peers, the biggest boxers, all support me.

Behind the scenes, they're all super happy for me. It's the... Jack Harlow said it best. It's the ones who look just like me that hate the most, and they're sitting on the couch wishing that they probably would have done this shit with their lives. And I get some criticisms,

but at the end of the day, No one in the sport of boxing has done what I've done, put on this big of paper views, this early in their career, took in these big challenges. I didn't know if I was going to beat Tyron Woodley. I didn't know if I was going to beat Anderson Silva, you know, going up against Tommy Fury. He's been doing it since he was six years old, taking him to a split decision. So I'm definitely not going to be able to make everybody happy, but they have to respect that most other boxers pad their record. They fight taxi drivers to build up their record. And then in their 25th fight, they've been doing it for 15 years.

Then they take a tough challenge. I've risked it all since the beginning. I didn't know if I was going to beat Give. I didn't know if I was going to beat Nate Robinson. Ben Ascreen was the favorite going into the fight. What the fuck? Yeah, which is crazy. What were the odds for that?

I don't know, but it's like these are the things that people forget. Everyone thought Nate Robinson was going to mop. How the fuck is Asking the favorite? Are you sure? Nate Robinson was the favorite. I think you were the favorite in Ascreen. It was a tight spread. It's almost even money.

I think it was wavering, though. I remember at some point my coach bet on me when I was the underdog. So it was wavering. But like Nate Robinson, he was the favorite the whole time. So like people forget these things, right? Like you take one step forward and then it's like, oh yeah, well, he didn't do this. Yeah, he didn't do this. and I understand it because I talk a big game.

So, like, please bring it on. Like, it makes sense. I'm not mad at anybody. I understand that I have to prove myself. And I talk three years ahead and have this big mouth. And so that's what they're holding me to, that standard, but that's good. Because in their mind, subconsciously, I'm marketing to them. Like, yeah, you are holding me to that standard.

That's how you think of me in your mind at the same level as these people. so it's a marketing ploy it's a manifestation ploy it's it's playing the chess game that they don't even realize that that they're a part of and realistically i'm setting these goals i like to back myself into a corner because then i have to work harder when i wake up every single day if i say i'm going to do this then i have to live up to that so i like to say these things and put these goals out there and say i'm going to become a world champion because that's genuinely what I know I can do, that's what I want to do, but also... And you've got to do it or you look like an idiot.

Exactly. And so... That's how you put pressure on yourself. Exactly. I'm putting the pressure on myself to make myself better. And a lot of people think it's funny, like, oh, you're going to fight Canelo. Like, you're saying you're going to beat Canelo. Like, you're out of your mind.

You lost a Tommy Fury in a split decision. How are you going to beat Canello? It's like, first of all, that's the person who doesn't accomplish anything or doesn't understand failure, doesn't understand getting better every single day. So, like, yeah, I could lose a Tommy Fury and a split decision, but I'm going to show you what's going to happen in the rematch because he beat me when I was at my absolute worst. So in the rematch, when I knock him out, what are you going to say then? But not only that, I've been doing this for three and a half years and have beaten people that other boxing. wouldn't be able to beat. So you give me three more years.

All of a sudden, me versus Canelo is a very good fight. I'm the bigger man. I have the longer reach. Look who he lost to. Dimitri Bevel, a bigger man, six foot. Has, like, somewhat of a cronk style with his footwork, which is the style of fighting that I train. All these things added up.

I think it's more, though, just like, like you're talking about rematching Tommy Fury so why are you calling out Canelo now like that's why people like Well it causes hype and shit too But that's why right So then people I think of part like You posted it but Canello said last week on the pod

Yeah he said on this spot He pretty much said he'd be down to do it Exactly and and when I said it Two years ago People were like Oh this kid's a fucking joke What he's an idiot Da da da da da and then

Also when I One of my first videos In the boxing world was calling out Connor McGregor and people are like, oh, you're an idiot. But guess what? Now, Connor McGregor needs me just as much as I would need him to make a big fight. It's a 50-50 deal.

So it's like, at first I seem crazy, but yes, I am crazy. People say like, yo, this kid's out of his mind. This kid's crazy. Yeah, maybe that's what you're missing, people, is you don't push yourself. You don't have big ideas. If your goals don't scare you, then what the fuck are you doing? yeah like i am crazy and look where i've gotten because of that because of large thinking and it's cheesy as fuck but like shoot for the moon even if you miss you land amongst the stars

the problem is the kid at home is like oh i can't become this i can't be a youtubeer i can't be famous i can't be on disney channel i can't create a billion dollar company in the sports gaming industry like i can't do any of these things and if you believe that that's where you're fucking wrong and and Elon Musk's like new book is great but like he says the people that are crazy enough to believe that they can change the world are the ones who actually do it and I feel bad for the people who sit there and are like looking at me being like ha ha you're an idiot like what do you think you're doing calling out canela he's going to fucking kill you because they are putting their own beliefs onto me and they are so indoctrinated to not

think that they can actually accomplish anything in their own lives. You know, it's funny you say that. It's pretty funny pissing people off too. It is. Whenever you call it Canelo, it's just like, just reading all the comments and shit.

But I want to know, I want to know why do you think that that's taught to so many people that you have to preach, you know, you can do whatever you want, but everyone thinks they can't. Because you yourself kind of came from that, right? Well,

yeah, I mean, it's, it's, it's our culture, our society. Since you can remember, it's your teacher telling you that you're stupid or that you're stupid or

that you didn't do good enough because you got a bad grade and everything is these tests and if you don't fit into this mold of being good at a test and paying attention then you think of yourself as stupid or bad and then you go home and your parents are reciprocating that message so this person who you love the most who you look up to the dad the mom is looking at you you feel the energy from them even if they don't say it you feel like you're failing them and so you get put into this box of like not being able to not being able to have the thoughts to believe in yourself or to think you're good enough since the earliest ages and your brain captures all of that information and stores it and it becomes your subconscious and then

you know you go and you ask the first girl on the date she says no you ask the girl homecoming she says no and like our society has so many built-in things for failure and it's the ones who just don't give a fuck when they fail that end up winning in the long run but just everything man like even if you get in trouble once in school like you get suspended your whole school is like hot like looking at you like a crazy person like there becomes these like clicks if you're not a good athlete where do you fit in if you're not getting good grades and you're not a good athlete where do you fit in and so everything

is kind of like suppressed for you to fail for you to fail, fail, fail and it becomes habitual for these people. Yeah, I gotta be honest, I wasn't expecting a quote from Elon Musk's book for me today. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know,

but... Super inspirational though, yeah. No, and look at, I mean, that's coming from the horse's mouth of the man who probably has done the most for this generation in terms of advancements and like changing the world for the better

to become a multi-planetary species but um it's so true and it's sad when I like see these things I actually just feel bad for the people like commenting them and it's crazy because like those people will still watch this very podcast and they don't even realize that they are that person because there's like also such a big self-awareness problem in today's world but it goes back to the emotional intelligence because if you don't know you're who you are inside it if you don't know like why you're feeling these certain things if you don't

know yourself which a lot of people don't there's that self-awareness problem so then you can't even wake up to the fact that you are sort of one of these like npc robots who's in this cycle of hating yourself, not thinking you can accomplish everything, and being addicted to social media, and putting your hate onto the rest of the world. I think you also got to just find that spark.

That gets you pissed off. No, but that's what's interesting is like, if there's a failure... When it comes, you got to take it and get it. If there's a failure, right? Like, you chose to go the opposite way. You were like, I'm going to be better, but a lot of people don't...

don't do that but i don't know i yeah maybe that like spark is inside of people but i don't know i don't know if you like always need a spark people ask like how do you stay so motivated and it's like i don't i'm not motivated at all i think it's i think it's like born with it though like to be honest no but it's it's it's commitment got it like but i think you got it or you don't that's my opinion like to get to where you are or like you got to like have it inside you Yeah, there is like a part of it where like my dad You're explaining it like have you tried to try to like talk to someone they're like you know like how do it and you're just like dude just do it It's so easy though it's so easy but it's it's so easy

Oh my god oh we knew that we knew this yo I'm gonna pay attention to this all right guys so at this point some crazy shit's about to go down You guys got to add us on Snapchat because if you have us on snapchat you guys already saw this fucking two three days ago when it actually happens Add us on Nelk Boys, because we are posting on Snapchat every single day. All the crazy shit that's happening. We're posting it in real time. It's literally like a daily vlog. We have over 2 million followers on there.

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If you guys want to see all the crazy shit that's happening in the fucking Nelk world in real time, Snapchat is the best way to do it. I fucking love it. Just want to tell you guys that quick. Let's get back into the podcast. How figured was this? How the man was this? Jake, you're supposed to be fucking holding me back, bro.

Oh, no, no, no one's holding you back. No one's, let's get, Derek, how are you? No one's holding you back. This is my first time I'm jumping. I thought we were having any fans in here. Chris, no fans, bro. Chris, get the fan out of here, bro. Why are you ducking me?

Jake, what's the checkbook like, bro? Yeah, we can do it out of this. Well, yeah, we, uh, we want to present a deal today. Really? Yeah. We have a deal on the table. Derek, why don't you get away from him so he doesn't feel... I feel fine, right?

Yeah, he feels fine. You have a Sharpie. I'll sign his shirt or some shit. I don't know. That's crazy. I don't know. That's crazy. I want to do you fucking laughing.

I want to do something. How about this? How about this? How about this? How about he fights one person? And then I'll do it. Why? Because this is, I'll tell you why.

I think he should take on Jimmy Gamble's first. But why do you want him to fight one person? Because I'll tell you why. Because I do, and this is no offense. Because I think he's pretty funny. But his job is kind of. to call people out on TikTok, right? I got to do.

Well, that's what you do. You just talk to fucking, only girl, only fans, girls. Right. And you just weirdly hit on them. And you're saying, I have to just call people out. That's what you do. That's all he does, bro. I have to do three YouTube channels.

I got to work hard. Professional sports gambler. He has his own channel and podcasts and all that. Oh, he does? Oh, my fault. Stani would have to drop a lot of shit. He's pulling views. He's pulling views, though.

No, I know he does. I see. He's pulling views. Well, also, also, a lot of people don't know that he, like, also has like a he also edits for the company so like he's working yes my job and and now my my next job is to knock you out bro just sign the fucking all right let's finish the pod and then we'll talk about it after no no we have the contract talk about it right now because it'd be a massive massive fight

like i'm one of the biggest boxing promoters in the world and then you got this guy and the whole knelk system behind you this is going to be a massive event and and i hear John Jones is interested This whole fucking podcast was for? No, no, no, no, no. I told you no, dude. Oh, my God. Did I know about this?

No, he actually didn't know. But also we like came up with this idea like two days ago. So I was like, I'm going to do the pod. And then he was here and we were like, you should come in. But I heard your number behind the scenes of like what you'd want to do it for. Yeah. Which is 500K. Yeah.

And we got that shit, bro. $250K? I never said he would do it for $5. I said if you got it to that, I think it would be something to talk about. Well, that's a no-brainer, though. That's big money, though. Like, most fighters aren't getting paid that. But I want to just do it, like, tomorrow.

I don't want to have to do this whole build-up bullshit. Because I have three other things I'm doing. But what did you want to, like, maximize the opportunity and, like, make it a big thing? Because I'll tell you why. How many fights? You're a fighter, right? I'm not a fighter, bro. Like, that's not my career.

You're a boxer for your career. I got fucking three other things I'm doing. I'm going to Dubai. I'm going to Miami. Like, I actually have a job, too. We're already in Miami, though. I have a job. I'm going to do buying them back here.

But I do, like, a bunch of shit, too, and it's, like, easy if you actually are dedicated to it. You'd have to stop drinking, doing drugs. Yeah. And I can't do that. You don't want to do that for 500? You wouldn't talk to your dealer for, like, three months. Wait, but you have to understand true. There's other, like, business aspects built into this for you.

Like, it grows all of these brands that you guys are building. All right. So, let's talk about it after this then. But you said 500. Yeah, but let's talk about it after this, because I didn't want to do all this. Why don't we just talk about it now? I don't want to do this, bro. I'm going to keep it real with you.

You don't want to fight? No, I don't want to talk to him right now while I'm trying to do it. Nah, bro. We go do it right after this. I'll tell you what. We'll go do it right after this. Works for me. Right outside poppy steak if you want.

I don't give a fuck. Like, if that's how bad you want to do it, that's fine. Stine is about it. I'm just tired of this shit, bro. So you're saying you would just wrap. I can't do this fucking podcast knowing, knowing some shit was going to happen. It's like, yo, let's just do it, bro. so you want to do a sparring session

no let's just do it outside after this go get have your boy go get the gloves Derek go get the gloves go get your full send hat and fucking we'll just do it right outside poppy steak I'm down with it or we could do it or we could go to the gym like I don't care but I don't want to fucking have to do all this shit

have all this pressure on me right now like fuck that I let's fucking do it I mean this is between you guys like and like what do I what do I get out of this bro if you want to do it now let's do it now I'll get the gloves well yeah let's finish the pod but yeah we'll do it after but you can't duck

I'm ready bro go get the gloves all right go get the gloves fucking bullshit hey you guys have fun with the rest of the podcast I'm sure it's fine Marty three drinks deep too

well that'll hurt it'll hurt less if you get hit at least you might be like a little bit I did not know about this well I think Steinie's concerned and is a valid concern

is like we're talking about clout So let's say on the clout levels, I think it's a bigger, without you involved, like, just Derek versus Steine, it's like a bigger, it's a bigger come up for Derek. Yeah, but that's why he would receive the bigger portion of the pie. For each fighter, there's very rarely is, there are two fighters who have the same level of clout, but he also has meat on his side. So, like, it definitely, like, equals out. Like I said, like, he'd have to quit drinking, like, no drugs. Like, he's good friends with his dealer, so he wouldn't be able to talk about.

talked to a dealer for like three months. There's a lot of other factors that like... Yeah, but you had a number that you said, and that's why I heard it through the grapevine, and I was like, okay, we can get you to that number. Okay, well, we can figure that out. I just, I don't like surprises like that. You know what I mean?

Because someone comes in here and does the same thing to you, you'd be like, what the fuck? I wouldn't really give a fuck. I mean, now I have no, I have all the pressure. I have to do it, right? For what? You don't have to. Now I have to.

I don't think you have. You came in here with fucking three cameras. and three people, bro. I don't think you got to do it. I think it is a big business decision to, like, do a fight, too if you're not, like, wanting to do it full-time. I find it- I just think, like, you think, like, you're bigger than you are.

What do you mean? Like, you think you're, like, a big, like, celebrity. Not at all, bro. But, like, kind of. And that's, I mean, you just, not in, like, a hating way. You just preached all this shit about how, like, you know, you could be whoever you want to be all this shit, now you're kind of switching up.

But go ahead. What do you mean? I mean, now you're trying to say, how do I think I'm bigger than I am, bro? By like saying, like, you have all these, like, things going on. You call out Canelo, like, you play a character. You do that for the hype. So if I do the same things, then what does that mean? What do you mean you're calling out who for that?

No, but if, like, I troll people or I fucking act a certain type of way, because that's what Nelke wants me to do. He's saying if he acts cocky for, like. Yeah. We all have our bits, right? Genuinely, I'm a good person. If you watch this podcast, you know that. No, I'm not saying that you're not. I know, but.

I'm just saying you're, you're just like, saying that he's, like, not on the same level as you. What does he do? He does TikToks for you guys? I've done this podcast for a year. I don't think no one would argue Steinie's more popping than better Derek. No, I agree 100%. But I'm saying like you're like Derek is funny as fuck.

I think he's funny too. But I'm saying to you like you had a number of 500K and I was like, yo, like I'll pay you this. And now you're like, oh, I have all these things going on. I said I do it right now, bro. How about we just do it right now? No, that's what I was like, okay, cool. Let's do it. Is that better than you save your money too?

No, no, no. I don't give a fuck. I just thought you actually. wanted to do it for 500k so so maybe there was a misconception of like bro like just quit ask me about it because honestly i didn't think that you guys would ever come up with 500 which is crazy when i get that's what i'm saying so now i bring it up and then you're like oh i have all these other things to do i mean you just had your boy walk in here with three cameras bro you know what i'm saying what am i supposed to do then when i asked him like yo is this happening and he says no

oh i didn't tell him right but i'm just i'm just letting you know how i feel how do you feel how do you Like, what do you mean? Like, I mean, it's just different when you have somebody come in here, like that unplanned, and then this all happens. Like, and now I have no choice, right? No, you have a choice for sure. You don't have to fight. Like Kyle's saying, like, fighting's like a big, it's a big thing that you have to commit to. And no one's saying that, but, like, I think it's like funny as fucking, it's a perfect matchup.

And everyone's doing this influencer boxing shit. And that's what I'm saying. For you as your brand. I find it kind of corny, though, when, like, people don't take it as seriously as you. Because, like, for me, I've been watching UFC since, like, grade 8, or, like, since I was a kid, you know? So it's, like, I feel like it's, like, the influencer shit's corny until you're actually taking it seriously like you do. It's definitely, you know what I'm saying? It's definitely, like, corny, but there's some, like, the reason why I wouldn't get behind this if I didn't think it was, like, going to be funny and entertaining.

Oh, it would be big for sure. I think some of them who, like, say that they're. like so good and all this shit and then they go in there and they look like idiots but like I don't think people are expecting much from like Derek and Stiney in a match and it's more about the entertainment side of it and I was like okay

like Steinie's gonna like this it would build your brand like really yeah but I'm doing it in other ways too right why don't we just let Salaim fuck him up or some shit Selim versus Derek is hilarious that's bigger but Salim would fuck him up bro

I don't know That's fucking shit's crazy, bro To me, I saw it from like Everybody wins It's like this fun event All the big brand Like all the brands get promoted It gives you guys like

Content to talk about Storylines, training Like it's funny And it's no question And it separates you from just being like Underneath him That's what I think A lot of people's criticism towards you are

You is that like You're just famous because of him and Steve. So it's like your thing, it's like your time to shine. That's what I meant by saying. Yeah, fighting better. Derek's my fucking time to shine, bro.

Yeah. It would be the biggest thing you've done. No, it'd be the biggest thing you've done for sure. Not at all. For you personally and your own brand to grow above and beyond just being like this assistant

kid that like... Bro, I'm chilling. I'm working on myself. I'm doing great. You know what I'm saying? That's not what I'm saying. I think you're taking it as an insult. What I'm saying?

It's like, I never said you weren't. Better Derek's like the biggest thing that's ever going to happen to me. For sure, it would be the biggest financial thing that you've done, no? Is making $500K in one day the biggest payday you'd ever have? So that's what I'm saying. But I told you, like not everybody wants to do that shit, bro. I don't want to build this fake beef. I don't want to do this YouTube fighting shit, bro.

Like I just told you, I have three other things I'm doing. So that's where the misconception is, is like hearing behind closed doors. It definitely is a big commitment. That you would do it. That's what I heard from people saying you would do it. 15 of your people ask me every fucking day and I'm tired of it. Like, I got to say something, bro. That's, that's me being really.

It's every day I have to have someone. Why can't we sell someone else in from the Knox Squad? No, yeah, I think Salim is hilarious. Salim is... Salim is... I mean, Salim would be crazy. Salim would be fire. How do you know Salim would do it?

He's obsessed with MMA. He would do it. Five hindoes. Well, you guys actually have the deal here? Yeah, there's a contract over there. I don't know where... Well, why don't you leave it with us? We'll lose it a little bit.

Yeah. Peruse Didn't mean to Ruffle any I thought you were a little bit Like disrespectful but yeah No I think

I think it was a joke How though I don't get I don't get that I don't know I just think you try to take away A lot for me But it's all good

But it's all good I don't think I was doing that It's all in good It's all good I'm not that pissed I'm just like Didn't want that to happen Like don't have to

Now I have to do this shit This fucking I think Stein is Stine's sick of people Just coming out of Who's come at you though I think a lot of people pick on them Like just like people will go at them

Because of I guess But I wasn't I wasn't I wasn't trying I wasn't picking No no no like not you like even better Derek Like no I don't care about better Derek I'm just saying like I just dude I just like I'd rather just focus on other shit Like

I don't need I don't need to fight better Derek Is what I'm trying to tell you That does nothing for me Except for a couple TikToks you feel me and your biggest payday and like separating a good payday and then not doing

not doing not doing I'm just saying if I was your manager if I was your manager I would I would see it differently for sure that's fine but like you said bro like you've decided to focus on boxing right I've decided to focus on

full send now my own podcast that's what I'm focused on would it be on one of your cards I don't I don't think it'd be on one of my cards it should be its own event so that you guys could like maximize the revenue from it for sure I just didn't think you would get

pissed off like we'll go back to the drawing board we'll see we'll talk maybe Saleem steps in and avenges you who uh let's segue let's segue so we get a pod um who who are you think in a fight next

yeah I'm looking at um I'm looking at some pro boxers because I want to take this more traditional boxing route of moving up into the rankings, fighting professionals, and taking the route to become world champion, like a prospect of my caliber would be doing. So we're looking at some pro boxers.

And they're not going to be big names by any means. Is there risk with that, though? Like, why do that? Because I want to be a world champion, though. Okay, okay, that makes sense. And, like, there's risk of, yeah, for sure. But for me, I want to challenge myself, continue to grow in this sport, and get to the top of it from, like, a skill level. 100%.

That's my goal. And to leave a legacy to show kids, like, yo, I've been doing this three and a half years. I plan to do it six, seven, maybe eight years. And by that time that I can and will become world champion, and I believe if I can, I can. can do that in six years it could inspire so many people to go pursue whatever dream that it is that they have starting from absolutely nothing as like a disney kid in a completely different vertical to achieving the highest accomplishment in a certain category and i i just want to do that not only to challenge myself but i think it would become one of the biggest

inspirations that people could point towards of like you can actually do anything you set your mind to and there's steps to get there and you have to continue to get experience right that's the biggest thing i i need so challenging myself against these pro boxers let's talk about this uh october 14th card because you got to be watching that closely because i know you say you want to fight a pro boxer but you got to be watching that one because i feel like you have maybe three even potential opponents on that card that would be massive fights yeah i mean look like Tommy KSI like whatever happens there both of those fights I want like me and KSI have like would you want the winner of that fight I want both of them regardless of what

happens so yes like win lose or draw I want the Tommy Fury rematch and I want to fight KSI like do you think Tommy would rematch you before you beat someone else or would he just give you that rematch I guess you weren't talks but yeah yeah no we've DM'd back and forth like let's do the rematch in 2024 so he's down and then how about ks i is he just like what actually is going on with that well so that would be fucking huge he denied fighting me because i wouldn't agree to getting down to 180 pounds and he was like 180 pounds with a rehydration clause first of all i don't think i can even get to 180 what do you usually fight at what did you fight at 85 and that's already like maximum where i can get to and so

with the rehydration clause where I basically couldn't drink water and so he was hiding behind that and not wanting to do the fight and not agree into it you can't do the rehydration thing ever exactly so so we said okay like this isn't going to work and now you see him agreeing to fight Tommy at 183 pounds so you could just see that like he was hiding behind that and really maybe didn't actually want to fight me or put it all on the line. So, yeah, and they just do a bunch of other, like, stuff. Because I've said, you could be the A-side.

I'll fight you wherever. I'll fight you whenever. So where is the negotiation? Like, it's 50-50. And then I said, okay, winner takes all. And publicly, they were like, yeah, winner takes all. Then behind the scenes, when we tried to actually put it into the contract, they were like, oh, no, like.

It's just the purse. Winner takes just the purse, but all the pay-per-view money is, like, still split 50-50. So then we were like, okay, like, what's going on here? So it's a lot of, like, public fluff that they do, and they're very, like, snake oil salesman. And then behind the scenes, they don't, like, want to actually step up to the plate. So why do you think, why would he just fight Tommy then? Like, now he's... Well, I think it's a win-win for him.

Because he gets the money, and even if he loses, then it's like, okay, whatever, me and Jake both lost to Tommy, then we can still fight. But if he were to just fight me and I'd win, then it's like he's just like done and his legacy's ruined. Because even if he loses to Tommy, he still doesn't have to technically fight me. So he put himself, and then, you know, let's just say there's this chance that he clips Tommy with his wild style. and catches him. It's boxing. Anything can happen. So there is a chance for him to come out and clip Tommy and, you know.

What's your prediction for that fight? I think Tommy TKOs him in the fourth round. That'd be fucking crazy. Yeah. Yeah. But we'll see. We'll see. All right, guys.

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Like, I come onto the live stream with Aiden. They, like, kick me off. Like, they want nothing to do with me. He said shit about my family and, like, my dad and all this stuff and, like, continues to try to undermine anything that I do in the sport, all these things. I don't have hate towards the guy. I don't really care at the end of the day. But there is this, it excites me. The fight excites me.

And to finish the storyline, everyone else, the whole influencer community, the creators, all of these people want to see it. This is where it all started was Logan losing and then Logan telling me, you have to go avenge me, me beating Dejy. We both beat each other's brothers. and it's kind of this grand finale of this whole influencer boxing world. And I think everyone wants to see it. So because of all of those things, the fight excites me.

And definitely just going to cook the beef finally. Obviously, yeah. Any fight that's going to be just big trash talking for me, like any fight that I'm pumped to see the press conference. Yeah. Like I love watching like all the build. up like all the fucking like behind the scene shit all the trash talk so i feel like yeah you and ks i've been going at it for so long it would be and it's like personal yeah on twitter and shit like

no and it's crazy and it's like no one's holding back and it's this i think it's the longest beef in internet uh in the creator history so it just needs to be done i'm almost tired of just talking about it you know what i'm saying like obviously it always comes up obviously like every person in the media always talks about it obviously once a week we're tweeting at each other talking shit but it's like i would i just want to get it done are you worried at all if he beats tommy no that guy's gonna run on twitter yeah he's gonna go crazy for sure yeah we won't see the end of it we won't see the end of it but but anyone who's like go go off ks i if you beat tommy Go crazy, bro.

Like, let that shit rub your ego. Say whatever you want to say, but guess what? Just because you maybe beat Tommy, you didn't beat me. Man to man. And styles make fights. Everyone knows that. Everyone knows that just because this person beats this person, doesn't mean that that person can beat the other person.

So, like I said, that's where it goes back to win, lose, or draw. I want all of them. you can't you can't come after me and say you're better than me and say all of these things until you've beaten me and that's the way i look at it i'm i'm old school in that sense like we have to settle what we started and nothing else matters nothing none of this none of that it's me versus you okay and then i guess the logan danis fight you've obviously been asked this before but what what do you make of the whole fucking shit show it is well i mean like do you think that he took it too far or have like you and logan kind of

took it that far in the past too i mean i've never taken it that far i mean he like committed a federal crime so with what like spreading spreading like yeah like nude photos he says they're already on the internet it it doesn't matter you're still spreading it yeah if you if you further spread then you become it's like revenge porn yeah exactly yeah so I guess we see how that plays out. That's crazy. And maybe like, okay, like mention like a wife or a girlfriend once. But like this is.

But did he post like a nude video? A bunch of shit. I don't even know. I don't even know. But it's like constant all the time. It's, it's attacking. Yeah, it's attacking Nina. It's building hype for the fight.

It's, you know, he's creating this like whole troll army creating all of these memes and this is why Logan picked him was because obviously talks a lot of shit you know and he talks so much shit that Khabib jumped out of the ring and tried to jump kick him after beating Connor so he sells fights and you know we'll see if he shows up I hope to God yeah at the end of the day it's made this fight massive and what's crazy about the internet is that like a month ago this was like the biggest thing it It was so crazy. It was everywhere.

Now it's like, it just like died down. Well, can't he not post shit now, though? He says that. But I don't really actually know. But like, yeah, I was big. Yeah, he was firing off like a lot. Yeah, so who knows? But at the end of the day, he was a puppet to sell the fight, and he did just that.

And when Logan knocks him out and he is in a federal court case, he's going to go bankrupt and he's going to be knocked out and everyone's going to see the loser that the kid is and he had he had his run like he got his giggles he got his lads he got some clout out of it but it's it's short-lived it's short-lived when it's not built off of something real you think people are underestimating him at all in this fight though i don't think there's much to estimate because like with logan too like obviously he looks as athletic as fuck he's obviously been training but he is like what oh and two or own is it what's the official he's technically oh and one as a professional and the lines like i don't know what the line is but i know it's like crazy

yeah i mean you know logan skill probably better than a lot of people so like yeah this is what makes it interesting like i'm sure dylan's gonna come to fight um but like i don't know if the clips that he's posting of him like sparring and stuff are real but i don't think he's like smart enough to fake a clip to be like oh i'm going to trick him out so he sees what i'm doing and then trains for something else like he's not thinking at that level and you can't like fake being shitty like if i tried to go in there and like fake spar looking bad it it it doesn't look correct so he's not having a proper camp he's not having a proper coach he's training mMA like in those gyms where they all like spa each other like in their little squares he's not even like working

out in an actual ring he's got velcro gloves like at the end of the day he could do whatever he wants but logan's a really good boxer and he's really athletic and he's really strong and he's had experience being in the ring with floyd mayweather for eight rounds so when it's all set and done i believe logan's going to knock him out i'm actually pumped for that fucking fight bro both those fights they did a really good job of i guess putting that together fuck yeah the The tension in the stadium is going to be crazy. Like the energy is going to be palpable for sure. I think someone said that you were kind of worried about going because the London, London territory?

No, like, I think Logan was trying to, like, create hype or something around me going. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I'm going to go. But, no, in my experience, like, fans just are rowdy. Like, I like going into those environments. Like, I'm sure they're all going to be chanting, like, Fuck Jake Paul. Fuck Jake Paul. And I just thrive off of that.

Like, those environments are fun for me. So, and I obviously want to support Logan and be there for him. So I'm excited and, like, looking forward to the atmosphere for sure. Potent, God forbid, Dennis loses in your world. Is that a fight that would ever interest you? You mean if Logan loses? I just said, yeah. I don't think it's, I don't think.

But I don't even want to explore the possibility. of that i don't i there's nothing that dylan can bring to the table to beat logan i guess no one's yeah no one's really seen danis box but he's got to be tough he's definitely a fighter right yeah it's that's the thing it's like he's definitely tough that's what i'm trying to think but i mean we've never seen him take a hit yeah so that's what's the unknown of the fight is definitely what makes it interesting for sure like i don't think he's ever been punched in his career like he just takes people to the ground and submits him so it's interesting it's definitely gonna be very interesting i just hope he shows up like who knows he has to show up i'm gonna be

pissed if he doesn't show up and that but that he pulled out of his fight before it's the way we're supposed to fight k s i so damn you never know what's gonna happen i don't know bro honestly i wanted to like have a good interview with you and try and do it like that i wasn't expecting that so i apologize but like i wasn't ready for all that like i thought we were gonna genuinely sit down with you for an hour hour and a half and like actually talk to you i'm pretty sure that's what we did we're still gonna well i know but i can't keep that same energy now because that was just crazy i don't think it was that crazy i think it was a good like clip out good good like all around for no i know i just now i have to and like again like all we after this

No, you don't have to fight him after this. No, now I'm happy. What do you mean? I told him to go get the gloves, and I'm fucked. No, you don't have to. We're not going to fight outside poppy steak. I kind of like that. I kind of would rather do that.

Yeah, you know that we were here for that, right? Yeah, well, didn't it happen? It was here. No, well, Kobe posted it, too. Kobe posted he was here. And then we walk outside. I don't know if I'm fucking snitching on him, but whatever. But, yeah, we walk outside, like, right out of here.

And then, like, someone's. just jumps colby like i look and the guys wearing like a covid mask oh wow and like we just like we didn't know what's going on we get in the car i look at the window and i'm like what the fuck is that mosvidal like i find i see it's mosvidal i'm like what the fuck it was like a movie scene bro it was crazy yeah poppy steak might have some fight energy i know there's something about it right it's the steak primal it's the primeal it's the prime mistake we take the contract we take it back. There's no fight happening today. Yeah, like, I just looked at it from a completely different point of view.

I was like, funny-ass clip out. Maybe Steinie can make 500K. Like, he asked for 500K. That's what I heard. He said, and from what I heard, it was he's down to fight for 500K. Okay, here's 500K. Wait, wait, I want to tell you what happened, though. I don't want to mess up words because that's coming from your people.

Yeah, but I'm just saying, I'm explaining it from my side. For sure, I said, yo, I would rather fight that guy for a YouTube vlog on site. And then they said, what was your number to actually do it in the ring on a card? I said probably like half a mill. But I would rather do it right now, tomorrow, in the ring for the video and just get it out of the way. Yeah, all of that was excluded. Well, I mean, these are all the better people, right? One of them, yeah.

It's like mainly from one person, yeah. Okay. I don't think you could be pissed at Jake for that, though. I mean, that's... Dude, I don't give a fuck anymore, honestly. The business he's in, really. I just don't care anymore, honestly. I just wish you would have handled it differently.

I think you're missing the point of, like, that a fight would not only make you a shit ton of money, but, like, it will grow your brand in a major way. For sure, but not everybody wants to fight for that, bro. Not everyone's a YouTube fighter. He's not doing YouTube fights. Salim's not doing YouTube fights. Steve's not doing, like, that's a certain group of people. That's not everybody. Hey, Big Mike is not doing YouTube fights.

No, agreed. But all of these people's brands will only get so big. maybe, but maybe some people are okay with those, bro. I mean, there's no question it would be big, but I think it's, I think you're just so, you're just like, you're the master at it, so it's, like, easy for you to say, you know what I mean? Yeah, I just, like, that's your shit. I just see, like, how lucrative and, like, all the things that come from me. Oh, it's definitely lucrative.

I mean, there's no question to be big. Yeah, I agree, bro. But I think the- I'm not disagreeing with that. I just, like, all I said was I wish was handled a little differently. How would you have liked it to be handled? Maybe you hit up Kyle and say, yo, we're going to do. do this or what if we did this instead of just pulling up on me that would have fucked me for sure because that's well pulling up like that's a little and putting me on the spot's a little

different right a fucking sat here at two tequila sodas three like i'm a fucking dgen bro you know like a little heads up would have been a little bit better for me but i thought like you handled like really funny though i thought it was funny i did and you were like he's a fan and then you're like get out of here i'm probably overreacting or i'm probably heated right now but i'm just like, I've dealt with a lot of shit recently and I'm just fucking trying not to go back down that. What do you think about George Janko leaving impulsive? Oh, man. Look, I, I didn't think it was real at first.

I was like, what the fuck is going on? I texted both of them. I was like, is this really happening? Like, what the fuck happened? Like, this is our, like, best friend. since the first days of Hollywood and yeah there was just disagreements and it happens unfortunately in this business I mean bro yeah I know like behind the team so much shit when everything the business gets involved it's tough man it's really tough um so I get it from both sides it's unfortunate

and I know Logan still loves George George still loves Logan but sometimes best friends like go through that wave and obviously I still love George me and George, have a great relationship. But it's definitely unfortunate. But I think at some point they'll come back together and figure it out. Are you and Logan just, like, hyping up, like, a potential fight? No. We're not.

That's what people think. They're like, oh, they're just marketing to us a fight. No. But definitely just, like, we've had our crazy, like, run in this game together as brothers and have had a lot of like ups and downs together and unfortunately sometimes have disagreements and arguments and such um and yeah he he uh decided to put that podcast out but is it weird for you when something like that happens now and like you're so used to being the bad guy and then like everyone pretty much just takes your side and you're like

the good guy yeah it's uh yeah i don't know i don't it's weird i think people have like misconstrued not just that but i'm saying like you've been like you were always hated before and now it's like when something like that happens it's like jake paul's the good guy yeah it was weird it's a weird turn of events for sure because i've never people just look at you like how the rest of the world looks at you so it was weird for the first time after a decade of me feeling like this good guy and good person and continually trying

to show that but like people just didn't give a fuck then all the sudden like overnight people were like oh look at him he's like such a good person or brother or whatever it is so but I also don't like it that's why I told Logan

out to put out the podcast because it was like regardless I don't know I don't know. I think it was one of those things where it's kind of exactly what happened here where we like started talking about it. We started talking about it and then it became like the whole podcast. Right. And there was like a lot of shit that was actually like cut out.

But I just told him not to post it because I'm like regardless, this makes us both look bad. Like I don't want to be, I don't want to show the world that I'm arguing with my brother about this shit. Like this shit should be handled behind closed doors. But at the end of the day, it's like. it is what it is and we've lived our whole lives in this you know under a microscope everyone watching so we're kind of like accustomed to it and I think with him so much is happening and I feel like you could understand like you have a podcast of vlog you're editing you're putting out TikToks you're on business calls you're checking your investments you're living your own

personal life and at some point you can't like make proper decisions than like a piece of content that should be put out or not yeah and i guess it must be tough because like yeah you guys are like the only brother duo like i'm sure there's other brothers or other siblings well there is in real life that have like arguments or like really fucked up relationships but people act like those don't even exist they're just going to target you too yeah exactly and and they're reprimanding us in certain ways like they brothers shouldn't be like this be like the tape brothers but like at the end of the day not that's not always realistic like having a perfect relationship especially male to male younger brother to older brother

two to three years apart that's like the most competitive it could ever be and i think there's more commonly bad relationships or or tough relationships in those sectors and um ours just happens to be like i said under a microscope and there's definitely definitely things that we both could improve on and want to improve on and have been improving on, but it's really tough when he's also, I look to him not only for inspiration and motivation and, uh, all of these things, but he, we are competitive and we are in all the same industries. And why is it that my biggest sponsor is the, he has a company of his own in that category. My betting company, he's, his,

His biggest sponsor is a betting company. So, like, there's all these, like, weird parallels. Barstool is done with that shit now, no? Yeah, yeah, now. Are they officially done? You would know the business of that, right? Yeah, it's still, it's still, like, operating in some sense. I believe it's, like, parts of it are still operating, but, like, something that they're deal with, like, Penn is, is different now.

So it's, like, I don't know if they're dissolving it slowly or something, but. That's crazy that they, like, I mean. And did that kind of just flop? Or like... I think what was happening is... I feel like that's like for us like shutting down like Happy Dad or something. So Penn owned Barstool and bought it.

And there was so much controversy happening in Barstool that it was affecting Penn's stock prices on a daily basis. And they were like, we can't have this liability. So it's not that the business wasn't working. It was just that there was too much negative. press around what was going on in bar stool do you get emotional and pissed off about the dana situation i know it's a curveball but no like i i see it obviously i don't like someone going after like my sister-in-law like that um which is funny to say like i have a sister-in-law it's crazy but but yeah like

you don't want you don't want people attacking your family But I don't know if I'm, like, so just used to it or numb or, like, expecting of it. And I've been through the ringer, like, everything about me is already out there. So it's, like, freeing in a way. Like, once you're liberated from that, it's, like, you're freed socially. So it's kind of a cool thing. But, yeah, I definitely don't agree with. the way he's gone about it.

But I see the other side of it. But also, like, justice is a bitch, and now he's, like, dug himself into a hole that he didn't have to dig himself into. So, like, at the end of the day, Logan's going to get his hand raised, and Nina's going to get her hand raised in the court of law. I will say, though.

Dylan's got to win this fight. Yeah. Or, well, I guess. He still gets paid, and he still got his cloud out of it, though. Yeah, but I mean, like, he's going to be in, like, a three-year. lawsuit probably like millions of dollars in lawyer fees

and that doesn't include like damages when and if he loses the case. I think on the flip side, even Canelo said this like I don't want to quote him but I think he said like he doesn't necessarily respect all these guys as fighters but he respects you because you bring in a different audience that would never tune into boxing.

So it's like isn't Dennis in a sense kind of doing the same thing? It's short-lived though because he's not really like a boxer. but more people might tune into the sport. I think what Canelo is saying, like, yeah, there's, like, viewers and people caring about boxing, but that's already kind of, like, been taking care of, like, all this new wave. It's not just, like, on Dennis' shoulders, and it's not just on my shoulders. I think what Canelo more so is saying is, like, what I'm doing for women's boxing,

getting them the highest pay days ever, like, putting Amanda Serrano in the spotlight to get her to be the highest paid female boxer, going from $10,000, basically, to millions of dollars in the bank account, you know, what I'm doing for young fighters promoting them, for what I'm doing for fighter pay, like paying all the people that are on my cards, the biggest paydays of their lives and my foundation and how it's getting younger kids to be more interested in the sport of boxing. And also, like, randomly just supporting these fighters, going to Poland, promoting Ussk's fight just because I think it's amazing that he was fighting for his country.

All of these things, I think, is what Canelo sees, and he's, like, summarizing it, and, like, he's bringing more eyeballs. You don't have to give a number, but what was your biggest payday out of all your fights? Can you say? Yeah, it's, like, close to 30 million. No, which fight was it? Oh, Tommy, Fury. And that was...

30 mil, just from the fight money. Yeah. God damn. think would you say that was the most heavily promoted on like social media like why do you think that one converted the most because he's a real like actual i think just the timing of everything in in fights like that makes the most sense and it was like two undefeated young prospects putting it all in the line his brothers the heavyweight champion of the world family versus family the beef it was there was two fights before it that were supposed to happen that we

promoted all the promotion for that he pulled out of so there was like all that built in promo um tons of legends attending the fight rinaldo being there so it just turned into this like massive event and we we specifically put it at a time where there was no other sports on tv so like all of these little things add up to making it big what do you think about the furry nagoni fight i think it's great for uh francis to show other fights fighters a roadmap to becoming their own wealthy business mogul and like leaving the UFC where he was getting taken advantage of only getting like 600K for fights when he's

the heavyweight champion of the world and he's now going to go make you know tens of millions of dollars um i think that is the new model where fighters should take advantage of building their own brand owning it, owning the back end of these events. And it's going to be entertainment spectacle. A lot of people are talking shit to Tyson. They're talking shit to Francis. They're saying

Francis isn't looking good. They're saying Tyson's taking an easy fight. It's going to be a payday. But at the end of the day, it's a show business. The first thing is the show and this is going to be entertaining. And

who knows, like if Francis This is going to come out swinging like a madman. When is that fight? October 20th. I'm going to be honest. I haven't heard much about that, though. Not too much. It seems like your brother's card's like overshadowing that pretty hard.

Yeah, I mean, I think Tyson's just not really like promoting it heavy. It's more so just like the fight pages posting about it. But like come fight day, it's tough because it's not prime time here. it's going to be like in the middle of the day but it's I think a lot of people are still going to tune in yeah what's uh what's good with the pfl um man

so many things like we also have we also have signed francis there so you know the heavyweight champion leaves the UFC signs with the pfl and we have such an amazing infrastructure through the pfl and now it's instead of the UFC being this monopoly it's like fighters have somewhere else to go where they're going to be treated better they can have their own sponsors

they can get 50% of the pay-per-view they can get the biggest paydays um it's on ESPN plus you know I can't talk about the viewership but they're the exact numbers but they're crushing it and only growing year after year and what excited me about it is giving fighters in MMA People were like, oh, you could talk about fighter pay. Like, you could be mad at Dana. You could say all of these things, but what are you going to do about it? It's like, this is what I'm doing about it. I partner with the PFL to help grow their pay-per-view division,

to give fighters 50% of the revenue, to have their own sponsors, so on and so forth. And the first person we brought on was Francis Ngano, which is massive for the PFL. And he's going to box, obviously, do his thing. there, and then hopefully come back into MMA as soon as possible. Are you signed to do a fight in that league? Yeah. An MMA fight. Yes.

I thought you're supposed to fight Nate for 10 mils. Yeah, so I tried to fight Nate. We tried everything. How does he turn that down, though? He was just making such big requests behind the scenes. Does he make more than 10 mil a fight though? No. Really?

No. For his Conner fight, he made like a round of that. But, like, when he just fought me, he made more than that. If he was to fight Connor again, though, he'd make it a lot. I know that. Yeah, I mean. Wait, I just understand. Why wouldn't he not fight you in M.A?

I think it's too big of a risk, right? Like, okay, $10 million, but if he loses to me, it's like... What, it's legacy? Yeah, legacy, like, he's going to get made fun of, right? And he felt the power. But I don't think he could take me down, so he couldn't submit me. I don't mean to cut you off, but it sounds crazy that he'd go and fight you in your lane, but he wouldn't fight you in his own, right? It's kind of a lose situation for him.

And so that's why behind the scenes on the business side of things, he's making, like, outrageous number claims and negotiations and wanting such, like, unrealistic things. So that says something like that. That's the problem with fighting is fighters can so easily just hide behind contracts and say that. That's the reason they didn't want to fight. And then, like, no one really knows the details. But I think now because of social media, because the fans have a voice, because I can come onto this show and explain that, it's like Nate is ducking me because he's not going to get that much money unless he fights Connor.

But then why wouldn't he take the deal with me, make that money, beat me if he's so confident, and then go back to the UFC. Because if he goes back into the UFC now, he's going to be locked up for, like, five fights. and he's not going to be a free agent. So financially it would make most sense for him to fight me. Beat me easily because he's an MMA, this, MMA, that. But why doesn't he do that? It's so much risk, really, truly.

What was it like dealing with those guys, like the Diaz team? Because I've hung out with them a few times, and they're fucking, they're crazy. No, obviously, I love them. They're jokes that they're just like, they do whatever the fuck they want. How is it like doing business with them? Well, I wasn't, like, fully on the business side. I would, I would just, like, that was where Nekisa was handling most things. Like, when he just dips out of the press conferences and shit.

Yeah, exactly. Like, he's, like, ludicrous, kind of outrageous, like, does whatever the fuck he wants, really. But that's also, like, him selling the fight. So, like, he knows what he's doing. He knows how to get people amped up and pissed off and to create controversy. So in terms of the promotion, things really ramped up on Fight Week, the squabble that happened on stage. But definitely, like, had to do a lot of teaching for them on the boxing side of things. How much do you think you'd make if you and Logan Fatt?

Seriously, though. Like, would that do 50 M's for? each of you probably more than Connor right no probably do like 1.5 million buys 2 million buys maybe probably let's just say 1.5 million at like 75 dollars so yeah you're talking like around 100 mil you think that bring in more money than McGregor no McGregor Mayweather no no you no you and you versus McGregor oh oh no because like McGregor like me versus Logan would be bigger but like McGregor's kind of lost he's kind of lost a lot of momentum you think that could ever happen I I don't know I don't think so I mean because if he's with the UFC they're exactly like

Dana wouldn't want that to happen yeah exactly so he's going to get blocked if he was in control of his own career I think he would maybe want to do it but I also think you know he looks at me easily beating Nate Diaz and seeing that he went toe to toe with this guy in the back of his mind he's like damn like this kid's probably

a better striker than what I think and he's old and older and kind of like hasn't been active so you think he's going to fight again who knows bro I think he has to it's been a minute I mean he was supposed to fight in December like we were talking to can he's not even in

the USada pool or I don't think right like you got to get in that and then you have to wait six months yeah like i think he's just like always dealing with injuries and you can't you can't live both lifestyles of like partying and doing all the things he's doing and then also being in the gym and i think that's what he's trying to do yeah but floyd he's guzzin and shit at his bar floyd'll fight somebody you've never heard of for and make 10 mil and no one even hears about it you know what i'm saying he's not making that much though that's what they say yeah Just because, like, he's trying to protect his brand and such, but he's just doing, like, one-off deals with random distribution partners that are, like, guaranteeing him a lot of money and going to each company and kind of just, like...

So who do you think is the best boxer in the game right now, then? Just pound for pound. Yeah, pound for pound for pound. I would say it's either... Tyson Fury, Terence Crawford, or Nya, in a way. What about Tank Davis? Not yet. Like, he's obviously great, but I don't think he's on that list yet with, like, the opposition he's beat.

I think if him and Haney fight or him and Shakur fight, then those conversations change. Or even in the, you know, if he goes up to 140 and fight someone like Regis Progris. or whoever it might be at 140, then he can be in those discussions. But, yeah, he's obviously a massive draw. It's just interesting, too, because you look at the, like, the Garcia fight. Garcia is a huge dog,

but, like, does it make more money for him if he fights a guy who has a bigger social media presence? For sure. So it's like... No, for sure, though. I mean, that's the strategy, like, behind it. You know, he's going to want to take big fights and make money. At the end of the day,

prize fighting so that's why the ryan versus tank fight did so well and they had beef for years and years and years and years and years and a lot of these really good boxers don't have built-in following right so it's it's you know they don't have a name really in the boxing world yeah but outside of that it's not going to be big big fights so for sure fuck It's a crazy game. This is random, but you don't train with Sugar Shane no more, right? No, he was in the last camp, yeah. Are you still with him?

Yeah, no, he's, like, still involved, yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, he's a legend, man. He knows his shit. It's the only guy that gave Floyd, like, a run for his money. Yeah. The only time Floyd has, yeah, like, almost been dropped. Yeah.

Who's your favorite current UFC fighters? I would say Sugar Sean What'd you think of his fucking knock? It's crazy, bro. So sick. I just so happy for him, like And he just manifested at all

And again, like just went against everyone Proved everyone wrong Dealt with all the shit talk Oh, you're not good enough, you don't have this You don't have the ground game You don't have blah blah blah The stamina, the and then he just shuts everyone the fuck up So

That was insane sick and just fucking around the whole time he's he's one of the boys just fucking smoking weed fucking around like it's it's hilarious so happy for him um and i like israel israel what about that loss though yeah i mean he's lost before right it's the name of the game i think some people just live larger than a loss like a loss doesn't define them in many cases it only makes them bigger. I mean, that's why... It seemed like it really affected him but the loss.

I think he just caught a doo- Do you think he underestimated his... Do you hear that or no? Wait, who, Israel? Yeah. Yeah, I saw that. Fuck. That's something to laugh about.

But, uh, do you think he underestimated his opponent? I think he was coming off of, like, the biggest win of his career. You know, finally beating Pereira. And it's not an excuse, but, like, I can... walk in his shoes because you start you're beating these people you know you're making tens of millions of dollars you have all these sponsorships you have a podcast you have content you have businesses that you're investing into your empire is growing your team is growing and you can start

to lose focus of like what what brought you there and you start to run in these circles billionaires want to be your friends you know all these girls want to hang out the athletes want to hang out Before you know it, you're drinking, you're on a yacht and fucking Abiza all the sudden, and you lose that focus in the gym. I mean, it's the name of this whole entire fucking game, you know. Was that happening to you? Yeah, I mean, all that shit was. At what point?

With Tommy probably, right? I think after, like, I knocked out Woodley, it was just like... A lot of partying? Oh, just all of it. It was just like the bit, like, everything just grew so fast. and you know you're making so much fucking money and like everyone wants to hang out everyone wants a business idea to pitch you these brands your businesses are actually growing you're still doing all of these interviews and things and you want to enjoy yourself because you're

proud of yourself and you achieved some of your goals and that can just start to take away focus and for me I was like just knocking out everybody I fought how did you draw that line then like at what point did you like make the decision to go sober and shit it was uh it was before the tommy fury fight um so obviously for camp you're not going to drink yeah but like like what made you made that decision like to never i was just like damn like what am i doing like it's it's it happens like one day you just wake up and you're like it's time for me to move on from this like i'm growing up I'm over-indulging and you catch yourself

and that's really what it was for me and I knew I wasn't focused going into the Tommy fight I was like drinking like seven weeks before and I was like what the fuck am I doing going into the fight? Yeah I was like what the fuck am I doing

like partying? Both like at the club and you think like okay like no one's really beat me or like giving me a crazy challenge he's like a kid seven weeks up to Tommy you were in the club

yeah damn bro yeah like in hindsight it's so stupid and it sounds stupid and it is stupid and that's why I'm saying it out loud is so that like other people could learn from that and not fucking do that because I'm just like bro this guy can't beat me blah blah blah and

I was around my family it was like around Christmas and like Like, just one thing led to another. Like, I wanted to have fun during Christmas and New Year's with my family. I know. And my family's crazy. They drink all the time. So it's like, okay, fuck, I'm sitting in there.

I'm the only sober one. And then I'm like, oh, fuck it. I'll have some drinks. And then before you know it, we're at fucking barley house. But shit happens. And, but I, I, it was like January 5th where I was like, bro, what the fuck am I doing? I'm done with this shit and

sure enough I like lost because of that and that just like reaffirmed what the fuck were you doing you shouldn't that's not that's not the life you're meant to live kid and there's nothing wrong with making mistakes and

learning the hard way and it's that loss has like made me better it was a win on every single level it's like turning that L into so many Ws and coming back and having a bigger fight, you know, getting, it made me focus. It was like, okay, like, it checked my ego. It humbled me.

What was it like right after you lost? Because you, like, the way, yeah, like, we've been watching as a fan, it was just like, there's no way Jake Paul can lose. Yeah, exactly. So it's like, how was that for you? Like, was it tough? It was tough, like, the night of the fight. And I just, like, journaled everything.

started writing like how I was feeling down because I didn't the main thing is that I didn't want to forget that feeling of the loss for motivational purposes like moving forward no I journal I journal a lot before then but like I felt compelled to in that moment and so I can even like go back and you did it in the locker room like no like in the hotel like when we got back damn I was like sitting in my room hotel room and it was embarrassing like I felt like I felt did big bro give you a call no he was there he was there no I mean but did he come talk to you or whatever

he talked to me afterwards he's like bro I know what you're going through like this happened to me during it for KSI and so like the first part of it is like damn like I fucking lost like this sucks like it's that exact same feeling that I had on my own head like I could never lose so that night was like tough but I woke up in the morning and I remember specifically like I got on my podcast and kind of just like vented and that was really helpful and Logan was there and I kind of just like said everything and I wanted to be an example to other kids of like if you lose this is how I'm feeling I got like super vulnerable on that podcast but then we stopped filming I like look out the hotel window and we're on like the 26th floor some shit so I could see like this whole city and there was thousands of cars driving and I was

was just like man I'm the one who cares the most about this life goes on look at all these people going about their day this is only as big as I make it out to be and like let's just use this as motivation and I'm going to carry on

and hold my chin up and realizing that like all of it is a W I never even expected to come this far I never expected to be selling 800,000 pay-per-views against a legendary bloodline of boxers on ESPN with Rinaldo at my event. Like, I was just fucking on Disney Channel.

Like, so all of it is a W. And that's really what I had to focus on was that I exceeded my own expectations and be happy and proud of myself for, like, where I had gotten in such a short amount of time and what I'd done for the sport. and let's just get motivated for the rematch in 2024 and come back and prove that does that go down for sure 100% yeah and just prove that when i'm at my best and i'm focused and i'm not you got to dial the fuck in you're dialed i'm dialed i'm dialed so it's like people are going to see that that different fighter and i think they got a glimpse of it with nade diaz but i'm just excited man and and it builds the storyline and uh and and I said that don't judge me by my wins,

judge me by how I handle this loss and come back from it. Fuck yeah. I'm fired up. I was get fired up on these pods. You guys cool now? We're all good? No, I'm cool, bro.

Yeah, no. I just, I'm, bro, I've gotten a lot of surprises and at some point you kind of get tired of on it. I definitely didn't think about it from that point of view, for sure. Yeah, that's all that is. Oh, that was awesome. Oh, yeah. Are we putting the full thing up or what?

Yeah, now you're putting me on the spot again. Yeah, man, it's all good. I'm cool with it. Alright bro thank you That's fine thanks So fucking stupid bro How's his training? What about to see?

I think they should Spar in the ring tomorrow Yeah, he's seen me son off I told him not to do it You ready? You're ready? You're ready? Let's go

Let's go Oh, yeah Hands up! Velcro, Velcro, Velcro, Velcro, Velcro Velcro. Go, let's go, Sattie! Let's go, let's go! Let's go!

Go, baby! Go, Daddy! Oh, yeah! Go! Hold on, hold on, bro. I've had a lot of drinks. Wait, wait, wait. Give me like one 30 seconds, huh.

What happened? Well, then get in the fucking ground. If you want the top, get on the ground. Guys, you have light on. He's gas down. Put his hands up. Oh my God. Let's go, let's go.

It's okay. Yeah! Yeah! Go, baby! No stop, let's go. I think we should call it at some point. Yeah, like 30, like let's give him like 45 seconds. All right, chill, chill, chill, chill, chill.

Well, then get on the fucking, get on your knee then. All right, Jake, you're good, you got your flip. Oh, that's crazy. We'll do it a better time, but I'm drinking. Alright. You caught out after one fucking minute, bro. No, I think Steinie got the better of that. No, no, no, no, Derek won that.

You wanted the cop out. Oh, you bitch out to one minute, let's keep going. You asked for 30 second, bro. You gotta go, guys. Go, guys, three happy dance. Yeah, go I just do this on a car. Alright, we'll figure it out. That was fun. That was fun, that was good.

I think Stein, that was easy down. Oh, shit the fuck up, Kyle. You get in the ring, bro. I'm not fighting you, bro. I'm not fighting you. Oh, bro. I didn't lose that shit, boy. No, you won.

Pro, you won. Good shit. That was the biggest day of your life, bro. Oh, shut your bitch ass up. That was pretty good after five drinks. No, you backed it up. You backed it up. You backed your shit up.

Good job, like, that was bossy. You did, you didn't, you guys, I talked in 10-year-round. I don't get us to know that. You gotta say that Nelk audience up there. Go fuck yourself, milk. You're funny. Good shit, boys. Good shit, boy.