FULL SEND PODCAST - Metro Boomin x Nelk Boys | Ep. 68

Episode Date: December 17, 2022

Metro Boomin Reveals Untold Stories of 21 Savage, Future, Migos, Morgan Freeman and More! Presented by Happy Dad Hard Seltzer. Find Happy Dad near you http://happydad.com/find (21+ only). Video is available on http://youtube.com/fullsendpodcast/videos. Follow Nelk Boys on Instagram http://instagram.com/nelkboys. Part of the Shots Podcast Network (shots.com). You can listen to the audio version of this podcast on Spotify, Apple Podcasts & anywhere you listen to podcasts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We want out, we want out, we want out. What's good? What's good, bro? Man. Were you actually in traffic or were you busy today? No, for sure. No, my brother's and sisters, they get out of school at like three. Oh, nice.

Yeah, yeah, so I'd be picking them up and just getting them together. Nice. You pick them up in the Mayback truck out there? Yeah. Oh, man, they must be the coolest kids in school. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, they've become a little popular. How is that? That whip.

How is that car? I fuck with it man it's cozy he's been driving one of those too oh yeah my car broke down so I have this guy and he gave me a Mayback like rental just like a loner oh yeah like in the hopes that he thinks I'm gonna buy it probably but oh yeah yeah yeah yeah it's got a price take

it's 250k oh shit that shit then went up yeah that shit wasn't that when I got it no he's but he's got the sedan yeah yeah I got one of those too for sure yeah do you like it I like the sedan more but like the truck is like a vibe like I actually drive the truck but like I want I'm gonna drive the car for real. Is the sedan more of like one where you need like a driver?

Exactly. Because I feel like the back seat's more lit. The back seat on the sedan is like, first off the sedan is way more space. Yeah. So it's like you sit in the back and it's really like. So that one you need a driver. Like it's not, that's why I've been feeling. Do they have the head pillows in the front?

No. Or only in the back. They got pillows. They do. Yeah, it's comfy cell back there. Like even when I had bought the, um, the sedan one, I had, I was like, okay, I don't want to be one of people who got this and I'm driving there. I'm like, no, I'm trying to, I bought it for the back seat.

So I had got a driver back then when I got that car originally. Do you have a, while we're on the topic, do you have a crazy fleet of whips? You know, I'm not a huge whip person, bro. Like, you know, that's just like, I want to buy a bunch of cars. Like, I like nice cars or like just comfortable cars, but like, what do you got? I got a couple of made bags, like, I got the sedan, I got the truck. I got Tesla. Track Hawk.

That's one of my favorites. Yeah, track hog. And I got a, what's that shit? The Jeep came out with. Grand Waggeneer. Nice. I haven't even seen that. That's like my favorite.

What are those? New? Yeah, it's a new. It's a truck. Yeah. It's a truck. That's like a family car a bit too, right? Yeah, but it's like it's got the captain seats.

Then there has a third row behind the captain's seats. Like, I suggest anybody go get a grand wagon. That's a versatile collection. Have you seen a track all? flex ones you got the energy efficient then you got the family kind of track hooks are fast as fuck aren't they yeah the track like and they're loud as fuck bro very yeah those are like the toy that's my toy so do people i'm curious do people when there's a music video how many of the cars are like hit up like yo you got to bring your whip today are they rented or who actually owns

the cars um for a lot of videos and shoots like they'll reach out rent cars like for whatever the vibe of the video is but like um for the album the superhero video that me a future shot that was my made-back truck and we just took the doors off of it for the video and they put them back on yeah we uh we listen to heroes and villains all week bro fire yeah we live in OC so it's like an hour and a half to LA so we just top to bottom we listen the whole album on the way up there really yeah bro it's amazing straight up man thank you so much yeah I'm not even just saying that like yeah you were like Holy shit. I mean, you have

Travis Scott Weekend, right, 21, and future. And probably a couple other people. Right. And down to over, yeah. That's like the starting five.

How long did it take you to put that album from start to finish? Hmm. I say about two years and some change. Damn. Really? Yeah.

Does that seem long? In the moment then, but looking back, it kind of was. You know, but in the moment, it was just like, it was just continuous.

this then I thought I would drop it and it'll be like hold on let's push it back let's do this and let's do this push it back again like even the thing we shot with morgan freeman lekeith like we shot that like a year and a half ago we got to get into that too but how when because yours like different you're not like a like an actual like you're not like a rapper right so how do you when you're making an album what do you look for in like the beats that you're like putting on the album like are you really trying to make those beats like stand out since you're more of like a producer album. Do you know what I mean by that? Yeah. And I feel like I'm a producer that doesn't rap. So it's like I have to speak through

like the production of basically. That's what I mean. Yeah. You know, so it's not even like a lot of those beats they don't start out like that in the beginning. Like a lot of them will just be like skeletons of stuff like. Yeah. Ideas. You know what I'm saying? Just to get like idea going. then the artists might, um, they might do some ideas on it and I'll go back in and like, you know, fuck with it some more or, um, have another producer come in on it, fuck with it some more or, um, then do that and then have the artists go back in on it, like, you know. So when you're, like, how does the process work?

Are you making a beat like, yo, I need this one for 21 or you make the beat and then you're like, yo, this is a track for 21 or future would be fire on this? Um, a lot of times when I made beats, it's just like how, when I was in, high school like I'll just make them just like making them and um you know a lot of times like while I'm making them you might get an idea like yo so-and-so might sound real good on this or like when I'm in the mode for actual album it'll be like okay what do we need what are we lacking what do we need more of and I'll just more so like going on that like more focused but generally just making beats I'll just make them and it'll be like oh this could be cool for so-and-so or

might be in the studio with somebody and just make something on the spot, like, just in the vibe, like, you know? Have you ever sent the same beat to two rappers and picked two with more fire? All the time. Any on this new album? Where, like, two different people had the same.

We were like, all right, I'm going to have Future, try this one out in 21, and then see who hit it harder? Right. Yeah, or a lot of times, like, situations like that, I have different artists do the same beat. Yeah. And sometimes they'll know, sometimes they won't. And I'll just, well, when it comes to my albums, because it's like just composing and putting everything together, it'll be like, I'll just really take the best of both or whatever they did and kind of try to, like, arrange and, like, just build something out of it.

Has there ever been, like, any crazy wars over, like, some of your beats? Because I know that's a thing, right? Like, you'll send the beat out to, like, different people. And then do people try to buy it off you and, like, outbid each other? if it's like, because you've made some legendary beats. Like, I'm sure that's got to happen sometimes. Oh, wow, thank you. But yeah, in the past, you know, there's been times where certain people have had a beat

and then somebody else wants to put it out and wants to do this. Or, you know, sometimes like an artist, somebody I have a beat. And I might not have heard what they did or they might not have really said anything about it. And then it comes out somewhere else, they're like, yo, I was going to use that. It was like, you got to let me know that. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? because if you don't say anything like this shit got to move because when i was younger i used to

like anytime i knew somebody rapped on the beat or even had it i won't send it out to anybody else but then like a song or something might never come of it so then it's just like then i just wasted that shit and i did that for years so now it's just like um i feel like i'm in a different place now with a different kind of like respect and communication with artists to where it's like where we're just like okay because people must catch feelings too right like I always wonder that like it's such a craft like did people get offended you keep it real and be like hey bro you could you could do better on this track or oh yeah that's the only way yeah that's the only way bro you can't get away with that at the beginning right yeah i mean now it's

like they're going to listen to you they'll listen more but even like more so in the beginning like i'm gonna let you know what i think and i feel like uh over the years like the past decade I've grown from more of a beat maker role into more of like a real like producer role to where like, um, giving you feedback. I might give you some bars. I might help you start this off. I might let you know like, yo, this is hard, but it started, you started to lose me halfway through. Let's just fix that up and then keep it going. And I feel like that's like just as important, if not more important than like just making the beats.

100%. Because it's like ensuring that the song comes out, like. You know, I can't just sit there in the studio and you just rapping on the beat and I might not like it like that. And I'm just like, just going with it. Just like, okay, fuck it. Like, we'll go to the next one. Like, no, like, we gotta try to make something out of it.

Yeah, I think of like, when I think of rain drops with Travis Scott. Right. That was like a whole different, I don't know what it was, but it just hit so much harder. Yeah. So does, like, when you do that song with Travis, does he after that, if it does well, is he like, yo, we got to do a whole, like, some, you got to come do something for me? Really with a lot of people in the album and a lot of people I collaborate with often, like people like Future or Thub or Travis, even Gunna, like we, I've came up, especially

like Future Thug and Travis, like, we came up together type of thing. So it's like it's a different level of respect and camaraderie and like just chemistry overall. Like, I feel like it's all about the chemistry. Yeah. So, um, that's why I work with those kind of people, like, more often because it's just like, I feel like the vibe and the chemistry is like the core of just making good music. Because like, we're all comfortable. We all respect each other and we have a common goal. You know what I'm saying? So, uh, it only even really be like a, yo, you got to do something for me now. And also, I'm not one of those producers or just somebody that's like, um, I'm just trying to take all these songs.

for myself or like an artist has to worry like, are we in the studio with Metro? He's going to be trying to take every song with that. I'm going to do this. Like, I'm here as a producer first to serve you and serve the people and the purpose of putting some fire out. You feel? Yeah. So like me doing my own projects, that's something I love to do.

Something I love to do on the side. But if it's ever a moment, like, an artist wants a song or something like that, then I don't hesitate to just be like, that's cool because I know I could just make some more shit. You know what I'm saying? So it always works out. How does it work on this album? Is it all you, like, producing everything? Or are you collaborating with people on beats and stuff?

Oh, collaboration. Like, I make, as far as like my producer albums like this and not all heroes wear capes, it's like more of like a collaboration party. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm calling all my artists boys, my friends, and producers as well. And we're just like banging out beats, bouncing ideas off each other. I feel like just the art of collaboration as a whole, like through my whole career, like, I've gained and learned so much from that.

And I enjoy it so much, especially with people I really respect and rock with it. So yeah, the whole album is just me collaborating with other producers that I love and look up to, you know, Alan Ritter, Honorable C-note, D. Ridge, I don't want to start naming people with so many. But you know what I'm saying? And we just rock out, just like back in the day. I just it feels it feels so crazy to me to like hear you say it two years because it's like a track that you made two years ago are you ever worried like yo this isn't gonna bang the same because it's like old now um like music's evolving like fuck i can't use that like why why did it takes so long yeah uh or what made you hesitate to be like yo we could get this done in a year i feel like this just the um I don't know too much about there, a huge in that, but I'll just say, or somebody else to say, like, just the Virgo in me.

Like, I feel like I just, it's like it could have been good enough a year ago, a year and a half, but it's just, like, good to my standards, though. You know what I'm saying? Just like, I always feel like, oh, we could do a little better. Or we could get this a little better, or execute this a little better, or tweak these drums on this a little better, or just make more music to just, like, have like the whole story and everything just flow better are any of the artists like kidding you up like bro wins this coming out yeah does that ever like what songs oh on this album i wouldn't even say like like when's it coming out like press it but like hey so what did you want to talk about well i want to tell you about wagovi what govi yeah what govi what about it on second thought i might not be the right

person to tell you oh you're not no just ask your doctor about wagovi yeah ask for a by name. Okay. So why did you bring me to the circus? Oh, I'm really into lion tamers. You know, with the chair and everything. Ask your doctor for Wagofi by name. Visit wagovi.combe.com for Savings. Exclusions may apply. I'll say everybody's pretty much patient. You know what I'm saying? I feel like they, they trust the method, like behind the madness type of thing, because they've seen it before. They've experienced it with me working on their projects and just different things. When do you think you got that kind of, like, respect to where it was like, all right, at this moment, I know, like, these guys take my opinion, we'll listen to me. Like, was there a turning point?

Um. Or why don't you just even tell us about, like, the first song that you put out where it was like, this changed your life? The first song never changed my life. First song you produced on or put out yourself, yeah. I'll say it was a song back in the day, a future head called Karate Chop and had Lou Wayne on the remix. Yeah, listen to it today. Oh, yeah, that's crazy. Listen to it to Honest, too.

Honestly, that too. Shout out Spins. I produced that with my brother DJ Spence. But yeah, just that time and that era, that's where things started to like kind of like start to begin to snowball. I won't even say snowball yet, but like begin to. What was the story behind that song? So Future, I used to always send beats. Shout my boy Propane.

He used to manage me. But while I lived in St. Louis, I used to always send propane beats for rice. Propane beats for Rocco all the time. And you know, Rocco had Future Signs. So I would always send him beats for Rock. I would flood his email all the time. I was like 16, 17. I would flood his email.

With just with beats? Yeah, just with beats. How many beats at a time would you send? Back then, bro, probably like 15, 20, just at a time just trying to get in there. So like, I was always flooding with beats. And I had been heard about Future. He had the No Way Out Mix State. I was rocking with him, 1,000, but he had dropped Dirty Sprite 1.

And I remember I think I was like in 11th grade, and they just took me over, bro. And so it went from always sending the beats to Rocco, even though I was still a bit Rocco fan, to I was always sending beats for Future then. I was like, yo, 30 beats for Future, just sending them. So then one day I was at home and Rocco Cobb, not Rocco, Propane and Future had called me like, yo we fucking with some of these beats so they did a song called Hard and I was in 12th grade

so then I had graduated high school and I had moved out here to Atlanta to go to school at Morehouse so at the beginning of the semester they put the song out called Hard and I remember like walking around on campus cars would be driving by playing that shit

and it was like fucking my mind up Did you know? Did you know or did you just hear it? No I knew They told you like, yeah, for sure, for sure. I had news. So the song came out on the mixtape. It was going crazy. And then from that point now that I'm in Atlanta, me and future in the studio every day.

I would split up my time every day from school. I would go to the studio with Future. I'd go to the studio with Gucci. I'd go to studio with a scooter. And that was like my everyday, like, thing. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So being in the studio with him every day, he did karate shop at the same time.

and I remember when he was playing it it was just so different like the beat I'd be biased to a lot of my beats sometimes you know what I'm saying so if I'm biased to the beat kind of like I might not like the song so and how he approached the song

was so different I remember at first I would tell him too like I don't know really about at that point sorry to cut you off at that point are you like nervous because you're fucking well you're a freshman in college right right and futures there

like and he you're kind of he's rapping on your beat but you're also giving me advice you're like yo i gotta be careful or what i feel like it wasn't even nervous it was just like with me and him it was like uh it was just like a certain bond in like brotherhood just from day one that's dope just from day zero it was like something just unspoken you know what i'm saying and just a respect for each other of course like over time the respect grew like when we first did monster well like the first project of his like that i like executive to produce type thing.

And I remember we in the studio one day and I told him, I was like, yo, you should let me EP this shit. Like, what's up? And he was like, you sure you ready for that? I was like, yeah, yeah. He was like, all right. This is on Monster?

Yeah, it's on Monster. Yeah, Cody and Crazy is one of my favorite songs. Yeah, shout out T.M. On that coding crazy beat, that shit. Legendary. Yeah. No, but that's really how it started. And I feel like, a shout out of ESCO.

We all did that shit together. Yeah, yeah. But I feel like once that had popped off and just had the cultural impact, it did. it was just like, okay, this is just how we're rocking now. Damn, that's so crazy. So what, how did your life change when you're,

so you're saying you're going from future to Gucci? I mean, the studio with Gucci every day too back then. What were you guys working on at that point? What year was this, you know? 2012. So like trap back, trap god right there? Yeah, trap god. Trap God.

Trap God is like, that's the first tape where I had some work on with him. It's Trapp God one. And trap, oh, yeah, gas and muds on there. Yeah, gas and muds on there. I did a song called Dead Man with, uh... Yeah, that's a banger. With Trey and Scooter, appreciate that. And, but even to do that, like, I was in studio with Gucci every day

because Gucci's going to rap on a thousand beats. Yeah. But you only put so many out. So, like, we were doing so many songs. So what's the difference at that point? Like, what does working with Gucci look like? And then what is working with Future look like? If you had to compare and contrast.

I'll start with even the similarities. like they both, I've never really met anybody else they work like how they do as far as like making so many songs. I feel like so many artists coming up then watch like Gucci and Future like just work, work, work, work, make so many songs every day now that's like what everybody tries to do or like what everybody does. So like they were both just every day like five to seven ideas every day like every single day. They're not, they're living in the studio.

every day so I feel like that's a part of where that came from for me or even people like thug coming up and that's why I thought the same way thud live in the studio like you know what I'm saying like how different because I know it's a thing to uh is hit labs in Miami or what's oh hit factory hit factory yeah Miami yeah and I was there one time and I was in 42 Doug's studio and it was like a party and then Roddy Rich was in the studio next door and it was dead silent yeah people have different vibes. Yeah. So, like, what is, what was the difference? Like, is thug, Gucci and future all doing the same thing? Like, is it a party in there? Or like, who goes to the craziest, like, party-wise? Yeah, there's got to be some crazy studio sessions where you're

just like, yo, this is insane. Yeah, what's the craziest studio party? I feel like it's the same, like, even with me. Like, I feel like it's times and modes. Like, you might come in studio with Future one day and it's just him and the engineer and some candles lit and it's just dark. If you're going to have to studio dark every time anyway, like, it's down there pitch black and he got shades on. I still don't know how he does that. But you know what I'm saying? So it'll be like that some days or just some days

that have a lot of guys in there. Same thing with Gucci. Gucci, it used to be a lot of folks at the studio. Who had the most chicks in the studio? Like, is every time you just walked in the studio and you're just like, whoa, like. Honestly, it wouldn't even be that many girls in the studio as you would think.

Really? Like all the time. So they're what? Like just super professional. like on their shit? Yeah, it would just be had like, you know, the homies, like family, shit like that. Like, it mostly be that, you know, it'd be some vibes sprinkled in at times, but it wouldn't just be like a straight party all the time because, like, they're in there working.

Yeah. Like, they in there working, like. How out of place would he be in a studio session with Gucci? He fit right in. You think so? Probably be, like, engineer or something. If you don't know about signing, he wanted to be a rapper, like, growing up. Like, he wears a lot of chains.

Oh, yeah. What's your rap name? Uh, Pac-Man That's kind of hard Yeah, no, I was hard Pat man Well, I had the gas Always on me

So that's like Oh, so that's like Yeah, from a young age When I started Trapped back Changed back, that was my shit Like 12th grade 11, 12th grade

Trapped back And then I started listening to WIS When your dad bought you a car For your sweet 16 That's not true That was from hustling Yeah, from Hustling See yeah

He likes to take away from that Yeah, he likes to take away from it But when Wiz came out Of Prince of the City too Yeah Like when everyone was smoking So yeah It really changed my life

So I've been about that. So what year you graduate? What year are y'all graduate? Your high school, you're 1912. You're 93, right? Yeah, I'm in the time of 94. Same.

Okay, cool. So we're in the same. Yeah. Yeah. Hell yeah. So we grew up with the same shit pretty much. Same shit, exactly. So when you're young making beats, you're like 16, right?

17. What drew you to the Atlanta rap scene as opposed to other places? Oh, I'm from St. Louis, born and raised. I feel like it's a lot of similarities. And even the music, like coming up, I always been a fan. Or even like from somewhere like St. Louis, which they could sit in the Midwest, but it's kind of like at the bottom of them. But so it's like, it's not like we're just super regional like L.A. or New York.

You know what I'm saying? Like we caught something of everything. You know, we was listening to everything from Dipset to West Coast, the game and snooping them the down south we're listening to ujk we're listening to everything so i feel like uh i always done rock with everything they didn't do in Atlanta though you know what i'm saying from outcast to le john to i i can't even start naming names yeah real quick no one called me Pacman by the way i just won't let you know oh you just laid that up oh you got me that's kind of good though no that was uh why why is Atlanta such a hot spot for this like this rap scene and everybody

talk about Atlanta now but I feel like it's just been like that for a long time like you gotta think like I was in sixth grade when D4L and shit was out left the tabby that I was in sixth grade back then like and they still run this shit like the city is still running shit so it's like it's actually insane how many people are out of Atlanta everyone bro what like from the the hottest guys like little baby yeah I feel like it's just the flavor like just the it's just like it's just so much flavor what about like the Atlanta what's different about the like the culture that comes with the music as far as what what like I mean like like Chicago right right Chief Keith like the drill shit and then Atlanta I don't know it just seems different like it seems like you never and I don't

want I don't want to like come off the wrong way but it seems like the like if you grew up in the hood it always stays with you in Atlanta because like even geographically like how Atlanta laid out is different from most cities. And I say that because, like, Gucci still talks about, like, today, like, trapping. You know, like, a lot of those guys do. Yeah, for sure. Because, like, you know, an artist, a rapper, like, they're not here to be a role model.

They're not here to promote nothing. They really, like, I look at rap, even from Tupai back then, it's like my favorite rap all time. It's, you're really like a reporter. So it's like, you just letting niggas know what's going on. Whether you're still in the street or not, like, it's up to you to, like, let the world and everybody know, like, what's really going on. You know what I'm saying?

So I feel like it's more than that. And then, like, even how Atlanta laid out, like, in a lot of cities or a lot of other states, it'll be like, you'll have the city and then the hood will be, like, 20 minutes away or something like that, 30 minutes away from the city. Like, here, like, it's intertwine. Like, downtown, like, wherever you at. Like, it's, that shit is five, six minutes away.

So I feel like it's just always got that presence and just it's just deeply rooted yeah had you another big guy you worked with obviously he's 21 and coming off that big album now how did how did you guys originally meet um savage even before i knew ms 21 savage uh everybody calling everybody know it's little man so as what little man little man like l i l i m a m a m a n isn't that small though right that was just that's just shit Hood name, shit like that. So, like, back then, um...

How long ago was this? 2000. 13 or 14, something like that. So, like, he didn't even rap back then. First thought, every time I see his nigga, he wouldn't even speak. He wouldn't talk, he wouldn't be a little dab. That's it. But, like, he wouldn't even say nothing.

But, um, he would always be with shout Fat Man Key, my boy Key. And our boy, Q, who rap. too. So, like, he would just, he would be around. You always see him. Like, it's just, like, circles. You know what I'm saying? Like, my boy, Man Man Savage. And, um, he would be around. Like, with Sunny and everybody, like, we all just had, like, it's hard to explain. But, um, you know, just from around the way and shit. So we just see him. So one day we doing this, uh, Billboard shoot. Bill, Billboard was doing, like, a, um, a write-up on, like, just upcoming Atlanta shit. Like, I remember they had me, Sunny.

Maconan, Childish Major, just a bunch of shit from that time. And I remember he was at the shoot, but he wasn't at the shoot, like, to be in the shoot. Like, he was holding somebody else down type shit. So we're in between shots, we're just chilling. And he like, hey, I'm going to start rapping. Send me some beats. He just said it. So then I was just like, I had been new, bro, from just being around.

So I was just like, shit, all right, fuck it. And, um. Like you don't want to not send, send 21 beats. No, I ain't even like that. Like, he was intimidated me or something. It was just like, I don't know. I guess it was God. But did he give you, like, at least, like, something

Acapella at that time? Like, let me give you something 15 seconds or something? Yeah, no, I ain't even need it. He didn't even need an audition just because, like. So what if one of us was like, yo, send us some beats? Would you do it? I might, but see, I don't know y'all like that. But, like, he was just like, you know what I'm saying?

He'd be around the way so much. It was just like, but people do that all the time. And I don't always send people beats. I forget or something, but just something was over me. He just, I had sent on some beats. And one, um, it was the song called, I think it was Drip, Drip. He put on his first mixtape. They, was it, Slaughter King?

Slaughter King on his first mixtape, um, I think that was a right tape. But it was his first tape. And, uh, me and T.M. made the beat. He ended up putting that on there. And from there, we just started to slowly, like, build like a. Yeah. And then we just kept locking in. Because I've worked a lot together, you and him.

Yeah, for sure. and we did Savage Mo, and then just after that, we was just locked all the way in. It's crazy to see his evolution. Yeah, and that's a blessing. Like, it's insane. I remember, I don't know, just like his old interviews and shit. Like, to now it's like he's just evolved so much as like, I guess, like a businessman even. Everybody talks about his evolution and just how crazy it is.

Like, it's a blessing. It's just crazy to me too because I watched, like, Little Baby had a documentary come out. Right. And he had a nickname on the streets before he was doing rap. Right. It's just crazy to see these guys, like, just evolve and, like, they pick a different lane. But it just takes off. And you have no idea.

Like, when 21 sends you that beats, how many times before until he, like, pops off? Man, that was the first tape. It took a few more tapes. Yeah. Like, it wasn't just no overnight shit. Like, I seen his evolution. Like, back when we did that, it was still a lot of mixtape days. Like, this is before streaming and, like, Apple Music and shit.

Is that another guy you just, like, clicked with? And it was just like on the same page. Yeah. Oh yeah, without a doubt. That's why I put him in there like with the category that I put like Pluto and Thug and Trav. Like I put him in that because it's like it's like we came up together type of thing. You know what I'm saying and grew together.

Like you know what I'm saying? I watched him grow. He watched it help me grow as a producer and as somebody like putting albums together. You know what I'm saying? Is there ever like a time where if 21 was to work with somebody else, you'd be like, bro, like, I could have done something better for you? Like producer-wise? Yeah. No.

Like, I feel like anytime if you do something and it's like, that shit is hard, that's just what it is. You know what I'm saying? I just want to see him win, period. Just got to know who he is. You know what I'm saying? And got love for him and who he is just as a person, as an artist, as anything, even as a fan of him. like I just want to see you win yeah does does the rap game ever get like political like that I mean it's always political yeah it's always political with like artists or like more like

on the business label side or both but we're artists too yeah we're artists too um I feel like in my younger years I'm 29 now so back then where I was doing more like just people's songs all over the place of shit it was uh I was doing a lot of shit but I had got to the point eventually to where I really only work on now, like what I'm passionate about. So it's like I'm not just out here, just collecting want anybody money or you're a huge artist and you got some money

or it's a huge opportunity and just where we'll work. Like I gotta be passionate about and be a fan of you and your music, rock with you who you are as a person. And because I know how important it is just for that chemistry and just for that raw natural organic vibe, Like, what kind of music comes out of that? Yeah.

So, like, we're in the studio and it's not like work. It's just effortless. And the song's just making their sell. Yeah. I mean, I am kind of curious, like, when did, like, when did the money start coming in and when did everything, like, really evolve financially? Mm. Because you've got two madebacks now, so.

Right. We know you got it like that. And I heard you have a crazy jewelry collection. Yeah. Is that true? Yeah, who told you that? Cash. Cash.

talk to us about it a little bit yeah i definitely do and that took that took some years of accumulating you know what do you got a lot of shit bro just from and i i've never been like the flashy type so it's like only people who know me or know that i even shout at elli elionte my jeweler been rocking with him for 10 years now like he you show everybody love bro yeah got to bro you know it's him and other like of my boys who are artists who like really know and know me they always say and they'll be like they'd be like bro people don't even know how crazy your collection is so what's the craziest piece you've ever bought i got a lot of them but see like my taste ain't like everybody else's taste like i like to buy like more like uh classy rather than garty type of shit i like to rock the fat as

cuban possible oh yeah yeah what do you think about that stony rents chains though he doesn't buy So hit up his jewelry and be like, can I just have a cube in for the night? I have a thing where it's like, bro, like, I'm not going to buy anything until you really fall in love with it. So I try a lot of different pieces. So just, yeah, you know, I haven't bought one yet. It's been like a year, but I just haven't liked anything enough. No, I haven't liked anything enough. Oh, yeah.

You don't like nothing enough. Yeah, it's like a test drive on a car. Yeah, exactly. I'm not going to buy a car, but I'm not fucking weird. It just got sad. But eventually the dealer's like, yeah, you can't just be test driving cars. Then you go to the next fucking dealership. That's what you do, straight up.

Yeah, there you go. Go burn him out and go to the next. I don't know if you saw this, but today, it's all over. I saw it. Drake had a custom chain with 42 engagement rings. Oh, yeah. Did you see that? I did just see that earlier.

What's your thoughts on that? That's crazy. What does that cost you? Because they're all huge-ass diamonds, right? Too much, yeah. That's at least seven figures, right? The whole thing, I seen it was like 120-something carrots, so I was like, I know that's so good. It's 42 girls that are you supposed to propose to?

Yeah. Also, how do you have 42 options? I mean, I get that. It's been a long time. 42 people you propose to, that's a lot. I think it's like, I think it's just people that he thought about proposing to. Not like actually like 42 proposals, one knee, but like, oh, man. I'm sure a lot.

He'd probably go 42 for 42, right? Yeah, no, for sure. That's a deep meaning for a chain. It is, though. But that's the flex, right? Like, if a girl asks, like, what's the meaning behind that? Then you, like, drop that on her? Like, she's probably like, oh, shit.

But that's also, like, you had 42. options right that's they're all probably pretty you know beautiful and cool whatever yeah you know what saying maybe if you he met a booby trap have you been there of course yeah it's on the river is magic city that dope or no yeah magic magic's legendary man i was in that last night really yeah what's a vibe in there like what could we vibe there yeah yeah y'all could vibe there overly y'all love it we gotta do it bro i love it we kind of we could have did this there but you know next time Why, do you have like the plug there? You go there a lot?

Um, just over the years, like, how the clubs work out here? Like, with the strip club, it's like, it ties hand-to-hand with the music game. That's what I was going to say. It must be inspiring sometimes. Like, you got to go to the strip club to get inspired. It's a big part. Like, man, me and Thug used to do songs, and like, soon as we get done doing it, like, this one, we start CDs. I'll burn the CD on and we'll go to the club, take it to DJ, like, yo, let's go hear this shit, see what's going on.

Oh, my God. Well, that's how you know if it's a fucking. banger. How other way can you test a track than that? Exactly. And you just watch the stripper's reactions? Yeah, watch everybody's reaction. You know, vibe out, throw some money, get everybody hype, and it's like, okay, you feel me? What a job. That's dope.

Like, even now, like, for this album, like, there was a couple of songs that, um, won't do the CDs now, but I don't air drop to DJs probably like a year ago when I thought it was going to come out. And they don't play them in magic. And, um,

after that and left and there been other nights, People don't call me like, yo, they ain't here playing a song again. So like, yeah, man, it's a big part goes hand to hand. So like from years and years of going back to these places and showing love and they show love back, you build like just relationships and, you know. Is there a rapper that was pushing for too many strip club tests? Like he's like, every time you make a song, it's like, all right, strip club tests. And you're like, bro, this one's a bang, right?

I don't think we got to. I don't even think it's anybody ever just be pushing for a test. Like a lot of times we'll go. Like just the going vibe, not always like just a test thing, but sometimes we might just go there and then might not be for that and then just being there for a minute and be like, feeling good, like, yo, this out and play this. Like, you know, it just happens in the vibe. If a dancer's not feeling the song, she's not getting any bands, though, right? No. But, you know, even if they're not feeling it, they're going to make you feel like, they're going to make you think they're feeling it.

Oh, yeah, we've gone down that road. Trust me. Come on. She's telling you she loves the high hats and shit. Yeah. The best, the biggest actress. It's the best track I've ever heard. So, of course.

I mean, maybe that's not the best test, not that I think about it. Because they're pros in there, bro. Yeah, but it's about more than just them. It's like. The other, the random dudes in there. Yeah, the club, like, strip club here for us, it's more like a regular club.

So it's like, it's still flooded with regular people. You know what I'm saying? Still, it's like the dancers on the side type of shit, you know? I want to ask, how did you, what was the making like of, like, your producer tags? Because you got some of the coolest ones. Yeah. How many different ones do you have?

Like A.O. Metro. I'll trust you. Go shoot you. Bro, I'm... That one, what else? Well, you have... I'm telling you right now that you're viral on TikTok because people are playing, like, samples of, like,

what's it called, Breaking Bad? And, like, Walter White speaking into it, and it's hard as fuck. Do you see that? I saw yesterday. I see it's a trend on there now. Like, on the, okay, on the superhero, before the song drops, I have... Anthony Starr from the boys who plays Homelander

he has like a monologue like it's on the intro so you know I put the instrumentals out too so these kids are just so smart and creative it's crazy they take the beats and now they're just putting all kind of villain monologues on there like I've seen the riddler I've seen the Joker I've seen they just keep putting all kind of stuff on there

and they all sound crazy it's honestly like when when I saw there's a very specific scene from Breaking Bad it fits so perfect and I was like Like, this is, like, the hardest thing I've ever seen. They make them, they cut them and make them fit perfect. It's just like, damn. And the views go crazy, bro.

Yeah. It's fucking wild. It's crazy, bro. Have you, can you use stuff like that or, nah? Use what? Like, you don't use, like, I've seen Kodak one time used, and I know you worked at him, but he used, like, a Scarface intro. Oh, yeah.

Nah, shout of Kodak. You said, use the Scarface intro? On Haitian Scarface? Yeah. Like, is that, can you do that with whatever? Like, if you wanted to use that Walter White thing on a song, And you just got to get it clear. Even like for the boys, like, they just have to approve of what you're doing.

You have to let them hear it. Yeah. And they approve it. Like, so I say shout Anthony Starr. He didn't have to rock with that like that. I remember we had to send him the song. They're like, okay, he has to approve it, okay. And he had rocked with it.

He didn't show love, posted the album since then. And that was big for me because, like, I'm a huge fan of the show. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah. Yeah, you can. You definitely can. But you just got to go the right protocols. For sure.

Yeah. Well, so we didn't really talk about them, but what is, I know it's kind of sensitive right now, but what's your relationship like with Migos? Oh man, the Migos, when I first moved to Atlanta and I had dropped out of college the first semester, I had, I moved in with Sunny Digital and shout to Sunny. He let me sleep on his couch, sleep on his flow. for however long I needed until I had, because you know, I dropped out of school,

so it's like where I'm gonna stay, I'm not in the dorm anymore. So he let me rock out until eventually I got my own spot. But back then, it was spot, his apartment, we used to call it 516, and that's where everybody would come through because he had the studio set up. One side of the room,

he had like a production set up to make beats the other side was one to record. So it would be in there all the time. And he know, he already had new, The Migos and them from, because they are from Gwinnett from like back in the day. So they would come over a lot. We were vibe. I mean, they had put the Bando song out.

They was really bubbling in the city. It was the 18 and Up Club we used to go to called Manchin, Manchin E-Line. We used to go to every Friday and it would be me, Sonny, all our folks. The name our shit was Forbes, Atlanta back then. So it would be Forbes, Atlanta, and they was wire in. We would just go to the mansion every Friday, show out, go crazy. I mean, the first time we all been to L.A., first time in our life was all together. And we just built a bond from back then, bro, and I always just kept it silent.

And it's like we were all just growing. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So, like, my relationship and roots with them, like, them are always going to be my brothers. Like, I love all three of them niggas. Yeah. I mean, rest and peace take off. No, for sure.

When you hear of that news, like, what does that deal? do for you or man i'm not going to lie bro like that shit fucked me up like it still fussed me up every single day every single day because it's like nigger like take is literally the he's the i always said takeoff is the perfect example of how everyone should live their life like just as a human being you feel me so like it's tragic when things like that happened to anybody you know a love to fuck with but to happen to somebody like him it's just like damn not like can't be you you know what I'm saying so like it's hard bro it's hard it's still hard like it's so fucked it's pretty wild because we did little yaddy on the pod like a week

before and he's from Atlanta or he stays here right and he was talking about he's like dude people are just so weird like I don't really like to go out that much no it's facts bro it's facts so does that like does that make people like more like yeah we got to watch the way we move or like how do people how does the rap scene react to that man i don't know how everybody else react to it but me i just i've been praying ever since bro yeah still praying every day i pray for his family i pray for everyone around him like i just i pray for him every day bro because like just that feeling like it's just indescribable bro you know what i'm saying just for an unexpected tragedy to happen that's just such a beautiful soul.

It's like you can't even fathom like, man, it's just crazy. Is there any type of like solution to like what's going on with like rap and like violence right now? I guess it's not just in rap. I mean, people are killing you. I'm going to be honest, society as a whole. I remember when I was growing up and stuff and I thought the Tupac and Biggie thing was so crazy because it was like two big rappers died, but it happens so frequently now. It's like it seems normal.

Not it's normalized for sure But like everybody tries to put the emphasis on rap And I feel like it's not even rap It's just the world we living in I guess those are just the stories that are just being pushed to us Every day that's not famous Yeah You know what I'm saying

It's mom's and brothers and sisters crying Every day over senseless violence That's not about no rap shit It's just the world we live in in bro I just be praying for everybody Yeah Well it's wild Yeah

Cash also told us that you're a gamer yeah a little bit what are you what are you playing um man i've been working on the album so long so like i've had the game show on the side but i finally finished it so now i just been locked in on a new call of duty and i always playing 2k around the clock always yeah i know your boy 20 we did k sonat who's in atlanta too he's a streamer yeah and uh he played 21 for 10021k yeah and i think he whipped his ass no he lost i know savage for sure one he can't beat him you Yeah. Wait, 21 one?

I know Savage won. Did you get the money? Yeah. I don't know what they did, but I know Savage one. Why, you and 21 ever play? All the time, yeah, yeah. Really? Do you guys get action or?

What you mean? Like any bets on there? Oh, bets like that? No, not for real. No? Just like maybe like some silly shit. Must not be that good. It'd really be bragging rights for real.

That's all he'd be won. Like, he crazy. But we, uh, he loves 2K, bro. That's damn that all he do. So outside of, of like the music stuff is that something that you do just like as a hobby to get your mind off shit oh yeah i grew up playing video games so it's like it's it's a it's a good recreational tool and exercise i feel like the video game keep you in the house that's one that's a huge thing

keep you in the house keep you safe it's free keep you from spending money like it's too many advantages it's fun yeah you know so yeah i love to just sit at home and just play the game and unwind, you feel me? Yeah. I want to ask, too. I guess there's two styles for the way you work with people, but what's like the most that you've ever, like, charged or sold the beat for?

Don't have to say who. It's up there. It's definitely up there. But, like. What's the price tag? I know. It's crazy because we usually ask people. You try and get the number.

No, we usually ask how much do you charge for a feature? Right. And I think the most we have is $300K maybe. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'll say, I just want something. I feel like when it got to the point where it started getting like that, I just made a million beats. No, no, no, no, I just, like I said, I mostly work with people like stuff I'm passionate about.

So like, so you're not really selling beats. I'm not about to be like, oh yeah, future give me $100,000 for this beat. Like, no, we just. Is it ever weird when you become like such boys, like when it comes to talking about the money? Yeah, not because it's never about the money with me. So like, it's not a factor. I don't care. But you want to get paid at the same time.

I'll do this shit for free. Like, I don't care. So it's like, at this point, we just do like, because I guess they got labels and stuff, it's technical, like, we'll just do swaps. It'll be like, I don't want no money for this beat, but like. Come on my album. On my album, like, you know what I'm saying? Let's just swap it out and it's already cleared and stuff.

So that's mostly how I do stuff. I know you obviously like to show everybody love, but who's like, who's been the most passionate guy you've worked with where it was like they would stay there and do the track a hundred times until it was the best one. passionate damn you're trying to get me in trouble it's a strong word too passionate well just some guy where you're like fuck this guy will like

do the track until he gets it perfect where I've never seen yeah like just a perfectionist I guess um a lot of people I work with like that because I'm definitely like that so even if you're not on that I'm on that I'm gonna ask you to do it a bunch of times until it's like oh yeah that's it and that makes all the world a difference but somebody that's already on that I could think

up out the top the weekend definitely oh shit yeah without a doubt and i feel like that's why me and him always like click on this level because it's like you guys did low life you him in future right yeah that's such a fucking bang yeah bro you can turn that song on at any time like it's a bang or low life future's got timeless shit like that no he does that song slap so he does he does he does I love low life. When did you in the weekend in like the whole Cash show Nav's first link? I feel like Cash was always rocking with me for years. I always knew Travis first and I guess Travis had like linked this up.

It's a long time ago, probably like maybe rodeo day, something like that. Okay. And even after that, you know, me and Cash were always stay in touch. Like they weren't managed me or anything yet. But we always stay in touch. And I remember he came with the low-life thing, like, yo, we need to do this. Woo, he came with that play. And he was just coming with stuff like that.

And I remember when he first had sent me some of NAV's SoundCloud songs. And I was like, hey, yeah, let's do it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And we just built like a bond and just a rapport just from there. And then, you know, we just started really doing business together and it just snowballed into that. Oh yeah You ever made beats with Nav?

I know you guys did the album Oh yeah for sure Me and Nav had made a lot of beats The album was fired too I love that album Are that perfect timing? Yeah I appreciate that

Y'all fuck with now Yeah Nav's dope What do you think I know it's a wild time right now But you did do I won With Future and Kanye Yes bro

I remember that too What do you think about All this Kanye shit That's happening right now Does it like do you Because it seems like Some people pay attention to it Some people don't

But, I mean, you've worked with him. And you know he is, musically, he's really talented. So are you like, what the fuck? I really, like, I've been so locked in on the album and everything. Like, people wouldn't even believe, like, how detached I'd be, like, from online. All the other shit. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

I might be around people and just hear a little this and that about stuff. And, oh, and just pray for him, too. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I'm praying for everybody, bro. Like, that's it. Yeah. I think everyone kind of has that o'look on it.

You know what I'm saying? Like, it's like you might say or do certain things that I might be, might not agree with. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? But I've never really been one for the culture or just like. There's just so much shit going on right now. I would just try to just X people out or just cancel. Like, you know what I'm saying?

I could easily not agree with what you're saying and just be like, okay. Do you think you could like turn anybody into like a rapper? not anybody like what are like some like the talents you'd have to have to be like yo this kid's worth it one of the biggest things with me is I'm a producer

so I like sounds like textures so like your voice that's the first thing with me because I'm a student in the game so like growing up I already know that all the classic and biggest artists

that we've had like to really be an artist that's really going to stay anybody could just get a song or have a high album or something, but, like, if you're really going to stay, you've got to have, like, a voice of your own. Like, no matter what, we can't read no track list

or no Apple music, no Spotify, nothing. You come on this track, I got to be able to know it's you. Like, your distinct voice. And so that's the biggest thing with me. You've read, like, a challenge. Like, yo, this kid would have no chance, but, like, maybe, just maybe I could turn him into something. Um, I'm kind of referring to myself.

I don't know. You think I could vibe or not? I mean... Maybe I just come out of the studio for a little bit. Like I said, you could get stuff off. I mean, you could make somebody a song or it might work. You know, today is somebody in finesses the right variables. They might have a song, one little part, say the right thing,

end up on TikTok, and now you're doing shows, doing this. Yeah, what do you think about all that? Shit like that just be happening. But I'm talking about, like, they're real shit. Like, somebody you're going to talk about now and 10 years from now. Because it's so hard to stay in the game, bro. Yeah, I know. That's the hardest part.

It's not getting in. And it's like staying in this shit. But what do you think about like TikTok, these fucking 15 second sounds are blowing artists up, like to another level? Yeah. Like, I'm not going to say names, but like, do you think, like, are you ever just like, yo, like that shit? Like, do you agree with that? Or do you think it's kind of lame and it hurts the music industry? I'll say, I don't feel it hurts the music industry.

I feel like it's the kids being creative. I feel like, I feel like TikTok. don't harm the music industry, but the music industry trying to bend over backwards for TikTok hurts the music industry. Like you're saying you can pick out certain songs like, yo, this was obviously for a TikTok.

Yeah, or like, bro, you don't know how many like A&Rs and just rooms, even fly on the wall, just rooms I've been in with people and they'll just be like, yo, yeah, we need a TikTok song or spit, we need to have it this fast so it's on TikTok or what's the TikTok? It's just they bring it up too much. It's like, we in the kitchen.

Why are we talking about TikTok? Why are we talking about the app? That's fucking nuts, bro. You know what? Are they thinking, like, viral? Are they thinking like, yo, back? That's all they thinking because they see how, like, how quick it is, like the instant, like, gratification of it. So are these guys that are established or, like, newcomers, though?

I mean, these are established, like, bro. Really? The biggest of everybody you could think of them and the people with them are in the studio talking about TikTok. And I hate that. Give us one guy. No, I'm not going to talk about that. That's a big expose, bro. You know what I'm saying?

I feel like, I mean, at the same time, like it's not even all the artist's fault. It'll be like, their labels, like, man, shit like that. They'll be like, they're just so TikTok focused, but it's like, I feel like even for this album, I've never even had a TikTok, but I've seen how many TikToks and people will be like, yo, this trend on TikTok from the album, this trending. But that just comes from like, just focused on making good shit instead of trying to like cater finesse to some, you know what I'm saying? The kids.

Yeah, I feel like the only artist I could do that is Drake. Yeah. I'd be like, yo, because I think of Tootsie Slide. Yeah. Like, that was a TikTok banger. Yeah, for sure. TikTok banger. But he was thinking, I'm going to make a TikTok viral song.

Like, you're not making that shit for like, no one's playing that except for on TikTok, probably. You feel me? So it's like, but the kids, the kids, one thing I learned, and I think I heard, for real saying the interview so long ago when I was younger, like, the kids are always going to sniff out the good shit. Yeah. Always, no matter what. So, like, if you just focus on that and just bringing the shit, then. And TikTok is where the kids is at. So you put out a good album, it's just going crazy on there

versus you trying to, like, cater and, like, kind of, like, fake. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, for sure. We were talking about Drake in 21's new album. Yeah. You worked on that, right? Oh, yeah, I did one song in there. Which one did you do?

Millions one? Oh, yeah, more M's, yeah. More M's, yeah. Have you, you've listened to Rich Flex? Yeah. Was Drake, like, when he was gassing up 21, was that, like, Suss to you Or

Were you like Yo, he's just Getting his boy Because it did come off As like You know like The O thing You know what I mean

Like He said Well it worked You've made like three TikToks Yeah no I made three TikToks That song I feel like

They fucked around They fooled They fooled your ass Yeah I feel like They got me Bad with that Oh yeah

Like you don't want to see What I was posting You probably Wouldn't fuck with me What you was posting It's like Can I show them or no Yeah

Let me see I gotta take piss But yeah Well I want to see Well I want to see your Your fucking reaction to it It's pretty bad.

Oh, no. Look at his eyes. He's faded. Yeah, he's faded as fuck. Oh. Man, what? See, I posted that on our podcast, and I said, I don't think that type of behavior should be tolerated from a podcast host.

Oh, it shouldn't? I don't think so. We gave him a strike. though we didn't give him a suspension right off the bat but it's just one strike i'd say so it's a flag red flag yellow flag yeah big big big yellow card not a red card but not a red card but yellow card like back in the day in school they'll put the yellow card in your shit yeah i mean i'm gonna be honest i've never like i don't act like that yeah like that's not my style like he said you were faded that song had you out your element that shit bro i woke up the next morning was like yo what spell did drake put on me

Like, that's not me. Right. Like, I'm not doing that, like, whole, like. That's what the music does, bro. And usually I'm with, like, like, a 10 or at least a 9. Hey, like, that's what the whole music do, bro. This shit just, like. He just, like.

Take over you. Yeah, no, I didn't know what was going on. So I just want to make that clear, like, somewhere boys and shit. No. Don't judge me off that. No, not at all. Judge me off my wins. Off your wins?

Yeah. There's only a couple, but yeah. That's not a hell, bro. No, yeah. I was going to ask, too. What do you think is the most important thing when it comes to, like, producers building themselves to be, like, a reputable name like you've done? Because not every producer has, like, a name. You know what I mean?

Like, everyone's kind of just like a ghost producer or whatever you call it. Right. What do you think is the biggest thing that you did to, like, build a, like, Metro Broome and the name for yourself? I would say... Branding it and stuff, you know? I would say, um, aside from the visibility, I say that's probably, like, number two. So, like, back then, shot my boy, Cam Kirk. We had this vision where, like, me and him used to always talk, bro.

And this 10 years ago. And he's a cameraman, but we would be together all the time. So all these sessions I'm going to with Gucci and Thug and Future, everybody, he's always with me. So we would always talk about, like, we talked about it back then, too. That's why it's crazy right now. It's full circle. I told him one day I was like

well if we can make this shit like I'm as big and visible like as an artist but like without rapping because producers have done it with rapping

but like well you've rap too without rap I mean not like as a professional though 19 and booming no I wasn't rapping on there at all though

and that's where the vision started like even telling him back then like like we would shoot our own videos like even like off that album there's some more video

with thug we shot there in my garage in my apartment back then in my townhouse. Like, it was stuff like that. It would just be like. So you're saying like shooting a lot of content, like showing you, like working.

Yeah. Like we shoot blogs, even me in South Side Bush and barbecue. We'll shoot vlogs making beats. We'll shoot our own videos. Pull up on Thud, shoot a video. Pull up on Rich Homey Quine, shoot a video. Pull up in future, just shoot a video. We take a lot of pictures.

And that evolved into me starting to DJing. I was DJing for Thug and then doing shows, the rodeo tour with him and Travis. And they just started evolving to like a people interested in Metro thing. So like that's part of it. But the biggest thing I'll say is for a producer to lock in with an upcoming artist. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

Because you just build that from the bottom with, because I mean, it's easy to, you could be like, yo, I want to get some beats to Drake or future or Kanye West. And that's cool you could get. There's a lot of gain off of that. I'm not saying nothing's wrong with that. But the chances of that are slimmer and the payoff, you'll still. like you'll get a look off of that but I mean

Kanye gonna be Kanye future gonna be future Drake gonna be Drake with or without your beats so it's like as a producer it's not as much proven as like you coming up with somebody fresh you know what I'm saying so then this artist blows up they get they leverage you got your leverage because

these labels and companies everybody see you blew this artist up so it's like it's way more respect than that and just way more leverage just all the way around like working with an upcoming artist. That's why producers always ask me like, yo, what can I do?

What can I do? And I'd be like, lock in with somebody coming up like you, bro. I promise. So have your eye on someone and try to like grow with someone. Yeah, grow with somebody. Because then when y'all come up. Yeah, you're a really smart guy, bro.

Yeah, like appreciate that, bro. Well, that's what I mean. You don't get to like build a name like Metro Boomin without obviously having a talent. That's a given. But you're obviously, you understand the business and what it takes to build that brand, right? Yeah.

That's a tough thing for everyone to have. It is, bro. have the talent and the intelligence right yeah exactly and i feel like i'm blessed i'm blessed with that it's a blessing were you were you said you were sending roco the beats back in the day right were you surprised when he would respond or do you think like even today managers or other guys are going through emails and listening to beats like is that yeah how do how do rappers like go go through beats and stuff are they just opening folders and just do you think do you think anyone like as established as let's say future right now is going to go through so

random guy's email who sends him beats or his manager maybe no but they'll they'll fuck around and have an email or something that they engineer or something got and like it'll be an email that producers they already fuck with send beats like he might have an email like all these people like wheezy everybody they'll pull up but he might have an email where like weezy jacob me stuff outside everybody know to like send some stuff and they might be in the studio some night just want to hear some fresh shit like pull up the email see who sent what but um back then it was a lot more like like just submissions type thing

you know what I'm saying and I was doing all that like bro I was I've been on Twitter since 2009 I was some in beats to everybody bro like every fucking body I'm sending you 20 pap I'm sending you everything like just hoping praying you rap on one of these motherfuckers how do you get their attention in that email

is there any trick to that like I used to think it was I used to price of all kind of stuff at the bottom I have like credits of other artists and produced for like write a whole everything you know what i'm saying like was there anybody that you were really trying to reach out to work with that just you couldn't get their attention in the i mean a lot of most of them yeah that you worked with or you never ended up working with i feel i probably ended up working with most of them but just at the time like i mean you got

thing they just got so many people sending beats yeah like so many people sending beats maybe maybe they didn't get them maybe the vibe and the circumstance went right maybe they just went hard like that like you know what I'm saying uh but even to this day like I'd rather just be in a room with an artist because even with artists sometimes I have to play so many beats before we get to something that they like different artists are different but somebody like savage like he real picky with beats like real picky like I have to play a lot of beats he's got like a very certain like he's got a very certain like I don't know the word but tone to his beats You know what I mean?

He's had a certain vibe to it. Definitely. Where it's like really hard. Yeah. And if it's him. I don't know. That's what I noticed. And like his logic, he always didn't explain to me.

It's like he don't want to waste no time. So it'll be like it just be certain beats that he know he want to rock with. Because he in his mind, he trying to make every song hard. Yeah. Type shit. You know what I'm saying? Which I understand. So, yeah, we'll just sit there for a while just going through him.

Is there ever, have you ever thought about like, like, okay, I've done, I've done like the drill or like, not drill, but like the harder rap music. I want to challenge myself and do like a different type of beat or album, like a passion project that's way different. Yeah, like you ever brought up like a country beat or something? I mean, I got a couple side projects that I'm working on. It's not what people would be used to.

And even this album, like, just sprinkled in. This album, the last one, just sprinkled in certain like elements just to let people know you know but i've just never for my own album's wanting to just take like yeah a hard left turn and it's like oh what the fuck is going on you know what i'm saying it'd be weird like you got to let people grow with you yeah so like every time i just throw a little more of this in there throw a little more of that in there but um i mean i've done some other type stuff for sure like like do you ever make like any pop beats or anything like that yeah for sure i mean i yes but i just the word pot i'm trying to think of like what you even call it like but i know what he's really like just just

what's that what's that beaver song einy meini yeah it sounds like he was talking to me have you ever heard that no yeah i mean yeah okay okay okay go ahead no i tell them just sometimes like the fruity songs like they do slap like old taylor swift they're like no i'm not really on that like you're not listening to flow rider in the may back truck are you shout flowrider man but do you bump that in the mayback truck on the way to hear maybe to pick up your kids one time type shit like my house on the way home is it my house that was a banger too but even like i mean we're working on after hours with uh with aben we was working on after hours and we was in the studio in Toronto and I told him I was like I was like yo I always spoke with how

sometimes you do like them them like dance like type I was like I'm trying to do one of them like what's up and uh he started like humming out this baseline and I just started like do some drums with it and I played the bass line out and he did the whole demo on it and it was crazy and it ended up being a faith off of after hours. So like I love doing all kind of stuff. I did Stay Flo and Solange's album. That was a fire experience. She's definitely one of the most creative and passionate.

Like that level I told you like that he's on, like as far as like music and how much you care and how much you put into it, like she's on that level. You know what I'm saying? So that was fire. I mean, I got all kind of stuff that's just, I'm just waiting on a leash that's in all of those lanes. I just love music. I don't like to put no label on it, none of that.

I feel like for years, like, I've always felt like everybody tried to like put me in a box. What do you mean by that? Like. On your capabilities? Yeah. Or they'll be like, okay, cool, he's the best trap producer and give him like a pat. You know, like, we'll let you have that, but that's it. it's like whoever said I never even said I was that like I just I'm who does that the public

or people in the business I mean both like I mean mostly like the public and you know just the internet and shit but like I've used it to fuel me to be like okay now I'm gonna show you out something yeah or even like with this album like okay now I'm gonna show you something and just I just then used it to like keep you know what I'm saying it's made me like uh grow yeah so I mean, now when you're as successful as you are, do you still, like, are you, do you wake up and make beats every day? Like, what do you do now? I like to wake up. I work out now, so I'll go to the gym.

What time? It used to be like six, seven. But now you're slacking? No, I'm not slacking. I go at 11.30 now because my trainer, he got another job now, so that's just the time now. Yeah, yeah. So, 1130. I might make some beats before and make something after, in the shower after, and make some beats.

and just go with the rest of my day. But yeah, I still make beats all the time. Because it's why I just love to do. Like, it's fun for me. So it's like... Yeah. How do you stay, like, getting creative when making beats now?

Like, is there anything you do when you're, like, in a slump? Man, it used to... That's a good question. Because I used to get stumped on that, but I had unlocked and figured out, like, which was a lot of inspiration on this new album,

was like, just listening to shit that I love, growing up and that's where I've been getting my inspiration you know like I said like it's in my IG bio student in the game like I mean that you know what I'm saying like I'm listening to all this shit I love growing up and just soaking it in and not trying to copy it but it's like it's just inspiration it's just like just peeping the methods and the techniques and just the shit they were doing you know and you mix that in with a lot of new ways we got today and you get just fresh shit yeah you know so um anytime if i feel like that i'll just go listen to some shit uh might take a drive throw outcast that i'm on throw in magic city never go to magic you know what i'm saying

get inspired go back to the studio yeah you feel is there any artists where you're like i gotta work with them i've yet to but that's next on my list tim's uh i hit her up i'm definitely sending her some beats but her i just love her voice bro just the texture her voice is just gives me chills I know some more people shit I mean I wish Prince and Michael Jackson was around

yeah I think about that all the time like um hmm damn I always wanted to work with DMX too before he passed yeah

like I grew a big DMX fan like had the CD I used to wear like, when a dollar store they had like the dog collars. Man, I used to wear that shit, all that shit, like DMX. And like I said earlier, he's got like one of them voices. Like I'm big on the voices, bro. It's about the voice. Like a unique voice.

Yeah. Like 21 has that for sure. Exactly. So like with a unique voice, like as a producer, you could build like a soundscape around there or like it's like painting or like when I'm making a beat or working on a song or something and imagining that voice in there and just like the common. nations it's just like you know yeah so hell yeah i know you got some crazy ass studio session story or like something where you were like randomly go to the studio and you just fucking

turned a banger in like an hour a couple hours you're like yo this is crazy there's so much shit so many songs over here yeah no a crazy yeah crazy studio story i know there's some shit that's gone down in the studio but something like that or like something you where you made a track and you had no idea and it just went so crazy you're like what the fuck one thing i can't think of with that, which is actually, I guess it's probably the biggest song I've ever produced, like, just numbers-wise and everything. Congratulations with Post Malone. Oh, shit.

Yeah, let's hear about that. So, I didn't know that was, that's crazy. I've been fucked with Post for a minute, like, even before that. So, yeah, called me. I came to the studio one day, and the Olympics were going on. So, and like I said, like Post is a great guy. I love them, beautiful humans. So crazy how good of a guy he is actually.

Yeah, we got him on here. So people like that, exactly. So people like that, it's like the music will just make itself because we in there are just being pure humans. So like, we in there, we vibing. Shout Frank Dukes. I did that with Frank Dukes and Lewis Bell. Lewis was recording.

Frank was in there. And the same day, I was supposed to pull up on Cuevo at the same night in the studio when I'm working this stuff, I might see two, three people in one night, just move around. So I was going to- Is this in Atlanta? This is in L.A. Okay. So I'm supposed to pull up on Cuevo after that.

So he had called me already while I'm in there with posts. And he's like, man, where are you at? What you doing? I'm like, man, I'm in here with Post. So I had pulled a post to the side. I said, man, you ever did this song with Cuevo? He's like, no, that would be dope though. I was like, man, he just called me like,

you good if he pull up? Because like, this is still your session. I'm not just going to have somebody like, come over here. I'm not going to be that dude. You know what I'm saying? You might not be on their vibe. So he's like, you know how Post is. He's like, hell yeah, of course, of course, of course.

So I told Quavo pull up, he pulled it up. And me and Frank, and they're making the beat. Me, Frank and Lewis, working on the beat. And Post was just writing some stuff. And like, I remember the Olympics was on the TV. And just how the music was sounding, it just sounded like some championship. And I had said out loud, I remember saying, I was like, we need to make some stuff. Whatever song we make, that shit needs to sound like how this shit looked.

you know what I'm saying so he just ended up going post laid his shit down even while the beat going you see Cuevo already putting his shit together in his head and it just all came together I remember like when the song was done we played it a thousand times and everybody's just in there like what the fuck how did this happen that's a fucking dope story you know what I'm saying how how long was that like because does Cuevo go there knowing like you know I'm going to get on some track like he has no idea he hasn't heard it no I mean he just knew like shoot we're gonna fuck around and just like when we go to the studio we don't even think about it too i was just like we'll go over there fuck around like you know maybe a song come out of it that'll come out maybe

nothing will ever come out but it's just like we vibing and everybody intentions was pure so we're just in their viving and it ended up being uh how good does it feel when you listen to that back and you're like holy fuck this is it yeah man it's crazy like even that shit going diamond diamond plaque being in my house i'm like man what the fuck that's that's she was on a humble, I could have easily not pulled up to the studio that night or just being like, caught him the next day. You know what I'm saying? That's why you never know.

How quickly does that song get made? Like, how quickly does, like, Cuevo step in and then just lay down his first? I feel like, from making the beat to recording the whole song. You guys made the beat that night, too? Yeah, we made the beat on the spot. Like, while we're making the beat, like, post is, like, putting the song together, like writing the song type thing. They're both, like, doing the song, like, as we're making the beat, they're, like,

making the song and then once the beat is ready they just recorded their parts and how quick after you recorded it did you drop that i'm not sure how long they dropped after it was maybe like some months or something maybe a few months and at this time i could sit on that though if it's like you're like yo it's such a fucking banger like how do you not like yo let's put this out like asap i mean it's his song and like for his album and shit so like sure i can't just be like yo post drop this song tomorrow like i'm working on so much different shit i'm not even thinking about it. Like, so I just see an email, like, okay, they're going to drop it. Even when they said it was going to drop it. I'm like, cool. I'm not looking at it. Like, I was going to be

this huge diamond record. I'm like, okay, cool. It's another good song. We just, it's like, it's like, tunnel vision. It's like, okay, that's done. I'm grateful for it. It's a blessing, but we're not, like, I'm not stuck on it. You feel me? What, what songs did you record when you knew, like, yeah, right away, this is going to go fucking crazy? How about Bad and Boogey? You were working on that one, too, right? Yeah. Did you guys know that I was going to do that?

When you... No. Hell no. No idea at all. I mean, I knew it's hard. Yeah. You know, I knew it's hard, but like, it'd be hard to gauge, like, how shit's gonna perform. There's so many variables that go into that.

It'd be time. It'd be what's going on. It'd be how it comes out. It'd be so many different things. So, like, even that, I had, um... I just text offset a few beats. He was recording his stuff at home. And I remember he'd be.

He had texted a song back. I was like, oh, damn, this shit is hard. He had texts two songs back. He sent that and no complaints back. I was like, damn, I was like, these shit is hard. So we was just always playing a song. I always listened to in the studio and everybody would like react well to it. But I never would like with a guess like, oh, number one, this that, this that, this that.

But you know, it's a blessing. It's so wild that you guys like go through all this to put out tracks and we've had a lot artists on here and it seems like you just never know like yo which one's really going to take off you don't you don't like as a producer in my ear like I always I don't know like okay they'll fuck with this or like this shit is hard but I don't never know like numbers well this going top 10 like it's just like oh this shit dope yeah like to me that's probably a good way to look at it though too yeah you trick every then you treat everything the same yeah so like when shit do happen like it'd be a blessing and a surprise it'd be like oh damn like that's

What's up? Yeah. 100%. Have you ever produced Dressed as Spider-Man or no? Nah. I might should try that probably. I'll probably try that now.

Next time you're in a slump instead of taking a drive, just dress up the Spider-Man suit on and just make some beats. Yeah. Like, what's that nigga that be in New York with the Spider-Man suit on? We just fucking saw his ass.

He tackled me to the ground. No, this isn't like a thing, by the way. What do you mean? He brought that out. Well, you're only showing my L's, bro. I do have dubs. He'd be wearing the Tim's. Yeah, he's fucking wild, too.

Can he say he's drinking Hennessy? Yeah, he had a henny was talking to his girl. Yeah, she'd be here right now. Katie, that's not about this. You're supposed to her? Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. You want to not? I'm done, I'm done.

Spider-Man. Oh, and he got the hat on? What's going on right here? Nice. What is he on? Bro, he stays with a Hennessy bottle. No, you keep the head. At 9 a.m., he's fucking, there's a quarter of it gone,

and then at 2 p.m., there's a whole new bottle. He drinks two bottles of Tennessee a day. Like, I am convinced. Damn. Yeah. And he's dressed as Spider-Man. And no one- I'd be seeing him online.

That should be funny. Yeah. I'd be laughing. I mean, he's aggressive, but yeah. He said he's aggressive. Yeah, he came out me hard, bro. Do you watch, like, any, or, like, are you on TikTok or do you watch creators, YouTube, anything like that?

Creators, YouTube. Just like any YouTube blogs or, like, any other things? Outside of music. Well, no. Not there's nothing wrong with it. I guess I'm just like... You don't go on TikTok at all? I don't even have it on my phone.

So you're afraid you're going to start making TikTok songs, or...? Not even that. It's just like, it never appealed to me like that. I guess because I'm older. I mean, I'm 29, but on top of that, I'm an old soul, so I feel like I'm like 50 something. And I'm not one of those people that's like, oh, it's TikTok some bullshit. Like, I embrace it.

I'm like, that's hard. Like, young folks going crazy. crazy with shit. So it'd be that. And I just don't, everybody I know telling me how addicting it is. So I just told myself, like, I don't need another app on my phone. I'm just scrolling through mindlessly. Yeah. I just don't need that for me. It's already enough of that already. Yeah, it's addicting. I can't get into it. Everybody tells me it's addicting. I only open it when I'm posting on our account and then I don't consume tics off. It's the most addicting app of all time. I just don't consume it. You got to think about it. You just fucking thumb swipe

and then there's hell of videos. And like you said, everyone's so creative now. Everybody. Everyone's funny as fuck, bro. And I see the effect it has on people I know or like, girl, just people who be around, like, I'd be seeing them like mindlessly like for the longest and won't look up. It'll be like 20 minutes. I'd be like, ah, damn. I was like, no, I don't need that.

Are you little brothers and sisters on it a lot? No. My youngest brother, he's eight, so he ain't got no phone. He don't need one. My sister, she's 12. She's a old soul too. She'd be on YouTube, really. She, like, do, like, Marvel edits on YouTube.

That's her thing. Whoa. Like, she makes— She's doing the editing? Yeah, she does it. She's 12. She turns 13 next month. And she's big on that.

Well, that's fucking amazing. It's crazy when you see the kids, like, they're, like, four now, and they're, like, they have a phone and they're just like— Yeah, but my little brother, who's eight, he doesn't have a phone, but he has, like, an iPad he'd be on all the time. What, he's in architecture? Yeah, he'd just be on there, like, he'll play. games most of the time or he'll be on YouTube watching like Mr. Beast

and shit like that. And he'll watch people play video games and I always tell him I'd be like bro you don't know how crazy it is to me back in our day yeah

like nobody's ever watching nobody play a video game. It seems like the biggest waste of time bro. It's like nigga it's my turn like we used to hate watching niggas play the game like you're under the controller

like it's my turn. No but that guy has to be like fuck i mean how do the fuck do you watch that i never got that either like how are you watching 30 minutes to watch somebody else played the game when you could go play that right now like he has PlayStation all that here you got four night you got all that shit yeah but he's gonna watch somebody else play if you're really into the game though like you appreciate someone watching it that's like nasty at it like when i was really into cod i would like watch sometimes people stream on twitch because like they're just so nasty

yeah see that's a big that's how we're cut different because like my attitude is like yo i'm gonna go get that nasty. You never pay the console. That's my attitude too. That's my attitude too. So that's that connection. That's why we got to go to the studio. I dust you and cod anytime.

No, I mean, that's, old cods especially. That's maybe why we should at the studio, like, straight up. Yeah. Maybe. You never know, right? You never know. One more thing we didn't talk about was like how I was working with Morgan Freeman.

Oh, yeah. Sorry, we got to talk about that. I noticed you, did you not give yourself any lines in that script with Morgan? Like, were you, like, intimidated, like, acting with them? No, it's so crazy. When we shot it, I had a few lines. And I did say some lines. And what? You just wanted to ask them?

No, it was Gibson, Shad Gibson has it, who directed it. We had a cut, I had some lines in it. It's not even like I fucked it up or whatever. It was just regular. I did well. I feel like I did well with the,

but seeing that and then just seeing it without me saying nothing, I was just like, it was just so much harder. It's like mysterious, yeah. Yeah, you know, because like I've seen this ongoing thing online where like, And people always be like, yo, I've never heard Metro talk or I watch on these comments, they're going to be like, yo, this is the first time I heard Metro talk.

Like, people always say that. So I just thought it's so cool to like just have that big of a presence and impact on shit. And it's like, yo, he didn't say nothing. After it came out, everybody told me the whole time, like, yo, this shit was crazy. And you ain't say nothing the whole time. Who's idea was that whole concept and shit? Man, Gibson, man. He's crazy, bro.

like it was like two years ago i remember he had and like the way his mind works he just be like so when he was telling me like the whole vision everything like how he verbally said to me is how he edited and ended up i mean it's like yeah and then you're gonna be the top of pyramid then you're gonna pull out and you're gonna drive out the fucking shit and go down the shit and this that this that's gonna be fire truck and i was just just hearing that first while i was seeing him like yeah that sound crazy like yeah let's do it but then when he did it i'm like oh shit like this is exactly what you said it would be in better and more so yeah that was him were you intimidated working with morgan freeman like what was he like meeting him um tell us that's he could have been stoked

to you yeah maybe the legend bro just in the presence are just i ain't felt like that really in front of too many people probably in front of anybody ever just like uh like this go way back beyond music like come when we grew up watching here and morgan freeman You know what I'm saying? So, like, even having them on Savage Mode, too, like his vocals, that was one thing. I was just like, damn. But then, like, to shoot something and, like, really be acting, like, doing scenes with him and just chopping it up in between. Man, he's cool, bro.

He's so cool. Like, just funny. I feel like he'd be trolling. How so? Yeah? Yeah. He doesn't seem like he's trolling. Does he?

I know, but that's why it be funny. He's that good? Yes. I mean, it's Morgan. Freeman, if he says something to you, like, he could. Why, did he say something to you? I feel like he knows that. I feel like he knows that.

No, it's just certain shit he would just stay on set. And it'd be like, you'd be like, yo, is everybody gets serious. And it's like, everybody's stepping up and like, oh, well, he has that kind of power. You know what I'm saying? But it's like, over time and just certain shit he would say, I'd be like, I know what you're doing. Like, you know, you know this is how we all perceive you. Yeah. And it's like, he's just playing with it, having fun with that.

Like, but. Well, he's like narrating shit or like saying some powerful shit. Or just like. Yo, everybody better get this fucking take, right? Yeah, just certain shit, bro. Like, not even that, but just... And the set's wild, Loki. Man.

People like, yeah, we didn't sign up for this. Like, it would be certain shit, and he would be like, they ask him to do something. He'd be like, I'm not doing that. Why would I do that? I'm in Shawshank Redemption. He said that like 10 times that day. He has a point.

But he knows he has a point. What are you going to say to that? But what are you going to say to that? It better be something serious that he has to do. But, like, over time, I know it's like, that was just his humor. Like, because he knows how serious of a figure and voice and just presence he has. Like, if he says something, even if it's a joke, it's like everybody's just all wondering. Like, is he joking or is he serious?

What is your best response to that when he says, yo, I'm in Shaw Shanker. Then you just have to walk away. You probably don't have to do it. You're right. Unless it's something he really has to do. He doesn't have to do it. You're right. His jokes, when you're that successful that you can just be like cocky as fuck and everyone's like, oh, yeah, actually, you know what?

Right, like you're just that, you're just that guy. Okay, yep, you're right. Yeah. I remember we was in between scenes one time and we just standing next to each other. Like, we would just chop it up in between scenes and we were like side by side because we had to like act like we're looking out over the city. And he had just turned like this and he had looked. And he was like, he was like, how do you make all that music with them tiny ass ears? Oh, bro.

And then I was just like, that let me know. like I knew I was like nah see I did you be trolling bro so I was like but he he keeps a serious face oh yeah for sure did did you did you hesitate like y'all I'm gonna fire back some shit at you no no I was just like the first thing I thought about was you definitely had a diss ready though nah I knew he was serious though because like I told him instantly I said bro it's so crazy you saying that because back in school like I don't say you made fun of like I was getting bullied or something But, like, when niggas are cracked jokes, that'd be their go too. Like, they always talk about, like, how small my ears are.

Or people always have said that for years. So when he said it, I was like, oh, you're funny. But, nah, that was crazy. Damn, that's wild. Yeah. Hell yeah. Fuck, yeah. All right.

Metro, thank you, bro. We appreciate it. Man, thank you guys, man. Thank you for having. Thank you, man. Thank you, thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Let's go. Let's go.