Games with Names - 2015 Sprint Cup Championship with Kyle Busch | Homestead-Miami Speedway

Episode Date: October 28, 2025

Kyle Busch is in studio! The 2x NASCAR Cup Series Champion is with us to relive one of the greatest comeback stories in all of sports: his 2015 season that began in a hospital bed and ended in victory lane.  (00:00:00) We kick things off. (0:32:17) Kyle joins us on the couch. (31:33:72) We go back to 2015. (45:22:28) We breakdown the field and the race. (1:28:00) We score it. (1:29:34) We hit The Chill Zone presented by Coors Light.  Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome to Games with Names. I'm Julian Edelman. They're Jack and Kyler, and we are on a mission to finding the greatest game of all time. And on today's episode, we are covering the 2015 Ford Eco Boost 400 from Homestead with two-time NASCAR Sprint Cup champion, the man we call Rowdy and NASCAR legend, Kyle Bush.

And we're talking the greatest comeback story in NASCAR history. When you're laying in the hospital bed there and your mind's going through, like, I'm never going to race again, like my career's over. Pumping into me at a pace car? Hey, man, you got to give the guy the full treatment of what's going on out there. You've got to feel some bumping and some banging. And then the infamous rowdy persona. Saying things I probably shouldn't have said

and running into people I probably shouldn't have been running into. From that day on, I was public enemy number one. And then we hit the scariest athletes of all time in this week's chill zone presented by Coors Light. Very fun. You got to stick around to the very end. Ooh, ooh, happy Halloween. Happy Halloween.

Games with Names, a production of I-Heart Radio. November 22nd, 2015, Homestead, Miami Speedway, Homestead, Florida. 400 miles, 267 laps, one championship on the line. A season that started in the hospital bed, but would eventually end in victory lane. This is Getting Routy in Miami Presented by the comeback complete All right Yes sir

I'm the biggest NASCAR name you got Let's fucking go Yeah let's go Welcome to games with names today we are looking at the 2015 Ford Eco Boost 400 Homestead Miami Speedway race with the legend yes himself Denver Broncos fan but legend

legend Kyle Bush Kyle yes sir in one sentence why did you pick this race why did I pick this race this is the 2015 championship race so of all of the races that you have in 2015 it all culminates and comes down to the final one. It's that game seven moment. It's one race, win, or take all.

And it was me against four other compadres out there, and we won. We brought home the championship. We brought it home, baby. You brought it. You're wearing it. You're wearing it. You're wearing it. I am.

I am right there, baby. And we'll get into it. But is this the greatest race of all time? No, no, no, no. I'm not, no. Who is? What is the greatest race of all time? That's debatable.

I mean, I think that. Off for you. Of my races, or of NASCAR? NASCAR. I would say the most historic race that probably meant the most to our sport. Besides, like the, I think it was the 69 Daytona 500, where the guys fought in the infield. Like, they wrecked each other, come to the checker flag, and then they got in the fight, which put us on the map, you know, that made NASCAR like, oh, who the heck are these?

Hillbillies fighting each other. Hillbillies fighting each other after a reason. You wanted to say it. I just said it. I did. I did. But you read my mind. see we're we're in tune um besides that one i would say the 1998 Daytona 500 with

dale Earnhardt winning so he was 20 years of trying 20 years of aggravation and everything and not being able to win that race to finally being able to win that race and so that was a huge moment for our sport because when that race was over as he was coming down pit lane like all every member of every team was sitting out there on pit road like high-fiving them and you know giving them a congratulations of the win and stuff like that you don't see that any more these days. No, you don't. No. That's awesome. Yeah. I love Dale Earnhardt. I mean, I wasn't like a big race head, but everyone knew Dale Earnhardt. Everybody knows Dale Earnhardt. You know, just like everyone knows you, Kyle Bush. A little bit, a little bit. I would say for sure,

in my generation of being a professional athlete, you were probably the most famous racer of my time. Of your time. Yeah. Okay. Well, I appreciate that. Good. 1,000 percent. And, you know, it was funny because you got your first championship in 15. This is your first? That's right. And I got my first in 14 and we met. Which was 15. Huh? It was 14.

Yeah. February of 15. February of 15. So you beat me to it because I was November. But we got our shit. Done in the same year. Yes. Popping the same time.

And we did meet each other at the New Hampshire Speedway. That's right. Do you remember that? I did. Well, I might have met you before that, but you probably. Well, you were at one of our practices, but you were kind of a big name and I wasn't a big name yet. Yeah.

You were too big time, dude. Bullshit, whatever. No, I was at Patriot Stadium, Jolette Stadium, Patriot Stadium, hanging out and watching some games and stuff like that. We had some friends. We had Copen, you know, Welker, and all that sort of stuff. So I was around a little bit during that time when I was able to first come to stadium and then hanging out with the craft guys, Jonathan and Robert,

and they took us around and whatnot. We were hanging out in their suite, watching some games and then, you know, down into, you know, locker room, post-game, stuff like that. I remember that vividly. But when we met in freaking New Hampshire, first you let me into your trailer and we went over all the angles, the drive angles of the pictures.

You were going over pictures in a book, like a thousand pictures. And you're going to go, no, no. I asked you, what the fuck you're doing, dude? And he goes, well, right here, I'm looking at the angle of how the car's pitched against the pitch of this. And if it's not parallel, you know, we don't like it.

Yeah. And you just go over these pictures. I was like, man, what the fuck? And so I thought we were kind of cool, because you let me in. Yeah, yeah. Then I get out to start the race in a Toyota Camry, regular stock suspension, fucking things going.

Pace car. Pace car. Pace car. Not in a race car. Not in a race car. Yeah, no. The Pace car. We wouldn't let you in a race car.

No. They wouldn't. But I'm driving this thing. And it's kind of weird. It's squirly. You know what I mean? I got to go 46. You can't go over.

The guy who won the fucking, the polls that week was Kyle. That's right. So Kyle's right behind me. What does one the poll mean? When in the polls, are you in all the races and the pre-races to show where you are in the race? No, he's lost. Time trial, baby? It's time trial, time trial.

Yeah, we qualified. So everybody qualifies. You get one lap, how fast can you go, and then that's how you set the field. That's how you set the grid for where you qualify for the race. So I qualified first. So I was on the pole. He qualified first. He was on the pole.

Thatta boy. Yeah. Burbage. We got it. That's what I like. That's what we're here. We're trying to get an ASCard. And this, this, this, this,

guy starts bumping me. Yeah. He starts bumping me and I'm sitting next to the guy and goes, oh, Kyle, he'll bump you. I go, he's hitting me. He goes, nah, he ain't hitting you. He's bumping you. That's right. And I felt like it was fucking, I was in days of thunder. I was cold trick while you're fucking rowdy. That's right. Yes. Because you are rowdy. Yeah. So what was up with that, bro? Hey, man, you got to give the guy the full treatment of what's going on out there. You know, you can't just be by yourself making laps at 46 miles an hour. You got to feel some bumping and some banging. Here he is right there. Yeah, exactly. oh my god i was in my interstate batteries uh zebra scheme that day that was look at that jimmy johnson

right there tony stewart right there yeah top dogs man oh smoke yeah beat them all we beat them all now it's been fun to watch you over your career because you were kind of the guy was an asshole let's just fucking put it out i was an asshole on the field was still in yeah but like you were a guy and then you've kind of turned into like the eldersman i yeah a little bit bit. And you've kind of calmed down. What's going on with that? Well, so when I was in the 18 car at Joe Gibbs Racing and all that, you know, we're, we're, we're, Hendrick Motorsports is like the Yankees, right? And so Joe Gibbs Racing is kind of like the Red Sox, I guess, you know, so like, there's some rivalry there. And, but you, well, you know when you go into the racetrack, like,

you have a shot to win. You're a legit shot to win each and every race. Like, there's no reason why you should lose. If you lose, you pretty much beat yourself, right? And so in that era, like, me going to the racetrack like I'm hard-headed like I'm passionate and I'm driven like I want to win and I want to win in every single one and if I don't win I'm pissed off about it yeah you know and so now I'm with Richard Childers racing you know a lower tier team lower than JGR not going to say the bottom but just lower and so your expectations are just a little bit less like we want to win you know you still want to carry yourself you want to get to victory lane you want to host trophies you want to celebrate with your team but those are a little bit further between each win you know you You know, so your expectations change a little bit. But, yeah, the JGR era, you're going to be a hothead when you don't win. You're also younger. Younger. You're younger.

Yeah. You know, we've learned. You learn over time. You do. Sometimes it's just, it just burns too much energy. You don't even want to give the energy out. There is a lot of that. When you get hit by somebody or wrecked by somebody, it's like, you know, it shouldn't

happen a whole lot and it shouldn't happen from the same guy a whole lot, but it tends to. And so it's just like, gosh, man. like sooner or later hopefully this dumb ass figures it out yeah no i i can only imagine it's kind of like in for us it'd be like in practice you know not a game but if a guy brings you to the ground in practice what's this guy being reckless for right what the fuck we why you put me in the wall bro it's fucking practice we're supposed to have fast tempo thud we're not supposed to put each other on the fuck a wall right yeah yeah there's rules to racing that's right so there's that driver code there's that there's that unspoken quiet driver code that you're supposed to have with one another

you know and you're supposed to be out there and racing hard competition bumping banging a little bit rubbins racing right but reckon ain't yeah give us a couple more of these like race codes because it's like baseball code you know baseball you can't fucking hit the guy you can't do this you look wrong you toss a bat you're getting hit what are some of these race codes um i think just flat out, deliberate, purposeful, running over somebody is like, that's like, that's like a no, you know? And eventually at some point, you know, you get run over by that guy and drivers are like elephants. We got memories of elephants. Like, we're going to remember everything. So the next time you're around that guy, you're going to, you're going to do it back

to him, you know? Yeah. You got to. I mean, I can't imagine having someone bump you out, take you out your day. And then you got to go see him afterwards. Like, well, you don't have to go see him afterwards. You just see them at the next race. You see them in the next race? Yeah. And then you smoke them there. Try to. Yeah. Take us through a work week of a NASCAR driver in the preparation. So I would say Mondays is meetings Monday, right? So like we have a Chevy group driver meeting where we're all hanging out and talking about our race weekend of what was good, what was bad, what was the positives, the negatives, what made us win or finish top five versus some of the guys that struggled and didn't run very well. You know, so then the crew chiefs can kind of get a sense.

of what those drivers were fighting that weren't very good or what the guys that were good were doing and what was in their race car, the setup and stuff was in their race car that made them good. So that's a lot of that on Mondays. And then Tuesdays, you kind of go over the next race plan and what's going to happen for the next race,

some of your things that you want to do. Wednesdays is typically like my simulator day. So I'll go in a simulator for three hours, four hours, five hours, whatever it might be on that week. and get in there. So we have real, I mean, they're like five or six or seven million dollars simulators, you know, like it's a real, you're in a real cockpit and a real car and it's on actuators and it's moving and stuff. And there's a screen, 180 degree screen that you're looking at. And

you're going through different setup stuff and trying to work through what's going to make your car faster for that coming up race. Do the simulators feel like the actual car? Do they have, no? They're not 100%. Like, there's a lot of times where it feels really, really close. and it's like okay and you get to the racetrack and it's like damn sim was really on this week like that it's good you know let's go through all those notes what's going to make us better here and there's some weeks where you're like sim wasn't even close like we got to throw everything we did on wednesday out don't even pay any attention to it's kind of like an ernie card guys yeah the ernie cards were off this fucking week yeah we didn't get any of those looks so like sim is so much

more important this day and age because we don't have the practice that we used to so back in my high time when I was winning races, four, five, ten of a year, whatever, we had an hour of practice and then we qualified. Then we'd have two more hours before the race started. Now you literally show up and you have a 20-minute practice session and then you go qualify and then you race. Like, that's it. Why is that? Why do they change it for gas and all that? Pricing? Cost. Cost. They say it's a cost-saving measure. They're trying to save the team's money so we're not out there just burning up engines and tires and gas and everything else, you know. So it's saving the team's money.

Saving the car. Can you simulate weather? In the SIM, yeah. Yeah, you can simulate weather. You can simulate temperature of ambient temperatures. You can simulate track temperatures, how hot the track will be. If there's overcast, obviously track will be less versus full sun. You can do wind.

Wind is a big deal. So, yeah, you can do what. It's ain't the cruising USA machine at Dave and Buster. No, it ain't, no, it ain't that. I wish it was that easy. I went on that damn thing all the time. Let's go. You know, we got one, let's go.

They have these guys that just ride Sims that have come into racing, haven't they? Yeah, William Byron is probably the most successful, most notable one that I know of, where he grew up as a fan of the sport, just loved racing, got him a simulator, and was just simming from seven years old, whatever it was.

And the first time he made it into a race car, he was 13 running like a legend's car or something like that. And then he made it to late models and ARCA and trucks and Xfinity and Cups. So he made his way all the way up through. But he started just on the computer, just on eye racing or the sim or whatever. That's fucking crazy. Yeah, yeah.

And his family, like his dad is a financial advisor, you know, he's a money guy. So like he didn't come from a background of racing where my dad, he's a huge car guy. So like we're always in the garage. Like we're tinkering with cool cars. Like my dad hand built five, you know, cool cars when I was a kid. like he had a 1932 Ford Coupe. He had a 49 Ford sedan. The car truck. What is the car truck? El Camino. Yes, he had an cool El Camino back in the day, you know. So yeah, he had all kinds of little cool old cars. But then he was an amateur racer on Saturdays. He'd go to the short tracks

across, well, he grew up in Chicago, Illinois, but then he didn't really race until he moved to Nevada, Las Vegas is where I'm from. And so he was just an amateur racer out there and just kind of brought up my brother and I threw the scene of racing locally in Vegas. Wow. Yeah. And you start with like the little sprint cars or like the little goat cars, the shifter cars and all that shit, right? Yeah, that's a lot of kids nowadays. There's more things for kids to race now than there was when I was coming up through. So my first thing that I got into was a legends car and I was 13, same as William, but like I played the NASCAR video games on papyrus. You know, like I had my own little computer with the little pedals and steering wheel.

So, like, that's what I got my start with. Sort of similar to William, but, you know, I still came up from my dad of working in the garage. Like, my dad had race cars, my brother had race cars, and I'm 8, 9, 10 years old, figuring out how to work on them with my hands and tools and stuff. So are you one of the drivers that knows the car? Yeah, I'm one of those guys, yeah. Because it isn't, I mean, Cole Trickle didn't know the fucking car. No, Cole didn't know very much about the car, but he was able to wheel it hard and get some wins.

Yeah. Yeah. That's, my dad's mechanic. So I grew up. I grew up around the cars. Okay. But he didn't want me in the cars. Was he like a dealership mechanic? No. Automotive repair. So just like a small auto repair shop. Yeah. 12-lib shop. So my dad was a was a dealership mechanic. So he worked in a dealership. And then he kind of got tired of that scene a little bit, but then became a Mac tool man. So he was the Mac tool distributor. So he was the guy that rode the routes and sold tools. You know. He's come day one all the time. That's right. Him and the Snap-on guy. Yeah. O'Leary. Yeah. Larry, let me get a lug nut over here, dude. Yeah, Tom the Toolman. Tom the Toolman. Yeah. Now, it's so crazy how it's changed. Like, I can't believe we talk about your week of preparation. You're in the Sim most of the days. Back in the day, you were racing a lot. Yeah. That's got to be crazy. You're like a legend that's played through multiple eras. What's something if you were head of NASCAR right now that you would change. To benefit me? Just in general. cool this, that, like, that drives you nuts because you've seen it where it was and we all

products of older environments always think it's a little softer with the newer environment, at least in our sport. I don't know. Is there something like that that pisses you off about NASCAR now? Yeah, the thing that kind of has deterred me, I guess, the most over the last couple of years is we've gone to this new next gen race car. It's our seventh generation of a NASCAR car. and it's a kit car so we call it the Walmart car like everybody buys all the same stuff all the same parts all the same pieces

from all the same suppliers and then they put them together like a kit car and then we all go race and so they're supposed to be parity and in the first year with this car there was there was like 16 or 18 different winners now there's not like now that the big teams

the cream always rises to the top so like the Hendrick guys the Gibbs guys and the Penske guys those Hendrick is the top Chevy team Gibbs is the top toy toy Toyota team. Penske's the top four team. Those three teams are the ones that are winning all the races now. So the lower teams aren't really winning, you know, like we don't really have the advantages of the 40 or 50 or 100 engineers at the shop that are figuring out the little gray

areas that you can kind of work in. I'm not going to say cheating, but basically you're working towards that and making these things go faster. And so there's just a lot of really smart people at those teams that make their cars faster. What are some of the gray areas that? that these guys take advantage on. Like, how, if we're, we got all the same parts and the same shit. Yeah. How are some faster? You bend some parts.

You manipulate the parts when you build your car. You kind of change. You buy them from the shelf. You bring them off the shelf. And then you kind of mold them and change them and heat them up and twist them and bend them a little bit into where they still conform to the general spec of the car. And you don't get busted for it in tech. Kind of like science.

Until NASCAR catches on to it. Once NASCAR kind of finds something that you're doing. doing they'll they'll strip it away from me and they'll make a new rule whenever they want it's like the you know the brotherly shove yeah yeah we got to take that shit out yeah these fucking guys are breaking bending the rules is there any advantages and cleats like do y'all have any like special cheater up cleats or anything like that that guys could no but you can't wear like you can't wear like weaponry like the gronk thing i think like that's gotten outlawed because remember he used to wear the big brace i remember yeah like they they they they they they they they they

They do, like, they have a fine guy. So when you come off the field after your pre-game warmup, there's a guy that finds you from the league or comes to you and say, all right, your socks are too low, your thigh pads aren't in, your jersey has to be like this. If you don't change it, we're going to find you. Okay, so you get a chance to fix it. We get a chance to fix it.

Gotcha, okay. We get a chance to fix it. Yeah, that's kind of like us. Like if you're caught with something in post-race tech or whatever, they'll, if it's a big, big deal, they'll say, no, this ain't right. You're getting fined and, you know, big deal they make a big deal out of it but a lot of times it's kind of like a slap on a wrist like hey you know don't bring that back don't bring it back but what about that sunday you can use it

that sunday you got away with it on this one you got one by us this time i mean you got to get one by it you got to get one that's the old school NASCAR like that's the cool stuff so you're the new car you can't really do all this that that's one thing that i would change is like going back a little bit to the old school way of how the cars were made and built by the teams you know like you look at F1 right now and you see like McLaren now has an advantage where it used to be Mercedes and long time ago it used to be Ferrari and you know you got these guys come with up with these new trickeries that then they get to use and exploit throughout the season you know and so in NASCAR back in the day when teams were building all their own cars they would one team might

say hey we know if we make a a badass chassis like that's going to take us to wins you know somebody else might think hey if we make a badass body and we make more down for us with aerodynamics than somebody, that's going to be our advantage. You know, some guys would be like, hey, we're going to put it all in the motors and we're going to build bigger motors than everybody else, and that's going to win us races. Now it's just, it's not, it's harder. It's way harder, yeah. It's kind of like being a criminal nowadays.

It's harder. Dude, cameras everywhere. All the drones, the fucking, everything's on cameras. There's cameras everywhere. There's no mob guys no more because it's too hard to be a fucking criminal. Yeah, big brother, man. Big brother, bro. Yeah.

Come on. Let's have a little fun, man. yeah so do you watch f1 a little bit yeah yeah i watch it could you think you could take those guys i think everybody has their their niche their craft that makes them good at what they do right so like nascar drivers you got to be good at going four hours inches apart from one another some bumping some banging things like that drafting at the drafting tracks we have the most i would say diverse set of drivers of any other form of motorsports out there drag race guys they they go straight, right? F1 guys, they do

road course only. NASCAR, we do super speedway ovals, we do short track ovals, intermediate ovals, high bank ovals, flat, no banking ovals. And then we... New Hampshire, right? Is it Hampshire flat? You remember you talking about that? And then we also had, we used to have a dirt track on the schedule.

We've got road courses on a schedule. Walkins Glen is like a really fast. We call it the super speedway of road courses. And then you've got Sonoma, which is really, really slow road course, which is like the short track of road courses. And then you also have street courses as well where we've raced in Chicago

Streets of Chicago Miami did you No you guys did another one too didn't you F1 did Miami Next year we're coming to a new one We're coming to San Diego San Diego that's what it was tight

Yeah you did the L.A. thing That's what I'm wearing The Coliseum Yeah we did the Coliseum That was short short track Yeah very short for just Yeah that was more for like That's our first first race

of the season which is a non-points race It's just kind of like It's Jamboree Yeah it's the week It's the week between NFL cutoff and Super Bowl You guys have that media week, that week off.

Yeah. So that's when we jump back on the TV where it's like, hey guys, NASCAR's coming back. Like, yeah, go ahead and watch your Super Bowl, but then we're back on. Well, Daytona's right after the Super Bowl. That's right. Because I went, I started Daytona once. Yeah. Start that bitch up with the green flag.

Yeah, you waved it. Oh, I waved it. Yeah. I waved it. What was the number one rule? They told you about that. They just said wave it. They didn't give me no rules.

The number one rule is don't drop it. Don't drop it. Don't drop the flag. I got a fucking got a fucking crazy pass in the Super Bowl. I ain't dropping shit. Just like you ain't fucking, you're beating all the races. I ain't dropping it, dog. All right.

Well, there you go, man. You can't drop that thing. I got a little cowbush in me. Come on. You drop that rag and there's 40 cars going by it. What do you think's going to happen? They might have to caution you boys. You'll be having to throw the yellow right after the green.

I know you get mad about them cautious. A little stick them on there. You're good. You probably wore them sticky gloves that you caught all them balls with, didn't you? Come on. Hey, gray area. Yeah. We talk about gray areas.

We talk about gray area. Yeah. You look like little giant. out there, like, I can't move my hands. That was so funny. The stick up, remember? Back in the day, if you were a 90s football player, they used to use that stuff.

Yeah. Because we were kids, that's when I was playing Pop Warner and you tried to go get some of that stuff. Like, hey, what do you want to? You know, you can't get your hands off. Yeah. Stick them. Now, if you, if you just train to be an F1 driver, could you go do it?

You could. Yeah. There's a kid right now who's super talented, really good, come from the road course background. Connor Zillich. Yeah. And he's actually winning a lot of oval races too, but he probably, if he would have continued down that path, would have probably had the best shot of being able to go to F1 for an American driver.

Because I think he was over in Europe doing some of that carding stuff a lot. And he kind of got shown a little bit more of like the NASCAR way. Like, hey, it'll be a little bit easier to come this way and be successful than to go that way. Because, I mean, where we're at, we've got, just call it 40 of us that are out there every single week, where F1's like 19, you know, there's, or 20, whatever it is, there's not that many. But if you win, not the poll, if you win the time there, what is it called?

Time trial. Time trial? Yeah. Like, you basically win the race, right? No, not always. It passed like three times. I've won the poll in my career. I've seen two past, I'm talking in F1.

Oh, F1, yeah. If you win the time trial there, you win the race. More times than not. There's not all, yeah, there's, you're not going to drive from eighth on the grid to win the race. Like, that's, that's rare. Yeah. But NASCAR, that's, that's, you, I've won the poll probably 38 times. I bet you of those 38 times, I've probably won the race 10, you know, but how, hell,

I've been more successful starting 16th to 25th and winning races than then starting in the top 10, you know. Had a good car that day. That's right. Yeah, had a good car with the angles right on the fucking track. I make the car go right for 400 miles, not just for the one mile. Exactly. And that's exactly. you're a big race family

you have your brother you clearly talked about your relationship with your dad who was into cars what's it feel like being a race dad for yourself now with your kids yeah Brexton my son

and your little girl I seen a tape where you're in the quad and your little girls I'm like I got to that's what I got to do I got to drive next to her yeah on the quad because I get scared with the golf cart or the goat carts

with little girls out you had to track and shit for it do it out here you might decapitate him getting under her car California is very hard to find tracks these days you know they keep getting shut down faster than uh well definitely faster than they're ever getting put up but um yeah my son's racing he's 10 years old he's getting real big into it

you know he just he everything he's been in he's won he's been a national champion and some stuff that he's raced in as well too so he keeps moving up the ladder next year's a big step for him because a lot of the a lot of the racing that he's done so far has sort of been with kids his age and so he's much better than a lot of the kids that are his age but next year he's 10 right now he'll be 11 next year but he's jumping into cars now where he's racing against adults oh wow like him and i are racing against each other you know as well so far i'm one for one yeah i'm i'm one for one we've got our second battle of the bushes coming up in uh in november with uh we're going to race legends cars against each other that's the car that i first started

racing in so now he's going to get into that more next year but uh we've got our first race with that coming up against each other in november so that'll be cool do you is that your ultimate happiness now is see your kid progress in something now being because I can see you obviously love your kid for me when I see my little girl work at something and she you see the progress in something that she does it's like holy that's like yeah that's my Super Bowl now yeah it's got to be the same thing when you're still racing and you're seeing your little guy he's out here winning races I would have been like crying every time no hell yeah no it's it's awesome mom we got so last year December there's a huge race in Tulsa, Oklahoma for the dirt world. It's micro racing. So like micro sprint

cars, mini sprint cars. And so he was in a junior sprint, which is the kids class. And so he ran against 108 other junior sprint kids. And he won the whole thing, you know. And so like after that one, I was a little teary-eyed because I was like, man, we spent the whole year traveling the country, running these cars, these races. And boom, he puts his mind to it. And he's able to go out there and execute and get the job done. So what are a couple things? that you see from you in his race racing um has you got anything or does you have his own style i would say when i was his age i was always sort of driving over my head a little bit and driving over my equipment a little bit and i'd spin out some i might hit the wall some whatever you know

stuff like that but he is very very good at staying in control of what he's doing and how he's doing and yet being able to get good results and wins doing that you know so he's he's he's one that I would always like, hey, there's a hole, I'm putting myself in there, you know? I'm going to make it happen. But he's one where it's like, I'm going to wait for the hole to develop and he's going to make sure like it's a safe way to make a pass or make a move. He's got more experience on you then. A little bit, a little bit. You know, I think in his mind, so we told him when he was kind of beginning where if you bump a guy and you knock him out of the way and he spins, then you're going to get sent to the back. Like you're, you know, you get black flagged and you got to go to the back of the field.

so he doesn't want to get put to the back. And he knows, we've also told him, he knows that all eyes are on him, right? Because he's sort of the biggest name and the most polarizing kid at his age. And so everybody's looking at what he does. So he gets like, hey, a second or a third is going to be better for me than, hey,

running over somebody and having that notoriety going forward that, oh, well, Brexton just runs over everybody. That's why he wins. He's not that way. Wow. Yeah. That's cool. clearly using your experience. Yeah. Yeah, I've been here done this. I've been around for a little

while. So let me help you make it a little bit cleaner for yourself going forward. That's got a, that's so freaking cool. Yeah. That's the dream right there. It is. That's the dream right there because, I mean, racing. That's clearly, it's a fucking legacy sport. Everyone is, it's very, everyone's, it's a family sport. Your families do it. And to have your little guy going and to see the excitement in the future. for him. And if he enjoys it the same way you do, there's nothing better. Absolutely. Yeah.

Battle of the bushes, baby. I'm hyped for this in November. I know. I can't wait to see the little fucker up. Yeah. I want to see him up. We tell him. He's got bushblood in him, man. You got better than anybody else out there, so use it. I say the same shit to my little girl. Yeah. You know what, blood? You go look at their

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took place and go over some pop culture this race took place around november 22nd 2015 some of the things popping off spectrum the the bond movie was out number one movie are you bond guy specter specter specter specter i didn't see this bond one specter are you're a little bit yeah i don't mind the bond movies they're good you know you got some those those cars are pretty sick he's got some trickery in his cars yeah yeah stuff that may be not legal no but he always has the sick car like he He's an Aston Martin guy. Yeah. But I was always an old American guy guy.

Number one song, Hello by Adele. I thought she was going to get the Super Bowl this year. Hello. Is it me in the... I thought she was going to get the Super Bowl this year. They went with... Yeah. With our bad bunny guy.

Bad bologna. Hey, let's... You get those new air pods. He'll translate. We'll like that. You get those new air paws. They'll translate. Those are great, you know?

I haven't had them yet. Like, have you used them? I'm, well, I'm not one that's going to. go get my nails done or anything like that. But I saw this lady on, uh, Instagram or whatever on a reel who was like she wore, you know, a set of those and, and went to, uh, the nail salon and the people that are, the girls that are doing her nails are just like straight up shit talking her nails and her cuticles and this and of that. That's going to, that's going to, that's going to be the ultimate equalizer. Yeah, yeah. Going forward. Yeah. You put on notice. Yeah. Those nail technicians better

watch their mouth. Oh my God. Especially for people that marry people that's, that wear other or other Because I've, you know, I've been in some relationships where, you know, the first language. It ain't the first language. So I've been motherfucked in, you know, Portuguese, Spanish. A lot of times, I don't know what I'm getting yelled at for, but with those things you will. Dude, sometimes I don't know what I'm getting yelled at for. And it's all English. At least we're all in the same boat. Right. Yeah. Creed was out. That was a great movie. The Martian goose bumps were all popping off in the box off. Drake's hotline bling took place. Drake was all over this year. Super Bowl champions were those

weak Denver Broncos. Ah, they weren't that week that year, buddy. All right. Let's get into it. They probably beat you in, uh, in Denver, Colorado. You know they did. You know they did, Kyle. Yeah. Okay, you fucking know that you were. You were probably there. I was probably there. I think you were. That's another time I met you when I said I never met you, but I, I knew who you were. Yeah. After today, you'll still never met me. This is when Vaughn Miller was just going absolutely insane. Vaughn was tough. We had to change up a snap count.

So Peyton, this would have been, was this the year that Peyton was out, right? He was out for like four or five weeks. And Brock. Yes, and Brock Osweiler came. Yeah. And then Peyton came back for the playoffs. And like the longest pass he ever threw was like 10 yards. Yeah. You guys had a hell of a defense.

Yeah. Hell of a defense. A hell of a defense. You know, he hit them 10 yards at a time. You're still going forward. Yeah. That's the name of the game. If you watch Brady, all he talks.

about the ball's got to go forward right ball's got to go forward yeah three point three yards of play and you're going to have a first down every we're going to be there we're going to be close right you stay you stay you stay ahead of schedule that's it it's it's simple but we try to make it just don't drop the ball kennelman you can't drop the ball hey you just can't drop the ball yeah you can't are you kind of other sports or just broncos uh i i enjoy watching all sports so yeah like you know watching basketball when it comes down to the nitty. Who's your basketball team? I mean, I grew up in the Jordan era.

Bulls. Loved the Bulls, but I wouldn't say I'm a Bulls fan, you know. I get it. I'm more, so people always ask me that. They're like, hey, yes, I'm a Broncos fan. I'm a Broncos fan because when I was a kid, late 90s. Elway. I really didn't have a football team that I pulled for,

but Elway was a part of a car dealership thing, and he came to Vegas, and he was signing autographs. And so I met him, he signed a ball of mine. And so I was like, okay, I'm a Broncos fan. And that's sort of around the same time they came out with their new... Unis. The new logo and uniforms and all that stuff, right? They went Navy on them.

Yeah, yeah. And so, sorry, that's why I picked Broncos, but obviously it was a good time. They went and won two Super Bowls back to back with Elway in that era. Rod Smith and Shannon Sharp and Terrell Davis, all the dogs, right? This one's for John. Yeah, yeah. They went back to back. But helicopter in the end zone?

This one's for John. John. This one's for John. So, like, this day and age, though, like, I've met a lot of players, you know, going to Super Bowl games, going to different functions that I get to go to. I meet a lot of players. And so, like, I've got, I've got Broncos gear. I've got Patriots gear, you know, I've got Eagle stuff. I've got Seahawks stuff. Like, I got stuff from everywhere that I've always been. And they're like, man, you wear all this stuff all the time. What team are you actually a fan of? And I'm like, I'm a fan of the players, you know? Like, I know a few guys that, you know, we've hung out and whatever. Well, I say that too. It's hard when you're another professional athlete to just, I mean, unless you, I grew up a Niners fan, but I can wear everything for different sports because you respect, like you said, you have friends from all the teams. And you respect and you understand what they went through to get to where they're at. And you're just, you're vested into what they do because you met them. You know what I mean?

It's pretty cool. Yeah. So like my high school baseball coach, he was really tight with Mike Maddox, who was Greg Maddox, brother. Yeah, yeah. And so I was, I was a Atlanta Braves fan. And then, you know, Bryce Harper's from Vegas. And so now I'm a Phillies.

I'm a Phillies fan. And then my business manager who works for me, he's got a cousin who plays on Cincinnati Reds. So, like, just all over the board. Do you still live in Vegas? I don't. No, I live in Charlotte, North Carolina. So, yeah. So no Vegas teams?

No, no Vegas. Shout out, maybe 704? Yeah, yeah. that's where biggest knights yeah let's go i'm a knights fan yeah the knights well the raiders the aes are going there yeah right um tom owns the wmba team which is see that's something else i went to a raiders game last year at home and got some raiders gear and so they're like oh man raiders and broncos are in the same conference so like yeah and like oh you're you're down and on your broncos i'm like no i just got free stuff you're more of a raider driver though a little bit yeah you're like a raider driver

Raiders. Yeah, because, you know, you're kind of... You're tough. That's right. You're tough. You don't give a fuck. You'll say what you're on your mind. That'll do you.

You don't care to break people's hearts. You ain't there to make friends. You're there to win races. And that's kind of like a raider. That's right. Yeah. It's kind of like a fucking raider. Well, back in the high time of the Raiders.

Get out of here. Kyle, we mentioned MJ a little bit earlier. What's it like having him in NASCAR now? It's good. I think that, you know, MJ probably brings a set of eyeballs to the sport. I think MJ anything he touches, right? So he's got that notoriety of everything that he was, that he was and did and accomplished and all that stuff.

And of course, everybody's always wearing Js around, you know, so it's really hot these days, but I don't think it'll ever die. And so neither will MJ. Yeah. Now, how come every NASCAR guy develops a southern accent when they're not from the South, but they... Do I have one? Kind of.

A little bit? You got a little twain. I mean, fucking, I mean, everyone, every, even the guys from California, they fucking have NASCAR accents now. Is it an accent? Do you guys go to a little bit? We don't go to course, no. You got to.

Yeah. I guess it's because I have a southern twang because all my football coaches were from the South in college and shit. So when I, you know, like, I'll get a little twang because you're getting yelled at in fucking South. Yeah. Y'all. What was Kyle Bush like in 2015?

I was probably the number one hated guy on the circuit. Why? I got a lot of booze. I won too much. I won too much. Did you feed off those booze? Hell, yeah. I felt like that, like whenever we played in New York because of the Boston, New York thing,

or whenever we played in Denver, because we had a little rival to Baltimore. Yeah. I loved being the villain. It brought my juices up. Does it bring yours? Tom was, right? Tom was, yeah, everyone hated them. Oh, yeah.

But it's crazy because he played through where everyone kind of. I liked him early in his career to everyone hating you. And if you're hating, because he won too much. You won too much. You won too much. That's it. Yeah.

So you're the joke. I mean, Tom coming in and playing for the Patriots the first couple of years, like they're like, ah, whatever, who's this new guy, you know? And then boom, it's like, AFC championship game. Oh, it's Super Bowl. You know, it's every year winning 16 and O, whatever. Yeah.

Yeah. Winning makes him hate you. Yeah. And then he's on the sidelines, you know, running his mouth. And it's like, oh, see, he is an asshole. It's like, no, that bro knows what he needs in order to win football. games and he's going to tell you he's going to tell you what you fucked up on 1,000% right was that kind of how it was with Gibbs working with Joe yeah um Joe is that because that's Joe kind of let you

be you because he knew that there was a way of being able to get the most out of his people his players his drivers whatever of like I'll deal with sort of the the off track some of the antics or whatever that you that you possess because you're successful on the track it's a production business. Yeah. Whatever makes you produce. That's right. Exactly.

Yes, sir. That's, I mean, that's what everyone asked. How was Belichick, you know, like, I mean,

he didn't give a fuck about anything unless you produced. You could be kind of an asshole. You could do this. If you produced on Sundays, that's all it matters. That's right. It could be part of your fengue.

That is. Yeah. You know, could be part of your, and Gibbs clearly knows how to get guys to perform at his highest. Yeah. Goes and fucking does in the Super Bowls.

Yeah. The Redskins. Now the commanders and we all hear about the NASCAR. I mean, that's, that's so cool. He just, he just have a presence about him. Like, he's just probably calm, cool, and collect.

He is, Joe? Oh, yeah. Yeah, for sure. No, but he just, he just knows how to extract the most out of his people. And if that's letting them be who they need to be in order to be able to get that, then he lets him be.

Like Danny right now, Danny, Joe, drives for Joe. He's the number one hated guy on the circuit, and he likes to run his mouth afterwards. And what does he say? He says, I beat your favorite driver or whatever, whenever he wins a race, you know, because all the rest of the driver's lost. Yeah. And so it's like, well, carry it, man.

Carry it while you can carry it. He's got, he's one of the only guys this year that's got five wins on the season. He's winning the most races, so run that, yeah. So you tip your cap. He can back it up on the track. You tip your cap to a good shit talk. I do. I do.

Yeah, I love doing it, man. I love doing it. Yeah, like I'd put my hands in front of the camera, like all the fans are booing me. They're just whining their cry babies because I'm winning. I've seen you on the mic before after a win. Like, yeah, you guys, when you said something, crazy. I forgot, but I was like, this guy, he really is a heel. He's the heel. Yeah, but you could back it up and go win the next week. One thousand percent. Yeah. Now, Derek Henry was the

Heisman back then? Derek Henry. Wow. That's badass. That's crazy. Yeah. They got to get a hold on to it now, though. Cam, Cam did bless that, uh, that Super Bowl. He was really good in the Super Bowl. So he was MVP that year. They were 15 and one. Really dope for that fumble there. They were 15 and one. I think so. Yeah. They were. Yeah, they were good. I think they beat us that year. Monday Night Football. They should have, they should have beat the Bronch. They were a better team than the Bronco. Well, not maybe the better, I think the better team overall won,

but Cam was definitely one that was carrying the Panthers, right? So, but he was carrying him enough that they were, they had a legit shot to win that one. You ever meet Cam? I have not met Cam yet, no. Cam is like the largest human being you ever meet. Is that right? He is such a big dude.

He's got aura. He's dressed to impress always. You mean this way? Every way. Yeah. He just, this guy. Oh, I've seen the dress. Yeah.

He's, because he played with us for a year. And he would dress like that to go to practice, like before work. Like usually guys come up to work and sweats and shit. You know what I mean? Yeah. This guy would be dressed out, I have all this shit going into practice. It would be crazy.

That never bled over to Belichick, though. You know what? Belichick never started to dress that way. No, it didn't. But like, like you said with Gibbs, he let him do his thing to get the best out of them. That's right. You know what I mean? And that's what good leaders.

do. What's your favorite race movie of all time? Days of Thunder. It's not even a fucking close. Yeah, Days with Thunder. They got a two coming out. I heard there's a possibility of two happening, yeah.

Get your ass in there. I was gonna say, we need a came in. I should, yeah, absolutely. I think you should be like maybe the second lead. You could be the asshole. Yeah, I could be the rowdy, right? Yeah.

The real rowdy. The real rowdy. Yeah. Because you do live in North Carolina. Do you have a sick boat like him? Because he didn't he live on a lake and he had a big boat? I live on the lake.

See? Yeah. I live on the lake. I mean, I got a pontoon, but we can rent one. We can rent whatever. We can rent it. Yeah. Yeah. Chevy'll send us something.

That's right. We got some Tahos. We get some Tahoe's over there. Yeah. Talladega Nights was okay. What's another? I like that one movie, the race movie. It was the LaMond one.

Not the Ford versus Ferrari. The Hunt. Was it the Hunt one? Yes. The Hunt and Ricky Lada. Yes. yeah that was it what was that called rush rush that was a great movie oh yeah yeah that was that was a good one 2013 yeah what do you uh do you have a pregame mix that you listen to no we kind of have our own like

set schedule of stuff we got to do but i'm not really i'm not really a big music like pump it up sort of guy no yeah no i wasn't like lyric hello from adele it's on there there you go yeah that's that's on my all-time playlist well let's jump into this race let's hear about this race jacky break us down First, we got to glaze up, Kyle, here and give the flowers and give the accolades. We could be here all day with these acclades. Let's get the big ones, baby. That's high, baby. 18's great.

How do you settle on the number, by the way? So it's typically the car owner. Okay. So the car owner, sort of, they always have their numbers. And so Joe, I don't know how he picked the number 18. I guess that was probably the quarterback number for the Washington Redskins for years. I don't think Douglas, was it? Was it Doug?

Who was the, who was the Hizman? I was just named the Peyton Manning. well both 18s won the championship there in 2015 there you go manning having 18 but anyway it's a car owner number so okay yeah all right that settles it um but kyle career wise two time cup series champion 15 we're talking about 19 again

745 career starts at the time of this cup series wins 63 of those Xfinity series truck series 169 combined wins there 9th all time in cup series wins And then the year we're talking about 2015, we'll get into the comeback here in a minute, but 25 races started, five wins, had an insane June, July, got so hot. Top 10s, got 12 top tens that year, five top fives. I mean, does it all. Sonoma in June, Kentucky in July, New Hampshire in July, the brickyard in July. Three straight, baby. Was going to be four. Man, four to five, though. What happened? Four to five, though. We got beat on fuel mileage at Watkins Glen. We were leading, but we had to pit with like three to go to splash and go. We just needed enough fuel to finish the race, but the guy behind me was able to make it all the way, so we ended up third.

What was the miscalculation on that? My right foot's a little heavier. More heavy. Yeah, so I burned up a little bit more fuel than I should have. Is that how, that's crazy, you got to be disciplined. Yeah. It could be that right there. We should have won't Pocono that year, too. So you get hurt this year. Yeah, back in February. Yeah. You get, geez. You break your leg? I broke my right leg, tib-fib, double compound fracture, and then I also broke my left foot. Jones fracture?

Liz Frank. Ooh, that's terrible. Yeah. Your pedal foot? Well, the brake, yeah. Which hurts even worse, because, like, your pedal, like the gas is easy. Like, you're just on and off the gas. That's no big deal.

But your brake pressure, like, you're pushing, it's like 600 to a thousand pounds of brake pressure, which your foot is probably pressing like 200 pounds, you know? So, like, you're doing a squat every time you're on the pedal. so that probably was the hardest thing to come back to that was the hardest thing to come back from absolutely so the broken leg thing like when i was in the the hospital and they put the rod and screws in and then a week later i'm at home recovering and the the physical therapist comes to the house and he's like all right hey stand up and i'm like what i got a rod you know you know what happened right he's like yeah stand up you're fine there's a rod it's gonna hold you up and so i was up for like i don't know t minus two seconds and i fell right back over yeah and then um but i couldn't put any pressure on my left leg because the foot, the foot, you weren't allowed to stand on your foot or put any pressure through your left foot for a month. Yeah. So I'm hobbling around. I'm wheelchering. I'm, I'm, uh, crutching, whatever it was to go from point A to point B for, for a month. And then finally it was

like, okay, now you can start kind of working in your foot, your foot workouts and things like that to get your foot back going. But I had, I had three plates in my foot and however many screws. And so I had to live with that for the whole season. Yeah. Because if I would have, if I would have gone back in for foot surgery, it would have taken me back out of the car and I would have missed, you know, probably four weeks, right, with all the, the bone that's got to fill in. The infections and stuff, yeah.

You know, so it would have missed another, so it was just, it wasn't going to happen. So I was like, we're just going to run the whole rest of the year with the foot plates and screws and stuff. And then after the season was over, I got it taken back out. But that hurt, that hurt the worst, the foot. Now, yeah, the foot guy, I'm breaking both my feet, my feet. my Jones fractures. Those are the worst. Is that the outer metatarsal? Yeah.

So that was, um, that was Greg too, right? Right. They're right. Huh? Huh? That was Greg. Olson. Olson had that. Yeah. He hit me up when he broke it. Really? Yeah. Did he hit you up? You did. He did. He gave. He was hitting up everyone on Greg. He was like, hey, what's the recovery here? What do I got to do? You know? And I'm like, well, mine's different than what yours was, but yeah, you're screwed. Yeah. It's true. I mean, I mean, I was barely walking to the race car to get in the race car.

So I'm not, I am not going to be going out there running at any sort of mile an hour and having 300 pound guys chasing after me and tackling me. Yeah, it's tough. And that's, I was going to ask you, like, confidence level. How did you get your confidence back so fast to just come in and start winning immediately off of injury? Like, because for me, when I would, it was tough for an athlete, like, when you break something, you have surgery and you have to rehab it from day one, like you couldn't walk. And it's like the most fundamental thing. Like that used to get at me so much when I had to overcome the fucking

surgery. And you can't just get to healthy. You're trying to get to where you're at. Exactly. You know what I mean? So how did you deal with that? It was tough. I mean, I had a good support system. My wife was there, which funny thing about all of this, not very funny, but my wife was six months pregnant at the time when all this went down you know so she's now taking care of me when i'm supposed to be you know helping her taking care of her we're having our first child at that time but um you know one of my main inspirations was like hey i'm going to be there in the hospital room with you i'm going to stand i'm going to help i'm going to support you so my recovery was based off of her being there for brexton's birth um but then also wanting to get back in the race car as well 1 000 you know but

like when i got back in the car um i ran so there was a non points race it's our all all-star race that we have in NASCAR and no points on the line, just money, whatever, but just go burn some laps. It was only like, it's like an hour and a half race, so you're not in the car that long. And so for being out of the car for 11 weeks, it's like a good, good way to get back in. One thousand percent. But then the following race is our longest race of the year at 600 miles. You're in the car for four, four and a half hours. So I fell out of the seat in that one. Like 50 laps ago in the race and I'm like, guys, I'm tired. Like my head is just falling out of this thing. I hit the wall a couple times. I ended up finishing 10th, but

the next race we went to, I crashed out. The next race we went to, I crashed out. The next race we went to, I think I hit the wall again. We finished, but it wasn't very good. And then the fifth race back was Sonoma. And we were the road course. Yeah, turning left, turning right, high breaking. So like high pressure on the foot, the bad foot. And so I'm running not very spectacular like 15th on the day and there was a caution late we came in and pitted for tires some other guys stayed out so we took the restart and zoomed right up through there and got up to the lead and I'm like shit I'm leading with three laps to go you know just don't screw it up and so we ended up winning that one which was awesome my fifth race back I won and I'm like okay this sort of puts

everything back into like okay we're good you know I can still win like things are okay and then that's when we went on that hot streak of June and July of winning all those races and and stupid fast. It was just like, let the races come to you. Like, don't try to go out there and win right out of the gate and make this, you know, Days of Thunder movie thing happen, right? You know, like that was my mindset, you know, routing. Coal trickle comes back from injury and goes and wins the Daytona 500, his next race out. And it was like, that's what I wanted. And I just pushed way too hard for that and was tearing up stuff. So, you got to get your mind right. You got to get back, you know? That's what it is. The injury thing is the mind. Your body's going to get

there. Yeah. It's controlling your mind. Right. And like the, the avenues your mind wants to go down. Oh, trust me. When you're laying in the hospital bed there and your mind's going through, like, I'm never going to race again. Like my career's over. Like, what am I going to do? Like, all this sort of stuff. And it's just like, you know, just trying to control that and put that back into perspective. Because my car still raced, you know, like Peyton Manning, he was out for five, six, seven, eight games, whatever it was. His team still played. My team still played. So I had to get back, get healthy, and get back in there, and they'll be able to go out there and execute. What's that like watching someone kiss your wife?

Okay, Ricky Bobby. Okay, Ricky Bobby. No. I mean, it's true. It's a tough thing when you're hurt and you're watching your team go out and have success and win. Yeah. That's another psychological battle you have as an athlete that's overcoming something. Right. Like, those are tough emotions. It is. You want your team to do great, but then they do too good and they're going to replace you. Yeah, well, it's going to be like, well, how good is how, what's the worst? What's your self worth? What's your self? If somebody else can do it. One thousand percent. Yeah. Take us through the persona rowdy. How did you get that? So early on in my

career, you know, I come in guns ablazing and, you know, wanting to make a name for myself and ran over some guys. It was kind of chaos a little bit, you know, talking that smack, all that stuff, you know, being a little rowdy, obviously. And then I was racing in the truck series, and the guy that I was racing for, his truck number was 15. And he was like, hey, I'll put a second truck out there for you to race for me. You know, what number do you want it to be?

And I'm like, well, your trucks are all black. Just take the 15, reverse the number, make it 51, and we'll put rowdy on that thing. Let's go, let's go dig. And we did that because at that time, too, like I was saying things I probably shouldn't have said and running into people I probably shouldn't have been running into. and so I was a little bit rowdy and so it just kind of went now who's the one guy that probably

broke the straw off the camel's back that they gave you the nickname rowdy that you you ran off the road who's the one that you may be you talk about junior you tell me that that's the biggest most known crash I guess I was in or whatever so we were racing for the lead it's at richmond it's in 2008 um Dale junior was racing for DEI his own his dad's team which is dad passed in 2001 but um his stepmom and team they were still kind of carrying it going well he ends up leaving that team DEI and going to work for Hendrick yeah which it kicked me out there was there was the you're only allowed four cars well I was the odd man out so I basically felt like I got fired because of junior coming in which there's a lot of other stuff behind the scenes that wasn't

the case right now that I've come to grow up a little bit and understand everything that happened um but in that time like I'm 22 two years old so I'm like fuck this guy you know like you know so we're racing for the win at richmond and I'm not going to give him an inch I might take I might want to take an inch you know and so we're racing hard battling it out

and I get loose into turn three and I turn the car right to correct it so I don't spin myself and I end up hitting him and it spins him out and he hits the wall and so who won huh who won Clint Boyer won the race it's nothing it wasn't even it wasn't even cool like I didn't I didn't even win like that that just goes to show you

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Listen to reasonably shady from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Eminem car. That was a cool car. M&M's was, that was 15 years of. winning races and um yeah those jackets are still my god oh yeah i see kids wearing the is the m&m jacket still all them basketball guys they wear them too and they're when they're rolling into uh one thousand percent that thing went triple plat like triple probably maybe one of the greatest pieces of merch of all time yeah uh and so what made me have that that rowdy persona or that

don't give a shit attitude was i knew the m&M's people so it's it's not a publicly owned company it's a own family own company and so like I knew the family and so they were like they were kind of the same as what Joe Joe was able to get in their ear and like hey just let him be him let him go do his thing because he's he's going to get us results like it may cause a little bit of heck but it's going to be all good we're going to win and hell we won 50 something races together and won two championships together and so you know yeah it was good it was really successful times what that's one of the top paint jobs what are you what are some other favorite paint jobs you you remember over your career? Well, with M&Ms, I was able to do a movie scheme. So we did a

Indiana Jones scheme back in 2008. It was pretty bomb. That was really cool. Crispy was actually my favorite M&M's candy as a kid growing up. So when I got to race the green Krispy car, that was the first time they did a full season paint out with a car base color other than yellow. It was always yellow. It was always the yellow car. Maybe they had a brown car, but that was green. Green was the first time they did that. And then years after that, they would always switch it out. We had the hazelnut car. There, you go there's the indiana jones scheme that was pretty cool uh i won that race in that car that was the southern 500 that was one of the angle you see the angle on the ground yeah see that splitter you want

that thing to set as flat as possible we got to work on that left front corner a little bit more we got yeah we got to get that thing down get it down yeah put it on the earth fucking put it on we don't we don't know no air going under there no you don't you don't keep that thing down that's right you want to air going over the top over the top what are some of the best all-time paint schemes in NASCAR 3. I mean, obviously the Dale Earnhardt Black 3, man. Like, that's the most iconic, you know. And then you got Richard Petty, the STP car

with the fluorescent day glow orange and the Petty Blue. You know, Jeff Gordon's car, the Rainbow Warrior, baby. You know, not the flame car. Jeff wanted flames. I'm like, the rainbow car, like, he didn't want to be the rainbow guy, right? We didn't want that DuPom, baby. I mean, he's from California.

But that rainbow, that was actually what really, really drew me into NASCAR and wanting to be a NASCAR driver was that when, so I was 9, 10 years old when Jeff came onto the scene driving the rainbow car. And I'm like, that's a pretty car. You know, like, I like that car. Like, I like rainbow, whatever. And everybody else was cheering for Rusty Wallace, who was a black car, the Miller High Life car, right? And then you had Dale Earnhardt in a black good wrench car. And, you know, Bobby Labani at that time was the green 18. But, yeah, it was, it was, Jeff Gordon was who kind of wanted, I wanted to emulate and be a NASCAR driver. I used to like Jeff. Me too. As a kid, as a kid, as a kid, I still like Jeff, still like Jeff. But just because he was the, like, he was known to be like the one California racer and I was from Cali, you know what I mean? Yeah. So like, he was a NorCal guy, yeah.

I'm a NorCal guy. Okay. I'm from San Mateo? Roman City. Where's that? It's 30 minutes south of San Francisco. Oh, okay. Yeah, I gotcha. Right on. He's like 30, he was north of the north. Yeah, North East, right. Yeah, like Sonora. Wasn't he over there? No. What is that place called? I don't know. Stockton. Near there. Is it Stockton? No. I think it starts with a C. Veeho. Oh, so it's all right. C. Vallejo. That's where Mac Dre's from. Shout out. Larson's from up that way. Yeah, he is. Yeah. He is. We came on. All right. Let's get up in there. That's true. Yeah, I mean, a couple of NorCalc.

No, my gosh. Yeah, let's get into a quick lead-up of this one. We mentioned it a little bit earlier with this being the playoffs. We have four guys left who are still in contention. Kyle, of course, being one of them. You got Kevin Harvick. You got Jeff Gordon, notably, last race. Yeah.

Last race. That was his retirement race. And then Martin Torex, Jr., yeah. So a lot on the line in this one. We got nine playoff races down. This is the 10th, of course. at Martinsville, Texas, Phoenix leading up to this. Jeff 1-1, Jimmy 1-1, Dale 1-1.

And then in those, Kyle finished fourth, fourth, and fifth, respectively. And then we talked a little bit about poll position earlier. We know that. We're learning the cars. We know what that means. Denny got the poll in this one. Kyle was third. Jeff Gordon started in fifth.

Martin Trucks Jr. in 11th. And then Kevin Harvick in 13th. So that kind of leads us into this thing. So of those other three guys, so Harvick was the reigning champion from your prior in 2014. Yeah. Jeff Gordon, this is his retirement race. This is his last full-time race as a competitor. And then Truex, what made his story kind of special is he's from a team in Denver, Colorado, which is unheard of. And they're sort of the underdog. You know, so you got underdog story, past champion. And then, you know, one of the sports greatest who's, this is his last race. What about you? What's your, I was just, I was just, I was just, the comeback kid. I was playing with house money. Everybody, so we have the, the way the playoffs work in NASCAR is if you were top 30 in points, which we were. If you have a win, which we had, you can be eligible for the championship. So we were in the playoffs because of our win. And so when the points all reset, when the playoffs started, because remember, I missed 11 races. So I'm 26th in points or something. I'm way

down there. But when the playoffs reset, I had the most win. So boom, I shot all the way of the top. I was the number one seed. Slingshot. Exactly. So we made our way through all the rounds of the playoffs as as he mentioned and we all this is the four best guys that made it to the to the last race and got to go race after the championship but a lot of the fans you know said that I shouldn't have been there because I didn't run the full season like they're you know their full season they're historians of the sport like you got to run all the races in order to be eligible well it's a different time different time so I we fit all the criteria and we made it happen so I just treated it as like okay you guys don't want me to be here then I shouldn't be here

fine I'm just going to play with house money this is this is for me to kind of learn a lesson to get ready for next year. I'll win it next year. You know what I mean? I'll come right on back. But I didn't anticipate us being able to win it that year. Well, I want to go through the pre. So like, this is crazy. That's a great top four with the storylines. How do you approach? So you have to beat all four of these guys to win the championship. You don't have to win the race. You have to be the top finisher of those three guys. Of those three guys. Yeah. So what's your race strategy? when you see Jeff Gordon?

Nothing really. I mean, to me it was just... Did you race them all the same? Yeah, and I try to treat it as it's just another race. You know, this doesn't, this isn't that big a deal. Like, we're just going to go out here,

we're going to run this race, you know? I wanted to qualify on the pole. I missed the poll. I qualified third. Denny got the poll. What's interesting about that is when you win the poll, you get the number one pit pick. And so what that means is you get to pick

where you want to be on pit road for like timing lines and things like that for pit road speeds. So since Denny was my team, mate. I'm trying to remember how I got the number one pit pick. I got the number one pit box that race. I can't remember exactly how that happened because Joey Lagano would have picked second. So why wouldn't if he have taken it? But anyway, yeah. So that all went down. But we were playing some little insider trading there. Hell yeah. Now, so you race all those guys. You don't have like

a little scouting report on each one of those guys. Like, all right, this guy likes to go high. All right, this guy's going to fake on this. They're all the same or you're just racing your race. It's just, it's all kind of mental. You just remember it all, you know. Jeff had always sort of been good at Homestead, not great, so I really wasn't worried about him. Truex was a guy that was the underdog team, so you really didn't think they were going to have all of what it took to be competitive and to win the race.

Harvick was probably the one that we studied the most and looked at the most and talked about the most because he, the year prior, was the champion, had to win the Homestead race. He won the race at Homestead to win the championship the year prior. You know he just won that race. He knows that track. That team runs that place the best. So that's going to be your biggest, toughest competition.

Take us through this track of Homestead. What's the, what's the scouting report on the track? So Homestead Miami Speedway is a true oval. It is a semi-banked oval where the bottom banking is 19 degrees. And then the middle banking is 20 degrees. And the top banking of the track is 21 degrees. So it's got progressive banking throughout the track. So at that time, the track had gotten a little bit of age on it. So you could run anywhere. You could run bottom all the way to the top. And so when you run at Homestead, like the closer you get to the wall, the faster you go, because there's like an air buffer that goes between you and the right side of your car and the wall. So you can kind of lean on this air cushion. And so that's the fastest way to go around. But it's also, if you brush the wall or hit the wall, it takes aerodynamics out of your car. So you're flirting with disaster, you know, so you really don't want to ride up on the wall. So for me, I told,

myself, I am not going to run the wall line until, A, I have to, or B, it's like the final 20 laps of the race. I'm not going to put myself in that spot, which during this race, it all kind of played out. There was a strategy call, and you want me to get into that? Yeah, absolutely. So, Harvick's leading. He's really, really fast. It goes from daytime to nighttime, too. Like, we go a little bit through that transition. Is that tough for you guys? It is because at Homestead, when you're going down the front straightaway, the sun is directly in your eyes like it's blinding you almost can't see turn one until you get into the corner where the shade is is covered by the banking you know yeah and then the sun falls down below the

horizon then it you can see everything fine does it change the the humidity of the track or the stickiness of the tire or anything it yeah as nighttime comes on you pick up more humidity so the the air gets heavier so you pick up more down force so the car sticks better the grip level of the racetrack picks up because the track temperature cools off so your tires run a little bit cooler the cooler the tires are the less slippage you'll get you know so you go faster but harvick is so harvick's leading this thing he's one of the fastest cars jeff jeff was a third to fifth place car and then um true x got up to i think about seventh or eighth during the race we were all kind of running up pretty close to the front there um but there was a strategy late in the race where

harvick came in to pit and we stayed out a little bit longer and so So then when we did come into pit and we came out of the pits, I cycled out pretty close to Harvick, like probably five, eight, ten car lengths behind him. And then we had fresher tires than he did. So fresher tires is always faster. And so I was able to catch right up to him and pass them relatively easy. And then I was just able to stretch my lead from there. And so I remember because there was like something that came on the track, right? Yeah, with 12 laps ago. There's always the, there was always the phantom caution. I was not pissed. Or who's, who's pissed about that everybody but me because I already knew Gibbs was pissed every but see I already mentally prepared for

this yellow I was like they are gonna throw a yellow NASCAR is gonna throw a yellow for something because they want that drama effect of like oh my gosh we're gonna go through a pit stop sequence and we're gonna go through a restart sequence and so you know it's gonna have everybody all up on edge and mad about it and we're gonna see what happens and I was like yeah okay when's the yellow coming you I'm leading the race it's 18 to go it's 15 to go I'm like yeah I'm leading like there's going to be a caution like I'm not nitty I'm not nervous nervous or tense or anything yet because we haven't gotten to the yellow so then the yellow flies and I'm like ha ha there it is you know I was ready for this you know so you had to go in so then we had to come in the pit so now

you got to rely on your pit crew now how the pit crew is the boys were good that that day they were they were fucking smoking I mean for for five six eight years whatever I had the number one pit crew of the year you know they were they were bomb so I was how important is that to have that Really important. Because if you come in the pits leading the race and you go out sixth, man, it's going to be really tough for me to be able to get past those front runners for a championship, you know, and to win the race. But we came in, we came in first. We came out first. But there was a guy who ended up staying out.

So he actually got to take the lead for the restart. But I started on the outside. And your boy, who started behind the – Harvick was right behind me. Which you thought he was going to go inside. I thought he was going to go inside. So he could write it? Well, I thought on the restart, when the restart would happen, the guy that stayed out on older tires, he's going to be slow, right? So he's going to have a slow takeoff. So I thought Harvick was going to take inside and make it three wide on the start, and then we were all just going to into turn one, you know? But Harvick picked behind me. So when he picked behind me, I was like, well, shit, it doesn't matter if I get a good restart. He's going to be behind me or if I get a bad restart. He can't pass me until the start finish line anyway. So like, I'm in complete control of him. Why do he do that? I don't know.

you're asking him no you don't give a fuck nope it's his that's not today it's over we're but he's not racing anymore and that was then and this is now that's kind of like when people ask me about what do you think about giving the ball of marshawn lynch or throwing it like i'm glad they threw they gave the ball to marshawn yeah or they threw it we picked it yeah you had a marshan lynch interview moment remember we watching that i did yeah and you were wearing skittles yeah was that like a plan thing yes that's why that's why I did that's a ball noer that's a ball nowhere ball no ball no I love it that's right you know football that's right yeah no some football Marshawn and I actually we did a we did a helmet swap I gave him my Skittles helmet and he gave me a Seahawks helmet you ever meet him yeah he's

awesome isn't he yeah he's super cool yeah so we're I haven't met a football guy I haven't liked honestly yeah I haven't met a NASCAR guy that I haven't liked who should I meet that I won't like lagano no you'll you'll like him he's uh he's a he's a he's a completely different person sitting here versus going to the racetrack do you guys eat during races no no just some do carl edwards used to he always had like a protein bar or some snacks or something like that because he was a he was a brick shit house he worked out all the time so he'd get hungry he burn his calories much faster than i do mine yeah and you do yours so take us through these last six laps after the caution

when do we know we have it when he you knew you had it when he fucking started behind you basically yeah yeah i knew i knew i had it you didn't need to win the race but you wanted to win the race you didn't all you all i had to do is finish ahead of harvick which harvick finished second in the race so i had to win the race right but at this point of the race but at this point of the race yeah when when when we all selected and he selected behind me i was like oh he just gave me he just gave me the win you know and so what are you focusing on from that point on don't crash basically yeah hit your marks do everything right and you know when we when we took off on the restart there um i got a really good restart i was like i just held the gas down all the way through one and two

wide open i'm like i hope it sticks and she just went through there just like glue and uh we come off a turn two and you know harvick's probably four five six lengths behind me i can't remember if the two brad if brad blended up behind me and harvick had to waste another corner passing him which just gave me more more gap um but i was just like just hit your marks just do everything you need to do and we ended up winning by 1.6 seconds so i was just able to continue to drive away we were just the better car we were just faster what are the marks so marks is your reference points on the racetrack so like going off into turn one there's a light and like you'll start rolling out of the gas nice and easy at that light and then you'll let the car kind of set into the banking and when it sets into

the corner sets in the banking then when you're on newer tires you can just whack the gas and and drive up off the corner wide open. But as the tires wear, then you have to start finessing the throttle a little bit more to not spin the tires and keep the car stuck to the racetrack. And tires are everything. Tires are everything. Yeah, rubber meets the road.

Rubber meets the road. And you had fresh tires. Yeah, me. The guy next to you had. Well, everybody did. Everybody but Brad. Yeah, Brad was the only one that stayed out. Stayed out.

Yep. And then how exhilarating did it feel when you finished the race? So I took the white flag. and when you take the white flag, the next flag ends it. So, like, if somebody crashes and the caution comes out like it's over, you know, you go in whatever order you're in, NASCAR just freezes the field. But when I took the white flag and I had probably a 1.6 second lead or whatever, I was less like, okay, now it's really like, okay, don't screw it up, right?

But as you're going down to backstretch, like, you're just starting to like think of, oh my God, like this is happening. Like, this is coming true. You know what I mean? So, like, you have a whole, I didn't really think about it for eight laps. I was just always like, hey, don't screw it up. But then the last lap, it's like, oh, my gosh, this is coming true. You know, all of my dreams, everything I've ever worked for.

Like, it's all coming true, you know. And you're wrapping through turns three and four, and you see the checker flag out of your windshield. And I had a tear run down my cheek, you know, because it was just like, wow, so cool. Was it the, that's the first one. Was that that, that's like the, the first one is the craziest one, because you've never experienced it.

Yeah, exactly. So the first championship, when I won the championship and you go to the winner stage and you do the celebration of all that stuff. And I don't know, the whole process of, from post-race to when you finally, like, go to the airport after the race is over, it's probably three, three-and-a-half hours. I mean, it blew by. It was like 30 minutes. You know what I mean?

So when I won it the second time, I had been in that situation before where I'm like, I'm like, let's slow everything. Like, let's just slow everything down. Like, let's take this in a little bit more. So I remember the second one, the whole three hours, like it was three hours. You know what I mean? so that was that was i got to really take in that one and and feel all of the the special things that kind of went through each and every little moment that that happened in that one i mean that had to

be not like low key that's that that was like the rest of the guys worst biggest fear that he goes out and wins after the year it started out because it just created a fucking monster yeah exactly so 15 we made it to the final four so to be championship eligible you got to make it to the final four So I made it to the final four in 15, 16, 17, 18, and 19. So five years in a row, we made it. We only won it in 15 and 19, but we finished fourth in another year, second in another year, and second in the other year, I think, if I remember correctly. So, like, we were always right there, you know, like in 17, we won the most races of that year, I believe.

And Truex, same, Truex was with that same team from Denver, Colorado, but they were fast. they were way faster. Like they had learned their stuff. They learned the gray. Yeah. And so he was the dominant car. And we actually had them beat in that race, you know? Like we passed them on pit road.

Like we cycled ahead of them. We were leading the race. And we come down for a pit stop. He got out ahead of me on the pit stop. Joey Legano was also out ahead of me. And Joey Legano, I punched him at Vegas earlier in that year. And so he was not a Kyle Bush fan.

And so he arrow blocked me. Like he used his car as an arrow defense tool. for 10 laps. It took me 10 laps to get by him. So Truex had a two second lead or whatever it was by Legano. So I wasted my tires getting by Legano. But I was still able to run Truex down and get close to him, but I was smoked when I got there. So I couldn't do anything when I got there. So I finished second to him by, you know, less than three-tenths of a second. So Lagano is your favorite guy on circuit. You could say that. How did you celebrate this? Do you go to South Beach at all?

I mean, you kind of had a kid, wife, but I mean, you guys went through so much that year. You had to celebrate somehow. I mean, we had a, when you have the, so the banquet back in that time, our end of the year point celebration, all the, all the top 10 drivers go to the awards banquet. It was in Vegas. So we, we threw down in Vegas pretty good. That's a, that was fun. I leave it at that.

It was at the encore. Oh, shout out. And Drew. Price is right, Drew. Oh, Drew Carey. Kenne State alum. Drew Carey. Same school.

Drew Carey was there. Nothing like old Drew Carey. Price is right, bitch. Yeah, yeah. He had a few of those there. You play some Plinko? Yeah, he was playing Plinko for sure. Yeah.

Awesome. Let's get into it. What's the aftermath of this? Of course, Kyle wins his first NASCAR Cup series. This would be the 34th NASCAR Cup sprint victory for Kyle. and the tour overall. Toyota, this was the first Toyota. That's big. Cup Series victory? That's crazy.

First Cup Series championship. Yeah, championship. Yeah. I didn't realize that. I also won Toyota their first Cup series race in NASCAR. You're welcome, Toyota. Well, NASCAR Cup Series, yeah. And then in 2019, of course, Kyle would do it again, get another ship.

I'm in 63 NASCAR Cup. When since then? 63 total. Yeah, since 2015. So I had 34 back in 2015. Now I have 63. So, 63.

Bad, baby. Not bad. Let's get into, let's grade the game. Let's grade the game. Let's do it. Let's name the game. These are some names that we came up with.

If you have a game or if you have a name that you want to use for this race, go ahead and blurt it out. We came up with taking it home at homestead. Sorry, Jeff. Come back complete. The first one is the sweetest. We're getting rowdy. in Miami. Or do you have something that you call it by?

No, no, it's always just the 2015 Homestead Championship race. So, you know, I like the, I like the third one and the fifth one there. I like comeback complete. That's good. I like getting rowdy in Miami. At least getting rowdy in Miami puts my name in there. So let's get the getting rowdy in Miami. Yeah, presented by comeback complete. Presented by, we got to start doing that. I like that. You know what? This guy's a, he knows,

he knows marketing. I'm a professional marketing. I've seen him have to control his, his anger in a post-game interview and drop his freaking thing. And then mother F someone. I've seen, there's a couple of those.

Yes, sir. Hey, we're trying to have a fantastic week in here, Phoenix. Is this the greatest game of all time? Let's score it. Decimals encouraged. Kyle, the stakes of this race. Jeff Gordon's last. Right.

The French guy name. I mean, he was battling. What are the stakes, zero to 10 decimals encouraged. Okay, zero to 10. All right. Drew X is the French guy. Stakes was 10, man. There's 10.

Yeah. I've got a really stupid question with this. For all the other racers that, what are they racing for in a race like this? They want to win. I mean, so they're racing for the win, but honestly, they're just racing to just money. Just get to the end of the season. Just get to the end of the season.

Yeah. Like, hey, it's the last race of the year. Like, let's just get this over with. Let's go home. Start over next year. Also, probably you get a little extra cheddar if you, the higher you, right? Yeah. Yeah.

There's always races within the race, right? So there's guys racing for fifth and points or tenth and points or 20th in points, whatever. You know, they want to finish their season strong on a high note. Stakes for me, I mean, this is a fucking Jeff Gordon's last race, guys trying to repeat. Routy getting rowdy.

No smoke, though. No smoke. No smoke. But I'm going with 9.3. Okay. Because you weren't going for back to back yet. You know, maybe if you were going back to back. You know what I mean?

The state could have been a little higher. Yeah. Well, stakes were 10 for me because it was my first shot of going after championship. It's comeback of all time, man. Yeah, this is, holy smokes. Star power of this race. A lot of stars, zero to 10 decimals encouraged. I'm going to go 8.9.

And the only thing that's going to draw it to 8.9 is just that true X factor of him being with a team from Denver, Colorado that's sort of like the underdog team, you know, they just didn't have the star power. If it was Jimmy Johnson with Harvick, and Gordon, like, boom, that would have been a 10. So I'll take some off for that. Yeah. I'm going to go with, I'm going to go with the 8.7.

Off of your logic. I like that. I like that. Off of your logic. I had a 9.4. Okay. Hey, you guys were giving some prop there. Well, hi.

The gameplay of the race. So how the race was from a outsider, how would the viewer accept this, this race? Was it entertaining? Was there a splash? No, I'm going to go I'm going to go 8.3. It was just a generic race. The 2016 championship race was very dramatic.

Very dramatic. You know what? The caution got me a little pissed off. I knew Kyle knew the caution was coming. But NASCAR always trying to make shit dramatic. They brought the caution out for the last 12 laps of this fucking race. I thought it was a little artificially raised. A lot of cautions today.

A lot of caution. Cautions that day. I'm going to have to go with an eight. A little defensive holding Patrick Mahomes in an AMC championship game. Yeah, maybe one of those. Eight flat. Eight flat.

Okay. I went 7.4. Okay. Wow. I don't know. I don't know. Did you watch the race? Oh, I watched it.

Highlights. I watched it. The highlights were even boring. Jesus. And then lastly, we go with the name of the game. We got to grade the name of the game. I might have a update my score because we came up with a very good name here on the flag.

Cultural significance, the impact. how much is how it's lasting, where it stands in sports history. Joe Gibbs said it best. He was like, this is one of the greatest sports comebacks in our sport ever, or maybe even all sports,

you know, being out with injury, coming back, all that sort of stuff. Because I still feel bad. Who is the Kansas City Chiefs quarterback? Alex. Alex Smith.

Alex Smith. Still hasn't, like, still struggling with leg issues to the best of my knowledge, right? He came back and played. But we had the same,

we had the same break, right? and he came back and played but just never was never was the same so but anyway um that was way off topic I don't know why I went there the uh name big sports comebacks for sure big sports come back yeah yeah I like the number eight right now so we're just going to stick in the eights let's go yeah I like how the NASCAR guys they always for the numbers they call it the I like the oh you know the 15s it's running good today I like you know the 34 this is he fucking ass like you know the 34 guy I'm going to go with um The name Routy

Getting Routy in Miami presented by Come Back Complete I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with a 7.9 Oh come on

It's pretty good Hey you like to come back I got to bump mine up a little bit I had a 6.0 before this but let me bump this up at 7-2 we were gonna pick Yeah we didn't know what you were in football Like someone knows ball

What's the equivalent for that for NASCAR For racing This guy knows cars One knows ball. Is that like they know ball because like they can play good ball or like they just watch it. Like they might say something that's like, oh, this guy actually watches a lot. It's not just like a casual fan being like, like Tom Brady sucks or something like that. Okay.

This guy's a trackhead. He's a real race guy. Race guy. I'm not a race guy. Yeah, race guy. Julian's not either. Okay. So I'm kind of a race guy.

8.21. I'm kind of. I want a race. What's that rank on the sheet? I'm trying to steal Valor and come off to find out. I'm about to find out. 8.21. It's our new.

30, the new the 35. The 35 spot. The 35. Yeah, right here. It's just below UFC 52 Couture versus. I would have given all tens.

Jesus. Mark Cuban did that. Mark Cuban did that. Did you guys decue that one? That's why we did. We re-changed the whole scoring system because he fucked it up. A game's five of. Yeah.

I mean, hell, I can't be below the Bush push. That's a great game. Yeah. I'm just Bush, I am Bush That's right baby I'm the Bush I should be the top bush

The number one bush I hate Bush so much I made her shave it off You know? A guy used to have that T-shirt At Loudon, New Hampshire Get Loud

There was a fan At Loud New Hampshire The race track Right Yeah And every time we were always there One of my Probably not one of my

Routy Nation fans Right And he had this shirt on He was like I hate Bush so much I made her shave it off. Oh my God.

Put that in the T-shirt Hall of Fame. Oh, we smoke. Lastly, before we go, I just want the Mount Rushmore of tracks. Tracks? The Mount Rushmore of tracks. All right. Well, so we sort of have our ring races,

you know. Daytona 500 is a ring race. The Brickyard 400 is a ring race. the Southern 500 at Darlington. Darlington. So Brickyard is Indy. Yeah. Indy.

Darlington. And then I love Bristol. Bristol's on my list. But why? I love short tracks. So Bristol's a shorter track. It's a half mile high bank. There's always action there.

You're flying. Flying. I always hear the guys talking about it. But then there's a lot of people would argue Bristol for probably Talladega. I mean, Talladega. Talladega nights. man. Who has the best food?

There is no food. They don't have, they don't give you guys like catered food in your, in your fucking dope RVs. We got our own RVs. My wife's my cook,

man, so she takes care of me. She's cooking good? Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's the way to do it. Got an Italian girl, man. That's a, love that. Yes, sir.

Must be nice. Do we miss anything from this race? No, nothing from this race. It was, it was a, it was a bang up race, man. It was good. Anything to plug? Everyone go check out zones.

We got a zone up. Yeah, I've been, I've been zoning, you know, this whole game. We're zoning? You got to get in the zone. So, yeah, we've got the zone Chevrolet coming up this weekend at Las Vegas Motor Speedway. We're in the playoffs. The NASCAR is in their playoff time.

I'm not in the playoffs, unfortunately. But, yeah, so we want to go out there and win Vegas, my hometown race. So we've got to put zone in the victory lane. Let's fucking do it. Let's do it. Yes. Thank you so much for coming on, bro. Absolutely.

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available on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Man, that was awesome. You know, I was just thinking, we're pretty lucky, man. We have so many, like, different cool people that come to the nut house. I don't think there has been a single person who hasn't been cool that's come on the show. We've done, like, 100 plus. Just as, like, a little kid, though. Like, I'm like, I get to have, like, Kyle Bush in my house.

Danny DeVito came over. Terry Bradshaw. Like, you know, the little kid in you? It's awesome. You need to have these people at your house. How cool? Who's got it better than us? Who's got it better than us, man?

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Hey, can I just, Kyle was a great guy. I know we already said the, what a guy. I love him. May those, the Kyle's? They,

uh, I mean the, the NASCAR guys. We can start calling them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They all have,

they're all like got their own like, they, they just want to race. Like, nah, than him. Trucks, whatever it is.

The individual is different from the team in terms of competing, right? Yeah, but also like they're just, they're all so confident in their racing.

Yeah. Oh, I love that. Like all, all race guys are like, yeah, I'm faster. Yeah.

I'm like, what do you, you know, we're not running. We're driving, I'm faster. Yeah, they just want to be fast.

Yes. That's fucking cool. That's so cool, bro. That's a good way to live. It is, man. Live fast, die, young.

It's probably terrible way to live. Hey, let it rip, Just let it live once. Yolo. Can we do a 30 for 30 on that M&M's jacket? That needs his own 30 for 30. Dude, he's met a lot of cool people too, man. What if I told you? Kyle Bush. He was exactly like that when I met him. Oh, back in the exact same person. Like, he's kind of like a, he'll show you his territory. Oh, yeah. Like, hey, come over, you know, but he'll set you up. He'll want to, he wants to joke on you a little. He was very proud of bumping you, too.

He was like, yeah, that was me. I did that. Yeah, that's fucking me. Now, what if I would have just fucking, like, spun out? I want to know if he had done that for, like, all the pace driver. Probably does. Just for you. Every time.

I think the guy, a guy reminded me, right? The guy right next to me is like, I wouldn't be surprised if Kyle tries to bumping. I'm like, what do you talk? So I kind of knew it was coming. Oh, man. Little intimidator. What a cool, dude. That's awesome.

What a guy. Come back anytime. What a guy. we got tis the season the Halloween season so in honor of that season we are going to be drafting in a little edition of top five Kyler Jules myself are top five scariest athletes of all time what do you think of that I like it I like it let's get scary baby these are the guys that you love them on your team you don't want to play against them and even if they are in your team you still might be a little scared we included some coaches in here

as well. We got some notable names here that we can kind of pick from but just let these things rip. Jules, you want to get the first draft pick overall? Oh, first draft pick for me. scariest guys. Jack Lambert. What a pick.

What a pick. 215 pounds just laying wood. I mean, you just see a photo of that guy. He's pretty scary looking. Jack O'Lantern. I wouldn't call him out to his face. I'd be too scary. Jack, you were me. He would murk you.

You go first, guy. Or you get it's like, I mean, I'm, I'm going to go with Ray Lewis. Oh, baby. Ray Lewis is pretty, pretty scary. Pretty freaking scary. On and off the field. Super Bowl weekend in Atlanta. You don't want to see him.

It's something in his eyes, too. Oh, yeah. There's like an intensity to it. Oh, yeah. I think I'm going to go Mike Tyson. I'm going to go Tyson. You know what? That's pretty good.

He's scary because you don't know what Mike you're going to get. Oh, I know. I don't know. He seems so cool now. but I've seen him like in around certain people where he he just doesn't click with that vibe. Yeah. Like, he's like a pet tiger.

Yeah. Like he may be friendly to you, but he's still a fucking tiger. I eat your children. Like spinal. I want him on. He'd be incredible. He'd be so good.

Just walking out there with a towel in the black, all black trunks like no superfluous baloney. No outfit just coming to murder you, bro. Dude, he was pretty scary. Coming to murk. Next scary. All right. Is it me?

No, it's snake trap. Snake trap. Oh, we're snaking. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm going to go with a weight room legend here. James Harrison. Number two, baby. Scary. I think that's a good one. He was. Debo. He was terrifying.

Yeah, you played with him, man. He tackled me once. He got me from behind, like on a screen or something. He is a scary looking dude, and he has the aura and how he talks.

And he's very, like, But I love them. What's up with these Ken State Alums being so scary? Hey, we got scary motherfuckers out here at Ken, dog. Andrew Kerry. Kyle likes Drew. He likes Drew.

He ain't no Bob Barker, but he liked Drew. He ain't no Bob Barker. Who is, though? All right, who do you got? I'm going to go with Mean Joe Green. That's a classic. His mean is in the name. If mean is in the name, you're like...

Although he showed a softer side in a Coca-Cola commercial. They can catch. But, you know, Terry said it himself. He's fucking mean. They ain't called me for no reason. Great pick. I like that. Scary.

I'm going to go with Ronnie Lott. Oh, that's a great one. Especially for like a receiver. I wasn't ever scared of anyone. But Ronnie Lott. But Ronnie, I just grew up watching him and the finger cutting all. He just, he tried to punish people. I loved it.

But it's scary. Oh, yeah. You need those guys. Yeah. Who's that guy up? No, you got to do another one, Joel. Oh, me? Yeah.

Fucking Nolan Ryan. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. He's like 6'4 tall on the mound. He pitched until he was like 50. Could you Matt? And he was throwing gas. And he would give you that sweet chip music if you gave him the wrong look.

And if you charged him. If he didn't like your demeanor, he beat the shit out of you if you charged on him. And he did it for, dude, right. Nolan is like, that's, That's terrifying. It's a scary man. Throwing heat. Throwing heat.

That could do some real damage too. That old man's... They'll beat the shit out of you. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, I'm going to go... This is probably a bit of a reach

in terms of drafting with you guys, but I think he deserves to be at this place, and I wouldn't want to fuck him. Like, I wouldn't want to fuck him. I wouldn't want to fuck with him. I wouldn't want to fuck with him, even though he's no longer with us.

I'm going to go, uh, Bob Probert. Enlighten me. I don't know. He's probably, he's widely regarded as one of the, uh, toughest fighters in NHL history. He's the guy that, um, Rick Flair told the story.

Yeah. Yeah, that's him. Hmm. I like that. He's a mean, son of a gun. All right. All right. Good, good puckhead pick right there.

I'd expect nothing less. Mm. Is it me? Yes. We're going to enter, we're going to introduce some hoops in here. KG. Kevin Garnett. Okay.

Oh my goodness. I was going to give you. you some shade for going basketball but kj you got he's got the eyes he's huge i wouldn't yeah we've heard the stories intense yeah kg all day love hey g all day love him now's me again oh this is tough um going fighters feels a little like not like quite cheating but it's like the little obvious in some cases yeah um and i already do have mike tyson but my gut is wanting to kind of want to put nate dyes in there. It scares a crap out of me.

Bay Area. North Cal Finest. I know, man. Those, uh... Skibbitty do, da. Those, uh, what's it, what's that, uh, what's that town he's from up there that kind of scares me even thinking about it? Yeah, from Stockton, right?

It's from Stockton. Yeah, Stockton just seems like they got some, some hard hitters, man. Oh, yeah, they're tough. Like, the mean streets of Stockton, baby. Stockton is tough. Yeah. Neathe used to grow up going to them antique water slides right next to Stockton. I had an aunt that lived in Stockton.

Let's just say we didn't see her very often. damn i don't fuck with her either no she was it's you gotta be tough out there dog keep your head on a swivel that's me i think we're going on a little bit of a ufc ring here i'm gonna go with habib i can't even pronounce this last time i'm not gonna try because i don't want him to i was gonna say him well i beat you i beat you too i think he's terrifying too scary and like from dagastan like and he's wrestled a bear when he was like 10 he's like friends with bears that's like scary and he doesn't talk shit he like like like that whole like he's the type of person that just like him he'll take everything that you say

won't say anything and then just punish you when he has the chance to yeah scary stuff wow spooky even spooky season you know who I always I got I got my last two laid on me I always thought I wasn't scared of him but I bet like he's just Rishie Wallace yeah okay I'm with you dude You know, he just seemed like, you don't want to fuck was she. A real deal tough guy. Real deal, holy field, tough. A lot of these current NBA guys, fake tough guys out there. She'd, I wouldn't mess with Sheed.

Yeah, I think that's fair. I agree with that. My last, I mean, L.T was pretty scary. Oh, pretty scary. L.T. Lawrence Taylor. And it's so crazy to hear the people that, like, the old timers that were shining around that time. like when we had Rick Flair or anyone

there's always one constant Loner's Taylor was like the baddest dude alive yeah it really is like I mean it's just scary that he didn't even have to go on sleep and he dominated the league and he still would have done it now he still would have done it now

because if you saw his football knowledge like through his tape and if he was in this day and age with all the technology and the sick like he would be even that crazy he'd be that much crazy here's a question a guy like that who was a little rough

around the edges, did his own thing, if he had dialed in and been kind of like a Tom Brady level of like craft and process and showing up early and being dialed in, do you think that would have made him even better? Or was he just the type of cat with that he needed to be how he was to be how he was. I think that's just, I think. I'm almost leaning on the ladder. I'm like, yeah, I don't know. I think that part of it. I think that was part of him. There's not, you know, some guys, there's multiple ways to get into the top. Yeah. Some guys are like Brady Some guys are like LT

I love how everybody's got an LT story too Everyone has an LT story too And then they'll go I can't tell you on it They say they got him I don't know So I mean I was gonna pick this anyway

But that's how scary he is Yes Everyone has an LT story And if they give us an LT story They don't give us the one Alpha camera That's true Because they don't want to fucking piss off LT

He was smoking At the Giants game Did you see that? He was smoking a cigar are, I don't think anyone can smoke in New York, any, like indoors in New York anywhere or Jersey. Like, it's one of like the most critically places that you can't smoke indoors nowadays. I mean, we're not talking. That's crazy.

Yeah, no one's going to be the show pro guy that goes up and says, oh, sir, put that out to L.T. Fire marshal. Yeah, I'll put that out in your eye. God, God. So I was going to do this pick even before you picked LT, but my guy, I think LT might have been scared of himself. Don't say it. Bill Parcells. The big tuna.

Yeah, right. I mean, I got to meet coach. He was older and his grandfather now, but still. Yeah, but he was, he basically said to me at the Hall of Fame, I wish I would have got my hands on you. That's what he said to me. Yeah, both literally and figuratively. No, like, and now we're over here bitching and complaining about that one coach that

nudged the player. Oh, yeah. Not just liking. him a hundred grand fine. That wasn't Shane's Oh, no, it was Gannon. It was Gannon. Sorry, sorry, sorry.

Look, I don't like guys touching guys. And I've heard other people say like, oh, coach would have touched me. I would have beat his at. No, he wouldn't. Like, I'd rather get touched than get cut. Don't drop the ball. I rather get touched and then,

and then yell that than cut. Print up the social graphic for that one. That's a great bar. I mean, Andy, he gets fired and he's dropping shoulders into Travis Kelsey. Yeah, bro. This is, this is professional football. Yes.

So Bill Parcell is the type of scary. Maybe not like, well, he was big and physically. I think I actually saw James Harrison said he would have beat the shit out of the coach, which I believe. And I do remember one time,

Algie Crumpler. Algae, Scottie O got up in his face and Algie said, hey, don't talk to me like that ever again. And he's like, all right, I'm right. To Bill? Yeah, no, to Scotty O. Oh. Algie said that gentleman.

Yeah, I love that. It was funny. Dude, God, I loved Alie Crumpler, right? There's some guys that have that aura, though, on the team that could say that. But clearly that kid, I mean, I don't know. I thought it was a little much 100,000

Oh yeah Yeah also don't drop the ball On the one yard line in celebration Look look you gotta think about this Okay there's people's jobs on the line over this Okay and you're in the middle of a battle There's a lot of shit that's done and said I've motherfucked people

People have mother fucked me Almost fist fought my best friend Slate like that stuff happens In a high stress environment in football Now I know the league don't want to see that and they don't want to portray that. That was a little much, I think. Like, how much of your home time of hundreds of people's,

like putting their time and energy and effort and practice and study? It's not just about the people, like the guys on the team. It's the freaking little lunch ladies. It's the people and the, everyone that works for the organization. They all get paid if we win. Yep. Yep. That's how important this is.

And then for celebration, that's the worst part. The fate of the organization. It's crazy because we talked about it on a, show, Fox Kickoff with Charles Witson. He did like one of these he does his little, he coaches up the youth and he was coaching him up. He's like, yo, let's just score

the ball. That, and then it happened right after. You just got to watch kickoff. I want my guys, Forrest Gump that thing. You were to run all the way up to the tunnel with that. Forrest Gump. Yes. Come on now. Hey, so, now we're way after this thing, but that would be really cool if someone does that. Or if he does that as, I don't know

how much he's going to be playing more. Yeah, really. That's a celebration. Yeah, just keep running. I had I'm starting, too, in my fantasy. That's why I'm pissed, too. Oh, my gosh. We're not even going to talk about that trade. Golly, did I get taken for her? What are you talking about?

Boy, I got fleeced. We haven't even talked about that yet. What are you talking about? Who's your next one? Different story for it every day. I love algae crumpled, though. My last one. My last one.

This is, I'm glad you guys left him on the board here. In honor of a race, the NASCAR episode, they learn hard, baby. His name is the intimidator. Dale. Dale, senior, man. Raise hell, praise Dale. My guy number three, the legend, RIP, love you Dale.

Man, what an intimidating dude. I mean, if you saw them sunglasses that he wore. That stash, RIP, Dale, we love it. RIP, man. I still remember watching that. Me too, dude. Not watching it, but I remember it was a big deal when I was a kid. I remember, yeah, it was just on ESPN.

Yeah. I mean, it was crazy. Yeah. God. And it didn't even look like it's the ones that, you know, it just got him the right way. Because he didn't get flip or anything. He just hit it.

But it was fast. It wasn't spectacular, but it was forceful. Forceful. Well, that was the scariest students. Sorry to end that one on a bit of a... We brought some real scary. Yeah, we did. We did.

I like to imagine we do sort of a a little bit of a West Side story meetup, if you will, with all of our groups here somewhere. Yeah. A little bit of an anchorman. We all meet in the park one and duke it out. I don't know, bro. I think my team's got it. I think I'm taking my team.

Your team's pretty good. I don't know. Kabib's over there. That's pretty scary. My team's pretty good. I mean, in a back alley, Tyson. Yeah, Parcells. And James Harrison on the same team. And Nadee. Oh, my, that's a fight. And KG, that's length. Then just Dale. Yeah, Dale are a getaway drop. I bet you did. I bet you deal or aren't a fight, though.

Back in those guys, those guys go fight. I wouldn't fuck with him. They'll are going to beat the fuck out of you. He's like a simulator. What the hell's a simulator? We should have people vote on this one. I mean, L.T's pre-A, Rashid, Nolan, Ronnie. This is our best version of drafting.

Usually you guys do terrible teams. Hey, we do good. But now they're actually even. I draft like Matt Millen out there, bro. Wide receivers. It's crazy. These would be some crazy gang fights. This would be, dude.

Meet in the park, bring a trident. I think ours wins because I just. be the, I can beat you two up, so. I don't know, Mr. Serger. I don't know about them because they can all kill each other out, but I got you three. I'm not even going to argue that one. So we're going to win that. I don't even argue that one.

I'll curl up into a ball, cower. You're looking really good today. We all kill each other. Kill him with kindness. Comes up, wins. Jack killed a guy. You should lay low for a little while. Oh, man.

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