Games with Names - Best Moments of 2025 in the Nuthouse

Episode Date: January 1, 2026

Gronk and Julian Edelman's best moments from the podcasts this year including hilarious moments with guests like Bill Burr, Ice Cube, Matt Light, Will Campbell, and more!Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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dudes, we've scored games, we've hosted plenty of legends, and we've had a whole lot of fun. We had a big year. What about games with names? What were your favorite episodes from this year? So many good ones. Loved having Big V-on. Dan Soder had me cracking up talking about living in the bay when he didn't live in the bay. Jeannie Buss, we had the queen of L.A.

Thanks to all of our awesome guests. loved getting to have Light, Slate, Niko, Will Campbell. We had Will Campbell on, all of those dudes, too. Remember to like and subscribe to both dudes on dudes and games with names and follow both shows across our social media platforms. Let's look back to some of the best moments from the Nut House in 2025. Did you see that recent one that Lawrence Taylor drove by Giant Stadium? You saw the lights on and he was like, oh, fuck, I have a game?

Yeah. And showed up in the first. quarter? He showed up late. They benched him for a series and then he went out and I think he had like seven sacks. All right. I'm going to tell a story. Okay. I don't feel like I'm talking out of school here because this is, this is a funny story. So I'm doing inside the NFL. Phil Sims is on the show and Lawrence Taylor is coming in. So it's Phil, Chris Collinsworth, Lawrence, Lawrence Taylor, and me, right? I mean, one of those classic, like, what in the hell am I doing here, right? So Lawrence hasn't showed up yet.

So Phil tells me a story. I can't believe Lawrence Taylor's going to be here. I mean, that guy was, he's just like he literally changed the game. And I was just going on and on about him. It goes, you know what's funny about that guy? He goes, he didn't even know the names of the teams in the leagues. I go, get the fuck out of you. He goes, yeah, he goes, one time he goes, we were, we won some game.

They were on the road and they're on the team playing. They're all hyped. And Lawrence is psyched. And Phil goes, yeah, hey, man, you know, if the Redskins lose, then we're going to be in first place in our division and Lawrence goes oh yeah he goes he goes who's in our division and Phil goes you don't know who's in our division

and he goes man I don't give a shit right and I'm thinking like that is the genius of him let's say I don't need extra information in my head you have a different uniform than me I'm going to ruin your day so I thought it was a hilarious story but as always you know you think maybe put a little mustard on it or whatever 10 minutes later

Lawrence Taylor comes walking in him and Phil both just start laughing, which was great. They just saw each other. They started laughing. They hugged and everything. You just know all this shit that they did back then. Who knows, right? So Lawrence sits down and he starts telling stories, right?

They just start telling a thing. And in the middle of one story, he goes, we were down in New Orleans. And we were playing the – and he goes, Phil, what's the name of that team in New Orleans? And he goes, the Saints. He goes, we play in the Saints. It was unbelievable. And then fat sports writers would say that, you know, they're – They would say that he wasn't smart.

He was blah, blah. It's like, that's like some Einstein shit. I'm wearing the same shit every day. So my brain doesn't. I only need to worry about like, you know, you hear all those stories, how he would sleep through meetings and then get up and diagram the whole play. Or they would ask him if it was okay.

The guy is like a fucking. Savant. Genius. Genius. But the fact that he didn't even know, like the fact that he's almost like a housewife in the level that he doesn't know the names of the teams. Yet he's the most alpha dominating player that I ever saw. but you know why he seems like he fell out of the sky

is because his favorite player was Hollywood Henderson and he was sort of he was like Hollywood Henderson was the gap as far as the linebacking position between like you know Dick Butkus in that era and him he came and it looked like he was an alien

it was because unfortunately Hollywood Henderson had like substance abuse problems and it affected his career but one of the greatest play another underrated at play. Ninety-six, the Steelers are playing the Cowboys. And the Steelers kick off.

Guess who receives it? Hollywood Henderson. They had a linebacker receiving their kick in 1976. Like that just didn't happen. And he took it all the way down the field to like their 45. And Roy Jarela, their kicker just sort of dove like that. And his linebacker knee hit his ribs. Broke him.

Yeah, and fucked him up for the game. And it's a really hard game to watch if you're a Cowboys fan because they were running reverses. I think that's what it was. It was a reverse on the kickoff, and they were doing all of this shit, and then they got up, and then they just sat on the ball,

and the Steelers kept playing, and then they came back and beat them. Man, how does it feel to be that old to remember a 1976 game that great? I watched it on YouTube. The first one I watched was 78. What's the first game you remember watching, do you know? Some O.J. Simpson was playing in, like, the early 7.

And my, yeah, my dad's screaming at the TV. I, or something on my grandfather going, you know, he's the old days. He's like packing a pipe to smoke it inside. Was he Sherlock Holmes? No, old men smoked pipe. And I got to be honest with you, to this, both my grandfather smoked pipes. And to this day, if I smell pipe smoke, it puts me in, like, the greatest mood. Because both my grandfathers would these amazing, like, guys, guys.

Yeah, so that was probably the first one. But I've also, like, gone back and, like, I've watched all of this history of the NFL. And I'll tell you, a great guy, and he just passed away, unfortunately. And the NFL never gave him his due was this guy, Marlon Briscoe. Brisco. He played for the Broncos, black quarterback, they drafted him. He was, like, second or third string or something like that. And both white quarterbacks go down.

This is, like, the late 60s. And he goes in, and you immediately see the modern. Bonner Day NFL. It wasn't just standing there throwing like that. He was all over the field. More Randall Cunningham, I would say, than Michael Vick. And he won like six of the last seven games, something crazy. And then, you know, they didn't make the playoffs because they were having a bad season before he got in there. And then the next season, the team just drafted another high rank white guy and they shipped him off to Buffalo and he finished his career as a wide receiver. Wow. Yeah.

Sounds like the 60s Well this is what 60s It sounded like right through the 90s I feel Yeah yeah I guess So that's what like

This is like All of this shit that I can It was so fucked up Is I can remember all of that stuff And I think Because I looked at the football cards And I remember all the names

And then I also went back And I was fascinated Like what happened Right before I started watching football And then today's game, like, you know, you age out as a player. I also feel you can age out as a fan and, like, how certain teams, like, they sort of aged out during, like, free agency. Because their whole thing was the draft and their scouts. And then when the game became more free agency, they didn't adjust.

I would say as a fan, the fan version of that is I didn't get involved in fantasy football. Yeah. So now I don't know the player's name. I don't know what's going on. And then like I also feel like they kind of sold their souls, all professional sports for offense because they had reached maximum density with sports fans. And then offense gets the casual fan. So those tickets.

Yeah. I think that they are envious of the UFC to see them start so much later than them, but then go global. But there's something about soccer, football, whatever. whatever, and fighting, it just transcends all borders and all that, which I find, like, really fascinating, not fighting, because fighting, you know, it's like, I remember Joe Rogan telling this story saying, like, you know, if you're driving down the street and there's two people playing, you know, catch or whatever playing base, you know, you're not going to really

watch because, but if you're driving on the street and you see a fight, like, you got to watch it. And it was sort of like this really true. Yeah, easy way of explaining how their thing got as big as it dig. And I don't know what it is about soccer, but everybody seems to enjoy it. Because all you need is a ball, kick it, banana leaves. But you can say that about hoop. I guess you need a basketball.

But basketball is also very global. Yeah, okay. You know what I mean? Yeah. So your point about like how football is kind of changed and evolved and got sold and sold for offense is a conversation we have behind the scenes on this show a lot because we go watch 85 game. We watch a game from the early 2000s

and the game is so different. Oh, yeah. You don't even want to hear my conspiracy theory. Like, my conspiracy theory right now is, is the NFL's in a bad place because they only have one great quarterback. As far as, like, there's always been Brady Manning, you know, Elway, Marino, Montana.

So who's your one great quarterback? Mahomes. Mahomes is the guy that sells the tickets. I'm not saying there's not like great talent at that position. But nobody has put up sort of like, he doesn't have his, you know, Hatfield and McCoy guy. No.

So it's sort of their own, the only storyline they have right now is canny three-peat. So that's why, like, the ridiculous, that guy took his helmet off in the fucking end zone. The refs says put it back on. I mean, it's just like, you realize this is televised, right? Like, what are we doing here? So, you know. That's a penalty. It's supposed to be a penalty.

Take your helmet off. It's 15. Do you like New England so far? It's good. I've been getting used to it. I'm adjusting. I was telling Julian, before I, you know, got drafted up here, outside of going to an away game,

the furthest north or east I'd ever been was Atlanta. So, like, it's just, it's definitely, I guess you could say what some people would call a culture shock for sure. But, you know, the football is great. The people are great. So, yeah, it's been good so forth. What about the food? How are you liking the food here?

some of it's pretty good you have any clam chowder yet no i hadn't i hadn't had it i don't know if that's really my speed my favorite spot so far is definitely aria aria oh in the north end north end wait you like all the trees see people took that like but there's a lot of trees people took that and made it sound like i was an idiot i had never like i thought always thought that the stadium was in downtown boston yeah yeah i never knew that it was until i came up here my 30 visit that it was 45 minutes from the city. So I should have went into more detail when I talked about that. Well,

well, I understand that because people take a lot of things I say and make me sound like an idiot as well. So, yeah, so I understand. What were you thinking with that? I saw you just do something in your head. Well, I was just thinking, like, typically, like, when I just say things, I do sound like an idiot. Like, I don't, people don't have to, like, interpret anything.

Like, it just kind of happens that way. um i would say that uh like when you when you when you start cruising around here better one of the things you're going to say is the people are great just but not all of them okay because that's what i remember thinking when i first got up here i was like what is wrong with these people everybody's in a rush it's it's absolute chaos they drive like it's combative that's what it is it's the it's the old ladies with the road rage and like i'm just like yeah why are you flipping me all like with style though they're typically pretty pretty pretty jazzy driving like a nice vehicle i'll tell you one thing though about the people of new england they are cold they are kind of

they have a mean to them but i tell you if you're in need of help real help compared to other like i live in other parts of the country where there people are nice and they put on a front of being nice but if they saw you getting robbed right in front of them they would walk by people in new england they'd help you you know they're assholes but because it that's just what they it's so fucking cold here you got to be something it's almost like the head coach right like i tell people all the time i'm like braves like he's he's the biggest jerk in the room but he's your jerk yeah and you're gonna love him yeah i remember when he first came to the team it was like oh man this dude's got an edge and i knew just from some of the stories at ohio stayed back in the day but then

you know, you get to know Braves and you're like, that's my guy. And New Englanders are kind of the same way, man. It takes a bit of a buy-in. Like, you need to walk around on this ground for a minute or two before they're going to recognize the fact that you're actually here. But once they do, sky's the limit, man. And honestly, it's why we, it's why we stayed. I mean, it's, you know, my kids, you know, grew up here and we didn't want to disrupt that. But on the, on the flip side, you know, we met some amazing people. Amazing people. Now, Will, you know, Matt Light's, like, best friends with your coach. You have any questions about Braves that you have prepared to ask that you may need from Matt?

I don't know. Give me a second to think. I'm sure I'll think about that. Yeah, I'm going to think. Have you been to Red Sox game yet? I have. He actually took us, took all the rookies to a game. It was pretty cool.

I'm really not like a huge baseball guy. Like, I definitely cannot watch an MLB game on TV. Yeah. But, like, going to a stadium. Eating a dog? Not into eating hot dogs. No hot dogs? No, but some nachos or something like that.

Watch a game. I can go with that. Would you do batting practice if they asked you to? Yeah, I would do that for sure. I got to have your thoughts on the Brady statue. Any critiques? What are your thoughts on it? What would you change?

If you could change something about it. I know you've been thinking about this, and I know you want to air this out. And I want to get right to that bracelet. I just saw it for the first time last week. In person? Yeah. I was up elevated position looking down on it.

We want to hear your thoughts. I didn't get right up on it. But before we do that, can we go back just a quick little rewind? Did you get, like, was there a problem? Did you choke on a hot dog when you're, why don't you like hot dogs? I just don't. You've never liked a hot dog? Yeah.

I think my mom, like, whenever I was like six or seven told me what they were made of and I just, I don't really want to eat them. Okay. So you would eat, like, because I brought, I brought, you know, snacks. Yeah, I eat that. Like a good elk dog or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just not eating Oscar Meyer from.

Right. Stop and shot. Yeah, I feel better now because I don't like the judge. You know, and you're a great young man. But I was starting to get a little judgy. I was like, I'm not sure about this guy. You're going to eat the hot dogs Matt Light producers, though. I guarantee you that.

Yeah, they're good. But they are, they're all natural. They are? Natural casings, the whole nine. Made with love. But, okay, so on the statue, So you guys have obviously been up close and were you there for like the whole unveiling? Was not.

Okay, I wasn't either. We were out of town. So I just, I want to know this much, right? So the most iconic thing, like if I had to pick, I do like the arm up thing is kind of like, it is him. I wouldn't say it's like the first thing I would have thought of. What was the first thing you would have thought of? The double hand, although we used to call that the lighthouse because the guy, used to always make fun.

It was my only move I had. It was like, throw both hands up. But Tommy did that quite a bit, right? Both hands up, you know, yes, and then celebration. So the one arm, I mean, maybe it was just easier for the bronze guy to do the one arm versus the two arm. I don't know. The problem I had right out the gate is it looks lonely. Like, are we doing anything else around there?

It's like the base. He's kind of in that big concourse all by himself. Yeah. Right? I think he needs a little squirrel next to him. That's what I think. I was thinking like Logan and I and Copen since we're local, we could go meet with the bronze guy.

We could accompany him, kind of get around him, make him feel a little bit more at home. You guys should definitely get cast as well, you know? I don't think that. Or we could just go stand there and act like, do we get a check? Let's probably not. Probably not. Probably not.

I'll still be there. How's camping going? It's been good. First camp, first NFL camp. It's a lot different. It's a lot longer than college. Like college, you know, it's really only like two weeks of practice. And then, you know, you're in game week.

This was a little bit more long. But it's been great. It's a lot different in terms of like players and playbook. It's just a lot more, you know, information, which is pretty cool. I enjoy that type of stuff. And, but yeah, it's been great so far. Well, it's been the biggest adjustment from college to pro ball. Is it the size of the players that you're going against or is it the speed of the game?

I think it's just like. the depth of the guys you know like whenever you're in college and you know the ones on the edge you know they go take a blow the guy coming in it really didn't matter what school he probably just wasn't even close to you know the guy that was in there first and you know the guy that comes off the bench might do something that you have more problems with than the first guy so I'd say that's the biggest thing there's really not a drop off no matter who is in or out of the game. Yeah, that's the truth. Matt, you know, you played how many seasons again, 11? Do you have any advice for Will going into week one? Man, well, I can tell you, my week

one won't be like your week one because I got, I got injured in camp. And I remember Bill was trying to put me a right tackle. And then, like, literally, the week leading up to our season opener against Cincinnati on the road, he's like, hey, man, you feel good enough to practice? And I'm like, I mean, I think I can probably go now. And he's like, good. We're going to put you back at left. And I'm like, oh my gosh. And he's like, and just be ready to go.

And then I was late to my first meeting. So that'd be my number one bit of advice. Don't be late. Because we're actually playing in Cincinnati and my family. Like they literally, there was not a person in my hometown, I don't think. Like every church bus was rented, everything. They all come down and it's like, I thought he was going to play. And Bill literally walked up to me the day of not the night.

before when I missed the meeting, the day of the game, it was like, I mean, look, you know, I can, you know, I'm not, I'm not starting a guy that can't even make it to a effing meeting. And I'm like, okay, just, just keep yourself ready. Jesus, walked away. And that was it. So did you start? I did not start. What did you go in?

What did you in the game? Yeah. After I've been sitting cold as a duck on the sideline. And then I have time, he's like, all right, you're going. And I'm like, oh, I hate my life. So you're going to be way better off. But what made his day? You're in a way better situation, Will.

Because you don't want to be sitting there and then be ice cold and going in right after halftime. But what made Bill make that decision like, all right, like light, you go in now offensive tackle and pull whoever was the guy that was there right then? Was he getting beat? Did he give up three sacks? What was his reasoning? Like, all right, let's get light in there now.

I think he just wanted to see, you know, how he was going to handle the situation, be honest with you. I mean, he could have, you know how Bill is? Like, once you make a mistake. He plays games with you to make sure you don't make that mistake again. That's a fact. And he was sending a clear message. I will say that I was only late to two meetings in my life.

Both of them were the night before games. And fast forward a few weeks, about midway through the season, my rookie year. I missed another team meeting the night before the game. But this time I was with the only other two left tackles, or the only other tackles on the team. So he couldn't, he was just like kind of forced to let us play. I get into basketball, really, fully, like, 1979. Lakers get magic, 1980, win the championship.

So we're a trip in 81, lucky shot by the Rockets, win the championship in 82. 83, lose the championship because a few of our players was hurt, lost to the sixers. so now we're about to play the Celtics my brother got this sick-ass look on his face I'm like why you look like that older brother nine years got a lot of wisdom he said man

we can't beat them I was like what are you out your rabbit-ass mind we got Magic Johnson and Kareem we're gonna beat the shit out these puns He said, man, I don't have sat through a lot of these. I said, uh-oh.

He just, he remember, he remember, Lake is always losing to the Celtics. And so we get in this game and they fucking lose. They lost. They lost that shit. I was just, this was the worst finals that I ever felt was this loss right here 84 but then you get you jump in but next year they won next year they won but it ain't next year right here yeah this is the first time we play him in my kind of uh new in my lifetime so to speak and it's the same old fucking song you know it's like jerry west and elgin baler all over again yeah but i mean

you guys won a couple years before not against the celtics it was it was it was psychological. That is psychological warfare. Yeah, it was. It was it was the worst. And it's seven games because you know, you're right there. They had one game better than that. So when did older brother come in and tell you that before the series? Once they knew it was the

Lakers versus the Celtics. He said right away. He just had that look on his face. And he knew and that ruined, were you thinking about that the whole time? I was thinking he didn't know what he was talking about. I thought he was going to beat him. And then old brother was right. It was just like... Fuck.

Yeah, he was right. Olympics held in Los Angeles. You remember that? Yeah, I remember that. Did you go to any of the events? Nothing. I was broke. Yeah.

I didn't go to shit. I wouldn't try to see it on TV. I didn't really care. And, you know, I was in the hip-hop. Like, hip-hop was more important than anything. So I was in Compton all the time. That's your brother right here? That's my brother.

C.J. Is that him? It's him back there, yeah. It's O.G. CJ, man, he's got... Yeah. He's got the... He knows.

He said a couple things that we've already said. Yeah. Michael Jordan gets drafted third overall. Mario Lemieux, number one in hockey. What a year for sports? 1984, let's go. This is a fucking year. Yeah, this is an incredible year.

For L.A. sports, for sure. Now, what do you remember a Jordan when you were a kid? Amazing. Like, when you were here... I remember when he hit that shot. You know, he hit the shot. North Carolina? North Carolina because...

We actually watching James Worthy that game. Yeah. James Worthy was actually the man, not Jordan. Freshman. Worthy was a senior and Jordan was a freshman. So we like, you know, worthy is the man. And it's a trip because after the game, we get worthy. And Lakers get worthy.

And, you know, Jordan, he just goes on this fucking tear. like it doesn't seem like after he won the championship his first year he was just kind of dominant but they didn't win the championship but when he when he got out and was like doing the Olympic trials he was just killing shit like you know him being drafted third was was ridiculous to me yeah he was like he was killing shit I know they was all after the same seven footers by the end and, um, who went first? You only, uh, Elijah one. Elijah.

Yeah. I understand that. Uh, I understood Sam Perkins, too. You know, he big coming off of, uh, a NCAA championship run. You ever get to meet my, MJ? Yeah, like, like early in, early in the, in the world when you guys were jumping in hip hop and shit, like he's kind of like the hip hop of fucking basketball. Yeah.

If you think about it. I met him, you know, probably like 97. Yeah. At a Nike, it was a Nike town event on Wilshire, and he was in there. And I said, what's up, MJ? He said, what's up? He said, you know, I said, I told people Friday was my favorite movie, and that shit got me in trouble. How I get you in trouble?

You know all the weed y'all smoking in that damn movie. I was like, this shit funny. He's a shit funny. I remember he shook my hand. This shit felt like baby foot or something. It was soft as fuck. Like, you ain't never did an inch of work in your goddamn life. My daddy hands feel like cheese grater.

Your fucking hands feel like a baby white. Do you say anything to him? No, I just, just clocked it. You know, you're 6'6, so this shit was big. And it just felt like a pillow grabbed my hand. I said, damn, he did nothing with bouncing basketball your whole fucking life. Damn. By MJ?

I thought to myself. I don't know why. But I just thought that. MJ, he got soft hands. He got some soft-ass hands. He got some soft-ass head. I can shoot that motherfucker so good. Got them soft paws.

Dang, it probably like a. Yeah, sweet. Who is the first cool athlete you met when you were coming up? Muhammad Ali. Yeah, and we was, uh... What years at? Man, this had to be 80, 87. Wow.

We, uh, it's a trip. We're coming out of this place called McCola, where we used to get our records pressed out because we was independence and, uh, roofless. We would go right. you know, Hollywood. It was Santa Monica. Santa Monica and Vine.

Holly around there. And we've been there. We were just walking out of there, shit. And we saw fucking Muhammad Ali crossing the street by itself. What's up, man? It's like, how y'all doing? You know, John and I was like, we make records and shit. And he said, oh, man, you're doing positive.

of things, man, you know, boom, boom, boom. He had to keep it moving. Oh, gee. I was like, damn, this is the chant. Like, this is the greatest of all time right here. Yeah, he's bigger than I thought, too. He was a big dude, like.

By himself? By himself. I see, does he have aura? Does he have aura? He had an aura. Yep, he had an aura to him. Charming, probably, too. Huh?

Probably charming as fuck. Yeah, you know, it was all love. It was like seeing one of your uncles and shit, you know what I mean? it was just all it was he was as great as you would think he would be to to a stranger you know hell yeah to a couple of strangers because we was all you know what I mean we was groupie to fuck out you know he was this nigga this the champ yeah lucky we let him leave and shit he's like man asking him all kind of questions and shit you guys are young too

yeah we you know you 16 17 18 and he's the go he the man that was that had to be yeah can you explain to me the relationship between hip hop and sports oh man hip hop like sports without music is just a game that's how i can explain it the music makes it all magical you know even seeing your highlights with the music it feels like it's

you know kind of in concert with each other you know it's a movie yeah it's it's the soundtrack of the you know other than you guys

breathing and grunting and running and you know and all the sounds of the game but to add that music to but it turns into poetry emotion. So I think it's inspirational, too. It is, you know. Because that's where guys pull for motivation.

Get you going. Everyone's got a pregame list. Yeah. You know what I mean? Everyone's got something that helps them focus. And somebody playing like some pregame soft shit, you're looking at them crazy. You're like, man, that's what you get hyped up on? You know what I mean?

Sharday. I just like Bob Marley. You know what I'm saying? So you want to hear that rough shit. shit you're ready to go i would so this is how i used to do it my pregame mix it used to be real hard real high energy yeah but as i got older i got into movie music like instrumentals yeah so i could focus and visualize what i was going to do on the field so i'd listen to some fucking hans zimmer fucking inception fucking soundtrack and shit and like put myself

like I was, like, in it. Feel you. You know what I mean? That's smart because that is situational music. Because sometimes I get too involved in the lyric. Yep. So then I'm thinking about the lyric, but I want to make my own lyric. And you can also, like, burn out too quick.

You get too hyped. You get too hyped. And, you know, you dead by the third quarter. It's not a sprint. You're ready to stop playing football. You know, it was like, you don't have your fill of the day. 1,000%. So you want to make sure you're not too,

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I had a couple touchdowns at game. I was showing off my touchdown celebrations. And then the lady interviewing me, she's like, who do you see being your quarterback in the NFL? And obviously right on the spot, I go, Tom. Brady would be the best quarterback to have in the NFL and especially a great fit for me. And that was just the answer, you know, and then I did my touchdown dances and all that. And then what happens? I get drafted to the Patriots and Tom Brady becomes my quarterback in the NFL.

It was like I manifested it when I was in college. I manifested a lot of things. And if you ask Tom, Tom's probably really big into manifesting it as well. He manifested all his Super Bowls because right after he won a Super Bowl, he would already have a clock. counting down to the next Super Bowl. So he was manifesting like crazy. You just learned so much knowledge from him. And he's done so many things right to be able to get to, uh, you know, nature of where

he is now. It wasn't like he just had the athletic ability. He showed up. He did everything right. And he put the time in that you can never argue against him. Can't. You can't. We'll give you an option.

So let's get, let's get back to what was I talking about again? I don't know. I just got this. Yeah, I got a little off. First time you met him. Oh, the first time I met him. It was in the training room. I was getting my ankles taped. And he walked in. So I was there already for the rookie camps, the rookie practices. And he just walks up to me. He goes, hey, Rob, I'm Tom Brady. And I was like, oh, wow, this guy already knows my name. I mean, that's also what makes him so great as well is that he already knows all the rookies names, all the guys that were drafted, what rounds they were drafted in, what type of player they already were. Because he wants to know, you know, you know. their athletic ability, you know, what type of guy they are so he can understand them so he can be on the same page as the best out of them. So he can get the best out of them as well, like you said. And he could have that connections to help win games. So he can be on the same, you know, wavelength as them. So he already knew my name, came up to me. And I just thought it was the coolest thing, man. I just said, hey, man, nice to meet you. It was just super quick. When he left, what did you

think in your head? Tom Brady knew my name. And that was the greatest honor to shake his hand while getting my ankles taped. And then he goes, wins four Super Bowls with him. That's crazy. I had a similar story. Yeah, what was it like when you met him? What was that story?

I was going from, like you said, we were already in there. When you're a rookie, you get in there before, back in our day, you'd get in there before the vets reported. And so you'd be there for like three weeks. Did rookie camp

and learning installations and everything. And so I had a big book. We all had these books. It was like a five-inch, remember those old old binders before we had iPads we used to have big old binders I didn't like carrying them around I left mine in my locker

when I went home even though you were supposed to bring it home to study I was like I ain't carrying that binder I used to carry it I did I do I was trying to make a goddamn team you had to so I'm over here getting five minutes before the special teams meeting

it's true and I'm running through and the vets came in and I saw the vets coming because I saw well in the in the cafeteria didn't say a word to me I was but I wanted big-timed you big-time me a little bit that's okay he had a leather jacket on him now he looks cool he looks cool and I like when you guys big-time each other it's entertainment for me all right back the time though and so I knew they were in but I was going to my meeting and he walks through the door you know the entrance of the locker

room from the hall he walks in there and he goes I had like look at him I dropped my book I'm like oh shit this dude's taller than I thought and he goes and he goes goes, hey, I'm Tom. I go, Jules. He goes, I know. We have the same agent. Dragon's my agent too or something, something like that. And I was like, nice to meet you. And you could, I felt the same way you felt like, damn, he knew my name. That's fucking crazy. But he knew that, he knew everyone's name. And he made everyone feel special. And that, that was part of his leadership skill. You know, like what made him such an unbelievable leader. From the meal ladies to, you know, the people in the equipment

room, the training staff, like, it didn't matter what was going on, how the day went. He was always a pretty cool dude to everyone, and everyone was always watching him. You know what I mean? And that's, when you're the quarterback of the team, everyone, no matter what is

going on in your life, is watching that person and to see how they react to everything, the success, the failure, your eyes go to that guy. You know, and he was the perfect guy for us, especially when we're young knuckleheads, to look at like, all right, this is how you have to do it. I tell the story because, you know, everything that's going on, Randy Moss,

our thoughts and prayers are with him. But I always tell the story that he used to call you fucking coach. The day you came in and we had to, we had to announce our names in front of the whole team. Do you remember that? Yeah. Oh, I remember. Can you tell me, explain that? So I get drafted by the Patriots. It's 2009. Randy's coming off like this unbelievable time. Yeah. He's been crushing it. And, uh, you know, it's, it's a little bit before the veterans start coming around the building. But when, when we have OTAs, we have the mini camps and things like that, you know, Randy's in the locker room. And I remember it was, it came in waves. And I'm sure you felt the same way. It's like, oh my God, that's Tom Brady. And it's like, oh my God, that's Randy Moss.

Like you're playing with these guys now, but slowly, but surely it starts to feel more normal. You know, you start to realize, ah, these are just my buddies. We're playing football. It's all the same as it was in college or high school. But there was this weird thing. He gave me this nickname. And it happened immediately. I have no idea why, because we barely spoke to each other outside of passing by each other in the hallway or outside the meeting rooms or on the football field.

You know, we're on our way to the football field. Yeah. He would be like, hey, what's up, coach? He called me coach. So Randy would call me Everywhere, you know, we'd be waiting And he's like, oh, yeah, coach, I know you're going to get on this pot roast Because you look like pot roast, coach, and you big fat fucker.

I bet you, oh, you're going to have two pieces of pot roast? Yeah, I bet you bet you. You know what, half three, half three. You know, you know, Randy with the West Virginia's slag. And so I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm like, maybe, like, maybe it's like, I'm in, man. Like, he gave me a nickname. Like, I'm telling people from back home like, Randy Moss gave me a nickname. He really likes me.

That's what I'm telling you. It was so cool that he had a fucking nickname. He was so funny, he had a nickname. Yeah, like immediately. I was like, this is the best. And then we, it's standard. It's customary Bill Belichick at one point or another in the offseason. He has all the rookies, get in front of the room,

and say their name, who they are, whatever it was. And so I get up there. And I can't remember if it was in the meeting or immediately after, but Randy Moss pulls me aside. He goes, motherfucker, you a plier? He goes, you've been a player this whole time? I think he was in front of the whole team. You gray-haired, bitch, I thought you was a coach.

He was like, you're a player? Oh, hell no, Bill. Do we waste a draft pick on this motherfucker? Are you kidding me? This gray, he was going to go out there and break a hip? God damn, Bill. And I'm just like, oh, my God. That was not a nickname.

It was not a nickname. He thought it was a fucking coach. He thought he was a coach. How unbelievably embarrassing. I mean, I told everybody. I was like, yeah, Randy really likes me. It's going pretty well, gang. Yeah, yeah.

Now, how does Dante Scarnacchio have you and Matt Light in a meeting? And how to just can you explain the dynamic in a quiet Logan Mankins? Yeah. I want to hear how it was from your rookie perspective. So I walk into the room and Matt. Matt Light is a pro bowl offensive tackle. I mean, just, he was like Batman. Like, you know, you'd be like, gosh, you know, how are we going to?

They got to change this light bulb. And all of a sudden, he'd take something off the bat belt. They'd be like, boop, bo, bo, bo, bo. And he'd, like, unscrew the light bulb. And he'd be like, you know, it would be funny. You know, it would be funny if we replace it with a firecracker this way when they walk in and smoke to take it. You know, he always had like a prank you want to play.

I'm just like, Matt, what the fuck? But he always had all these toys and these gadgets and these things. And he always had ideas. a big idea guy. Big idea guy. Love being around people like that. So Matt's in the room. You have Logan Mankins, who's this Central Valley, California, shit kicker farmer,

who is just roughing dudes up on the regular. Literally could grab, like, a 300-pound defensive tackle up and him, stick him in a trash can't, kick it over down a hill. Like, it's nothing to him. He had the strongest goddamn hands. Huge. I've ever shaken in my entire life. He was...

And they wrapped around your wrist. Dude, yeah. You shake his hand. You're getting an elbow massage. It is ridiculous. So Logan's there. He's a pro bowler Hall of Fame. He better be in the Hall of Fame one day. He's incredible. Steve Neal. Steve Neal, wrestler. They found him. He was like a freestyle world champion wrestler. And then I think it was Philly's practice. Philly signed him first. He was on practice squad, got cut, signed by the Patriots, or whatever. But he ends up working his way to starting offensive. lineman in the league, played 10 years, 11 years, whatever it was, won three Super Bowls, like incredible human being, like the nicest guy you ever met. Loved four locals. I loved them.

Dude, and did you ever go on a taco run with the four locos with Steve? The little place in Pawtucket? Yeah. Dude, I can't, dude, it was, that place actually served great tacos. Really good tacos. It was like a fucking mobile home. Um, yeah, it was. Um, so Steve was there in that room.

Um, oh, Dan Copen. Cope. Cope's the man. Yeah, Copen, never without a dip in his lip and was just so snarky, and he had this nasly voice, he'd be like, fucking Ornberger class clown over here. We'll see if he makes it kind of guy. But I love Dan. I learned a lot from Dan.

Like, Dan was the type of guy who would, like, bully, bullia, bullya, and then he would teach you, like, the lesson you needed. It would, like, unlock something in your brain. You'd be like, holy shit, that's how you see this, you know, whatever it is. line call, an adjustment on a play. He was just a brilliant dude. And then I'm trying to think if I remember Donald? Oh, Donald.

Were you around with Donald? Yeah. Well, we crossed. Thomas for like only an off season. Because they put a lot, Matt put a real duck in his fucking locker after practice. Oh, didn't he do this for like a year? Yes. And he was, he had ducks show up in different parts of his life for a year.

Yes. That. And then another weird story was. Nobody knew. had a pet duck. Nobody knew where the ducks were coming from, by the way. No. Like, he would find him in his helmet. He would like be put in his helmet. He was like, another duck. Like, it was a problem for Donald. It was a problem. In honor of this awesome college matchup, Rob and I are going to take a little trip down memory lane and relive our glory college days. Oh, back to school, back to school to proof to

my mama, I ain't no fool. Is that Billy Madison? Something like that. Back to school. Because I'm not a fool. I'm no fool. Let's go down memory lane of our college life. Why'd you choose Arizona?

You know, that's a great question. And everyone asked me that because I'm from Buffalo, New York. I actually played my senior year, actually, in Pittsburgh at Woodland Hills. But I'm technically am. I claim myself in Buffalo. Obviously, I grew up there for 17 years. So my dad's in the business world of selling fitness equipment commercially in retail. And he goes on those conventions, you know, those business trips.

And he met a friend there that did the same exact thing that he does in Arizona. And that guy was Arizona alumni, you know, part of the Desert Storm Defense and all that. And when we were growing up, he became my dad's good friend. And every time they went on these, you know, business trips, they always met up. I was growing up. We were just kids, so he was in my dad's here. Hey, when your kids, biggest wildcat alum, I love the wild cat. Hey, when your kids grow up, they got to take a trip to the University of Arizona.

And this guy became really good friends with my dad. So you got to bring them to the University of Arizona. So then my older brothers, they were going to recruit it. They weren't at a high level. So whatever you can do, you got to call up a friend. Hey, can you, you know, have this coach look at my son. So I actually went on the trip. So I just tagged along when I was a sophomore in high school just to see what it was like.

And I got on the camp. Two gronks on a busy trip. Yeah. And I got to the campus. I was like, God damn, man. What kind of school is this? I mean, they got pools. I got palm trees.

I mean, it's sunny every single day. It's 90 degrees. And that's when I first fell in love with the University of Arizona. So shout out to Donnie Salem. He's still doing the same thing. He's still in the fitness world selling fitness equipment, retail, and commercially. Yeah, he's actually a sponsor. He sponsors the Denver Broncos because he's based out of Denver now.

So without Donnie, I would have never been at the University of Arizona. Bricking Donnie. I went to Ken State. Yeah, yeah. Why did you pick Ken State, Jules? Like, Kent State, like you're from the Bay Area. Kent State's in Ohio. I mean, I think they do Halloween really well in Ohio, but I don't think you were into things like that when you were a kid.

No. So why did you pick Ken State? I picked Ken State. My goal in high school is I just wanted to play Division 1 quarterback. D1. Didn't matter where. I just wanted to go D1. I really wanted to go to play in the Pack 10.

I wanted to go to Berkeley because that's where I was from that area. And Aaron Rogers went to Butte and I went to Juko and he went to Berkeley after. So I kind of like wanted to go to Berkeley. Played one year at Juko, lit it up. And then all these schools started to ask him, you know, sending me letters. And Kent sent me out and offered me a scholarship after my first year. And a lot of these schools wanted me to change positions. Kent's like, we'll let you compete for our quarterback right now.

I took a trip out there. And I had the opposite thing of what you had of like, oh, palm trees. I was like, man, it's freezing out here. Like, there's no leaves. I was coming from California where it's never really fall out here. You know what I mean? And it was like bear.

It was cold. I went to a spring practice. And I was like, fuck it, man. If I go here, I could play. I could play right away. I watched their practices. And I was like, I'm going here. Fuck it.

It's the best thing to happen. I'm going to play in the cold. Can't stay going flash. She said, baby, let's go. Shout out Casey Wolfe. Did you have any other offers? Not after that one, not yet. No, just Ken State. Just Ken State.

But you're going there no matter what. Ken State. Well, I still had another year of Juko. I had another year of Juko. Oh, you could have played Juko. I had one more year of Juko. Yeah, but you were paying for Juko, right? Yeah, but it's like $500 you didn't have.

So what? It's $500 you didn't have. You would have to take out a loan or a free ride. Yeah. I get $500 a month from the school. My pops took care of that one. That's a good pops right there. Shout out the pop.

The pop. Did you have any other offers? Yeah, I had a couple other ones. My top four was Ohio State, Clemson, Syracuse, because it was right down the street about three hours away from Buffalo and Arizona. So those were my top four schools. And I had actually had the wildest recruiting visit to the University of Clemson. I had one of the best times. I mean, shout out to my host. I don't even know their names out there, but they're probably telling the story to this day still of those guys that were on the team that hosts me at the University of Clemson. What's this story? I mean, I remember I was on a bar, I was dancing, and then, like, I don't know, there's cheerleaders there, and I was just, just going ham, like, I usually go ham. Like, that's all I wanted to do, like hammered off, like, Apple Juice, I'm talking. Yeah.

Apple Juice hammered, and it was great time. I had a voicemail after I picked the University of Arizona, like, some girl that night, I guess, I gave my number to, like, literally left a voicemail on my phone after I picked the Wildcats. I was like, basically just told me how bad I messed up with my decision. Yeah. I'm not going to exactly say what the voicemail was, but I was like, this is incredible. I thought I was so cool.

Yeah. Ohio State? Ohio State was awesome. Right there, I was hung over off apple juice there too. And that picture that went viral when I was in high school and took a visit there. I was definitely, you know, a little apple juice out. Look a little rob.

And I was at the game. Let me tell you, Ohio State, Clemson, you can't beat their facilities, you can't beat their organization. You can't beat the crowd. you can't beat their stadiums, but it just wasn't my fit. And if you know me personally, I'm not a guy that can get intrigued by that type of stuff. I'm a guy that sticks to my roots. The University of Arizona was where I belong.

You know, I felt at home there. I felt like I could go there and play right away. And also at the same time, I knew if you did well enough, it was Division I, you're going to go to the NFL. Like, there's guys going to the NFL at Arizona. So I was like, I can get to the NFL still. So it wasn't like, I wanted to be part of a team that turned it around. I like Coach Dupes. Ohio State, though, I mean, I was blown away about everything.

But at the same time, I was like, I could have all this if I make it to the NFL. And you did? Yeah, and I did. Did you almost get kicked out of Arizona at all? I never really have. I mean, we got in a couple big fights. That was, I would probably say that was the closest to getting kicked, you know, off the team. Yeah.

But there was a big, huge fight. There was like 10 guys involved. Like, I got brought in like three days later by the police officer that was investigating it. and he was actually on our side and later I didn't even like open my mouth. I didn't tell tell anyone I was like I don't even know what fight you're talking about and he's like no I'm here

for you I'm on your guys aside but still I'm like I don't know man I was just walking by and I don't really remember much grunk no rat no rat no rat stick to the roots Arizona was where it was at other schools were great beautiful nothing bad to say

just I belong you know at the University of Arizona And I belonged to Kent State. You did belong at Ken State. And I loved Kent State. It opened up my perspective to the country. You know, I mean, it was a great, the people of the Midwest and Ohio, Northeast Ohio are such awesome people. They love football out there.

I was just always disappointed because I went to Ken State and everyone would leave our game to go watch the Ohio State game. Like we had no fans. If Ohio State had a game during the same time, people at our school, at every school in Ohio. love Ohio State. I didn't realize how big it was because, you know, I grew up in the Bay Area where, you know, we had Colin Stanford, but it was really a pro-sport area. We had Niners, Giants, Warriors, sharks early in my life, you know, came in there.

And Callin Stanford were big, but it wasn't huge. And I didn't realize how big college football was until I went to Ohio. And I saw how big Ohio State and that fan group was. It was freaking crazy to me. Here's a question. And I've always wondered this, because Ohio State's so big. They get 100, like, 10,000 plus people a game. And you're, you know, you went to school in Ohio at Ken State.

Is Ohio State the football program out of all football programs at any level in the state of Ohio? Does it dominate the Cincinnati Bengals? Without a doubt. Does it dominate the Cleveland Browns? Yes. If you're in Ohio, you grow up in Ohio, it's all about the Buckeyes or is it about the Browns or the Bengals more? Buckeyes, number one. guarantee you could go anywhere in the in the state like you go down to like cincinnati and you can

see this in like gas stations or you go to like cracker barrels that are all all over they'll always have ohio state shit they're selling ohio state mugs this that you go to like the west virginia part of ohio where it touches down there you see nothing but ohio state you go up to dayton which is a different area like near indiana and stuff they love ohio they love Ohio State everywhere in Ohio. I couldn't, I didn't understand it. It's huge. Did you ever hosted any recruiting trips with any other NFL guys? No, not really. So when I was at the University of Arizona, they didn't allow me to host anyone. Why? Yeah, I hosted one player and we got chased by a helicopter. No, you didn't. I swear. What do you mean you got chased by a

fucking helicopter? We got chased by a helicopter. I hid under a car. Yeah, and this recruit was running around with me. There's a top juco recruit. I thought I thought I definitely sold him. I thought he's definitely coming to the University of Arizona. He didn't. No, he ended up going to Arizona State. Never seen him again until he goes Arizona State. I was like, I thought he was definitely going to choose the University of Arizona. Like I was like, and then, and then I'm on the Patriots, like 2016 or something. I don't know what year exactly. We signed some guy in the practice squad midseason, a lineman. He comes up to me. He's like, yo, Grant, remember me and like, you know, back of my mind.

I'm like, I do, but I don't. Because I never seen him again. He left after that night. He's gone and chose Arizona State. Big time recruit. He's like, yeah, you hosted me at the University of Arizona. And then everything just dark clicking. And I was like, oh my gosh.

I was like, how you doing? How you doing? He's like, I'll remember that night for rest of my life. But I can't believe he went to go be a devil. Yeah. I mean, he can't be, he can't have foot in Tucson anymore. Because the goddamn helicopter will chase him. He had to go to Arizona State.

The message of the story. We should write a movie off that. Hangover. It's like a hangover shit. It was basically we were at a party and got broken up. And there was always a helicopter that broke it up. And everyone started running. And just the premises of the of the story is the helicopter followed us.

So then I was like, oh, fuck it. Yeah. I mean, this guy's a line. I was like, oh, screw this. Yeah. But we got away. We got away. Scott free.

They helped my skills, help my football skills on the field. So you're, If you can get away from a helicopter, you can get away from a defender. I've got one bone to pick, though. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. I want to hear this one. Now, can you at least confess that Bill is way softer on fucking defensive guys than offensive guys?

And you want to know how I know because he would come up and ask us questions. Like on Wednesdays, he'd always test us, right? He'd always test us both offense and defense in front of each other. He'd look over at me. Edelman, what coverage is this and this, this? he looked over at V, A, V, what color is the team we're playing? No, that's not true. I don't think.

But see, we thought, because you got to understand, Bill used to come into our meetings. When he leaves squad and all that, he would come in there with us and grill us. Yeah. So our question answering, he might not give it to us all in a team meeting, but he'll leave that meeting. When we break up an individual, he'll come in there and grill us with questions. Hey, Big V, we're playing Derek Henry this week. Is this a run or pass team? He's just saying shit like, I'm not even joking, bro.

I'm sitting there. They're asking us scheme this, this, this. They're like, hey, is this team coach like to throw it or run it? I'll tell you what. The first, I'll tell you a funny story with Bill and me, right? So my rookie year, we, I think we in many camps or something like that. And he's asking questions. And, I mean, he's going around and he's asking, like, layup questions, right?

So he gets to me, he said, Vince, boy, it's Memorial Day. So I'm like, man, I don't know if there's a trick question or not. So I was like, barbecue. He said, no, you aho, what is it? I'm like, that's what we do, barbecue. Man, when I tell you, Bill couldn't do nothing but laugh. He could do it because I'm like, what are you asking? Like, it's a trick question.

What are you asking me? So he went on to tell everybody about Memorial Day and I'm like, hey, man. I'm like, be a coach. I thought you was asking me what we do on Memorial. He said, no, I know, you asshole. I'm talking about that, that. I'm like, my bad. That was my first question from Bill.

And that's how I answered it. The first question. And he had a little jolly smile. Oh, yeah. The smirk. An offensive guy. Oh, asshole. You guys got to get out of him.

No, no. when he used to ask a grunt question we would laugh if grunk knew it or didn't know we would laugh and he would laugh so it's like he would I but I truly believe with Bill

and when it came to me I can truly think that I think Bill was testing me early on in my career on my knowledge of the game I really was and I appreciate him so much for doing that

because he He taught me so much about football in the game itself, you know, a lot of questions that he would, you got to understand, when I was a rookie, our defensive line, we was in charge of knowing quarterback pivots, the route tree, blocking schemes, cadence, motions. We had to know all of that. Which gives you an advantage because if you know the concepts, you know that the quarterback's got to get the fallout. Like, yes, we...

Which a lot of, it's crazy to me that teams don't do that. That's, but Bill stopped. I think we were the last class that came in that he did that to. But I think, looking back now, I think he was just basically trying to see how smart in my, my football IQ was. Because in Bill, my, Bill is thinking three, four steps ahead. Yeah. He's like, let me see, I'm a test and see what he knows. And I proved to him that I know the game of football, you know, and I think that I think that,

allow us to do a lot defensively scheme-wise with me knowing what's going on not only from a defense standpoint but you know the back end from the defense and offensively what they're trying to create and build through formations and this and that so it was like a not only we had you know the secondary if it was Rodney or if it was deaf with the calls you know we had our linebackers with the calls now he have trust that okay I know Vince would be able to get calls out, get us lined up up front. And it allowed us to play so much faster as a defense. And, you know, I credit all of that to build because how he taught me the game.

I thought I knew the game, but, you know, sitting down having a conversation with him, you know right away, like, I don't know much about what I think I do. So, you know, I always thank God because he meant a lot to me, not only in my personal life and the friendship we have and we built over the years, but as a coach, what he was allowed to coach and teach me, that's why I became the player I became.

And that's why I moved from nose tackle to a defensive tackle to an end and then now I can flop to go to this side. So I didn't do, I didn't play a nose tradition like any other two gap nose because Bill had the luxury of moving me in different places. positions, and I can produce it those positions. So it just allowed us as a team in defense to manipulate a lot of play calling from my offense and start seeing the point, you know, because they never knew what I was going

to be, you know? And a lot of it is common sense, though, which is, all right, take best defensive alignment, put him on worse offense alignment, may not be in traditional spot, but that's weakness. But then you win, you know what I mean? Like, well, you, but like, that's, it's crazy. Like, I watch a lot of these defenses and I'm, and I'm like, are we, we, we, I guess we're just that much smarter because I was out, I'm sitting here and, and I was talking to Antonio Gates. We did a show together. And he doesn't realize that I was in seventh grade when he was talking about the game that he was playing.

I'm like, I wasn't in this game. But the whole time he keeps on talking to me, how the fuck we lose these patrons. And it hits to me, like, it's because we were, like, what you're talking about. We were the smartest football team by far. Yeah, we were. We always was. You know what I mean? Like, it wasn't just know your position.

You knew the rhyming reason why you were doing what you were doing. Yeah. It's a lot of times I lined up and I knew we had teams where, first player of the game, I'm lined up somewhere opposite and then knows because office line was said. You know, I got a lot of old crap. Didn't realize I was going to be over there. So now I know, okay, now I'm playing with your scheme because everything you prepare for, it's not it.

So now you have to go back to the drawing board and you have to figure out, okay, where Vince is going to be, what they're going to be playing. We thought it was going to be this. But now, but, yeah, I remember, like, a lot of office alignment, like, oh, crap, you over here?

What are you doing over here? Yeah. The screw your play up. Simple as that. Now, a guy you played with on those defenses is now the head coach of the New England Patriots, Mike Vrable.

Love it. What are your thoughts on that? I love it. You know, and the thing is I had the luxury to be a player with Mike and in Houston he was a linebacker's coach so coach for Mike I mean play for Mike and I always knew since the time our playing days that he was going to be a head coach I always knew that

I mean he was a coach like no doubt in my mind that was going to happen and I love that move because he's going to get the best out of everybody and he's very smart when it comes to the game of football he knows exactly what he's doing he know how he know how he wants to deliver messages he's outspoken if he believe in something he believe in it

if he don't like something he'll tell you I mean he'll speak his mind but at the same time the respect that he receives is because what he pour out so I think we're in good hands with Mike I really do believe we're going to do we're going to do some wonders this year I mean we're going to sell a different football team

this year. And I'm expecting for us to shock a lot of people, you know, just because of I know Mike as a person and a player and the coach. I've already known him. I know it. Yeah. And they spend money. Yeah. They're going to spend, guess what? He ain't for the highest hand. If he wants somebody, he's going to let him know, we need this player. Yeah. I don't want him. We need them. Yeah. He'll tell him, you know, and that's what I love about him. He's a player's coach. But at the same time, he's discipline. He's going to have a smart football. You're not going to make a lot of dumb mistakes. And they're going to play hard for him.

They're going to play hard for him. So I'm excited about it. I'm happy that, you know, we did get Mike, you know, if that was the choice. I love that we went and grabbed him because I think he'll do wonders for us. Yeah. You think these teams are going to look more like our old teams? Yeah. In some capacity, yeah.

I think one of the main things we're going to get is the competitiveness and aggressive play. I think in a smart team, you know. So you want to see. we're going to look we're going to look apart we're going to look like we know what we're doing you know the past four or five years we didn't look like that we would we you know the past four or five years you know what we look like we looked like teens we used to talk about yeah like how you how you do that that's how we used to look i don't think we'll look like that special teams yeah we're going to be coached very very well and hard and we're going to play hard what's the

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Really nothing. Really nothing. That's why when I played with him, he's the same guy as a coach thing when I played with him. You got to understand. I've seen Vrae, him and Tom Brady, go at it on the sideline or practicing. You know, I've seen Braves walking out a quarterback's meeting with Tom. I've seen Rave and Tom walking down a hallway with a playbook talking about this.

I've seen Vrae and Tom talking about scheme. I saw and I heard Vrae tell Tom that would never work against this guy. I've seen it. Like sort of respect. Tom gave him for input in what he was trying to do. That tells you everything. What was the worst thing you ever heard Coach Frable say to Tom? I mean, it got F you, F you, no F you.

Nothing was off limits. Yeah, F bombs was always a part of it. He didn't care who you will. Bill get F bombs. Brave, man, look here, when I tell you when Mike believe in something, he's going to stand firm in it. And he's going to tell you why. That's what I love about it.

Was he a smart shit talker? Yeah, he was, yeah. So he, like, pulled something out of the cuddies. I've been on the field with a call come in and raise, he'll shake a head. This is not going to work. I've been in the huddle with him. Or when we in the meeting room, that's not going to work. And he'll tell you why.

He was so smart as a player. It was just, you would never believe that he was a lineback. The way he saw the game, he saw it as a hit. head coach scenario situation he's seen it as a head coach as a player now this just popped it in my head do you think bill liked fable more than you because he let him play offense and gave him a touchdown pass that's one thing i regret with bill like come on bill like and the crazy thing is pullback but the thing is he did see more he let seymour line up in the back field so i'm like man listen no no shade towards anybody but i was the best i was the best athlete on the defense hands down

tell them straight up i returned kicks in high school i kicked the ball in high school i did i played every position you could possibly name on on the field one one position i would never play it's in it but i tried it and i hated it yeah but i played every position like i played basketball i dunk basketball i did all of that i was the greatest pound for pound athletes on the pages i mean i agree calling's pretty tight but listen here a guy my size to do what i did come we're not for to play this i play lineback i dropped dropped in cover like i could do all of that and you could dance i could dance like a ballerina i could dance my footwork was good that's what people don't realize you're 345 pounds and you could you could move like a ballerina so for me not to be on the

offensive side of the ball when i see a lot of guys not just from us but other teams you know putting their guys in the background that's you know have some athleticism to them you know that was kind of bombed out for me Now, would that be a perfect moment to use if Bill, you saw Bill, mullah foe? Oh, I hit him with that. You hit him with it. Yeah, you motho. D.T.

You remember when it was Matt Kassel and Tom going back and forth? I wasn't around for that. Oh, my gosh. What happened? They was going back and forth pranking each other. So I think Matt filled Tom Carp for all of these little bubbles. The peanuts. The peanuts.

The peanuts. So Tom took his tires. And hit him everywhere. And hit him at, like, so he had three tires and still was looking for one. It was in the bubble. So Bill finally was like, look, guys, just stop screwing around. Yeah, you're putting too much playing. It's getting out of the trouble. Yeah, it's good.

So Bill had to put a stop to him. Man, he was going for weeks. He was going. Dude, they were, I mean, I'm like, dude, when I tell you, some of my most funnest times in life is on a football field and in a locker room. Oh, 1,000 percent. So people always ask me, do you miss the game? I'm like, no, you know, I miss my teammates in the locker room and the fans.

That's what I miss. I don't miss the game itself. I miss the camaraderie just hanging out in the locker room two, three hours after we finish and just sitting down and drinking, gatorade, and just hanging out in the locker room. In my career, I played 11 years. You guys played a little bit long. Where did you play total? 12.

12. 11. You played 11? Yes. All right. So I can ask you this. If you would have played 11 years. 11 or 12, right?

Would there have been a difference in how you're living right now? Probably. You think so? Maybe. There's a few more M's. Yeah, a few more M's. But at the end of the day, a few more M's.

It was a bigger contract in the back of my career. Yeah. There's a lot big years. How many headshots do you take? How many headshots you take? How many headshots you take? Any headshots that last year? They don't even hit anymore.

So the few M's. They don't even hit you more. Okay. We throw on those Seattle football out there. That was 15 years ago. I know. No, but they all catch up to you. You see, these Vise's helmets are freaking sick.

We didn't play with those. If I could have kept playing, I would have kept playing. We played with the helmets that they're banned now. You can't even put them on. Yeah. You're one. No, the last helmet I wore, you can't even wear anymore. Yeah, that's you.

That sounds like a you problem. I was wearing a Vicer's for like 10 years. That's Tom. His helmet, he can't. Tom had that old school helmet. I remember how big his helmet was because he's got such a large head. It was like elongated, like a bus, you know, because he has that like 2x helmet that he wore.

And it was that old school Rydell. Remember the old school Rydell? He couldn't even wear it. At the end of his career, he was grandfathered into wearing his... Just like the single button guy. Yeah, you know, I remember that? Aaron Rogers is still grandfathered into it.

Yeah, he's a meme now because of that one. Mm-hmm. All right, let's get into the hard-hap on the nose. We didn't get anything to our kids. Come on. Let's go, uh, Pat's over under 11 wins this year. Under. Why under?

11 wins? I know you're a big Patriots fan. Yeah, but let's be realistic. New coach, new players. Three hundred three. Okay. Hit in the draft, got the tackle, got wide receivers. Got the tap.

The defense's stats. Why under 11? Wait a minute. I'm just saying like, let's be realistic. You think you're going to have 12 wins? 12 wins. 12 is a lot. They're going to be a 12 win team after being a four-win team.

It is tough. I mean, look at the Washington. So I took the under. Commanders? Yeah. Commanders. Yeah, they did it. You just said, so my thought is, do you win over under nine?

All right. That's more realistic. I'm a nine. I think they're nine, ten, ten. Okay, there we're going over. You're going over. You're going over. You're going over on nine and I'm going under on 11.

Okay. You're right. That's a realistic. That is. So do you think that you can win instantly with overpaying in free agency? That's a great point because look at the. They just spent 355 million. Let's talk about the,

that's a lot. The dream team, Philadelphia Eagles, remember 2013? Yes. Coach Balochek always put them up on the board. There was so much talk about them. They were talking all where the greatest team. We got so many free. agencies come in and then they what went five and 11 that year six I don't I mean six and

10 and they brought in that many free agencies it doesn't mean you're going to gel as a team when you bring in that many free agents exactly but but they're veteran free agencies rabel's a guy that kind of you know feel like you're like he's like he's he's together he's a guy that you know he's he's the glue guy right and he's one of them dudes you see him and that what's it forged in foxborough now they got the we're like building this thing up like our new team has like our new facility we're going to build it from the ground up with steel and iron and we're going to good yeah it's great it's great marketing so my thought is if you protect the quarterback which is number one in the NFL right i don't think you could ever overpay for offense alignment no but they

didn't so like like when you said they overpaid for a bunch of free agents when you how much is they they didn't get any free agencies on the offensive line they got moses he's a little 34, he's been around, you know, last year was kind of riddled with injuries. Where did they get him from? He was with the commanders. Okay. Yes. So actually he was, I played against him with the commanders.

And then he went to the, he was with the jet. He was banged up last year. He was playing up some. Is he good? He's a very good player. All right. They drafted. And I would say that, I would say that all his interviews, Campbell, not Compton.

Will Compton. I was thinking about what is there. I was just on busting with the boys. Did he make that tackle, by the way, or did he miss it? Well, I was on the sidelines. and, like, kind of just pushed me out. It was like a gimmie. Okay.

It was a gimmie tackle. But what was bad on his party is it was just a normal flat route. And I got 12 yards in the flat route. He didn't do his job in the coverage game. Yeah. No. So then it was a gimmee tackle. So tough.

I mean, you on the sideline. I was rolling, though. I was fast back. Yeah. You were pretty fast. So I think you look at, I do like his interviews, by the way. The first overall pick, right? If you could describe yourself in one word, how would you, nasty,

my job is to protect the quarterback. I love getting down and nasty in the trenches. I'm just out there past setting, trying to protect my quarterback. Like, that gets me going, right? You love offensive linemen. All right, wait up. How many times have you been practicing that?

No, I just made it up just real quick. It's like you and the Bill Belichick impersonation. How many times you're in the mirror? Just, I mean, come on. I sat in front of him for 12 years and watched him pick his nose. He did, yeah. I can tell you his habits from everything. Yeah, I know. Isn't that it's attractive, isn't it? You didn't, you didn't sit next to

Campbell for 12 years? No, I just listened to him and I and then you practiced a couple times. No, just you just. It's all about watching. You recorded yourself once doing it. No, never did that. Yes, you did. No, I don't think I did. Yes, you did. No, Jules. I think I'm just pretty good and improv. This is a funny episode. All right. I need to be throwing Aemakers. Yeah, come on. Geez, I'm going to have to jiff you. All right, well, talking about Bill, we got Nenko here and looking at that hat. What was it like visiting Bill at Chapel Hill. I had Chapel Bill.

Yeah, it was great. I was great. Yeah, it was great. Did you hit the bars? Did Page let you go out? No, I didn't do anything like that. Even being that far away? Track my phone.

I'm sure I was in the hotel. Okay. But anyway, it's, you know, for me, I feel, you know, look, you put her shirt like this on. You wear a hat like this. Get something, maybe walk around, you know, Com Ave. Tommy Bahama baby. What are you trying to say? You walk around Comab and what?

Maybe you just pick up a younger chick or something, you know? Oh, okay. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Everyone's so serious these days. I'm a married man. Freaking page. I love you. She's the best. But I would go after you if I saw that ring. So I was that guy's looking so. It was great. So this is my, this is my thought. I was surprised that he took that job. I think we were all a little shocked or surprised. I think the challenge is probably going to be trying to get the most out of a less talented roster. The worst NFL team in the NFL is more talented. Let's face it. Like you could have the shittiest.

NFL football team and you have a, you know, roster full of studs. So I think it might be a little bit more difficult to get the most out of some of these kids that, let's face it, maybe one, two, maybe three or NFL caliber players. Like you look at NFL teams. How many NFL guys played on your Arizona team? Three or four or four. How many from Kent State? Three. Three. So like every college team probably has three if four max NFL Califel. And some have one, maybe zero, right? Some have none, right? Some have none, especially, you know, if you're Alabama, you're going to have maybe eight to ten. You got a lot money at Chapel Hill. Yeah, but you're going to have to bring in some talent. And I know that like the big 10, some of these big schools,

they have to cut down on their roster because there's no walk-ons anymore. So they did away with the walk-on. So if you're from Carolina, you're Chapel Hill, you're trying to pick those guys up through free agency. So, you know, it was interesting. because there's definitely, you know, you talk to some of these kids. You're like, how old are you? Like, oh, I'm 18. Like, shit, you're 18 years old. Okay.

It's pretty wild, honestly. You know, I was a young, I didn't red shirt, so I was young. I was 18 when I was in junior college and when I got drafted at 21. So my rookie season, I was 22 years old, you know, a lot of these kids, they're, you know, red shirt, gray shirt, transfer year, COVID year. You know, you got some kids that are 24 and you got other kids that are 18. So you have a wide discrepancy there of age. It's a good word.

Discrepancy. Yeah, I'm learning. This guy's smart. Yeah, Purdue guy, you know, 3.2 GPA, not bad. Oh, Slate only had a 3.1 at UCLA. I know. 3.2. This guy, this guy is pretty smart.

Superwaves right here. They say Purdue's like the Ivy League of public schools. All right. Next question. You played with Sean Payton. Well, I didn't play with him. Yeah. That's like, you know, somebody said like somebody stole Bill Belichick's Super Bowl jersey.

It's like, yeah, he didn't wear a jersey. like bill's never worn this isn't baseball we're like which is weird don't you think the manager is wearing like a full uniform is odd well that's baseball i know imagine like bill in a baseball the manager used to play though in the early 1890s i know i know that's that's the history i thought you were a tradition guy i leave our weight room walk through the locker room go by our meeting room go down the hallway and of course i'm not really as scared or because you don't know yet i don't know yet. That's what I'm saying. Like, I'm not as... You're naive. I'm naive.

This guy thinks he can you go talk to Bill. Go talk to Bill. You know, like, can I not go talk to... What an idiot! I guess we'll start with how Bill put me in Fat Camp, you know, like, when I was overweight, coming in as a running back, and do you want me to go ahead and elaborate on that story? What is his back camp? Man.

What is it? Heavyweights? Man. Did he bring in Ben Stiller, Tony? Tony Perkins? Bro. It's one of those deals. Billichick's is Tony Perkins right now? You get to New England, and of course you're going in there, and it's Bill Belichick. Bill's intimidating, bro. Like, you got to give it to him, man.

Like, he knows what he's doing. He's got a system in place, and you don't mess with him. You know what I mean? You just don't. You respect him. You're in the presence of one of the greatest to ever do it, if not the greatest coach to ever do it. I'm going to give him his, man. He is because I play for a lot of ball coaches, but, you know, you have that meeting where you come in there

and you're a rookie. He gives you your playing weight, and he brought me into the office because I go to the weight room and coach Nash, hop on the scale. Ridley, and I hopped on the scale. How much was it? And I'm leaving.

How much was it? About 235, 238, somewhere. What year is this? Rookie year? It's my rookie year. You came in at 238? Came in. I played at LSU around 230.

You know what I mean? Like as a running back. But eight pounds is eight pounds. Eight pounds is a lot, bro. Eight pounds is a lot. And you wait until the story gets going because you all don't understand. What's the weight?

What's the weight? So Nash gets in there, Coach Nash is our string coach. And he's like, Ridley, hop on the scales. I hop on the scale. I don't think I was tipping that thing between 235, 240. SEC running back between the tackles.

I'm a big bat. Hey, I obviously did something right because coach you drafted me. You like what you saw. Nash is like, Ridley, you got some work to do. And I'm like, all right? You know, I ain't scared of work.

Coach said you got to be at two, I said, 220. How? I said, Nash, you're tripping. I talked to you're tripping, bro. I said, nah. He said, don't ask me. I'm just telling you what the boss man said.

And I said, well, which boss man are we talking about? He said, you can go see the head man if you want to. There I went, you know what I mean? Like, what's the problem? I got to go talk to coach and see what's up because the reason. So you went from weight room. Yeah. You took that long-ass walk down those hallways.

To that entry door. And you saw Bears. Cross Barrage's office. I said, Bears is Coach available? And I didn't think I was doing anything wrong. I might have been getting off to on the wrong foot with Bill Belichette because here I am as a rookie walking into his office trying to tell him what my playing weight would be. But what do I know?

I'm a rookie, guys. You know what I mean? I'm just coming in like, Coach, come on. So Nash is telling me I'm 235 on a light day. 240 if I finish leaving the breakfast buffet eating my bacon and omelets and grits that I get every day so he's like we want you at 220 by a certain day I can't remember what he said

so I was like man that's impossible I was like there's no way I'm going to be able to do that so I walked back I said all right coach Nash I'm heading on up to go talk to Bill to see what's up see if I can kind of work this out he thought you're going in there and negotiate a couple pounds go talk to coach I thought you're ready a couple coach you give me 228 Hey, anything.

We beat it. Can we meet in the middle? And y'all, when I tell y'all, coach is so. So, wait, paint the picture. You walk in. Where's he? Is he at his desk at his computer? Okay.

So I leave our wait room, walk through the locker room, go by our meeting room, go down the hallway. And, of course, I'm not really as scared or. Because you don't know yet. I don't know yet. That's what I'm saying. Like, I'm not as. You're naive. I'm naive.

This guy thinks you can go talk to Bill. going to talk to Bill, you know? Like, can I not go talk to? What an idiot. Hey, it truly, when I look back on things now. If I was walking by you in the hallway as a second year or third year guy, just like, what a dumb ass. All right, so you pass bears.

I come down the hallway, and you're saying all is to say, I have seen, I want to get too far off track, but I've seen rookies, y'all, like on my back end, because I was there for four years. I've seen rookies come in and see Bill coming down the hallway and they would literally like just bust the left or right into a random meeting room

because they don't want to look this man in his eyes bro like Bill comes down the hallway I'm not making this up cut sweatshirt hoodie on looks like he's been in his office for three days his car had to move like people are like freaked out you know what I mean

so I didn't know what to do I walk down there and I'm like hey bearish you can't get to Bill without going through bears but if you make that right into that office, you better have a damn good reason to go in there. And I had a damn good reason that day, Coach, because I can't drop all this weight how you're trying to get me to drop it. Let me show you all how much he cared. I walked in, I said, Coach. And he's at his death.

He's at his desk. He's at his desk. He's at his desk behind his decks. I said, yeah, Red, come on in and sit down. Okay. Did he know you were coming or was he blindsided? He was blindsided. Bears let me in. You know, Bears check said, you know, Stephen's here to talk to you. Did you tell Bears why you were talking to him? Oh, I can't. I can't really remember those details, but I definitely... What did Bear, did you just... Here's you go, sure. Bears looked at me.

I guess I walked in. I was like, Bears, is Coach available? And he kind of looked up? And I was like, I just need to talk to him real quick. I guess nothing. So Bill's sit you down. And when I walk in there, Bill's sitting behind his desk. And he's like, come on in and sit down.

So I walked in and sat down. He's like, what you got, Rhid? Said, coach, I need to talk to you about this weight. I was like, I just weighed in, you know, and Coach Nash. told me at the weight that you have told him that you want me to play at, and I'm just making sure this is the right weight, and this is not, like, a mistake. Like, and he said, what's the number?

I can't really remember what I had, and I a yada. I said, well, the number is. You could have gone right there. If you wanted to make the decision, you could have said 225. Because if you, if he didn't remember the weight, maybe he would have agreed at 225. All right, you messed up. Go ahead.

I should have a better negotiation tactic as though what Jules said. but I'm just in there trying not to die and starve myself out at this rate. So I go in and I say, well, coach, this weight that you want me at, I said, Coach Nash said, you want me at 220. And I said, that's impossible. So I'm just telling you right now, I don't know what it is. And I said, I don't know how you want me to get there. I said, I'll bust my ass and do whatever.

But I'm like, 220. I said, can I just tell you a little bit about me? Like, he doesn't already know. You drafted me. The Patriots investigate everybody. They know everything about you before they even get you in the building. So I said, coach, uh... What did he say when can I tell you about me?

I said, can I tell you about me? And, uh, he was like, sure. You know, he's just dry. You know, he's not going to be much. I pulled out my driver's license. And I pulled out my driver's license. It's true story. I pulled out my driver's license.

I said, coach, I see you looking look. I'm 240. I just want to show you this. I said, coach, and I promise this true story. I said, I just want to tell you, like, if you can look at my driver's license, I slid it on his desk. You know, I'm bold as a rookie. He's like, what is this clown?

You know what I mean? I said, these numbers that are on my driver's license are from when I got my permit in high school before I even got a driver's license, my permit. And on my permit at 15 and a half years old, I was 511, 220 pounds. That's how much I weighed in high school. So I said, coach, you mean to tell me

that you want me to drop from 238 all the way down to 220, and he looked at me and he said kind of smack those lips well red I mean really I think it's only about $563 per pound per day that you're overweight so it's really up to you

and I said what? I'm like what do you mean he was like per pound per day and he doubled down on it I was like I can do quick math bro I'm third round drive pick I ain't got money like that.

So Fat Camp I went. You know what I mean? I'm like, screw it, coach. You know what I mean? If that's how we're going to go about it, there's nothing I can do. So what's Fat Camp until? So Fat Camp consisted of me coming in. Once I had to drop from 238 to my weight when I was 15 years old of 220,

it required me changing my diet with our beautiful nutrition, Ted. First, Ted put me on this strict diet. I had to come in the fat camp, which was running before practice. So we had to come in and either do our workout what, like before practice in the mornings, or we had to go and do our workout after practice once we got off the field. I was always an early riser, so I came in early in the morning. So Fat Camp, I was basically in there with all the guys who were overweight that were trying to cut weight. So I would have to go in every morning.

And I'm talking about it's still dark outside, 5 a.m. And just hit the treadmill and run. And so that was the first time that I really, I think the structure, and I look back on that, I'm like, that structure and that discipline, it made me a good pro because I legit drop this weight for the simple fact that I was not going to give up my money and let's do the math. If I'm 238 and the weight is 220, let's do that times 563 bucks times 18 per day. Like, my paychecks are going to be pretty thin.

You know, the Massachusetts state taxes weren't too forgiving. You know what I mean? I don't need to be giving away any extra. 8.3 now, right? 6.8? It used to be in there's some new shit. something crazy. So I got on board with the program and coach didn't really like yell at me or nothing like that.

But I don't know if I kind of rubbed them the wrong way from jump. But it was just like one of those deals, it shook me up as a rook. I'm like, how in the hell am I about to drop 20 pounds or 25 pounds? And you want me to run between the tackle, bang it out with the Brandon Spikes of the world and the Gerard Meadows of the world, linebackers at 255. Were you better at 220? Quick as a cat, man. freaking nasty dude like once i got to that playing wait i'm like hey you know bill knows what the hell he's talking who else was in fat camp with you dude i could i think big marcus canon was in there

uh yeah canaan used to cheat the fucking scale remember that one time margis canon he used to have in all the time he was always in fat camp he was just a big boy though probation all the time huge and he would go in and he would do it with a towel on his weight and then he'd have a pencil right like here so he could leverage himself up lean on it? Huh?

And lean on it? Yes, he could lean on it and lift it up. And he would fucking make it, they caught him like three times. He was in fact, camp like his whole career. It's a grind, bro, because people don't really realize, it's like, man, once coach sets this, you know,

coach that didn't just start coaching. It never goes up either. No, that is your weight So my four years in New England I played at 220 But bro, I never was like a top end guy I never had like breakaway speed So I always prided myself on

Living by five yards of carry Like if I get five yards every time I touch his pill That's halfway to a first down I can bang it out with whoever DB safeties I used to hit those motherfuckers like speed bumps bro Like I wasn't even worried about I was just downhill with it

But once you got to the league And you had to lose that weight You know you became more of a pro You know what I mean So Bill went back And after we didn't get the negotiation the first time, I think it was about halfway through the season. I'm like, coach, can I get a couple pounds? Give me a little bit here or there.

He still didn't lighten up. But it was just like I learned to respect that, bro, don't question. Just do. You know what I mean? Because it made me a hell of a running back. It really did. And I would have never been there. I never even thought about playing that like because I didn't think I had to pop behind my pads

to be a first and second down back and a short yardage back like I was. But I was wrong. I can say that. He's probably at that point at his career seen about a thousand of you. Yes. Yes.

And that was the weight that he wants to make. He's seen the Hirschild War. He's seen them all. You know, I brought that southern flared to the locker room. You know what I mean? Like, we believe

coming out of LSU, man, it was like, you look good, you play good. You got to be swacked out. You know what I mean? You got to have some good tunes and have the energy going. So I used to pull up the game day

and the Hummer, you know what I mean? Subs going, beating the block down, hollered my people at the game. Oh, And it was just always good. Gary's doing a donut in there for the crowd. Hey, that's another story too, man.

Hey, remember when we had the big snow. You don't remember us. We had the big snowstorm. Yeah, and we were all just ripping donuts in the parking lot. We did the parking lot. I do that every snow. It crashed in the markets, can it? Did you?

Before the game. Before the game, we're out there just going nuts. Before a game? I do like on a Friday when there's no one in there. I think it was like before. I want to say it was before the game because we had the snowstorm. We're taking those back. Back roads, you know, where you go through Foxborough, you know, you had the little houses

and everybody was like, lived next to each other. So it's like a caravan. All the boys were taking the back roads to get to the stadium. So I see this parking lot that hadn't been hit, no tread, no track in there. I'm like, fresh powder. Whipp a right right there in the Hummer, and there I go, I'm smashing on it. Ah, there's doing donuts out there. And the funny thing is, I remember it clear as day.

Wes Welker's houses in the backyard and Canada, I'm doing donuts out there. And all of a sudden, you see Morgan's Cannon come over the hill and his Toyota Tundra ramps over the hill and he's got pipes on his and he's like, ah! And we're spinning out there and hitting them, just having a blast until, of course, we lose control. And I hit Cannon and boom, smack it. And when I smacked it, I looked over and I swear,

you see the blind slide over like this. And Wes stuck his head out there. And he was like, oh, y'all fucking idiots. And he just closed the blinds. and went on by his business because I really want to say it was either like before game or after game but I remember seeing West with a big old blue eyes you know what I'm saying like he's looking out the blinds it's like man I didn't know if it was a neighborhood of West like oh y'all are fucking idiots dude it was it was funny but hey we're having a good time but that was that was our

foxborough days so basically that story just told me that when bill tells us before training camp don't drive like a fucking idiot in foxborough he was talking to you he was talking to about me okay he was talking about me he was I remember my rookie year my welcome to the NFL moment was like I was rolling in like my my Toyota rental and I park in the way back of the players lot and all of a sudden there's this fucking huge semi a fucking semi truck rolls in and parks up right in the front and takes like two damn spots backs in backs in this big ass orange semi truck it's fucking Vince's daily driver. Vince had like a huge semi-truck daily driver.

He gets out of that thing, and it looked just like him in front of the barbecue, just a comfort zone for him, just a big-ass dude getting out of a big-ass truck. Big V was just fucking so cool. That was like my first welcome to NFL. I was like, holy shit, I didn't even know you can buy semi-trucks.

Well, speaking of welcome to the NFL, he gave me my welcome to the NFL dosage of a hit. Wooden training camp rookie year. You know the Wambler. What's the way in block? Explain it. Where they let go, the guy let's the, just defense to tackle free. So then he thinks he's going to go get a sack.

And then a wham block is when I come across the line of scrimmage at the tight end position when I'm off the ball. And I'm the one that goes and I wham the defense of tackle and try to block them. Like a trap for the tight end. There you go. Exactly. And we're trapping the defense of tackle. So he knows it's coming.

I mean, this is a specialty play that the New England Patriots been running. Nine on seven. They know the fucking script. Well, well before me. Yeah, it is. It was a 997. So, yeah, the defense does know the script so they can look really good in the run game throughout that whole period. And I think they also told them this play was coming, being specifically knowing I'm on a black vans and they wanted to see my toughness as a rookie. So the play is called. I'm in full paths. You know, I'm like a Wamblock. I got to show my toughness. I got to show my keeps. I got to get the respect of my fellow teammates, especially the vet. Let me pay the picture also. Rob's a rookie here. Vee was like the big dog on campus. In practice, no one really gets close to him because you don't want to piss him off when you're new. It's like, holy shit, is that a, that is a large human being. He's like so big. I think there's like something that orbits him, like on how round he is. Like that's, you didn't

want to get in his way. He didn't want to piss him off because he was very intimidated. Get back to your story. So the play, you know, gets on its way. I do my little two. You know, two side steps, you know, on the motion. I'm running full speed right at Vince Wilford. This guy peeks over to his left. He sees me coming. He has this grin on his face, knowing I was coming. He put his shoulder down.

I'm going full speed at him. And he gets that leverage and just tease off on me. I went flying backwards five to six yards. I didn't even land on my back. He sent me flying in the air where I left. landed on my feet still. Oh my God. Yeah. And that hit hurt like a mother effort. But what's cool is I gained the respect to my teammates. And my coach at that time, tight end coach in that meeting that day when we went and reviewed the players. Brian Farrants. Brian Ference. He's now at Iowa with his dad

doing, you know, doing his thing, doing a good job. He goes, yo, what were you thinking trying to block Vince Wofford? He goes, you're never going to do that again. I go, thank you. Thank you. I go, I'll never do it again. And ever since that day, you know, we had about five more of those calls. And I just go up to him, I hug him. I didn't need to try to block them. It was just only going to get me hurt from there on out. Yeah, I just give him a hug.

Like, Vince, no, no, no, it's the way I'm black, man. I know you're going to beat me. Like, there's no reason to go through this motion of me getting thrown backwards again. Oh, my God. I'm going to break a rib. He's so, he's so strong. And I know you love your ribs and you're going to, you know. He'll probably eat them.

Yeah. Enjoy them after with your barbecue sauce, buddy. Oh, my. That had to be so terrifying. It was. Well, at that time, it wasn't. Because he's an intimidating guy when you joined the team, too. It was terrifying after that because I was trying to, you know, gainer my keeps, man.

Like, I was trying to prove myself. So I didn't care who was in my way. And then I learned I do care who's in my way. Yeah, when it comes down to the NFL. You got to, that's when you learn on when to, you know, take your shots at someone, one not to, when to block someone hard, one to kind of like just brother-in-law, box someone out. as well, instead of trying to hit them full speed.

If you hit them full speed, heads up, they, you know, they're way bigger than you. This is when you start learning the ins and outs. 2016. The high tower sack. What do you get on that? Yeah, I mean, same call. Isn't that crazy? Stackback or left?

Same call I just talked about with Ninkovich. It was the same call, but let me go back. So this is, this is you. So obviously, so we're a lot of five down. We're playing, you know, really good offense. It's coming at us fast. We're struggling on defense, right? Yeah, this is what.

one of the highest scoring offenses in the history of the league. Yeah, offensive MVP, best coordinator with Channy, you know, like coordinator of the year. Everything. Yeah, lost. Okay. So coordinator of the year, best off, you know, a lot of stuff, right? So, so first half isn't going good. I'm trying to make adjustments.

It's long. And the, this is another one of those weird things, right? So the night before the game, you know, we got extra time. So I'm like, hey, let's watch this game. Let's watch this game. So I had watched the Chargers game And I was like I need to show this game So it was the night before the game

I sat down with the defense and I said listen I go this offense can score points I go but if we just play the game all the way out I go we'll be okay So look at this game so the Chargers in that year Got down early they got down big But as you watch the game To Atlanta as you watch the game

They just started chipping away Second half chipping away And then they scored and then they stopped them And then they turned the ball over and it got all the way down to the end of the game, and the Chargers actually kicked a field goal and won the game. Yeah. It came back from it.

It was a big deficit. It was good, kind of like, I was like, I'm going to show this game. So I remember, you know, before the first half ended, I was like, all right, I need to, we've got to go in this locker room. We've got to remind everybody, like, we're okay here. Another half of this game. And we just saw on tape how they, you know, there's a window here. So we go in the locker room.

First thing, you know, you do, because it's half of the game. times longer. I'm like, all right, everybody do what you got to do. Take a couple seconds. And I just got the defense. I said, listen, here's what we're going to do. I'm like, Julio is ridiculous. Like, you know, we had the whole like, oh, he's injured. He can't play it off his right foot. He's only going to be able to break left. Yeah. No. He could break wherever we wanted to. So we had to, because I was cheating alignments based on that injury information. Yeah. I was like, don't worry about it. And then again, you know, we meg the backside of cover two. We undercut him. I think it was

Logan and he reached up over the top of Logan and took the end cut. And I was like, oh, shit we got a problem so yeah so that was in the first half like first series of the game or whatever so we go into the locker room and said listen we're going to all the red area calls i said i'm just we're going to play the red area calls these are calls we're going to do went through the staff go back to the players and i said fellas listen i go first of all first half here's the issues this is what happened i go remember what we watched last night i was like the charger game i'm like we're going to come back and win this thing i'm like we are going to going to be fine. Like we just go play every single down. We got it. We put herself in a hole,

but we got to play every single snap. These are the calls we're going to make. I go, you got to believe right now because we're going to do this. And what was happening was Duran was on the bike. You remember this? No. Duran was on the bike and he was trying to stay warm. And so I let the players, you know, I get done with my meeting and players are going to the coaches. And Duran starts chirping. He starts chirping. He's like, we got it. Like he just, I just, and I was like, you could feel the end. energy and you could feel the belief and then all of a sudden you come in and you're like we got to go and you start chirping with duron and you guys are chirping back and forth and the energy's building

and i remember walking out i was like holy fuck we're going to win this game and i just i just because i don't know where you came from i don't know why you're on our side and duron was like chirping and it was like you two are chirping at each other and it was almost like i don't know if you were trying to pump us up or he was trying to pump you up or whatever it was but it was just it built and I was like, I walked down, I was like, holy shit, we're going to win this game. And I told him before we went out, I said, here's what's going to happen. We're going to get a negative play on the first run.

They're going to run the ball. I'm like, hi, if they run it at you, this is a TFL. I'm like, the first third down, they're not going to throw. We're going to double over here. It's coming backside. It'll be three by one. You got to make the play. It was Eric made the play on the backside.

So the very first series, they had the ball. TFL on the first play. They run it to high. Third down, they throw it to Eric. It was like third and long because we had put them in long yard situation. we break it up to come aside and I go here we go it's going to happen so we go through the game and what happened was

the series they're going left or right so they're going that way in the end zone second down run Coleman is in the game Coleman was the third down back Freeman was early down back so Coleman comes in hands it off and I look and he's on the ground and he's injured screwed up his ankle

and I remember watching I was like it's third down Coleman's out and I clicked on I say hey hi I said hi listen I said Coleman's out Freeman's in. I go, we're going stack back or left. I go, don't show it. I go walk late. I go, he'll never see you. I go, go get the ball. Scoop. We got a score, bro. I go, you got this right now.

I just, it was one of those like, Coleman got hurt. It clicked on my head. Freeman was in there. He was going to miss the protection. Don't show it. Walk up late. We're coming right at him. And we're about to score. We didn't score. I thought we were going to score. Yeah. But I was like, I just, so I'm on with high the whole time.

I go, wait, wait, wait, wait, and I can see the quarterback give Freeman the mic point. I can see him scan. because he's got the mic and he's got scan and he sees high inside and then high he goes outside I go all the way outside the bunch he walked all the way outside the bunch and he comes ripping off the edge

and I was like no one even sees him and he stripped it I think Branch recovered it I was like I thought we were gonna screwing score but it was the same call as Rob called in 2014 Rob stopped him on the third and short

and it was just one of those things where it was like it just clicked in my head it was like Freeman's out you know they're not gonna screw up the third down protection let's go get him so that was the turnover which really then, you know, now we're feeling it.

Then we had the Treyflower's sacks. So then later in the game, now they're driving. They throw Julio's right there. And I was with Julio last year. He's like the best, right? And I was like, bro, how far out of bounds did you reach? The little ball is literally 10 yards out of bounds. It's ridiculous, right?

I'm in the coaches. It's past me and he catches this thing. And everyone's on the headside, it's like, he's out. I'm like, literally looking at his feet. I'm like, he's not out. I'm like, he just caught it. Yeah. So now they're in field goal range and I was like, oh, my God.

So I'm like, hey, Dev, we got a blitz. So Blitz, Debt, we get the TFL. And so now it's like, and everyone's like, they're going to run it again, they're going to run it again. And in some of my head was like, they're not going to run it. They're going to throw. And I'm arguing. I'm arguing on the headsets with Bill.

And he's like, they're going to run it. I'm like, they're not going to run it. I'm like, they're the quarterback of the year. They got the offender of the year. Like, they're throwing the ball over the place. I'm going to throw it again. Like, they're going to get in their own way here. I'm like, I'm like, I'm, so I called,

I actually called three-man rush because I wanted to have max coverage but it was a five-down look but as they lined up I look and now I've got one I got Jabal who's great sheared he's on the outside but now I'm like

oh shit it's the wheel route I'm like oh I'm like this is about I'm freaking out because I'm like this is about to be a touchdown and so sure enough back I think it was Freeman he releases I see Jabal he's peeling on the wheel I was like oh my like

here we go and Trey just because I put him on the nose because of his quickness and his length and I knew that they would struggle. Alex Mac was hurt. Yeah, he had the ankle. And I knew he was going to struggle with the redirect and Tray's arms

for so long he could get into you and he was skinny. And he just skinny through and he gets in and he sacks him and I was like, I mean, saved my life. So then what happens is on that play, was that one or the next one,

Hightower, he's on, I think it was long, on the other side. And Hightower gets held, totally buried. And they didn't call it. And I see High talking to the official and I was like,

They're going to call holding. I was like, so I was, they're down. So I'm like, hey, hi, go again. So he rushes again. Flag comes out. I was like, pushing them back in front. I'm like, I don't know how that hell. Like you just, like you just see that stuff.

So then, you know, again, the whole thing was they weren't in control of the game. We were controlling the game. We were running. We were stopping the run now. And now we got to cover a kick. And those guys made an unbelievable. They pin them deep late in the game. And I remember clicking on.

We stopped them on first. I remember clicking on the bill and I go, hey, we're about to win the Super Bowl and the craziest rule that no one's ever seen before. I'm like, be ready for a free kick. Because I was like, if they don't get any more yardage, I'm like, we're going to fair catch the thing and we're going to win the Super Bowl. It's going to be crazy. I think they got like seven put us out just out of it.

You know, they kicked it out. I was thinking walk off because I went down to return the punt. Yeah. I was sitting there like, all right, man, if I fucking walk this off, man. Yeah. I'm going to have the fucking. It's going to be the best thing ever. Unbelievable.

So, so then, you know, we go to overtime. We tried some other shit. Remember we tried the Gamecock? Bro. I mean,

blue his hamstring. I was the, it was like, that was so bad. Gamecock was like the annexation of Puerto Rico played for us.

We're a guy, like a fumble rooski, give it to this guy. Fake Neil, hand it over and fucking, yeah. That was a crazy game. That was crazy.

So then we win. Yeah. It's bananas. I'm, so we go through all the sale. I get on the bus, right? So I get on,

the bus. Tom, Tommy's in the back. It's Josh, Laura, myself, Raina, Bill, Tommy's in the back. And I'm literally like, did we win? Like, I don't even know what happened. And Josh is looking to me, he goes, hey, bro, he goes, I didn't, I didn't see any of the defense. I didn't see one play of the offense. It was because every series was like, this has to go right. Then this has to go. So your catch? I didn't see that until the next day. I was like, I didn't see any of any of that happened during the game. And Josh was like, what happened to you? And I'm like, bro, we got that stackbacker left call. He's like, you should see this catch Julian made.

And then we ran this. And Josh and are trying to fill each other in because I'm like, I don't even know if we won. And Bill turns around and he goes, hey, look, he goes, listen. He goes, you know, we got to play these guys next year. It's probably going to be like the first game of the year. They'll probably do that threat. When we get back, let's make sure we write down like what was good. I'm like, I don't even know if we won, Bill.

I'm like, we literally on the bus. I'm like, what are you talking about right now? I'm like, no days off, Maddie P. I was like, holy crap. We're on to 20. Yeah, Josh and I just looked at you and started laughing. I was like, what are you talking about? I don't even know if we won the game.

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