Games with Names - 2010 Week 16 with Matt Light | Patriots vs. Bills

Episode Date: June 4, 2024

Matt Light is in studio! We're breaking down the AFC East clinching game from Week 16 of the 2010 season and the wild aftermath with Patriots Hall of Famer, 3 time Super Bowl champ, and 11 year NFL vet, Matt Light. Matt joins us on the couch (1:18). We go back to December of 2010 (58:10). We take a look at these Bills and Patriots rosters (1:02:58). We breakdown the game (1:37:16). We score it (2:02:37). We hit the ol hotline (2:15:02). Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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That's what was important. I heard that story once. You went into his office, and what did you do? So I had this mouse. When you hit that mouse button, it would send, like, Jesus through your body real quick. And so I go in there, and I put that thing on his laptop on his desk. You know how many times Vrabel would have Tommy Boy on tilt during practice? And like hard shots. What's the worst thing Vrabel has ever said to Tom? Oh man. And today we are

looking at 2010 week 16 Patriots versus the Bills. Man, that was a special day, man. The most treasured thing that I own in my life is an email exchange between Bill Belichick and I. I've never spoken to anybody that's ever received an email. Like, Bill doesn't do human stuff, right? Like, I got an email. What does the email say? Games with Names is a production of iHeartRadio.

I'm Julian Edelman. They're Jack and Kyler. And we are on the search to find the greatest game of all time. On today's episode, we're covering week 16 of the 2010 season. Patriots versus the Bills with three-time Super Bowl champion, three-time Pro Bowler, Patriots Hall of Famer, and ultimate prankster, Matthew Big Bear Gulch Light. That's right.

King of the pranks. You guys will hear this dude is wild. Nobody's safe. No one's safe. No one's safe. Can's safe for three weeks to see what he did to us exactly we get into getting snowed in at buffalo uh this was a crazy game you'll understand why where we went after the crazy night of clinching, once again, the division in Buffalo. Matt's infamous pranks around the locker room.

This guy is a prankster. Prankster. And what it's like getting an email from Bill Belichick. You're going to want to hear this. He said this is the only thing that he will ever want. Like the one thing that if his house burned down or if he lost everything that he'd want to save is this email correspondence with Coach Bill. Back and forth.

How quickly he was able to pull it up in the phone. Oh, my God. 20 years ago. Quickly. Insane. I mean, he probably reads it daily for motivation. It is. He should.

Our thoughts on the TB12 roast, Tom Brady roast. Matt Light was up there. Matt Light was there. And then we wrap it up with hitting the old hotline. Let's get into it. Let's do it. December 26, 2010. Ralph Wilson Stadium, Buffalo, New York.

The 12-2 Patriots are on a mission to clinch the division. But the Bills and their lake effect snow have other plans. This is the Dinosaur for Life Game. Heyo! Welcome to Games with Names. We have a very special guest. Big Bear Gulch. Matthew Light from Purdue.

Welcome to Games with Names. That's Jack. That's Kyler. And today we are looking at 2010 Week 16. Patriots vs. the Bills. Why bills why this game man it's a great question first of all if you ask me about any details of any game at any point i'm gonna know next to nothing nothing i have no i have no idea i look back on my career man i can't tell you a specific moment of anything versus like what you and like people that actually touch the ball and do like athletic shit. Like you guys could tell me exactly what the coverage was, you know, what you did.

Oh, you know, I adjusted my route on this thing. And oh, yeah, that was when I caught that. I wasn't with 14 yards. And and oh, that was a big pivotal moment again. Like, we don't care. I don't care about any of that, dude. I was the first guy off the field. I was the first guy showered and I was the first guy at the bar that's what was important

i'm gonna have a good time and so like literally you know to sit here and come up with a game like the first one that came to mind was you know what i want to talk about i want to talk about when crowder and i got ejected in miami having fun and i was like wait a minute no no no no there's one that was a little bit more like your era this game what happened afterwards and to me and I know you're the same way but again you you played the game from a different perspective like your mindset was completely different like you you can remember a lot of really cool things that happened because you actually were involved with them while I was like you know basically trying to just catch my breath and you know not fall down but this game in particular what it represents to me is what most of us seek as players after you retire and

that is the camaraderie the little things that happen in the locker room during practice during training camp the busting of balls. Because, to be honest, man, that's why I was in it. You know this. So what happened after the game? Well, it wasn't normal, I can tell you that much. So, you know, I always just tell people, like, man, what was it like being in a league?

And what was it like, you know, Coach Belichick? Yeah, man, 99% of it was freaking brutal. We ate basketball, baseball, where you get to go on road trips. They're slapping each other in the ass, having a great time right before game time. Oh, no. Like, we're sitting there, like, running into walls. Guys are, like, doing lines of coke. No, I'm just kidding.

They never did that. But it was like, it's such a high, everybody's assholes tight. Everybody's freaked out. Puckered. Puckered. And especially when you have a guy who literally has no sense of humor. Like, Bill, it's not as if everything's rosy. I mean, oh my God, man. We do this shit one more time.

I mean, what the fuck? We're not going to win a fucking game. It's like, all right, coach, we're 16-0, but... I feel like we're doing pretty good. Now, something just came to my head bill used to he was notorious for fucking quizzing us on spot and i could have sworn matt light was sleeping in a meeting and bill tried to catch matt and he goes matt you got all the fucking answers exactly what's exactly what he said, actually. I was just going to say that.

Matt, you got all the fucking answers. What coverage is that? And you hit the coverage. What was it, like two blitz zone, two C? It was like the square root of an isosceles triangle is equal to the opposite. And everybody turns around and they're like, because they know I sleep. Like, you know I sleep. I slept through every meeting.

And honestly, my wife was like, you're gonna get fired like my first year I remember Dante Skarnecchia my line coach would make me stand up in the meeting room when we had our offensive line meetings and I would fall asleep eating a candy bar trying to stay awake eating a candy bar fall asleep standing and he would be like light if you if you fall sleep one more time I will kill you and I'm like like, oh, man, like I'm a rookie. I didn't know what was happening. On that one, though, so this is the greatest, right? So Notorious Sleeper, Copen would kick me. He sat right behind me. He would always feed me the answer, too, because I have not.

Fuck, I don't know what Bill just said. I was asleep. And so and by the way, like football, like, yes, we're a bunch of Neanderthals. But like, I don't need to watch that 700 times. Like, all we do is sit and rewind, watch, rewind, watch. So on this one, if you think on that season, we had a bunch of young guys, and defensively, as you know, the defense could get everything.

Bill would be like, all right, look, what are we expecting? He'd be talking to the offense in this situation. What are we expecting them to do? I mean, it's third down. We're in a red zone. I mean, we got whatever. We got're in a red zone. I mean, you know, we got, you know, whatever. We got trips. You know, and he'd ask somebody a question,

and it'd be like a really difficult question. And we would come up with an answer that's pretty good. I mean, he'd be like, oh, I'm not going to. What the fuck? You know, that's not what they're going to do. I mean, god damn it. You know, have you watched an ounce of film? And then he would go to the defense, and he'd be like, all right, guys.

Like, what's one plus seven? And they'd be like, oh, six and a half. And they'd be like all right guys like what's one plus seven and they'd be like uh six and a half and they'd like that's pretty close pretty good all right now moving on what are we talking about coach like those guys that have no idea what color are their jerseys right like he would give some fucking terrible you give the easiest questions these fucking defensive guys and they always got a pass. Always. Every time. So I'm listening to this, and I'm like, these cats have no idea. And Bill's kind of pissed off. Like, we had a couple weeks of coming in, and I want some answers. It's a Wednesday morning, right? And you better have my answers, right?

Well, they weren't having it. So I go on my way out. I don't know why. I just had this epiphany. And I walk into Coach's office, which is always awkward. Like, you don't go in there just to go in there. Oh, no. And you've got to pass Bears, the little man purse right there at the front, right?

And I love Bears. But, you know, so anyway, I go in there. Coach is working at his computer. And he looks up at me. He's like, you know. Like, it wasn't a question. It was just like a, you know. And I'm like, uh.

And right then, immediately, I'm like, why did I do this? This is not a you know and i'm like uh and i'm right then immediately i'm like why did i do this this is not gonna be i'm like coach hey listen i'm like these guys don't have the answers they're not coming in with stuff i said i thought it'd be funny if like you know next time we do this like on the next wednesday or whatever you you throw me some questions and i'll just rattle them off it'd be like shit that even brady wouldn't know and he's like you know all right well what are you thinking and i'm like uh well you know like you know you you say something then i rattle off an answer then you you try to hit me with another one try to catch me slipping and i'll just keep rattling them off and all the guys are gonna and that way now they're gonna know

like i gotta get in the film room i need if light knows this shit then i really need to do a little bit more studying and it fell on deaf ears dude he was just like all right you know look i mean you know no like it wasn't like a hey that sounds like a great idea or that's really stupid. It was just like indifferent. So I walked out of there thinking that that failed three weeks go by. I'm walking in and bears like, Hey, Bill wants to see. And I'm like, Oh snap. What did I do? Like, I totally forgot about the whole conversation. Right. And I'm not kidding. I walk in his office and immediately he goes, all right, look i'll hit you with you know what they're doing a third down and and then i'm gonna i'm gonna talk to you about you know when we get into the red zone you know

what what that looks like and then the last one i'm like and he rattles off these three questions he's gonna ask me and i'm like okay and i'm like what's the answer like i have no idea like you're speaking like swahili i have no idea what you're even referring to, Bill. And he's like, oh, well. So I grab a pen and I start writing the answers on my hand. And we go in. Team meeting kicks off. And he starts off with his typical, I mean, you know, in the category of what we're not looking for.

Some Bengals, you know, problem with some guy getting arrested at a strip club or something. Always a Bengals player, right? I swear to God, always a Bengals player. And then he learned the bangle formation the f was all the way in the inside because he was in jail in jail easy way to remember that so when he asked me when he says exactly what you said all right like you got all the fucking answers all right here we go what are they doing this and i literally just

rattled off immediately i remember i could hear the air come out of copen he's like shit he's awake and i didn't even know that one so the next one he throws out there i immediately answer that one then the third one i'm like literally looking at my hand of course and so when it's done and we leave the team meeting room i remember the guys coming up to me and they're like what the i'm like hey did you get in the film room you know like like i didn't acknowledge the fact that bill and I set that up. And you know, here's the best part, Jules, I've never had a conversation with Bill about any of the funny stuff that's ever happened between him and I. I have the most treasured thing that I own in my life is an email exchange between Bill Belichick and I. You ever get an email from Bill Belichick

ever in your history of your career? I got a text message. Okay, but never an email. No. I've never spoken to anybody that I've ever played with or came after me or before me that's ever received an email. Like, Bill doesn't do human stuff, right? No, no. That's like a human thing to do, like send an email. Yeah. I got an email. What does the email say?

So I was a rep, right, and I was in Hawaii. By the way, let me paint the picture for everyone out there. Light was a rep, a union rep. And Bill took everything out on the reps because they represented the union. And he hated the time limits. It's like, you guys figure it out. This fucking shit. And he couldn't time limits. Like, you guys figure it out. This fucking shit.

And he couldn't do anything to us because he had Vrabel and myself. And, by the way, last night, let's just pause for one moment. Why was it Vrabel's hair? First of all, why was the best roaster I've ever been around in my life? As you know, war words with him, you're losing. Oh, yeah. And I can hold my own in a storm,

but that cat, he's coming, he's a tidal wave of emotions. It's probably on purpose. He didn't want to cry. Tommy didn't want to cry. Hey, because

you know how many times Vrabel would have Tommy Boy on tilt during practice? Every time. I mean, he got in his shit. It was funny. So, but I will say this.

Props to you. Last night was phenomenal, and you absolutely crushed it. And I'm not going to lie to you, man. I was a little nervous for all you guys. It was live on Netflix, man. It was live. Like, no joke. It was a big-ass crowd.

Yeah, man. You didn't even stretch. No pregame routine. I didn't see you take an energy shake. Just nailed it. But that was awesome. But Vrabel is the best I've ever been around, man. And the fact that he wasn't there, that's crazy.

And like hard shots. There weren't a whole lot of punches pulled. What's the worst thing Vrabel has ever said to Tom? Oh, man. He went at him with everything, man. There was nothing sacred to Vrabel for any reason. I will tell you this. One of the favorite lines I ever heard Vrabel say that was directed towards me is we had a stag night to raise money for the Light

Foundation in my hometown. Right. And we stopped doing it because I thought, man, there's going to be a lot of kids born in my little hometown that don't belong to these daddies. Yeah. And so I was like, we're going to and I'm telling you, it became a little crazy. But Vrabel would come in town with all these other guys. We had A.J. Hawk when he was at Ohio state and younger cats too. Right. And my, the mayor of my little town, now you got to think Mayberry, right. And he gets up and he has this proclamation where he's going to make it Matt light day. Right. And he stumbles on some words. An hour later, Vrabel gets up and we're having an auction and he's like, Hey, and you know, when he gets the mic, man, it's going to be, it's going to be profound and it's going to be

hilarious. He stops everything. And he goes, listen, I'll give anybody a thousand dollars right now. They can get the mayor to spell matriculate because he tried using that in a sentence and he stumbled over it. And in real time, man, it was really uncomfortable, but nobody said nothing. An hour later, Vrabel has it up there on the auction block. I'll give you $1,000 if you can get the Mayor of Greenville to spell matriculate. And we lost it. But that's our boy, man. That's a funny, funny man.

Fucking Vrabes. Coming for the mayor's neck. Bill email. So, yeah. What did Bill say? He wouldn't mess with us as reps very much. Yeah. But I get home from Hawaii, long-ass flight, Hawaii to Boston.

Are you in Hawaii, Pro Bowl? The union meetings were there. Oh. And so when I went, I was the guy that literally got them changed. I passed a resolution saying, if I want to go to Hawaii, I'll go to Hawaii. I don't want to fly all the way to Hawaii. Why don't we do this in the States? And, dude, I think half the island wanted

to kill me yeah because that was a big revenue but anyway neither here nor there i get home and this is like way before you know we live in this crazy time now where like we think it's always been the way it is i mean back up 10 years ago man i wasn't checking emails from my cell phone still don't i had Of course you don't. Makes sense. Yeah, but you got somebody that will. Ma, where's Milo? Milo!

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Thank God, finally one of my offensive linemen is busting my balls. All the stuff I've done and nobody's really come at me. And then when I read it, I was like, Copen, you son of a gun. Because he's the only one smart enough at the time that would have done this. So I spend all night. Like I got home at like, let's say, 1030. And I missed the whole first week of the off-season program because I was at the meetings. I had all night. I got home at, let's say, 10.30, and I missed the whole first week of the off-season program because I was at the meetings. I had to go.

You had to go. The next day was Monday, so I'm going to be jumping in a week late. I'm staying up until 1.30 in the morning, and I finally find a service where I can send an email and make it look like it came from someone else. I know this is how Copen did it. I write one to Copen. You spent six

hours trying forever dude forever but by the way you know how it is man you find one and it says it works and you test it and it doesn't work you gotta pay for something I'm like this is stupid anyway found one sent coping an email walk in the next morning and I'm I'm ready to go toe to toe but I you know I'm never gonna admit to so when I walk past coping immediately he's like you sent me an email didn't you I'm like did you send me an email I'm never going to admit to shit. So when I walk past Cope and immediately he's like, you sent me an email, didn't you? I'm like, did you send me an email? I'm like, what are you talking about? And he's like, you know what I'm talking about.

I'm like, no, I don't know what you're talking about. Because he has to admit first what he did. And then, yeah, okay, let's talk about it. Because that was pretty good, Cope. That was pretty good. We go in. We get our workout done. He doesn't bring it up anymore.

And then he comes back to me right when we get done working out. And he's like, hey, you did send me an email. I'm like, no, I didn't send you an email. He's like, well, that's great because somebody sent me an email, and it looks like something you would do. And I'm like, all right, well, if I get an email that looks like something you would do, I'll let you know, right? And now as I'm walking out, we get done running, right,

and I'm walking out for the day, I can't shake it. I'm like, he's not messing around. So I see Bears, and I walk into his office and I'm like, hey man, because if it wasn't coping, there's no one else smart enough. Bears must have sent it from Bill's email on behalf of someone else. And the minute I say something to Bears, he's like, oh no, Bill sent you an email. I'm like, come on, man. Not my first rodeo, right?

He literally gets up, goes into Bill's office. He's in a staff meeting. Gets his computer to fire up and shows me in his Outlook on the sent box the email to me. And it's the email. And I'm like, immediately I'm like, oh, man, damn. That goes up a notch, right? What did the email say? I'll read it for you.

It's literally my prized possession. So I get this, and now I'm like, oh, this is legit. So I take like four or five days. Because you know me. I can't not acknowledge this. I have to have some kind of a response. So I send my response, and immediately I get one back. And the essence of what he sent back was, we're never going to do this again, number one. Because in the subject heading, it was concluding remarks, right?

No joke. No joke. Concluding remarks. And to this day, and what he wrote in there, I'm telling you, I could lose everything, every Super Bowl ring. I could care less, man. Possessions like that mean nothing to me. This, if I ever lost this.

You got to read it. You got to read it you got to read it i'm getting there man text me i got big fat fingers so we've never had a conversation bill belichick and i've never once spoken about this ever so i by the way i never break this out it's one of these things that he kind of has to be in person right okay so here we go here we go all right so just so you can see this saturday april 7th 2007 at 2 34 p.m okay so this is in undefeated season yeah go go going into it yeah yeah yeah that's here yeah greet in the subject heading greetings from the nep off-season program exclamation point all right oh okay here we go in quotes this is how it starts not like hey matt or just wanted to touch base with you sir it's a chance for us all to bond and start putting the wheels in motion for the following season left tackle matt light said in

a recent interview the foundation is put in place at this time of year what you do in march april may and june what you do in that mini camp in the passing camp it has a direct effect on the beginning of your season. And you have to come out of the gate swinging pretty hard. That's what we've been able to do around here, end of quote. My bad. I mean, that's Kool-Aid. It's a good quote.

Yeah, no kidding. Yeah. I got asked by a reporter in Hawaii about whatever, and I gave the typical, you know, do your job speech, right? Hey, Matt, just read this quote from you, dot, dot, dot. What the fuck? And by the way, so you see, when I see this, that's got to be coping. They're messing with me. That's not real.

And Bill doesn't send emails. We have over 50 guys here working out today, and the one who isn't here does all the talking about how important the offseason is. Figures. A lot of your teammates were concerned about you and asked why you weren't here, but don't worry. We let them all know that you're in Hawaii for a week. If you want to get something productive done out there, why don't you have them move this meeting to the week before, all in caps,

teams start their offseason programs? Very respectfully yours, Bill Belichick, head coach, New England Patriots. So when you got that, if you got that, you know that's not from Bill Belichick. All right. So, we've been through this. You guys got the background. It took me days, and I did elicit a little bit of help from a family member who's far smarter than me. And I sent him this.

Now, and again, I will say, my wife day one always told me you're gonna get he's gonna fire you like please don't do that matt please please don't leave here with that device don't put that on anyone's you know whatever don't shock don't do what you're thinking about doing every single day because that will get you fired this one i did kind of think maybe i was gonna get fired coach b and i thought that was awesome that was a way to go right first of all allow me to apologize for not responding earlier to your prior email. It has been my experience, limited as it may be, that a reflexive response does not serve anyone well. Thus, I felt it necessary to permit time to militate a more measured, philosophic response.

As you are certainly better aware than anyone, we as human beings are not automatons. Rather, we stand as a compilation of free-willed, rational beings. Given this, it becomes critical to impose a measure of collectivism for the benefit of the order. I realize that the concept of collectivism strikes a measure of aberrance in our rugged individualistic society,

but it is such a collective good that allows us all to benefit. And it does not require a study of the incunabulum to realize that both coaches and players gain from a measured collective relationship with the financial bully pulpit held by the owners. Given this, and despite my commitment to the off-season programs, I felt compelled to move forward the collective relationship with the financial bully pulpit held by the owners. Given this, and despite my commitment to the offseason programs, I felt compelled to move forward the collective good of the players through attendance at the PA meetings.

In the long run, it is generally for the benefit of all. My commitment to this end is in no way a negative reflection on my dedication and commitment to optimizing my personal performance to the greatest advantage of the team, your humble, free-willed left tackle, Matt Light. Now that said, I figured i covered all bases right that's an even basis and i'm good and i kind of got off my chest why i felt like i needed to be in attendance right like it didn't seem like that big of a deal i had no idea that this would be the response to that gibberish and i gotta tell you this is one of my favorite things in life. Again,

April 11th, 2007, 1245 PM. It's like a midday email. Midday. Weird. Concluding remarks. You're going to love this. Matt, I need some time to let this one settle, but I'll start with this. Why don't you consider dedicating yourself to having fewer mistakes and not leading the team in once again being the most penalized player on offense your numerous false start penalties in evidence again at the pro bowl and other transgressions like taunting continue to make me think that your distractions off the field affect your concentration on the field my advice if you have an interest in improving your performance would be to minimize your distractions and focus on maximizing your physical development and technique in the off season program. That one week really killed him.

I continue to feel that you were totally out of line commenting on the importance of the program when you were not in attendance with the rest of the team. No, this is what it gets great. Finally, Matt, there is no need to use multi-syllable words in your email that neither you

nor I know. I am unimpressed. This one, multi-syllable words in your email that neither you nor I know. I am unimpressed. This will conclude my email exchange, and I will return to my efforts in trying to do a better job in coaching this football team. As for the PA meetings, don't worry about helping me. As I have said many times and I remind myself, the best thing we can do for ourselves and our families is WIN, all in caps.

Try to keep that in your mind in your quest for quest for world peace sincerely respectfully yours bill belichick head coach that's it man that's all i need in life and we've never once acknowledged it i played for another four seasons and it never came up in a conversation never or the fact that i fried him and he lost all of his information that never came up although he did stop me in the hallway and he said if you ever go in my office again yeah what did you do i heard that story once you went into his office and what'd you do so i had this remote right and again this is back in the day when this stuff didn't really exist but i was always surfing the net and and it was a mouse and it plugged in actually but it didn't do anything when was a mouse and it plugged in actually but

it didn't do anything when you plugged in and you couldn't actually control the mouse but there were i don't know how you get this much energy out of two triple a batteries but those two triple a batteries when you hit that mouse button it would send like jesus through your body like real quick and so he was in a staff meeting it was it was in training camp and nobody was there so i slip in and i'm on my way out they're still working really hard trying to make us better and i go in and i put that thing on his laptop on his desk i come in the next morning you know dying necks killing me it's like to start training camp i'm not even thinking about what i did the night before and

and bears is like immediately when i walk in he's like not good like like seriously like and you can see in his eyes like the bearish the bear he not not good and i'm like what you know but i know i know what he's saying right but i'm like what are you talking about deny till you die and he's like just telling you it's not good man what happens not good and i'm like hey look i can't play this game right now i gotta go get ready so i walk into the meal room and when i walk in there maddie p is just got some toast or something and he turns around and he sees me and he's like you're an idiot and i'm like what i'm like you too and he's like hey man he's fired up and because of your dumb ass we spent like two more extra hours here last night and i'm like for what and he goes well he goes i know it was you and when he shocked himself the first time he had he had his hand off the keyboard the second time his hand hit the keyboard and it deleted his

notes you know how he takes notes every single day of everything everything like hey by the way this is crazy man here's a here's a great example we're let's say we're playing the jets and it's it's it's monday afternoon so we're playing a divisional game right it's we're coming off a loss on the road and you know we were have we have a two key players on defense that went down he'll go back in his notes and do keyword search or something and he'll find a scenario that mimics that almost to a T, and then he'll look and see, how did I address the team? Did I go hard on them? Did I take it easy on them?

Did I push them? And how hard did I push them? Did we practice a certain way? What was the outcome? How did it come out? All that stuff gets analyzed, man. That's the craziness and the complexity that a lot of people don't realize i don't know how much that weighs in his success or whatever else but that's who he is right so when now by the way

first time he didn't have his hand on the keyboard second time he shocked himself he did and it closed in a program the way i look at that is you're an error repeater that the first one was my fault second one that's your fault now we didn, we didn't talk about that, but I will say this. When he lost that, that was not a good day because it wasn't like auto-save, apparently. So all of his notes for that day apparently went bye-bye. And what I thought was really – so I wanted to go get my mouse, but I left that thing in there, buddy. Once I heard about that one, I was like, yeah, that thing's gone.

What did he say to you? I mean, literally, he said something like – I mean, he mean he stopped me and by the way bill's kind of like tommy like i have no idea how tommy got from one meeting room to the next i don't know if he floated in the atmosphere he like like became particles and just reappears like in weird places obviously he didn't shower tommy never showered never nobody ever saw him in there. Weird. Well, actually, I see him a couple times. He'd have two shower heads on him. Remember, he would be in the corner sometimes.

Rarely. Typically after a game. Two shower heads. I'm like, dude, he had two showers? I know. And neither one of those heads wanted to be pointed to him. No. Seriously. The water was like, he's hydrophobic.

Water doesn't like him or something. You got to think about it. He probably goes to, like, his sick home where, like, he's got, like, hydrogen-based water. No, listen, I think he has s**t to wash him every day. I think so, seriously. That's Alex. Alex Guerrero, yeah. Little tiny hands.

So what did Bill say? Hey, man, he was fired up he basically told me if you go in my office again i will kill you and of course i denied i'm like coach what are we even talking about he's like you know exactly what we're talking about i i really don't i said but i'm gonna get some food here i'll see you in the meeting room and and but it was weird because maddie p came at me and so did bears and i thought i thought they were like flipping it on me right like oh we're gonna make him think that, you know, coach is really fired up.

No, coach is – because Dante was the last one. Because, you know, Dante doesn't mess around. Dante was a real matter of fact. What did Scar say? He's like, I don't think that was a good idea. You probably shouldn't go in the head coach's office. And I'm like, you too? I'm like, I don't know what you're even talking about.

So did you deny it until forever? Forever. But that's the – so, again, we didn't have a conversation about conversation about it wasn't like at some point he came to me it was like hey that shit was kind of funny you got me if that shit hurt you know like i'd be cool to acknowledge any of this like hey bill remember that email you sent me like that was funny but there's a part of me that believes like what he reiterated on his concluding remarks email that he was kind of serious. You know what I'm saying? Dead serious. He may have been dead serious.

He probably would try to kill you if you went in his office again. I bet you he got cameras put in for that. He probably had Briggs sitting there with some samurai sword waiting for me to walk in. By the way, Briggs legit SAS. Yeah. I mean, head of our security.

I mean, this dude was legit. Missed a leg. Yeah, did miss a leg. Whoa. Did he get bit by a shark or something? That was always the rumor. That was the rumor because he was a big swimmer.

Yeah. Someone's like, his shark took his leg off. Yeah, swim in the English family. This guy's British too. Yeah. The meanest motherfucker you'll ever meet.

Whoa. Hey, do you remember when he and I had a serious confrontation out in San Francisco? I don't think I was there. Outside the meeting room? I wasn't there. Oh, I think you had to have been. We went back-to-back. We played two West Coast trips.

That wasn't me. Oh, it was right before you got there. That's right. What happened? Oh, man, it was great. So I had this girl that stole from us. And she was like a babysitter. What do you mean a girl that stole from you? Yeah, yeah.

Not anything like that. But she was babysitting. And she ended up taking jewelry. And she came from a good home. She had one of those sicknesses where she just likes stealing stuff. Which I kind of like that. It's kind of cool. You know what I'm saying?

A beanie like Dane Cook. Keep your eye on them. Green flag. Yeah. Yeah, listen. I won't take nothing from you, but, um,

she, so we caught her on the cameras. Now we're on the West coast and you know how they always tell you, right? Like, Hey man, if anything comes up, give it to us.

We'll offload it. We want you to focus on football. So I kind of like doing things on my own. Right. But on this one, I'm like, all right, we're far away from home.

So Briggs is there obviously running security. And I said, Hey man, can you just have your guys deal with this and dude it was like the easiest thing in the world don't tell the girl what we know she stole just interrogate her and make her confess to what she took right like you know like if you're gonna interrogate somebody you don't let them know like hey we know you took this this this and this what else did you take well no i didn't take anything else. Yeah, you got it. Like, you make her spell out. Because if she doesn't say all the stuff we know she took, we got her on camera, then she's lying. Dude, it was like freaking the worst, you know, detective work ever.

They get her in there and they basically literally say, we know you took this, this. Exactly what I said not to do. So I lost my mind. I'm like, hey, hey man you had one job you're like build us yeah and and and you know briggs like hey for you like you for me and i'm like i'm gonna take your leg and beat you with that thing and that was the wrong thing to say because actually i love briggs briggs hello briggs too he is when you get to know him but when you're new he hates you hate you well he's got it that's like a whole british thing man like oh we're fossil period then you idiots you know we own your country like no you lost the war revolutionary yeah you lost yeah yeah we won partnered up with the damn french but but if you're

sas man regardless of whatever beat those guys are legit real deal and he was a good man so what did what did so you yelled at him in San Francisco? Bill was coming down because we were getting ready to go in the meeting room. And it was right at the start of one of those days. You know how weird it is when you're in a hotel and you've got team meeting in the big room and you have these breakout rooms. And we're sitting out there and we're going at it. And Bill basically walks over.

He's like, hey, what are we doing? I mean, what the fuck? And I was like, this guy's an asshole. and the girl got away with it man you know what oh yeah dude scott free hey by the way that's isn't that our world right like hey uh you know we're not gonna prosecute robbery oh okay that's a good idea i'm sure they'll quit by the way the guy before briggs was a madman frank Frank Mendes. Woo! Frank got the boot, and our boy Briggs, he came in when Frank chewed out the wrong guy. He was like a Kraft family member.

Frank didn't last much longer. No, no. Good man. How about that Brady roast last night? There was a part of me that wondered, how is this going to work? Live event. Live. there was a um there was a part of me that wondered how is this going to work live event live kevin i will say man as funny as that dude is on everything i've ever seen he nailed it last night man and it was so impressive to watch those guys like the professionals because i was watching the teleprompter the whole time like seeing are they gonna hate it this right

they would just like segue and do their own shit. They would say the same thing in a different way. And then, yes, like it's it's an it's fucking a skill, a true profession. And as we were talking earlier, man, like those guys support each other so much, you know, to me. Yeah. Comics like I think it's it's probably one of the most intimidating things from a professional standpoint, right? Like if you're going to get to where you're well-known and recognized, but then to sustain it, right? Yeah.

And you think about like in football analogy, right? Like winning back-to-back, that's really, really hard to do, right? We did it. We did it. And, you know, it's one of those things where we came really close at other times, but to actually do it. And so for these guys, some of these guys have had hit it. I mean, you think about a Dave Chappelle who was there last night.

You think about Burt and some of these new guys that have been rising over the last five, seven, eight years, right? How they do it, they do. Jim Gaffigan was there last night. I mean, all these iconic comedians and and what was cool was that they were all throwing a lot of love and a lot of shade to each other because i think that even though they may be competing for the same dollars or whatever right and all that there's the total love amongst all of them yeah and and and ke, though, Kevin, man, dude,

he was, man, if somebody did something, like when Gronk grabbed the wrong thing, or when, you know, or when, by the way, you see him back that teleprompter up?

I was like, he's like, no, back, back, back, back, back, back. But if you were at home, you probably have no idea. None. That was just him being Kevin. Yeah.

But he was legit, man. The whole thing was great, though. I thought it was phenomenal. The comics are kind of like the linemen. Put in the work yeah real sexy grinders yeah

all kind of weird have had trauma in their lives Quirks Burt would be a good lineman though Burt is a lineman yeah he kind of yeah

but he's looked a little skinnier than I thought like in person he's been working out he's been working out but like he has Lyman heart. Too much ego. Too much what?

Too much ego from Burt. To be a Lyman? To be a Lyman. Yeah. We can say that. He's been here. Okay. In front of the show.

In front of the show. Yeah. We gave him a joke last night. Oh, yeah, though. By the way, he was loving your set, man. I was watching Burt. Heck yes. Burt, Tom, all those guys were loving you.

You did knock out a park. Like I said earlier, I was a little intimidated for you. I was actually really worried about Gronk because he was amped up. He was amped. And he starts getting a little jittery. You know which way that golden retriever is going to go, man. He may. Hit the zoomies.

Yeah. Yeah. Hit the zoomies. Hit the zoomies. Oh, I love him. By the way, I took him hunting. This was such a special moment. And I can't wait to get him out again.

Although I don't think his missus likes the fact that he goes out and kills animals with me. But that's okay. We eat every one of them. We shot this deer. He said, light out. He goes, you know how good wild game is? I'm like yeah that's all i eat he's like no man it's like really good you ever had elk i'm like oh yeah

yeah just butchered one the other day he's like oh no kidding he goes i want to go hunt with you i'm like all right cool so i'm like hey man but you got to come out and take some shots we got to get your hunter safety course and all this stuff he's like no no i want to watch you kill that's really not you hunting, but all right. So I got this tag, and we go out. I shoot this deer, and my dog goes to track it, right, because that's what he does. My dog can't find it.

And Gronk is wearing, like, Zubas and tennis shoes, and we have to go into, like, the thick, gnarly, nasty thorns, everything. So my dog finally gets on this deer, and we're trying to keep up with it gronk's like caught in a briar patch and he's like is there ticks i'm like yeah there's a lot of ticks man i'm like you better check yourself like legit and so we finally get up on this hill and my dog stopped barking there's lots of ticks you got lyme disease isn't it a lot of ticks i've had it i've had it i do have croneshn's. Yeah. Bill noted that. Yeah, I know. That was nice. I got one for him. I got one for him. But we finally catch up to my dog.

Mike, just shut the fuck up. What did he say? Exactly. First of all, he is lucky I didn't have the mic because I would have had a field day with his ass. You got one right now? Yeah. Yeah, that's a good point. So my dog, we get to this deer and Gronk and I witnessed my dog jump on the back of

this buck and ride him down the hill and they're fighting. And he's like, we got to save your dog. I'm like, I'm not going anywhere near that. I'm like, you can go in there and say my dog, all you want.

And it was, it was classic. Did he go in? He did. And then he actually helped gut it in the whole nine. And he, uh, I gave him a whole bunch of steaks off it and

he got to eat his wild game man good man you're gonna come hunt with me at some point i well we went pheasant hunting yeah but that's not really that's kind of like we did venezuela hunting on that property and then we the guy cooked a pheasant pizza or something with the pheasant remember that oh yeah some good stuff it is good you take anyone else hunting just uh let's see saturday before we flew out out here to la we uh met up with brew and his son that was awesome yeah i had a great hunt man turkey season now i think i remember didn't you like post up on the patriot property and take some fucking deers down or something or was it a turkey i pulled up and i hunted that property forever because mr craft was like i mean look he's like i don't know anything about what you're doing i'm like all right cool it was like a green light right so i would hunt right behind a stadium where that lawton's farm close to that right yeah

and they're great people i went in one morning and uh oh this is awesome this is before practice this is before yeah and this is in the off season and uh i go to set up and one of the security guys comes over you're like the guy with like the weird lazy eye yeah and uh he's like he's like hey man you can't be here and i'm like huh i'm like no huh? I'm like, no, I'm going to park it over here. I'm going to go in here and kill this bird. I roosted him last night.

Like I know where he's at. And I'm by the way, it's three in the morning. It's dark. You know what I mean? So, and I got my backpack, I got my bow and everything ready to rock.

And, uh, he's like, no, Briggs said you can't be here. And now this is like, and this is the off season right after that little kerfuffle. So I'm like, hey, listen.

Because, you know, Briggs lives like right around the corner. He lives right on the property. Yes. I said, if Briggs doesn't want me here, go wake his ass up and tell him to come out here. Because you're not stopping me. And I'm walking right there. So I get my stuff. And he's like kind of mumbling.

And I walk right in. I set my tent up. I wait for it to get light. Bird gobbles. Flies down. Sits right next to my decoy. I shoot him. I breast him out. I take take him in i always put him in the fridge there in the meal room and uh actually some of the sometimes the chefs there would cook up some stuff for me it was awesome but anyway

as i'm eating breakfast bill walks in and he's like i mean look what are we you know what are we doing you can't you can't have a fucking weapon on stadium property. And I go, what? I go, hey, Bill, the reason you're hearing about this is because, you know, Briggs is a dickhead. I'm like, I've hunted this thing forever. He's like, I don't give a damn what you've done. You can't have a weapon on stadium property.

I go, Bill, it says you can't have a handgun. You can't have a gun. I go, I didn't shoot a gun. I didn't shoot a gun. I had a bow and arrow. He goes, this is awesome. He goes, you want to argue with me about what the rules say? I mean, the guy's pretty good at knowing what the rules are. I'm not going to lie to you.

And when he said that, I started second-guessing myself. I'm like, oh, damn, maybe it did say weapon. And so now the only thing I can pivot to i'm like i'll go i go okay bill so i check jack johnson and tom o'leary at the door too i go these are deadly that's my only thing i had right and i remember the other guys that were in the meal room like the younger guys are looking at me like damn dude like that's your head girl you probably shouldn't be saying that and bill's like hey look i don't want to hear about it don't don't bring anything on here ever again and he walked away and i'm like oh, that may not have been a great idea.

But yeah, yeah, I did. I had a little hunt that morning, and that may have been the last time I did that. How did you stay on the Pats for 11 years? I don't know. I don't know, man. I don't know. Did you ever see the video right before one of the Super Bowls? Or were you there when I did the Harry Carey?

Yeah, I see the video right before one of the Super Bowls? Or were you there when I did the Harry Carey? Yeah, I saw the video. I remember, didn't you do like a video around where he was like massaging you or something? Yeah, I thank Vrabel for the happy ending. And by the way, I did that, shot that, because you know how the, again, the defense with all their little perks. You remember how they would show a funny video the night before the game? And they would have something, and they would all be cutting up, laughing over there while we're getting dog cussed. You guys suck.

And they're like, hey, hey, hey, hey, having a great time. So Bill came up to me, or it may have been Matty P, one of the defensive coaches, and was like, hey, man, we want you to do this video. Will you do a video for us? And I used to always do Harry Carey, right? I remember. Give us a Harry carey real quick hi

mike ravel you're a good man you're a good man i love you ravel with your milky hands it's so soft essential anyway if the moon were made of spare cheese um so we would do that and have fun right and i did that video and I remember there's a security guard was it Castle in on this he may have been I was on a treadmill for a while like half naked and I don't even know why like it was just stupid stuff and I remember I had to get glasses so there's a security guard that had these big coke bottle glasses and this is like right before the Super Bowl and like I'm trying to like be serious you know like like I did take the game serious but they're like yeah you got this business I'm like oh god so the video crews video and i remember the guy had to sit in a chair and couldn't

move because he couldn't see like his like right here so this poor security guard is just sitting there forever while i'm wearing his coke bottle glasses doing some stupid harry carry bit and i remember thank god we won that super bowl because I remember Mr. Craft apparently got a hold of it and played it for all the people on his private jet on the way home because I met some of them. They're like, hey, we watched this awesome video of you on the way back from the Super Bowl. And I was like, what the? Yeah, I don't know, man. I think that's why they kept me.

It wasn't my stellar play. I can tell you that much. You didn't get cut? You got cut? No, no, no. I'm just saying. That's why they what? I think that's why I made it as long as I did.

Oh. Bill was like, oh, he's going to do something stupid. Yeah. Fucking Bill. Take us back to Ohio. What was the young man like? I wanted to be a game warden until I found out that they don't get paid very much money. You know what's crazy, man?

Grew up in a small little town, home of Andy Oakley. Yeah, little Miss Sure Shot. You know anything about her? No. Wow, Bill Hickok. No. I went to Kent State. I don't know anything about her.

She was like little Miss Sure Shot? She had to feed her family? Absolutely not, Matt. Oh, man, wow. This is terrible. Okay, so anyway, so you're not going to probably go to the Andy Oakley Museum or Garth's Museum. That's not a big deal. Small little town, big is terrible. Okay, so anyway, so you're not going to probably go to the Antiochian Museum or Garth's Museum. That's not a big deal.

Small little town, big farming community. I'd never seen a game until I played in one, right? So I didn't know Purdue was in the Big Ten. I'd never seen a college game. My dad, severe polio growing up, right? We didn't do sports. We were into the outdoors, you know, pre-1800 encampments, running around, doing crazy stuff stuff hawk and knife competition

hunting fishing did you watch that espn stuff like where they would do like the axing and they loved it yeah and then it was the best man i used to watch it you ever watch uh you guys you guys know who marty stouffer is you ever heard that name no i'm marty stouffer welcome to our wild america that's like my favorite show growing up dude he like take you out and show you neat things like here's a pine martin they're really clever and he like film them i mean it was awesome dude it's almost like bob ross meets you know like david attenborough david yeah there we go without the british accent david attenborough is a badass sir sir by the way sir Sir David Attenborough. So anyway, that was my world, man.

Growing up, small little town. I had no idea you could get a scholarship. You played high school football. Oh, yeah, man. My mom did not want me around. So I played peewee. I was in football all my life. And terrible.

Really terrible. I was a tight end. I went to Purdue as a tight end. For some unknown reason. I never did anything athletic ever. I was was a tight end. I went to Purdue as a tight end. For some unknown reason, I never did anything athletic ever. I was never a tight end in high school. You keep on saying that, bro. You're like an undersized tackle. You have to be athletic. Well, no. I have decent short space quickness, I think is what they said.

Here's an awesome one, right? For you, how did they describe you for the combine? Do you remember the write-up for the combine do you remember that you do remember the write-up for yourself quicker than fast doesn't have a position you guys have this write-up can you guys research this write-up yeah yeah okay go ahead keep going quicker than fast doesn't have a position played against shitty talent this sounds this is depressing i wasn't going this route get it out though get it over with. They were wrong. They were dead wrong.

Yeah. They were. But they describe things, right? Like, what I'm getting at is white guys, smart, works hard. Yeah. Yeah. Effort. Effort guy.

Effort guy. Yeah, effort guy. I love how all white guys are effort guys. Effort guys. You know what I mean? Like, blazing speed. Nope. He's an effort guy. You know what I mean? Like blazing speed. Nope. He's an effort guy. Loves the game.

He's a gym rat. Loves the game. Is in there. I'm looking here. Ken State staff comments on Julian Edelman from fall 2008. Upper echelon worker. Knows his physical limitations. Likes to BS.

It's a lot better than what you said. Likes to BS. What's that mean? Bullshit. I wonder if he'll start a podcast. Like yelling at people? I don't know. We do love to bullshit.

Once the ball in his hands, football instincts will help him as a wide receiver. Has the feet to play defensive back. They're right about that. Yeah, they were. Most competitive guy I've ever coached. See, but that's pretty good remarks. You know what mine said? What did yours say?

All right, so there's a lot of things that you can say about an offensive lineman, right? They talk about lower body strength, has a good wingspan, real good punch, great drive off the ball, initial contact, you know, drops his hips. I mean, there's all kind of really short space quickness, blah, blah, blah, blah. None of that was said for me you know you know mine said i swear to god basically mine was he's coachable that's it that's it he's coachable and i don't even know why that would even translate to anything that would actually help me get drafted but basically i was coachable and having never seen anything never seen a draft

in my life when i got got drafted by New England, I thought I was going to some other country. I didn't know where New England was either. I had no clue, man. I wouldn't have been able to throw a dart and come close. No, I knew because of Madden.

I didn't know where Foxborough was though. Never heard of it. Cause you guys were winning Superbowl. So I used to play with you guys every once in a while. Yeah. Came relevant. Yeah. So that was my world,

man. Like I didn't know anything about the game of football. Um, you know, I was so blessed to do it. and relevant. Yeah, so that was my world, man. I didn't know anything about the game of football. You know, blessed to do it. And honestly, man, you know, just the people we got in those early years especially, man. You know, I think back on these guys, these guys like Roman Pfeiffer and Grant Williams and so many guys that, you know, Rodney, man, you know, Jermaine Wiggins, you know, gosh, man, we had Mike Comptons. We had all these guys that we didn't have our, you know, we weren't individually announced.

You know, that was a big deal. But that's because none of us, you know, were above the other. You know what I mean? a big deal but that's because none of us you know were above the other yeah you know i mean like i used to always say this man bill could do it the way he did it and he could drive all of our dicks in the dirt every single day because we were all in the same pit of despair if if there was somebody that was up on a ledge looking down on us that was a teammate it wouldn't have worked no you know when you and by the way there were times that he did show some favoritism. That's when things got ugly in the locker room. Defense.

100%. If we had a good practice on offense, we had a bad practice as a team. If we dominated the defense, we had a bad practice. No doubt. There were guys that he did put on a little bit of a pedestal,

and it created problems. Who? Like an AD. When AD got there. Oh. You know what I'm saying? Like there was some deference shown in certain ways. I mean, you know, like he didn't let Tommy off anything.

Like if there was an issue, it was coming out in the team meeting room, full tilt with the number one guy in the league he did not care no but i think that's why you know when you're all in the same pit together if you don't rally as a group it gets real bad it does we all dragging our dicks in the dirt together that's a fact now you play with drew breeson at purdue any good drew brees stories how was drew love that guy man guy has not changed to this day yeah well he has actually get that scar removed pernick what is it pernick what is a pernick we named it we did we actually named it and we had the rookies doing rookie skits at purdue and one of my

favorite ones was we talked these guys into gluing a dry eraser to their face to represent pernick because dude pernick used to be real hairy i'm talking like that was like a chinchilla and hey look man god love him you know and Pernick's a good guy too. But we had some fun, man. You know, we had so much fun at Purdue that I think they still talk about our era going through there. And to a degree, I kind of feel the same way about our time in New England. Oh, yeah.

We had so much fun. We did it at such a high level. But we, you know, after games, we all went out together oh yeah you know but and i think that's the one thing that i look at now and i feel i feel kind of sorry for these guys you know it's a different world but if you have strong leaders you can still have fun as a team yeah i don't think that but you had to sacrifice man somebody has to plan it somebody has to take the time to organize it and get them together and i don't think guys are as willing to do that today as we were back in the day because everybody's got a

brand everybody's got something they want to push and what they don't realize is is that man when you take the time to do those little things like we had the fat man cup series 2000 go-kart race we ruined every go-kart we We probably put this place out of business. It was all the linemen. It was awesome. Wrecked them all the time. You were the one planning all this stuff, right? I mean, it was me, but it was also guys like Joe Andrews.

I mean, you know, it was typical offensive guys. They were smarter than most of the people. I mean, I say it all the time on TV. And, by the way, you remember how great those Halloween parties were. I didn't go. I was too young. Really? Yeah, and it wasn't cool enough yet.

Oh, man. I didn't get to go to the infamous one where Bill came as a pirate. It was fitting. It was damn fitting. I can remember this about you man i remember you know and i know you had this all the time too but people you know whenever you had a break during camp or you know whatever or you're talking to somebody people ask you like man who's the new dude in camp that impresses you and i remember i was like hey man i don't know how it's gonna work

out but this little edelman dude this this kid wants it. He's going to be a damn good player. And I'm like, oh, man, I don't even know that. I think I heard that. And I'm like, no, trust me, man. This kid's going to be unbelievable. And I remember saying that about you and people kind of like balking at the idea. And then it didn't take long, man. I mean, hats off, man, your career.

I wish we played longer together. I do too because I used to hang out with the Lyman guys a little bit. Oh, yeah. You're smart. I'd go hang out with you guys. I was a young player in Thanksgivings and holiday stuff. You guys always invited me over, and I'd always go over to the house. And you guys just – I used to call you Big Bear Gulch, and I was Little Gipper.

Little Gipper. Little Gipper. I was a little gipper little gipper little gipper my little kid you know and he always you know matt was a fucking superstar already at the time and you know when you're a young guy and you have one of your premier players on the team that's like putting his arm around you like that gives a younger guy so much confidence and like that sense of belonging you know which you don't feel that a lot were you 09 i was 09 that's right your tommy came back together you know you know what i remember man i i stuck around till 11 oh i remember you told me in the shower you told me in the shower i go because i didn't play that much in the super Bowl. And I remember I'd go up and I'd always ask you after a game, like, hey, did you come out healthy, man?

You good? And you're like, I'm done, bubs. Or you said, I'm done. I retire. Right in the shower, remember that? I do. You know what, man? With a year on my contract,

the only thing I was thinking about at that time was it was probably the best season I had in my career. Yeah. I mean, obviously we didn't win when it mattered the most and that's fine you know that's football right but to me it was like man and my daughter was closer to being out of my home than in my home Jesus and the realization at that time was you know what's like what is truly most important I mean look I was having fun I always had fun but but it was there was a cultural shift my last few years

right so when you came in on 09 that's when i started to sense that guys like i don't know if you remember this i used to walk through the locker room and knock guys phones out of their hand and be like hey man you know that guy right next to you like you're number 30 he's 31 and you guys should talk to each other this is really awesome i'm like this would be really cool look at you guys look at you guys there was a there was a a shift in in how we did things it was hard to get guys to do stuff off the field together you know i mean and i started to get a little jaded by it's like you put effort into it and you want these guys to come out and do things and i think looking back on a man i've had guys come to me and be like man you know what i miss the most is is just being around guys that i trust yeah and that's a big part of leaving the game too right you know all the fun moments all the winning you know even the losing you know the

crazy moments getting a jack whatever i mean i loved all the craziness and i love the fights man i man i miss that the most and it's hard to do that in the real world. You can't. It's a street fight. It just doesn't work real well. You guys tried that. Where was it? We did.

At the casino? Yeah, at the casino. I remember that hole. That was a big lawsuit. You know what I love about that one? They put, you know how we were always playing cards in the locker room? Yeah. We'd play euchre and all this stuff.

They took a picture and blurred out the lockers in the background and put that as the headline picture like it was me at a casino. But it was me in the locker room. Like I knew where the picture came from. They're so sneaky. Sneaky. So sneaky. We'll be right back after this quick break.

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This is a segment where we go back around where the game took place, December 26th, 2010. We talk a little bit about pop culture number one movie was little fuckers you remember that you watch a movie i did yeah oh yeah love a little near action yeah comedy uh-huh uh-huh number one song was fireworks by katie perry man i remember this shit it doesn't seem that long ago was that did she do that one when she was on the elephant for the super bowl oh was that like this it might have been let me double check on that i remember

that whole like a lot of pyrotechnics and a giant elephant remember that i don't look like a halftime show right it was the shark plushy things left shark yeah i remember i don't one shark was animated and one shark was like kind of dead I don't remember that. Weird. Around this time, December 19th, the Philadelphia Eagles beat the New York Jets in the miracle at the Meadowlands. You know how many times you watch that goddamn film where you're not supposed to kick it to fucking Deshaun Jackson? Oh, my gosh.

How many times do you watch this after this? It's, no. Look, asshole, just punt the fucking ball out of bounds. There are certain plays that he would bring up five years after the fact every year we went over the goddamn free kick oh every friday and it hadn't been used since 1982 the one where you you fit you you fair catch a punt and you get to line up and have a free kick at the end of half. Yes. Well, there's a lot of things like that, though. I'm sure you can dig up a lot of things that were brought up over and over again, practiced even ad nauseum, and then executed at some point, which is kind of crazy.

No, I mean – Two-point play, that two-point play we had. Which two-point play are you talking? No, it was years ago. It was Kay Falk's two-point play. Yeah, where Tom and it was it was kevin falk because it was always k falk's two-point play yeah where tom would go yes that's right and it was it was just like a up the gut kind of a misdirection zero they'd throw the fade light in the box you run the kevin falk we use that for like 10 years uh december 14th hulk hogan marries his second wife jennifer mcdaniel shout out h Dude, Hulk Hogan still looks good, man.

Is he still looking good? I haven't seen him in a minute. He's still rocking it. Yeah, down in Florida. You haven't aged a bit. Thank you. You look good. It means a lot.

Gosh. You look good. You look better. A little gray. I'm gray as fuck. You're getting there, but that's distinguished, though. I like it. Whatever. Tron Legacy, The Fighter, True Grit, Love, and Other Drugs.

I remember that. Was that the general hall? Yeah. General hall about Viagra? Yep. That was a good one. Good one. We're all popping off in the box office.

Shout out to Irish Mickey Ward and The Fighter, baby. You ever hang out with Mick? I have, man. Yeah, he did a bunch of charity stuff. I did my first charity event. It was with him and the Dropkick Murphys. Great. Great group, man.

Sounds like the most Boston event ever. Right? Hardcore. You know, Brian Fox painted Mickey Ward for the opener for that movie. He did the thing for the premiere, and my daughter got to paint on that. Her brush strokes were still on it. We went to his studio, and my daughter was really paint on that. Her brush strokes were still on it. We went to his studio and my daughter was really into art at the time

and B. Fox was like, yeah, bring her over. By the way, he's one of the best. I don't know if you have any of his stuff in here, but he's the best. In the sports world in 2010, Super Bowl champions were the Packers. NFL MVP was Tom Brady.

We heard the stat. Anytime a team had MVP, they never won the championship. Remember that? And honestly, by the way, it kind of blew my mind. I never even heard that before he brought that up. Yeah. It was like 15, 20 years drop. You guys beat that Packers team this year, yeah?

2010. It would have been at their place, right? No, we didn't. Were we on the road there? No, Green Bay came to Gillette 31-27. Week 15. We beat them? Yep.

We were good this year. We were 14-2 this year, weren't we? Yep. Jesus. Heck of a team. Giants won the World Series. Can you tell us about the Tiger scandal? Do you have any stories about that?

Remember Bill giving the 45-minute presentation on why Tiger Woods is Tiger Woods? I do remember that. And then Randy, as soon as it broke, went out to practice and was like, Hey, Bill. Hey, Bill. How about Tiger fucking Woods now? Remember that? Yeah, I do remember that.

Remember that? I do remember that. Bill just twirling his whistle. That fucking asshole. Oh, my God is the best. And Randy, he was never with the offense. He'd always be with Will Fork on the defensive side, stretching. Not really stretching, just talking.

He was always the last guy in the meeting room, too, for the morning meeting. Remember that? Oh, yeah. Like, I'm talking like, as Bill was walking in, the door was just closing behind Randy, too. And I'm like, damn, man. Because if you were half a second late, that was payroll deduct. I'm talking, if the door was was shut and you weren't in your seat

and Bill walked in there, I mean, that was a bad feeling. Terrible. Really bad feeling. And I remember one time I had the Randy Moss mask. I put my sweats on. I got his extra pair of sweats with his number, which didn't fit real well, and I sat in his seat. Remember how he always used to sit with his big-ass legs way back

and he'd back in his thing with his hood up. And dude, when you have that stuff on, you look just like him. Like that mask was amazing. And so when he walked in, I just stood up and was like, straight cash, little homie. You know? And I remember Bill was just walking in too and he's looking at me like, you know, Randy.

Like, damn, Mike, come on. You're an idiot. Jack set the stage for the Buffalo Bills on this match. This was back when the Bills were the Bills that we know and love. The little brothers just got the shit kicked out of them. Record 4-12. First year of the illustrious Chan Gailey era. Drafted CJ Spiller ninth overall.

He was a rookie this year. Started the year 0-8. 0-8. This was the year Marshawn Lynch got traded to Seattle uh and this was around the time that remember there was talk of the Bills moving to Toronto yeah they played a home game there played a home game uh in week nine against the Bears lost up in Toronto this was uh the year of Fitz Magic Brian Brom Trent Edwards all made starts for the Bills this year. The lone pro bowler was Kyle Williams, the defensive tackle.

He's a monster. He's legit. He was a beast. That dude was a world horse. He played for a long time, too. A long time, man. This was a team with some other dudes of like Roscoe Parrish, Lee Evans, Leotis McKelvin, speaking of another classic Bill, Stevie Johnson.

Fred Jackson was a beast this year. Great releases, Stevie Johnson. But, yeah, not a great Bills team, 4-12. Yep. Finished fourth in the AFC East. Later, how did you feel about the Bills back in these days? God, I loved beating them up. You know what it was?

It was one of those things where on the road, loved playing in Buffalo. Why? Loved it. I loved the atmosphere. You roll in there first of all they're the kind of fans that they're gonna try to piss on your van on the bus as it rolls by but then they're gonna high five you when it's a good game you know i mean like they're true football fans they love their bills love them it no matter what hell or high water man they're gonna be there they're gonna support them they're burning trash can you know it's it's not like when you're in oakland and you see like the the chaos like mad max meets you know fandom

it's like like that's a crazy scene that's crazy but those guys do get it on but they're doing crazy stuff i remember watching a dude like belly dive onto a table full of beers i'm like that's redneck there we go go get a buddy i've never been flipped off by such a crazy age group difference from like six-year-olds to like 95 year old women yeah after you go in you whoop their ass and old orchard it's the best man i remember you didn't you steal a fucking used to steal the amazing memory you have amazing memory you used to steal the stools yeah Yeah. Like I said, I'm not stealing anything from you, but I have been looking. I did. And by the way, that stool is in my house right now.

My kids use it all the time to get on the counters. That stool was cool because it was very Buffalo-like. It wasn't real ornate. It was nice and square. It has to be, I'm going to say, quarter sawn white oak is where I'm going. Quarter sawn white oak. Yep. And it's real beefy, so it wasn't ornate in any way, but very solid, very firm, very heavy.

It has a big round top to it, and in the center has a recessed brass plate with the number 72. And I remember I searched all through the locker room to find the right one, and then I put it in my equipment bag. I remember. This was in the visiting locker room? Oh, yeah, man. I tried to steal something from every visiting. You know, my most favorite stool is KC.

You stole stools from everywhere? From almost every place we went to. But, by the way, you know this. Not every very few – I bet you none of them today really have stools. Yeah. They did the build-in. So it was the last year of the old Arrowhead Stadium, and they had, now this is probably Coruscant White Oak too,

but it was stained, and it was nice, and it was turned on the lathe. All the legs were real nice. And it has the Arrowhead with the KC logo engraved in. No 72, but it's that's awesome yeah i remember i remember you were trying to put that thing in your bag or something i got it and what was it bros remember was that the old equipment guy he's like yeah we can't do this or something i'm like yes you can yeah yeah is that was that the move to shove it in the duffel bag and get out of there yeah because they're huge right because they got you get all your pads and all your stuff right what's your favorite thing you stole from another stadium

like listen is there statute of limitations i mean i'm not going to jail on your podcast double jeopardy bro it's gone that's a good point yeah yeah it can't be tried twice there's no way gosh man the best thing ever hey you know so some of my favorite stuff that I have hanging now, we just moved down to Chepachet, Rhode Island. And in the move, I found some stuff that I had ganked from the Super Bowls. So, again, I was always the first guy off the field, right? It was like my goal to get to the bar as quickly as possible. Bar Louie's, baby.

And I would rip down all these banners i remember just jumping up and just running ting ting ting ting ting ting wadding it up throwing it ting ting ting ting and i have all these really awesome banners from the super bowl eras like the ones that hang in the hotel yeah yeah when we get the hotel i couldn't stop myself there either they'd be like hanging off like a big atrium and i'd find my way up in there and like, zing, zing, zing, zing, zing. Can we just get it? What is your craziest prank that you did as a New England Patriot?

Okay, so I would say probably the best one that I did on a team. I mean, the best one I've done, period, was having some guys pulled off their private jet that was that was one of the greatest of all time man what do you mean i mean i and by the way i did have a guy and you can look this one up i just did a full video on it i had a guy kill a turkey and he thought it was the world record albino osceola and osceola is only found in florida it's a it's a version of a turkey right it's a subspecies. And he went hunting with me.

But what he actually killed was a broad-breasted white turkey that was farm-raised. And, like, literally, I got a double-wide in some guy's backyard. And I just put it out in the woods. And he shot it. And he snuck up on it. I told him that if you squat down like a sumo wrestler and carry a fake turkey tail fan, that you can walk right up on him. But you cannot do that he did it and he practiced it for a while and it's one of the funniest things ever i have it on video like by the way i was right next to him when he shot it

but he had no idea i was in a full ghillie suit in a palmetto bush snake almost bit me and and when he he sneaks up on it i swear to god when the turkey saw him it was like oh thank god there's a human i've been out here in a while like what it was like, oh, thank God, there's a human. I've been out here in a while. Like, what the hell? Like, he came from, like, literally a guy's backyard. And so he shoots and misses him. And the bird, he was so fat he could barely walk.

44 pounds. Like, dude, that's twice as big as any bird. And he started walking my way. I'm like, this is how I die. Being a dumbass. This is how I die. And thank God he didn't shoot me but anyway he my brother calls him as the head of Florida Game and Fish I made up 200 copies of a magazine where he's on the cover

and he thought like I'm dead serious dude this is I mean I put a lot of effort into this a year later he gets up on stage at the shootout where we sold the hunt to begin with and I said Jamie you got to come up here and help me sell this thing man I'm like it's gonna go for big money you just shot the and so he gets up and he's talking about how he killed the moby dick of turkey he's the tom brady of turkey hunt i got it all on video i had my guys there wearing florida game and fish collared shirts that i had made up because they were there to get content for their website because they're getting ready to launch it they brought 200 advanced copies of the magazine he's signing the magazines for people at the event like you can't make this stuff up right he had it mounted the a farm raised bird mounted so up on stage he's

talking about all this stuff i i'm the tom brady of turkey hunting i killed the moby dick of turkey and then i said well you know what we actually have this on film why don't we roll it and in front of 500 people a year later he finds out it shows me getting the bird and he's on stage like are you serious like all this realization it's one of the greatest videos you'll ever watch man we laugh so hard didn't you do a prank on uh one of our tight ends and it got real bad almost. Uh-oh. Did I? On a tight end? Didn't you move Hernandez's car or something and he got super mad?

Oh, he was fired up. Well, no, you know why. Oh, no, no, hold on. That wasn't Hernandez. That was his counterpart in Florida. Spikes. Spikes. That's exactly who that was.

Yeah, by the way, Hernandez and I did not get off on the right foot because I was the guy that had a hog head in my truck. That was weird. You remember Donald Duck? Yeah, you put a duck in his locker. I did put a duck. By the way, for two days he had no idea. It was a live duck, not a dead

duck. I would never do that. A live duck in his locker. A live duck in the locker room. And it was quacking and everything else and he must have thought it was just like us messing around with him i'm like at what point is he like the thing needed water like it was terrible anyway he took it home by the way the duck is still alive i'm not just saying that like duck's fine don't don't think duck's in trouble his name is donald his name was not donald duck but we did say that we used to get him all those little ducks and they have a whole bunch of them like one looks like a ballerina and you know like a little one anyway i put it and then somebody was like hey man you know he's the guy that got busted smoking weed at florida state i'm like sweet or

florida i'm like this is awesome so i took his hog's head and i put it in there and i rolled up a piece of paper painted it red on one end and i stuck it in the hog's mouth and i said hey welcome to the team it's time to go hog wild and i thought that was funny i found out when he walked in he was not impressed and i was like that's kind of a dick kind of dick so anyway neither here nor there spikes i watched him pull up a patriot place and get out of his his his whatever the car was and he had a handicap thing that he put in his windshield and i'm like mother trucker like by the way that is a total dick move can't do that you can't do that can't do that we're at the stadium in a player lot and by the way he it's not like he blends in he he was wearing like a full like

mink fur coat or something i don't know but like he did kind of he was kind of a pimp. He was crazy. You remember when he brought to the craft wedding? Yes. I don't know where he hired her, but that was some crazy stuff. So when I saw that, I'm like, no, that can't happen. And there was a part of me being an old timer. I'm like, that's just not right. So I stole his car. I still have that.

I still have the handicap sign that he put in. It's in my room. Where did you put the car? i put it over by the bubble and he was so like he he wanted the smartest one out there he was so dumb he could not figure out he came to me and was like did you take my car i'm like no and he's like all right and like three days later i'm like has the guy got his car he didn't like nah uh-uh like days and days go by i'm like oh this guy's troubled very troubled jackie break down these new england patriots oh man this was a heck of a year for the pats 14 and 2 best record in the league won 11 of the last 12 games coming off a season where we

went 10 and 6 um lost dean peas in the offseason d D.C. Dean fucking Pease in that Blade Zero. That's right. Randy sealed him all day long about that. Yes. Every walk through at the start of practice, Randy walked out, Dean Pease in that fucking Blade Zero, lost me a Super Bowl ring. Speaking of Randy, Randy was traded to Minnesota this October. Also in October, Deion Branch came back.

This was the year Tom Brady won MVP, as we talked about earlier. Jules, this was your second season in the league. When they traded Randy, I thought I was going to get some more opportunity. I was like, yeah, it's my shot. It's my shot. Two days later, we bring in Branch. Didn't sniff the offensive field yet. Son of a gun.

Oh, man. Love Deion, though. Dirty. The best. didn't sniff the offensive field yet oh man but this was also dirty the best a lot of pro bowlers on this team too tom west matt logan mankins big vince mayo mccourty brandon merriweather frabel was on this team i mean this was a this was a heck of a patriots team who was your biggest bash bro was it but manx logan that dude was a fucking the best man i tell you what you remember my Patriots team. Who was your biggest bash, bro? Was it Minks? Logan? That dude was a fucking... The best. Man, I tell you what. You remember his hands? Yeah, they're like five hands.

They are like five. And his wrist articulates in some weird snake-like... I don't know. It's impressive. That's why he can grab. And you remember when he did the old uppercut?

You remember when he got kicked out? No. He punched some dude in the nuts. I don't know. Was I there? Oh, it was awesome. So great.

Anyway, and Logan wasn't dirty ever, but that dude played with an edge. And I can honestly say that we had so much fun as a unit, like whether it was Logan or, you know, Seabass or Cope. I mean, all the or Cope. Neil. Steve. I love Steve. He's a legend. You remember the Four Locos?

Remember when they banned the Four Locos, he bought a crate of it and had it in his house? I saw him drink six in one night. You shouldn't be alive. No, you shouldn't. One is a bad idea. Two is kind of stupid. He was indestructible, man. No, Steve was a monster.

He could barely lift his arm when he was fucking playing. Remember that? He'd have those shoulder braces on. Oh, his shoulders were in trouble, man. You know, he was the only guy that could get knocked down and get back up and still be blocking this guy. Nothing he did technique-wise was what Scar wanted. Finally, Scar was just like, you know what, Steve?

You're winning, so I'm just – you're good. Just do what you do. I remember one time we had a party at Russ Hochstein's, and he got lost in the woods. And he woke up, and he had like 700 mosquito bites on him because he was like literally in the woods. And the next day, like that day he woke up, we had to go in for our physical, our off-season physical.

And he shows up, And we're all wondering. We didn't know what happened to him. We kind of thought maybe he made his way home, but he lived a long way from there. And his car was still there. So we're like, we don't know what. Well, he passed out in the woods. And when he showed up, he's on the table. And they're doing the EKG.

You know, they start with that. And he's got leaves stuck to him in random spots. And welts all over his body. Fucking Neil. Neil was awesome. I went to house in san diego when we went out there remember we went out there yeah oh yeah and he did a lot for bakersfield he loved that wrestling community that guy was i mean he was a pro wrestler he beat brock lesnar as in the world championships i think he did i think he won the collegiate title heavyweight the greco-roman and the freestyle all in the same year and i think he did. I think he won the collegiate title, heavyweight, the Greco-Roman, and the freestyle all in the same year. I think he was the first guy to ever do that.

Yeah, he was a bad man. Bad man, yep. Now, what makes Dante Scarnacchio such a great coach? First of all, it's a combination. If you want to talk about an angry, angry individual, just mix. I'm dead serious, man. you don't see this very often when italians and mexicans mate you get a dante skarnec you just see what i'm saying like like there's something in there man because like very driven very like like fiery chip yeah you know like you know, like when you have that, so it's kind of like the Italian intensity, right?

Like that, you know, kind of like rip your heart out, like mafia kind of thing with like a Mexican, like crazy, like a little yapping dog, you know? Because he wasn't big, but big guys definitely feared him right oh he scared people hell yeah like and he coached like some of the biggest monsters out there and we were all like yep we got you coach we're in taskmaster you get military background right um uop coach forever go goes all the way back to like you know the beginning um was that uh smu when they got the death penalty there and then he went to uop right yes yes and was it like there's a bunch of

dudes that came from uop he coached by the way he was in a made for tv movie i don't know if you know this or not and there is evidence of it. Actually, I had the video. We played it one time in our meeting room, and it was the Pittsburgh and the Steeler kid. You can look this up. Pittsburgh and the Steeler kid, and it was like a Monday night special, back when Monday night specials were a big deal, and it had Mean Joe Green and all these other guys,

and Dante was a coach, played a good role, and I remember, I forget what his lines were but I used to say him to him like randomly of course like nobody knew that this movie existed and I and he knew it but he knew but uh no he was you know what man um nobody worked harder than him on the staff I mean a lot worked as hard I think but nobody worked harder than him he was the first one in the building first First in, last out. 3 a.m. he'd get there. And he'd go to bat for us too, man.

Like, we butted heads. Like, you know, we went at it, but always had a healthy respect for him because if there were things in that game plan, you know, whether it was the coordinator's idea or Bill's idea, and Dante looked at it and said and said yeah that ain't gonna work he's not gonna just hang us out and be like look this is what they want so we gotta do it he's gonna go there and be like nah yeah you know i'm saying and i think that's a big deal i i don't know what it's like on other staffs man i was on one staff my entire career but i can tell you one

thing you know when we went into our openers i mean hell if i a problem, I'm sure you even said things at times, right? Like, no, I don't think we should run that early. Or I'm not feeling that one. And there was input like that. I don't think that's probably normal in every situation. No. What impressed me with Coach Scar, and I saw it when we had a different line coach when he took a year away.

Remember that? He left for a year or something. Scar could break down the actual technique, and it wouldn't be nice how he would say to Lyme, he'd be like, you fat fuck, you drop your left leg, and he would tell you what to do. Oh, yeah. Which other guys are like, that's not even acceptable,

or you can't do this. He would literally say, you know, you got to do this, drop your, and that's like, he would tell you what you had to do yeah and he'd tell you where you stood he'd tell you how bad you sucked i mean listen to your ass eyes did you ever see when i did the dante skarnecchia motherfucking instructional video how to motherfuck people in the submission no oh explain it unbelievable so rookies were doing a terrible job with their rookie skits one year. And I'm like, we got to do something to make them laugh. So I brought my stuff because I lived in Foxborough and, you know, we stayed the residence in

and you're trapped in that hotel for a month during training camp. So I brought my film equipment in and we sat there in the residence in and shot this thing with the rookies and I directed it. And it was basically like if you watch like one of those not an infomercial but like where they're selling things on tv you know like so it was like you want to learn it started out with one of the rookies and i can't remember this kid's name he was a lineman you want to learn how to people are you tired of being taken advantage of as a leader do you want to get your people to get in line

are you not being as productive as you know you Do you want to get your people to get in line? Are you not being as productive as you know you could be? Well, here's your chance. Dante Skarnecchia's padded system designed to motherfuck everybody into submission. And it was amazing because I wrote down every one of his sayings for years and years. I always had a notepad. Like if I was awake, it was just to do something stupid like that. And so i had every one of his sayings and we had a scrolling list and it was playing this it was playing the song i thought this was awesome i will be your father figure put your tiny hand in mine you know that song yes and it's playing in the background i thought that was so awesome it was like little things that i found funny probably if nobody else did but it's like and then i had ryan o'callaghan was the voiceover for

you'll learn the classics like if you don't think that shit sucks you can go fuck yourself and it just kept listing all these classic what were some of his sayings oh oh ass eyes he loved to call people ass eyes um you're not worth hammered shit remember him saying that that's not worth hammered shit if you think that shit's the way to go with it you can go i mean like it like just kept listing them all the way down and then what i thought was a stroke of genius i had steve neal and myself we sat in front you know they had the curtains at the residence and we were on the first floor so there was a light outside but it was dark and so i shot and it was a silhouette so it was like t the Tiger. You could just see our silhouette.

We sat there and made it look like we were talking, but we made the rookies say it. No, we said it. We had the rookies be the silhouette. I would be like, Steve's like, I've been in Dante Skarniecki's motherfucking system for four years now. I can honestly tell you it works. That guy can really fuck you. He's giving a testimonial. Then like he's like giving a testimonial.

And then there's another guy giving a testimonial. So we play that for the rookie skits. I turn around to see Dante's expression. He's just like stone cold, just like looking at the screen. No emotion. I look over at Bill. Bill's like, because you know how much Bill loved the rookie skits. Loved them.

Oh, my gosh. We were talking about them last night at the roast. Yeah. What's your best Ernie Adams story? We had him out here oh my god oh you know what i knew that somebody told me that you had him here and i have to go watch that because i i'm sure you're exactly the same way love ernie i love ernie oh my gosh by the way genius in the markets back in the day oh yeah i asked him like what's i used to ask him all the time. Everyone heard the rumors that he made Bill a bunch of money in the market or something.

Yeah, he was on a trading floor, man. That guy was in it. Commodities, the whole nine. He gave us some stock. Yeah, we went to dinner and picked his brain about it afterwards. What was the tip you gave? I remember one. Invest in what you know.

Yes. By the way, that's some of the best advice. That truly is the key right there. And then he said, if you wouldn't buy the whole company, don't buy a single know. Yes. By the way, that's some of the best advice. That truly is the key right there. And then he said, if you wouldn't buy the whole company, don't buy a single share. Wow. Which I thought was pretty good. Yeah, good words. Hey, I'm going to tell you my favorite Ernie Adams moment of all time.

And this is unbelievable. I think I remember where this is going. Go ahead. At practice? The plane. Oh, my God, man. Did you guys talk about that? No.

Oh, how did you not talk about that? Because I wasn't there. Oh, my God, man. Did you guys talk about that? No. Oh, how did you not talk about that? Because I wasn't there. Oh, my God. So this is so amazing. So our practice fields are right outside the stadium, and we have this upper field, and we're at practice, and there is a plane coming over, and I'm sure it's going to one of the air bases, right?

But it's like a C-130. And I'm not kidding you. We can see the air bases right but it's like a c-130 and I'm not kidding you we can see it come actually we can feel it coming and I remember looking and I'm like oh and I can see the pilot's expression on his face like I'm not just saying that man like I can still see it to this day and I remember thinking that's going to hit right where I'm standing because the angle it was coming at it looked like it definitely blown up the stadium for sure man and I'm looking at this and by the way everybody stops like nobody stops during practice wasn't like their fans were there

wasn't during training camp this like during the season and these two nut sacks and they probably got demoted big time dude because I know they got in trouble for doing this shit. They're like buzzing a tower, you know? Yeah. Go ahead, Maverick. And here they come. And as I'm watching this, my dumb ass should have been doing what Ernie was doing. Because the only smart guy on that entire field was Ernie.

And he's running. By the way, I never saw Ernie run like this. He's running Mach 5 away from the danger. And I remember thinking at the time like he's the only smart one i'm definitely dying i'm definitely dying and that is still in my head i can still see him running i mean the clipboard went flying i'm not kidding you dude he's the only single person that ran away from danger and that dude buzzes the tower and then when he cleared the stadium we're all like oh and then i thought he was going to hit that big water tank yeah and dude he banked

right and that water tank is what i don't know 40 feet off the ground it's not like it's a thousand feet he's on the surface and didn't die but anyway ernie ad Adams was the only one that ran away from it. Fucking Ernie. Genius. Erna. Oh, love that guy. Jesus. We had him. So when we played, I don't know if we talked about it on the episode.

We were playing the Super Bowl. And we were at, I think, Houston. And there was like a rim around the football field. You know the old school fields that used to have that cement rim for the track? Yep. Well, Ernie somehow fell down in the middle of practice, hits his head. He's

bleeding profusely out of his head. Joker goes, gets seven, eight stitches, comes back out for practice. That's a man man he had the full wrap on his head didn't he yes dude you couldn't be a player today to do that no these guys are soft today man are they the players today and by the way it's not i don't really put that in as as their fault and not all of them there's some football playing jesse's out there like i think i

told you this man like david David Andrews is a throwback. If I had to take a guy that's in New England right now that I love the way he plays, I like his style, I like his approach to the game, David would be it. I think he's a great voice in that locker room for a lot of reasons. Man, I'll tell you what, man. The violent side of the game, what I love the most, and not just to be violent. Football is a violent sport. You should want to try to knock the guy out across the line from what I love the most, and not just to be violent. Football is a violent sport. You should want to try to knock the guy out across the line from you, legally.

Yeah, legally. But in today's world, man, how in the world do you prepare yourself? You know, the league has a real problem, a legit problem on their hands. And it's being masked by FanDuel and all these gambling sites, right, because the revenue is still coming in. But the passion, the average fan, and the rabid fan has left the game in droves, and that's not a good thing for football. No, yeah.

You know what I'm saying? Like, look at it in terms of jersey sales and all that other stuff. Like, there's only so much that Taylor's, the Swifties can do, okay? Like, keep going down that road. See how that pans out. that pans out you know i mean like we need football playing jess we need to bring the violence back we need to allow these guys to blow people up over the middle i mean can't though we we we as players sued the owners so the owners are going to sit there and say we're changing the rules. Yeah, but not really, though. I mean, not really, though. I mean, the lawsuits you're talking about more on the concussive side,

those were in play long before, and those are just a function of doing business. You think about all these industries and how they mitigate risk. It's all insurance. It's all a game. I can go out and have an event where we shoot a lot of guns, and we do. And there's a higher probability of chaos there versus on a field, right? Cheap insurance.

So you can insure against everything. It's not that. There's always been people trying to sue the league. The league knows how to get around that. They changed the game fundamentally after 2011 CBA, the last one I was a part of. That changed the game. And as you know, they can't practice.

They don't hit. And they can't get their bodies ready. And where you see it most is in the line play because that's the guys that need it the most. You guys can go run routes and do technical stuff, right, and get yourselves right for the most part, although they still need more work. Because there's a lot of sloppiness, man. There's a lot of line of scrimmage bullshit.

There's a much better product five five ten years ago on the field from an execution standpoint i mean tommy was saying that he got in trouble for saying that and and he was right and he was saying that almost a decade ago you know i'm saying and i remember having that conversation with him he's like it's so easy right now it's so easy and i'm not saying it was easy in terms of we're going to win every game kind of mentality but in terms of what it takes all i'm saying is is that they did all of it all the rule changes everything the league did to get their 17th game and they're about to get their 18th it wasn't because they want to have that super bowl at president's day it wasn't about player safety health and wellness i'm not saying they want to see guys get hurt i'm just telling you we were floated this idea that all the changes

were centered around making the game safer making the game safer and the game is not safer if you look at it from a rate of injury the rate of injuries like actually gone up soft tissue all that stuff they they can tell you anything they want i'm telling you the numbers would prove that yeah and and you don't even have to have the inside scoop on it you can just watch it look at how many of the of the starters and the backups and by the way if you're a backup today you haven't taken a real live rep maybe since training camp you know i'm saying like because there's not enough time so it's a problem man or padded practices or pad they can't hit two days in a row. We hit twice in one day. Two different sessions.

So what I'm saying is all that stuff was done because they wanted to get their 17th and 18th game. And yes, there's more revenue out there. You put something in front of the guys. Yeah, we're not going to be hitting as much. Yeah, we won't hit as much. Yeah, we're going to take away a preseason game. And you get them in the back end with that 18th game.

And by the way, I could care less. Do you want to get 17, 18 games negotiated, get it done like anybody else and they did they finally got it done pay the guys that's fine but don't do what you're doing because you keep going down this road these guys are not ready to play a season they're not ready to survive a season in entirety and they sure as hell aren't executing at a level that is acceptable no i mean training camp by the time i retired was a joke it was the worst days of my life oh and yours in the beginning first time i i was never i never ran like that in my life i was a quarterback bro i was like slinging jojos and special teams periods at kent state you know what i mean like i had to run every period i was dead we used to have run game in the

morning pass game in the afternoon double days remember that oh man hot vivid sticky i mean by the time i left bro you you didn't have you didn't have three days in a row or it was like three days on and you get one day off mandatory it was fucking crazy remember when we used to get the iron man award if you made it all through training camp because you were a football playing you were a bad dude if you made it all the way through without you know getting dinged up to where you couldn't practice yeah and by the way on that note going back to our boy briggsie head of security we were filming a thing for the oil consortium for craft. It was like,

like we got paid to go do something. Right. And, and so because it was, they were like a big sponsor of the stadium. They were coming in the back entrance right by Briggs's house. And it was Russ Hoekstein and I, and it was supposed to be like Russ coming out of his house and the oil

delivery truck coming up. And I was doing something. I was like dog cussing the, the cheerleaders for some reason. Actually, that wasn't part of it. I just took that upon myself and I was doing something I was like dog cussing the the cheerleaders for some reason actually that wasn't part of it I just took that upon myself and it was funny they gave me the video but anyway when we're doing it I told Russ I said hey you know we're gonna be doing this at Briggs's house I said I'm gonna steal something from Briggs's house right in front of him he's like no you're not I'm like yes I will and dude so he being British had

a gargoyle a concrete gargoyle And it was sitting on the railing of his porch. And Briggs is here. Russ is right here wearing a robe, looking like an idiot. And I'm sitting here. And it was kind of raining out. And I had my rain jacket. And I put my jacket over the gargoyle. And we're talking.

And right in front of him, I kind of gripped my jacket. So it looked like I was just grabbing my jacket. And I cupped it. And that thing was heavy, about damn dropped it. And I just took it right on my side. And I said, oh, I got to go back to my truck. And I put that gargoyle in my truck. We got done. Russell's like, I thought you were going to steal something from him.

I'm like, I did. He's like, no, you didn't. And I opened my truck door, and there's a gargoyle. And he is dying, right? Fast forward, and I'm tying this back in. Hang with me. Fast forward to the end of training camp, and I got my little Iron Man. We got a t-shirt, right? Yeah little iron man we got a t-shirt right yeah

yeah we do we do anything for a t-shirt so i got my t-shirt and briggs is walking past me but i put the gargoyle in my locker up where my shoulder pads were and it was like sitting there and he walks past me and he stops and he looks he backs up and he goes is that my phone goggle i swear to god you cannot write this script and i go what and i look at i look at him i'm like what are you talking about he goes is that my phone gorgle i'm like no it's not your gargoyle i was like bill gave me that it's like for being like the iron iron man iron deer in a lawn you know like like it was a it was a symbol of me watching over the team he's like oh phone call we'll just lock it and he walks away now i'm dying inside and logan saw the whole thing

and he's dying right next day i walk in no gargoyle. Okay. So I'm like, all right, he got it. Never talked to him about it. Never had a real conversation. Right. It's funny how that works. Right. We're all busy, like trying to get better and be really good. So years go by and we go back for a reunion for like the three Superbowl, you know, guys that were there for all three of them, right. The beginning ones. And we're there and I brought my RV and we're having a great time. And then Steve Neal, we go up because Kraft has a little reception in that little room up there with all of his people.

And Steve goes, hey, man, let's go down to Briggs' office. We'll mess around. I'm like, oh, yeah, I'll run my nuts over his keyboard. It'd be awesome. I'm just kidding. I wasn't going to do that. Probably would have. And we walk in and I sit down in his office.

I got my feet up on his desk, and Steve's taking a picture, and I look up, and the gargoyle is on the shelf. I stole it again. It's at my house. I have it right now. It's amazing. Double jeopardy. Oh, man.

Fucking gargoyle. I got it. It's the greatest, man. It's in my office. Fuck. Old Briggs. He left. Yeah, man. man fucking gargoyle i got it it's the greatest man it's in my office fuck old briggs he left we have this new guy doing big security like world security stuff i liked him i liked him at the end at first he hated me jack why don't you uh take us into the game yeah let's run to the uh lead up real quick and then we'll get through this butt kicking up in buffalo uh so the bills entered this thing four and ten pats come in-2. They're firing on all cylinders.

We had won that game 38-30 in the week 3 matchup. This game would clinch an AFC East title for the Pats on a 6 game win streak. Wins by 21 or more in 3 of the last 4 weeks. Turnover free for 7 weeks leading up to this game. And the defense had forced seven turnovers in that span so pretty darn good uh plus minus differential there did you see tommy's hair like really good hair this was long hair brady season yeah yeah that was like when he first was getting the the plugs like the you know i'm saying like that whatever that miracle grow stuff they

were sprinkling on him he always said he had what – what was that shit that Alex used to give him? Virgin blood. Ushia or something. I don't know. Oh, my God. It was like a Haysha berry or something. And then the game itself, 22 degrees, 16-mile-an-hour winds. This is Buffalo, December weather.

The game's the day after Christmas. The Bills got on the board first with a Ryan Lindell field goal then uh Woody Woody punched one in a 29 yard run to put the Pats up 7-3 and they never looked back uh scoring 21 unanswered a Gronk TD another Shane Graham field goal an Algie Crumpler TD the tight ends were all over the place today. Gronk had another touchdown in the second half. And the defense, forcing seven turnovers, four fumbles, three interceptions. The offensive line would let up just one sack. Shane Graham tacked on another field goal at the end to make this thing 34-3. Just a beatdown in Buffalo. And then after this game, to wrap the game up,

Tom Brady set the record for most consecutive pass attempts without an interception at 319 passing bernie kozar who did it in 1990 the 1991 season love it crazy he'll cut bernie kozar did he really i forgot about that oh, yeah. A Bernie came in with a blow dryer and like an old man hairbrush. I will never forget that. What do you mean? Like when Bernie came, he came in for – no, no. Was it Bernie? No, no.

Who was the guy we signed? It wasn't Bernie Kosar. No. I'm talking about – Vinny? Tessiverdi? Vinny Tessiverdi. Vinny T was with us.

Do you remember when he had when he when he couldn't read were you there for that one okay hold on yeah so i i mean i'm thinking vinny t so and then i almost went to flutie but it was vinny t flashbacks here been hit a lot bill and you're gonna love this dude so you know quarterback sat in the first row right and vinny t's right in front of the podium. And Bill's talking about, again, probably the Bengals or something. And you know how we'd always say, like, I mean, look, you can't make this shit up, right?

Because it sounded kind of stupid. Some of them did. So he would hand, like, the wire, like, whatever came off, you know, he would hand it. And he handed it to Vinny T. And he's like, look, you read it. I mean, look, you can't make this shit up. And he's looking at it.

And he's like, no, I mean, go ahead and read it. And, like, he look, you read it. I mean, look, you can't make this shit up. And he's looking at it, and he's like, no, go ahead and read it. And, like, he's still not reading it, and he keeps trying to get his arm because he didn't have his glasses on. And he couldn't read it. And Bill's like, give me that thing. He ripped it out of his hands, and we were dying, dude. But Vinny T came in, and I'll never forget. I'm like, I'm listening to this sound. Nobody has a hairdry dryer in the locker room like

that's like what's your grandfather you know like a hair dryer and he had like the old school brush and he's in there just quaffing it up blow dryer like look at this guy you son of a gun i remember a story i remember once we were leaving the shower and it just it just reminded me i don't know why and you go could you imagine if you used another person's towel right away like you explained to me like yeah the the last thing i dry off and the first thing you dry off think about that let that soak in that's i remember you explaining this to me yeah randomly it's amazing your memory i was just so like what is light talking about yeah and. And then you got it. And then I got it.

And you imagine if you did that and some people's last thing they dried off, like if you caught like a little, oh, it's a bad deal. You get pink eye. That's at least you hit. Oh, my God. Lighty, how do we celebrate this division locking down game? So this was a rare one. And the reason I love this game is because,

and I thought, I honestly thought it was the windy one, but you refresh my memory. So big time snow, we always leave. People don't realize that, right? It could be a Monday night game.

It's like, I don't know what one o'clock in the morning by the time the buses finally roll out. And what, by the way, was that not the worst? Waiting on all the equipment and all the BS and everything. The worst was the hour drive back from the Providence Airport. That we could have gotten in our own vehicles, albeit a handle deep and crown.

I mean, who knows? But things happen. But probably the best idea we didn't. But yeah, that was the worst man. The word, the travel, the downtime, God,

it was terrible. And then, you know, you got to wake up in like hours and go get in the clock and run. Oh, I mean, we do this again. We're never going to win a fucking game.

We won 34 to nothing, Bill. I mean, it's not a big deal. Um, yeah. So, so we so we got stuck in Buffalo, ended up going on some buses that took us to Rochester. Because there was a hockey tournament.

In Buffalo. In Buffalo, so there was no hotels for us. That was probably the World Juniors. If it was around Christmas, that's probably what it was. Yeah, okay. So on the way to Rochester, I would always do this hunt, and they had this place called Dinosaur Barbecue. Big shout-out to Dinosaur Barbecue.

Place is epic. They always had live entertainment, great barbecue. And we do the one in Syracuse, but I knew they had a location in Rochester. And so we call ahead. I get everything set up, and we basically hit that hotel and immediately the whole team went whole team coaches coach yeah it was hammered and never do that like we never get an opportunity as a group to go do something and that was man that was a special day man that was so fun it was so great and and just to see coaches being human and doing like

so and by the way for them i think it was a huge yeah relief you know just to definitely have that time man because the coach like what people don't realize the coach has got motherfucked just as much as we did oh if not worse probably worse longer. And longer. The staff would sit and watch every single play of practice as a unit. And then watch it again with us. Yeah, and then watch it again with us. And then watch it again at night. And watch it again at night, no doubt. Grueling, man.

I'll tell you, in the moment, I don't think I respected it very much in my early years. But by the time you've been around it long enough, you know, towards the end of my career, I was like, holy smokes, man. Yeah, you're leaving to go home after a 12-hour day and you're watching the coaches see their kids in the parking lot for an hour

before they got night meetings. No doubt. That's why people ask, do you want to go to coach? No. Never want to coach? I'd have to hit my nuts with a rubber hammer. Like, that's a terrible idea you want to go to coach no never want to coach how to hit my nuts with a rubber hammer like that's a terrible idea what about a steel hammer man i'm not thor but yeah that would hurt him that hurt so what happened at this barbecue joint what do we do

chug we chugging beers there was a lot to you by the way by the way do they know you're like you have to be up there on a board somewhere. I can chug a beer. And the other guy that can chug a beer that's a little kind of a, you wouldn't think so, like he's a little bit of a soft kitty in some man categories. I mean, we just roasted him yesterday, so we can just say it. Tommy can chug a beer. He can chug a beer. He doesn't look like a chugger.

No, but he can chug a beer. You know what that tells me? He's got good opening of the jaw oh yeah yeah you know he um i will never forget we used to practice at bryant college and that was a training camp and there's a little place right when you turn into bryant college called parentes and i'll never forget because Ty Law and Lawyer Law Dog and all these guys would be like, Parentes! And we'd all go there and we'd sneak in

and we'd get back right before curfew. And we were there one time, and I remember Izzo challenged Brady. And I'm thinking, dude, Izzo's going to smoke this cat. And it was back when they had the pitchers and they're pouring into the like a solo cuffs and i remember tommy put that thing back and i'm like oh my god this kid's a gamer he's a gamer bring it on baby fucking gamer yeah there was a lot of chugging going on that night i remember some guys got lost in the shuffle trying to get back to i remember

somebody was late the next morning to the team meeting who i can't remember who it was nico oh it was nico i was like this is unbelievable it's like number three i think it was i guarantee it was nico it was definitely nico something happened to him he got he got a little sideways or something i don't know but he was definitely late to the team and bill didn't care though that was the good part yeah because we clinched yeah yeah yeah we clinched and it was also a kind of fucked up schedule yes also remember when we went to london we had that same kind of vibe when we went to we almost fought the rams you guys went to london i was hurt on that one you weren't there it killed me man oh that was a fun trip killed me dude

jared is getting like he couldn't even walk to the bus the next morning because we stayed out the gallery of diamonds jared jared jared our it guy it could only be jared dude i said that every time i saw him by the way jared's the best the teddy and jared jared's the one like that literally was losing his mind bringing a new mouse and new keyboard in for every time I saw him. By the way, Jared's the best. Teddy and Jared. Jared's the one that literally was losing his mind bringing a new mouse and new keyboard in for Dante when I used the little stick

that I put in his computer. What stick? The one that made his mouse wander all over the place. How long did you keep this prank going? Seven months. And he lost it. Dante lost it.

I forgot about it, to be honest with you. It wasn't like I planned that. I put it in there towards the end of one season, and I was testing it, and it had like a thing where you could ramp up the volume. And it could do three different things,

but I chose to do one. It would just make the mouse wander randomly. And I remember I put it in, and I'd see it because we'd be watching film, and he'd be using the remote, and all of a sudden the mouse would just kind of wander over. But then it wouldn't do it for like an hour. So I kind of forgot about it.

And I remember in the offseason, guys were complaining about they had a hard time with it, but I didn't put two and two together. Well, then we got to OTAs, and I'm sitting in there watching film again. I'm like, this sucks. And I see the mouse wander. I'm like, oh, snap. And I sat right in front of Dante because he couldn't see me sleeping. And I had an amazing ability.

I'll tell you this. My head never bobbed. Never. And I'd be dead asleep, perfectly sitting there. And Dante recognized it, too. He's like, I know. I know you can sleep without moving your head. It's amazing.

And I'm like, oh, thanks, Coach. And so I could reach right behind me and pull that thing out. And I remember I ramped it up, and I put it back in, and that's when all hell broke loose and dante's dog cussing it he'd go get jimmy d he'd go get jared they bring in a new keyboard a new mouse they put it all in then the next day and by the way when they come in i just pop it out so they're like messing with their like coach we'll put a new keyboard mouse in so that went on for like a week and dante's losing his shit he can't run his

meeting right and the minute he go to click on something to be like son of a bitch and he bring it back over and try to click it i remember the day i walk in and jimmy d stops me and he goes look me in the eye and don't you lie to me he goes i found that stick because i forgot to take it out one day i found that stick that usb drive you put in the computer and your dumb ass almost made it so that i fired xos i'm like what are you talking about he's like what do you mean what am i talking about he's like i couldn't figure out what the hell is wrong i'm blaming the software company i'm dog cussing him every single day for a freaking week he's like don't ever do that again i was like oh my god it was amazing didn't you get him with a shocking remote too i did and that one

was so great because he on his remote control for running the video cowboy clicker yep the cowboy he he there was a piece of tape on it and it said remote. And I, I took mine and my remote was, it wasn't, it wouldn't do nothing, but I put that sticker, that piece of tape over it. And it had all these little buttons and it had one Chrome button that was outlined in red. And if I told you the world would end, if you clicked it, you couldn't help yourself. It was so cool looking shiny. You know what I mean? Like, it was just like something you had to press. So i put the little thing on there and i'll never forgive man he said i didn't tell i never used to tell the guys anything and i'm sitting there waiting for the shoe to drop right and he walks in he's talking about something up on the whiteboard and he comes there all right we're

gonna watch the little third down here and he he's sitting there and he's got the tape playing he goes oh he goes i got a new remote and i can hear him say it i'm like oh shit here tape player and he goes, oh, he goes, I got a new remote and I can hear him say it. I'm like, oh shit, here we go. And then he goes, I wonder if this thing's got a laser pointer on it. Because the laser pointer on this other one didn't work. He hits the button. You can hear the electricity go through him. He's like, oh, God damn it. And he drops it.

And he picked it up and did it again and that's when we lose it because the first time that happened like cope's looking at me like holy shit like what was that and i'm giving him the look like oh my god and he did it the second time and when we all start losing is okay all right you fat fuckers he goes we'll see how funny this is out of practice what do you make you do run oh man yeah yeah by the way that okay so i'm so sorry but this was reminded me that look of coping there was one other time and i don't know if you remember this remember pierre woods i lived with them do you remember what i did to him and this is one of my this is one that i wish like hell i would have i usually

filmed most of my stuff i didn't film this one no i didn't remember oh my god so this is amazing so one year going into camp i'm thinking about things like you know i see you do eduardo the blow-up doll yeah and i'd be butt naked sitting over it when the coach would come in to do room check i had two candles typically sent it in bayberry and like i'd have marvin gaye playing and i'd literally have my Gaye playing and I'd literally have my ass facing them and I'd be putting lipstick on a big blow-up doll and when they walk in I hear the door open I turn around like what hey what no no no no no no and they'd be like it'd be like the young guy and all the other coaches when I walk in they'd be like oh

dude you should have seen his face now he was freaking out I'm like I know I got it good or I'd be dancing with him butt naked it was was awesome. I used to love room check, man. Anyway. Ivan was always funny. Ivan hated it when I did that stuff. When I found out that Ivan was doing it, I always had something special for him. He didn't find any of it funny, I don't think, but that was all right. I still enjoyed it.

What are you doing? So getting ready for camp, I'm like, okay, I got to do something. And so I bought, I went to a gas station in Foxborough, and I bought like, I think it was like crossword puzzle scratch-off tickets, right? And I bought the whole roll. It was like $860 or something. And I walk in on like day three, and I dropped it at the beginning of the locker room,

and it was like an accordion. They were all together. And I walked almost halfway through the locker room. And I was like, it was like an accordion they were all together and I walked almost halfway through the locker room and I was like hey boys if we're gonna be in here all day we might as well try to make some money let's let's have some fun with it so guys would come over and rip them off I was like yeah do whatever man just scratch them away and it worked perfectly because they all became crackheads and you couldn't get a scratch off ticket in Foxborough you'd like drive to another town to get scratch off tickets I remember and there's shavings everywhere like I mean, shavings over the whole place.

So I let that boil for a while, and about a week and a half into it, because, again, today everybody knows these things. Back then, nobody saw the fake scratch-off tickets. The problem, though, is that I had to create a narrative, because these fake scratch-off tickets, they were smaller. So I started talking about how, like, man, you can't find, you know, and I didn't, it just worked out to work out this way, like, man, you can't find, you know, and I didn't, it just worked out to work out this way. But I said, I can't find the crosswords. So I've been doing the four leaf clover or some shit, the Irish one. And then I'm like, you know what,

though? But they have these really cool ones. I think they're County tickets. It's not state tickets. They're County scratch off tickets, but they say that the odds are really good on like, you can hit big. So I set set the scenario so this day in particular after laying all this groundwork Copen's right next to me and and and Pierre was like right next to me too and there's a whole bunch of other guys and they're all crackheads they're all scratching tickets and we would let other guys scratch tickets for us right so Pierre's sitting there and I had those sitting there and I was telling Cope and he heard me talking about the county ticket and he goes lighter you want me to scratch some of these for you I'm like yeah man whatever

you gotta do so he's sitting there he's scratching and i'm just scratching i'm just waiting scratching all of a sudden he's like oh light dog you got you need one more for 25 thou 25 thou for one more all of a sudden dude he scratched out he's like hey dog hey hey hey light light look at this ship you just won 25 000 light you just won 20 who Whoop, whoop. And he gets up and he starts running around the locker room. And the next thing you know, dude, it's like Soul Train. Everybody's dancing.

They crank the music up. Like, 25, 25, baby. And he's running all over the place. Everybody's amped up. Copen's looking at me. I'm like, damn, I just won $25,000, you know? And I say, hey, man, come here. And he comes over.

And I go, I guess I just take it to where I got it, huh? I go, does it say anything about where to claim it? Now, on the back of it, he turns it around and he goes, to claim prize, please go see Santa Claus at North Pole. Man, what the shit? He's like, if Santa Claus is not available, please see the Tooth Fairy. And he's looking at me like, huh? And then Copan looks at me and i'm like and he knows immediately pierre read the whole thing and finally i'm like i'm sorry man

i didn't win he was so mad at me dude so mad at me but if you would have seen that scene you would have died dude i remember for a, scratchers were huge in the locker room, in the training room. That's why. Jesus. Jack, what do we got? All right, to wrap this thing up, the Pats went on to win.

We got out of Buffalo, got home safely, would finish the season 14-2, but unfortunately lose in the AFC Divisional Round in the can't-wait game to the freaking Jets. Brutal. Brutal. Bart Scott. Bart Scott.

Tom Brady would finish the year with 335 consecutive pass attempts without an interception, breaking his own 2007 TD to interception ratio as well with a record of 9-1. He was MVP and the Patriots committed an NFL record low 10 turnovers on the season. Pretty darn impressive. And statistically, the 2010 offense was more efficient play for play than the record-setting 2007 offense, which is pretty crazy. But, yeah, it went down but uh Hernandez were taking him down

we also ran the ball down people's throat by the way that's probably the biggest component I think in in the offensive you know game plan mindset you know Dante used to always say we rush the ball 25 times or more we're going to win the game in most most cases right yeah and there's it's so true man and i think again you know bill always talked about you know where you where you develop toughness right offense and defensive line and special teams right and then where specifically in the run game offensively you know if you can develop that and and again i'll go back to not be the debbieer, but if you can't put the pads on and hit and condition and get rep after rep after rep, you can't be a good run team.

Can't. And by the way, we know we were really good at screens, man. And that's, you know, how delicate a process. What do you call it? The sideline? The marker in between the hash where you guys

always had to get to yes man in between the numbers and the hash yeah I used to first out

first up and then look back I remember one time Bill came to me he's like why'd you do that because I was running on a tear screen

to go kick out number one and it'd be one of those where like you know you'd get catch and hit him back come in and i'm trying to

kick the guy out and my fat ass just trying to get there in time well i'm running full speed at this dude and i i must have just i don't remember consciously but i hit the brakes and peeled back and and there's a guy trailing and he was behind me kind of dangerous and i hit him he was most dangerous just happened and bill's like i'm never forget he never come and ask me a question like that but even i when i was when i did it i was like i don't know why i did that but i'm glad i did that shit yeah and he came and asked me he's like why'd you do that because you shouldn't have done that but i'm glad you did that but dude screens were screens are such an important part of an offense and they're so hard like you have to have smart, physical players.

Slows down the pass rush. Oh, it's such a weapon, man. It's a huge weapon. I know it. Run game and screens, man. That's what I would focus on, man, if I was coaching today in the NFL. All the other stuff. A lot of teams can do certain aspects of the overall passing game pretty well,

as you know better than anyone. The thing is, you can't control a game unless you run the ball. Yeah. As you know better than anyone. The thing is you can't control a game unless you run the ball. Yeah. You know what I mean? That's how you control the game. Well, how bad were you dying when we would go into these no huddle, you know, throwing like every single – you know, Tommy wanted to throw the ball every down, right?

Yeah. You guys had to be dying at times. Yeah, it was tough. I mean, when we played in that Super Bowl in 16, You guys had to be dying at times. Yeah, it was tough. I mean, when we played in that Super Bowl in 16, we had 110 or 115 offensive plays. That's a big game. That's two games.

Yeah. Like legit two games. We had 110 plays or something. It was gnarly. Yeah, man. We've had games in the 50s. Yeah. You know?

I mean, that's two damn games. Yeah. I don't know how they could, that's two damn games. Yeah. I don't know how they could do that today and keep it up at a high level. Dude, it's going to pendulum back because linebackers are getting small. Linebackers are 225 pounds. It's fucking crazy. 230. Yeah, and you can exploit that, right?

Yeah. To your point. They're light. And a lot of the DNs ends they just want to rush you know all these guys are built for fucking pinning their ears back and getting to the quarterback you think about the guys that we were blocking up front the the dwight freeney's and the mathis's and i mean even think about our division like a guy like aaron showball hustler yeah just got after it right um john abraham for me in the early days xerxes or jason taylor yeah because he did look just like xerxes he really did he did akron oh yeah man yeah i went to kent too he was homeschooled yeah man you know gronk lived

with him in high school when grronk got kicked out of school. With JT? Yeah, his family. He went to Pittsburgh. Holy smokes. Wild. That's a weird combination. It's weird.

That's wild. Well, Gronk said, I guess he sent an email to one of his teachers, like, suck my peace or something. Of course he did. He got kicked peace or something. Of course he did. And got kicked out of school. Of course he did. And so left Buffalo and went to Pittsburgh to play high school football. From what I heard, he was very flexible when he was in high school.

Gronk. Was he? Yeah. Is this a joke? No, but you should probably talk to him about that. When he's on next time. I don't talk to him about that. Oh, when he's on next time. I don't want to be that guy. Oh, I know.

You're a fucking clown. Just, you know, good hamstring flexibility. I mean, he was a good athlete, obviously. He's a monster. Very flexible. Very flexible. Jack, we got any leftovers? We got a couple.

Just to clarify here, shout out to Clark Hunt and the Kansas City Chiefs. Just got rid of the stools in the locker room this March. Replacing them with chairs. Yep. They were one of the last holdouts. That's all good for them. I don't remember them. I do remember them.

Because anytime we play a stool thing, I would think about you. A stool team. I'm like, that lady would have stole the shit out of us. And we got to give a little love to Scar getting his IMDB credits up. The movie, The Stealer and the Pittsburgh Kid, 1981, starring Dante Skarniecki as Coach. The movie was based on the Mean Joe Green Coke commercial,

which is pretty crazy. Yeah. Insane. Pretty good. Yeah. It's a deep cut. I love that crazy. Yeah. Insane. Pretty good. Yeah. It's a deep cut. I love that one. Scar.

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What's the name of this game? We're staying in Buffalo. Turnoverfest 2010. What is that? We didn't have any turnovers. We had seven. Oh, we forced seven. We forced seven,

but we didn't turn the ball over. No, that's true. We got some, anything else we can do. Or do you got a better name for this game? Dinosaur for Life. There we go. Dinosaur for Life. Yeah, baby.

Now let's score the game. Is this the greatest game of all time? Let's score it. That's a zero. Stakes. Huh? Not the greatest game of all time. No way.

One to ten.imals okay stakes stakes point uh 0.5 0.5 yeah they were dogs you do it too yeah i'll say a four five it's the east on the line yeah you're right you're right but yeah the grand scheme of thing i mean it's buffalo you know i'm saying little brothers you know it sucks that now we're the little brothers. I know. At least when we were the older brothers, like the big boys on the block, we were going out beating up the other kids. By the way, one of the greatest Buffalo games was we shipped Law Dog down there.

Lawyer. And they whoop our tail 31-0. Season opener. And by the way, we shipped in there like the week before. And it was so awkward. You know how when that white buffalo comes in and snatches a dude, the feeling in there is so weird, especially when it's one of your top guys. Can you explain what the white buffalo is?

Yeah. So we always say there's this bin that they bring out in the locker room and they throw all the guy's stuff and they clear out that locker and you come in and man that dude's just gone the turk yeah man and and that when that happens to a guy like him though man it it takes a little bit like i like when logan was traded that was weird that that had to be crazy i wasn't there for that obviously but you were there i was there it was I was like, what the fuck are we doing? And by the way, what was he thinking? We won a Super Bowl that year.

I know. That's the crazy thing. But that was not a good move on his part, in my opinion. But whatever. What do I know? I'm not a world record coach. You're a world record handsome gentleman. Thank you.

Let's get back to star power. You didn't have to say that. One to to star power you know to say that one to one to ten star power of this game i don't know four four good with these numbers it's all right i'll say six okay the gameplay of this game it was a blowout well i mean from our perspective it was pretty pretty stellar pretty amazing you guys ran what 214 yards every's dream, man, is just to run the ball every single play. You'd rather hit someone than get hit. All day long, man. Backing up sucks.

Go forward. Give me a nine on game play. I'll give it a 8-1. What's the name category mean? You got to score the name of the game. Oh, okay. Score the name of the game. And the cultural impact of the game.

How much it has a lasting. Yeah. I'm going to go nine again. Because I felt it on this game. I'm going to go 7.8. 7.8. All right. Geez.

Look at these guys. The Russian. Yeah, we went full Russian judge. That was before I knew it had a great name. Dinosaur for life game. 5.8. Where does that go on the leaderboard? That puts us just below game two of the 2014 NLDS. So we're at like the 50 spot.

You guys have a whole system here. This is like... It's wild. Those are all the games we've done. Holy, so that's a lot of work being put into this. I see it. You know, like, so I've never been on social media in my life. Yeah.

And so I'm a little bit of a dinosaur myself in that respect. But you know what? Here's my theory, man. I think it's actually going to become, like, the cool thing down the road. To be, like, retro? No. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like, bell bottoms and all this stuff, it ends up coming cyclical, right?

I think there's going to be a cachet to the people that, like, I don't know anything about this cat. Like, I can't find nothing. I mean, although I've kind of shared most of my secrets today. Except for one, thank you. Thank you, sinner. Next one. Next time.

Next time. It's got to be, like, really good. It's got to be. We got to have everybody in. We got to bring the boys in. I always feel like somebody's watching. I started singing that, and he finished it in the shower. Do you remember?

Did you know that? I knew you were going to love that. I knew you were going to love that. That happened in real time. We were at the Fighting Artichokes or something, and I started singing that, and he was right next to me, and he finished it. And we almost lost it.

Don't be an idiot. All right, stop. This is terrible. Matt, you want to plug anything? Hey, man, you know what? As you know, man, as much fun as I like to have. Not like shootout? Shootout and the foundation, man.

Look, again, I was the most fortunate guy ever i didn't know anything about what i was getting myself into got to play with guys like yourself so many others we did it at a high level we had fun doing it we won and all of that gave me a platform man we work with about 7 500 kids annually it's all, man. It's about speaking the truth to young people. You know, we don't sugarcoat things. We push them outside their comfort zone. We take kids that maybe would have never had an opportunity to do something. We spend time with them. My dad, my mom, my wife, my kids, my aunts, my uncles, our employees. I love it. It's been my life passion. I mean, when I I was playing when we were playing together

I spent two weeks in the woods running a what we call our cultural leadership camp camp and I would go from being in the yurts with these kids for two weeks not working out and I do nothing and then freaking out because I had like five days to run the conditioning test and get my ass ready but my mind was right man when I got to camp I was good yeah and so it's like been a passion of mine you know I come from a family of educators. My mom taught for 35 years music. My dad is a world-renowned guy in so many different fields and teacher. And so the work we do through the Life Foundation is all about getting kids

to just understand what it means to look people in the eye, treat them with respect, earn what they get. Entitlement gets us nowhere. And I think for young people today, those are the lessons that serve me well. I mean, I would have been a total deadbeat degenerate if I didn't have football and somebody pushing me. Not because of my parents. My parents, I mean, I grew up in a very, I was very fortunate. Stable home, right? Parents poured into me. Mom prayed a lot because she had a dumb ass son. And, you know, that's what I love doing now, man.

And I've been fortunate to do it. I mean, look, we've been around for 24 years, almost right. 23 years. And, uh, we work with about 7,500 kids annually. They come through the camp and, uh, everything from youth hunts to timber framing camp, teach kids how to turn timbers into usable parts in a frame to build a home or build a shed or a covered bridge or a tree house. All kind of different things, and I love that.

So the shootout is what – I mean, we raise all of our own money. We don't get support from the federal government. We don't get any of this. And as you know, know you've been to the shootout this will be our 20th year jesus we got t far a hell of a country music artist coming in to celebrate when is it september 17th man it's going to be awesome it's a tuesday always on a tuesday trying to get bill i'm trying to get bill to show up for the first time because he's not working. He's got nothing to do. Do your job more like need a job. Got him.

No, but I can firsthand remember Matt Light, stud football player, but always was making a huge impact with his foundation, the Matt Light Foundation. I mean, he did it for as long as I can remember. You always knew about the shootout. You always knew Matt was doing something for his foundation. He's raised a lot of money to help a lot of people. And

I'm super happy for you. Everyone go check out the Matt Light Foundation on all social platforms. MattLightFoundation.com MattLight72.com And yeah, man. If you want to get involved

or want to do something check out one of our events all the information is on there plus the programming man that's the most important part yeah we got great kids

we got great staff and we're growing man we're gonna we're gonna open up a trade school before too long man awesome I think that's a big deal

I think that's what we need we need kids that are willing to put in the work and by the way if you're in a trade today you can make bank and you can work for yourself if you wanted to. You know what I'm saying? And we need that. We got to rebuild this country. You know, my last little thing here, we used to do great things in this country, man. We used to build great things. Now it's all Ikea. It's all cheap. We used to have public-private partnerships. Look at the

real leaders, the people that built this country. We took pride in what we have. What's the last thing that was built in L.A. or any major city in this country that you can look at and say, man, that's a work of art? Go to Philadelphia. Go look at some of the architectural stuff. Look at New York City. But it's all old.

We have to take pride in what we do again, man. We've got to raise people that that respect this country and what it represents you don't have to like every aspect of it you don't have to like everybody that's leading it but we had to be able to look at each other and have enough common ground and respect to not get caught up in all this bs because it's just stupid and just go out there and work hard to be the best at what we do no different than what we did on the field we wanted to be the best and we could do. No different than what we did on the field. We wanted to be the best.

And we can do that as a country. And we've got to get young people to understand that it's not just going to happen. And nobody owes you anything. And so buckle up. Get ready to go get it. And by the way, when you earn it, it's a hell of a lot sweeter. A lot sweeter. Hell yeah, man.

I want to go. Can I vote for you right now? Hey, you just come work with our kids, man, because that's all we got to do. If you want to make a change, work with young people. And here's like the last thing I'll say. You can change the narrative today. It's taken people a long time to instill this terrible work ethic. Yeah.

And to break down the fiber of who we are as a country. Because you know what? It gives other people power. Well, you can undo that overnight just by holding kids accountable. I've seen it in the work we do. Yeah. And man, we're so fortunate. We have awesome kids we work with, man.

I give a shout out to them and our whole staff, man. It's a blessing to work with them, man. We love it. I give a shout out to you and that was an unbelievable episode. Well, I loved it, man. Thanks for having me.

Thanks for coming on. And we survived last night. And by the way, I was saying, you were flipping were flipping unbelievable man i was nervous for you guys and you guys crushed it so i hope everybody watches that man it was fun it was fun the roast check it out thank you matt thanks matt for coming in bubs yeah buddy man matt light, funny guy. I told you he'd be great. The amount of money and time and energy he spends just for pranking people, incredible. Dude's like all three Impractical Jokers rolled into one. I remember my rookie year.

I forgot. It just popped in my head. He was the first one to have segues. He had like eight of them at his house. Paul Blart style? Yes. No way. he had he had the coolest toys always that's awesome he was so fun and he also uh i also remember once asking

him on the plane because matt's a very smart guy oh yeah yeah you could tell you know both his parents educated you know what i mean yada you know he's a smart maker yeah and i i was sitting there and i was just i was in like something weird and he used to sit like right in front of me i go bro isn't it crazy we're in like a 40 ton tin can 30 000 feet of above air he goes no bro aeronautical engineering so easy to actually know that. Birds. And he walks away or something. He, like, fully smugged me off.

Have you never heard of birds? Yeah. He's like, no, it's very easy, actually, to understand why we're in the air. I shot three this morning. I wonder if he stole anything. I love how he was like, oh, I caught someone stealing. We had these security cameras, whatever. And then he spent the whole episode talking about all the shit he stole.

I was going to say, if we ever need a heist, I'm hiring him and his babysitter. And we're taking down. We're Ocean's Eleven anything. We are oceaning up with Matt Light. And Matt Light, he'd be a really good heist guy. And then Ernie's running the show. That's a post-guest segment. You've got to, of the NFL, who's your Ocean's Eleven?

Lights definitely make me. Maybe a lot of Patriots, I bet. You stuffed Dolan into the crate. What the narratives are out there. Oh, my goodness. Well, it's time to hit the old hotline. Remember, that number is 424-291-2290. Just wondering, can one of you guys play that bass guitar?

How old is this kid? How old is this kid? I'm not sure. He might this kid? I'm not sure He might be He might be five I'm not 100% sure There's no way he's five Jack's not around kids

That kid is That kid's probably like eight Yeah We do get a call sometimes From this one guy that is five Guy, kid And It sounds very similar

He's listed his age in the calls a couple times I just couldn't understand the last couple Are we making clean versions on this thing? Hey, it's not our fault. That's parents' fault. Come on, parents. Explicit parental advisory. Marked in the show.

Oh, my gosh. Stop dodging the question. Can you slap the bass? No, I can't slap no bass. My uncle died, and he was a pretty good musician, and he left those, and I don't know. I just haven't found a pretty good musician, and he left those. I don't know. I just haven't found a place to put them.

They look dope. They look cool. You guys actually put them up there. Yeah. You can play a little bass. It's not that hard. Slap of the bass. Slap of the bass.

Good question, 12-year-old or 8-year-old, if we're lucky. Good kid. Good kid. Hey, how's it going, Duels? Big fan of the podcast. Season one. Name is Billy. I'm down here in South Florida.

I got a recommendation for maybe doing something different with the games with names. Maybe doing an action sport. You know, maybe one of those pipe masters, Kelly Slater, winning it all, surfing title, surfing champion 11 times. Maybe do one of those A.I. Cal Big Waves competitions. Maybe the 900 pulled by Tony Hawk in the X Games or maybe one of those legendary performances by the Flying Tomato, Sean White. I think that would be kind of cool.

Get a different type of sport. Show some love to those guys with the great balance and the kind of cool. Get a different type of sport. Show some love to those guys with the great balance and the balls of steel. Appreciate taking my call. Good luck with the rest of the season. Love the show. Yes, we definitely need to.

100%. I mean, everything he, I remember all those. I grew up in the Bay Area, so I was always around like the skate surf community. I was the jock that hung out with like the surfer i was pretty much johnny utah and point break like it wasn't a surfer utah give me two yeah but i could hang out with them i hung out with them hung out the skate park and i remember when tony hawk pulled that 900 in in uh san

francisco 99 something like that and then also travis Pastrana did a backflip into the bay and got fined hella money because he dropped the dirt bike in there. That would be sick. I mean, we are definitely going to get up in that business. John John Florence, me and him communicated a bunch over ACLs when he tore his ACL. Shout out John John. Love watching his videos and his documentaries.

This dude's so talented. he's insane on surfboard but yeah we got to definitely get we got to get the surf community or or the extreme community in there got to maybe got to maybe mark cutback davis or bob jungle death gerard you know those guys bubba stewart legends bubba stewart this is not yeah we've been honestly the 900 has been in our top 10. Tony Hawk. Show to do with Tony Hawk. Incredible. We're flirting with Sean Way.

I think there's a scheduling stuff. We'd love to do that. We've been talking a lot about Kelly Slater. We're not going to say why. But yeah, 100%. This will be really fun. We've been ranking coolest bald guys. That's where Kelly keeps coming up.

He's number one. Bruce Willis is pretty up there. He's up there too. We love you, Bruce. Who's motorcycle is this? up. He's number one. Bruce Willis is pretty up there. He's up there, too. We love you, Bruce. Who's motorcycle is this? Maybe it's a chopper. Who's that? Zed's dead, baby.

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