FULL SEND PODCAST - Owen Hanson | Ep. 177

Episode Date: December 10, 2025

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All right, guys, we have a very, very interesting episode today. Our friend Owen Hanson here on the pod, one of the craziest stories I've ever heard. If you guys haven't seen the documentary Cocaine Quarterback, you've got to check it out. But, dude, welcome to the full-sum podcast. We're happy to have you, listen to some crazy. like we're going to get along really well too i feel like we have a lot in common yeah i think we do

a little bit besides like the drugs and gambling and pretty girls right you guys don't like pretty girls oh we do we do hong kong we were just talking about hong kongs and tijuana yeah famous spot how many times you've been there dude i can't say that on the air but listen they know me by a first name basis how's that really yeah they called me don owen damn that's crazy yeah your story's insane one was like when was the first time that you smuggled drugs into the country? Yeah, you're supposed to smuggle them into other countries. And I ended up going down to Tijuana for the first time ever to get on some performance enhancing drugs. And I remember I just got cut from the volleyball team. And my coach told me, hey, you got to work on your vertical jump and your arm strength. And I said, all right, I'm going to

get on some steroids. And I literally went down to the pharmacia. And, uh, The pharmacy is in Mexico or great, aren't they? You can get everything. Everything. You can get Xanax. You can get Adderall. Everything. You can get steroids.

And I went in there. I didn't know much about, like, what drugs were. Whenever I go to the pharmacy, it was Stiney, he knows the difference between every single fucking pill. He's like, no, this one will make you, like, no anxiety, but a little more relaxed. This one will, like, tingle your elbows. Yeah. You big soma guy.

Is that the muscle relaxers? Yeah. Yeah. Or volumes. Yeah. Right? Yeah. pop those like tic-decks yeah but i uh i literally went down there with this list i got this list

from this bodybuilder at gold's gym and he said get this this this and this and i went down there and i showed the lady the list i was like trying to speak spanish to her and i said may i'm oh and necessito a steroids and she's looking at me and she's like i speak english i'm like okay let's let's get to this and i literally told her what i needed is she put everything in front of me and i was like okay she put in like three vials of Stannazol, which is a windstrel, and then she put testosterone, Sustanon 250, and she put Anvar pills, and I'm like, holy shit, what am I going to do with all these? And then she gave me a sandwich bag, and I took the sandwich bag, and I'm dumping all these pills in,

and I'm taking these vials of testosterone, and I'm putting it in the sandwich bag, and I'm like, fuck, how am I going to get this shit back, right? I'm fucking freaking out. And she gives me this medical tape, and I go in the bathroom, and I'm wrapping it all in this sandwich, bag right so i got like fucking 400 tabs of steroids and three vials of testosterone and i'm literally creating this banana and i'm taping it up with medical tape and i drop my drawers i'm in the bathroom and guys i put it not in the hole in the crack and i fucking pulled up my fucking

sarat my my spandex right and i go to my boy and he's like dude where did you put all the steroids i said fucking if you don't see him we're good and literally i walked over to the To you on a border where the United States meets, and I waited in line for like two hours, dude, just waiting in the customs line to get back. Were you standing with the banana? Dude, I had the banana. It's just in the crack.

Not the fucking hole, fellas. You're standing up sitting. Because I feel like you didn't do that tape job. You have to stand. You did tape it or you just clenched? Clenched the whole time. I'm holding it. Dude, that's way terrifying.

Just imagine a hot dog just holding it. And I was like, fuck, man, this thing's uncomfortable. And my buddy's like, dude, you're sweating. I was, fuck. I was a nervous. I was a nervous wreck. And he's like, dude, just be calm. And I get to the line, man.

I come from a good father. My dad made me 6 p.m. curfew for my whole life. So I've never lied. I've never stole. I've never done anything illegal. And I get to the line and the U.S. Customs Officer goes, he looks at my passport. He goes, Mr. Hansen, are you bringing anything back? And for the first time ever I lied.

I said, no, officer. I was just at Pappas and Beer with my friend. I didn't tell him about Hong Kong. I said, I was just hapapa's in beer with my friend. He goes, welcome back to America. And as soon as he said that, I literally, to this day, I get goosebumps. I crossed the border. And I just literally smuggled $500 worth of performance-enhancing steroids underneath my balls, right?

For the rest of my life, I chased that rush, man, eventually working for the cartel, smuggling tons of cocaine into Australia, Italy, Canada. And that's where it all begun right there. So once you get back in, you go back to school. And then what happens? I go back to school. I start taking the steroids. I blow up.

Get jacked. 240 pounds. Yeah. 6% body fat. And I walk on to the USC football team. 50 guys show up to the tryout. All Americans, college, J.C. All Americans.

And I'm a volleyball player. And I'm fucking jacked. And they have me catching balls. And I literally catch three out of five balls. They had me doing the vertical jump. Obviously, I'm a volleyball player. I jumped like 37 inches. And then they say, okay, run the 40.

I run a 4-640, which is like NFL Combine. And then like, all right, last group, we're going to go do the bench press. And no one knows I'm on steroids, but I go in there. And I literally do 26 reps of 225, which is huge. That's crazy. And I'm bouncing these plates off my chest. And people are like, holy shit, who is this guy? Coach Carroll's looking at me like, who the fuck is this guy?

And was no one else on gear at that time? No one even knew. You know, at the time, no one knew. They just think I'm just some specie. What year were you at this point? This is my sophomore year in college, so I'm 19 years old. What was it like playing under Pete Carroll? Man, he's a legend.

You know, playing, he's that guy that you go to practice. I tell people you go to practice because of Pete Carroll. You literally don't know what he's going to bring to the table. like he would bring Snoop Dog in like one day I remember I'll never forget it we're just sitting there and all of a sudden they say drop it like it's hot drop it like it's hot and Snoop Dog's coming with the mic

and Coach Carroll pulls off his t-shirt and they're doing a chest bump I'm like holy shit this is a fucking Snoop Dog that's right like that's unheard of right and he's got Denzel Washington Shaquille O'Neill Will Ferrell they're all coming to our practices you know Will Ferrell's dressing out in pads

and just Coach Carroll just brought the energy he's a player's coach it's like Coach Prime before Coach Prime Yeah Coach Prime's the man I always think about Pete Carroll Because he got I love him as a coach But he kind of got away like when USC Was going through all the trouble with like Reggie Bush

He kind of snuck out of it and went to Seattle And they never really talked about that But that was smart right No he played it was so well And he got paid He got paid and they didn't say one thing about it Yeah Did you see all that going on like with the players

Because they're having these guys there and Of course I saw you know Reggie and I were great friends I was in his wedding But, you know, I saw Reggie drive in that S-500 when he was a sophomore, right? And back then, there was no NIL, so guys weren't getting paid. Right. And so, obviously, we knew what was going on.

You know, there's boosters that would give us nice things. And that's life. And, you know what, at the end of the day, we should have got those things because now everyone's getting these things. You know, Caleb Williams made $9 million is his last year playing at USC. So at the end of the day, you know, I tip my hat to, you know, the organization that we were part of. and the two Heisman trophy winners I played for, played with. And, man, it was an awesome experience. Coach Carroll was a legend, no doubt.

So you walked on and then team, and you were tight end? I was tied in. I was a backup tight end. I tell people I hadn't, I didn't belong on the field, no doubt. I was a fucking volleyball player. I never played football in my life, but I literally juiced out of my mind. And I was 250 pounds when I was playing, and I was just just this monster. You don't think there was other guys out there in the locker room that were taking juice? and no it was just not talked about listen we would take this the sauce but we would never take the

sauce when we were playing you know we would take it on the off season so we weren't taking it during season when we're winning national championships yeah so so my argument's like okay what were we doing wrong we were literally recovering our our torn knees our ACLs and and by the time season starts when we tested we tested negative we weren't testing positive for steroids otherwise we would have won national championships so how to escalate from that to where you really got it became the team plug pretty much right dude i was the man i'm not gonna joke i literally like i came from this the son of a construction worker i came from nothing right i was like how the fuck am i going to survive at usc this is everyone's got american

express black cards mercedes bins i'm like fuck i'm gonna just start literally pushing this stuff and like we talked about that pharmacy had everything had adderil had zanics so i had these fraternity kids say, hey, Dr. O'Dog, do you have a way to keep us up for our finals? We need to study for, you know, I'm like, I'm going to prescribe you 30 milligrams of Adderal. And I would literally go down to T1 and I'd buy like a thousand Adderall for a dollar piece.

And I come back and like, okay, $10. And then they're like, dude, we can't sleep. I said two milligrams of Xanax, right? Like, okay, they're like, fuck, this guy's great, right? And so I'd go down and get the Xanax. I'd buy them for like 50 cents and then sell them for $5. Everything was a thousand percent markup. That was my model.

Wait, so did you use that same method of smuggling it back in? They had an escalate, right? Once you had to bring more shit in? Banana, remember? Every time? Every time. But listen, the problem was this. I started getting so big on the steroids.

One summer, I was wearing a hoodie, kind of like yours, right? And I put this hoodie on. It was fucking 90 degrees, and they stopped me. And they started patting me. And then they started patting me. I'm like, oh, fuck, they're going to feel the fucking banana, right? And they're patting me. And after that, I was like, okay, that's it.

I'm no longer smuggling stairways. So I started bringing girls with me. And I'd have the girls put it in their G-strings and their tits. And they'd smuggle all the pills for me. I'd pay them $100 and I'd give them a night at Pappas and beer. How much were you making at that time in college? Dude, every week, I was probably pulling like $5,000 a week. Wow.

And I started selling them Coke. Like, I had friends from Northside Redondo, which is a gang from Redondo Beach where I was from. And they were, like, fronting me, like, eight ounces at a time at, like, $15 to $20 a gram. And I'm selling it to these fraternity kids for $60. So how did you transition into, like, people just started coming to and act? People started asking you for everything. And then people are like, yeah, we want blow to. You know, like, can you get blow?

Can you get ecstasy? I'm like, yeah, I got it all. Did you try the product? Good, I love the product. What was the most amount of blow you've done? night fuck that's a good question i think i've probably done an eight ball all to yourself yeah to myself and that was my my norm like i tell people if you have the bag you got the girl right right like there's no you you're the man if you got the bag but now i i realize i said like

fuck i get out of prison right i did 10 years like i said i said what can i do to get the girls i no longer can perform with the bag right i'm fucking a convicted felon so now it's like protein ice cream, right? And you got a sweater. You got a sweater best. Did you like that? Yeah. I just came from a golf event.

You got a good look. The drip is nice right now. You would never feel that I was an international drug kingpin, right? If you saw me. How does it escalate from there? You're in college. It's snowballs, no pun intended, right? My friends go to the NFL.

Everyone's making these $20 million contracts. And I have, all my fraternity brothers now are getting paid big money. And I tell people it's crazy because I got a, Literally, I got a job wearing my USC national championship ring, right? I didn't bring it today, but I got this job making six figures. And I was like, okay, this is it. I'm in real estate. I left everything behind.

I took all the drugs and I said, you know what, that's done. I kept up with the Joneses and now it's time to sell some real estate. And literally the real estate market was great, right? In 2007, the recession hits. And I start scrambling. I'm like, fuck, what am I going to do? I lost my job. and I literally get into international bookmaking, which is a bookie, and this is before it became legal.

So I've become a bookie for all my friends that are playing in the NFL, all my fraternity brothers that are now making a million dollars a year. And it snowballs, no pun intended. I start booking bets for one of the biggest cartels in the world. I'm not going to say it because if I said it, I'd probably be dead. and I start booking bets for the lieutenant of this cartel. The guy's losing $250,000 a week, and every week he's bringing Duff Beggs. How much cash did you have at that time to be able to be the bookie for, like, rich guys like that? So at the time, I was probably worth maybe $2 million, and I was 23 years old.

Wow. Which is, you know, I'm just taking bets, and I'm just hoping they lose, right? Because if they crack me, I'm fucked. Yeah. But I'm taking risk. I'm gambling. you guys probably know gambling you win and you lose i'm just hoping these guys keep losing yeah what was the lieutenant the cartel lieutenant firing on you wouldn't believe it fucking soccer well that's what

i was going to say yeah yeah yeah and they love the raiders over there i don't know what it is the fucking cartel loves the raiders and what happened was he lost 251 week the second week he lost two 60 the third week 240 it averaged out to minus 750 000 in three weeks on on the week four he finally cracked me he hit the he had a five team parley and he hit dude he had a five team parley and i was hoping he hit because i like i wanted to show him like hey i want to pay you right yeah as a book you want to pay your customers you never think about how the bookie sweats right yeah well i was going to say we surprised he didn't stick you at all dude i just showed up to pay every time like that's pretty i don't respect that's an honorable cartel when you have you don't

know he's cartel right i'm thinking he's some whale in in week four he's He finally is about to hit. I call his agent, which is a sub-booky. I go, dude, this guy's going to hit for $260,000. I said, get over here right now. I got his duffel bag. I want to prepare the money. I said, at 8 a.m. on Monday morning, I said, I need you guys.

I drop it off. He's like, why am I'm going to do that? I said, if you drop it off at 8 a.m., the guy's going to know where we're the real deal. Yeah. That was the biggest mistake of my life. He dropped it off at 8 am. He hit for $2,000,000, a 5-team parlay. He had the Raiders.

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guys it just snowballed from here no pun intended literally this guy gave his his bookie his sub bookie an encrypted phone and they brought it to me the next day on Tuesday and the the sub agent says hey this is this is from my my client that's been losing all this money he likes the way you do business so I get this encrypted phone it's a blackberry you guys probably don't know what a blackberry is. No, we had black bears. Okay, BBM and shit. Okay, BBM and shit. Those are the days. Yeah. So I get this, this fucking blackberry, right? I'm like, okay, what am I supposed to do? He's like, it has no microphone, it has no camera, it has no GPS. He says there's three passwords to get in. I'm literally like,

fucking, he gives me this paper. I'm typing in the passwords. And finally, on the third password, it says, weddo, which means white boy in Spanish, I like the way you do business. I'm like, okay, great. Anything you need, right? Like, this is the whale. You don't get this very often. And I don't know what he does. Remember, that loses.

Yeah, right? That's paying, right? That's unheard of in this business. I said, anything you need. And at this point, I'm just going to call him Hefe, right? I said, Mr. Hefe, anything you need, I got you. And he says, I like the way you do business. I know you're a bookie.

I said, I know bookies have cats. in the United States I'm like okay yeah whatever you need right I'm just I'm trying to treat this guy like a whale VIP customer he says I would like you to drop off a hundred thousand for me in San Diego he says if you drop off a hundred thousand I'm gonna pay you 10% the next day I'm like fuck this a no-brainer right I went to USC this is 10% in the day who you guys would do that right right I drop off a hundred thousand out of stash house a stash house is where they keep the drugs or the money right I drop off the $100,000. He goes, great work. Where do you want the $110,000? 10%.

So I literally had $110,000 wire to my office in Costa Rica, where I run the sports betting. And this thing snowballs. He goes, okay, do $100,000 North Carolina, $100,000 in Florida. I'm just dropping off cash. Literally, guys, I have cash throughout the United States because I'm a bookie. I'm getting paid 10% a day, like just to drop off cash. This is a no-brainer. That's, that's, do the math, 300% a month. Like, who does that? That's crazy. Right?

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there? I'm like, what do you mean? Like, dude, these are some serious people, right? Like, I don't want to know. Yeah. And I was like, okay. And then one day, I remember, I'll never forget this day. He says, okay, I need, this is where I knew, this is going to go bad. He says, I need you to pick up a million dollars in El Paso. No, no, it was Brownsville, Texas. Like a million dollars? I'm doing the math, 10%, right? I'm fucking 25 years old.

That's 100 grand. Right? Okay, this is math 101. This is why I went to USC, right? 100 grand in today. Like, no problem. He goes, this is rival territory, and we can't be there. Okay, and this is where I knew rival.

Like, okay, this guy's in organized crime. I call my buddy Tank, who's a fucking Avalon Crip. He says, I'm going to put together. a UFC fighter and we have two guys go with us on this this private chat I order up a turbo prop this first time I've ever filmed private I pay him $2,500 an hour and this is back in 2011 right and I'm like okay I'm doing the math house 2,500 an hour because that's 5,000 it's going to be 10,000 dollars there and 10,000 back so I'm in at 20 grand and like okay I'm going to pay this crib and this UFC fighter two grand each that's four like dude I'm in at 20

24 grand like this is a no-brainer i'm gonna make 76 000 in fucking eight hours let's run it right and we we literally pick up this cash in brownsville texas there's a fucking gardener that shows up with a f-150 pickup truck and he gives me the stuff bag he says estes de par el hafe this is from the boss it's a million dollars i get on the plane i'm freaking out man i'm like fuck this is this is cartel money now i know now i'm like i'm freaking out i told the pilot let's get the fuck out of here we land in torrance airport it's a private airport and i tell i'll have you on the cryptophone hey i'm in torrance where do you want me to drop it he says take your hundred thousand dollars commission and drop off 900 000 in riverside california i drop off the

900 collect my hundred i pay everyone out i'm profiting 76 grand i'm like okay this is fucking fun man and then the million dollar question he says you're doing in the u.s i would like you to do in australia he says i'm going to pay you a million dollars a day what because they fucking love blow over there dude dude they love it they love it you've been there they fucking love it yeah they call it the rack huh you they love it they love it yeah 300 of gram austrians love cocaine they call it the packet yeah pack it i call it the rack back in the fucking early 2000s the rack they're like hey let's get some of the rack it's been cut like three times by the time they've done it so i was bringing pier

Like, it's coming from Columbia. And so I said a million dollars a day, I'm thinking, okay, I'm that son of a construction worker, a million dollars a day. I'm fucking 26 years old. I'm like, okay, let's run it. And I literally get in Australia, and I put together this team. And I got a guy that I'm going to give it to, and he's going to distribute it. He's this international drug kingpin. What city did you go to in Australia?

Sydney. I was in fucking hottest chicks too, right? Are they? They love us. They love Americans, huh? Gold Coast. I haven't been. I went to Gold Coast.

Melbourne, I went one time. I actually don't understand how they saw. There's some Melbourne. Their accent's so sexy. Yeah, it's insane. Dude, and they love Americans, huh? If you have the rack, the bag, dude, it's over. Girls in Australia love the rack.

Yeah. So you just sniff it right off your dick. Right? Dude, I remember just fucking lying on the big lines and it's just, I'm like, God, these Australians are awesome, right? That sounds late. Dude, it's fucking my type of girl. Yeah.

So I literally would get to Australia, and I'm like, fuck, how am I going to distribute it this? And I, dude, I had to use my network from USC. And I literally went and found this baseball player that told me his dad. No, not his dad. His brother was in the weed business. I said, okay, we, perfect. International weed business. I literally used my Rolodex.

I went to this baseball player that was at S.C. And he said, dude, you got to talk to my brother. I go to his brother in San Diego. He goes, dude, I'm in the weed business. I'm not in the Coke business, but you've got to meet this Italian. He worked for the Lucchasey family. The Lucchese family is the mob, right? I go meet this Italian.

I start talking business. He goes, no, no, no, you're not talking to me in the U.S. about anything illegal. He says, I've been indicted, I've been arrested, and I don't talk about this in the U.S. And he says, if you want to come to me and talk to me about business, he says, meet me in Naples, Italy. Remember, a million dollars a day.

That's all I'm thinking. I said, fuck it. Let's fly to Naples. So I go to meet him. He's got this fucking huge compound, literally winery, villas, two villas. And we're in Naples, Italy.

And I meet this smelly Italian. I give him a fucking Italian kiss on each side. And the guy stinks, reeks, right? I'm holding my breath. And he's like telling me, listen, what are you here for? I break it down to him. I said, dude, I got cocaine in Australia.

He goes, you're out of your mind. He says, no one has cocaine in Australia. I said, dude, I got a fucking cartel member that's been gambling with me. He tells me, I said, I'm a ton of cocaine in Australia. He goes, stop wasting my time, right? He says, you go to Australia, and when you see the Australia with your own eyes, when you see the cocaine, he says, then call me. He says, stop wasting my time.

Get out of my country. Dude, I was humiliated. Fucking 26 years old. And I'm like, fuck. So I tell this cartel boss, I'm like, hey, I got someone to buy the size. cocaine. I lied to him. He says, okay, well, let's get to Australia. So I fly to Australia.

I'm in Sydney now, Darling Harbor. And now I got to lie to the Italian. I tell the Italian, I have already given him an encrypted phone. And I tell him, hey, bro, I just saw the cocaine. You got to get over here. I lied to him. I didn't see it. So he flies over. Now I'm playing the cartel boss.

I'm like, hey, I'm ready to go. Right? And he goes, okay, go to the Four Seasons Hotel. He says, as soon as you get a room, let me know the room number. I get to this room at the four seasons. I think it's 428, and I got a room for, we'll call him Uncle Louis, the Italian, right? 426, I believe he was. We put him in the room, and I tell, we'll call him El Hafe, the cartel boss. I said, El Hafe, I'm in room 428.

He says, give me 30 minutes. 30 minutes comes, this guy knocks on the door. He's in a D.HL outfit, and he brings me a package. I'm freaking out. Like, fuck, what is this? I'm knocking on the door. I'm telling fucking the guy next door, this Uncle Louis. I'm like, hey, Uncle Louis, get over here.

Anything over two and a half kilos in Australia is a life sentence. So I'm freaking out. Oh, dude. Have you ever seen... Have you ever seen that show? Oh, yeah, of course. It's the most terrifying thing I've ever seen. Yes.

When you get, when you smuggle shit internationally, they put you in dirt cells for your life. Yeah, a life sentence for two and a half kilos. and you actually do like two years on 200 people so i'm telling uncle louis get the fuck over here i got this package he comes over we literally cut this package open and there's 10 kilos of cocaine i'm like holy shit he didn't believe me he's like you sample it or not hang on uncle louis cuts it open with the fucking knife it's just like the movies and he does uh he goes holy shit nephew he says you weren't lying he says this is pure cocaine he said this must came from Columbia or Peru.

30 minutes later, he comes back with a million dollars in cash for me. He gives me a suitcase, a million dollars. He had a suitcase for himself, 500,000. So he made 500,000, 50 grand a kilo. I made 100 grand a kilo. El hafe had to deal with me. Anything I made was half. So I made half a million dollars on the test run.

Two hours of work, right? That's crazy. The fucking Italian goes, okay, my people are asking, when can you get me more? I'm on the encrypted phone. And I said, El Fafé, when can we get more? He goes, tomorrow, we're going to have 20 kilos dropped off. 20 kilos gets dropped off. $2 million dropped off within 20 minutes.

Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, 20 kilos. Take Saturdays and Sundays off. Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, we're getting a million dollars each profit. I'm making a million dollars a day. Your cash. Your cash. Yeah, what are you doing with the cash at the time?

I'm going back to my fucking apartment in Darling Harbor. We're literally sitting in this apartment. And that's near Sydney? Yeah, darling, Sydney, it's off of George Street, George and Kent. And I'm literally in this studio apartment, probably is the size of this hotel room. I'm like, fuck, what am I going to do, right? I'm literally sitting on this bed. I start putting the money in the dishwasher, the cabinets, the microwave, the attic.

I'm freaking out. I'm like, fuck, I'm sitting on like $10 million. I'm like, fuck, what am I going to do? So when did the paranoia start to kick in there? So I literally abduit this fucking blow and fucking Xanax and wine. I'm like, okay, I'm telling El Hafei, okay, I've got 10 million now, large. You're trying to get out? I'm like, hey, when are your guys going to pick it up?

Oh. Right? That's what I'm asking. He says, what, oh, remember, you're making a million dollars a day. That's your job. I'm like, fuck, what do you mean? It's my job. Like, how am I going to fucking get it out of this country?

I've never been to Australia. He's like, that's what I hired you for. So now I've got to figure out a way to launder the money from Australia to the U.S. I'm like, fuck, I'm paranoid now. When you got to that $10 million, was that where you could be like, okay, I'm done with this? No, no. I had a ton of cocaine to move for him. A ton of cocaine for you guys that don't know

was 1,000 kilos. I've only moved maybe, you know, close to 3, 400 kilos for him. Oh, shit. Yeah, so I'm literally panicking now. What's the most intense situation you had to navigate personally? Would you say that was? Eventually, I started laundering this money and I had a, a gambler, a guy that was a blackjack player.

He lost, he basically came, he says, I'm going to do it for 25%. This is how he did it. He says, I'm going to come to the casino in Australia. I'm a whale from Vegas. I'm going to play blackjack, and I'm going to tell him, hey, I'm not feeling it. Okay. I said, what are you going to charge me for that? He goes, I'm going to charge you 25% commission, whatever I launder.

I'm like, okay, bet. I shake his hand. He comes to the Sydney. I give him $1.5 million in a suitcase. And he starts gambling on the blackjack table. on Sydney, Australia. He tells the black check dealer, hey, I'm not feeling it.

And literally, he's already a high roller. So they already said, okay, Mr. Siparani, what do you want to do? They're like, give me a check. So he gives him a check for $1.5 million. So now he takes that check of $1.5 million, and he flies back to Las Vegas where he's his high roller.

He goes to Vegas, the red carpet's out. I said, how do you want this check? He's like, give me cash, give me chips. Within 24 hours, this guy gave me $1.5 million minus his 25% commission. Like, okay, this fucking guy's the man. He wired it to you?

He gave it to me in cash. Were you in the U.S.? I was in Australia? Yeah, people, he dropped it off to my wife at the time and my dad. Oh, okay. Yeah. He says, let's do it again. 2.5 million.

I give him a suitcase of 2.5 million, and now this guy, this gambler, loses the money. This gambler loses the cartels money. Like, fuck. Now I'm scrambling. And you ask what the this craziest thing that happened. When he lost the 2.5 million, one of my

their workers had a bag of 700,000. The guy that lost a 2.5 million was so nervous that I was going to have a hit put on him. He called the police and said, hey, there's this guy that has a gun. And it was one of my runners. My runners got picked off with 700 grand. So in one day, I lost $2.5 million and $700,000, $3.2 million of the cartels money. Fuck, what am I going to do? I panic.

I got to go tell the cartel. Literally, I can't tell them on the encrypted phone that I lost this money. So I tell him, hey, I need to meet you in person. I go back to that Tijuana bridge across that fucking bridge. How nervous were you going into that meeting? Do you go solo? Three Xanax, two caps of GHB and a fucking big gagger cooking. Yeah, that's the new word, a big gagger.

Dude, I did a big gagger. That's the fucking, dude, if I'm going to die. A fucking gagger, mate. If I'm going to die, I'm going to die and fucking. Not sober. Feeling good, right? Like, fucking take me. Like, get over there.

He says, one o'clock, my Sicario's. You guys don't know. Socario is a Mexican hip man. They're like security. He says, My Sikarios are going to pick you up at 1 p.m. at McDonald's in Tijuana. I crossed that bridge. I'm fucking at Tijuana at 1255 on this encrypted phone.

I'm like, I'm here, El Hefe. Literally this fucking suburban pulls up. Bulletproof windows rolls down the window. He goes, El, he goes, Wetto, get in the car. I'm like, okay, this is the guy. I get in the car. I notice the driver has a handgun. I look behind me,

and two of the Saccarios have AK-47s. I'm like, oh, fuck. This is serious. I'm like, all I'm thinking, guys, is like, okay, these guys are going to fucking shoot me and bury me in the desert in Mexico. That's all I'm thinking. We take this bulletproof vehicle down to Rosarito,

which you guys have been to on that toll road. Two more bulletproof vehicles come. One was a Hummer, and one was another suburban. And we're literally three cars going down to this town called Porta Nuevo. It's a lobster town. and I get into this lobster town and this big restaurant it's called Porta Nuevo number one

it's the most popular we're at restaurant in that part of the town it's shut down like holy shit why is this place shut down this this kingpin this cartel boss who I'll never mention on the air but he's sitting there with six cacarios he's got the whole

restaurant shut down there's one lady making tortillas and there's one waiter I'm like holy shit like how this guy pulled this off and then I get there They got a seat for me, and they got the two guys with the AK-47 sitting behind me. I'm like, God damn. And I'm like, fuck, I tell him. I tell him the truth.

I said, dude, the guy laundered $1.5 million, the scammer. He did it successfully. And then he lost the 2.5 the same day, he lost $700 from my runner. He goes, whed-o. He goes, I know. It's already been in the newspaper in Australia. He's been doing his homework. It's all over, right?

I'm like, fuck, he knows. he goes but whetto there's good news and there's bad news he says the good news is you're going to be alive but the bad news if you don't pay me back I'm going to kill you he's telling me this in Spanish he goes you don't owe me $3.2 million

anymore he goes you owe me $4 million and now you work for the cartel I'm like holy shit dude like I'm fucking this this kid from USC with a fucking comb over right like I'm freaking out why do you think you decided because you If I could have tried to run it out, because you're expecting to die when you go tell this guy that.

What do you think made you decide to, I'm going to go face this dude and tell him? Good question. Would you like to look at over your shoulder the rest of your fucking life? How much paranoia is that, right? I'm like, if I'm going to die, I'm going to go today and I'm going to get killed today. That was my mindset. Yeah. I'm going to go into this meeting.

And if he's going to kill me, at least I know I'm getting killed. Yeah. And when you told me, I own him four million. I was like, fuck, I'm alive, right? Like, that's all I could think about. And if you use your mind, you can get through anything in life. Your mind and a little gagger, right? Dude, big gagger.

Fuck. So he finally, listen, he said, fucking let's drink. And he cheers, dude. I fucking drank these margaritas like you would never be fooled. Like, literally, I was like, fuck yeah, I'm alive, dude. I guzzled these fuckers. And he says, you're going to take two years off. He says, that fucking rat that told on you, he's, he's hot.

He was talking about the gambler that lost the money. He goes, I feel that guy's doing something. He goes, I want you to run your. sports book like like you've always ran it like a business he goes no more drugs no more money laundering for the cartel he says after two years you're going to come back and you're going to pay back the four million and that's what i did i took two years off and and literally fucking the day of two years he messaged me on that encrypted phone he says it's time to go to work have you figured it out did you have the money no i didn't have the money so the the the rule was he says

you're now going to bring the cocaine into Australia. He says, you're going to figure out how to do it yourself. You're not using my routes because you're hotter than fish grease. And he says, I don't care how you do it. I'm going to give you the cocaine in the United States and you have to bring it into Australia. And you're going to sell my cocaine over there

to pay me back. And that's what I did. I got creative, fellas. I literally... What about when the feds come into play? Well, wait, how'd you do to smuggle it in? Dude, I had to get creative. I literally broke down the cocaine into wine.

So what I did is I took 10 kilos of cocaine. I put it in a bathtub and I took Everclear, 150% Everclear. It's like the strongest alcohol there is. And I'm in this bathtub with this ore. You know, or is for like a stand-up paddleboard. And I took 10 kilos, put it in the bathtub with this Everclear. And I'm breaking down this cocaine into liquid. Now I have these Napa Valley wine bottles.

I emptied out all these bottles of wine and I put all this liquid cocaine in the Napa Valley wine bottles. I packaged it up perfectly I wiped down the alcohol I put the cork in put the candle melted it so it looked like a wine bottle and I had one of my runners for the sports book

ship it from Napa Valley into Australia Wow So I landed two cases of wine Right I had a chemist in Australia Take the wine And that's liquid cocaine

And they broke it down And put it back into the kilo form And this is how I started To pay the cartel back Eventually I said I had to find another route and I started bringing the cocaine into chocolate. So I had pallets of chocolate,

and I put it between the chocolate bars, and I would ship it through a candy company. And eventually, after a year, I paid the cartel back $4 million. And they asked me the million dollar question. They said, Waddo, what do you want to do? You've paid us back.

What would you guys do? A million dollars a day. I'm fucking going to make some money for myself now, right? I literally start making money for myself, you know, buying homes all over the world, cars and within four weeks the FBI

ends up setting me up they become my money laundering guys they handle all the cash they take the cash and they take it from Australia and bring it into the US and they charge me half a 25% they're charging me 12% the feds were doing this and unbeknownst to me I didn't know they're in the feds they're golfing

with me yeah how did you get that stuff's interesting how do they like infiltrate how they find you So my mates from Australia They said, hey, we found these guys They came on this yacht in Sydney And he says, man, these guys were on the yacht Parting with us. They had encrypted phones. He says they were drinking They're doing coke. And I'm like, okay, he says they're in the money laundering

business. I said, okay, what do you want to do? He goes, let's try them out. He goes, they're 12 and a half percent. That's half of what we're paying. I'm like, fuck, that's unheard of, right? So he goes, I'm going to give them ten grand just to see if they steal the money so he gives him 10 grand in australia this guy comes back to san diego and we meet up for golf he brings the 10 grand and he takes his 12 and a half percent and i messaged my mate in australia i go dude this guy's the real deal he just paid me the money minus the 10 or the 12 and a half percent he's like okay well let's do another so we do 500 000 boom we pay him the 12 and a half percent i get the cash minus the 500 i'm like okay these guys are fucking bad motherfuckers like we're talking fast all right guys 2026 is here don't wait any longer

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And then the key was this. These guys are betting on my website. They're betting on sports. So I'm like, okay, these guys are the fellas. Yeah. And I'm popping Vicodin and I'm drinking vodka. And guess what? They're popping Vicodin too.

I'm like, they're doing the drugs. They're doing the drugs. I'm like, there's no way. But remember. That's kind of sick. It's in a format. You get to like actually like being cared. Like you get to like party and shit.

It is a prescription drugs. Yeah. They can get a prescription. They never did the Coke. And this should have been the fuck. Every time I talk about this, this should have been the kicker. We were in literally Miami, and I invited the guys to the strip club.

They turned me down. I'm like, fuck, are these guys gay? Like, I was like, why don't they want to go to the strip club? Like, oh, we got to get back to our wives, right? So fast forward two years when I'm now sitting and reading my discovery, I'm in prison. My lawyer's telling me the reason they didn't go to the strip club is because they're wearing wires. And what happens on a strip club? You pat it down.

A girl takes you, takes your clothes on, right? Pat you down. It's because they had wires on. So they never want to be exposed. So fast forward, I'm literally gambling with these guys. They're laundering millions of dollars for me. Were you like, dude, Phil, how the fuck could you do this to me? We've played golf together for the past two years.

Dude, literally. So literally, we set up another golf match at 7.10 a.m. At September 9th, 2015, I'll never forget the day. And I'm supposed to handle this transaction of half a million dollars. And, dude, I'm fired up. I'm gambling with these guys. They're betting on my sports book. They're fucking the boys, right?

I leave my Beverly Hills house And I'm fucking going 100 miles per hour In the carpool It's just me And like no one's stopping me I'm like okay Something's going on right I get to the country club

It's in Carlsbad San Diego And I get there And there's no one in the parking lot I'm like fuck why is now There's dude this is like $500 around Why is there nobody here And I get out of my car And my caddy shows up

And my catty's just shaking dude Like a leaf He's like Mr. Hanson welcome What's the fucks are at it with this guy right? I'm like, where is everyone? I get my golf bag, and he's like shaking. I'm like, dude, everything. Okay, man, why is there nobody here?

She's like, I don't know, Mr. Hansen. I'm like, okay, this is fucking weird, right? And I literally go to my passenger side where I have this Louis Vuitton bag where I keep my 50 grand and three encrypted phones. And I go grab that fucking bag and I turn it around and 15 agents come out of the bushes, FBI helicopter in the sky. I'm like, oh, fuck. Oh, dude.

That's how my life ended. And everyone's like, dude, are you scared? The cartel, fuck, what are you going to do? I'm like, dude, I'm not going to lie, guys. The first time in my life I felt relieved, it was finally over. Like, I'm done with fucking the cartel. I'm done taking bets. I'm done doing fucking rack and rails and fucking hookers.

You know, it's over, right? Dude, it's like, you're like, you're like, fuck, it's finally I can go rest. Yeah. Yeah. So you get locked up and then just straight in, how big, like, How strong was their case? They had everything.

The case was everything. They died of 23 of my friends. Oh, my God. My accountant, my CEO, my fucking private investigator. My fucking buddy that won three Super Bowls for two with the Broncos, one with the 49ers. Who was that? Derek Lovell. He played back in the day.

They subpoenaed Jeremy Shockey, Reggie Bush. All these people are like fucking freaking out, right? And everyone's freaking out. Yeah. I'm sitting in a six by eight prison cell going, fuck. What's going on? And what were you charged with? It's called a RICO, right?

The racketeering, influence, corrupt organization, which we're going to charge the mob with. It was called distribution of cocaine, money laundering, and illegal bookmaking. So it was three charges. And I got sentenced to 21 years in federal prison. And then I had a life sentence in Australia. And how much time did you end up doing? I ended up doing nine years behind the fence in a year and a half and a halfway house. Can I ask how much assistance you did?

You could ask, yeah. But I'm going to tell you. You got to watch the dokey series. Yeah. Yeah. Because there's definitely some assistance, but it's not the cartel. Otherwise, I won't be here today. Right.

Let's just say I had a corrupt attorney. And it worked in my favor. I tell people I won the lottery in the life. I mean, that interrogation, the whole point is that. It's just to get more and more out of you. That's their job, right? Yeah. And I told them for two and a half years while fighting my case, it's not going to happen.

I'm not going to sign a death certificate. I got a wife. I got fucking a dad, a mother, sisters. As soon as I give them information on the cartel, it's over what'd you do when you were locked up like and how are you treated when you got in there what jail was it where well it's now it's a prison right because jail you go to fight your case and then you go to prison so you know i started at united states penitentiary in lompoc where you're with like lifers you know guys that are never getting out and uh i remember i was a big meach

um harry oh who started death row records you know big names right and you're you're just like fuck I'm never getting out like I'm 21 years and then I eventually got down to FCI Lompoc and then I went to Victorville and then I went to Colorado where in Colorado Springs no Colorado England yeah yeah it was cool that it was great prison so you know who I was with Jared Fogel remember subway the Jared Foggle's heck yeah he was there he's a fucking child they got that one and they have were like chopos locked chop was an ADX which is in Florence right that's like 30 minutes down the road yep he's never getting out that's like so hey I know he's that he's that

So how did you get out early? I told you. We got to watch the dokey series. Oh, okay. Yeah, but definitely we had a corrupt attorney, and I was able to prove that he was corrupt. But I didn't have to tell on the cartel. And literally in prison, I went back to school.

I got my master's degree. I wrote the book, The California Kid, which I gave you guys. And I started, like, teaching these kids, like, to get their GED. There was a lot of dumb kids in prison. They're uneducated. And if they have their GED, they're able to, you know, make more money in prison. prison. So I started teaching these guys and helping with their GED. And then, uh, by accident, man,

I'm not, I'm not going to lie. I started a business. This is, this is a crazy business. Taking my protein shake, I was really into fitness. I was taking my protein shake every day. I would take these, these empty peanut butter jars. And I would take the milk from the commissary, and I put these slices of banana we got from the kitchen, from the chau. And then I put peanut butter and we got these protein shakes that we could buy on commissary and every day I would shake them up and in prison we don't have refrigeration

so I would take a mop bucket the thing you use to clean yourself and I would fill it up with ice and I would take these protein shakes and I'd stuff it in there and it would be a cold protein shake right so in prison I was told people like hey in prison I work out I drink

I have my protein shakes I have my meal prep Like, I trained my mind to feel like I'm on the outside, so I don't feel like I'm in prison. I start making these protein shakes, and one day we ran out of ice. My cellie goes, hey, we're out of ice. I said, well, fuck, what are we going to do? I need a cold protein shake. He says, well, we could put salt.

He says, if we put salt and make a cold. I said, oh, fuck, put some salt on there. I go work out with my crew, and I come back, and I go grab my protein shake. It's fucking rock hard. I go, fuck, man. My protein shakes rock hard. What am I going to do? he's like dude just fucking open it

eat it like ice cream so I'm literally eating it like ice cream like dude this is amazing and then the fucking light ball went on my hair I'm like dude this is my new hustle so in prison now I'm making these peanut butter jars full of protein and their ice cream and I'm selling

them for $15 a jar right people are like dude you're crazy you're fucking selling ice cream in prison like there's no ice cream in prison I'm like dude fuck this is fucking fun right come Super Bowl I have pre-orders for 50 of these fucking protein ice creams. Really? From inmates.

Just for inmates. And they're paying to me. They're like, dude. And everyone's telling me like, dude, Owen, you're making more money than the prison guards. Fuck, you're right. I am, right? Like, this is my hustle mentality. I'm like, dude, this is.

Were you saying by the time it was a Super Bowl or for the Super Bowl? Or the Super Bowl? Everyone wanted it. I literally made 50. It's a big event. It's a big event, right? I get out of prison and guess what? I get in the halfway house

I'm stuck in this halfway house I'm like fuck what am I going to do I'm a convicted felon what the fuck am I going to do I call my buddy from Miami I tell my story I said dude I was selling fucking ice cream in prison like I was selling cocaine on the street

right and he was like dude what are you talking about I said dude I was selling protein ice cream he said protein ice cream he's like I've never heard of that I'm like you never heard of it so I can start Googling I never use Google right I'm like protein ice cream

there's a company called Halo Top those are good they're terrible there's five grams of protein right I'm like five gram there's only 100 calories a hundred calories okay so I'm like okay well in prison I was making these protein shakes with 40 grams so I said you know what I I said I'm gonna start one and literally I started this brand believe it here let me get the bottom ones do this is a fucking I'll take the bottom one for you do you don't try that right there right there that's an orgasm in the mouth I don't care it's the matter yeah so I got into this I started making protein ice cream on the street

And I'm literally selling this shit like crack cocaine in the 80s. This right here, I think, has six, eight net carbs, less than 250 calories, 20 grams of protein. Monk fruit is your sweetener. Yeah, this is really good. I eat four a day. This is cake batter. Strawberry. California iceprotein.com.

But a lot of gyms and nutrition stores. I'm in New York, Miami, New Jersey, Philly, and California, and Vegas. mostly gyms and nutrition stores when did you get out june 26 so four and a half months ago what's the hardest part about you rebuilding your life after a story like yours going from making a million dollars a day to making a hundred dollars a day but making a dollar profit on an ice cream bar when i used to make you know fifty thousand dollars on a kilo of cocaine this is clean money it's clean money it's from going you know putting bad things on the streets and now putting healthy things you know like for putting bad things on the streets now healthy treats

yeah this is like healthy like there's monk fruit but not sugar it's protein yeah it's fine i like it i tell people i'm if i can just sell this i mean this is going to be like my new hustle and like when i land a palette of ice cream into new york it feels like landing a pallet of cocaine into australia because it's the same rush you're like holy shit it made it right that's how i think now like i don't care about the illegal If you got the protein ice cream, do you get the girls now?

Dude, that's the new thing. Like, think about it. I used to, if you had the bag. If you had the bag, you're the man. But I'm telling you, chicks love. Look at the girl that just came out and brought this. Dude, like, these are the girls that I want eating it. Like, fucking lean, ripped, not the only fan girl.

I want the healthy girl. That's my new life. What was the craziest thing that happened in jail? Dude, I saw the Mexican mafia put a hit on a dude that owed $3,000 for drugs, and they fucking killed them. right in front of my cell they stabbed him to death i was like oh my god i was like what am i doing here i saw two guys overdose on heroin in the same cell they both took a shot we were all just sleeping and all of a sudden the guards come to their cell man down man down and they both

overdosed on heroin has anyone ever tried to get at you no in prison off no how did you stay safe in there i mean in prison you you run with your race so i can't run with the cartel because i'm I'm white, right? But there's the Mexicans, which are, like, the cartel guys, which are called Pisces in prison. And then there's the Serenios, which are, like, the Mexican gang. But did the cartel help you out and say, like, yo, don't touch this guy? No, they blessed me. Like, when I was in there, I had guys shaking my hand from the cartel I worked for.

Like, giving me bags of coffee, give me treats. Like, dude, you held your word. Like, they were happy, right? And that helped me in prison because people now are like, damn, who is this guy? Rolling Stones did a magazine. Mark Wahlberg, obviously did the documentary. So people are like, dude, who's this fucking guy? So it helped me.

Yeah. You put this completely behind you, but what do you miss most about the game besides the money? Chicks. Dude, they're going to come. You're looking. Dude, I got the fucking ice cream now. You got more level-headed women now. Chicks probably love your story.

I get a more healthier girl. No. I used to get those girls with the big fat asses and tits. Yeah. Like I said, they love the bag, right? But now I get the more healthy girl that's more into their health. Instead of going to do a line, they want to go have a smoothie out here at one bar, right? It's a different type.

A better life. It was a way better life. And I'll be the best thing about life. I don't have to look over my shoulder anymore. Yeah. Like I have. Paranoia. Yeah, no more paranoia.

You just addicted to the sweat of like... I played for the rush, man. I was an adrenaline junkie. Like, you guys probably know you game on sports. Remember that feeling you're chasing? That's how it was every day. If you can't control it, it's a dark fucking hole. It's definitely a dark hole.

Once you go down that rabbit hole, it's hard to get out. I tell people, I speak to kids now, Pop Warner and college students at the athlete level. I said, guys, trust me on this one. This is where I started. I started with the sports betting in a snowballed. I went down that rabble hole. And once you go down that rabble hole and you're making, you know, a million dollars a day, you're not going to leave and go work a nine to five.

No, it's crazy, too. That's still as popular as today. I was going to say, like, I went to see you, Boulder. Oh, yeah. Dude, every, every final, every kid was on Adderall in the life. library, then you know what they took to sleep the day after the test. You know, like, it's so popular. It's like.

Yeah, everyone's prescribed it now, right? It's honestly a problem, but it's like, obviously it took you down a different path, but I'm surprised it doesn't, it probably messes up a lot of people. You just don't hear about as much. Oh, for sure. Thank you. Who was one person you wish you listened to back done? My dad.

You said he raised you like super. My dad was so strict and he said, son, you got to get into the construction business. And he goes, in the long run, you know, slow and steady wins the race. My dad used to tell me that all the time. Did he know what you were doing? No, of course. You can't tell your father, you're fucking king then, right? Well, he had to, someone had to be curious.

No, no. He started to realize, like, I took him out. I remember in college, and I had a Mercedes. And he's looking at me like, dude, son, how are you getting this car? I'm like the boosters, right? The boosters. Oh, yeah. So he kind of believed it.

And then when I got out of prison, or not out of prison, but when I got out of college and I'm making good money. and I'm starting to build like houses and stuff he's like fuck my my boy's really doing it right he's thinking it's all the USC alumni it's something you just can't tell your dad when he visited me in prison he's like fucking you lied to me son

like dad I wasn't going to tell you I was fucking selling a ton of cocaine right he's like son I'm very disappointed and uh you know at the end of the documentary he's there at the prison greeting me and he's been there visiting me every three months he'd come and visit me in prison so he was my rock right i just kept telling myself

i gotta get out make sure my dad's still alive you know he's my best friend yeah nine years is a long time to do so yeah came out you seem like you're level headed and like you're ready to go so that's pretty impressive yeah just adapting to this real world right the social media what was it like getting out for the first time dude the phone right you get it like uber eats i'm like what the fuck's uber eats yeah i'm like bluetooth i'm like what the fuck is bluetooth right No Bluetooth? There was no Bluetooth? Putting these things in my ears and these guys are like, hey, you got to...

That shit still doesn't work, though, sometimes Bluetooth. It's still not there somehow, right? It's a hard step by step. And Bluetooth still doesn't fucking... Right? People are like, hey, I hear an echo. Like, fuck. It's such hard stuff.

Right? Dude, another one who's like, Amazon next day. That was unheard of. Only fans, right? I'm like, what the fuck is this? Only fans, right? What are I supposed to do with this? This girl's banging herself, and she wants $10 an hour, right?

I'm like, what the fuck? I was like, man, this is like the new world we're living in. So I tell people, if I don't do good in the ice cream, I'm going to only fans, fellas. Oh, yeah. What was the crazy thing you saw the cartel do? Oh, dude. I saw a guy, one of the guys that work for the cartel. His job was to bring 100 kilos from Guatemala, and the guy brought the 100 kilos over.

and I remember it the cocaine wasn't cocaine it was drywall drywall powder and he says hey you just bought a million dollars worth of drywall powder

he says if you don't go fix this you're going to be dead the guy had to go over there bring him back to Mexico from Guatemala and he had to take his head off the fucking cut his head off with a saw with a chainsaw

and I saw it with my own eyes like oh my god you saw guys head get cut off For the chainsaw. Yeah. What were you doing? Holy shit. I was over there.

Dude, what am I supposed to do? Call my mom. I would have to leave the room for that. Dude, I was, I was, listen,

listen, guys, I'm fucking knee deep in the cartel at this point. Yeah, you can't do anything. Like, did you meet like the leader of a cartel? I meant the lieutenant, which is like,

what's the hierarchy with that? I mean, it goes, so you guys know it goes, go chapel Guzman. Oh, so is what? And then the lieutenant's right under him.

And he's, let's just say this, he's not in prison. So he's still active. So he's high up there. Holy shit. Yeah. So, you know, I don't tell anybody who I was working for, what cartel I was working for. But, you know, if you watch the dokey series, obviously the DEA and the FBI, they think they know who, but I'm never going to confirm or deny. I can't.

Otherwise, you guys and I, we won't be having a happy dad any time soon. No. Right? It's not a happen to. Wow. How many people were working for the cartel, you think? Oh, fuck, thousands. Yeah, I mean, just in Mexico, probably 5,000.

And that's not even tip of the iceberg. You got the U.S., you got Europe, you got Australia. I was considered the signal caller, which is in football. The signal caller is the quarterback, right? That's why they call it cocaine quarterback. The signal caller is the guy that holds up the signs. It calls the shots, calls the plays. So I was calling the plays from the United States.

So that's why they say it's cocaine quarterback signal caller for the cartel. You never had any, like, contact with El Chapo, though, or? Not direct. But I'm not going to say that's the cartel I was working for. But let's just, yeah, let's just say that I was very close. That's a crazy story. So what do you want to achieve now that you're out, like the protein ice cream, but anything personally or?

I want to help the kids, man, the youth, right? I go, I speak now to law enforcement hires me to speak to them and talk about my journey, you know, working for the cartel. My most favorite is going to speak to college athletes. I was at USC where I played, obviously, three weeks ago, talked to the basketball team. Today I was in San Diego speaking to the baseball team. And, you know, just get the message out there.

Like, it starts small. Like, you have someone in the sports gambling business that, you know, you get involved in the sports gambling and guess what? It can just snowball. And eventually, I was working for the cartel because I got involved in this gambling. And now gambling is legal in the United States. And student athletes are going to, obviously, they're going to gamble, right? I'm a grown man.

I'm not going to tell you not to gamble, but just be responsible. Because if you don't be responsible, you're going to go down the path I went down. And that's something you guys don't want to face. And I tell these students, and they're literally listening to me talk, their jaws are dropped. They're like, holy shit, this really happened. And they come talk to me after. I'm like, dude, just trust me. Once you start gambling, it's that rush.

you're going to keep chasing it. Tell them the chainsaw story. The chainsaw story, yeah. That's all I got to hear. I'm good now. Yeah, that's it. That's part of insane. I'm sorry.

That's crazy. Yeah. I've seen like the cario is like literally what you're describing. People forget this shit's real, too. Oh, that's real. I got, dude, I got PTSD to this day. Just a prison, right? Like, you hear keys.

Because when the guards come every hour, they, they check your room to make sure you're alive at like from 10 p.m. till 6 in the morning. and they open up with the keys. So when you hear keys, I'm like, oh, fuck, the cops, the cops are coming. Like, that's, like, the PTSD is bad. Or when I hear, like, squeaks of the feet on the floor, you know, like, in a gym, you hear the squeaking, that's usually when people are, like, fighting.

That's a riot going on. So if you hear, like, squeaking, you're like, oh, fuck, who's fighting? Just little things like that. Probably going to stay with me for years, right? Well, it's an incredible story, and, yeah, we wish you. Best luck. We've got to get it on the link sometime, maybe. Yeah, we've got to play.

we got a full sign golf channel so we'll get a nice match we usually get some only fans chicks out on the course they're fine they can maybe we'll try to convert them we'll feed them ice cream we can give them ice cream yeah we'll be like get off only fans started in ice cream this is it we do ice cream now girls yeah awesome yeah well and hanson yeah thanks for everything thank you thank you bro yeah thank you there we go You know what I'm going to be.