FULL SEND PODCAST - Jordan Belfort x Nelk Boys | Ep. 8

Episode Date: September 16, 2021

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Boys, we got another episode of the Full Sent podcast. It's absolutely crushing it. We had to go straight to the man, Jordan Belfort. Bob, you want to bring up the charges? The best. I mean, by the way, the best. I was going to be, yeah, I'm leading off the charges, by the way. We got to go with your story.
Starting point is 00:00:13 Your story is fucking incredible. And for anybody that doesn't know it, and also, by the way, my favorite movie of all time, Wolf Wall Street, we've talked about it before. Yeah, there you go. Best movies of all time. He's a great movie, right? I mean, Leonardo DiCaprio playing you in a fucking movie. Beast Van DeVito playing you in a fucking movie, right?
Starting point is 00:00:28 If Leo, Dane DeVito, I choose Leo, right? Was DeVito up for the role? I don't think so, buddy. He was Brad Pitt versus Leo. Really? Was Brad Pitt actually, like, was he in consideration for it? Well, I was my choice. Oh, really?
Starting point is 00:00:41 Yeah, it was a bidding war between the two of them I chose Leo. Wow. All right, hold on. I'm pulling up here. I got to do my thing. All right, so Jordan Belfort, an American author, Motivational Speaker, former stockbroker, and convicted felon? Convicted felon.
Starting point is 00:00:57 You haven't heard that one in a long time, but yeah, I guess I'm a convicted felon where that is a badge of honor. By the way, I'm not bust your balls. You know you're one of my best buddies. I'm just reading what's on the internet. Planned guilty to fraud related crimes and connects with stock market manipulation, running a boiler room as part of a penny stock scam. 22 months in prison as part of an agreement under which he gave testimony against numerous partners. Fraud's clean blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Okay.
Starting point is 00:01:24 All right. That's a lot of shit. That's a lot of that's... Let's stop. Let's start. Let's stop, stop, stop. Let's stop that. Let's go. You want me to restart this again? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I want... That's not a podcast I'm interested in doing guys. No, no, no, no, no, no, I'm past this. I don't want... That's not the way to start this spot.
Starting point is 00:01:40 Let's start the podcast in a normal way. Honestly, it's stupid no one gets a bad. No, I know, but it's stupid and boring. Okay, come on, let's go. That was totally bogged idea. No, no, this is fucking ridiculous. But you know, obviously, I would... I mean, you were a legend on the shit.
Starting point is 00:01:54 I don't give me shit. It's just stupid. I got it. I care. Okay. No one fucking cares. All right. All right. I said,
Starting point is 00:02:00 I said Jordan's done so many interviews about the same shit. Like what? Listen, it's like, let's talk about some relevant shit. Jordan, you know how many people bring up Buffalo Wild Wings to me over and over again? Buffalo Wows.
Starting point is 00:02:11 This might be your last one, I lost, I mean, I might have lost the interview. You just pissed off Jordan. No, I'm not pissed off. It's just stupid.
Starting point is 00:02:17 Like, listen, here's the thing, right? I've been, let me see, it was 30, holy shit,
Starting point is 00:02:23 33 years ago, right? And what happens is, is that over the years when occasionally you find, like you're my friends, we just bust each other's balls, right? But every once in a while, you find some stupid journalist that will go back to you,
Starting point is 00:02:36 33 years ago, no one gives a fuck about that, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I used to say if you want to, like, start that way, it's just like a weird way to start. I don't really give a shit. What was 30 years ago? That's one that's actually,
Starting point is 00:02:45 see, people don't realize because the movie came out in 2013, but the stuff that you saw, it happened 30 years ago. More than 30 years ago. I look pretty good for my age, right? 100, yeah. It's like, it's like what happens is if you take a certain amount of drugs, large quantities,
Starting point is 00:03:00 in the right combination, it petrifies you don't age, you freeze your body, and you end up not aging, like in the whole person. So it's not about taking a lot of drugs. It's like proportionally spacing them out. Actually, it's probably good genetics. No, there's a thing, I didn't take a lot of alcohol. I didn't drink a lot. So alcohol is what I think ages people more than anything.
Starting point is 00:03:20 So I got pretty fortunate and I don't know, you know, honestly, I don't know why. I know I look young for my age, right, in my late 50s. We always have your shirt off in every social media post. I love, me and bounce back, but we're like, we've got fucking, he's got his shirt off again. So listen, about that, that Matthew McConaughey moment. No, so once in a while, like, you know, I work out a lot, you know? You know, like you, Bob, not. I don't, I never work out.
Starting point is 00:03:45 I can't. I can't get in the gym. I can't fucking do it. What's your gym schedule like? Oh, you wouldn't believe if I told you. I work out for 15 minutes and that's it. Really? I do this like 15 minutes, four days a week.
Starting point is 00:03:59 I am in and I am out. For me, it's muscle memory. I've been working out since I'm a really, really young guy. And I started at 15 years old. And I worked out every day for like 30, like literally, like six days a week. So you just get in like super high intensity and that's it. Not even, pal. I just barely.
Starting point is 00:04:18 Like, okay. So we're going to play golf after this, right? I have an artificial shoulder, metal ball, plastic socket, for surgery, see her, reconstructed the rods and screws in my bat. I mean, I've been through it, you know what I'm saying? I was a wrestler in college. I played tennis. I've always, you know, so my body is still.
Starting point is 00:04:36 So I've got to go 15 minutes lightweight, all right? And I just maintain. So what's your, well, more importantly, what's your handicap? Because we've got a big game, too, as well. No, I'm not that good. You're not that good. I just started playing again. So my handicap is I can shoot anywhere between 80 and 100.
Starting point is 00:04:53 Are you a gambler? What? You're a gambler? Gambling when it makes sense. I'm a gamble when the odds are stacked in my favorite. Not really, but I'll play a little fun game or something like that. You know, listen, I always love to gamble, but the things I used to gamble like a fucking madman. And a couple of my friends just got destroyed gambling, like lost millions.
Starting point is 00:05:15 And I have one friend that lost like $45 million gambling, blew out his life. So I got to the point gambling where I would. It was, you know, I was making so much money that it's like I couldn't win enough that it would ever move my needle. And when I lost half a million dollars, I'd be fucking pissed. Like, oh, the fuck I was, so, right? So what's the point of gambling when you're like, you know, there's no upside, right? And it was almost, and then combine that when I was, you know, high on Coke. So when you're losing, I mean, you gamble, right?
Starting point is 00:05:47 Yeah. Yes. You know that, I don't know if you have to gamble than you're high on below. Oh, never. It's the, right? It's the fucking worst. It's like, it's a terrible downward spiral at you, right? It's like, and it's awful.
Starting point is 00:05:59 And I remember as a kid. Like, I did drugs as a kid, right? I remember the worst experience I ever had was like 19 years old or 18 years old. And a friend convinced me to go to A.C., Atlantic City, right? We had some old piece of shit car. We drove down there, right? And I was making money because I worked on the beach, but I was a kid money, right? It's making, you know, some decent money.
Starting point is 00:06:18 And I think I brought $1,000, like my life fucking savings down there to the beach, to the A.C. And I lost everything, and we were doing below. And I remember, like, driving back home in the car. We couldn't even pay for the fucking poles. We had to, like, run the toll booth. It was like just the worst feeling ever. But I only asked you because one of the most, the memorable things that we talked about before is the question when I asked you,
Starting point is 00:06:43 what is the most you ever paid for a hook? Yeah, with it without casino chips, of course, right? So that's why I referenced again. So let's include the chips. 5,000, maybe 25,000. I forgot. but the point is like that it's the reason I answer that that way is because like you know the chips aren't real yeah yeah I wouldn't just hands there's 5,000 to a hooker right but if it's casino chips you're like
Starting point is 00:07:03 fuck hey there's a gray you know you go have a nice day right yeah yeah but I don't I don't listen listen I just find gambling like that like I have a friend a good friend of mine who just he just was on a big role he's won about four or five million dollars in the last month playing blackjack and he keeps telling me I want a million bucks I want $5,000 and you send him the fucking
Starting point is 00:07:25 stacks of money and the checks I'm like dude I'm like I seen this fucking movie before it always ends in one way with despair at the end
Starting point is 00:07:33 It's very hard to beat the house It's a reason Why they're business Poker is a different story I think poker is different Like you know If you're playing poker
Starting point is 00:07:41 With skill then you can play It's not gambling so much It's different But beating the house With black check or crap It's fucking hard But you got to have
Starting point is 00:07:50 Then you've got to have some pretty fucking savage gambling stories. Do you have any good gambling stories? Like a big, big night, big loss? You know, I see a lot of savage gambling stories.
Starting point is 00:07:59 I mean, I think the biggest loss I took was a million two. And this, which is not that much for me back then, because I made a bunch of my, I'll tell you this is the funniest gambling stories that I went on this winning, this is an amazing story about it. So I learned to play craps,
Starting point is 00:08:15 right? I was in Puerto Rico and it was the El San Juan Hotel in 19, 86, right before I started Stratton, okay? And I had a little bit of money for being a stockbroker. And I was playing craps, and I thought I knew what I was doing, playing a few bets here and there, right? A little blackjack. And there's some guy in the casino was like a real sharp looking guy, you know, his name was Joey for whom, right? We just met this guy and I had a very hot first wife.
Starting point is 00:08:41 He's like, like, like, dude, let me show you how to play craps. I'm going to show you. I'm an expert of craps, right? How did I need $300, right? He goes, give me your money. Give him the $300. He takes the money, close down, bam, loses the money in two seconds.
Starting point is 00:08:54 I'm like, what the fuck? He's like, give me another hundred. I said, give me, I take the hundred, he gave him $100. And I couldn't afford to lose the money back then, right? Give him $100. He's like, did him, bam, gone in two fucking seconds. I'm like, he goes, just give me, give me $50 more.
Starting point is 00:09:07 Give him $50 more. Loses the money. Bam, fuck. I was like, follow me. Like, all right, I start following the guy out of the casino. We walk out of the casino across the street to the next casino, I think it was the sands, right? He goes, all right.
Starting point is 00:09:20 How much money have left? I said, I got like 40 bucks. He goes, give me a 40 bucks. And I watched this guy in 30 minutes turn 40 bucks into $12,000. With craps? Crapes. 40 bucks into, his name was Joey for whom. Turned out he was like the junket guy.
Starting point is 00:09:38 He was well known. He was a professional dice player. And he taught me how to play. I was so fucking blown away by how this guy played craps. And he showed me every single bet, had to press up. And I became a craps player And I started going on a winning street Then I started Stratton
Starting point is 00:09:53 Like I was just starting Stratton And I started playing more And getting bigger and bigger And I went this like two year winning streak Where I won every single time I played Every time So once I go down But I always come back up
Starting point is 00:10:05 And just press The whole idea was you get the table All loaded up And then you just fucking just roll And you guys play craps it all? A little bit Not too much mostly blackjack Okay so I had the whole table
Starting point is 00:10:14 loaded up right And then you just take money off the table And I had some really big wins Right kicked ass for like about a year or two straight never lost i'm in some i'm on vacation in st martin and i walk in some little shit-ass casino with the limits like 50 bucks or something right and i was bent like 5 000 a fucking roll on each number right it was 50 dollar limits right and i lost like a hundred dollars and i never won again it broke my streak like this little
Starting point is 00:10:44 shit casino i think was called casino roy allen st martin in on the border of the French and the Dutch side at Casino Royale and the fuckers took my $50 whatever, $100 and it broke my streak and that and then I kept losing and losing and losing for like that's fucking years era
Starting point is 00:11:01 and just kept couldn't fucking get it together again I find got so far I'm like fuck this I'm done I lost about a million couple million dollars back and ended up a net winner I'd see a little like I'm not trying to I'd see a little change Jordan Belfort here I mean you're a little it seemed a little more conservative a little bit more are you like
Starting point is 00:11:16 are you afraid of being canceled all during this like. Cancel me? Forget fuck about being canceled. I did I ask you the question in the beginning. That's right. I don't give a fuck about anything. No.
Starting point is 00:11:26 The reason that is just it bores me that stuff. Because at this point the story borers me. You know, it just does. It's like, that's funny. It's just like I enjoy making people laugh and also making people money and fucking teaching people how to make money.
Starting point is 00:11:39 It must get repetitive too. Like, what's that? I said you've done a lot of interviews. It must be like the same stories. It doesn't really come out much, but it's all there. I mean,
Starting point is 00:11:46 I fucking talk about it. You know what I'm saying? I'm proud of it. Listen, I believe that America is like the greatest country in the world, it's the country of second chances. I'm fortunate, right? You know, I got a second chance and I made something really special that I took what was a fucking crime, right?
Starting point is 00:12:01 And by the way, I didn't do anything that they didn't do 10 times worse at all the big firms on Wall Street, right? That doesn't make what I did right. It was still wrong, right? But, you know, people know now that Wall Street's a fucked up place. Ironically, what I did go to jail for, what I really went to jail for was smuggling money of Switzerland. But I then pled guilty to the stock market manipulation, and that's now legal.
Starting point is 00:12:24 Like, every single crypto deal is now exactly. I went to jail for all you guys do every fucking day and became legal somehow. Okay, I'm not saying, I don't know what you guys are doing. So is that like how crypto's not like, because that's what we're wondering, too, is like, when's that going to get regulated? When it's like, because I could post right now and be like, I just bought this. Yeah. Well, you think you can, but you think you can. But that's going to be like.
Starting point is 00:12:45 You will tell that to the judge what he's sentencing you. Right. But people are doing that all the time now, all these influencers, right? There's going to be some serious fucking hell to pay for that. If they think there's some people out there, here's the way it works. The wheels of justice grind slowly, but they grind forward. They do, right? If you're an influencer and you went out there and you promoted a shit coin and you were selling while everyone else was buying,
Starting point is 00:13:11 you're probably not going to go to jail if you did it once. But if you're making it your mission that every month, that's a new promotion. You all go into, they don't realize it. The paper trail does not go away. And the statute of limitations is probably five years, but there's also something called continued frauds, which means if you keep doing the same thing,
Starting point is 00:13:32 they can roll everything back to the last transaction that you did. So if you're still trading crypto and you manipulated or sold and did some fraud back eight years ago, there's no statute of limitations. So what happens is, I think what people don't know, understands that there's no SEC right now regulating it. But that's a bad thing for people. You know why? Because the SEC is a civil authority. They don't throw people in jail. If there's no
Starting point is 00:14:00 SEC that leaves only the U.S. attorney, they're the ones that will get involved. And when they get involved, you go to jail. Right. So people are being enrolled into a full sense of confidence saying, oh, it's not regulated. Fraud is fraud. Fraud is never legal. You can't be telling people to buy shit while you're selling it. We got so many offers to do all those shit coins. I just didn't get the concept behind it because it's like none of these coins are actually going to be accepted.
Starting point is 00:14:27 Well, what they're doing is they're just separate. It's literally like, yeah, you're just pumping and dumping and screwing over your fans. It's a complete fucking scam, all right? And they're fucking their fans, which is why I never did it ever once. I'm in crypto. But I own companies, but I'm in like the pipes and nuts and
Starting point is 00:14:43 both of it, like the services that are surround coins. I would never, ever promote a fucking coin other than listen I'm long Bitcoin and I believe it's going high but maybe it's going to the fucking zero who knows where they're going right when I see shit like the Doge army and I have some friends that are good
Starting point is 00:14:59 people that got they didn't understand what they were doing that they're promoting Doge but one of them I know really well she didn't fucking sell it like and you know so she was like that she's never going to get in trouble she actually fucking held it back that all the way but many people did sell it of course. They blew
Starting point is 00:15:15 it on the way and what they say the funniest thing is saying this is not financial advice or really tell that to the jury like it's like fucking bullshit right so yeah so i'm glad to hear that you that you are smart enough not to there some people out there that are really major influences that are just like raping and pillaging the village i think it's only a matter of time before they just make an example oh hundreds no it's just they're just going to because it's getting too crazy and too they're going to pick a couple people are like exactly right it's a certainty they'll pick the biggest ones they'll pick the ones that are most well known and and and
Starting point is 00:15:47 They're going to drop the hammer. And boom, we're at least expected. They're going to drop the hammer. And those people are going to lose everything and it's fucked up. Because I think that they don't realize that just because the SEC is not regulating it, it doesn't mean you can commit fraud. Right. You get it?
Starting point is 00:16:04 It doesn't matter. The SEC is a civil. You wish the SEC was involved. The sooner of the SEC gets involved in this, the better. You know why? It's great for Bitcoin because the real stuff will go higher. The more, every time, listen, I'm. been around the markets for many, many years.
Starting point is 00:16:19 There's always been this thing. What's the latest thing? Back in the 80s and 90s, it was junk bonds, right? And when Milk had invented junk bonds and there was a dark market like crypto and a lot of shit happened. And everyone's like, oh no, they're regulating junk bonds.
Starting point is 00:16:32 And guess what happened? When they regulated junk bonds, they fucking soared. Like they get better, not worse, because bigger money will flow in. Institutional money comes in. So I think the sooner that crypto is regulated, the better. I really believe that.
Starting point is 00:16:46 And I think that these shit coins are a fucking polite because what they do is they scare away they they're legitimate investors and they also put this negative cloud over crypto you know so I'm glad you guys are on board with that because it's pretty fucked up it was a fucking your fans over like that's what people will do it was a full send token that someone made and it was like blowing up and we were like we were still new to the space too so we were kind of like investigating it like we're interested like oh someone made a full send token and you know people replicate full send all the time and like it takes sometimes three months to, like, do a season to assist and get the shit taken down. So we investigated in the old time, too. It was some guys in, like, Norway or some shit. So we went out to find a lawyer. I had a wolf one out of, not in the way of, uh, it was a wolf of Wall Street coin. I swear to go to a wolf of Wall Street fucking coin out of, uh, I think Germany or something.
Starting point is 00:17:35 They called me and asked me to get behind it. I'm like, you guys fucking that shit fucking crazy. They offered us like, yeah, like 1.5 trillion tokens. And it had like a 30 million. market cap already like it was blowing up and we're like we're just not going to do that because it's just like our whole thing's crazy you guys are on an amazing trajectory okay you guys are doing great shit like you know like what you do like with that that's building a fucking business that's how you make money the right way okay I love that you you're you don't drink
Starting point is 00:18:03 anymore though do I do of course I fucking drink have you tried one I'll try one right now grab a hopefully I'll slow down my golf swing a bit make me play better for you there dude I think what you guys do and when you call me to go on this podcast I was like fucking hey I love the knucks you guys are great great stuff and bob you know i'm a fan of yours but a lot of guys i'm really i think it's fucked up what's happening with some of the people using their brands for very different like they're just like a cash it's unbelievable like the cash grab going on i've been really careful because you know kids especially they if i went out and did something like that they'd buy it yeah it's becoming too unregulated it really is this point where it's just like
Starting point is 00:18:38 it's the wild west everybody's doing what the fuck they want to do and it's just this they're like you said too there's just a moment of time before they make an example on everybody and it's not going to be pretty funny who's breaking out the line and I'm just fucking, yeah. Hey, so what did you want to talk about? Well, I want to tell you about Wagovi. Yeah, Wagovi. What about it?
Starting point is 00:18:55 On second thought, I might not be the right person to tell you. Oh, you're not? No, just ask your doctor. About Wagovi. Yeah, ask for it by name. Okay. So, why did you bring me to the circus? Oh, I'm really into lion tamers.
Starting point is 00:19:10 You know, with the chair and everything? Ask your doctor for Wagovi by name. Visit Wagovi.com for savings. make apply. Well, by the way, too, I mean, I didn't know. Can we, can we jump back in the debate that we just had in the living room about one of my favorite topics for you, which was just Quailudes? What about them?
Starting point is 00:19:25 You've got to take us through the stage of Quailudes, if you don't mind. I know you get some repetitive over and over. No, no, a lot of stuff. No, no. You missed, because I am, like I said, I'm prescribed to Adderall, and Adderall for me gets me kind of like, you know. I think it's, I have a better drug than Adderal. You do?
Starting point is 00:19:42 You do. Mugifinal. Okay. What's that? No. Provigial? No. To me, projip.
Starting point is 00:19:47 is the greatest drug in the world. So I've tried Adderall, and I just don't, like, I don't know, it just doesn't, I kind of explain. I get, I feel hot sometimes during the day, my armpits sweat a little bit, and you get used to, but I don't, like I like it the first few days, and then you lose the punch. Modifinal is a completely different type of drug. It's a smart drug, it wakes you up, but it doesn't make you the least bigottery. You don't ever have to increase the dosage because it's, you don't habituate on it. Like, it's not, it's a different pathway, right? So, and that's a good segue to quailudes, by the day, because, like, quailudes you do
Starting point is 00:20:24 habituate on the problem with quailudes is that you got any more and more to get the same effect. Quailudes were a drug in the 80s, right, that you can't get any access to anymore. No, no, that's interesting. You said, no, it's actually believe it at the 70s. The 70s before my time. I'm not that old, right? But they were, the remnants of the greatness of quailudes were around in the 80s.
Starting point is 00:20:44 People were trying to find them before they were like completely soaked up by these. See, here's what happened. In 1956, some Indian dots, not feathers, right, stumbled upon this magic formula for a substance called metacualum. It's in India, right? And they found this drug was a drug called a hypnotic and it made you sleep. And doctors, mostly psychiatrists, would prescribe it to their elderly patients. Cause it would give you, you know, one pill, 300 milligrams, restful night's sleep to a
Starting point is 00:21:20 grandma or grandpa. It didn't take long for people to realize if you just fought the sleep-inducing effects for the first five minutes, you got this incredibly kick-ass euphoric high. That was like just off the charts amazing. It started with phase one, which was the tingle phase, right? That's your first phase of a equator light, right? And you get this tingling in your face. your tips, and it's like, it's fucking
Starting point is 00:21:46 like, honestly, it's like getting, like a finger your whole body, it's a blowjob. It's fucking same time. It's a fucking blow job. It's un-fucking believable, right? That's phase one. Great phase. The problem is it doesn't last long. It's like 15 minutes. The moment.
Starting point is 00:22:01 10, 15. That transitions into what's called the slur phase. The slur phase when you start talking, like, I love you, you used to round out your vowels, a little bit of slur happens, but you're like, fuck it. Firstly, you think you sound perfect. And you say, well, even if I am slurring, like, you know, baby slur, I slur, it's fucking, I've had a baby. I'm a little daughter channel.
Starting point is 00:22:19 I'm like, she slurs with a fucking kindred spirits. It's fine to slur as well. And that would last her about an hour. And you also got the, like, I love you's. I love you. And I love you. Now, this is back before cell phones. You had, like, landlars, you want to fucking call everybody you know, I love you.
Starting point is 00:22:35 Bob, I fucking love you. No, I think the fucking guy's the fucking best. I fucking love you. Right? That was your fucking second hire. So what my ex-wife would do, right? She's like three ex-wives ago, right? I always say, I don't teach relationship master.
Starting point is 00:22:50 I teach business master, right? Anyway, so my wife would go on, she'd unplug all the fucking telephones in the house. And I'd be like, oh, why are you? You're so fucked up. I'm like, why is this not working, right? All right? That's phase two. Then that transitions into phase three, which where things start to go a little bit downhill,
Starting point is 00:23:08 you get into the drool phase. But you start to, like, talk, any of the old drools coming out. babies drool. I drool. There's nothing wrong with drooling. Druling to be respectable. You convince yourself of that, right? But that starts to like you're going over the line. You're like, you know, and you have to do something because you're going to fall asleep soon because space force unconsciousness.
Starting point is 00:23:26 Now, the key to success here is to intervene towards the middle of the slur phase with coke because you're going to get an upper effect. You get it? In other words, not just like a one-on-one when you're just like 20% through the slur phase. And, you're just like, and And then a little more when you're about to enter the drool phase,
Starting point is 00:23:45 you can kind of stay in that slur, drooly phase for as long as possible. That was like the strategy. And then you would keep taking more pills and more pills and more fucking bills. Was that the scene when, remember in the movie Wolf Wall Street? When you were crawling at. When you were crawling at. When you were crawling, that was a cerebral palsy phase. What happened with that one is, is I, no, that's when you,
Starting point is 00:24:04 I found a new phase. It's a very rare phase. There's two phases that are typically very rare phases. One of them getting canceled, right? I just said that, right? We're here to protect you We're good We're here to protect you
Starting point is 00:24:17 Listen honestly Everyone knows me You know you know I said I am prejudiced I am a prejudiced guy I am I am very racist I'm against two races
Starting point is 00:24:24 Of people Lazy people and stupid people Everyone else I fucking love That's my way my heart is that Okay But there is a street A palsy phase And I'll tell you what it is
Starting point is 00:24:33 It's when you take so much And you're like You're fucking shaking You're like body fucking thoughts In fact Danny The Jonah Hill character Was such He would like
Starting point is 00:24:42 had this disease almost like coke could lose he would get into the cerebral palsy things he'd be like we went snorted so much coke on the way from we took off West 30th Street hell of what going to the Trump Castle
Starting point is 00:24:54 to land on the roof of the castle to gamble my time he got there so much coke had been consumed so many lose that then he was like and when he gets to the table to put his money down they're like I'm sorry sir you can't gamble like my friends got zero palsy oh I'm so sorry sir
Starting point is 00:25:08 let him throw he's like thank you very much that was very much Danny. And by the way, Danny just got arrested with DUI. Recently? Two days ago.
Starting point is 00:25:17 Are you still tight with him? No, I don't really speak, but I got like 20 people sent me this article from the Boca Raton. He was like, you know,
Starting point is 00:25:23 the wolf of Boca Raton got picked up with DUI. You, uh, so that movie, that movie was, was it success for you? Did you get? Guys, listen,
Starting point is 00:25:30 I'm endorsing. I love this guys here. Free endorsement from me. You got that. Have you tried to yet? Yeah. You tried him. I have no part of this.
Starting point is 00:25:36 This is his baby. So, hmm. Oh, it sucks. It's good. Drink. Happy. What's cool? Happy Dad. Happy Dad. I like that.
Starting point is 00:25:46 Did you make off well with the movie or no? Did you, because I saw a lawsuit or something. Did you file a lawsuit against the? I did. So, well, that's a different story. So I made, they did well with the movie in the beginning. But it's not really what you make on a movie. It's what it does few branding-wise, right? And the movie became this ultimate cult hit.
Starting point is 00:26:00 What I sued them for is because, believe it or not, is the guys that finance the movie were the guys that stole all that money from Malaysia. They stole like $3 billion. It was the biggest crime in history. they had $3 billion theft from the Malaysian sovereign wealth fund courtesy of Goldman Sachs
Starting point is 00:26:16 there's no great crime without Goldman Sachs having to lose their finger in it right and there was this guy Jolo and Reza Aziz and he was the preministers grand's son
Starting point is 00:26:27 and they financed the movie and they all turned out the money was all stolen and you know one of them was still on the lamb he's changed his face Jolo changed his face you could be Jolo by the way
Starting point is 00:26:36 you're not Jolo I don't think so you don't think so right so Jolo is on the lambs still. What happened was, is the way it works is I ended up getting back
Starting point is 00:26:44 the rights to a docu-series, which I'm going to be doing this year, probably with Netflix, and also the Broadway show, which is really cool, which I'll do at one point, you know,
Starting point is 00:26:57 when the time is right and Broadway opens up again, right? That'll be great, a musical for the Wolf of Wall Street. But they had the TV rights and I get a royalty, so I can't do the TV rights without them.
Starting point is 00:27:09 Now, at this point, every network would bid for the TV rights to the wolf of Wall Street, but they don't want to be involved at all because they want to make believe this never happened. They're trying to hide. So they're trying to squash any usage of the rights.
Starting point is 00:27:23 And when I sold them the rights, it was the anticipation that, obviously, that they would try to exploit the rights and so forth. And so I'm suing them to get those rights back. Was the movie misleading at all? Like, what was the most misleading scene that you're like, that didn't happen?
Starting point is 00:27:36 They made me look like a fucking asshole. Then when I punched my wife in the stomach, At the end, that never happened. In fact, like, we actually, when the movie came out, we did, and they called me first. Like, so I can't blame Leo. Like, he, they asked me for permission to do it. Like, Leo called him, goes, listen, you know, I want to do something. I think it's going to really, you know, make it dramatic and it's not great for you.
Starting point is 00:27:57 He goes, but just, you know, trust me, you're going to come out looking great in the movie, and he was right. And he goes, but, you know, punch your wife in your wife in the stomach, whatever, in a moment. And after I snorted all this Coke and all of that's fiction. because what happened was, I got sober 18 months prior to getting arrested. So, like, they had me, like, relapsing after I get arrested and going crazy and punching her. So the timeline's all off, and I never punched her, right? So when the movie came out, my ex and I took the kids together to a private screen and we're like, listen, that never happened, this, you know, so we kind of told.
Starting point is 00:28:32 So, yeah, that was, that was, it didn't really bother me. It really didn't bother me, actually, because I knew it wasn't true, right? And my kids, though, it's not true. there was a bunch of things that were like most of the stuff that wasn't true was mostly that it was the timeline was off like a lot of things were collapsed like for example
Starting point is 00:28:48 at the end of the movie like they asked me to cooperate which I did right now is cooperating with the government but I wasn't against my friends and they wanted me to rat out my friend and I slipped my I refused to cooperate against my friend I slipped my friend the note
Starting point is 00:29:04 right don't incriminate yourself right so I was like yeah I'll cooperate against people but not my my buddies right that was my mindset like i'll give him i'll phone where the money is i'll show him what happened but i didn't think i'd have to wire up against my one of my closest friends so when that when i was faced with that moment you can't say no but i slipped him a note saying don't incriminate yourself and you guys were you guys were like out to lunch or something yeah at a dinner and a dinner and they were outside in a van and at the time you know interestingly i was like man that makes me i'm a i'm a stand-up guy it was just
Starting point is 00:29:38 The stupidest thing I ever did in my fucking life because he turned me in. The guy who I tried to protect ended up turning me in and he gave the note to the, he got in trouble like six months later, and he had saved the note and gave it to the FBI, and I almost did 30 years for that. Really? I got very lucky. The FBI
Starting point is 00:29:54 agent took my size. He's a crazy, we're friends today, the FBI agent and I and he stopped them from breaking my agreements because I had a cooperation agreement, but like, when it came to cooperate against my friends, I didn't cooperate, so they could have broke it because it was supposed to be for You can't picketries.
Starting point is 00:30:09 I'll cooperate with him and not with him. You get it. So I had this sort of moral line. Like, well, I'll cooperate, but I'm not going to have to wrap my friend out. And then I thought I was protecting my friend. And he fucking ratted me out. But it wasn't Danny. That's the point.
Starting point is 00:30:22 So Danny got like the bad rap of that. But it had nothing to do with Danny. And the movie, Danny's the one, Donnie rats me out. But in real life, it was just someone else. They just, Danny sort of got like, he was like the kitchen sink for all bad shit. God, Danny did it, you know? Right, right. How long does that last when you have to cooperate?
Starting point is 00:30:37 Is there like a time? Span? Up until you're sentenced. Okay. So once you're publicly sentenced, it's over, yeah. So if you're cooperating with the feds. For 2000 until 2003, cooperating with the feds, right?
Starting point is 00:30:50 And then you get sentenced and that's it. Then you get credit for whatever you cooperated. So the problem was because I wouldn't cooperate against my friend. They could have broken the agreement. You get it? And that, I mean, that would have cost me 30 years.
Starting point is 00:31:04 It would have been a fucking. Because we're always hanging around. Or Steve, you know, Steve, our guy, Steve will do it. know him? No. The guy that drinks a lot. I don't know if you see me.
Starting point is 00:31:11 He's hanging out with 6-9 a lot now. So you know what happened with him, how he cooperated with the government and stuff? When? Like recently. So me and Bob have just been wondering if he's still like an FBI. I mean, honestly, I could. We're doing a lot of fucked up shit and 6-9s-d-old of my shoulder and shit. If you were cooperating with the government, I would have hang out with you every day.
Starting point is 00:31:30 You know why? I'm not doing anything. Like I have the cleanest, like I don't care who is cooperating. Like, I don't care if you're undercover age of the New York fucking time. I've never done, since the day I love jail, I haven't done or said a thing. Yeah. I don't give a, no, what I'm wondering is if something, if you get off completely off something with charges were like really heavy, where you were facing something like fucking life
Starting point is 00:31:49 in prison, I mean, are you somewhat indebted to them for life? No. No, that's not the way the law works. Okay. Once you're, it's, no, once the, once the, uh, the judge sentences you on that date, it's just what happens is you get what's called a 5K letter. And a 5K letter is like your final cooperative. and the U.S.
Starting point is 00:32:09 attorney writes it saying, this is what he did, this is how he helped us, right? And that's why we believe his sentence should be reduced, right? Once that letter is written, your agreement is over, and if you did something
Starting point is 00:32:24 the next thing, you're done, it's over, it's a separate case. So, I mean, this is the guy could be cooperating for something else, but not because of what happened
Starting point is 00:32:31 with that case. It would just be for something else. So, you know, cool. But I, you know, I live my life. And I would suggest you
Starting point is 00:32:38 live yours in a way where like who cares who's cooperating because I don't just do anything like you know I don't care what I you know anyone says oh I get threats oh I'm gonna call my call them I'm call them like the fuck you know what was jail fucked or no it wasn't that bad listen I wasn't getting
Starting point is 00:32:54 buck fucked by Bubba in jail you know I was in a minimum security prison camp you know it wasn't the worst place no but jail's jailed suck but my bunkmate was Tommy Chong from teaching Chong oh wow what a fucking cell that must have It was great, by the way.
Starting point is 00:33:09 It was hysterical. So that's how I started writing. I tell Tommy's stories at night and he's just rolling on the floor. And then the third night, he's like, dude, I thought you were making this shit up. My wife Googled you. It's all true. He goes, you've got to write a book. I'm like, really?
Starting point is 00:33:24 Like, I didn't think my life was that crazy because it's like, did you think it when it was your life? You don't think you're like this. He's like, you're like, I don't know. Really? My life's interesting. It's like my life. I don't know if it's that interesting. He's wild, but he's like, dude, I'm Tommy Chong.
Starting point is 00:33:35 I think your life is fucking crazy. You've got to write a book. So that's how I started writing. But other than that, jail was very, for me, I had it about as good as you can have it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:45 But jail sucks. I mean, it's still a mom going to, I don't want to glamorize in the sense that I wasn't, I wasn't happy to be there, but I certainly made the most of it in the sense that I had, um, you know,
Starting point is 00:33:54 I had people working for me in jail. Like, you know, you pay people to do your, to do, be a butler or a fucking cook or a ballet. Yeah. And it's not expensive in there.
Starting point is 00:34:04 And you're helping everyone else out. But then again, You got to be rolling there like, hey, you got, I mean, you got money. So, you know, it doesn't take a lot of money to roll big in jail. Like, if you have like 300 a month, you're rolling big in jail. It's not like you get it. It's not like that, you know. And do you pay them like outside the jail or like, does it go to their money outside the jail?
Starting point is 00:34:25 There's multiple ways. You know, sometimes you do it by just giving them stamps in jail. You can have, you know, your friend, which is dangerous, why Steve Madden got in trouble for this. but so Steve Madden did extra time in jail because I give him some stupid thing like his assistant sent someone else in the jail money you get it and they got caught and he did an extra six like so fucking stupid
Starting point is 00:34:47 like he was just being generous like some guy had no money and he's like oh yeah whatever I'll give you a few hundred dollars and his assistant sends someone else money and he ended up doing six months extra so they tack on a lot of time for the small shit small shit you can do anything they just tack on fucking six months I think with Steve's money he didn't get he didn't get him extra time
Starting point is 00:35:03 he didn't get extra time, he didn't get his deduction for good time and for going through what's called the drug program. It's something called ARDAF, the residential drug treatment program. So what happens is when you go to jail and you're an ex-addict, you can say, well, I was, you know, doing what I did cause of drugs. So they'll let you go through a program to reduce your sentence by 18 months. So I got sentenced to four years and did only 22 months, partially because of good time, good behavior, partially because of this
Starting point is 00:35:34 aren't that program, and everybody goes through it, right? Everyone's a suddenly a drug act, right? I had, though, I really was, right? But a lot of people just say, oh, yeah, I'm a drug act. They go through the program. We get time off. When you went to jail, how much did you have going into jail? And then when you came out, how much were you left with?
Starting point is 00:35:49 I had about maybe $500,000 $1 million going in and zero coming out. So you had to start fresh. Start fresh. And I was so fucking happy to start I got to tell you, it was, you know, looking back at it, there was so, something amazing about starting over, you know, and it's, you know, I probably wasn't thinking that at the moment, but looking back at it, you know, it was an amazing journey to go from zero
Starting point is 00:36:17 to where I am today again. It was just incredible. It was like, you know, there was a lot of tough times early on, like, for example, shortly after I wrote the book The Wolf of Wall Street, the global financial crisis hit and like money became impossible to get like i was right the book became a huge success my first book and then i was writing a second book which i'd already sold like a million bucks maybe eight or nine hundred thousand and then um i was about to write a third book and you suddenly the price fifty thousand dollars like every the money just dried up and like i had no money what was your what was your highest net worth at one point oh yeah probably close to I mean, if you take the stock of Steve Madden in excess of a billion dollars, yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:05 Because when you look at Steve Madden, they owned 85% at one point, and then fully diluted probably even after the offers, they own 25%. It's worth $6 billion now. So, I mean, hundreds and hundreds, if not billion, you know, a billion dollars. That's fucking insane. Huge money. The new BMO, V.I. Porter, MasterCard, is your ticket to more. More perks, more points, more.
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Starting point is 00:38:24 Like, is it different? That's a local, for what, DWI? No, we did like a fake secure. I did want to. Oh, I remember that. I remember that thing. What was that?
Starting point is 00:38:31 A fake security prank. So we dressed up as like Paul Blart Mallcops with the things, the segways. Yeah. And then I guess in Texas, in that county, it's not a law like really anywhere else. But in that county, it's illegal to impersonate a security guard. Not even a, obviously a cop, but a security guard, it's illegal. So they saw what we did on the cameras and shit. And then they had a warrant for my arrest.
Starting point is 00:38:56 Wait a second. It's illegal to. impersonate a security guard Yeah, in Texas I guess it's old school That's a fucking stretch But yeah I went in there
Starting point is 00:39:04 I can't be a toy cop Interesting Okay Did they did they fuck with you A jail call That's good Salim We got Salim
Starting point is 00:39:11 We got to I thought it'd be good to bring him in too Because he's got a lot We haven't gotten To the girl side of stuff But this guy's got a lot A lot of girl problems Oh what's the problem
Starting point is 00:39:19 Yeah No I don't have girl problems How old were you When you lost your virginity I was 17 I lost it to a girl That I met her at Rout actually like she was just outside
Starting point is 00:39:30 it was like a dark skin chick and then I fucked her like the next day it wasn't even that hard she took her out to dinner sounds like the village slut yeah I like half fucked her because I didn't explain that explain that because I didn't
Starting point is 00:39:41 I didn't know how to have sex I'm gonna be honest so like you fucked her belly button I didn't know no no I just didn't I didn't bust but I thought I did and I was like oh this is all that everyone's talking about I'm like all right that's it took out the condom
Starting point is 00:39:55 she was like it was on like a mattress bed What's the wild, is it too crazy? Ask you the wildest, uh, story. Yeah, what was your wildest story? Like, just, I mean, with like girls and shit. Well, you know, I told the story once on Logan Paul's podcast. You guys, I don't know if you guys heard. There's a really, really extreme.
Starting point is 00:40:16 It was just me being, you know, watching an insane situation unfold at my bachelor party. But I mean, I've been in, you know, listen, obviously pretty much every situation sexually, You can imagine, you know, all crazy shit, anything you could see in Porn Hub minus, you know, animals. But I've seen the animal stuff as well. But like, it used to be, here's the thing, you know, when I was growing up, you know, if you wanted to like see some porn, you had to go get a playboy and like your head under your bed and you see like a little bit of bush and like, oh my God, you jerk off towards like amazing, right? Now it's like for kids, like, I want to see midget anime porn where they fuck a donkey from. behind while two other girls are holding his donkey's balls and like oh yes 37 videos for that shit it's like unbelievable every perversion nothing is sacred anymore right so i think we're almost
Starting point is 00:41:08 like been like desensitized to like what's normal i think the internet the internet and social media is making it more you're always looking at social media you have a girl and then you're looking you're like you have a blonde and then you're seeing a hot brunette on the instagram you're like fuck i want the brunette now like you're always comparing what you have to like what's out there because it's accessible because instagram is like on bullshit, like, finest moments artificially pumped up. That's why I actually likes TikTok better, by the way,
Starting point is 00:41:34 because TikTok is a little bit more authentic. You see all people of shapes and sizes. And also I'm sick of, like, on Instagram, I'm seeing my friends, same shit again and again. Like, I like the randomness of TikTok a lot better. You know, people think, it's only dancing. It's not true.
Starting point is 00:41:48 TikTok is everything these days. It's like a short form YouTube more than anything, I think, you know? Yeah. So, but I think, listen, I've done everything. thing that you can imagine. You ever fucked a midget? I ever fucked a midget? No.
Starting point is 00:42:03 No. You hesitated a little bit there. No, no. I'm thinking of a midget, well, you know. Longer hesitation. I fucked with a midget, but I never fucked a midget,
Starting point is 00:42:13 you know? You really? We fucked with midgettum. We fucked with them. We tossed them, you know, and all the shit, you know? I had them. I didn't, I wasn't there for the tossing.
Starting point is 00:42:19 It's not true. But we didn't have them walk around sombreros and chips and dip and shit like that. And we fucked with them all that, you know, it's many years ago. I think that, you know, midgets of people, too. You know, every bit of respect.
Starting point is 00:42:32 Like Donnie, you know, Donnie, right? Donnie's fucking amazing. Yeah, 100%. It's fucking wild, Don't know. Would you ever, would you, how much was somebody had to pay you to, like, do a sex date? What would be your number to, to release a sex date? 100 million for me.
Starting point is 00:42:46 A hundred million. Really? With, like, face and everything. 100. 100, no. If somebody offered you $10 million in cash in a briefcase, do you, really? No. Not going to move my needle.
Starting point is 00:42:55 Yeah, that would, yeah. 100. You would do it for 10? I would fucking do a sex tape for a million bucks cash. I wouldn't care. Really? I don't know. I'd probably do it for...
Starting point is 00:43:04 I mean, I think I could get the funds for that. Brother. But who? What's the question? I have some finance. Oh, yeah. Who were you going to fuck, though, in the sex tape? C.J. Franco?
Starting point is 00:43:12 No, I mean, Franco would probably be down. I mean, I think if I called Steve, we'll do it and we started raising money. You guys, I mean, you guys give me a million bucks cash, I'll fucking make a sex tape. Listen, if they could actually raise all the money for fucking price to fucking fight the other guy, I mean, what the fuck? And they didn't even get any of the money. Right. And I'll make it good, too.
Starting point is 00:43:30 I'll, like, create a scene and shit. Like, I'll play a long. What's the ways of that? The whole thing, they still not get paid? Those guys? Yeah, I, from what I know, yeah. They offered us, like, a million a half to host that event. But we didn't do it, but I'm glad we didn't do it because we probably wouldn't have got the money.
Starting point is 00:43:44 Yeah. For sure. I haven't, I don't know what happened with that, but yeah, I think they just got robbed. So nobody got paid? That's what I heard. But who knows? Who knows what's going on? James Harder and was pissed at him.
Starting point is 00:43:54 Yeah, that's crazy. How does that happen? Hardin was mad at somebody for fucking not getting me. I think it's amazing. I have a tremendous respect for Logan Fall for what he's pulled off with that whole thing. Really? Because, like, he lost all his fights. Like, it's amazing.
Starting point is 00:44:09 Like, to me, that's resiliency. You know, it really is. I respect for him. And everyone said, like, there's no way he lasts a round. Yeah. Well, that's an accomplished. Everyone said it, though. Every fight experience.
Starting point is 00:44:21 Yeah, but that to me is not why I respect him because, like, that was obviously. staged that whole thing? No, I don't, time on what I think. I think this, this is what I think. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Listen, I think it was, I think it was staged to a point where they didn't want him to fall, but that motherfucker took some hits. Like he got, he,
Starting point is 00:44:38 Mayweather connected hard. Oh, yeah. Mayweather beat the shit out of him, but he didn't get knocked out, so what do you mean that you think it was staged? Why do you think that? I don't think the number one, it was, it was an exhibition match. It wasn't a professional stage. So to say that it
Starting point is 00:44:54 stage wouldn't be the end of the world. I don't mean that in a derogatory way at all. No, I know. I don't mean to belittle what they did. What I'm saying is I don't think the purpose of that fight was for Mayweather to knock out Logan Paul. The purpose was to entertain people and set up the next fight. I don't think it was in their interest to him to knock and beat the shit.
Starting point is 00:45:12 I think he could literally beat the living crap out of Logan Paul and knock him out in one round as a profession. He's one of the greatest fires of all time and Logan Paul couldn't be KSI. So you think Mayweather held back on Paris? Of course he did. Yeah, definitely. 22nd fights don't say. To what benefit to him, though?
Starting point is 00:45:27 Because it was, who's going to want to see that thing? But people already bought it at that point. No, but the next fight. It's about the next one. And the next one? Or Mayweather and the next? Listen, number one, okay, Mayweather is there for a paycheck. He unabashedly said, you guys are so fucking stupid.
Starting point is 00:45:46 This is highway robbery without a gun. You already said. Yeah. He was unabashedly like it's all a cash scrap. So someone that has that mindset. I'm not even nothing against the guy That that's what he's publicly stated, right? Yeah
Starting point is 00:45:58 His motivation here is not to hurt Logan Paul Or knock Logan Paul out It looked like he was fucking trying to hurt him though Yeah, it did He was the guy was the number one fighter in the war You tell me a number one's also one he was also 145 though If Mayweather wanted to step on him He would have fucking murdered him
Starting point is 00:46:16 I didn't disagree He had him at one point and held him up I think Mayweather tried his best Who knows? Who knows? All I can say is that I would be very surprised, okay? If that fight, let's just say that if Mayweather's paycheck was dependent
Starting point is 00:46:31 on him knocking Logan Paul out in the first round, Logan Paul wouldn't go around. Nothing is Logan Paul. I mean, the guy's fucking number one fire in the world. There'd be a lot of buyers too. I would get in the wrangler roll Logan Paul. He'd fucking knock me out. He's working out. Nothing is Logan. The guy, I mean, Logan's very talented to do what he's doing
Starting point is 00:46:49 and to hold his own like that. We're talking with the guy who was the best, one of the best fires in history. What is that, what would that say? And the dumbest thing I ever heard was, I think, his brother saying he'll get in the ring with Mike Tyson. Yeah. I think there's McGregor. I don't think they've called it Tyson. Even better, though. No, he said Tyson.
Starting point is 00:47:07 No, he said something. Didn't Jake Ball say that he'd get into that, he thinks when he could beat Tyson? I mean, I don't know. They're shooting a shot. Yeah, it was Canella. It was Canella. But it's working. Jordan's working. Their whole thing's working. Yeah. But if Mayweather knocks out, Paul,
Starting point is 00:47:23 in 10 seconds? We're not going to believe the sport as much. This goes back to my original statement. I would tremendous respect for what Logan Paul accomplishes my point. Like my point is like I don't mean this to be derogatory.
Starting point is 00:47:36 I think it's amazing. No, I'm giving Logan more respect. Exactly. It was like he took something and made it into entertainment and engaging and he got paid for it and people don't hate him as a result.
Starting point is 00:47:47 That's a huge victory. Versus, if you look what these other guys did, it was a fucking disaster. social gloves thing was like a disaster. Oh, they swung him as big time. Right. So you have to say they, I look at Logan's, they did it right, and he enhanced his brand. So I think that's a huge win for him.
Starting point is 00:48:03 I love him. I think he's a stand-up dude. Me too. I think he's a great guy. Exactly. I like him. Exactly. You know, I just think that, you know, Mayweather's, you know, he's a professional fighter like that. And Mike's, might make you. Do you find it annoying when you see all the Jake Paul, like,
Starting point is 00:48:17 like just getting into people's faces and like just all that, like. Not my, it's not something I personally like. but I'm nothing against Jake I'm saying I don't know Jake well I know Logan a lot better I don't like I wouldn't want that to be my brand I wouldn't like to live that way
Starting point is 00:48:33 that that's not how I want my brand I don't like it it's like a look to me it's not but you know he's chosen I think listen you have to look at some of what they do is very much like WWE professional wrestling he's just playing a role and you know you know so I have to believe he steals the guy's hat it's got it's just a strategy
Starting point is 00:48:49 you know but I like I think it's helping Dana a lot, and he knows it, too. Yeah. If I look at one of them and say, which brand do I like that? I like Logan's brand a lot better than Jake's. But I don't know who's making more money. I would guess Logan is, I don't know that.
Starting point is 00:49:07 I'd say the other way. I think Jake's probably making more money. But Logan's more of like a stand-up classier brand. Yeah, Logan's more, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I don't know what, I don't know the particulars. I do know there was some issues with some coins being promoted and stuff like that, which I think could be problematic. Right.
Starting point is 00:49:21 But I, you know. Yeah. I don't wish anything bad any of either of those guys. And they're good kids. You know, they just sometimes people do stuff that... Yeah, I don't think people realize what they're doing with that, with the coins. That's what it is because everyone's doing it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:34 Like that phase K, you know, phase... Oh, is this where you were talking about yours? Yeah, it's fucked up. Yeah, I posted something about it too. But yeah, you know, you know, I promise you. They're going to get fucked. Yes. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:45 This is not, they're not going to get away with that. Too easy. It's like, I can just make money just doing this. And you know what is that. Here's a thing. I go into these rooms, like a disqual. discord room or a telegram like you know
Starting point is 00:49:56 you guys can't say this stuff you can't say this you have to whisper it like what I was doing what I was doing like we would meet like what we're all gonna sell let's all sell we'd sweep for bugs so we would sweep we'd meet in a place we'd sweep we change rooms at the last second
Starting point is 00:50:11 sweep the room for fucking bugs and then say these guys are out that yeah we're all gonna fucking pump it up I mean let's get everyone and it's crazy you guys call me paranoid you know it's really fucked up I have one thing happens
Starting point is 00:50:23 where some company paid me on cameo, right? A few thousand bucks to, like, say, it was like, it was a crypto thing, but it was like to promote their sales. Like, hey, great job sales force, kick some ass and like somehow they edited it and made it seem like I was promoting the coin and they put it on TikTok.
Starting point is 00:50:40 I went fucking nuts. TikTok took it right down, thank God. But like the fucking, you know, I was like. So you're saying steer clear to anybody that's steer. Steer the fuck clear. Well, listen, if you believe in a coin and you want to promote that coin,
Starting point is 00:50:53 That's okay, but you better not be selling while the people are buying. But also, too, though, what things get bought and sold very quickly, don't they? In this space and in the other spaces? Just don't buy something with the intention of just talking. Right. If you were doing to promote something, then you're, listen, I'm very heavily into the stock market in venture capital. They own stakes in a lot of public companies, right? And I go out there and sometimes I'll talk about those companies.
Starting point is 00:51:17 And I'll say I own stock in this company. I can assure you that from the time I promote something, it's going to, be at least six months to a year before I'd ever consider selling it. You understand? Like, you'll never get, there's nothing wrong with going out and saying, I own this stock or I own this coin. I think it's going up for these reasons. There's no guarantees. Do your own research. As long as you then go in the next day, sell your shit while they're all buying based on what you said. So nothing wrong with promoting, okay? You just can't be selling while they're buying. But it is a fast world, though, too. Things move quickly. And sometimes, you know, not to defend those
Starting point is 00:51:51 guys, but, you know, but they're literally doing it. Yes, if you do it once, they sell it right. Oh, wow, things will move quickly. I made a decision. Yeah, if you do it, yeah, yeah, yeah, there you go. It's a pattern, it's a pattern, you know? And you're buying a stock because you, like, believe in the company. Their goal is to literally, okay, let's all just promote this. As long as we can, let's hold it
Starting point is 00:52:08 until we get all the idiots to buy. Exactly, and then we sell. I mean, I think a lot of people are just ignorant to it. They're just doing it because they see everyone else doing it. So, like, oh, this is fine. Like, but no one really realized, like, wait, wait, wait, it was a time I was getting them once a day twice a day
Starting point is 00:52:23 I had a milk coin you're gonna have to do it all with milf coin yeah the guy came to our office and shit too and wanted to give us tokens and stuff and I was just like like there was some utility
Starting point is 00:52:34 behind that like it was based off the NFTs and like every week you get a new FNFT the longer you hold the token so like I'm not saying that one was bad but it's just I don't know it just didn't make sense to do it yeah
Starting point is 00:52:46 you know I um again I think that the key to this whole thing is you got be a long-term investor and the things you're promoting. That's what people always get in trouble is they try to get in and get out while they're promoting and I made that mistake
Starting point is 00:53:00 when I was young, so I know all about it, you know, and it's very easy to get caught up in that stuff. But even then, it was very different what I was doing. It was very, very different.
Starting point is 00:53:08 This is just pure, as you said, it's pure, unadultivated, let's get together, pump something up and sell them a little, it's like that, and they don't even try to hide it. That's the shocking part. Like, guys, you should like be
Starting point is 00:53:21 saying things like we really believe this we're never going to sell like you should be saying things that like you need to be like having some plausible deniability in a cover story they don't even even try to invent the cover story these people they just manipulate shit pump it dump it and say oh there's no it's no it's not so it's legal wrong a lot of them stopped learning lesson here on the coin right no they stay what they call it the rug pull these things are like i mean i can't even believe they say these things oh there's another rugpole oops oh well oh well like yeah until after the U.S. 30, you know. Should we do golf?
Starting point is 00:53:55 Golf. Time for golf? Let's play. Let's go play a little golf. What's your handicap? I can, same thing as you. I think I'm like, I could shoot like mid-80s or low 90s. I don't know what the fuck that is.
Starting point is 00:54:05 I want to talk to you about this new coin that we're developing. I did lose, no, I, I, I, one thing, full disclosure, I've lost somehow. I think someone's stealing my fucking clubs and, like, selling them for collect designs. I'm down a 7-9 of a lob wedge and a fucking four I'll play you with fucking three clubs Jordan. Bob never brings clubs anywhere he fucking goes. This guy rents clubs.
Starting point is 00:54:26 10 cup. You're going to be the 7-9? I just like to go in. I'm missing my fucking 7-9. We're going to let this. We'll have a fun. We won't involve money. We'll have a fun like prop bet gambling game. Let's go. I'm ready. So we'll think of some of prop bet that 'll be fucking fun. I'm ready. I'm ready. We'll get it done. Jordan, you're the man. Love you guys. Thanks for
Starting point is 00:54:41 coming on, bro. I really appreciate it. That was fucking. That was cool. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. Good, good. All right. Sweet, sweet.

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