Games with Names - “2004 ALCS: Game 4” with David Ortiz | Red Sox vs. Yankees

Episode Date: February 15, 2023

On today’s episode, we’re reliving the legendary Game 4 of the 2004 ALCS and the series as a whole. We go back to the world of pop culture in October of 2004 (9:35). We revisit the 2004 MLB season and breakdown the Red Sox/Yankees rivalry (14:43). Big Papi joins the show to talk ball and take us inside that legendary comeback of a series (38:03). Jules & Sam break down the legacy of this one and give it a score (1:19:27).  Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The curse of the Big Bambino is alive and well. Bottom of the 12th, tied 4-4 with a 2-1 count. The ball cracks off David O. T.'s back. Deep to right field. It's going. It's going. This is the 2004 ALCS. Hello, and welcome to Games with Names presented by Winbet. I'm Julian Edelman. I'm Sam Morrell.

We're on the search to find the greatest game of all time. This one is certainly not it, I have to tell you. I think this is a great game. I almost didn't show up. What game is this? I almost didn't show up. What is this game? It's the 2004 ALCS Red Sox-Yankees.

We're talking game four. They were down 3-0. This is the game that kept them alive. God damn it. It was in Boston. We're going to be joined by David Ortiz later. I don't like Ortiz, but I respect Ortiz. He is a likable player. We're going to be joined by David Ortiz later. I don't like Ortiz, but I respect Ortiz.

He is a likable player. He is a postseason clutch as they come type of guy. We'll talk about what's going on in the world in October in 2004. We'll take a look back at both of these teams in the series as a whole, and we'll wrap it up by naming and scoring the game. This is a tough one for me. I remember this closely. I do too.

I was on the West coast. I was, we were 18 right here. Yeah. 17, 18. Yeah. And this was kind of my introduction.

Really? We were barely legal. Both of us. Barely, but legal. Barely. Barely. There was, there was grass in the field.

So let's play ball. That, and if there's not, you roll around playing them. I'm just joking. Just an's play ball. And if there's not, you roll around playing the ball. I'm just joking. Just an inside fun joke. Yeah, inside fun joke. This series pissed me off. It was tough because Yankees fans were, I have to admit, we were spoiled rotten in the 90s. We had four, we won what? Four and five years. It was something insane. It was 96, 98, 99, 2000.

So I was aware, obviously, of the curse of the Bambino. The Red Sox fans were struggling. They won in Boston. They won in other, I mean, in, you know, the Celtics are a dominant franchise, but baseball is different. It was very different. And like I was saying, this is my introduction, really,

to the Boston-New York rivalry. This nationwide was huge because, you know, we always talk about back in these days, we could only get the broadcast of your really local teams. And this was just such a huge game because everyone knew the curse of the great Bambino, Babe Ruth trade, goes to the Yankees. And everyone, you know, on goes to the Yankees, and everyone on the West Coast didn't really, we hated the Yankees because they were always winning. They were the cream of the crop.

They were everything. It seemed like every year they were winning World Series. And so I used to hate the Yankees. And that was a scrappy team. I mean, the 96 team that won it, you think the Yankees is buying up players now, but a lot of those dudes were like, we drafted Jeter, we drafted Mariano, Paul O'Neill we traded for,

Bernie we drafted, Andy Pettit. You know, it felt more homegrown. So it was a great time to get into the Yankees. My grandfather was a Yankees fan. I'd sit on his lap and watch the games as a little kid. My intro is Don Mattingly, who's like one of the coolest athletes ever. They had Wade Boggs, all these mustachioed gentlemen just swiping the ball. Such a cool team, but I admit we were spoiled.

I have to say, as a rugged, tough guy, I didn't know the aura between this rivalry. And I just always saw the Yankees were clean-cut guys and they're pinstripes. And then you saw the Boston people, just tough, dirty, muddy. Johnny Damon with his beard. You got the captain behind the plate, Veritech. You got Big Poppy behind the plate, Veritech. You got big poppy hitting dingers. And it was just, for me, as someone that wasn't in this rivalry quite yet, I just felt like I was connected to Boston from the very beginning.

I understand it. They were the underdog. I have to remove my bias here and talk about this as just a pure sports fan. And I'm a Yankees fan, but that Red Sox team, it was meant to be. I've never seen, I mean, 3-0 had never happened in baseball history. Ever.

I didn't think it was. Gotta believe. I was, but I'll tell you, I got nervous. I didn't, I just. No, you didn't. I was nervous. You were not nervous after game four. You were like, I will.

I thought once we, once they won this game, I was like, fuck. I didn't think, I thought the Yankees would put it away, but you know. The momentum. The Red Sox are playing with house money because when you're down 3-0, no one expects you to win. So I was a little nervous. When the pressure is in a weird way off,

you can really just play your best baseball and that's what they did. And they had, I mean, Jeter was as clutch clutch as they come but for one swing to end a game no one was more clutch than david ortiz they just weren't it i mean the series before against the twins in game seven hits a a walk-off homer his former team he was he was a twin what did you call him he was a a dented can aisle guy. A dented can aisle guy. He was damaged goods, and they got him.

What was his name? Back then, he was going by David Arias. Arias? I think it was his mom's last name, and there was a whole switch. Let me look into it here. Yeah, geez. Respect to mom, but when he got to Ortiz, it was like a whole different guy. David Arias doesn't sound as cool as Ortiz, just because now that's what we know him as and i i love this yankee team that's what was tough for me is like

dude they had my guy pasada i loved pasada he was i love catchers and then on your and the red socks they had veritech captain tough guy he led the team flag carrier the team he had a little was pd on here pedroia not yet this had a little... Was Petey on here? Pedroia? Not yet? This is a little... This is pre-Petey. Johnny Damon. Yeah, hated him.

Kurt Schilling with the bloody sock game. Fucking hated Schilling. I'm glad he's broke. Piece of shit. Yeah. Fuck that dumb video game investing motherfucker. He'll always have the bloody sock on us, but that's all he'll have. What if that video game was like fortnite we'd all he'd be laughing at the bank right now his investment skills were not as clutch as his post-season skills that's for sure and did we

do we was it real blood i you know he had the blood or was that like ketchup or something i heard there's like some conspiracy what what's going on what was it jack there are a lot of truthers out there that think it's you know ketchup something else but i mean everything is said blood from the sutures and the stitches how do you bleed from your from your leg like that was his foot what was it let me hit web md real quick i'll hit that up how about uh i mean yeah that red sox team was tough i mean mean, Manny Ramirez. I remember SportsCenter every night. Manny being Manny. Shut the fuck up.

There's so many good stories about, you know, Manny Ramirez in that locker room and just his antics. You know, when I would go to Fenway, they'd always take me in the little back area. Remember he used to go in the back, the green wall? He would go in the green wall to take a piss. I heard a lot of times you'd go like- To pee in there? Yeah. I think he would go pee in the back the green wall he would go in the green wall to take a pit i heard a lot of times you go in there yeah he i think he would go pee in there or something a lot of times i heard he was just eating a hot dog you know some of these guys would you like in between their hits

they'd go play video games like the red sox just had a coolness maybe that's how chris shilling did himself in in between hits he was playing video games he's like this will be my calling it could have been he lost everything every this this was a tough team they had Pedro obviously Pedro in his prime I think Pedro is the most unhittable pitcher I've ever seen I I've never seen a pitcher like that in my life who'd he toss around in the in the fight Don Zimmer Don Zimmer he threw an old man that wasn't that wasn't cool a fight broke out We got to pull the picture up. Don Zimmer, he was like pushing 80 and congrats, you body slammed

a senior citizen. Sam, you get in the Lions, Dan. You might get eaten by a lion, buddy. He did. He got eaten up fully. That was the kind of guy Pager was. Just a tough guy. Look at him. Look at it. That's not cool. That's disrespectful. Big slam. It was on the cover of the newspaper it was so

disrespectful new york newspapers had old man zimmer laid out why don't you beat up hans zimmer while you're at it too why don't you beat up every old person hans zimmer's awesome oh he's the best good good focus music oh the best you do a little hans zimmer score to get in the zone? Oh, that's what I do. That's what I used to play pregame. One of the goats. Yeah, I'd play like the Inception soundtrack or the Interstellar soundtrack.

Great soundtracks. He even had like some of the 90s hits. He had a bunch of those. Like you didn't even realize. There was just so many great tracks by him. That's what takes a movie from like an eight to a ten is the music for me is huge so even seven to ten i mean like you know danny elfman the other one fucking simpson song midnight run everything everything well let's go back to october 17 2004 the number one movie was the grudge never saw this when was it was a grudge

what is a grudge that was that horror movie where the girl crawled out of the TV. You remember that? No, that's The Ring. That's The Ring. Hold on. Jack. Are we correcting Jack today? What?

Are we this locked in? Do you listen to Zimmer right before this? Because we're fucking locked in right now. Locked in. Hold on. The Grudge. Number one song in America. My Happy Ending by Avril Lavigne.

I remember her. Yeah. Skater. Is she the reason for boy being spelled B-O-I to this day? Is fuck boy, does that come from skater boy, the spelling? I always thought it was big boy from Outkast. Ooh, that's true. He did precede her.

I'm back, baby. Around this time, OG Martha Stewart went to jail, didn't rat on anyone, became best friends with Snoop because of it. What a stud. That was insane. Martha Stewart's in jail?

She was on everything, on every egg beater, to bread maker, you know, egg beater to bread maker to recipe to probably cooking great meals in the pen. I bet she made some damn good prison wine. I bet you she was like a cool inmate. I bet. Like, you know what I mean? Like she was, I bet you she, a lot of people came to her for things.

No one wants to beat up Martha Stewart. I don't think. You want to befriend Martha Stewart. I bet you she was probably, she could probably make an insane shank. She's also still kind of hot. Have you seen her recently? I saw her. She's like 75 and still kind of hot.

I saw her. Am I wrong? She aged well, very well. Not your type? I thought she- If no one just goes along with me, everyone's just like, you're a perv. Oh, I like it. 81.

You're into it? 81? Would you still hit it, Jack? A hundred percent. Hell yeah, dude. Airbrush, I don't give a fuck. Hey, man. If there's grass in the field, that's what we're calling this episode.

Jeez. Damn. Dude, Martha Stewart goes to jail, friends and sex in the city end. Terrible month for white people. Just a tough time all around. Facebook was founded. Yeah. Just a tough time all around. Facebook was founded. Damn, that's... I remember that, like, because I was in the Bay Area,

and we all had the MySpace, and, like, Harvard had the Facebook, and then it went to Stanford, and then by that time, like, you had to be in college to get it, like, you had to have the EDU email to get the whatever, to be able to have a membership. Holy shit a dumb business model i know i mean it worked out but i'm just saying at the time they it only worked because they changed it but it was it was because it was cool as justin timberlake would say in the social network you know it's you got to keep it cool didn't he say

that something like that loved it uh ben affleck and J-Lo ended their engagement. Wow. But they're back. Just hit the Taliban. They are back. Is the Taliban back? They're back, dude. When did they?

Are they? Is there reports? Jack. Let me look into that real quick. Don't want to end up on a watch list. What isn't it called? Like Ben, Ben L low or what was it benifer benifer benifer so they uh that was like the start of every couple doing like a one name

thing that's right and that's like oh i'm so benifer i was like yeah i was i had a couple yeah what was yours no i don't remember but i don't want to you want to throw names i don't want to throw names out there yeah ben don't want to throw names out there. Yeah, Ben Affleck and J-Lo. And this was, look, this is pure Boston. A lot of this is pure Boston. Facebook, Affleck. Ashley Simpson was caught lip syncing on SNL.

And yeah, that was, she did not come back from that, I don't think. And also, by the way. Was that the end? Because of this? No. I mean, I don't think she had a ton of juice. I think SNL was kind of like, she was one of the people. Who was excited for musical guest Ashley Simpson?

They got like Paul McCartney on SNL. Yeah, but they always had new, like. They had new people, but was she anyone that people were excited for? Yeah, she was the young one, right? She's young. She's not a. She was like the more like kind of outrageous Jessica Simpson, Ipson i think yeah but she had a good song that was like the i think it was like the start for like one of those uh the hills or uh one of those shows

this time i think so she had she had one song i was ashley simpson fan this was right around like the newlyweds time also huh remember newlyweds was on mtv with nick lachey oh yeah you know that yeah kind of a simpson era there it was a simpson era yeah you probably want to take this one this guy the goat rodney dangerfield passed away we throw the word the goat around a lot but i mean rodney was the greatest back to school still probably my number one comedy ever. I'll tell you. Good teacher really seems to care. I mean, classic. I love Rodney. ODB died too.

I mean, talk about a warmup song for, I like it. Oh baby, I like it raw. Wu-Tang rules. Love Wu-Tang. And he did like it raw for sure. He's got like 13 kids, right? Wu-Tang is for the children.

Yeah. MLB in 2004. The best records were the Yankees at 101 and 61 and the Cardinals 105 and 57. MVPs were

Vlad Guerrero and old Barry Bonds. This was a great baseball era. This was baseball. Those names. Vlad Guerrero was awesome. Vlad was good. Bonds. This was a great baseball era. This was the best. Vlad Guerrero was awesome.

Vlad was good. Bonds was good. Yeah. Clemens was the Cy Young winner. In Houston. Johan Santana. Minnesota was another Cy Young winner. I love that Johan Santana and Pedro were both top of the game right here,

and then they both become Mets as they were slightly washed. Yeah. You know? right here and then they both become Mets as they were like slightly washed yeah you know well Santana wasn't like washed immediately but he he was he was getting there he yeah I don't I don't know I don't gotta I gotta see Santana I forgot oh he was nasty yeah he had like a two ERA he was like a lefty who just would overpower you he was he a killer. Let me see. Oh, yeah. There he is. Yeah. Randy Johnson. I loved Randy Johnson. He was on the Diamondbacks at this time.

17th perfect game in MLB history. Yeah. It was always fun to watch him. Oh, this was, I mean, this was probably my favorite baseball era. I mean, Ken Griffey hits his 500th home run. Ichiro broke the single season hits record. Who didn't love Ichiro at 262? I mean, the fact that Ichiro started in MLB at like 28

and still hit 3,000 hits is the most insane. I think he played until like 50. He just retired. But he was like already a Hall of Fame guy in Japan. I mean, he was apparently pictures of his dick in Japan go for insane money. Really? That could be a good buddy Japan go for insane money. Really? That could be a good buddy comedy for us to explore.

Really? Just two dudes trying to snap a picture of Ichiro's dick. Why? Like one of our moms gets sick and we're like, we need money. And then we try to get a picture. I've never heard that. Look it up, Jack. Maybe I made that up.

If I made that up, I'm going to, this could be like a real Sam Creeper episode. I'm worried. The Martha Stewart and the Ichiro penis comment. It's all right. But this was the year of the walk-off 80 walk-off homers dingers in the regular season all-time high at this point oh sam yeah i'm gonna save you here yeah there's according to paul laduca fairly reasonable source there was a million dollar bounty to recover the picture of Ichiro's penis. What'd I tell you? A million dollar bounty.

It's a million dollar dong right there. They should, I feel like we can come up with like a script, like a national treasure script. You know what I mean?

We gotta go, like go hunt this thing down, go to a couple, it'd be fun. That'd be a fun one. In Japan, national treasure meets Japan

meets Ichiro's dick. That's what you say in a pitch meeting. That's it. This isapan national treasure meets japan meets ichiro's dick that's so that's what you say in the pitch meeting that's it this is basically national treasure with ichiro who everyone loves you'll get a lot of people in japan and then and it ends with us like handing him an envelope and he's like thank you and we'll give nick cage this he's he's loosely affiliated he's i think he's the lead he's gotta be nick cage so Have you seen the movie Pig with Nicolas Cage? I tried to watch it. Did you watch his new one?

His new one. I liked it. It was pretty funny. I watched it on a plane. Yeah, me too. It's a good plane movie. I didn't get through it all, but I was like, it's still pretty entertaining. That's a tough review.

I couldn't finish it. I fell asleep. I was on a plane. I sleep on the plane. Do you? I can't sleep on planes I fell asleep. I was on a plane. I sleep on the plane. Do you? I can't sleep on planes. That's where I get, it's like my,

I love sleeping on a plane. Cause it back in when I was playing, you'd be preparing all week. And some of your only downtime was when you were flying. And as soon as I get in the plane, I would just knock out. Who do you sit next to on the planes? I have,

we'd have our own rows, but Matthew Slater would be in front of me. Dola would be behind me. Brandon bolden would be two behind me gronk would have the middle section right to the right of me uh that's fun but was it hard is the energy like do they fuck with you ever when you're trying to sleep any of those no not pre-game pre-game you know everyone's pretty focused after you know a big win or something, that's when the shenanigans start going. Was Gronk teabagging postgame? No, Gronk was actually, he was, he wasn't. He wasn't teabagging.

There'd be other guys that were messing around, but Gronk was always like, like just, yeah, let's go, dude. Yeah, we got to win. Let's get back, man. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. I love it. Those were some of the funnest times.

But let's talk about this matchup. Or go back up. What were we doing in 2004? I was at Game 7, unfortunately. A friend somehow got tickets. He took me. I wasn't confident. I didn't want to go to the game.

I think Kevin Brown started. I had no confidence in Kevin Brown. He was like, pretty sure he got injured opening a DVD at one point. I was like, this guy's prime is way past him. Didn't Johnny Damon hit a grand salami? Yeah, that was pretty much like, and then Damon became a Yankee. Yeah, I know. Wasn't as cool when he shaved.

I will say Damon. Damon was a good player. Oh, my God. He was such a pure baseball guy. He was so patient at the plate. He was incredible. If you needed a double, he was going to get you a double. It seemed like he always hit the gaps. He always got that double oppo or something.

And he had the kick swing, too, which I loved. Yeah. I loved him. I loved him. But he just looked a little weird without the beard. Did he win one with you guys? Yeah, he won one, I think, with us. Jeez.

Didn't he? Didn't he take one with us? Let me take a joke. I think 2010. I think he was the first to have a Boston Red Sox and Yankees. I remember that. SportsCenter, we would watch SportsCenter this time. It was all the time.

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It worked out for him. He won an 0-9 with the Yankees. 0 Sox. It worked out for him. He won an 0-9 with the Yankees. Have you guys seen him lately? He's on Below Deck like three different times. He's what? He's a guest on Below Deck. And his family on Bravo. Swing and a miss. We're supposed to know what Below Deck

on Bravo is? You look at us. Yes. I like a couple Bravo shows. I thought this was a Bravo Boy podcast. I like Bravo. What are these shows on Bravo? Isn't it? What is that? There's the model one on there. Wasn't that on there?

And then I used to like the little, wasn't there a little people on there? What is it? A little people big world? Yeah. Yeah, that was TLC.

That was TLC. What else is there? No, it wasn't Summer House. There's been a couple Bravos. My mom watches it a lot. So whenever I'm with her. I'll tell Angie next time I see her. Thanks.

It's a fun fact. How about Johnny David? I will, yeah. Let's talk about this matchup. 96 and 84, the Red Sox, coached by Terry Francona. Underdogs. They were underdogs. And it was his first year, and the GM was a young boy genius named Theo Epstein.

Moneyball. Moneyball fucking rules. That's a great movie. That's a great movie. Too bad Theo Epstein looks nothing like Brad Pitt. Yeah, it is too bad. You know, I mean, that's just the most handsome guy in the world as this manager. But you know what?

He was that cool that they got Brad Pitt to play him. So if anything, no. That's right. He was Billy Bean. Are we dumb as shit? Why do we both think that? Yeah. Billy Bean was a pretty hot guy. Right. But he, Billy Bean turned down the big money and then they got Epstein. That's right. Wow. We've really got facts. Yeah. We got cocky there, dude. I really just rolled with what you said there. Yeah. Sorry. No, I mean, I was with you. Sorry, Billy Bean. Billy Bean was a hot piece. Wasn't factually yeah we got cocky there dude i really just rolled with what you said there yeah sorry

no i mean i i was with you sorry billy bean billy bean was a hot piece wasn't he yeah would you jack yeah um boy genius uh they had manny ramirez who was an all-star. Pedro Ortiz, all-star. Pedro. Pedro. Johnny Damon, Veritech. Cap. Kevin Millar. Timmy Wakefield with the knuckler. This was a good team.

Man. Yeah. Nomar battled an Achilles injury all year, kept him out of games, and at the deadline, he was traded to the Cubs. That hurt. I remember that had to hurt for him. Dude, he was Mr. Boston. Mr. No-Ma-Ga-Si-Pa.

Ayo, you know-ma. Hey, no-ma! I mean, that was, he was that, he was there, and it was like weird too because I remember when he came in the league,

it was like Jeter, A-Rod, and No-Mar. Those were like the guys. They all came in the same year. They were all shortstops. They were all stars. It was this crazy era. And then A-Rod joins Jeter, goes to third base, and Nomar's gone.

So they could all have been in this game. Yeah, Miguel Tejada was in that era too. He was excellent. Tejada. He was great. Yeah. Road to the World Series for the Red Sox. They swept the Angels.

That was Yankees, right? Yankees right yankees oh no that's the sorry the red socks you're right wait a minute yeah they swept the angels they beat the yankees 4-3 and they and then they swept the cardinal it was at a walkout then i then earlier in the episode was that i messed up then i thought there was a game seven between the twins. Or was that the year before? That was the year before. Oh, that's what it was. Ortiz on that one? Yeah. He hit a dinger against the twins.

Fully messed this up. But we're calling ourselves on it, though. And that's what it's all about, man. Yeah. I mean, we lost to the... I think Ortiz's walk-off was against the Oakland A's in 03 ALDS. Then we ended up losing, we, the Red Sox, ended up losing to the Yankees in the ALCS.

Was that the Aaron Boone walk-off? Yeah. Boom. Grady Little leaving Pedro in. You know, I will say they sweep the Angels, they beat the Yankees 4-3, and they sweep the Cardinals. Like, this was the World Series. Like, you just knew it in the moment.

Even for the Boston people, that was the World Series, just to, you know, overcome the Yankees, who had their number for probably 20, 25 years, and not even including the curse of the great Bambino. It seemed like, you know, the Yankees were knocking them out every year. It was pretty cool how often the Yankees knocked them out. But hey, man, I remember when they lost, I was kind of, you saw the faces in the stadium

and you saw these old people who were sharing that with their kids. And I was like, man, that is the cool thing about sports. You know, even as a Yankees fan, I could appreciate that, you know? Did you stay the whole game, game seven? Yeah, I think. I think you had, maybe I walked out.

I don't know. It was a blowout. Blowout eight two, I believe. Yeah, i think you had maybe i'd walk that i don't know it was a blowout blow out eight two i believe yeah i think you just always believe in the playoffs i just can't i can't bring myself to leave a playoff game early i just can't i mean that was 20 years ago 20 20 yeah 20 20 years ago now i mean nowadays fans are out yeah Yeah. See ya, Chuck and Deuces. Yeah. I kept thinking, like, man, how funny would it be if they blew it after all this? But wasn't that funny? Kevin Brown really bitched out.

I remember being like, Kevin Brown in his prime was unhittable, and then we get him, and he just was always hurt, I felt like. Yeah. The whole cowboy up was the rallying cry for the Red Sox started by Kevin Miller uh in the clubhouse a ton of characters Johnny Damon and Kevin Miller dubbed as the idiots pretty good nickname they took shots at Mama... Juana? Mama Juana. What is that? Rum?

They took shots of it. That sounds like performance enhancing drugs and it sounds like this series shouldn't count. Just a little bit of alcohol can sway a series. Grandpa's old cough medicine ain't on the list, buddy. And Pedro brought Dominican actor and little person Nelson de la Rosa into the series brought look at that he stood two foot four inches I think I remember this too Hasbulla before Hasbulla damn Damn, look how tiny he is. Look at Pedro.

See, what an outstanding, you know, Samaritan. Yankees were 101 and 61, first in the AL East, managed by the great, great Joe Torre. You always respect Joe Torre. You got to tip your cap to him. Pure class. And we had A-Rod, who was an all-star, Jeter, all-star, Jeter, all-star.

Mariano, all-star. Gary Sheffield, the waving bat, all-star. Giambi, all-star. Where was Sheffield before Mariners? He was on the Marlins for a minute. Marlins. Who was he before the Yankees, though? Was it just Marlins?

He won a World Series. Was Tigers after? Tigers after, I believe. Because I used to like Sheff. He was always super. Oh, he's on the Braves. He's on the Braves. He was great. We also had Bernie on this team, Mike Mussina.

Wow, we also had Matsui was an all-star this year. Tom Gordon all-star, the great Jorge Posada. Kenny Lofton? Javier Vasquez. Oh, yeah, Kenny Lofton, whose son is in the NBA right now. Wow. And he's kind of a thick kid. It's pretty funny.

He does not look like you'd think. Lofton was a speed demon. Hey, the crazy thing is you never know what you're going to poop out because Jackie Slater, Hall of Fame right tackle, is the father of one of the fastest guys in the NFL, Matthew Slater, for a long time. It's crazy. You never know what you're going to put out. You never know.

Wait, you're talking about Kenneth Lofton Jr., the guy from Louisiana Tech? Yeah. Not related. Really? I don't think so. Fuck. I got to double check, but I don't think so.

Man, we are throwing some bad passes today that you were somehow catching. 6'6", 275, Kenneth Lofton Jr. He's a heavy-set boy. Did you not talk about the stopper? The closer? Mariano Rivera? The greatest closer of all time.

Really? Lights out. 53 saves. We had a play named after him. Did you? Yeah, stopper-wise shoot. Damn. A Boston team with a name after Mariano.

I mean, you got to tip your hat to the Goats. I respected Boston fans a lot the way they did the farewell to Mariano and Jeter. I thought it showed a lot of class, and I was surprised. You know, we got a classy group of people out there. You know, game knows game. Game respects game. I loved Mariano. He was, I mean, when he would come in, you just were like, it's over.

That's why him blowing this hurts. I mean. He's such a lovable guy, too. Oh, yeah. And he didn't really blow this. I mean, he pitched three innings. We got to get him on here because we've done some cross stuff.

Really? Do you know him? Yeah, we know him. What did we do? We did something. I've done a couple things with him, and he's always been just an outstanding gentleman,

a professional, just a professional. He also has a sweet signature. Pull up Mariano's signature. It looks so detailed. You know how hard that is, though? What? Your signature when you get in the league is beautiful, this, that.

But then when you start selling these things, that's an unbelievable signature. That's an unreal signature. You know what I mean? He probably had to do that. He's probably signed that a million times every time like this. So after you start signing a bunch of stuff you gotta you gotta modify evolve he was he was one of the coolest New York athletes of all time like we we love him forever Mariano he was just you know he was everything he was the best closer that cut

fastball so hard to hit no one could it. And you knew he was coming in. You knew it was a save. They beat the Twins. The Yankees did a 3-1 in the LDS. Yankees owned the Twins during this time. They picked a finish first in ALE. I kind of like the Twins, though, because that one kid's movie. Where the kid becomes the manager.

Not Rookie of the Year. That was the Cubs. Which one was that? Little Big League. Little Big League. I don't Cubs. Which one was that? Little Big League. Little Big League. I don't think I saw that one. It's a great one. I remember that it was the Twins in Major League,

back to the minors. The third installment was Scott Bakula and Walton Goggins. Man, I've seen some shitty movies. My guy. Oh, Dennis Farina was in Little Big League. Whoa, classic. Chicago legend. Get shorty, midnight run.

Come on. All right. Get shorty, midnight run. Come on. All right. The Yankees. Oh, the narrative. Oh, they were coming out of a loss of the World Series. That last season, they lost to the Marlins. The Yankees did? We lost to the Marlins?

Did we really? I thought the Marlins won the World Series against the Indians. Did they really? They won two?lins won the World Series against the Indians. Did they really? They won two? Marlins. Sneaky. Sneaky. Marlins man.

Shout out. That guy who's a big fan over there. I don't remember. This is a Marlins man podcast. I think he's worth having on. He's seen some games. Huh? You think Marlins man's worth having on?

He's seen a lot of games. Marlins man is, you know, we'll have to talk it over in the board meeting room, but yeah. There's so many people trying to come on this. We can just throw, you know, Marlins man. I love Marlins man, but I got to see if Sam likes him. He's probably got some shit against him because he beat his Yankees. Fuck that guy, dude.

Fuck Marlins man, dude. Heard it here first. Nah, he's probably all right. I'm just pissed. So Yankees red sox rivalry he actually hates derrick jeter really yeah because derrick jeter was the owner of the marlins for a while right yeah and he fucked shit up i don't know the marlins blow it up every it's they always have something and then just collapse it but this all began when the red

sox sold babe ruth to the yankees in 1919. That's the curse of the Bambino. Since then, the Red Sox pretty much played second fiddle to New York. The bad blood was always there given the proximity and being in the same division. Thurman Munson and Carlton Fisk, the fight and the feud in the 70s, they were the two catchers, right? I mean, it was like Fisk was always a little more talented, but Thurman Munson was

the fucking, he was the captain, baby. That mustache. Kind of like Veritech. Loved it. Heated up in the late seventies, the Bucky Dent game, which yeah, it's just a painful memory for a lot of Red Sox fans. F-ing Dent. Lulled a bit in the eighties because both teams kind of sucked. I guess the Red Sox made those series that one year, but they got fucked over by the Mets. That was the Bay Area's time, baby. Wasn't it? Battle of the Bay?

That's when the Bash Bros and shit, the A's were going crazy. Oh, yeah. Conseco, McGuire. Heated up in the late 90s and the early 2000s with guys like Jeter and Pedro. By 2003, the bad blood was fully back. We talked about the Don Zimmer attack.

It was terrible. Self-defense. He was charging them. An attack that rivals Pearl Harbor in its cowardice. Self-defense. The Yankees would once again break the Sox heart in seven games for a trip to the World Series. And this was, I mean, look, we talked about it.

It was kind of just, it was their time. Down 3-0 to come back in extra innings to stay alive and then win the next three as well. You got to tip your hat to the Red Sox, you do. And even A-Rod, who was terrible this postseason, I believe, had a two-run shot in this game. We had shit firing. Remember when A-Rod came and then you guys didn't win it until like 2009 and everyone was like, it's because of A-Rod.

Fuck, oh, he doesn't get the pinch types. No, he's not a Bronx bomber. Ah, you, ah. He was admittedly... That was a tough New York impression. That does sound like us. I mean, he was,ly that was a tough new york impression that does sound like us i mean he was you know incredible in the regular season and he admittedly he he admits it he disappeared every postseason until the year they won it where he was unreal and matsui of course went off in that world series but uh yeah a rod admits it man he he wasn't good enough in the postseason yeah i just remember

i'm not talking i'm just i'm just talking what i you know from an outsider of you know yankee nation what do you guys call it is it like yankee world yankee i don't know what the yankee yankee fans yeah you know outside the yankees fans i just remember always hearing the Yankees fans saying this guy's ruining our mojo he's no Jeter he didn't make it easy on himself I remember when he fucked Madonna and all the Red Sox fans just hit the Madonna mask I'm like you can't tee it up like that you know but it is pretty impressive that he's he's fucking pop legends and hitting 50 homers a year I know he didn't deliver in the postseason, but he did eventually. Guy has had a good life. He's had a great life. We love A-Rod in New York

now. I think he really, you know, he went through a lot. The starting pitchers of this game were Orlando, El Duque Hernandez, one of those Cuban pitchers paid for the Imperiales in Cuba. His brothers were a great pitcher. Levon for the Marlins

and he was one of those Cuban guys where you're like I don't know if this guy's 22 or 97 like you did not know his real age it was like

and then Derek Lowe for the Red Sox who was he was great for you guys you know did very well did very well keep it going Sam

this is you the Red Sox answered with a three run fifth inning to take the lead the Yankees to take the lead. The Yankees retook the lead 4-3 in the sixth.

I thought it was over because we brought in Mariano. Got to believe. Then in the ninth, this is the play that really won it. Dave Roberts safe by an eyelash, stealing second. Posada with a good throw, but just barely not in time. That was a pinch run, right? That was great by Terry Francona. That's good managing. Knocked home

on a Bill Miller single. Game won an extra innings. Big poppy. It's a two run walk off in the bottom of the 12th. It was pure plush. Nobody fuck with Boston. That's what he said? Don't fuck with Boston. This is our fucking city. It's our fucking

city. That was a cool moment too. Look, he was our fucking city it's our fucking city that was a cool moment too look he was bigger than just an athlete in boston he was a he was a boston legend still is final score 6-4 boston and they won the series as we all know the gaming corner presented by win bet the prop bet i wonder if i can get ortiz to admit that Pedro shoving Zimmer was an act of cowardice. If we can get him to admit that, is that something? Let's do it. Yeah. But this is a bet on me versus Sam.

This isn't a prop bet because I'll try to say that it was like self-defense. Yeah. Whoever he agrees with. This is a good bet. This is both. This is this is he's like the judge. And we're, you know, plaintiff defendant. All right.

I object, your honor. Before we hear from David Ortiz, let's take a quick break. We got to thank you for joining Games with Names presented by Wim Bet. And we got to give you your flowers. He's number 34, but he's number one. I'm always giving you flowers, Big Papi. Ten-time All-Star, seven-time Silver Slugger, Boston Icon, three-time World Series champion.

This was the first one we're covering today. Mr. Clutch. One of the most clutch athletes. It pained me how clutch he was. You knew if he was coming up, if he was coming up in the playoffs, I was like, fuck. You see him on deck and you'd just be like, oh, Big Papi's coming up. And his stats, the ALCS, 31 at-bats, 12 hits, 3 dingers, 11 RBIs,

a.457 on-base percentage, and a.387 average. Just smoked the Yankees for one of the most iconic comebacks from one comeback guy to another thank you once again big poppy my older brother for joining us here man you got to take us back to 2004 going into this series what was what was big poppy all about 2004 hey man first first of all uh you know i'm a big fan of yours brother you know that you you made me uh happy so many times i had to see you running the balls man i i i was like this motherfucker must be the guy with the biggest ball on earth because he ain't that big and he run through everybody like he's King Kong.

Man, like I say, like I always admire you because you left your heart and soul in that field. And for us Patriot fans, man, that means a lot. And based on what you just told me, I feel you. I feel you because I feel exactly the same way about yourself. And going back to the 2004 playoff and World Series, you know, like, I'm working for Fox now, and I'm doing the playoff and stuff like that.

And, like, I've stuff like that. And, uh, like I've been doing that for years, but I got excited twice while I've been working on TV. And it was once where it was, uh, uh, one Soto.

And I bet that he have a couple of years ago in the World Series against my boy Justin Verlander. And Justin Verlander threw a high fastball. And you see how they put the square and the strike zone during the game? The ball was about an inch above the strike zone. And the umpire went ball, and I saw one sort of young ass basically telling the catcher, bring it down a little, and I'll show you.

It's a stride or not. Same pitch, an inch down. He hit that ball to the back wall, like over all the fans. I was like, damn, that's some gangster shit. And then the other day, my boy Bryce Harper hitting the home run against San Diego just to finish them. That was some gangster shit, too.

So what I'm trying to tell you is you don't leave that memory, those memories, so much nowadays for many reasons. But one of them I don't think – I think there's – the talent is there. There's a lot of youngs that in the game right now with incredible talent. They haven't burned roads yet. They haven't burned roads yet. They haven't burned bridges yet. For you to get to be at that level, you have to burn bridges. You have to have experience. You have to know, like in my days, to play in the big league,

there's no way you can stay in the big league hitting 200. No fucking way. I got to ask you. I know everything is. I'm sorry. I was going to ask you. I know everything is. Uh-huh. Oh, sorry. I was going to ask you. I mean, you talk about like burning bridges and like kind of finding yourself.

Did you, is there something that maybe you learned playing in Minnesota that you took with you to Boston? Oh, man. I learned pretty much everything over there. Like, I mean, and it probably was the best thing that happened to me because I always had the talent to hit. You know, the thing is that I was in the wrong crowd since, like, because when I first got to Minnesota, they basically want me to be a punching duty, to be honest with you. The way they teach, they want to teach me how to do things.

It wasn't lined up with the thing that I was capable of. Like I was coming through the minor league, hitting 30 bombs, hitting over 300, getting all kinds of RBIs and shit. Like in the minor league, if you look at my number in the minor league, I show what my career was going to be like. And then I get to Minnesota and everything kind of changed. They want me to hit the ball opposite field. You know, and there's nothing wrong with that. It's just, you know, I'm a power hitter.

You need to give me the freedom to swing. Because that's what they do with kids nowadays. And it's not like I totally agree with the way they do kids nowadays. Because they basically want to tell them that striking outs is not such a thing. And to me, when you strike out a hundred times, you're not helping me. That's the way I was teach. You hit 40 homers,

you strike out 200 times, you miss at least a hundred opportunities to help me out. Not everyone's big poppy. Not everyone's big poppy. Not everyone can just go up there and fucking hit home runs, all right? That's what the world needs to know.

Okay? Not everyone just hits dingers and fucking walk-offs like poppy. There needs to be some doubles. There need to be some singles, okay? You know what I'm saying? I mean, and even myself, that he over 500 homers in the big league, very few times I went to the play hitting the home, And even myself, that he over 500 homers in the big league. Very few times I went to the play thinking about hitting a home run,

and it happened. Very few times. You're preaching to the choir. What I'm going to tell you is. I used to just, hey, I was like a doubles guy. I just converted third downs, okay? The homers were Gronk. Gronk hit the homers. In the red area area he is getting the touchdowns i'm getting that yes now you have the punch and judy trying

to be homer that's what they get to be pitched so uh he gets a little complicated sometimes when it comes down to it that's why you're gonna see so many strikeout that's why you're gonna see so many low batting average it It's crazy. It's crazy. David, I got to ask you, how strong was the hatred between the Yankees and the Red Sox? Do you think about, you know, the July 2004 A-Rod and Veritech brawl? You think about the Pedro throwing Don Zimmer to the ground, which, you know, many have called an act of cowardice.

I call it self-defense. The guy was going into the Lions then. You can't come in the Lions and den and not expect not to get bit. Nah, yeah. What you think about that? Even Mr. Zimmerman, Chris and P's. R.I.P. That was one of my guys.

He know that he make a mistake doing that. He apologized afterward later on, you know. I would argue that Pedro made the mistake. That was an old man he threw. Hey. No, but you know what though? It doesn't matter how old you are, you don't cross the line, brother.

Don't cross the line. You don't cross the line. Don't cross the line. You win. You don't cross. You know there are fireworks going on. Don't light another one. Do not.

It's not gonna end up being good. Did you guys hate each other? You know what I'm saying? You and the Yankees, did you hate each other this time? No, no, no. You know, better fact, in my era was when everything come down to be what it is nowadays. You don't see that many brawls.

You don't see that many fights. I was in, I basically started that up because my game wasn't about hitting anyone. My hand was about beating you. I don't fucking play for the, I don't work for the WWF to be fucking swinging at people out there and fucking doing it. No, no, no, no, no. That's not baseball. Not baseball. You don't, you don't send the right message when you do that to the kids watching.

In football, yeah, you whoop ass and you get your ass beat. That's the game. It's contact. It's aggressive. That's part of football. WWF, yes. But in baseball, it's who is better than who. You know what I'm saying?

All games come down to it. But in baseball, the contact part of is very limited and and and now all this rule and stuff you know because you don't want to you don't want to get into a bra all of a sudden a guy making 30 million missed three months based on getting injury because of it. You know that our salary, our contract is guaranteed, but we have an insurance company right behind it. So if a guy get injured because of a fight, the insurance company have to take over the contract, and the insurance company don't like that because we ain't there to fight.

We are there to play the game the way it's supposed to be. Exactly. But I guess insurance companies have emphasized a lot on MLB on that, on having all this rule. Even when they throw a pitch, a pitch close to you nowadays, you get a warning for that. Softened up. It's definitely softened up, Big Papi.

It's more of a competition. I mean, I know they have crossed the line in some of the things, basically changing the nature of the game. Like the sliding thing at second base, just because what happened with Chase Utley a couple of years ago, this and that, you know. I know that was dirty, and there's a better way. But breaking the plate to me is part of the nature of the game.

Taking out the home plate. That's a lot of game. Buster Posey. Lacking the guy on the home plate, cool. That's part of the game. I love that. I did not know this. The catchers know that that is coming.

I did not know this was an insurance issue, though. That's such a bummer for fans to hear when you're like, get him. And they're like, no, no, no. We got an insurance company though that's such a bummer for fans to hear when you're like get him and they're like no no no we got a insurance company might pull it i'm not saying listen let me clarify this i'm not saying that they are changing everything because of it but i think in my mind me thinking in my own bubble i think that that has something to do with. Definitely. I bet it does. Let's, but Big Papi. I'm not saying that,

that I'm 100% sure that's what it is, but me and my own bubble, I think that that has something to do with, because it don't make no sense. It don't make no sense that if I met at you, I can go out there and hit you in the hand, hit you in the head, hit you whatever I feel like it. Because of my emotion that I'm going through,

you go into the DL and it's okay. Not okay. No, it's not. You know what I'm saying? So MLB had to, you know, make sure that those things happen and they're doing a good job based on that. So back in 2003 you lose the

yankees in seven there's been the curse of the great bambino ever since god knows when 13 or whatever 1919 1919 right after the titanic sunk and going into this league you guys it's frank kona's first year you got a fucking clubhouse full of personalities. What made you guys vibe and fucking believe in each other to go out and think this is going to be the team after being down 3-0 to go in and fucking come back and win the series? What makes you, what was that? Man, remember, got a whole bunch of idiots out there that we don't even. It was no fear. It was like, hey, listen, we hit bottom.

There's only one way to go, back up. You know what I'm saying? way to go back up you know saying i i they say that goes like hey it doesn't matter how many times they knock you down what is important how many times you learn how to get up he worked perfectly for us at the time because that's exactly what we do that's exactly what we did back then. I mean, the Yankees have a fucking, they have a squad that it was like, like, I don't think I ever seen moving forward a team like the Yankees those couple of years, 2003, 2004.

Like, they was bomber. Like, they was really bomber. Like, it was scary. Like, I remember this one game out of those three games that we lost that it was like fireworks. Like, they, they, I mean, one game out of those three games that we lost, that it was like fireworks. Like, they hit. I mean, they never got to first, but it was second, third, and home.

Second, third, and home. Like, they have a team that, wow. And we were able to bounce back. I mean, it was – we had a high confidence level, but we also have good chemistry. We also have good things going on in the clubhouse. We have players like Curt Schilling, White Soul, getting him a surgery in the training room. I saw that with my own eyes. Like when I heard people talking about the bloody sauce and i i heard what people had to say about it i laughed my ass off because i saw the doctor practicing basically just

doing a surgery on him in the in the training room i i saw that nobody told me about i saw it with my own eyes and this dude was out there preaching a couple of days later in the rainy, cold weather. I don't know how the hell he did it. But that was the type of thing that it was in the clubhouse that motivate us to go out there and fucking do it for New England. But we also had the most incredible fan base that basically started building up. Because after the 2003 season, the 2014 was basically sold out. Because we get them hope,

you know what I'm saying? And the fan base, I mean, you know, AD. You know how it's full up in New England. I mean, the fan base over there is incredible, and that was a big part of the motivation that we had to go out there and whoop that ass. David, you're saying Julian knows. Julian came into a team like he was in the second half of a New England dynasty.

You guys hadn't won since 1919. So, you know, baseball, different sport, different fan base. There was this hunger to win. When you're down 3-0, is there a part of you that's like, this Yankees offense is stacked, we're fucked? No.

Or do you believe, like, we're going to win this? They're taking the Mamawana shots. They're taking fucking Mamawana shots. Even if I tell you. That's a good one. Even if I tell you that yes it's not because we beat your ass I'm saying how did you feel in game four

history like the history is rolled down the Red Sox in 2004 bounced back after the 3-0 and whooped the Yankees ass you know what I'm saying? Like, it was

no fear. Yeah, we know we're playing against some bad motherfuckers, you know what I'm saying? But, who cares? You already dead. What's the worst thing that can happen? Can only go up. Were you doing the marijuana shots?

Man, I drink Mammawanna for breakfast. Yo, man, we have an incredible team, man. Really, everybody was just doing something special for us to win it. And that's why what ended up happening. So Dave Roberts steals. We pinch run him. And Millar, he gets the hit. Hits him in.

Take us back. You guys get into extra innings. And then the 12th, Big Papi comes up. We're not thinking about home runs because Big Papi don't think about home runs, but maybe right here Big Papi's thinking home run because Big Papi does home runs in these kinds of situations. What was the preset mind going into this at-bat? Am I ending right here and we're going to fucking get this thing started or what?

No, I basically went back to my history against... It wasn't Gordon. It was after Gordon, whoever was in. Because I know Rivera retired you, I believe, on a pop-up prior to that. Were you like, thank God Rivera's out and we're going deeper into the bullpen? No, if you look at my number, I hit pretty well against Mariano. You did. You know, like Mariano was not a country water back.

And I'm not going to tell you that I enjoy hitting up with him because the only one thing that I like about facing him was that I know that everything was coming hard. You know what I'm saying? And I had to make up my mind. And I had quick hands. Like, I had no problem hitting fastball, you know what I'm saying? But Mariano fastball was not the regular fastball

that you see on the daily basis. It was a cut fastball, cutting fastball. Cutting. So, yeah, I mean, you have to face Mariano Fasbo was not the regular Fasbo that you see on the daily basis. It was a cut Fasbo, cutting Fasbo. Cutting. So, yeah, I mean, you have to face Mariano. What can you do? It was Paul Quantrill. He was not a Fasbo. Paul Quantrill.

It was Paul Quantrill, yeah. Paul Quantrill, who his son is pitching in the big league with Cleveland now. I saw that the other day, and I was very happy about seeing that. But Paul Quantrill, he had the front door fastball. He threw it at you and come back into the play. And I just realized about it. I mean, like, that's what I'm going to look for. And he threw it to me.

But she was a good pitch. Like every single hitter normally give up on that pitch. But he threw it to me so many times that I was like, you know what, fuck it. I'm going to stay on and keep my hands close to my body and try to drive it. And boom. Boom. The rest is history. Jeez.

And at this point, you know, you win the game at 3-1. Did you feel the momentum switch? Was there a moment after this home run where you're like, we're fucking, we're taking this? Not yet. Everything started basically clicking was when we went to New York.

That was when I tell you, even when we went for the third game, our confidence level was pretty high. And I'll tell you what, after we won the third game, we feel like we already won it all. And that's exactly what happened. And then it's because it was,

once you guys beat the Yankees, we don't even have to talk about the fucking world. The World Series was this match. It was, was this, was this series, right? Is that how we felt?

It seems like it. It seems like it. And San Luis know it. San Luis know that we we felt? It seems like it. It seems like it. And St. Louis know it. St. Louis know that we was hotter than a firecracker. They know. They know that we were coming in hot. Well, it's all about coming together at the right time and winning four straight against the

number one team in the AL. Eight straight, because then they went swept. That's right. And you swept the prior series, I believe, too. And then you just steamrolled the NL best team, the Cardinals. When you won in Game 7 against the Yankees, I was at that game in the same hat. And you ripped my heart out, David. As the Johnny Damon who hit the Grand Slam,

I mean, how sweet was that victory? It was great, man. I got, how sweet was that victory? It was great, man. I gotta give it to you, man. The Yankee fans are the only fans that come to me. They're the only fans out of all the teams. The Yankee fans are the only people that come to me and be like, baby Papi, I'm a Yankee fan, but I respect you. Oh, I love you, Papi. You know, people, thank a fan for all I play. I always respect fans

no matter what they were cheering for. You know what I'm saying? I used to go to New York and take my time signing autographs and it doesn't matter who you were cheering for, you know. I was doing that by nature but

people talk to me about it. Like, you know what? I always used to see you. We used to come to New York, take your time with the fans, and this and that. Or when we used to come to Boston, and I would respect that. And plus that, a lot of people tell me when we used to boo you at New York, that was a bad move.

Because you used to just bounce back and whoop our ass. We learned the hard way. So I noticed at some point during my career that the boot wasn't there no more later on. It wasn't the stronger it was at the beginning. And to someone just made that clear for me. And I was like was like oh makes sense you big poppy you were like you know it's it's very similar to how boston fans feel about jeter

he's a likable guy you respect his accolades and i could honestly say this was before i was even with boston and this was like my introduction to Boston, New York that you were, I was on the West coast. I was a little West coast kid. And you fuck, I love big poppy just cause you were a lovable dude that came up when high pressure situations like that's,

that's what they, that's right. You know, that's what people will always respect and remember you by now this game. And this series has been documented and and there's been documentaries fucking books i mean we did the research so you could find anything what tell me something that wasn't documented in all this bullshit i need to hear something good give me something that people don't know about this you know what the game is i i think pretty much is out there everything pretty

much is out there you know why coincidentally the other day i'm in a hotel i'm at the anchor and no bullshit i was i was in uh i was in philadelphia it was in Philadelphia. It was in the Philadelphia, Sandy. I can't really remember. The thing is that I'm coming down in an elevator, and this guy, this Yankee fan, was talking shit about my boy, Adam Judge.

And he's talking to another guy on the elevator, but it was when Adam Judge had like seven strikes out in a row, right? They were booing the shit out of him in New York and this and that. And he's talking to this guy, but he know who I am, and he want me to hear what he have to say. And this is what I told him. I was like, hey, have you ever take a minute to picture the Yankees line up without Aaron Judge next year? And the motherfucker stayed quiet for a minute. And I told him,

you guys, as fans, need to understand that whoever takes that field when I get things done, I never got booed at Fenway Park. And that's why I ride and die with those fans. I know that not everyone brings the same luck. You know what I'm saying? But as special as I was, and I still be for Boston,

I think a guy like Aaron Judge is at that level. But the minute you see that the guy could love, you're going to boo his ass when you know that he's the best player on earth. That says

a lot about you Yankee fans. I'm not booing Aaron Judge. I love Aaron Judge. I love Aaron Judge. Whoever these Yankees fans were. That's not what you see on TV. I hear what you're saying. Aaron Judge, the minute he cooled off,

even during the regular season, he get the biggest boo. And let me tell you, as an athlete, you would take that from the opposition when you go to their place. But when you get that shit at home, bro, not good. I think you're right. And all I heard was that Boston legend David Ortiz says

the best player in the world is Aaron Judge, a New York Yankee. That's what I took from that. Best in the world. I said right now, it's him and Ohtani. But you said Aaron Judge, so we're going to run that. Aaron Judge is the best player in the world. I said right now, it's him and Ohtani. But you said Aaron Judge, so we're going to run that. Aaron Judge is the best player in the world. You better pay him.

Hey, man. Otherwise, he'll be hitting for the Mets next year, or maybe Boston. Don't say that to me, dude. Never know. Aaron Judge better. But you're right. You make a good point. I think New York fans are very tough.

And I think, you know, we saw in the 90s, Patrick Ewing got booed unfairly. I think we got to support our guys. So I'm with you. I think we should be cheering Aaron Judge. You need to know on what part of the crowd you want to be. That's what you need to know. Just like Zimmerman, you can't cross the line. to be. That's what you need to know. That's, that's, that's, that's. Just like Zimmerman, you can't cross the line.

You can't cross the line, bro. You're going to boo the only guy that you are depending on. I mean, come on, man. Come on, man. I'm with you, man. What was your reaction? I know you guys are stupid in New York, but I never thought it was that much. You're dropping wisdom, man. You're right. Bro, you booing your hero. I'm not.

Stop booing your hero, Sam. You know what I'm talking about. No, I know. I'm not the only one at the stadium. Poppy. What was your reaction when Nomar got traded? That hurt. Nomar got traded.

Oh, sad. It seems like he was needed. Even if that's my boy, things change for good. You know, the thing is that you can't have... When he got traded, remember it was in the middle of the season. It won't ended up happening,

we ended up winning the World Series. He has a distraction, and he was creating a distraction. That's what I think. You know what I'm saying? He was chasing his contract, which I got no problem with. But at the same time, we were trying to win a World Series. You know what I'm saying? And it seems like the team wasn't comfortable with what was going on.

They made that move, and it looked like they were right. Don't you think? I mean, it looked pretty damn good after, you know, going down 3-0 and coming back. Yeah, it looked good. The results looked good. And I'll tell you what, they went and get the piece that we really need, a guy who basically came in, played good defense. He wasn't a home run hitter, but he was really good

at moving running over and doing his thing and that helped us to win a World Series. Look, man, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter how good I am. If I don't win, who cares? You guys are talking to me right now because I'm a fucking winner. That's why I love you. You're a winner.

If you don't fucking win, it doesn't matter. Personal number don't matter. Personal number don't fucking matter. What matters is win. You're going to remember every single motherfucker that was in the 2014, 2007, 2013, 2018. Yes, because what?

Guess what happened? Win. We won. No one remembers second place. Heather, man, right there, you know why you're going to remember him? Because he will pass and won. You know how many great baseball players went through the Red Sox that nobody remembers them?

Because guess what? They never won. Simple as that. Simple as that. Simple as that. Speaking of winners, I mean... Winner, winner, chicken dinner, homie. Speaking of winners, you played alongside another winner,

one of the great power hitters of this era, one of the great hitters of this era, Manny Ramirez. Any great Manny stories, anything you learned from him? Oh, I learned a lot of things from Manny. Manny was one of the best hitters I've ever seen in my life

you know but Manny you know he got his own way to do things and that was him great human being good guy hard working motherfucker

man because let me tell you Manny want you to believe that he was lazy wants you to believe that he wasn't into it but numbers don't lie what was he doing in the green monster all the time I just always remember he was always

exactly what's my guy doing he had his own personality man I'm telling you. That was hard to fight. That was hard to fight. But that's exactly how it was. What about Pedro?

What was Pedro like? No, Pedro was more down here, you know. Pedro was more simple. When it comes down to personality, but it just like having fun. But, uh, I, I, I think both of them a lot because I learned, you know, part of myself that I don't know until I started, you know, Washington, Washington, their work addict and the way they go about their business. Now, what was the bigger celebration after the ALCS or the World Series?

The biggest celebration. After you got past the Yankees because you guys knew you were going to win against the Cardinals or? No, no, no, no. We don't know we were going to win against the Cardinals or? No, no, no, no. We don't know we were going to win. I mean, it doesn't matter what I tell you guys right now. You don't know what's going to happen. Baywood is very unpredictable.

Yeah, we went in and we whooped them. Yeah, that's fine. But we know we're playing against a great team. No, you got my boy, Albert Pujol on that team. You got my boy,ujol on that team. You got my boy Molina on that team. And you have, let me see what else I can remember for that ball club. Wayne Wright, that nasty breaking ball. I mean, I can tell you tons of players that were in the ball club

that made them be who they were. You know what I'm saying and and we don't know we we know that we play a great series against the yankees but we don't know that we're gonna turn down to be like that we just went in had enough had us a fight a cracker and and we swept them by you got here now i'm coming any uh any crazy any uh crazy party stories from when you won now? I'm coming. Any crazy... I'm bad in practice. Any crazy party stories from when you won? We was doing the worm in the room. You were doing the worm, Big Papi?

Yeah, you're going to see my big old ass doing the worm in the room. I did a few times and then went, no, no, no, stop. We got another series to go. Stop. Now, Boston's title town. And I remember when anytime you guys won

or the Bruins won or the Celtics won, it like motivated us. Like we had to pull our end of the string. Did you guys ever feel that with the other teams winning? I gotta say that was the best era of sport in New England

those past two decades and it was because it was because of it. It was because of what you just said. Watching you guys win, watching the Celtics win, watching the Bruins win, that was a motivation. It's competition. We had a really good competition going on in town. The guys did it.

Fuck it, let's go at it. You know what I'm saying? I mean, being a New England fan of sport, those two decades had to be like the best time of all time because it was punching coming out from every different organization. You know what I'm saying?

The most important thing, we support each other. You know what I'm saying? When you guys win, we used to go there. You guys used to come to us. We used to go to the Celtics. We used to go to the Bruins. Bruins used to come. It was like a family thing. We used to go to the South D. We used to go to the Bruin. Bruin used to come. It was like a family

thing. I used to love those things. I used to love just having you guys coming over. We going to you guys. I mean, it was a great time, great era. And the most

important thing, it was fun because everybody was winning. It was, I mean, you were such a clutch hitter. Yankees fans hate respected you because you were so good in the postseason. You were great in the regular season too, but not everyone delivers in the postseason. And you did.

Who are other hitters that you think of as just postseason monsters? To be honest with you, I had to go to... Bryce Harper, to me, is one of the most incredible heroes of this new era that I have seen in years.

Like, why he had showed this playoff, bro, it is something that is remarkable. It's something that you don't see every day, especially in this era where hitting is so miserable. Like, I see guys hitting in the big league, and I sometimes tell myself, man, he's not ready to be at this level. You know what I'm saying? And you see guys like him performing the way he is.

It's something that is special, bro. All right, Big Papi. I know you got to bounce right now. Your son's about to take BP? Yeah, he's about to do it. Look over there. That's him about to start hitting. Tell him, you know, if he wants.

I'm going to try another way down here to watch him. If your son wants to play for the Yankees, I'm going to spread the word. No one's going to boo him. We could use some power in the postseason. Hey, hey, listen. You got to earn that. It's not just saying it. you got to earn that. It's not just saying it. You got to earn it, you know?

And that's why I think my boy Aaron Judge earned that. I want it on the record that we love Aaron Judge here. We want him to be Yankee. Hey, listen, I got to meet Aaron Judgekee. Hey, listen. I got to meet Aaron Judge once. Just one time. It didn't take me long to love him. Very, like, he really would represent that organization. But to me, representing the Yankees, he's a Jeter level, personality-wise.

The guys don't show emotion. The guy is totally dedicated to his career. The guy just want to whoop ass. I mean, he's a great teammate. What else do you want? He just went for the record. What else? I mean, if I keep talking, I won't finish.

I mean, the guy have all the talent in the world to be loved by his fans so I just don't think it was right alright we'll let you get going but before you get going can we just hear it one more time it gets me so fired up

what do we say after the Boston bombing what is it this is our fucking city What do we say after the Boston bombing? What is it? This is our fucking city. This is our fucking city. And nobody pay our freedom. And this is our fucking city. It was an epic look, man. New Yorkers were Bostonians that day.

We felt it too. That was badass. We love you, man. I appreciate you coming on. And I can't wait to see your son. I can't wait to see the genes get passed down. He's coming. He's coming.

Dude's working extremely hard. I'm very proud of him. You know, I mean, he's a good kid. He always listens to what I have to say. He always want to do things based on my opinion. And, you know, especially in the era that we are living, where the youth, they feel like they got everything figured out. You know, he listens.

He's a good listener. I love it. And I can't wait. I'm supporting him all the way. You're the man, and I support you all the way, no good listener. I love it. And I can't wait. That's why I'm supporting him all the way. You're the man. And I support you all the way. No matter what. Whatever you need.

You're the man, Julian. You know that, baby. You need anything. I'm paying for what you're running on those lines again, brother. You know that. I love it. Thank you for coming on, man. Thank you, Big Papi.

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Legend. He is Boston sports royalty. I mean, you realize you're talking to an all-timer for sure. And just everything, you know, his setting, where he was, watching his son, hearing the baseball, getting dinged in the background. That's just Big Papi. And you could totally tell, like you were saying earlier, he's bringing in current players.

He loves Bryce Harper. He's pissed off about Aaron Judge. It's crazy that this dude is literally in the elevator defending Yankees. That's how much of a baseball head he is. Seam head. Yeah. That's what they call him. Seamhead. But, uh, sometimes I'll be on stage at the end of a show and comics, crowd members will like scream out comics names that they want me to shit on. I'm like, I don't, I get it. I get that. It's like kind of a brotherhood. You kind of don't want to do that

shit. No. And it's just like, you know, for me, any, any guy that I competed against, you know, now, now it's over in between the lines, you hate them. But afterwards it's, it's a fraternity of guys that, you know, there's no one you still hate. Nah, I don't, I don't really hate anyone. That's good. You know, but it's because you know how hard it is to get to that level and you know that everyone has a story yeah you know regardless of what situation you're in as an individual it takes a lot to get to that situation to be in those high pressure situations and to deliver in those pressure situations there's always a winner and there's always a loser you know lost a lot of those and you know fortunately enough you can win some and and that's just how it is you respect those you

you have an ultimate respect for someone you compete against at the high level for sure for sure especially being in as many big games as you and uh poppy were poppy man he's geez he's got three three three rings, three ring club. Well, we got to settle this prop bet. How did we do, Jack? I know. I know how we did. I know I lost. I know. I try. What can I do? It's two

Boston legends teaming up on me. What am I going to do? Let it fly. I went for it. You went for it. I tried to get him to call his World Series buddy a coward. He wouldn't do it. You went for it. I tried to get him to call his World Series buddy a coward. He wouldn't do it. Valiant effort. Yeah, dude.

What's the legacy for this game? I mean, it's the first time ever a 3-0 comeback. Is it still the only time ever? Yep. I mean, it's crazy. It's so hard in baseball. Just like he said baseball happening any like after they won this series they still weren't they didn't think they won everything you knew you knew this

team was kind of a team of destiny maybe they didn't even know at that point because they had the humility you know going in against the Cardinals that you have to you have to stay focused but like as as someone watched I'm like they're going to win it all. I felt like they were a team of destiny. There was just so many instances where the Red Sox were that close, though. So I'm sure in that locker room, there was leaders in there like, hey, guys, we need to shut the fuck up.

We need to really focus on this. We can't get this far just to get this far. Yeah. I mean, that was always the thing. Playing in the last game of the season, you're always like, we didn't come this far to just get this far. We got to win it. And it was just cool to hear him speak about that

and how they stuck together. And I guess he likes the Mama Juana. Yeah. I want to try it. You want to get Mama Juana? We got to get some Mama Juana. Yum, you got any hooks? Really?

Yum. Get her in. He drank it for breakfast, he said. Probably with the cereal. That's pretty bad. I should have asked him what cereal guy he is. I bet you Big Papi loves a good bowl of cereal. What's your number one cereal?

Like most underrated or Julian Edelelman like every day and a treat what do you go to every day when i when like when you feel like you're gonna be healthy even though it's not healthy honey nut cheerios yeah those aren't healthy no at all but they're not as bad as like a fucking captain crunch or if i'm feeling cocoa eat little, little Cocoa Puddles or maybe Fruity Pebble. It depends on what I'm feeling that day. I'm never a one cereal kind of guy. I like multiple. Yeah, I do like to mix up.

Sometimes I'll put Fruity Pebbles in with Captain Crunch, the regular Captain Crunch, without the Crunch Berries. It's like a cereal gangbang, dude. I'm here for the gangbang. Yeah, you are. What's your a cereal gangbang, dude. I'm here for the gangbang. Yeah, you are. What's your favorite cereal? I got a lot. An underrated one, Cracklin' Oat Bran is so underrated. It's a great fucking cereal.

Is that with the stuff with the O's, with the stuff in the middle? That's a very good one. It's underrated. People think it's a healthy cereal. It's not a healthy cereal. No. It's great marketing.

It sounds healthy. Cracklin' Oat Bran. Fucking not healthy. Sugar Pops. I love Sugar Pops. Never got into Pops. My dad used to love them. Or Smacks.

Smacks and Pops were like the same thing. Never liked either of those. I liked, I was a big Fruit Loops guy. That was a classic. Fruit Loops, good. Love, I mean, the chocolatey ones you can't go wrong. Reese's Peanut Butter Puffs was crack. Remember when that came out?

Yeah. That was crack. That was, that out? Yeah. That was crack. That's not breakfast. That's, you know, that's like this. The thing is, I tend to stay away from the puffs and go with more of the pebbles because of the roof of my mouth. The roof can get fucked up. And that's why I love the taste of Captain Crunch.

It's like Florida in September. Am I right? All right. You eat some Captain Crunch. I love Captain Crunch and the Crunch Berries, but then I can't eat for two days. The roof damage is real. It's the same effect as when you take a piping hot bite of pizza and the cheese slides off and you get that little burn.

This is the breakfast version of that. Captain Crunch. And you can't not eat pizza piping hot unless it's refrigerator cold. Which I'm fine with. I'm cool with cold pizza, but I love a hot slice of it. Well, yeah, it either has to be burning my mouth or it has to be refrigerator cold for me. I can't do this fucking sitting out for three hours thing. Yeah, it's horrible. It's lukewarm pizzas. Like what are we doing? I want a hard stance.

Definitely. All right. So the broke, uh, the broken curse of the Bambino is really the legacy of this game. Boston winning a three Oh comeback. I mean, I hate to say it. There's so many legacies in this game going on. That's why it and starts starts of legacies it is one of the most iconic series and games and uh it hurts to say this because this is kind of we did the 18 wins in one giant loss game and this is kind of the flip of that where you got to give it up i mean this is an incredible you know i think wins think wins? Everyone wins. Not everyone. The Yankees lost. New York lost.

The New York-Boston rivalry, it just nourishes it. Yeah, you're right. It wasn't a rivalry at this point. It was a rivalry, but Boston hadn't won. Hadn't won. And it makes that Boston-New York thing just that much better. Because rivalry, both teams have to win that's why i never really thought that you know the new york jets were rivals because they really beat us but then

you go with the the giants i remember a time mark sanchez knocked you guys out though right yeah if you gotta win a super bowl to have that you know he's also the guy that they hadn't won at this point so then this game doesn't count either yeah because they hadn't won at this point they hadn't so this but afterwards the aftermath because true you know it would have been a rivalry potential for one year if the jets went on to win one of those super bowls i wish they won one even just the championships well yeah this is a classic. They did a 30 for 30 called Four Days in October on this. Yeah, I will not be watching. No.

I'll be sitting that one out. What's the last image for this? It's got to be something Big Papi related. Definitely that. And I just remember watching SportsCenter and you would see all these old Boston people. I'm talking like 80-year-olds, 90-year-olds crying. People, this was like, that was such a huge thing for Boston people. They love the Red Sox.

It's a beautiful thing to share that with your kids, your grandkids. There's got to be someone though who was on life support in a Red Sox hat and he died right before Big Papi hit this home run. Don't youkids. Yeah. There's got to be someone, though, who was on life support in a Red Sox hat, and he died right before Big Papi hit this home run. Don't you think? Yeah, definitely. That's got to sting. It does, but then they probably, afterwards, they cremated him,

and then they sprinkled him over Fenway, and he grows as the grass. That's beautiful. You know? So that person who died and didn't get to see it is Fenway Park now that's like that's gonna be like

some sad novel he grows with the grass a Boston tale of my dad who passed away just before David Ortiz hit the bomb what did we forget Jack

uh not much pretty clean episode quick pronunciation check Bill Miller that's what I said that i mean i'm a he said kevin miller yeah miller yeah you know it's it's uh it's it's something i've been dealing with since uh third grade it's all right a little bit like remember letterman at the oscars oprah

ooma remember that kind of like that what do you do remember he's doing like the oprah ooma thurman thing miller miller never mind i don't remember i i don't remember but jack i i take your word for what do you do I remember he was doing like the Oprah Uma Thurman thing Millar nevermind I don't remember I don't remember but Jack I take your word for it alright we also talked

Curse of the Bambino or as some call it the Curse of the Great Bambino Great Bambino 1918 we said 1919 a couple times oh my bad

that was May 1918 18 six years after the Titanic I don't know why but I'm obsessed with Titanic. That's when they traded Ruth. Yeah.

Okay. But the curse is at 18. Yeah. So it adds up. No, you're right. You're spot on with the Titanic. I love, I love, was it April 12th, April 15th? I believe because that was my parents.

That's my parents' wedding marriage thing. Anniversary. Yeah. The anniversary yeah the anniversary we can call this game the a night to remember game in honor of the Titanic I mean I don't know

it also reminds Jules' fit reminds me of having to get the great Bambino's baseball back from Dennis Leary the that you guys lost in Sandlot

Leary oh that's remember he was the dad with the great Bambino's baseball how did I mean how did Dennis Leary pull off playing an asshole that must have been a really hard performance for him.

He's a Boston guy. Oh, yeah, he is. He is a Boston guy. He was with the Fire Show. Rescue Me. Rescue Me. Artie was in that. Artie Lang?

Yeah. Yeah, I never saw the show. I love Artie Lang. Me too. So the naming of the game, the breaking of the curse. The curse is over. Sorry, Sam. The Dave Roberts game game that's no

no don't let us win tonight or we're not even going to say the four days in October because there's a there's a 30 for 30 and this is games with names

it's the breaking of the curse because it is in action it is the breaking of the curse it's the curse isn't over yet the curse is over when you beat the Cardinals,

but it is the process of breaking the curse. Definitely. I'm going with breaking the curse as well. It's the breaking of the curse. Let's score it. Stakes are high. It's 100 years in the making. Almost.

What, 90? Stakes are crazy high. But the individual game, I mean, this is win or go home. This is do or die. this is this is do or die this is cornered animal mentality what are we going eight eight eight eight eight eight nine nine one all right fine we'll go nine star power i don't know if the stakes are as that high though because they haven't won in that yeah fuck you're right it you're right. It's a 9-1. Alright, star power is high, dude. I mean, this is a lot of, I mean, the amount of all-stars

we listed. Hall of Famers. I mean, there's like eight Hall of Famers on both teams. I'm sure in the stands you probably had Matt Damon, the Ben word, or the B word that's... Bennifer? Yeah. Are they there, you think?

Let me look. Man, we should have looked into that but I mean I think star power has got to be a 9 it's a high guy gameplay it was a pretty good game unfortunately extra innings there's a walk off there's a fucking you know a hit to get it into

overtime or extra innings are we going like a niner? God damn, this is going to be one of our highest. The name is high too. I hate that this might, dude, is this going to fucking overtake shit? The name is high. The name is like, it's probably one of the biggest, most. Are we going nine again on the name?

God damn. Nine one. I'm angry how well this is scoring 902 that's brutal i know too is that our number one it is number two. Behind what? 18 and one. Yes! Yes! Can't win them all. We really got to reevaluate these scores. No, we don't.

I think it works properly. I think the system works. I mean, I think those two are, I mean, those are two big games. And I mean, yeah. They are. They And I mean, they are what they are. They're both Boston, New York, so it's appropriate that they're one and two. Hey, you got to go Super Bowl higher than a game four. You have to.

It's one game. One game. Bigger city. Larger population. What about 18-0? That was when 19-0. We stopped history. We stopped history.

I agree with Sam. Suck it, Kyler. I agree with Sam. Suck it, Kyler. I agree with Sam. And unfortunately, I'm on the short end of this stick. That's damn right you are. Follow Games With Names on YouTube, Instagram, Twitter, TikTok, at Games With Names. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you get podcasts.

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