Games with Names - Alshon Jeffery on Almost Becoming a Patriot, His 249 Yard Game, and Super bowl Memories

Episode Date: August 11, 2026

Alshon Jeffery is in studio! The Super Bowl winning wide receiver is with us to relive his record setting performance against the Minnesota Vikings from Week 13 of the 2013 season. We're also chopping it up about the Eagles, Bears, playing at South Carolina, and a whole lot more.  (00:00) We kick things off. (02:32) Alshon joins us on the couch. (42:30) We go back to 2013. (49:12) We break down both teams. (1:10:32) We dive into the game. (1:14:49) We score it. Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Apple Podcast. or wherever you get your podcast. December 1st, 2013, the Hubert H. Humphrey, Metro Dome, Minneapolis, Minnesota. It was a star studded, NNNMC. North Raville. But Alshan Jeffrey was looking to rewrite

the Chicago record books. This is week 13, 2013, Bears versus Viking. Welcome to Games with Names. I'm Julian. That's Jack. And we're on a mission to finding the greatest game of all time. And on today's episode, we have a very special, awesome guest.

We have Super Bowl champion, wide receiver, Al-Shan Jeffrey. And if you haven't already, drop a like and a subscribe to Games with Names. Let's go! Games with Names is a production of I-Heart Radio. Welcome to Games with Names. we are looking at week 13 of the 2013 season, Vikings versus the Bears, in an NFC North freaking rivalry

that I'm excited to get into with the one and only man who owns the record for single game receiving yards set in this game, Alshan Jeffries. Jeffrey, geez, I just got so excited. It made me all, because you're bringing me back into a timeline. But in one centenow, Sean, what do I call you?

What do the boys call you? AJ. There's two AJs from fucking South Carolina. There's so many goddamn ball and ass AJs from South Carolina. But in one sentence, AJ, why this game? I had a good week of practice. Be Marshall, like I said, he was our leader of the offense as a receiver.

And that week, he had tweaked his ham screen in practice. But we're in pregame warmups. my coach comes up to me. He's like, be prepared for 15 to 20 balls. I'm like, oh, word? You know, that's the receiver's dream. That's a dream. Man, is this the greatest game of all time?

It's up there. It's up to, hey, everyone has their special game. And with games with names, we're on the mission to finding the greatest game of all time. Can't wait to break into this game and see where it stacks up. But first off, we want to know, what have you been up to since you retired?

What's going on right now? I just run chilling, relaxing. Down in San Diego, you saw hanging out with my kids for the summer. Been a lot of time with my family. It's beautiful place. It's beautiful down there. Why are we in San Diego?

We got ties there? No, I love it there, man. It's just peaceful. It is. It's just relaxing. I'm going on the hike, running on the beach, and the people just... I got a great community of friends out there, so...

You golfing? I'm not golfing too much. No? I like to watch and just talk trash. Washington, talk trash. Washington, talk trash. You got to have a cart guy. You got to have a good cart guy who's in the cart driving, having the tune,

setting the vibes, getting the beers, getting whatever we're doing, getting it right. And I can tell you, probably one of the good ones at that. What, uh, are you a Mexican food, like, fan? Because, like, San Diego is killer for Mexican food. I've been to a few places, I would say, I think it's more, a lot of people like to go visit their taco or goardo. You ever have that? No.

You got to try. I got to try it. Downtown San Diego. See, you know, I'm a Norcao cat, so I grew up in the bay. And then now I live in L.A. And like the Mexican food in each little area has got its own little twist and stuff. They got the California burritos down in San Diego out here in, like, L.A. I feel like there's hard-shelled tacos everywhere.

And then where I'm from, they have like mission-style burritos with like rice, bean, sour cream, pico, and all that. So I'm just a huge Mexican food fan. And when I was in Boston, I was like, man. When you get like on the right side of the east of Mississippi, you're not getting any good Mexic. If you're leaving California, you're not getting any good Mexican. I take. I think it's pretty valid. It's valid.

Or just it's a taste thing. But how much ball are you watching these days? I watch a few games here and now. I'm up to speed with a lot of it. Like I like what you guys are doing these days. Like Drake, you know, he's a Carolina boy. Shout out. Shout out to the Carolina.

even though he went to North Carolina, but he's Carolina, boy. Carolina's, you know, it's, is it, is you guys, you guys, because you're from Carolina. Mm-hmm. So you, I mean, if you're from North Cal or is it North Carolina, North, North, North,

Jack's from North Carolina. Yeah, yeah. I'm a Charlotte guy. I'm a Charlotte guy. We're Carolina guys. Yeah, I got. So you guys all like, like, like each other? Yeah, yeah.

I feel like once you're from the Carolinas, we together. I feel, I feel it. Yeah. Well, you from the northwest of him. So you, you like Drake? Yeah. A big fan of him. Yeah.

Who else you? liking these days. Obviously, you know, I like Jailing. You know, that's my quarterback. Oh, yeah. I feel like besides the top guys, Broncos quarterback, he's really spinning it these days. He's playing with Bo Nix.

He's a big fan of Bo Bo. Yeah. What about receivers? But I feel like you got Justin Jefferson, Jamar, Smitty, AJ. It's so many receivers. There's some ballers. Like, I'm, God.

You know, don't get mad at me once you see this. But it's a lot of receivers these days that they all are great making plays and up and coming Green Bay got it. I feel like they whole comedian receivers was awesome. Well, they lost two. They lost Knicks or Wicks and Dobbs. Dobbs went to the Pats. Wicks went to Philly.

But like they still got three dudes that are ballers. There are a lot of great receivers right now. Like when we came in, it was almost like it was harder to transition. What do you think, why do you think guys are transitioning so damn quick now? Because, I mean, you came in, you're like the beginning of that. Your second year, you go and fucking set the franchise record for goddamn receiving yards. I feel like he's breaking his own record. He broke his own record.

I felt like it's the office, too, though. Like, when I watch the game now, I'm sure you got, you, I'm asking you, I feel like it's easier now. If we play receiver these in the game these days, I don't know what it is. But I feel like the schemes and the system they set up for the receivers, like, you could catch 10 balls a game. I feel like, like, depending on what your offense is like, but how you scheming it up and spreading the field and the spacing on the field, I feel like it's guys a limit for you. Or, you know, like, JSN, you know, you hit him with the play action.

This guy gets like four play action, 35 plus catches a game because they play the game a different way. I do think the game, you know, it always caters to the offense. And it just so happened. It's transferring, it's transforming even more with like how they call pass and how they call, you know, holding at the line of scrimmage or, you know, illegal touching down field, all the like little rules. They're just, I mean, I guess it does make it a little easier.

But I also think all these guys, they, they've had information so much more at accessible to their fingertips as young cats more than I did. Like I heard of the folklore of how Jerry Rice trained. These little jokers can go on right now and they can watch Alesson Jeffries go out there and train because we all put it up there and you can see and you get these gym rats

that learn how to do all this release stuff that I used to do instinctively now they got it on the tool belt because they practice it a million times To your plan what is you saying about J.S. I forgot about him too. J.S.N. is a monster. He's a monster.

There's so many good receivers right now. And I feel like every team either got a good two or three or number three receiver as well. So who are you going to dictate your defense to it. Who are you going to prepare for? And like you say, the guys,

they're getting a lot of noise. Like, Jason, I think I seen a video with him of Malachi Tony down there in Miami training all the young cats, like giving them free insight. So it's going to keep transforming. It's going to get better. It always gets better.

Just like the old cast back in the day when we were coming up. They, ah, you know. Nah, the games are all better. Even if they're dictated these games with the penalties. So me being a big receiver, you're a smaller receiver, not a whole, I would say top five, but who's some of the guys that you

looked up to that's smaller position like Steve Smith, I would say Marvin Harrison, those type of receivers that who you looked up to? I used to love Steve Smith. I loved his tenacity. I loved how he played the game. I loved what he did with the ball in his hands after he caught the ball. Steve Smith was five, I mean, I know Steve personally, we've golfed a couple times. And, you know, he's not a big dude.

and he used to run up on that sideline and out jump dudes and he could play 50-50 balls. Steve Smith should be in the Hall of Fame. He's a monster. I loved him. I got to go back to the godfather, Steve Largent. You know, we got to take it way back. White guy balling outside the numbers,

making a whole lot of catches. I used to love him. I got to play with another guy that I loved, West Welker. You know, when I got to the league, I wasn't a quarterback. Or I wasn't a receiver. I was a quarterback. So I got to learn how to run routes and watch Wes Welker, who was a technician at running routes. Like if you sit down and watch Wes, like all his film, this guy, he was an unreal route runner,

how he set guys up, how he made all his stems look the same. So, I mean, Corbett, he was his toughness over the middle. Dwight Clark, he wasn't a small receiver, but he was a white receiver. I liked him because he was also part of the catch. a Niners fan. Jerry Rice wasn't a big, I mean, he wasn't a huge receiver, but his work ethic. And, you know, I always loved and I heard, because I was from the Bay and you'd hear how he trained and what he did, caught the bricks, ran the hill, did this. So I used to love watching them all. But for me, I would, I play with Randy. So he's like the ultimate big guy. And I could like learn from

him on how he was with his late hands when he was stacking the, the defender. And he would run and all of a sudden out of the, like, last second, Randy would just go boop and put them hands out because you would learn that the d-bees come through and they try to play through your hands if you show them early. So I tried to take my game, like even with you and how you, I mean, how you used your body. You know, you were unreal. You had such great body control and you caught everything. So like, I wasn't just a guy that looked at little receivers. I looked at all receivers and I tried to see what I could steal from every. one. So how was it with just being around with Randy and Wells, just learning and picking their

brain? You know what? It was a different time. You know, like, it was unbelievable. And just being and watching them work, that was enough for me. But it wasn't like, you know, how it is so buddy, buddy these days where, you know, like, hey, dude, like, let me help you out in this and that. It was kind of like, you know, West knew I was coming in to try to take rocks. I don't think Randy gave a about anything about other dudes coming in doing anything because Randy was Randy. But, you know, there is always a little bit of that big brother, like little brother thing. You know what I mean? But watching them and how they prepared and how they took care of their body and how they, you know, West would practice certain routes because he knew those were his go-toes that he had

to get every time. You know, it just was, it was unbelievable for me. Who were some of the guys that you liked learning from? you know, as a younger player. Same as you. I feel like I took a lot of everybody game, but I watched Jerry, Moss, who you play with, like Calvin game. I'm from South Carolina.

So AJ Green was always a big fan of his. Like, he was one of the best, I think, if not the best receiver from South Carolina. You guys got so many. AJ Green, yes, man. There's three AJs that are all studs. Insighted. Marvin Harrison.

Unreal. Love Marvin. His release game. Steve Smith Steve Smitty Like Because I used to ask Tim Jennings About the cornerback

I used to ask him He played for the coach I'm like how was it with Marvin now He's like in practice He like Marvin never dropped the ball He said Marvin never wore gloves That's what he said He said he was a true professional

But he said He never picked off Marvin When they played one-on-ones Or anything He said he was just true professional And he was always crisp On him route Crisp

And it's unreal Because he's not a big guy He's really smaller than me. Because I was 200 pounds. I wasn't like a, I was short. But I, you know what I mean? Like Marvin Harrison, I think was probably like 180 pounds at like 5-8, 5-9. I got the chance to be the one I came to Philly because he was from Philly.

Yeah. I'm like, I couldn't really. I'm like, oh shit, that's. I love your gang. Like, you was one of the best, if not the best for a little guy. Because I always like the competitive nature. I'm a big fan of yours as well. Like this competing.

Yeah. Like, it don't matter that I'm 6-4, 6-3. Like, play football, let's play. We all got a superpower. Let's play. There's some kind of superpower that everyone has. Quickness, power, height, hands. There's someone, it just depends on how, you know,

because when you're at that level, when you're in the league, everyone's got a superpower. And you know, when you're rolling, you're rolling, especially with the chemistry, with the quarterback, you and Tom. Not bringing it up to Atlanta, but the 28 to 3 game, the chemistry, like anything, like I feel like any big game you was in, well, all the games, I feel like y'all was in, but the big games, you definitely showed up.

And showed up, like, no matter what. Like, I feel like the defense noise coming, but are you going to stop it or not? Like, we locked down, we focus. We don't put in all these ows. We prepare for this. Like, no matter what you throw at this, I know you can depend on me, and I'm going to make the catcher of this play. 1,000 percent.

And that's, you know, you got to be on a great football team. You know how that is. You know, that's the standard. You know, when you guys were in Philly and you go out and win a Super Bowl and you get Philadelphia, their first Super Bowl, like against us. I mean, you guys, you got, like, you understand how this shit works, you know, not, you got to have every single guy on that page. That's why this is the ultimate team sport, because we all got to,

we can't go out and do our job unless the linemen go out and do their job if there's time. You know what I mean? The quarterback needs time, you know, the running back needs to, you know, keep us going and good forward down in distance and take care of the football. football. Everyone's got their part. We almost became teammates before. I know. I want to hear about this. Let me hear about this. Let's hear about you almost becoming a Patriot because I heard folk.

I didn't know if it was true or not. Yeah. Year. What happened? Why did it happen? Why did it not happen? Well, my agent had called me and he was like, the Patriots want to sign you. They want to offer you like almost up to $20 million for one year. So I'm like, all right, bet. Let's do it. Then I signed Stefan. Who was my side of the Stefan get one? My teammate is my side of him.

South Carolina. And I don't know what happened with the conversation, but they called back and they was like, yeah, I think we want to, they offer me something super low. I don't say the number, but it was super low then from 20 to that number. And I'm like,

nah, I don't think that's going to happen. It's not going to work out. So that's how the situation went. So when we played y'all and then we went to Super Bowl, then Mr. Kraft, I've seen him up with, with Michael Rubin,

who was at like some party, a little party that we had in Philly or whatever. and he was talking to him he was like, oh Sean, I told Bill we should have signed you. That's how it went. I'm like, yeah, I definitely was going to sign because remember, we practiced the year before. Yes, when I was on the Bears.

And I'm like, oh, shit, like, now I see how they, while they went in, like, the way y'all ran, practice, how everything was, it was a different level. No knock against my team. Yeah. Yeah. But I feel like it was just different levels just seeing how y'all appeared and just been watching. Like, I'm like, oh, shit.

Like, all right, the Patriot way is really really like that. Like, I can see myself, like, I won't mind them. Like, Chicago, they said I wasn't coming back there. Then I'm like, the 19th hour Philly call. I'm like, oh, it was between Philly and the Patriots. I'm going to go to Philly.

Yeah, old Howie came in, snaked it. Got you, I mean, we probably would have got another, we would have got another maybe two. You guys in one offense? Oh, my God, with Tom? Just because when we didn't win, it was because A, we ran out of bodies or B,

like the last, you know, Gronk retired, we didn't have any red area target so then you could just plug the middle of the field. We didn't have anyone who went outside. We did. It was just harder. You know what I mean? And if you were, I mean, it would have been insane. How do you think AJ's going to do over there?

I think it's going to be awesome. With this year, three for Drake? Year three. Yep, year three loading. Second year with Josh McDaniels is OC. that's what always you got to see how many years it is with the same coach for me with the quarterback

because then they can start you know I talk about it's like when you're becoming a quarterback you gotta learn how to speak a new language right and so the first year you're sitting there you learn the language but you know the second year is when you learn the slang

how do we how do I swear how do I go fucking holler at someone you know what I mean you don't know how to do that like you know what I mean we got to learn it all all the shit. And that's where your personality comes in. You know what I mean? So I'm excited for them too. I think they'll grow together like, like you say, Josh and with Vero, I feel like the,

and with you guys, I'm sure you'll be back and forth. They're just being around the guys and letting them understand this Patriot way as well. So I feel like the skies is limit for them. Like, who knows? Who knows? Who knows? You know, could be back there again. So. Yeah. Let's talk about your old squad. What about these Chicago Bears? I'm loving it. I'm loving what I'm saying with Ben Johnson where Caleb is doing. And they bring a lot of excitement back to Chicago.

I did a few podcasts last year and I forgot the name of the show. But a few guys, I was saying they was giving, I'm not talking about, I feel like they was giving a stronger opinion that it was a little tense a little bit for Caleb and the fan base

and you hearing the outside noise. But I just told him just give him some time. Yeah. Because I feel like he still hasn't reached his potential. Like, still hasn't. Year four or five. he's really going to take off, but being in the offense with Ben,

like it's going to be crazy. Like, look what they, they surprised, I would say, did they surprise a lot of people? But no, I feel like if you was in there, like,

you know what was going on, what they was building. I was hearing a lot of great stuff about them before, just kept quiet that. And I've seen what Ben do is with all his quarterback. Look at this track record. Yeah.

Look what he was doing in Detroit. 1,000%. I mean, Jared Goff turned into, you know, look, Jared Goff had McVane. It was really good. But then you go to, you know, Ben Johnson, he didn't really skip a beat.

You know, they have their best few years in, in franchise history. That whole AFC North, or that whole NFC North is, is rocking right now. It is. Even the quiet Vikings right now with Kyler Murray. I mean, you got KOC, Jack. Don't sleep on him. KOC and Kyler, Kyler got Jefferson, and he got Addison, and he got Hawkinson in there.

Not bad. Yo, he ain't never play with those guys like that. You know, I mean, he played with, you know, a little Marvin. That's about it. But, you know, that was young Marvin. That's not like this, these guys are prime. He's got your prime. Crazy.

It's exciting over there in the NFC North, though. They're making a lot of noise. They're making noise because now you got, you got pissed off, you know, Detroit. You know, Detroit's going to sit there. Like, everyone forgot about Detroit. They're still, they still got a team, you know. The Bears go out and win. it so they're going to be playing a harder schedule.

They're not going to be able to catch anyone slipping or sleeping. They're not flying under any radars anymore. And then you got the goddamn Green Bay Packers that have like, they've been a young team for the last eight years. And they're still a young team. And they, I feel like they, like I said, the receivers, they hold offense, defense, like. Golden needs to step up.

This is a big year for Golden because they got rid of two guys, two very productive players in that system. You bring in Golden who he was a rookie last year and there's a lot of hands to feed over there. You know, so, but you need him to step up this year. They're relying on him to step up because they got, what, who's Christian? They got Christian Watson.

Watson Reed speed guy. Yeah. Reed's really good. Yeah, I was surprised that they let the, Dobbs. Yeah, I was surprised. Yeah. That's like they had one, if not one of the, like, as a whole unit.

Like, even if somebody go down, you know how his next man up. They still was performing and kept rolling. They kept rolling. What do you think about what he wears on his helmet, like that extra shell? At first, when I first seen, I'm like, you know what? I look at it like, keep being you. That's what make you great. So, hey, keep making plays.

Whoever created the thing on your helmet, shout out to them because he's balling in it. We'll be right back after this quick break. Get Bell Pure Fiber Internet with Crave, Netflix, and Disney Plus from $94 a month. Price guaranteed for two years on Internet with a two-year term and auto pay credit. Visit bell.ca for details and to check availability. Bell, connection is everything. Hey, Portlandia fans. Carrie Brownstein and Fred Armisen here.

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I thought you're all going to write a song. I remember you thinking that. Listen to Podlandia. Ayo rewatch on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I envy it. I wish I didn't think, I wish I could have wore something like that and didn't think I looked like a goober. You know what I mean?

You don't even care. I'm with you. Or I wish I didn't act like a tough guy and like probably would, we'll feel way better when I'm 60 years old and I'll be able to think. You know what I mean? I wish I had that. Yeah, but the Instagram on field picks don't look as sick. Bro, I look like straight, straight bobblehead sometimes.

Easy for drink to see him down there. It could be AI. Yes. It's like AI. How can you make this helmet? look safer. And that's exactly what AI would make. I'm all in AI right now. Now, the Packers, they're exciting, man.

I feel like they've been a young team for the last like eight years. We've been saying that forever. Oh, their young team. They're like, what are we going to do it? But talk about growing with receivers. Adunze, Burden, Raymond with Caleb. I think that's a good group too. Because they're all young coming up

together. It's going to remind you kind of like that Green Bay. I feel like last year, just experienced. In the first two years, like, you get the experience. Now you got a playoff test. And like the chemistry, what Caleb sees, what you guys sees or with the coaches, all the feedback and what you're doing in the off season. Because, you know, this is most important like right now. Yeah. The offseason or in training camp is the most important time.

Like how much time you spend it with the quarterback or your teammates? I would say your brothers. That's a key point to it. Like as long as they, them and Caleb is on the same page and staying together, it's going to be highs and lows. But just stay the course. It's so much different. it brought a point that you made me think right here it's so much different when you're in the off season and you're a receiver watching film of yourself and your teammates than when it's your first year in the system

and you're trying to learn and watch someone else from someone else's film because when it was you you remember exactly what was going on so that's an advantage yeah that's an advantage um How'd you watch film? I sit down with my coach, but I also just, I didn't really watch the highlights of everything I did get. I tried to watch the bad highlights. Yeah. Like, even with my coaches, I used to always tell me, don't praise me for the good stuff. Like, just tell me about the bad.

I want to go off the good, bad, the ugly. That's what we used to call it. So let's talk about the bad stuff and how can we improve because we know we did great. Yeah. But I could have gave more effort on this run play. Or how can I set it up, make this look like that? Or take something from your game that I watched some film like, oh, he did it like that. I'm going to see if how I can practice with this in practice.

So everything I feel like releases or anything, like I will try to practice do in practice. Like, do that more in practice. Or if it was a scout team or something I needed a rep, like, because I picked that up more in college. Like, whoever was the, I didn't want the ball, but I want to work on my release. So I'm not trying to be to see with the jury who get the number.

I want to work on my releases and get better that way. So now I can see if I could try that in the game. So you jumping in scout team? Not all the time. I didn't do that so much. Couple reps. Not all the time in the leave. And it was mostly in college.

Yeah. But on the side, I feel like I'm going to talk to the quarterback. This is how I'm going to run the route and this how I see it. Like, yeah, I know we say this is that, but I'm going to do something like the tweak it. I'm a stimmer. I'm going to do a little double move. But you'll see what I'm talking about. And then we'll go practice it.

Do you ever, you watch your D.Bs you go against? I watched them. Yeah. I would always watch the, our coaches did an unbelievable job of giving us, like, playlists of each guy. You know, by the time, you know, it was like my, we used to be hard book. They brought in the iPads. Once the iPads came in and you could have, you could watch film anywhere.

Yeah. It changed the game. And like you could just click on, all right, number 23 to have a write up on his strengths, weaknesses. And then it'd have all his first 10 plays, all the second. And you could just, you could just watch. You only have to watch two or three reps because you'll see a, a couple techniques. You see he's got an offhand jam. You'll see he staggers his feet.

When he does that offhand jam, you'll see he does that in certain situations. So I only need to see that like twice, three times. So you only may have to watch 30 clips of a dude or 15, 20 clips of a dude. So I was, I used to look at it like, so if she was on the ball, how he plays, if she was off the ball, when you go in motion, how he plays. And we know, number one, sometimes don't definitely like going in the slot. So that ain't his. thing. So I'm like, you know, how is he going in the slot? Yeah. That was those type of things. And most times, I feel like, I'm not against the corners, but not all corners can go in that slot because that's a different game. It's a different game. It's, you have 53 and a third.

That's a different game there. You got to cover the whole field. It's, it's a very, who is your favorite DB to battle? Maybe DB to battle. Or who did you have most respect for against someone you played? Someone that you maybe gave you, you know, I would say Jason Verrett. His rookie. year. He gave me a pick. He did a pick six of like 50 yards. Like he can really, he, I don't know he had a few injuries, but he was, I feel like he's a great cornerback because he wasn't that tall, but he competed and he was right there with you. Like he could stop on a dime. He had speed. And he was just always there. Yeah. Me and Slay used to have some battles when he was in

Detroit all the time. We go back and forth. We laugh and joke about it. But it was fun. It's all competing, like just from, even from Mississippi, Mississippi State days and stuff like being on NCC. So I would say probably me, probably Slay and Jason, those are the guys that I feel like Oigs, Rose as well from Minnesota. Yeah. We had some good battles. See, it's always fun to hear. It's always your division guys

because you play them the most and they know your route tree and you play them twice a year. So they, you got to actually, you got to come with some new. And we didn't, for me, you know, there's, I used to play Jimmy Smith a bunch. Remember Jimmy Smith with Ravens? and when he was young, he was like long and he could get out of breaks

and he was tough at the line. Like he was quick, you know what I mean? He was first round corner. I just always remember we play each other and it was always a battle. And you can never get sloppy because you could tell he was watching my films.

You know what I mean? You could always tell if a DB watched your film on, like at least for me, on a certain stem I'd give them and I'd see how they'd protect it. You know what I mean? Because you'd always throw out a, I'd always throw out a stem or like a route in like one of the first run plays just to kind of feel what he's doing.

And then I, you know what I mean? Just to kind of fuck with them daily. I feel like, because being Slay, you talk about it. He was like, I was like, I was waiting on that one route. I knew it was coming. He was like, I knew it was coming. Then it was a double move. He was like, I haven't practiced all week on this shit.

Then you all right. You were the double move. I said, I knew he was going to fight. You was going to take the bait on that one. Now, did you have, if he said that to you, would you go. go back to the sideline and be like, yo, he's going to bite on this. Let's pump it. I feel like we just set it up the whole time.

I always just been setting up because I knew he thought it was coming. So this particular time, it was like an eight yard en route. So he was like, all right, y'all run a lot of eight routes. And y'all routes when y'all get into the red zones. I'm like, all right. But me and Jay used to have communication. So Jay was, I feel like he'll give you a signal. I'll just give him thumbs up.

Or something that we had a signal, secret signal. Like, yeah, let's do it. It's good. And it was that time that. It was one of those communication. It was like, I ran a double-moot pump. Like, I was going to run the eight y'all under me in and just took off. And Jay's through a touchdown.

He's like, he liked, did not, won't you just go that fucking touchdown? Like, I thought that was going to be my pick. I said, we know you did. Like, you've been sitting on everything. Plus, he ran like a four, he ran like a four or three super fast, super smart. Like, that's why I praised him too. Because also he could play inside and outside. Yeah.

Guys, I could do that you always have a respect for. And I was, for you, because you played a little DB, too. Yeah. But how did you view it? like when you go on the offense. Like how, which one, like,

how do you just play the approach the game when you play defense? So when I, when I played defense, I thought like an offensive player when I was playing defense. And then when I went back to offense, it made me a better receiver

because I learned what they were being taught, sitting in on meetings on what they were harping on, leverage, leverage, don't let them beat your leverage, and all that kind of stuff. And then when I was playing DB, I was a situational guy coming in certain third downs.

And so I would sit there and I would study got to have it plays with got to have it players. So like who are they going to throw to and what concept will they do? And then for me, I knew receivers hated, hated guys holding before five yards. So I would just hold, grab for dear life for five yards. and then I would try to run the route with them. You know, it worked a couple times. It got smoked a couple times. But it was a great learning experience for me

when I got back to the other side of the ball. You know, and that's when I was like, all right, well, I know what they're doing now. And I know how they're watching film. I know, you know what I mean? So it helped me. You know, it's kind of like the Patriots, like our offensive coaches,

when they were all young people, like Josh McDaniels, He started out as a defensive coach, I think. And Matt Patricia was an offensive coach, offensive line coach. They would cross freedom and then they would get back over to their side because then you learn, it kind of manipulates the brain to learn all of it. That's smart. That's a bullshit. Yeah.

That's a Patriots or whatever. We can't even say that. I don't know if you might get fined or, you know, but you can't say Patriot way with Belichick, this, that. Who knows? Is it trademarked? Is it copyrighted? I don't know. Philly or Chicago?

Who's going to have a better year this year? I hope they both have a great year. Because they're both contendi. I'm going to the game on Monday night, so they play in Chicago on Monday night. I think that's going to be an amazing game. And hopefully, I feel like they can face each other in the playoffs too and see, may the best team win.

Made the best team. Who's got better food, Chicago or Philly? Oh. A Philly cheese steak. Obviously, I'm going to go with Philly, but I tell people all the time, Chicago got one of the best food of all coaches and ethnicity. Bro.

I feel like it's got the best food, number one, in the United States, Chicago. It's not a hot take. It's not that hot of a take because people love Chicago food. That's a good take. Dude, I love their Lou Malnati's pizza. I love their little thin pizza. They got a lot of great Italian food, great steakhouses. They got every, and they actually do have decent Mexican food in Chicago

because there's a huge Mexican population. It is. A lot of people. don't know that. People don't know that. They don't. I always said that. Besides California, besides California, I think Chicago does. Number two.

And it's way, not even around it. Yeah, we're good. Yeah. So it's west of the Mississippi, right? Yeah. All right. Who's got crazier fans, Philly or Chicago? I'm going to have to go with the Philly fan. I mean, did you watch that home run derby?

Oh, yeah. They were, they booed. They were booing. They were booed. They were booed Santa, bro. Yeah, they threw batteries at Santa. Greasing the poles, all that, man. Oh, my God. Which team, if you were a prime you,

would you rather come back and join right now going into 2026? Prime. Prime you. That shape you. I'm going to say, that's how this is my ass. I want to play the first eight games with the Bears, and then I want to be traded the next eight games with the Eagles. But you want to play the Eagles at the end of the season? and going into the playoffs.

Oh, I see we, I see what he did there. I see you picking up the phone. Howie, look at how he's going to go on, Howie. All right, let's go. Let's go back into time and get into this game. But first off, we go into a segment and we talk about the pop culture around this time. This game took place December 1st, 2013. Number one movie, Frozen.

Classic. My daughter loved it. And now, like, now that she's nine, she hates it. She thinks it's like for little kids. I'm like, what the hell? You remember you used to like that. We had every goddamn thing. I worked with Hasbro.

We had a freaking, we had the whole kitten caboodle thing. I mean, and now we hate it? I mean. Kids, man. This song, Royal, Royals by Lord. Big one. Is it not sound kind of like Billy Elish before Billy Elish? That's a good point.

Lord never, she never could progress like Billy did though. No. Billy's not. I feel like the same genre. It is. Wolf Wall Street, Anchorman 2, American Hustle, all in the box offices.

And literally just watched below eight last night or below zero, eight below with Paul Walker. He tragically died in a car crash. That was crazy. I know, man. Seems like yesterday. Yeah, man.

You like those Fast and Furious movies? Loved them. Loved. I remember going to high school. It was when I was in high school. If I'm doing another one, give us a cameo. Really?

bro. He was a cameo. We'll do a cameo. I'll be out there whipping that thing. The Tokyo drip lo. He was one of the best. So sick, bro. With bow wow.

Bow wow. Love bow wow. So sick. NBA or NFL championship or NFL champions. Super Bowls. Seahawks. Peyton Manning won the MVP. Florida State won the Natty with James Winston.

He's been all over the World Cup cover. He's amazing time. I love it. He's fun, man. I love it. Keep it up. He's doing a show with Gronk right now on Roku. What's it called?

I forget. It's a World Cup. Tubi, Tube, Tube. Yeah, Tube. To be.

I think we're doing the show today. Yeah, we are. Shout out those two. They're entertaining as hell. And then he also won the Heisman this year. So were you a movie guy when you played? Yeah.

What are some of the hitters? I like, I always got them, I remember the Titans. I feel like that's a class. Strong side. A classic. That's South Carolina, too, right?

I just wouldn't Was it? Sunshine went to South Carolina Yeah sunshine You went to sorry We actually met him and No way Coach Spurrier

Yeah him and I What's the coach? Coach Boone Yeah coach Boone They both came Washington Who's that? Did you just tell me

That one that one actor Yeah that guy One of the best actors In the history of acting Oh yeah that guy Wait no No we met the real original

Oh my bad My bad my bad My bad Wait the old coach Spurier had them down there? That's incredible. Man, the old ball coach, baby. He still lives in South Carolina, um, Sunshine.

That's so sick. Yeah? Yeah. Heck yeah. How was the ball coach as a coach? He was cool. He, uh, he loved the golf. He loved a golf. He wears a visor better than about anybody. He loves a guy. Top visor. He's a top visor guy, I think. I mean, Josh McDaniels up there. He's a visor guy.

They're up there, bro. Phil Mickelson, all that. I know Phil's no good anymore, but, uh, yeah. I mean, SEC. How was it playing in the SEC, man? I mean, it's tough. You got to bring your hard hat every week. Every week. Yeah.

How's my guy, Gilly, as a roommate? Stefan, we had some battles all the time. Like, we always have battles. But we paired each other, made each other better. 1,000 percent, but you guys lived together, didn't you? So in the common room, did you guys, like, not talk at all? Because I could tell he's not a very, you know, Steph. Steph says, like, three words a week.

I would say that Stefan used to come, Stefan and his wife used to come to my room. We just come and hang out and we used to talk and stuff like that. talk about football and stuff like that. He never stayed in his room. He was always with his, he stayed with his wife or his girlfriend at the time of this, which is his wife now. So he never, he never was in his room.

Oh, Gilly, man. What, man, USC. Are you guys the USC? We're the real USC. Oh, you heard it here first. We're the real USC. What will coach Musselman say?

I don't know, man. He might have to, we just had coach must be yesterday. USC basketball coach. You got to look that up. I'm going to look it up. school was established first. Oh, the first.

Oh, there you go. When was it established? Do we got a date check? Let's do a little date check here. You have a date. You knew that, though. So you know that. Well, I mean, it's got to be before USC because South Carolina probably was.

I mean, I feel like Etsy is a great brand. But if you think about all the movies and stuff like that, that's how it's well-known brand. We in Hollywood, back in those times. It's free promo. I ain't matter. Marketing. See, he said it. It is. It's about marketing.

And I don't have no knock against the Trojans, because that was one of my favorite schools when I was growing up. It was between South Carolina and SC. It was both SEs. So you were going to be an SC no matter what. Yes, University of South Carolina, 1801, USC, Southern Cal out here, 1880. By 79 years. You knew that was. Yeah.

When you're on this side of the country where it first came over to that side, I mean, they didn't do the Oregon Trail yet. No, facts. Come on, man. That's just American. History won't a one, bro. Come on. We didn't even go rush yet. No, man.

But Alshan, being a top high school athlete in South Carolina, like, was there any question you weren't going to USC, South Carolina? Were you thinking about other spots, maybe? He said USC. I know. It was those two. Really? That was my top.

U.S.C. versus U.S.E., and then Kiffin went to Tennessee and then they came in the mix a little bit. So I kind of thought about that, but it was either USC or U. Wow. Can't lose either way. Did you visit out here? Yeah. was the visit. It was amazing. I had a great time. Hey, what could I say? I can't, well,

these days, I don't know, they got NIL now. But I had a great time. I had a great time. Man, I could only imagine. Where did you guys, did they take, were you only near the campus, or did they bring you to different spots of L.A.? We went to different spots of L.A. We went even somewhere, I think Manhattan Beach where Pete was staying at at the time because he was the coach. He went over there. I had breakfast with him. I had an amazing time. I'm like, that's what I was, I called my parents. I was like, yeah, I definitely think I'm coming here. You'd be over at Sims.

He's eating a burger before practice and Matt Beach. Call up Uncle Snoop. You imagine going to college here? I can't even imagine. He's crazy. The Pete Carroll Prime Days. Matt Leonard was like the Keyo City. Bro, they were the biggest team in L.A.

And this is a huge Dodgers in Lakers City. Shout out to Lindell White, because Lindell White came back from Lee. He was a, when I was on my official, He was there. He showed him a good time. Show him this a love as well. I know. Thunder?

Thunder. Thunder? That's insane. Oh, man. I love those teams. I was a Cali kid. You know, and like our best,

SC was the best school in California. You know, it was always them. And Berkeley actually used to battle him with Aaron Rogers when I was young. You know,

and there'd always be like another PAC-10 team that would battle, but it was always SC was the standard. Yeah. We'll be right back after this.

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Come on Slate. We got to find his inhaler. It's around here somewhere, bro. Dude, someone stole it. I stole his inhaler. A fast guy in our team had asthma. I stole his inhaler. Someone stole it off the goddamn wall.

The freaking shame. We'll get our best guy on it. We'll get our best guy out here. I would say playing an SEC though, like just whether you use a DB or receiver, I feel like playing those positions. And every week you had to go against somebody because you had this top corner over here.

At this top receiver here, I remember when we played Georgia and I'm watching, Because I've seen AJ in high school. I just always was a big fan. But I seen the one watching him play at Georgia against us. I'm like, oh, he took it to a whole other level. Like, he dominated, like, he literally took over the game than watching playing against the Tebow team.

But he had Riley Cooper, you have Major Ray. You had Percy. Hernandez. Hernandez. You had the pounties. The pouncies. Bro, we had half those teams. We drafted half the Florida team.

We had Jermaine Cunningham. We had spikes. Spikes. That team was stacked. We had Tebow for a year. I mean, we had half the Florida teams. It's insane. But Alshan, you're talking about like, that was a stacked SEC.

Not counting South Carolina. Where's the craziest place atmosphere-wise to play? See, I didn't play at LSU, so I've heard. I would say what they called between the hedges and Georgia. Yeah. Georgia and Florida was one. They were loud. They were loud.

They were loud. Georgia and Florida was like. Because Florida Stadium was like, right here where the carpet starts and that was the fans. Like throwing stuff on you. They, this was too close. They were throwing it on you,

throwing whatever. But Georgia was pretty loud too. Yeah. I played in the Mid-American Conference. We didn't have to worry about too much crowd noise, but did play in the horseshoe. That's big.

That's big. I heard. I heard. It gets, I don't think they were getting that loud for like the steps, sons playing against Kent State. You know what?

I mean, but look, it was loud. That was before they closed it in. Votech got cranking. I missed in Tennessee had 100 something thousand. Damn, that's crazy. I heard that place gets rocked. Yeah, that was crazy, too. SEC, man.

It sucks that they're not the best conference right now. You know, it sucks at the Big Ten overpassed. Those are fighting words, bro. Those are fighting words. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just saying. I mean, we look at the last, what, four natties? I got to give them respect, me.

This new money stuff is different. I'm out of nowhere. Indiana. We'll be bad. I know they'll be back. But I like the competition. I like that it's spread. I like just in all sports,

whether it's football, basketball, or anything. Like, it's always good for a new champion. Like, I like the competitive nature, even though whether they're in the big 10, the SEC or the ACC, like, everybody got money. It's depending on what you want to pay or you got to go get the right player

that fits your system. And I think Indiana coach, he do a great job of there. Like, finally his place. Signetti. I mean, that's crazy for guys like us, because we used to, as a Kent State going flashed, like we wish we got to play Indiana because we could potentially beat a BCS team.

Really? We could potentially beat them. Now they win Natties? Like, what's the school back when we was in school? Boise State. Boise State. Boise State. They were cheaters.

They were cheaters because they were, Blue turf. They would get, they would get Pack 10 recruits, and they would play into Mount West the whole time, and then they would beat up on them, and they would sneak up in there, and they'd have Zimankowski,

give the little fake. you know, Statue Liberty, and then the running back would go and propose to his girlfriend on, I don't know, man. Because if I was a college coach, I'm going to get, like you said, I'm going to go find you at Kent State.

Yeah. Even though I'm at a big school, I'm going to go find you. I'm going to go find who's at the Division 2, Division 3. It's players everywhere, so give them a chance. And give them a bad.

See, that's what I wonder. With this new NIL, if I would have went, because my first year at Kent, I was second team, All Mac. And we had like our best, most successful team.

in like 40 years, and we only went six and six. But I wonder if, like, Oregon came knocking at my door. You go on. You know, I always wanted to play in the Pac-10. I was a Pac-10 kid. You know, would I have gone? They got all those jerseys. Jerseys.

Got some Benjamas. Got Nike's. Even though Reeboks are tight. We like Reeboks over here in the house. We like Reeboks. But, yeah, man, crazy. SEC All time

I played at I played at Kentucky against Woodson Remember And they beat LSU that year They were

Number three We were beating them A half time That was one of My first schools I gave me a scholarship Yeah Kentucky

Yeah That place was cool too It was cool It was something different But it was cool Even like The non Like blue blood

SEC Like they all Like even Vanderbilt You go there It's like That place kind of tight too Ramsey gay rocking too.

Who? Randy? Yeah. Bobby, baby. Bobby Vitrino? No, Pavia Diego Pavia, man. Oh, remember him? QB?

Yeah, he got Vandy Poppin recently. He did. He's trying to petition for a ninth year or whatever it was. I know. Is that nah, brother? No. All right, Jackie. Let's show you go back.

Let's get into these Vikings real quick. Let's get into these Vikings. 2013, baby. 5, 10, and one. These were the Leslie Frazier Vikings. Les. Not their best season. That's for sure.

coming off a 10 and 6 year, a little bit of a regression year. Final year at the Metro Dome. RIP, man, one of the old school domes out there. Winless on the road, not good away from the dome. 07 and 1. Had that tie, though, the week before this. And a notably bad defense, a little foreshadowing for this game, allowing an average of 397 yards per game,

led up 30 points per game. And at quarterback, our man, Matt Castle was in there. Hunter started the game. Ponder started. So this was a Matt Castle, Christian ponder room. Let me double channel. Second year, right? Second year, I believe. They're trying to get him to be the guy. But on this team, you know, you had AP still

AKA AD. Toby Gerhardt, remember him? Stanford guy. Greg Jennings, Rodney Smith. I mean, this was some notable names. Xavier Rhodes on this team, Harrison Smith. There were some notable cats on this team. Now, you played these guys a bunch. What was this generation Vikings like? Because it's always hard for in division regardless. I feel like my rookie year we played down.

That's when I think AP broke the record. I'm not sure. But he came back from ACA, I believe. And 11. He was going crazy. Yeah, he went 2000. I was watching, I was watching them in person. He had like 100 yards, 150 in the first quarter.

Oh, my God. Yeah. AP was a man child. That was my first time. I'm like, oh, this is they talking about Asians because you always hear stories. And then the second year, I feel like, Like that game, because Jay had got hurt that game.

Like I said, B. Marshall was hurt too. Yeah. God, yeah. Week 14, he went for 254 yards in 2012 against y'all. 31 carries two touchdowns against the Bears. Gosh. At first quarter, he had 150 yards. 150 in the first.

So this was all about stopping AP. And you guys score a bunch of points. Unreal. And when I feel like this one, we had Jake, like I said, Jay was out for a while. I forgot what injury had. Josh just became the quarterback, McCown. Yeah.

So, like, leading out to the week, like I said, B Marshall was our guy. And we was just talking about, like, getting the ball. We had a lot of plays. Like, we had a few plays here and there for different receivers. So I will say our coaching job did a coaching staff did a great job. Trust you. If he said you had, like, eight balls, eight catches, he really meant that. And you really is going to get that in the game plan, no matter how the game is gone.

So let's talk about these Chicago Bears. Let's get into these bears eight and eight. Mark Trisman, we just talked about DCMelt up. CFL, Mark Trestman. Don't sleep on the CFL. He was CFL head coach. Don't sleep.

Hey, was he there when you were going to be a CFL guy? Huh? Because you were going to be a CFL guy. That's why. Maybe that was it. But I also knew something else about. I remember something about Trisman. He was with the,

he did the Raiders or the 90s. He was, yeah, he was one of those guys. But then he went over and became like a super successful coach in CFL. And then for a long time. and then I remember Chicago brought him in, and he hadn't been an NFL coach in a minute. Right? Go ahead.

No, not in a minute. And then this was the first year of the Trestman era, first year post-Earlacker in Chicago, which is big. I mean, he was the guy for so long. Notable rookies, Kyle Long, friend of the show. Kyle Bostic also. Second year for Alshan in the league. And then, yeah, we mentioned this earlier.

Josh McAllen took over for Cutler when he got that groin injury. So he ended up starting five games, including this one that we're talking about today. And then this was star-studded team. I mean, great backup. So many beasts on this team. Great backup. McCown.

He played for a million teams. He played for a million teams. And this was probably early in his career. So this is early, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Let me see what I was pretty early. This is probably the start of him having a 20-year career as a backup because he came in and he showed he could compete at a high level.

Keep getting them checks, Josh. I mean, he still. He still playing. No, he's coached now. Yeah. He's out there somewhere. I mean, Minnesota. Yeah.

Bro, the craziest part is this. was like, he'd been in the league 11 years at this point. Oh my God. He came in the league in 2012, or 2002. They came in with a lot of, Raiders.

And, um, Larry. Jeez, bro. And then in the middle there, he's on the Hartford, uh, Colonios.

Jeez, Louise. He would get so mad at me because I had to cover him in the UFC championship when I was a DV. He was holding. I was holding the fuck out of him. But he was getting mad because

Flacco wasn't throwing him the ball. He's like, I got a fucking receiver. Oh, white receiver, I'll be bad. I'm like, I'm in his head. I'll be his head. I'm locking you up, brother.

Back to the band. We got to talk about some of these. I mean, this was a team full of dudes, Alshan, Brandon Marshall, Marty B., another friend in the show. Marty B. You forget about Pett, bro. I'm crazy.

He's that dude in meetings. I love Marty B. He's very passionate. He's very passionate, though. Bro. You know, you even said it when you came to the, you watched how we practiced. And I remember the first offense meeting with Marty B.

we're sitting there and it's kind of, you know, like the coach talks and we listen. And maybe one guy talks, and his name's Tom Brady. At the end of the fucking meeting, you get a hand up. It's Marty. He asks some super intuitive question like, now, coach, now what if this happens all this? And it was such a great question that no one's asked. Coach is like, well, if we ever get to that point, you know, he had to combat him. but he was like,

you know how Marty is? He sounds like Samuel Jackson when he asks the damn question. And so he's like, wait a minute, you know what I mean? He's such a fun teammate. I loved Marty B.

doing kung fu in the fucking locker room and shit. Who else were some of your favorite teammates on this team? Honestly, I feel like, um, I feel like the older guys like this is such a good job with like taking care of the younger guys on this team.

Like even when Erlaka before he left, like he looked out he took care of like Lance Briggs, uh, Jay. Josh, I feel like Matt Forte. They all took me on your wings. He was a beast. Peat.

Because we played Julius Peppler was on a teammate. Peanut Tell me. Like, he used to teach me techniques on the sideline about, like, how. Hold the ball. Yeah. So I used to have to catch the ball like this and just hold it out because he was very good at that.

I mean, he. The peanut punch. Yeah. They called the peanut punch. What was it like seeing him in practice every day? Like, what do you tell you about the the ball? The ball's inside out.

Yeah. I was going to say. I was very professional, but he had a lot of fun, but also, like I said, on the sideline, I got pick his ring where he used to work on me every day, like, with our coach, Coach Mike Groves was my coach. So, you know, I used to see him go against B. Marsha and B. Marsha catch the ball. And like, he said, he'll punch him out and he'll drop it. Like, I'm like, oh, I can't let that happen. So I was right.

We hit up B. Marsh. We hit up B. Marsh before this. I said, I got, I got A.J. coming on. What you got for me. he said you got to show him this picture what's this picture wait a would it be marcee since he was a team what why what did he say he said ask about college weight and show this picture

why is b marsh saying that because he's because i used to be uh well you were a big boy big boy but i still was making plays that's fast back what else did he say joe uh that was in many he said he You got to ask about the relationship with Cutler and Trestman, I think, right? Or what was Jay, what was, what was Jay and Brandon Marshall's relationship? And that, yes, and that too. Oh. But they, like, they had like a, in a good way, like a husband and wife,

like they back in club, but I can never understand. But they got each other. They got the chemistry with each other. So I'm like, well, that's just they think. Because they play with Denver. They played in Denver together for so long. So I'm like, all right. go back and forth and Jay will get on him.

He would say some things to Jay. I'm like, you know, that's just Jay and B. Like, say you're an old married company. Oh, my God. I forgot the two stops together. I forgot the two. They couldn't get away from each other. I think he put up like 18 balls on us when we played him in Denver.

I think he had like 18 or 20 catches. They had a crazy chemistry, bro. Oh, my rookie year in 2009. My rookie year, he had 15, 100 yards. He was killing him. Like, he had that chemistry. Like, so that's how I learned like, okay. Brandon Marshall got some stats.

You do. People sleep on it because he never played in a playoff game. But he got, like, he was like a top three receiver for like eight years. No, no doubt about it. Yeah, it was seven, is he six or seven years in a row, hundred catches, thousand yards? Exactly. He's one of the ones that he definitely got those. And he produced.

He produced. He produced. Me Marsh was crazy. I worked with them on, inside the NFL. my first year doing TV. Future Hall of Fame one. I'm campaigning for you, bro. Me too, man.

He should be in the hall. He should be on the hall. Him right. What's your best Jay Cutler story? Does he really look like he's always smoking a cigarette? Nah, Jay was mad, cool. I feel like they give Jay a bad wreck. Like, Jay was down hard teammates.

Like, I would say, for me, Jay just was professional of if you didn't do the right things, he would get on you. That's all I looked at it as Jay. Like, if you let that get under your skin, you bother. It's like your mama or your dad. had like fussing at you or something like that.

Like, he just wanted you to perform and be better. He didn't, a lot of people said that he was nice and I like he didn't care. That wasn't Jay. Like, he really looked out for his teammates. Like, my best story, I got a few great stories. I would say Jay really hanged out with the team. Yeah. Like our last year together, he took everyone into the club, bought the bottles.

Now we're talking. I'm like, big bottles of crystal. I'm like, oh, shit, I know. Big bottle J. Big bottle J. But he ain't drinking nothing. He was just like making sure of the whole. team had got it and it was cool.

We had a great time and it was team karate. That's how we just looked at his bonding. I don't think anyone ever said like I was I'm an outsider looking in. Jay Cutler looked like a fun, cool teammate. Even though everyone like the outside media always said he was fucking

nonchalant and stuff. But he just looks like one of those guys probably crack a joke here and there. You would. You know what I mean? Like, but like with his arms folded like in a serious situation, be like drop a joke. A little bit of a smart ass type.

Yeah, that smart ass shit. Yeah, I like that. You need those guys. How good, he threw the fuck out of ball. To me, I think Jay, I would say pure talent, the best quarterback. I feel like Jay still could be playing.

But he could be on the baseball. He could be on a diamond right now as a closer. He's the only person I've seen throw the ball in the wind that it never changed speed. It was always catchable ball. And it never like wobble anything. Like he was just used to throwing it.

Like, Vanderbilt. Like, pure tunnel. I feel like, Jay, Jay, come on off the couch. You can still play, I'm sure. So you're telling me, Jay Cutler would have came off the couch instead of Philip Rivers.

It would have been. Oh, I'm not against Phil. You're great. But Jake can still throw that football. He can't. When's the last time you see Jay throw? I haven't seen through him. The last time I seen him was at the city.

He's just a type of guy that could pick up right now and just go. Yeah. Drew Bledso's like that. Jake, Jay got that. I don't know what's in that arm, but he got a cannon. He's a natural candidate. Dude, he always.

had a canton. That was, it was fucking insane. McCallon, how was his ball? You know, probably a catchable ball? Yeah, a catchable pass. Like, it wasn't, I'm not saying different between me and Jay, but he catches a pass and Josh was a true professional. Like, he'd tell you like, hey, I'm coming to you on this

play. Even like this game we're about to get into, like Josh's, I feel like he was, him and Jay worked so well because he communicated to guys that if Jay would tell him some things, you know how you can communicate different to different guys. So that's how Just different forms of communications. Some guys are yellers.

Some guys are, you know, you pat him on the butt. You know. And Josh was a hell of a hooper now. Was he? Oh. What about your hooping? I can, I can hoop too.

I could do a little something on the court. Wait, do you really win four straight titles in high school? I did. Forced every year. Every year. Oh, my God. So you're telling me McCownahoo.

Yeah, he can hoot. We used to go to have some battles out there. He could do 360 between the legs. Jump. He can jump out. Scott got a jump shot, everything. You know. We had a max Marty B.

Marty B. Marty B. I'm going to ask him. I think Marty did say something about that once. McCown, bro. I didn't know he could hoop like that. McCown. Doesn't he have like 15 kids?

I think he does. I don't know how much kids. Rivers. Rivers definitely. I think McCown has a couple. I thought he's like super, you know, have a lot of kids guy. Got a lot of jerseys.

I can tell you that much. I mean, McCown, dude. He made a lot of money. Insane, bro. I mean, and he often. And he obviously was something great because he played for so long. He played until his 40s. He's a great coach.

He's a great coach. He's a great coach. He's a great players coach. But great coach, like, really going to, he found, he, I feel like he had known how to dive into players no matter where he came from all walks of life. Like, he's really going to get to understand you. And I feel like every coaching staff or every team need a player like that on any team. Yeah.

He's in Minnesota, not with Kyler. Yeah. But AJ said, who are the best hoopers on the squad? Oh, I got to go. You know, we played North Carolina, the Carolina boy, you know. The 6-6 or 6-7 guy, number 90. He was a monster. He was so strong.

He was so strong. He was a sport athlete. It's insane. You know, PEP guy, I got to go with PEP first. Pep was the best. Then I would say me. Then I'm going to go with Josh. Pretty good job.

Starting three right there. Shea was, Shea McClellan. We had him. He was sneaky athletic. Remember that? I ain't played too much basketball always, Shee. No, but he was, I just looked at it. He was a sneaky, really athletic guy.

He was one of the guys that jumped over the line and blocked a kick. He jumped over a line and blocked a kick. Remember that. Kyle Long was athletic as hell too. I forgot. Michael Bush. I might have to change on the rink. Michael Bush was a bad boy on that hoop too.

Michael Bush. And he was athletic. He was kind of like what, I feel like what LaGarrette was doing. Michael Bush was doing that. He could jump over you. He was elusive. Yeah.

And they could carry their weight pretty well. Yeah. We had Antonio Gates on here. And he loves who. My guy loves hoop. And he takes it serious. He's a hooper at heart, bro. We talk about, I went and did a show with him.

We did like the American cookoff or something. Remember that. My guy didn't understand that I didn't play on the teams that he played against. Like, he was yelling at me like, how in 07 did you guys beat us? I'm like, bro, I was in seventh grade. That was Troy Brown. That was Troy Brown, not me. And then we get into who.

I love A.G. Because we went to Kent together. or he went to Kent State and he took us to an elite eight bro he didn't even play football he's a fucking monster like this guy didn't play a down of college football and he's a hall of famer it's insane we'll be right back after this quick break what a stud get in the game let's get in this game quick little lead up let's run through that real quick just to set the stage the tie eight and one the tie coming off the tie the week before this against green bay that's minnesota we're talking about here on the other hand in chicago six and five record still fighting for a playoff spring And then we got to talk about week five where Alshan broke the record that this game breaks that record. 10 catches, 219 yards, one tuti, unbelievable. And we got Josh McCowan taking over for Jake Cuddy here making this start. Man, what was like, I know this week, Alshan or Brandon was a little banged up so you knew you were getting targets. What happened to that week five game?

I didn't, honestly, I didn't even know I broke the record. But we played against the Saints and they was doubling B Marshall. So every play coached freshman was calling in. he just altering change you know how you know everybody he just changed and put me in that position and he worked out and I was having a great game

and he was dope it was putting their whole defense towards B. Marsh's what was B. Marsh? What was B Marsh doing? Was he was he? He had to be a little fussed. He was a little fussed grated about them going to go over here.

I know he was yelling at ball about you throwing shit. Oh man. He was a little flushed crazy. Come on. And for all you old school football heads out there That was a 59-year-old record set in 1954 by Harlan Hill. Everyone knows Harlan Hill. Everyone knows Harlan Hill.

Duh. One of the championships. B. March just smashed that thing. Or, I mean, Al-Shan smashed that thing. B-March, which is he did. Be March on the sideline pissed. I didn't even know nothing about that. After the game, he was like, you broke the way.

I said, we lost the game. That's like, you always says, we lost the game. No one remembers it as much unless you win it. That's why, like, if you're bawling out in a game, you're like, Let's please win this game so I can enjoy the game. Please go, go. All right, Jack, let's jump into this game real quick here. We start this thing out unceremoniously, five straight punts,

a bit of a slow start here. Robbie Gould, field goal in the first, gets us on the board. Bears lead three nothing after one. Then Minnesota comes back. Our man, Cordell Patterson, we haven't talked about CP yet. CP 33-yard toss sweep. Vikings up 7-3. Late in the second quarter, still 7-3.

Christian Ponder gets a little bang. up a little helmet to helmet action with Shane McClellan. That knocks him out of the game. Seven, six going into the half. At half, we got to keep track of this. So cast dogs in. Castogs in. Seven catches, 91 yards in the first half for AJ.

Big first half. So what do you think in a half time? I'm really, really not really, because I feel like the game is going through the flow. So they call in the place, so all the plays they call on, okay, I'm having a, I'm catching, so not having a good game. I'm not really thinking about it. And then... I feel like coach kept talking to him,

and B Marshall's telling him he's like, every deep ball, if it's a go route, go it's an Alshan. That's what is his words. He's like, yeah, my hand screen, just every deep ball throw the Alshan. That's what he said. That's what you said.

And so you're happy. I'm like, oh, yeah. Yeah, Josh, yeah, we got Kirishi. Let's keep it rolling. And speaking of that, I mean, that sets up the opening the third quarter. We opened this thing up with an 80-yard TD strike to Al-Shon, puts us up in the game and just opens this. thing wide up. So you got a 75 and an 80. So what happened was we was running a place set it up,

set up. So I come in motion, I'm Z, and I go block the safety. So you fake the block and go up. That's what happens. Of course. Yeah. Block the force. Little pump, pop, pop. And you kind of broke a tackle, right? Or someone overran it? No, he was a. He was chasing. Yeah, he was chasing on this one. He didn't get caught from behind. Up 13-7 after that one. Minnesota has a seven-minute drive. but ended in a 32-yard field goal. That gets it to 13-10. Then the second one, the 46-yarder. Al-Shan bust another one, gets him up 20 to 10.

Insane. Two big ones in one quarter. So what are you thinking after that? I'm in zone. Now, that catch, that one is? That was memorable. I'm like, now, that's probably my favorite catch of all the time. Why?

Because the play before, this is the true story. Play before, he threw it to me again, but I wasn't open. If you watch the film, be watched it. Remember, he just said, throw every deep ball. He's wide open on the other side for a touchdown. There's not the best catch. He's wide open.

Unbelievable. So he comes back hot. We caught the same play again. He throw it to him again. I said, oh, yeah, I got to have this one. And I was like, if you could tell when I was running, I was looking at where the ball is going to land. I'm like, where the defense said?

I'm like, I'm going up for this one. And shit, when I came down, I'm like, shit, that's what I fucking told you. Just throw me the ball. Like, in the crazy part, the DB got ejected out the game. Why? He tossed the rap. I remember we studied this.

Legit, bro. Because Coach Belichick would, if this happened, Belichick would get all these plays that happened and he would show us, don't fucking touch her wrath. You know, just so we would never do it. Bro, Chris Cook,

that was him. He was hired about that. I remember catching him, he's going off on the rough, but I was celebrating. Bro, I got a bit of a theory here, tinfoil hat. I think AJ was burning him so bad.

He had to get himself talk just to, save the day. Save a little face. I mean, leave with some prize. I mean, holy smokes. I think the numbers here, I think just against him alone, you had 115 yards receiving. I ain't bigging myself up, but that catch was crazy. That's catching the year candidate type stuff. It was an insane catch. Oh my God. Unbelievable. And then we get a, uh, a Minnesota drive. That's when you wrote him into the end zone? Yeah, with two guys. And you kept your feet in and you're just the, it was a hell of a ball too. That was a hell of a ball too. That was a hell of

possible pass. McCown. Man. He can play that thing, man. He'll throw you deep ball. Get you a man that can do both.

Holy smokes. Unreal. Matt Castle comes down, leads a nice TD drive. Greg Jennings. Shout out. Hadn't mentioned him yet this episode.

Cuts it to 20 to 17. Then Matt responds with an interception. Opens the door from Minnesota. 82 yards and 220 ties this thing on a 30-year-field goal. 20 to 20. What time?

We got two... Let me see. I think there's like two minutes left. Not late in the... one. So what are you thinking in your head? It's 20 to 20 here. After having, you know, I mean, after, you may not know numbers of like 79 yards in the first half, but once you're past about 160, you know you're having a day. I'm really not really gone at it because I'm looking up there, I guess because we both had the same. Josh Gordon is up there killing me too. He was. Was he?

Oh, he had one of his monster games. We both had the same week. It was crazy. So we're peeping up over there and we're seeing fantasy, we're seeing fantasy points? But I really not. Because I'm still in the game like shit, we got to win the game. But somebody just came like, I think D. Hess told me like, hey, he broke the record, bro. Like, you breaking the record. We didn't even talk about Hester. How fucking you are. D.S.

Everybody in my receiver room was a great teammates too. And D.S. was one of the coolest, humble person. Like, he used to sit all, sit in the back and just relax. And like, chill. He was just mad, cool, looked out for us. Like, he was, I feel like the ultimate three-made. But is he a freak on the feet? Like, I mean, he was a freak.

Speaking of Hall of Famers. Yeah. He was a hell of quick, true professional. He just knew how to get, he just knew how to set shit up. And he, put his foot in the ground and go.

He was selling us all the stories about when he's rookie year, when he broke the record and he was telling us all. He's like, because he's like, he never, he never practiced outside.

When I first comes to Chicago, I'm from South Carolina too. I got the same effect. I'm like, I'm like, damn it's cold out here. Like, they got chicken broth, everything out there. I'm like, yo, it's too cold.

Like, we really going outside? I coach something. I'm like, yeah. And there's like no sleeves. So they were going to play outside. I said, yeah, I guess I got to get used to that trick on. And I'm a rookie. So you know, you're rookie.

I'm going to do whatever they say. So cool. Man, man. Matt Castle throws the pick. Bears got a punt. They come down, hit a field goal with 20 seconds left. And then Chicago still got life, gets in field goal position, misses a 45-yarder that would have won that thing in regulation.

There was a couple. But he made it. there was a penalty. Yes. He made it and then there was like a penalty, right? Definitely. I can't remember. What was that in overtime?

That was overtime. That was overtime. Okay. There's one where Minnesota's kicker makes it. Forget it was either this one or the overtime one. And then he had to re-kick. It's the overtime one. Overtime, right.

This one was the one at the end of regulation was a desperation like 66-yarder. So that was, I mean, just a little bit of a Hail Mary type kick. Then in overtime, you missed. Minnesota misses their first one. Then Chicago responds with them. And this is old school. First point kill. Yes.

Yeah. I mean, so these are two back-to-back misses. Then Minnesota would put together a seven-play 47-yard drive. That would end in a Blair Walsh, 34-yarder. They would escape with the win. 23-20. Vikings win.

Get out of there with a dub after this record-setting day. We got to talk about some of these insane stat lines, by the way. Not just Al-Shans. It was a crazy game. Matt Forte somehow had 120 rushing yards, even with 249 here from our guy. AP, 211 on the ground, 35 carries. I mean, he was eaten. Insane, just back and forth, all-time stat line.

I mean, that's why it was so close because they had such long sustained drives with those run games. Yep. Like, I mean, you guys have an explosion plays, but if the other team is sitting there and they're eating the clock and only letting you guys go on so many times. We had some quick strike type scores here with, with, you know, an 80-year. yarder and a 46 yarder. McGowan threw for a 355. And CP had a 33-yard rushing touchdown. Yep.

C.P. was cool. You play with C.P.? I didn't play, no. He went to Chicago after. C.P. was cool, dude. What a beast, man. He could do it all. So you break the record twice.

You guys second in the north at the end, you play three more seasons with Chicago before going to Philly. Then you get your Super Bowl against us. Big. So, I mean, man, you had, and then you retire after nine. Now you're living in San Diego. Bad. Not too bad.

So when we play, I know y'all have had that game, which one? That game we played against each other. That was a battle. I never seen quarterbacks play. They both played with. That was a battle. I never seen that much yards thrown in the football game. There's only two punts.

There was two puns. Both quarterbacks threw for 500 yards or something like that. I think Tom threw for 530. I didn't play I was hurt Oh I was I tore my ACL You're right

You're right Was it up in the booth You're right Was in the booth Starting Dola chance What you thought about The Philly special The Philly

I'm sitting What I, we did it before I was like Fuck that play That's what I thought I said fuck that play What did you try it Did we try it before or after

Because we threw You guys Yeah Off the head Off the Fives Yeah So I'm sitting there like, oh, what the fuck? They beat us with the own play.

That's bullshit. Gave that thing a statue, Kyle. And it was cold. Is it Minnesota? Then the next year, y'all came back. You hit us. Y'all hit us with the double pass in the real, regular game. I hate you.

Double bad. And it was the double pass where I was supposed to throw it to the screen. Yep. And I threw it to Dorset. I thought that was the game winner. I think so. Yeah, we needed it. We couldn't get anything going on offense that game.

Recuration. everywhere. It's so crazy. The year before it was like a freaking shootout and the both teams play the next year, no one was really getting anything going. Do you score this bad boy? Let's score it. Let's name the game. We came up with some names.

If you have a specific name that you have in your head, we'll use that. But we came up with the record breaker. The record breaker part two. The 249 game. The Al-Shan Jeffrey game. The minis the mini

Minneapolis milestone. The Minneapolis milestone game. Alliteration there. Or something else. Or something else. I feel like I had a lot of big games against Minnesota, even in Philly.

We won in Super Bowl that NFC championship game. You ate on those guys. So you love playing in Minnesota. Well, against Minnesota, I guess. I got to be something. I like the names. Which one?

Which one do you want? Which one do we call it? Settle on one. I'm going to go with the record breaker part, too. I like that. The record breaker part two. Let's score the game. Is this the greatest game of all time?

Let's score it. Al-Shan, we encourage decimal scores. The stakes of this week 13, 2013 game, zero to 10 decimals encouraged. The stakes of this game to you going into this game. Regular season. Done Super Bowls.

In the playoff hunt. In playoff hunt. I'm going to make up. 8.5. I like that. I like that. I like that. I like that.

I'm going with the 7.8. 7.8. Let me see what I had. A 5-3. Little on the low end. My bad guys. Star power. Let's get the star power.

I was all right. Star power of the game. 0 to 10 decimals encouraged. Oh, the star power in that game? I'm going to go with a 9. 9? There were a lot of guys out there. Yeah.

Go at 8.5. 8.5. Let's see what I had. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I must have been, I don't know what I was doing. I must have been popping bottles with color at the club the night before this. Let me add this, I'm gonna go nine.

We got Hall of Famers. We got Devin Hester, we got Pep. First special teams guy out of all time. Yes, put some respect on it. I got to boost that up. Come on now. Gameplay of this game. Back and forth over time. Zero, 10 decimals encouraged. It was back and forth.

I'm gonna go with a seven. Seven? Seven? Yeah. I'm gonna go with a 7.1. It was back and four. but it was an overtime battle. A couple missed field goals,

but a lot of explosion plays. 7.1 as well. Same mind. Same one. The name of the game. We grade the name of the game, the record breaker part two game. 0 to 10,

decimal's encouraged. Like I said, we didn't win the game, so I'm gonna go with 8.5. I like that. It's a pro score. I'm gonna go with the 8.3, shout out West Walker.

8.3, shout out Wes. 3. Dude, what was up with me these days? I'm gonna boost this up. I'm gonna go with 75. If you won the game, we would have got boosted it up. What does that put us in grand total?

Leah calculating here. 7.8 was set on the list. That gets us to, that's a good high score, man. 7.8 puts us at our new 79th game. We just passed John L. Weaver's Joe Montana week 7, 1999.

It's a fucking good game. Really good game. Oakland, Casey. What was that? 1999. That was John Gruden, remember? when he went into Arrowhead and got his first big win in Arrowhead. The first time the Raiders beat the Chiefs in Arrowhead in like 10 years. He said, let's drive the bus around the stadium a couple more times.

Yeah, he did. He said we drove around the stadium three times. Let him know. Freaking freaking Gruden. He's something else, man. Sean Fagin when they beat the Eagles last year. Did he drove down Bras Creek? He's wild for that.

John Paying crazy, dude. I just watched Home Team. Have you seen that movie? What's his name? With Kevin James. Kevin James is it's the story about when Sean Payton got suspended and went and coached his Pop Warner football team. I watched that. I watched it.

It was actually fucking awesome. Insane plot for a movie, but true. Oh, man. Alshan, AJ. We miss anything from this game? No, we got it all. You got anything to plug? I would say stay tuned for more.

I got this podcast and show that I'm coming out with called No Rules. no playbook. So y'all stay tuned. Love to have you a part of it. Let me know when. Hell yeah. I'll come check it out. And games with names, you guys,

always stay tapped in with Jews. Like, he does amazing job and blessings to the world. That's all I got. AJ, I appreciate you coming on my dog. Thank you so much. I appreciate you, man. Appreciate y'all. Freaking unreal football player.

Unbelievable. Man, what a game. And what a guest. Alshon Jeffrey. bro. What's some respect on the man's name. Like, what a beast. He had some monster years. Really did. This was a monster year. This was a monster year. A lot of league. Putting up breaking the record twice. His own record. Like, unbelievable. What a cool guy too. Lay back, chill. But also, you know, he worked his tail off and he knows ball. Like, we sat and after the episode, we sat in the backyard and just talked football for 50 minutes.

At least. Literally. Guys were back there. I mean. Chopping it up. Chopping it up. And it was cool to hear his perspective about B. Marsh. Oh, I know. Because I, you know, I worked with B. Marsh's close friend. And we never worked together.

But it's funny to see B. Marsh as the professional in the TV space. And then also, you know, how he was as a player. You say, he was, he was, he was, definitely. It's insane to think of those two guys in one wide receiver's room. Man. That's a large. Drew. How did Chicago not... I don't know. You know, it's...

And that goes to the point that football is the ultimate team sport. Facts. Eleven men have to do the same. Their job for five, six, seven seconds. And if one guy messes up, the team is not good. Literally. Facts. No super teams out there. It comes down to, as Belichick would always say, it comes down to blocking and tackling. What about throwing?

So simple. What about the play snap? I mean, there's so many what ifs, but if you can't do those two things, you can't win. So if you can't block for those sexy receivers, it gets crazy. Man, that was a fun time capsule

because, you know, that's what going over these games are kind of like. It brings you back into those times, seeing the pop culture, seeing, you know, for us, I was in the league at that time. and one of the comrades from our generation. I mean, it's fun doing these games.

It was, man. We went back to a great era. That was 13, man. That was a great era. We'll be right back after this quick break. Great era in the NFL. That was a kick. That was awesome, man.

I love Alston. We got to have him back on one day. We have to. What a guy. Fresh, looking good. Looking. He has leather pants on. How about the outfit?

Did he come in leather pants? I think he did, bro. He was swagged out. Leather pants? You know what I wanted? I didn't want it. I didn't ask. I mean, only swat.

I mean, only Swayze could come in here with leather pants, but Alshan pulled it off. Shades, because there's always sunny, man. Patrick Swayze. Of course, of course, of course. I could see him as some sick-ass leather pants. Wanted to ask. He didn't.

Love Swayze. Wanted to ask, didn't? He smelled good, too. What do you think his clone was? I think if I had to ID it, by Rado Anna Malik, but I didn't want to call him out. I didn't want to call him out.

How do you know that, Jack? The nose, nose, baby. The nose, nose, nose. Oh, my. I've been sniffing, baby. Can you say that again? Byredo in a Malik. The nose, nose.

That's why I was scared. I didn't want to ignore Tom Ford guy. Ooh, I like that. Today I'm wearing Bayrido blanche. Just for anybody keeping score out there. A clone heads. Hey, this is a snippet. That one of you.

Okay. We like it. Straight up, straight up. Maybe now we know what a good Hanukkah gift is for old Matt. Maddie, let's hit the Byrato store, baby. By the way, isn't that like the number one stocking stuffer from your mom? It's got to be, some Dracar noir.

What was the hot bod? I remember getting the hot bod. They came in like the sprayer. Sprayer. That was a classic. An absolute classic. That was Axe before Axe. That was Axe before.

That was Axe with worse marketing. Yes. That was Axe before social media maybe. Yep. Middle schoolers, bro. These social media has built a lot of these brands. Oh, full on. Full on.

Hot bod could have been it. Hot bod could have been it. Hot bodd really could have been it. And they always like, I remember the ads in the, like in CBS. They got with like the eight-pack. Yeah.

It's just straight-abs. Oiled up eight-back. It's awesome. What were dads always wearing? Dad's the, after shave. I see it in my head and I smell it. It's like a black bottle.

Let me see. Avery would know it. No, I'm trying to think like a wrong episode. Like an English leather? Was it like English leather one of those? No. We'll get it. Tell us in the comment section.

Let's hear. I know everyone knows what I'm talking about. Aqua Velva. It could have been that. Stetson. was a big one, I think. No, what else? Let me look.

George. Remember Michael Jordan Cologne? I did. I can't see here. Old spices in there. It could have been. Old spices was up there, too. Oh, brute.

How about brute? Brute. Yeah. That's what it was. There it is. My dad used to wear brute. Frank was a brute man. I like that.

Oh. Shout out, dude. That smells like just a 90s man. It just smells like, man. It does. It does. Like, and it hits you in the face. too. My dad would come out after Shay

when we go out to like a dinner or something. I'd be like, whoa. Brewed it up. Franks brewed it up. Well, that was awesome. I didn't know this would turn into the Cologne corner. I'm sorry. I mean, you never know.

Games with names. One of my favorite things to talk about. We talk about Cologne. We talk about leather pants. Leather pants, shades indoors. Did he have a chain too? I want to say there was. It was like a long one, yeah.

Which is a cool style. Swaggy. Swaggy. Swaggy. Really swaggy. You know. I like that he. He's an SD guy too now. Living that San Diego life.

I need to. Chill. He back. It fits him. Yeah. I'm a long way from South Carolina. Long way. The real SC, he said. The real, that was...

1700? We might get some blowback in the comments for that one. We might get some blowback. He did have the years, though. He brought receipts. Sheesh. Couldn't argue with those.

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