FULL SEND PODCAST - OJ Simpson x Nelk Boys | Ep. 69

Episode Date: December 18, 2022

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We won out, we won out, we won out, we won out. Gentlemen, gentlemen, gentlemen. I haven't done this in a while. When was the last time you did this? Long time. Long time. You know, obviously I get invites, everybody's asking. But, you know.

Do you ever entertain those or no? No. just no reason don't care it's like uh for what i mean it's you know it's uh if it's football like i've done a couple with guys from buffalo so i guess so i guess i have done it not on tv but they're mostly with writers or or radio right yeah we appreciate you coming yeah i try to keep it in in the sports world you know um not that i'm mine i don't i'd still away from last century. Yeah.

You know, because I did a ton of those interviews back then, and it made no difference. Nobody changes their mind. Nobody, you know, so I don't mind talking about other stuff, you know, like anything that happened this century. 100%. Well, it's a pretty crazy episode of the Full Send podcast. We got O.J. Simpson. We're in Vegas.

We appreciate you coming. Yeah, no. No problem. It's home for me. I've been living in Vegas now for what, six years. I was living in Miami, and I had planned to go back to Miami after my stint in camp. But it was like everybody here, every restaurant, it was like they were all apologizing to me for what this judge did to me. Yeah, in the most recent case, in the robbery case.

Yeah, yeah. But robbery, it was my stuff. yeah you know um and i got it you know california ruled it was my stuff and they they gave it to me so i do have most people don't know that yeah uh but it was it was my property that uh some friends who i thought were friends had somehow stolen or got the hands on and they were trying to sell it and uh memorabilia right yeah memorabilia it was my memorabilia you know i hate it when the media of say oh it's memorabilia guys no this is my stuff stuff. My mother's wedding album. You know, pictures of my kids been born, all kind of stuff.

Now, all of it wasn't in that room because, but the guy that they were trying to get to fence it made them send pictures. And he kept calling me and he sent me pictures of what they had and said, juice, look, you know, I could sell this stuff for them and make money, but this is personal stuff these guys shouldn't be doing this and one thing later to another and nine years after you weren't even you weren't even the one armed right pardon me you weren't armed at all yeah and the guy who was armed had a license he was a security guy he was given his license by the state of nevada so you get a 33 year sentencing right how do you even react to that always say for what what did people said that that was the judge like went harsh on you do you think that was too

of a sentence? Harsh. I think people would agree with that. Everybody knew what that was about. So, you know. So what's your mindset when you hear that? You know, I'm a firm believer in the legal system. I think you could disagree with it.

But either you're going to honor it or you're not going to honor it. I was convicted by a jury. You know, I will question how in two trials. a civil trial, and this trial, 24 jurors, not one was black, that, you know, decided my outcome. That always kind of bothered me, but I do believe in the legal system. So once I was convicted, when I got up to Lovelock, I told a juror, I told the DA, I mean, I'm sorry to warden, I said, I'm going to be the best inmates you had, you've ever had here.

And I think when it came time for me to get parole, he pretty much made it clear. even though it was another warden by then, but they all made it pretty clear that I honored the outcome. And, you know, you can't say you're an American, and you believe in the legal system. We see it all the time now. Yeah. You can't say that.

And then you dog, when you don't like the outcome, you dog it, right? Obviously, I didn't like this outcome. I didn't think I did anything wrong. Both of the victims didn't think I did anything wrong. They thought I shouldn't have been the guy to go. But we, once again, we all know what that was about. Yeah. And but I was convicted by jury.

Yeah. So I felt it was important that I honored that. So let's talk about those nine years, though. Okay. You never talked about jail too, right? No. No. What was it like?

Uh, it was, you know, prison is different than jail. You know, jail is horrible. if you asked me, right? Prison and the prison I was at, it was called Lovelock. It was a couple of unusual things. One, it was probably more whites than there were blacks and Hispanics combined. It was unusual in that probably 70% of the people there were there for some kind of sex crime.

You know, so I don't know what that says about you got. But it was, you know, guys were all come up and they'd choose, you know, because most of the guys felt I shouldn't have been there. And they felt they would have punched the guys that had done something with the guys. But I would tell them, look, man, I'm just going to do my time. I'm here to do my time. And I, you know, I'm not asking you why you're here. I don't want to talk about why I'm here.

I just want to do my time and go home. it was for me because early on things a couple of things that happened uh where i ended up had to mediate some stuff going on with like other people and well you know you you know in prison you got serenials you got nartanials uh i mean you got 88 you got adubs you got What is it? Gangs? Gangs, yeah. A-dubs is Aaron Warriors. The dubs is Warriors. Shereonials are mostly Southern California guys, Hispanics, and North Daniels are Northern California guys. We had a real nice athletic program there. And because I was coaching a team and I loved a softball team. You didn't play? No, no. That doesn't make any sense.

Well, my knees are gone. I got a bad elbow. The only thing I'd do is swing a golf club with me. But I coached these old guys because there was a team called the Braves, and they were Mexicans, or Hispanic, but they were Mexicans. And they had won three years in a row, and they had been undefeated the previous two years. So I had this group of guys.

It was like five white guys, four or five. five Hispanics, four or five black guys and all kind of older guys, right? And I'm coaching them and we made it to the championship against the Braves. And I got to tell you, it's one of the highlights of my life. I remember it was a sixth game. We got cheated out of the sixth game and a couple of the guys on my team. To hell with these guys, I quit. I'd say, man, look, come on, guys.

You're going to get to play a six. seventh game. Who's ever got to play in a seventh game? How's like serious was this taken? Like very, very serious? Yeah, sounds like a very serious. Yeah, it was. Baseball league. Yeah. Well, the basketball, too, in soccer, but this is softball. And, you know, I talk my guys is, come on, man, we're going to play this game. And in the seventh inning of the seven game, we won the game. And you would see this group of, hey, let's face it, murderers, rapists, you know, robbers, running to the mound, jumping up and down like literally 12-year-olds. These guys were so happy, and it was an interesting day because the system, the jail system,

knew it. They brought the guys over from what they call high-intensity, you know, the protected guys. They brought that yard over, and they stood at attention. So the entire prison was watching this game. This is kind of crazy. Like, are you recruiting guys or? No, no. It's just, you know, they had this team and they asked me to coach them.

And I just coached them, yeah. Nice. And what year do you think, like, how far into your sentence was this? Maybe the third year. Okay. So what else were you doing there to, like, stay busy? Well, my job was at the gym. When I first got there, they put you in, like, protective custody.

And I had to argue with the Wharton that put me on the main yard. I don't want to be in Protector Custy. And he would say, you don't know these guys, OJ, these guys. I said, man, I didn't grow up in Brentwood. You know, I didn't grow up in Brentwood. I probably know these guys as well as you know these guys. Now, all the guys knew me, most of the guys were sports fans. And I was probably the most easily protected guy there.

Nobody ever got out of line with me. I remember there was a buddy of mine there, and we call him Bellagio, because he had robbed the Bellagio. I don't know if you all of you remember with the motorcycle helmet and all of that stuff. And he was playing for another team and coaching and playing. And we got into an argument at the third baseline, right, over a puck. And he's kind of yelling at me and I'm yelling at him. But while I'm yelling at him, I could see all of these brothers running across the yard, right?

And I realized, hey, something's about to happen, right? So I had to say, guys, guys got done on, man, come on, man. We're just arguing about this play, right? They were coming to back you up. Yeah, yeah. But my guys were the shot callers for the serenial shot callers for all the guys, you know. we had a situation where we had this, this black guy, I guess. They have what they call a store.

You know, on store day, you could buy stuff, you know, ramen numerals or stuff. A lot of guys got money, so they buy a lot of stuff. And then they sell it during the week. You know, when I first got there, cigarettes was, you know, the money, you know. Then they stopped smoking. after about three years, and then became stamps, became the thing. And this brother, we knew he stole this little Hispanic guys store. And we knew it because that night you smell popcorn all over.

Him and this guy, they got popcorn. So the next day, I noticed that in one of the other units, outside of units, that a lot of the Hispanic guys were getting together. I saw it was apparent what was going to happen, right? My cellie was a guy named Smoke, and he was a shot caller, and I said, Smoke, you know, man, get them together. And I said, look, guys, I will pay for everything and replace everything that this guy stole. But y'all can't, you know, y'all can't take it beyond that because we go all get locked down. Yeah.

We'll be locked down for a month. We won't be playing softball. We'll be stuck in our rooms, you know. And I think that, not, it wasn't what I was trying to do, but that put me in a position from that point on when there was things going on. I would be the guy that they would come to kind of mediate. So then nothing happened? Nothing happened. Nothing happened.

So you're like the godfather of like. Well, I don't want to call myself the godfather. But most of the time, what you end up doing is saying you and you go in the room and just the, the two of you and they'll go in the room and they'll tat one another up and they come out and more than not they'll shake hands and it's over yeah you know opposed to you get in it that his friend helps them the problem was sometimes like let's say you got a big black guy and you got a little Hispanic guy one thing i'll tell you about the Hispanic guys they will fight yeah they will fight if they have to fight right um so you couldn't let the two of them go so you'd get the

shot caller for the for that group wait so you'd make it an even fight yeah he would have to have his sergeant of arms of his own group take his guy so you're like the godfather you're like the coach you're like the dana way i was just the guy that they came to to kind of mediate because i i wouldn't take in any sides what was your relationship on the other side with like the warden and the guards well they they all you know i only had one problem with a guard and all the time i was there. I mean, the warden, both wardens that were there pretty much let me know that they thought I got a raw deal, you know, but what am I going to do? I was convicted, I'm here, and all I can do is try to be the best thing that could be. Do you think you got any, like, special treatment just based

off your status and who you were? No, there was no, no, no. I didn't have one write-up and all the time I was there. You know, I was, I was me. I do what I always do. Yeah. You know, so, no, I didn't, I didn't have any write-ups. Uh, uh, uh, and you got guys who try to hustle. You know, I got tons of mail, tons of mail. So what I would do on Sundays, uh, get this, be a group of guys and we go, this one room, and I throw all the mail out and they would take their portion of the mail because they were all looking to get. But, you know, male buddies, girl, male partners, you know, stuff like that. What's a male girl partner?

No, I didn't, I probably just didn't word that, right? They were looking for male partners, so people to write them. Most of these guys got nobody. Right. Yeah. And so they would get the letters. And unfortunately, you would have a couple of guys would try to hustle me. and hustle the girls.

There's a lot of letters. If I could do anything for you, O.J., let me know, blah, blah, blah. Girls were writing you that? Yeah, yeah. And they send you pictures, too? Yeah, yeah. So you're getting nudes in jail? I can't say nudes because the prison actually reads your mail.

The warden takes a look first. He keeps some for himself? Yeah, I didn't trust any of it, you know. Yeah. You get catfish like that, Notre Dame guy did. Monteteo. I never believed any of the pictures. Even though I did, I have since met one of the girls that had written me and had sent me pictures.

And she's everything that. Did any of these girls come and visit you? I wouldn't have taken them. Yeah. I wouldn't have accepted them. Anybody like come and visit you? You were surprised or like? No.

All, you know, all my friends came, family and friends, you know, the ones I expected. Yeah, they all came. Was there anything scary, any scary moments in jail that you witnessed? Like, not necessarily involving you, but just anything you kind of witnessed, like fights or crazy shit? Well, you know, you've seen fights. I don't know how to word this, but we call love like prisony land. Prisonyland? Yeah.

Because it, you know, in this state, you've got Ely and High Desert, the way you can get shived at any time. It wasn't the case at Lovelock. What was interesting about Lovelock is that it probably had more lifers than any other prison. And that would make you naturally think that it would be super dangerous. Yeah. But it wasn't because these guys knew this is the best they ever going to have. The lady who cooked for us, she tried real hard to make sure the food was good. We had so much freedom.

I mean, during the course of the day, you're out of your cell or out of your unit far more than you're in it. We had basketball league, senior basketball league, soccer league, softball league, volleyball league. We even had an Olympics during the course of the year. So these guys knew that this is the best thing I'm going to ever have. Yeah, I was going to say with all these serious convictions, why is it like it there? Why is it like this? I'm sorry? Like, you said it's all murderers, rapists, all these serious like?

Well, mostly sex crimes. Well, but it seems like it's. I can just tell you what we thought was because it was mostly white. But it's so much freedom. I don't want to go there, but that's what we thought. Yeah. You know, but. It was, it was an experience.

And that was that jail in Vegas? No, no, it's, it's in the middle of nowhere. In Nevada or Cali? Nevada. Okay. It's up outside of real. Everyone's probably committed some sort of sex crime while they've been in Nevada, though, right? Yeah, I mean, it's got to be common here.

I mean, I mean, probably. Yeah. Yeah, it's, it's, it's in Nevada. It's, it's hard to get to. And it's, as I said, because of so many sex crimes, uh, It's almost the only prison that these sex abusers could go to. I give you one example. This guy, he got dumped.

He was up a parole, and he got dumped, a three-year dump, I think. And he was so mad that he just said total award, he wants out. He wants to go down the high desert because his family all lives in Vegas. And it literally takes you about nine hours, criss-crossing the state getting up to where Lovelock is. So they kind of gave him a warning, but he still said, no, you want to come to a high desert to be closer. So his family can visit. And literally, a month later, he was back and they had tatted him up. They had tatted him up pretty good down in high desert.

Because in prison, they know what you did. You know, there's that in prison telegraph or whatever. They know what you did. in a lot of prisons, you can't, you know, you can't be a rapist, especially with kids and stuff. So, yeah. I mean, did that make you feel like out of place being in that kind of situation with all these people? Well, I feel out of place. I was out of place to begin with.

But, you know, you try not to ask guys, me personally. I don't want to ask guys. Some of them you know because you saw them on TV. And you, I took a course. You take these various courses and there's this one course called Victim Impact to where you have to write to your victim and you get up in front of everybody and you have to say what you would say to your victim. It's a hard class for me because I thought I was a victim. Yeah. You know, but this one guy we call him Big Ten, which he didn't like, but I don't know.

This is cable. What is this? YouTube. You too. Okay. Fuck him. It was our attitude. Because in that class, he said the boy was a big tent.

Yeah, but he was a big tin. And at that point, I walked out of the class. I mean, and the lady who was teaching the class said, you can't do that. You got to stay in there. I said, I can't hear this guy. Yeah. I can't listen to this guy. Yeah.

And so you do, you know, you do see situations. You've seen them on TV or you've seen them somewhere and you, you know, you just, hey, man, stay away from me. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. What are the things that you do in there to, like, keep busy? Is there any other hobbies you picked up? Well, I worked at a gym.

So I started my day. I normally didn't go to breakfast. I, you know, I would buy milk and cereal. and you can buy ice and you get an ice chest. So your milk lasts with two or three days. So I'd go straight to the gym. I worked in the gym with about 12, 15 guys. And we get the gym ready.

And, you know, we worked in it. That's what we did. And then we managed a lot of the games. I would have to clean all the weight, you know, spray it, spread all down and everything. thing and uh that's essentially was my job then um by time lunch came around you can do pretty much what you want you know the yard was always open uh it's interesting there was this guy he was from texas and evidently he had something to do with the uh the adubs you know you're maybe the

original addubs and uh he he was a texan and i don't know why he was there, but I guess they would get them away from, from Texas, you know. And A-dubs are the Aryan warriors, and they're the probably most militant of the Aryan groups. Well, he never really spoke to me. I didn't speak to him, but, you know, I'd be cleaning this stuff. He'd come up, pumps mine, and it was pretty cool. Then one day he said to me, out of the blow, I mean, after about a year, He said, man, I don't know how you do it.

I just looked at him. He says, you know, I had an argument with my old lady that you didn't get beat up here. And she wouldn't believe me because she says it was on TV and it's in the media. That you were getting beat up? Yeah, the National Enquirer and TMZ

had so many stories about me, right? It's funny because there was about 15 banks of phones on the yard. 15 phones. If I told you how many times when I'm walking the yard, guys would say, hey, man, man, man, tell my old lady, nobody beat you up. These guys would be arguing with the old ladies

because they would be writing all these crazy stories, you know, about me almost getting shibbed and I'm crying on the yard because these guys were attacking me. At one point, I had a gay gang that protected me. I mean, it's just, just crazy. But anyway, the guy said to me, he says, I don't know how you do it. I say, man, I just don't pay any attention to it. You personally never had any confrontations in there?

No, I mean, I had an argument or two over some stupid thing, but never where it reached a point where it could be a confrontation. And I think most of the guys knew that it wouldn't be good for them to have a confrontation with me. For sure. Why? Because so many friends. so many of the shot callers were my guy. Did that nine years, going into that, did you, when did you think that you'd be eligible for parole? Because it was supposed to be 33, right? I was at, I think, with two and a half, three years,

when California ruled it was my property. So when California ruled, it was my property and gave it to me, I figured I was coming home. But going in, you thought you were going in for 33 years, right? No, I knew it was 9 to 33. So I hope springs eternal, you know, it was just, who knew? Right. I was shocked that I was there.

As I sit here with you today, I don't get how I can go to a room that I was invited to by this reshiel guy. I can walk in the room and see my personal property. I yelled at the guys I didn't threaten them both of the guys made it clear OJ didn't threaten us And how did they get your personal property Moving

Okay I moved from California to Miami At one point When we were in Miami Every time I used to do interviews I would Get Elway

Marino or whatever To sign a ball for my son And when we're moving We took all air out of the balls and put them in the trunk. When we got to Florida, my son would say, dad, all the balls are gone, you know, but what am I going to do? I mean, I'm trying to raise two kids. I've just left California. I've moved to Florida. And I asked this one guy who they claim they got it from, I'm not going to say his name. I don't get on, get on.

anybody anymore. I asked him, man, what happened to all of the stuff, man? There's a whole lot of stuff missing. And he said, OJ, you know your sister had those Mexicans, you know, at the warehouse doing that and they,

you know, what do I know? What am I going to say at this point, you know? My only thing on my mind was, I'm trying to raise two kids. Yeah. You know, so, hey, it's gone. Right. But But now, these years later, when Richel sends me pictures of the stuff that they got and gives me an idea who did it, got to understand, these guys are guys that I did book reports with their kids.

One guy, the main guy that was in that room when his mother was dying from cancer, she's a big fan of mine. So by once a week I'd call her and sing the very thought of you and she'd just laugh, you know, and I would call her and sing to her. I was a friend and you're stealing from me and selling my property. Of course, I was pissed off. Yeah. You know, but hey. Did that nine years in jail, like when you look back on it, did it, does it feel like a blur or like does it feel like a whole chapter? Yeah, I don't.

It doesn't feel like it was a long time. You know, I mean, when you're doing the same thing every day over and over and over, it all becomes the same thing. Yeah. You know what I mean? I got a question. Can I pop on it? Of course.

Yeah. What do you think? Okay. You ever try to seltzer before? Say what? Have you ever tried to seltzer? It's not a beer, right? It's a hard seltzer.

It's pretty good. But anyway, these are guys who were my friends. Yeah. And, you know, it was, it just hurt. I mean, it really did hurt me. Well, I mean, from what we've heard, it sounds like everyone kind of agrees the sentencing was unfair. But something that keeps sitting with me is how you talk about the softball championship was so big. Oh, it was such a high.

You want to go back and let's talk about USC and just how, I mean, obviously that had to be bigger than the championship. One in the national championship, my first year. See, when I came to USC as a second semester sophomore, it was February when I got there and I ran track and we won the national championship indoor and outdoor. and I was on the record-breaking four-by-100 relay team. We shattered the Olympic record and the world record. So we won. This is before you play football? Yeah, it was before football season.

So I was a track guy. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So we had won both indoor and outdoor track championships. And for me, that was, you know, terrific, you know. And then football, we went into national championship in football, which was just at that point maybe the highlight of my career, you know. I was watching old highlights of you at USC and it's just like it's pretty incredible to watch.

Yeah, it's insane. Just like all the runs and like you're literally just like a fucking snake. Just like it's crazy. Yeah, well, we beat UCLA for the, for what essentially was a national championship because they. Who was quarterback at UCLA? Gary B. Ben. Yeah, yeah. Okay.

And he beat me out for the high husband that year. And he, I was a fan of his. He was from Northern California. I'm a Northern California boy at San Francisco. And I cheer for all Northern California guys. Brady, Aaron Rogers, at home, Northern California guys, I cheer for all of them. But anyway, we won the National Championship. And then there's some IU guys in the room.

Yeah. We played IU in the Rose Bowl that year, my first year. And the Vegas line was that I would outscore their team. And I did have two touchdowns, and they only had six points. This was in the Rose Bowl? In the Rose Bowl, yeah. Whoa. What was it like going to USC?

It was unbelievable. You know, I never thought I could go to a school like USC. I only went to college was, I was, we finished. high school football, December, I get, end of the December. And my, um, um,

um, my best friends, all kind of quit school. You know, Al Cowlings, you know, driving the Bronco. Ronnie Patterson,

uh, but my mother wouldn't let me quit school. So, uh, I'm, uh, that spring, Ronnie Patterson didn't wait there at the two friends program.

And me and my buddy Al, we were going to go in together. They say you can serve together if you go in together back then. Ronnie went in, went to camp, went to Vietnam, and by June, I think, he was back at veteran hospital, minus the leg, and he was screwed up. I mean, he was totally screwed up. and we went and saw him and I left the veteran hospital and went straight to city college because you can, if you were in college, you didn't get drafted. Yeah. You know, so I went straight to city college, tried to find the coach to see.

I knew it was late to get, you know, registered, but I was all city, so I think he can get me in. And they got older to him at home and he got me in city college. And as they said, the rest is kind of history. So you win the Heisman, then you go number one in the draft. Yeah. Something I don't understand is your first coach with the bills, right? Oh, yeah. John Rout.

Everyone knows you're the guy that gets the ball, you can run, and he tries to turn you into a wide receiver. Yeah, he's got to run around. Why is that not, like, talked about it? How do you react to that when you're like, bro? Yeah, were you pissed? Because you have a shitty coach, and you're stuck in Buffalo. Yeah.

And Buffalo's worst team in football. That's how they got the first pick. That's how they got me. Yeah. No, this is John Rout. I don't know what it was. He was the Raider coach. And I guess the Raiders,

they may have gone to the Super Bowl and lost. I believe that's the second Super Bowl. In any event, he quit the Raiders because Al Davis got a haul of. Yeah. So I think once he got the Buffalo, he wanted it to be about him. And all they were talking about is me, right? So me and the guy named Paul McGuire,

a punter we used to talk about which one of us that he ate the most of Paul or I and he just had it in for me why you know

I have absolutely no idea now you got to understand the Raiders they weren't a halfback running team all their great running backs were full backs and they were a passing team

and that's the team he wanted to develop there well then why do you drop to running back first overall Well, I don't think he drafted me. I think it was John and Ralph Wilson had drafted me. Did you talk to his wife a little too long at, like, the draft party or something?

No, it was apparent that I just wasn't his cup of tea, you know. And so I went two or three years there in Buffalo. Did you ever think, you know, I got to go to this guy and say, give me the ball? Well, you say that all the time. Yeah. You know, but, you know. Did it ever make you want to quit football? It was a whole different, it was a whole, yeah, yeah, it was a whole different, it's a whole different thing then, you know, you couldn't, I, I was ready to quit after three years and ruin all, it's just going to put me on Monday night football.

So I actually did the original tour with Keith Jackson and Howard Gosell for Monday night football. I was working for ABC. Yeah. ABC hired me before the bills hired me so I was working for them and I was going to say hey quit I'll do Monday night football

do you remember what your bag was back then when you got selected first overall your signing bonus and all that it was nothing it was 50,000 or something like that but you got to understand back then it was a different day different time

guys weren't making that much money nothing like they do now yeah you know well you had by the time i retired i was making like twice as much sure then i guess it would have been joe naming twice as much as the next guy right um so then you have that breakout year you break jim brown's record yeah and how much how did that change your life off the field well the year before uh when i was going to retire uh a guy named harrigan who was head of PR. He came to LA and he told me, O.J., look, we got, we're going to bring loose saving back. And I know L.S.A. was a good coach, especially for a running back. So the year before, even though we weren't a good team, I led the league in Russia.

Oh, shit. I led to the league in Russian. Then he brought in some linemen. And he told all of the wide receivers to put cages on their helmets because we're putting our money on this Scott pointing at me, right? And that became the 2,000 yards season. Now, I never thought about 2,000 yards. Reggie McKenzie did. He was talking about it all the time. As the year went on, obviously, the break Jim Browns, you know, was something because Jim, I knew Jim. I, you know, used to play a little basketball up at his house. I used to play chess. If anybody knows Jim, Jim is he's not the easiest guy. Who was winning?

For me? Were you beating him in one-on-one or a chess? No, not in basketball. I couldn't beat him one-on-one. I beat him the first time I played him in chess, and maybe the worst thing I ever did, because then you can't quit, right? You got to keep playing, right?

But years ago, when I was a kid, I ran in the gym after a 49er game, and me and my buddies at ice cream shop outside of Kezar Stadium, and I told him I was going to break all his records, right? uh uh you know they told that story so um as year went on that year i'm looking at i can see that i got a chance of of getting jim right i'm not thinking 2 000 yards only reggie mackenzie was thinking that but all those last two games i had two huge games and uh

what was it like living in buffalo you hated it was it was different especially then it was Do you ever cross up into Canada? I'm from Toronto. Did you ever cross the border or no? Oh, yeah, all the time. You went to Toronto? Yeah, I went to Toronto. Would you do that anything?

The underground railroad was a rest flight. Because Toronto's like a lot better than Buffalo. Yeah, back then, certainly. Well, even now, Toronto's pretty fire. Buffalo's gotten all right. Buffalo's a little better than it once was. No, we went to, we went over to Toronto. I actually, yeah, we went over Toronto.

What'd you do there? Went to Hamilton, you know, went there and went out to clubs and stuff. we had a couple of guys that when we cut them they got picked up by the Hamilton Tiger Cats you know back then a Canadian team could have like three Americans on the team oh really they did limit that to make it fair yeah back then

I don't know it might be like that now I'm not on probably we compete in some sports and like it's not fair American versus Canadian something I found interesting is when you broke that record you gave every lineman like a bracelet right yeah and you put engraved the total team rushing

yeah because we broke the we broke the league record for team rushing also yeah but you didn't include anything by yourself so what where did you develop that like this isn't just about me it's about everybody like a big leadership thing too football is a team thing i always like team sports uh when i was a young kid i would come to Vegas and work for my uncle and he was a trainer And he kept trying to get me the box. And I was boxing this big Mexican guy. Every way I hit him hurt me, you know. And he kept telling me to stop, stop and fight, stop and fight.

And I just, I wasn't into that, you know. So I grew up in San Francisco. They have great parks of recreation system. I was a baseball player, and that's what I wanted to be Willie Mays. He was my hero, and Ernie Banks is my cousin. So it was all about, you know, baseball, and it was all about team sports. I've always been a team sports guy. Got it.

And isn't that, after that season, all the endorsements are coming in? Well, actually, the endorsements came in. I played in a Rose Bowl against Ohio State, and they beat us. I flew the next day to Hawaii, and the following day played a hula bow, because that's the way the week kind of fell. I got back to L.A., and the guy was going to use as an agent said Chevrolet, you know, John DeLorian was running Chevrolet, and that Chevrolet made us an offer. And R.C. Cola has made us an offer. And Rune knowledge at ABC wants to talk to us. So I literally was signing those deals, like within a month of the Roseball.

What I remember most about it is Just Hill, who is the USC athletic director, called me in and told me they were taking me off scholarship. Really? Because I was now going to make money and you can't make money and be on scholarship. Of course, my argument was, I finished my football obligation. Yeah. This is why you're at USC, right? Yeah, USC.

I said, I've finished my football obligation. I don't get it. Did any like boosters ever approach you? Boosters? Yeah, like USC? No, I met so. I'm, you know, obviously I met boosters. And back then, you sell your tickets and stuff like that

because you got that amount of tickets. Yeah. The first, actually, the first money I got was when I came back from Hawaii, there was an envelope from Bob Hope. And it was $5,000 in an envelope. Because I had done a Bob Hope special. And, you know, that was the first month. of any consequence I'd ever had in my life.

Got it. I saw at that time, too. That's when the whole the racism thing was going on with and all the Olympic athletes were like kind of taking a stand. Yeah, that was tough because I knew all of those guys. I, in junior college, Tommy Smith, Lee Evans, John Carlos, these are all guys I ran against, you know, all through junior college and even at USC.

and I remember Harriet which was always pushing guys to to you know take a stand and I think a lot of us was just my stand was I wanted to get my mother house I wanted to get my mother out of the projects get her house right that was the stand that I was taking I think that stuff still goes on today though right there's a lot of pressure with athletes to kind of out of pressure yeah so what made you not want to not want to like be part of that at that time well it wasn't that i didn't want to be part of it i mean i i went to events you know supporting it and i certainly supported uh lee evans i'm sorry tommy smith and john carlos but even they'll tell you that many of the people pushed them a little bit into that sort of disappeared um you know when it was over and when they really needed some help you know they're sort of disappeared but um there was all kind of guy you know people forget how many people are in the olympics people forget george forming walked around with the american flag so it wasn't like everybody there was there fighting uh the the racial thing i mean it is crazy because you think

about it you pretty much were the first like african-american athlete that's through the face of Chevrolet yeah you got rcola hurts so did you think of that as like i'm changing the game or Was it just more like, well, I felt that I couldn't screw up. I definitely felt that way that I, I couldn't get in trouble, you know. You can't screw up. You can't get in trouble. I was, I was well, well aware of how many people were looking at me. Yeah.

What do you think it was about your character that made them so drawn to you? I like people. Yeah. I think I got a good sense of humor. I like people. So then at that point? And I didn't take myself too serious. Seriously.

Were you always like that growing up? Like, did you always have that natural likability? Yeah, that's what all my coaches used to always say. You know, you know, I don't know where you were going from here, but it's like we were talking about the Donald, right, today. And I always said that's what I always liked about the Donald. The Donald that I knew, not the president, but the guy I knew, said he had a great sense of humor.

He could laugh at himself. He told great stories. How did you two, like, link? Just around, you know, in New York. I lived in New York doing NFL live, and we kind of had the same taste in ladies. What was that taste at the time? Oh, well, they come on. Models.

Models, because he knew, you know, I leaned forward. I knew I leaned forward. I had dated Maud Adams for a while, one of her top models. And we found ourselves at a lot of those type of events. So you and Trump are kind of like wingmen sometimes. Well, I would say we were. That would be a pretty deadly duo in Trump. Yeah.

Especially that word. At that time, yeah. We were what I would call, we were very friendly acquaintances. And I got to tell you, I liked him. I liked him a lot. I thought he was really, really funny. When I was in camp, and he was first running for, president and you know a lot of guys were saying he was a racist I said well you know I never really saw

him as a as a racist I saw him as an elitist he was a guy that if you got money and you're doing well he was cool with you no matter what color you were right so that's sort of how I saw not don't get me wrong I'm not talking about president Donald Trump sure just talking about this guy that I knew back then you were a groomsman at his wedding right pardon me were you in his wedding yes yes on his wedding and uh you were a groomsman not really i kind of sat with the family though yeah wow do you remember what year that was uh that would have been like uh 94 okay yeah who was at that that wedding um was a clinton was a hilly clinton there uh i believe so uh who all like that must have been star studded yeah my my date was tony katane at the at the and uh you know how it

was there, Stern. I was on the board of directors of Infinity. So in a way, I was sort of like Howard's, you know, that guy, well, Howard Stern's guy, you know. Wow. I ain't going to say boss, but, you know. Oh, damn. Howard was there and Howard was always in love with Tommy.

It was kind of funny because he was talking to Tommy when I walked up. God bless her soul. And he introduced Tony and I. and we got into this soulful kiss, sir, and I, and he's looking at it as he said, oh, you guys know each other. Oh, shit. Yeah.

That's funny. He's a legend. You like him, Howard? Yeah. You know, Howard was Howard. What do you think? Like, and when did you get drawn to like this? Because you obviously became an actor,

but what, what drew to that Hollywood, like, lifestyle and who kind of brought you there? Yeah. You know, George Lucas was my. T-8 and Cinema One-90, you know. In the summer, I worked at the studios as an extra, and they get your bumps by reading the line and stuff. Even to this day, you would see USC guys getting more TV gigs, even in sports, than anybody, you know.

So that's what started it. I was, they were, I was holding out for the, for the bills. And they were doing this show called Medical Center with Chad Everett. And they asked me what I'd be interested in playing this character. And hey, hell, hell, why not, right? So they made me read for some CBS people. And I read, it's okay, you can play the character. Turned out, they made it.

It was supposed to be the seventh episode. End up making it the premier episode of the show. And I got good reviews. And then when I came back from Buffalo, a neighbor of mine was Annette Punicello and Jack Chalardi. And our kids played. So Jack and I would, when I walked in a neighborhood, sometimes we'd talk.

And we went out to dinner once, and Erwin Allen was casting the Tower in the Toronto. And we're at a place called Pips. and they were having a problem because they wanted Steve McQueen to be this architect. Steve McQueen didn't want to be the architect. He wanted to be the fireman, you know, which they worked out. And Jack said there are one, what about, you know, you got a part for him? Oh, you said, yeah, I think I got just a part for him.

So I end up getting in that show. and then every all season when I came home there was a movie I'd go to Africa or Rome it was it was nice you know I wanted to ask about Trump too you said you liked him as a friend but not as a president what did you not like about him as a president oh you know when I say I like a lot of his politics a lot of stuff you know I didn't like this whole wall thing because I thought it was going to be a waste of money um there's something that's divisive and I didn't know him to be that, that divisive kind of guy. But I don't think anybody could really argue the fact that he's been kind of divisive.

He's definitely divisive, yeah. Yeah, I honestly felt. I like him. I like him, but yeah. He's definitely divisive. Yeah. Who cheats more? You or Trump?

I've heard you guys both cheat. I can't say. I ever saw I cheat. I can't say that. What did he say the same about you? I play with Clinton. And the thing about Clinton was. anytime there was a really bad shot, one of the guys would say, oh, Mr. President, I was moving

in your shot. Oh, Mr. President, I was talking. He didn't drop a ball and he hit another shot. We had Trump on the podcast, too. Oh, did you? Yeah. And so I got to play golf with him, too, and they kind of do the same thing with him, too, like that.

Like, I don't think it's him cheating, but if he'll hit a ball, like, it's fucking in the woods, and then someone will drive up and drop one and be like, I found it, Mr. President. Yeah. Well, he wasn't Mr. President. when I was playing Right He got a hole in one before that, right? Yeah,

he got a hole in one I think where it was either You witnessed it? Yeah. You witnessed Trump get a hole in one? Yeah.

Was it just you two or were there was it a foursome? There was other people. I think it was a Dan Marino golf tournament. Okay. And in

in, and is that Fort Lauderdale or Hollywood, whatever that golf course? No, I saw I can get a hole in one. Holy shit. That's pretty long.

No, he's easy. He can play golf. He can play golf. What's your handicap like? Like, what do you should? Well, Before I got this sciatic problem with my back, I was playing two and eight.

Right now, I don't have a clue. I got some issues right now. You still play a lot of golf right now? Yeah, no, before this back, I play Monday, Wednesdays, and Saturdays. I play Wednesdays and Saturdays now until I can straighten up this back issue. What is like your day-to-day or week-to-week? kind of like lifelike right now. What are you doing on like a daily basis?

Mondays, I, Mondays, I, it's kickback day for me. I mean, I'll play golf sometimes on Mondays. Tuesday is the total pay bills kickback. Wednesday I play golf with a, in a group, it's about 40 or 50 golfers. And on Wednesday we'll probably have 15 or 20 of the guys. Thursday is, I'm on the couch.

I'm a couch potato. I go out Thursday nights. Where? Well, you're actually in one of my spots. This is a spot? Yeah, it's one of my spots. What's so far about this spot? That one, the food's good, the women are gorgeous, good music.

And it's an upscale place. It's nice. Nice. And then Friday, the weekend, rolls around. Friday, I could be a bum on Fridays. Saturday, I played golf and I go out Saturday night. And I go to a cigar bar later on and have a cigar. But his store, I mean, normally I'm in bed by midnight.

Yeah. I don't stay up late. Nice. I'm a pretty state life. I don't do a whole hell of a lot. I think people wonder, like, how do you, like, make, like, a living now? Like, are you living off old money? Are you, like, still making new money?

Like, how do you kind of make a living? No, no, I'm a pension. Pensions, yeah. What's that mean? I live on my pensions. Pension. Yeah, yeah. You know, you always got people after you for this or after you for that.

You know, basically pensions. I mean, look, I could go out and do a hundred things that people are always trying to get me to do. But my life now is, you know, my mother told me that you reach a point in life where the only thing that really matters are your kids. Well, I'm at that point with my kids. My grandkids are the only things that really matters. And fortunately, my son is here in Vegas with my granddaughter and my other son and my daughter, they're here a lot. And my daughter, I got a daughter lives in Florida.

She's actually out here now. So, you know, I, I'm fortunate. I have four terrific kids. When you're out and about, do people ever, like, heckle you? ever say anything negative towards you? Every. I mean, really blue moon. I couldn't even tell you the last time.

You know, no, I don't get heckled. Let's go back to that Hollywood stuff. Because I know you have some crazy untold Hollywood stories. Some parties for sure. Anything that you were like the man in Hollywood and. No, it was a good time. You know, I got invited to everything back then. And Hollywood is Hollywood, you know.

Were you ever, were you ever, like, shocked or star-struck by anybody? That was a fan of you? Well, you know, I did a movie with Sophia Lauren, and that would, that just blew me away, right? And her and I got to be good friends, nothing romantic, nothing at all. But just she liked my personality, and I would go to their house in Rome and play poker with her and my cello, Mastriani. It was really something. Then when I came back from football, my agent told me that Sophia is doing another movie and she wants you in it.

So then I did a second movie with her. And I would say she was probably the most gracious and just terrific person I had ever met in Hollywood. You know, she was great. What about how to, going off that. How did you and Kardashian become friends? Bob, see, Bob's brother was a cheerleader, a song guy. Bob, too, at the FC.

They both went to the FC before me. And I actually met them playing tennis. I was a big tennis player. We just picked that up. We've just been running tennis a lot. Yeah. So I've been. How was your game?

I thought I was the best celebrity tennis player. Everywhere, anywhere back then. So, but you were actually good? I was very good. You know, I won. At the Dinah Shore thing that we did with Nabisco, I played with the Rocket. Me and the Rocket played against Armatrodd Brothers and meet them. I won in Monte Carlo with Prince Finier, but that was kind of easy because they wouldn't

hit the ball hard at him. So you would play with Kardashian a lot? So we played a lot, and we played at Harry Rothschild's house. And then Harry, let me see if I can get this straight in my head. Harry went through a divorce, and Elvis Presley went through a divorce. So Elvis's wife, in the buying, Rauchal's house. And that's what we would play. That's before I got my court and before Bob them got their court.

And she would let us continue to play on the golf course. What people don't, nobody seem to know is that Bob Kardashian and Priscilla, they went out for about a year. Actually, they're just like, that's Elvis Presley's wife? Yeah, Priscilla. I'm picturing Chris, like coming to the tennis court in a tight skirt giving you guys water. No, no, no. When I met Chris, I was actually... And then Bob goes to the bathroom.

You guys kind of chat a little bit on the court. No, no, no, no, no. When I met, when we met Chris, Bob came home from New York, and he said, and you got to understand, he was a total bachelor, him and his brother, Bob and Tom, total bachelor. And Bob came on from a trip in New York months and said, I think I met the girl I'm married. She's an airline stewardess. and this is while he's with chris right chris who jenner all right let's back up here yeah yeah i thought we're talking about Kardashian no we're talking Kardashian yeah yeah so cadashian's coming back from a trip to new york got it meets an airline stewardess he meets an airline stewardess who is chris

you know and he tells me he's met the girl he's going to marry and it was chris wow and uh i think we went out that night. All of us went out that night. And hey, you end up marrying Chris. How'd she look back then? But see, I know, you know, people have their types, right? I always thought Chris was a cute girl. She was really nice. But, you know, I was dating. I don't date supermodels. You know the rumor. You know the rumor. Yeah, but the room ain't true. It's not even nowhere close to being true. no it's just that i've never been attracted to her and uh i'd never suspected she was ever attracted to me so you know that was that was never a case because yeah people some people think like you might be chloe cardassians real dad no i'm not because like kim's like five five

courtney's like five three and then chloe's like six foot two family say something about a cook or something but i don't know i i can't i can't say that i know i i i have there's a video of cloy that just came out. She throws a football 40 yards. You seen that? She's doing it further than I can. No, I'm just kidding. She didn't do that. No, Chris, I don't know. Chris, when her and Bob started having trouble, she would call me and Nicole.

And I don't, we were friends, and I don't think you share stuff when people are going through a friend stage. But, and I've never really spoke about this publicly. It's been so long. It's like you might as well. I was in the, we were in, um, Palm Springs at the Nabisco, um, sports big, you know, used to be down ashore and it's Nabisco.

And it's all these athletes, you know, that, that's there from all these different sports. And, uh, we're on the team, Nabisco. And, uh, Chris now is with Bruce. And, uh, I played golf. Paula Barbieri, and I had my two young kids with me, and I had come back to play golf, and I sat at the pool, and Chris came over and asked me if I was going to play golf tomorrow. And if I did, could I invite Bruce because Bruce is shy, and Bruce, you'll never go and ask these guys, could you please invite him to play golf?

I said, well, look, Paula's got to do a shoot-up at Joshua Tree, so I don't, I really don't think I'm going to play golf tomorrow. All right. Next day come. Breakfast. I'm at the pool. I'm reading a book. My kids are in the pool. The girls are in the pool. And Chris comes over. And she's with one of the Garvey girls and says, OJ, are you going to play today? And I said, no, you know, I got the kids here. The kids. And she says, OJ, we're here. You know, my kids knew Chris and Bob, they knew them real well, you know. She says, my kids say, we're here, we'll watch. Sidney, she's got a phone. I mean, a key to the room. If they get tired, they'll go to the room.

When we eat, we'll all come on. Bruce would love to play golf with you. Come on, you know. Well, I'm not the hardest guy in the world to talk into playing golf, right? Yeah. It's right. Well, he's also an Olympic athlete at that time, right? Yeah, but Bruce is a different, different egg, as we now know.

So anyway, go play golf with him, get back, everything is cool, everything is great. A couple of years later, I'm fighting for custody of my kids. And Chris is on, I don't know if it was Katie Couric or the View. And the conversation is me fighting for custody and what kind of father, what am I? And they asked her, and she said, well, all I can tell you is we're in Palm Springs once. And he took off and played golf and left his kids by themselves at the pool. Oh, shit. I think it's the last time anybody other than a family member dying or something that I literally cried.

I mean, I cried. I thought I had always been a great friend to Chris. I always liked her. You know, I always thought she was a good person. And at that time, I think they were just building the Kardashian name. And it hurt. Yeah. It hurts now.

Sure. I'm getting emotional now. It hurts with, especially with these your kids. These are my children. And you beg me to take this guy to go play golf, you know? Well, we didn't get to play with Bruce. We played with Caitlin. But how is Bruce's game?

Bruce was a good athlete Caitlin's game was pretty fired too Caitlin was good Did he play better than me A lot better than you Yeah Like you can't even fucking

She actually She actually tried to play Reds I put a stop to it though I said get the fuck back to the Blues I'm telling me I used to be a member of Sherwood I actually A few times took him to Sherwood to play I was a member of Sherwood

And all my buddies That still were at Sherwood one day called me and they were pissed that you know this is supposed to be one of the world's great athletes and he's trying to play the women's teeth. No. Yeah? No.

Reds. Yeah. She can like bomb or driver too. He's saying back then that Bruce was trying to play the Reds though. No, he wasn't Bruce. This is when he became. Kately. Oh, I see. Okay. I mean, if it's money games, you might as well, if it's money games, you might as well, if they'll, you know. No, he doesn't play money games. That. Yeah. Right. The problem with playing with him for me was he's a little boring, very smart guy. But he didn't gamble. He didn't talk shit. Yeah.

My group of guys, we're from the mom at Ali's school of golf, right? We're talking crap, but not why you're swinging, but we're doing, we're having a good time. Talking about takes. Did you get a lot of action? Like, would you gamble on there a lot? Say what? Would you gamble on the course a lot? Back then, yeah. Any, like, big, big games with anybody? For me? Like, anybody crazy, any big games? No, we played a pretty hefty game, yeah.

Were there ever any other athletes or, like, actors that would come try and challenge you? Well, golf is not where they challenge you. You play golf, you got a handicap. I was at, you know, the Riviera Country Club was my country club. And sure would, for that matter. So, and at the Riviera, you had a pretty standard bet, you know, $50, seven ways, you know, automatic presses and, you know, sand, you know, sandies, greenies. So, yeah, you had a pretty standard betty.

Were you close with the Kardashian, like, kids, like Kim? I love them. I love them all. And I still do it to this day. You know, they were, Bob raised them as good Christian girls. And to my knowledge, you know, love. I've seen one episode of the Kardashians, you know, and that was years ago. Not because I don't want to watch the Kardashians.

I just don't watch reality shows. I've never watched Heart Knocks. I've never seen an episode of Hard Knocks or anything. But the one episode I saw was years ago something about a pole in the bedroom or something. And I think it had more to do with the Jenner girls than the Kardashian girls. But the Kardashian girls are, to me, they've always been sweet. terrific girls, you know, I loved them in. I love them now. And I think Bob would be incredibly proud of. How close were you with them? Like, was it like an uncle, like type?

Yeah, we were family, you know. Um, we took vacations together, you know, and stuff. You know, it's funny because, uh, the TMZ guy once on TV, I was watching these. He said that him and Bruce weren't, and that, uh, they didn't take me. I'd never taken a vacation. with Bruce Jenner. I'd take it many with Bob Kardashian and with Chris. I was going to Kabul once with my kids and my girl and Nicole. And the day before we left, Chris called and say, I hear you guys going to Kabul and you rented the house.

Do you mind giving me the name of the people you rented to the house for? No, I gave it a name. And next day or something, they showed up there. We know each other. We're at the beach, staying in the same neighborhood. So, but we weren't on vacation together. Right. That's just the way it sort of turned out because.

Was that hard for you to see, like, Chris go from a good friend of yours to Bruce? Like, did it? No, that didn't bother me. I was actually at the Kennedy compound when Bruce said, somebody wants to speak to you on the phone and uh and i uh picked up the phone and it was chris and that's the first time i totally um realized that uh bob and chris were really splitting up i thought they were the greatest couple they were so good together that uh you know it's kind of hurt the sim split that's crazy that she started as an airline stewardess i didn't know that

no i never heard that either yeah well i don't know what she started as that's what she was doing. Ah. You probably started even lower a bit, right? It's kind of a fancy. I don't know. But she was a flight attendant when Bob matter. And then she just came up over like kind of like getting in that circle?

Got to give her credit. She's like she's done a hell of a thing. She's done a hell of a thing. You know, you got to admire it that she's done a hell of a thing. Are you following any of what Kanye's been saying? You can't help it. It's everywhere, right? Are you active on like social?

media? Yeah, I'm on Twitter. I try to keep it light and airy and mostly about fantasy football. What do you think, have you seen that Elon's taking over Twitter? Yeah. As a fact, I sent a message on Twitter to him that maybe I found, maybe I could finally, now that Mr. Musk, maybe I can finally get a check. You know, why they would never give me the check. Oh, you don't have a blue check? And I've been doing it. I had some days, I have millions of, and I only do visual, you know, but for some reason they wouldn't give me a check. They won't verify you?

They did not verify me. And it made no sense to me. And the only thing I could think was because there's like 10, 11, 12 other Simpsons, maybe they want to keep all of them there, all those phony accounts, semi-alive. I don't know. Yeah, that's odd. Which we know as a problem. How I couldn't get a check,

it didn't make any sense to me. So, yeah, with the San Francisco 49ers, just about that, how that felt for you being from close. Yeah, I wish I could have been, I wish I could have been the juice. Yeah. When I got there, I wasn't the juice.

You know, I had knee surgery. And, you know, they would just get ready to turn it. around. My last year there was Bill Walsh's first year there and Joe Montana's first year there. Oh shit. It was a parent that they were going to be good. Yeah. You know, but I had knee

my knees. I was going to ask how many how many like serious injuries do you think you took from the NFL? Concussions like do you think you had like CTE was a factor? Well look back then you got knocked out You got dinged. They take you this sideline.

They pop that pneumonia capsule. They said, what's your name? OJ. He's good to go, coach. He's good to go. Right. That's crazy. It's all it took.

Especially back then they didn't give a fuck. If you could walk, you're in the game. Yeah. It was a different game. It seems like from what, like just from what I've seen, like football, you did love football, but there's a point. It seemed like even with the bills, you're just like, yeah, I don't even care about this anymore.

Well, no, I always love. loved it with the bills, but we just, you know, I wanted to be traded. I went up and did the Olympics and didn't go to training camp one year because they let a couple of key guys, Ahmad Rashad and Earl Edwards go. And I said, he has been five, six years I'm here. And we finally got a decent team. Yeah. Now you're letting some of these key guys go. Um, you know, but at that time, Mr. Wilson, the owner of the bills, he, he, He was not the sportsman he became. Okay.

You know? Yeah. He became, I think because he got older, probably had all the money he needed. By the time Jim Kelly and Therma Thomas and the mall got there, he had become a sportsman and was really into trying to win. When I was there, that was not the case. It was about money. Yeah. The reason I ask is because you were involved in, you were broadcasting, TV commercials, acting, football.

So, like, what was your goal? Is it like money-driven or you were just like, you want to do a little bit of everything? Everything is, you know, you want to get compensated for whatever it is. I, you know, like everybody, I wish I could have been on the team that would give me an opportunity to play for a Super Bowl, to make it to the Super Bowl. And I was in a situation where that just was not the case. And in 76, it was Carol Rosebloom, the owner of the Rams. I guess you would call it nowadays, it would be tampering. It had pulled me aside in Bel Air and said,

if you say this and you say this, I can get you on the Rams, right? So I did. I said those things. And I thought, I can go to the Rams. and the Rams is going to get the bills, you know, two or three starters, a couple of draft choices, and that could possibly help the bills get better, right? But Ralph Wilson wouldn't do the trade. So I'm stuck.

You know, I ended up going back to Buffalo and doing exactly what I had predicted. I will probably lead the league in Russian. We will probably lead the league in attendance, which we did. But what are we going to win? Four or five games. Yeah. You know? So that was my career in Buffalo.

And what did you think when you switched up from Buffalo to acting? How much leverage do you think you had just being who you were and like getting these roles immediately? Or did you think like, hey, I'm this actor that can just do this stuff? No, I am. I became good for. almost immediately with Strassburg. We were doing a movie together in Rome. When we weren't working, he and I would walk

to bookstores all around Rome. And he talked to me about acting. He would tell me what you do is right, because you just put yourself as a character. as a character. You don't try to make him different. You just do it as you would do it. You're doing the right thing, he would tell me, right? He then moved to Brentwood. He moved to Brentwood, and he had two kids, the same age as my two kids,

even though he was 70 or 80 or something. So I would go there on some weekends. He would have De Niro and these guys over, I'm trying to think that's Shelly Winters and these people who did acting teaching as well. So just being around that, you know, I picked up a lot of stuff. Did you get close with any of like big actors? Like De Niro you said. Steve McQueen and I got to be really good friends.

He actually showed up at my last football game. Wow. Yeah, he and I got to be pretty good friends. Even though Brent would like, because everyone knows, like, Like even today, I think a lot of athletes live there. So was the neighborhood crazy? Like, were there a lot of other... Well, when I was there, I think I was the only black guy in Bruntwood.

Yeah. When I first moved to Bruntwood. What was that like for you? I was oblivious to it. I really was. I remember talking about my brother years ago. And I told him, I think it was a handicap for him. If we walked into a room, he would know exactly.

how many black people are in the room if i walked in that same room i'd be oblivious to it and him and i you know we debated about that for a while and i i thought that was a a handicap for him was anybody like in the neighborhood everyone was probably pretty welcoming though when you go in there brint was cool yeah i mean i never had anything remotely like what happened to lebron james you know that stuff they wrote on his uh gate what was that some racial stuff if they put on his gate. Oh, y'all didn't, don't remember that? No, no, I don't know.

But so at that Brannwood house, were you having parties there? Yeah, pick parties, picnics. Was it like invite only or anybody could pull up? No, it's just invites. I gave a big 4th of July softball game, down the hill, and a picnic at my house. Huge one every year. And I, somebody was showing me a picture of us with all the, Kardashians and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Lynn Swan and me and just just loaded with

athletes and you know and people that I gave it every year every fourth of July and then I would that night or tomorrow morning move my family to Laguna to our Laguna house for the rest of the summer just like get away from all the craziness well you know July and Laguna is great yeah did we talk about conier or did we just yeah we did i mean you could you could comment it if you want what do you think i have nothing to comment on on conier Kanye has to deal with what conier has to deal with and uh yeah it's it's uh you know it's um i haven't heard the kids say bad things about them maybe i just missed it you know as i said i've always felt that My mother told me that it's, your kids are the most important thing in your life.

If one of my kids ever said or talked about me the way Herschel Walker's son talked about him, I would consider my life of failure. Yeah. I would. You know, that would be unbearable to me that if my kids had that, you know, lack of respect for me. And do you have any relationship now with any of the Cardiff? Not really. I mean, my kids talk to them and send messages, tell them I love them, da, da, da, da. You know, I just don't see them. I don't hang out wherever they hang out. What would you say now your goals are in life? Stay alive to live a little longer, to live a little longer, to see my, you know, see my grandkids grow to see them start in school.

You know, hopefully maybe get a few more grandkids. What life do you want to see like your kids live? I like what my kids have done. My kids are good kids. I think everybody will tell you that, you know. You never see them in the media, you know. They, you know, they live their lives. They're good people.

People have come up to me and said, oh, I met your son. blah, blah, blah, blah. He's such a great kid and whether or not such kids anymore. But I think I did a hell of a job. I knew before the Judy and Lou left us, they commended me on the job I had done, you know, raising the two young kids by myself, you know. And they, you know, they both have done well. They both live a good life.

What do you think you miss most about, like, the prime. juice era miss i i don't have the i got i got i got great friends now you know and i know they stand by me through thick and thin right but i do miss having those big picnics and you know everybody coming over for picnics and fourth of july i i do miss that i do miss i i miss that is like throwing big parties and stuff throwing big parties like that yeah Is it tough to lose some of your, like, former friends that you probably don't talk to anymore? Well, my friends, I'm gonna tell you,

my true friends stayed my true friends, you know. I live here and I lived in Miami, so I don't see them as much as I once did. But my true good friends pretty much stayed my true good friend. I can only really think of two guys that I was a little disappointed that we've, you know, kind of lost touch. Who's that?

Who's that? You wouldn't know him. So, uh, uh, uh, But outside of that, all of my good friends have stayed, my good friend. If there's any other, like, Hollywood stories you got, anything cool? Untold. I know you got something. Yeah, what's like, is there one crazy, like, Hollywood party story or anything that you feel comfortable telling?

I wouldn't really feel comfortable telling. Let me just put it this way. I went to a party. Now, you got to understand, this is like the 80s. And I was an athlete. I just retired. And when I just retired, I was doing what everybody did. I had been one of these workout guys.

And I tried to be the fittest athlete in the world. Were you single at the time? When you retired? I wasn't married. Okay. I wasn't married. I don't know if I was single. I wasn't married.

All I know is. I went to this party and, I mean, you wouldn't believe the celebrity was there. Some of them are big celebrities now. And in every room, on every table, was this big thing of cocaine. Just a plate? Plates of it. Everywhere. And it was in a house or like a club?

You can't drop any names, just curious. It doesn't matter at this point. Let's put it. I could drop red fox in the name. Let me put it that way. But this party was, you know, mixed, everybody, red, right, it's gone. And I remember being in shock that some of the people that I had watched on TV for so many years. But I would tell you this, in like 19, especially being in Florida, in 81, 82, if anybody in Hollywood tells you they weren't doing cocaine, they're lying.

They're lying. But then I think what happened was Free Basin and all of that start destroying lives. Yeah. It's so crazy now because I think about it. And everyone, if you're an actor or athlete, you're so monitored, like off the field or not on set. But back then it seems like you'd do whatever the fuck you want as long as you showed up. Yeah, because now there's phones at every party. You had it made.

You could do kind of whatever you wanted. Not everyone had a camera in their pocket. I was a pretty straight shooter, but in the off season. The point is I ain't going to lie. Yeah. In the offices, and you... You hit a couple zaps, right? Stop it.

Yeah. No one's judging. As I told you, if anybody told you, they didn't, they're lying. Okay. It's funny when I've noticed on two occasions in recent months where I thought it was Passet and Dawn, and it's not. Yeah. Maybe not as prevalent as it once.

was. I think it's all ecstasy now. Now it's like, I think people like pop pills and shit. Yeah, now we'll, you know, the scare's all crazy. No, I don't know. I don't know. You had some like 6 a.m. bonding moments maybe. Me? Yeah. With the plates out, no? Stop it.

Sun's coming up. You hear the birds start chirping. Oh, I've had a few of them. I walked out of a club in Miami, right downtown Miami. I walked out of a club. And I thought I was going to die. What do you mean by that? Well, I thought it was like three o'clock in the morning. And it was like 10 o'clock.

Like 10 a.m.? And this sun hit me when I walked out to the door, and I thought I was dead. What year was that? A bunch of years ago. Back in the 80s. What do you think is the most different thing that, if you had to compare the 80s to now, what do you think is the most biggest difference? You know, 80s, we were still coming out of it, a little bit of the 70s and the 60s.

And I think in general, people were a little more sincere than, a little straighter than. Now it's definitely the me generation. Yeah. It seems like everything is about me. And I'm a guy who every morning scrolls. all the news channels, all cable news channels CNN, so it was a Fox

so I try to get a balance of what everybody is saying and I do it that in sports too, watch the sports things, but it's just some I didn't, I never felt the damn hate it seems like that. You never felt the what?

The hate that that people are given given now. So the hate was stronger back then? No, now. Now it's stronger? Yeah. Now it's like... Well, does any part of you think you were kind of like blinded to it because of your celeb status like back then? And it

was more existing maybe? I don't know. If you watch the news now, I mean, look, I watch Fox, right? I say, boy, if I was in Russia, I would show Fox every day. Yeah. Because it's, everybody's a crook. Sure. Everybody's in government

is a crook. Everything is bad about America. I just I don't get it. What do you think about the Brittany Griner situation? Well, you know, look, they weren't going to trade for this guy. What's the name? We don't know. Victor Bout?

Well, well. Oh, okay. They weren't going to trade for Welland. I wondered why Donald didn't try to trade back then because he seemed like he had a relationship with Putin. But Donald didn't try to trade for Willen. I found out some things about willing that I did that I was kind of disillusioning what do you mean such as well you know you guys you guys look it up I am not here trying to dog a prisoner you know but I play golf let me put this way I play golf with two retired Marines and you know

it has more to do with the Marine stuff But, yeah, I'm glad she got out. Yeah. And I'm sure there's got to be somebody that they can trade and get well. Yeah. I totally understand why Germany is not trading. Yeah. Because that's who they want this guy that's in Germany.

But I guess he's a murder and the Germans aren't going to, you know, use him. Have you always been, like, so interested in politics and all that? Yeah. Yeah. When did that start? Well, you know, I met way back when, you know, I met Nixon and who incidentally really knew sports. And, you know, even J. Edgar Hoover, even though that wouldn't be politics. But I just kind of, there was a time years ago when both parties were trying to recruit Pat Hayton and me, you know, in California.

to talk about politics and I thought, well, maybe I should pay a little more attention to politics just in case, right? But now, last thing in the world I want is to get in, be really involved in politics. I've seen a change a few people that, not for the, not for the better. A lot of people say that people get like caught up in Hollywood and stuff like that. Would you say that that's something that happened to you or no? What do you mean about caught up? Just like caught up in the lifestyle and just kind of. You know, I was always, my Hollywood was always my house. You know, I, you know, I went to some Hollywood parties, but being an athlete,

I was always caught up with, you know, being in shape, playing tennis with my buddies and my friends, just like I am now. My life now are my kids and my golf buddies, you know, and that's what my life is. I've seen people in Hollywood, it's funny, the most talented ones that I've met and I've worked with, you know, Paul Newman and these guys, they're always the most sincere ones. Then you'll meet some guy who was just on some TV series that went for two years and they're total assholes. Yeah. You know, so the great, the great ones are the most sincere or the nice. Did anybody ever give you like any tips or try and help you out along the way?

Yeah, we're shooting a scene in the tower and infernal. And it was a scene where we found the fire, right? And I made a security. And Paul Newman and I, his buddy got a little burned up from opening the door. So we're looking at him and I'm giving orders. You do this and I tell him, go call the police. I mean, go call the fire. call the fighter, call it in. And we shoot the scene. It's just not quite working. And we shoot it

again, and it's just not quite working. So while they're kind of resetting up, he pulls me aside, he says, look, I'm an architect. You'd have a security. You know this stuff. Don't ask me to make the call. Tell me to make the call. If you have to yell at me, damn man, make the damn call. He says, you don't play your billing. You play your character. Yeah. And I, at the time, thought that was the best advice I ever got. Because I was playing him as Paul Newman.

Yeah. I'm going to yell at Paul Noon. Hell no. What was your goal with all the acting stuff? Like, where did you want to get to? It, you know, the acting thing just happened. I never thought about being an actor. It just started happening.

Then I got a chance to start producing a few MOWs and specials. I love the whole Hollywood thing. I got to admit, I love the, it's a team collaborative effort. I love working to make something. You know, when we did a, I did three or four MOW's movies and weeks, one of my old writer, you know, you cast, you get the cast, you figure who's going to play this role, who's going to play that role. You all work together, then you see that finished product.

I like that. It's a team. thing and I've always liked team stuff got it do you have any like regrets about anything like in your life anything yeah I regret that I was unfaithful to both my life uh but it is it is what it is you know I wish looking back that I could be one of these guys that would say that he never was unpaidful it seems like in the circle you were in that was pretty common though well It's, that's life. Yeah.

I got to admit, it's, it's, I don't know how, in Hollywood, you do a movie, you're on a set, you're out of town, you're in the Bahamas or you're in the Curisle. And I was in South Africa, for instance, and I'm with this partially supermodel. And we boom, boom, boom, and bam, bam, bam. and you know did it almost feel like it was just happens did it feel like it was like too easy for you it was easy

it was easy you know but not that you were looking at it as being easy it's it's I wasn't a I've never been the I've never been the guy that just chased girls I always kind of had a girlfriend yeah so it wasn't like

hey, let's go out and chase girls. All my friends call me date. Come on, Juice. We're going to go trolling with you. You're the bait. Who is like the biggest, like, womanizer out of all your, or in your crew? I'm not, I can't go there. Yeah.

I can't go there. Would you say you're like a religious person now or not really? I've always been a Christian. I've never been overly. I was raised as a Christian. I am a Christian. I like when I see that in people, you know, when we're talking about the Kardashians, I said they were raised Christian girls.

And I've seen nothing to say that that's changed whenever I see them. I wonder what I hear about what they're doing. I was going to say, obviously, with like your story and, you know, only you really know the truth. When you die, are you like in any way scared to face God? Nope. I look forward to it. Yeah. As I said, I know where my weaknesses were.

As I said, I regret being unfafer. You know, I think I made up, hopefully I made up for my other deeds. But we'll see. Yeah, because I meant like obviously there's so many rumors, whatever, but only you really know the truth. So I guess. No, I'm not the only one that knows the truth. There's others that know the truth. Yeah.

People like what? Like who? Who did it? People know? No, I don't know what people know, but somebody knows. Do you have any way to, like, respond to that? Like, if you were to answer, who did it? No, I'm not even going to talk about that.

Yeah. I'm not going there. Is that something that you put in the past, or? Well, you have to. You know, my mother saw me, my mother saw me be mean to some people after my L.A. trial. And she just read me to riot act. And she said, OJ, son, you aren't all is what you called me.

You can't be that. You can't let what's happen change who you are. You're trying to raise those two kids. And they're going to emulate you. If they see you act this way, that's how they're going to respond. So for the kids' sake, if nothing else, you've got to let it go. And I've let it go. it's it's gone got it has it been like tough to deal with that like mentally like no nothing at

this point is i'm a happy guy my kids are happy i'm happy that's weird have you ever watched like any of this stuff like no i watched none of never will none of i never seen any of not the FX show, nothing? No, no, not even though, you know, few people say, oh, that one show, the ESPN, it was pretty good for it, nothing. Does that any part? You want to know nothing about it.

Don't want to watch it. All it's going to do is piss me off. So I don't go there. Yeah. The only question I have is, does any part of you ever want to, like, feel like I got to tell my side of that shit? My side is, uh, is been told. I mean, for the most part, you know, uh, my lawyers.

And it's, you know, nobody, the one thing I do know, there's nothing that I do and nothing that anybody does is going to change anybody's mind. One way or the other, it's not going to change their mind. So it's a waste of time. You know, back then I went on various shows with Katie Couric with the, I forget the lady that was on court TV. And I never said, hey, show me the questions.

I'm open to you. I went to Oxford, which is one of the great experience. of my life to speak to the debate team at Oxford. And I didn't say, show me questions before I answered all the questions and everything. In that particular trip, I think it changed minds. But in general, you don't change in the back of mind. People don't feel the way they feel and there's nothing you can do about it. And as I said, that's, you know, say, Levy, that's life.

Yeah. So has anyone ever asked you, like, who you thought did it? I'm not going to talk about this, okay? Got it. Okay. Book club on Monday. Gym on Tuesday. Date night on Wednesday.

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I-exams provided by independent optometrists. All right. You anything? I don't think so. O.J. was fucking down. He tried. Can I ask you one thing, though? What's that?

I don't know if you're going to answer this, but how much have you spent on lawyer fees, you think, today? Oh, geez, a fortune. Just a flat-out fortune. Over under $3 million. Over, yeah. Fuck. Yeah.

Yeah. Lawyers are not cheap. No. Yeah. So let's say now, starting now, starting fresh, what's your plan now? How do you plan to like take care of your family and what's your goals? Well, my kids are doing well. So hell, they take care of me.

No, my kids and they do well. I love having dinner with them. Lately I've moved near my youngest son and my grandparents. granddaughter. So I get to see them virtually every day. Yeah. Yeah, you know, which I, which I'm totally loving. Um, so, you know, they're happy. As my mother said, hey, the kids are happy, you're happy. I don't know if you're happy. No, no, not yet. But you will reach a point where you'll know if your kids are happy, you're happy. 100%. And that's where I'm at right now. I, I, I love my kids. They respect and love me. As I said, I have no idea how Herschel

Are you just dive in on that, the Herschel Walker stuff? Well, Mike, you know, look, Herschel's a fellow Heisman Trophy winner, so I don't want to dog him too bad. I don't have to dogg him. You've seen him on TV. You see what he has said. It's just, you know, I mean, you are,

if you're not qualified to do, yeah, it scares me to see some of the people who are in politics now. People who are totally not qualified to be in politics. And it seems like the crazier things that you say, the more people are going to support you in saying it. Now, Herschel, I, you know, look, I don't think Herschel really want to run for office. I think the Donald got to even a run.

Sure. But, I mean, do you think he's qualified? Probably not. I don't know. Well, it seems like, it seems like, I don't know. It seems like these days anyone's qualified, right? There you go. I guess so.

I guess so. Well, what hurts is like when you say, You were Vala Victoria and you what? You said you finished number in the top 1% of your class and you didn't even graduate. I mean, come on, man. That's not what we want from our politicians. If you could make one change right now with the country,

what would you do? Jesus. Help me, guys. Well, I... Well, I mean, to me, I don't care what you think about Donald when he was the president. I don't care what you think about Biden when he's the president. Whoever's the president was voted that by the people of America of the United States. So disagree with him?

Great. But you got to respect the office. You got to respect the office of the presidency. So you can say I disagree with this and I disagree with that. But you can't, you should not be calling that person a butthole or, I mean, that's what I think I'd change anything. You know, the way people refer to our leaders. Because if you call, when Trump won, if you call him or whatever, you actually calling millions of Americans who voted for him that. Yeah.

If you call Biden that now, you actually call in millions of Americans who voted for him. That's what you're calling them. Yeah. You know? So I think I would push for a more of a respect. More of a respect. Got it. You could totally disagree.

You don't have to disres. What was her name? The Supreme Court Justice that just died. Yeah, you're asking the wrong guy. I have no idea. What's her name? Ginsburg. Ginsburg.

Gensberg. I think it was heard that. said, you can disagree without being disagreeable. Yeah. You know, and I guess that's what I'm saying. Got it. Any other things? Any last things?

You want to talk about? Buffalo Bills. Go Bills. You're still a Bills fan? Go Niners. Yeah, I go back to a couple of the games, you know. Never better fans you'll ever meet anywhere, you know. I'm a Niners fan because I grew up in San Francisco.

a minor fan. But the bill's fans are the best there is. I mean, there were games. You saw that six feet of snow. There were games we had where I couldn't see the stand. So much snow. But I could hear. You know, you know, periods of this, you know, snow going that, damn, I can't see the stands. And yet, they were there. What do you think about the justice system in America today? I think there's, oh, geez, I think it's the lack of respect that people who are in the justice system gives the justice system that bothers me. Yeah. If you're in the justice system, you've got to respect the justice system. I mean, you hear these lawyers now, they'll say some crap like, oh, he wasn't not guilty, he wasn't found, not, he wasn't found, what is, he wasn't found, he wasn't found.

guilty, but he wasn't found not guilty or whatever. I don't know. I heard these lawyers say this crap. And wait a minute, you're innocent to proving guilty. That's the law. You know? Yeah. So all this crap talk about, well, he wasn't found not guilty.

You know, he was just not found guilty. Come on, give me a break. You know, but it seems like many people in the legal system are the ones that disrespect the legal system the most. You know, and I just hate hearing. I remember doing, I remember I was at the Bel Air Country Club doing the Rodney King thing. And I'm there looking at the city, looking at all these smokestacks, cities on fire, right? Yeah.

And I'm listening to these guys talk, these older white guys, and they're saying, well, why don't they respect the system? the system spoke and now they're acting like this they're burning up the city a jury spoke you know you know what I mean and I said I kind of wish I could hear those same guys when my verdict came you know it's been interesting to hear that same group of guys right but hey that's where it goes are you upset that the like the killer of Ron and Nicole was never found? Right now, I'm not going to discuss any of that. All right? Yeah, I think that's a pretty obvious question. But I'm not getting in that. I'm not going there. You don't think that they're still out there? I'm not going there. All right. All right. All right. All right. I think

we're good, right? OJ, thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you guys, man. Thank you.