FULL SEND PODCAST - Patrick Bet-David x Nelk Boys | Ep. 108

Episode Date: December 4, 2023

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picks let's get into the pod all right boys we are back with another full send podcast we took about is it three weeks off almost or almost a month right four week hiatus a little four week hiatus honestly boys straight up just felt like we needed a little bit of a break straight up no fucking super explanation we're on a crazy ass happy dad trip we launched the state of pennsylvania we launched the state of Georgia for Happy Dad. So it's just been a super, super busy time for Happy Dad. It's also a pretty good run. I was like, what, two years straight?

Yeah. Almost didn't miss a week. We'd take like a week or two off here and there. But we just wanted to take a little break, just kind of reset, and then come back with some fire-ass pods. So we got a fire episode today. We got Patrick Bet David. We're at his office, value-tainment.

I don't know. We're in a cigar lounge in his office right now. You didn't do much research for this one day. I did not. You didn't? I mean, yeah, I watched him. I know who he is. Yeah.

He's starting, he asked me, he's like, so is this guy like an entertainer? No, I thought he was a gambling, like, sports. Gives you lines. Well, his name's Patrick, Bad David. What the fuck? No? That's hilarious. What does he actually do?

Real estate, right? He's just like a, he's a businessman. He's a businessman. He's a speaker. I know, I'm telling. He's kind of like a, like, he's kind of like a Joe Rogan, honestly. at this point in like a way no I actually really like him he preaches a lot of

good shit he's been doing some crazy interviews but you just came from Brazil right yeah straight off the plane did one night in Brazil one day for like probably eight hours quick eight hours in Brazil for Steve's IRL straight to the favelas straight to the airport straight here so what you flew there

you were there for eight hours and then you dipped yeah that's crazy yeah that's fucking hard work straight up it was pretty successful I personally the IRL shit's pretty fun it's just not really like I don't know if it's meant for me

but it is fun it's just so different bro you really have to put on for five hours straight it's kind of hard I think well we did it twice I think they were both pretty good um you just need more people that's it

yeah but I also think it's not something you could do once a week if you really want to I think every time we do it we'll get clipped up but I think if you really want to maintain that high live viewer rate

it's not something you could do once a week and that's why I was talking to Steve about that too and I was just like honestly for me personally I don't think I'm at that stage you're in your David Goggin's stage no I'm not I mean it's just I know what it takes to do that and you'd have to do it two three times a week well don't tell him that because he's going to want to ask me

to do it two or three times a week once a week I think Steve could kill it though I told him I said he can't I think for the IRS shit I think that that he should just kind of lead the way with that and do it on the Steve will do it page. And yeah, maybe any, yeah, I'll pop into his shit and I'll give him ideas. But I think with the pod and Happy Dad

and just running everything else, I won't have time to like lead the charge and do what it takes. Yeah, for sure. Because whenever I look at something that like we're about to do or enter, I always know what it takes. And it's like you got to have that mental.

endurance, you gotta, you gotta be consistent. So, I think once a week is good. Yo, yo, what's up, bro? How are you? Good, how are you? Good, how are you guys? Nice to meet you. How are you doing? Great to meet you. Great to meet you. Both. Well, happy dad's, happy dad's, happy dad's ours.

No, I know, I get happy dad, but I was thinking about Celsius. Yeah, Celsius is just a great sponsor. So yesterday we had to show of Iran's son here, crown prince, Reza-Palavi. I'm a October 18, 1978 baby. the reason why you see a lot of Iranians in America, the business, the creators, John, people like that that are hustlers that are creating the economy, they left Iran after the revolution. The son yesterday was the first time he agreed to do a three-hour long-form podcast. I'm sorry, can you explain his position again? He is the crown prince of Iran.

He is the son of the king of Iran that fell in 1979. Wow. Yeah. So we're trying to make sure the intro. everything comes out the way it is. He made a comment in the interview that's never been made before ever because everyone's been expecting him to go back and do the job.

This is the first time in 44 years he says, I don't want the job. So it's going to be released and no one knows it yet and it's, the Iranian community is going to be blown away by what happened yesterday. It's coming out today.

Today or tomorrow. It's when it's going to come. We're editing right now at the intro. That's what we're working on on the other side. Just wanted to let us know who you had on before you come to the no no it's the meeting i was coming in from and that's what i was talking to sam about so it's purely on my mind that's all i'm thinking about right now you know

imagine like you're doing something with a trump or a you know you got a big interview coming out you want the intro to be perfect that's what we were working well now i'm curious why i doesn't want the job out why does he not want the job so you know it's a very interesting thing because as a uh uh i don't know what your father did for a living i don't know what your father did and my dad was a cashier at a 99 cent store in Englewood. Okay. So he made 1,500 bucks a month. That's not somebody where you have the pressure of, man, I got to outdo my dad because my dad's last name is Trump, Jordan,

Carlson, Obama. You don't have a last thing that carries the weight. But this guy, his dad, was the king of Iran. He started reigning Iran at the age of 21. He becomes the king. Holy shit. He's there for 37 years, bro. Do you know how much he increases the income in Iran in 37 years?

Like, what do you think is a good number for you to increase the country's numbers? Give me a number. 20x, 50x? Yeah. Either, yeah. 423X. Wow. He increases reading from 1% of the population.

From what years? 19. So go back 37 years from 79. So what does it make it? If you go back 37, is it 42, 43? Wow. Yeah. And then his father, the Shah's father, was Reza Khan.

It was a general, feared. Like an Alexander type of guy, you know, who was a killer at the same time, feared and respected, a combination of that. And he was in exile all the time. Now, you're the grandson of him. And you're the son of that being your father. And everybody for 44 years is expecting you to go back and bring freedom to Iran. The pressure's on you no matter where you go. And yesterday, I finally asked him a question.

I said, do you want the job? Are you willing to do it because you have to do it? And he doesn't want the job. So the pressure's like, hey, your dad's Michael Jordan. You're going to be like him? Right. So not everybody's going to relate to that. And unless people who have had that kind of a shadow before them,

it's a shadow why a pastor's preacher's kid does things because everybody's like, your dad's a pastor, you should do good. There's a certain level of pressure that comes with it. I know you grew up in Iran. Like, what was it like growing up there before you moved here? So what was it like? Okay. So I'm, I was born three months after the king got kicked out.

Okay. So I don't know what that era was like. The era of the 60s and 70s, you know, like think about who's the most beautiful girl in the world today. If you put a name out there, you could say Margot Robbie. You got a lot of names. Who would you say? I'm not going to say on the pod. I can't shut down like that.

Who would you say? Livy Don, you know her? Of course. She's gorgeous. Yeah, yeah. But don't say her. Give another one that you can give some credit to. Who would it be? Megan Fox was like a smoke back in the day.

Okay. So Margo Robbie, Megan Fox, Louisville. I agree. That's a good lineup. I would say Margo Robbie, Wolf of Wall Street. I would say Megan Fox. Transformers. Transformers won, which.

Insane. On the motorcycle. Once her and Shai LeBuff were out, I'm not interested. Of course. I love Mark Welding. I love Shire, too. Shy is a underrated. Now, now MGK got in there.

there it's like what did you see what you're talking about fury which part with shia and fury no you never seen fury oh of course that's right with brad pitt yes and the tank they're sitting there and the kid is peeing because he's nervous they're about to it's a phenomenal movie they talked about a story how he's so fucking like dedicated to the game that he felt like his character needed to have a missing tooth and he yanked his tooth out to get into character on set he's one of my all-time favorites all time favorites i love that guy did you ever see the movie he did you ever see the movie he did acting his father. Have you ever seen this? Oh my gosh. How about even Stevens? Even Stevens is which one's the show? Come on bro. What? Those are early stages. Yeah exactly. It was like a kid's

show. Okay. Which is great. I don't want to take that away from him. But anyway. So he did a movie. He did a movie on his father and acting like his father. And there's a scene where he's like 10, 11 years old, hooking up with a prostitute at this hotel he's staying at. And then after he's done doing the movie because his dad was a creative actor but he was tough i think amazon did this movie maybe it's called honey boy i don't know if you guys can't look it up i think it's called honey boy and he plays finishes this movie and he says dad i want you to be the first person to watch this movie and i want to watch you so he puts the movie imagine you're playing your dad a complicated human being he puts a zoom camera to watch his dad

watching him act him he says it was the most pressured moment of my life i think he was going around promoting the movie phenomenal movie but anyways going back to uh yeah we went from iran to king of iran to hottest smoke shows in the world margot rabbi to you know um but yeah so back then iran in the 60s and 70s the point i was going to make is margot rabbi fox you know done elizabeth taylor was that in the 70s in the 60s in any in any in a worldwide it was her it was Sophia Lorenz Sophia Lauren but was she from Iran or was she's from the state okay okay worldwide she was everyone's fantasy okay it's pretty your age this is a long time ago Elizabeth Taylor is a different story she was married eight times the ambassador in Iran to US was dating Elizabeth Taylor she would go visit him

Frank Sinatra Davis june all these guys would go to Iran to put concerts because Iran was the place you would go to party. Most people think about Iran. They think desert. Like I remember when I was in the military, they would say, so did you go to school on a camel? Did you go to school on a donkey? Like, you know, they think about the phrases,

camel jockey stuff like, I'm like, listen, I've never seen the camel in my life before. I see many donkeys. I've just never seen a camel in my life in Iran. And but Iran has these mountains, snowing, skiing. Like Aspen of Iran is insane. Parties. Really?

It was unbelievable. It was one of the top three countries in the world where the rich would go for vacation. Like, you know, people go to the Alps. Iran was one of them. Like, if you were well, like Iran was Dubai before Dubai was Dubai. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Except Dubai doesn't have the mountains. Dubai doesn't have that.

Dubai is flat. Iran has the mountains. And so for me, my memories are post that. I heard those stories. You know, there was a club called Kabaret Tehran. Kabaran was like Studio 54, incredible night. life. You'd go that you had no clue was going to be there at any given moment. I was there post. So when Khomeini came through, to us it was war. I've never played outside. Like I've never

had permission to play outside as a kid. My dad was worried about because kids were getting kidnapped and they would steal your body parts and you would find your kid in a hotel with body parts missing, but they're selling it for a quarter million to man, 100,000 to man, 300,000 to man. That's how money was being made. That was a big business. And who was Iran at war with at the time? Saddam Hussein. And it was Iran and Iraq. It was ugly. It was constant war. So I'm doing that with kids. They're cutting them open

and the body parts out like that. Yeah, absolutely. It was a business model back then in New York. So parents feared kids playing outside. Yeah. Wow. It was a different life. But, you know, like a couple things about Iran. When I came to the States and I went to junior high school, Wilson Jr. High School in L.A., Glendale, and they're giving me math. I'm like, why are we doing math that we did in 50?

grade. They're like, no, this is algebra. So, no, I get it, but we did this in fifth grade. You did this in fifth grade. What did you do this in fifth grade? In Iran, we were, why are we learning? You were ahead in Iran? Iran's math. The level of advancement in math in Iran is unbelievable. Really? Why? Why do you think that is? Because the Shah, I mean, it's a tradition that he, you know, he invested billions of dollars in education. And one of the ways he felt he was going to compete with the world was simply through math. If we can get our kids to be better in math, everything is math, right? Everything we're doing right now is math.

Angles are math. When you started it, timeline, how long we're going, segment, question, you ask sponsors, when you put the sponsor, do you put it at three minutes? Do you do your intro first? Then you do the sponsor. Everything is math. This is all mathematical formula. So Iran was big on making that investment.

And, you know, when you come to the States, they're like, wow. You know, you think you're dumb in Iran and math. You come to U.S., you're like, I'm pretty smart in math. Or am I smart or dumb based on the standards I'm in? So we've dropped the ball in America immensely when it comes on to that. But Iran, they were very much focused on math and education. It was just messy. I want to ask you, going back to, you said your father was a, he worked at a, or is a cashier

at 7-11 or convenience store? 99-cent store, yes. So where did you said your previous interview pressure from the parents? did your pressure come from to become successful? I actually had no pressure to become successful. As a kid, my parents never looked at my report cards. So I don't have, you know, you look at my report. I have a 1.8 GPA. I just loved math. I didn't could care less about anything else. But when I went to the military, right after my mom goes back to Iran, I'm staying on my sister's place. We party till 4 o'clock in the morning. This is a time where my seven days a week, I'm

partying. I'm just, that's my life. And I did that till about 24, 25. And in one day, 25, at a club in L.A. Highlands, big fight broke out. And I'm like, this is the last time you're going to find me at a club. Cops arresting us. I'm out. I said, listen, God, let me go. But prior to that, I was going to do 20 years in the Army is what I was going to do. Benefits, travel, you know, systems, you have to be at a place, food, chow hall, you do this, you become a sergeant, you do this, you become an E6, you've been for 10 years, you make $3,200 a month. It's a very predictable thing that you can do. So I got in, and then one day, I'm in Fort Campbell, Kentucky, one of my friends calls me,

Kogan, and he says, what are you doing? I said, I'm reenlisting tomorrow. All the orders I want it, my colonel got me, Colonel Peacocks. Sears, DLI, Sears School is a school you go to that they can break small bones because they're teaching you to be a P-O-W prison awards, a very intense school that you go through. It used to be very hardcore. So I got DLI, which is I spoke four languages so they can use me for different languages

to go, you know, gives you better points to move up. Special Forces, 18 Delta, fifth group. And then I was able to go to Vecenza, Italy, which is the base you want to go to. It's like the base to go to, party, fun, but at the same time, you're in Europe. And I get the orders. Kogan calls me, says, Pat, you should get out of the army.

You can't be re-enlisted. I said, dude, I'm re-enlisted tomorrow for six years. He says, you can't do that. You've got to get out. Why? He says, all of our friends. man, we think you can do something with your life if you get out. Like, no, I'm not, I'm reenlisting. He said, I want you to think about it.

For one hour, he's pitching me on getting out. Hour later, I'm like, going to sleep. I can't even sleep. I wake up in the morning. I go to Colonel Peacocks. It's a colonel, I hate to disappoint you, but I'm not reenlisting. And they went to Virginia to get my order, so it was a big deal. Anyways, I get out of the Army. I'm a Hummer Mechanic. I can't find a job. There's only one Hummer dealership in not Thousand Oaks or whatever, that area, Cameroo area. And then I'm dating a girl, Jean-Vier, who's working on Morgan Stanley Dean with her. I get a job at Morgan Stanley Dean with her a day before 9-11.

I get my Series 766 to all these licenses, and I love my job. Then 9-11 happens. And then I leave. I go to trans. We're at a party. When I say trans, I mean trans America today, you got to be careful when he said, I go to trans because, you know, you could say Patrick's transitioning. I wasn't.

I'm a straight guy, and I'm happy with him. But, yeah, so I go and you asked the question about what got the fire. We're at an Syrian Christmas party, 25 years old. My dad's going around talking to people. One of the relatives disrespects my dad in front of me in a subtle way. Because my dad was a guy that helped everybody out, but he lost everything, divorce. So he was kind of like seeing. You went from being the guy that was a chemist.

Now you're a cashier at a 99-cent store. You don't have a wife, you're this, you're that. And I've never felt that kind of a rage. in my stomach ever before. I don't want to hurt this guy because he's a sweetheart of a guy. But I hated the fact that somebody talked to my dad that way

and he felt he had the permission to talk that way and I felt like I gave him the permission my father's only son. I can't even tell you what it did to me. I told my dad we're leaving a party and he says, we're not leaving. You're at my party.

I said, no, we're leaving. We're not going to stay here. He says, no, you're not going to disrespect me upon him. I said, no dad. We're leaving. We leave. 30 minutes in the car, we're going from Glendville to Granada Hills.

were fighting. I said, I'm going to make sure the world knows your name. I'm going to make sure everywhere you ever go, they're going to know who your son was and how amazing of a father you were. So my dad, a couple weeks ago, he's having heart surgery down the street here, and the doctor comes in, he says, I know who you are. He says, how do you know who I am? He says, because I know your son. And I also know, there's only one other nose I've seen that big, and that's your son. And, you know, they're laughing, they're joking, but, you know, that was the first moment I'm like, okay, what are you going to do with this fire? And then it wasn't about becoming financially free because you want a big house or a car

or all that. It was because the byproduct of that was the money and the wealth. Right. And then it's proven. And then from there on, you have to find new fires to keep going because what are you going to do when you got money in the bank? Now, what are you working for? It's got to be a different reason.

Damn, that fired me up. Got me motivated for sure. And then how do you go and start what you have now with valutainment and stuff and everything you're doing now? Yeah, you know, so there's a quote that really messed me up when I was 26. It says sometimes on a way to a dream you get lost and find a bigger one. Like, what? What's this even mean?

You get lost and find a bigger one. Like, I want to do financial services until the day I die. I mean, I'm good at it. I'm liking this. This is fun, you know. What do you want me to get from this quote? So then 26, 27, 28, I hear the magical words for my parents. I'm proud of you from both of them.

You actually believe them. You know, sometimes moms will say they're proud of you because they love you. And your dad, if you're Middle Eastern, will never say it. But then I finally heard it and I looked them and said, I actually believe you. Okay, check. That's been checked off. I wanted to hear that. But 28, it's kind of like sitting on saying, what are you going to do?

What are you going to go and had a handful of people that I respect a lot. They were my advisors. I had a meeting with all of them. And I say, guys, I need your help. I want to know what I do next and they said what do you mean I said I want to know what I do next making money is easy this is America capitalism you can make money if you do your part but it's got to be more than that so who's the enemy you know what am I fighting for I got a book coming out on December 5th called choose your enemies wisely business planning for the

audacious few I think three components of somebody that does something very big with their lives one they experienced unconditional love from one person you only need one person to give you unconditional love. For you to know that's possible and it exists, normally it's someone's mom, but you need, meaning you can get arrested. You can do anything you're doing. That person's going to love you no matter what. You have to experience that. Number two, you have to have that because you have to know that it's worth the pain. Love is worth the pain you're going to go through in the chaotic times. The second thing you need is hardcore betrayal and pain from someone you loved. so you love somebody so much

but no matter what you do you're never going to get this person no matter what should I don't know if you guys have read Elon Musk or not it could be a female it could be a father yeah it could be a mother

it could be a uncle it could be anything but it's pain pain so you're constantly engaged and proven to this person that you're worthy but no one knows

it's a secret between you and that person it's a relationship and you're never going to win but you need it and the last one is the right enemy Most people don't choose the right enemy. Most people choose a dumb enemy

that gets them for three months or three weeks or a couple years and even brings that the bad side of you. But if you get the right enemy going, it can bring out a whole different side of you. So going back to what you're talking about, the plan or the vision and the wealth, I'm going there.

I decide what I want to do. I realize in insurance, it's a very small space. Nobody knows the best insurance agent. If I told you right now who's the best insurance that you would laugh at me. Like what is, you know, who is there? No one knows. There's no sports center.

Tana-na-na-da-da. You know, this guy wrote seven. two policies tonight. But media is the way to go. And at the time, I don't know what I was going to do with media, but I watched it. And then in 2012, 2013 is when I started the YouTube channel kind of testing out content on business. And then maybe we can turn this into a media company. Now we turn into a full-fledged consulting firm. Our consulting firm will be a billion-dollar consulting company probably within two years, two to three years later. For what? For businesses. For for CEO as executive, you know, helping you raise money, putting your pitch deck together.

You know, you're having challenges with your partner being the mediators there or strategy for your comp plan on how to put the variable. So that's a whole separate thing from the media side. That nobody knows about. Wow, I didn't know that, yeah. Oh, yeah, that nobody knows about. How many clients do you guys have for that? Probably have 3,000 clients for that.

Wow. Yeah, 3,000 clients for that. And how many, like, employees does it take to run that? Not a lot. That's only 100 employees you need for some like that. But, yeah, the consulting side is a blast. And the reason why that's a lot of fun, it's because you know how the people who win the votes

are the guys that are out there talking to people. Like, for example, Tucker's talking to people. If Trump announced that Tucker's going to be the VP, would you be surprised? Would you say, why would he choose him? You'd say, no, I get it. Because he's shaking hands. He's going to Spain.

I'd be pretty surprised. Why, you think that's coming? I think an alliance was built six months ago. And I said this on podcast and the video, everybody was talking about it. I said, I think, when I'm, made the $100 million offer to Tucker, and he turned it down and went to Twitter with Elon. You know what he said to me? This is how I took it. I took it as Elon's retweet is worth more

than my $100 million, which it is, by the way. If Ilan told you right now, every episode you put on Twitter, he's going to retweet your first episode there for 52 weeks. Kind of eyeballs are going to get there. It's going to be insane. So if you said, I'll put it there first. Then I can put it everywhere else. It's pretty powerful. So then I saw the alliance being built, with him, Elon and Tucker, it was either Tucker's going to run in 2028, but Tucker's going to help Trump for 2024 or Tucker's going to be the VP. But if that were to happen, it would be bonkers. I don't think Tucker's going to be the VP. I don't know if he's going to be the VP. All I'm saying is he has definitely got to be one of the candidates for Trump to consider

as a VP. He's got to, he has to consider that as a short list of five to 10 names. He has to. You know why? Here's why. I love Tucker, but he's, He seems like he's, like, also super divisive, too. Well, I'll tell you why. I think Tucker could play. I love him, but I'm just trying to think on how to win. And I love, let's let's have that banter. That's great.

So in your mind, you would think, you know, he would need to go get more like Mike Pence when Trump announced Pence as the VP. None of us know who he was. You're like, Mike who? Right. Mike Pence. Who's Mike Pence?

Oh, Indiana had no clue. Okay. Why would he choose him? Well, because he needs to win the state and et cetera. So, okay, great, get it. But this time around for Trump to pick a VP, he's not picking it because he wants a Mike Pence. He's got to pick a VP that he knows can be replacing him for eight years

to continue what he's doing. So you're not picking a VP for a low-key, chill, easy-going person that's not going to be, you're picking somebody that's going to replace you afterwards for eight years. So the strategy to pick in a VP has got to be different than it was in 2016. I think Tucker's formidable. And Tucker has an alliance to, Elon and that aligns with Ilan. Elon, I don't know if he's fully yet on Team Trump

because he started off with DeSantis and he's kind of like right now sitting around see what he's going to do. I think Elon is still a free agent. They got some personal, personal like, Who's Dick's Bigger kind of beef? That's right, that's right, which we'll never know who's Dick's bigger, by the way,

but what will happen is, you know, Tucker could be the mediator. To be like, hey, guys, America's bigger than this. let's figure this thing got inside that what are you going to do ilan you're going to waste your vote and go vote for Biden or newsom or kamalo or what are you going to vote for and none of these other guys are fighters why don't we make it work i think that's the battle elan's going with but uh that could happen and by the way everything i said it's also very likely none of what i just said could happen politics is very unpredictable i can't see Tucker i'd be pretty surprised Tucker would be the first president to pack his in the oval office right

Yeah. Tucker will be what? The pack of Zinn. Oh, yeah, got it. You know he loves the Zins. Right. I see that everywhere. We were at the fight last week and then Trump was there. Tucker was there. Kid Rock. I saw that. And they were all. I saw that. It was like the Republican Avengers. What did you think about that? How was it? It was cool. We've had Tucker on the pod too and he's super cool, just down to earth, cool-ass guy. But who did you have that didn't like him that afterwards liked him? Like, did you have anybody that's like, man, guys, I don't I don't like this guy. And then afterwards I like, dude, he was actually pretty.

cool like our as of our fans from your guys from your your your your i don't think i don't think anyone disliked them before but after that it just showed how cool he is and like how much of a real guy he is you know our fans loved yeah our fans love but that's what i'm saying but what i'm saying is for those that are on the edge they're kind of like i don't know man if you spend time with them you're like them right so you know that's the part where you're winning people over when you sit down with them. That's why I said Elon, Tucker and Trump, there's an alliance there being built and it's a very strong alliance. Who else do you think could be potential VPs? Who else do I think could be potential? Pending Trump wins the nomination. Well, I mean, okay, so if you go strategically,

you have to go with states. Okay, so Arizona carry, you know, if you want to go with, like if you go with Nome, Dakota, he doesn't need Dakota, right? Is he going to go? But if he gets Nome, she's very attractive, very well-spoken, solid. So it could be good for the women vote. Okay. I think some of the stuff Haley is doing, he can't pick Haley because she's two establishment, war, war, war, kill him,

take them out and Trump's not giving that kind of an answer. So I think Haley just lost the job. I don't think Vivek brings anything new as a VP that Trump's not already doing as much as I like Vivek. What's Vivek going to bring to the table? They're too aligned. He has

to bring an audience that Trump doesn't already have. That's why I think Tucker could bring an audience with Ilan that that could be a good alliance. But Tucker could also be a person that plays an advisor. It doesn't do that. That could also be a role that he could play. There's a lot of names being dropped, but all I'm thinking is he's got to pick somebody

that's got to go eight because he's only got four. When you're on your second term, you're not, you know what it's like? It's kind of like this. Say you guys have Happy Dad right now, you guys own it, all right? And then you have certain things that you want to do that maybe you're not yet fully doing, okay? Because you have a certain amount of money.

But then you go and you raise $50 million. You go and raise $100 million. Now you're not worried about money. So now you can test the thing that you really wanted to test, but you couldn't test it with your own $18 million you had in a bank. Hypothetically, what I'm saying that. The second term, you can play more aggressive than first term money. It's a second term.

So second term, it's like, hey, because you'd be in jail. Nothing happened. Hey, because we'd get Mexico to build a wall. It didn't fully get done yet. Why, though? Was he being too diplomatic, even himself? You know, Trump is so competitive sometimes that he also wants to convert people.

He doesn't think he can convert into liking him and supporting him. He's that competitive. So there's certain people you're just not going to win over. I think this term, it's going to be, here's what we're doing day one. one, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Because guess what?

I don't give a shit if I get reelected. Because I don't need to get reelected. It's my second term. So your VP needs to be very important to take the rain after you. If you get somebody that's too soft and can't be a president four years later, he has to think like a Reagan, senior became a president four years later. He has to think of it like a Lincoln. Ulysses S. Grant became a two-term president and he was his VP.

You have to think like a Obama, Biden became a president. You have to think like whoever's going to be after you instead of just you. But again, you think Trump thinks like that or he just thinks, I got to do whatever it takes to win. I don't think he thinks like that. I don't think he thinks like that. Trump's usually thinking about himself most of the time, right? That's the, but it's not that he's usually thinking about himself.

Look, there's something that. I think he just misses that chair in the White House. Yeah, I think so too. You know what it is? How selfish is good. Is it good to be? be selfish or is it good to be selfless? That's the real question, right? Yeah. Like, what is a person who's 100% selfless and zero percent selfish look like? What does it actually think about it?

Probably not very successful. Probably not. Well, what else though? Is that person a net positive to society? No. Probably not. Do they smell good? Probably not. Why would they smell good? Because smelling good is a part of being selfish. Would they take care of their face or what they wear or how they present them? Probably not, because they don't give a shit. They're selfless. Now, go to a person that's 100% selfish. What do they look like? You're going to use words like what? Narcissists. They're this, they're that. What does a hundred percent selfish person look like?

There's plenty of them today. They're what they look like, physically. They're like a little bit too much. I had a friend. He was so good looking and handsome. One of them were going to a nightclub. You would shave, you know, these guys who do their goatees flawless perfectly? You know, those guys? Like the line is like chiseled line. Yeah.

His line was a little bit off. He says, you know, I just asked that girl, she don't want to dance with my goat He's off. That's why. I said, bro, you're the best looking guy in a club. What are you talking about? He says, no, she could tell my goat. I said, it's dark. Nobody could tell your goat's off. But the 100% selfish guy's probably just because he had a goatee in general. Probably because he had a go to. But the 100% selfish guy's like, dude, you don't want that person as a friend. You don't want him as a spouse. You don't want them as a father. You don't want that person. But it's still a bigger net positive to society than the 100% unselfish person. Because at least they're taking care of themselves. right balance is 70-30. You can debate Trump is 80-20. You can debate Trump is 90-10. The right leader is a person that's typically 65-70 selfish, 30% selfless. And I think Trump flirts would be higher than that. It's going to be interesting to see what happens. Do you prefer Trump wins or do you think DeSantis still even has a chance? We had DeSantis on the podcast a couple weeks ago and it was an interesting conversation. It was the first time I saw I'm kind of getting

comfortable and loose and talking, but, you know, like, I'll give you one perfect example. I asked DeSantis, I showed him the clip about his boots because they say he wears high heels. And I said, how tall are you? He says, 5.11. Okay. There's pictures online of his marriage with him and his wife. And they're the same height. And she's 5, 6, 5.6, 7.7. Maybe she's wearing heels. Maybe he's 5'8. There's pictures of him playing baseball. There's pictures of him when he was younger.

After 21 years old, how many more inches do you grow after 21? Right? And he wears these boots, and it just doesn't look good, right? So this hashtag for two days was trending called Bootgate after we did the podcast. And I asked him a question,

and I gave him a box of Ferragamos, his shoe size. I'd love to see you wear dress shoes and tennis shoes. And he says, I can't accept a gift. You know why I was doing that I was doing that for there to be a moment of levity and self-deprecation for the audience to be like

you know what? I like him. Let me give him a chance. He's a human like me. Because when Trump went on Jimmy Fallon he says hey Jimmy, Trump they say your hair is a toupee He said my hair's not a toupee It's my hair He says, you sure? Can I touch it? He says, well I'm about to go to a fundraising at Rhode Island

I just hope the people in Rhode Island know if my hair is messed up is because of Jimmy. He goes like this. You know what Jimmy does? Have you seen this? He messes with his hair. He pulls his hair. He says, no, it's real.

Guess what? Done. The world watching and said, no, he thought he was an uptight, you know, guy. He let Jimmy play with his hair. What was that all about? These are moments where people kind of say, he's like me.

DeSantis' challenge is, my opinion, and I asked him, I could be wrong. You ever met people that grew up in an environment where they were walking on eggshells with a father or a mother that every, hey, dude, and that kid grows up like, hey, if you ever want to be a president, you better make sure you don't do this

or send this text or send that email with this picture because, God forbid, one day comes back, dude, that kind of a life is a miserable life. I watch DeSantis, I watch somebody who's walking on eggs shows. So you don't think he has that personal, that person ability to be electable? Unfortunately, he hasn't shown it. Right, yeah, he hasn't really.

He hasn't shown it. And you have to have it. You have Obama had it. And by the way, though, okay? So on this podcast, who's the main core pillar of this podcast? You, right? Both of us. In every platform, there's somebody that's the dog, that's the leader, and somebody that's

the flag carrier. You have to ask yourself, are you in the flag carrier community or the alpha? So now there's levels to this. What does this mean? Obama was the alpha. Biden was the flag carrier. Biden became a president. Reagan was the alpha.

George Bush Sr. was the flag carrier. He became a president. Paul George the other day. I don't know if you know Paul George basketball players. He says one of the sickest things the other than on his podcast. He does a podcast with a friend of mine's son, Dallas. Dallas is a freaking talent. I love Dallas.

And he says, you know what took me 10 years to realize? I can never win a championship as number one. Who said that, Paul George. Can he imagine one of the best players. ever who has scored 50 points. God knows how I'm averaging 28 points a game. You don't think you can win a championship as a number one. Do you know what level of maturity and wisdom it takes to say that? Who couldn't say it? Westbrook and others couldn't say it for the longest time. That's that 30% selfless, right? That's the part. So Durant even can't win as a number one.

Durant didn't win as a number one. Not at OKC, not at Nets. Not in Damien's way. He was never number one at Golden State. He was freed by Steph Curry. But he's never won as a number one. Steph Curry is a number one. Dreymont Green is a flag carrier. I don't know if he was freed by that though, because he got a lot of hate for doing that. Well, because he wanted to prove to the world that he was number one and he hasn't proven yet that he can win without a Steph Curry. He couldn't do with Kyrie. Everybody's put a team around him. My point I'm trying to make to you is DeSantis has to ask himself, is he a flag carrier president? You can still be a president, but Trump's an alpha. So he could have easily been the guy to helped Trump be a flag

carrier, and then he could have ran 20-20. He would have gotten MAGA. But because of the way he took his position, unfortunately, I don't think MAGA, majority of MAGA is not going to forgive him. And they're going to remember that forever to come. I wonder why he made that decision, because that would have been such a formidable duo, Trump DeSantis, 2024. And you think there's no chance that that still happens? Well, I asked him, I said, when's the last time you call Trump? I don't need to call him. I said, would you be willing to go have a meeting with Trump at Marlago? I'm not going to fly out to him. I'll get on a call. You can't say stuff like that. You're not the alpha. You can't talk to an alpha like that. He's the alpha. You're not. So, you know, like, who's the

alpha in UFC? Like, as a guy that runs the show. Dana. Dana's an alpha. By the way, is it even a question that he's an alpha? No, he's the guy. You don't tell, well, Dana better this. What are you talking about? You go build a company. from 2 million into a 10 billion dollar company with all the bullshit every time you're being criticized taking shots he's the alpha he'll take the arrows he'll go after media he'll do all of that right so it's almost immature to think you're at that alpha's level and the only reason somebody does this in life we've all fallen for this and it's so problematic when you fall for this spell it's one the worst spells you ever fall for so for example somebody comes into you you guys have a good relationship let's just say but somebody comes into you and says you know what man he would have never made it without you it's because of you forget about what everybody says you're the guy that's doing and they flatter flatter flatter flatter and then all of a sudden you guys get into a fight he doesn't know why you're fighting because somebody

whispered in your ear that you're more important than him they made they made a division here why are they doing that but it's been done for many times it's not hard to do that happens all the time but you got to be you you you've been around the block you're everywhere you've been around for you've been getting views for a long time way before some of us got started you were That's what happens in our group, too. I know it happens. It's like, if I'm out, everyone's going to say, oh, Kyle, you're the funniest, blah, blah, blah. If it's Steve, they're probably saying the same thing to him, probably Stiney.

Like, and then you start to hear all that shit, and it slowly creeps up on you, and you're right. It can create these little divides. There's no question about it. It's crazy how it works. And by what happens in marriage, happens in everything. Every team. Yeah. Teams, yeah.

But guess what, though? Guess what? Amongst the three of you, one of you has to be the leader. It can be a 33, 33, 33. 33. One has to be the shot caller. This doesn't mean you have to agree 100%. Someone needs to be the shot caller. Someone, I believe, was in DeSantis' ears so much saying you're better, you're better, you're better, you're better. So much feeding him that he fell for flattery, thinking he's the alpha. And I even asked him, I said, do you think, you know, without Trump's

three tweets when you barely won the first time as a governor by 34,000 votes, do you think you would have won without the tweet? In this book, he says, Trump helped me win the governorship. In the interview, he says, no, I would have still won? You can't say that. You can't say that because it's not true. Like in your career, who's giving you your biggest break? I mean, Dana's definitely helped us a lot. Imagine if you say without Dana, you know, we don't need Dana self. What are you talking about? It's a little bit to, there's words for it that can used and I think it's more than arrogant it's ungrateful it's unattractive you know to to not want to give that so again I don't know politics the one thing about politics is this

it's a little different though in that in that regard right where he just doesn't maybe doesn't want to look weak and he thinks so I actually can't compete with this guy yeah I get that that there's an element of that but diplomacy requires you do how are you going to get you don't see that often in politics where people give others credit that they're competing against, right? But you do, though, when Reagan won presidency, the day he won, he's given his inauguration speech, and, you know, Khomeini throws all the prisoners of war

back to Iran and release, back to U.S., and releases him, Reagan in his speech says, I want to thank President Carter for this, because this is his doing, and he gave credit to the, that was around, that element works, because, and why did Reagan do that? Because he needs Carter.

He's going to need Carter to call and say, hey, man, what do you think about this guy when you were dealing with him? You know, like look what Kobe did. Kobe did it the right way. Kobe, everybody knew wanted to kill Michael. But Kobe still had a relationship with Michael where he could call and have the conversations with them.

There needs to be that diplomacy and credit being given because it's attractive. People like it. What do parents want at the end of the day? What do parents want from us? What do we want from our kids? It's giving me a little bit of credit. Yeah.

You know, without my dad, without this, without that. They want a little bit of credit, right? they're looking for. And if you do that, I think Trump would flip and come in. And by the way, I think Trump will forgive even if DeSantis starts now. But I think DeSantis has to take the first step, not Trump. Such a crazy thing. And then what do you think? Do you think that Biden's going to be the one to run? Or do you think that Newsom's going to step in? So here's the, because isn't he doing a one-on-one with DeSantis soon? Yeah, he is. He's doing a one-on-on with DeSantis and Fox. Yeah. That's going to be crazy. That's going to be crazy. But again, you know, you know who wins there? Who wins? DeSantis or Newsom?

who wins actually think about that i think newsome wins i mean i think you're saying newsome but i don't know no but but i'm not asking the question of who wins the debate right who gets the w for doing just the fact that one got the other one to do it who won there in negotiation yeah probably newsome for for in the current state of things why newsome though i mean he gets that exposure that he couldn't really get right but but why why does newsome get the credit instead of the santis actually think about it you know what it's kind of like What's your favorite sport? What sport do you guys like the most outside of UFC?

What do you like the most? NFL? Yeah. Okay. Imagine you are the Eagles. Okay. You're in the playoffs. All right?

Arizona Cardinals convince you to play a game with them while the playoffs are going on on a Thursday night. What are you talking about? You're giving eyeballs to who? Arizona's not in the playoffs. Newsom's not in the playoffs. What are you doing this for? That's a massive event.

victory for Newsom, not DeSantis. DeSantis should have done that a year ago, because a year ago, that was the time to do the debate, because everybody was talking about California and Florida. It was a phenomenal time to do it, and he wasn't running yet. So if he would have done that, then he would have beaten Newsom, then he runs. People are like, yeah, this is great. Now, you're only going to lose. There is no winning here because Newsom's not a candidate.

Isn't he already going to lose, like he's technically going to lose the nominee right now, too, so you could argue that he's, this could. be this could be a big moment for him to say listen they're going to run newsome i just destroyed him in a debate yeah it's kind of like he's on his last legs right so so check this side you guys how do you judge when a youtube channel is dying when it's views okay so how many guys do you know they're like oh my god look at that guy well 100 000 half a million subs million subs so you're going to go to view 300 000 300 000 300 000 views every the 600 000 600 000 so 1.2 million did you see 2.8 million boons on and then all

All of a sudden, 62,000 views, 32,000 views, 17,000 views, 13,000 views, 18,000 views, 19,000 views. You used to get a lot of eyeballs. What happened all of a sudden? People have checked out. So the way you judge it is go look at DeSantis' last 10 interviews, and what he has to say, go look at RFK's last 10 interviews, go look at Vivek's last 10 interviews, go look at Newsom's last 10 interviews. You know who's the lowest out of the four? DeSantis is the lowest.

because he's repeating the same thing. So because he's repeating the same thing. You're just boring to watch too. You're boring to watch. It's like, I already know what you're going to say. Yeah. How many of these motivational YouTubers were saying the same thing? They said 10 years ago.

They're saying to them, the audience has grown up. And they're like, look, man, you don't want to talk politics. I like knellke boys. I like what these guys are. They're willing to. You guys will, you're mainstream. Your brand is mainstream, right? But at the same time, you don't give a shit.

You'll have Tucker here. Yeah, well, but the point I'm trying to make to you is that shows what to your brand, brass balls. and a market looks at it and says I don't agree with this person they're having on but would they have to agree with is what give you credit that you have brass there are certain people

when you gauge those eyeballs you know he's just not he's just not getting those eyeballs thanks brother Sam thank you so that's the issue there you know one in analytics nowadays you guys are analytics you're I'm sure everything's analytics if you put all these guys at analytics

and look at the last 100 clips and then choose the top five best clips on each, there's no, not much interest on what the sentence has to say, because it's been the same thing the last hundred times. But you think Newsom steps in or, or they run Biden? I think Newsom is unpredictable. You know, you know who we love to follow? I feel like they have to run him. But here's the problem. How could Biden possibly win? Here's the only thing. If you can figure this thing out, I'm about to give you, Newsom can run. You ready? This is the biggest problem Newsom has in the Democratic Party has for having Newsom run. If Newsom runs as a president,

That means Kamala has to sit down. If Kamala has to sit down, now Republicans have an easy card to say, the group that talks about their four women and therefore African Americans and therefore this, they just asked the VP who was the most formidable qualified candidate after the president to be the president, they asked her to sit down and they call themselves Democrats. If Newsom ran as a president and they asked Kamala to sit down or go away, it is the easiest playbook for the right to keep playing. That debate's going to be nasty towards the Democratic Party.

Nasty. So that's the biggest problem they're facing. They have to find a, and by the way, they're creative enough. They'll come with a way. It could be something that she has to come out. So the way this works out the right way is, you know, we're having some personal challenges of my family with my kids. And although I love my country and I will give anything to it,

but I have to choose my family. This is what Biden would say. Now, that's what Kamala has to say. That's what Kamala. And I know you're thinking Biden has. Biden's going to have health issues. With Biden, his wife's got to come out and say, look, you know, I sat down and I had to talk to my husband. And you know, as a wife and a doctor, our priority right now I feel like my husband's done enough for this country, given 47 years of his life or whatever the amount of yours is, it's time to be a grandfather.

And as much as he wants to do it, we had a family meeting and we told them, no, honey, you can't run anymore. We'll fall for that. like we'll be like oh wow what a no we all see it too actually is what should happen exactly but now go find a way to spin it with kamala how do you spin it spin that one that's a tough spin biden's spin is easy yeah kamala spin yeah it's scientific i mean you got to be like and by the way they're they're they're creative enough and deceptive enough to figure out a way but that's what they're probably working on right now because they know it's catastrophic five out of six states that are the ones that are going to determine

who's going to be a president on all polls pretty much is showing Trump ahead of Biden five out of those six states so the Dems are not going to sit there and take it they got to do something but I guarantee you in their strategy meetings

they're figuring out a way to get Camalo to come out and step away and I don't think she's going to do it such a crazy time right now too with everything going on in the world I feel like this this could be the last kind of chance for America it seems like it's just seems like it's slowly falling apart you ever feel like that i do um but also at the same time

you know here's what's going on which is which is wild so five years ago were you guys doing podcast no when did you start doing podcasting think like two years ago okay and how rapidly has the podcast climbed it climbed quick because we already had our mother channel which was the lifestyle channel that we used to push the podcast so pretty quick and a recognizable brand we recognize you we know you right because we've seen you so many times five years ago did you think you would have political people on your podcast definitely not not people that we've had yeah so but what flipped because it's a decision you made what caused you to make that decision i think we've always like had those views and stuff but honestly just the opportunity okay pretty much what was there ever a conversation

about the risk of doing so was there ever like in yeah i think the first The first time we linked with Trump, it was definitely like a little bit of backlash. And they took it down 24 hours later, all of that. Yeah. Well, the first time we met him was we went on Air Force One with Dana. So that was the time, right before the election. That was the time. So we got a bit of backlash.

But we just didn't really care. Like, we just kind of feel the way we feel. Bingo. Yeah. Bingo. Yeah. That's the part. So the people who have the voice who were worried about

saying anything or taking positions no longer give a shit and now they're being vocal. That's a problem for the other side because now we're finding each other and the people who are like us you know what our way is the DNA of people

who are waking up and finding each other we're typically a community of people that lift each other up how you're doing you guys got this going to awesome how can I support let's collaborate let's do this let's do we're doers We'll go make the money.

We're doing our part. But, you know, for the longest time, the saying is what? Never talk politics. Never talk religion. Never talk this. And that's been fed over and over and over again. You never do that with your YouTube channel or podcast. Trust me, you're going to lose half the audience.

But no, I think the reason why I have a lot of hope for the future of America is because the right people are finding each other. And they're united. And they're setting aside ambitions and they're saying, no, man, listen, you're for freedom. I'm for freedom. Let's roll. Let's go. Good. Good. Let's roll. That's what's happening. Freedom fighters for the longest time. If there's not a reason to fight for freedom, guess what we do? We go have our babies. We go have our own ambitious. We go buy our farm. We go by or whatever it was. For years, even we go do our thing. But if God forbid you screw around with that, then all of a sudden, you ever seen a movie Troy where he's hooking up with a girl in a tent and they come out and say, hey,

Achilles. Such and such happened. He looks at the girl and gets up and goes, does the fight, kills him. Thousands of Achilles have been woken up the last six, seven years. And these are guys that are doing their thing, and you don't even know who they are. They're just kind of minding their own business. So my confidence comes from the fact that you don't wake up true believers, and they have. There are bullies that seem like they're the toughest people out there in the marketplace that intimidate people, but they're not. The toughest people are the people that are not afraid of facing bullies.

And the people that are not afraid of facing bullies are now waking up, coming to you're not going to do this to America. You're just not going to do it. And by the way, 2024, I call 2023 in November of last year, the year of investigations. I said, everyone's getting investigated.

It's just going to be shittier in investigations. 2024, I'm calling the year of chaos. It's going to be the most chaotic year of our lifetime. Super chaotic. seen what's going on D.N.C. yesterday. They almost got a fight or stuff. Oh, my God. Was that with the senator? Oh, it was.

There was almost a fight in the Senate here? Yeah, of course. I couldn't even believe that was real. The protesting, the riots outside about Palestine. Did you guys see that? What happened yesterday? At the DNC headquarters. Okay.

So Israel, Palestine, Hamas. Biden can't lower the temperature with that. Yeah. Is that not crazy to you that that's happening in this country? Like, harder than it is anywhere else? else i think it's happening everywhere it's happening but i mean you see it maybe it's just because of what i see on like my phone around socials but it's no those are going on everywhere around the world no i get that but they're pretty powerful here which is a little bizarre so maybe what you're

saying is you know they are going everywhere but america's never been this bad and it's okay so why though why were you raised with a strong father or was he pretty chill pretty strong pretty strong how was your pops in the middle in a middle yeah could you get away with shit or would you put a And something, fuck, that's when he would be, he'd fucking kill me. But what happened when he, when our father was away? What do we feel like we could do? Anything. So my parents got a divorce twice, right?

When they got a divorce when I was 10 years old and that's the last time they were together, my mom one day, we're in the living room. She hits me because I came late or something and then her hand hurts. Fourteen and something, Mom, what are you doing? But in that moment, my mom could no longer tell me what to do. I'd come home at 11 o'clock, 12 o'clock, at 9. night, what are you going to tell me? You can't tell me anything because it wasn't somebody I feared, right? Just like a boy needs love, fear, and respect. They need somebody to love, somebody to

fear somebody to respect. Typically, love comes mom, fear and respect comes with that. And if you can love, you feel love from that, even better, right? But we need somebody to fear and respect, okay? As much as we need somebody to fear and respect in order for a company, a country, a city, mayor, governor, state, president country, that leader needs to impose fear and respect into everybody. Which of those two does Biden impose, fear or respect? Neither. Exactly.

So guess what happens when you can't impose fear and respect? Bullies wake up, tyrants wake up, and they're able to take advantage of you. Nobody fears or respect America today. Nobody even likes us today. By the way, likability is the last one. If you can get a president like Reagan was a trifecta, Reagan was all three. They liked them, they feared them, and they respected them.

You wanted to have dinner with them, but you don't want to cross them, but he respected him as a man as well. This guy is somebody, right? We don't have any of those three today. Okay. And someone said with Trump, or you didn't have likability with Trump,

but you had fear and respect. Say what you want. You better fear and respect the guy. You know, hey, you're going to do something, Rassam Soleimani, boom. The guy that was a, leader of six proxy militaries he called themselves the most powerful general in the middle east he kills him and then it's like do something and iran retaliates and bombs a building in a military

base that they knew was empty just to say we retaliated no he didn't why not because you know the guy's crazy enough to do something to you if you even touch him we need to hurry up with this next election and get somebody that's feared and respected or all shit show is going to get even worse and i think 2024 is going to be really the year where America needs to go back to be in feared and respected. That's why it's a very important election. It's going to be chaos. It's scary time around the world. I mean, you got the Ukraine, Russia, war, and now with the tension now and the Israel-Palestine thing, it's just taken, it seems like there's different sides forming and different regions of war going on now, right? Yeah. But there's multiple

battlefields. I think this is the first time that I've noticed that people are actually starting to change their political opinion. Like, I've noticed a lot more people are starting to start. to go more right just because this shit's getting so out of hand that I've never seen anything like that like as I've grown up I think even the companies are learning where the money's at too I mean you saw the whole bud light thing too right I think the companies are now seeing like oh you know what we can't go this left or we're going to start losing money I think the bud light thing was the first example of that and now even YouTube we used to deal with more censorship on YouTube three years ago than we do now I mean you couldn't even make a trans joke three years ago

You would get. No, you're right. Because I know we've been doing the shit. Yeah. You could not do anything trans-related, nothing. You can't even touch it, talk about it. Now, like, you can pretty much do whatever you want. So I even know YouTube is actually becoming more lenient because they're seeing what

happened with X and stuff. And they're saying, you know what? We can't go this far left. Or we're going to lose money. So you said something very important, though. Why did that happen, though? YouTube came up with an email to users saying, hey, we typically. would have taken down questions about the election integrity, but moving forward, we're leaving

those videos up. That's why we got our first Trump interview deleted. Because, yeah. It was only because of election fraud. So, and now they reverse that. You're allowed to question the election. So think about that. So you may have been one of the reasons why they did that because that interview goes up, why are you taking it down? You know, why are you taking it down? Six million views and whatever hours you guys got and all this stuff. Why are you taking that part down? But, you know, this is what prevails, though. Common sense eventually prevails, and bad ideas get exposed. 100%. The other day, this guy named Professor Scott Galloway. I don't know if you know who he is or not. He's like a, he's like a God in NYU, Professor Liberal side. He had a CNN Plus, gave him

a million bucks to do show. Obviously, CNN Plus went out of business. But he's on Bill Marr. And he's there with Andrew Cuomo. And Scott is saying, well, look, yes, we made a mistake with the vaccine and the shutdowns, but this is the time for people to show grace. And we need grace. No, no, no, no, grace. He kept using the word grace. I'm sorry. Where was your grace when people disagreed with you? Where was your grace when Elon Musk was buying 9.6% of Twitter and he says he's lying. He's full of shit. He's got all of you guys fooled. He doesn't want to buy it. He's just playing games with all of you guys. Elon makes an offer to me. the entire company, watch and bail out.

He's not going to buy it. Watch, he's going to use us as an excuse to not buy. He doesn't have the balls to buy it. What does Elon do? He buys it. After he buys it, what does Galloway do? Keep trashing them over and over and over and over again. Where was your grace guy? So there's

an element where their ideas got exposed to say, stay home. The same guys that were forced shutting down and having everybody stay home with their kids as the same attorney, a surgeon general that comes out and says, there's this thing called a loneliness epidemic. You're the reason why there's a loneliness epidemic. You're the reason why kids were staying home. You're the reason why people couldn't go see people in states like

California and New York. You're the reason why this happened. And now they're getting exposed. So then what happens after somebody's getting exposed? It's accountability. The accountability part has to happen. If the accountability part doesn't happen, you know in China, the first thing to have to figure out for capitalism to work, what can capitalism not work without? What do you need for capitalism to work? You need what? Think about it. People, say, well, you need money. Well, you need this. Forget about the money and the ideas and the entrepreneur and all that stuff. What do you need for capitalism for you to feel protected that if you go build a business, somebody can't bully you and take shit away from you. What do you need?

You need laws. So 40 years ago, China had some four law schools. Nobody followed the laws. A corrupt country cannot have capitalism because somebody can come in and say, give me your business, moving forward. This is mine. Get out of here. Give me 20% everyone because there's no laws, right? The reason why our system has worked is because we have laws. However, if nobody's held accountable for all the shit they did during COVID, people are not going to trust the system. So there needs to be an element of accountability taking place while we're going through this next phase. But it's going to be interesting.

I think Elon did a very good thing buying Twitter X. If he wouldn't have done that, this would have been a very different climate. All the people that are very confident posting stuff on Twitter, you wouldn't be able to do that a year and a half ago. there's no way. Now they can't. So Elon was the first tipping point. I think what Chris is doing with Rumble is very important. They're playing a very important role because there's competition. And at the same time, the country and the world is starting to realize you guys had some shitty ideas. And now even people from the left are starting to say, maybe there was voter fraud.

Maybe you guys had some stuff like this. Maybe you did. They're questioning it. Questioning it two years ago? God forbid you questioned it. No. So hypocrisy is being exposed. There needs to come with some level of accountability. Fauci's been very quiet after being considered the sexiest man alive by Guardian. You know, he needs to be held accountable for what he did to make sure the next time. We're going to have another epidemic and pandemic, guys. It's going to happen in our lifetime. It happened.

Whether your age starts with a five or six or seven when it happens, it's going to happen. We do not want the same behavior to happen. So there needs to be accountability for that to improve. But, yeah, social is very different. The fact that we can talk right now, and this can get distributed to millions, of people and hear these ideas and then they go home and talk to their mom and dad and cousins and friends about it. That's what's awesome about it. Because if we didn't have this, we'd be getting bullied by mainstream media on a daily basis. All right, boys, we're going to interrupt the

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Another, uh, kind of uncensored platform, Daily Wire. Do you, do you see the beef between Shapiro and Owens? What's going on there? Ivan's, yeah, he called her disgraceful and... I guess, uh, Candice Owens is being like a little anti-Israel and obviously Ben Shapiro's been on a tear, like going to universities right now, just having open debates with people. So they actually got into it on Twitter. I didn't even see that. Yeah. And they both work for the Daily Wire. Ben Shapiro said, Isn't Shapiro technically her boss? I mean, he's a, I think he's an owner of the company.

But like, I don't know if he's her boss, but yeah, he basically said, uh, she made like a cryptic tweet that was like kind of going at him saying you can't serve money in God at the same time. And then he replied and said, like, if you think that you're serving money here, like, you can quit. So it's like. Civil war at Daily Wire. It's the best way to put it. It's too like heavyweights going at it. But let me ask you, who's, who's, uh, whose fault is that?

Like, there has to be the first chip that falls. What's the first domino? Probably Candace, like, back in Kanye a little bit, probably. Okay. So when you bring somebody like Candace to your platform, has she shown a platform, has she shown a track record of agreeing 100% with everybody? Definitely not.

So why are you surprised? Yeah. You shouldn't be surprised, right? When you bring somebody like that in, like, if you bring Draymond Green to your team, is he all of a sudden going to be, Oh, yeah, absolutely. I'm not going to, you know, chokehold Rudy Gobert for freaking 10 seconds

and get a five-game fine and get suspended. Yeah, you're going to expect something like that to happen. You know, Dennis Rodman can go from any team to any team. He's bringing his reputation with him. Whatever that reputation is. Candice has bringing a reputation to Daily Wire. I think they've got to keep it private when you're going through stuff like that. And it's not a good look for the brand.

I'm sure they'll figure it out. because I think inside they have enough people that are reasonable people that can make them sit down and have a conversation with each other. Knowles and, you know, Walsh and Jeremy and Peterson, they can have a meeting.

They need to have an emergency meeting to bring everybody to get. Jeremy's shooting a movie right now, I think in Holland or wherever he's at. They got to do an emergency zone which if they haven't already done it. She was on Tucker yesterday. I don't know if you saw that.

It came out? It came out already. Oh, okay. Tucker's first question was, what happened with you in band? He called you this crazy. Is you your boss? He asked her to question.

yesterday. And it was the first interview she did after the backlash. And she's sitting there pregnant doing the interview with Tucker. So yeah, I think. And what was their response to that? She said, well, listen, he's not the boss. The boss is somebody else that I actually get along with. And it's not even Jeremy right now because Jeremy's shooting a movie. I don't know if she said that or not. But it's the fact that Jeremy's not the boss. But he is one of the owners and he's one of the OG founders of the brand and I don't work for Ben and we can't have disagreements and ideas we always had and she said in the last five years anything i've ever said ben has pretty much been on the opposite side vaccine he was pro she was against all this stuff so she's

kind of talking about that i don't know what's going to happen i don't know for long term which is fine they're allowed to disagree there's nothing wrong with that it's just it's just interesting because yeah i guess you you don't like when republicans quote unquote disagree but it's they're allowed to disagree Yeah, but there's one thing here. So what is the one thing that Ben is saying, I'm not compromising? Oh, he's not compromising on Israel. Exactly.

No way. That's the only thing. He's okay with everything. Yeah. But Ben is like, no. And by the way, a part of it, a part of it you have to respect Ben that at least he has that core of a belief

about Israel, which means he's 100% true because he's hurting his business. This is not a good. business move before you do something like this, right? A part of it is this is where I stand, but it's not a good business move what he's doing. It's a good move with Israel and the Jewish community because they're not sitting there saying, wow, okay, so we know where you stand with this,

but it's not good for the brand to show that kind of division because then it means I can't come to your brand and have an opposing idea because if I do and say this, you know, this is the part that I'm going to get in trouble. So what if I want to call out a position with Netanyahu? I can't be a party organization. And that may very well be the case because it could happen

to many different media companies. But yeah, it was not pretty day yesterday for Daily Wire. These guys going back and forth. That might be the most divisive thing to like talk about even like more than like left

and right times like a thousand. Why do you think that is? Why do you think that that gets so set? I don't know. And I'm just not. I'm not sensitive. It's like you're sensitive. I think because the way that people are dying,

children are dying. So I think that, and it's been, there's been so much animosity between both sides for so long. It's been going on for thousands of years. But this is, but, yeah, but this is the first time it's been everybody has seen it all over social media. Like, not everyone has had this exposure to it, from my knowledge. Would you agree there? You're right. And some videos are resurfacing from 20, 30 years ago, comments that were made and people are getting educated.

And it's uncomfortable. You know, it's interesting. I was talking to the, when we first started a part of the, podcast, I was talking about the Shah's son, Crown Prince, and his father, on October 24th of 1976, is interviewing with Mike Wallace from 60 minutes. So think about the date. October 24th, 1976, okay? He's interviewing with Mike Wallace. And in the interview, guess who calls out the entire Jewish community? So he says, what are you saying?

He says, well, to be honest with you, the Jewish community has way too much power. He says, what are you saying, Your Majesty? He says, finance, banking, media, newspapers. He says, like who? New York Times? Yes. Washington Post? Yes.

The media, less. This, and then he stops. He said, I don't want to go anymore. I want to pause right there. He called out how much power they have. What happened to him two years later? He was kicked out. So there is a lot of power that the Jewish community has, and that's clear.

By the way, this whole thing that the other side uses, they use the word cleansing, right? Look what Israel is doing. They're cleansing. The Muslim population has doubled in the last, whatever, 15 years, 20 years. A couple billion people worldwide. You know how many Jews there is worldwide? 15 million. 15 million.

So if you kill a thousand Jews, that's the comparable of killing, you know, well, let's do the math, 15 million, 100,000, that's an equivalent of killing seven. You see how I did the math when I'm going 15 million to 2 billion. Of course, any life as someone's kid is too many. And then Musk said something very powerful on Rogan when he said, every Palestinian child, you kill your, You're increasing one member of the Hamas population. Yeah, I saw that. Yeah. And what a great point, because that level of animosity,

kids going to grow up seeking vengeance for the rest of his life. Rest of his life. He's not going to, you know, forget about that. Look at RFK. He has his dad's name. What happened to his dad? His dad got assassinated. Robert Kennedy, Jr., Robert Kennedy gets assassinated.

He goes 14 years addicted to drugs. Okay. his uncle gets assassinated John of Kennedy his dad's supposed to be the president and now he's running at 70 years old where he's at today

you don't think that's been something on his mind for all these years you don't think he's seeking his own kind of a return to come back and prove a point you know and find out what they did to his family

try to destroy and tarnish to Kennedy last him and the family that's a example in America imagine what they're going to do to all these Hamas and Palestinians and them So, you know, unfortunately, you know, Netanyahu may want to cement his legacy as, look what I did. I'm the one that went and got rid of them and this, this, that.

Great. But what you did do or could possibly do is continue many wars that will happen after you're no longer the prime minister or the president. That's what's going to happen. So, and this is, again, and I know this kind of sounds weird. Do you know what happened when the Shah was running Iran back in the 70s? There was no war in the Middle East. everybody was making it work because there was relationship it was peace there's a business model as well for chaotic Middle East the more chaotic Middle East is the more they can be controlled and the more

money you can make for different industries you know weapons of mass destruction all this other stuff you know the military industrial complex so you know the people of power behind closed doors there's some that are sitting there saying oh we got a war the market's about to go up and look what happened to the market last couple weeks it's up what happened yesterday up 550 yeah so it's actually a very strange business model that's so what do you think it's like the solution then or how do you think this will all end or it's going to go on for years well the challenge is it seems like the war's never going to end no no no that's never going to end because they they have differences i mean look not to have fun with this or you know turn into a joke have you seen adam sandler's a movie

where he's the hairdress, you know, the... Don't much of the Zohan, of course. The Zohan, right? And he falls in love with a Palestinian girl and he's Jewish. I don't know if you've seen the movie or not. The other day, my kids wanted to watch it because they're going through all of Adam Sandler's movies.

They love Adam Sand. My wife's favorite comedian is him. And we watch it, we're like, wow, everything about that movie is today. And Ali G, you guys know Sasha, Baron Cohen, the freaking de guy, right? That's my guy. So when he would do, you know,

what's the one, he says, so why is it that people, you target are the euthanasia. He said, why is it the euthanasia? He said, no, it's something you do. It's called euthanasia. Anyways, he has these two leaders from Israel and Palestine, and he's talking to them. That's when he was Bruno, right?

That's when he was Bruno. He says, so why is it that, you know, you guys, is the number one reason why you guys have a problem with Hamas because the pita bread gets in the way? Yeah. And he says, no, no, you're confusing. between hummus and Hamas he says so what's the difference it says we both like hummus and then Bruno says so at least you guys agree on something you both like you know someone's got to

come in to try to figure right away to you know bring them together Trump was going in that direction when they moved the embassy from Tel Aviv to Israel Abraham's accord there was some progress being made but at least there wasn't somebody capitalizing off of it Bruno might have made the most progress so far right I made the most I mean that that clip is hilarious by the way so I don't know honestly I don't know you guys have friends that it can keep a straight face for a long time like you know you did one one of my favorite skits that you did is freaking funny as hell what did you do you went to the house and he said why do you have Biden why do you have Trump stuff here I'm offended which one was it they putting the Trump can put in the Biden signs on your face you kept it right some people have

that gift that they can keep it. I have a guy one of my guys, Mario, right-hand guys, he can keep us. One time we're going on a flight, and it's one of those flights where you go down, and if you go left, it's going Bakersfield. If you go right, it's going Phoenix. But you're not going straight into the tarm, you're going on the tarmac, you're walking, right? So we get on the plane, and I said, Mario, let's play a prank on this lady sitting next to us with two kids.

So our flight is going to Arizona, but the other one's going to Bakersfield. They close the door. We're about to take off. I said, so what times are meeting today in Arizona I'm sorry like the other one's going to Bakersfield she's on the flight thinking it's going to Arizona but that one's going Bakersfield

I said what times I'm meeting tonight at Bakersfield she's looking at us what do you mean excuse me we're talking we have a meeting to Baker'sville there's a schedule 6 o'clock where is this flight going Bakersville going to so and Mario keeps us

he starts talking to for like two minutes she's like this is going to Baker's I can't get on this flight I'm trying to go to Arizona She calls the flight attendant and comes And man, you gotta stop the plane I can't go to Bakersville I have a wedding to go I have this place to go to But Mario stays like this right

And he kept a straight face And then eventually Mario The lady's like they're playing with you She gets all upset I can't hold my fist cut I gotta look this way I'm part of this community Sasha Baron Cohen bro

Yeah What the hell is that all about Even the Will Ferrell You see the one with Will Ferrell He says the plums Right he says let the boy watch. It would seen that one when

I don't even think Will Ferrell is at Sasha's level. No, Sasha's the goat. Even when he was Allie G, he was in the people that he's been able to get in the same room with as when he's trolling him. Like, he's the OG troll.

Yeah. It's insane. Have you guys done anything with him or no? No. That'd be insane. I think you guys got to, that would be hilarious. We should try.

You should, yeah. That would be funny as hell. I want to ask you, this is kind of off topic, but you always talk about, like I saw clips on TikTok today about how if your kid wants a video game, you make him read 10 books to get the video game.

This is like a true thing. You raise your kids a certain type of way. Do you think that that's not happening enough? Like that same, you got to study, you got to go in school, you got to focus. Here's a problem with standards. This is a problem with standards. The sooner, the later you set standards,

the less people are going to follow it. The sooner you set standards and you keep it, the more it's normal. you know my my son his week is insane starts early it ends late he's swimming for an hour then he goes to soccer then he goes to jujitsu then he goes to baseball batting cages and he's working on that that's a schedule every day right four sports in one day oh yeah oh shit you got too much for him or are you trying to like well it's not about it's too much for him it's normal for him by the way we're very capable human beings sometimes we underestimate how capable

kids are one day I'm in Panama and I see a four-year-old kid with a two-year-old if that pushing the kid in a car shopping cart by himself and I'm looking for parents nobody's around what the hell is this four-year-old doing taking care of a two-year-old baby natural instincts we got from very early on but if we don't use them you don't put them to work it's a waste of a talent and a god-given bill so so to us we think too little of our kids We see them as too soft. We don't see them as capable. We're like, okay, poor kid, poor this.

This is not a poor kid. Stop calling your kid's a poor kid. He's not poor. He's okay. So you set the tone in standards and Dylan comes and says, Dad, my friends, I tell him what my day looks like. Do all kids have schedules like this? I said, every kid has a schedule like this.

So I'm telling you, I'm talking to my friends. There's schedules not mine. I said, that's a schedule to bed David family. That's what you're going to be doing. Okay. So now last night What is he doing at 9.30? For an hour straight, he's got weights on his feet.

I'm not telling him, I'm like, sit down. He's going on. He's going like, ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta. And he's running around soccer, don't know-round soccer, doing it in the back there. Don't know. In the club room that we have in our theater room. So Dylan, sit down.

No, no, I got to be ready. I got to be ready. Dylan, grab a seat. You're sweating. You got to go shower again. No, daddy. We're going to win. We're going to win.

I'm like, now it's like, it's his Y-ring, okay, on what he wants. to do. But no, with us, you know, I grew up in an environment where I never was expected to do to do anything. First time I ever read a book, I was 21 years old, cover to cover. Why, though? Standards. And then I get checked by my first sergeant in the Army, drill sergeant Green, who expects standards like this from me. And then all of a sudden, I'm pissed as an 18-year-old, you know, kid. And I'm like, and then, boom, he sets me straight in these three are the tough guys. so we're like this and I start doing stuff

I didn't think I was capable of doing going on four hours of sleep for six months straight I'm like so the body's capable of this damn no wonder some countries are able to get better soldiers and our soldiers in America we're worried about us spending

tens of millions of dollars on them transitioning and you think the enemy is going to be like oh there's a transgender guys we can't kill them God forbid because it's not proper thing to Do you think the enemy things like that? No. The problem with America today, which we're going to pay,

if you want to know really what price we are going to pay for, is our low standards with our kids. Yeah. Super low standards. Military, low standards. Schools, low standards. Parents, low standards. And just like Dana said, he said, he told one of his kids,

he says, look, in a time like this. Yeah, it's a Clementine right now. Yeah. The next generation is a bunch of people. Yeah. But he said, if you are at all a killer, you're going to freaking win out of high. level, right? You're going to freaking dominate the marketplace. And he's right. It's the ultimate

season for people to have higher standards. You yourself are going to be surprised at what levels you're going to win because we're in a very very low standard economy today. Why do you think people, it seems like people just don't have faith in themselves. They don't think they can accomplish certain things. I think the parenting is a big thing too. And the parents are getting pressure from society, from media to kind of be a bit softer and stuff, right? I think as opposed to other countries. See what they do in China with like the AI checks and the students? It's like they're like breeding like a next generation. So imagine you're looking at your enemy doing that. What do you think about? And you look at your kids in America. You're like, ah, yeah, I think in 20 years we're in

trouble. That's what we are. Okay. No, you can't do that. No, you can't do that. No, you can't talk to kids like that. What are you talking about? Like, you know, in the military, one of the things about the military. If you couldn't mentally take it, forget about physical what they did to you. Mentally is what the game was. Hey, you know what happened last night? What happened last night, what's your girlfriend's name? Mary, what's your best friend's name? Joey. You know they were together last night and she was screaming his name. And you watch guys break down crying and get out of the army. Are they fucking with them? Constantly fucking with them. Of course. Oh, they're messing around. Of course.

Damn. Just to what? Test their mental fitness? Just to see if you can stay. Just to see if you can stay. By the way, go on the NBA. And you ask about guys like Larry Bird or Michael or something. Peyton, how these guys talk smack.

Some guys can take it. Right? Yeah. So now, Pat, Pat, what do you say? Are you supporting, bullying? And I'm not telling you that. But I'm telling you a little bit of being pushed around and getting your ass kick. That's good for you.

You need that. We don't have any of it right now. It's like, God forbid, you do. God forbid, you challenge some kid. God forbid you expect them to do something. No. So, yeah, and by the way, here's the thing. People will be critical and they'll say,

but Pat, I think you're being too tough and this and this and that. Come see how my kids are with me. Come see where they wanted to be yesterday. Florida yesterday, we had a little bit of a weather challenge here. So school was off yesterday because of flooding, right? Yes, where my kids wanted to be yesterday. At the office with me.

So what do they like about being at the time? the office. Why do they want to be at the office? Are they that miserable? Or do they like it? What you'll end up realizing is they want the standards. They want the high expectation. It's a form of showing love to somebody. When a parent doesn't give a shit what you're doing, the kid interprets as that maybe he doesn't love me. Maybe he doesn't, you know, then I'm going to go do whatever I'm if somebody's like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, and is able to show love, why, this guy cares about me that much that is expecting this standard for me. It's pretty powerful. You know, But we need that.

Everybody needs and should want a person of high standards in their life. Everybody. It's such a beneficial X factor to those that went at a high level. Yeah, you seem like a dope dad. Your kids are lucky, but your kid, yeah, until your kid comes home with like a D on his report card. He did. My kid has a... What did that look like?

It's very easy. It's actually a very easy conversation. He waits for two weeks straight. Any reason why your kids come to school with ankle weights? No, it's actually not like that. So one of my kids had an F last year and had an F this year. Very simple. You get no iPad if you have anything below B on your report card.

It's not an argument. It's not a fight. You got an F? No problem. You don't get iPad and you don't get to pick movies. Nothing. But Dad, I want to play iPad. Totally get it.

Bro, don't worry. One time my oldest son thought this standard was going to go away. And he's the guy that likes VATI. video games the most. And guess what happened? Three and a half months, and this was October, November, December, mid-January. He didn't play a single iPad or video game. That's Halloween, Thanksgiving, and Christmas. Can you imagine everybody, Christmas, we're all together in Aspen, everybody's together Thanksgiving, wherever we are? And you're the only one that's not playing video games on iPad. And everybody asks, how can we not playing video games on iPad? Because I got a C, I got a deal. No problem.

Has it improved since then? Of course, it's improved. Oh yeah, he's got A's and D. He's nice. Yeah, of course. You know, if you want it, you'll improve. And if you don't want to, guess what I'll say to him? I guess you don't like video games that much. I thought you liked video games. I do like video games. Well, dude, you've had a C for two months now. So if you really like video games, you would improve. Totally fine. My style of leading, it's your choice. I set the standard. Then it's up to you to choose whatever you want to do. But this is my standard. I don't want to read books. You don't have to read any books. We also don't get to get X, Y, Z. The standards matches incentives if you if you if you if you find those two together but by the way the same goes with uh america look how many single single uh mothers we have having kids today in 1940 was four percent in 1940 96 percent of kids that were born they had a mom and a dad married think about that stat in 1940 96 percent of any kid that was born was born to a mom and a dad married wow that's 96 96 percent i don't even want to know what is it now only four 4% in 1940.

You know what it is now, right? 40% are born to a single mom today. 40%. It went from 4% to 40%. This is stand from the government. I'm not giving you anything that's... That can't be factual. Actually verified right now.

I'm going to text it to you right now. That's crazy. When you see this 4% to 40%, okay? So now, once I show it you and you see the numbers are right from the government, here's the question. What's the next question you and I want to ask when you hear a number like that?

Why? okay so what caused it okay so do you know what's the first time the welfare system started where we started giving money out to people like what year social security started under which president do you guys know no fDR okay so he started kind of doing the social security and all this other stuff that's going on so okay this is how we're going to get rid of poverty in america cool incentives to single mothers send them money they need help No problem. 1965, LBJ, Lyndon Johnson,

increases the welfare benefits to a whole different level, incentivizing mothers who have kids who are going to give them money. Okay? When you see 1965 on a number of percentage of single mothers, then all of a sudden it goes like this. And it climbs all the way up to 40%. So in 1965, they create the incentives

for single mothers to have more kids. So imagine every time you're having a kid, 500 bucks, 500 bucks. You've got nine kids. $4,500 the government's paying you. And then if you do get married, the incentives go away. So why would you get married?

So you find somebody like, I'm going to get married to this. I'm not getting married to you. Why? I'm going to lose these benefits from the government that's being sent to me on a month of business. So are you tripped that to welfare?

The number change? Incentives. Incentives dictate what we do when your incentives change bad behavior or good behavior shows up if you incentivize let's just so we feel like people are just being a little more sexually free do you think it's more of us there is no people have way more sex back than than today you think people are having more sex today there's no i think stats proves people were having more sex back than them today hippies but with like random people like one night stands like girls

oh sex stats show we are having the fewest sex we've ever had i don't know what i don't know who you're looking out there well definitely not you guys i'm not talking about you but but do you know the level of the the percentage for men under the age of 30 as virgins is the highest it's ever been no way bro you know do you know that's that that percent yeah i'll give again another one i'll show you these are things that we this is what percent of 30 year olds are virgins that's the style we're looking up i i will give you both of them right now okay uh i'm going to call sam yeah you guys by the way you're i'm sure your audience doesn't struggle with this um why do you think that's so high virgins because it is they're having sex with the phone yeah why would i need to be worried about

having sex where the best porn today you got access to so many different porn only fans there's so many things i can do today what's the craziest stat you have that one's pretty interesting but do you have any like just crazy percent of something bizarre i mean those alone are there's a lot of them the more you you get into it uh with numbers and stats it depends on what topic you want to get into topics vary but you're talking with kids you know low standards today incentives determine what we do in our behaviors all right so here we go brandon sent one to charge that's from the u.s census bureau 4% to now 40% that's fucking insane that's insane that's insane that's the that's the senses growth of unwed childbearing oh so unwed unwed

So you're a single mother, you're not married, you're having these kids. So people are also getting married less. People are also getting married less. How what? How down is a marriage rate? It's hardly the lowest ever been. People are not getting, I mean, look, men are afraid of getting married for a different reason, right?

So why are men not wanting to get married? I've been married now, 14, June 26th became 14 years. Wow. So we take it one year out of time, by the way. Yeah. So one thing about marriage. What do you, would you recommend marriage? to us. Steiny texted me this morning and said, hey, bro, I think we got to get girlfriends.

Well, just randomly. I did say that. That's actually true. But, but I, but I'll, but I'll, but I'll, but I'll, but I'll, but I'll, but I'll, but I'll, but I'll, but. Do you guys? Do you want a family? Do you want kids? Are you still in the phase of you're running? You're having a good time. How, how are you? How are you? Same. Okay. I mean, listen. When did you when did you get married at what I got married at 30 is when I got married. But, but, but I had, I had a lot of fun. An army is, it's, it's mayhem. You know, people think in Army... Hey, so what did you want to talk about? Well, I want to tell you about Wagovi.

Yeah, Wagovi. What about it? On second thought, I might not be the right person to tell you. Oh, you're not? No, just ask your doctor about Wagovi. Yeah, ask for it by name. Okay, so why did you bring me to the circus? Oh, I'm really into lion tamers.

You know, with the chair and everything. Ask your doctor for Wagoe by name. Visit Wagoe.com.com. We just work hard. Man, put the uniform on, go on, and see what happens. It's just a very weird dynamic, you know, when you're in the Army in different places. So we had a lot of fun. And I used to go to Vegas every other weekend and when I was living in L.A., so we had our fun.

But if you're not done, don't do it yet. Yeah. If you're not done. But I will tell you, man, there's a lot of different highs in life. There's a high when you have money in the bank. There's a high when you buy your dream house. There's a high when you're being recognized. There's a high when you get love from your family.

There's, you know, high. There's all these different highs. There's nothing like a high with kids, man. That high with kids is a complete different story. Complete different story, the high with kids. So I highly recommend it. And I don't recommend that having it without a steady husband and wife, father and mother being in the house together. But I would highly recommend getting married.

I thought you were going to say I wouldn't recommend it without getting a pre-up oh there's there's no way I'm doing it without a pre-up anybody who tells you don't do it would get married without a pre-up is a full is that like kind of like a that's a tough negotiation I think wife though no way no what's what's your go but don't they say like obviously the wife says like what do you mean you think we're gonna get divorced someone someone someone said you ask him do you love me for me or do you love me for my money no problem go ahead and let's what you want to role play you want to role play all these objections we can do that go ahead be the wife be the girl why am I

that you're the girl you do you do you do you do you Do you know the script? If you know the script, I'll be the girl. Go for it. I don't know the script. Go ahead. Steinie's not getting a pre-nub for sure. So here we go.

I'll be the girl. You're going to tell the girl, like, yeah, I won't make you get a pre-nub. Yeah, fuck yeah, I'm doing that. So, okay, so let's roll play. Let's see if you know the script. Okay. You know what?

If you love me, why would you want to get a pre-nup? Because we love each other. So we share everything we have. Oh, so you're being the girl now. Yeah, you said I was. Okay, so you'd be to go. Okay, so we love each other. We should totally get it.

But at the same time, people change. And I don't know what's going to happen with you five, 10, 15 years from now when you change. When you do change, and if you do change, I'm not going to risk everything I worked on for the last 32 years for them. God willing, I want to be with you for the rest of my life. But if all of a sudden you change, you want me to risk everything in the past, I'm not doing that. But Pat, we love each other. We're going to be together forever. And I'm betting that we're going to be together for the rest of our lives.

But again, God forbid, if you choose to all of a sudden do something, Is something going on back there? Yeah. Is it really? No shit. Is it really? Were you guys here yesterday to see what happened or no? Were you in Florida?

Yeah, we were here. It's crazy. Oh, I heard that. Yeah. Insane flooding, like the 12 inches of rain or whatever, school's getting shut down. But no, I'm having that conversation with you, and I'm telling you up front that I don't know whether you're going to change or not. If you don't change, we're going to be together forever.

If you do change, I'm not going to give it. up what I've worked for for last 13 years like for certain people or for you was that an uncomfortable conversation to have zero uncomfortable was it an easy one to pull off absolutely you know why if you carry the weight you have the leverage good luck finding many men that are responsible men that have their shit together go ahead and find them yeah go ahead a doer if you're a doer as a man and you carry the weight and you providing experiences and on all facets you're doing your part go ahead i had a meeting with a guy so he's he's having this conversation with me yeah he's got a beautiful wife a syrian guy love this guy from chicago he's one of the guys we consult for

he makes 40 million year super successful guy right we're having this meeting and he says what do i need to do for me to retain my c-suit executives what do i need to do sometimes i go to sleep and i'm afraid i'm going to lose my executives and they're going to go to a different company i said are you married he said of course you know my i said i know your wife you're I said, how pretty is your wife? She's beautiful. I think your wife's beautiful. You think your wife has a lot of options for other men?

It's like, what kind of question is that? I said, it's a very honest question. You got a beautiful wife. When a man sees a woman, they don't say, oh, I can't look at her because she's married. They're like, she's hot. And you think there are certain men that are willing to break the rule and flirt with somebody that's married? Plenty of them are out there. Okay, great.

So how come your wife hasn't left you yet? You think you're the best-looking guy in the world? You think you're the richest guy in the world. What makes you think? You think you're the best in any area of life. How come your wife hasn't left you? By the way, for five minutes, he doesn't know what to say. He is completely, now you know where he's going?

He's going to, do you know something I don't know? Is my wife about to leave? He's freaking out, right? I'm about to get my wife to leave. But that's not the case. You know what it eventually came to? Here's a part. Five minutes later, hasn't said a word,

then he eventually says, because I deliver. I said, that's all you got to know. So in his wall right in his office, executive office, guess what's the quote on the wall right behind his desk? I deliver. Because I deliver. Massive that says because I. So every day he comes to his office, it says what?

Because I deliver. So if your wife, even if you deliver, she chooses to leave you, whose loss is that? Not yours. Because the market's still going to be good for you, not for her. You're going to find somebody if you deliver. Girls just love a guy that could deliver, right? Of course.

In all aspects of life, by the way. Yes. You got a lot of lost packages, eh? Huh? You got a lot of lost packages? Oh, no, bro. A couple return to senders. I always think of Larry David.

You know Larry David, obviously. Yes. And he had to get, when he got his divorce, he had to give his wife $400 million. Yeah. It's just like, whew. Because not only at that point, do you hate that person, but you have to give him half of what you earned it. I'm just like, that's double whammy. Dude, Bezos gave $30 billion.

Bayeos, too. How much did he give him? 30 billion 30 billion so how do they not get a how does he not get a pre-nub how does he not get a pre-nub well there must have been some no he might not have money when she must have been dirty talking they were together for 25 years so 25 years they were married they got divorced probably three years ago 28 years ago I don't know what his network was 28 years ago 1995 is that what 25 years 28 years what you guys are born 94 93 okay so 95 is what it is so 95 is what it is so 95

what was Jeff Bezos worth in 95? I don't know. I don't think you had that kind of money. It's different. But if you come from like you, you got money, you can't just be like, yeah, babe, no. Yeah, there's zero chance. What does that tell you, though, if a girl says,

hey, I don't feel comfortable doing this? Is that when you say, okay, we're not getting married? Of course. Definitely. You got to go all in at that point. Of course. Zero chance. And they'll fold.

Yeah. And by the way, you know why? let's say you fold she'll know your threat doesn't carry weight for the rest of your marriage she's flipping 7-2 offset after that I said she's flipping 7-2 offset

if you fold on that oh yeah there's a story I saw and I want to ask you about it you said at one point you were like a muscle for a drug dealer is that true so you saw that video it was a short clip

I only told that story one time or some like that yeah yeah it was that's all true It is. Yes, I'll tell you this story. It's a funny story. So I'm crazy story. I'm at Bally's. I'm 20 years old. Bally's in Vegas. No, Bally total fitness in Culver City, not the casino, but the club. And there's this guy working there. Good looking white guy. Tall, 6364. And he's working sales, but he doesn't want to sell anybody. But he drives a Rolls Roy's outside. So I'm like, a very weird. situation here. He would have all these nice cars. But he would never sell. One day he's

come with his BMW. One day he's coming with this car. I'm like, hey, man, how do you make money? If you don't sell any membership, they're paying you minimum wage $7.20. You're only making $1,200 a month. And every time we get a walk-in, you give it to one of us. And a walk-in pays you $60. He says, you think I want to make $60? What the hell am I going to do with $60? I said, why are you working here? So what are you doing this weekend? I said, not. And he said, go party with me. No problem. We go to Third Street Promenon,

and then he takes me to Marina. He takes me to all these places. He introduced me to this Colombian guy. And then he says, this is how I make my money. I said, how's that? And you see a mountain white powder in this corner. And he says, you want to make real money? I'll show you how to make real money.

I said, how's that? we have to go collect money from this one guy you'll get paid $4,000 every week cash I'll give you if you come and do this with me so I'm like oh my god what am I getting myself into so we go into this one Marina del Rey yacht and it's filled with these guys party and all this other stuff and the goal was to get the $100,000 that we needed to get

and anyways 20 minutes later we got the money and we left it was a beautiful situation they're happy they're offering me all this stuff and they said look man if you do this with us every week we'll pay four grand every week cash not W-2-0 and I go home I'm like dude I'm about to make some real money here

but at the same time I'm like I'm about to go to jail if I continue with this guy I thought about it for one week and then I'm like no I'm not doing this this is not going to be the way to go but it was the one week that I spent time with this guy I realized how he was making his money

it's also an interesting story with him Do you know David Giffin? You know, David Giffin, one of the bigger Hollywood. He's like a... I've heard the name for sure. Yeah, so he is like the Weinstein. You know who Weinstein is, right? The guy that got caught.

Okay, so Giffin is one of these billionaires, like three, four billion-a-old guy. Feared in Hollywood. He says, one day I get invited to his house because this guy wanted to be a star, actor, good-looking guy. He said, we go to his house. It's me and my best friend,

and they say, David wants you to come upstairs. He says, we go upstairs to... the room like oh my god we're about to get into a movie david's done all these different people he found he's done this he's done that he says we go upstairs to his room and he says so i'm thinking about putting you guys in this next movie right what do we need to do you need to give him a blow john holy shit and he says i look at my friend well hold on sorry you had to give it or no no no no the guy this guy that was the cocaine guy was the guy that went to david's house being invited yeah Because he wanted to be an actor, like a big-time actor.

So he's telling him, you got to give him head, and I'll put you in a movie. Because he got off of seeing men doing this to each other. And that was a starters. Anyways, his friend looks at him and says, look, bro, I'm willing to do it. If we're going to get into a movie, it's because I'm not doing it, Doc. I'm out of here. So he left. He says, that's when I said, I'm not doing anything with Hollywood.

And he got into cocaine business. And that's how he made his money. Damn. Yeah, that shit's been, that shit goes on, I guess. I've heard stories about that. he can't people have to be way more cautious now i feel like back then you probably could get away with a lot more but now i mean that's fucking crazy i'm sure you're seeing what movie was it hold on big film or it's a good that's a very valid question you're i'd have to see this i'd have to see

the script that leads yeah yeah yeah i mean at least read the script i mean who knows how big it's top gun it's worth it right if it's top gun you're gonna do it hey we gotta figure this out guys i mean it's not like it's going to be public but no i mean listen it's it's a hollywood a lot of weird things would happen i was a manager at valleys in Chatsworth. And Chatsworth at the time, it was 80% of all porn was shot in Chatsworth.

I don't know if you guys knew this or not. Chatport was like the capital of porn. And I would run the only Bally's club with outdoor swimming pool. So these guys would show up and they're like, hey, would you guys stay here afterwards and do stuff? I'm like, look, guys, you got an hour.

And they would do all these crazy things. And I'm like, moving forward, you guys can't do this. This is a little bit too crazy what happened tonight. But you would get offered to be in movies all the time. time. L.A. gym business, if you work in, if anybody's watching this, you worked in any gym business

in L.A. in 80s, 90s, you would say it's absolutely right. All this craziness happens. It's that wild in the gym business. You met everybody. You make the guys that ran the biggest clubs, the biggest promoters, the guys with the best stuff, drugs, the guys that knew the girls, you know, the everybody. It's a, it's a very different. weird place to work in but a lot of fun yeah well what age were you when you got out of there gyms like just the hollywood in general 22 22 23 i went straight to financial services and then it was it was done from there yeah one more thing i want to ask i think did you set the record for like the most expensive house bought in the fort lauderdale area i did what was it 20 point something mill

20.4 million yeah 20.4 million um so that was the most expensive house ever purchase in Fort Lauderdale yeah that's a flex it it is where feet is that 11,000 square feet 800 feet of water frontage a shy of an acre two acre three um in the gated community messy is right next to us he just moved in three months ago kids are doing trick or treating messy's trick or treating with my kids no really that's not the weirdest thing in the word he was dressed as a what do you call jester is that is that is that what it's called jester yeah jester he was dressed as a jester and his family's there chillest guy you'll meet well yeah also your expectations for candy are probably pretty high yeah you got it's like sign balls is what we want

like sign balls i want sign you know gloves we we want some real thing but you guys have to ball out for it's right yeah it's disappointing that that's all you got is that all you got a Kid Cat, no Xbox. But no, but, you know, yeah, so, and here's what's crazy. Two months ago, the record was broken by a house that's only on point three acres. Wall Street Journal just wrote about this. My realtor sold that one on point three acres. How's that possible?

A 10,000 square feet sold for $40 million. How? What do you mean how? 0.3 acres is nothing, though. Of course it's nothing, but you go out. When did you buy that house? Oh, I see. I bought my two and a half years ago.

How many acres do you have? Acre two, acre three. Yeah, the house, the market here is wild. That's crazy. Same realtor that, you know, did our deal calling us and you can get $45.50 all day today. We're moving here December. Really? Miami.

We're leaving. California. You're going to be Miami. Yeah. What part? Miami area. Like Edgewater. The whole crew, everybody?

Yeah. You're going to love it. I'm sure you know this. We're coming over to your house, bro. Come on down, bro. Anytime. Thanksgiving. You're going to love it.

You're going to love it here. I'm sure you already know this, but you're going to love it here. We've been coming to visit here for like two years because we have a lot of Happy Dad relationships here too. So we never had to pull our hair to come here. But now that we're going to be living here, it's just going to be.

But I tell you, that that delayed you guys getting married at least a decade. Because it's going to take you a long time to go through all the girls in Miami. We've already experienced like the crazy Miami life. We've been coming here for what, two years? Stiney lived here for a little bit. Yeah, but you're right. It's just, Miami's just the place for that now.

This is why I live in Fort Lauderdone. I'm trying to stay married. You guys are trying to go to delay getting married. Yes, and you're going to the right place. Yeah. And by the way, it's just going to get, it's just going to get crazier.

Like, I think the momentum is just getting started. Yeah. Of Miami? Oh, yeah. And at least it's going to last a decade. Okay? It's at least going to last a decade. So you're going to have a lot of stories in Miami.

Yeah. If you guys are moved, you said December, you're moving down here. Yeah. December or January. You already got the house and everything figured out. We almost got it. Yeah. We have a few.

Is everybody going to be living together? No, I think we're going to have a few different spots. Just because if we got a big house altogether, the, the market here is crazy one. And then we'd also need full-time security, which is insanely expensive. I got one more thing I want to ask you. It's kind of a random question, but a lot of people obviously ask you for advice. What's like the number one question people ask you? depends who's asking right like you know if somebody is single they're asking me about marriage if

somebody is started a company raising money it's a different question they're asking if there's somebody somebody's selling a company it's a whole different advice when you're selling a company you got to be ready for that one i'm thinking like a kid are there a lot of like mid 20s young 20s that are like i don't know what to do with my life oh brother i would tell him here's here's a number one advice i give to that person join a community join a community that is led by a killer fastest way to accelerate learning. Like, for example, if I wanted to go into Hollywood, first thing I'm doing is, if I was 20 years old

trying to go into Hollywood, I would have gone into a community, meaning Vince Vaughn, John Favaro, keep doing movies together, go into that community. You're going to get a job. Adam Sandler, Schneider, keep doing movies together, get into that community. You know, Jennifer Lawrence, Bradley Cooper are doing, get into that community.

If you want to get into the social media space, get into this community. Find a community or line We'd get into that community You'll learn chaos You'll learn their mistakes You learn what they're doing right You learn

Habits, negotiation Behind closers cameras are off How are they talking? What are they doing? How are they making decisions? How are they closing deals? How are they, you know, their day-to-day stuff?

How serious are they? Do they have a balance of serious And having fun? You know, what is that balance that they're having? How do they call each other out? Where's the level of accountability? How do you have direct conversations, how to bring people together?

These are, how many books do you need to read to get that? You can't. But if you get into the right community that is like this, and so much is happening, it accelerates the learning process by tenfold. So to me, forget about what industry getting get involved in. Forget about what company getting involved in. Which killer are you going to go help? Which leader are you going to go support?

and go pick up that guy's habits what he's doing you'll have an edge amazing nice i think this this has been i've had a great time i've had a blast with you guys love your work you fired me up oh man have i fired you up to get married or that's going to delay oh not yet not yet like you said good take your time another few years good unless you get bit by the love bug and then you just had no choice where did you meet your your wife so we met first june of o two um i was uh in ncino north casino, California. I'm in the bathroom washing my hands. A guy Fernando Lassa comes in saying is Pocahontas just walked in because my wife had hair all the way down to her lower back. I'm like, really? I'm with a girl I'm about to get married to. And I walk into the room. Yeah, I walk into

the room and guess who's talking to Pocahontas? My girlfriend. So my girlfriend introduced me to my wife at the time. She's with a guy of eight years. My girl and I are together for three years. And she said, hey, here's Jennifer. I'm like, oh, hey, what's up? Good to meet you. So tell me your background. Da-da-da-da. Great. Five years later, is the first, five and a half years later, December 15th, is the first time ever, or both her and I are single. And we're at J.W. Marriott Palm Springs. And we're having dinner.

And we start talking. I said, are you single? She says, I am. I had just broken up with another girl of two weeks. I said, what are you looking for in a man? She pretty much hit all the markers. either she's that's your slide in line what are you looking for a man just straight what are you looking for a man just straight up my when you're looking for a girl you want to hook up with

the line is not going to be what are you looking for a man if you're trying to hook up with if you're trying to get married yeah i'm going straight up saying it's a power move yeah i'm like what are you looking for in a man because let's find out let's go through the filter because we should try that you should try that well i'm not looking to get married no i know i think it's still a power move i would love the lookup line's a little different Is it effective? It's effective. Let's try that mic up and see what happens.

Let's try it on like... That's funny, bro. Let's try it on like 20 chicks. But you have to be like he could keep a serious straight face with that. No, he can. He's talented. He can do that. He's part of that community that can keep a straight face.

But yeah, so I asked her anyways, you know, she, so I'm single and then we drove home, dropped her off. A couple days later, we met our Jerry's deli. I said, look, I think you like me. I like you. I think we should go out. She says, there's no way that's going to happen. I see you as a friend. She got up and walked out. She got nervous. And she went to Houston. I told my dad, said, I'm going to go to Houston and surprise her and have lunch with her and come back. It's Christmas time. She says, you're going to freak her out if you do that. Anyways, middle of the night, I get a message from her on MySpace.

Look, I respect you. I really enjoy our relationship, but I'm afraid. I just got out of a long-term relationship. What if it doesn't work out? I don't want to compromise our friendship. And I respond back on MySpace. Aside from risk, losing our friendship, do you have any other concerns. And she has this poster. She has it on the, printed out. And she responds back six hours later. No. I said, great. That's the night we talk for five and a half hours later, five and a half hours. She comes back December 29th. Our first date, we go to P.F. Chang's. Then our second date, we go to the stairs. We go to church. We go to Santa Monica. We go to Earth Cafe. And then we go to borders. And I bought her a book on our second day called 101 questions to ask before we get engaged on our second date.

Wow. I says, I'm not looking for a girlfriend. I'm looking for a wife. If this scares you, totally understand, but I've done the exercise with three other girls. I know exactly what I want. Take a week. Take as long as you want to answer the questions.

If you want to get back together, let's go through them. Week later, she answered all of them. We had a six-hour meeting. One by one by one, we went through the questions. Year and a half later, we got married. We got four kids now.

In what? So 14 years of marriage? Over 14 years of marriage, yeah. By the way, highly, highly, highly recommend you go through that book for your own self. What's it called? 101 questions to ask before you get in your marriage.

And you wrote it? No, it's a guy named Norman Wright. And by the by that on Amazon, Gabe. Yeah, and you know what the book is? It's just 101 questions. There's nothing in the book. So how many pages is it like? It's 1001 pages.

Oh, and it's one question a page? It's just a question. I know you answer. There is no like 17 steps to whatever. Here's 101 questions you should think about before you get married. That's what that was about. So that's the format where, you know, I bought a thousand copies of that book and I started giving it to all my sales guys, all the single guys. So any one of my guys that got married, they all got married after reading that book

with their girls, all of them. But you, the thing is, is when you give her that book, you got to be sure, right? Yeah, yeah. You can't give that to anybody. But the thing is, if you read it now for yourself, you're going to say, dude, I'm not ready. Yeah. That's why it's a good exercise to do whether you want to get it. get married or not, because you're at least starting to think about, these are actually good

questions. Yeah. You know, because if the love bug all of a sudden happens, you're like, dude, hang on a second, that question number 38 really got me thinking. What do you think about, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, so too many times we just get married because sex is good because she's hiding. Like, oh, my God, we're having so much. She's so much fun.

I just love seeing her. Yeah, but it takes more than that to marriage is. Do you remember some of the questions? What baggage do you bring to the table? Who's going to manage the finances? How long can you handle with me being away? how many days, if I'm doing work, how many kids do we want to have?

You know, how do you manage a relationship with in-laws? What are you going to do if I'm going to have health issues and I can't have sex for six months? It's very, very much of real, real, real questions you'll go through. Yeah. So you're avoiding the problems before you get married kind of. It's the best way to do it. Even when you become a business partner,

it's the best way to do. How many people start podcasts together? Two years later, it doesn't work out. We're not doing your thing and you didn't care you. It was not fair. I did it. It's you. Then you do it the same.

second time we're on hey let's get terms let's put everything on this here's how this works good let's roll great so you're avoiding future arguments yeah that's what it does yeah and i'm all about avoiding future arguments of course yeah all right i love it well this is amazing we appreciate you having this was fantastic really enjoyed it thanks guys let's uh let's hang out again too uh if we move to i look forward to it i look forward to it 100% you want to plug anything in a man thank you we'll put all patrick's links in the description make sure you subscribe to his podcast too you're obviously your pod is just absolutely crushing especially the clips too i see them all over you i always watch them so thank you you're an amazing guy amazing speaker appreciate you thank you thank you

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