Games with Names - 2012 AFC Championship with Stavros Halkias | Ravens vs. Patriots

Episode Date: March 25, 2025

Stavros Halkias is in studio! The comedian and Baltimore legend is with us to relive a classic matchup from the Ravens vs. Patriots rivalry: the 2012 AFC Championship. Stav joins us on the couch (2:01). We go back to January of 2013 (34:23). We get into these teams (52:44). We dive into the game (1:12:01). We score it (1:20:18). We hit The Chill Line in this week's Chill Zone presented by Coors Light (1:33:45). Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We are covering the 2012 AFC championship game between the Patriots and the Ravens with comedian and the pride of Baltimore, Stavros Halkias. We get into talking the Ravens versus the Patriots, the rivalry it really was. These guys, they think they're better than us. We're just as good. That was always the vibe. His famous Ronnie character.

Probably the greatest defensive tackle of all time. Go, next. And how much he truly hates the Patriots. I want nothing but bad things for Drake May. It's too soon for you guys to have a good quarterback. That's f***ed up. And then we hit the chill line and give some advice in this week's Chill Zone presented by Coors Light. We give advice which don't know how that's gonna go but you guys gotta stick around. Let's go. Games with names the production of iHeartRadio. January 20th, 2013, Gillette Stadium,

Foxboro, Massachusetts. The Ravens are facing the Patriots in an AFC Championship rematch. But this year, there's just something about that Joe Flacco. This is the Forgotten Flacco Game! Hell yeah dude. That was awesome. Oh what a guy. Hell yeah. You're fucking hilarious. Welcome to Games with Names. We have a very special guest to talk about the 2012 AFC Championship

game between the Ravens and the Patriots with one of my favorite comics on Instagram. Thank you dude. And in real life. And in real life. Is there a real life anymore? Yeah that's a great question yeah. You know what I mean? I prefer real life but yeah I'll take Instagram. Stavros, thank you for coming on. Thanks for having me dude in one sentence Why did you pick this game in once I guess just because it feels good to be able to rub in a Humiliating loss in a to a guy who was on there. I think you were probably hurt I was hurt cuz you weren't cuz you weren't you know, I just checked back. I didn't remember you but From that game you don't really remember a lot of Patriots players because you guys fucking shit the bed in a

hilarious manner but you didn't even we talked about a couple games but you weren't even playing the other game we talked about you had a good game I didn't even want you to have that satisfaction I would rather stop. I said it one sentence. I'm sorry. It's a run up. These are a lot of a lot of semi-colons. There's every there's separate clauses, but they're connected. So yeah, just there's a lot of ideas and it's Flacco's run. It's right after the mile high miracle. It's right right before the Superbowl. It's just like a beautiful. It's a forgotten game in that run because it wasn't as memorable as a Superbowl the mile-high miracle But just cuz fuck the Patriots man. We had to do a game where you guys fucking sucked

Is this the greatest game of all time? It's not but it was so really it's a really satisfying game You know, it's a really satisfying game because again, you don't get to tell to a player's face How shitty his team was and it was your team being the one to do it. And I do hate the page. It's tough because I do have, you are the most likable, I think from the like, from what's pretty likable, Gronk's likable. But yeah, so is the golden retriever. You give fucking Gronk a little treat he'll fucking he'll be good to go Did you give him a little bus ball in your hand? He'll come up to you. He's easy to win over. I have a feeling but you know, so anyway, that's you're the one person

I have some fondness for cuz you know Just role player to me I like to think of my kind of entertainment careers that neither one of us had any business being successful in what we did and so I respect you for that but still not the greatest game just really just have to get on record how much I despise the teams you were on and just want to celebrate a victory over them. You know what I think that I think that's the the highest sign of respect from a fan is when they hate your team because of how successful you are. So like, I don't get mad at that. Yeah, yeah. Because I remember being a 49ers fan and I absolutely hated

the fucking Green Bay Packers. They used to knock us out every year in that divisional round or that fucking first round playoff. I hate it. So I understand. Where did your start like your sports fandom come from? Yeah, I mean, I grew up in Baltimore. So this is and I mean, I'm a fan of Baltimore teams before the Ravens existed.

So that's, you know, so what's the ranks? I mean, now the rate in terms of like true fandom, true fandom, where it's like just tribal, you kind of turn your brain off. You're not even like, cause if we were being serious, it's like, this is a waste of all our time. Like our Sunday, we lose one day a week just on a couch doing shit. And like, we should stop. Like when there's bye weeks, I have, I go to the park. I might go to a

fucking museum. Like I'm a better person when football's not on, but you know, I like, you just have to watch, you can't help it. You can't have to watch it. And so on that level, definitely the Ravens. I mean, I remember it's cool to be a little kid when the team is coming like I had that experience and I was a fan of football. How old were you? I must have been like we won the super when I was in sixth grade. So I was pretty young. I don't remember. It was like and I remember going. I went to like a punt pass and kick when the fucking Vinny testiverty and Matt Stover there Like I was like I was the demographic to get won over by this team and like, you know

the shitty the shitty weird like Logo that we had that was that was bad I remember them thinking about calling us the Baltimore Americans or like the Baltimore Brown like we got saved Ravens is the best You know name we could have gotten so it's like that's how. And in terms of like overall, I mean, I like the O's because, just because I, but I don't really, baseball's kind of- It's tough. You got- The guys are talented, but I just want to fuck it. It's there to drink a beer and eat a hot dog.

But it's changed. Like, the new rules of baseball is awesome for TV because it keeps it going. But like, like you said, when you go to a baseball game, you want to drink a beer and eat a hot dog, and you pray for the longest game possible because you're in third, seventh grade, and your mom's there. Yeah, took you out of school. And if you get there too late, maybe you get the next day off. Now they have no chance of getting past 3 and 1.5 hours.

But yeah, Orioles, I used to love the Giants. Sure, yeah. Cal Ripken Jr. He's the man. I mean, that's the other thing. That's why the O's still have some fondness because like before the Ravens, I had those Cal teams and like they were fucking, it was so weird to go from

both the Ravens or the Orioles being awesome and they were just dog shit until my senior year of high school, that was the year they were like, they led the AL East out of nowhere and then we fucking collapsed. And so that was the year they were like, they led the AL East out of nowhere and then we fucking collapsed. And so that was the last time that I like believed in the Orioles. And then it happened, you know, we almost, we lost to KC when they went on to win the World Series.

So I'll always have some fondness for them. But in terms of the day to day, it's also just easier. Like football's, I've learned football is so smart and how they kind of schedule things because just What we were saying earlier one day a week Even when you're busy you can commit to one day a week and you can watch fucking Thursday night football on your phone If you need to whatever but like actually my favorite sport is probably basketball, but it's once I started getting busy It's kind of hard to follow possible to follow

Games that's why I love football like you you said, schedule-wise. Yeah. And there's no first pitch. Yeah. I've heard about your first pitch. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sam hit me up and said, your first pitch. Not bad. It wasn't videographed well, but you can't really tell, but it was fucking heat right

down the middle. It was heat? Yeah, right down the middle, dude. I think they must have slowed down the video they published, because in the moment, I remember the fucking girl that was catching being like, ah, you know, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going

to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I It was he right down the middle dude. I think they must have slowed down the video They they published because in the moment I remember the fucking girl that was catching being like ah You know that fucking you know she had to go see the team doctor afterwards. They had her fingers in splints I was right down the middle. I would say probably 98 97 97 After yeah, I was like my bad. I'm sorry yeah I remember I threw when I threw actually when I threw this touchdown pass Remember the double pass? I do remember that that was the ball. I do unfortunately remember that so Like you throwing that 98 mile an hour fastball. Yeah, this is dangerous to give to me

Where's the incinerator? No I'm a generator. Don't poon this, Bubs. I'm just showing you. No, but right after I came into the team meeting on Monday, we're all having fun, we're watching the thing, and I was like the last one to walk into the office. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or into the office, I taped up my arm, because always the quarterbacks after a big day, tape up their arm.

I threw one pass, I came in like, yeah. All right, guys, everyone started laughing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that was fucking horrible. That was bullshit. Who's a bigger, you're a big basketball guy. You had a podcast with my boy, Sam Morel. He's the man.

Who's a bigger ball guy? You or Sam? Because you guys are both Knicks fans. Yeah, well see, that's the thing. Sam, kind of the love I have for the Ravens, it's like for Sam, he has channeled that into the Knicks, because it's like, I love the Knicks. So my fandom is a little complicated where I didn't have a team growing up for basketball and I could never root for the Wizards because

DC and Baltimore is just a different thing. You know what I mean? It's sort of like Bay Area stuff where it's like Oakland, San Fran. Exactly. Everyone has their own even even like yeah, Sacramento, Oakland, San Fran. All those places are pretty close, but it's totally different fandoms where it's like, DC and Baltimore are such different cities. Where I was like, oh yeah. That was great. I'm a pro, dude. You are.

You're fun. You're fun. I know how to pod, dude. I do this, I just do this in my, I'm not even awake right now. I was just gonna say, I know, because I've been cutting you off. Sorry.

No, no, no, no, no. So, I could never root for them. So I always my fan would go to like the cooler teams, like I would really connect to certain teams. I was a big king. Those kings, the Vladivostok, I love those. Everyone did. I was a shitty Warriors fan at that. Sure. But you guys were so bad back then. So bad. I was choking out the coach, which is cool. It was kind of cool. I had his jersey. He doesn't.

But the Kings were hot that time. They were fucking cool. We were having a baby. And they were so fucking good. Yeah, Jason Williams before they traded a baby. But I, and so I always gravitated to some cool team would like win my affection for a few years. But then once Giannis came into the league,

I am such a huge Giannis fan. I mean, it's like to have a Greek basketball player be one of the best players in the world and at times in the last few years the best player in the world and even with what Jokic is doing, I just think like Yanis, even making that team halfway decent is it's insane how fucking good he is. And so I he's my probably my favorite athlete right now and in terms of basketball rankings He's my guy. I always like to keep up with him and but Sam Morrell has been like a Nicks fan for fucking ever and don't lie ever come back. I don't think so, man Unfortunately, it's not financially viable real seam heads. No. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, unfortunately, we don't pod for the love of the game

We do it for a paycheck So do you remembered when the Ravens moved in yeah that whole thing is it safe to say that pretty much even this game that we're about to talk to is pretty much based off the Foundational success of what Bill Belichick was building in Cleveland. No chance. No way. And then went to Baltimore.

I don't think you know. It's just based on, I guess. And Ozzie Newsom. Yeah. Ozzie. That was a Patriot guy. Was he? How long was he with Bill?

I mean, I think Bill was part of the guys that drafted him early, but in the Giants. There's like some real crazy connections to that so I don't really see it That way I don't see it involved a little bit It's kind of like if like here's the thing about the all your you guys are fucking nerds They do your job shit fucking sucks And by the way, you're just lucky that Tom Brady like why the fuck did he accept pay cuts from cheap-ass Robert Kraft? That motherfucker should have opened up the playbook. Yeah, yeah, you fucking prick. He underpaid Brady his whole fucking,

and maybe that's why he had to keep playing and his marriage dissolved. Maybe, honestly, the Patriots ruined Tom Brady's life. They milked him for all he's worth, and then they're like, Tom, get back fucking out there. All he had was football, so his beautiful family's destroyed now.

Maybe there's a little bit of the Ravens that the Patriots helped perhaps They've definitely ruined their best players lives though. I mean you guys are in shambles right now. He was in Tampa at that time Yeah, but you know, it's gone. He had to keep playing You soaked him for everything. They got divorced in Tampa. Yeah, not in New England Exactly. That's why they wasn't in New England. That was what was keeping it together? I don't know. I'm not getting in that one. I love that the Patriots are...

Like it pisses me off that you might... No offense to fucking... I feel bad rooting against the kid you guys drafted because he is awesome, but I want nothing. I want nothing but bad things for Drake May. Just because it's too soon for you guys to have a good quarterback, but I want nothing. I want nothing but bad things for Drake May. And just because it's too soon for you guys to have a good quarterback, that's fucked up. And also I hate that you made the right call because I do think that Vrabel's just so fucking perfect.

Now I'm stupid though. He's a nerd though. So the fact that I like all of this might mean it also is going to fail. And that's what I'm crossing my fingers on. Because like I'm enjoying you guys being in shambles Like again, you're the most successful one with the best life. How hilarious is that? He's fucking blowing it in the booth and you know it zoom in on Edelman's face when I said that

He's killing it. Yeah. There's a hard cut when I said that. We just go to fucking me. Oh, the cameras are down. He's blowing it. Fucking Belichick is basically Robert De Niro's character for Bad Grandpa at this point. The fuck is he doing on the beach, dude? Why are you so proud of fucking that shit?

His girlfriend wasn't even alive when they won their first Super Bowl, dude Now he's podcasting and going to cut he's probably took the college job So his girlfriend would have people to her age to talk to So I'm enjoying the Patriots crumbling basically and you know, hey if Drafting Ozzy Newsome led to all that, maybe it's worth it, man. Maybe it's worth it. Wow. Wanna get into the game? I got more, it's up to you, actually.

So what was a young star like growing up? Yeah, dude, I just fuck it. You're a great guy, but I hate the Patriots. Hey. I would too. And it's like, it even like seeps into like I just fuck it. You're a great guy, but I hate the Patriots I would too and it's like it even like seeps into like how much I hate every Boston team and thing but Whatever great tech great town for comedy. I think I'm gonna be there on the second half of the dreamboat tour Let's plug that the first half of the dreamboat tour is out now folks grab some tickets We're gonna fuck it. It's's an awesome tour I went with my mother and saw it stuff killed it the crowd work was insane he actually called on a guy to do some kind of dad stuff the guy ended up dying yeah his

dad was dead and then another guy you call dead dad in the audience two people he calls out of like 8,000 10,000 people both that thanks. Thank God you though the CT you can't do math There was like 2,000 people there I wouldn't be here if I was selling 10,000 tickets a day. I'll tell you that much I'd be in a fucking mansion fucking ignoring your calls Then it's suiting for me to tell the story about when I was in the parking lot yes on your Leave I'm leaving your show. My mom is there and I'm with my boys big house and We see your big-ass fucking bus. I'm like my boys, big house, and we see your big ass fucking bus.

I'm like, man, that thing's badass. Green? Green? It rules, yeah, it's like a little, some kind of blue-green type thing. Yeah, blue-green, and so I see it, and I gotta piss like a race horse, but there's a lot of people in there.

But you guys had a cool setup where it was a private little Yeah, yeah, yeah. Little setup. You used the bus for shelter? Yeah, and so I'm like, mom, my mom's smoking a stoke. Love that. Out in the back of my car, my boys watching out, I open up passenger door.

Don't get it on your shoes, Jules. Yes, yes. Pretty good. So I do the old passenger door. You open the passenger door, you piss, like you're like, there's a dude walking, so I'm like looking for something in the side door, but piss like you're like, there's a dude walking from like looking for something in the side door but also pissing on my shoe.

While I'm zipping up, I walk out and I'm like, mom, we gotta get the fuck out of here. I think someone saw. She throws at her and Blake Griffin, while I'm zippering my fucking, Blake Griffin drives by and he's like, yo, I'm like, yo, what's up Blake, what's good? So, awesome show.

Thank you, man. Awesome show. All the stars are out. How did you get into comedy? Did you get, like, being a son of immigrant folks from Greece, living in Baltimore, I've always been close, I've been close with a few comics. There was some kind of traumatic something.

Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah. What was that traumatic thing that brought you to comedy? Just this I know there was one big I start crying Well, I don't really like to talk about this in public is the mood completely shifts no, there was not one Did you get into comedy? Molested in a way that made it happen It's just sort of it it just, you know, I would say a little, little bits of day to day trauma, nothing crazy, you know, immigrant family, and you know, no one knows how to communicate.

No one knows how to talk when they're fucking pissed off. And then you go to Baltimore city public schools where I'm just like, I grew up in such a gentle way because my parents, like the beginning, the beginning they were, I was a test tube baby, it took them forever to have kids. So I was like the bubble boy where they didn't let me out and do shit. I wanted to play Pop Warner, but they wouldn't let me.

Actually, probably correctly, like they didn't want me fucking, they were just scared of a little kid. Why correctly? I mean, I think you know why. No, not what we're talking about. I know you're on the payroll, so we won't want me fucking, they were just scared of a little kid. Why correctly? I mean, I think you know why. I know you're on the payroll, so we won't get into it, but you're fucking, Goodell hit your shock collar, you can't talk about it. Hey, games of names.

There's no evidence that it's worse than heading a soccer ball. Okay, it's not fucking worse. Little as kids ramming their heads into each other. But anyway, we don't need to go into it. The ball head up. So no Pop Warner. So no Pop Warner. But and so, but then you go to Baltimore city public schools where it's like they

were like really I was supposed to be I was a very like well mannered like it's hilarious how different I became and then you just just everyone it's just everyone shitting on each other it's like you know public school is just people and you're like a chubby little white guy you know what I mean you just have to learn real quick be funny or you will be the everyone will just shit on you forever And so sports are actually really helpful too because like once I started playing I played you know, I played soccer But then in high school I did play football And that was and I wrestled and I played a little lacrosse

But I just loved the camaraderie of the team and like the ball-busting nature of it. So I think just you know going to public school in like kind of shitty areas and then just growing school in like kind of shitty areas, and then just growing up in a kind of shitty area, and just, it was a way to like, humor was always like a diffusion thing, I think, for me, whether it's a tense moment at home or out at school, and then it became a way of like,

oh, I guess I'm good at this, and it's getting me attention, and then that's it, man, you just do whatever, everything we do is for just, you know, some sort of attention. Now when was it your first time that you got a shot and you're like, man, I think I finally made it? That's weird, dude, because like, I don't have, what happened to me was one day,

I was just, I was randomly in Vegas shooting a short film that, you know, it was fun, but it's not like, it wasn't a big deal, it was just, I wanted to kind of practice acting, I was losing money doing it. And I'm just walking in Vegas, this is like, I don't know, when that first tour was starting, and just people started coming up to me.

And like, my career changed because I started posting on the internet, in a way that I never thought Like everyone usually you have the story of like you get cast in something they see you in something You know back in the day was like you do a tonight show and you're a star the next night None of that happened to me dude. It was like you know, I had a podcast that was pretty successful ten years ago that I started with some friends and there would be like specific weird internet people that you meet but then like I started posting these

like reels because everybody else was doing it and I was putting a YouTube special out. And like four months into that dude, I was like, I think I'm probably less famous now than I was at the height of those, for whatever reason the algorithm just was, I was stuck in there. And that weirdly, shout out to YouTube shorts,

TikTok and fucking reels, who now have kind of slowed down on my stuff. But there was a golden six months where I was fucking everywhere. And that really was what started. And I think I was lucky that I, you know, I think my stuff's good. And if you see it, if you're,

if you like discover me that way, I think there's a high percentage of people that like came to my shows. And then my shows were good and something different than that. So I think I've just was lucky to have a a to pop at the right time when I had enough stuff for people to go check out Hell yeah, and I mean it's gotten you all the way to the point, you know popping off on the internet to where you're writing your own movies

Let's start a cold. Yeah, that's why you brought in the cold Big in of our thing. No, I don't think so I think he's a cult Patriots fan like a Yeah, well it is a cult of dorks. Yeah a cult of dorks. Yeah, it's cool People showboat by the way do your job sucks. It's cooler to fucking spike and do cool dances and do minor crimes I think it's cooler when you know you do yoga poses with your girlfriend Yeah, dude, that's cool you see that fucking picture the first thing you think of is cool. Kind of maybe if you say it like that. Cool. Oh nice. Great job Bill. Oh Nice great job bill

Mac if he's panicking think about how he's gonna spin that on his next All right, let's get in the fucking writers room He's killing he's the man he's fucking great he's the man he's so funny You know it's he he has a really great perspective And he's so funny. You know, he has a really great perspective because the kickers and punters see everything in the locker room from afar. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

When the team is coming in and out of meeting, because they don't have that many meetings. Totally. Their work capacity is not that much. Yeah. So there's a lot of just chilling for them. Yeah, yeah. And his experiences from what he saw, I mean, it's very true.

It's a punter and kicker. They see everything because they're in all the meetings. Yeah, they're watching the locker room. They're watching the weight room. They have full like VIP pass to everywhere and they're on the team. Right. Right. Right. It's the perfect. It's yeah, you're almost it almost was weirdly training to be like an embedded journalist because you're there. And he was fucking, you know, he was great.

He was always he's great. And he was just he's like great. There's like a few punters you remember growing up. And it's like he's he was definitely one of the things. His little McGregor walk. Yeah, he was a flurry punter. He really was. Yeah. And so but yeah, I made so much sense.

That shows fucking great, obviously. Now, traveling on the road road you're on tour right now Is there like I saw your big green bus you take that everywhere it just pretty much I mean, this is the first bus tour. This is the first year. I'm rolling mad in style Full yeah, it fucking rules dude. I just I'm trying to Every tour would just ruin me dude cuz it's so you have access to the best stuff Yeah, it's just like you could just get like and I did I was just getting really fucked up I was just like eating you know just so you just eat whatever the

fuck you want though it's just such a like it's such a like he then he didn't he didn't stick lifestyle if you want that and if that's your thing and that is my thing I mean I like fucking having a good- ass time and it would just fuck me up so bad. And this is before the buses when we were like flying places and you'd be fucking hung over and just taking whatever just to kind of get through the day. And so I decided like this tour, like I gained like 30 pounds on every tour

and it's just been creeping up and I'm like, not a young man anymore. And it's just like, I had to get the bus. We got a little fridge stocked with Costco meats in there. I mean the pre-sliced Costco. Let's go like London broil or whatever the fuck sirloin with little with some fucking canned canned beans. We're living like real divorce dad style in that fucking bus right now. But the macros are pretty good. And if I get two to three good meals and then if we have a couple slutty meals a week, that's not the end of the world.

No. Now do you sleep on this bus? Sleep on the bus. You fucking, at night, you just, it's like time travel. You just went, like, we were in Phoenix last night and I woke up in Burbank this morning is a comfy bed dude it rules You're so like it's the feeling of being a little ass kid and your parents put you in a car seat And you're just for a ride until you go to sleep like it's incredible

I didn't think I would like it and then I did Burt Kreischer had Had a tour a couple years ago, and I did like a weekend on it And I slept in like I sleep better there than I did on like we got this gorgeous Airbnb in LA last time I was here Way worse than the fuck like we were missing the bunks. It was fucking hilarious Yeah, and then like now nowadays everything's on the internet. You could just watch TV on your iPad TVs you got two TVs going it's nice. It's fun. It's better to travel I I love taking when I would go from Boston in New York I'd love taking the train and tracks the best Amtrak's easy I love you got Wi-Fi you can knock out

It's the same amount of time damn near yeah takes you hour to get to the airport hour back in the city our flight And it's shit. No one's fucking hassling you can smuggle things Now what's into these slutty meals? What's a slutty meal? What's our slutty, I mean yesterday what did we do? Where'd you go? I mean just like a nice fucked up breakfast burrito. Like when you add so much shit,

a $13 entree ends up being $29 somehow. That's just in general. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. But we're talking meats, guac, fries in the burrito, all that kind of shit. Fry in the burrito guy? Yeah, we had a, yeah,'re talking meats guac fries in the burrito all that kind of shit frying a burrito guy Yeah, we had a yeah for sure for a breakfast burrito. That's a California. Yeah, I took my cap Are you are you chorizo or are you bacon?

Depends on the mood. I'm in you know I Opted for steak plus chorizo yesterday. I got wild what I'm saying. I got fucking insane I I did a $30 $30 Breaks for with every dip and sauce available I'm a big dipper to you got a dip big gotta sauce things up It could take things to the next level always some people think it's trashy. I just think it's fuck that dude It's trashy to use dips to fucking live a little I like putting a one sauce on like my white rice Okay, like that's how I like maybe they're coming from a one sauce is dog shit I like a one

sauce is like when people are like well I'm not gonna use ketchup I'm not an animal let's get a one you know what I mean it's it's trash trying to be class you know offense no I know a one you gotta let go of any other dip I'm with you I mean I hate to really love stab you in the back are you ranch guy like when I'm a big ranch guy whenever I trashy too so maybe I'm with you. I hate to immediately stab you in the back. Are you ranch guy? Like whenever I eat.

I'm a big ranch guy. And that is trashy too. So maybe I'm a hypocrite here. Whenever I eat Greek food, I always bring in ranch. Oh. God damn it dude. I like to dip my ear in ranch. Ranch with Greek food?

Tzatziki, have you ever had tzatziki? I think. We have our fucking version of ranch. I think tahini and tzatziki, I think it's a bad ranch. No, what the fuck are you talking about? We don't even, Tahini's not even us. That's more of the Middle East. We're, you know, right in the middle,

right on the other side. But no, you gotta go to Tzatziki. You can't do ranch. Like, what are you dipping in ranch? I just eat, or a hot sauce. I like to put hot, like a different hot sauce. I like, like, my gyro in there. Or I like, like, when I have a kebab, or, like, I like. You gotta, like a different hot sauce. I like my gyro in there. Or I like when I have a kebab.

Or I like. You gotta get tzatziki. You might just be going to a place with bad tzatziki. There's some great shit out here. Now what kind of ranch, because this is important too. There's a ranch here in LA. I forgot what it's called, but it's a mom and pop ranch. Okay, you might be winning me about.

Comes in like a mayonnaise looking thing. Is it refrigerated? Oh yeah. Good, okay. It goes bad after a week That's a you know, it's a real sauce. All right Then maybe there's some this ranch is killer and they got a great blue cheese that I always have to get for Rob because he loves Blue cheese. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I get that. All right

I'm willing to I'm gonna have to try this ranch before I come in with the ultimate heat like Deciding whether that's trashy or not. I use that ranch with everything. Okay. I like ranch. That is good. Yeah, pizza on ranch, fine. I don't, I don't, I can't, I don't give a fuck about that. But we have every, so Middle Eastern food,

whether it's like any kebab style cuisine, has their own garlic sauce. I know. You just have to tap into the right one. I like those garlic sauces. Like the garlic sauce that they always give you. Yeah, well they're- It's just a little too much garlicky. See, that's, so that's more of the like pure garlic sauces. Like, the garlic sauce that they always give you. It's just a little too much garlicky.

See, so that's more of the pure middle east. That's why I'm saying tzatziki. You just haven't given tzatziki a chance. I gotta get to tzatziki. Like, good tzatziki. The way I do it, it's just full fat Greek yogurt, good olive oil, you fucking plane, you hit the garlic in a zester,

so it's fucking tiny as shit. Like, it really gets in there And and then just salt and pepper. I don't even fuck with Cucumbers because cucumbers don't hold as well, and this is just a very nice garlicky Slightly healthier than ranch also you can make it you can make it healthy, too Yeah, I know you kind of need to lose a couple pounds, so I just go want to give you a couple tips But anyway, that's my you we tapped into sauces I just go, I want to give you a couple tips. Dude, I'm an eater though. I love food. But anyway, that's my, we tapped into sauces.

This is when you know, at every podcast, whenever some kind of food item comes up, I will go off for 12 minutes uninterrupted. So we can move on. Eight minutes, that was eight minutes. We can move on, but I do love a sauce. And I would just say, try a more authentic jajjiki. The ranch I see where you're coming from though,

your heart is in the right place. Right place, right place. So you have the Costco cold cuts on the bus. There's gotta be some fun stories coming from the, like everyday life stuff, like when you're in the locker rooms doing a fucking trick on one of your boys or a prank on one of your boys.

When you're around people for so long, there's gotta be fun. Yeah, I mean, it's tough though because we are trying to be just. Pros. We're trying to just be a little better this time. You know what I mean? Like, and I mean, yeah, well, it is kind of locker roomy

because it's, you know, I travel with, my tour manager is my boy, Eldis, who's, we've been friends since we were literally five years old And then everybody else like we had a buddy of mine Come on. He's he's our nutrition expert He just is our friend who was fat as shit in college and now isn't he has no other credentials And he has an online job so he can like work from the bus sometimes So it's like people I've known for years. So it's just like, we've settled into such a rhythm

that it's so comfortable, it's not even like pranking, fucking, we kind of got that out of our system so, so long ago. Now it's just a steady stream of insults and just sort of getting high in the bus and watching Friday After Next, just kind of. We're running through the whole Ice Cube filmography right now. Hey 20s not a 16

Shit he's a love those right. All right. Can you build me a starting five basketball team with comic ooh? Wow, this is very interesting. Hmm. Who's the tall? All right. We'll say more I Sam Sam's got to be there. He's got be in there. Gary Gorman, he's big. He's a six, seven. He's tied in in Boston College. Yeah. He came on the show. Yeah, oh, sick.

I love Gorman and a legend, one of the best, a completely underrated comedian who is just such a, like just, his writing is so good and not just like on a granular joke by joke level, but like it's all connected and he's somebody that, you know, when you grow as a comic he was definitely an inspiration but he's 6'7 he can shoot we could use the size that's not a bad frontcourt I guess I have to be on the team I have to be the floor general I'll be running

points setting a lot of a lot of meaty picks yeah the guy you don't see me I am the pick guy for real And I do what I weigh 300 pounds. So it's like that's a Coming. Yeah Yeah, I've had very large strong men be shocked at what it felt like to bump into me So that's kind of my number one strength on the court And then fuck who do we have a sandler? Oh the Sandman. That's huge. That's huge. I love what we're doing here. I love what we're doing here.

All right, I guess let's finish the theme of Jews and me. Who's the boy there? How about Rick Glassman? He brags about being great at basketball. I've never seen it, but he's a very authentic, he's a very honest, autistic man, so I'll take it. Does Blake Griffin count? Blake has done comedy.

All right, we're gonna get him converted, we're gonna get him double circumcised, and we're gonna put him on the team. So it's gonna be me, Blake, me, Blake, Gary Goldman, Sam Merrill, and the Sandman, I love that. That's a great team. I think he would actually do pretty well. That's not a bad team.

There's one part of the team that could maybe use a little sprucing up, but he sets some great picks. Great picks. He sets some great picks. Like a little Dilla Dova? Yeah, yeah, exactly. I'm an effort guy. I'm Delva Dova. We'll be right back after this quick break.

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You like those? I like the original ones. I didn't see that. I have not seen The Hobbit franchise. You haven't seen The Hobbit. You like those? I like the original ones. I have not seen The Hobbit franchise. No. I haven't either. I'll throw them out someday. Number one song, Locked Out of Heaven, Bruno Mars. It's bringing me back.

Is it bringing you back? Yeah. What was a young Stavi in 2013 like? 2013. Is this a before? We're popping off. We're still in the grind. Definitely not. We are not popped off at all. 2013, yes. In fact, I remember this year, I would be very, very shortly, my college girlfriend would break up with me because

I was doing too much comedy and not paying any attention to her. In fact, I watched this game in her living room while she was just like mad at me in her bedroom. So I remember this pretty vividly. I was about to have to move back in with my parents. She was not going good for me in 2013. I was about to get a paralegal job by lying about my credentials. Yeah, I was it was like, but I was having I was having a pretty good time. Like the Ravens were on a heater flat. Flacco mania was sweeping Baltimore. It was yeah. And and I see here that was the year Janice got drafted. Janice, that was huge. Yep.

That was all you remember that. I do remember that. Yeah. You knew who he was before I did. No, but any anytime a Greek player Yeah, it gets a first round rate like and this is what I was really into hoops like so I was following all that stuff So I was I was really pumped and you know I was just any any time any Greek guys on a radar So I was paying attention. What's the Mount Rushmore Greeks of just Greeks? total

Alexander the great I guess is kind of up there. Fuck, let's see here. I guess like... Giannis? He's got to be in there. What's that? Giannis is there for sure. For sport.

For sports, for sure. I guess like Play-Doh? Play-Doh? Came up with some good shit. Good shit. Kind of like the basis of how we kind of think about everything I guess. We got that down.

And then yeah, whoever invented the pork gyro. That's not that guy's number four. The first Greek guy to fucking cook, you know, throw a little tzatziki and shaved pork on a pita bread, he's number four. The guy who invented the little thing that you put the garlic in to make it really The guy who mints garlic the best so that's a Mount Rushmore Greeks. What's the mouse rush more freaks? Oh a freak. Oh damn. We might this is gonna get you fucking age-restricted

I can't give my true answers, but you have a patreon feed we can do it there This is the New Orleans Saints bounty gate, that's right you remember that I do great Wilson Yeah, this is Williams It was interesting watch it because I went back and watched a few highlights from this year just to kind of get in The zone and it really does feel like the last gasp of Really fucking people up on television. Well, they like there were some this specific game Yeah, people like Ray got called on one. Yep, and then we didn't get called on one where it's like Oh like and then clearly like nowadays those would have been penalties

There was a couple guys getting hit near the out-of-bounds. I'm like, oh my where's the flag? And there was no flag totally totally it really was shocking Tom Brady tried to fucking kick. I don't know if you Ride. Yeah. Yeah, not a guy and read the greatest defensive player of all time He tried to kind of cleat him kind of dirty. He's like no he was No, he wasn't you see what happened to Trevor Lawrence this year. Yeah. Yeah Machine and looks forward to what happened to Trevor Lawrence this year. Oh, yeah Yeah, you know when he had a guy machine and looks forward to what happened to Trevor Lawrence You have been Trevor Lawrence he goes down like this Nothing. It's insane. How high is fucking like is he looks like a rocket He almost kicks him in the jaw

He almost kicks him in the jaw. Anyway, but it was a good, yeah, this was a fucking, this was a, this, this is taking, I remember exactly where I was in my life. Adrian Peterson. What, what happened in the sports world? Yeah, we got, we win, Adrian Peterson MVP. That was cool. This is Peyton Manning's first year at the Broncos. You mentioned earlier, Maya Halla Miracle.

Bounty Gate, you mentioned Also, this was the first year Suffolkses were allowed on NFL jerseys. Shout out to Steve Smith Sr. That's right. He was the first one. There was a group, but yeah. Oh yeah, Suffolks. And that's a hilarious one, when he,

Steve Smith rules, but it is like, really, they're confusing you with your four-year-old son. You have to be Steve Smith Sr. Have you met Steve? No, but he's the man. He's the man. He was so good. When he came I was pumped. We had a couple really, like, we have a nice history of getting these guys

who are established, but also you're like, oh yeah, that guy should have been a fucking raving his whole career. He really felt like one of those guys. Even when we got McNair for that one season where we lost to Payne Manning, he's the fucking man. And he was like, he was like he was it was like even though we used to be our rival like he's one of the first guys I remember hate like before this is again how old it feels crazy to feel this old

But when the divisions were different and we were in the Titans like they were a big rival of ours Yeah, but it was that year. I really thought we were gonna fucking win that That Cam Ward kid reminds me of Steve McNair. Yeah, that's interesting. A little bit. Orlowski said something, I'm not saying that. He said that and then I started watching, I was like, that does really look like McNair a little bit. That's cool.

That's also the problem of whenever you get a, those comparisons are dangerous because then you just remember how much you love the guy they're comparing him to. It's like, oh, this guy's gonna be good. And then you fabricate on really. Totallyricate on really totally totally kind of really does But he's not him. Hopefully he will see it's just different cuz fucking McNair came from where like he like that's the weird thing These guys have so much hype on them so early. That's tough

It doesn't allow them to just kind of like yeah, where do McNair play somewhere hilarious? I wonder Blake Alcorn State University. You know what I mean? A guy with that kind of talent, maybe if he had the microscope on him from the beginning, it wouldn't have worked out. But the fact that he got this sort of like, no pressure ease into it, because this quarterback class seems,

I don't follow the draft stuff as much as I just, I like to just watch the games. I really have settled into just being a fucking dumb ass fan who's just like, my team's good, the other team's bad with no other like, you know, research. But it seems like the QB class is kind of thin. And whenever that happens, you get guys who might've been

good players if they were picked in the second or third round that aren't number one picks. You know what I mean? It's crazy now, like you said, he came from a smaller school, Steve McNair. I don't think you're gonna see as much of that nowadays Yeah, because look at all these quarterbacks. They've all transferred five different schools. You have one good year in a one double a you're going to Florida the next year You know what I mean agency world

Yeah, which is it's kind of sad because you're not gonna see maybe the Josh Allen's that come out of the Wyoming's I make narrows that come out of the one double A's Right, right, right, you know, let's jump into this game. Let's do it So this 2012 Patriots team went 12 and 4 this was the 13th year for coach head Bill Belichick They had lost the year prior to the New York Giants in the Super Bowl But we fucking but that was the that was a heartbreaker for us for the field goal to tie the game Yeah, because we haven't fucking missed it motherfucker. That's why don't fucking tie the don't fucking sweep that under the road Sterling more it's so hard

Lee Evans was not good that whole year and it was just like wow is he gonna redeem himself? No, he's gonna fucking sterling more No, he fucking should have caught that and we should have tied all right but I'm so annoying but at least you lost the Giants so that's one thing that does give you the annoying that does it's kind of like chess where it's like we at least we beat you in this one and then I know losing the fucking Eli twice must fucking kill the whole team especially Brady it must fucking hurt dude. Yeah, it's good So it's good. So in the long run we made a sacrifice I you know, but anyway, this is our revenge on that fucking dogshit game

We should have won two different ways. So we've kind of got I just want I want to clear it up We kind of heard it. What's your perception of this specific Patriots generation team? It's tough because brand so Randy Moss was my favorite player before we had the Ravens like I would love those Vikings teams and And being a little ass kid being like, you know, oh purple to purple great You know what? I mean, like I remember in fact, I remember here's how much I still had a little fondness for Randy in particular is when it was the when we beat who was it the Raiders I don't know who the AFC championship was the first championship 2000 no that was the Patriots or that probably was the Raiders

either the Raiders anyway I know we played the Raiders they were good as fuck that's where everybody thought was gonna win. We might have played them earlier. Yeah, Raiders, 63. Yeah, so the other side was the Giants, Vikings, and part of me being a little kid was like, I hope the Vikings win, so then both my teams were in the, like that's how much I loved Randy Moss, because he was, you're a little kid, that guy's fucking,

it's incredible. Yeah, free. Yeah, at any time. I have his Raiders, I have his Raiders Randy Moss Jersey actually and And so that was tough because it was the first time any like I had to root for and You weren't like at this, you know, it wasn't the the Death Star yet. You hadn't won enough

Super Bowls, but it was still annoying. It was still like it was still three. We want to be Yeah, we want to be you guys and we hadn't won until But it was still annoying. It was still like it was still three. We want to be yeah We want to be you guys and we hadn't won until Like by this point we had a pretty nice rivalry. It's but like kind of jumped off by that game We didn't talk about your rookie year Yeah, you know like that was we we always played the this was a rivalry. That's what people don't realize it really yeah Because we would play each other because we always won our divisions in the regular season Yeah, all the ones play each other in the regular season.

And then we would always play each other in the playoffs. And the Baltimore Ravens were never scared to come to Foxboro. There was teams that used to shit their pants when they had to drive on Highway 1 and get up in there where fucking we used to play the game. Baltimore came in in 09. They didn't give a fuck. They beat our ass right when the jump of that game. They came in.

That first quarter was one of the best moments of my life. Again, I remember that. I met my, this is how, again, how bad my life was at the time. I think I have an extra semester. I conned some small business to give me, I interview really well, but I'm bad at every job I ever get. And so I was, I had finished school and I didn't graduate. To give me I interview really well, but I'm bad at every job I ever get and so good I was I was I had finished school and I didn't grab I was on scholarship

But I didn't graduate and I got an internship with some like local like business consortium that paid for tuition and I had like no money. They were just like covering barely anything. So I watched this game I couldn't afford to like go to a bar or do anything. I was like a super senior going to a fucking a dorm rec rec room and just eating free Papa John's. So it was just me alone just shoveling Papa John's into my mouth. But that first quarter was like, you know, I'm just alone with a bunch of like dork at like other losers who are 18 instead of 20, whatever who have an excuse to be there but Fucking seen seen a steamroll the patrons and that for a game. We shouldn't have what we're you guys were great that year We were great, but we got hurt. Yeah, well west got hurt and that was a big thing

It still was oh, yeah, who should have stepped up to fill that void? I balled out that game. Yeah, that's right. I'm not gonna lie, but it wasn't enough I was a score when you got your first touchdown 24 zero The point is I hated this team it was not they weren't quite the like level of After you know after after after the and now, you know after the Falcons game It's like fuck these motherfuckers man. They They can't, they get this too, they get a sick comeback. That was when it was like, I'll never want anything good to happen

to the Patriots for 20 years. But back then it was just, they're good as shit. No, everyone seems to be, I always felt we were as good in that same, like when your team is never scared to go into anywhere and they play tough defense they could play with anyone It gives you that confidence as a fan to be like, yeah, fuck it, dude any game we can win and I always felt like I always felt like you know, we had we were

We were at the level of the best teams in the NFL. Those are those Ravens teams And I think getting one Super Bowl kind of validates that it's like it's just hard as shit to win Super Bowl so the fact that we even scraped one out of there in the midst of like, your run and all these other great teams, you know, Peyton and those Broncos teams, like all that shit happened kind of in, that was a, that was a, the top teams in the league were good as fuck.

And I always felt like we, with sometimes you could argue inferior talent across the roster, we're just like, that's what I love about the Ravens, man. We just put together a fucking insane team and the other stars at the top, but We make just whoever comes into our system become become really good usually defensive players But it's even started being I think our offense obviously has gotten a lot better in recent years But so yeah, that's what I remember. It was just like fuck these guys. They think they're better than us

We're just as good. That was always the vibe. What are your thoughts on the Boston fans as a whole? I mean, one of the most coddled generations of fans of all time. Lucky as shit, they fuck it. They think they're like, that's the thing. They need to feel pain. This fucking sucks. The Celtics can't keep winning. You can't get a good fucking quarterback again

It sucks. They need you deserve 40 years of oh, you said 20 though. I Okay, I said 20 years at 20. I would start being like this is a little much Let's I hope these guys would know how many years are we into that sentence then we're like gotta be six five six All right, so what Celtics won a championship? Five six six all right so what Celtics won a championship? So the Celtics reset the whole thing oh something to reset it resets we are to 20 again So are the Patriots your most hated team? Steelers you hate the Steelers more probably just from that again just the classic local division rival the Steelers shit and then but

Cincinnati the Steelers shit and then but Cincinnati Not really. I mean, I know burrow recently burrows, you know burrow deserves that level of ire But there's such a fucking clown show. They don't know how to run an organization at all that they're wasting his fucking prime So they just had to shut out the dickhead owners. Yeah, finally, how long did that take them? I know but you know, you're not a Marchase and Higgins, but they always wait too long and they're probably too fucking stupid I don't understand the cat but it doesn't seem like they do and they own a fucking team And so they it doesn't seem like you should sign your best players at the fucking end You'll end up like the fucking Cowboys. You know what I mean? So I don't think they know what the fuck they're doing and that makes me feel good

So you don't hate them not yet If I mean burrow has the burrow definitely has the ability to get me to hate them for sure. And then, you know, yeah. And the Browns, you just kind of feel bad. It's just hilarious. I went to school in Ohio and I was around Northeast Ohio and those people love the Browns. Yeah. They love them more than anything. It's been a toilet bowl for a long time. It's crazy.

And it doesn't look like it's getting any better. No, sir. No. I feel bad. Crazy, it doesn't look like it's getting any better. No sir. No, I feel bad What are you before we move on? What were your thoughts on the resurgence of Joe Flacco in Cleveland last year or two years ago? Yeah, I mean it's hard for me not to root for like at the end of the day I was not scared of that team and it's like I part of me. I mean wait Did he say I've been out did he actually style the Steelers or is that a rumor?

No, I don't know. I saw a rumor that he might anyway, so that would hurt that would have been brutal that would have been What is it about Joe Flacco? I mean this run honestly That's also another reason I picked this game is that like I think what is it is that like yeah? He had a legendary run, and I think he's fucking really good and To be able to do this you have to be one of the best like it's crazy the amount of people that go on a who have their best football during the during a Super Bowl run is it's the best thing of all time but I think I think there's something about him he feels relatable he's a mid-atlantic guy he's like he seems like a guy you might have grown up with it's cool

You know from kind of I think he's like from the Philly burbs. He went to Delaware. Yeah, the fucking Delaware He started he played in he played in Baltimore. It's like he's got that I know even though he's not from Baltimore. He feels like a guy from Baltimore It was never complicated the motherfucker just threw a beauty threw beautiful deep ball. And he was faster than what people, like he was, we used to, I remember Bill always talking about Flanko, like don't let this motherfucker out the pocket. Yeah, yeah.

Now I'm just telling you, when he gets going, he's hard to bring down. Yeah, he had a. He's a big fucking guy. He's fucking huge. He's big guy. He's huge, and I think there was just something awesome about him where it was like, you just, again, I also think there's a relatability in some ways even though again world-class quarterback

You shouldn't relate to him You have nothing the average fucking idiot on his couch has nothing in common with Joe Flacco But at the end of the day, it's like he's from he is from Delaware like he he is a guy from around where we're from and He nobody really believed in him at any point. He put his money, and I think for me anyway, and for other people, I think you could watch that and get inspired and be like, I just need to fucking get it together when it fucking

matters. And I could be a fucking legend forever. And Joe had, we had great years and I loved rooting for him, but I think it was the combination of getting you a Super Bowl and just like how relatable and how much like, like people ask him now in interviews, like, Oh, do you, and they'll kind of try and get him to like talk about how good the Ravens are. But he's still like, I'm playing motherfucker. I'm still in the league. If I, I want the Ravens and I liked that attitude. It's like, he's not, he doesn't see it as like this, like retirement tour.

He sees it as like, I still got, I'm doing this fucking sign me. And I fucking love that dude. Even though he might, here's the other thing he might be wrong, right? But you need that belief. If no one's, if you have to believe yourself more than anyone else to be successful with these hard things. And he was like, for him, Giannis, like sports guys can absolutely inspire you in your life for that. And I take a lot of that from Flacco. And obviously, Giannis for how hard. Giannis is like work ethic, coming from nothing

to being one of the best. And it's just sort of that kind of underdog story. And the fact that it ends with a Super Bowl, and not just Super Bowl, but a Super Bowl that has Ray Lewis retires Ed Reed got one with us because you know Reed is my favorite Raven Even though Ray obviously is a legend, but there's just he was just so fucking cool And he was just so so incredibly good

And it was just such a special like that that kind of Super Bowl keeps you going I now did I want us to win this year? Absolutely. I love Lamar he's he's gaining on on Reed for me because he's just Incredible to watch and he's so fucking good and I would have loved There was like the numerology every 12 years the quarterbacks 28 years old I thought for sure we were winning because of that dumb bullshit and then it would have been if we had gotten that one I literally wouldn't need anotherbert for the rest of my life.

You know what I mean? Three at really pivotal points in my life would have been great, but we'll get them this year. So Ed Reed, let's, we'll jump into this Baltimore team. Yes. Good segues, Ed Reed. I remember Ed Reed's last year, he lit me up in Baltimore.

Yeah. You remember that? I don't know if you remember that. We ended up losing. Do you remember it? It was't know if you remember that. We ended up you remember it was 2000. It was this year. It was the game that I played in. Every came and he lit me up on a on a bank, a post.

Damn. And he just was so swaggy about it. Like, got a like he was just a competitor. So cool. Bill used to literally show like a 40 play cut up of every every time we played him and we're like Bill we saw this six weeks ago. He's like he just show another cut up like every this. He loves the one. That's the one Venn diagram for me and Bill Belichick is our admiration for Ed Reed is how much we how much we respect him because I've seen him talk about that and that is

fucking cool. Yeah. And he'll show those where it's like how smart he was to like he was playing mind games with Peyton Manning. It's insane. And not only that, but he'll return kicks. He'll lateral like those block kicks. So, yeah, he's up and under. We used to show all our special teams his up and under

move on blocking kicks because he was that legendary. So Ed Reed's one of your favorite guys from this team. For sure. Ray Lewis, you love him. Absolutely. Joe Flacco. Ray Lewis and Ogden, see Ogden gets forgotten in the like Ray Lewis, because Ray Lewis obviously.

Ogden was really good. You know, but like Ogden, it doesn't happen without Ogden. They draft those guys the same year. That was our, you know, and like that's, those are the cornerstones of our franchise. And he's in many ways I feel like Ogden is what the perfect left tackle became, you know It's like that he got drafted a long fucking time ago now. It was just like he was so good. It's insane

He was he was kind of like Tim Duncan where it's like it's kind of boring it gets forgotten But I don't think those team I don't think we win that first Super Bowl without him for sure. And it's like he does get a little, I want to give him his credit because he, to me it's him. I think of him and Ray Lewis as are the initial stars that got us off the ground together. And I feel like he gets forgotten too much. Offensive lineman, that's going to happen. And also his personality is just like a kind of a quiet chill guy. He's not, you know, that he's not doing the sick dances that

everybody sees. Lyman are in their own world. For sure. You kind of have to be. You're getting... But they're the reason. Yeah. I mean it's the trenches. I mean you listen to all the guys. It starts in the trenches. It's true. I love John Harbaugh as a coach. I like his story too. Special teams coach becomes head coach. That's why I loved competing against the Ravens because you knew it was going to be a tough fight. You had to bring your A game. It was going to be a battle to the end.

They were never scared to come play at our house. I mean, there's just so many carryovers. Dean Pease was my coach my rookie year with the Patriots, came over the defensive Coordinator job for the Ravens a lot of crossovers with the Ravens Patriots on the defensive side of the ball Bill He's like those guys and then you guys wore the art patch Yep for Art Modell. Mm-hmm. This must have been a fucking fairy tale fairy tale way to get to the Super Bowl Absolutely beating the guy that Art Modell fired before he left. Yeah. Well, I don't really give a fuck

if owners get their due. They can suck my dick. They're the they're the like they're the worst part of sports without question. All of them made their money in a horrific way. There's no not a single owner's done

anything good for the world. And and they get the trophy first. That's fucking crazy. I mean, whatever. Rest in peace, Art Modell. I'm glad he moved to Baltimore, but whatever. He also fucked Cleveland. It doesn't matter to me because we got fucked by shittier owners in fucking Indianapolis

now, whatever. But yeah, I don't give a fuck about it all coming together for Art Modell's legacy. I really prefer the whole Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, get one together angle. Jacoby Jones, RIP to him too. Incredible. He was the miracle. Incredible. Unreal. Had the kickoff return in the Super Bowl. He was a guy that you always circled and you knew about on the other team because he could change the play like that. Again, that's what I love about it. It's like we do have these guys like Tyron Wallace is kind of like that now where it's like these guys that kind of come out of nowhere that you do. We've always felt like a complete team in that cliche way where it's like it always is different.

Every week we'd have a guy that is good and maybe on a different team could have a more featured role, but like they would just, we would just have guys just kind of pop. And I love, yeah, Newsome and EDC, you know, right after him. I mean, I was nervous when Newsome retired because I was like, well, that's it, we're done. Because it does feel like he had such a run,

but knock on wood, we seem to be keeping it going. So to put a bow on this Ravens team They finished 10 and 6th Coming off the year last year and in six went won the Super Bowl. That's right, baby Gotta get hot at the right time Gotta get hot and that's why I'm still that's why I'm still not worried about this team We have so much talent that like they get hot they put it together I got hard to beat they just were close man. We were fucking that game was

Mars Lamar just gotta get that thing off his back. I know. And it's tough. But I get that. I just don't, I hate that criticism because it's like, yeah, this shit is fucking hard. It's fucking hard shit. Didn't win a Super Bowl for a long time. Peyton Manning is my go-to example.

They have that whole, there's the fucking graphics everyone shows Peyton Manning and my go-to example. They have that whole, there's the fucking graphics, everyone shows Peyton Manning and his career in the same place. 100%, and like if you could tell us, tell the Ravens fans, after, when Flacco, it's clearly not working out anymore, and we're kind of in a, I mean, Lamar might have saved Harbaugh's career.

I mean, shit was not, people were calling for his head. Yeah, I remember. You know, and like, thank God, that's another thing, that's the only other thing I'll ever thank Bill Belichick for, I thought for sure you were gonna draft Lamar. I was watching that draft, and I was like, fuck, this guy's gonna go to the Patriots,

I'm gonna kill myself, he's gonna be good. Because I thought he was gonna be awesome. I didn't buy into any of the like, he's a fucking wide receiver, like, he just seemed cool and like a good player. And especially at the value at that, like I was like, wow, these fucking idiots are going to look into Brady's replacement in a way that doesn't even threaten Brady because he's not some handsome pocket passer. He's a, you know

what I mean? He's like, good, you know, he had to get hit. Those couple of those guys jettisoned out of there for his self-esteem. Uh couldn't stay on the fucking roster handsome guy too handsome ready to have him around And so like Lamar's a totally different player and they clearly have so much respect for each other You see that when they like, you know have played Anyway, so thank God you passed on him But and Lamar also I kind of blame for getting me, turning me into a fan, like a fan again, because I was, I was free, I was an even more casual, and then we drafted and I was like,

I think he's gonna be fucking awesome. And I just had, and he was, and now I'm back for, you know, 10, 15 years. Now, when was this Ronnie character developed? Was he developed with Flacco, or was he developed with Lamar? It's a lifelong, yeah, because like I do, I dumb character. Because you pulled it from someone. Yeah. Was he developed with Flacco or was he developed with Lamar? It's a lifelong thing.

Yeah, because I do a dumb character. Because you pulled it from someone. Yeah, I mean dude, wherever you go, everybody has their own kind of townie that's like a fucking idiot. It's like the voice in your head, what I was talking about earlier, where it's like being a football fan is just turning into a caveman once a week. This is kind of like the, this is like personification of the dumbest fit the dumbest part of my fan brain is just Ronnie And it's like some guy from Baltimore dumb as shit minor criminal

You know most child support you know just like that kind of he's a real dirtbag Who is probably you know is stupid as shit is racist? You know to me just like just like your worst the worst football fan of all time who but who will not he'll give you his takes You know what I mean like he'll he'll really let you know how I feel so regardless if you want it regard Oh, yeah for sure you get cornered by this guy and some shitty bar. It's like you're hearing you're hearing about let's do it Let's do a little word association game with Ronnie. Okay. All right. Okay, let's do it. I'll get into character, sure. Tom Brady. System quarterback.

Tony Saragusa. Probably the greatest defensive tackle of all, Tom. Goat. Next. Old Bay. Good as hell. Cal Ripken, Jr. Also a goat, the man.

Fuck the Yankees. Lamar Jackson. You know, he's getting there. He ain't no Joe Flacco, but, you know, in a couple more years, I think he could get there. Joe Flacco. The most underrated quarterback in history on a national football league.

Oh, can we talk about Tony Saragusa for real? Like as a fat kid growing up, like he was like my hero. Like dude, Saragusa is the man man that's the other thing we've had we've had we have a long history of Fat guys to root for on the Ravens like just fat fun specifically defensive linemen where we have Sarah Goose Obviously he was I mean I was in sixth grade goose I was in sixth grade a little fat kid like again in Baltimore City schools We had cool white nose tackles in an era that helped me out a lot socially at school. We had Tony Saragusa and then when I played nose tackle and Kelly Gregg, if you remember him, he was like a

that was huge for me. Just we had cool fat white guys and then that transition to you know we it got it got a little more we had I mean Hello D'Nada, fucking awesome Pierce who just retired unfortunately, I wish you would come back good player had the fucking pick I mean the fat boy pick wearing a 50 being the fattest guy on the field wearing a 50 number awesome So you had to love wolf work, huh? I did The ribs and the overalls are Are you kidding me, dude? He's so far. Yeah, you're right. You're right. There's a couple guys. He should drive a semi truck to work

That's so like it is like without a trailer, but just a big semi fucking sick. He's the man. He was awesome Yeah, and he was a great was and I did play nose tackle So I did also kind of for that time care about nose tackles hilariously, but yeah, no I loved him. He was awesome. He was fucking cool as shit. Alright, let's get into this game. The game lead up real quick. Okay, so the Pats enter the two seed in the AFC. They got a first round by. They would roll past Houston to the vision round which was a rematch of the Letterman jacket game that we just did with Steve Ridley. You call us nerds and they wear Letterman jackets. I didn't say Houston was cool.

Fuck Houston also. They thought they were going to be going to the Super Bowl. Your fucking rookie quarterback has one good season and now you're fucking thinking you get four Super Bowls. Fuck you, Houston. I don't like seeing good teams start popping up. And I'm only mad because they are making me nervous. Because I think their coach is awesome

and I think Stroud is awesome.ouds good and when you have that combo That's a tough guy and they're cooler and they're designed by a patriot Nick Cicero the GM is that so I had no idea She's trying to make his shit. He's trying to like kind of he's got this is the reboot He's trying to do like well. He's wanting to try out and all the boys It is cool this they are kind of like a cooler version like They are cuz I look at fucking the fuck who's the who's their coach? The ball to me Corine's to me go so much cooler than Belichick not even close. He looks fucking sick as shit and Stroud same thing cooler than Brady. So they could be they could be like a cooler, it's like the reboot.

It's the all black reboot. The Patriots. The all black reboot. You look at Jimmy goes Instagram and then look at Bill's Instagram. You tell me who's more fun. You tell me who's more fun. Baltimore entered the four seed,

they beat the Colts and the Wildcats. And then we mentioned in the middle of the round, they beat Peyton Manning's Broncos and the double overtime upset the Miracle. Crazy. One of the sickest games of all's Broncos and the double overtime upset the miracle crazy Sickest games of all time with that 70 yard touchdown at the end regulation also watched the mile high miracle in my ex College girlfriend's living room while she was mad at me in her bedroom So we're two for two

She broke up with me maybe I need to get her back She's married with children now, but babe, yeah, depending on how it's looking. Next season around the playoffs, I might knock on her door. You guys get knocked out second round this year. You might have to get back. This game was also a rematch of the week three game that you mentioned where Baltimore beat the Patriots 31-30 in Baltimore. It's also worth noting, this is the second game of Championship weekend, so Jim Harbaugh had already won for the 49ers and was going to the Super Bowl. They even interviewed John before the game.

He was like, say congrats to your brother. He was like, fuck you, I'm playing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I respect that. Now what was your guys' confidence level going into this year's? Were you guys confident because you were thinking of 0-9, you're confident from the year before, were you guys almost because you were thinking of 09, you're confident from the year before,

were you guys almost one, or was this a different beast? This was totally different, this was like, it felt to me like it was a pure, when you go into it, and again, you're lucky in that you just put your fan brain on, right? Once the playoffs start, it is like, get hot, baby. But whenever you're saying, let's get hot, doesn't mean you're too confident.

Whenever you're hoping for a miracle run, which is what we had and why this was so special, is because we've all been there where it's like, actually, I've experienced this before where I went to UMBC, the first 16 seed to be the number one seed. And I remember that feeling of that game where it's like, oh, this is pretty fun.

We're giving a real run for their money. And then it's like, wait, are we gonna fucking win? Like, is this, we actually can win. And then we won, it was like, ah, I can't fucking believe it. That's kind of what this run felt like, because it was like, everyone's banged up. We were pretty banged up. We were still figuring shit out.

I definitely, you definitely believe in Flacco and you had the deep run last year. But it did feel like a, Ray was hurt. That was, we were worried about that. And these teams were good. I mean, you guys were fucking good. Peyton Manning with that defense was fucking good. And it was like in no way especially maybe though maybe though the wild card whatever but like Yeah playing Peyton Manning in Denver and then playing you in

Foxborough and then that's a road. That's a fucking tough So it was like it was kind of them It was more satisfying because like the last couple years where we are Super Bowl favorites, each game is excruciating. Each game is like, fuck, we gotta make this. But this was a magical run where I was just like, all right boys, let's see what we got. And you're just watching,

and it was the, it's the best way to win a fucking Super Bowl. Because these guys you love. 10 and six team, you're playing with house money. Yeah, yeah for sure. You guys are you love. 10 and 6 team, you're playing with House Money. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. You guys are already satisfied. For sure. After each win.

So after the Denver game, you guys would have been like, we should have been there. That's big, yeah. But also it's like, you're playing with House Money, but it didn't feel like a team that was a fluke. Because we'd been there the year before. We should have beat that. So it was like, sometimes that can be a little annoying.

Getting healthy at the right time. Yeah. Because you had guys coming back, too, I remember. Yeah, Yeah coming back and shout out to the fucking deer antler spray. It's legal Man had a problem with fucking deer on his property get off his dick But yeah, we figured it out. So that's why this was this was great, man This was this is a magical sports. Like there are some sports moments, like Greece won the Euro in 2004, which is something I never thought

we'd win a major international tournament. Giannis, Giannis from a personal standpoint of like that game six, where he had fucking 50 points and his biggest issues were the free throw and he went like 15 for 16 from three. Like he had that sick alley-oop. That was a, that was a huge sports moment for me, obviously. And then, um, it's tough to say this, I was more kind of cognizant of, like I said,

it's cool to win a Superbowl when you're in sixth grade. That's kind of, I won them in kind of perfect times. Cause it's like sixth grade when you're like 12 and then like this one, I think I was 24 or 25 where you're just like right at the end of being a dumb college kid mentally. It's like I would soon have to start worrying about my future after this, but this was still when I was like, you know, going to bars and just whoever didn't drink beer drinks. I was just like, just, you know, just being broke as shit dirt bag. That's the time to win a super bowl. So I'm very happy with both. This was just a magical Super Bowl to watch so we're at or

We're watching the Super Bowl Patriots jump out three AFC champ. I'm sorry AFC champs championship. It was a magical Super Bowl run That's how good it was that this is the forgotten game in it I know easy because it's huge like this game. I forget this game because I really didn't play. But then I watched we watched doing the to do the research. Yeah. Man, I remember there was three plays. There was three plays. And you guys were a great. You did get hurt. But your offense was fucking incredible.

Yeah, but we didn't have Gronk. So Gronk was in the owner's box. And Julian, where were you when you were hurt? I was in San Francisco. They wouldn't even fuck. They're like, I wasn't a big enough name yet to be known. I didn't know. You can fly yourself out. We'll give you half off tickets if you wanna go to the game.

No, they, aisle or cedar, do you want aisle or window? They're very accommodating. Very accommodating. I was a window person. So I went home. No, so you guys go, we go up. We're playing tough. We start the game out, we're running the ball, Ridley's doing well.

We're executing, we're getting these long methodical drives, retiring you guys out. We get up to 13, seven and a half time. What are you thinking at half time in your girlfriend's apartment while she's pissed off at you? That's interesting. I'm like, fuck, it's all, this is, this is like my relationship. It's falling apart. I thought we had it in us. I thought we were really going to make it.

Turns out I'm going to call my mom, see if she can move some of my shit out of my room. It's about time. It's about time I got a real job, quit comedy. That's kind of what I'm thinking at halftime. Everything's going to shit. You know, but that's the thing. 13-7 with gate with teams this good. It's like this tight You're like and and you you did come out, but it wasn't easy either

There is that there was that goal line stand that we took three at the end of half Yeah that Baltimore stopped us on on like the two yard line. That's a big one man We kicked a field goal that if that was, you know, 14 is different, then those two touchdowns are different. For sure. But that's the thing. It's like you come off with that, that kind of like, that goal line stand was big, because I rewatched the highlights,

like, oh yeah, how do you not feel good when you're like, fuck them. That's a win. Yeah, we kept it close enough. And you know, so it wasn't, and it like we ended up playing great defense in the, in the second half. I mean, how many fucking picks did Brady end up having to hit? Yeah, they were big ones. Maybe I watched the oh nine when I got forgot, I forgot he had a ton in

that one, but he had, he had two. So it started in third quarter, the third quarter. You didn't score after like, we we didn't score you guys went on a run You did I scored the war you guys took the momentum. Yeah, and then we were driving and then We didn't convert that third down. We had a drop and then the next drive we were driving and Then you got Ridley got knocked out. Okay. Yes. Yes, and then The next drive we didn't do anything. We were driving again, and then we threw the tip pick. Yes.

So you guys, every time we were trying to answer the bell, Baltimore took the wind right out of us with something. Or we had a self-inflicting wound. It just wasn't our night that game. Yeah, and that's what I love about even this team. I love growing up rooting for a defensive team, because it's like punting was never a bad thing. That's when we actually were like, all right,

something might happen. Flip the field. My whole life was always like, our offenses were never what you thought about. And it wasn't like we were always. So the thing that would devastate other teams of having a third three and out, out I'm like not great, but hey Let's get our fucking guys, and I think that's why I'm also hopeful for this team because yes

Obviously our rushing the modern-day Ravens I'm talking now where it's like obviously our rushing game is insane And you have two of the fucking two I mean when we got Derek Henry It's just refreshing for a signed and awesome player and it works out. Because a lot of times it doesn't happen and I think he just is one of one where, I don't think, I mean, actually I take that back

because what happened with Saquon, right? Like these guys, it's nice to see these older, I mean these guys are younger than I am, whatever, but like running backs who are fucking awesome excel because it is annoying. That's a tough That you know, they are the most meat grinder position maybe at all of all of them even considering offensive line But maybe is the only other option but like they don't get paid with the what they deserve for like their their peak years They should get paid a shit ton of money for the production

But that's they're usually on rookie contracts when they're doing the most production. They're the guys that get fucked the most with the way the cap and rookie contracts are done. And it's nice to see those guys excel and hopefully kind of help other guys get paid because that is a fucked up thing with the NFL where it's like, come on man, let's take care of this. Let's take, this is the this. This is the most successful sport

in the history of the world. You're talking about putting teams in fucking London. How about everybody gets healthcare the second they play a fucking down of football? You know what I mean? Like, sorry, there's a shot collar going off again. That was my workman's comps case. That was my workman's comps case. Anyway, sorry.

The fuck are we talking about? I'm about ready to vote for you. Yeah. Can we take a second to talk about Bernard Pollard, the fucking Patriot killer? Yeah, this guy's awesome. So he took out Welker. Yep, Brady Gronk that's right Ridley and he changed the momentum of this game. Yeah. Yeah, what was up with what was up with that? You guys fucking loved that guy. I love that guy again

That's another guy like we have these guys that pop in for like their careers aren't always Ravens But they feel like Ravens and he definitely was one of those guys cuz yeah And again, he had you know, like I said said it was the tail end of really fucking people up Yeah And he his career might have been different if he's playing even five years later Because that motherfucker could pick his spots and fuck people up. Yeah, he if he was born five years later He have a shorter career because he wouldn't be able to hit. Yeah. Yeah, but it was he was really a refreshing again for the time times have changed but for. But it was he was really a refreshing again for the time.

Times have changed. But for the time it was like generation like I played against these teams. Those were no fly zones. There was a mistake in the middle of the field. You were getting knocked out. Yeah. And that's how football was played. Yeah. So you saw better football because if you didn't guys were not playing execute. You're actually has to be sharper because you had mortal damage. It wasn't just getting yelled at. It was like, will I see out of my left eye if I run the wrong route? Is my spleen going to work? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Stuff like that, you know what I mean? So like, and that's what Baltimore did. They instilled fear.

You knew going across that middle, late across the middle, you knew if you caught a ball, you better hold onto that thing because someone's gonna come hit you. I'd like to talk about Anquan Bolton too. He was a fucking rock star. We keep coming back, these guys, perfect example. Honestly, obviously most of his careers with the Cardinals, whatever, but when he came to us,

it was such a perfect match, man. He was so good. Worker. Worker. Grindr. Talk about over the middle, take a hit, whatever, like so good. He was like a short tight end. And him and Troy Smith were, he was so good worker worker or under talk about over the middle take a hit whatever like so good He was a short choice myth work. He was that sure Yeah, cuz he was fast and faster than but this was later in his career, right?

I just remember him always bodying up like he caught one on McCordy where he just bodies him up You know, he was our possession receiver He was our like tight window red zone stuff and Tori Smith We had to stretch the field and either catch it or you flackos gonna get us a PI baby he's the king of PIs man that's that beautiful ball I think ref see that spiral and they're like well somebody must have cheated if that beautiful ball didn't get caught we used to talk about that in team meetings as well just turn back and look for the football and you won't get the penalties this This Flacco is going to just throw it up there a mile high.

Yes he will. Like Bill used to say that shit all the time. He's the king of that dude. He was the king. So much, like if you added his passing yard, his PI yards to his passing yards, he'd be like the best. He'd be, yeah, it's crazy how much extra. All right.

Let's put a button on this game. When did you feel it was over? Like you guys had it in the bag and you were starting to think about SF. That's a great point. I mean, it was the kind of thing where that is the flip side of the you're never scared when your defense gets the ball. The flip side is you still unfortunately give the other team too many shots. Like when you're, cause, and Fleggo had a good game this game, but still it didn't, it wasn't high scoring,

it wasn't like, I guess you're just always a little, the flip side of like being comfortable when you're losing is not being super comfortable when you're winning either. Because at the end of the day, it's Tom Brady, whatever, but you know, they really couldn't get anything going. Probably, I would, you know, probably after, when you get a couple stops and it feels like you have them. I think it was that Ridley for me.

Yeah. When Ridley got knocked out. Yeah, well the Ridley, yeah, yeah. Because he got knocked out, he fumbled. It wasn't, that's when the game was over. That's when the momentum shifted and that's when the Baltimore team believed they could win. For sure. That was when they're like I got these motherfuckers on the road still after that Brady's through two picks after that no I

One I think he threw the tip one after that okay, okay? You know and that that was kind of the but it was after he took two picks back to back after the Ridley So see that's the thing is even after that and I know you mean momentum But even after that it's like you got two other cracks at it right away Like if he if those are two touchdowns, you're up a point, you know what I mean? Like that which is crazy. So probably the tip the tip tip is the one where it's like, oh fuck. This is awesome Yeah, they're fucked and then you guys win it. How was the celebration? Celebration was your celebration was fucking awesome. I mean it was a lot of like

disbelief. It was you know I got in a well you know my personal celebrations I get into a fight with my girlfriend again and I go do an open mic so it wasn't really like the greatest night of my life but I got pretty fucked up when we won the Super Bowl. So final score 28-13 Ravens of course would go on to win the Harbaugh Bowl also knows the Black Up all 31 34 31 bringing Baltimore their first Super Bowl since 2000 Ray Lewis would ride off into the sunset as a champ after 17 seasons Also, you mentioned earlier just to put it out there Ray Lewis tore his peck in and earlier in this season It came back and played and then the Patriots eventually would go on to win a Super Bowl ending their 10-year drought

Super Bowls. Geez. Yep. Well, we had a nice one that was a great, that was a great, that year was great, you know? We get the Super Bowl, year our season ends in disgrace. And then, yeah, that was great, man. I loved that Super Bowl, and it was nice.

I mean, you get to the point where you're like, obviously I'd like to win, I'd like the Braves to win one more. Like, I'm not a greedy Boston pig that needs more championships in his trough every year or he'll start fucking crying. Give me one spaced out every 15 years, I'm fine with that, You know what I mean?

So I'd like one more before I die. Is that so much to ask for? I'd like Lamar to get one more and I'm good. If I have kids that's up to them. I don't give a fuck. They can fend for themselves if Baltimore is good when they're alive or not. But I personally need one more. He's not a greedy guy. He's not a greedy guy. Let's score the game. One thing real quick, we mentioned earlier the Ravens, potential Ravens, other team names, they're on a ballot when the team moved to Baltimore. Could have been the Ravens, could have been the Americans,

could have been the Marauders. Marauders. Mustangs and Railers. Railers? Railers. The Marauders, I used to play against the Mountain View Marauders. Okay. Marauders isn't bad. It's like a Raider

Yeah, I would like why is it why wasn't bully? Baltimore bullies that's that's pretty good. I mean at the time it would have been alright. Yeah. Yeah No, I'd like it. Well, they're Bulldogs Bulldogs and that's how you get around it I say it can't be like kids trying to fuck like shaking a nerd down for his richie I'd be like kids trying to fight, like shaking a nerd down for his milk money. Yeah. Give me somewhat of swirly. Hey, he's been vindicated.

He's got a screenshot of Richie and Cognito's texts. That's our mascot. He got vindicated. He's been vindicated. Has he? He's been vindicated. Cool. Shout out to Richie and Cognito for being vindicated.

Yeah. Shout out. Let's name this game. These are some names that we came up with. The Foxborough Flacco, something about that Flacco game. Something about that Flacco. The Nevermore game. Quoth of the Ravens, never score.

Quoth. You got a quoth of the Raven. Yeah, I can't read. The Fall of the House of Brady. That'd be great if you never won again, but unfortunately, fucking, you had a couple more. Edgar Joe game the Edgar Allen Joe game. That's pretty good I like that one. I like that one because it's fun again this game is More of like this is just this gets a little forgotten. Yeah. Yeah, so I just wanted to throw a little shine on it

So something final like the fall of Brady that's too much Never scores pretty good because the second half we did hold, I don't remember what you guys were ranked, but you must have been fucking great. I know you got hurt. Offense. Number one offense. Yeah. Number one offense. And so and was wait, I forget the no. Moss was on those teams. He was on the oh nine game because I watched both of those. So he was on that whatever. He was on the 09 game because I watched both of those. So he was on that, whatever, but still great offense.

So never, to me it's maybe it's some, you know, between the something about Flacco, just cause it feels good. Because the Myohai Miracle should be the, there's something about Flacco game, but it's the Myohai Miracle. But there was something about Flacco that game. He was, that fucking, thank God that guy blew that coverage man

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Is this the greatest game of all time? Let's score it. Stakes, Stav, zero to 10 decimals OK of this AFC Championship game that led to the Baltimore Ravens winning a Super Bowl. Stakes, they're fucking high. They're high. I'm in an eight or a nine, I don't know. Because in a weird way, both games, the game before and after had weirdly higher stakes. But I'll put it at, you know, let's say, let's say nine because you don't win this. Then we don't, that whole team has no Super Bowls. That era is kind kind of we just get forgotten as one of the great teams like

All those Chargers teams that we remember but it's like no Super Bowl It's like they kind of get you you automatically get you forget about yeah, you do so kind of like this game Yeah, for sure nine. I'm gonna go with nine point three because this AFC championship This is when nine point three oops I got you. I got you. 9.2, 9.2. All right.

9.2. God damn it. I'm trying to think about it. Jack had a 9.3, I had an 8.4. Oh, there we go. 9.3. Star power, Stav. 0 to 10 decimals, okay.

The star power of this game. A lot of Hall of Famers. A lot of Hall of Famers. Some, you know, there are some injuries. Injuries. You know. Where does this play? Who was at the game? game was there any stars at the game Gronk in the press box I was in the press, but I think I was there maybe okay, not great So this isn't this isn't a big. I mean I like Bon Jovi, but I'm just saying if he's number one

And it's he's not these aren't Jersey the fuck Well who gives a fuck if Bon Jovi's there. It's great Baltimore versus New England Anyway, but that's fine. Maybe he's there. Maybe he's not Any anybody from Def Leppard at the game? I'll say it's not a high star power game. I Will give it an eight though because it's still super a lot of Hall of Famers, but this what this is a gritty fucking game It's like this is gritty. It's not about the stars. It's about like and even your stars It's like it's a old ass Ray Lewis with a torn peck. It's you know Brady without some of his weapons

You know what I mean? So it's like it wasn't it's not a it's not the flashiest game and the Ravens were never We are stars are just so fucking good They become stars. Yeah, they're never like the flashy guys So I'll still give it an 8 though because a lot of Hall of Famers on the on the team on both teams never flashy guys I've probably top two of the best defensive guys of all time. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, Tom Brady on there. It's a very integrity type score. Stavi. I'm going with an 8 as well. There we go Jack at 8.4. Yeah, I mean he's aligned. This guy did homework or something. You must have watched I did not he did

Let me promise you that I watched the highlights on the uber ride over here. Perfect The gameplay of the game back and forth. How was it 0 to 10 decimals? Okay The gameplay of the game. Back and forth, how was it? Zero to 10, decimal's okay. For me? For you. For me it's a 10, because I love seeing you motherfuckers get shut out in the second half.

But I could see, well the first, again it wasn't, again, some football games that are great games are not great watches. No, yeah. And I think this game wasn't an exceptional watch. It was a satisfying win for a Ravens fan and for, I think at that point you guys already had plenty of haters. So it was fun.

So I'll still give it, I'll give it an 8.5. To me it's a 10 personal score, but I want to be a little objective here. This wasn't fucking, you know, Alan versus my homes. Thirteen seconds. This was, you know, a different type of game. Well, it was flat over sobriety. That's right. Tiger, the sport plays him. So I'm going to go with I'll go with the. I like defensive games or some good punt returns or fumbles. I like these types of games.

This is what Baltimore games were like, especially against us, tough, back and forth, defensive grind, very situationally tight games. I'm going with the 8.2. There we go. Jack had a 7.0, I had a 6.9. 6.9, Gronk answer. And then finally, the name of the game, the Edgar Allen Joe.

I'm gonna give it the Edgar Allen Joe with something about Flacco honorable mention but actually I think I like would never score as the honorable mention but no Edgar Allen Joe it's the funner one you gotta score the name oh give it the score sorry see I didn't do homework I'll give it a solid oh how about the forgotten Flten Flacco? Maybe I'm just combing right off the top. There he goes. The Forgotten Flacco game. Because it is the Forgotten Flacco game on this run. It is. Okay. The Forgotten Flacco masterpiece maybe? You know, what's an F? What's a masterpiece thesaurus word with an F? It doesn't matter. The Forgotten Flacco...

Fantastico. Fantastico. No. The Forgotten Flacco. We'll give it that. Yeah, yeah. And I'll give It doesn't matter the forgotten flaco Fantastic fantastic The forgotten flaco we'll give it that yeah, yeah, and I'll give it. It's I'll I'm gonna give again. I'm a man of integrity It's good. It's not great 8.3 My own name. I'm gonna go with a 7.5 Okay, I deserve that cuz gonna have on the spot and it was kinda on the spot, but no worries. It's kinda on the spot, it's still a good name.

But cultural reverie. No, no, you're right. I'm fucking with you, you're absolutely right. Jack had a 6.4, I had a 6.8. Where does it go in the games we've done? The final score is an 8.01. Okay. Which puts it.

Respect, thanks for... I was gonna slightly overrate it. Thanks for kinda going with me, boys. Utah, it's... Okay, 8.1 in between... Just below the Super Bowl 53 Patriots Rams and just above the Veritek versus A-Rod Red Sox Yankees fight game 2004.

The fight game. Yeah, that's good. I wish they'd all Bludgeoned each other to death if it was up to me that game would have ended with somebody bombing whatever field they played it on Fuck both those teams Fuck those teams. Man, lastly, we got to have the Mount Rushmore. Okay. Of Baltimore athletes. Ooh, I love it.

Oh, yeah, I mean. Or from Baltimore. Anyone from Baltimore. We could do a cultural. We could do a cultural. We could do a cultural and we could do an athlete. I mean, if you're talking about athletes, obviously Cal's got to be on there. We could do a cultural, we could do a cultural, and we could do an athlete. I mean, if we're talking athletes,

obviously Cal's gotta be on there. It really comes down to, I think Cal's gotta be on there, Ray Lewis and Ed Reed, and then, I mean. What are you, what's telling you in your head right now? I just, I see it. It's just hard. I my answer don't say it Are you gonna say it? I don't I don't think I can is there something about him. There is something about him, right? I'm not gonna say there's not something about him

It's a split. I know that's a fucking completely Complete cowards way out but it is it's the quarterback slot and it's for it's it's a split right now Lamar and Flacco but Lamar is so fucking like obviously my this is a joke character and I love Flacco and he is you know he's the fucking man Super Bowl MVP it's insane one of my favorite athletes but Lamar is just like you know I just think he does get shit on a little too much and obviously there's people who love him. I'm not going to say that he just has detractors, but he's so fucking good.

He's so electric. I think it's got to be Lamar, man. All right. You know, stop. Do we miss anything about this game? No, I don't think so. I think we've got a little extra in there. But no, the game was fun.

Just wanted to highlight it. That's it, man. Come see me on tour if you liked, if you had a nice time listening to the pod. My Stavis world, I have a podcast, I have a movie on Hulu right now, and yeah, we're still on the road. This was our first month, we have a month, I have a break coming up.

It is too long, I fucked up. When are you in Boston? Are you, we'll have to put that on there because. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I gotta tell everyone who's listening man. It was fucking hilarious You do your crowd work is awesome like it's like a different style of I don't know I just went I brought my mom she had a fucking blast Yeah, I'm really excited to get to finally meet. Yeah, man. I had a huge fan. Thank you. Yeah, this is so sick So you got to check them out on Stavis world. Mm-hmm. Join the Patreon. It's great. Join the Patreon.

Free episode, two, two episode, an extra bonus episode a week on top of the free episode. And let's start a cult on Hulu. That's right. So he wrote that, he produced that, he did everything to that. Go, go freaking support him. And then the Dreamboat Tour, freaking awesome. Thanks Stavi. Thank you brother. Go freaking support them and then the dreamboat tour freaking awesome. Thanks, Stavi. Thank you, brother Man, he's a Baltimore guy. Dude. He's awesome loves loves Baltimore. He's so cool. I'm a Just a little peep behind the curtain. I'm a patron. I patron subscriber of Stavi world. Love it. It's awesome So that was cool for me So patrons the pay for yeah We can't your salary is too public over the course of the last decade that we can't really we wouldn't do that

But like with for comedians how they make their money. It's it's a cool cool platform. They put out two shows a week It's funny awesome. It's great Man, and then so more people behind the curtain what we're gonna do here for this postgame segment We're gonna we put a call to action for some advice So you're gonna answer some advice and the reason why we're doing that is because on stavi's show They half of the show they answer advice from their fans and we kind of Took this idea the voicemail entirely from them. So that's why we do it because I was inspired by watching them do it So that's why we do voicemail. So we're gonna do a little homage to them here doing some advice. Let's do it

Cool. It's time for the chill zone brought to you by Coors light get Coors light delivered straight to your door Remember visit Coors light comm slash GWN and celebrate responsibly Let's hear Hey, this is Richard. I was just calling to ask if you guys might have any advice on what to do on Repairing a torn Achilles or recouping from that. Thanks. Have a great day. Torn Achilles never did it but any kind of injury. Probably a doctor. No I would say it all comes down to the physical therapist. Physical therapist. When it comes the doctors are all like mechanics they all know how to put that in. But you should go to a doctor if you tear your ACL.

If you tore your Achilles go to the doctor get it operated on and then really good physical therapy and do it you have to do it consistently you know the more you put into the physical therapy the better result you'll get for the rest of your life when that thing fully repairs so good luck man Achilles is the new ACL it feels like yeah it'saces. I don't know. Can we give the advice on the... Or you know you could do too with the torn Achilles. You get a pretty gnarly scar. Gnarly yeah. Come up with a cool story for it. Shark. Shark. Hi my name is Taylor I'm originally from Cambridge, Massachusetts. I

live out on the West Coast and I love my job and I love how beautiful it is out here But I really want to move back to Boston. So should I move? What do you think? If you want to get back to Boston you should move But she loves her job and how beautiful it is here. This is Taylor You're kind of going through what I'm going through right now a Little bit. Yeah, just love, California, but it's hard. It's expensive Was on fire for a while Boston's nice got some fall get some seasons food sucks in Boston though compared to here

I don't know bubs. It's not even close compared to here. I don't know, Bubs. It's not even close, bro. It's not even close. Regardless. It's not even close. Taylor, this is what I think you should do. Since you have a beautiful job that you love

in this beautiful area, hopefully that beautiful job pays you a lot of money. You buy a condo in Cambridge. You work remotely in Cambridge when you want that Boston fix And you come back out here when you need to be out here Easy, if you can't move back to Boston Boston in the fall for three weeks and for like two weeks in the spring is probably the best place on earth to be and then

Everywhere in Tinos it sucks. I Don't summers are too hot. Winters are too dark and cold. Cape. Get over there. Get a lobster roll on the side of the road over and fucking that's an afternoon. That's not a lifestyle.

It's an afternoon. Yeah, but it's hot. You get a popsicle go over to Crescent Ridge and Plainville and get you some ice cream. That's made right out there. I mean, I love Boston all year round. The only time that it sucks is when it's March and it's still freezing. Yeah, January, February, March.

Yeah. Sometimes April. The snow is good for the first two weeks. The first few weeks of December leading up to Christmas snow is cool. And then when it's dirty and like no it's like filthy like you can't you have to wear boots. Yeah I used to there's a flashback from my childhood you remember when Genco jeans were huge yeah and it's just just a lot of fucking denim walking through slush and you're carrying around

ten pounds of just dirty slush in your fucking Genco jeans. Yeah, and also I don't miss Scraping my car. Mm-hmm. Did you ever have like an automatic turn around guy? I Didn't every guy in the locker room had an automatic start. I didn't I knew that's 10 didn't have one. I Know I didn't have I wasn't driving the s10 in the league Driving at that time. I was driving a Lincoln MKS or something Robin Ford So Move by a condo by a car if you love your job and you have the means to buy a condo by a condo

By Coastal is pretty awesome and just go there in the fall. That's what I kind of do. And come back to California. That's good. Okay, this is from a text line, which I don't support, but okay, hey Jules, me and my buddy, we're talking to the same girl one night out. I ended up with her number and have been seeing her the last month.

How do I tell my buddy? You gotta sit him down down just say hey Bubs We've been talking The competition's over you or whatever Seeing her for a month after they talked for a night like just shut up. You know, that's enough to say anything. Yeah If it but if it means if it's like really getting to him and he needs to fucking get it off his chest, go just say, dude, I'm talking to what's your name?

We were both there. I was the best man. That's the move. Yeah, have a nice committed loving relationship. You find the one, this girl's the one, you marry her and you make your buddy your best man just to stick it to him. No. I don't know. It depends on how tight the boys are. A night out, how old are these kids? Let's say 24. College aged. Shut up. It's fine. You're good. day so I went back daughter flowers over a note went back he hugged she cried and Julian I think I'm in love man she lives in Myrtle Beach I live in Maine

chat on patreon let's go New England Julian I went to one of your pro camps when I was in like fifth grade and you like threw a touchdown passing me in the high fives I just want to say that yeah he does have a picture of that still on his Instagram oh did you Instagram but um it's about like a 16 hour difference, but you know, I still love this girl and I think that we'll get married. So let me know what you think, Julian. Hope to hear back from you.

Go Boston. Go Boston, baby. Best wishes to you. Let's go. So what's the advice? Hey, you should not be taking girl advice from me. You've never fallen in love with a Hooters girl? By the way, RIP Hooters. I've never been to Hooters like that.

I think I just went one time. There's one by the TV green where we used to fly but we were always on the bus. I've never even been to Hooters really. Yeah, full team didn't just pull over and just go to Hooters real quick? No. What is this? Little Giants? Should he move to Myrtle Beach to chase this Hooters girl this kid sounds probably 17 Yeah So now all the college get a degree I

Mean she's the one she's the one though If if she's meant to be let her go and she'll come back come back she'll come back if you know if it's meant to be or you know what be like your buddy go to pro camps work on your game yeah work your craft yeah girls dig craft girls love committed craft men but then when you're too committed they don't like that hate that there's a balance was like you liked me because I've committed but now that you got me you don't like you're too committed they don't like that hate that there's a balance It's like you liked me because I've committed but now that you got me you don't like it. I'm too committed That's my own problem. I'll pull that back. We'll figure that out

Wait up kid don't make the move yet Are they good colleges in Myrtle Beach In South Carolina Myrtle Beach is like real fun and like spring break. I think never been Carolina Myrtle Beach is like real fun and like spring break I think. Never been. Go to Coastal Carolina. Coastal Carolina? Shout out Isaiah Likely. Boston Kid. You know he's from Boston? Yeah. Hey Jules, this is Cash from Dallas, Texas. I was wondering what's your what's the best way to get recruited? Young. Thanks. Love watching the videos. Best way to get recruited?

Ball out. Make plays. Be good. Be good? Be a good teammate. Cause they ask everyone. Did you see that Sam Laporta interview that came out yesterday?

No. An interview from like the draft or the combine with him and Dan Campbell getting interviewed, Dan Campbell interviewing him. Kind of nice. It's like a master class in like confidence but not cocky. I gotta watch it. I think I sent it to the group. I'll send it again. Resend. Confident, not cocky. Yeah, you gotta make, go make plays. That's how you get recruited. Work on your craft.

Work on your craft. Boom. That's the same answer for all of these Last one here Hey Jules, my name is Katie and I heard you're fixing problems They've given out advice so I want to know if you have any advice for me I'm waiting for spring break in two days. I'm going to Miami with my friends. This is my first spring break trip ever. And I'm super nervous. So if you have any like

pre game rituals, you could share with me or anything like that to ease my nerves. I would really appreciate it. Have a great day. Thank you so much. Pre game ritual for spring break. I've never been on a spring break. Like that. We had spring practice. Just hydrate. Liquid IV.

Hydrate. Sunscreen. Sunscreen. And remember, have fun. Sunscreen break. Well, there you go. That was somewhat helpful. I hope people really don't need my advice.

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