Games with Names - Baron Davis and the Shot that SHOULD’VE Been | Magic vs Hornets

Episode Date: May 12, 2026

Baron Davis is in studio! The NBA legend is with us to pull back the curtain on one of the wildest playoff games of all time: Game 3, Eastern Conference First Round, Magic vs. Hornets. We also talk John Wooden stories, out of the box business ideas, and a whole lot more.  (00:00) We kick things off. (02:33) Baron joins us on the couch. (40:08) We go back to April 2002. (50:02) We dive into these rosters. (56:11) We get into the game. (1:23:37) We score it. Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Oh, my God. Yeah, yeah, not the show, but they all, we're in it. See, you know L.A. I don't, I just moved here. I've been here for three years. I've been here in the off-season and shit, but I'm kind of in my own little world. I don't really know anyone might.

Just go to fucking Country Mart. Just go to Country Mart. Just go to Country Mart. Hang out. Have fucking lunch on Sunday. And then come back the next Sunday. Wait two weeks. Come back the next Sunday.

It'll be like 17 women walking around. looking for you. And Jack, you hear? I'm just going to say, bro. I got my two weeks down. Let's go. I'm going to write that down. All right, let's get into it.

You got to come with me run a two-man, brother. I'm telling you. I had to get out of Brentwood, dog. I was like, I went to UCLA, O.J. You know what I mean? O.J. Can't be O.J. Cannot be OJ.

Right up the street, by the way. Going to the hood. I'm going back to the hood. You know, I, uh, When I was playing, I rented a place across the canyon from the house. Oh, O.J. Yeah. And we'd have barbecues.

And that was like the ultimate barbecue party starter. Yeah, it was. Everyone look over there. That's where OJ did it. Everyone was like, ah! And everyone was on Greta Green? Yeah. Oh, wow.

Yeah. Because, no, because I was over off of Mandeville. And, you know, there's a canyon. Oh, yeah. Oh, to his house. Yeah, his house. Yeah, yeah. The house is sick.

But it was something. The house was crazy. Here we go. Here we go. Welcome to games with names. Today we are looking at the 2002 Eastern Conference first round, game three between the magic and the hornet with Baron Davis here in the Nutt House for the second time. B.D. In one sentence, why this game?

This was, I would say this was like the breakout. this is my breakout as a as a league guy in the league so you know I think after this was like all-star this is my all-star year like this was this was my third year so the sentence is it was my breakout this is my breakout year and this is when I was finally like the league guy in the playoffs and you're battling battling against T-MAC oh that duel was awesome teamack was cold bro is this the greatest game of all time No. Okay. It's a great one. It's a great game, though. It's a great game because, I mean, you see, like, a young T-Mack, a young B-D. You just see us in our prime, and I watched this game.

When you watch T-Mack, it's like, damn, dude, everything just looks so easy. You know, it's almost like you're watching KD nowadays, right? But just a little different because T-Mack went, you know, he drove a lot. Yeah. But the same, like, can shoot in space, shoot around people.

And so T-Mack was like, he was the guy. So, it was... 1,000% and this was, you know, this generation of basketball is always fun to jump back into because this is what I was,

you know, a kid, and this was when I was watching it, watching you guys ball, you know? It's, it's crazy to see the game how it's evolved so much

just from 2002 in this. game when I'm watching it. Like the game is so different now. Yeah, it's, you know, we played in the tighter windows. It was more ball control, meaning like clock management, game management, clock management. Bad shots got you on the bench, right?

Bad shots hurt you. And then also bad threes hurt you. So, you know, three pointers were encouraged. They were not encouraged to shoot all the time. You know, you mostly shot those when you were open coming off a point. Pick and roll. But mostly, you'll see, you know, a lot of the three-point shots that will be shot. And Orlando play fast.

Open shots. Everybody else is driving, trying to get, you know, that medium-range game. So I would say this is probably, like, basketball and in a confined space. So you're watching, you know, talented guys, you know, play and make, and have a game. Yeah. You know, it's like games with names. Like this is, I would say, the era where you actually got to, oh, Baron Davis, he play like that. Or he played like, you know, you knew what you were getting.

And also, like, the teams was on the back of the star players and their go-to guys. So it wasn't like a free-for-all where you're going to see everybody jacking threes or, you know, playing with a bunch of space. It's more so, you know, like scripted game management, right? Yeah. Situations were huge. Man, it's been two years since you've been here. What do you've been up to? Man, I just, uh, about to watch my 3D printed.

Yeah, these is called the oatmeal meals. You know, I started my coffee shop, oatmeal radio cafe. Let's go. Where's that? It's 40, uh, West Jefferson. So it's in the West Adams area. And it's coffee and music. You keep everything over.

Yeah, on the east side. You know, I ain't really the east side. It's just a mid city. I can't go to the east side yet in a couple of years. Because you got the compound over there when I went and did your show. Yeah. I mean, it was awesome. You had the Stormburger sent over, Stormburger slacked.

Yeah, Storm burgers slapped big time. It did. Now you got the OG loks, oatmeal's? Yeah, these are OGs. The brand call overdose, these are oatmeals. I'm going to be dropping these probably sometime in June. But it was, you know, just wanted to pay homage to like L.A. culture, house shoes, walk arounds.

Those things, if you guys can't see, if you can't see, I'm going to explain it. They're like very, it's almost like a rubbery feel, the 3D printer and that has like the fur inside and they're, are like, yeah, look at this thing. It's like 3D printed. It's very comfortable. It feels like you're going to be able to walk in this thing for a long time. And it looks cool. Looks dope.

Yeah, we made them. And the thought was like. When I was, when we were ideating on it, it was, we want to make shoes. Like, what happened to shoes? A house shoe, a hoop shoe, a walking shoe, a nurse shoe, doctor's shoe, like, what can, you know, what can be something kind of universal that people are on their feet a lot, especially for athletes. You know, we'd be on our feet.

And then we walk around in shower shoes and shit. And them shit's hurt, too. I have a million shoes in my bedroom. And everyone here, they don't understand athletes. I have shoe for everything. I got shoes when I go kick out for soccer with Lily in the street. I got shoes for when we go on the grass. I got shoes when I go to the backyard to do yard work.

I got sandals in the house. I got sandals outside the house. You know, it's a fucking necessity. Yeah, yeah. But I mean, we grew up like that, though. It was like you got... That's what you always wanted. That's what we always wanted.

You wanted that. But I would say, like, you wear out your basketball shoes, right? they become your yard shoes. Then your school shoes, when you wear those out, they become your house shoes. You know what I'm saying? So it was like we had to keep recycling the pair of shoes that we have. But, you know, for me, shoes in the house,

shoes outside the house, shoes when I go coach the kids playing basketball. So I was like, man, these performance shoes ain't performing for me. You know, I'm getting older. You know what I'm saying? So I don't need performance. I need comfort. Yeah. You know, I need comfort.

And those things are comfortable, but the thing is they also, like, I'm not just saying this, but like you could put those on because I walk in shoes with Lily when I go to take her to, you know, you wear the flip-flops, you wear something. You could go walk about 900 to 3,000 steps in those, and you're going to get some good yardage out of it. Oh, yeah, you're going to, you're going to, you know, ain't going to feel good. Yeah. When you come back, you can wash them, put them a watch machine. Oh, so they're washing them.

Yeah, they wash them. Yeah, they're waterproof. You know what I used to do? I used to put mine in the dishwasher. Oh, I never seen that. Because it doesn't shake them. You know what I mean? It doesn't shake them.

And you put your, I always put my shoes in the dishwasher when I want to be clean. I mean, I don't think, our dishwasher was broke growing up. Yeah. We can't really have one either.

That was more when I got older. That's more like in college. Oh, for real? Yeah. You had a dishwasher in college? Well, yeah. Ken State. Damn.

We used to do it. Yeah, I was living. You know, when you had that per deal, risk is cool. Bro, we used to go. Was it in Westwood, yeah. Yeah, we're in Ohio. It was $300 for your buck. You get way more bank for your buck.

We had my house, I remember thinking this like, man, it's $300 for rent. You have 300 a room. Yeah, it'd be like $1,200 for the whole house. Oh, that's crazy. That's Ohio. And we had a half acre and a full core hoop. That's crazy. It's a house?

Yeah. How many people live in there? We had four. or five people. That's true. And everyone had their own room. Like right from the rip. Like it wasn't like you work your way out.

That's what I'm saying, dude. Like that's, that's the Midwest. That's just the Midwest. You're going to get a lot. Hell no. You never lived on getting, you barely get to. It is.

I know. Yeah, it was like 800. It was 800, uh, me and shout out to Rico Heinz. We were roommates. It was like 800 a month a piece. And you get that little Pell Grant.

That shit be gone. You don't have nothing. You can't know where to roll. That was the opposite at our, we had Kent State. I remember going and we all lived in like, at first you'd live in like the Section 8 housing. A lot of guys lived in Section 8 housing.

So the rent would be like $10. But you know what I mean? So you'd live there. You go in, guys have big screen TVs. Everyone had Xboxes because you had the per diem. Right. That was like our way of kind of getting a little money when you were a scholarship player.

Yeah. So like guys were set up with that. per deal. Man, shit in Ohio. And so we had a, we had a dishwasher. We were living a life. We were living in life. Now, I'm not saying it was like,

it didn't look like Westwood or, or that. You have to live in Ohio. So it's like, it's salt to the earth, like a lot of fields and railroad tracks and shit. It was different. So, you know, I see you on Insta. And instantly, we're talking about

something that you're doing. And I see you on Insta, you're investing in, you're like, you got investing clips always. What's BD investing in right now? I think this should be a segment because you are investing in things. I mean, we have plans left and right. We got the shoes. What else is going on? Just really in the sports.

Summit a couple years ago, we did the summit. Yeah, so I just been, you know, my company, big business inside the game, we're getting ready to launch big TV. So a lot of, you know. What's going to be on? it's going to be on our own website, YouTube, content. We have our YouTube show, our podcast, our episode, we all running back.

But it's really just education, content, and talking to cool people about how they grew their business or leadership. And then we'll be doing, like, the events for the rest of the year. So having, like, some summits, mixers, matchmaking, entrepreneurs with the right investors. And so that's the whole platform. And so for me, I'm just really focused. on, I mean, AI, for sure, but like, how does that work in sports?

How does that work in wellness, right? How does intelligence help us, like, get more time to ourselves, right? So how can you use AI to work for you? AI should be working for you, you know, not putting you out of a job, right? It's full Jetsons. Yeah. And then sports. I mean, women's sports for sure.

We just had coach close on yesterday. She's the best. UCLA, shout out. Let's go, national champs. I mean, how sweet was that? She did it. First one. She deserved it.

She is a testament to building blocks. Like, when you go to a program, you know, and nowadays, it's even harder than hard. 10 years ago, right? But, like, when you establish yourself and you establish, like, a presence and building blocks, right? and a philosophy and a family ecosystem, like only good things are going to grow from it. And so I'm so happy for her because she deserved to win.

She deserved to win like that. Those girls deserve to win, you know, watching them in the gym, you know, Kiki Rice, Gabs, like all those girls. When I'm working out the kids, they come in there getting extra work. That's all they did was work. And then you see them all getting drafted, Lauren. Six. Yeah.

Record. Unbelievable. Six draft picks. So, you know, Coach Close is setting a new standard at UCLA. And I'm glad to see it's for the women. It's awesome. And just the whole story between her and Coach Wooden, you know, I mean. Coach Wooden was the best.

I remember you talked about them last time, right? Yeah. Yeah, you guys met at breakfast, right? Yeah, we had breakfast together. Coach Wooden is a, he's a, he's a coach. He's a coach. He's like a, he's like a player coach. Like, he's going to talk to you like a mentor, but he also going to check you too.

You know, he's checking your temperature. Yeah. Yeah. You got tattoos? Uh, tattoos say, why you got tattoos? I don't like tattoos. I was like, because he's my grandmother. You know, my grandmother.

Oh, man. But just, you know, I took the reading pledge, right? It's just, you know, like a teacher, somebody that you felt comfortable sitting, listening, and being open about, like, you know, your answers, right? Well, you know, his whole thing was, right? We're not just trying to win. We're trying to build kids. Yeah, character.

character. And I mean, look at it, a guy that had his, you know, was in his presence and you felt his whole thing. And look at you now, you know, you not only had an unbelievable MBA career, but now you're, you're an investor in a bunch of things. You have a lot of great things going for you. You've built a lot of great things. You're a huge person in your community. You keep it still in your community. I mean, it's, it's pretty something to say about all the people. is UCLA Bruins, man. Matthew Slater, my guy. Yeah.

I mean, all these guys. Pyramid of Success guys, bro. It's, you know, foundational elements. You know, I went to UCLA because of the social brand. Obviously basketball, but the social brand and the fact that UCLA always stood for some, athletes always stood out. Athletes were always all spoken. And, you know, it was, they showed a different side. And if you go around college, any college, like you never saw that from any athlete in college, right?

But UCLA was the ones that were, was at the rallies. Bill Walton sitting out, you know, during a Vietnam war protesting, right? And so, you know, it was so much, you know, Black Panthers, you know, come in the campus, like all these great political leaders coming in to UCLA to give speeches, you know, back in the 60s and the 70s. And so for me, I was like, man, I need to be a part of that essence. And I need to learn what that is so I can bring that back to the east side. Right?

Because, you know, L.A. is segregated. I mean, as you know. I'm a new resident here. Yeah. I'm a new resident here. Yeah, you don't get around too much. We don't see you too much. What are you talking about?

I'm going to build a game plan for you, man. You got to get out. But you got to get out. What's the craziest thing you've pitched? The craziest thing? thing that I've pitched. You've been pitched. You've been pitched. That I've been pitched.

I know you, you've had to have someone give you something crazy. You're like, no. Oh, man. A company was, uh, I don't even feel comfortable like talking. You know, like, I don't know how to describe it. It's like a, it's like a, uh, a listerine tab for a woman, not her mouth. Hey now I know what you're saying

I feel a Listerine like a pH balance strip that helps like rejuvenate like their their balance

yeah I yeah what did you say to this yes of course and you're invested I was like there were 30 people that meet those

100 I got your test dummies Let me open my Go not Rollinette, you're okay No I'll get canceled I don't just had on here

Oh We got our first set of influencers No no no it worked dude Oh man And I mean One is like It's funny Because I

There's no way for me to like Pitch it or explain it I just have to say Oh I know the right entrepreneur to connect you to, but the entrepreneurs there, she, they both, um,

worked on, uh, like they were, black scientists, female scientists, worked on like vaccines and things like that, but they came along. Pathologists? Blood doctors? I don't know. No. No. That sounds right.

That's like study of disease. Not so. No, they were scientists. Not doctors. Oh. Yeah. Research. Man, you messing me up, dude. We're going to have to cut this I'm about to come over a new bitch Maybe it's final cut on the edit here

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Some smart research. Smart researchers. Smart research. So the list rate strip. not for the mouth was pretty crazy. That was a crazy. Yeah, it was actually, you know, great idea. Great entrepreneur, super smart, scientists, well accomplished.

How many of these pitches are we getting? You get about probably like, let's say about 50 a week. So 50. Or 50 decks or deals or things that, you know, people want to, want to pitch you. Now, are you getting pitched from all different? I got actually pitch property on the moon. That was probably the wildest shit, you know, starting to build. Not dumb.

Not dumb. Not dumb. Because those minerals up there, it's like oil. Yeah, man. You know, and like when you listen to these people, they start, you know, they start fucking with you, you know what I mean? And it's like, man, you know, like the movies, like Star Wars, you're a Star Wars fan. It's like, hell yeah, I'm a Star Wars fan.

You know what I? Yeah, you know, I'm a Star Wars fan. You know, like, think about, like, look at the branding on the ships. Like somebody has to make those for us to go to space. I'm like, damn, dude. Yeah. Like, what if we own, you know, vault cone, you know, like the big ass spaceship that, you know, transported people to the moon? Like, somebody got to build the engine.

Somebody got to be the manufacturing. You know, he had me on a, we're going to build hotels. Crazy. He used a lot. A lot of. I ain't going. Someone's got to make the flex capacity. You look at a lot of these movies, though.

They do, like, these writers of these movies. They have brands. Yeah. They have really good. They're, they sometimes get it. And life imitates art. Life imitates art. Yeah.

That was a good one. Especially for that. Yeah, dude, it's crazy. Moon. And you're probably getting the pitch from so many different angles. So many different, different people. So many different types of people. I get like product companies all the way to AI companies to the moon.

the medical products. You just, you know, you just look at it. Take your time. Analyze, see if you, you know, like the conversation, like the idea. I mean, you just take your time getting to know people. Typical day for BD. Now. Jules, you got a pitch?

Huh? You got an idea for him? Do I have an idea? I ain't got anything right now. Do you got a pitch? Europa, Europa. We got that thing on Mars, but maybe we'll wait a little bit for that one.

Wait. Is he? He's already on the move. We're pre-revenue. Well, I mean, if we want to get into it, the slingshot capability of going around the moon today, we did prove that we'll probably be at Mars in probably seven years. Right. All right.

Eight years. And then, you know, the real estate over there. You know, I'm telling you right now, those gases that you get, you buy that, you never know. It's kind of like the gold rush. This is going to be 1849. No, for sure. Like, that's the way.

I'm looking at it. You know, it's like, get your time shares. NFL Mars? I mean, we're going to terror. Yeah, NFL Mars could be a thing. NFL Moon? I mean, it would happen on the Moon before Mars, right? Or Mars before the Moon.

Yeah. The moon? No, we'll get to the moon before. But why didn't we land? We should have landed on the moon. Like, why we had the boom. You know we had, did you see that one photo where it had like something moving in it? I'm not going to say that either.

You know what I mean? Hey, well, I don't live in. Well, they have. No more. You know they have, like, we have vehicles on there. On the moon? Yeah. Yeah, that's bullshit.

You think so? They have pictures. What? Rolling around? Yeah, they roll around. They get data. I believe it. They're getting data.

You got to see what we're- But ain't nobody really seen it. And we don't know. Like, ain't nobody seen it. Like. What about this also? We're not the only goddamn country over here. There's China and Russia that are definitely.

over there. I just have a hard time believing. Like, you got to show me. And then when you're showing me pictures and shit from space, everything looks so peaceful. But when you describe space, ain't shit supposed to be flying around? Like, we're supposed to see something

come through one of these satellites. It's not terrifying. A person, an asteroid, some trash, you know, a balloon. Like,

where the fuck are the balloons going, dude? It should be a gang of balloons in space. They can't get through the, They're stuck in there. They can't get through the atmosphere. Yeah. They pop by the time they get up.

Balloons don't, can't get that high. So they burn. They don't burn. But because by the time they get up to a certain area, don't they just pop? Yeah. Because of the- They'd be up there, though. There's science behind all that.

Let the balloon go as a kid was so scary, though. I never do where it went. I always wanted to hold enough balloons to see how many it take to get me go up. Like up, like in the movie? Yeah. Did you ever want to? I've never, yeah, from the movies. You always kind of want to see.

It always look cool in the movies. Yeah. Now, Bidi, what are we watching? Are we watching any basketball right now? We are. We're watching a lot of playoffs. Watch NCAA tournament. Yeah, watching a lot of playoffs.

What do we think about, I mean, these Lakers, how are they? I watched all the shit before and not one of these analysts picked the Lakers to win. everyone said that Houston was going to dominate them. Why? What's going on?

I don't know, man. LeBron is just LeBron? I kind of, like my homeboys, Zabriel Laker fans. So they kind of banned me from talking about the Lakers. All because I was tired one day on a podcast and they was like, yo, what's up with the Lakers? I was like, man, I ain't watching the Lakers. I ain't watching nobody. I ain't nobody watching the Lakers.

That's what I said. And then it went viral. and now all the fucking like all my Laker homeboys I got my door like with a Laker jersey's like food that's how you feel I thought you was a Laker

you was a Laker fan growing up I was like bro I'm you know This is not an intervention bro I was just like You can watch the game And say hey man I don't like what the Lakers

are doing early in the season I like what the way they're playing now I think the Lakers win this series I think the Lakers give O KC you know you get Luka back you got Austin Reeves, then you got a hell of a series. OKC is a buzz saw, though. But Luca is always an X factor because he can't,

they live off pressure. Constant pressure, turnovers. Luca, when he got the ball in his hand, LeBron when he got the ball in his hand, ain't too much pressure you can pressure guys that got pace. And so, OKC, Lakers, it'll be a game of pace. But it's also like, we're going to see some,

some of the top, you know, Shea, Luca, Bra, Jalen, you know, Jada, it should be a good game. Who's the MVP? Of the season? Yeah. To you. Is it Shea? Is it Whamby? Is it? Brown.

Should be J.B. It should be J.B. They never play him, bro. It should be J.D. Why do they give J.B no love ever? They give J.B. No love. It should be J.B. Thank you. For me.

Me too. Because your number one guy goes out, right? And your 1A, 1B, whatever you call it, people kind of wrote this one really, they wrote the self-ex-exam. It was supposed to be a rebuild year. Man, it's still been killing. Consistently the entire year. Consistently the entire year.

Every single game, putting them on their back. So I like him. I do like Kate Cunningham And then obviously it's going to To me it's always going to be Joker And Shea What about Wemby?

Wemby Not yet? Next year. Defensive player in a year this year But you know Do they have a shot of winning? Hell yeah They're going to win the

They got guards They got guards. If you got guards Because you got to think The team that won it last year Guard play. Guard played guards guard play. Indiana got to the finals, guard play. Right. So San Antonio got guards and they got guards that can

play fast. They got guards that can play with pace. And they got dudes that can shoot, get to the hole and they got shoot. Like, they built a dope team around, around Wemby, Deerrin Fox, and bringing in, you know, these draft picks to supplement. You know what I mean? They're, they got a top 10 next year or two. Yeah, they got a top 10. Yeah, they got a top 10. Yeah, they living in the job. I think OKC got a lottery pick too. Man, now out of the east, is Brunson going to get New York past the Celtics

or the Celtics going to go back to the ship? You know, once the Nick, always a Knicks, so I'm always Knicks over Celtics. But I mean, yeah, hell yeah. Do you think they're going to win? Yeah, I'm a Nick. Hell yeah, we're going to win. We're going to beat the Celtics.

We don't, you know, we don't fuck with the Celtics. I like J.B. I like, you know, the players, but I'm rocking with the Knicks. Is this an emotional decision or is this a... No, it's not a... emotional is it's it's brunson bawled out last night you got to put brunson brunson to me is like alan iverson in this era yeah like nobody can guard him no matter what you do he's going to get his

shot off he get hot you know it's in fuego and he can play to the moment one rubeck shout out rebox you know i was really rebu back i saw i was really rebuck too uh Cat You got Jordan Clarkson over there OG Mitchell Robinson Deuce They got talent

I want to see Jalen is X factor I want to see Cat become that one B or have a defined script Right now, he don't have a script.

He really just kind of getting his shit out the mud. You know what I mean? Like, come down, shoot threes or drive to the hole. I just, he's so effective. And he a mismatch? I love to see him have a set of plays, right? That now you can take Brunson out the game. You got another option.

I feel like the Knicks play the same way all the time. and it's a matter of like if we hot great but I what I think they will build towards especially in this round in Atlanta they're going to recognize that okay cat is another mismatch and so that's where I think that New York will be Boston

because cat is the mismatch Jaylen Brunson is the X factor that's the mismatch match always because you can put you can play big You can go small, play him at the five, and he's always going to, he's always going to be open. Yeah. So we should just load him up.

So say somehow you get transformed into Prime BD, and you have a card that allows you to play on any of these playoff teams this year. Which team are you playing for? I'm going to the Knicks. going to Knicks and you think the Knicks they're going to beat the West. Hell yeah. So you think the Knicks

are winning in the championship this year? If I went there? With Prime BD. With Prime BD? Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Do they have the best shot

without Prime D? Just. No. Yeah, they got a good shot. They got a good shot. But you're thinking that the winner's coming out of the West. Joker, Wemby.

You know what? Shea. If, fucking Halliburton don't get hurt. It's a different, I mean, we don't know what happens. We don't know what happens. Because OKC is young, right? Halliburton goes down.

They take advantage as they should. But like, everybody's healthy this year. So. Still early. Yeah, they took care of business first round. Phoenix was the team that they was going to be able to take care of business first round. Again, sweep them out. But now let's see, you know, you're going to have.

the Lakers, then you got, you're going to have another conference finals game. That's going to be tough as shit. And you got the final. So let's see the durability playing against guys who are not injured this year. Freaking Achilles, man. God. He just took out our boy Dante the other night. Jimenzzo.

Yeah. The Achilles shit is crazy. I wonder what it is. Because they're up in all sport. Is it footwear? Is it just athletes? I think it's a training, you know? Yeah, you're putting, you're getting too strong for your bodies.

Yeah, I think guys are getting too strong for their body. And then it's just too much stress. It's too much. Yeah. Like your body's not made for that. Back in the day, these guys weren't weightlifting and shit, so you didn't see as many much, like in football war. So you didn't see the Achilles. Now everyone's like pumped out so much trying to get the most out of all their body.

They're all sleep, training this, that. And it happens in all sports. I mean, the basketball guys are doing it 10 times more than what they were doing the years before. I just think, yeah, and throughout the season, like, it's a lot of working out. You know when you lift it and you're doing the band work and, like, you're stretching a lot, but you're getting tighter.

Yeah. I don't know if that happens. It was like, the more you stretch, the tighter you get. Strength brings tightness. Tightness, yes. And so you have to be even more proactive and flexibility when you get that strong. You know what I mean?

So, and then it comes into training. Do they do that? You know what I mean? And they move in different. Moving different. You know what I mean? Euro step is so much stress on your fucking. And everybody catches, like everybody is catching the ball and like starting to go.

So it's pump fake getting the middle. Boom. It's like Euro step. Like everybody's taking kind of like a longer, wider, faster. Like everything is fast to it. It's fast to it. Rarely do you see somebody catch the ball like a. Mello, Mello cast a ball and say, hold on.

Everybody calmed down. You know, like, the whole floor calms down because you're going to take it, you're going to analyze it. All right, what are they, what is the defense doing? They make his move. Everybody else is pump fake, double step back, drawing kick, jump in the air pass. Like, that's a lot of, that's a lot of, that's a lot of, that's a lot of unpredictable movement, right? Or patterns, like, you have predictable patterns.

Very true. A movement to your body. So like as a Hooper, even when we watch this game, you'll see like T-Mack, they run plays. People have plays. Eldon Campbell run plays for Eldon. Eldon ain't out pump-faking shooting threes. You know, I just kind of think that's what's happening to the game. Like you get a lot of big dudes who play out on the perimeter.

They pump-faking driving to the basket. Now, seven-footers ain't used to that shit. You go cut a seven-footer off, right? They don't have the fast-twist motions to stop, go, Euro. So, like, everybody is like, it's more spacing. Everybody's put more strain on, like, start go, start go, start go. No one makes it even crazier that LeBron James is in like his 21st year. Right.

Dude never had been hurt. Unreal. And it starts to put, like, I'm a die-hard, die-hard Jordan guy. Mm-hmm. But it's, if he fucks around and goes and wins, this year, which they were supposed to get blown out from every smart person in the NBA that I heard talking about this series. So I don't want to hear that is bullshit.

If he fuck around and goes and wins another one, I mean, it's starting to get closer and closer. I mean, because of it's incredible. It's never going to be close. Never be close? No, they're on their own little, everybody got their own little island. Michael Jordan and LeBron, like, I don't, people want to compare them, but their game is. You're comparing two different players

that play two different positions. Yeah. It's hard. You know what I mean? It's so hard. Like LeBron, we were talking about this, me and D. Will,

and we were saying LeBron is like magic. Right now he's like prime magic. Like he's always been like magic. Yeah. He's been like a magic with the Jordan shit. You know what I mean? But like if you watch him, like just the way he play,

you watch how magic. Everything is downhill. You know, everything is put pressure on the defense. Like, the way Jordan and Kobe do it, they do it differently. Like, they, they, you know, they over here with the, with the style, you know, like, they get the shots. Like, LeBron is more so like, the commander. Give me car comps. What's Jordan as a car or what is LeBron as a car?

Jordan would be a one of one, whatever the fucking, like, uh, NASA would have to build a car. LeBron is like a... One of one of SpaceX? A one of one. He's like a Bentley R. Nage. Like something... You know what I mean?

He's like something... Like something that's big, fast, smooth, sleek, you know, has some versatility, but he's not a sports car. LeBron's not a sports car Michael Jordan is a sports car Like Michael Jordan is Formula One LeBron's kind of like those new Euruses

They're like SUVs Yeah he's like a sports car Because they're as fast as fucking any He's like a monster truck Doug LeBron is like a monster truck That can do like Like get the fuck out the way Are he gonna run your ass over

Yeah and you're gonna hurt hurt before he get hurt you know it'll do 265 or something like that 254 what were you I was 215 to what kind of car were you oh man

my old school I'm probably like a low rider you caprice yeah I'm probably yeah you caprice out there on those 22s of yellow spoke no yellow smoking I probably got the Daitons and the

hydraulics yeah you know I'm showing up with the hydraulics you don't know, oh, where the bounce is going. I'm just wag. I'm just pulling the switch on a. Boom, I'm going up dark. Drop that ass. Drop that ass.

Oh, bring it. We three wheel it. Loud, music loud. Convertable hanging out the sunroof. That was kind of like my game. I like it. I like it. We'll be right back after this quick break.

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we got to go over some of the pop culture. This game took place on April 27, 2002, and this was what was going on. The Scorpion King was the number one movie. Foolish by Ashanti was the number one song. What a song. Which one is that? How does it go?

See, let me hear you sing it. And it's, my days are going out to you. I'm going with you. And my heart can take no. more. Ashanti, if you mean me for back up, I keep on running back to you running.

And then Biggie had the remix. Remember they did the police remix with Biggie? Man. Did you watch the Osbournes? Yeah. Oh my God. That blew up. That went slower and then it just took the fuck off, right?

That was like the first like OG, like real deal. That's kind of how my family was. Like, just like swearing and stuff. He's like, where's the fucking burrito? Remember the burrito? That's the only episode. I remember he kept eating he finally like ate a burrito

Ozzy Osbourne ate a burrito and he was like where's my burrito like dog he had like burritos all over the house and shit like he was that's the only thing I'm my burrito where's my burrito who ate my burrito like he was on that fucking burrito though I was like damn he just

is this his first time trying to a fucking burrito or something English rich people man rich people rich people they call them raps rich people call them raps right see that

that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's trifling Aziz had it's trifling I hate they call it a Mexican

rap a bah It's true also two days before this game bro look at Ozzy at Chipole

yeah he was he was he's OD on the burritos that episode you guys You got to go refile. It's like the funniest shit.

The whole episode is just like, where's my burrito? We should get a burrito. Everything was burrito. Oh, my God. I remember my first burrito. Geez, Ozzy. Man.

On the other side of the spectrum, two days before this, we lose left eye. Dude, that was terrible. RIP. Do you remember it in this game? Kind of? Because this was huge.

No, I don't remember. I remember her passing away, though. But it's the same time. It's the same day? Two days before, three days before. Yeah. I remember hearing her pass away being sad. I remember watching the documentary.

Remember that documentary came out on VH1? I don't think I saw it. And it followed her in Honduras. And the shit just ended at the crash. It was the weirdest. Dude, it was a documentary. I mean, whether I'm hallucinating or some shit. No, VH1 had some shit.

He had a documentary because she went to Honduras. She did the whole thing. Then at the end of the documentary, it was wild. It was almost like the camera shook. It was a crash and then it was over. Oh, you're spot on. Yeah, it followed the last 27 days of her life. About the last days of Left Eye.

Wow. Yeah. That is crazy. That was tragic. Yeah, that kind of messed me up, man. See, that was huge. Yeah. Waterfalls, creep.

Man. Well, we'll have to get back into the other side of the spectrum. L.A. Lakers and all your friends were probably happy. They won the championship this year. Timi D., MVP. Stanley Cup champions, the Red Wings. Man, they haven't won it since then, all? We just did it with Luke Robitai was on the team.

Robitai. Oh, wow. They had one more. Robitai play for the Kings. I know. He's the president of the Kings. Oh, is he? Yeah.

Oh, that's crazy. King's not top five greatest merch of all time. Yeah. Kings is it. All L.A. Tens. And I'm not. I'm a Bay kid, so I like the Sharks. The Sharks merch was sick, too.

Sharks have some cool merch. But the colors, the teal, but like the Kings. The Kings, bro. All L.A. teams. Every team that touch L.A. merchandise, fire. Number one, Raiders. Raiders is dope. Raiders, kings.

You know, the Kings took the Raiders' swag. Yeah. They used to be Lakers colors. Yeah, they used to be Lakers. Then they took the Rators. Slagging that. That sent them all the way up. And then honestly,

Dodgers hat is. As a San Francisco Giants fan grew up in the bay. You love the Dodgers? No. Secretly, secretly, secretly,

the hat is like, that and the Yankees hat. The two hats I can't wear are two of the dopest hats of all time. Yeah, I can't only wear a L.A. hat.

Yeah, can't wear that. I can't really. I can't wear a Yankee hat at all. I can't. That is not happening. Never have. Never will.

That's not happening. want to do it. But the LA, they both are cool looking hats. Yeah, they are. iconic for sure. Yeah. Like, so yeah. L.A. better know. Yeah. What was life like? What were you, what were you doing in 2002? Like, how was life? Where were we in, in life? 2002. You said this is breakout year.

Breakout year. This is where I got my big contract after this series, after this playoffs. But then you started calling Breed. Rats. I was calling burritos raps. You know, I started, you know what seafood was and wine, all that shit.

Grustations, all that. Yeah, you know, I was, I was trying to do some shit that I wasn't really comfortable. You know,

going to restaurants with suits on and shit, feet hurting. Hurt. It looked good. Pink meat, man, take that shit back. That's hard bottoms on.

They were like, excuse me, are you sure? I'm like, man, take that mom, make, you know, make my steak fucking brown dog. Everybody at the table, like, oh, my gosh, some wrong with him. He got a suit on. He got a suit on order in a brown steak. Shit, well done. Man, take that shit back again. You know.

It's called the highlight, baby. Then the chef come out. Men and the chef come out. Like, is everything okay? Yeah, you got some ketchup? Patrick Mahomes. That's what I knew. Okay.

The high life is not for me. Scargo, snail. You got some ketchup, some ranch or sannie, some black pepper. I can't just be eating this shit, man. So you get rich 2002. S-car goes out. So then we just keep it, keep it chill. Timmy Duncan.

You have any good Tim Duncan stories? MVP this year. craziest, crazy when I met Tim Duncan. The photographer now, isn't he a photographer? Isn't he doing that too now? Or he's coaching. He's coaching. He's coaching. He's working a lot of leather scenes. He's a long shorts for him.

Management. Yeah. For the Spurs. 92. Maybe. 1990. The riots? Rodney King.

Rodney King, the riots. I go to Crossroads. I am from South Central. So like, shit is happening in South Central, but they canceled school in Santa Monica. So I really don't know where to go. My history teacher sends a letter to me in the mail. It's a plane ticket to go to Ohio State basketball.

For the second week of the riots, because, like, after everything burned down, nobody knew what the fuck to do. And we all just kids in the neighborhood. So he was, he bought a ticket for the camp for that second week. I go to Ohio State basketball camp by myself. And I'm out there, you know, I'm balling. And this is fucking kid, Tim Duncan.

In ninth grade, like, he was in ninth grade, 10th grade. And the dude won every award, MVP. And everybody was talking about, like, all the other recruits for the high school. nobody was talking about this dude but he was just he never said nothing to nobody I mean obviously we was kids like what's up man like you got gay

you're like thank you man that's it thank you man thank you man that's it that's only Tim Duncan that's probably the only thing Tim Duncan said to me

or shut up on the court when he's a shut up you know I'll be talking shit you know I don't really talk shit, but like when Bruce Bowen You know what I mean? I think it was one of them games I was going at it with Bruce Bowling And he was like, man, shut up

Ohio State So Tim Duncan won all the MVPs in high school I won all MVP's in middle school And like that's how I met Tim Dobbs like man You got game man, you dope And then fast forward He's Tim Duncan Well I saw him first

You know what I mean and I don't think where's he from? The Virgin Islands. Ohio State was recruiting. Jim Jackson was my college camp counselor. Well, not really.

He showed up whenever he wanted. But he was, him, Funderberg, they were supposed to be there, but, you know, they showed up enough,

enough for us to remember. That's awesome. That's awesome. Let's jump into the game, Jackie. Get into this thing. You want to start with the magic here?

Let's go. Let's go with these 44 and 13. by young doc, young doc. Old Patrick Ewan out there. Oh my God. Old Pat Ewing. We're in like number six, like wristbands. It was, that was old days, Pat. Brought him in, brought Horace Grant in the offseason.

Traded Bow Outlaw early in this year to Phoenix for a pick that would become Amari Saddemeier. There is some drama about this year because Grant was hurt and T-Mack was starting to take. Wasn't there the drama back in those days? Grant Hill hurt as usual in the NBA. Yeah, because they were just hurt. All the time. That was it. Like,

you can't really say nothing about Grand Hill because he was hurt. So, like, T-MACs started taking off. And it's like, oh, shit, is Grant Hill coming back?

Is Grang Hill coming back? But, you know, I think this is like a time where we really figured, found out during this playoffs that Grant Hill was really, really, really hurt. Like, seriously hurt.

Yeah, that's where I remember that. Yeah, we played 14 games this year. This was Mike Miller's second year in the league. All-Stars T-Mack. This is also a team with, Mike Miller?

Mike Miller, is he, is he, is he Mount Rushmore white guys white guys shooters? Maybe no. What do you got?

Who you got? Yeah, Bart. You got Mark Price. Stockton. Dick Nguinsky. Nash? Steve Nash. Hey, you got to go Nash?

John Pestervik, European. Yeah, R.P. We give Dirk the past two. we did. There's a, Derek definitely in it. All right, well,

let's do it. I mean, he was, he was Mike. He definitely top. Yeah, he's in the top, though.

He definitely. He's in the top. Yeah, for sure. Mike Miller, again, he could, he could shoot. He could do other things, too.

You know, he could get to the bucket. He could, you know, rebound, assist. He was a nice little hybrid, but he could definitely shoot the ball.

Now, when you, when you, when you, get paired up with the magic, what's the first thing that you remember? Like,

What do we have to do to win? These little guards, they pick up full, they get hot, they come down, they fire threes, right? We cannot let these kids, we cannot let Daryl Armstrong, Troy Hudson, Mike Miller beat. They were good at it. It was just they were the X factor for Orlando. You know, you got Patrick, you got, I think Monty Williams on that team. You know, you got Horace Grant. So, you know, the league was still a big guys league,

but they were the only team that when they went small put Pat Garrity at the four or the five. Like, everybody's scrambling around because our four, PJ Brown, our four guys were more like, close out to 18 feet. Pat Garrity was stretching to the three. So our whole thing was, don't get rattled by the pressure.

We're Armstrong and Troy Hudson. Don't let Mike Miller get open looks. Don't let Pat Garrity get open looks. And then we want to send everything with T-Mack to the baseline. T-Mack comes to the baseline. When he go up, put him on his ass. You're going to follow him. Make sure he hit the ground.

And so that was kind of, and then rebound. You know, we weren't really worried about Pat at that point, you know, as far as, you know, Pat could still shoot the ball, but we wasn't really worried about Pat. Or even more so worried about Horace Grant on the offensive. And it was just more so we got to, we got, they can't out rebound us. They can't be more scrappy than us or else they'll up the pace. And we didn't have, we didn't have enough speed to keep up with it.

Yeah. Jackie, let's see what he's Charlotte. Let's go. 44 and 38 Hornets, coached by the legend, Paul Silas baby. Former Celtic grade. 2325 heading into the break A couple games below 500 Get hot in the month of March

Win 7 in a row We got to talk about MASH and this one Hurt a lot this year Missed a ton of games Ab injury Had a little anemia issue going in the playoffs That was tough loss BED was the all star this year

Final season in Charlotte We'll get more of that later But this was a team with guys like BED Jamal Mashburn David Wesley Robert Trailer Stacey Ogman The funny

Who's the guy came off the bench that was balling. PJ Brown did. Who else did? Lee Nailen. What was it? Lee Nailen. Jamal McGlore was also.

Lord. Yeah. Big Cat. Big Cat. He had a big game. It was awesome. That's a fun one in its team. Yeah, that was,

that was his breakout too. Because, like, I just remember them talking about this guy's coming on the bench. And I was like, this guy's getting like eight, eight, eight nine points for you guys. Yeah. Yeah. He was. Bryce drew in there, little white guy shooters.

If you look at our squad, six eight, six 11, six 11, six 11, six, six, six, six, six 362, 69, 618, 611, 68, 6, 6, 9, 6, 6, 8, 6 feet. Is that big? That's big. And fucking David Wesley is 6 feet. That's the starting 2 guard. Is that a smaller big team? That's a huge team outside of, you know, like, I would be the biggest guard.

Yeah, I'm the biggest guard. So if you look at our shooting guards, we'll still. Stacey Ogman. He played like a two, three, fours. But yeah, we're a big team. We didn't play with little guards. I mean, me and David Wesley were little guards, but after that, you know, everybody else who came in were more so, like, small forwards playing guard position.

George Lynch played, you know, some two. He played with Mash a lot. So we're always like a bigger team. Is it crazy that D. West felt bigger than six feet to me. I don't know why. He was thick, wouldn't he? Yeah, he got the guns. He was big.

Boy was strong. That's got to be why. Yeah, you couldn't move him. You couldn't move him. He was strong and he could put his, you know, he can hands check. Yeah. Yeah, D. Wesley was sick. Now, what do you remember about this Hornets era?

Oh, man, this is my family, man. This is my team. I remember this year was a year, MASH. He had an abdominal injury. So he had missed most of the year. Then he came back for the playoffs. Played in game one. vertigo. Crazy, bro. We're going down the court and he's just like going off the floor and we're like,

yo, what happened? He like he got vertigo, like crazy got vertigo. Like he was out for like a year. He was out for like. How did he get it? I don't know. All I remember is going down the court and seeing him like, hold on, dog, like, that's our guy. Hey, hey, hey, where are you going? Come back. Hey, what? What the fuck? Where are you going, bro? Hey, get your ass back. That's 21. 21, 6, the four assists.

That's eight of my points from the damn getting double team. Come on, man. Bring your ass back out here. He got team back over here. He got vertigo. No, he got vertigo like the first four minutes of the game. It was wild because he was like, oh, something happened. He was gone.

He was gone. It wasn't like he waited in the locker room. Like, and back then it wasn't like, we had like this crazy. Like, we didn't even have really have a medical staff, medical staff. Like, nobody was coming in the locker room. He was gone. Done. Gone.

Vertego. Like, damn. And, you know, people like, what the hell is vertigo? It's like, man, when you're dizzy, you can't see. It's like, when you're, like, he still can't play. Like, he came play. Like, hell no. You can't, like, judge anything.

Yeah. You're just far down. Yeah. You can, your depth perception is off. It's fucking. That's, it's, it's fucking. That was crazy. It was like he had vertigo.

I was like, damn. These were some sick-ass uniforms, too. And the swag. All the time. What shoe did you wear? I think I was in the Air Force ones at this point. Or the dunks or the high top dunks. High top dunks.

I was balling in dunks. You guys didn't wear like your starter's jackets anytime off the cord. No, no. But they were fine enough too. I mean, if you wanted to get in the club and you got jeans on or. tennis shoes you go this was headband era BD too

Headband Yeah The headband This is what I was rocking the headband All right Let's jump into the game All right All right

I want to ask BD Was like being a LA kid living in Charlotte bro in 1997 What is it? Oh man it was crazy For me it was like Oh you're from

Because Jack's from Charlotte Yeah so it was like Going to college Okay I mean that's the way I looked at it I had my own apartment I lived in

South Park Because you didn't really go to college When you came here to LA Because you're your home I was like Well I stayed on campus Yeah but I mean But it's still your home

Yeah Well UCLA was like Its own little world I didn't really Try to like Go too far out of the UCLA confines

You know what I'm saying Like or the world Because I get in trouble Yeah 1,000% You know I was trying to You know

Be a good example to my teammates in Westwood. But Charlotte, it was like, we had an apartment complex, Derek Coleman State Theater, Rick Casner, Eddie Jones. Oh, Eddie Jones, bro. Yeah, Eddie Jones is my rookie year. And so I would just go to P.F. Chang's, Dean and DeLukas,

and I would go to the movies anytime we have a day off. So I go watch like two or three movies. Cheap living? It was so much cheaper than I live in a L.A. You go over there by Park Road? Park Roos. Then now you know why it was so. I was in Ohio.

I think we were like $1,800 a month for a day. Like a six spot. Yeah, bro in Charlotte back in. Two car garage. Barbecue was good? Yeah, it was good. Was it North Carolina barbecue? Hell yeah.

The big dudes used to order barbecue during training camp. I know Robert Traylor was eating that. We used to get in trouble. Rest and peace, Elman Campbell, do. He is the greatest, one of the greatest people in my life, greatest teammates ever. He was like, yeah, we got to have some food after these two days. and they was like,

you know, the team didn't want to pay for it. Man, that dude ordered some barbecue after the second practice. Coach of his piss. Coach Silas was pissed. He was like,

we're fucking working and trying to get in shape. You all are eating barbecue and sweet tea and shit. Shout out, Elton Campbell. That's legendary. Boy, was that when y'all were practicing

down like four mill and shit? Yeah. Yeah. We were practicing in Fort Mill, dude. I was out there. I used to pass carolins every. I used to go to carolans all the time. Shout out this game.

Shout out. I was at the game before this. Oh, the game before this. Bill Walton was there too, doing the Where's Walton? Remember that? You go to a different game every night. Yeah.

Iconic, man. Hold on. Not to derail us here. I got to pull up this picture, BD. This is insane. From the game before this in this series. We'll be right back after this quick break. This May, IHeart Radio celebrates Asian Heritage Month.

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on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart women's sports. Is that me? And am a legend, man? Oh man, this is insane. Hold on.

One of the greatest people ever, man. One of the best. This is crazy, bro. What's a fun, Walton's story? Oh, man. For the game, real quick, I. People was at this game in Charlotte. The story is,

make him say, bro, all-time duo right here. We love Bill Walton. We love how he talk, how he represents, in UCLA. So every time I would see Bill Walton, I would do Bill Walton on Bill Walton. So let me hear Bill Warren.

Because I know he would do, he's gonna, he's gonna be bearing one of the greatest guards in UCLA history. LA legend explosive could find people not only that smart, articulate. And I'm like, thank you,

thank you. So when I see him before I go, Bill Walton, NBA great legend pioneer in the game UCLA aficionado national champion NBA MVP final I just start going

yes and then he'll give it right back to you dude he's like you can't wait you're not going to beat Bill Walton you're not going out Walton oh no because he got the words you know what I mean like Bill Walton got them words he like he was like a poet

dude unmatched vocabulary and like you could watch a game and you, you would be listening to Bill Walton. And not watching the game. And sometimes you would, like, not really paying attention to the game. But he was, I'd never forget one of my funny, the funniest Bill Walton, uh, I was a kid watching the Clippers.

And he, and Michael Olua Candy blocks a shot. The Candy Man. Michael Olua Candy blocks another shot. Michael Ola-Wa-Candy blocks it. I think I've never seen that done in NBA history. He was like, Michael Ola-Wa-Wan-Kandy, one of the greatest sinners.

I was like, yo, I'm sure people have blocked like three shots in a row. But he was the announcer for the Clippers. It was like, damn, dude, did Michael-O-Lis-L-W-Kandy going to be the next great sinner? Bill Wong gassed you up, dude. Oh, my God, bro.

He put that five. He put that fire on them feet, dude. Hey, you'll see him and you'd be like, yo, I'm about to score five touchdowns today. The vocab. Throw it down. He's such an unbelievable vocabulary. Oh, his vocab was crazy.

I mean, it's just like it was, you were listening to like an acid trip. But the trip was matching the game whenever he'd be talking about. It was his poetry. It was the best. He was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, a savant. Yeah.

And he loved the game so much that, like, that's kind of, like, how I judge players. That's why I look at players like artists. There's a big reason because, like, how Bill Walton always saw somebody and, like, pumped him up for who they, like, he saw only the good trades. Yeah. He was so positive, man. Shout out to the legend. RIP, shout out.

RIP. That's one of my favorite Bill Walton stories ever, BD. That was awesome. You do an incredible B.D. this. Throw it down. Throw it down. He had a show call throw it down.

Yeah. Yeah. We shot a, uh, that was one of the last things he shot was throw it down. Man, well, I was hearing colors. I was seeing sounds. Oh man, I love Bill. All right. Back to this game.

I'm sorry. Game one, this is game three, of course. Back then it was a five game series in the first round. So you just had to win three. So game one, Charlotte takes that 89, 80 to 79, BD 28, game two Orlando wins it 1111 103 T-MAC responds 31 this is the four-five matchup and the hornets had into the season three out of five one on the other hand Orlando lost four out of five so on a little bit of a skid rolling into this one and as we mentioned earlier mash was out for this game which which was a big loss but yeah game one we came back a stalled a ball from T-Mack to win game one game but they was kicking our ass all game one game two they realized, oh, they ain't got no match. They kicked our ass.

So we're going into game three in Orlando. And at the time, I think Team Mac was, you know, like, we're finally going to make it out the first round. I'm going to make it out the first round. Like, he was on that. So you guys took that as a dis? No justice, no peace. No justice, no peace.

That was our slogan. No justice, no peace. That was a team mantra right there. No justice, no peace. Anyone get tattooed? Uh-uh. Good. No, we was going to beat their ass.

Like, Rodney King got... What is he? Oh, my God. We was going to beat their ass like Rodney King got his ass beat. No justice, no peace. Oh, my God. Oh, man. Down there in Orlando.

Only fucking Baron Davis. Jackie, bring this game down. Oh, man. This was a... We're all canceled. Oh, man. This was a game of run from the... rips game of runs from the rip uh Orlando started this thing hot 16 to 4 got it out to a 20 to 2

22 to 8 deficit there but Charlotte responded on a big way the first six minutes 22 to 8 the next eight and a half minutes 32 to 5 tie this thing up BD has a dope slam wait a minute tell me the art of the run on being on the winning side and then how you feel when you're on the losing side. I mean, you know, we coming out of game. You guys know it's going to come? You guys know the shit's happening. We just got to, you know, usually in the beginning you just got to settle down. You know, the game

going to have runs. You don't, you know, in our area, you don't want it to get too far out of it, too far out. Orlando, they came out hot. Obviously, they were mad that they lost game one. They should have won. They should have been up too, oh. And so, you know, they at home,

we know, like, we got to weather that first storm. Let's just, let's get something to settle us down. And so once I think, once they make their run, it was like, all right, we got to get to the bucket. Like, fuck everything. Like, we got to play better defense. Get to the bucket, get some steals.

We got to go and start, you know, asserting ourselves and not being, you know, so passive, waiting for us to, like, catch a rhythm. So who starts the, who flips the switch? I think I do. E.D. was hot in that first half. I think I do. I think, I think in the, yeah, I think it was more.

more so like, well, shit, no match, you better step up. Here's your opportunity to, you know, take 29 shots, baby. Let it fly. That's probably a career high, I'm sure. Yeah, I was like, shit, I'm taking the shots. BD, from a philosophy standpoint, I know everything's Celtic-centric with us. And Joe Mazzul always, like, lets them play through it on these runs. Are you a timeout quick guy, or where do you stand on that to stop a run?

It depends. Yeah, I know. Yeah. It depends. analytics. It's a feel. Yeah, it's a feel. A timeout is just sometimes to like recalibrate.

A timeout is sometimes to wake you up. You know what I mean? A timeout is sometimes when they go on a run. Stop the bleeding. Yeah. But like that timeout, you go to 60, Orlando going to 164, we call timeout. They over there celebrating. They feel good.

You know, they're going to let up a little bit. They're not going to, like they don't have. the same frequency. They got to come back and ratchet that up again after a timeout. So I think that's feel. I'm with you, feel. I'm in favor of the timeout to stop some bleeding,

but I don't know. At the half, or second quarter comes out, 13 to nothing run, Charlotte starts on, get hot. We got a little scuffling here, just shows him some bad blood T-Mack,

tries to take a charge on Robert Trailer coming down the lane, bold move. And then, wouldn't really get him get up. His feet were tangled around Robert Trailer's feet and that little scuffling suit. But rest of peace, chacked it chow. You better not get in front of chris.

Bro, you got to be a bold man to take a charge on that. T-Mack heard his back in this series, too. Legit. Yeah, that was messed up. Yeah, we both got. You had the eating pad on the sidelines like every time he went, sat down. Yeah. Hot pack.

Hot pack. Yeah, that's all they had. Yeah. Got to go hot. Hey, dog, that's all they had. Hot pack and that's it. And then nothing. And some tape.

Get a hot pack and, huh? bands bands my ass we didn't even have a stretch bands we didn't even have them yet man got the hypervole none of that we didn't have none of that no massage gun none of that tape ice heat tape ice heat and uh bangay yeah that was it bro that's like you see those old clips of larry burton his back was bad just laying down ain't nobody yeah when larry brown leg burn laid out nobody over there working on his back or or it's some of it's something. O-Aids or, you know, IT band, hell no. Let me just go lay over there on that hard. It's like, it's going to get better. Hey, give some heat on it. Give him two cigarettes.

Get some rest. Here's a, here's a pain pill. You'll be all right tomorrow. Here's a Vikingid. You'll be good. Oh, my God. Pre-Tort-all. Now, this had to be pretty cool

going against T-Mack. I mean, you guys are battling against each other. He throws up a bunch of numbers. You throw up a great bunch of numbers. Me and two is the same high school class. Same high school class. Timak went pro out of high school. T-Mack, before he goes pro, he come to hang out with BD in L.A.

I take him in South Central. Hey, Mac. My bad. I think I fucked up the first time T-Mack hung up. I had him down at, I had him in the east side because, you know, I'm still in high school. Not the east side, but midtown. No, no, no. This is the east side.

We're on the east side at my cousin Chick 99-cent store. at the swap meet. You know, I ain't got too many locations. I go to swap meet. They're selling food stamps and all kind of socks and T-shirts and shit. Man, we got to go to 99-cent store. You know, and it's hood. Yeah.

And I don't think T-Mack. I don't think T-Mack like that. Hey, it's that. I'm done. We're not at Mountain Zion Academy in Durham anymore. I'm never hanging out with Baron Davis again. Welcome to L.A. I don't have no resources, man.

Where was he from? Florida. Went to high school in Durham, Mount Zion for a minute. Yeah, we got back, we got back on the, to the west side. He was talking and everything. Hey, have I asked Matt. He can tell you. He was like, no way.

Hey, Matt, come. Nope. I'm good. You want to come? Nope. Come hang out? Nope. I don't know what be.

on. I'm cool. He probably thought like, damn, dude, I feel sorry for this dude. He ain't going to make it. It shows the road. He shows the road you had to overcome. Look at it. Man, man. Now, can we get into one thing about this game?

How bad was the officiating? Did they have money on this game or something? Because there was a few calls, bro. We got, I mean, one, we're Charlotte Hornets. We're not going to get any calls. any favors. True. They got a superstar, they're Orlando,

they got the light, they got T-MAC, All-Star, you know, at that, you know, back in the day, too, you got to think the NBA had a lot to do with the marketing of teams as well, like in players.

And so, like, NBA entertainment, which Adam Silver was, I think he was running at the time, NBA entertainment was popping. It was like, if NBA entertainment came, it was going to shoot you, the moon, you get the marketing

deals. So Orlando and T-Mack and obviously Grand Hill, they already had commercials and shit like that. We was just Charlotte, right? So we always had this underdog approach that we were never going to get anything handed to us anyway. Any trash talk

in this game? Hell yeah. Who's the trash talkers of the team? It wasn't like, just like little subtle shit. Yeah, like everybody, nobody on our team talked trash. I didn't talk trash. Nobody really talk trash it was just you ain't gonna really be talking no trash back then dude because

dudes to see you after the game you know it was different oh you okay after the game all right we still in Orlando I'm gonna catch you at the restaurant I guess up so it wasn't like you had to be you have to be somebody who really talks shit you know throwing them things like Sam Cassell he talked shit but he wasn't like offensive you know what I mean it was like playful but I like Sammy. Yeah. That's your face. Ha-ha.

Like, face. Oh, Beattie, what you're your joffo? He just be talking the whole time. You know, like, it's people like that. That talk, talk shit, be talking to people. You know, he ain't going to do nothing. Like, more so you would say like, oh, he ain't going to do nothing.

He would us. But talking shit wasn't really. Like, Tractor would say, man, I beat your ass. That was his main thing. Or a big guy was like, you know, I beat your ass. We just had dudes that I was like, you don't talk shit to PJ Brown. He would beat your ass. Like, we just had dudes that were, you know, like.

They're about it. Yeah, and, you know, I'm very playful. You know what I mean? And, like, joke. So I had to come in and figure out, okay, he ain't joking today. Let me go. All right, PJ ain't in the mood. Great PJ Brown game.

This game, 217, baby. Yeah. PJ was clutch. PJ was always clutch. PJ one of the most underrated players For real, I remember him on that Celtics team at my life Yeah All right, so let's talk about second half

It's coming down to the end You guys had a lead And then you guys kind of gave it up They're coming back from behind Team Mac cools off in the third too Huh? Demack really cooled off in the third T Mac cools off in the third

What are you feeling at the end of this game Like oh shit They're coming back What are we doing? At that point it was back and forth Yeah crazy It was just going like It was just going back and forth

back and forth, back and forth. If they get up two or they get up three, hit a three, we come back, score. Then we hit a three. It was, the score was changing down there every time you came up and down the court. So it was like every possession counted. Every little, every score you could get counted in that game. For real. And then T-Mack hits a three with a minute 13 left to tie it up.

That would be the last basket of the game that counted, I will say. That takes us to the final moment. a rebound. Yep. Insane. 92.92. 0.7 seconds left. Side O.B. Baron, can you take us through that, this infamous play? Yeah, so, uh, the play was I was supposed to come off.

I don't even think I was supposed to get the ball. I was supposed to come off a pick and we were trying to get something at the rim. And I had T-Mack guard me. So, you know, my Julian Edelman shit. Boom. Pushed off. double back I ran like a zig

you know what I mean I turn route yeah a little return boom hit the free throw push then came back to the top caught it and I knew I had time

to get it off because we play around like that all the time and so when I shot it I was like oh shit this is good because I'm watching the ball I'm like oh shit

this is about the bank in I'm watching the ball bank but the red hadn't even hit The red not even come on the clock till the ball hit the back. Damn near hit the backboard. And then I just, I just popped my collar. You know, bam, get off me, flee.

You know what I mean? Just hitting with that pimpism. Bang, with two of them. And then the referee was like, no, no, no. And then I, you watch. Did you call bank? No. No, okay. I call game.

Like Paul Pierce said. That's right. Game. That was a sick bar when Paul said. All-time Pee, line. But I saw the ref waving it off. And that's why, like, I couldn't even really get him. We couldn't really celebrate.

I beeline to the referee and start cussing his ass out. What did you say? Everything. Everything. What did he say? What was his defense? Freaking Bernie Friar. It was no good.

No way you could have got the shot off. He had called it off. Before. Way before the shot even. I remember watching. Let's see it real quick. A little return. He was waving both.

Before. Unreal. I'm like, check, check the, I'm like, check the video. Why couldn't they check the video? Because there was no replay. See, he's telling him, there's no way you can catch the ball and shoot with 0.7. It's unbelievable. After the game, Bernie Fryer said, you can rely on the clock, but I'm going to rely on my judgment. Like, what?

Yeah, he was, he was, he, he, he's a he a he a hell of weirdo. He fucked my NBA moment up. Like, this supposed to be. living through the playoffs commercials. Yeah. Bro. He killed me. He killed it off.

Who was the ref's name? Bernie Fryer. BD. is it true that I heard KG one time said that like this old school style refuges you just say crazy stuff, like talk back to players and stuff? Oh man. You know, the rest back then, they had personality. They tell you to shut the fuck up.

Like the Dick Bavetta's... Like Dick Bavetta was great. Like Dick, Dick Bavetta, you could talk to him. he'd talk back, you know, but you don't want to get on his bass. Right. I can see that. There's that Bernie Fryer. Who else was that?

What's the little dude that kicked me out and going to stay? He was a little mean little dude. Oh, man. As soon as you see a little military, just mean. And he'd come to the game, mean. Joey, what's his name? Oh, Joey Crawford? No, not Joey.

Joe Crawford was black. He's another infamous one. Joey Crawford was cool. He was all right. What in Hugh Evans? Man, what was this name? Everybody known. Joe Mill?

No. Man, look at the most. The dude who Rashid Wildis hate the most. Just put it in AI. Is it Joey Crawford? Is it Joey Crawford? I think. Let me hold on.

I got a picture. Boy, a white dude. Yeah. That's Joey Crawford. Joey Crawford. Let me see here. He comes to the guy. Yeah, he was a mean little.

This dude. He walked like this. That guy? Yeah. Oh, man. He walked like this. Great guy. I'm on the court.

Don't fuck with him, dude. He threw me off of clapping. He's supposed to snap. In the playoffs. He was like, stop clapping. I was like, boom, pop. You're gone. Jesus, bro.

Quick with the whistle. How does it feel it would be tossed? Embarrassing it. Is it embarrassing? Fuck you. Hell you. Just imagine. Doesn't look like it nowadays.

You. You can't play anymore. Get out of here. You're out of here. Especially if you ain't really do nothing, dude. We'll be right back after this quick break. This May, IHeart Radio celebrates Asian Heritage Month. Discover powerful stories, vibrant cultures, and unforgettable music.

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Oh, that was the Dallas series. Chris Mullen and Mitch Rich Rich Rich. They was waiting for me, and they was like, man. You know, we talk, I'm like, it's bullshit. Everybody's saying his BS. But they, like, you know, you can't do that, dude. It hurt the team. I was like, no, I wouldn't even.

You know, I'm just trying to play there. I was like, especially, you know, and we're watching the game. You see that dude right there? He's going to get kicked out in two minutes. I go take a shower, dude. I come back, put my shit on, my clothes on. Guess who coming in the locker room? Stephen Jackson.

I couldn't let you. I couldn't leave you hanging. I couldn't have some bullshit, fine. I couldn't leave you hanging. I was like, and then Molly didn't look at me. And they're like, see? You see what you started?

I'm like, my bad, we'll fix it. Let's go. Oh, man. How do you guys lock back in for OT and win this thing? Man, I was pissed. It was just more. Yeah, I was pissed. I think we were on a, like,

we were mad that we got to go to overtime. I think Orlando was relieved that the shot didn't count. So, like, coming back out, I just, you know, a couple shots went out. You know, they missed a couple shots. And then I wasn't messing around. I was like, yeah, we got to put these dues away. So we got up on them. Hornets House scored him 18 to 8 and O T.

Take that 110, 100 win and the series after this. Baron finished with 33, 14, and 10, bro. Triple double. Team Act 37, seven, and three. Great duel. Great duel between two legends. That was a fun. That was a fun game to watch. It was. Slept on game. If you're a real ball and then, go back and check it out. commercials. We could have maybe got a Pepsi contract. Yeah. We could have got something.

Could have got something. Nothing, bro. Ornitz leave. Still got the win, though. We moved in New Orleans the next year. So the crazy thing was, like, we had no home court advantage. We have like maybe 8, 7,000 people at our home games, 22,000 people the year before in the playoffs in the same arena.

And so when we played the next series, Jersey, we was like 5, 6,000 people there. It was nobody in the arena because we were moving. That was the year that we were moving to New Orleans. That's, I mean, that's a successful year. If you have a team that has the distractions of moving and they still win a playoff series, Yeah.

That's a big year. It's insane. It was insane, dude. Dude, I remember people had F. George Shin T-shirts in the parking lot. People hated that, dude. People hated them. He brought Woolridge in to, like, move the team. We went to New Orleans, who was not even ready for a team, dude.

They had no idea that we were there. They're like, what? We got a team? Like, what? Pelicans, what? Yeah. It was like, what? We got a team.

We outside on fucking Burbank Street passing out flyers and shit. Hey, man, the hornets are here. That's when you should have let Master P be on the team. Easy. Easy we want to sell out. Should put a little wine on the team. Lil Wayne. The whole birdman, everybody.

Cash money. We said I are somebody from cash money. You said with nobody at them damn games. People were coming to the games because they heard that it was some more shit going on in New Orleans. Yeah. So we had to like go and make new fans. How was the food in New Orleans? It was good.

Or do you have a spot? What was that Dupree's spot? What is it? Dupreeze was good. I think I went. We used to eat at, what's it called? Camilla Grill. That was the only spot that stayed open,

kind of like late night by our house that wasn't in the quarters. I didn't really go to the quarters too much. Why not? Well, nothing is. It was dirty. Dirty throw up and a bunch of drunk people. And, you know, I ain't no drinker like that. Yeah.

Or no drunk. So I don't like being a wrong. I get it. Like, I do not like being around drunk people, though. I get it. Drunk people are the most annoying people in the world. Yeah, it's kind of like... And then they want to fight and it's like, man, you're drunk, bro.

I'm sober. Like, what are you thinking? It's kind of like an 11-month-year-old, like an 11-month child. Yeah. You know, like, they're just like walking, trying to bobbing. They try to go to where they're not supposed to go. Get the fuck away from the electrical outlet. Yeah, for real.

Why are we going to that? The one thing that you can't go to. It's like, where's danger? Here I go. That's exactly what it is. All right, before we grade this, BD, we ask all our guests. What does basketball mean to you? Basketball is life.

The actual basketball is my instrument or my pen or my paintbrush. And so basketball is art, art. imitates life and if it wasn't for that basketball like I don't I don't know how my world would look and so basketball is my world everything that I've done every ticket every plane trip every city I've seen every person that I've met people that I admire like basketball has been like this magic magic ball, magic globe that's

is my everything. I love it. There'd be no listering strips either. That's right. No listing strips. You're welcome. Man. Stop.

Let's name the game. Let's name the game. One thing is the NBA would use replay for end of course situations in the future. Moving forward. After this. Yep. And a couple of bad calls in the playoffs. All right, these are the names we came up with BD.

If you have a game that you want to call it, we can call it that. But we came up with the disallowed shot game, BD's three game, BD versus T-Mack, O-T at Amway, the Bernie Friar game, or the 0.7 second game. Or something else. Or something else. I like the B-D versus T-Mack and the 0.7 second game. So we'll combine. Did we combine last time too, I think? We did. I like that.

I think that. Nice little mashup. So you combined them. We name it BD versus T-Mack, the 0.7 second game. Score the game. Is this the greatest game of all time? Let's score it. We always encourage using decimals.

The stakes of this game three round one of the playoffs game to you, BD. To me, the stakes were high. It was out of 10. This was, you know, a game where, really no mash on the road. So this was my first star rolls. So I say the stakes, 10. 10?

There's a lot of pressure, man. Not an elimination game. Not an a limb game. Maybe eight. All right. I'll go 8.7. But I think, you know, you tied one. Personally, you tied one.

So it's like, uh, I don't know the five, three. That's a five series. that is like an important game. It's in the game seven is game five, two, two, game five. This is game three. It's a best of five.

It's only five. It's only five games. So I say for me it's probably a nine two for the state. Nine two. It's, you know, we already lost one at home, so we got to go still one on the row. Jeez. We were a little low six four for me. At a seven point one.

Not elimination game. First round of the playoffs. I mean, I mean, it should be all right for me. For you, for you. Absolutely. Yeah. The start. power of this game,

zero to ten decimals encouraged? I would say eight. T-Mack being the 10, everybody else being... Patrick Ewan. BD. Old A Patrick Ewing. Yeah.

I'll say it's about an eight. Like you, Patrick Ewing, Star Power, T-Mack. They had the star power. We just had a good team. I'm going 8.1. Shout out Tim Brown. 7.9. I also win the same point in Rangers.

The game play of this game. This is an electric game. I mean, you guys are going back and forth. You guys jumped out game of runs. Yeah, I say 9-5. Aida missed call affecting the game so dramatically, though. But thankfully, the ball. It was a great game to watch.

Yeah, I go back and refile on it sometimes. I'm going to go 8.6. Very good. Bullshit. Bullshit at big time. I was at 8.0. At 8.1. This could be the ball don't lie game.

Yeah, I mean. When that thing in OT? That's a good name. That's a good name. Now, the name of the game, BD versus T Mac, the 0.7 second game. 8.8. 8.8. Shout out Michael Irine. I'm going to go with a, I'm going to go, I'm going to go, I'm going to go 8.9. Shout out Steve Smith.

Brock Bowers. 6.8. I have a 5.1. 5.1. Where does that put us? I just don't know a ball. Where does it put it? It's a 7.96.

So that's going to put us as our tied for our 66th game with the Miracle in Miami, BC versus Miami, the Doug Flutty game. It's tied. The Hill Mary? Yeah. Oh, Miracle. Miami. Wow. Veritec-A-Rod fight game.

Is that the fight? I think it was, yeah, with Casey Affleck. Casey Affleck. Shout out. And that's it. Bidi, we miss anything from this? Oh, my movie. I got a movie coming.

What's going to? The last shot. Last shot. Where can we find this? It's called Last Shot. Not the last shot. Last shot. We just did Dallas Film Festival.

We got a couple festivals coming up, but it's a basketball movie. I play a coach. Cool. Amy Presley? Jamie Presley, Michael Rappaport. My young boy, Dylan. Shut out, Mike. Yeah.

Mike's crazy. I love it. It's a fun story. It's a kid who, you know, in L.A., his dad is, you know, a little bit, not all the right ways put together, but a good dad. They have a great relationship. The mom is a music executive in Nashville for a country star, so she's not really involved in his life. Dad passes away. He goes to live with his mom.

And basketball is like his, really his only, like, um, way of coping. And so he joins the basketball team, coached by me, but the kid and his mom and the kid has all kind of problems. So we just try and help him overcome,

you know, uh, his move to Nashville. Amazing. Where can we find it? What's it going to be on? Um, I don't know where it's going to be on,

but you can follow us on Last Shot, the movie. We're going to work these film festivals. And then I know that, you know, the guys are working on a nice distribution deal, streaming deal, so it will be out probably sometime around September, October. Let's go. So it was just on my little promo run.

This is screening May, May 16th at Lincoln Road. What is that? I don't know. In L.A.? or in Miami. I don't know. I think it's Miami. Yeah. Yeah, we're on the Sarkville Festival Festival Circuit.

That's awesome. Last shot. Let's go. Everyone go check out business inside the game. Overdose. Overdose footwear, team big.io. And then our cafe, what we got? Oatmeal?

Ommill Radio Cafe, West Adams, West Jefferson, the best lattes, macho juice, cappuccinos, cold brew. mix, mix, drinks. Lates? Yeah, lottys for sure. Got it all. I'm the latte guy.

What's your latte order? What's your oatmeal order? So we got an oatmeal raisin latte. Ooh, yeah. We got a honey, lavender, vanilla latte. We got a banana cream latte. You got a regular lodge, two sugars. Yeah

Yeah, boss and shit Yeah, we got a lady She's doing a little furniture lady She come over here She, she ordered the same shit She's not playing around She's a little East Coast I'm like, won't you

I'm not trying any of that I just want my coffee Coffy BD Thanks for coming on my dog Thank you big dog You're the man You're the man

Man What a game And what's some What about these stories? BD is full of his impressions. His impressions. His impression. High school, Tim Duncan.

BD is the man. Friend of the pot at this point. I mean, neighbor of the pot. Legit. Legit. On the other side of town, I guess. But he keeps on tell me that.

East West. That's a great news story. Jesus, B.D. Bro, I mean, I see him over here. I see him every Monday. Bros Rose. I don't want to Docs BD, but geez. Gosh.

He's out here, man. He's an angelino. I love. I love Baron Davis, man. Me too. He's an all-timer. It was really, I was a huge fan of him as a kid. And to be able to, like, kick it and, and just talk with him.

And you could tell he's, we're getting genuine BD. It's so cool. It really is, bro. Like, that was so insane. Grew up watching BD like in my backyard. It's crazy. We were supposed to, we were the last seed. Legit.

That was the last time I watched. We believe. We believe. BD, got to get him back on for the third time. This is where he got, he took off. This is where it all started. Legit. Like Paul Seidel said, bro, this is your team now.

Man. Get in there. I mean, we could have talked to old Hornets, Master. Could have talked for another two hours. Bill Walton stories. Well, that was the feeling when we had him on the first time. Yeah, it's still the same that you can have him back on. He's the best.

My cheeks are, I was laughing so hard. I was dying over here. His storytelling is awesome. He's a fucking, he's a baller. BD. Love him. Thanks again to Baron Davis. Go check out everything he's got going on because he's a busy man.

He's got a lot. What are the shoes? Overdose, 3D printed, house shoes, everything, lifestyle. Last shot. Last shot movie. Jamie Presley, acting. We got business inside the game. Bidi's a busy guy.

Busy. He's not just retiring. I see him out there. And dad life. At basketball. And the soccer. The moon. The moon.

Invest in the moon. Check out. Shout out moon. Check out. Listerine strips. I mean, all sorts of deals. Fucking baller. Baller, bro.

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