FULL SEND PODCAST - Jelly Roll x Nelk Boys | Ep. 112

Episode Date: January 9, 2024

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Starting point is 00:01:37 We'll get your order on, man. It's live. I hate this part. That's the worst part, right? It's only in there for like a second, though. It's already done. And that fast it's over. How many times do you get IVs in a month?
Starting point is 00:01:52 If I'm on tour? Yeah, I'm sure. I could say probably nine, nine to 12. Really? Yeah. I mean, you can't have more than three I'll do like two or three a week on tour Because I'll do five or six shows a week
Starting point is 00:02:04 I'm like old school rock and roll So like I'll take Monday and Wednesday off I'll play Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday So you know, I'm a big dude Drink a lot, run myself in the ground So I'm always big on this My bad, I'm just getting fucking
Starting point is 00:02:20 No, you're plugged Oh did you missed or you plugged I think it was my fault though I think I moved You can go that's bro It sucks when you have to give it another try right it's like shit the third poke's the one for me though it's like I because I'm like a three strikes
Starting point is 00:02:34 you're out guy I got pussy veins I think a little bit sometimes so they probably hit them a lot though right how much you get Iveed it depends same shit if I'm traveling around a lot I'll try to get them as much as I can but I don't know I'd say maybe once every two weeks yeah they make a huge difference in my life man it's a big it's a cheat code it's a cheat code man when did you start getting
Starting point is 00:02:52 into like the health shit well like I'm just now really getting into the health shit but I got into the IV shit because of my drinking years ago. Yeah, I got into IV shit, and then I realized the healthy benefits of it that you could do it not just... I thought it was just a hangover cure.
Starting point is 00:03:06 I had no clue that it was like jet lag or like, you know, just little shit like flying them planes of dehydrates. You fly twice in a day, man. I don't care. How much water you drink? It'll fuck your shit up, you know what I mean? So you were getting them as a hangover care.
Starting point is 00:03:16 Yeah, yeah, for sure because I was just tying one on too much. And dude, I get them like... I get those... I'm one of them dudes that when I puked the neighbor's note. You know what I'm talking about? Like, I'm one of those guys. Like, I'm a violent puker.
Starting point is 00:03:27 Like, what about when you shit? Like, you're shaking on the lawn and shit. Close sometimes, depends on what I is. It's like when you shit they know, too. Yeah, I shit about like you would think of fat person's shit. You know how you look at fat people and assume they shit different? It's true. Do you know that's the truth?
Starting point is 00:03:42 Are you going to look me in my eyes and leave to tell me you never look at a fat person to thought, I bet, that's a nasty shit. Never, it is. It's a nasty shit. No, that's certain of times confirmed. Yeah, it's 100%. 100%. It's all the way in.
Starting point is 00:03:54 Gabe, yeah, that's a nasty way too. What age did you start drinking at? Fuck, dude, probably, that's why I want to do this podcast. Nobody's ever asked me that. I think probably 13 or 14. My father was a big drinker, so, like, I just thought my daddy would pour vodka in his coffee thermos at 5 in the morning. I just thought that was like, I thought it was a sweetener when I was probably 10.
Starting point is 00:04:17 You know what I was saying? It's, fuck, I might have drank sooner thinking it was sweet and low. That's awesome. Podcasts there, Mitch got. Yeah. You remember they're famous again. I was joking with my daughter about that. I got a 15-year-old daughter, so it's like I'm watching life coming full circle.
Starting point is 00:04:31 And she's like, the trend at her school this year was them big thermos, the Stanley Mugs. Yeah, those are fucking huge right now. Well, dude, that was a big thing when I was, you know, in the late 80s, early 90s. Yeah, chicks love those. Yeah, it's crazy. They're a thing, right? You know what I mean? So, like, hot right now.
Starting point is 00:04:46 I don't know how they can, dude, it all comes back, man. Yeah. It's crazy. You know what I mean? Let me tell that last night. Yeah, it always comes back. but I realized back when I was a kid my father poured vodka and his coffee right there you know what I mean how difference uh your daughter's childhood from yours dude dramatic man it's it's it's it's really cool
Starting point is 00:05:06 I think that's all we really want none of y'all are fathers right if I remember right now um so the coolest thing about a kid is like the ability one watching her find her own identity and everything was like, but knowing that I'm truly breaking generational curses. Like, genuinely, I'm going to break curses that have been in my family since three, four generations ago, hundreds of years, almost, of living a certain way in us being able to break that cycle. Yeah. So, I mean, obviously, your childhood was pretty, like, from what I've seen, obviously, like,
Starting point is 00:05:44 we watch interviews and you talk about how you got incarcerated at 15, 16. Yes, sir. So what do you learn from that? And why do you think you were in that situation to even have to do the things you did? You know, I'm not sure that I really had to do it when you look back, but when you're 15, it's do or die, right? Like, as an almost 40-year-old man, I can tell you the shit that you think matters don't really matter. The shit that you think is going to be like seven chapters in your book won't even make it. But at 15, you don't realize that.
Starting point is 00:06:13 So everything is the complete end of the world. And that's why I'm such a big advocate about giving back to youth and talking to at-risk youth. and talking to these kids because I remember how big life was at 15. You know what I'm saying? You know what I mean? It's like now, almost 40, I can tell you that we are tiny and life is quick. You know what I mean? But at 15, everything was a different thing.
Starting point is 00:06:35 So, but to answer your question, you know, we were middle, lower class people, man. All I didn't, I never, I thought about this the other day. And I want to hear y'all's story because it could be the same or different. But I didn't grow up next to anybody with a career. Like there wasn't a nurse on my. street there wasn't a mailman on my street you know there wasn't even like a hard working construction we had like maybe one construction worker dude you know what i mean like everybody else was just like barely scraping by you know what i mean like what kind of jobs
Starting point is 00:07:07 are they doing if anything they might work in like a taco bill you know what i mean like at best fast food like i knew somebody a mother with a fast food job not like a firm firm job like for sure like A lot of government assistant stuff, a lot of like, just like, you know, come and go. Whatever job they had, you just were waiting for the next one. Nobody had like a career career. Nobody came in with an actual skill set. We didn't have a barber. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:07:31 So like my only examples of people that were successful were the guys that were selling drugs. You know, that don't make it right. But that is just a pain of perspective. Once again, back when you're 12 and you haven't met. I don't know. I don't know if any of y'all grew up next to a nurse, but I don't know how different that would be. even just for my daughter to think she grows up next to people that work and have had a job or have went to college or, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:07:53 We didn't know nobody went to college. I mean, yeah, if all the people that are successful around you, you're going to kind of look to them and, yo, this is what I need to do to be successful, right? Like you're kind of just a product of your own environment, right? Yeah, it's like, how many brothers and sisters you got? I got one sister younger. Did she graduate? Yes.
Starting point is 00:08:09 Did you graduate in high school as well? Yeah, high school, yeah. Did you graduate high school, Stanley? Yeah, yeah. What about you? You graduated high school? It wasn't even like a thing in our house. Like, if you did or didn't, it didn't really matter.
Starting point is 00:08:18 It was never like, even something that small when you think about just cultural differences of learning is that nobody in the house, like, you have, like, put an emphasis on, like, you got to get your, you got to get your diploma. Like, I didn't even know nobody in the neighborhood who graduated. I just assumed everybody went and got their GED when they were 15 or 16 or 17 or whatever the state law was. Like, I didn't even, like, the idea of walking and getting a hat and throwing it in the air was not even a thought in my mind. You know what I mean? Like watching my daughter go to high school, Kyle, it's been the coolest experience of my whole life. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:52 Just because you never really saw that coming up. I'm seeing them like they had the state championship football game the other day, Bubba. That's huge in the South. I don't know what y'all know about like southern. No, I mean, I'm from Canada, but when I come here now and see how crazy football is, even at high school college.
Starting point is 00:09:05 It's a big deal. State championships is like a big deal. And it's in this little town called Chattanooga. It's just the coolest town on earth. Y'all should go to Chattanooga. Happy Dad would be a big hit there. I'm sure it is. but we went out there with her
Starting point is 00:09:17 and it was like watching her go to her high school she goes at this country ass back road high school they have a bring a tractor to work day it's like she's a part of the farm union thing at school or whatever the farm club is you know what I mean future farmers of America shit it's like old school country stuff you know
Starting point is 00:09:32 and going and watching that was like man this is every every memory I wish I had you know that's kind of cool that you get to kind of live that out now through her it's really cool man and it's really cool to see her doing the right thing and just watching her become a young woman, like her making her own decisions, her own life. It's just really cool, man. I got a seven-year-old, too, so a little boy, so I split the difference. But my 15-year-old,
Starting point is 00:09:54 my wife and I've had custody up for eight years. That's awesome. So the first time you went to jail, was that 16, you said? Really, probably 13. I think I went for like a shoplifting case or something. Then I caught a weed charge and a couple of assault cases at school. I was just a troubled kid. I just, I was talking about it. now so different because you look back with real perspective and work and you're like man i was just not even misunderstood i was i was painfully insecure and felt painfully rejected and i carried a chip on my shoulder and a sense of entitlement in life that i didn't even i didn't have a reason to have really you know but that's the truth i was just a young angry kid you know what i mean yeah
Starting point is 00:10:36 you can start me anytime but you know me i'll talk and let you poke oh man can you talk about that that first significant charge you got the armed robbery yeah man that's um the armed robbery case the one that really got me was we were going to i've never i don't know if i've ever really talked about this and i've tried not to but i fuck i will we were going to do a drug deal not a big one but some weed i don't know dude i was 15 or something it's like 60 weeks are just selling weed we were going to buy somebody said they had some weed for no somebody said they had some money and we acted like we had the weed okay so we were going to do that that was kind of where we were you know what i mean and
Starting point is 00:11:14 And we went in with bad intentions. That's the truth. And I don't run from that in my story because I think it's really important to own it. I've made peace with it with myself. You know what I'm saying? But it still doesn't make it any right. It was a very heinous action. It was a very bad way to live.
Starting point is 00:11:31 The thought process going in there was inexcusable by any merit. But that's the truth of the story. You know, we were kids. And they charged me as an adult for that one. That was the one I got charged as an adult for. And how much time did you do? dude I don't at that time a few years I guess I don't I so I've been in and out of the system since I was 13 or 14 right so from 14 to like 24 25 for me is a little blurry because you were just always in or out of jail and way more time in than out so I look at it like I might have did eight and a half of those of that decade yeah eight years of that decade incarcerated it's probably the easiest way to look at how fucked like how fucked were the jails when you went there oh dude it was you know jail sucks dude I've only been for fucking like a few like 12 hours or 24 hours twice and that was enough for me to be like bro
Starting point is 00:12:21 no dude jail is awful it is my biggest fear going to jail bro i used to joke with people and um i used a joke with people and and all the time like dudes in prison would be like i just left this camp they called it camp or i just left here and they'd be like it was all right the food was good like we were talking about malls i was like we're not talking about fucking malls here dude i don't care if they give me a fillet in one spot it's fucking my freedom missing yeah you know what i mean the way I describe it is my absolute best day, best day I ever had in jail is my birthday one year. I'll never forget it. It was just an awesome day to be in, for, for a jail was better than my worst day I've ever had out here. The single worst day of my life,
Starting point is 00:13:02 I've had homeless thinking I wasn't going to figure it out in life, thinking suicidal thoughts out here were never worse. We're never worse than my best day in jail. Yeah, jail, fuck, girl. And at that point, when you're, in and out music wasn't a part of your life music was but just like from the therapeutic side of like writing it yeah i didn't you know i've always wrote songs like music was a really big big thing in my household you know what i mean like what was y'all's relationship with music growing up dude my rolling stones my whole life rolling stones on zepplin like classic rock like but your parents like played music for you my dad played 70s my mom played 80s so
Starting point is 00:13:41 what about you like my dad's a big like classic rock guy. Dope, dope. So he'd like, like, made it a point to introduce you to music, kind of. Yeah, for sure. What about you? Mine's his old R&B. Like, I mean, James Brown was big.
Starting point is 00:13:53 Just old, old music. Who do you remember, like, introducing you to music, like, the most? Probably my dad. Yeah, me too. Yeah. That's awesome. I said the radio, man. Really?
Starting point is 00:14:03 Honestly. Yeah. That's cool. I know. The radio was on, and I didn't know how to change it. So, like, we just kept playing, and then there was some, there was some good songs throughout the day. Yeah. But I didn't know how to change it.
Starting point is 00:14:13 Yeah, that's awesome. I grew up like similar to y'all to like we had a real like bang music household like we would all gather around the speakers like more than we would the TV we would come down and listen to records my mama would play records it was kind of a way she dealt with her addiction and mental health stuff and I would like just like come down and because we didn't see her out of that room much so when she'd come out and play records we'd all gather around the table and listen to whatever she was playing or whatever she had to say you know what I mean so music was like always a thing and when I realized early that my mother loved music that And I immediately was like, oh, this is, you know, I go, what, I had a little poem wrote or something. You know, here's a little song, like, as early as I can remember. So music's always been. I wrote so many raps and so many, so many songs in jail. Yeah, well, also, if it's a time where, like, you're dealing with a shittier childhood, and you notice that music's bringing your family together.
Starting point is 00:15:04 You're going to fucking love that. Man, it was definitely a part of our therapy. You know what I mean? Especially to see what it did to a woman that I didn't see happy a lot. Like, I didn't see my mother very, like, she was very, very tortured soul. She's a different woman now. She's actually really cool. Like, went gambling with her recently, like, cool as shit, you know?
Starting point is 00:15:22 But, like, yeah, yeah, dude. We went play blackjack one night after a Willie Nelson show. I had me and Willie Nelson did a show together, and she called me, and she came to the Willie Nelson show, we went gambled afterwards. What did you guys do? Yeah. Oh, dude, one, like 50 bands. It was crazy.
Starting point is 00:15:36 Oh, that's a huge way. Yeah, I gave my mother a chip, and she thought it was like a $100 chip, and it was 10 grand. So when she, so when her security, the security, the security, the guy had with her took her there she was like what she thought he stole some she called me like jason i think they gave me too much money i was like no that's what we want so you play pretty big action when you gamble i'll play with y'all if y'all ever want to go yeah we should gamble in Vegas yeah i'd love to dude it'd be a dream of mine yeah i'll play i'll play i'll have a little fun
Starting point is 00:16:01 yeah so you started on youtube right yes sir youtube man that's why it's so cool to be here with y'all because i'm like a youtube kid you know what i mean how was it like for you starting during YouTube era back then. Dude, I started during www.com. Show you my age. You couldn't do it on your phone at all.
Starting point is 00:16:20 You had to do it from a hard laptop. You know when you uploaded your first video? Yeah. Oh, shoo, man. I'd say 20, 20, 2000, not yet, not even 20, 2007.
Starting point is 00:16:33 I'm going to say 2007, 2000, no, no, it was probably eight or nine. The 10 minute freestyle, I think, went up for the first time when I first got out in 2000, early nine, and 2009, and I can tell you this, it was called the 10 minute freestyle.
Starting point is 00:16:46 It's like me, we all should watch it one day. If you got 10 minutes, the bloke's funny. But I just got out of jail and I was rapping. And the reason it was 10 minutes was because YouTube would only allow you to upload a 10 minute video. And they gave you like a 30 second buffer or something. So I think it was technically like 10 minutes and 20 seconds.
Starting point is 00:17:04 Like whatever the maximum amount of the video they cut off was. So. It's a long fucking time to first. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's crazy was we rap for like an hour, and they just chopped it up. I just got out of jail, though. I had so many ideas, and I had so many, like, I was so hungry.
Starting point is 00:17:20 I'm wearing this goofy-ass polo-collared shirt because I just went to see my PO. I'd been out of jail for like 40 hours, you know? Wow. What clicked in your brain where you were like, okay, let's actually record this and let's put this on the internet? I just was always a dream. I just always believed that music was like my only real choice, like my only true chance I had. to make it and life was going to be through music. And I put all my cards on that.
Starting point is 00:17:43 I was always early to stuff. Like, I had a conversation with a friend of mine, it's a musician, and he was talking about when Best Buy was closing its doors. Because I was in the CD era too, right? And he said, you need to hurry up and get you a tray card at Best Buy before you can't get them no more. And I thank God for this spirit, because right then I thought to myself, I said,
Starting point is 00:18:05 and I told him this, I said, man, I'd be honest, I think we should be more focused on trying to get ahead of iTunes. than trying to keep our CDs in stores. Wow. Something just hit you. Yeah, something just hit me. I was just like, I just knew the future. Like, you know, I just, not that I knew the future,
Starting point is 00:18:20 but I was smart enough to see it. And for a night, listen, y'all, I'm an uneducated man. So for me to, like, see that even back then was like nobody was seeing it around me. None of the indies in Nashville were, like, seeing it the way I was. I was like, I'm telling you, dude, like, MySpace is the future. Like, you put your songs on MySpace. That's how people are going to hear your music now. You're burning this for no reason.
Starting point is 00:18:39 world's on my space i started feeling like that early you said the best day was the birthday in jail was what was like a bad what was like a bad day oh dude you know the whole i love fucking jails yeah they're the worst man i hate teller it gives me so much anxiety the worst is when you're in the shoe when you're in the hole when anytime you got to do 20 23 and one that's the worst when you're to sell by yourself for 23 hours a day and they give you one hour to shower make one phone call and stand out and a gated sun kind of yeah it's called 23 and one it's maximum security some place they'll keep you 24 hours but in Tennessee they have to let you out how long are you in that type of like punishment or like I think I did six months and one was the
Starting point is 00:19:19 longest I did but I know dudes that live that way that's maximum security prison is the same way like anytime you go to a real maximum security prison and you don't there's no outside nothing they have like it depends on state and federal rules there's always some sort of a guideline in Tennessee they have to give you one hour out of your cell a day and three out three days of those weeks. This is how it used to be. Keep in mind, I hadn't been in trouble in forever. And you had three days they had to offer you the choice to go outside.
Starting point is 00:19:45 Okay. Does that make sense? And like, it was literally like a cage outside. Like if I put a cage adjacent to this building, just a little cage, like, you know, six by eight feet, but it was just outside of a building. Then you just go stand in your little cage outside the building. And those are the worst days. I don't care. Anything else, you know. Those are the days where you really think about life.
Starting point is 00:20:06 I read a bunch. Yeah, I read a bunch. They were, and when you're in the hole, you're allowed to have religious material. So I got a Bible and I got a Quran and I just read. You read a lot of the Bible? I'm completely self-educated. I never finished the eighth grade.
Starting point is 00:20:21 Did you read like a lot of the Bible? I read the whole Bible, cover to cover. Wow. Did you have any other books or was it? Dude, I've done a thousand podcasts and nobody's ever asked me the shit y'all are asking me, Bubba. And I mean, I know y'all are good, but just for what it's worth. I mean, I do this.
Starting point is 00:20:34 what did you get out of every like religion and like did you stick with like one religion? Yeah, you know, I'm a believer for sure. I'm a Christian. I had a whole thing go viral so I won't get back in trouble with it. But look it up. I did with Schultz where I talked about how I feel about the church now. Got me in a little trouble. But it's a, you know, I still believe in God.
Starting point is 00:20:55 I still have a real anchored faith. I believe the church's approach is a little off today as far as like, you know, they're not portraying Jesus the way I know him to be historically. How so? I just think Jesus was a little more gangster. I mean, he guys wine and shit. You know,
Starting point is 00:21:10 that was his first miracle in the Bible, right? What? Turning water into wine. That was the first, that was, I mean, and it's like, it's little things like that
Starting point is 00:21:16 that I get into arguments with, with theologists about is like, when you, wait, how was his first miracle? That was the first miracle documented in the Bible.
Starting point is 00:21:25 I'm sure it wasn't his first miracle. I'm going to impress everyone. I'm going to fucking turn water into fucking wine. It's actually even cooler. His mother came to him and asked him for the favor. To some degree,
Starting point is 00:21:34 there's, argument about the scripture, but it was a wedding reception is the way I interpreted it. This is where every pastor on earth takes this clip and dissects whatever word. I say, I'm just sitting here fucking high talking about God. But it's like, and from my reading and understanding of the theology is that it was a wedding reception, his mother comes to him and goes, I need a favor. Can you turn this? Yeah, can you turn this water into wine?
Starting point is 00:21:58 And he goes, woman, it's not my time. I think that was the exact quote in one of the scriptures. woman it's not my time and to some degree my ad lib is she was like please and he was like okay you know what I'm saying it's like so listen there's layers to this story right let's peel it apart and how this shows you how cool Jesus is on the front end one he'd been doing cool shit and nobody knew it because why would she come randomly ask him to turn water and the wine she doesn't see him revive a squirrel something's happened she's seen him there's something there's she knows there's something different with this dude yeah she knows this mary is aware of this
Starting point is 00:22:33 enough to come to him, which is very telling. And then she goes, you know, hey, hook me up and that he immediately is kind of stern with her. Like, no. I'm not flexing her now. Like, you're tripping. Like, it's not time for that right now. Yeah. And then the human side of Jesus comes out.
Starting point is 00:22:50 Because it's his mother. Come on, man. It's like mama leaning on you a little bit. Come on, boy. All right. You know what I mean? Yeah. That's, to me, that was the first miracle. I think it was in a pretty sure some Mark. I hadn't read the Bible. Long time, to be honest, but...
Starting point is 00:23:05 When you break it down like that, I mean, that's a fucking beauty movie. Well, I break it down like that and people understand it. And then some fucking mega church pastor will crucify me on TikTok next week about... And I'm like, and my whole argument is like, yo, I'm telling a story that these dudes didn't even really know, but kind of new. Yeah. And I'm giving people that otherwise have never thought of that story, a different perspective of it.
Starting point is 00:23:24 Like, I thought the church would be like super proud of what I'm doing. Yeah, shame me like, oh, you're cussing in the middle of it. Your words mean nothing with your curses. I was like, God, we use the most unlike. likely messenger. I didn't realize how much of a beauty move that was.
Starting point is 00:23:37 The wedding must have just been completely dry out of wine. The party was flopping. Let's have fun with this for a minute. The parties, do you know how down the party's got to be? For the mother to come to you and be like, look.
Starting point is 00:23:48 I mean, if you run out of alcohol at a wedding, that's a fucking serious problem. But you've got this thing's going south. Yeah. They're fin to argue. I'm watching the groomed wife to argue. This is our last chance.
Starting point is 00:23:59 You know what I'm saying? That's how I perceive it when I'm reading. Yeah, it's like you save the party. dude it's like i was the first thing he ever did so you just can't convince me that you do he flipped over tables and temples and told him quit making a merchant of my father's house Jesus did a lot of gangster stuff churches that's all i said yeah i would agree church is like i had to go to church like my mom made me go when i was younger every single sunday i used to hate it because it was just like it was so boring you know what i mean but i still believe in god but yeah i think like that you're
Starting point is 00:24:27 right the church and just like the way you have to worship god and the way they tell you to worship God is just like it feels yeah outdated I'm too much of a free thinker especially in this era for us to think there's only one way to do it that's what I was going to say you know what I mean that's kind of my thing at any time at any time anyway yeah it's like even they're like used too many cuss words I was like we don't even
Starting point is 00:24:46 know what cuss words were back then right but you also you did it different because you have your own interpretation because you're not going to church you just have the Bible and you're in jail in a cell so you're making your own version yeah that's real yeah I was just reading the word I was like oh this is a cool story yeah there's a lot of crazy stories in the Bible
Starting point is 00:25:02 man. I learned a lot from the Bible. What's another cool one? Because I didn't fucking know that. Um, and I took religion until grade 12. Yeah. No, dude, that was dude. We talked about, uh, always talk about when Jesus was protecting the town whore. And he was, he was doodling in the sand and all the Pharisees came to him and said, you got to do something to this woman. And that's when the famous phrase removed the log from your own eye before you worry about the speck and mind came from. You ever heard that? So there's a famous phrase in the Bible that says, uh, remove the, remove the log. There's so many interpretation of the Bible, obviously, that says remove the log from your
Starting point is 00:25:34 eye before you worry about the speck and mine. Okay. So it's saying, you're over here worried about what's happening with me, and you got a lot of stuff going on with you. And that's when they came to him about the town who, he's doodling in the sand. And that's what the scripture pretty much says. He was just like drawing, like, just like if you had a stick fucking off in the sand. And these Pharisees are standing over them.
Starting point is 00:25:56 Like, what are you going to do about this woman? And he was like, you're telling me none of y'all never sand? And they were like, well, that's different. And he's like, there's nothing different. Why was it Jesus' job to do something about the town horror? Well, they were coming to him about, like, trying to find the flaws in his scripture and his philosophy. Keep in mind, he's running around telling everybody, I'm the son of man, I'm here to change the world. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:26:20 Like, I am here, you know, like, I'm God in flesh form. Like, it was a wild concept. Like, that type, just that whole era, if you think about, like, the insanity of this guy coming around and being like, I'm telling you, I'm the son of God. And then, you know, like, my mother was a virgin. She never slept with my father. You know, like, if that's your story, you're anchoring it around and you're testing all these principles. So all these guys who knew all the scriptures would try to come to them and go, what about
Starting point is 00:26:46 this? What about this? Well, what would you do in this situation? You know, they were just kind of leaning on them. It's an interesting thing, man. It's a really cool. Did you have any other things that, like, fascinated you or you read while you were in there? Yeah, I mean, dude, I learned a lot from, like, stuff.
Starting point is 00:27:02 studying a little bit of Buddhism. I read the Quran. Totally get it. I understand those principles. I respect Muslims so much, huh? How did you like the Quran? I loved it. Yeah, I loved it.
Starting point is 00:27:11 It's actually more of a fluid read than the Bible, as far as like being able to read the Bible so all over the place and just so the Quran really sticks to a storyline all the way through where the Bible kind of runs all off, everything. But I knew a lot of Muslim dudes in jail, so I understood the concept of their religion, and I just loved it. by and large and this is this is why i do talk about god openly i believe i've learned more from like especially in jail if there was some sort of a religious factor or gang factor weirdly
Starting point is 00:27:44 enough you could always there was more peace in the unit you know what i mean like muslims move especially in prison very together you know what i mean and they they're very they don't take no they're no nonsense but they're very respectful and their religion's not hateful at all we got a completely disoriented view of like we do Christianity where the weird megachurch pastor that talks down on me is you know the guy that we judge is like the basic Christian where I think most Christians are more like me anyways same thing with Muslims like every Muslim I ever met was awesome yeah yeah never never felt threatened by one I have a question do you ever get like messed with in jail like I know there's probably a lot of guys in there like man I'm fat I've been getting
Starting point is 00:28:23 messed with my whole life selim and every corner every crevice man I had to fight every week Dude, I kind of feel like you could get along with any crew, though, in there. Yeah, yeah, for sure. But I also, it's jail. You're going to fight. That's just a big part of it. Dude, I boxed when I was in the juvenile justice system. They had a boxing coach in there.
Starting point is 00:28:39 I mean, we fought fought fought, fought. Like, we fought our whole lives. I just quit fighting as I've gotten older. Even when I first met my wife, I was still, like, would get in a bar fight all the time. Like, it took years to conquer that anger. I was an angry little insecure, and then I was overweight, so it just made it. it even easier for people to fuck with me. So it just made me more aggressive, you know?
Starting point is 00:29:01 And it's like I just, like, the work I'm the most proud of on myself and my life change is probably like my ability to be unbothered now. You know what I mean? Like you'd have to spit on my kid or something for me to like want to get physical with you. At this point, Brantley Gilbert's a good friend of mine is a country music artist. And he says it best, he said at this point, if you get me mad enough to fight you, I just assume shoot you.
Starting point is 00:29:23 If you get me that fucking mad, you know what I'm saying? Like if I'm mad enough to get physical, you probably did something. and make me mad enough to shoot you. So what? You had a big bar fight career, too? Well, we were just young and on tour. So we would like, I don't know, it's like, you know, like we were playing all those bar shows.
Starting point is 00:29:41 I used to do 200 shows a year, like a rock and roll band. We'd open up for everybody. So you get bar fights, you know, every tour at least. 100%. Where did the most bar fights go down, like Nashville? No, no, no, no, no. I mean, we'd fight at home, but not much. You don't shit where you sleep.
Starting point is 00:29:56 But there's always random. when you're just out of town and it's just you know how this shit is especially when you're torn just like seven or eight of us living in a six of us living in a 95 conversion van you know what I mean? We're doing $50 shows and some guy in Wyoming doesn't pay you
Starting point is 00:30:13 so you try to steal his TV off the wall of his 200 person bar and his boys pull up and you all got tussles you know what I'm saying just that kind of old tour poor just trying to figure it out sleeping in the van shit What do you think of some of your favorite? Like what was the best about those days because that's when you're like doing those 50 dollar shows oh dude the
Starting point is 00:30:33 freedom yeah yeah because y'all know this because y'all seen it too is that we're blessed that you know i never wanted money i just wanted freedom and then you get to a point where you become so successful you actually give up a little bit of your freedom in exchange for your success because your schedule is you know your schedule is now you're now you're now a slave to your calendar but back then it was true freedom you didn't say chase the cool and not the not the money right I've seen a quote that you said. When did you start, like, saying that quote? Oh, dude, Chase the cool, not the money.
Starting point is 00:31:02 Always. Man, I've always believed that you just look for like, even back then, we were just looking for the coolest tour. It didn't matter if it was 300 people that's like, dude, you got a chance to go out with the insane clown posse or twisted. I'm like, we're in more, right? Yeah, you're like, I'm in. That sounds cool.
Starting point is 00:31:15 You know what I mean? Like, dude, example. Kyle text me, I don't want to date this podcast. So I'm going to say two days ago, a day ago, 20-some hours ago. Yeah. And said, hey, I'm in Miami from now until these dates and this date. date or he said these are the dates I'm here just come whenever
Starting point is 00:31:29 40-something hours later I'm sitting here talking to y'all you know what I mean like because you know what this is fucking cool you know what I mean like this isn't about no money cost me money to come down here right but it's like I wouldn't even go wait for y'all to come to me I was like no I'm gonna catch Kyle why he wants to talk to me you know what I'm saying like this is a fucking I think this podcast
Starting point is 00:31:47 is cool as fuck I've watched I'd say 80% of y'all's episodes you know what I mean like for real like I actually watch the pod so it's like I'm like I always chase the cool not the money because I've learned that money will follow whatever whatever the cool thing is it's happening you know what I mean money and money also is like it's easy to say when you got it but I would have I'd have done this shit for free and I proved that because I've got 15 years that I did it for free it's not like I'm saying so I'm like it's easy to say you know that you got money it's like what are you talking about I could show you the 15 years where I did it for
Starting point is 00:32:18 free you completely free it's like those $50 shows we were breaking even do I didn't have a house at home when I go back to and that's why I still slept in the When you're in those, like, smaller moments, too, I know I can relate, too. It's like, you look back and you didn't even really know what you were, like, on at the time, too. Like, it's just such a blur. For sure. But, yeah, I think that's one thing. People are always trying to, like, get to where they're at.
Starting point is 00:32:40 And they're not enjoying that grind, that struggle to get there, right? Yeah. You always got to enjoy it. Even now, we probably have, like, bigger goals that we want to achieve. But, like, we're not appreciating where we are right now, too, you know. I took a practice going into 23 that I'm a career through 24 was. presence because i found myself having these mega moments and not in them because i was thinking about the next mega moment and i was like or my phone and i was like i'm detaching like when i walk
Starting point is 00:33:05 into stuff now i'm there whatever i'm doing that's all that matters i'm 100% in that particular moment i'm thinking like next next next yeah it's like i don't even like all that matters in life to me right now is that i'm fucking sitting here with nilk on the fucking full sim podcast talking to y'all it's always gonna have bigger and bigger goals too like you look back at old times you're like that was so awesome that was so awesome but like you got to appreciate that's what i'm trying to do a lot more too is like appreciate the moment especially the first especially the first because i was just sitting here thinking like just from us talking like and me willing this into my world is like i think we're all going to be friends forever now 100% like i think we'll be boys forever and i think
Starting point is 00:33:42 i'll come back and do this podcast again in 10 months with my album drops or whatever whenever i call you all for a favor and go yo the album's coming out of help me a bone but we'll never do it the first time again no this is it you know what i mean like i'm conscious of that. Like, that's why I'm so giddy about being here. And I'm not afraid to embrace that excitement. Like, I did New Year's Eve, Dick Clark. It was, I've been watching the ball drop my whole life, right?
Starting point is 00:34:05 So I go and I got this thing I do when I'm overly excited where I hug people too hard or I pick them up. And I don't mean to. It's just, I'm like a big yogi bear. You know what I'm saying? I'm just a big touchy kind of guy anyways, you know? And I picked up Ryan Seacrest. And I'll show you the video and I pick up Ryan Seacrest and I'm kind of shaking them around
Starting point is 00:34:23 because I'm just so excited. And my wife was like, you did that thing. And I was like, no, I didn't. She was like, you picked up Brian Seagrest. I was like, oh. Because sometimes I'll get so excited. I'll be like loud, like the CMA speech. That's me when I'm excited.
Starting point is 00:34:37 You know what I mean? Like, I'm like that in our living room. My wife is like, yeah, you were just doing what you do at the kitchen table when you start really getting somebody starts fucking with your gas and you up, you know? Because I'm excited. And I don't think I'm too cool to be excited. You people can feel your authenticity, right? Like you can just tell you're an authentic guy.
Starting point is 00:34:52 You are who you are. that's why people love you right yeah for sure so i feel like you could get away that makes you be able to get away with shit too you know what i mean just like yo we can get mad at dr jelly yeah right i love this dr jelly thing by the way no he's definitely a doctor who would you say is uh was your biggest inspirations like growing up uh firm music and stuff oh dude this would be fun to talk about so three six mafia is on the short list you know what i mean i had them on tour this year which was insane but um a lot of local rap to
Starting point is 00:35:21 Quanty Cash, haystack, pistol, top dollar, a lot of local stuff. But UGK, 8 ball and MJG on the hip-hop side, anything, anything Ghetto Boys, you know, that whole era. I don't know if y'all are familiar. You know, y'all never listen to Southern Rap? This is fun. I didn't know one of the, bro, real quick, my mind playing tricks on me is one of the best songs of all time. Yes, let's fucking go. Yes, dope.
Starting point is 00:35:45 Are you familiar with any of these Southern rappers? No. Yo, so are y'all familiar with it? I think I've heard about it. I know Ghetto boys, UDK, fucking, obviously, three, six, mafia. Yeah. I know you did hard out here for a pimp, which is gangster. I did that at Bonarroo.
Starting point is 00:35:57 Yeah, it was really cool, man. They, um, yeah, I grew up on, like, super southern rap, and, of course, like 70s music, uh, Jim Crocee, James Taylor. My sister introduced me to, like, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, the whole 90s grunge era. She brought me up into that. My brother turned me on all the hip-hop. My mother listened to country. Real outlaw country, though, like Waylon and Willie. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:36:17 Like, Waylon, Jennings, Willie Nelson, Merrill Hagger. 90s music you said? Yeah, 90s, too. A lot of country, a lot of 90, for sure. Yeah, Tupac. How important is it to be like, because I see all the time people like, you know, that's not. 90s country, too, my fault.
Starting point is 00:36:30 Just like Tracy Lawrence, George Strait, Garth Brooks. My mother, man, Garth Brooks, dude, I could probably sing more Garth Brooks songs and Garth Brooks, can. He's performing in Vegas. Yeah, I went to see a show. In Vegas? Yeah, I'm that big. I'm telling you, dude, I'm not too cool to be a fan, dude.
Starting point is 00:36:43 I'll pop up to a show, dog. I'm telling you. No, I was going to say, how important is it to be, like, like people always compare like yo that's not real country this is real country who defines which what's real and what's not you know man I'm just
Starting point is 00:36:58 I don't know it's um I got in trouble recently because I had a quote where I was jokingly said how much more country could I be should I fuck a goat and it's like and I got in so much trouble I'm going to double down on this podcast about it but it's like I don't I think the country there's two different things one there's being country
Starting point is 00:37:16 and being country music right is like because even country music as far as time has been wasn't always just super country rednecks. You know what I mean? It's like country music's always had a wide stroke. Like Wayland Jennings and Willie Nelson wasn't singing about fishing or hunting. You know what I
Starting point is 00:37:31 mean? And they were as authentically country as you could be. To me, country music is three chords in the truth. And I know in my soul that what I do is write three chords in the truth. I know if I don't write nothing else, I write the truth. You know what I mean? And I know I'm from Nashville and I know that y'all don't
Starting point is 00:37:47 know me from the man on the moon, but I'm sure just based on my dialect alone, you probably think of, you would assume I'm country. So it's like, I tell people, country's relative. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:37:57 If you grew up in southern Alabama, and I grew up in the metropolis of Nashville, Tennessee, and you grew up outside of Montgomery, you might look at me a city country. You know what I mean? But meanwhile, if I go to New York City,
Starting point is 00:38:10 like I just did, I mean, I was the fucking, I was like a hillbilly compared to every other artist on Dick Clark's show. You know what I mean? Like, I was clearly country. music. I was so country that I got lit up on
Starting point is 00:38:21 Twitter for the first time. A whole new audience found me. It was like, who the fuck is this redneck rapping at fucking New Year's Eve? I trained it for like five minutes. It was so bad. It was just, you know, but it's like that's how somebody sitting at their house and you know, New Jersey felt, right?
Starting point is 00:38:38 Or wherever, whatever metropolis they were coming from or some, even somebody from the outskirts of town, just like, yo, who is this hillbilly rapping on Dick Clark's New Year's Eve? Because I'm up there with Sabrina Carpenter and, you know, fucking T. Paine or something, you know what I mean? So, but to me, being
Starting point is 00:38:52 country... It's funny a picture you like walking down the street in New York City a little bit. Yeah, right? Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, you'll see how country I am in that setting. I did the jingle balls this year. It's like me, One Republic, Sabrina Carpenter, Olivia Rodrigo. It's one of those shows. Everybody
Starting point is 00:39:08 does 20 minutes. And it's like, you know, I'm out there singing rap covers, but I'm, you know, it sounds like Billy Ray Cyrus is singing them to some of those kids, you know? all I seen was tweets like I hate country music but I love jelly roll and I was like that's you know but you'd never know that so the country thing is I long answer Bubba because I've been wanting to talk about this is to me it's just what my spirit is country music the fact that I had a big song on pop radio and some rock radio hits is cool but my spirit my heart is you know you come to Nashville I told Kyle we'll do country shit yeah you know we'll definitely dip off fishing for catfish that's pretty country right yeah yeah for sure noodling or hambe hillbilly hand fishing? What's that?
Starting point is 00:39:52 So there's a woman you should look her up. Are you any of that kind of stuff? We'll come out there for an elk video and just fuck her on. Yeah, we'll take you to Hannah Barron then. Hannah Barron is like she's famous on Instagram. Check her out. She, she noodles. That's what she does on season.
Starting point is 00:40:05 You're talking about that? She's crazy, man. So what is it? Where you put your arm down in the hole, right? And it's where the catfish are and the catfish will bite your arm. Because they're big. Yeah, they're, they're, they're, they're, They're 50, 60 pounds.
Starting point is 00:40:19 They're huge. And you'll grab it and bring out, they're 100 pounds. They're huge, huge. And you'll bring out the whole catfish on your arm. But your arm is the hook. Your arm is the bait. Does it hurt when they bite you?
Starting point is 00:40:30 Yeah, you feel it for sure. It's a fucking very aggressive, very heavy fucking fish biting. You know, you feel it, but it's not bad, bad. You can't lose your arm. No, no,
Starting point is 00:40:39 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, for sure. And Hanel show us out there, dude. She's the first famous one on Earth for. Maybe we just start with some fishing rods, though, before we get to go fish. We could, now, we can just come to Tennessee. We'll go ride four-wheelers and fish. That's whatever.
Starting point is 00:40:51 Yeah, that's more our speed, I think. Yeah, my uncle's had a farm since I was a kid. It's where I shot my first gun. Let's go out there and dick off. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. That was my sales pitch to Cal initially. Yeah, he said come out to Tennessee.
Starting point is 00:41:02 Dude, I was, like, yo, I was like, well, do some shit, dog. I was on the farm that day. I walk on the farm every day as part of my Gary Brecker plan. I'm on my health shit right now. Yeah. And every day I walk the farm. And that's when I hit him because that's when I do my thinking. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:41:16 hit me in that moment. I was like, yo, I'm out here now, I was like, we'll catch some shit on fire. Let's go. Let's do that for a knelt video.
Starting point is 00:41:21 We'll come out and we'll film it for the Nelk channel. Don't it'll be a fucking ball. We'll go crazy. For the Nelk channel, we'll do it double down. We'll go real stupid. It'll be dope.
Starting point is 00:41:31 When did you decide to get on the health shit? Did we talk about that? No, no. We were going to talk about it off camera. I was like, we should talk about this on. I messaged Gary shortly after my CMA speech went viral.
Starting point is 00:41:44 And I just cold hit him. And just like I did you You know, like I said, I'm a fan I hit him, I was like, yo, look And I was joking, but I was real I was like, do y'all work with fat people too? I hadn't seen nobody lose like real weight You know, he's like, dude, whatever, we're huge fans
Starting point is 00:41:57 He's like, him and his wife Sage Sage hit me up first and was like, Yo, hit me, let's do it And he just instantly was in And how God works is like They were like, well, we need to get blood And I was like, I don't know when I'll be in Miami next And then I looked at my calendar
Starting point is 00:42:11 You won't believe this, I'll be having Fort Lauderdale Sunday I was headlining Rip Tad Fest and they were like oh we'll come up there and do your blood and she came up they did my blood that day and uh i met with gary right i was going to come to the ufc and i was going to meet you all there too but i didn't get to make it um the covington fight oh shit i was in miami right no it was in it was in Vegas it was just the last one a month ago i was coming coming i was coming from l-a and gary flew with me from l-a to Vegas because i was doing nfr with lany wilson that weekend and vegas because nfr was the same weekend as the coby coventon thing in the rodeo
Starting point is 00:42:43 Yeah, yeah. And me and Laney Wilson were going to link up, and I was sick, and I felt like it was COVID. So I just went home, and it was. I ended up getting real sick. But, yeah, right then, Gary went over my labs, and I woke up the next day and cut sugars, cut processed foods completely out of my life, been supplementing, you know, been on my Gary breakfast, shit, dog. What about exercise? Working, walking every day. That's all I'm doing right now is walking.
Starting point is 00:43:05 It's all I have time to do, but it's my anchor. I wake up in the morning, seven days a week, and I go walk. What's been, like, the hardest thing for you are the biggest change? Food. I've had a horrible relationship with food my whole life. It's the one drug I've never got rid of. It's the one addiction that still really haunts me deeply. It's hard, bro. And it's rooted in. I had to get ready
Starting point is 00:43:24 to do this with Gary, too. One, mentally, but two, I had to do a lot of work last year in therapy to really figure out what I was hungry for. You know what I mean? Like what I was looking for and kind of dealing with my life and being very open to dealing, you know, going back into that and figuring out the trauma that did it to get me prepared.
Starting point is 00:43:40 but the like sugar craving and the idea of like I'm sure you know this y'all travel a ton too you know I'm still traveling 300 days a year right when you travel too yeah it's hard and it's like I'm eating nothing but plants and proteins as Gary suggests and it's like man that's hard to find believe it or not you cut greens yeah I cut all right no bread no I'll do I'll do rice if it's organic but no bread at all for sure no bread nothing processed no tortillas no raps you just did a good hot sauce bro you put yeah no but yeah food Food's not bothering, but like the accessibility of plants and proteins, believe it or not, that are not wedged between bread, that are not stuck between a rap or a fucking casadilla.
Starting point is 00:44:21 You know what I'm saying? It's like, it's different, dude. That's the biggest struggle because I cut grains for a bit, for 60 days too. And yeah, when you're in the airport, or if you're hungry, you're like, there's nothing to really eat, you know what I mean? But I've done, I've done it everywhere. I just got to plan, like, super ahead. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:36 So I just actually, like, know where I'm going, like, I had food waiting at the studio for me before I came here I got food waiting in the car on the way to the air like I'm just very diligent about it now I'm taking it serious but a lot of it too's just been a lot of supplement my hormones were dissolved you know what I mean and you know what Gary does he gets in there starts really you know he gets in there and gets on his biologist shit yeah so he really made me understand and I feel good I feel better than I've ever felt what's your like three four weeks in and no sugar and I feel incredible what's your goal with it is it to like lose a certain amount of weight or just feel better I'm losing weight but it's just feeling better man just when you know I just
Starting point is 00:45:09 want to feel normal. I just, I had a realization this year, Kyle, that I have somehow been blessed to be in this position to help people and change my life and my family's life. And I have done it in spite of carrying multiple humans on my shoulders. You know what I mean? Like, I'm just tired of being tired. You know, it has nothing to do with vanity. It has nothing to do with how I look. It has nothing to do with any, it just really is genuinely like, I just want to feel good. Yeah. Like, you don't have energy. Yeah, I just like, I'm listening to the Gary Brecker stuff. I listen to y'all's part since I've been on y'all's shit. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:45:42 And I'm hearing Cal talk about how different he feels. And I'm hearing people talk about feeling good. And I'm like, fuck, I've never felt good. You know what I'm saying? Like, I only, you know what I mean? Like, I couldn't even imagine. Gary looked at my blood work and was like, dog, I can't imagine what you're going to be like when you can actually think. He's like, because your blood work tells me you can't think.
Starting point is 00:46:03 It tells me that you were in a fog. You know what I mean? He's like, man, you're going to be a different dude in 12 weeks. I'm four or five weeks in and I already feel fucking great. Are you getting like a cold tub or the sauna or anything like that? I've been doing cold showers. I'm getting a cold tub, but I've been doing a cold shower. I've got to ease myself in, man.
Starting point is 00:46:19 Those things are brutal, dude. Yeah, they are. And it seems easy. Like, I'm just going to sit in cold water for three minutes. You're like, fuck. You feel like you can't breathe. Yeah. Is I'm the only one that thinks I'm dying?
Starting point is 00:46:30 It's hard after. For me, it feels like I can't breathe. It's hard after a fucking night of drinking. It's 10 times harder. But it's such a good hangover cure. Does it really help? Oh, yeah. If you do like cold tub, hot tub, hot tub, cold tub, cold tub,
Starting point is 00:46:45 it's like the best thing you could do for a hangover. That's like what I need after a hangover now because I can't deal with the hangovers the way I used to when I was like 21 or some shit. I'm 29 now. Yeah. So now it's like, bro, one night of fucking big sand is like. I was watching the Gronk pod and he was talking about that. When he was saying it, I was like, man, I, dude, I mean, I've always got violent hangovers,
Starting point is 00:47:09 but now they're like two-dayers. It's fucked. Yeah. I just can't do it anymore. I can't drink like once every two weeks now almost. And I got to like make sure the next day's wide open. I got to not be ready. Not doing shit.
Starting point is 00:47:22 You know, I got to prepare my hangovers now. You know what I mean? Where I used to love just my favorite drunk for the random ones. I don't get those as much no more. You know what I mean? That's still my favorite mushroom trip or acid trip. Is what? The random one?
Starting point is 00:47:35 Oh, yeah. Like when just the home, like how Salim didn't plan on fucking getting super high before the pie? and then I show it with a rig, and he's like, fuck it, we're getting high. Those are the best highs. Like, that's the best mushroom trip.
Starting point is 00:47:45 When you're sitting with a home and he's like, what are you doing today? You're like, man, I kind of ain't doing nothing that day. But I'm finally off, and he's like, we should take mushrooms.
Starting point is 00:47:51 I have some. And you're like, I'm in. Yeah. That's awesome. That's the best mushroom trip. What, what, like, era did you go through
Starting point is 00:47:57 like a super, like, party phase? Like, a what ages? Man, 24 until a year ago. Yeah, from 13 to 38. Yeah. Just slowed down last year. I got off cocaine is what changed it from me. I realized that I love drinking,
Starting point is 00:48:15 but I love doing cocaine more than drinking, and I would drink just to do cocaine. There's times when it's like peanut butter and jelly, right? For sure. But sometimes you just got to have a peanut butter sandwich. You don't need the jelly. Yeah, but no two drugs go together better. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:48:30 And what really got me was I just, I guess, honestly, the fentanyl epidemic. Did you have like a moment where you're like, I got to stop or like well I had came off of coating and pills and that was hard when I first got with my wife I was like really really strung out and when I sobered really got off that and dealt with it and got into the program and really started understanding sobriety I started getting back into alcohol and then eventually cocaine as it always leads and then I got off coke and I'll still have a drink and I'm more I manage it better today than I've ever managed it but I do so much for sober living and for the sobriety and for the recovery community that there's a misconception that I am sober and I'm not but I I I am totally anti-drugs yeah in this era of my life I'm against all drugs except for I don't consider mushroom a drug well what if you don't mind me asking like what was your day like when you're like doing like all those types of
Starting point is 00:49:30 drugs like would you wake up and just like do a pill like right in the morning yeah I mean I'd wake up and take like a pain pill or something like that like a pergocet or some and i you know hide behind i have a hangover so it'd be a reason to take a percisset and by two or three that afternoon but whatever time i you know the within the next two hours i'd be sipping serve i'd be for sure pouring code in and a sprite like 100% of the time and then later that day my heart beat so slow but i'd do some coke something to try to balance you know i was just constantly trying to balance the equation i was living in a constant state and by the end of the night you're taking a xanax because you can't come down
Starting point is 00:50:04 because you've done too much blow now you know what I mean it's like oh my heart's going too fast now and I can't drink codeine or when I look back at the drugs I were doing together they were supposed to interact in a way that it should have killed me
Starting point is 00:50:14 forever ago you know whenever my wife was my wife parted she did blow and drank heavy but I mean we first got together and she was like you gotta get to fuck off that codeine like especially now too
Starting point is 00:50:26 I don't know if it's just because we're older but yeah drugs are just fucking they're everywhere bro like you can't like it's fucking everywhere you got to really have self-control and like you got to kind of you got to know what you want when you like go out now no for like there's not a time i go i don't go out that i don't see fucking cocaine now like it's fucking somebody it's fucking everywhere no it's everywhere at the time
Starting point is 00:50:47 it's the most dangerous but i think it's because we're older too but i was always the guy with it you know i was a guy that blocked off bathrooms you know what i mean like we just took over bathrooms and establishments like fucking a bunch of you know what i mean like the urnals wide open and you're just waiting for the handicaps though yeah yeah literally people are just like fuck here goes these guys you know we're just coming to rail out bathrooms but did you get caught a lot like doing blow yeah we did it publicly I always believe
Starting point is 00:51:10 the cocaine was for the lip yes whenever wherever listen people wouldn't care you've been around me enough now to see my personality imagine this personality I can agree with that you know what I'm saying just imagine me on a fifth of crown royal and an eight ball
Starting point is 00:51:25 you know what do you look like at that point because you don't seem like an aggressive dude anymore at least oh I was so even then I'm still to this day I know y'all have drank with everybody my word is we will make a memory yeah I promise you I go dark
Starting point is 00:51:41 it is my shit and I'm happy I'm a big happy lovable drunk I'm just it just intensifies who I am back then I wasn't a good I'm a real like man thank you for this actually I've changed who I am as a human I always believe that
Starting point is 00:51:56 two things I believe money doesn't create character it reveals it same thing I believe about alcohol Alcohol doesn't create character It reveals character You know what I mean? When I was a bad human I drank a lot
Starting point is 00:52:07 And became a worse human You know what I mean Like as my heart softened up When I drink now I just want to love people I just want to hug on you And ask you how you're doing I become a big brother You know what I'm saying
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Starting point is 00:52:47 Let's get back into the podcast. You talked about the money. What did change for you, though? Because you talked about it reveals your character. Like, do you ever feel like at one point you were becoming something you didn't want to be? because it took you, like you said, you grinded for 15 years. Yeah, but lucky for me, none of it before success. I tell people I don't think God blessed me a day before he knew I was ready for it.
Starting point is 00:53:11 I think that if he had gave me this money when I was, that's why I'm proud of watching y'all grow. If he gave me y'all's money at y'all's age, I was dad. I got myself killed. Somebody would have shot me or I'd overdosed. I just had no perimeter. I had no understanding of more. I had no moral compass. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:53:29 I had no vision. It's like, God, I think a lot of this was God just kind of letting me tinker around and figure out, you know. I think that's why my philanthropy is so big, too, is that I just, you know, I took all that money and burned it and spent it on fucking cocaine and strippers. You know what I mean? And it's like, now it's like I just take all this money and give it away as much as I can. You know what I mean? It's just different. Well, dude, when you're doing it for so long and you're happy doing it without the money and then it finally comes, it's just like icing on the cake kind of, right?
Starting point is 00:53:58 Brother, I was getting 50 bucks or $500 or now $500,000 or whatever, for a show. Yeah. It was like, it was just the idea that when I was there, it was 100% chance I wasn't going to jail for selling drugs. Yeah. It was 100% chance I wasn't going to get killed. It was 100% chance that I wasn't going to get arrested or brought up on a federal charge or, you know what I mean? Like, that's what this dream always signified to me. It was never really about the money.
Starting point is 00:54:24 It was just about like the fact that I'm here, I'm connecting with people. I'm serving a purpose. I'm helping people. And I'm not risking my freedom today. How does it hit you when you walk out to a stadium with fucking 25, 30,000 people now? I cry every night, on stage, every night. Like, I cry all the time. I mean, I cry like a bitch, like a lot.
Starting point is 00:54:47 But I try to explain it to people where I'm from. Like when you really actually come from that far down and fight those kind of addictions in life and carry this kind of fucking, wait on me and carry you know you carry you go through all that stuff and in and out of jail and nobody did listen if there was a what do they call them things least likely or most likely in school what do they call them they have yeah most likely too most likely to run for president yeah but like I would have least likely to succeed by every merit of everybody who ever knew me ever
Starting point is 00:55:17 and every guy by yourself at that point yeah yeah yeah you know what I mean like like so when you do that and you go on to do this and then the music I make is helping people it's helping people it's like it's touching people Stani it's like it's not just something they're banging on the way to the club this is like introspective like they're playing me at funerals they're playing me in recovery houses across America like I'm helping people through this music
Starting point is 00:55:43 and I'm getting insane amounts of money for something I would do for free you know what I mean like it seems like a blessing from God yeah it's a God bless the dog it's like and so I get emotional I cry you walk out and look at 15,000 people and you're like dude there was a time i don't think you know there was a time i couldn't get a visitor and 15 000 people bought a ticket to see me in wyoming you know what i'm saying it's like that's my thought process is like you know what i'm saying like i sold 30 000 tickets in
Starting point is 00:56:13 washington you know at one show and you're looking like dude i couldn't there was a time in my life where i meant so little and i was such a bad human that i could not even get nobody to visit me like my dad would come see me once a month you know what I mean like I didn't have a friend that would come see me I didn't have a family member you know what I mean like I was that bad of a human you know what I'm saying that outside of my family like cousins and stuff there's all those emotions like that that's what comes out when you see 30,000 people like all those memories and stuff yeah well them too
Starting point is 00:56:43 because there's some lady in the front row that's holding a sign that goes man your music changed my life and she's crying just because I walked out on stage yeah and there's signs everywhere like a wrestling you know like Like a WWE, but there are the signs that say stuff like we played son of a center at my son's funeral with a picture of her son on this big, big poster. And I see it in Section 201. You know what I mean? Like, man, between that and where I came from, dude, the fact that we did this, I'm almost, I teared up over here telling y'all about tearing up. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:57:16 It's like, it's just even sitting here with y'all, dog, like, I don't know how I ended up on y'all's radar. I love to hear that, by the way. like I would have just even when y'all started this pod a couple years ago right it's been a couple years now right it's been like two years in a bit yeah so it's like even when y'all started this pod it's like I wouldn't have thought even then like the concept that I would get invited on the pod was absurd in my mind like as a guy watching I'm like that's a pop culture podcast like no way I've no way you know no way I do something to make it over there you know what I mean it's like you just keep having these kind of like landmark moments that are like man this is just
Starting point is 00:57:50 fucking all unreal to me did you have anybody I mean you talk about no one would visit you while you're locked up not even your family right did anybody actually believe in you the entire process man my father and my mother my father really did man the story i tell is i would go sit down with him at this bar called the tin roof is on the murray street it's a hell of a party bar still to this day you probably have we've been to ten roof yeah it's the spot my dad went there every day he was like the like the bar father you know what i mean like he would hang out in his booth and all the people that worked there would come holler at him and stuff and i went to go see him one day. And man, I was probably, I'm going to say, no bullshit, I'm going to say right around your age
Starting point is 00:58:32 now. I'm going to say 29. And I go, man, I'm over it, dude. I've done all I can do. I've pushed this thing as far as I can. I'm making like $38, 40, $40, $50,000 a year. And I'm spending it all just sleeping in the van and just chasing the next thing. It's cost me that much money to just stay alive and send money back to Bailey. I was like, I just feel like I'm failing as a father. And I'm just like spilling my problems on. My father's a man, a few words, polar opposite of me, gangster. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:59:03 Sitting there drinking his vodka. And when I'm done talking to him about it, he goes, all I'm going to say is, Jason, is that if you would have put this same energy into being a brain surgeon, you would probably be on your sixth or seventh year of college right now. Why would you let yourself get that close? to your dream and not get there and in his mind he didn't know nothing about the entertainment business he just looked at it like there's no way you're working as hard as I'm watching you work
Starting point is 00:59:29 and this thing doesn't pay off if you'd work this hard at Vanderbilt University you'd be fin to get a doctor's degree in the next two years why would you jump off now and that was the way he paralleled it to me because he was like that dude at Vanderbiltz not making no money neither but he's two years away from having a doctor's degree and I left there that day and I thought about that and it inspired me and it was like one of them many of times
Starting point is 00:59:51 he gave me talks like this but it's the one I remember the most you know what I mean of like putting an extra set of you've all been there where you just need a little little more wind than you're saying and there's that click just a little more you just need somebody just to just let you know that man what you're doing is funny Celine
Starting point is 01:00:05 fuck everybody it's gonna work it don't matter what scale it's working now I promise you you're funny your pranks are really good you know what I'm saying you feel me it's like that happened to you at some point I'm sure too right that somebody came in and was like you know, that shit's actually like, it could work. That was always my father.
Starting point is 01:00:22 My mother, my brother, sisters, my family, believe it or not, always was really, like, never once. They were always like, if anybody will figure it out, there'll probably be you. But they also knew I had the eye of a tiger. You know what I'm saying? You grew up in the household. They probably see something.
Starting point is 01:00:36 I didn't even see, you know. But I didn't have friends, I guess struggle. He's been my best friend for 20-something years. We've been making music together. We've been to jail together a few times. Had a couple cases. We came from the streets to the music together. He always believed I was going to.
Starting point is 01:00:49 he always believed it too yeah man that's i don't know your story's just fucking it's dope yeah you're kind of like a modern day like preacher like you're like i don't know you seem like an angel or something oh thank you baby but i mean just everything about you too it's so unique like even your look just doesn't make sense for to most country guys right right don't see anyone with your look yeah for sure so it's so unique and different yeah i think stein yeah it seems like you went through these trials to like now you've gotten through it now you can help so many people with based on what you've been through and what you've learned right that's all i's all i want to do cow i just want to help like i just want to be a i was um
Starting point is 01:01:25 i've been using this quote lately as i don't want to be happy anymore i want to be of service i think i can't remember who i think i heard shy la buff say it but it's like it was such a concept to me of like i'm even past the point of wanting to be happy anymore like i just want to be useful you know what i mean like i just want to be of service like i just want to make sure that i can I spent so many times tearing shit down and so many years being the part of the problem that now I just want to be as much a part of the solution as I can be
Starting point is 01:01:53 and I'm also conscious of it too because I know how this game works is that people are only going to care what I have to say for a certain amount of time and I want to make that time useful you know my acceptance speech most viral moment I ever had did y'all see it by chance?
Starting point is 01:02:08 I talk about the windshield being bigger than the rearview mirror and man I'm looking up at that clock and when you accept an award there's a there's a big screen TV out there that's like just like the run of show shit you know what I mean and I looked up at it right after I held the trophy up and it said 58 57 I was like oh I only got a minute I was like man and my first thought was like you better say something that matters that's what I'm telling myself like you got a minute boy you better say something that matters might be the only time you
Starting point is 01:02:38 ever get to stand up here might be the only award I ever went again it might be the last award I ever went you know what I mean I was like I got a minute here with the world might listen to what I got to say. I better say something to make a motherfucker feel good. You know what I'm saying? You know, I spent so many time behind the scene making people feel bad. It's like, I want to push, baby. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 01:02:54 That's the shit I'm on these days, man. Trying to be a happy dad, dude. I can't imagine how many people you've inspired. Boy, like, I don't know, just a lot of people, right? Yeah. I hope to do it again. When I drop this weight and get my shit straight, I hope to get a whole new group to you. That'll be crazy.
Starting point is 01:03:08 That'll be fucking. I told Gary Brickow was like, man, I got a chef Ian Lario's. He works with a bunch of UFC guys. He helped Belaw cut for the fight, the Coventon of fire. I know Belaw didn't fight, but, you know, Balaw waiting in that day in case he was the backup.
Starting point is 01:03:21 So he went to cut him. He came from George Lockhart's camp. He's moving in with me next week. So between him and Brecker, dude, I think, man, y'all are going to see a dude. I get back on the pie later, dog. It's going to be old skinny raw. Well, that's a blessing, too.
Starting point is 01:03:34 If you can have a chef that, because he's going to cook you taste the ass healthy. That's a fucking blessing. We have a chef, too. She's kind of more just like a grandma. Yeah. She's kind of a shitty cook, but, like, yeah. but like she's her energy
Starting point is 01:03:45 she's more here for her energy she's like our mom she's like a host mom yeah but it definitely helps that's a blessing so that's gonna be key for you 100% yeah you talk about all how much you love the rap game what about like today's rappers a collab you would ever do or you would like
Starting point is 01:04:01 a project you want to work on oh dude man I love everybody man I love NLE chopper we talked a little bit a big fan of his Kevin Gates joiner Lucas NBA young boy I listen to everything I listen to all the up and coming stuff I love Dirk
Starting point is 01:04:17 You know Derek and Morgan do so much stuff together though I don't know if I could get in over You an NBA would be fucking Yeah right I fuck with young boy man I've always liked his music I love his melodies I thought I think they're just so
Starting point is 01:04:28 So incredible I love that whole era though I love some of the new stuff that's happening I think people think People are giving hip hop a hard time right now What do you mean by that Well because you know it didn't have I don't think I had a number one album this year
Starting point is 01:04:40 I think Drake's might have one number one. But he's the goat. He's going to go. He's literally the goat. Is country like bigger than it's been? Country's biggest and coolest it's ever been right now. It's a really cool moment to be in country music.
Starting point is 01:04:54 I'm honored to be in the middle of the wave of what is country music writer. But Morgan Wallen is almost single-handedly doing that. Him and Zach Bryan to me are doing it by themselves. Yeah. You know, as far as I'm concerned, they brought the national spotlight to the rest of us. We're all just trying to get a little piece of that sunshine. they brought over here. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:05:12 But, Morgan's a superstar, but his music's just like really good. It's so good. Like his music's fucking fire. It's so good. His voice is so good. His songs are so good.
Starting point is 01:05:20 Morgan is a songwriter, dude. Yeah. He'll cut outside songs, but like his ear, his understanding, his songwriting, like he is,
Starting point is 01:05:29 he's a, he's more brilliant. The streams give him the credit he deserves, but critically he's more brilliant than he gets credit for. I agree. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:05:37 You know what I mean? He is truly brilliant, man. I've been in a room with him. he's special because to me all this boils down to songwriting like who can actually hold their weight like if we cleared this room out right now and I said I need two people to stand here and write a song with me or one person to stand here and write a song with me like that's when the rubber meets the road can we sit here and cook up something that actually matters you know what I mean
Starting point is 01:05:59 and you find out who brings what to what rooms when you do that Morgan's brilliant you know what mean, because I say this would love to my L.A. friends, but there's no harder town to cut your teeth in songwriting than Nashville. I've wrote in L.A., I've wrote with hip-hop dudes. I've wrote in New York. I've done all the writers' rooms, the pop rooms, the TV rooms. I'm a songwriter above everything. When I quit doing this, and we just all hang out and fish and get drunk together, and you're like, you should go do some shows, and I'm like, never, but I've been writing songs, listen to this one. I'll always write songs. Long after I quit performing, long after I quit doing all that other stuff, I'll write songs forever.
Starting point is 01:06:34 To me, that's the core of it. In Nashville, there's no place to write a song like that city, man. It's the best of the best. Just because everyone's there? Yeah, it's the fucking UFC of songwriting is the way to look at it. You know what I mean? Like, L.A. respectfully to me, I don't get me in trouble here. But yeah, to me, it's as big as a great songwriters in L.A., hit songwriters.
Starting point is 01:06:55 But Nashville's different. Everybody knows it. Do the songwriters in Nashville write for all genres or mostly just country? Or are they writing like pop shit, too? they'll write pop shit sometimes but they're normally just like for other artists and shit yeah they're normally just like country music yeah yeah it's really cool though man we're going there and write like I'll take a writing session with two other people and we'll go write a song for another artist yeah it's not even in the room yeah have you done that oh yeah what any songs that we would know
Starting point is 01:07:21 yeah we'll talk about off camp okay okay okay cool but do you decide I'm not I'm not my credits are out there anyway but I'm not like I don't want to take away yeah like after the song you're like this would be good for this artist or do you that beforehand. Both ways is the cool thing. Sometimes people start writing they'll have like a cheat sheet and a publisher will send and be like, hey, such and such is working on an album. Yeah. Or such and such is looking for a song
Starting point is 01:07:43 that feels like. And you'll take that cheat sheet and be like, let's Target, write this. But some days you just write one halfway through it, you're like, man, this would be really cool if such and such got on this. You know what I mean? You'll hear artists. Like I have my artist's friends that are singer-songwriters send me songs. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like
Starting point is 01:07:58 my boy Hardy. I don't know if y'all ever heard of him. He's the man, dude. He's fucking awesome, right? he sent me one the other day he's like I just can't not hear you on this let me know what you think about it like it's just how songwriters how we write you know what I'm really cool
Starting point is 01:08:10 would you say that like in this space everyone's pretty supportive of each other or it's still like everyone's competitive like I think everybody's really supportive of each other and I don't want to cut you up but I will say the one thing with country is it's unique because everyone's
Starting point is 01:08:22 in Nashville yeah like in every other everyone's spread out to the country everyone's in one spot no we're all there and country music has three major award shows a year
Starting point is 01:08:34 that actually matter like really matter like nationally televised big deals country music has you know tons of festivals more festivals than any other genre as far as just music festivals
Starting point is 01:08:46 so it's such a community that not only does everybody live there we're all doing the same media we're all at the same award shows like I know if I don't plan on seeing like Cody Johnson is a friend of mine I'm just like picking a country dude here
Starting point is 01:09:01 Cody Johnson comes in my first Cody Johnson or Riley Green We don't see each other much throughout the year We talk a lot We're all really good friends But we know that Whether we try to see each other We don't have to try to see each other
Starting point is 01:09:13 Seven times this year no matter what We'll see each other CMA week We're going to see each other CMFest We're going to see each other ACM week We're going to see each other CMT week You know what I mean We're going to see each other CRS week Like we know this
Starting point is 01:09:25 You know what I mean So we plan our parties around it It's a really cool thing When you see that in the community It's like the backstage at a country award show i'll tell listen we'll talk about after the grammies because i'll get to see one of the other ones finally but i'm willing to bet the backstage in a country one is way different than the backstage at one of those we all fucking really know each other you
Starting point is 01:09:43 know what i mean so it's really cool that's dope um how is how important is it when you like met your wife and she came into your life besides the birth of my daughter of the second single most important event in my life was meeting my wife um nobody would have ever been able to like nobody's seen in us what we've seen in each other. And I think that's what makes our love so special was I looked at her and I knew that she was more than what she was in that moment. I don't know if you know the story, but we're open about it. My wife at the time was an escort behind escort in Vegas.
Starting point is 01:10:16 She grew up in Vegas. And at the time, I was, you know, $500 shows living in that white van. You know what I mean? I didn't have a key to an apartment. I just let my little place go. I mean, I was down on my, you know, I was trying to figure it out. I was regrouping in life. And I looked at her and I didn't see that, though.
Starting point is 01:10:33 I was like, I see a woman that's like really could do something. Like, I see a woman that could be a brand. I see a woman that could be a boss. I see a woman that could run a business. Like, I've seen that in her. You know what I mean? And she looked at me, and at that time I've been rode off. Every record label on Earth said no twice.
Starting point is 01:10:48 You know what I'm saying? Like, big part of the tellyroll story, they said no like a motherfucker. You know what I'm saying? And it's here I am putting out independent records, and I'm just trying to find my way and find my sound. and she looks at me and we're early into our dating phase and she's like you're going to be a superstar
Starting point is 01:11:04 she's like you don't realize how much your music's going to touch people you know what I mean like this was one of our early encounters you know what I mean and I just remember nobody nobody's seen that in her nobody's seen that in me but we've seen it in each other
Starting point is 01:11:17 you know what I mean like we've seen that in each other so like the fact that she has I don't know 50 60 70,000 Patreon subscribers for her podcast it doesn't surprise me 70,000? Yeah, she's got a real, she's got a real thing.
Starting point is 01:11:34 That's fucking dope. She does a TV show on her Patreon. You know what I mean? She's huge. She does millions of downloads a month on her podcast. I mean, she's crazy. I'm going to talk to John about her soon. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:11:44 Like, her shit is insane. Her TikTok is huge. The dumb blonde podcast. Yeah, y'all check it out. We'll put the link in the description. But she's, yeah, she's just such, she's so brilliant. You know what I mean? And it's like, but it doesn't, it didn't surprise me.
Starting point is 01:11:59 I knew it. You know what I mean? Like, man, we used to joke all the time. She'd take these sexy pictures for the Internet because it was IG, the thought error. Mm-hmm. Remember that error? You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:12:08 I'm leaning in on it. Is that era? Yeah. Is that era still around? That's how I know I'm old. I pertook back then. Yeah, that's still hot. I partook back then.
Starting point is 01:12:17 And I would tell her, I'd be like, dude, I'm telling you'd get more attention if you'd just, just like, get on there and talk. You know what I mean? Because I just knew how funny she was. She's so intimidated because she is cool. Y'all seen her. right. Yeah. Bad.
Starting point is 01:12:30 She's beautiful. Right. Like a hundred percent like just undeniable like bad bitch. You know what I mean? And, uh, but I was like, but what you don't know about her is now you know because she's so big on TikTok and she's goofy as fuck. Bunny is goofy. Like me.
Starting point is 01:12:45 Like she's silly. You know what I mean? Like in a gentle like genuine way. And I was like, this is the stuff that the world would go crazy. It's kind of the jelly roll thing. Like I don't look like I would be this jovial. I don't look like I could sing good neither. So I have two things going for me. I'm, I'm at, relatively jovial guy and I got a decent voice two things you didn't see coming I was like
Starting point is 01:13:03 they're never gonna see you being like awesome like just go be yourself and when she leaned into that shit man it's like yeah sorry I went on that tangent but I just fucking love her dude and I'm high I got high with Celine before this podcast I'm talking too much dude how how dope does it like feel to find a girl that like like she's just like the one oh dude that must be dope it's such a good feeling and when your world shrinks I'm serious I know when you're your world shrinks, dude, you found one? You got you once? No, I'm still looking for that, for the one. No, we're also, we're also. That's why I'm asking because I'm like, I'm trying to get advice
Starting point is 01:13:36 too. No, it's a real thing, man. It's like, how long you've been together? I can only imagine Kyle how successful you'll be when you find the one. It's just so hard. No, no, it scares me because. But it's also what timing to, right? Yeah, it's all about timing. But it scares me because, man, you have done so incredible with your mind scattered about birds everywhere that when you focus on one bird and that's all that matters dog you're gonna fucking like
Starting point is 01:14:05 be the next Donald Trump or some shit dude you're gonna be like the next president of Canada if you want to yeah I might I might do that yeah I might have to I might have to pull a Trump and see Canada one day like I'm being for real because that's what happened to me my world shrunk like all of my focus and attention
Starting point is 01:14:21 was like I didn't realize how you don't even now you don't think you put a lot of time in energy and chasing pussy no we've been talking about that you know what I'm just saying but If you look at your text, man, just little brain cycles of just waste that you know is a waste. It's all just like. I'm trying to tell Steinie that, too. Especially when you don't get it done, too.
Starting point is 01:14:40 Oh, God forbid. You run out and chase something around and I'm stuck in the front door with a good night. I invested three weeks into this fucking bullshit, you know? Could have put that time elsewhere. Yeah, for sure. When you really think about how much time you waste just chasing pussy, that that's when I got in shape is when I just said, you know, for the next four months, I'm not going to chase pussy. going to focus on this are you still just drinking once a week yeah once a week if maybe even like less like this month i have a calendar in my room and i just like we have to do something in
Starting point is 01:15:07 south carolina we have to do something in toronto right i just mark it two xes on the calendar besides that if there's nothing crazy going on i'm not just going to go out how cool is it to be in a i think about this all the time to be in a situation of life where you look at work like oh got to got to work that day so i'm drinking exactly it's like the opposite of every other job where you look it days ago. I didn't want to drink today, but I do have to work. Yeah, or if it's just like, now it's just like I've been doing it for so long and it's like, it's got to be something cool.
Starting point is 01:15:33 Like, we're going to go to South Carolina for Happy Dad and do like a cool event there. Like, I haven't been there. What part? I think we're going to go everywhere around the state and just like activate. You do it like y'all did Texas when y'all just ripped through the whole state. Yeah, so cool shit like that. But then besides that, I'm trying to just gains diet. You see that March 9th competition that we're doing?
Starting point is 01:15:52 It's like a physique competition for March 9th. so we're like dialed we got all right just the no boys so us steve gave ain't that the night of the fight yeah okay so that day we're all gonna do like whoever's what y'all can party that night oh we're not yeah oh 100% he's not really in it no more i'm in it you already dropped out stony bro i just don't post my shit all day every day i want a sneak attack you know what i mean like no one's expecting you and i fucking win that bitch that's awesome who y'all think's gonna win. Salim's pretty dialed.
Starting point is 01:16:24 I'm dialed right now. Oh, you really? Oh, perfect. Oh, this makes me happy. I thought about joining Burt. Burt Chrys was trying to do a 5K in May. Is he? I swear he's,
Starting point is 01:16:31 that's his thing. I'm in talking about what? We're doing a 5K by May. Like Bert wants to do like a 5K by May. That's three and a half miles, right? Am I tripping? Yeah. Is it three and a half?
Starting point is 01:16:40 I think it's more. So you just have to run three miles? Yeah. But Bert's trying to get, well, well, I got a little worse. By May? That's late for me, no, no, by May for sure.
Starting point is 01:16:48 But I thought about it. I'm like, yeah, five months. You can run it up. You can run a fucking gas me up. Half a marathon by them, buddy. Let me do it. Gas me up. You got the chef coming.
Starting point is 01:16:56 You got Gary Brack up. You should post it too. Bert and Tom Seguer. It's official. I'm joining y'all for the 5K of May. Fucking Kyle said it, it's done. You should post it. Five months.
Starting point is 01:17:07 You got that. I've been walking every morning. I'm feeling good. I'm walking like two miles every morning. Two and a half miles every morning. You should definitely post it. That's how he got me to do it. Like he told me to post it.
Starting point is 01:17:16 Well, now you announce it. So now you have no choice. Yeah, that's why I looked straight to catch my camera in it. It's eight miles, bro. Yeah. No, five K's eight miles? Oh, God.
Starting point is 01:17:24 Damn. Fuck you, Stony. He scared the shit out of me. I was like, I'm going to burn, Tom, I take it back. I was going to do three. Yeah, dude, so when did you know she was the one? When I met her?
Starting point is 01:17:34 What moment? When we first met at the bar and hugged. The first meeting? I swear. And we didn't end up talking. She had a dude then, so we didn't chat. Love it for the real thing, bro. I swear.
Starting point is 01:17:45 But how do you do that when you know? You know she's with, when she has somebody else, I didn't kill your... I knew enough about the situation that I had a leverage up. Like, I knew kind of who she was and what her story was, and I knew who he was and what his story was. So I had just enough of the lowdown to be like, oh, yeah, this is like, it was a very violent relationship, and I knew that. It was like notoriously violent. So I instantly was like, why would that girl be with that? You know, like, I couldn't figure that part out anyways.
Starting point is 01:18:14 Like, she didn't look like the kind of woman. Some women, I don't want to say that, but like some women are in arbitrary relationships, and that's kind of their thing, which is still a problem. They should, you know what I mean? Like they should never be abused and they should, that's a deeper rooted issue. But she didn't look like the kind of woman that was like wanted to be in an abusive relationship. You know what I mean? You know. You kind of observed it.
Starting point is 01:18:36 Yeah, yeah. Immediately I could just feel it. I feel the energies, man. Like, I know. Energy is a real thing. Yeah, it's a real thing. Yeah, it's a great energy in the room, right? Yeah, it's a great energy in the room.
Starting point is 01:18:46 Yeah. I was worried about you because you've had some rough runs on the pod with different people. So I was like, I wonder if Tynie's got a good energy. But when I hug you, I was like, he feels like a great kid, man. I'm two for two with that today, actually. You could tell by the hug. Yeah, I mean, I want to feel your energy. And I can also, it's not about how much you embrace neither because I know everybody's not a hugger.
Starting point is 01:19:07 I'll still feel your energy if you're not a hugger. I know some people will be a little stiff and I'm like, oh, they're just not a huger. But you can just feel, I don't know, it's an exchange of energy. I feel like any time we get this close to each other, you start to really, feel there's a thing in the room that happens you know. Yeah. Especially in these settings because you're coming in to talk about real life stuff.
Starting point is 01:19:24 Real shit and chat a little bit and there's cameras everywhere. So it's a it's a whole different approach. You really feel the energy in these rooms. Because you've walked into something where you walked in and sat right down. It was like they don't want to be here. Y'all, we've all done them. We've all done media. Y'all might not have. Y'all been on fire a long time.
Starting point is 01:19:40 But I spent a lot of time not on fire and you'd walk into place and be like, I don't really, there's nobody's into this. This is on autopilot. I didn't feel that. As soon as I walked in, I was like, it's a cool situation. Dude, I wish we could go back and see one of the $50 shows, like, experience that. Yeah. Come to Nashville.
Starting point is 01:19:53 We'll do a bar night. We'll go out and get drunk and we'll sing at the bar for fun. That'd be down. What are you doing this weekend? Come on. Are you coming this weekend? We could. I'm in town.
Starting point is 01:20:02 I've really been a national. Oh, yes. Should we come out? I've never been. We'll just do it one night, Saturday. Yeah, I'll take y'all out on a Saturday. We'll fucking rage, dog. We'll get out of east set up the next day.
Starting point is 01:20:11 It'll be a hoot and a half. is a thing dude we're talking about our health grind though no but it's one send a week yeah we could have one yeah one send a week okay fine I'll participate in the sand
Starting point is 01:20:21 maybe we'll fly in Friday night Saturday we'll rip a fucking early morning workout then we'll have a country day and then we'll go out we'll have a country day we'll go rass and four wheels and then we'll drink at night
Starting point is 01:20:30 and then that night we'll go hit the hockey talks and we'll play some songs we'll get up there and say you know any country music I don't have some Morgan I like Chris Stapleton Chris Stapleton's pretty good he's the absolute go
Starting point is 01:20:41 yeah Morgan's good, yeah, but yeah, mostly Morgan. What about you, Stani? Yeah, I used to like Florida Georgia Line a lot. That's when I kind of got into it, like 2016. They had some bangers. They had some real bangers. Yeah. Morgan, up, down, was one of his first big ones with Down.
Starting point is 01:20:56 That's a fuckover's high. My buddy Ernest wrote some of that stuff with him and Morgan and Hardy early in that stuff. Big friends with Tyler and B. Kater, good guys. Cole Swindle and what's a... Love Cole. I just have it all over my fucking. Love Cole. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:21:06 When Cole won the ACM this year for the... I never could tell you stories. When Cole won the ACM for the Heads Carolina song this year, we were down in Austin, Texas. And I went to the mothership the night before the award show and got racked. Like, racked at Kill Tony. I went to Kill Tony with Tony Henscliffe.
Starting point is 01:21:26 Or it might have been a Ron White show, actually. And then I went Monday for Kill Tony and got racked. And we were down there fucking off. So that night of the ACMs, we go out and party. And the last party I went to was Cole Swindles. And I showed up. I don't remember hardly being there. But I just remember Cole being on top of the fucking world, man.
Starting point is 01:21:44 Yeah. He's a great dude, man. You know any country music? Morgan's my favorite. Who else do I listen to? Well, sing from Morgan. I like that. I like Mitchell Tenpenny's music.
Starting point is 01:21:54 He's the best. His music's the fun. He's from Nashville, Tennessee. He's from my city. We hung with him before. It's like a sleeper one. I think his music's like really good. So, really good.
Starting point is 01:22:04 So good, man. His voice is unbelievable. And don't big chorus, pre-pring. Oh, and. All his songs are fired Yeah, he's I don't fuck with bitches no more
Starting point is 01:22:19 Yeah, he even had the bitch's song I love all the 10 penny stuff Yeah, his shit's good Yeah, if he's in town We're gonna go out and rip with us But we'll get out and have some drinks And it's called a sit-in So like the old cowboys in the 70s
Starting point is 01:22:30 Is from when I learned the term Like Wayland and them would go to like The Rhyam and Auditorium is In the Alley Against Tootsies Which is the world's most famous Honkey Talk in the world is original honky talk which connects to leilas and a place called roberts which i'll take y'all to all these little spots he's the honky talks on broadway
Starting point is 01:22:48 you probably been but i'll show you the history of them but that alleyway connects to the artist entrance of the rhyman auditorium the historic rhyme and the mother the mother church of country music and uh these stories where these guys would leave the rhyming and they'd get drunk going to tutsies and whatever band was in there they'd say what you know they just mind if we sit down so like waylon jennings would be like at a honky talk on a thursday night just off and him like comedy like how comics go in and work out their set yeah like they just go into these bars and take over crazy and just play music so imagine being a saturday night you're just watching some house band play and then fucking waylin jennon shows up you know what i mean you're watching wayland jennings sing like his favorite buck owen song you know what i mean it was just a different era so we try to keep that spirit alive and a few times a year we'll get drunk go down to broadway and hit every bar and and sing. That's fucking cool. I'm down.
Starting point is 01:23:44 I've never been in Nashville. It's a ball, dude. It's mad different. You have a girl opening for you right now, Jesse? Or am I wrong? Is Jesse Murphy open? Oh, Jesse Murf. Yeah, no, we did a song together.
Starting point is 01:23:53 She didn't open for me. She did. You heard that record, the Wild Ones? She's so good. She's all over my TikTok. Yeah, she's huge, man. She's special, man. She's like my little sister.
Starting point is 01:24:03 Yeah, she just did the jingle balls with me. And she did New Year's Eve. She did Dick Clark with us. She came out. She comes out anytime she can to do the Wild ones with us. She's 19, right? Yeah, she just turned 19. Jesus.
Starting point is 01:24:11 One of my fun moments where I think I kind of became a fan because my daughter, I heard her voice and I asked my daughter, I was like, are you hip to this kid? This voice? And she was like, yeah, she's young. She's my age. And then Bailey showed me her TikTok. And I think that's kind of how it all launched out.
Starting point is 01:24:27 So she's really, really. She is a different kind of talented. I tell this story very openly. I invited her to come sing at one of my shows. Because I love one, like, I love covering songs and stuff. It's just like a passion. Like, I just love music. Whatever.
Starting point is 01:24:41 I just love it. And I was like, yo, let's do Simple Man by Skinnerd. We'll do the Shinedown version of it though, because I just got off tour with Shindown. So I was just in a routine of singing it anyways. And what I really wanted to see was how that voice worked in person.
Starting point is 01:24:55 Because when you hear her on TikTok, that voice is so distinct and smoky and just so draws you in. I was like, I wonder if she's hurting her voice trying to sing. So I wondered how she sang it like at what level? man pitch perfect that girl is phenomenal i mean everything about to be that young and have that much of an understanding of what she wants she's gonna do whatever she could she could be like our uh our next amy wine house or something crazy wow damn she could be big i mean dude she's 19 yeah it's fucking
Starting point is 01:25:27 you know what i mean it's the same way i look at y'all being all young and shit dude i'm old man i'm gonna do this a few more years and retired just soon as i got famous you know what i mean like y'all are gonna have long runs like she's gonna have a long run what's your favorite cover to do probably old time rock and roll just because it's the song it kind of got it all started for me as far as singing do you ever try like could you do any like you said you okay so you did hard out here for pimp could you do like mask off future yeah what oh dude all the future tape you're a hip-hop kid yeah did you see the mixtape mount rusmore was that is that future no no did you see what they said about it so they said oh okay no okay no i forgot it was like a hip-hop
Starting point is 01:26:05 vlog site this was a huge argument on the internet a month ago okay who's that What's on it? It was future. He has to be. GZ. Um, Wayne. I'm trying to remember who the fourth was because the fourth one wasn't Gucci.
Starting point is 01:26:21 Gucci has to be on there. And I remember people arguing if it should have been Gucci or not. And I thought for sure it was Gucci. He's got the most mixtapes ever. Somebody said the coolest thing about Gucci and Jeezie. We were talking about this. I don't know. Fuck, I can't believe I'm talking this open with y'all.
Starting point is 01:26:34 We were talking about mixtape eras. And how, did you were you part of this? at all you were ready to do it i was on dapp hits so like for sure yeah yeah so like i think Gucci had the longer more consistent run i think jizi had the bigger individual moment because trapper die ended up being such a classic mixtape to me it was like the beginning of that like mixtapes being like album like consumed like albums yeah so that's my thing is i think Gucci had a longer run and a more consistent run, but I think that
Starting point is 01:27:07 Dude, Gucci has, people forget Gucci has fucking mixtapes with Drake features that no one has even heard. Dude. Like he has, I used to listen to a lot of that. And to me, we're still talking about second no matter what. Nobody, oh, 50, they were talking about 50. 50 was the fourth one. Because you remember 50 had
Starting point is 01:27:23 that big, wild mixtape run right before Get Richard I trine. Yeah, yeah. I don't know if you remember that era. Well, Get Richard Rine is like the best, I think that's the most timeless album ever. It's top five albums ever, Peter. Yeah. Especially in hip hop for argument You can listen to that shit today And it bangs just as hard
Starting point is 01:27:37 Bangs. Yeah, it's 100%. Anytime I hear many men I still just get goosebumps Yeah Into my armpit. It's a hard one too. Many men's a stuff.
Starting point is 01:27:45 He's a hard one two by 50. Yeah. We were talking about 50 cent mixtape error. Do you remember his mixtape error? I didn't really listen to 50 as much. I listen to him now more. Yeah, like how to rob the industry era. Back then I was like,
Starting point is 01:27:58 I was pretty much a kid. I wasn't really, but my brothers and like sisters listened to it. Yeah, it was different. But now I'm listening to everything that he was making back then, but... The cool thing about where I'm at in age is I got to see all these mixtape errors in real time. None of them were as hard as Wayne. Nah, well, he has no ceilings, and then he has, I don't know one other mixtapes, but no ceilings was crazy.
Starting point is 01:28:19 For sure. He did, I forgot with the drama. What was the drama gangster grills? He did a lot with DJ drama. He did so many of those gangster grills, but he just, to this day, his biggest records to me were the mixtape records. Yeah. You know what I mean? like the records that went off in the clubs in the South especially
Starting point is 01:28:35 were all that mixed tape era I stole all that by the way. Well, that was some of the best rap ever. Yeah. Future Gucci and Wayne. For sure. I stole all that by the way. Future's Goat too.
Starting point is 01:28:44 Yeah. And a Pletit. Future's one of the jokes. Future's mixtape go for sure. That guy's crazy, man. 100%. I took, I wanted to put out music like a hip-hop artist. Tour like a rock and roll artist
Starting point is 01:28:54 and write songs like a country artist. Because for me it was easier that way. I watched the hip-hop dudes. Nobody put out more music. than a rapper. To this day, they are the best at creating content
Starting point is 01:29:06 and consistency of music. If you looked at music like content in your business, nobody does it better than a rapper. Nobody tours better than a rock and roll artist. Every time you look up
Starting point is 01:29:15 a rock and roll artist is fucking gone again. You know what I mean? Like a rock and roll dudes do 150, 200 dates a year, no problem. Man, the singer-songwriter, the songwriters in Nashville
Starting point is 01:29:25 are doing 200 songs a year. They're write 200 songs a year. Like literally, I wrote 80 last year. And with my schedule. Damn. So when you say 80, is it like 80 that you like submitted somewhere or just like?
Starting point is 01:29:38 No, I'll submit some to my publisher to pitch to other artists to see like if somebody around town wants to cut the records. But mostly just trying to write to figure out what the new sound is. Yeah. Yeah. I write like that every time. So my goal was I put out 13 songs in 23.
Starting point is 01:29:55 I want to put out like 30 and 24. So for me to have the right 30, the game of numbers for me is I'll probably write 120. How do you decide what to put out? Do you run it by other people? Yeah, yeah, yeah, man. You're now stuck in the jelly roll fold. You'll get songs.
Starting point is 01:30:09 I'm down. You'll get songs. It's going to happen. Get some Dropbox folders. Yeah, you'll get some Dropbox folders, man. Because you know what I do? I do SoundCloud links. Private ones, and I'll tell you why.
Starting point is 01:30:17 Because if you want to tell me what you think about it, I want you to. Like, I encourage your input. But don't feel obligated. I'm going to see what you're listening to anyways. Yeah. I don't get that analytic called Dropbox. Oh, because there's, oh, okay, I see. See on, uh,
Starting point is 01:30:32 SoundCloud, I can look and see what songs are playing the most. So you ain't got a call and go, hey, man, that's song number seventh, bang, and I'll look and see. It's got 700 plays compared to this one. You know what I mean? It's really cool. And not just y'all. I mean, everybody gets the same link, but that's how I'll start picking singles.
Starting point is 01:30:47 That's how I picked son of a center for my first country radio single. Really, well, really, yeah, we just sent it to it. We sent the Dropbox link to everybody. I mean, the SoundCloud link, and that's the song everybody kept going back to. Why, do you get worried that somebody might not keep it real with you? Yeah, you got to. You know, it's hard to be honest, right? You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:31:05 It's hard to be honest and critique somebody, especially when you're not in that world. Yeah. Because I could imagine, but you don't, that means the most of me, though. If you or Cal or one of y'all tell me something about one of my songs, you don't like, that would mean a lot to me because you got the ear I want.
Starting point is 01:31:21 You're the ear I'm going for. But imagine, I could also imagine you sitting at your house going, what fucking business do I have telling a fucking award-winning artist? Right. I think the fucking bridge sucks. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 01:31:34 You know what I mean? But it's like, that means a lot to me because that's who I'm writing for. You know what I mean? I'm writing for that. So that's why, yeah, I'll start sending songs out in small package. I'll send you like three or four.
Starting point is 01:31:44 And then, because if you send somebody to the album all at once, they might miss a good song because another song was better. You know what I mean? So I'll send song. But yeah, I play my wife, my daughter. Bailey, boy, she's my biggest critic.
Starting point is 01:31:55 Man, my 15-year-old dude, light my ass on fire. Dude, she'll talk so much shit to me, dude. she'll just be like she'll like make fun they're like make me mad almost like they'll carry it too far sometimes about the music yeah yeah you ever got your feelings like you actually ever got your feelings heard by what no no no no no no no you've snapped him and like yo you don't know what you're talking about you're just a kid yeah no no no no never you fucking dumb ass no no never but she has you know she you would it's funny man she'll lay into it that's awesome you all love her
Starting point is 01:32:25 dude she's different she's like um she's me and my wife had cussia for eight or nine years and how I am in this room is how I am in life. So, like, you know, best story I can tell by my daughter is go back to that state championship game, I'm pulling up, Kyle, and I'm calling her phone. But I'm old, so I go, hey, Siri. You know what I mean? Like, because I'm just whatever. That's a dad mom thing.
Starting point is 01:32:45 Yeah, it's a dad thing, right? I know I'm old. Fuck, thanks, Tony. So I'm like, hey, Siri, FaceTime, Bayleanne, you know? And I had forgot that she had got a new number, and I got it under Bailey Ann new. So she didn't answer her, so I called her friend. Now, I'm sideline at this football game. all, you know, on the field.
Starting point is 01:33:02 And she answers the phone. She goes, like, what is taking you so long? I go, where are you? She goes, in the bleachers, where are you? And I was like, on the field. And she was like, I was like, I was like, you need to come. And I was getting, I was a little frustrated. I was like, why are you not answering my call?
Starting point is 01:33:15 She's like, you haven't called me. And I was like, whatever. I was like, come over here. She's like, whatever, asshole. She says that to me and hangs up the phone. And when she's walking over there, I'm getting madder. I'm like, why is she being so confident that I didn't just call her 20 times? And it was me.
Starting point is 01:33:29 I fucked that. So when she gets up, she's like, what are you being such an asshole about? I was like, look at it and that. She was like, wrong number. I was like, I'm so sorry. Then I'm having to apologize. But like, I love that we have the kind of relationship. I wasn't mad at her because I knew her confidence was like, she could tell she was just happy
Starting point is 01:33:42 I was college. She's like, what are you doing? You know, but just to show you how she is in general. So yeah, that same kid will be like, this song sucks. Then she'll tell me why the lyrics sucks. She'd be like, you know how corny that lyric is? She's like, it makes you sound 48. And when I walked up through that dad said, everybody at your school would talk about how I looked
Starting point is 01:33:58 too young to be your dad. She says, that's crazy. They keep telling me you look too old for the music you make. That's what kind of asshole I have as a kid. Welcome to parents. They know to talk shit. Yeah. Damn.
Starting point is 01:34:09 Maybe one time just double down and check her. Right. Like, yo, you didn't tell me you were changing your number, you know? You can't submit that easily, bro. I changed her number. That's the problem. This was an all-me moment. Yeah, you're going to take the L.
Starting point is 01:34:23 This was an all-me moment. How much of the social media stuff are you, like, do you pay attention to? of like what's going on and not much no no no i'm a youtube guy so if it's on youtube and i see it i'll see it but you know i'm pretty much stuck on youtube i'll scroll through instagram or whatever but it's just not my thing do you ever read all the love that you get in your dms yeah sometimes sometimes i i just i don't i'm in a fragile place in my changing of my life right now so i'm kind of cutting out outside things yeah just because i don't need a lot of voices in my life right this moment yeah I don't need a lot of I need really I'm trying
Starting point is 01:35:03 to make some big decisions here you know what I mean and uh I want to change my life I want to get healthy I want to live longer I want to be happy I want to feel better I want to be of service and sometimes you catch the love but you'll catch that other shit too you know what I mean and I just don't care for it's not nothing I'm all I'm at peace with however it shakes out I need I'm just fragile I just need to work yeah I would agree especially when you have that vision of something that you want to do yeah you don't really need to listen to yeah All those other opinions, right? Because it's game time for me.
Starting point is 01:35:31 I don't feel like I'm sitting here. I feel like I'm sitting here with a lot to prove. Even the year I had, like, as blessed as I was with the award and the Grammy nominations and the sold out arena tour and all that stuff, I still sit here like a man that feels like there's a lot of people that don't think I can do it again. Yeah. And that's kind of a healthy place for me to be. No matter what, you're always going to have people fucking doubting you and trying to take you down,
Starting point is 01:35:53 no matter what you accomplish. Yeah, change your whole life and do it. Man, the quote I live by though, is they said, they could watch Jesus walk on water today and they'd say it's because you can't swim. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's like, to me that's just it.
Starting point is 01:36:05 But it's, you know, I'm in a good place where it's like I know whatever song I put, whatever group of songs I put out next will determine if I do this for the next 10 years or the next two. Right. I know that. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:36:18 Like, it's different. It's a lot, right? It's different. Y'all's business is different, dude. You know what I mean? Y'all can have a week where you don't put out a hit. You know what I mean? On here.
Starting point is 01:36:25 You know what I mean? You can miss a hit here and there. You just got to come back with a head. Yeah, music is tough, right? It's tough, man. I got a real big go. Like, when we come out here and do these, I'm doing it off cycle,
Starting point is 01:36:35 but when we come back and do the album thing, when the artist is in here talking to y'all about their album, and they're betting their whole career on that week. They're betting their entire career every single time. We're betting our whole career on that album week. You know what I mean? Because it determines where we land at for the next until we drop again. Yeah, I know.
Starting point is 01:36:54 That's tough. That's true. I mean, that is a huge difference. Like, we can put up another YouTube video two weeks later and make a quick comeback, but... For sure. Yeah, it's okay to have a bomb. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:37:04 Yeah, we can go away with them here and there. Yeah, it's like, we're okay to have songs that don't work. It sucks when you bomb, but you can recover quicker. Yeah, we're in a place where it's like, I can have a couple songs. And I know every song of my album's not for everybody anyways. But I can have a few that don't connect. But when that album finally rolls out, man,
Starting point is 01:37:20 the first few I put out didn't connect. The album better have a smoker on it. You know what I mean? or I'm fucking quite a spot. You know what I'm saying? A bit of a pickle here, you know? And I'm in that moment. So I'm in album mode right now,
Starting point is 01:37:34 so I'm super fragile. So I ain't fucking with that internet right now. I'm going to gas me out of my spot. There's nothing on there right now anyway. Yeah, I went to go see myself get roasted on New Year's whenever they lit me up for the New Year's performance. I missed that. No, it was just a small thing on Twitter.
Starting point is 01:37:48 We talked about it. It was just funny to me because, you know, I got it. There was like 25 million people watching that. Like, it's that big of a thing. No, but people were throwing shady. Oh, yeah. Imagine if you didn't know me from a man on the moon and you didn't like country music
Starting point is 01:38:00 or my style of anything. To keep my, they don't know anything about me. So they're just like, who in the fuck is this morbidly obese man? And they thought I was rapping because the first song I did was halfway to hell. But I'm a kind of jail, revival. I'm not rapping, but it was still, once again, the box, the genre thing.
Starting point is 01:38:16 You know what I mean? To somebody, that was rap. Like to some country, dude, I'm not country. Somebody out there thinks I'm a rapper right now. You know what I'm saying? To watch the Dick Clark for that. I ever wrapped 10 years. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 01:38:28 It's just crazy. Like your Action Bronson or something? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I got mistaken for him for so many years. Till he lost weight and we're finally just, I joke with him about that all the time. I'm like, the whole, people would always say, you're like the Southern Action Bronson.
Starting point is 01:38:43 I was like, it's kind of accurate though. That's funny. Y'all had action on here yet? I hadn't seen him on here. No, we haven't done shit. He's a hoot in half, dude. That'd be dope. He's fucking.
Starting point is 01:38:52 He's a ball, man. I did his cooking show. And it was like. I probably showed up too high to be there, but it was just high enough to be there, kind of. But instantly, I was like, this is crazy. But he shoots his show so loose. We just walked in.
Starting point is 01:39:06 He's cooking and talking shit. And I was like, well, I'm in the roll. He's like, see you later. And they just kept filming. You know what I'm saying? It was like, why it was so awesome. That's dope. So what else you got next?
Starting point is 01:39:15 Grammys, man. Grammys and, um, Grammys and, um, Grammys in first week of February 4th, tune in y'all, uh, think it's on CBS. The best new artist. How does that feel? Best Country Collab. It's unreal. It's, man. And especially being from the country music genre,
Starting point is 01:39:32 like any time one of us gets nominated in the all genres category, it's like a big deal for the whole city kind of. So, like, the amount of love I got from Nashville for that nomination was really special. Who else is nominated? Noah Khan, who I think probably deserves it, frankly. I think he probably did a little more than me this year. I'm also just a fan. You know what I mean? Like, I thought Zach Bryan was just as deserve probably more
Starting point is 01:39:55 deserving to me of the new artist from the CMAs but Noah Ice Spice Coco Jones Ice Spice is there too Ice Spice is there Warren Treaties One on which are friends of mine They're Nashville people too I feel bad that I'm not thinking of the other two
Starting point is 01:40:09 Off Top right now I'm blowing it up I feel embarrassed but I know those four For sure Do you is that like a big thing for you Obviously it's a big thing to win a Grammy But like if you don't win is it like Man I don't think I'm gonna win And I'm just walking in there in that mentality
Starting point is 01:40:25 which is not the mentality they told me to walk in with, but I just, that's how I walked into the CMAs and, you know, I just don't, I'm such a fan. I don't think I'm going to win because I think Noah's so good. You know what I mean? It's just a fan in me. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:40:38 Now, I hope secretly Noah's somewhere thinking jelly's so good. I hope he wins, you know what I mean? But he probably don't even know who I am. But it's like, that's my mentality walking in. I can say not winning, I'm always going to be a Grammy-nominated artist, so that's cool. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:40:52 But, Cal, if I win. That's dope. Man, can we daydream for a second? Can you imagine if my story ends up being that the year of my 40th birthday, I won new artist of the year. I won a fucking Grammy for the new artist. I'll be the second oldest one to ever win it. And the oldest person, I forgot who it was, but they were like 40 or 41.
Starting point is 01:41:14 They were only like 10 months older than me when they won it. So like, it would just, I don't know. I think it's a Cinderella story to a degree. You know what I mean? Obviously, I'm cheering for myself a little bit. You know what I'm saying? I'd love to win one, but, you know, I could tell you this,
Starting point is 01:41:28 well, I'm going to cry like a baby. I mean, that's, it's, I don't know if y'all know what the Grammys mean, but let me explain it to you from an artist's perspective. You can win VMAs, CMAs, MTV Music Awards, ACM, CMTs, you can win Billboard Music Awards. You can win all these different things that acknowledge us as musicians, right? You can win all that. and the day you get just nominated for a Grammy
Starting point is 01:42:00 just nominated for a Grammy not even winning one you are no longer that's not your intro like your intro would be like right now my intro would be uh before I was Grammy nominated was CMA new artist of the year Jelly Raw now if you look at the when I went to that college back to that state game the next day that the newspaper up there put me on the front page for being at the game
Starting point is 01:42:24 Grammy. And it said Grammy nominated. You got it said Grammy nominated artist Jelly Row. Like just being Grammy nominated, Kyle, meant more to that newspaper publication than me winning three CMTs, four people choice awards and one CMA. That's what I won last year. Humbly. Not bragging. Just can't believe it.
Starting point is 01:42:44 But that's the truth of my year. I won three CMTs, four people choices, and one CMA. And the headline was Grammy nominated. so when you win one that's crazy that's all that's how that's how you get introduced the rest of your life you know what I mean you get you know you get
Starting point is 01:43:01 congratulated on your Grammy forever forever yeah you get congratulated I'll be congratulated for my CMAs until next year somebody else wins one you know what I mean like you're congratulated as for your Grammy people congratulations on your Grammy 20 years after you want it it's crazy your guys want a 3-6 Mafia
Starting point is 01:43:18 won a Grammy Award even crazier they won a fucking Oscar for a heart out here for a pimp that's not awesome did you see their speech yes I did I went watching again the other day it made me so happy you know you know they you know they gave me one of my first chances little white oxycott and Xanax ball precursus and lure tabs little white just talked about it yeah yeah for sure juicy is my boy man that's that's that's my dude man juicy and Paul man they've been on my corner from day one so you if you if you do in the Grammy like bro please I'm gonna do it too but turn I'm gonna get your number two so lame all y'all but i'm gonna send y'all some playlist with some old three six mafianna
Starting point is 01:43:56 some u gk like next time you're working out just trust me it just bang you might not love it all but it'd be cool for you to familiarize yourself with that era okay of southern hip hop it was it was true it was out it was slap some this weekend too yeah oh dude i'll show you so much music dog it's fucking i'm like my mom i'll play records all night we got ourselves into a nashville son yeah it's great let's go i think this is fucking great don't was it good that Dude, it was amazing, you're going to be, I'm nervous. It was one of our best episodes.
Starting point is 01:44:24 Are your fans going to hate me? No, I'm going to fucking love you, bro. It's just, yeah, it's such a fucking, it's dope to sit down and just chat with you. And I wanted to get in front of your fans because I'm a fan. And I know I've said that a few times, but it's real. And it's like,
Starting point is 01:44:36 sometimes you want to, that's how I got with Bert, which, you know what I mean? Like, with Brennan Shob and then, like, I was just a fan. And Theo and all these cool guys that have came into my life. And I always felt like if I could get on that podcast, their fans would get me because I am their fan to a degree.
Starting point is 01:44:50 like I represent a slice of their fan base I don't know that's what was cool about this thank y'all for the opportunity thank you for coming on yeah they're gonna be fucking we're gonna be boys for a long time like you said yeah natural let's do some country yeah national motherfucker come on
Starting point is 01:45:04 well especially after we drink together then yeah we'll write a song let's do it we have a drink a write a song just no dark grab a cold one we'll write a fucking note boy song for the YouTube channel we should do that we're gonna do that with Wizz too yeah we'll do it with Wiz let's call Wynn
Starting point is 01:45:18 let's get on the mic and record it though. No, I'll talk dog. We'll get on the mic to record it. But I mean, like, we should call Wiz right now and be like, yo, fucking meet it. I bet he'll come. I bet if I call Wiz right now and go, if you're off Saturday, come to Nashville going out with the milk boys, I bet Wiz would be like, fuck it.
Starting point is 01:45:31 Yeah, he might come. We did him like three weeks ago. He was in. Yeah. No, he don't care. We're going to make a fucking power track. Yeah, he wanted to call it dry streak. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:45:42 He's on a dry streak. He's on a dry streak. So that's like, well, and we're all, we'll all have a different experience of the dry street. Like, could be funny. Love y'all, boys, man. Thank you all. All right, guys.
Starting point is 01:45:52 Peace, boys. All right, boys. Just want to let you know real quick. We are available now officially at Walmart in California, Texas, and Florida. And then March 1st, we're going to be in over 3,000 Walmarts nationwide. So this is fucking huge news for Happy Dad. So if you guys have a Walmart near you, go to Happy Dad.com slash fine. Go and pick one up.
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