Games with Names - “2002 Western Conference Finals: Game 5” with Hasan Minhaj and Mike Bibby | Lakers vs. Kings

Episode Date: January 17, 2023

On today’s episode, we have comedian and Sacramento’s native son, Hasan Minhaj in studio! Together, we go deep on Game 5 of the infamous 2002 Western Conference finals. We break down the Lakers and Kings in this era and dive into Hasan’s Kings fandom (3:05). We go back to the world of pop culture in May of 2002 (25:03). Mike Bibby joins the show to talk about his iconic Game 5 buzzer beater and the controversial series (30:31). Hasan and the guys react to the Bibby interview (1:06:18). We wrap it up and score the game (1:11:53).Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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11.4 seconds remain on the clock. The Sacramento Kings trail the Los Angeles Lakers by one. Mike Bibby inbounds from the baseline. Chris Weber catches the inbounds pass, hands it back to a curling Bibby. Bibby elevates. This is game five of the 2002 Western Conference Finals.

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We got Hasan Minhaj here, a good friend of mine. Got his new Netflix special, The King's Jester. Watch that right now. Watch his other special, Homecoming King. We're talking Game 5, Western Conference Finals, 2002 Lakers, Kings. Rigged. That's what I'm talking

about. Game 5 was good. Game 6, which we'll get into, fucking rigged. Rigged. No argument from me. I heard the whole podcast, the one that Imperioli narrated. Yes. yes it's it's gonna be i can't wait to get mike bibby on this bad boy and ask him to think he thinks it's rigged yo the depths the depths of how depraved these people were it go it goes deep bro it goes deep

well it goes it goes like it's crazy it's the fbi the mob like the whole thing well because wild and the league because and the league silver right it was silver this is stern yeah stern i mean stern i guess the ratings dipped 23 percent from 98 till this point because they had a huge new negotiation going for tv contracts the lakers were sexy no one wanted to see the like what was the nets yeah versus non-major market teams non-major market teams that's a is that an acronym acronym no it was just i mean i would read someone major market yeah no and sacramento is a non-major market a non-major market i know it's it's sad but that's your only team that's our only team and we almost lost them

so they were close they were new too they were new like vegas yeah well they were gonna be they were gonna be sold potentially and they were gonna go to seattle that was one of the places or vegas um bomber lost the bid steve bomber you know the crazy that guy that bomber ends up getting the clippers that bid doesn't work out and and uh mayor kevin johnson who got into some other shit but he did save punches dude yeah yeah he did save the team. Punches, dude. Yeah, yeah. He did save the team. So look, I got to give a little background why the Kings mean a lot to me. You know this.

Tell what we became friends with. Yeah, yeah. So he could see, you know, comics, there's always a source of pain to like get in basements and tell jokes.

Yeah. And so we have an affinity with one another and it's always, you got to figure out what's your source of pain. And we started talking basketball because he had a Knicks shirt on. And I go, oh, I know your pain.

And he goes, oh, really? You a Laker fan? You like a Warriors fan? I go, nah, Kings. And he goes, oh, respect. Kings might be the only team who have it worse. And like, I feel like the Gimp in Pulp Fiction had a better life than the Sacramento Kings. Yeah.

That's a tough existence. It's a rough, rough existence. And what's crazy is, is we're the team that never could. Because when I do say the Kings, people were like, oh yeah, you had that one run. We were like that dude that peaked in high school.

We're like the, oh, I remember summer 98. And you only kind of peaked. Yeah. Five foot seven, like 12, maybe had a mustache. Yeah. But this team was finesse this team was as a i was rooting for the kings i mean i thought they were like a cool team weber was smooth bibby like is almost like mid-range with a three but like it's similar to dame that smooth little j yeah so they're so lot. Stojakovic. Christy would come out there.

I mean, let me give my background. Yeah. I was a Warriors fan, but this was when the Warriors were kind of dog shit. Actually, very big dog shit. Yeah. And then the sexy team comes into Sacramento. It was an expansion team. Yeah.

Like around like 90. What was it? It came in 85. It came in 85. But then they got like hot. Yeah. And then 98 to to 02 we were hot hot so it starts with white chocolate white chocolate white chocolate you know Weber comes

from the Bullets at the time the Washington Bullets which became the Wizards so people don't know this C Webb there was kind of this like reputation about him around the league he's a he's a knucklehead problem yeah he's a problem remember and you and you know this being a Warriors fan he was drafted by that 93 like that squad yeah right so he comes in the penny the penny draft they swap they get Weber and famously anyone who knows that famous Weber era he's the one who went around the back and then just yacked it on Barkley and during the fast break goes to the Bullets they had a nice little squad with Juwan Howard. Remember they go far against the Bulls in the 98 series. He then gets traded to us. And he famously goes,

man, when I find out I was going to the Kings, I started crying. I go, this team plays in a barn. Literally. Which was Arco Arena. Yeah. They play in a fucking barn. And by the way,

that barn has an In-N-Out burger down the street. So how dare you disrespect that barn? But C-Web comes over and something people don't know about Kings fans, we are loyal. That barn has an In-N-Out burger down the street, so how dare you disrespect that barn? But C-Web comes over, and something people don't know about Kings fans, we are loyal. So if you come, you're one of our own. Like, it's a family situation.

So he comes, we start getting hot, and we got the J-Will, and this is before Steph starts jacking from four feet beyond the line. Yeah, J-Will was the guy, white chocolate, the famous behind the back elbow. He was box off. My dad used to read books about him and make me dribble down the street with my left hand tied to my right hand tied back because that's what J Will's dad used to do and shit like that. Like,

did you hoop? I mean, I tried to hoop. I played like AAU and stuff, but I wasn't a hooper. I was a football player trying to play hoop. Got it. I remember when football players would play basketball.

Y'all fucked us up. Because football season was before basketball season. And they'd just be like, all right, loose ball drill. They roll the ball out. I'm like, I'm not even going to try. Loose ball drill. These football players are going to fuck me up. I'm 150 pounds wet still.

Like, I'm not. This dude's going to get it. But yeah, man, that little era. And then I remember, and I got to tell Bibby this when he comes on. I got to tell Mike this. When White Chocolate got traded and we got Bibby. I was a little sad. Yeah, man.

We were all sad. Real talk, I got to own this. We were upset. We were like, why are you trading away? He was a fan favorite. Yeah, why are you trading him away? Rightfully so, we needed control. We needed someone to control the offense,

and we did need real... And a guy with a jump shot. Yeah. Once you saw Bibi play, we were like, all right, that's why they did it. Jason Williams got a jump shot later in his career. With the heat, he could kind of hit that three, but at this point, he had no jumper.

Yeah, and it was kind of like... You know what it was was and by the way i love jason and i met jason so we and we and we met at the um all-star game so shout out to jay will but it was one of those things where we needed to hit big shots down the stretch and funny enough the person we have coming on the pod holy shit did that dude hit us some big shots. Multiple. Yeah, multiple. He was better in the playoffs than the regular season. Totally. He was one of those dudes. Totally. Totally.

That mid-range jumper he had off screens or when you just pull up. Yeah. Was so sexy. And he was just a control. He could control the court. What bugs me too, let me just say this. I'm going to vent a little bit. What bothers me, Jules, is the Bay Area, y'all shit on Zach.

So for a lot of people, California stops at the Bay. Anything north of the five, Sacramento. Anyone that says they're from the Bay that's from SAC, we're like, nah, you're from SAC. Yeah, you're from SAC, bro. They're like the Staten Island of California. Yeah, it doesn't even matter. Yeah, if there was a civil war, they'd be like, y'all are the north. It's like us, all the meth cities.

So like Stockton, Lodi, Modesto, Redding, Sacramento, like rise up. It's us. Right. And then it's like the Bay with all the tech money and then, and then LA and then San Diego is just kind of forgotten. But San Diego is cool though. Great. Anyways. Yeah. The Bay up would always kind of shit on us, but I gotta, I gotta say this right now. The Kings were actually the first warriors. We actually were the Warriors 1.0. We had a, we had a A squad and a B squad. We could shoot. We had a fast paced,

fast tempo offense. Remember this is kind of during that Spurs, Detroit Pistons era. Everybody's slowing the ball down, banging down low. We were running gun. Running gun was C Webb. Yeah.

And D-Vox, the fact that he could shoot the ball and pass. And pass. Unreal. Same with Weber. Both your bigs could shoot and pass. So that started being popular like 10 years later, 15 years later. But I feel like we were one of the first squads to kind of do that.

Like Jokic owes a little to C-Web. A little bit. A little bit. For sure. Yeah. And can't lie, as a Bay person, like a lot of Bay people jumped on the sack. Hard. We all, a lot of us.

Thank you. Yeah, dude. Thank you for saying this, Hard. We all, a lot of us. Thank you. Yeah, dude. Thank you for saying this, bro. Warriors are kind of shitty, dude. Thank you. Oh, the sexy team right now. They're kind of flashy, fun. They're fast.

They're winning games. Fuck the Lakers. Because we all hate the Lakers. I roast. You know, we all hate the Lakers. I know. That's unanimous. That's what unites both of us.

That's what, that's the uniter. Pay respect. Because the Lakers are important to your fans. Yeah, you love the Lakers. Well, you love the, like, the history and everything. But like,akers are important yeah you love the Lakers but you love the like the history and everything but like no this was a hateable Laker team

NorCal SoCal thing is like real bro it's like it's a real thing yeah when it comes to like the war we welcome in all like

the meth cities like yo you guys are kinda with us you know what I mean yeah you guys roll with us and the sad part is here's how I know LA kinda won

it's not two-sided. No. Like, they're not even thinking about us. No, they're like, fuck these guys. Oh, yeah. Yeah. They've won too much. This was a tough,

it's tougher for Ness teams to win in the playoffs. The Lakers, they would bruise you because they had Shaq. Shaq. And Rick Fox and all these guys played such fierce defense. And then you had Peja, who was, I guess, hurt,

but man, Fox did a good job at him in this series. And he had Doug Christie, who was, he was a great two-way player. Great defender. You need a stopper, kind of. So he was just a great... And then, again, we had depth. We had Bobby Jackson. We had Pollard coming off the bench. Lawrence Funderbur. We had all these

guys coming off the bench. No, it was Kenny the Jet. No, it wasn't... Jason Terry. Jason Terry was the Jet. They kind of played similarly a little bit. Yeah. And again, and so if anyone, do you ever get a chance to go to one of those games? I never got to go.

Dude, it was rowdy. Yeah, that was the thing. Everyone had the cowbells. It was so loud. It was like you had real home field or your real home court advantage there. It was loud as fuck. So if you remember watching those games, especially those Lakers-Kings playoff series,

you'd see Phil Jackson on the sidelines doing this. Yeah. Because he literally could not. I mean, the cowbells were so loud. And it's a, bro, it's a bad arena. Arco Arena is kind of a shitty arena. Yeah, but it's, it was shaking. It was crazy.

That was Sacramento's, like, team. Yeah, it was a call to the cowbell. Yeah. And it was such opposite teams. Like, you have Doug Christie who you're like, this dude is the only dude in the NBA

who doesn't cheat on his wife. And then you've got Rick Fox guarding on the other end. You're like, this dude's definitely going to sleep with your wife. Yeah.

Yeah. Rick Fox has an energy, bro. He is a, he is I will fuck energy at all times. He's good looking. He's a dude and he got game where he's like,

I'm the guy who fucks. Yeah. Yeah. I'll show you the assistant coaches. I remember that scene. Yeah. Yeah. He's in Hallmark movies right now. Just straight up. He's the guy who fucks. Yeah. Yeah. I'll show you the assistant coaches. I remember that scene. Yeah. Yeah. He's in Hallmark movies right now.

Just straight up. He's the romantic lead in Hallmark movies. Yeah, bro. He's a good actor. He's pretty good. Yeah. I can't agree with that,

but, but I mean, I, I like this team. what was your perception? And so you're in New York, right? We're the same age and you're watching us.

And we're finally like, we're on NBC. Like they're giving us national coverage. What do you, you're probably a sophomore, junior in high school. Like what do you, are you like, yo, this, this seems kind of cool. Yeah. I mean, I was in nineties Knicks fan and that's a team who like had all the pieces, but couldn't get over the hump. And I looked at this team, the Knicks were more of a physical team. This is a finesse team. You want to see the finesse teams when you want to see the finesse teams win. You want to see the seven seconds or less suns win. You want to see Dallas win.

You want to see a team with shooting win. And it really wasn't until the Warriors till we really saw that. So I was totally, all kids want to see shooters win. And the Lakers were the favorites. You're rooting for the underdog. And Shaq, I love him, but I couldn't root for them to win. Was this, this was the third straight, right? Going three straight. This was the third. Yeah. I couldn't root for them to win. Was this, this was their third straight, right? Going three straight.

This was the third, yeah. I couldn't root for a team to three-peat. You root against greatness when you want the underdog. Also, I'm just going to, you know, be real here. 2002 Shaq, that 2000 to 2002 Shaq, he was like a monster in Space Jam. 100%. You know what I mean? He was unstoppable.

Yeah, everybody was kind of like all right we get it bro you're just like this huge fucking unstoppable because he gained a little little extra weight but he could still move the way yeah and especially that year they got all there was like takes that he was out of shape that's when the kobe beef started yeah this period i think sheer domination. I think he's the most dominant player in our lifetime. For sure. In these three years.

For sure. I don't think, I don't think LeBron or Kobe or anyone else reached those. It looked like a high school kid playing against third graders. Like literally like just three dudes on them and he's tagging them, hanging off of them. Those guys had longevity over them. You know,

did you ever play football? Who's the football equivalent of Shaq? Where you're like, just wrong. Gronk. Gron Gronk wow like Gronk like when you would run by Gronk it sounds like a fucking Clydesdale you'd hear like fuck man and like he'd be giggling laughing guys would be bouncing off him who on defense ray lewis ray but shat ray ray yeah ray knocked me out a few times he like he was he was pretty insane on defense but he was a it's different player you know because shack was more dude there's just bodies yeah there's so many photos between that era the first three championships it's him in the lane dunking and then there's four bodies around the classic one in the

nest where you got like four dudes yeah dudes are hanging off of him and poor lottie yeah i love lottie they would they tried to they tried to help him and stuff but there was like times where like he he would get dunked on and it was just like all right he gave up a lot like once he had it they're like just fucking yeah it's not worth breaking your hand trying to block that. Well, the problem is also you needed two centers to guard him because you're going to take the full six for your main guy and you need a backup center to take another six. That was the Hackashack thing.

That's why he was so dominant. He did. But he shot like 72% in this game too. It's crazy. Or this. The game six. Yeah, the game six he shoots crazy from the line. It's nuts.

I make him when it counts. That's what he says, right? Yeah. Which I don't know if it's actually true. But it sounds good. Now, my theory is, Laker fans, go back and watch the tape. The reason why he hit it from a high percentage was he crosses the fucking line every time he shoots the free throw. It's a lane violation.

Wow. Every time. Right foot in. This is riddled with conspiracy theories. Right foot in yeah and then who's reffing don oh it's our boy donaghy you know the dude mouth kissing barkley hugging reggie miller oh you think it's just a coincidence wow okay how many wait how this is like if q9 was right that's what this is. It goes that deep.

It goes that deep. This is basketball pizza game. The free throw like stat was insane too. I think it was like 27. I think it was 27 to nine or something like that. In the fourth, 27 free throws in the fourth quarter. To the nine all game. What do you say to then the Laker fans in this game,

Bibby hits the game winner. What do you say to these fans where, who say that it was clearly a moving screen on weber who knocks derrick fisher a great defender on his ass for bibby to hit that shot you can we can watch at three different angles we can queue it up we got a macbook right here we can queue it up let's do this like the jfk tape we can do which angle do you want it from he plants i mean bibby was i mean c webb was fucking jacked then. This is peak C-Web. This is when he's dating Tyra Banks.

Fucking Tyra Banks. I forgot about that. It is, remember the Dada commercials? I mean, this is peak C-Web. C-Web was like. He's a handsome guy. Handsome dude. He still looks great, by the way.

Shout out to C-Web. He does. Aging like fine wine. Like fine wine. Black don't crack, baby. Yeah, man. He looks fantastic. And yeah, it's a clean screen.

And then Bibi does what he does he hits that amazing what is it probably 17 to 19 footer splash splash he was how you know it's not luck yeah he did it a few times in that game totally i mean totally did you hate this lakers team with a passion with a passion and by the way people don't know this it's it's gonna sound um blasphemous that i'm saying this now kobe wasn't even at his peak superpowers at this no yeah i don't think that's controversial i mean he was clearly the second guy yeah he was very good but he wasn't the guy that like honestly as a kid when i was watching i wasn't like he's gonna be the nail in the coffin we all knew shack was gonna get your best players

in foul trouble and then you'd be rendered optionless. Foul trouble. And then yeah, he would just kick. Yeah. I know. Foul trouble. Foul trouble. Yeah. Refs. Who was the ref? Yeah. I think it's Donaghy. Oh, I never heard of that guy. Yeah. Who are the other guys in the NBA at this time that you were like, I got to watch? Because you, I know you're- Wait, wait. Sorry, sorry. It wasn't Donaghy and all of them. No. It was who Donaghy testified about, and it was Bovetta.

Yeah. He was the mouth kiss on Barkley, I believe. Yeah, Bovetta was the mouth kiss on Barkley. I want to just make it clear. I knew Jack was saving that for later. Thank you. Yeah, Dick Bovetta. Bob Delaney was also particularly awful in this one.

Yeah. Sorry about that. Thanks, Jack. Correction. Thank you for the fat check. Who are your other guys in the league at this time? Because this is 2002. I believe.

Wait, I want to see what this list is. Of the ref? He's pulled out a list. Oh, yeah. Yeah, let's see what we have here. I got some lists. What did he write? What's written down there?

So 2002, I didn't know this. Now I just remember this. The Kings are the best record in the West. Wow. So we actually weren't the, we were the team. No, they didn't know this. Now I just remember this. The Kings are the best record in the West. Wow. So we actually weren't the, we, we were the team. No,

they had the one seed they lost at home. Yeah. Game seven. Yeah. All right. Baby, it's the game five winner at Arco game six. The Kings are up three,

two in the fourth quarter. The Lakers take 27 free throws. I mean, this is so awful. If I, if you can go picture and picture on this, pull up the Scott Pollard pinky foul on Shaq. Shaq's going for a sky hook.

Pollard, literally his pinky hit his fucking palm. And I think Vladi hit it first. I think it was almost tipped, wasn't it? It's crazy. And they call the foul. So both Pollard and Vladi foul out of that game and they got to go to Lawrence Funderburk. Damn.

And they still somehow stay in the game. It's a true fucking miracle. Funderburk. Damn. And they still somehow stay in the game. It's a true fucking miracle. Funderburk is definitely the name as your third string center, though. I mean, yeah, it sounds... Even you're like fucking Funderburk. You're just annoyed. Yeah, and at that point, you're just like,

good job, Lawrence. You're doing your best. I'm going to ask Mike about... Bless his heart. I'm going to ask Mike about this when Mike gets on. There's this very famous inbound where Mike is checking Kobe. I'm going to ask Mike about this. When Mike gets on, there's this very famous inbound where, where Mike is checking Kobe.

Kobe does the jab and goes around and then does the elbow. Elbows him in the head. To Bibby's head. In front of the ref looking. In front of the ref. I remember that. And they call the foul on Bibby. Yeah.

So for me, that was the point. I wasn't even, I, I could kind of believe the foul trouble even though it was all bullshit it was that moment where i was like oh okay because every angle was like oh he he hit him sports media world oh they bashed it yeah yeah so so simmons when he was writing for yes man at the time yeah yes everybody was like this will bond this was yeah this is one of the

worst officiated games in the history of sport they were saying not even just basketball they were saying history of sport yeah and if you're a fan of sports you understand how much needs to align to even get to this place perfectly

like the luck because you have the talent but you need luck too there's teams like the Houston Rockets with Shaq I mean with Yao and T-Mac yeah

the stars never aligned for them they had the talent yeah Battier, Alston that was a good team totally but they didn't it didn't work out this team it worked out for them they They had the talent. Yeah. Battier, Alston. That was a good team. Totola.

Totola. But they didn't, it didn't work out. This team, it worked out for them. They're the one seed. They're there. This is a loaded West. The Spurs had MVP Duncan this year, who the fucking Lakers, I believe. Yeah. So you get, yeah.

And if you get in this and they're taking the Lakers. Yeah. And if you take the Lakers, you get to the Nets. That's a ring. So the reason why I'm harping on 2002. That was, that was the championship. Yeah. It's basically whoever's So the reason why I'm harping on 2002 is I go That was the championship. Yeah. It's basically

whoever's in the West versus nobody. No disrespect to the Nets but I mean They didn't have the fire they were they had an incredible Jason Kidd

a beast in Kmart Sacramento would have been a better matchup for them though. Yeah. Yeah. It's Shaq. They would have gotten swept

but I bet it would have been a five game series six tops because Shaq legitimately had like an eight man squad. Yeah. So yeah, it hurts. I think of the Knicks in 93, 94.

That was my intro to basketball disappointment, but we didn't lose because of the refs. We lost because John Starks, my favorite player shot two for 18. Riley, that was his guy. He goes, I'm sticking with the guy who brought us here. Wouldn't take him. He related a lot to Starks.

Starks kind of shot us out of the game. Starks also missed. He got blocked by Olajuwon in game six. Yep. From three. I mean, so we lost. We got outplayed. Olajuwon was phenomenal.

The Rockets were a great team. You're a pro, man. So we're fans, right? Yeah. To what extent do refs play a role in momentum in the fourth quarter? Olajuwon was phenomenal. The Rockets were a great team. You're a pro, man. So we're fans, right? Yeah. To what extent do refs play a role in momentum in the fourth quarter? It's huge, right? It is very big. I've seen Super Bowls go the other way because of shit like that.

Well, you know, the pass interference kind of penalties where you can get 65, 70 yards on a fucking one penalty. A lot of the times, I mean that that's a momentum killer and a momentum gainer for the other team but in football it's different because there's like multiple situations the game really never comes down to just one one play really it doesn't and that i don't know if that's because that's how i've been trained by bill belichick. Like, look, we didn't lose it on this one. We fucking couldn't do good on third down. We hear that shit.

Yeah. So that adds up. I mean, those kill momentum, I would say. Not necessarily outcomes of games. Okay. Because the momentum can get flipped any second. Yeah. I just feel like for me watching it the way different in basketball

though i'm not a basketball guy i'm not i'm not not a pro guy in basketball it's completely different that's a that's like a wave because they're moving the whole time playoffs and basketball that's wave i mean because fouls are just kind of not called the same way in the playoffs just like for this yeah usually basketball in the playoffs the the expression is let him play yeah so there was some you know there were even the the feeling that we had was when they started to call even offensive fouls so there's another play in game six where where weber's doing that thing where he just always squares up like remember he'd like bring the ball low like this yeah and then you do this and he puts it on the on he puts it on the ground for one and then pulls up for a jumper

robert already flops. Full flop. Just full flop. Full Oscar performance. Left elbow. And they call an offensive foul. So stuff like that, they don't call that in the NBA playoffs in the third and fourth quarter. It's just kind of the egregious ticky-tack. Like Jordan. Yeah. And I'm not putting them in the same category

as far as who gets the call and doesn't, but this is the playoff. You gotta let the boys play. So if anybody wants to get into it and it's like what are they talking about there's a netflix documentary series where um donaghy's in it and he basically talks about during that era in the nba there were certain teams and there were certain refs that were company men and they wanted certain players and certain teams to do well yeah i heard i believe it was like team five team six thing that yeah I watched that doc. Yeah. And there's a podcast called whistleblower. That's the same stuff. A lot of guys are like, yeah, we got Don. It's a momentum thing. So anyways, what,

what, what they could do is they could throttle the game. Meaning what, one of the things Don talks about in the doc is like, he's like, Hey, listen, I can, I can call Iverson for, for carrying three or four possessions in a row i can take him out of the game so what you can do is you can create a six to ten point differential if you're a competitive team that's everything you need so for the kings you call a couple of offensive fouls on weber you put him in foul trouble you put him in that four or five foul range you you get vladi out of the game you have scott pollard on shack so you can throttle the game in such a way that those points that we would have had between the two of them now we're down 10 now we're down 14 so the fact that we even though

it was cooked we still got that far that's the part where i'm like beyond livid it's brutal i mean because look we know how rare this is. And Zach has been, you played it, you played on a winning team. So you don't know how rare it is to like, to have your moment. It's,

which is like, it's such a small moment. The Knicks had this as a fan. Yeah. I mean, the Knicks are, I think right now we're in a better place than the Kings. The Kings.

I don't love. No, there's no, they just paid Fox so much money. Small town team or what is it called? Small Market. Small Market Money Market Team. I mean, it's different.

That's what they live and breathe over there. It's almost like a college environment. Yeah. Let's go back to May 28th, 2002, number one movie, Star Wars, to Attack of the Clones. I love that one. I thought the first three,

those three episodes were actually pretty good, even though the CGI sucked. Okay. I love that one. I thought the first three, those three episodes were actually pretty good, even though the CGI sucked. Okay. And all that stuff, but I loved them. This was improved just because Jar Jar Binks was gone. I don't know if they focus tested that shit, and they were like, this dude fucking sucks. That was like when you're around a dude who can't stop making jokes.

People were mad about the first one, right? Because the little kid who was... It sucked. Yeah, okay, Anakin. This one was all right. Yeah yeah okay Anakin this one was alright yeah okay and then number one song

was Foolish by Ashanti we've covered Foolish before this was number one for a while this is a great song it is a great song Ashanti's great but it's the Biggie remix

that's why we were all like oh this is great absolutely around this time The Wire premieres on HBO we've already hit all these

because we've been in 2002 already. Oh, wow. Have we? Yeah. Britney Spears and Justin break up. Or what a game. What?

What a? Yeah, what game do we do? Because I felt like we've hit all these. Have we? Yeah, we did Kenny and Martin. Kenny and Martin. That's right. No, you guys interviewed Kenny and Martin?

Yeah. We had Kenny and Martin. Love that. Yeah, he was cool. He hid in the vape pen during the interview. OG. Full OG. Kenny was 09. I'm tripping. Sorry. Who was 02? We had Kenny Martin. Love that. Yeah, he was cool. He hid in the vape pen during the interview. OG. Full OG. Kenyon was 09.

I'm tripping, sorry. Who was 02? We had an 02. We did a Nuggets game with Kenyon. Oh, that's great. I just wanted an excuse to talk about that Nuggets. And that was a Nuggets win on the Lakers also with a series. That's crazy.

But I just love that Chauncey-Ella team. We've done three games. Winners against the Lakers. Four. That's amazing. You've got to tip your hat. Yeah, man. They're the the upper echelon and it's just an excuse to talk Kobe and we love talking Kobe on here uh yeah we talked about this but Duncan was the MVP of the league the Spurs were I think this was like a transitional period though they didn't have what we knew to be the great Tony Parker yet he

was a young guy they had young Ginobili, I believe. But this was in between their reign. Leading scorer, Iverson. Bro, I love, this was peak Iverson. Peak. Everyone had the shoes. I love Iverson.

Yeah, man. I had the questions and then I had the second one. The questions and then the answers. Those were great, bro. And they were always affordable. Yeah. They were always like

$40 less than a Jordan. Yeah, yeah. You still wanted Jays, but Iverson, that was like peak, peak Allen Iverson era. He made Reebok cool. He did.

He did. And the commercials were great. The ones with him and Jadakiss were amazing. This is, oh yeah, by the way, this is when Jordan came back to play for the Wizards. That's wild. That was weird. Old Jordan. Yeah.

Nobody talks about this though. The two seasons where he was like, I'll get us back to the playoffs and he never could do it. I know. They weren't, they just weren't a good team either. Yeah. And also he was still MJ, but. Why don't they ever talk about the, in the legacy conversation, they always do it. I know. They just weren't a good team either. And also he was still MJ. Why don't they ever talk about

in the legacy conversation it always stops at 98? Because that's what we want it to stop. The way we want the Sopranos to stop at the show and not the many saints

of Newark. We keep it where we want it. No, but MJ was... Because that's the perfect ending. That's his 14 years. Those seasons with the Bulls is basically the first 7 seasons

of Game of Thrones we don't got to talk about the last season it really is it's just like perfect wow he was he went out on top and then he came back and it was cool to see him there

it was fun having that last all star game he still watched everyone still watched on top and then he came back and it was cool to see him there. I mean, it was fun having that last all-star game. Yeah. You know, but. He still watched. Yeah. Everyone still watched. It was like our kid.

That was like our guy. For sure. Loved him. He just looked ugly. He was a little heavier. Yeah. Didn't jump as much. Oh,

the Grizzlies moved from Vancouver to Memphis. That's crazy. And you're rocking. And by the way, do they have bears in Memphis? Do they have Grizzlies? Did you have this for real? Like just in the closet?

Yeah, dude. I'm a baby fan. That's amazing, man. All right. And by the way, do they have bears in Memphis? Do they have grizzlies? Did you have this for real, like just in the closet? Yeah, I did. I'm a baby fan. That's amazing, man. All right. The colors are great. No, it's pretty solid. I think of big country Reeves when I see that. I know, yeah.

I think of Sharif Abdul-Rahim. Yeah, they were great. They whiffed on some high picks. Yeah, the jerseys were great though. Oh, yeah. The jerseys and the logo for these expansion teams during that era were fucking awesome. Oh, the Raptors are great. Yeah, the Raptors jerseys are great.

Like, they're awesome. Remember they played at the Pyramid? Yeah. The Pyramid. Oh, by the way, you guys probably didn't talk about this. I don't know if you loaded this up in the Google Doc that they're reading off of. But this is peak Vince Carter. I don't know what you're talking about.

We're doing all this from memory. Oh, on top of our dome, dude. I'm not even isolating you guys. I'm talking to them. But you should have put in right here. This is peak Vince Carter era. All right. Now the gaming corner presented by Winbet.

Prop bet. I think it's got to be about how yoked he got. Because he's huge now. He's huge. He's Yokey McDokey out here. My man's a bodybuilder, bro. It's bodybuilding.com backslash Mike Bibby, bro. This dude is jacked. I have BBAA, whatever. I mean, this dude is crazy.

I wonder, I'm going to ask him. I wonder if he could shoot still. I mean, cause it's hard to shoot when you're, when you're yoked, but what's Tell me about it, dude. That's my problem. I know. Jules, how much creatine is this dude taking? I remember creatine was the one that was the one in high school. Jules, you know better than is this dude taking? I remember creatine was the one. That was the one in high school. Jules, you know better than me, though. I'm just a smedium.

Creatine keeps the water in the muscles, bro. All right. Keeps water in the muscles. We sound so lame talking about being yoked. It's so corny. With our physique. We look like we're like Wes Anderson marionettes. And we're like, I think you guys look good.

Nah, we're two Pinocchios over here talking muscles what's the over under going to be? how many do you think we can get? 4 or 5 4 and a half we're going to take a quick break before we get to Bibby and we'll see you then

how you doing man? good to speak to you too this is my boy Sam hey how are you, Mike? Son. What's up, Hassan? I'm the one that grew up in Sac. So I got to give you your flowers, bro.

Thank you for giving us our dignity and pride. And thank you for putting the Knicks jersey on your wall. That makes me happy as hell, by the way. I have them all. I actually have all the ones I play with. Wow. He's got Atlanta. He's got everybody. He's got everybody.

He's got everybody up there. Those greasy colors are hot, though. Yeah. The funny thing is those are the ugliest colors when we were playing. We hated those uniforms. But now it's cool. I know. Everybody loves them now.

I guess that's good. You see a lot of people wearing my stuff, so I see Jules got them on, too, so that's good. Heck, yeah. We got to give you your accolades. I mean, you know, McDonald's All-American, Mr. Basketball USA. Your number 10 is retired at Arizona. Second overall pick in the 98 basketball draft.

That was a loaded year, by the way. That was you, Vince, Pierce, Dirk, right? Yeah. Pasha? Jameson. james no page was the year before jason williams uh michael dickerson i mean there's a lot of people that was a stacked year that was a stacked draft stacked all right king's legend king's legend 16 amazing years in the NBA. Wait, first of all. 14, 14, 14, 14. It was 14? Yeah, 14. Yo, listen, man. If you want to count the New York year, yeah, it was 14.

We're counting it, dude. We're counting it. All right, good, good, good. All right, Mike, look, man, I wrote down questions. Bro, I've been waiting almost 20 years to ask you these questions. I'm not even joking. I'm ready. All right, first things first.

Let's get into it right now. Mike Bibby doesn't get his flowers. Only a couple of people have brought this up. Probably one of the greatest Jordan PE collections ever. Wouldn't you agree, Mike? I think so. I think,

you know, out of all of us, I think Ray Allen had the best PEs. I mean, he, I mean, he's won championships and he's, and he was on a few teams in Miami and Boston. So I think he has, he's won championships and he's won a few teams

in Miami and Boston. So I think he has, he has a lot of, he has a lot of shoes. Yeah. I'm like, damn, you got those? Damn, you got those, Ray?

But, you know, everybody says that about me too, but I think I'm going to have to go with Ray as the number one, you know, PE getter in the, doing brand.

Man, he's, you're just being too humble right now. Super humble. How about this? I told him too. Man, you're just being too humble right now. Super humble. How about this? I told him too. Mike, can I say this on your behalf? When you wore the blue foam posits when you were at Arizona in 97, that was a moment.

You know, that's what kind of kicked me off, you know, started everything for me, being a shoe guru and all that stuff, you know, and how the story was. You know, back then everybody wore, it wasn't like that stuff, you know, and how the story was. Because we, you know, back then everybody wore – it wasn't like today where, you know, you wear whatever color you want no matter what the color of your uniform was. Team issues. Yeah, so back then everything was, you know,

if your uniform was red and white, you wore red and white shoes. That's how it was even in the NBA too. So the Nike guy came just right before the tournament started and said, hey, I'm going to give you guys all a pair of shoes. It's not your team colors. It won't be out for a while. But as soon as he said it won't be out for a while, I said I don't care what they are.

I'm going to wear them. Nobody's seen them. I'm going to put them on my feet. And, you know, that's what they gave a pair to every single player on the team. And you could have wore it if you wanted to wear it. If not, you just keep them. And, you know, that's what they gave a pair to every single player on the team. And you could have wore it if you wanted to wear it. If not, you just keep them. So, you know, a few guys wore them. You know, I think Jason Terry and myself were the only ones that really played a lot that wore them.

But I don't even know. I couldn't even tell you how I could play in my cut. So, I put them on, like, to this day. And I'm like, how did I play in these shoes? Yeah, man. I'm going to be honest, man. I don't think foams are great to play in. No, they look nice. But they these shoes? Yeah, man. I'm going to be honest, man. I don't think phones are great to play in. No, they look nice.

But they looked amazing. Yeah, it looked good. When people see you now, does it take them a second because of how jacked you are now? They look at you like, wait, I think I know you, but you look like in the first Captain America when he comes out of the machine shredded. Some people, you know, I mean, I'm at the gym a lot, so a lot of people that see me at the gym don't. But, you know, outside the gym, I think they just hear stories, and that's kind of the first thing that they say.

I mean, I don't think I'm much bigger than when I played, but, you know, I've been this way for a while. Can you still shoot with the muscle? Yes, I can. That's how I've gone anywhere. Yo, Jules, you haven shoot with the muscle yes i can that's not going anywhere yo yo jules you haven't seen the video of mike mike can still yak bro are you still yakking yo he can dump you are you someone put up the video of you dunking bro it's crazy the last time i dunked was probably three years ago it's crazy yeah Someone put up a video of Mike Bibby dunking. It was crazy.

I couldn't believe it. All right. So, so did they tell you, did they tell you the conceit of what we're talking about? Cause, cause we're talking about 2002. Okay.

Yeah. Let's go. I'm ready. We're breaking down games five and game six. These two, they don't know. I had to give them, I had to,

I had to lay, lay out the table a little bit. I kind of know. He caught, he caught, he's from the Bay. I'm from the Bay. And when you guys were hot, two they don't know i had to give him i had to i had to lay lay out the table a little bit i kind of know he caught he caught he's from the bay i'm from the bay and when you guys were hot the warriors were trash and we all hated the lakers and so i was i was on it so go ahead so we talk about i talk about the game five jumper so so first things first i gotta i gotta be transparent when you when you came in 01 i'm not gonna lie the city was sad everyone was a little sad we all love jay will we love jay white

chocolate but what was said was hey we need a point guard that can control the offense that can hit jumpers consistently and hit big shots in that game five moment i've seen it a million times i got the sacramento b you on the front page up in my room still but i want i want you to tell us what that moment was like because c-web hits that pick fisher collapses you step up you hit it and then you do this thing and in the arena erupts but but but take take us through it i want to to, let me say something first. Cause the first thing, you know, I was kind of, I didn't know how Sacramento fans or the team would take me coming in. Like you said, coming in for Jason Williams, a fan favorite and you know,

a team favorite. And that's what made it so comfortable for me coming in the fans and the team, you know, they acted like the team acted like i was there for like you know my whole career so that's what made it so easy for me to kind of make that jump from being on a team that you know really no one you know people were asking if i still played to you know i'm on i'm on i'm on the contender so i mean that was that was the biggest thing for me that's what made it so easy for me. But with, go ahead. No, I was just going to say, we all saw why they traded him now.

Once you started playing. So you can keep going, but we understood why. So we're not saying. I can't get past the fact that the newspaper there was called the Sacramento Bee. The old bee? Yeah, is that the whole city of high school? What the hell? No, hey, Sam, you got to take it easy with the disrespect right now. The SACB is an amazing –

It's still there, too. It's still there, man. Yeah. It's not going anywhere. But, you know, the play was for Chris to make a play. Either he'll shoot it, fake hand off to me, or give me the ball. So, you know, I told him, I said, if you don't shoot the ball, and we're walking out the hood, I said, if you don't shoot it,

I'll make the shot. And so he handed it off to me. And, you know, I shot that shot probably a million times, you know, practicing. So, you know, every shot that I took, I expected to go in because I worked so hard on my shot. So when I shot it, it felt good. It was just in rhythm. It was something that I did every day. And, you know, I shot it it felt good it was just in rhythm it's something it was something

that I did every day and you know I just expected it to go in and when it went in you know the fans went crazy it was crazy I look at videos and see it but like as I like I try to remember it being in that being that spot it's kind of hard to remember you were just in the zone it was just like you were in flow it was amazing it was amazing did you think that year so for me it felt like between 98 and probably 0203 that was our window that was like our window to really make a run for it but that year specifically i felt like number one seed number one seed had we beaten the Lakers, it's game over. We're taking the Nets in five games probably. Did you feel like –

We were the best team in the league that year, hands down. I think the Lakers knew it. The league knew it. And I think everybody in the world knew it. I mean, it was just that – it shouldn't have went to game seven. It's unfortunate we kind of shit the bed in game seven but um you know it happens and you know we thought we'd have another chance you know coming in coming in next year you know but injuries kind of hit us and it was kind of you know like you said our window was you know one or two years during that year so so for me

game six was probably one of the worst American tragedies in history. I'm not joking, bro. For everybody. For everybody. So as it's happening, look, we could talk about what happened with Vladi. We could talk about the pinky on Shaq's palm and that being a foul. We can talk about Weber getting called on offensive fouls while Robert Ori's winning an Oscar and flopping. But I want to talk about your moment with Kobe, with the elbow to you. The inbound pass is coming, and you get called for the foul.

No, actually, they called the foul on Doug after they threw the ball in. Yes. I mean, he did it kind of smooth as, you know, I would say like a savvy veteran would do. You know, made it look like it wasn't on purpose. And, you know, I mean, you could see the ref looking dead at it right there. It was just – I mean, it's a different ball game. We get that call.

And, I mean, like I said, like I said, you can't look dread on the past or whatever, but we get that call. And, I mean, like I said, you can't look dread on the past or whatever, but we get that call. It's our ball with about, you know, 10, 11, 12, 13 seconds left down one. So, you know, that's a different story. I love playing in L.A., so it probably would have been bad for him.

Yeah. Let's go. Was that your favorite team to go against, like playing in L.A. versus the Lakers? I love playing in L.A. because, I mean, you hear, you can hear stuff because it's kind of quiet in there, actually. Yeah, it's great. And you just hear, you hear, you can hear everything that somebody's saying to you. Mike, I couldn't agree more, bro.

I've said this before and L.A. fans get after me. Staples Center is great for recording a podcast. It's great for breaking up with a girlfriend. You want to call your grandmother overseas, me. Staples Center is great for recording a podcast. It's great for breaking up with a girlfriend. You want to call your grandmother overseas, go to Staples Center. Amazing reception, very quiet. You need to take a Zoom meeting, job interview, go to Staples Center during a Laker game. I mean, it's quiet, but everybody goes to be seen there.

So, you know what I mean? It's LA. That's what you do out there. So, I mean, but you could hear everything. I think they brought the best out of me. And I just felt good when I went there because it's like me against everybody that's there. And that's how I felt. During that era, be honest, be honest. We weren't that scared of Kobe, were we? Much respect to Kobe and the legacy, but 0-2 Kobe, we weren't pressed about Kobe. It was Shaq who we pressed about. There was no one to be scared of, really. Yes, let's go.

When we set up for our games, we are our thing. Doug did a pretty good job on Kobe. Doug's about 6'7". He kind of held his own against Kobe, but Shaq was something different. I've never – I'd but Shaq was something different. I've never – I'd say Shaq was the most dominant player that I've seen, you know, just in fact in basketball, just how strong he was, fast. I mean, we did have to make sure he saw three people every time he got the ball.

That was our game plan, make sure he saw three people. How did you get in there and earn the team – the respect of the team so quick? Just by how you worked? Or were you a quiet leader? Were you vocal? Or was it just through your actions? Because I can already tell, I can answer the question probably through your actions.

You're the guy that works his ass off. Yeah, I worked hard. And, I mean, I was in the gym. It was right across from the arena. So there was plenty of times, plenty of games that after games I went and shot, you know, 300 makes and, you know, 350 makes, 400 makes after a game. And I didn't come in – like, my agent – the first thing my agent told me, like, this team's established.

You don't have to come in and woo anybody and do all that. Just, you know, be a constant player, you know, knock down shots and just play off of these guys and things will go for itself that's why that's how i played in the regular season you know i was 13 points in the regular season and it was just like okay now i see like the first practice i remember passing the ball come through the lane the ball i ducked the ball almost hit me in the head and you know i remember coach career peace, he was like, you better be ready, young fella. The balls are coming. You know, so I wasn't used to, you know, getting passes

after I gave the ball up. You know what I mean? So I had to adjust my whole game and do a whole different game, game plan for the way I played. Well, you're used to a team that couldn't pass like that when you were in Memphis. I mean, everyone, I mean, Weber, Vladi, everyone could move the ball.

Everyone. The best two big passes probably the game has ever seen. I mean, in Vancouver, our thing was kind of throwing in the post. You know, back then they played inside out. So you throw it in the post, you get a double team out, they kick it out, now you play out that way. Now, you know, we started playing different after that. Do you feel like at the time, during that era,

at least when you played with the Kings, in my opinion, you were one of the best mid-range shooting guards in the league? It's funny because our era was kind of the mid-range shooters. You know, you had Ross, Terrell Brandon, Sam Cassell. You go all the way down the line, everybody shot mid-range. That was the thing to do, mid-range. Who was your toughest cover? Because no disrespect, but it wasn't D. Fish.

It wasn't D. Fish. It had to be Iverson, right? Let's go. You got to sit. My defense, I wasn't really a great defensive player. I was telling everybody they paid me to put the ball on the basket. So I wasn't really going and trying to work on defense. We had Doug Christie and Bobby Jackson for that.

So my hardest cover was Stephon Marbury. And just the fact that he had – he was going to shoot 30 shots a game, so you're going to have to play true defense every possession. He was strong. He was quick. He was fast. He was athletic. He was a dog He was fast. He was athletic. He was a dog.

Like, the biggest thing with him, he's from New York. He's a dog. And every guy he played against, he wanted to show, hey, I'm better than you. And playing like that, that's hard. You know, you get a lot of guys that play in the NBA that, you know, are capped at five shots a game. You know, if you go to a game, you're going somewhere and shooting five shots,

I'm like, okay, I'm going to have an easy night defensively. Him, he's getting at least 30. Right. So, I don't know if you saw the Donaghy documentary. Did you see it on Netflix? I haven't seen it yet. I'm not going to watch it. I'm not going to watch that.

I can't even watch most of the games. I can't even watch game six still. That fourth quarter, I still can't watch that. Wow. It's probably the same way I'm a going to watch it. I'm not going to watch that. I can't even watch most of the games. I can't even watch game six still. That fourth quarter, I still can't watch that. It's probably the same way I'm a New Yorker. I don't want to watch like United 93. You know what I mean? I don't want to see that shit. It was a tragedy.

I get it. I mean, who do you blame more for the loss? Tim Donahue and these corrupt refs or the fact that Peja was in full strength? You're talking about what game? Well, wasn't he coming off an ankle injury? Bavetta was the ref on the games, right?

Yeah, Bavetta. I forget what the name was. How were they with you? Did you get love from the refs or no? You didn't get the special treatment, did you, Mike? For a couple years i did it was like two or three years and after that once i after that once i started going to the

basket it wasn't getting those same calls i was like okay i guess my time's up is up wow so it is real it is real right i mean i mean there's superstars you gotta you gotta take care of the superstars people want to see superstars score? Yo, Mike, I can't tell you how validated I feel because I would get into it with Laker fans and they're like, what are you talking about? What are you talking about? The refs cooked the game.

What are you talking about? And I was like, so when the documentary came out and Donaghy basically was like, look, there was a group of us that we were told as company men, hey, you got to take care of the guys that are leading the league and take care of them and you'll be taken care of. The fans want to see them play all four quarters.

That's in any league though. That's in any league. I mean, whether it's hockey, football, baseball, they're going to, I mean, it's going to be taken care of. Jules, you feel that way? During the regular season, yes. During the post season, I would say they let us play a bunch. Like you could always tell DBs could get away with a lot more when you were running routes in the playoffs. They say, you know, do business as business is being done. And, guys, you know, it gets a little more physical.

You can push off more and they can grab you more. It's just – See, but the benefit of that is going to go to you guys and the Patriots right nah that's what people think we just had doubt you guys were better yeah but it wasn't like that a lot of the times

it felt like they were against us honestly like the league was pissed the league didn't want they want parody they didn't like having someone at the top like they fucking they suspended brady for four games with no evidence like are you kidding me like legit like if you look read through that fucking report nothing says nothing was done illegally or anything i feel like i feel like four games wasn't enough jules that's the way I feel, bro.

Yeah, I mean, when you're on top, bro, people will try to knock you down. I'm one of them. Tell me about it. People always go after my man Eli Manning. Shit's fucked up. Shit's fucked up. But, Jules, I'm a fan of you guys, too. I used to watch you guys and just be in awe.

You know, you weren't 6'7", 6'5", like all these other guys. You were a killer out there, too. I love it. No, man, you were, you weren't 6'7", 6'5", like all these other guys. You were a killer out there, too. I love it. No, man, you were a huge inspiration. Like I said, you were always an undersized guy, but you could always tell through your preparation. And I was a preparation guy. Like you said, after a game, go hit 300 shots. Like I was the type of guy that was always there at six catching balls.

I had to get my eyes warmed. I had to get my body right for the day. Just like trying to win each and every single day. And, you know, you're a huge, definitely. So I appreciate that,

bro. We asked, you know, Hassan asked you about who you hated defending, who are pests on defense. It was Fisher a pain in the ass. No, uh, they used to send

guys that their main goal was just come in here and just try to irritate me, like goose and shit. I could probably say he's probably the biggest pass out there. He just came out there and hacked me and just tried to get away with stuff that he couldn't get away with. He just't, he just couldn't, he couldn't keep up. You know,

I felt bad for him. Wow. Another, another former Nick. Shouts out to Sasha. Thank you for your service. Hey, so what? You know, that's just, they put him in to try to, you know, get on my nerves. So, so Mike, let me ask you something real quick. What made you the – why the 300 made? Was that something you learned from your pops? Or, like, what was the – why the 300? Because it was 1 o'clock in the morning, and I had practice the next day. So I had to be home. But, you know, during the summer, I make probably 700 makes a day,

750 makes a day. How many makes do you make your son go through? I read that you had been training him and coaching him since he was nine. I just put him through a workout. You know, I mean, kids are different than how we were back then. So if you give them too much, they're going to start to complain.

So you got to give them and keep their mindset kind of focused. And once he starts, he's tired or his leg hurts, give me 10 free throws and you're done so that sounds like my pops are you still watching the game a lot Mike are you still watching

any of these younger guys right now in the NBA and if so who are people you like watching I watch all the time you know I love the Suns with Chris Paul the addition to Chris Paul I think was a great addition. You know, you got to watch Steph and the Warriors. And, you know, John Moran, I think, is a monster.

He's a monster. And, you know, I like Jason Tatum. You go all the way down, there's a lot of young guys that, like I said, I think the NBA, the future's in good hands. But John Moran, I mean, he just – he has that dog mentality. Like, he's going to make sure it happens. And that's the mentality you got to have playing against guys in the NBA. We were talking earlier that you guys were almost 10 years –

you guys were almost 10 years too early for what you guys were. Bro, we were the Warriors before the Warriors i'm gonna just say it yeah i mean we they kind of we run the same eye for offense kind of you know it's the princeton offense you know a lot of cuts and you know what was tough other teams couldn't really you know when you go through walk through and these are the plays they're gonna run and when they do this they're doing this you couldn't do that with us because you never knew. We didn't know what we were going to run until it happens. You know, a lot of back cuts, splits.

And, you know, I mean, Blotty and Webb put the ball right on the money. So it was hard. It was hard to prepare for us. What was the like, what was Rick? What were you guys talking about going into the series? Like, what's the strategy going into play the Lakers? We got to make sure Shaq sees three people. You know what I mean?

We sent in a lot of video of Shaq being in the paint for about, you know, seven, eight, nine seconds. So, I mean, he's going to be – he's hard to stop already, but when he's in the paint for that long, he's hard to stop already but when he's gonna pay for that loan it's gonna be impossible so we were trying to get any you know

any kind of plus we can out of it did it did it help playing in Sacramento because no disrespect you know I've played there

I've done gigs there and stuff not a ton of distraction in that city was that I mean look there's a few good bars and stuff

but like were you guys a very disciplined great man Cheesecake Factory is popping in Sacramento don't you dare disrespect Cheesecake Factory don't you dare disrespect Art and Fair Mall There's a few good bars and stuff, but were you guys a very disciplined group? Yeah, man. Cheesecake Factory is popping in Sacramento. Don't you dare disrespect Cheesecake Factory. Don't you dare disrespect Art and Fair Mall. There's a lot happening there.

There's a footlocker and a chic and a foot action. And they just got in and out. There's a lot of distractions. There's distractions there. There's distractions you go anywhere, really. You can find distractions anywhere. But, I mean, it's a small place. You know what I mean?

Everybody knows everybody in the leagues. Everybody's the same league. So I still know a lot of people out there. Still have a lot of friends out there too. So I love playing Sacramento. That was kind of catapulted me in my career, you know, kind of jump-started my career again. I mean, they're rich.

They probably took helicopters to the bay i can't get no helicopter no thank you all right they freak me out mike do you ever think mike do you ever think that uh when you watch the league now do you feel like it's a good hands do you ever feel like oh i i could play in that league or do you feel like you were tailor-made to play in the era that you played in i think i could have played in that league you know i mean it's being a shooter i think i could play you know i mean um and that's what it i would have shot more threes you know like the most the most three that i ever shot like an average in a year was i think six a game you know you got guys shooting 23s a game now i mean it's a different game now but um i think, I think I could, I think I could play in this league, this era. But six for your, for that era is a high number. Yeah, it is. I felt

like I shot a lot of threes actually. Yeah. Um, so, so Mike, just real quick. I mean, you look great. A lot of players, man, a lot of heroes that I had growing up, I had their champion jerseys and I see them now boys are looking rough so when did you get into bodybuilding and you're like yo i'm gonna be mr olympia out here you know what i used to lift all the time you know whenever i come back from um from from summer they'd always tell me like the trainer would be like mike you can't you can't lift like that when you go home like you got they want they don't want you to like they used to frown upon lifting weights like there's been plenty of time really yeah rick allen would come through the waiting room and be mad we were lifting why but what's the reason just from being agile they want you yeah

they want you to be able to move you got to be able to they want you to be able to be agile you know if you're all stocky and stuff you won't be able to move. You got to be able to, they want you to be able to be agile. You know, if you're all stocky and stuff, you won't be able to move. But how about someone like Luka right now? He doesn't like, you know, he looks like a bigger dude. He's not lifting weights.

Yeah, he's not lifting weights. That's just his size. Yeah, that boy's thick, man. He's just thick though. Yeah, he's tough. When you put muscle on, you give your, like, because football, we have to put the muscle on to be able to endure hits. Like you leave your, when you pump yourself out and you looked as Jack as Mike, you get vulnerable pulling out, you know, your hamstrings or stuff like that. You, you can also get hurt in the fucking weight room. Like it's just, it's, you leave yourself more vulnerable getting hurt. So that's why a lot of guys, like with TB12,

and the whole method of being long and pliable so you can be rubber bandy and not get hurt. Yeah. I got to know from this era, because there were a lot of characters on this team. Any memories of team bonding stuff or going out with these guys? Everybody had their own stuff. I think Vladi was probably the best team I had their own stuff, you know, but Vladi was,

I think Vladi was probably the best team I had as far as just his attitude, his, like, no matter if he had a good game, bad game,

he was going to be the same person on the plane. You know, I played with people that, you know, didn't get their points or whatever, won't sit with,

you know, at the card table that night. I mean, just Vladi was ringleader of everything and vladi was amazing for a 58 year old he had an amazing attitude i caught i caught vladi smoking one time and um smoking a cigarette in the bathroom one time i can't use the bathroom like so he was a chain smoker right this was the word that he was a chain smoker but i'd seen him smoking a cigarette before the game.

And I was like, come on, Vladi. The game's about to start in five minutes. And he's in there smoking a cigarette. I mean, I guess you got to do what you're doing. So how was it for him? He's seeing you doing deadlifts, and he's got the sausage arms, and he's chain smoking. These are two very different people.

But you guys are you guys are everybody love vladi so how did you how did you gel with that but it's plain style lended i mean you're vladi you can smoke a cigarette you're vince carter you got to put down the marlboro you know what i mean like vladi can smoke yeah but i mean vladi wasn't moving too quick he wasn't jumping too high vladi vladi would beat you with his IQ, his brain. And he knew that. So, I mean, regardless of how he came in the night before or what he was doing before the game, he would be all right. What was C-Web like?

Alpha dog. I mean, he was just a dog, you know, and everybody on the team knew it. He was the captain. And, you know, we knew every night that it wasn't going to be our night. But Webb, we knew it was going to be his night because that's what it is. The average is, you know, 28 and 12. So everybody fell in the line after that, and everybody knew it. That's what made it so good.

No one expected to have that night like Webb was having every night. We had so many guys that were good that it might be Hedo's night tonight, Paige's night, Bobby's night, my night, and everybody was good with that. Now, did anyone joke around about the timeout with him, or was he kind of sensitive about that? No one said no one, not when I was there. He was there for like four years before I got there. But, you know what I mean, people make mistakes.

And I heard somebody call a timeout on the thing. You know, he was a kid at the time. He was probably 18 years old, but, I mean, it happens, you know what I mean? That was the reason why they lost the game. Yeah. Yo, it's interesting. Every time I do any of these sports podcasts with

former athletes, they always talk about having that dog in them. Jules, you were talking about it before Mike came on. Mike, you've been talking about it. When you talk about a guy that has, like, that dog in them jules you were talking about it before mike came on mike you've been talking about it when you talk about a guy that has like that dog in them what's what does that mean they're gonna fuck you up in practice like you know or is it mental toughness their clutch what is it i'll let mike i'll let mike go and then i'll give you my version yeah just and name names bro name names the statute of limitations bro it's been 20 years other dudes who are dogs. We want to know some of those. What makes you a dog?

Kobe was a dog. Kobe was, they used to have a mentality of, fuck it. I'm going to go out here. This is what I'm going to do. You know, like it or not.

And I'm going to be physical with you. This is where I grew up. I'm hungry. It could mean a whole bunch of different things, but like, you know, Kobe, Marbury,

Carmelo Anthony. I mean, a whole bunch of different things, but like, you know, Kobe, Marbury, Carmelo Anthony. I mean, like you just keep going on and on. Like the guys that you look at, like nothing fazes them. And they want to be in that situation. They want to be in the trenches when it's rough. And I want the ball in my hands at the end of the game. I don't run from it. I want to do this.

I mean, just little stuff like that. Did you play that way? I feel like that era with the Kings, you played that way. You seem fearless down the stretch. I'm fearless, yeah, but I've worked so hard on it that I didn't expect anything different. My mentality, I have a mentality of a dog. Yes, I feel I am one am where i was one i still

am you know i still go to the gym still hold my own still get physical still get loud you know i mean that's just that's just me yeah a dog to me is yeah a dog is like a motherfucker that eats a steak with his hands and not a fork and knife. A guy that knows he's going to go across the middle and fucking, he knows he's going to get decapitated. But he's going to make the catch. He's going to get up talking shit. Like letting people know. That's how I tried to play the game. Someone that was not just competitive about the game, but that fucking was competitive in practice.

We're in practice and walkthrough and you guys get into fights because we're getting too physical or we're taking a guy to the ground. You're making a hard block. But like, if you're going to get mad at me, then fucking stop me. So you, you be a fucking dog. That's what a dog is, you know, like in our, in our world. You were a good example of a dog too, as a fan, as a spectator, Julie and Mike,

you're both great players who got even better in the post season. To me, that's a dog too as a fan as a spectator julie and mike you're both great players who got even better in the postseason to me that's a dog when the lights shine bright you can't you can't run that that's that's that's a dog yeah you gotta want it can't be afraid to fail either no that that's that's like the ultimate thing you're gonna fail you sometimes you know you're gonna fail but you're still gonna fucking go out there so mike i gotta ask you so who's got who's got those jordan 17 all black lows that you hit the jumper in where they at and pull them out on zoom we need to see them i don't have those anymore those are long gone what team dime has them who has them the squad who's got them wow they were probably still at the arena from.

They're in Arco? Arco, yeah. Under rubble? It's probably now. And then somebody took it. Do you relate? Do you still identify as like a Sacramento King? Or is there a team you identify most strongly with?

He's a king. Yeah. Yeah, I think that, like I said, that was my best year. Sacramento, Atlanta were probably my best years. You know, and the Vancouver, but I think I'm known for being Sacramento King mostly. I mean, that's the first thing everybody says, like, Mike Bibby, Sacramento Kings.

So, I mean, I'll say Kings. Are they hard for you to watch, though, right now because of the way they play? Don't do this, Sam, bro. Don't do this to us. Does it make you sad thinking that the days of their glory are long gone? Sorry. Look what he's doing to me now. They got good players and stuff.

I mean, I haven't been around the organization for a little bit, but I don't know what's going on, so I don't want to really chime in on what the inside is. They don't hit you up for stuff? He's coaching now. He's coaching, man. He's busy. I wish they would. Make sure this gets to them so they can send me

to do some stuff for them. Let's go. Get them shit. Mike, we need shooting. We need dogs on that squad, bro. I'm ready. I'm ready. It's a family reunion. I visited. I went back a couple years ago.

Bobby's working there. Vladi's working there. It's like a high school reunion. I have another question, actually, regarding the current team. Because we had Gilbert Arenas on here. And he says that if you're too fast, your jump shot is shit. Is that De'Aaron Fox's problem? Oh, wow.

That's interesting. I don't know. I mean, he's a good little player, young player. I think he – I don't know how his shot is. I mean, he's a scorer. So I don't know how his shot is. But, I mean, like I said, I was never blessed with that speed, so I really can't comment.

You know, I was kind of slow and took my time and get to where I want to get to and kind of use my brain instead of more physical attributes. Alright, I want to end with this. We got one last question. We're all curious about it. Can we get one Kobe story? It could be from any time of your career.

I mean, I'll give you a story. That no one knows. That no one knows, Mike. It was, I forget what year it was. It was maybe when they were breaking the team up, I was supposed to get traded to the Lakers. Wow. It was probably like, I'll say maybe four or five, maybe.

I just got on the phone with him, and he called me. His voice is very distinct. But you might call. But he was trying to get me there. You know, I mean, and he finally called. Ended up calling me like two days later like, man, it didn't work out. The moves didn't want to send you to L.A. So, I mean, then it was supposed to be to Cleveland.

Then I ended up getting charity to Atlanta. But, you know, that's about it you know Kobe is a great guy our dads played together in Philly so I mean that was our ties there that we had there our dads played together as well that's amazing well Mike

thank you man and thank you for never getting shook bro there's a lot of cupcakes out there bro and you weren't one of them, thank you, man. And thank you for never getting shook, bro. There's a lot of cupcakes out there, bro. And you weren't one of them. So thank you, man. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. We're all fans, man.

Mike, thanks for coming on, man. If you ever need anything our way, let me know if we can help or do anything. Send me a jersey, man. I'll take a jersey. I got you a jersey. You got to send me a jersey. I will. We got to put it in the studio.

I'll send it to you. As soon as you guys get it, I'll get it to you guys. I got you a jersey. You got to send me a jersey. I will. We got to put it in the studio. I'll send it to you. As soon as you guys get it, I'll get it to you guys. I got you. That's big. I appreciate it. Sign it for me, too, please. Oh, fucking of course.

I got you. You got to sign yours, then. I will. I'll sign it. I'll sign it. I'll see what I got. I'll send you guys stuff. I'll get the address. I'll get you a gamer.

All right. I appreciate that. Wow. Dude, I'm going to be honest. I think he's handled it emotionally way better than I have. That's the immediate assessment that I've gotten. He's like, yeah, I've moved on. I want to play with a guy like him.

He just seems like a really, he's a humble dude. You can tell he works. He was kind of, he wasn't too butthurt about it. He was butthurt, but he knew knew he was like at peace with it. Yeah, man. He's have to be, you know, one of the, no, no, Sam, we're comics. You know, we're so petty and weak. I know, but the pettiness fuels us.

He's retired. Like we're still going. He's retired. Yeah. You can stay petty if you're still playing, I think. Oh, interesting. So is the reason why comics were petty? We're like, well, I can't believe he said that about me on a podcast.

It's because we're still, it's still our going. Oh, got you. Do you ever retire as a comic? I think you die. I want to go out like Rickles or Joan. That's great. I want to, I want to,

I want to die doing this. That's awesome. Yeah, man. I don't think you retire if you're like Michael Richards or something. I don't think you retire. I think you're forced into retirement. Yeah.

You're kind of forced out. He, he is jacked. Yeah. He is jacked. Yeah. He is jacked. Maybe he's shredded. Yeah. I mean, that's like a big part of all of our childhoods. We're all the same age.

I remember playing with him in like 2K. Yeah. I remember the Kings were like the cool team because they had shooting. Cool, cool team. And they could all play. I mean, he's- Jules, are you in-

I mean, was it strange for you to see he's in better shape than he was in the league? Are you still ESPN body issue? Yeah, I'm still pretty. Dude, I have to change next to Julian. Are you full body issue? Yeah. I mean, I'm probably like five pounds less because I'm not lifting as much, but I'm still in pretty good cardio.

And that's where it is. Dude, just give him a lift up. Come on, give him a little lift. Show off. He's got abs. Are you doing this? Are we thirst trapping right now? We're not thirst trapping. that's where it is dude just give him a lift up come on give him a little lift show off he's got abs are you doing this are we thirst trapping right now thirst trap

I'm on thirst trap probation according to Big Cat so why cause I guess I do it too much here hey so when you're doing the body issue cover where do they

where do they tuck your junk bro when you're doing the extend on the thigh bro trust me google images I queued it up

so I sign up I'm not gonna lie to you I sign up for this thing and you know it's sock and tape right that's what I thought listen this is alright I'm listening so images i queued it up so i i sign up i'm not gonna lie to you i sign up for this thing and you know it's talking tape right that's what i thought listen this is right i'm listening so they first off tell me like it's gonna be a small shoot there's not gonna be that many people there because it's nerve-wracking you're like it's not that small yeah roll up there there's fucking 35 people there's it's a huge set uh-huh and like once you get warmed up you start taking these

shots and then you go look at like the the prints or you go look at the the samples and like your dick's hanging out in front of the ball and shit and you're sitting there talking with the photographer they don't pouch it no no you're fully bald that's crazy and she goes oh don't worry we can just we'll cut that out don Don't worry. It's a good shot. Like the whole time, everyone's looking at your dick. There's like social people taking pictures of your dick. Oh my God.

Wow. They promised a small set, no small set, full bare knuckle Barry out there. That's like when you go to the doctor, ESPN, the magazine, no intimacy coordinator for Julian.

But you know, when you go to the doctor and they're like, we have someone to like learning, can they come in? I'm like, I guess, but it's my dick i know i know so you trim up you trimmed up did the whole thing i trimmed up for that now i don't i don't trim as much i can you can't be in like your mid-30s yeah like trimming up having a shaved chest and arms i used to do that stuff to make you it look makes you look way more jacked on tv i get it you know i mean like you never see the baseball guys,

they tape up, you get vascular, you shave up legs and stuff. You do the legs because you get your ankle tape. You don't get the shit ripped out, but no more trimming up. But I'm still, I still got it. I'm still there. How do you feel when civilians like us

talk about being athletic? Do you start laughing? No, not at all. Okay. Because like everyone's got a form of athleticism because i'll be because i'll flip it when i hear other people are like oh i want to do stand-up i'm like good we're not saying we want to play in the nfl then they would laugh at us yeah but don't you feel when certain civilians are like i could do that they see clips of like you and norman that's and they're like oh

you guys tell jokes yeah i could tell a joke in 90 seconds i mean you know how hard it is to tell a samurai level yeah but that's a compliment That means we're making it look easy. That's a compliment. I would put it more like... I take offense to it. I would put it more like me trying to zing in a quick joke around you guys where you guys are like, what the fuck is this guy doing? Because I feel like some of the jokes that you land in your specials,

that's arm in the rim. I'm like, how did he land that? You know what I mean? I'm like, because the level of difficulty. I mean, I don't know. Julian says he's not judging us. He's going to hop on a Zoom with Mike Bibby after this. These fucking nerds tried to hang.

These fucking losers. He was cool. He was cool as fuck, bro. He was really cool. And that was, I would say, like an all-time cool NBA team. Yeah, for sure. I think they're up there. For sure.

Especially, I mean, one of the coolest teams that didn't get a ring. I mean, they're like top three. Definitely. I mean, I put my 93, 94 Knicks in there. Of course. I think that team's there. You got to put the seven seconds

or less Suns in there. For sure. Suns. Nah, she never got. I think this Phoenix- I'd even- Chris Paul team was pretty damn cool. I'd even put 2012 Clippers

that could never get over the hump. They were a great team. Chris Paul's been on a couple of them. Yeah. The Houston Rockets with Chris Paul too. Chris Paul. It's just all Chris Paul. I think the TMAC Rockets when he had that little run.

I think the Reggie Miller, sorry. Reggie Miller. Penny. Disagree. 93 to 95. Penny Shaq. The Hardaway. The Magic Moment.

Yeah, man. Damn. You had some pretty good squads, man. The 99 Knicks were pretty damn cool too with Spree and Houston and LJ. Yeah. Marcus Canby. You're talking about this LJ, right? The Nuggets with Mello too.

We had that team. That was a cool little team too. Man. Cool. Did we settle the prop bet, Jack? Did we get it? Sorry, fellas. We came up a little bit short in total. How many times? Just two. Hey, can I be honest with you guys? Yeah.

I was too nervous to say it when he was like that. If we're counting what we all thought, I'm going to say the joke. We definitely hit it. I was going to go, Mike, when did you convert

to Islam in prison? Because you're looking swole, bro. I was going to call him Brother Mike, but I got too scared. It's like seeing it like it's like you know what i mean he's like a part of my childhood yeah dude i mean i i used i interviewed starks on a show and i was like it's john stark it's john i love john what can i say except to

be like thank you yeah yeah i didn't want i couldn't get in there either because i i just felt weird well what i loved and what you must have loved about starks what i loved about him is I, I could tell, you can just tell it's crazy how you can kind of tell from TV, even if you are just a civilian who, who does have that dog in him. He really was super cool and collected and wasn't shook by Kobe. And that's what I loved about Starks too.

Him like McDaniel. Those were those guys that would go like forehead to forehead with MJ. I know. And they kind of weren't like oh goat he's a goat like even though MJ is the goat they kind of

I put Paul Pierce in there all over him Paul Pierce was great with Kobe yeah Paul Pierce he used to battle him yeah

finals MVP anyone who overachieves in the playoffs or just gets everything they can out of their ability they've got the dog yeah

I can't believe it would have been crazy if Bibby would have became a Laker. That's a crazy story. What he probably didn't say is, you know who he got instead of Bibby is Smush Parker. And Kobe must have been fucking furious. Yeah. That must have.

Well, whatever. I mean, this was great. This is great to have you, Hasan. Check out the Kings jester now on Netflix. Gotta check it out. Hilarious guy. Appreciate that. Biggest Kings fan I've ever Netflix. Hilarious guy. Appreciate that. Biggest Kings fan I've ever met.

Ever. And thanks for joining us. Dude, you spiced this. This is awesome. This was a great, the energy of this episode was unlike anything we've ever heard.

No, I appreciate it. No, you can just tell you loved it. No, I was fucking, we loved it. We loved having you. You just, that was,

I get asked to a lot of pods. I was like, when he told me about this, I'm like, I'm fucking in. You're fucking funny too. We literally talked to the seller and I was like, if you could be on with any athlete and he said Weber or Bibby. I'm there. Yeah.

We'll have to get Weber and get you back. Oh man. Can't wait. See that smile over Zoom. I'm here. Beautiful. Haasen reaction. Energy.

Just a pure fan. It's how we became friends. I mean, I met him at Gotham Comedy Club many years ago, and he saw me, as he said, in a Knicks shirt, and was like, I know this person. Yeah. Like, I think that real fans can sniff out real fans, and he's a real sack fan.

And you guys connected through, like, tragedies of your teams a lot of the time. And just obsession. Obsession. You can just feel they were so close. You could tell he still takes it with him. And just his excitement. I remember when I saw him at the Cellar, and he was like, dude, Bibby?

You could tell how much he still loves Bibby. He's so charismatic. I thought he was insanely funny. Yeah. I mean, he took over the show. He was so excited to ask questions to Bibby. I jumped out of the way. I was like, hey, man, this is all you.

You're dressed sharp. I mispronounced his name. I saw him give me a look and a correction. I apologize, Hassan. Hassan, like Bossin Hassan. I said Hassan, and he got all, and I've heard that. He did that to Ellen at a show once. Really?

Yeah, I heard that. He did that to, he corrected Ellen. He scolded Ellen DeGeneres? I don't think he scolded her. I don't think he scolded her. I think he just corrected her. I hope he did it in front of her PAs and staff that she mistreated. I gave him a standing O.

I think it was on air. Oh, really? Yeah. Full on air. I love it. I gave him a standing O. I think it was on air. Oh, really? Yeah. Full on air. I love it. I loved it. He took over in the best possible way. He took over the way, like,

Klay Thompson takes over when he's just hitting threes, and you're like, he's the hot hand, feed him. You know, keep dishing to him. Lasting image. Lasting image is honestly probably of this

game of this series. What are we doing? Game? I mean, Bibby hitting the shot. No question. 100%. The lasting image is we see Weber's body up, we see Fisher on the floor, and we see Fisher elevate. That's the lasting image. Fisher?

Bibby, rather. Yeah derrick fisher was on the floor yeah he was on he was guarding him i was also uh headband over the ears derrick fisher remember that era i was shocked when he said fisher wasn't a good defender because i thought he was i always as a spectator that's because they were there i mean that was probably because that's a dog saying that yeah you know i mean bibs probably like, they competed a bunch against each other. Yeah. I was watching Fisher. I was like, this dude plays his heart out.

He's like Kobe respect. If Kobe wants you on the team, you don't hear Kobe being like, bring back Samush Parker. Kobe's like, bring back Derek Fisher. Yeah. But you know how basketball is, man. Those guys, it's a score. Those guys can feel like they can score on anyone.

Like, there's no really good defenders, if you really think about it. Are there D-backs, though, who played you well, who you'd be like, he wasn't good? Yeah. Really? Who? Name names. I wouldn't say he wasn't good, but I would say that they're not as hyped. They're not as good as their hype. Who's overrated?

I thought this is going to get some heat. I thought ****** was a little overrated. They used to play... Whoa! ****** is overrated? A little bit. I mean, he was really good in his role, but as a man covering corner, he played cover three all the time, so he never really,

he had everything in front of him, and that team defense was, they were connected on a string. You'd see that linebacker shoot out to the flat, and he would get depth, and so he could play in front and keep his eyes in the backfield and make breaks. He was the best at that. He's an unbelievable corner, but his pure man-on-man, like he never really not didn't

have help like you you never saw like you you saw with Revis Gilmore and a lot of these guys where they would just say hey you have him all game you follow him everywhere and everyone else you guys have everyone else is Revis the best you ever played against he was pretty good he just was always on balance. He knew the game so well. He could cheat on certain things. I'm not saying he's not really good. I'm just saying as a man on man.

Sounds like Julian Edelman said that. Doesn't have the goods. He's going to try to come at me for this. It's all good. He'll probably be like, oh, he's just a competitive guy. I've heard it. no beef i'm pumped no we got our first beef dude half lack we got podcast beefs let's do it one right now name the game the shot i it's not the show oh

i'm sorry jack what do we forget before we named this? We got a little carried away with Hassan going in, kind of living. With what? Hassan. Like Boston, bro. He's Boston Hassan. Oh, my God. Even I'm doing it.

That's because of me. It was like a real Make-A-Wish kid type episode. He was just going to him. He was. It was. Can't blame him. Let's get back to the game real quick. Just a quick little overview that we kind of breezed over. It was back and't blame him. Let's get back to the game real quick. Just a quick little overview that we kind of breezed over.

It was back and forth all night. Can't forget Shaq got in foul trouble early. He was playing all game with two to three fouls and ended up fouling out with just under four minutes left right in crunch time. So that was huge. Five lead changes in the fourth quarter. As we know, Bibby hits the go-ahead shot with eight seconds left. Kobe goes down down misses the

buzzer beater uh and all night it was kobe and shack first webber and bibby 30 for kobe 28 for shack 29 for weber 23 for bibby um and then we got to contextualize this a little more robert ory hit a buzzer beat of the game before that. Big shot, Bob. That was when they hit out. That was when he did a little dance, too. Robert Ori was seven rings, dude. Insane. You forget about the Houston years. At least I do.

I don't. Knicks, are you kidding me? Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. Blown my head off. And then we all know game six with the extremely controversial officiating. The Lakers shot 18 more free throws in the fourth quarter. So game six with the extremely controversial officiating, the Lakers shot 18 more free throws in the fourth quarter. Then game seven, Bibby alluded to it a little bit,

the Kings missed 14 free throws in that loss. So that was kind of the story there. You can't miss 14, especially a finesse team. You can't miss 14 free throws. Can't. And then quick recap on the game six officials. Dick Bovetta, Tom Bernhardt, Bob Delaney. Those were the boys doing the NBA's work.

Damn. They were company men. Yep. Do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do. It was. This is a shady. This is a shady series. It's crazy that they. It's crazy to be that good at basketball and to come that close and to have the refs cost you. A championship for an entire city.

There's like no pro. It wasn't just the NBA. This is for all the Central Valley people of Sacramento. It's their only franchise. Only franchise. Their posture in that city is worse for having not won this. They're sadder than they should be. Saltwater taffy factories and plantations

probably shut down because of the economic status of the city after not winning a championship because of these refs potentially. It's true. There was a sadness to Sacramento. The crowds are great. I just always remember saltwater taffy when I went to Sacramento. It's good. A little old town.

You know, they have the old town feel. That's where I got this sweatshirt. Yeah. I literally wore this. This is a move I do on the road a lot where I just, you know, I'll put my jacket on, I get on stage, you know, they have the old town feel. That's why I got this sweatshirt. Yeah. I literally wore this. I would, this is a move I do on the road a lot where I just, you know, I put my jacket on, I get on stage. I say, I think it's disgusting when comedians pander to a city and I take my jacket off and I'm wearing something that just reps the city.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You got to get them started. That's my move. That's why I have this dumb sweatshirt. Supporting local gift shops. I love it.

I support the gift shops, dude. Overpriced merch. It looks, you know, not to say plagiarism or anything, but it looks a little Nantuckety. Wow, it kind of does. You know, I mean, Sacramento, we're more gold rushy, dude. Can we get some fucking miners on there or something? Yeah.

We're not riding bikes along a beautiful summer coastal weather day on the East Coast. They ride bikes out there. I've seen bikes. Along the river? Yeah, I think so. No. I saw some bikes.

More like, yeah, in California, you get like competitive like bikers, but you're not seeing bikes with baskets and Dorothy riding it. I don't know. All right, well, we got to score this game. I think the stakes are insanely high. I mean, it's, oh, we have to name the game too.

The shot. Big shot, I think it's big shot, baby. Big shot, baby. The last good thing to happen in Sacramento. Who is that, Jack or Kyler? I wrote that in the title. That's good stuff. The last good thing to happen in Sacramento.

I mean, it's big shot, baby. Big shot, baby. But it is the last good thing to happen in Sacramento. ESB. Stakes. Stakes are high. But it is the last good thing to have. ESB. Stakes. Stakes are high. This is game five? Five.

Take the lead. I got to say, I think. In the Western Conference Finals, though. Yeah. So what, like an 8-4? 8-4. 8-4. Star power.

It's huge. It's in LA, remember? Literally. Shaq is huge. Huge. It's huge. It's in LA, remember? Shaq is huge. Huge. You got Kobe. You got Bibby, Weber, Vladi, Peja. Fox.

And think about Fox. And all the celebs in the arena. We saw Nicholson, right? In the series, not up this one. This was in Sacramento. That's right. It's in Sacramento. I don't think Jack ever goes. We lose.

Yeah, you're right. He's too cool. I don't think Jack ever goes. We lose. Yeah, you're right. He's too cool. But Phil Jackson was out there. Phil Jackson. Rick Adleman, big coach. Rick Adleman, big coach. What do you think? I think it's got to be an eight of some sort.

Yeah, you're right. It loses some steam because if it's in Staples Center. Sorry, Sac. Sorry, Sac. Mate, let's just go eight flat. I go high on gameplay because this is back and forth. Five lead changes in the fourth. It was some good, awesome basketball.

You got a taste of both kinds of basketball. You got heavy diesel basketball, and then you got spreading them, shred them. And these are like football terms that I'm incorporating into basketball. But they apply. You know? Triangle offense versus corner offense. It was beautiful. Yeah, they were doing like a. But they apply. You know, triangle offense versus corner offense. It was beautiful. Yeah, they were doing like a Princeton, they said.

Yeah, nice passing through the big man at the elbow. Vladi was great. And you don't even know what the offense is going to be because guys are cutting so much. That's what I learned from this episode. And also, he called Vladi and Weber the two best passing big men ever, which I'm like, Jokic, anyone?

Sabonis? Sabonis. But I mean, they were good. They were great. Dude, I remember as a kid watching Lottie. He always had such little swaggy, like, no looks. Like, you know what I mean? He was great.

He came up with those all the time. Rookie was a rookie with the Lakers, by the way. Yeah. He started with Magic Johnson. Magic Johnson toughened his ass. Like, you know it's crazy when you're coming from Yugoslavia, and then you're like, shit, I have to play with Magic Johnson. That's toughened his ass. Like, you know it's crazy when you're coming from Yugoslavia and then you're like, shit, I have to play

with Magic Johnson. That's how tough this dude was. Yeah. I wonder if he picked up his smoking habits there in LA. Maybe.

Because back in the 70s it was cool to smoke in LA. Now it's like no one smokes in LA. Eastern Europeans smoke cigarettes like fucking, like it's gum.

They're just, they're always. It's like flossing. It's flossing. Oh, always it's like flossing it's flossing oh dude more than flaw flossing's rare you don't floss a lot i floss but not like a cigarette it's like i don't floss 20 times a day you know gameplay i think we got to go like eight eight eight nine it's a great game yeah i mean even nine it's not crazy because it's no what do you think oh i think eight eight definitely deserves to be up in the eight, eight, eight, or nine region. All right. Eight, eight.

Big shot, baby. It's not a great... It's not an iconic name. Like, we've done 18 wins. If they would have won the series, it would have been a great name. So what is it? Like a four, eight, five? Five, five? Five, five.

Yeah, let's give it a five, five. It is pretty bad. And it's also, I think, his coolest moment. And he's kind of an underappreciated guy. Very underappreciated. Where he really was like, fans know how smooth he was. Yeah, it just sucks for a lot of players like Mike Bibby that don't get a championship,

which almost means they don't get the recognition they deserve. I mean mean you look at it you're like is he that different than if he gets a if he gets a ring he's all it's it's possible they go to the championship it's not crazy the way he's playing for him to be a finals MVP I know Weber's our best player but it's possible yeah the finals MVP and then do we talk about Bibby like he's Chauncey Billups? Well, and then also, if they go on beat the Lakers, Lakers blow up, do they repeat? Yeah, you got to run it back.

You got Shaq and Kobe's, although... No, I'm saying Shaq and Kobe blow up after they lose... Oh, after they lost to the Pistons to Chauncey Billups, who was the finals MVP. You know what I mean? They blow it up.

But that was... I think that was a couple extra years of Kobe being like, I work out harder than you. You're fat, Sha MVP. You know what I mean? They blow it up. But that was, I think that was a couple extra years of Kobe being like, I work out harder than you. You're a fat shack. You know? I get it. 7-7.

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