Games with Names - Aqib Talib on the 2015 AFC Championship | Patriots vs. Broncos

Episode Date: February 17, 2026

Aqib Talib is in studio! The Super Bowl winning cornerback is with us to relive a classic edition of the storied Broncos vs. Patriots rivalry: the 2015 AFC Championship Game. We're talking his days on the Patriots, his favorite receivers to battle with, and a whole lot more.  (00:00) We kick things off with Aqib Talib. (37:22) We go back to January 2015. (43:55) We get into the teams (1:07:31) We dive into the game. (1:36:10) We score the game. Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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mile high Denver, Colorado. With a Super Bowl trip on the line, it's Brady versus Manning for all the marbles. And it all comes down to a two-point conversion. This is the 2015 AFC championship

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a production of IHeart Radio. Welcome to Games with Names. Today we are looking at the 2015 AFC championship between the Patriots and Broncos here with Akeeb freaking Tilibe. Unchane. Akeep Taleb. Unchane.

They don't know about that. They don't know about that. We'll get into that. We got our chains on today. But in one sentence, Akebe, my guy, why this game? The funniest game of my life. Whoa. This was the funniest game of my life, bro.

This was my Super Bowl. Why? I mean, Camdenham, that was a great game, but that wasn't no fucking Super Bowl. Like, we knew we was going to beat the shit out there. We knew the win out of this game is going to win the Super Bowl. You know what I'm saying? So we prepared for this game like it was the Super Bowl. Camdenham ran like nine plays, bro.

It was like, you feel you? We knew we were going to beat the shit. They wanted to line up and kind of just... Bitch out of keep it. No, real shit. They wanted to line up and just bully you, right? I mean, y'all won't go line up and bully us, bro. Like, we knew nobody won't go line up and bully us.

Now, y'all, shit, y'all come out too tight-in' ins. Y'all come out 21 personnel. Y'all could come out 11. Like, we ain't know what kind of, what offense we was going to face. You know what I'm saying? First, we got to figure that out. Then we're going against you. We're going against the goat.

You feel me? It's Bill. We'll get into the game more. We'll get into the game more. Is this the greatest game of all time? Ooh, greatest game of all the time. It's up there. It's up there.

It's definitely, I mean, it's some great games out there. So I don't know if we can stamp it the greatest game of all time. But to you? To you. To me, this is the greatest game of all time. Yeah, it is. That's awesome. We always ask all our guests that because we want to see how important this game is to that person.

Oh, this is the greatest game of all. To me, for sure, greatest game of all time. Awesome. So what are we up to these days? man working man same thing you're doing man a lot of mics in our face and shit you know what I'm saying we want the money that we made to just keep on making money and then we want to pay our bills with all this shit right here exactly same shit you're doing you know what where we're working at the arena grid iron man I'm watching I just wanted to hear coming yeah yeah hey it's live

it's a it's a it's the perfect vibe for leave you know what I'm saying it's I had I had some little Amazon action, I would have been buttoned up. Here we go. And like, you know, you feel me? I had Fox action. This is the perfect vibe for lead, man. I love it. You kill it and you do a great job.

Thank you, brother. I mean, even when he's over here breaking down this game that we're not supposed to get into yet until we have to get into, he's talking personnel groups and shit. And he's talking about the nine plays that Cam played in. You know what I mean? That's what I mean. That's what people don't realize. Akeeb, the great corners.

The great corners are fucking geniuses. I ain't no ball, for real. And he taught, he brought up those personnel groups because he's doing math in his head. With that personnel group, they have seven plays out of this. This guy runs these three, like, that's how

fucking mathematician these fucking great corners are. That's real. Now, how is it fucking working with Skip Bayless arguing against this guy all day? I love Skip. You know, you have no idea. All you know is, What's on Twitter?

You feel me? You get there, man. Skip showed nothing but love, bro. He's the nicest dude in the world. Man, we do what we do on set, offset, man. Skip asks about your family. He asks about, he's just real genuine, man. He's a pro.

He's a pro, man. I love working with Skip. Yeah. I love it. It's nothing that I don't love about it. What's the craziest take Skip has had? The craziest take Skip his hat is probably his time and not being able to be an owner and work for Fox because he's getting this inside information. It's a conflict of it.

So much scheming. Skip really thinks that on. Yeah, Skip really think that though. Like, oh, he's getting the information and nobody's going to want to talk to him because of the info. And I'm like, Skip, I don't did these production meetings. It ain't even that serious. No. It's like, how are you doing?

Because they ain't going to say anything anyways. That's what I'm telling him. Like, Skip, we are programmed to not tell you shit anyway. You know what I'm saying? So, hey, it is what it is. You feel me? Now, how do you win an argument against Skip? I win them all the time.

I'm striking Skip as. I win them all the time. You know what I'm saying? Don't just come with your? your info, your insight, man, I'm saying.

Whop the shit, I skip on the, on the debates. Now, how much football are you watching and how much homework are you doing

for this show? Because I, when I watch, you're fucking, you're dialed with all your stats. It's a lot, man. You know, I got my setup.

I got the theater screen with the main game. I got the four games going on the side. So I follow those and really watch this one. We get a nice little rundown.

What we're going to cover? I make sure I go watch those games, the condensed version. a 30-minute version. I go watch those games, man. I'm a football fan, man. I love watching ball anyway.

You know what I'm saying? It's just give me a reason to really lock in and do it. Honestly, if you watch the game, you can talk. You just got to watch the game because you can pick up three or four things that people really won't see. Exactly. And all you got to do is watch the game. That's all you got to do is watching, bro.

Now, you grew up in Cleveland until you were 12. Then you went to Dallas. Which teams did you follow as a kid? for football, baseball. I was Cleveland in Trenton, New Jersey. My dad was in Triton, New Jersey, so I kind of school here, summer there. Then school here, summer there,

all the way until I was 12. But we was Cowboys fans, man. Big Bro had me locked in. He used to fucking test me. Hey, who is this? Nate Newton, Guard. Who is this? That's Darrell Johnson.

He used to test me with these cowboy cars. That's where my love for the game came from. Big Bro, man. I'm telling you, he died hard, Cowboys fan. he was Emmys Smith, I was Irving until Dion came, then I was Dion we're in the street with it, man. So, Cowboys fans, man.

Did you have those deons that were like the zebras? I did. With the strapped, with the gold. One Christmas. One Christmas. I'm telling you, I don't want nothing to know that. I just want the Deons. The Deons.

Give me the Deons. He got me the Deons in the Madden. Madden was icing on the cake. You didn't have the primetime CD? No, no. Time keeps on ticket. It's right back there. We're from the trenches.

We used to listen to gangster shit. We're listening to real DMX and Biggie and, you know what? Yeah, I want to listen to No Prime. I want to play like Prime. I didn't want to listen to his music. Now, should Prime get some looks as the head coach of Cleveland since it's still open or what? I mean, how can you not? How can you not?

You know, I think Prima put together a great staff and the morale of the building to be all the way up if he came in. But Prime I want to, man. He got his hands full. He likes the challenge that he got in front of him right now, you know what I'm saying? I don't think he fulfilled that challenge yet. He got to come get to the college football playoffs and compete. And then he'd be like, yeah, I told you. Like, Prime ain't going to fail in nothing.

You know what I'm saying? At Colorado. At Colorado. You got a nephew there. Yeah, I got a nephew there. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Little meal.

Y'all mill to lead, man. I'm telling you, Edge, 6-2, long-ass arms, 245. he ain't even 21 yet He's not even 21 He's 2.45? He's gonna be able to hold edge At 245 Yeah that's their size now

That's a regular edge But I'm telling you When it's time for him To shoot his shot He's gonna hold that 255 258 easy He looked right now He looks skinny

He got those long Long ass arms man Hey Playmaker man I was gonna say What's run in the family Playmaker brother He's a playmaker man

That was a key right there Long arms playmaker right at the line of scrimmage offhand jam Quick app Just got to watch his feet If they're staggered

You got them going But if they're regular way He's gonna let you go Yeah He'll be patient Let you shoot your shot And then he's just gonna Sometimes I usually

Smaller receivers I'm gonna let y'all do all that I'll back up let y'all do all that Then show my quickness And shit You know what I'm saying He was I show my quickness

You gotta have moves on that line though You can come with the same shit Every time Akeep got me to be such a better receiver because when he first got there to the Patriots, do you remember they used to make you do one-on-ones after practice against me? Hell yeah. To get you in shape or something? Yeah, I was a mid-season acquisition.

So they really are just trying to see what all I can do. You know what I'm saying? Can he play in the slot? Can he do this? So, hell yeah, I mean, one time, bro, they had me after practice catching passes from time. Yes, he was catching passes as well. No way. Through like 25 balls.

I was dog tired. I'm like, shit, I got to go, though. This is the opportunity of a lifetime. It must ain't go that well because I ain't never get no action. You're about to be like prime time going both ways. I thought it went well, though. I thought this shit was cool. Your first game in, right?

We'll get into it, but your first game, pick six? Yep. Get into Colts. Andrew Luck. You had him a few times. Andrew, I love him. I'm missing. You know what I'm saying?

Come back to the game, Andrew. He used to throw me pick sixes, man. I love him. I used, there's six to seven throws a game from Andrew Luck that he was just throwing in team meetings. Every time we play him, we were guaranteed you had a pit. We used to get him back two, three times a game. You know what I mean? Because this is a good quarterback though, but, hey, man, confident.

He's going to try to make them throw them. He would, he would, that was his thing. He would sit back there and make those throws. Who are some receivers you love watching that you think you would love to just get your hands on nowadays? Like, you're playing right now? Jamar Chase, man. I think he is. He the best receiver in the lead to me, so I would love the old lead to get a chance to match up with Jamar Chase.

I'm saying. He did realest one doing it. He's the coldest one out there. I want to go against the cold, it's for sure. I think he's elite. He's just because he's got everything. He do. He's got that explosive quickness.

Yep. You can't give him a cushion because he can run past you. Yep. he's strong through the catch points he catches he plucks that thing and guys hit his arms and he just doesn't I mean he's a fucking he got the 50 50 ball oh I'm saying he got the balls back shoulder deep he can hit you on an in cut you can catch a screen and get out of there gone I'm saying like catching run then you got to you got to tackle him and he's fucking strong and he he's six feet he's not like a small no he got the size you I'm saying so he's the total package man for real then I then

George Pickens, man, we just have a nice little... That's just you want to fight. Yeah, I just want to squabble with George I'm a fan, George. Don't take that the wrong way. I love to play against you just because we're from that same cloth, you know what I'm saying?

We're going to go all day, you know what? I love to play against George, too. You wouldn't gang his chain. No, that's a different type of... You know what I'm saying? That's a different type of rivalry right now. I know. It's like little bro, big bro. Like, we're from, say,

me and crap that's a different type of rivalry what rivalries that's a a a Dallas thing you know what I'm saying we both from Dallas that's a so that's been happening it ain't really been that that's stirred that works snowballed to that it's snowballed to that for sure didn't I used to say shit to you you ain't gang in my chain or something in the locker room hey we used to say all I got this shit bro I'm you walking by a key would be in his locker I just you ain't ganking this chain You can get it by chain Uchang

The story David The unchain though Unchane What was unchain? Because I had one chain And it was a guy named two chains But I always had that one chain So you know

I appreciate the nickname brother Oh that's legendary We had great times in that locker room Man, they don't even know it People think it was so unfun there But it was fun Winning is fun It was very fun

Who are some of of the corners that you think are ballers right now? Pat for sure. Certain. Pat looked like his daddy was a cornerback and he grew up getting taught technique, you know what I'm saying, which is really what happened. And he looked exactly like that. Stingley, a baller. His movement is crazy. He got great ball skills, man. Got that Revis body. Yeah, he got that Revis body. It's where you're like in between a long guy, but you're still a powerful guy. But when you see him in person, you're like, oh shit, it ain't as short as he really look. And on that.

TV. Good balance too. Exactly, man. Who else, man? Them the top two, them the top dogs. Gonzalez? Yeah. Christian Gonzalez is a player too. He's fat. He's just sticky. Straight sticky. He's like in that

sauce world. They're going to have more strap games than pick games. Yep. You know what I'm saying? Because you really, they big corners. They always in position, so you don't even really want to mess with it. You know what I'm saying? So, Denzel, Denzel, super athletic, man. Great movement. Get that ball. You know what I'm saying? Who's the? Lassiter. What is it? Lasseter

Lasseter on Houston. Whistingly is another good corner. He get a lot of targets because of Stingley so that allowed him to make a lot of plays. Now what do you think about Moss, white boy out of Denver? I like Mots, man. Because they'd be picking on them. Well, if you play on a Patrick Sertan. You play on the other side of Pat. You're going to get picked on. Just simple as that. I'm saying. I don't care who you is. He makes plays. And he makes plays, bro. And he always in position. He got very athletic, man, great size. You see him in person, he's probably bigger than me. Like, I'm telling you, man, he got great size, great speed. He's like Seahorn. Sticky coverage, man. He really is. Seahorney. Shout out Seahorn. Always in position, bro. Always in position. I like Riley, man.

I love Riley as our number two corner. Now, the game's changed, hadn't it? A lot, man. Since we played. A lot. It's, you know, what's something you hate about the game these days. I hate the illegal touching down. Like, come on, brother. Like, we want points that bad that we can't even lay a finger on him. Can't. After five yards, like, bro.

Then it's wishy-washy because you let some guys do it. And I was one of the guys they actually let play. You got to be consistent. Yeah, man. Like, you let guys do it. And then at the end of a game, and third down, you just illegal touch and holding. Like, bro, that's the part of the game. You almost could call that on any play.

Every play. You feel me? All you guys are just trying to cover your cheating up. Exactly. It's just the best guys are like the sneakiest guys that know how to get you low. They be grabbing. That's what Akeeb did. He hold you low.

I'm going like a motherfucker. Period. Every play. Every play, bro. So I look at it. I used to look at it. I tell my high school guys and I work with and stuff like, I look at it like this. We on a time crunch here.

You feel? me, we only got about three and a half hour window to be on this TV, right? You're going to call holding every fucking play? Like, we only got time for that shit. I'm going to hold and hold and hold and keep on playing. And eventually he's going to be like, all right, he's just playing like that. Like, you can't call it every play, right? Yeah.

I'm establishing how we plan out here, not the refs, you know what I'm saying? Simple as that. I mean, you might as well hold them because a hold calls better than a touchdown. Fatsy. And if you do it. consistently, they can't call it every play. I can. The game would be five fucking hours.

Describe your style of playing corner? My style of playing corner is get that fucking ball. That's what I'm trying to do, man. I'm trying to get the ball. I'm trying to tackle well. I'm trying to take away deep balls. You know what I'm saying? That's my style right there, man.

a smart ball hawk who can tackle good. And once you get your hands on and take it back, pick six, because how come you always had those? Hey, man, I'm really a wide out. You know what I'm really? I'm really a wide out of heart. He used to say this shit in a locker room every day. I'm telling you.

If you look at high school. A kid would just be, I'm really a wide out. I'm telling you, bro. If you look at high school all the way through Kansas, like I got balls actually thrown to me in the game, I did work at receiver. That was your straight.

Ball skills, guy. I had ball skills. Can't nobody guard me, bro. I used to be in the NFL like, bro, like, Chris, bro, you can't guard me, bro. Like, you know what I'm saying? If I was a receiver, Chris, bro, you can't guard me, bro. For real.

I can't mess with all my teammates. Like, bro, y'all really can't guard me, bro, for real. Did it ever happen at the end of practice? Nah, probably not, but, man, them dudes can guard me, man. I was nice. My ball skills was nice. I know. Then I got Twitch.

I got Routts. Like I understand how to how to work, leverage. You be in your little slant. I remember you running those 101s. You hit that slant. Arms out here. Arms out here. You feel me?

You don't know where I'm going with it. You know what I'm going to. Then I stutter you. Where did you guys work in the safe route? All right. Akeve, you just read it running a slant or a fade because it was in the red area. Yep. The safe route.

Wait, did you ever ask Bill to let you line up a little bit? I mean, I ain't never asked you. Bill was He was serious I ain't going I'm gonna play around about some other shit I ain't gonna play around

about I feel you like let me play receivers Bill like get the fuck like you get your ass out there

who I need you to cover like but now I ain't never asking me and Bill got a great relationship too

I still talk to him but now I ain't ever asking though man you get the if you start corner in the league

bro smoke gas and shit be too tired for that shit for real man I ain't really had a juice to go both ways, for real. Not in the NFL, maybe in college and shit.

So you don't think, what's his name could do it? Travis. Travis? Travis. Travis, don't smoke, don't drink. He go to sleep. He take care of his body. See, that's Travis' supercar.

But this is what happens when you try to play both ways. Your body gets worn down and you get hurt. See, I don't think that's why he got hurt. I don't think his body got worn down and he got hurt, just got hurt. Just the same way anybody can get a guy who played one. Yeah, but when you're, when you're, when you're, you got hurt. you're tired, the cuts and stuff that you subconsciously are making in your head are going a little slower or something maybe. It could be. It could be. But, I mean, if he did it in high

school, he did it at a super high level in college almost to the point we ain't ever seen nothing like this before. Yeah, but you're playing against not every guy's an NFL guy. I understand that. But your, your competitive level goes up a thousand times higher against a guy that's probably even 30% bigger, 30% faster. You know what I mean? So that's just a lot. Even just guarding one-on-ones, that's a lot. People don't realize that's hard to do daily when you do it in fucking your

one-on-one drills every day. That's like a lot of work for a guy's body, like the breaking down, the this or that, the competition, then you've got to go run route. Like, that's hard. It is. I'm not saying it's not hard. But I'm saying if you, if a guy is, going to do that.

I don't think he can drink. No, you can't. That's fucking up your soft tissue. All that shit. He's dehydrating you. That's what he's a video game kid. That's what I'm saying. So I think if you are going to do that, you got to be like Travis.

And then I, that's how I would have did. I do it in situations, bro. I'll let him start corner. You know what I'm saying? You're a great. You're a top corner if you ask me. I'll let him start corner. And then I just let him.

Third down. Third down red zone, bro. That's it. Like, my playbook could be. smaller. I'm saying. I don't got to know as much shit. I ain't going to do it much injury. And that's the most important play, most important times on the field, third down red zone.

But they don't even need them on offense right now. Not that Jacobi Myers. He opens up everything. Brian Thomas, they also have the other young kid. 11, Washington's really good. The office skyrocket, really. They start taking off once they ain't have to worry about getting Travis the ball and doing all that. I'm so. I'll have him at corner for sure.

And then he's just a unicorn. So, He'd definitely be in the mix on third down, red zone for me. Yeah, I like, I think he's a baller. We'll be right back after this quick break. This month, IHeart Radio is celebrating the stars of the 2026 Winter Games. Kiwascom, Wisconsin's own Jordan Stoltz is moving faster than anyone else on Earth. The young phenom has taken the speed skating world by storm,

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Listen to the Sixth Bureau on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You got to play with some awesome corners. Ronde, Barber. I did, man. Derell Revis. I didn't play with Revis. You didn't play with Reeve and Tamp? Mm-mm.

We, we, we. I left he came, then New England saying I left he came. So I ain't never played with me. What did you learn from Ronde? How to watch tape. Ronde, Ronde really taught me how to set my notebook up and how to watch tape. Like, I won't watch it no motherfucking tape. How do you watch tape?

I watch it first second down through personnel. So I watch 21 personnel. I'm either going to be on the single receiver side or the tight end side. And single receiver side, I watch the tape. And if I keep seeing the route recur, reoccur, reoccur, I'm writing it down. So on the single receiver side, stop route, slant, fade. If I see it right one time, I ain't writing it down. On the tight end, on the tight end receiver side, I'm going to just write down what route

keep on coming up. And I had the top three routes. Ten yard down. Anything else? I'm just playing football. But I'm going to know, okay, they're 21 personnel, boom. They break, tight in on my side, slant fade hitch or whatever. My three routes, them are the three routes that I'm anticipating.

If you run something else, then I'll be a cornerback. I'll be a professional cornerback and I react to it. But I just go through every formation like that, 21, then 12, then 11 on early downs. and then I go third down 11 12 then a bunch if they're in bunch

they do these like I just it's a big test bro I just write down the routes in these formations and then when y'all break the huddle

y'all come out in this formation it's like I'm taking the test if I can't think of shit I just play my technique but if I got an idea oh he can run this over route

usually I'm right because you know how offense is y'all do it's just like playing the game y'all gonna do what the fuck y'all do right you could we could turn to

matting on right now you're going to run your shit you've been running against everybody you ever been playing you feel me it's the same so it's a big test man you got to put that time in and memorize this shit and be able to go to it as they break the huddle and shit so that that's how i watch tape randay taught me how to organize my notebook listen first second down 10 11 12 21 third down's probably going to be 11 or 12 red zone get your top concepts take them away besides that be a Pro play ball. How your premium looks. These day, best plays, they run these plays every fucking week.

If they run these plays, I'm picking it. Had them premium looks. Shit. Ronde put me on that. Man. Shout out Ronde. Shout out Ronde. What kind of guy was Ronde?

He was a straight pro guy. Ronde was a pro, man. Just, you know, never late, never miss a day. Never sick. Like, how the fuck you never sick? Like, you ain't got a cold or nothing about that? Like, goddamn. He just...

You feel me? Hey, he's just, man, just a pro-man. Got the woman who take care of his body put me on to her. Like, just a real pro's pro. You know, I caught him in later years as well. So just a real pro-man. You ever meet Tiki? I probably met Tiki.

I really got no stories on it or nothing. But I'm sure I did. I was around Ronde so many times. You think they've ever pulled a switcharoo? No, no. They look different, though, to me. So I could tell. If I was like, my fucking, you ain't Rondeet.

If they did try, I probably would have called it out. I'd have been able to tell. That's you, Tiki, I got you. I don't know. You can't fool me. The McCordy's, I could tell them apart. Yeah, I can tell them McCordy's apart, too. Jason's, like, got a little something right here is a little darker.

And they're just different. They just different. They just different. You're not deaf. Like, I just know dead face so good. Dev's got like a six head. You know what I mean? They built the same.

I think Jason got better hairline. I think they face. They face is. is different. They're so funny. I love it. Yeah, that's funny. They're killing it on TV, too.

They are, man. They are. They're on every. I got all four channels. They're on everything. They own everything, man. Now, who's your favorite quarterback to pick off? My favorite quarterback, just period, is probably Jason Campbell.

He threw me three in the game. I love that dude. He threw me three picks in the game. Got him. Wait, was that when he was on Washington? Hey, you feel me? When he was on Washington? Yeah, we went to Washington.

He threw me three picks. We still lost the game. Like, how did he get three picks you lose the game? Oh, my gosh. Could have been four picks, man. I ran into my safety on one of them. But I love Jason Campbell, but probably Andrew Luck, though. Andrew Luck threw me, threw me like three, I think, and two to the crib.

So, you know, something about Andrew Luck, man. I score on his interceptions. So what goes through your mind when you get in the ball and you pick it? Just house call. House call. It's weird as shit, right? Because it goes so quiet. It just gets like extremely quiet.

And you could just hear that. Then when you score, it's like, ha, like where was the crowd at just now? It's weird, bro. I'm telling you, it's so weird. This motherfucker you should do that when he was covering you too.

That's all you can hear. I got you. How many action figures you play with when you were a kid? Oh, Nick. Oh, we used to play games. Like, all right, like, it used to be all the dudes outside, right? Like, all of the gangsters, niggas outside. You feel, me, the real gangsters.

We used to have a toy. All right, this Larval, this smooth, this, this is car. This a, this a, this a, this a, this a, this a, this a, a, this a, a, this a, a, this a, a, This is a Bins of 5.0. Like, me and my brother, I used to like, with my brother, I used to be like, and you were playing a game, we just called it playing a game

where we go get the toys and we act like with the guys outside and, or we act like we're playing football. Like, I used to play. We used to have every set of turtles. Know how the turtles used to come out like, it's the scuba turtles. Then you had to hit hot turtles.

What are these turtles? Like the Ninja Turtles, bro. Oh, yeah. Used to get the four pack of like the football turtles. They all have on football. The basketball turtles. bro, we used to have like 12 sets of turtles.

I love the turtle. Who are your guy, too. Who's the guy? Who's your guys? Who's your turtle? Oh, Michelangelo for show. You know, he was the personality. Pizza? Calabunga.

Yeah, yeah. He was the personality. Who you think was my guy? You probably was the Raphael. Yeah. That's my brother. I really, you're the Raphael. I got Robbie.

Serious. Nah. Asshole. I should stay with the action figures, though, bro. It made me real creative, man. Like, you feel me? I grew up playing with action figures. Yeah.

That was our time. That was our time, bro. That was our time. Cartoon with action figures, man. To go back to your pick six, your pick six against Virginia Tech in the 2008 Orange Bowl, I think about like every week. I'm a big of a Virginia Tech guy, and I think about that so many fucking times. So just.

That was, that was a premium op before Ronde taught me what a premium op was. Like, we was like, they throw these out routes. That probably was the only, that and the double moves off the out routes and the outrouts. It was like they line up right here. They line up right here. As soon as they get at this split and at the top of these numbers, they fin to run these speed outs. My motherfucker came on top of these numbers.

The first one, I said, they better not throw this shit over here. They'd not throw this shit over here. I'm sitting on it. I just told myself they throw it is gone. And whoop Tyrod Taylor, it was gone, man. It was like. Tyrod's still in the league, too. That's crazy.

Sinal league, man. Hey. Shout out. Appreciate it, Tyrod. It was a layup. It ain't getting no easier, bro. Like, that's how college is, though, man. Hey, bro.

I think back to college, it was like, man, it was so simple. Yeah. It was like so simple. What do you think about college is easy? And all reds are so sick. It's crazy now. It's pro football. It's semi-pro for real.

It's semi-pro for real. my pro man guys getting millions guys is training teams free agency hey man it's it's it's it's different like a lot of these guys ain't gonna have like i can go to kansas and i'm the man my name in the rafters you feel me i call the athletic director get my get me a room in the flight and i get all set like a lot of these guys ain't gonna have that you know what i'm saying a lot of these guys don't realize too that you can't chase the little nut you know you need a little adversity you know you need a little Yeah. You know what I mean?

You can't just be transferring because if they could just wrap their mind around one thing, if they get a second contract in the national football league, they're going to be worth a half a billion dollars now. So why would you mess around with,

you know, a lot of these guys that are hitting it, quitting it, going to another school, getting paid, it's kind of weeding out the idiots. But a lot of this. It's weeding out a lot of the things,

a lot of the idiots for the pros because now you're getting to see with a guy, how he deals with money. You're getting to see a guy how he deals with Eversy. You can see if things don't go guy's way, he's going to transfer.

But let me tell you this, though. So to the player's point, because my nephew is going through it right now, right? Sometimes it ain't even them who want to transfer. He went to Oklahoma State out of high school, Gundy Nem fired. Yeah. Well, that's different.

The next guy, like, hey, man, you probably want to get into a portal. I like my edge is 6'5 and up and 6'4 monsters, 300. Like, nephew got to go into portal. He'd get in the portal, go to UNC. Charlotte. He balled. Do I want to stay at UNC Charlotte? Then show some

like, no, I ain't, this is not what I want. I want to be in the power for playing big time football. So he balled one year. He there six months. Prime called my phone. Boop. Now he had Colorado. So to his point, he's one of those, he had his third school, but he don't want to be at his third school. It just happened like that, you know what I'm saying? Now, hopefully he get to stay at Colorado for the rest and that'd be his spot. But It's not just the players. You feel me? A 1,000%

Cut you. They're cutting guys. You can get cut as a scholarship high school guy, a scholarship college guy. They can cut you? You can get cut. It's Wild Wall West, bro. You feel me?

So, hey, man, today credit, it ain't all they fought, man. No. No, no. It ain't all they fought. Can we talk real quick, too, about the 2007 Kansas? Like, your season was incredible.

You guys came in and then you end with that border roar. Matchup number two, Kansas, number three, Missouri. Yeah, yeah, that was crazy. That season was crazy because we felt like we was super talented. You know what I'm saying? We felt like, oh, we got action. You know what I'm saying? We ain't know how much action, but we knew we could be good, man.

Who was your quarterback? Todd Reeseing. Yeah, number five? Yep. Little dude. A little firecracker, bro. He was beer pong master. Like, you feel me?

Never serious, but was a damn. dog on that field like keep the play alive scrambled it to throw it you know what I'm saying he was a dog on that field shit on our defense we had we had four NFL guys on our defense how what you mean how how can just get four NFL guys that shit I don't know bro the McDonald's back the the group of guys we had I mean it was it was shit dero stuckie he played with the charges pro bowl a few times he played like 10 years with the charges Chris Harris, me. Shit, Mike Rivera,

he played on the Patriots, you know what I'm saying? I don't know if you remember him. You know, I don't know if you remember him. You know, I remember Mike. Mike Rivera, look, I'm talking about Mike Rivera. I'm probably leaving somebody out, but that's four NFL guys right there on one of people. He had the widows peak.

Yeah, yeah. You know, like Eddie Munster. Man, Gino could recruit, bro. He was a hell of a recruiter, man. On offense, shit, we had some guys. Marcus Henry played in the league. Anthony Collins was our left tackle playing in the league, man. So we had some guys, man.

So it was just a group of guys who Manjino put together. And shit, you had the right group of guys who were going to inject that confidence into the team. We had that shit rolling, man. Best Mangino story. I didn't know him. His team meetings was crazy because he was kind of like Bill. He's going to call your ass out. You know what I'm saying?

He said one time he was talking to one of our running backs. I'm like, we got a guy who got a fucking hang nail. He used to get on your ass. Like, he ain't like you being hurt, man. He used to call your ass out. And he always had somewhere that he was going to send you. I send you back to, and it was specific to each person. So for me, it was I seen you back to that hole in the wall you climbed out of.

I'm like, damn. You feel me? Hey, I've seen you back to that country town. You slid, you crawled. He had all kind of sayings, bro. I love this shit out man's, you know, because he was real, bro. He was dead-ass serious. He was real.

He got, if you was a six, he got an eight out of you. You know what I'm saying? He knew how to get it all out of the players. He made our off-season. like hella competitive. He split us up into like seven teams. Red, yellow, blue, gold. Split us up in like seven teams and everything was a competition.

You miss class. You lose points. If your team got perfect attendance, this. The weights, the max, you know what I'm saying? The weights all that added up. We did an obstacle course at the end. He just made, he made that team super competitive, bro. And we had the pieces.

I feel like he helped us get that competitive edge. and we had the right group of guys. Me, T, A, C, we just injected confidence into the team. And shit, man, next thing you know, we're playing in the Orange Bowl, bro. Crazy, man. Kansas football, baby. Kansas football, man. Kansas football.

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That was his Oscar. That's right. Excellent movie You liked it all Loved it That bear? Hell yeah Keep your big

Real story Oh I love movies Yeah me too man I watch all the movies Daddy's home The Big Short Hateful A All in the box office

You like those Daddy's home They're more like The little comedys Kids for kids and stuff Hateful eight I probably watched all those I don't remember

I'm too much though Yeah I didn't remember Any of those The Big Short was good It's one of those Stock movies Whatever Shake Shack goes public

you like shake shack love shake you're a burger guy right yeah yeah love shaking you should have it at our house right or at the

fat Fridays every once in a while mm-hmm Shake Shack was that's they got chicken sounds they got a nice little variety

yeah I'm saying what they mean you I love shake shack shake check you got to pick one I'm going

in and out Oh come on I'm going to shake not even close I'm going to shake shack all day Shake shack Shake shack is

it's good It's good but in and out is an experience All right it is second to none I've never had Waterburger.

Do you like Waterburger? I love Waterburger. What do you order at Waterburger? Are you like one of those Chitty Chicken Biscuit guys? No, hell no. I get the barbecue. I get the barbecue burger. You know what I'm saying?

Barbecue sauce. They give it with onion rings and barbecue and that shit fired. That's my go-to, but you can get whatever at Waterburger, man. They got a great menu. The little breakfast tiquitos, man. Yeah. Get the motherfuckers at three in the morning after the club. Shit, man.

I love Waterburger, man. They stay open like that? They stay open late like that? Yeah, they're 24. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, they open late. Damn. That's what, that's a plus.

I got to get on that. This year, the Super Bowl champions were the Denver Broncos. That's right. MVP, Cam Newton, Ohio State took the Natty, and the Heisman trophy winner, Derek Henry. Man, Cam. He was a beast this year. No, Cam, Cam was going crazy, man. He, his game, he was, they game was crazy.

They was a power, a power run team. Cam was part of that power run game. Extra blocker. And then they'd keep all them guys in. Foop takes shots. Big overrouts, big post, big corner routes. I'm saying. And Cam was dropping doms, man.

So they was doing their shit. I think they won. They only lost like one game that year. People don't realize when you have a guy like Cam, which is very similar with how Drake May is getting played. you can manipulate coverage because everyone's scared that he'll take off and run. So instead of bringing a thief or a robber in the middle of the field to cover, you got to bring that guy down.

To spy. And spy. Or you got to bring someone else to spy. So then he has more time. You get those downfill routes. And that's hard for a corner. Hell yeah. You know, when you're not getting any help and they're getting time in man coverage.

I mean, that's cool and all. But he had Jung Jeezy and Future on the sideline that season. Yeah. He's a Carolina guy. And they're Atlanta guys, man. Yeah, he had the motion. The culture. The culture was definitely on their side.

Cam was the man. I played with Cam. I played with Cam. Cam would come to work during COVID dressed up every day. Every day. Every day. With the hat. I'm like, how do you do this?

Cam? He goes, I do it before I go to bed. Put it together, man. Wake up and go. He would get up super early, get on the treadmill. Like, every day is the first. five miles or something. I mean...

Not Cam a dog, man. He's a specimen. He a legend. He don't get enough love. He doesn't. He don't get enough love, man. He, an MVP, a Heisman trophy winner. Like, yeah.

He won the He won the Heisman, right? Yeah. Yeah. He had arguably the best college football season in the history of love. He don't get enough love, man. He don't get enough love. I like him on the mic now, too. Cam is fucking hilarious.

He don't give a fuck. He don't give a fuck. I'll fuck with him, man. Now, that offense was very simple, but I'll fuck with Cam. fuck we can we had a great plan but if we gonna get into this game yeah we're gonna real quick now we're all right all right what was life like for keeb in in 2016 2016 oh shit that's a crazy year bro that's a that was a thaw year that's a that was a thaw year won the chip right one the chip February got married in March had a nice wedding

it was a nice way it was a great way didn't get the invitation nice weather you know it We had like three. It was maxed out. Maxed out. It was crazy. Probably not a good time either. Probably lost in the mail or something. It was failing.

You know, we was rivals. Yeah, crazy rivals. Wait, where was the wedding yet? It was in Dallas. It was in Dallas. My beautiful wife, Gypsy Tili. Hey, shout out.

Listen, it was an amazing turnout, amazing night. Shit, we had in and out at the wedding. At the end of the wedding, I'm saying, you finish. Everybody thinks it's over. You go outside. In-and-out truck out. Wow. Get this to go.

You know, we had that shit right. That's a wedding, though. That's how you do right now. That's how you do. That money for that second chain that was an in-and-out truck. We dropped that dollar on it. That's that double-double money. So February 2, March, Mary, she had June, hit myself in the leg.

Slum. Crazy wild night out. Slime. I don't hit myself in the leg. You feel me? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I hit myself in the leg. Yeah, yeah.

That was a tough. That was a tough one, man. We were rivals. I was sitting there like, damn, I'm sitting there like, damn, so look, the only thing I'm worried about like, it's my ACL good. Like, you feel, this shit close to my knee.

It's my ACL, it's my tendons. You know what I'm saying? I pray a lot, you feel me? Bullet went in, foote straight down the calf, went out. No damage to no major ligaments, no bones, no nothing. Start the first

game of the season. We're back. I start the first game of the season against Camden. I feel it a little bit. bit, you know what I'm saying? A little limp, but hey, I'm here. I ain't missing no games. No. You feel me? Start the first game of the season. And then 2016, the year after all that she happened,

that's my first team all pro that season. First team all pro. Let's go, baby. Coming off all that. Man, what a year. What a whirlwind year. Crazy year, bro. Let's jump into the game. It's time to get Jackie. Should we run through these Patriots?

Let's run through the Patriots. Shout out to these 2015 Patriots. It started off hot, baby. 10 and O, then week 12, go in to Denver, get their first loss of the year. At the hands of none other than Brock Osweiler. Brazzles. I was out. We got to... We started falling apart.

I know. You and Dola miss that game, bro. Had a lot of injuries. Yep, banged up. Nate sold her out. You guys jump in the count on us. Great. Got to talk about...

Dionne Lewis. Lookin his chops. Speaking of signings, signed Stephen Jackson mid-season, December. Steve and Jackson. Crazy. Blinking, you might have forgot he was on the Patriots. But Stephen Jackson was back there. Lost four of the last six, but ultimately won the AFC East for the seven straight year. I was walking behind Stephen Jackson.

And you know old guy walk. You just don't see the... This was late Stephen Jackson. We got him late. Patriot Stephen Jackson. I was sitting there like, we're going to ride this guy. You know when the legs kick weird? You know, talk about what, because they're worn out.

It's the low back. He feels a low back when he walked. Because we all remember Stephen Jackson on the Madden cover. Right. Man, this was a tough year. I had to tackle that motherfucker in the AFC chip. Yeah. You know he scored a touchdown.

Yeah. He still could run. They blocked it up. Straight forward. Left me and Stephen Jackson. I said, God damn. Stop. Stop.

I fucking ran through me. What do you remember about this New England team? The same as all the other New England teams, man. Just well put together, you know what I'm saying? Tight ends, receivers, backs. Backs who could catch the ball out the backfield. The goat under center, you know what I'm saying? Good defense.

I remember Logan Ryan asked for some reason. Now, everybody got their guy. They played well against. Logan Rice always fucking play good against D.T. He always had great coverage versus D.T. saying, Dev was out there, Chung. Shit, Malk was out there, man. Malk was strappy.

Mout was strappy, man. And it was weird because they put Malk on E and Logan on DT, you know what I'm saying? They double them. Exactly. So good team, brother. It was a good team, man. Now, what was your feeling? Like, how did you feel like we had you?

You were with us. Yeah. We thought it was going to, we were going to win a. soupy with you. Two AFC chip losses. Two. I got hurt in both of them. Now, how did it feel?

Bro. Yeah, that's why we lost against in 13. Man, listen. I felt like the same against the Raven shit. I had Anquam Bowdoin. I got hurt. He started going fucking crazy. Crazy.

I was really hurt. I was really hurt. I heard my shit in practice. I heard my hamstring in practice that year. And then going up to the game, I was trying to get out of these special teams. I'm like, Bill, I don't. If you're good, you're going to play. I'm like, fuck.

All right, fuck it. I'm playing. First punt of the game. I'm blocking on punt return. Ooh, my hamstring. Like, fuck, man. Try to go back in. That shit was out of there.

You know, hamstrings, you can't. It's not like thugging through it. You feel me? At our position. No, not when you're fast. You feel it? It's like when that business is in there, it's done. You know what I'm saying?

So, yeah, man. That wasn't when they had jewels in there playing, wasn't it? Playing DB? No. No, that was the year before. Yeah, that's why we got him. That's why we got him.

We got me and Slater in the DM. But me just coming from New England, man, I knew what type of team we was playing. You know what I'm saying? I knew the makeup, the core. You know what I'm saying? I knew what Bill telling these boys in these meetings. So like I said, I knew this was the chip, man. If we can get through these guys, everything else would be cool.

What's your best Bill's story? Bill Probably Probably the same One of his team meetings Like we probably Thrasse the shit out of somebody I don't know who it was

We probably beat the shit out of somebody Right We come in It's a lot of good energy In a team meeting And Bill just coming at bitch Like what the fuck is we happy for Like we didn't do shit

Like the season don't even start To after Thanksgiving And y'all fucking Kumbaya Over a win against such and such I was new there. I wasn't used to this shit. So I'm like, oh my God.

I thought we did something. You feel him? He really got on our ass. You know what I'm saying? Get right on. He picked Tom out there. Let me get right on time. I'm saying.

So probably one of those stories, though, man. What was the first interaction you had with him? My first interaction with Bill, I got there. I couldn't go in the building until my suspension was done. I got traded while I was on, while I was suspended. So I flew out there. They're like, man, we want you out here a couple days ahead. So right, boom, Monday morning or whatever day, Monday morning.

You could come right in that morning. So bam, I was out there for like maybe like Saturday night. I was there for Sunday. Monday morning, boom, I go in. I'm in a locker. They come give me, hey, Bill, when you come talk to you from, like, go in the office. In my first conversation. Did Bears come get you?

Yeah, probably Burrish. Probably came and got me. You know, birds going. That's what you know. Serious. Yeah. Birds come. Hey, Bill, hey Bill, want to meet with you.

So he sat out. He's like, all right. So this is I think in my plan for you, man. I don't really do this, neither. I think you're going to, I think I'm going to match you up on number one receivers. How you feel about that? I fucking love that shit, Bill. I fucking love that.

You know what I'm saying? Then he said, and I got to ask one favor. The reason I came and got you is because I saw you live when we went to Tampa in practice, right? I saw you. I saw your competitive edge. I saw what kind of leader you was. I need you to bring that here. But the one thing that I did see in Tampa is how you was doing on special teams as that punt returner,

you know what I'm saying, blocking these gunners. You know what I'm saying? How you did Slater. Guys don't do Slater like that. So that's my one favor. I'm going to ask for you. I need you to play punt return for me because a punt return, a special team's play is going, win us some of these big games.

I got you, brother. It ain't nothing. That's shit easy. I'm saying? And if you really think about it, like, y'all used to go crazy on this. Special teams used to win us so many fucking games. But return, to be exact, used to win us fucking games in New England. And I was a part

of that shit. I used to be one of the corners. He was. Sticky on the vice. They could have used a keep in the race last week. I love the game. I love to keep me some time. Physical as fuck on that vice. Take pride. And just because Bill said he needed me to do that. Shit, I'm a do it. So that was that first meet with me and Bill. You know what? That's crazy. Look at that. See that right there though? Akeep Talib was Akeep Taleb when he came to us.

Yep. You know, he was a big time guy. First meeting, the ball coach says, hey, will you play special teams? Mm-hmm. I've been talking about the L.A. Rams, bro. It's going to win you or lose you a game. Get a couple more of them starting on there. Those demons that you have in your mind when you go to sleep on your team, Right. Those come to life in the playoffs. They do. And that's what happened, man. I talk about it all the time.

People don't, I always talk about, like, the special teams, like, that's a weapon. That's why it's called the special teams. Like, you know, they special, bro. I'm telling you, it wins and it loses you games, man. Simple as that. What was the first time you met Tom, like? I don't even remember. I don't even remember for real, but.

I mean, he probably just came up to my locker. He came up to my locker, introduced himself. I'm time Brady. I'm probably starstruck and shit. Yeah, I remember. That's Tom Brady and shit. Like, you know, probably called the family.

Like, hey, Tom came saying it's up to me, you feel? Like, he didn't do it to nobody. The other can say it was up to me. But he probably just came, man. He's a real pro introduced himself, man, told me that they're happy to have me, man, looking forward to it, man. Let's get this shit.

Let's get this chip. Yeah. Now, what made it so hard playing against him once you were a Bronco? Because Tom had the game played in his head already. You know what I'm saying? Y'all do y'all short motions or whatever. He knew exactly what we was in.

And he knew exactly where he was going with the ball nine times out of 10. You know what I'm saying? So he was so smart pre-snap, man. It's hard to play a guy like that because you can't fool him. Like we try to just, all right, any motions, we're just going to bump him. He always has something to know exactly what we was in. I'm saying. So our best bet was to really just try to get them with a four-man rush and drop double the guys we need to double.

Try to take away the middle of the field and hope our edges can get there. So I think that's what propelled us in this game, man. We had the advantage on the edge. Now let's talk about these Denver Broncos in that edge. Jackie, break them down. Before we get into a quick Denver Broncos, Key, it's a got-to-have-it situation. Who would you rather cover, Jules or Dola? The easier cover for me?

Yeah, yeah. What an easier cover from me, probably going to be Dolah. Like, you know what I'm saying? Jewel's just, he just got a, Dola is quick now. I know. But Jewel's just like, Jew's got like this inside foot. He like cut off his, ah, it's like a double foot cut. Like, you feel me?

It's just different. His movement is different. No, I feel you. Dola really just like a straight stick guy. Jewel's just hop and boom, he had cut this way off this right foot. You know what I'm saying? So it's, it's just a little different. It's a tougher cover.

I feel you. We just had to throw that in there for the Dole of hands out there. Go to my guy, though. Love it. That's the truth, right? I learned out of right. Well, he doesn't understand

all those times that we went up against each other in the future. I was just thinking I wouldn't watch his fucking practice routes all the time. Honestly. Should we hit the Broncos here real quick? Oh, man, what a year this was? 12 and 4.

This was the first year the Gary Kubiak era. Got to believe that. This scene was carried. Shout out, man. He's about to be a head coach probably, huh? Yeah, Clint. You deserve it.

Yeah, man, that's a heck of a football family. John Fox out, Kubiak in. This team was carried. No shade of the offense, but carried by that defense. You know, the no-fly zone. You had a key, you had Chris Harris. You had Roeley, you had Ward. Harris a rookie this year?

Nah. Second year. Chris Harris? Yeah. Hell no. They got him in 13? 12. This was a least.

year four for them for four it was four they got them for three or four yeah it probably was year four i would say i would say four he was uh my bad jack no you're good you're good um d t this is fifth year oh yeah fifth year yeah me being off with the ages is contagious uh and then you can't forget about the dudes up front you had you had demarkis where you had von miller you had beasley you guys led the league in sacks 52 can't can't forget keep had two pick sixes this season i mean led the league in total yards allowed only 283 a game passing yards It was just $199 a game. We said 52 sacks.

QB hits led the league, 123, just punishing quarterbacks. And it was also Peyton Manning's final season. Missed a chunk there in the middle. Osweiler came in in November and took over for six games. But Peyton came back in and took over. But got to talk about the offense, too, a little bit. They had weapons. You got Emmanuel Sanders.

You got DT. DT. RIP, Ronnie Hillman, Vernon Davis. C.J. Anderson. Yeah. Crazy, bro. So, I mean, who the heck of the squad? Wilson. What is it?

Owen? What's his, Or, Daniels. They tied in, bro. He's talking about you.

You might have played against him in Pop Warner. He's from Naperville. Yeah. The timing might have worked out that championship. I think we played against each other

in the Super Bowl when we were 12. Crazy work, bro. Od. He was like that, man. He was like that. What do you remember about this Broncos team? Hey, this team right here,

shit, we, we linked up in, and this was our second year there, all the guys, you know what I'm saying? way first year there and

starting in April we just looked around bro like bro this could be the one right here you know what I'm saying if we if we all believe it if we all you know what I'm saying do the right shit

take it seriously this could be the one right here we had no holes zero holes in the defense like they were fucking good no holes you see the guys who don't even get a lot of the credit Danny Trey

You know what I'm saying? And motherfucking Brandon Marshall Then was two dog-ass inside linebackers, man They covering, they hitting They got the green dot, you feel me? Like they was fucking running the show for real They don't get a lot of love From this Super Bowl team

But telling you, they was major parts, bro. We had zero holes in our defense And we felt like easily We can be the best defense in the league for sure We know Wade going to dial up these blitzes Let us play, man Last year Jack Darryo had a doing the weirdest shit.

Like, bro, you brought me here to play 10 yards off and, like, what are we doing? Like, corner blitzing. I don't want a blitz. I just want to strap. Like, you know what I'm saying? He had us doing some crazy shit. Wade came in, man. I feel like he put guys, he let TJ do a lot of blitz

and a lot of covering. He let guys do what they was good at. You know what I'm saying? He put you in position to do what you good at. So we just felt like, man, we could be the best defense in the, league. If we're the best defense in the league, with Peyton, because my first year there, Peyton went crazy. Yeah. Like, with Peyton, oh, shit. We could win a chip easily, bro. So, we felt it in April, bro. We knew this team could be special. We'll be right back after this

quick break. Who is your guys in the team that you hung out with? No fly zone? Everyone, you guys were all Vaughn House was Club 58. Denver nightlife ain't really like that. At any given moment, you know what I'm saying? It's an off day, a Tuesday. I wake up, the family back at the crib, you know what I'm saying? I wake up, go give me a little breakfast somewhere, slide to pull up over Vine House, right?

It's eight, nine guys already there. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? It was a college-style vibe. Frat team. It was a frat type of shit. I'm talking about, man, everything you need is there. You feel me?

Everything you need is over there. I go to the gate, 21, 21. Chris go to the gate, 25. We had our own code. We got to know who's coming in. That's so fire. You got our own codes to the gates. You know what I'm saying?

We get in the gates with your number. TJ, 43, 43. So it was. Did he have chickens there? No, his farm wasn't there His farm wasn't there He had a big ass yard Like he was fin to start the farm

But that's back in Texas But it used to be the guys man To TJ Stu Von Fucking DT You should stay over there Love DT

Like All the way down to God damn Brandon McAderson Bro Our kicker Used to stay At the place

McMananx Let's go I mean Brandon McMannis My head B-Mack he used to stay at the crib like we had casino nights on Thursday

be back there faithfully every Thursday let's go you know what I'm saying he was a part of the team that's why he's beast bro that's probably in that and that Super Bowl run 13 for 13 in the playoffs ain't miss shit like he was a beast he was one of us you know what I'm saying

now talk to me about Wade Phillips what was so different than Del Rio why was he so good you just said it you put you guys in positions but what was like I mean he's a football legend He was around. We played 20 different teams.

And he got his system, right? If you fit his system, if he got the guys to run his system, he run his system. If he don't got the guys to put it like this. When I had him in LA for the Rams, shit, we turned to a cover three team because Marcus Peters ain't really like playing press man like that. He want to be off looking at the quarterback and breaking on shit. And I could play off, look at the quarterback and break on shit. Fuck it, we're going to make this a cover three time.

team. So he put guys, that's just an example of how he put guys in position to do what they good at. So, he was a legend, man. The shit that he used to cook up, man, he had a within his system, he had

a game plan specific for the FC championship game. Like, we switched that up just a little bit. You switched it up in the Super Bowl, in the Rams. In the Super Bowl, not even with the Rams, in the Super Bowl against Camden him. Yeah. We ran straight cover four, right? Cover four. So if you want two, you got whatever,

Wall 2 or whatever. But if your number 2 blocked as a Max Pro guy, green dog, green dog, you know what I'm saying? So we had no blitzed this call, but it looked like we blitzing everybody. And if they're like, all right, they're blitzing, they're doing this, number 2 release, and you play Wall 2.

So it was like, bro, it was genius, bro, because y'all want to do all this Max Pro and y'all want to get us on first down to be in regular cover 4, then Max Pro, two man routers, right? Hell not. We don't green dog this shit. You feel me?

We're on green dog. It's like a hugger. It's like huggers. You know what I'm saying? We hugged every. Hugger, meaning a linebacker, if his guy that he's covering sits and protects, he automatically adds on in blitz. Automatically comes. Oh, okay.

That makes sense. So it was, it was something that we ain't did all year. They were doing that with their defensive backs. So, yeah, we were doing it with the corner with Wade. Mm-hmm. They were blitzing? if they weren't. So the corners,

we're not necessarily going to have a max pro because we got the receivers, you know what I'm saying? But let's just say, if you're in a nasty split or so the receiver's into the boundary is down

and the corner's playing over here. The safety cover four is kind of low in the box, right? So if that tight end that he has to cover, they're basically covering the force, right? If he's sitting and blocking, he's automatically covering.

See, but not the, not the, not the safety. The linebacker is the one who got number two first. If number two try to run the over route and cover four, the linebacker is going walled two. He's not going to let him go across. So if that tight end or that number two stays in and motions in and max pro block, then instead of just him sitting there like, oh, my dude ain't running route,

he's green dog, he blitz. And then the same thing on this side. So it was times we had six guys coming, but we still playing cover four in the back and we still doubling your two-man routes with the corner and the safe. It was fucking genius, bro. It was like, we heard Wade put that in, and we like, oh shit, we're going to fuck him up. Was this the best defense you played on?

Easy. Easy from just the coordinating from Wade and the bodies we had in every position, easily the best defense. Is this one of the greatest defense of all time? Of course. I mean, got to be top five. Like, we won the Super Bowl. I'll rush more of greatest defenses. Let's hear it.

Ooh. I go, uh, the buck. Mm, sap. They won the chip. Brooks. Brooks never missed a snap in his career. Brooks had five touchdowns. How crazy is that?

He never missed a snap. Iron man, bro. Brooks scored five touchdowns. His self. That's like... He's a monster. They scored like eight, nine touchdowns on defense. One, the chip on defense.

Had two touchdowns against Philly and the NSC. That's... So, Bucks are... Unreal. Bucks. Ravens. Which one? Ray Nem.

The 2001. Yeah, the 2000 one. Ed Reed, McAllister at corner. T-Sizzle? Cizzle on the edge. He was slightly late, wasn't he? Lodi Lottie Lottie Lottie. That was one later.

Reed wasn't on that or I don't think Cesarza was on that one. I don't think Ed Reed was on the first one. Tony Sirragusa was. Tony Saragusa was. That was a different. I'm talking about the Lodi Nata one. Okay. Ed Reed.

Okay. Yeah, that one. They were good. You couldn't run the ball on them. We literally went in any time we played them because we had to beat them in the playoffs We played them Josh came into the room says we've been running the ball grays We can't if we run the ball we will lose

Can't do it so we we fuck it we had to run we went naked We made or we went empty and then we had all those crazy formation things fucked with them Okay so we got ravens we got bucks Ravens bucks Leasing a boom Leisure of Boom in there I feel like if you won the chip What about 85 bears?

Well, you know, I ain't really get to watch them. Oh, so this is, okay. That's like a... That was also like 46 defense, bear defense. Like, they had linebackers that were 265, 70 pounds. Like, it's different game. I didn't get to see that. It's a different game back then.

So I just could go off what I got to see with my own eyes. What about some of those 49er defenses back in the day They were in those cowboy defenses with Charles Haley, Dion, Ken Norton. Yeah. But who's, Mort Woodson, and see, had some guys. So the fourth one. Hold on what that Legion of Boone, Legion of Boom team did to that incredible offense with the Broncos in 2013 and the school? Incredible.

First play the game. It was bad. In New York. You throw us in there? Yeah. So right there. So you got Tampa, Ravens. Boom.

Legion of Boone. No fly zone. No fly zone. You got to have a good nickname too. That takes out of that. You only get a good nickname if you like that, though. That's right. That's the only way you get a nickname.

That's the only way you get a nickname. Bro, back to that Derek Brooks team. I heard this the other day, Gruden saying this. They didn't take a single snap in the gun all season. That championship team in Tampa. Isn't that crazy? Is that Brad Johnson? Yeah, that'll never happen again.

Brad Johnson. Under center every play on offense. We got Gruden coming on soon. Drew, that's my guy I like Groot He's amazing on TV too He acts Exactly how he act on TV

It's how he act as a coach Yeah That's why he's good Because he's good Authentically him Y'all think he'll be back On the sideline soon? I don't know

I don't know either Leagues got some You suit leagues Yeah you suit the league man Hey Get your hands for I'm not saying nothing Hey I'm not saying NFL

He's awesome on TV And I know He wants to call this up Yeah He got good money from that lawsuit. Facts. You got something. All right, Jack, break the game.

All right. Should we preview this thing real quick? Yeah. The big story leading into this one, of course, it's a rematch from that week 12 game. The first loss of Patriots had, Osweiler, got him. And then, of course, pretty much everyone knew this would be the end of the Brady Manning rivalry. This was the finale. 17th matchup.

We also got to talk about this, the UFC championship game, of course. This is back when the ones and the two's got a lot. a buy. So Denver beat Pittsburgh 2316 in the divisional round while New England beat Kansas City. Prima Holmes of course 2720. Both teams started with a buy meeting up in the AFC championship game

for all the more. A trip to the big one. Talking about the Brady-Maining rivalry real quick, regular season. Tom had the advantage 9 to 3. Postseason split 2-2. So that brings us to our 17th matchup. And Peyton was on a heater. he had a two-game win streak over Brady and the AFC title games.

So we're moving into the game, maybe. And six Super Bowls to two. Well, of course. Now was there, could you feel a little added? Could you feel a little added something when it was the Peyton Manning versus the Brady thing? Like from the offense when they were practicing?

I don't know if I felt like in practice, but this was the Super Bowl, bro. You could feel it all over the building, man. It was intense. It was, everybody was locked in. You know what I'm saying? It was, I'm telling you, ain't nobody come out and say it like,

hey, this is the Super Bowl, but the field around the building was, hey, this is the one. We win this one. We'd be just fine in the chip no matter who we play. What was Peyton like in the locker room? Was he like giving reminders everything? Or was he to himself?

Nah, Payton was like more like the guy you see on TV now, he was like that in the locker room. Like, he always had jokes. He going to come down to the dbs with some jokes. Like, bro, this dude, he just was like real witty. He was like, you know, a time more like to his self-square business in the locker room, right? Payton was more like, he bullshed shit around. Like, he'd be in the training room bullsitting.

He's just a funny guy. You know what I'm saying? And it's no other place to be funny than in the locker room. What was the funniest thing he said to you? I don't even know, man. Man, just, I don't know, pray. It was so much, bro. I'm telling you, it was, it was daily.

So it wasn't like, I can't remember one story because he had jokes all day long. He was one of the guys in the locker room. Did he ever text you, like, a paragraph of anything? Because any time he texts me, whenever we do something, he gives me fucking a book of, like, how we should do it. All the time. Every time you get a text from him, it's a book.

It's at least this long. You know what I'm saying? But yeah, man, I remember one time he texted, he texted like, hey, probably before this season. No, it was West was on the team, so it's my first season. Hey, we're going to the casino, man. I know we're a team. Don't tell nobody else because if you ain't get this text message, you ain't invited. We only could have a certain amount of people there.

You know what I'm saying? So just keep this to yourself. You'll see who are there when you get there. Yeah, I'm saying? It was probably like 25 guys, you feel, me, 30 guys. But he just couldn't hack 70 guys, dear. He basically said no entourage. He basically said, hey, man, everybody on the team ain't going to be invited.

So don't be like, hey, you're going to pay your shit? Everybody can't go, you feel me? So that was funny to me. We went to the casino, man, we had a fucking great time. West Walker fucking probably won half a million dollars in that bitch. He always winning money. Well, he's struck gold. He's giving it out afterwards.

What was he playing? Poker. He's playing poker? I think he was playing poker. And he made a half a million bucks? Blackjack or something. Blackjack? Blackjack?

Whatever is playing both. What do you play? Crazy. I don't really, I don't really, I don't like the casino. I'm not either. I get a bummed dice in one. Don't the bones. Yeah, I bet side bed on the dice.

I don't want to roll a bitch as myself. And then I play 21 at the casino. But I don't really like to. I never really went to a casino. You know, it really won. You were a tonk guy? Buree. Buree.

Yeah, yeah. Bure. I started off Tunk, though. Tung. And when we was young, that's the young guy game. When you really get established in the league, you play that Buree. Never who. Now, how banged up was Peyton this year, though?

Payton was fucked up. Payton was fucked up, man. It was crazy watching this. I watched this game, and I was like, that ain't. His neck was bothering him, bro? I just had a neck surgery. Did you? Because my arm went numb.

And so if he had anything. anything like that. His neck was body. His foot, he did something to his foot, bro. What a warrior. People forget about the foot too, yeah. Bro, the foot was crazy.

Like, I had treatment one day. Patent used to go in that bitch to get treatment before anybody and be in and out. Like, he didn't want to be like hovering over Brock. So he used to get his treatment earlier, go get his work in the indoor and kind of just be out the way.

Let me let Brock feel like this. His show. I don't want to hover over him. man I went to treatment for early for whatever reason I seen his foot it looked like a cartoon foot bro it was like the entire foot was purple and blue like bro I'm like Peyton bro he's like yeah like yeah like he had something with it I don't know what it was

but his foot was fucked off man like terribly bad man but he was a warrior bro he he made plays bro he made plays the anticipation he had to throw it Shit, for us to get the number one seed, y'all slid up to Miami loss. I don't know why Patriots always go lose up there. Oh, man. But they were in Miami flu.

Humidity. That's right. Brock Oswider started the game against the Chargers, right? This is the first place game. We win this. We're in first place. Brock, dude, we have five turnovers in the first half. Yeah.

Brock through four picks and had a fumble. Like, bro, we like, just tied up. It's tied up or something going in the halftime. Shit. Pay and cane dust that helmet all He came in that bitch game. Start making plays, bro.

Got us that first, got us to win, got us the first seed, bro, that was huge. That was huge. There was no, there was no QB controversy ever? Nah, hell, nah, not, not. Brock won seven straight,

but he was throwing for like 1.30. Yeah. We was running for like 1.30. So we was running the ball and playing D-D. And then a couple, a couple, A couple of games, Brock came out, let it ride for like $200, $220 or something. But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it wasn't, it wasn't close to that.

Brock got paid, though. He did get paid, man. He should have sent us a check. That's how my guy. One thousand. Before we get in the game, you got to talk to us about how, how great it is to have the home field advantage at mile high. What's so, what's so great?

Why is that play so hard to play? Man, first of all, it's louder than you think it is. I think it's top three outdoor loudest stadium. I'm telling you, it's louder than you think it is in Denver. Kansas City and Seattle. Oh, okay. Up there. Kansas City, Seattle, Denver.

Denver. Easy. And then that altitude is fucking real. You think it's real? You don't think so? I never really felt it. Bro, I remember our AFC championship game, we went up there to play Denver. Like usually in the warm month.

up our offense to break the huddle and I go through all my shit all right it's first down boom there break the huddle oh a ride receiver tight end oh these rocks I'm just going through my what I just told you how I watched him I'm going through my test in my head and I was playing and that aFC chip when we went up there I played for new England I couldn't even go through my shit in my head bro I was tired it hits people differently bro my lips was chapped in the bitch I'm like fuck like I couldn't think of nothing but the altitude pregame I remember going to sit in my locker like, all right, bro, leave. Lock the fuck in, bro.

Fuck this altitude, bro. You got it. Talking to myself like, this shit on me. It was on me. And this was the warm up. You feel me? So it hits people differently. To me, it's real, bro.

It's real. It's real. When I first signed there, I went and did, you know, I work out in big hoodies and sweats and shit, get a real sweat. Bro, it's damn their necket, bro. I took all that shit off. I got on compression shorts only to finish this workout. It's hot.

It was hot, too. It's the altitude, though. It's fucking draining, bro. To me, I've seen so many receivers come up there and tap out. By the fourth quarter, they only want to block no more. They just tapped out. I mean, now you're a goon. You probably don't feel it.

Like Wolverine type shit, you know what I'm saying? I mean, I just never thought. I didn't want it to get in my head. So I just always, like you talk to yourself. I was talking myself. Like, they ain't nothing fucking wrong with you. Let's go. I tried to do that, but my mouth was so dry.

You did get dry. I was like, oh, my. My God. Because it's some mountain air is different as I take a sip of water. Like, bro. Bro, I feel like they up the reminders every year, too. It's like 5-820 on the gold post, on the helmets everywhere. Put them tag.

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The defense was in Tom's lap, pressure in the heck out of him all over the place. Vaughn was getting after him. They were throwing all types of looks. Peyton and the Broncos got on the board first with that guy. Owen Daniels. We talked about him early. OD, 21-yarder to go up 7-0. Trade some punch back and forth.

Then a Ronnie Hillman Fumble opens the door for Tom, give him short field. Tom seizes on it. Scores a T-D. But it'll come back to bite. Gaskowski missed extra point. As they always do.

Special team. First one all season. First one since he was a rookie. Unbelievable kicker. First one since 06, bro. He hadn't missed one. I know. But he also played.

at the beginning, the early stage version on the two. This is true. This is true. Moving into the second quarter, that pressure, that pressure becomes an issue. Tom picked off twice in the second quarter. Not great. Von Miller, with one of them, sets up a quick Denver score.

Another Peyton Manning to Owen Daniel's strike story of the day. Going up 14 to 6, Pat's tack on a field goal, 14 to 9. Denver would respond to the field goal. 17, 9 going into the half. Crazy. Downing. at the half. What are we thinking, Jules? Yeah, we got to find something. If you look at the box

score, we had, you know, we're terrible on third down. We couldn't do anything on third down. I'm sitting there thinking about my goddamn lineman cleats that I'm wearing because I had a broken foot. Remember I had the broken foot? We couldn't get anything going on offense. They had it strapped on us. We put in a double Denver for the past count or for the, for the, uh, for to try to slow down their defensive lineman because two years ago, Vaughn Miller was in lap of Tom every play. So we put in this double Denver that wasn't working. We couldn't get anything going on offense.

Yeah, I mean, looking at the drive chart here, it's punt, punt, punt, TD interception, field goal interception on seven first half possession. We were just outmaned. We were trying. And it was honestly, you know, to foreshadow to the end of the game, it was crazy to us that we had a shot to get it to tie the game. Honestly. Because they were owning us.

Two for 15 for third down. That's nuts. And I mean, it was worse than that. Because a lot of the time, I mean, it was just bad. We started having them injuries late too. You know what I'm saying? T.J. went down. Yeah.

Then Stu went down. So that's our dime and our safety. And that's when Gronk started eating because you guys are doubling with guys other. Like, bro, we had Bush in there. And my guys, they came in and made plays. But K.O. was in there. Bush was in there. K. Webb was coming in playing the dime.

Well, K Webb came in and played the Nick. We had to move Chris to the dime. Like, we was just shuffling guys back there, man, with them two guys going down. Now, what Kubiak said at halftime? Hey, it ain't over, bro. It ain't over. We know who we plan.

Just keep our foot on the gas. Keep our foot on the gas. Man, moving into the third quarter here, it's a little bit of a punt fest. We got five punts and a Patriots field goal. in the third. That cuts the lead, 17 to 12, into the fourth. Denver opens it up with a field of their own, makes it 20 to 12. Then two straight Patriots drives really going for six here, end and turnover on downs, going forward on fourth. We thought it was over at that point.

I was going to say, bro. We got it back. I know, bro. We thought it was over. Yeah, because that second one was, that second one was. We only had two minutes left. Yeah, 225 left. They had like 209. Yeah. Like, we got the ball 209. We think, Oh, it's over. It's a rap with these boys. They might get the ball back with 30 seconds. We got it back. Quick.

A lot more than that. Like a minute in 30 seconds. A minute in 40, shit. And with great field position. So then that sets up the final drive. We take over it. There's a four down though where they try to bracket rob because they brought pressure. Was there pressure?

Yep. No, it might not have been. But they just bracket them. It was like cover seven in the field. It probably was man, but we just doubled him and. probably doubled you. And they, you know, a lot of times guys will get messed up because they think he's breaking. So he didn't break.

He just kept going. So he had, he split him. He split him, ran straight through. Tom did with Tom. Perfect. Drop the fucking die. Like, can't put. Because they were on them.

But Gronk, I mean, it's hard to cover Gronk. No matter what, he's not covered. Because he can run too, you know what I'm saying. That's what people forget. He was fast. So that pass set up to. His next pass was a touchdown. He ran a little corner route on Chris.

They just threw it up. How did he get his feet in? He was like just grab Chris, threw him out the way. Like, ah, got his feet in. They're not going to call nothing at that point, especially not no offensive pass in the fair. Well, they already missed it calling the play before.

Who? You know that fourth down. They got grown. That was me back there. Yeah, you got them. I got him out. You can grab him. I ain't grab him, Mom.

You're grabbing them. I did because I jumped early. You just said earlier in the interview. You love cheating and hold him. No, no, no. I didn't hold him on that play, though. And you propelled him. That's what I did.

See, that's, you can't. I jumped early. And then by time he jumped, he just took me up a little bit higher. It was as well thought out. You can't slingshot. Hey, man, I'm just in the air trying to make a play. The ball in the air, I'm playing the ball in the air. That's perfectly legal for real.

You ain't never seen that call in the history of the NFL. Let's take a look. Let's go to the tape. You ain't never seen this, this car, right? This is a great play right here. See, he even said he felt the slingshot. Of course he felt the slingshot. Of course he's talking about it, man.

We got a replay. That ref right there, he was not cheating for me, but that refs caused so many pi. They're not going to show us? Hold on, let's go back here. They didn't give you the good view. That don't even look clean to me. That looked clean to me.

That looked clean to me. That's clean, bro. How do you even go about covering a dude like Gronke? Shit. Hey, it's going to be a dog fight, man. Hey, he better play this ball at his highest point because you know where Gronky is. He's high.

He's high. He's going to be high. And he's strong. Like, those guys, like D.Bs, they can use their strength sometimes and they can knock you off when they're going up for, like, you can't do that with Gronk. They know how to use their body. Gronk use his body. Man.

take us through the two point play two point play so really on the motion you came in motion I was on you bam you came in motion we're supposed to switch it

you see I almost went here that's why I stopped it yeah I almost went he didn't bang it and then at the last minute Josh Bush or somebody said

play play play it play it so I just stayed was bang bang so I went we going here play it, play, play, boop, and I stayed on it. Tom got flushed. Then, boom, I was able to give my hand on it. But Tom should have threw it to Gronk.

He was open. Gronk was one-on-one with Josh Boos. But it was the play before. It was almost kind of the same play that he scored on. So he was thinking that you guys were probably going to give the eyes to them. And that's what I tried to do. I tried to go here so I could come off and be outside and be on Gronk. Yeah.

Can you walk us through your perspective for that play? So like what he was saying, I knew they were going to do that. I was expecting them to pass me off. So if you see, if I'm matched on that play, I got to take it across to open up the other shit. But I felt Akib being a smart player is, he played me and he looked at his guy to like he was going to pass it off.

Probably even did like this, I'm telling you. Yeah. And so I broke it off. And if Tom would have banged it right away, it would have been there. But then Akib stayed on me. And then Tom flushed. Is this it?

Yeah. Let's see. Talk over it, so YouTube doesn't get us. See, Chris right there. So I'm coming. I see all game they've been, see right there, he did it. I'm looking, and then I'm looking for the P dropper. And then it was, you see the P dropper, the big guy came out?

Mm-hmm. So you see how he keeps it right here. Bush say, play, play it, or lock it or lock it or whatever he said. See, I'm fin it, we're going to pass it off. I think I heard it too. Maybe Chris said it. Like, lock it, lock it just went. I should have just went, but when he stopped,

I'm not going to keep going this way while he's going that way. And so once I see him flush, I got to kind of stop because there's a different one where we, I saw it. But those are the cat, the cat mouse. Cat mouse, man. In there.

Especially with communication. That's why a lot of coaches in the red area use motions because what's he have to do? We got to talk. They got to talk. They got to talk. And these guys, don't like to talk.

They can get messed up so easily. You know what I'm saying? If we're not thinking the exact same, you see right there we really messed up. They really fucked up. And Bush both going with the running back. One of y'all should have been,

one of y'all was supposed to be back outside of gronk, K.O. inside of Grom. Like, that's the guy we doubling. We're not trying to double the running back. We got the running back. They messed it up. And Kio coming from the inside.

But the pressure got it. The pressure got to it. Pressure sped it up. It's kind of crazy, too, in these got-ha-ha-hats-on-it-situations. Bats only went for it once on a two-point conversion try all season. And we're 0 for one leading into this. After this game was what next year?

Yeah, Falcons. In 2016. Yeah. Before that Super Bowl, because of this game and these situations, the last three years of our without winning the Super Bowl, all ended on the last play. We installed seven two-point plays going into that Super Bowl. We ended up using three or four.

because of this play here. Because of this was a huge part of it. How many were in? Because I remember before going into 2016, the first thing Bill showed us was this play. The first thing he showed us was the first, the last play of the Super Bowl. The year before that,

it came down to one play with us in Denver when Akeeb was on our team. Like it always came down to the last play. So we wanted to make sure we had ammo. Ammo. How many two point conversion plays were in the playbook at this? point.

You probably only have two. Right. Maybe three. Right. Crazy, bro. And sometimes you could use a short yardage play depending or a goal line play, depending. But goal line, that's a one yard play. They may really go-toes, though.

Yeah. You got it. We call it and got to have it. Got to have it. G-THA. You probably got two of them. Shout out Big V's barbecue sauce. That's right.

Got to have it. That's right. Love Big V. So Broncos win. 2018. Going to the Super Bowl. Broncos win. Go into the Supi and...

Beat the Panthers. Beat the Panthers in Super Bowl 50 in Santa Clara. Easy work. Damn, 2014. What are you thinking? No. That's the Seahawks game. And we're going to be in San Francisco next week, too.

There you go. Crazy work. Beat them down. 24 to 10. Beat them down. Peyton retires on top. Rides off into the sunset after 18 illustrious seasons. Really, truly an unbelievable defense.

So, Von Miller, Super Bowl MVP. Vaughn Miller. Von went crazy. With a crazy sack. I had this fucking techno. every pregame we play like Future and shit yeah future was real hot then

Super Bowl come Vaughn got this Interatlantic Intang Atlantic Intang Atlantic Atlantic Blasting this shit right Man you think somebody

would like Bro turn that shit off We was all in their vibe to the Atlantic We've been to beat the door and shit out of these boys They try to fuck us up Mert and Hanks

He'd do all the uniforms and shit So it's the anniversary game right It's the gold game He's basically You got to check everybody So he's coming in a locker room I got gold Underarmers gold glove

My neck tights on Like we cleaned in the bitch He come in Hey If anybody wear gold We're gonna remove you from the game We're just not even going We're just gonna remove you from the game

And you gotta go Somebody was like Man what the fuck T's hair What the fuck man That's a damn anniversary Y'all get us all this shit shit I heard that shit usually I would be one of vows

Because I'm all about my uniform him, right? Hey, I said, hey, fuck that shit. They want this shit to be a motherfucking dog fight. I started taking this shit off. Ripped the mock necker. You see me, I'm basically naked in the game. I haven't got no tights on.

You took all that shit off. Hey, this is what kind of fucking game they want, bro? Fuck it. Woo, woo, woo. Going about everybody like, yeah. Yeah, I had to save it, right? I had to save it because we just been to take our minds to some complaining shit somewhere we ain't want to be.

You know what I'm saying? No, fuck that. This is what kind of game they want They don't want us to have no swag Hey took everything off I'm completely now I'm got no nothing Those boys clothes on

Blue cleats no tights No nothing bro I'm like all right let's go Let's do it like this then That's how it don't matter We're gonna beat the dog Shit out these boys today Say the drama

Hey we got out there and got at them boys Man How was a party That was a big party It was cool It was solid It was I expected a little bit more But we was in Sanfran though

You don't want to be out like that in San Francisco. You can get crazy. You can get crazy. Hey, we're talking to you, man. We had a good time, though. We had a good time. If we had to be in like, like Atlanta, you all that one in Atlanta, we was ready to go crazy in that one in Atlanta.

I'm talking about me, Aaron Donald, J.G, we all, like, we win. We spending 200 tonight. We all spent 200. Light work. We just spent it going to go crazy. We lost. Damn. But now, the Super Bowl parties was cool, though, man.

It was cool. The one at the hotel was solid. You know, we got there doing our own thing. Yeah. It was cool. You know, I'm from the trenches, bro, all in me. I'd be looking around and shit. I can't enjoy myself all the way.

Environment. I get it. Did Peyton hang out? Or was he? No, I don't even think I've seen Peyton after the game. I don't even think I seen Peyton after the game, man. I didn't see a lot of people. We had the Vaughn, the court guys, we was DTE,

we was all at that little party. Then we started, everybody started going to these other parties and shit. Man, I end up, I got somewhere, man, I'm looking around like, and I'm gone. I'm staying in this motherfucker. I think Vaughn and all them boys was in there. They stayed in there.

I'm like, man, I'm gone, man. I'm out of here. Man. I went in chill. I had all my fam and stuff in town and shit. I was beat. I was tired of shit. I believe it.

I stayed out. I can't stay out to about 12, 31 o'clock. I'm in the room. Same. The wife, we sleep. Sleeping. Out of there, man.

Exhausted. Man. All right. What's the legacy of this game? Hey, it's, it's Payton's last rodeo, man. I'm glad I was a part of it.

And also, it's the cherry on top, man, for one of the best defenses to ever play football. You know what I'm saying? dominated the game, scored a touchdown on defense. We gave one of the top

offenses in the lead. They averaged 30 this year. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? We gave them 10 points, man. And really embarrassed them. So, I mean, I feel like it was the cherry on top for an amazing defensive season for us.

And we got to send Peyton out like that right there, man, off to the sunset with his second Super Bowl. That's awesome. Lastly, before we grade this game, Akeed. What does football mean to you? Football is everything to me, man. I'm telling you, like, we were talking before the cameras cut on.

This shit really changed my life. And I don't, I remember when, but since I was born, since I could remember way back to the first memory, I just loved this game. You know what I'm saying? My brother loved this game. This game has changed my family dynamic. completely, right? We got, I got nephews who get scholarships. They're going to play college football.

My kids play. You know what I'm saying? And I tell them, like, when you start liking football, they're like, I don't know. Like, you just was born to do this shit. Like, you know what I'm saying? I brainwashed them like, bro, you was, you was just born to do this shit, man. So I love the game, man, and me and everything to me. It teach you so much shit, man.

Just family. It teach you how to really have friends, how to be accountable, you know what I'm saying, how you do shit because you know guys is depending on you. It teach you how to communicate, you know what I'm saying? It teach you so much shit, you know what I'm saying? Even if you don't go play pro, I would recommend all young guys do it because it teach you how to be a man. You're going to use in the tech world and in the business world, you're going to learn that shit from being in this locker room with all these guys, you know what I'm saying? So it mean everything to me, man. I love it.

That's why I still work in it. I talk about it now. I train my kids. I train kids and had 707 and stuff in Dallas, man. So I love this game, man. It's a violent game. It's entertaining. And it ain't going nowhere.

It ain't going nowhere. Facts. And what Akeve just said is how he played. And that's why. You're probably going to be in the Hall of Fame, bro. Let's go. I hope. You know, there's a lot of politics in it, but, you know, I put the work.

You're a baller. You played like you love the game. Sure. All-time corner that tackled, big plays and big games, soupy, associated one of the greatest of all-time defenses. I mean, it's... Fourth all-time and pick sixes. Fourth? Third, for real.

Third? Top of third. They got me in four. If I put him in four, shit. Put him in four. It's all right. Third all time. Third all time in picture.

There we go. I don't know for him, but he's third. You feel me? Hey, shit. All right. He's third. He's fourth. You feel me?

He's right. He's right. You feel me? That should be the tiebreaker. That should be the tiebreaker. We'll be right back after this quick break. I'm Dylan Playfair. And I'm Tyler Smith.

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Sign up for a free trial at audible.com. All right, let's name the game and score the game. Is this the greatest game of all time? Let's score it. Remember to leave. Decimals are encouraged. These are some names we came up with. If you have a name for this specific game, you can use it.

came up with the Mile High Magic. No back to back. The Super Bowl. Yeah. Brady versus Manning, the final chapter. We beat the champs twice. I would go with number three, right? But I would insert the AFC Super Bowl.

Love it. The AFC Super Bowl. The AFC Super Bowl. Whoever won this thing was winning at all. Mm-hmm. Whoever won that winning it all They was the champs

A few times With Peyton and Brady Matchups Let's score it Let's score it Stakes Zero to 10 Decimals

Encourge the stakes Of this AFC Championship game The stakes was high It was It was the goat You know what I'm saying It probably was

Peyton Last rodeo He was broke up He ain't had much left So zero to 10 The stakes was a Nine Yeah I

I think for us, the stakes were like a 9-5. We potential go back to back. Mm-hmm. You know, we didn't do that. There's a lot of legacy attached to this. There's just, I mean, this is Tom. And for us on defense, like, if we wanted to be a great fucking defense, if we don't win a Super Bowl, can't be a great defense.

You can't be a great defense. You know what I'm saying? So it was up there. I get, I give it a 9. I got a 9-7. I'm with you guys. I had a 9-3. The star power of this game.

The star power was a 10. Star Pye was a 10, man. We had the goat quarterbacks. We had Gronk. We had motherfucker DT. We had Akeed Tee. We had the McCordy's involved. Ed Jules.

Like, bro, we had guys. It was to the coaches. Coaches. Bill and Coopheed Phillips are coordinator. Coobiac. O'N Daniels. Cubiard, I mean, that's a legacy name. Oh, for sure.

Oh, for sure. I got to go, for me, that's a high. 9-4. 9.4. I had 9-1. I'm right there with you guys. I had a 9-0. I feel like just the star power

of the quarterbacks. Yeah. Honestly, you can't put it at the team. It's hard. You can't get better than that. You can't. I feel like I went below.

God, there's a lot of Hall of Famous from this game, too. Zach Von Miller, Demarcus where? Like, golly. You feel me? I've never given a 9-4.

The gameplay of this game. What we mean by gameplay? It's a little bit like the back and forth, how entertaining the game is, You know, watching it on. It's like it to none. It came down to a two-point conversion. Tom Brady game winning a game tie and scoring dry.

Then the two-point conversion, he needed this and he had tied up. Like, it came down to the very end. I go, I go 9-5. Like, it was back and forth. Defensive game. It was. Two stars that of quarterbacks. A little sloppy with special teams, but that can be fun to watch.

I give it a 9 flat. All right. I like offense. Yeah, I'm a defensive guy, so, you know what I'm saying? We like sloppy. I went an 8-flat. The name of the game, we got to grade the name of the game, the AFC Super Bowl. 10, baby, you know what I'm saying?

Winner takes it all, baby. The name don't get no. For all the marvels. For all the marvels, baby. You know, I'm on the other side of this, so I'll give it at 8.9. Oh, I went to seven. I'm a homer. I'm still butt hurt over there.

I had a 7.1. Oh, y'all don't like the name? I love it. I just hate this game. This is a high-ass game. This is an 8.92. That's our new, ooh, top 10.

Wow. It's our new ninth game, just behind the 1999 Women's World Cup. And just ahead of the four nations face off Canada versus USA. That means to go down. You just bumped the Yankees versus Red Sox World Series. Remember when Poppy was down?

They were down four. or three and they came back. This list definitely needed more Patriots games in the top 10. That's right. I know. So the Falcons Patriots, that was the number one game of all time. So far. So far. We haven't done some good games. How do you feel about that one? I mean, come back? It was amazing, bro. And I tell you,

you see all these? You see all these? I was the lowest scorer out of everyone on those. Yeah, this is that's a man of integrity. That's a man of integrity. Oh yeah, I'm a homeless. Like, we get the average of all of our scores. Yeah. It's nice to get a Patriots loss up higher, though. just to even it out. Yeah, you got to have a Patriots loss up there. Integrity, baby.

Well, we do. We have the, where's the... Super 53, which you were a part of. Yeah, there was a Super Bowl where we lost to Philly was a high one, wasn't it? Oh, yeah, with Devlin. The great one, too, shootout. Which one is that? Where is that?

Right there, 13. 13, yeah. Five, five, two yards in a loss. Jesus, crime. And tools is out there. We win that thing. We're Super 53. How much more offense could you need?

Yeah, but you wouldn't play cornerbacks when you guys. You do 500 three touchdowns. You know what I'm saying? He tried to get those one touchdowns. We just needed one stop. Yes. I know it was 500 yards for sure. Geez.

Crazy, bro. All right, Akieb, we miss anything from this game? No, I think we hit it, man. I think we hit it, man. It was legendary. What's our podcast we're on right now? The arena grid iron. The arena grid iron.

I see it all the time. It's yellow. You guys got yellow and black labeling. We're doing, we're doing numbers. It's killing. That's right. You got a great squad. Everyone go check it out. Akieb, thanks for coming on, bro. Hey, appreciate it, brother. Wow. Unbelievable. What a guy. I love it. He's so fun. He's just, our chains are intact. Oh, yeah, I know. We didn't get the chain. I just tell them all the time. You didn't ganking my chain dog. I mean, Keeve, I used to have to practice a bunch of it because Bill is seeing what he's about and I was still slap dick receivers. So you made me run like million routes against them. Iron sharpens iron. Man, man. Man, man. Man, man. Man. Man. He's a beast. I know. That's for the Super Bowl. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. We'll have a full preview on dudes. Yeah. We'll record later. I mean, too much fun talking about Mark Manchino instead of the soup. I know. Sorry. That's got a pop dude. Mark Mangino. He's a beast. That's for the heads. Hey, what about, uh, since it is Super Bowl week? Super Bowl prediction boys.

Quick Super Bowl prediction? Yeah, yeah, score prediction. My score prediction, 27, 24 Patriots. I like this. I like this a lot. I am going to go 3125 Patriots. I'm going to pull the Kirk Herbstry and abstain because I'm covering the game. Oh, oh.

Wait, they got you in the booth up there? You and your dog? You and your dog are in the booth? No, I just don't want to say. I don't want to jinx it. All right. I like it. I respect it.

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