Games with Names - 2018 Survivor Series with Charlotte Flair | Ronda Rousey vs. Charlotte Flair

Episode Date: June 17, 2025

Charlotte Flair is in studio! The Queen is with us to relive an all-time match against The Baddest Woman on the Planet. That's right, we're diving into the infamous 2018 Smackdown vs. RAW Survivor Series match between Charlotte Flair and Ronda Rousey. Charlotte joins us on the couch (02:29). We go back to November 2018 (27:26). We break down both superstars (32:58). We get into the match (43:40). We score it (01:08:28). We hit the hotline in this week's Chill Zone presented by Coors Light (01:13:47). Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart podcast. I took Macho Man to show and tell in kindergarten. You took Macho Man to show and tell? Well, they were in town. Please explain this. So they were in town. I don't know if it was for a show or promotion. And my dad brought him by Providence Day where I went to elementary school.

He was just like walking down in his Zubas. You know those? My dad brought him by Providence Day, where I went to elementary school. He was just like walking down in his Zubas, you know those? My dad and him. Like. What were the kids saying? That's Macho Man or Savage. I see, I don't know if they even knew who he was. Cause we were so young.

What did he show? Or was he the thing that you were showing? He's the show. He is the show. He's the show. But I don't, it wasn't actually show until day. He was just like, I have show and tell today. Like here he is.

Welcome to games with names. I'm Julian Edelman. They're Jack and Kyler and we're on a mission to find the greatest game of all time. And on today's episode, we are covering Flair versus Rousey in 2018 Survivor Series Raw versus SmackDown with 14-time Women's World Champion, Wrestling Royalty, The Queen, Charlotte Flair.

And we're talking what it's like to have Ric Flair as your dad. I never really realized what my dad meant to the industry until I watched him retire. These people really like my dad. I never really realized what my dad meant to the industry until I watched him retire. These people really like my dad. This is crazy. I like them. Then we get into Ronda Rousey and her jump to the WWE. I mean, sure, I know how to do a submission,

but do I know how to break your arm? No, but she does. Yeah. That's what made her special. She was untouchable at that point. And what goes into wrestling feuds? You go in apologizing. You do business as business is being done.

And then we hit the hotline with this week's Chill Zone brought to you by Coors Light. You gotta stick around to the very end. Let's go. Games with names for production via radio. November 18th, 2018, Staples Center, Los Angeles, California. The baddest woman on the planet vs. the queen. And it's about to get bloody. This is the anything you can do, I can do better, Mash. Welcome to Games with Names. Today we have a very special guest. We are looking at the Charlotte Flair versus Ronda Rousey, Raw versus SmackDown Survivor Series 2018 match

with Ashley Flair because she plays Charlotte Flair. In one sentence. Let's go. In one sentence, why this match? I'm going to Main Event WrestleMania because of that match. Is this the greatest match of all time Is this the greatest match of all time? Not the greatest match of all time, but one of the most impactful matches of all time.

Two very thought out and well answered questions and staying within the guidelines of the questions, which most of our guests don't do. Best we've gotten in a long time. Yes. Oh, good. Very, yeah. Now, if it's not the greatest but most impactful, what is the greatest match of all time? Like, of my catalog of matches?

Whatever. Or the greatest match of all time? The greatest match of whatever you think. Could be match, it could be sport. What is the greatest whatever? Oh my gosh. Wide open. The greatest wrestling match of all time.

Wrestling is so objective. Objective. Okay. So the greatest match of all time for me, because I never really realized what my dad meant to the industry until I watched him retire against Shawn Michaels. Look, I've been to matches, but when I was sitting in Orlando and everyone holding up the woo signs and grown men crying and the like, I'm sorry from Shawn Michaels. Like it just had everything that a pro wrestling match needs and should have for storytelling.

Well, we need to get that match on the show eventually. We have to. Love that. But that was a great start. But I was like, these people really like my dad. This is crazy. I mean, he. I wasn't really a wrestling fan.

So you weren't a wrestling fan. I wasn't. OK. And we'll dive into that. But what are you doing these days? What am I doing these days? What are you doing these days? What takes up your time?

Wrestling. Wrestling? Yeah. You're coming back from injury. I love it. Coming back from injury. How's the knee feeling? It's good, it's more mental.

I came back, won the Royal Rumble, have had a couple matches, had a big loss at WrestleMania against Tiffany Stratton. But yeah, I was just getting my confidence back, continuing to train. My brace is bedazzled. I love it. You got to have swag. You got to bedazzle the brace. Now, you talk about you need more reps and trying to get your game under your boat because of your injury. What's the rehab process

been like for you? Explain to the listener how psychologically demanding it is to come back from injury. Oh man. Well, especially when you're an athlete, and for me, I think what helped me stand out in this world of wrestling was my athleticism and my background. So having that being taken away and not knowing if I could come back

and be the Charlotte flair with the high flying, quick feet, just naturally athletic, I was like, oh my gosh, the best part of me is injured or taken away. So mentally overcoming that. And then once you overcome that and realizing like, oh, this process isn't just, okay, I'm out for nine months and I come back. It's like, no, I mean, strengthening the muscle, the stability, I still get a shockwave twice a week

to deal with like the pain in the quad. It's just constant. But I like the challenge of it, to be honest, because before this, like 10 years of my career, I never stretched, was never injured. It was like, all right, time to have a match. Like didn't think about it, didn't worry about it. And now I'm like, does this limb feel like my right leg? Like not necessarily.

And people don't realize that when you're a professional athlete and you get hurt, it's not about healing the injury 100%, okay, that's not what you're trying to get when you're an athlete, okay, you're trying to get to where you were at before the injury. Which being healed and where you're at after the injury. Yes. Which being healed and where you're at after the injury is different. So that's the constant battle the professional athlete

has in their mind while they're rehabbing something is yes, the injury is healed, but can the limb or the anything, whatever you hurt, get to where it was before you're injured? And that's the self-consciousness that you have when you're rehabbing. It's just, I always, for me, it was always like, I had to get in competition mode with myself.

And it gets into, like you were saying, you were an athlete as a, you know, you're athletically gifted. So it comes into that and it's always fun hearing people's process of how they handled some of the most traumatic times of their life as an athlete is injury. So how they handle that is everything. You know what I mean? Yeah, it was for me.

Now how's it being back in the ring? It feels good. So when I'm actually in the ring, I don't think about it. Like once the bell rings, I'm not like, oh, this hurts or I have that pain because I really don't. But it's like sitting here with you talking about it and I'm like, man, can I get hurt again? Is this going to hurt it? Like I just never had those thoughts before. Like I just, I don't know, I was like indestructible. And now I'm like, I kind of like second guess things where like,

I hate that. Like before I would just go out there and do my thing. And now I'm like, is this the safest thing to do? Like that's like, should I go through this table? Mm. She had a different. The answer's always yes. Every Buffalo Bill thing. There's a lot of American Bulls.

Actually, I told the fans to stop saying that the other day. You know. This terrible chant. I just. That's the hard part. And then like a doctor telling you, well, your knee's never going to be the same. Well, if I do this,

your knee's never gonna be the same. Well, if I do, you're like, huh? Like that doesn't like compute with me. Yeah. No matter how hard I train, it's not gonna be the same. Yeah. Like it looks the same,

the muscle's great, the shape's there. The thing that you gotta take that I always took from when I got hurt was the information you were getting from the physical therapist. The doctor's just the technician. He's just doing the work. The physical therapist is teaching you how body placement should be, when your body's vulnerable, when you're cutting on it, or what kind of movement will give it stress so that there's certain movements we can train, certain muscles we can train to protect our movement going.

That's the stuff that I always took. After I tore my knee, I was superhuman because I was rehabbing both knees, and you become educated on what you should and shouldn't do. And then like, you know the proper technique on certain things where you're gonna keep yourself safe. So like that's so hopefully the thing that you learn out of that.

Well, like ankle mobility. Right now is the biggest focus for me. And I'm like, I'm like, I've never worked my ankles in 39 years of my life. And now like really care about my ankle. But it all makes a difference. The biomechanics are all connected. So you get back in the ring,

you're probably like 18 months out now, but you've had some serious combats, some serious matches. You went to WrestleMania 41 in Vegas. How was that? It was good. Was that, you see Gronk there? I don't think I saw him that day. Do you know who Gronk is?

I do. Well, we have a mutual friend. Okay. Dean Mutati. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've seen him out there. He lives in Orlando, I think. Yeah.

He does. We have Summer Slam at MetLife this summer. Yep. Are we excited for that? Yes, to be back in MetLife. That's where the big, that's where, life. That's where I made a vent. Yeah. Yeah.

And the best fans in the world are from the Northeast. So you think so? I think so. They're the smartest. I like that. Except for Chicago fans. Ooh, why? The worst wrestling city in the world.

Worst? And the second. Really? What's the two? It's not two. What's wrong with Chicago? Oh, they know what's wrong with them. Oh, Chicago.

What's the best wrestling city? Oh, there's so many. Philly, New York, Pittsburgh, anywhere overseas. Boston? Boston's good. Becky Lynch said Hidalgo, Texas. That's the best place. That was a deep cut.

Deep cut. Any small townidalgo, Texas. That was the best. That was a deep cut. Yes. Deep cut. Any small town in Texas, yeah. They're easily entertained. Yeah, she said like Chile too, I think, or something. Yep. They're dropping some crazy pools. Now, John Cena's back.

Yep. That's always big for the WWE. The John Cena. Now. Yeah, the John Cena. No big deal. That's what my daughter used to call him. Was from the Scooby Doo movie.

She goes, Dad, have you ever met the John Cena? You ever met the John Cena? Yeah, I go, what do you mean John Cena? She goes, yeah, the John Cena. She calls him the John Cena. But can you take us through like, he's a heel now or is he, he's not a baby face no more, right?

He's a bad guy. He's a bad guy. Now how is that going through what your, your persona is going to be? Oh, John's been a good guy. His whole career, good, bad, really bad. Right now I'm like, really bad. Take us through it. Dislike, how do you get yourself into a mindset of being heel? Right now I'm like really bad. Or really disliked.

How do you get yourself into a mindset of being heel? Oh, how do I... Just breathing. I don't know. Just breathing. How do I say this? You got to be full of piss and vinegar. I just have to be...

Yes. So my mom used to say I was. She'd say, you're full of piss and vinegar, boy. Well, it's like when I try to be nice, or I try to be endearing, they dislike it more. So then they boo louder. I'm like, well, you know what? I'm not going to tell you I had a bad day. I'm going to make you hate me and just say I'm the greatest,

that I didn't have to work for this. Well, I mean, being a legacy wrestler and your dad's Ric Flair, who doesn't make it easy on you? And I've won a lot of matches, titles, had a lot of opportunities. So when they bring in you, when you're at the high, everyone's trying to bring you down. Yeah, exactly. No matter what.

Now what's more fun, being the healer, being the baby face? Oh, being the bad guy. I agree. It's more fun. You know, like when you said the best fans are in the Northeast, I loved being the fucking villain running through that MetLife Stadium in front of all those goddamn Jets fans, knowing that they knew they were losing that game.

Yeah. That's what I fucking love. But see, that's the mindset you have to always have, like being that bad guy. Yeah. Like knowing you're like, yeah, I'm the greatest. I know my dad and I are are gonna need our own wing. You gotta have your own wing in the hall. Our own wing in the hall of fame. Got it. Now, what's the key to good wrestling trash talk?

Oh, what's... Are we doing research before? See, I always felt like I could back it up in the ring. That was like, that's where I feel like the most confident. Yeah. Like beating Rhonda to death in her own hometown was like pretty devilish. Honestly, it doesn't get much more devilish than that.

That's some devil right there. That was devil right there, baby. Yeah. It really just depends on the opponent. Like everyone, every good guy is different or what they bring to the table that makes the fans like them. So you try to attack that.

Yeah. That's how I look at it. Are you practicing these things? Are you thinking about these things pre like match? Cause like I would go in, for example, we used to have, Bill would always test us on like Wednesdays about our opponent. Like we have a whole week to study our opponents.

And so he'd always ask me about the punter because early in my career, I had to return the punch. You know, I don't know what's, what's this? What's up with this punter? I go, well, coach is Hank times four, two. He likes to go to his right. He's a directional punter. You know, I, I, I heard he had a really hot girlfriend

in college that, you know, another punter took. So he's vulnerable of getting a little sidetracked in the game coach. He had a four point, like that's the kind of shit I would, I would research everything about that punter just so I could like make a funny joke in the team meeting. But it's the same in wrestling. in the team meeting but it's the same in wrestling it's the same it's the same yes the lines are blurred 100% now

how what do you think about the state of women in wrestling right now I think it's like at a whole nother level than it's higher as ever been what do you think I would agree with that you agree Yeah. And this match is a huge part of it that we're about to go over. And it was the main event of only one night. Now we have two nights. It was the main event of only one night. And now we have two nights. So it's a big deal. Now you have two nights, two different opportunities. So that being the main event of one night was huge. Yeah. Like it'll never happen again.

Unless we go to one night. Netflix ain't gonna let us go to one night. You know, you gotta get them streams in. Come on, J.L.R. You gotta get streams. We got 300 million people watching this in 120 plus countries. I swear to God if it buffers man. How crazy is that the wrestling's on Netflix now?

No, it's definitely different. Like from Fox, USA, now Netflix, it just goes to show how global we are. I think that's like the biggest takeaway. It's very global. And I think it's even going to become even more global. And that we have that much content. That's another you have a lot of content. Like you wouldn't think 30 years ago

that you'd have all these different shows, but because we're letting people behind the curtain more, it's like, oh yeah, like we do have a lot of content. We're not just out there in spandex play fighting. No. Yeah. It takes a lot to go behind. It's a lot. All these storylines for years.

I think people really don't realize how hard it is to master this craft and be good at it and what that means to be good at it. What does it mean to be good at it? We get a lot of athletes that are like, oh, we can do this really by after six months. How do you have to be good at it? Explain that.

Wrestling is part of it, but really like the great, the greats, you weren't like, oh man, that move was awesome. It's how they made you feel like Stone Cold. My dad, Undertaker, Triple H, Kurt Angle. It's like the response that they elicited from the audience and how they made you feel. You weren't like, wow, Ric Flair did a great moonsault. The delivery of the moonsault though, how he did it, how he set it up,

the shit talking that he had before. Yeah, it's how he made you feel about the character. Or like Stone Cold, like saying F you to his boss. Every man wants to do that. Every man. It's the story. Every man. It's the total package. Yeah. Yeah, character story. So it's just so much stuff that goes into it.

And being a technically good wrestler or a high flyer adds to that character. But being just a good wrestler doesn't mean it's going to take you to the dance. Or stand out or be remembered as one of the greats. You have to kind of check every box. You have to have the swag. Yeah.

As the young kid. You got to have that r every box. You have to have the swag. Yeah. As the young kid, you gotta have that riz. Or like lack of swag. People have turned that into like being huge under, baby face underdogs. Baby face underdogs. Yeah, like Becky. Yeah.

Huge underdog. That's her story. Yeah, it's her whole, yeah. Now, you said athletes can't just come in. Well, how long does it technically take for an athlete or a person who's training to become a fighter to be actually really technical in the ring? It just depends on how much effort they put into it.

Like I think Rhonda picked it up so quickly because she'd actually been in a fight. So she understood the mechanics, the body movement, like, okay, it really does feel like this when you get punched in the face or your knee kicked out or a submission. And plus she had the acting background, so it was just a perfect storm for her.

Yeah. So. So how long you think it'd take me? No, I think you'd do great your first night. With all that shit talking, you'd be great. You know what, I did go do the Lucho Libres over in Mexico and I learned the one, what's the move I did where I run and I grab them?

Did you have a mask on? Yeah, full. It's back, it's back here. Oh, a head scissor? Right there, I did a head scissor. There you go. We did a head, there's my mask right there. I was called the Laradilla.

Of course, that's awesome. Laradilla was called the, Laradilla. That's awesome. Laradilla, the squirrel. Laradilla. The squirrel. The squirrel. But no, it was fun. I, we, we, we went up. Oh my gosh.

It was a fun, we, dude, we got some really good moves in. Yeah, it was fun. It was one day of training. Dola was slightly better. Quick learner, baby. Yeah, it's just the mannerisms that you put between. Well, Dola kind of gave his body up.

Dola gave his body up. I was like still worrying about having to go up. Your knees, Betty. Yeah, just the mannerisms that you put between. Well, Dola kind of gave his body up. Dola gave his body up. I was still worrying about having to go off. Your knees. Yeah, and ironically, I tore my knee right after. Like a couple months later. Not in that. Not doing this, no. Okay, I was like.

Thank God, doing a pre-season game in Detroit. Freaking Detroit. On that terrible fucking field. Hey, can we get lawsuits here? It's an anti-turf podcast. It's anti-turf. We're a grass podcast. We are a grass podcast.

So you mentioned earlier, you were never really a fan of wrestling growing up. So what were you a fan of? What was a young Ashley a fan of when her dad's Rick Flair? What are you a fan of? When you were a kid. I was just a fan of going to the shows. You were a fan of when her dad's Rick Flair. What are you a fan of? When you were a kid. I was just a fan of going to the shows.

You were a fan of the show? Being like, oh man, that's my dad. Yeah. Like hearing his music would give me butterflies. Where I was like, oh my gosh, sting. Oh. Oh. Oh.

Oh. Yeah. Sharpshooter? Or like, I took Macho Man to show and tell. Oh. In kindergarten. You took Macho Man to Show and Tell in kindergarten. You took Macho Man to Show and Tell? Well, they were in town.

Please explain this. So they were in town. I don't know if it was for a show or promotion. And my dad brought him by Providence Day where I went to elementary school. He was just like walking down in his Zubas. You know those? My dad and him. Like, yeah, but I was so young. Like I just remember like glimpses. Like the

side he walked down in the cafeteria. What were the kids saying? That's Macho Man or any Savage? I don't know if they even knew who he was. We were so young. Man that's not a cool kid if you don't know Macho Man at that age. We literally. You know like six like six years old, you think? Slim Jims for everybody. Oh, you got to. What was he giving out, Slim Jims? No, just there.

He's just there? What did he show? Or was he the thing that you were showing? He's the show. He is the show. He's the show. And then when he walked in. But I did bring my dad's big gold belt

one time for Show and Tell, and that was cool. But like even growing up, I didn't really realize what these things were or like, or what he meant to the industry. My dad. Yeah. Because I just was around it so much. Like.

It becomes normal. Yeah. You don't realize this. Like R. Anderson was my uncle, not real, but it just. Legend. You know, it's kind of like my daughter. She gets, you know, she grew up going to our training camps. We're winning Super Bowls. You know, it's kind of like my daughter. She gets, you know, she grew up going to our training camps. We're winning Super Bowls.

You know, Tom's holding her, Tom Brady, the greatest football player. She has no clue. And she, all she talks about is Taylor Swift and the goddamn Chiefs. That's great. You know? That's great.

There's going to be a time maybe one day though, she's going to, she's going gonna realize that like Ash did here. Man, I still can't get over Macho Man coming to Show and Tell, that is so cool. These two were doing Macho Man impressions once in an episode. It wasn't actually Show and Tell day, he was just like, I have Show and Tell today.

Like here he is. Like, here's Macho Man. Yeah, who was some of your, so you loved Sting as a kid when you were going to dad's show. I don't know, it was just the blonde hair, the face paint. Like, I don't know if he'd be like my, I mean, he's great. I don't know if he'd be like my top 10. But like, as a young girl, I was like, oh, Sting.

He was cutie. Yeah. Now, who is like, was he the one that like, who was the other wrestlers that like you were like, oh my God. I didn't not like wrestling. I just didn't know anything about it Like I didn't tune in every week like middle school. It was like, oh my god Buffy the vampire slayer is gonna be on not like oh man. I can't wait for monday night nitro I mean I was I was a little boy at that time. So I loved

The raw I mean I tuned in but I wasn, I was a little boy at that time, so I loved the raw. I mean, I tuned in, but I just wasn't a diehard fan because it was hard to relate to the women at the time. They're in bikinis, putting whipped cream on. It wasn't there yet. This is what I want to aspire to be. Yeah, they weren't for you, they were for us. Yeah, the eye candy. So, I mean, I looked up to Stacey and Trish and Lita, or Molly Holly, but I wasn't, I

couldn't see myself doing that. When did you see yourself? Or feeling like a diva. Even when I started wrestling, I was like, what am I doing? Why did I do this? But really it was for my little brother to help him get on the right path. Because now my brothers, they wanted to be just like my dad. My little brother and I were almost two years apart and he had a really bad drug addiction.

So I thought if I started doing this, he could get on the right path. And he ended up dying almost a year after I started. And then I just took his dream and turned it into mine. But he was the one that didn't miss a show, a pay-per-view. I mean, he followed my dad around everywhere. Like, he would've been the man. So, my dad never thought I was gonna carry the name.

I did okay. You, so, I say okay is an understatement. You know what they said? They said George Washington didn't want to be the president. Yeah. You know? I mean I don't know my life about it now, but. I don't know how that resonates. No, but it sounded really good.

Well, he was the general. He was the general and he didn't want to be president, but it just landed on him because of. I understand. And that's what I was saying about you I was gonna say that's an incredible origin story and that you're you're doing okay, and then some at like that's so cool It's amazing when you reach these heights to have that like with you too, you know, because I'm talking about with these matches They are kind of somewhat like predetermined, right?

But you're still this moment where your character in you as a athlete, wrestler, get to a place where like, look, you are a champion or you are headlining this thing. And there are like moments where you can take that in and like appreciate it. So it's always nice to have like, and we always ask people who are they thinking about when they reach that pinnacle? Oh my brother. So I don't, I'm going to try to articulate this the right way. My little brother was wrestling and he actually had failed two drug tests to get into WWE. So I mean, he was really struggling.

But I also think he couldn't deal with the pressures of being my dad's son. And I think when he was either wrestling in Japan or on the Indies, I don't think he knew how to internalize what the fans would say about him. Like you're compared to Ric Flair and you're his son. Like I don't know if he could handle that. So when you asked, how do I, or how do I create this persona or how do I be the best bad guy?

I really do sometimes think about all that pressure on my brother and I'm like, like, okay, come on, take on that pressure for him because he couldn't. How do you deal with that pressure of being? I just continue to get better. I feel like I'm protecting him in a way still, even though he's not here,

but like I hate that I couldn't protect him from feeling those insecurities. So I kind of like take them on into building this, like I wish I could be more like my character in my real life. Like I think Charlotte's just so, I don't know, like such a bad, the character is such a bad ass. Not bad ass, but like just a bad bitch.

Yeah. No. Like, yeah, I don't know how to. I get it. That's, I mean, that's some big sister of the year shit right there to I get it. That's I mean That's some big sister of the year shit right there. Honestly. Yeah, that's awesome We'll be right back after this quick break Let's go back into time

Where this match took place is a segment where we go over all pop culture We see what's going around in life this game slash match took place in November 18th, 2018. Number one movie, The Grinch. Number one song, Thank You, Next. Ariana Grande, been hearing a lot of that with an eight year old girl as of late. The movies we had in the cinema were Creed 2, Bohemian Rap City, A Star is Born, really good. Love Bradley Cooper.

David Hockney's Portrait of an Artist, Pool with Two Figures, what is that? Classic painting, just a little art talk on this episode. A little art talk? Yeah, we like art on here, man. Trying to be more refined. Yeah, more refined gentleman over here. Well, let's get back to it. Super Bowl champions were the Pats.

Hey, it's sold for 90 mil, let's get back to it. Super Bowl champions were the Pats. Hey, it's sold for 90 mil, bro. 90.3 mil. Patrick Mahomes, Crimson Tide won the NCAA championship with old ball coach. Roll Tide. Nick Saban. Kyler Murray was a Heisman.

John Gruden returns back to the Raiders after being in the broadcast booth for a decade. The Raiders. What was Charlotte Flair like in 2018? Ash. Lee. I call you Ash. I feel like I like Ash.

So what made Survivor Series so important but impactful was my opponent at the time, Becky Lynch was like super red hot. And Rhonda was the baddest woman on the planet. Like that's what we had labeled her as. And a week before Survivor Series, Becky had her face bashed in and was supposed to be wrestling Rhonda at Survivor Series. And my boss was like, well, Rhonda can't wrestle.

We need the next best thing. Meaning like we had a promoted match. Becky can't wrestle her. Well, who are we going to have wrestle her? Like it has to be just as good, if not better. So I was like, I have to wrestle Rhonda. But the reason like you see me being like, I have to wrestle Ronda? But the reason, like you see me being like, I have to wrestle Ronda is because for almost a year,

the rumor on the street was Charlotte Flair versus Ronda Rousey for WrestleMania. So if I was going into wrestle her at Survivor Series on a one-on-one, are we not getting the WrestleMania? Are we not getting the WrestleMania match? I mean. So I was like, oh my God, one, this match isn't promoted.

Two, they wanted to see Becky versus Ronda. Three, well, what's my future? And I got to LA a week early and just thought to myself like whatever goes down that night people have to want to see Charlotte Flair versus Ronda again. Or what's going to make it that memorable. Plus like at that time Becky was hot but Ronda was untouchable. Like untouchable. That's why this I think this is such a, when we get into the match, this is such a huge match because she was the biggest UFC, the biggest thing for UFC.

And then she finally, like she blew up UFC in the women's department, and then she got knocked out or whatever, and then she came to WDM- We would have not main evented WrestleMania had it not been for Ronda, hands down. When she wanted to join what we had already started to build, but her star power, her credibility, her outside influence, the audience that she brought, kudos to her, man.

I know that someone said in her book that she couldn't wrestle, but at the end of the day, it really didn't matter. She was Rhonda, and she didn't need to. She had such an aura to her, and really did figure it out, and brought that much to the table. So I thank her for what she did for us. Because she didn't have to come wrestle.

She'd already done it all. And it was real. So she just added that legitimacy to what we were trying to do that we didn't have and she caught on. Like, this Survivor Series match, I don't think because it wasn't, you know, part of that overall big picture at the end of Mania and the two belts being one but like dude I just thought she picked it up so fast without having like any wrestling background or school like she just knew how to react and if you watch it she had like so much star power yeah and when you watch the match it looked different well yeah because we were beating the shit out of each other not even that and she was

using she was using all the UFC arm bar shit oh yeah and that was over and Well, yeah, because we were beating the shit out of each other. Not even that. No, and she took it. She was using all the UFC arm bar shit. Oh, yeah, and that was over. And incorporating it. That never really been seen to me at least. Well, it had been seen, but not believable. Not believable. Not believable.

And that is what's most important in our business. You can do all these moves. You can do all, I mean, sure, I know how to do a submission, but do I know how to break your arm? No, but she does. Yeah. That's what made her special. And that's what made that match so impactful

is because you were like, well, is Ronda going to break her arm? I don't like, that just made all the difference. What's her biggest strength? What is hers? That she's been in a fight before. She's been in a fight before. Yeah. She said that.

Jack, break down Ronda a little for us. Yeah, Ronda. So we talked about it coming in from the UFC, dubbed the baddest woman on the planet, aka Rowdy Ronda. Kind of had that Rowdy Roddy Piper persona going on. And then we had Flair's. This was like a legacy start fight too. I was going to say, I like what it harkens back to. She debuted in January at the Royal Rumble with Alexis Bliss, Charlotte, Asuka, I always miss rounds that, signed the WWE contract in February, won the Women's Raw

Championship and like Charlotte was saying just shot up the ranks and- She was untouchable at that point. Like it was only having like three minute matches. Besides the tag match that she debuted on Mania alongside Kurt Angle versus Steph McMahon and Triple H. Is there ever kind of a moment you as someone who's been doing this for a career that when someone kind of comes in and just skyrockets a little bit of like, like not resentment, a little bit of just like, oh, I wish I could have that or is it just good for the whole picture?

Being naturally competitive, yes, because I'm like, I want it all. I want it all. But in order to grow, you have to have someone here. So for me, when I was across the ring, across the ring from Rhonda, or when I look back and look at Survivor Series big picture, Rhonda, I felt like was the only one at that time that could really do this with my character

or do this with me as a superstar because I didn't think she was as good of a wrestler as me, but it is so much more than that. And she had that aura, that star power. So I felt like as much as, well, yeah, like you need better, you need competition to grow or to get better. And I thought she did that for me that night.

As much as I helped her through the match and talked to her and knew her strengths and weaknesses and watched all of her matches prior to that going, okay, I know she does this well, I know she does this well, she doesn't do this well, but she knows her submissions. So if we get lost, she can do this. Like I really thought out every part of that match to make us both look amazing.

But she was also doing this for me that night too, which is why I made it to Mania. Iron sharpens iron. Now take us through that. Do you scout your opponents? Are you doing that a lot? I really did her because she didn't have that. She was new.

I did her. So like this is, and it was such a big match. It was a big match. Where you wanted to make it look good. Well, no, but I was like, I have to be in the main event of WrestleMania. Like if this match doesn't go well and it's a dud and no one gives it, like no one cares.

This was what I was meant to do. I kept saying I'm going to main event mania, I'm going to main event mania and then like what, because someone gets hurt I have to be the replacement? Like no, no one's taking my spot. And that's what I kept thinking. How much is the pressure to kind of push your storyline on you or coming more like top down? Well the aftermath of What what happened with the kendo stick and beating her up and beating up the referees it was so chaotic so unhinged So believable, but how could they not continue that right? I don't think anyone had seen two women up until that point

I mean she took a beating. Yeah. That was coming from you or is that like, or you took it to an extra level? Oh no, I didn't get to be like, hey, I would like to beat up the whole referee staff, even though I think the fans think I have that power. I believed it. I mean, I'll take it. But no, they needed to put steam behind it. but like that was on me to create the moments and the visuals and what I saw Charlotte feeling like during that moment, like you're, Rhonda Rousey is gonna beat me.

No, I think I'm the baddest woman on the planet. Like even in the beginning, there was such an intensity that I had to build myself up to to make, cause in my mind, I'm thinking Charlotte believes that she's more superior than Rhonda Rousey, to make, because in my mind, I'm thinking Charlotte believes that she's more superior than Ronda Rousey, even though Ronda Rousey comes from this, well, she has an Olympic medal, right?

Yeah, in Judo. In Judo, so like, I'm thinking, oh, I can be an Olympic Judo person too, or Olympian. So you had this opportunity and then, but you brought the execution, you brought the intensity, you brought the performance. I had the and then but you brought the execution you brought the opportunity but I brought the execution the intensity the momentum I know how to feel the crowd I mean they were chanting we want Becky to thank you Charlotte by the end of it. Wow talk about a turn in the crowd man. I'm in the palm of your hand. Hell yeah. But that's credit to Rhonda too. For sure. I'm not saying like, it's both of us. No.

Both characters. It takes two to tango. Takes two to tango. It takes two. Well said brother. Now let's jump into Charlotte Flair. Oh yeah, let's go baby. Build from the Queen City baby. Okay so how about this match right here?

They were chanting like, they did not want this match and by the end of it, they were chanting, like, they did not want this match. And by the end of it, they were chanting, this is awesome. Hell yeah. And I flipped them. Sorry, I saw that and I was like, oh yeah, I had to flip off the fans that night. They weren't paying it. This is awesome. I sound really, yeah, they were just chanting the wrong thing.

So I flipped them off and then they were chanting, this is awesome. And I was like, you're welcome. It's nice to get that. I just showed that. Take a little roller coaster. You got it. Yeah, that was actually the first match back after COVID that we had fans.

It was in Texas too. But Charlotte was, I mean, this was 2018 was a killer year for you. Of course, build from the Queen City We got a show 704 a little love around here Queen Charlotte aka the Queen of WWE, you know, the signature moves the figure eight the natural selection the Queen's boot Beat notably in 2018 back in April beat Ashka at that was WrestleMania 34 down in New Orleans She had that crazy undefeated streak like 914 days or whatever.

That was huge. The rivalry with Becky was going on around this time was heating up. You had the last woman standing match where she beat Charlotte. Then there was the DQ at the Super Showdown. And then I mean, the accolades I could give flowers for hours here, give me a job at FTD, took the women's division to new heights, went undefeated on 16 pay-per-view matches, one of the first women to headline a pay-per-view main event,

more titles than any other women superstar, first female superstar to headline a Raw, SmackDown, and pay-per-view event, I believe, if my notes are correct here, and of course, a little foreshadowing, first women, the main event, WrestleMania 35, Ronda, Becky, we did that match with Becky Lynch, so we'll talk about that a little bit later,

but just a little bit of the flowers. Gotta give the flowers here. Now, was this your first time using the name Flair? So funny he said the Oscar match. I wasn't allowed to use the name Flair? So funny. He said the Oscar match. I wasn't allowed to use the name Flair or use my last name. Uh, until after the match with Oscar at WrestleMania 34. I showed up at TV the next night and my boss at the time was like,

you can use the last name Flair now. I was like, did you have to earn it? I guess I had to earn it. You had to earn the flair? That's crazy. I had to earn it. That's what your dad did for you? Well, when I first started, I wasn't allowed to chop.

I wasn't allowed to woo. I wasn't like, but I'm like, you named me Charlotte. I think they thought it was a joke, because my dad was billed from Charlotte, North Carolina. So this kid, we'll just name her Charlotte. It turned out though. It turned out awesome, but I can't believe that you didn't get to be able to use your own last name. Well, I think it's the pressure,

like just being overshadowed by the last name. So when you, when they finally said that to you, you said, all right, now it's my fucking time. Yeah. Is that when you're like, this is my fucking time now? I might have said that since 32. That's what you thought. That's what I thought.

That's what you thought. But when they did that, did that validate it? I was like, oh yeah, bring on the hate. But I'd already, like I'd had so many incredible moments up until that, except the Oscar match was just really good, super impactful. She had that undefeated streak. It was the first female singles match on a pay-per-view

since Trish Stratus and Mickey James. And that had been about 10 or 11 years. So it just like, it all worked out. You're at the prime right here. You're getting to like the top of the pinnacle, especially being a pioneer for women in this specific sport. And it goes to, you know, foreshadow goes to you guys doing the three-way match in WrestleMania

But like this is kind of you know the start because you needed like you said you needed the star power of Rhonda You needed you because you know how to do your shit and you're you and then you needed Becky because she's also got her She's got her different dynamic, but this is crazy. Now, can you describe your wrestling style to us? We were trying to go over it earlier. I was like, how do you describe her? Insanely athletic, of course. Yeah. I think it's my adaptability.

How do I think that adaptability? Is that the right adaptability to any size? Like I can work big or small. Like if someone's smaller, I can work big or small. Like if someone's smaller, I can work down to their size or if someone's bigger. Like I'm actually pretty tall compared to most of the girls. I only think there's one other girl taller, but I can just change my style.

Versatility. Versatility. Yeah. I would, I think, or just being super aggressive. It showed in this match. It showed for sure. Yeah. What pro athlete from another sport are you most like? Oh, that's a tough question. Cause Tom Brady's beloved, isn't he?

No, depends on when he met the Indy 500. He booed his ass. He gets the boo birds. Yeah. Yeah. Not in MetLife either. It's like a thing. I'll say Tom. I like that.

I like that. I like that. My first thought was Mayweather, because he was coming up with my dad, but no, Tom. Tom all day. Mayweather too, though. That was a... I'll say Tom. I like it too.

Pretty good ones. Jackie Jake and take us into the match. As we said, we we touched on a little bit of this earlier, but Rhonda was really climbing the ranks like pretty much owning the raw division. She had the belt from Nikki Bella earlier. They also had a little clash backstage, her and Becky and then we're setting up that fight. But of course, as we know, Becky got the bloody nose, couldn't fight when the SmackDown Raw,

there was the invasion, some dirty hits, all that stuff. Becky ends up with the broken nose and gives us that iconic image of her standing there in the tunnel with the blood all over her face. So Charlotte ends up being chosen as the replacement for this fight for Becky. So that kind of sets us up on the stage here. And we're really building that three way rivalry of Becky, Rhonda, and Charlotte is kind of the triumvirate trio of the big dogs in the women's division. So at this point, I know you're not fighting Becky, but what's your relationship with Becky at this time?

We're cordial. We're cordial. No, we're good. Cordial. I still think there is some story left there. So. There's a little meat on that bone. They say that.

I like that. There's more meat. I don't think there's a nail in the coffin yet What's the greatest match the next the next one, baby? I like that Yes, I our Survivor Series match was actually Really incredible. It's so hard to pick. It just wasn't as different as the Rhonda and I won like impactful But Becky and I have had a lot of great matches, but our Survivor Series match was pretty incredible too.

Which was like three years ago? That was one of the ones you sent over, right? We were digging into. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was an epic one as well. Yeah, I sent that one too. I liked that one. And the Evolution one, but the Survivor Series one,

there was just some, I don't know, there was just, when you want to be the best, it's hard, like you got to just. You gotta beat the best. You gotta. Now, when you found out, you kind of talked about it a little earlier. When you found out you were getting this match,

give us your thought process, beat for beat. You're pissed off because they didn't promote it, but give us, what were you thinking when you found, before you even fought this match, when you found out you got this match? Well, who said the word replacement? Was that me? That might have been me. That even made me like, oh, my bad, my bad.

No, no, no, but like even, that's what I was. I was the replacement and I was like, I'm sorry. Oh, I'm not a, no, but that's, I had to replace Becky in this match and I was just like, well, what happens after that? Like I had beaten Oscar at WrestleMania. They bring Rhonda in and word on the street was Charlotte Flair

versus Rhonda Rousey, WrestleMania. Not saying that it was going to be the main event, but I was just like, huh? This is not how this is supposed to go. And I was also coming off of losing at Evolution, the DQ in Australia. Which pay-per-view was that with Becky? Let me double check. So I was like, man, I just can't catch a break.

And I just kept thinking to myself, like, this is not where this is gonna end. And had that match not gone as well as it did and have Rhonda laying there in defeat or the two like bulls, it just was a perfect, it was like a perfect storm. I just wasn't gonna let it happen. I was like, no one's taking my spot.

I was just going through my head. Now, this match aside, like what's the process like when like a match is getting developed from like, how much time do you have? Okay, it's you versus ex wrestler. Like do you guys are, are you game planning about what you want to do? Are you talking or are you just training?

Like how much time before the actual match happens and finding out and how does it go to develop, you know, the storylines and some of the, you know, the craft of it all? So I went to LA early to meet with Rhonda because up until that point everything that she had done was very hands-on and the producers always worked with her on her matches so I went there with a game plan with the match I didn't know about the aftermath meaning like

the referees the beatdown down, the DQ. Because even in my mind, I was like, even if I lose, I'm still only losing to the baddest woman on the planet. Like it's not the end of my career, but if people had already seen that match, you can't build that to WrestleMania unless it just left you like, oh, I've got to want more, I've got to see more.

But each match is different. Each opponent is different. Like, Becky and I, if you put us in a room, we could put a match together in 30 minutes and it'd be a WrestleMania-worthy match. Yeah. Like, we just have that kind of- Chemistry.

Chemistry, rapport, the story, we think alike with how we view matches, and that makes it easier. At this point in Rhonda's career, she probably didn't have that creativity yet. Oh, that's a good point. You know what I mean? For you, that's why you probably went early because you were putting the brain power into it. I went early because I wanted to put my hands on her.

I wanted to see how she moved. And again, when you have an opponent that knew you wanna work to their strengths. So even the beginning of that match, I would not naturally throw a high kick or look like I'm throwing a punch. I don't grapple like that, but I knew that's what would translate to her.

So in wrestling, you lock up, but in her sport, you don't. So I was like, okay, how can I make this more her style, but still make it a professional wrestling match? Yeah. And that's what it felt like when you watched it. I was like, this looks like, like you don't, I didn't, I kept on saying you don't see a lot of this before this. But if you really break down that match

besides the after match, it's pretty basic. It wasn't like... Maybe because like you said, I believe more of Rhonda doing all these arm things. Yeah, you don't believe her like phony wrestling. And that's what I wanted to bring to the table. Okay, like even if I lose an arm tonight, like it's gonna be worth it.

I'm making it to like. It felt like there were a couple of shots that wasn't happening. All I just kept saying like, okay, this was really funny, little funny story. I was like, well, she can't be that fast. Wait, so when I asked her to throw her jabs at me, and like, I don't know what I was thinking.

I was like, oh no, I'll be able to apply. Oh, absolutely not. Oh my God. Some of those look so real. Breathe in, suck in, cover and just take it. Like, I don't know what I was thinking, but she didn't really, she was holding back, but in practice I was like, hey, just give me one of those, whatever you do.

Oh no, I was like, oh, this is why she's an Olympian and I'm a pro wrestler. No, like I knew what she could do, but it was just incredible to see her in action. Go free. Is it common for you to do like, I don't know if you call them rehearsals or sparring matches ahead of time of a big match or just because it was Ronda Rousey, she's a little bit more in experience?

Well, I just wanted to see how I would react. I almost said the word sell. I almost wanted... I wanted to see how I would react to that because you don't see many girls... With the movement. Yeah. Because it's so different from what you're used to getting some reps in.

So different. Like I've never thrown a high kick in my life. Like I was just so like, but I felt like I really went into that match going, like she might call herself the baddest woman on the planet, but like I am the baddest woman in professional wrestling and no one's telling me otherwise. That's right. And I have to bring that to that.

So. You left that match thinking that. I left that match thinking that. For sure. 100%. And I am someone who definitely like holds things in. So if I do have a bad match, I kind of let it fester. And instead of letting it fester to the point

that it doesn't ruin the next but I take all of the bad from that one and make sure that never happens again Like really a student of the game. I'm not saying it does every time but I Learned so much from this and others you try to change it. Did you play like competitive sports growing up? Yeah, which would you play like competitive sports growing up? Yeah. What did you play? Well, I started out in gymnastics and then my parents made me choose between, well, when I got to middle school,

my parents wanted me to like play middle school sports, track, volleyball and basketball, but I couldn't keep up the hours of gymnastics. So I played all three of those, but then I fell in love with All-Star Cheerleading. But I had to give that up for volleyball and then played volleyball at App State for two years. And then made some terrible choices and went to NC State. But I wanted to be a big fish in a little pond, played there for two years. It was fun. But wrestling to me was like what I've been the best at overall.

So Rhonda once told me, she was like, you really do look at wrestling like it's your Olympics. And I was like, I know, because it means that much to me. Yeah. So. Do you have any like pre-match routines or pre-match superstitions that you do all the time? Lacing my boots.

How do you lace them? Well, they just take forever because they're like the old school boots. Yeah. And I'm not willing to part with them. So that's like, it takes like 25 minutes. 25 minutes. My assistant the other day was like,

can you just buy some boots that have zippers? Like this is taking forever. Yeah. Like he'll help try to, I'm like, no, you can't help me lace. I have to lace them. No one can lace my boots. And so it's a ritual. Yeah.

It's a ritual. Yeah. And what are you thinking about when you're doing it? Like my boots are so important to me that instead of buying new boots, when I came back, I had all my old boots bedazzled. So they looked a little different. Cause I'm so superstitious with them. I don't know. I mean, we all have something.

Yeah. You got left foot first or right foot first? Left foot. Left foot first. Just because right is my dominant. So I feel like left needs to be the tightest. Jackie break down the fight. Man, this fight, epic fight.

My words will not do it justice But from the rip it was evident this was about to be Insanely physical insanely chaotic back and forth we open up with a big elbow We're trading submissions and then an early moment that really set this thing off was Rhonda into the lower turnbuckle face first Charlotte throwing her down. It was like, all right, we're in for a crazy one right now. Back in four. Whenever you guys hit the stairs and shit. Oh, the stairs gets me every time.

And like you hit the, when you get out of the ring and you hit the wall. Yeah. Like that's what hurts me. That's gotta hurt you. I mean, usually you're like, man, I hit my pinky. Like it's just like odd. But you know how to fall.

You know how to fall. You know how to, like what part of your back you got to hit and stuff. Yeah. Sorry for cutting you off, Jack. Bro, jump in, win over anybody. I still get the wind knocked out of me sometimes or like really hit, but I don't know.

You just have to, like, you're also in front of like they're 30,000. Adrenaline's pumping. Yeah, your adrenaline's going. It's like the day later, you're like, ugh. The worst. Ugh. What's the cardio you have to put in for a match?

So wrestling and cardio's different. That's right, it's a unique kind of cardio, I feel like. This is what I tell the newcomers, you probably blow yourself up more than the match blows you, like blows you up. Because you're talking, you're breathing, you're fighting, you're screaming, you're yelling. But if you can just like stay in the moment

and not let the adrenaline, like an adrenaline dump, crash you, you'll be okay. I've like not, maybe I get it from my dad. That's been like my strongest part of my game is that I never get winded. But I also like do conditioning drills in the ring like once or twice a week. But I don't know.

I think I'm just comfortable out there. So when you're not comfortable and you're nervous and you're screaming, like you blow yourself up just by like breathing hard. Yeah. I don't know. You're just wasting energy. Yeah, wasting energy.

I would do like a, cause we used to do like metabolics and it's a type of conditioning where you'd run like two minute drill and I'd run like 10 routes in a row. So you're pooped with no rest time. I would do something like that in the ring. And then during my rest time, I'd get a microphone

and I'd just start having a talk. So like you could, you'd train yourself to talk while you're tired. Do you have to do that? I don't know when I'm out there. It's just like something when my music hits and I'm like in the zone in the zone. I mean, I've been more tired and you know, it's funny. I feel like I get more tired in like the really short matches than the really long matches because you're like, man, I got to get everything in in four minutes.

It's crazy, which never turns out well, but I don't know. Yeah. Screaming at the fans does blow you up though. Got it. There was definitely some trash talking this one. Rhonda was screaming. This was a 20-ish minute match. So I mean way long for Rhonda at this time.

Wouldn't you say? Like really like, like three times as long as anything. One of her longest. I was going to say, I thought so. I thought she did so well in our, I quit match too. That one doesn't get that. Like I hated our of her longest. I was going to say I thought so. I thought she did so well in our I Quit match too. That one doesn't get, that like, I hated our Mania match. The thing like, she liked it.

I hated it. Your intro was sick though, with the helicopter. No, that's 35. Oh 35, oh you mean. I ended up wrestling her in a singles a couple of years later at Mania. I know what you mean, okay. But our I Quit match, but yeah, I don't know. She just she just took a beating of a lifetime here now

When did you in this match? When did that fuck it meter just go? Before I even walked out before T-shirt so you knew not go with my gear The fucking meter was already out the window. I was like, I'm a replacement. What is this? So you just, you went in knowing you were going to basher with that bamboo thingy.

Well, I just went in there going like, I had to believe all the hype. Like I had to, I don't know. I just got to where like, if I could make it through the feud with my best friend, I could make it through anything. So this was just like, if I could make it through the feud with my best friend, I could make it through anything. So this was just like, no, I know you're the new shiny toy, but I'll be the toy forever.

I get it. Now what made you choose? I'll be the queen forever. Yeah, in fact. What made the queen choose the bamboo thingy? And why didn't, is that our favorite prop of all time? Oh, I don't have a favorite prop. That's just what they allowed me to use that night.

Kendo's underrated. It's an underrated. Oh, it doesn't, it does not feel good. No, that's in like, No. That's in like a blood sport and shit when they're like hitting them. Dude, anytime I get hit, I just keep thinking of that night

where I'm like, oh man, I really still owe her. Like, oh, this is not still owe her. Like, oh this is not good. Like really, I owe her my paycheck that year. And real creative use of the chair in this match. Oh my goodness, put her neck into it. Made her a chair head. Put her right up. I actually started to put it on her the wrong way at first.

And they were like, no, no, you really are going to kill her. You got to put it on this way. Thank God I had the refs out there. Oh my God god they had every ref in the day and clumped in the company out there well what's your favorite moment of this event oh probably well i guess it's a two part um i loved when i pushed her and she landed on her butt, no one had seen Rhonda vulnerable like that before. And that was like kind of on the fly. Like I didn't say, hey, I'm gonna shove you this hard. I just shoved her that hard.

So it was so like organic and real, but then I loved that part. And then with the referees, I just loved like, these are my friends and I'm gonna spear them and hit them and I don't have to like lay off. And then when I pushed the one little ref through the ropes. That was epic. Like I was trying not to laugh.

I was like, what? That was a great sell. Thanks for making me look good. Like there was every ref in the company had to be out there. It was insane. Now that was, when you pushed her, that was your rocky Russian moment where he bleeds. This is my ring. You caught him. Rock, you caught him. Yes. Oh,

that's a good, yeah. We had an elbow earlier. They drew blood too in this one. So I mean, there was blood in the ring. Oh yeah. I was like, Oh man, sorry about that. And then a big spear in the middle. It was man. Yeah. Action packed from the ring. Oh yeah, I was like, oh man, sorry about that. And then a big spear in the middle. It was man, action packed from the jack crap. That was real, that was just a unlucky. Shot. Yeah. Now after a match like this is like,

hey, I'm sorry I pushed into this. Oh, I'm sorry I caught you here. I'm sorry. Or is it like killed you with the bamboo thing for 15 minutes. No, like you go. Hit the showers, that was a good sell there. You go in apologizing. Hey, I'm sorry. I'm going to. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's unspoken.

It's unspoken. Yeah. Part of doing business. But it's also probably you guys, like, if you get a great reaction from the crowd, you guys probably get back in the back. Like we fucking killed it. Heck yes. Well, she, she told a friend of mine or it was also a talent she was like well I just know if I'm gonna stiff Charlotte. She's gonna stiff me back Like meaning like if you hit too hard, but I think that's any You just have that rapport with certain people or like you hit your friends harder like Becky and I can go out there and yeah do it like Best friends I can hit you harder.

You do business as business is being done. There it is. Yeah. It's kind of like when we would evaluate the referees for that week's game. The very like first 15 minutes of the game, you can always see how the refs are going to call it. Are they going to call it tight?

Are they going to let us play? You do business as business is being done. Yes. And you just hope that they go consistently through the match. Probably like your opponent. Yes. Except you can't put those reps through the ropes. That's a very good... Gronk tried to put that fucking rep through a rope once.

Gronk did a leg drop once in a football game. He did a people's elbow too. That's what he did. He did a people's elbow. Wait, he was in Buffalo. That's what he did, he did a people's elbow. Wait, he was in a WrestleMania match during COVID. Yes. Rob, so he, I think pre before that, we were playing the Bills and they were holding him every play.

He got so mad. This guy intercepted a ball and fell down and Gronk went and people's elbowed him. Like it was fucking wrestling. He got suspended for two games or something because he like really turned areas white. He was a big guy. Yeah, it was crazy.

Robbie G. We love you, brother. I've met him once, I think. Oh, you got to. You love him. He's our guy. We'll be right back after this quick break. I got one real quick technical question. So so much a part of like a big magic.

This is just like selling it and being entertainment value. Something we're filmmakers or something that I think gets lost in sauce a little bit is the collaboration between the cameras. Everything is there. Is that something that's like rehearsed or practice or those camera guys just know the beats and know the stuff like how does that collaboration come together? That's also another element to what we do. If you can figure that out or listen to the guys

that are behind the camera trying to tell you, hey, we need this shot or this shot, or if you're out there and what's consciously thinking about that, that also tells a better story for the audience so they can connect you more if you're constantly, if your face is constantly on TV. This match, during the match,

didn't have as many bullet points that we needed. Like I knew I was gonna do the back flip off outside or the back corner. I knew I was gonna do the back flip off outside or the back corner. I knew I was gonna do, she was gonna do the shots up ramp side, but at the end where the referees were, where the chair was gonna be, how I was gonna hit natural selection with her head into the chair, like all those things were extremely specific. Okay. Yeah, like it didn't look specific out there,

like that's our job, but no, that was all, like I needed her to come up and that organically be right there, but we'd already placed it there. So that's all going through my head as I was doing, like walking around the ring, moving things. So you're not only cognizant of what you have to physically do, but what the audience is seeing.

Yes, we have like a camera guy. So there's two posts. Yeah. Up front. Yeah. Camera guy there, a camera guy there, hard cam, and then one guy down the ramp. And you know what each guy does. You can play to that.

And that like sets the people apart who's really good at that. Like Randy Orton is one of the best. Like one of the best. Wow. His face is always on that camera at the right time. Building character, telling story. Yeah. And real quick, you mentioned you have like stage direction for for like, oh, this is back corner. That's rampside.

Like, what are those terms? We say baby face corner, heel corner. Oh. But that's like the good guys are always here. The bad guys are always here. Yeah. Baby face, heel corner. a baby face heel corner. I live in heel corner. It's all right. It's great.

You need a strong side. Wait, we talked a little bit about the pre-match routine, but like after a crazy match like this, once you said, sorry, do you have a post-match routine that you always do like a go-to like go to drink protein shake protein shake beer beer the um glass of wine i like that a truly something a little something easy edge something to keep something to come down on i was gonna say how do you come down off all that adrenaline it's got gotta be popping like a normal smackdown. No, that's true or raw. I mean sometimes sure That's just like night pull up to the Marriott be like, oh they have truly. Okay. I'll grab a truly

Yeah, you gotta unwind truly's hit diffy at the Marriott I love that yeah, I like that always bro I'm like, oh do they have a mini Prosecco? I'll take the Truly. What flavor Truly? I don't think it matters. Doesn't matter. They all taste the same. They all. Yeah.

What's the aftermath? Should we put a bow on this bad boy? Put a bow on her. Ronda wins via DQ. Raw ended up sweeping Smackdown that night. 6-0 on the night. Charlotte would be fine. 100K I believe, from the commission then went on the next week.

Yeah. Is that real? Is that your story? Yeah, that's real. Monopoly bucks baby, same thing. Charge it to the game. Charge it, hey, hey. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

Worth every penny. They call that payroll deduct. Amen. And she said, as Charlotte said, I'm just sticking up for my SmackDown crew here. Like, that's why I did it, come, man. That's why I did it. Everything's got a reason. If I asked them to give me 10k each, I think it'd be a little questionable.

But hey, we didn't tell you to do that. Ticking up for SmackDown, that's what it was all about. Team spirit. Amen. And then the biggest thing that this set up, of course, was WrestleMania 35, an epic showdown. We covered that match on the show with Becky Lynch, go check it out if you haven't. It was a history making first all female main event in WrestleMania history and then fast forward to December 30th, 2022.

Charlotte beat Ronda Rousey for the SmackDown belt, another epic match. The saga continues. And the saga continues. And hopefully we get to see more of the saga in the near future. Cause we're getting little tidbits here. But let's name the game and score the game. These are some of the names that we came up with.

If you have a specific name that you have in your brain, you can bring that one in too. Anything you can do, I can do better. Can do. Little play on words. That's funny. The queen gets rowdy, match. The can do stick, match. There will be blood, match.

DQ'd queen, match. Or something else. Or something else. Oh, I love the anything you can do. I can do better. Baby, I can do better. Now I'm going to use that the next time I get to use a kind of stick. She's here. I'm definitely going to use that. The nut heads will be going nuts. Yes. I'm standing on a t-shirt now. Let's score the game. Is this the greatest game of all time? Let's score it.

Ashley, stakes, zero to 10, decimals OK. The stakes of this specific match in 2018 between you and Ronda Rousey, the stakes, decimals OK. Oh, 10. 10. I'm going 9.2. I had a 7.3. I had 2.1. I'm a noted stakes hater. Russian judge. Russian judge. Let's go to the star power of this match. Zero to ten decimals. Okay. I think my whole thing's gonna be tens. Hey, that's why I score so we can keep it in there.

That's right, baby. The Mark Cuban scoring system. Star power 10. Honestly, if you think about it, legacy wise, this is a huge star power. You have Ronda Rousey, who was the biggest, like this was entourage days, right, following all that. She was huge. Cover of Sports Illustrated. And And you got Charlotte who comes from royalty of The wrestling world. I mean, this is this is a 9-2 again 9-1 9-1 9-1. Okay, and there's probably a hell of people It's just if it was a WrestleMania then then you get the other star power there to the people in the building the whole jazz Jackie I had a point seven eight point point seven I had a seven point five the game play or the match play of this fight zero to ten decimals okay the back-and-forthness some would say the meltdown no stick

beat down stuff the cell of the match zero Zero to 10 decimals of K. Eight, five. Eight, five. I'm gonna go with a seven, nine. I had an 8.0. I had an 8.1. I like the physicality of this. Yeah, I like poppin' off.

Tackling refs, four refs on, like that's fun. It's just the girls don't get to do it often. They don't. You'll see more of that. And lastly, we grade the name of the match, which is the anything you can do, I can do better. I'm gonna have to change my score on this one. Zero to 10 decimals is okay.

Seven, nine. Seven, okay. Seven, nine. Seven, nine. Seven, nine. I'm going with the seven flat. Seven flat. At a seven, two. So we're in the same ballpark. I'm bumping mine up to a seven, two.

I like that. I love a good pun. Love it. And then what is it match up in our matches of all time? Calculating. It's 7.73. Now where does that go into all the fight and score matches? So that puts us, it's our new 50th game overall,

just ahead of Super Bowl XXI Giants versus Broncos, and just below Elway versus Montana, 1994 Week 7 Chiefs versus Broncos. What Super Bowl is that? Oh, I'll take it. Who do we do that with? 21, that was Phil Simms. Yeah.

We're going to Disney World Games. Yes. We're going to Disney World Games. Good spot. We gave a 7-2 on that. And then you're also a part of another match we did. Where is that one? We also have the...

Becky 2 Bells, 22. 22. There you go. 8-4. 8-4. 8-4, WrestleMania 35. Yeah. Oh, the ending. It's all about the...

The story. The king. It's all about the story. It's all about the character. But the story. The story. The story was insane. The story was insane. This was great. Ashley, did we miss anything from this match? No.

Is there anything you want to plug? Yeah, SummerSlam, MetLife, August 2nd, 3rd. I haven't been there since WrestleMania 35, I don't think. But now SummerSlam is two nights, biggest party of the year. Biggest party of the year. Biggest party of the year. Are you excited? And two nights, first time.

Are we getting some action? I hope so. We're bringing the chopper back out? I gotta get my throne back. We gotta get the throne back. Get the chopper back going, baby. We gotta get the throne back. Gotta bring my chopper back.

Heck yes. We need to take it out of the garage. You got it. Everyone go check out SummerSlam at MetLife August 2 and 3. And check out Ashley on her Instagram, CharlotteWWE on IG. And you got TikTok? Snapchat? You got it all?

I'm like, what is my TikTok handle? We'll put it in the link. We'll put it in the link. We will put it in the link. Maybe use my Twitter. I use Twitter more than TikTok. And her Twitter, which is the same? Miss Charlotte, WWE. Miss Charlotte.

MS. MS. WWE on Twitter. Thank you so much for coming on. Thanks for having me. Man, she's awesome. She was great. Legend. Love wrestlers.

Gotta get more wrestlers in here. I love when we get wrestlers in here. Gives you a whole other perspective. Yeah. Maybe our first North Carolinian in here too. I love that. First North Carolinian. Reppin'.

First North Carolinian. Love that. I always like wrestling because it's this intersection between entertainment and athletics. And it's like this cool balance where they're definitely fucking athletes, but they're also telling a story. It's too real to me, damn it.

What do you mean they're telling a story? Okay. Fucking loser. Real to me. God, I need to chill out, so you know what it is. It's time for the chill zone. Yeah, why don't you choose chill for once? Brought to you by Coors Light.

Get Coors Light delivered straight to your door. Visit CoorsLight.com and celebrate responsibly. Let's hit the old hotline again. That number is 424-291-2290. Let's get into it. Hey, Jules. I just want you to know this is Stacey from Texas and that you were talking the other day on Dudes on Dudes about Madden.

And I believe you are the Madden for this generation. You have explained football in such a way and let us see behind the scenes and behind the curtain. And I think you have a do an excellent job of explaining everything. And you certainly have made a fan of me since I saw you on New Heights. So thank you, Jules, and have a wonderful weekend.

Stacey from Tech. Shout out Stacey. Holy moly. You gotta watch John Moore, Stacey. That is high praise. That is high praise. You gotta watch John Moore, Stacey. That is high praise. That is high praise. You gotta watch Moore, John, bad, okay? Don't put me in the same sentence.

That is such a, those are some beautiful kind words. I love that we got someone from Texas from doing New Heights. That's called cross-paholination. That's right, baby. Cross-paholination right there, right? That's right, baby. That's people helping people.

That's why you do all those media appearances. That's why you lift all them weights. That's why we talk about all them weights. Thank you, Stacey. For a little bit of advice, you do do a great job of like taking high concept type of stuff and kind of pulling back the curtain on like real football for a layman. And doing it in an entertaining and personable and Real way that appeals to even the most casual fan. Well, we have good people that know how to Ask and write the right questions To get that out of me. So it's a team effort. Let's keep it going. I like this question

We're all disciples of Madden. So we're all disciples of man. Hey guys, this is Eric in Madden. So we're all disciples of Madden. Hey guys, this is Eric in Yucaypa, California. I was just calling because Jules, I read your book, Relentless, years ago, thought it was amazing. Just kind of curious if you have any plans to write another book, maybe more personal stuff, life after football, you know, just the years since, you know, more stuff about like your own personal thoughts and everything. Of course course football stories. We all love that But anyway, I know you've written some children's books, but just curious you have more books For adults that you have planned to come up. All right, man. So I look forward to it Can't wait to read it later Eric from where?

Yucca Yucca, Yucca, that's a sick name. That's probably up north. That feels like Sierra Nevadas. Where is that? That's a very thoughtful question. Really good one. I gotta see where this guy lives. It's in the San Bernardino County, 10 miles east of San Bernardino. Oh, so we're close to here. San Bernardino, I believe, was where the first McDonald was. Yeah, this is near... Where am I tripping?

This is near Oakland. You ever go to Oakland? They have like a little like fall vibe in this one, like apple orchards. And they're like, oh, if you want New England and California, go to Oakland. Where's that? It's not. You were correct, Jules. First McDonald's.

San Bernardino, California, 1398 Northeast Street. Come on, man. And then Ray Crack came in there and messed it all up with his milkshake machines. I haven't thought about writing another book at all. There's been some whispers with people behind the scenes, but it's never gotten real. Tales from the Nuthouse.

Yeah, but I don't know. I got to live some more life. I'm still in the grinding stage of my next career. Tim Tebow has like three autobiographies. Yeah, but Tebow is like, he's probably got three fascinating stories. Jules hadn't even circumcised one kid, bro. Yeah, dude.

What's he got to talk about? Jesus. Those are rookie numbers. That's a rookie number. Only been like five brisks. This guy's been circumcised. Fucking- Is a brisk like a brisk that's fast?

It's like a fast one. A brisk brisk. Let's keep this brisk tight. I love how a soft keeps me on layaway or keeps me on high alert for the brisk Yeah, we've got a bridge company did brisk coming out like bro. We're shooting on that day I just gonna you live in Boca. Okay. Yeah, yeah, like you're in law over at La Cienega There is a brisk on our her brisk stand by

Great question Eric, but no thought yet This is Lauren from Texas. My question is for Julian. How does finding an agent work? Do they find you? Do you go and look for them? Do they get paid when you get paid? Who do you know to trust? So that's my question. I like the podcast. It's really good informative and positive. Thank you Lauren from texas. How do you get your agent? Well, i'll give you my experience I was coming out of kent state so I didn't I I didn't have a lot of agents pursuing me

But my coach doug martin was represented By Ian Dubin sports at the time they do a lot of coaches to right, huh? You and do been to have a lot of yeah, they have they have coaches and I I Met with a few other agents and they were all I mean you could tell there were some swindly dudes like some dude from Pittsburgh. I'm talking East West swindly. So a little different, you know, like some Uncle Buck vibes.

Wait, what's East West swindly? Midwest. Midwest. Midwest. Did I say East West? Yeah. Gotcha. I thought you were talking about the shrine bowlers. I was thinking about the shrine, damn. We were like, it's just swindly business.

And then, you know my my coach put a word into my to Ian Dubin or something and Don called me and Basically gave his pitch and they flew me out to LA and so that's how I signed with them So if you're a high talented guy out of college, there's there's guys coming at you all day And back in the day before the guys were getting paid the agents which my agents were like like regular type dudes like low-key agents and that's kind of how I liked it you know I didn't want the flashy this kind of there's agents that you know back in my day they would give guys a

bunch of money so like they could get their car or whatever while they're training. It was basically a loan that they had to pay back once they got their money from their signing bonus, which I didn't do that, but that's what I've heard used to be done. And then like the agent would pay for the living, they would pay for the training,

which for three months That's 50 60 grand you know so that you get a loan from your your agent and and if Or it you know they could do there's some guys that'll eat that cost because if they have a first-round guy They're gonna make you know millions of dollars So like I don't know how they pitch it to certain guys but there was there was deals within deals on how you got your agents back in the day now it's changed completely nowadays because these guys are getting agents pitched at them out of high school you

know yeah you know because there's agencies that represent athletes that have divisions that represent NIL so now now, they'll send over their NIL department, get these kids younger, and then feed them into their, the big system of who they are. You got the Rosen House, you got the other big one, the CA, there's five or six big ones, and then you got these mom and pop shop agents. I wouldn't put my agency in that because they got

some big, I mean my agents. Boutique. Boutique, yes. They didn't have a boatload of guys and they had a certain amount of different types of guys, you know, so. That's how you get agents, I guess, when you're a pro. Get connected. You know, they start coming to practices. Now, what else is an agent providing for you

besides just like the standard contract negotiations? So on field, they're doing all the, like the negotiation talks between the club and you. Okay. So the GM or whoever handles the personnel on the team, they'll call your agent anytime, or if you want to have something said, you could have your agent call and do that.

So there's a good buffer system. Okay. For business. Mostly business, nothing on the field, none of that kind of stuff. It's mostly just like. Now off the field field your agent also Can get you it like in commercials?

They can get marketing stuff shoe deals but also You know, there's different agencies for different type things. So like When I was playing I had my football agent with Josie and Dubin They handled everything on the field and they would get me stuff off the field, but I had multiple people getting me stuff off the field at that time. I had like a fashion agent person that was like when I was doing stuff with Joe's jeans and my cottage

and doing all this fashion-y type stuff or appearance type fee or designing something Like I had an agent for that so then they would get a cut of whatever they brought me from there And then I had you know a TV agent which was a different agent than my e and doom agent which was a different agent than The fashion agent you know so there's there's multiple different agents which I like to do it like that You know there's there's multiple different agents which I like to do it like that, you know, there's they are hungry Yeah, there are people there are house like you can go to companies that have one that does it all soup to nuts Yeah, the big boys. Yeah did like you even put you in touch with the fashion and the entertainment people

Or do you kind of do that on your own little bit of both? Okay, you know they would look for my interests and they would put me like that. I think they got me. Yeah Got me into a fashion week or something. You know what I mean? I made friends there and You know, that's it's just a lot of networking and then you find and then you know, yeah, so Multiple different agents for these athletes and especially now you have social media managers Yeah, I had a whole different department that was doing that. There was multiple different so-called agents. It's not just one guy.

Now, for your main contract agents, they're taking what, 3% off of gross or after-tax? How do they actually get paid so your your agent on the field the standard is? Usually 3% of what you get your your on the field Contract okay now there are guys that negotiate that down that get huge deals Yeah, you know I mean they they can negotiate I'll sign with you give me one if you do it for 1%. Or now you're even seeing guys do it on their own. Yeah. A la Lamar Jackson. Yep. Now if they get you something that's not associated with

the team, like that's off the field, not your contract for playing with the team. A Tostitos commercial. A Tostitos commercial. And they usually would take like 10% of what it would be. Okay, so they would get 3% of what you're on field, what you're getting through the team, for playing for the team, and then they get 10% of anything they brought you. Off the field. Off the field. And that's usually 10 to 15, 20 range. There's that, that, that range and that, that comes from to 15, 20 range.

There's that range and that comes from a lot of different people. 10, it's usually 10. But you get up into those model worlds and stuff. Because you know, you dip over and you've done some stuff for that market. Those agents, they take like 50% from like, it's crazy. So like there's a whole, each industry's a little different.

Sure. And I'm sure the size of each contract matters on the size of each, what? Sure. That agreements between, you know what I mean? And with like the entertainment business, there's the managers, there's agents, there's even lawyers sometimes take's agents. There's even lawyers. Yeah, yeah

So your agents are usually are a one-stop shop. So you don't have to do like in Hollywood. Yeah, it's all there It's all in one. Yeah, your your sport agent handles the team. So like you don't have Like in Hollywood, they're the lawyers that are doing the legal legality work. They're also doing the negotiation They you know, so like there's it sports. It's a little different than Hollywood Do you know anything and I know that you don't probably not experience it from your career But it's always fascinating to me that like teams Let's say a player is requesting a trader wants to get moved that like teams let an agent of a player seek out deals do you know anything about their hurry I've never

been in that yeah I thought that was peculiar interesting that a front office would like well I mean an agent go look for some deals and speak on their behalf they have guys on every team so you know they have relationships and that's what the that's the value of having an agent Is the relationship that they have with teams if he has a guy on that team You know and he does good business with that guy, you know, then the team is gonna be more lean You know what I mean? Yeah, and it's just that that's that that was the whole thing when we were talking about Lamar's Negotiation like there was no relationship between each side and each side, which is, you know, that it's, it's just new.

That's why it was looked at differently. Yeah, it got done. But he also used a lawyer. He did it more of like a Hollywood contract. You'd get your own deal and then your lawyer like irons it all. So that's what he kind of did. He did it. So like in Hollywood, right? You get your aid your agent gets a fee your manager gets a fee and then then there's a lawyer that tightens everything up

Yeah, and gets you know what I mean. Yeah, I think he kind of handled it like that without the others He just you know did the deal which you know Looking back if I knew what I knew now sick Frank on him I wouldn't think Frank on him but I would you know I would know how to do a deal yeah and I would just have a lawyer tighten it up yeah and and go over you know and and the legality talk and you know I mean all you have to have is your lawyer you know it like you know now but like and maybe Lamar does now through that experience which you know that could be huge going

forward for him in his life like that could be major he's a pioneer you know I think everyone's crazy with the first time they do shit hey man trailblazer sounds like man he's crazy what's 3% of that's a lot of money for yeah but it's also you know it's a convenience cost. Sure. And like, you know what I mean? You're paying that cost to let them do their work so you can keep your mind on football. Because we're, you know, at heart, you're paying the people to give you the convenience

so you can work on your craft. You know what I mean? paying the people to give you the convenience so you can work on your craft. You know what I mean? That's why I always had a team of, and of people when I was playing, like, let them worry about everything, have someone find someone you can trust, really go over that. And then, you know, so you can keep the main thing, the main thing, because everything grows if you do well on the field. No matter what. Like I was talking to young guys at the Patriots practice.

And I was thinking about it, I was like, whatever your goal is as a professional athlete, like when you're on this team, the process is all, whatever it is, the process is still the same Whether it's to be the best player Whether it's to be the best teammate whether it's to make the most money whether it's to be the most famous I like all those whatever your goal is

To get to the best of that you have to do the same shit So you might as well do the shit. Yeah and realize that those all grow when you do the the shit I Don't know if that is if you are Performing on the field will trickle down to all this everything which ultimately comes down to that practice That's why that practice means so much That's why that practice

means so much Because you know what I mean you put so much time and effort in to get your body as explosive as it possibly can now you have These certain amount of reps that you have before you go into pads every rep is freaking important You know like you said it starts with keeping the main thing the main thing so many of these guys like You want to get over their skis and do media and social media and well you're always you know I mean like to lay that foundation Right, but like before you've done any you know I mean like before you've done it But you also can tell like what guys goals are through You know what they are You were selling your t-shirts back when you were playing like you could have put the best design on the planet out

And if you get hurt or if you don't perform well, or if you don't win a Super Bowl, it doesn't matter. Or if you can put out the whatever design after Super Bowl, it's just how it goes. When the main thing's the main thing, the other stuff follows. And then you just got to worry about the head coach of New England coming up to you in the lunchroom and cornering you, trying to negotiate deals right then and there.

1,000%. You call like Dubin right after that. Hell yeah, I ratted his ass out. in the lunchroom in corner and you're trying to negotiate deals right then and there. One thousand percent. You call like Dubin right after that? Hell yeah, I ratted his ass out. He said, you know, we don't need to have the agents involved here, you know. And he didn't even use the scooper for the drill mix. He goes like this. Bill goes like this. He goes, look, like you say something to your agent. I say something to Casario.

They say something like there's so many fucking people. We could just do this ourself. Literally you say something to your agent. He says something to Casario. Casario says something to me. He's like, that's what he's laying out. I'm like, nice try buddy. I was like, coach, I just let my agent do this.

I'm dumb football player. I played stupid with, well, he knows. He knows everything about me. That old New England football coach. Fucking guy. Yeah, we don't talk about him. We'll bleep that name. We'll bleep that name.

Until he comes in this mother fucker, until he's... until he's right here on this goddamn couch we're bleeping his name. Fact. Yeah. That's a fact. He's like Voldemort. We shook on it. We'll be right back after this quick break.

Yeah, Jules. I just listened to the last voicemail episode of Games with Names. This has been a fear of mine growing up and I'm all the way across the country. You guys living on the San Andreas fault line that doesn't scare you at all. That's just a question. It scares me. So I don't, I don't know. Good episode.

Peace. Are we about to come in geology podcast, you know living on the San Andreas fault lines has its His scares, but it also has its pluses The scares are at any moment The cement from right under you could just crack into half Any moment but because of that when I'm driving down the 280, I see beautiful mountains. I see beautiful elevation. I see that I see topography that these eyeballs can't

freaking see anywhere other than here. It's nuts. And I drive this state a lot because I go up to the Bay Area. I go up to Yosemite area. I go to the lakes. I drive the freaking Tahoe. I'll drive the freaking Mammoth. I go to the lakes. I drive the freaking Tahoe. I'll drive the freaking mammoth I'll drive the Palm Springs. We're a fucking family trip kind of guy. Yeah, baby. I put at least six to eight five hour plus Driving sessions in a year right up that fault line. So we hit that fault line a lot

It's it's it's scary But like anything like when you live in florida Everyone's terrible, you know, you you know how to prepare for a hurricane even though you don't you can't But like when we were kids You know, we had the earthquake drills and shit you get under the table you find a a door frame You know you bring your little we all had to bring our little uh packs where you got your blanket and shit like we all in the I remember we used to have to pack those like week one and they were all like the canned stuff

like canned peaches. Canned beans and shit. And like, But not beans. And stuff and like all that beef jerky. And like on the last day of school, you got to take it home and You just come go and eat it all Eat your in your earthquake pack me. Yeah, it's it's cool at the San Andreas fault I was just in Joshua tree and I wanted to like look out keys point in Joshua tree

You see the big valley at the Coachella Valley. You just see the San Andreas fault to splits the whole thing It's so cool. It will like the 280 in Northern California you could like watch right down in it like Crystal Springs reservoir is like we was that on the way to Half Moon Bay Yeah, yeah, that was beautiful. Yeah, it's just because of that fault line you get this crazy Beauty yeah You know and if it ever really goes then we just live on an island there it is is there water under us I don't know remember the Dwayne Johnson film from 2015 San Andreas. Yeah 110 million dollar budget made 474 pretty well, that's up in made 470. Yeah, man. That's in 2015 dollars

That's what movies were making money. That's right. Shout out Dwayne That's a good one. More geology questions, that's fine. We are a geology podcast now, geez. I remember taking an earth dynamics class at Kent State and just learning about like, or in like all these kids are like from the Midwest and we were talking about like the San Andreas fault line

and liquefaction and stuff. I was like, yeah, dude, we build them on rockers, rollers and stuff. You don't gotta yeah, dude, we build them on rockers, rollers and stuff. You don't gotta worry about that. No big deal. You know, we don't have sandy ass areas out there. You look like Ted Talk. You're a little Ted Talk, Earth Dynamics 100.

Earth Dynamics. How many times you go to that class? I went to that class a lot. What's a lot? 50%? At least 65. I don't think I've ever asked you this, but did you take any fashion classes at Kent State?

I didn't. Because the program is so good. I didn't even know about it yet. Oh, okay, yeah. I feel that. It's on a different part of campus. It's on a different part of campus. I always love that fun fact about Kent. So I met a kid on the beach here in LA. Oh yes. You can tell me about this. Yes. He just came up to you randomly right? Randomly yeah. He went to Kent State. He's like, oh yeah. What the hell are you doing? You went to Kent State.

What are you doing out here? What are you in fashion or something? He's like, yeah. I'm in fashion. I was like, what? He's like, I work with like old American Americana vibes like you, Levi and shit. I gotta put you in touch with my home girl who works at Levi. Trying to help out a little Flash, you know, get his kickstart. That King State mafia, baby, the network.

He's like 23, fresh out of college. Man, yeah, number one fashion design school in the Midwest. Should we audit a remote Kent State class this summer? I'm down. Do a remote. We're lifelong learners. Let's do it. Jack, let's take a look at what the online Kent State

situation is. One of my business class, we had a really cool business teacher at Kent, Business 100. And one of the professors was a guy who was clearly a venture capitalist that went to Kent State that made a boatload of money that was like coming back just for like a, like a, oh help out my university.

And I remember him talking in 2006 about streaming. Wow. He's like, yeah, pretty soon, this is when DVDs were just getting hot. You know what I mean? Yeah. And he was already got to DVDs and Blu ray and stuff. He goes. Ten years, you're not even going to need anything. You're just going to order everything right from your TV.

I'm like, no fucking way, dude. And that man's name was Ted Sorrento's cheese. Who's this guy? That's crazy. Who's this guy? Talk about crazy. Who's this guy? Talk about being ahead of your time. Precious man. What was that? 2005, 2006?

When did we start doing that? That's wild. I mean, five years later? Streaming. There's a geographic information science graduate program online for Kent State. Let me see. I don't know how many think fashion wise. Well, let's take a fashion one.

I don't know if there's an online fashion course and Netflix officially launched streaming in January of oh seven We should take a fashion waiters take a fashion class at Kent State. I'm so down like an Americano Old-school cowboy fucking if anyone's still listening to this. Thank you Hey Kent State hit us up hit us up. We're gonna Wales hit us up. We want to take a fashion class. We're going to audit it online. And then whoever has the best grade wins something. My president left. My lady. Oh dang.

Beverly Warren. Shout out Bev. Did she hand you your degree? She handed me. Bev worked with me to get me my degree. I love that. What do you mean Sam? or diploma? Gee, Hannah me. Oh, Bev. Bev worked with me to get me my degree. I love that. What do you mean, Sam?

No. Basically, I had to sit and talk to professors and explain my businesses. You're like, when Steven Spielberg got his PhD, was it PhD? He got his PhD from, or doctorate from USC Film School, and then he needed to like send an example of his work and he like just like well here's Schindler's list Is that good enough for you USC and they're like yeah, okay here you go

It's like you here's je11 Some cold doctor. Did I get my PhD? You start calling me doctor edels. I think Ken State's not that oh, yeah Would you be the kind of guy that if you got an honorary doctorate you would make people call you doctor? You got to speak at a Kent State graduation. I'm with you. I'm not there yet We got to start writing my speech for the Patriots Hall of Fame. Oh true I think I'm not right it but just put like names and tell stories. I like that and then You can say check out the rest on games with names

No, want more remember to like and subscribe I can subscribe you got 12 minutes oh wow that's a long time it's not really talking in front of a stadium that's the height some people have gone five okay I feel like this not the stadium not in front of the same this is at the Patriots Hall at halftime you get like you get like four minutes or five minutes all right audience send if you're still listening, send voicemails of what you all should say, of ideas. Oh that's fun.

Some things that you want to hear from him for his speech. Let's see what the Nuthouse comes up with. I like taking the mic off the podium, kind of pacing back and forth, turn that thing into a roast. Yeah, sir, doing the coach's twirl with the fucking wire. Just a roast. Yeah, so.

Yeah. Oh, so. Jesus. Nah, that's probably not the way to go. Just want to say, I baked Tedeskis, Dunkin' Donuts. Raytheon. Gillette Corporation. That's what Tom did. I think Tom's speech was sponsored by Raytheon. That's insane.

Tom gave a good speech. He actually was ready to vote for him. Whatever he was going to run for, I was going to vote for him. I know, man. It's scary. I gave a good speech. Who actually was ready to vote for him? Whatever he was going to run for, I was going to vote for him. I know, man. It's scary. I got to follow that. We do it because it's hard.

Oh, so good. Anyway, let's go. That's crazy. Y'all remember. I didn't even remember that. Let's go home. Man, well, just got to chill from that, and that's the Chill Zone. Thanks to our favorite beer, Coors Light.

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