Games with Names - Chi-Town Rumble with Ric Flair | Ricky Steamboat vs. Ric Flair

Episode Date: October 21, 2025

Ric Flair is in studio! The kiss stealin', wheelin' dealin', jet flyin' son of a gun is with us to relive an all-time classic: The Chi-Town Rumble against Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat from 1989.  (00:00:28) We kick things off. (01:40:21) Ric joins us on the couch. (55:05:88) We go back to February 1989. (1:02:17:64) We look at the matchup between these legends. (1:14:42:64) We get into the match. (1:23:16:92) We score it. (1:31:41:20) We hit the ol' hotline in The Chill Zone presented by Coors Light. Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Kyler is over there, Jack's on Riverside, and we're on a search to find the greatest game of all time, and on today's episode, we are covering the Rumbling Shytown from 1989 between Rick Flair and Ricky Steamboat with 21-time world champion Rolex wearing W.W.E. Hall of Famer

Kiss stealing the nature boy, Rick Flair. And we're talking the craziest purchase he ever made. 300 pairs of alligator shoes from Ruth Friedman. Partying with Dennis Rodman. Dennis is God of his fucking wine. Who would cheat on Madonna? Andre the Giant Stories.

He drank a goddamn 747 out of every bottle of vodka on the plane. And then we hit the old chill line in this week's chill zone presented by Coors' like, you got to stick around to the very end. Let's go. Games with Names is a production of I-Heart Radio. February 20th, 1989, UIC Pavilion, Chicago, Illinois. It's Riggie Steamboat versus Rick Flair, style and profile of a limousine ride, jet flying kids,

stealing wheelings, and Sarmacott, having a hard time. Wheeleys All the Alligator's down. This is Wheeling and dealing in the windy city. Woo! Welcome to games. Today we're looking at the Shytown Rumble. Rick Flair versus Ricky Steamboat

with the legendary Rick Flair himself. Now, Rick, in one sentence, why did you pick this match? because I had the best chemistry with him of anybody ever wrestled I wrestled Dusty Moore I wrestled Sting a lot Luger Harley Race

but he and I just had that chemistry you know whenever talked before the match he trusted me to just you know talk our way through it so and to me he's arguably the greatest

baby face of all time. Sean Michael's what he wants to, when Sean wants just work baby face is great too, but Sean can go both ways. Ricky, there's nothing bad about Ricky Stainboat. Just the nicest guy in the world. He looks like it.

465 bench. 465? Yeah. He didn't he, what, 510? Him? He said 510? Or is he? I think he's 6 foot tall.

Six foot? That's still a lot. $4.65. Is this the greatest match of all time? Is this, I think we set the bar pretty high of this match. Well, he had three. That's one in the hour draw. And then Nashville afterwards.

But this, what makes this different, you know what I mean by a rest hold, right? Rest hold. Where you grab a hole on the guy and just hold him down. We never stopped for 30 minutes. It's technically insane. And he let me smack the shit out of them. You guys were definitely doing the stuff.

Yeah, he let me smack this shit. Couple times you guys were getting up in the neck area. Yeah. I mean, it was crazy. So this is your greatest match of all time? In my opinion, yeah. Well, he and I had many more. I had some really great ones with Barry Windham, too.

But I think we set the bar pretty high with this. at that time. It was constant. And we'll get into it more. But we want to see what you're up to. What do you up to these days? I'm selling cannabis, which I smoked way too much of last night.

And I've got an energy drink, and now I've dropped the line of liquor. What's the energy drink, man? Wu energy. Wu energy. Yeah. It's mushroom infused. Mushroom infused.

What kind of mushrooms? Functional mushrooms. Nothing to make you paranoid or anything. but if you drink one in the morning it'll just cruise of the day. It's great for brain functionality. Yeah.

It's like crazy studies into all the mushrooms right now especially for all the athletes that use their heads. Yeah. You know, I've done some of that stuff and I feel like it makes me cognitively like dialed.

Yeah. Sometimes I can't compute my thoughts. Yeah. And sometimes I feel like when I take some of these mushroom supplements, I can compute my thoughts. Yeah, yeah, the truth. There's some truth behind that.

They're expensive, but the good ones keep you going all day long. You know what? It costs money to live long. Yeah. It costs money to live long. Let's talk about some of your sports fandom. Who are you fan of? Sports, NFL, basketball, baseball.

Are you watching sports these days? Oh, every day. I live on sports. Of course, I love LeBron. I know Michael, but I still live. I think LeBron's better. Ooh. Just,

LeBron, just a different kind of cat, man. 6-8, 260, or 6-9. Michael is 6-6-6-215. You know, I just think, I don't know what record LeBron has to break. Yeah.

To say he's the man, but I love LeBron. I like Tom a lot. I think Tom will be here Thursday. Yeah, he's in L.A. Isn't they calling the game? No, he's calling Sunday's match. What's the, and America's Fox game of the week?

I want to say it's Bucks. No, it's not the Bucks. He's not, he's not doing Thursday. Thursday's, uh, Thursdays football prime. Yeah, that's Al Michael and the Kirk. And Kirk. Yeah. Now, are you big Tampa Bay Buccaneers fan?

I am kind of. They, they, they screw me around a little bit and, uh, that they, they called me. said, will you fly to Detroit for that Detroit draft? And then I got my, and wanted me to bring my daughter. So we got all set to go, and then they called me at the last minute. Instead, they were elected to go with someone else to choose a pick. So that kind of turned me off. And then the guys that do game date, right, wanted me to do something with

bucks for um monday night football so i went and did it and the guy that runs game day with kirk and all the guys said you do this i promise i'll have you on game day i never heard from again the same old story same old story yeah well we got to get you over to patriots nation make you a pat's fan of that we'll get you to ring the bell now the the lighthouse we got to get rick flair to do the lighthouse i'd love that i'd love that um what would it i love boston Boston, do you? They all got to do. How come?

It's just a nice city. It's fun. Yeah. One bar after another. One bar after another. A bunch of fun bars, that's for sure. How was it performing there when you were wrestling? The best.

Boston fans are great. Were they? Yeah, God. Yeah, Boston fans are really, that's one of our better markets in the big buildings. I'm so glad that big dig is over. My God. That exhausted me I'd put my GPS on my car

and when I'd go around the block five times the same place The big dig I mean they spent so much time And money on that thing And the traffic is still atrocious But you know what though Like downtown Boston with the Greenway

It's so much nicer than what it was Like you were there 93 used to go through downtown And it was a mess It was just sit in that damn tunnel For an hour Oh my God You still do

Yeah You still do What are some other cool sports towns that were fun to wrestling? Chicago is great. Chicago. New York is fun. This is a fun down to wrestling, too. L.A.

L.A. And Atlanta's fun. Atlanta's got issues now for a lot of different reasons. Yeah. In the South Greensboro, I mean, Charlotte. The South eats it up. Yeah, for the big way. I spent 42 years in Charlott.

So, but I'd have to say that, um, yeah, Chicago, Boston, obviously the garden, but the garden is, the New York is just so tough to navigate. My God. Yeah. And overseas, Tokyo is phenomenal. Sydney, Australia, Auckland, New Zealand. I mean, I've been everywhere. Tokyo's, have you been to Tokyo? I've never been to Tokyo. Oh, you've got to go. My dad went in the 80s with a rock band and he, He always raved about it. Oh, it's phenomenal. He said the food's great. It's clean.

The people are awesome. These karaoke bars that are open all night long. Yeah, it's tremendous. What's your karaoke song? The wanderer. The wanderer. I'm a type of guy that'll never settle. Seems to be the same story.

Hey, baby. As long as we wonder. Sometimes you just need. need to wander. That's right. So speaking to Charlotte, we had Ashley on a few months ago. Yeah. How cool is that to have your daughter wrestling in the game? That's what right now. It's unreal. Yeah. And she's the best. She's the best. Yeah. She's the best. Yeah. She's unreal. Do you now? 511, a buck 55, corkscrew, moonstalled, level nine gymnast. She could have gone to, She could have gone to any school in the country

if she would have agreed to pay LaBarreau, but she wanted to be an outside hitter. Yeah. And at 5-11, that's not what it's about right now. So, but she ran a 513 mile when she was in ninth grade. Wow. Yeah, and on one week's practice, because a diver at Providence High School got hurt.

She won the state championship in diving. Wow. Yeah. She's a full-on athlete. Oh, my God. She was so cool. Do you, do you see any of you in the ring when you watching her? No, she's so much better than I was.

Is she? Yes, yes, in the ring, absolutely. She's just. That, at Corkshire Moonsal at 511 at $1.55, you've seen it, right? Yeah. You know, I have a little girl, and it's... To see them progress to something they're working hard on. I mean, it's the ultimate,

it's like what I felt when I was at the high of my high. Yeah. How old is your daughter? She's only eight. Yeah. She's eight, turn nine. Get her personal trainer. So we got one.

That's what I got for asking. She was about five, she hated it. Dad, I'm not going to go work out for two hours every day. Yes, you are. Look at her. And now she's the champ. Yeah. no that's because that's awesome i love that uh she was so cool and she was so personable and

her story and the match we went over was just amazing which match was it we went over the one with becky yeah michy lynch yeah the uh wrestlingania yeah when they were the the headliners of russomania yeah or the three-way event yeah the three-way match yeah the first time any woman or any women headline headlined wrestling that which is you know Yeah, you know what the funny thing is? They went in the ring at 12.30 at night. Jeez. It's a long day, boy.

Down to, when you were getting, did you have any late matches? What was the latest you would get in? Oh, my God. In Ottawa one night, they argued all night long with wrestling Rick Martel. And the NWA rules

were either I wrestle an hour or I go over. and so it wasn't Martel it was a promotion they didn't want me to beat Rick so we went in the ring at 12 o'clock and wrestled for an hour

geez 12 o'clock now I used to hate night games because you anticipate the whole time all day you're running through your mat how was especially you guys probably ripping it too before were you ripping before or ripping after

uh me drinking before I never drank forever no but afterwards a lot. Yeah. You had to be dialed. Maybe I was up at eight doing free squats

and then bed at six to get up for an eight o'clock flight. Jeez. And you do that for a long time. Yeah, my whole life. I'm still doing it. Let's go. And they had to call me five times and wake me up to come the day.

Kaylee, was it texting 10 times. Let's go. Rick, you're late. The car's coming. Let's go. Hey, Rick Flair could be late. No. He's Rick fucking Flair.

Now, are any current wrestlers you watch right now that you wish you could have had a match with? I wish I could have wrestled Roman. Roman? Yeah, I like Roder. He really like Roman a lot. You know, he was captain of Georgia Tech. Yeah. Yeah.

And the tech is playing great now. I mean, this NIL makes anyone great. Yeah, yeah. It's college footballs. I don't understand it yet. Yeah, either do I. It's basically. How can you pay?

pay a quarterback, an 18 year old kid, $12 million, like the kid at Michigan, the quarterback. I know. It's, it's, I'm happy that the guys are getting paid because I mean, I was, I played college. Yeah. And it was, it was a struggle. But it's just, you got to see what the social study is going to be for the next eight years to determine. Well, I always worry about the parents just saying, take the money because they're supporting their family and all and then pretty soon the money's gone if they can just stay mentally tough and realize that if they worry about their real second contract in the national football league yeah every single one of those guys could be a half billionaire yep exactly they're going after the little nut yep you know what i mean they're going after the little

nut yeah if if they could just have the the discipline which is very hard as rick said because you got fucking parents now thinking they're agents. You got selling the kids off. You got to keep the main thing, the main thing. Yeah, it drove me crazy. Lamar Jackson's mother is his agent. It worked out more, though. Yeah, it worked out for them.

But it still was just like... It's tough. They don't know what they're doing. They don't know how to negotiate like that. I mean, you don't just wake up and become an agent. But as long as he's happy, but while they're struggling now, John and Jim are really good friends of mine. Yeah.

And he was at this match, Jim Harbaugh. Oh, in the front row. Yeah. That's for the first time I met him. Yeah. So you're close with them? Real close to Jim, yeah. How did that happen?

Well, when Jim was at Michigan, he invited me up. They had a deal where the year that they were, what's the kid's name, Rashon Gary, the defensive tackle for the Packers? Or Sean Gary. Rishon Gary, yeah. So he was like the heaviest recruited guy in the country. And Jim had me come up there. They had a deal with.

It was me and Tom. Tom was there. Derek Jeter, just a bunch of high-profile athletes. I don't know. I figured into it. But, and they knew that I didn't like Ohio State. Sorry, Kay Lee. So I went up there and talk, and it was fabulous.

And that's that's. literally the first time i met tom yeah and i never knew i didn't want to walk up to him and go hey i don't he actually came over to me and said i i'm because he's from california right i didn't know if even saw me wrestle there's right there yeah that's the first time i met him you don't think he ever saw you wrestle well i didn't know i'm not gonna walk my wife was going goes this goes south tom brash i don't do that you don't walk up to people and go hey ah You know, probably not the smartest thing sometimes, but I just don't. I get it.

I get it. But, you know, he came up to you. Yeah. And I had to be. I said, I'm a big fan. Tom Brady. Thank you. Of course, my wife is going, where's just hell?

Where's just all? No, we're. No. He's on. Hey, I'll tell you what's great. And you were great on it, too. roast. Oh,

the roast. The roast was phenomenal. That was the greatest thing I've ever seen. That was, you know what?

That was, that was a fun, fun. You were right, you were, or you were all over it. It was, it was a little

nerve-wracking because the climate of comedy. Yeah. I felt like that roast kind of brought comedy back. Not necessarily that one,

but it was the first time you heard a gay joke in a while, a black-eye joke in a while. Yeah. You know what I mean? And it all started with Kevin.

Hart who's kicked it off and he threw a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu instructor right away. So I was sitting there like, oh, thank God that was a good teammate because he took the heat off everyone else. Lee Blocker. What's the girl that, uh, the, Nicky Glazer. Oh my God, great. She was

unbelievable. She said he used to have eight rings or something like that, but gave away one or something. It was a fun. Is she a nice person? she's awesome yeah she's been on the show she's she is I'm dying to meet her she's a big chiefs fan too oh yeah she loves the chiefs I think she just loves Taylor Swift yeah that loves

the chiefs but can you imagine a wrestling roast oh god I know I wouldn't want to be any other who would be a good roaster oh and our business a guy named Jim cornett remember him oh yeah he'd be tremendous that I mean you guys would all be great. It's like the promo videos. All the guys are going. I mean, you know we lost Hogan, right? Yeah, well, I do. Yeah, now Jerry Loller, remember Jerry?

I don't remember Jerry. Jerry the King Lawler? Jerry, oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was an announcer with Jim Ross. Yes, yes, yes, he just had a second stroke. He's in a wheelchair. Yeah. Right arm can't move anything. Literally, sometimes I just at night, I think to myself, God,

how am I still here, right? because all these guys are dropping like flies, man. Yeah, it's, it's tough. Yeah. It's tough because we all grew up everyone, all of them in our lives. Now, who's this? Vern Gagne.

Vern Gagne. Yeah, tough as hell. Talk about the training, because I remember you, I saw something where he made you guys do this training, and you said it was the hardest training ever. Oh, my God. Well, first of all,

Ken Patero is what, And I knew Vern, right, but Ken Batera was training for the 72 Olympics. And Ken and I lived together. And when Gagne said to me, I knew his son real well and said, you want to come to the training camp too? And I said, yeah, shit. But I was 300 pounds. I could total 16, 40 in the power lives.

So I was training with Ken, I just got, you know, big. So I'm thinking, yeah, I'm thinking of Dick the Brew. they're in the crusher. The first day out there, we trained at his farm out, and why is that? Two mile run, two mile run in the cornfield, right?

500 free squats, 250 push-ups, 250 crunches. How long you think it took me? 12 hours? Huh? 12 hours? Seven?

Yeah. I mean, that's what? You were 300, you're 300 pounds. I hadn't run a mile because I was a freshman in college. Seven hours, I quit. When did it become easy?

Did it ever become easy? Did you keep on doing it? It took me three months. I quit twice. But Vern came over and got me. Literally, like it says, 30 for 30.

He literally slapped me across the face to throw me out in the front yard. He said, you've quit everything you've ever done in life. You can quit me. Okay. It was brutal. Now,

now was that, I mean, that was probably huge. The thing about this, you know, you know, you wheelbarrow, right?

Yeah. Up 22 flights of stairs. Are you kidding? Hold the guy's legs and you got to crawl like this? Shoulders. Then you carry him down. Oh my God.

That's like some Navy SEAL shit. Yeah. You would not imagine. Remember Brian O'field, the shot putter? Yeah. It's a little before. I wasn't a shock pudding guy,

but. No, but you know the name, right? Yeah. Like, he, he lasted one hour. Gee. He walked out of there and said, screw this.

Now, you know, it's... So many pro football players have tried to come in. In the old days. Yeah. Otis that struck him for the guy from the Raiders. Yeah. He lasted an hour. Who was the guy in the Steelers that was shooting the gun?

Played with me and Joe Green in that. Shooting the gun on the Steelers. Oh, I can't remember. Anyway, he came. He last. of the day so um and where was it at at his farm and where his farm and why is that in Minnesota Minnesota yeah so what time of year is this you said it was cold it was uh well the Olympics were over in September we trained October November December then I had my first

match uh in January of 73 and and nobody told us what to do no one told you what to do I said what do we do? He said, go out there and do what I taught you? I said, what was that happening? So. You were in hell of good shape, though. You were in some shape. Yeah.

That's never been the issue for me. It's just toning it down. I never knew when to go to bed. Yeah. I get it. You played football at Minnesota for a minute, right? Well, I was freshman weren't eligible, but I played, yeah, yeah. How was that?

I would have started my sophomore year, but they put me in summer school. I lasted two days and got in my car. There was no cell phones or anything. Back then, drove Chicago to see my friend at the Wirt's family. They're on the Blackhawks and the Bulls and all that. They did own the Bulls,

and before they sold them, the Jerry Rinesorf. But my parents thought I was in school. They had no idea where I was. so I kind of like went into my own life when they when they put me in boarding school yeah 15 you just street smart hitchhiked to Miami three times that was an exciting when 15 years old hitchhiking down the road now what do you say to someone when you're hitchhiking like how do you wave them down give me the pitch if I'm driving down the car 15 year old but you have to remember all this is in the 60s right regardless you got to

I've never even heard of this. I'm like this. And so they stop and they figure up, yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. Four girls from Michigan State picked me up. And I went all into Miami with them. Wow.

That's like the movie Dumb and Dumber. The bus comes by. Hawaiian Tropics girls. Oh my God. Yeah, Ron Rice. Me and Ronnie, I've had fun with him. Now, who are some of your wrestling heroes was when you meet Vern, you start training.

Who are some of the guys you idolize that you wanted to form your style off of? No, I idolize Dusty Road. Yeah, I idolize Dusty Road. Vern said to me, why do you like him? He can't work. I said, I just, I think he's the greatest.

You know, he was so charismatic. God. The dream was one of one kind. Hard times. Put me through hard times, Rick Flair. put me through hard times who is the who is the best wrestler to go out with to party with

yeah um which decade let's start 80s the 80s um Arne Anderson I had a ball Arn and then I've had so much fun with the Undertaker I lost two Rolex watches with their Undertaker I love the Undertaker he's the best

he can drink Jack Daniel man oh jesus does paul bear go out too no paul bear was real calm yeah but taker and i would tear europe apart my god we used to go on his european tours where they let us stay overnight in each town for what that was rough what was the best town um in europe um i'd have to say the towns in germany were the best yeah england was good too uh Manchester London um um I wasn't too crazy about Italy. Spain was okay. But the best trip is, so Vince calls me and says,

you and Taker are going to go wrestle in Japan. And then from there you go to London, right, for sub-aid. And then Tadayor and I take off and go to Japan. He wrestles Kurt Angle. I wrestle. I can't remember where it wrestles. then we fly to London right and then we flew home

and we got so screwed up so we apparently landed in Chicago right and he put my arms the cleanup crew woke me up

he said Mr. Flory you have to get off the plane and I said where are we and he just he left me with my hands over like He put you in the casket. Yeah.

He put you in the casket. Yeah. Yeah, he and I've had some good times. The Undertaker. Now, you were the driver for Andre the Giant? Yeah. I drove Andre for a year when he was Jean-Ferre. Yeah.

Yeah. Now, I took him in Chicago and all that. He was, and I'd take him to see all the bars. It was tremendous. Now, what would you drive him in? And he sat in the backseat of my car. Big guy? Oh, well, he wasn't as heavy.

Then when he first started, he was like, when I first met him, he was like four, probably four 20, 4.30. But then, you know, he eventually got to 560. Jesus. Yeah. Like a drink, boy. Yeah.

So you've never seen anybody like that in your life. I've heard 100, I've heard 100. 106 beers. I saw him do it. Is he the best drinker of all time? Unbelievable. He drank a goddamn 7. 47 out of every bottle of vodka in the plane.

I mean, other people are getting served, too, but boss, more vodka. You don't have any more. He called it. Bring me something else. Was he even getting drunk, or is it just? No. Can you kidding me? You talk about a guy that had no privacy in life, you know.

They can say about Michael Jordan or Mohammed Ali or Tiger, but Andre just, you couldn't miss him walking to the airport. And boy, if he saw you walking through the airport, he boss, even before match, you'd say, come drink, one hour before the plane leaves. I go, I don't want to real drink. You just agree. Yeah, you sure did.

Now, what are you guys talking about in the car? girls yeah nothing changed nothing change no always our favorite subject or or we were knocking our opponents a or b the opponents got to get them down yeah oh my gosh you would have loved him i could only imagine because he's like a big old lineman yeah the old redskins made him a deal i don't know what fell through with that but what kind of deal is this they were they wanted them play detackle yeah wow how do you think onto the giant would have been as a detackle at 425 horrifying at 560 he could hardly move his back was so bad yeah but that was later in life but at 425 Jesus the guy could drop kick and everything he so he was pretty athletic too very athletic he was the soccer player yeah

head to toe take us through a Rick Flair outfit back in the day head to toe and I know you don't wear you you never wore the same outfit twice never I saw that in all of your 300 300 pairs of alligator shoes from Bruce Friedman you ever heard Friedman oh yeah yeah everybody know yeah they're expensive 300 pair why why the alligator I don't know I just I just like jewelry and clothing and I met Bruce

and I still bought I just bought some stuff from Bruce they have to be multi-millionaires have ever seen in their store? No. It's just three stories on Mitchell Street in Atlanta

of shoes. Yeah. And because of all the athletes were shop there, right? Yeah. The oversized stuff and all that. So you have just thousands. Yeah.

What's the most lavish purchase you ever made? Most lab of clothing? Of anything. Probably. Probably the most, I bought an AMG S-63 where they only made 160 of them. Oh, wow. Then I paid $200 grand for that.

It'll go, it's got a thousand horse power. It'll run. Jeez, those things like that. I drive it on Alligator Alley at 200 miles an hour. Yeah, there's no cops, it's never, there's not even a chance to get to go out there. And portions will pull up with me and all. I mean, it's kind of like, it's not like it's pretty term, but you know you're going to run into a car that wants to run.

Are you a car guy? I love cars, but I don't, like, I'm not like queer form like I used to be. Yeah. Well, are you, what was your, are you like the international cars or the old school muscle cars? No, no, I just like the Mercedes. Mercedes. Yeah. High luxury, baby.

Then I had a bunch of corvettes when I was younger, but nothing like that car I have now. It's four-wheel drive, a thousand horsepower. Those things move. New technology is insane right now. Yeah. I put a chip on it. It'll go. Rick Flair's putting chips on the car?

Yeah. Make you go a little extra horses out of it? Yeah. You got to get maximum. One more chip to go, $28,000, but it'll be $1,200 horsepower. Jesus. We'll be right back after this quick break. At 19, Elena Sada believed she had found her calling.

In the new season of Sacred Scandal, we pulled back the curtain on a life built on devotion and deception. A man of God, Marcial Massiel, looked Elena in the eye and promised her a life of purpose within the Legion of Christ. My name is Elena Sada, and this is my story. It's a story of how I learned to hide, to cry, to survive, and eventually how I got out. This season on Sacred Scandal, hear the full story from the story. woman who lived it. Witness the journey from devout follower to determined survivor as Elena exposes the man behind the cloth and the system that protected him. Even the darkest secrets eventually find their way to the light. Listen to Secret Scandal, the mini secrets of Marcial

Massiel as part of the My Cultura podcast network on the IHeard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get her podcasts. Malcolm Gladwell here. This season on Revisionous History, we're going back to the spring of 1988 to a town in northwest Alabama, where a man committed a crime that would spiral out of control. Thirty-five years. That's how long Elizabeth's and its family waited for justice to occur. Thirty-five long years. I want to figure out why this case went on for as long as it did, why it took so many bizarre and unsettling turns along the way, and why, despite our best efforts to resolve suffering, we all too often make suffering worse. He would say to himself,

turn to the right, to the victim's family, and apologize, turn to the left, tell my family I love him. So he would have this little practice, to the right, I'm sorry, to the left, I love you. From Revisionous History, this is The Alabama Murders. Listen to Revisionous History, The Alabama Murders on the IHeart Radio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In early 1988, Federal agents raced to track down the gang they suspect of importing millions of dollars worth of heroin into New York from Asia. We had 30 agents ready to go with shotguns and rifles and you name it. But what they find is not what they expected. Basically, your stay-at-home moms were picking up these large amounts of heroin. They go, is this your daughter? I said yes. They go, oh, you may not see her for like 25 years.

Caught between a federal investigation and the violent gang who recruited them, the women must decide who they're willing to protect and who they dare to betray. Once I saw the gun, I tried to take his hand and I saw the flash of light. Listen to the Chinatown Stang on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or anywhere you get your podcasts. The rich Russians falling out of Windows podcast is back. Sad oligarch season two. Since we left you in 2023 after season one, many politically motivated Russian millionaires

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And you're still ripping 200. Yeah. How about my four-minute plank yesterday? Let's go. Can you do a four-minute plank? Four-minute planks are tough. You didn't see it? Huh?

You didn't see my plank yesterday? I didn't see it. Let me see it. I want to watch all four minutes of it. How long do you think you could do a plank right now? I don't know. You just had surgery, to be fair. I just had my...

You hurt your back, right? In the plane crash? Well, I brought my back in three places. I had my disc. replaced with this new technology I was always going to talk to you about that off camera it's insane I need to show them out let me see this

four minute plank look it let's go that's insane yeah that's four minute plank where do you start feel the most what injury comes up that you think of

I don't it's funny is there I am with all those years of taking all those bumps. Yeah. I don't hurt anywhere. You don't? I'm not, this arm, because I've torn them or twice here, once here, this arm is fine with this one. I can't bend it back, but it doesn't hurt.

Yeah. That's the key. No pain. No knees, no hips, nothing. It's a miracle. So I retired four years ago, and I was feeling crazy pain in my shoulder for like the last five years. Yeah.

And all of a sudden, I go to see a. specialist. I'm like, is this because I had my shoulder redone? They're like, nah, this isn't your shoulder. It's your neck. I had a freaking herniated disc from hitting. And my joint space in my C7, C6 was collapsed. Yeah. And my left arm turned off. Wow. Because it was sitting on the nerve. Yeah. So they go in and they replaced my disc. And they gave me a half inch back because of the disc space. And I'm like pain free. It's insane. Like I'm six. We're six. out right now. Oh, that's great. Well, I had a C5 and six in my neck of my neck, but there was no surgery for it back then, but you're talking about painful. God. Wow, neck pain is horrible.

Anything to do with the spine is the worst. Yeah. Because it's, it's related to everything. Yeah. Your hamstrings, your freaking, your whole posterior chain. Yeah. It's, I watch you guys. It's so crazy. The pounding you guys put in and, and just to hear. that how you guys went so hard after the matches. Like, how did your body, like, withstand that? It's crazy to me. You know, I tell people this all the time, they don't realize it,

because they talk about that one year of 83, but from 83, 84, and 85, I had 17 days off in three years. Jeez. And an hour, every night, an hour, not 15 minutes dicking around. Yeah. Like now.

No, it's crazy. It's impressive. 11,000 mile a week one time. Sydney to Auckland, Auckland to St. Louis, St. Louis to Atlanta, back of Tokyo, all in one week. Jesus Christ. But you know what? You're the reason you and your comrades that you guys were doing, you know, the reason why that fucking WWE is what it is today? Yeah, but they don't see it like that.

I know. How do we not have a union? Yeah, that's crazy. A multi-billion dollar company, right? Yeah. No union. Well, it would take the wrestlers you have to unify. Yeah.

But it's hard because you. Nobody wants to do it because they just can move on without you. They wanted me and Hogan to do it. Then I'll call me. I said, I'm not jumping out there because they'll just replace me. And that's why our union. as the NFL is so weak. Yeah.

We have a weak union because just like your highest paid stars aren't going to say, hey, they'll replace me. Yeah. They're not going to fight for the guys that are not and scratching at the bottom. Yeah. Which is very similar to like when you're talking about policy with guys in the NFL locker. You got, you know, 10% of the locker rooms making crazy money, 15%. Then you got a middle class. And then you got guys that are not going to make the team.

Yeah. And there's a lot of those guys. Yeah. But they're all voting. Yeah. So it's tough to get alliance with our union. Yeah. And it probably sounds very similar to why you guys don't even have a union.

Yeah. Well, do you think it's tough because you can write someone out? So if someone, like, puts their neck out too far, they can write out Hulk Hogan from the stories where it's like you could never write out Tom Brady from being in the NFL because he's just so good. Like, do you think that component maybe plays into why it's so hard to unionize? no union i don't know i just didn't want to be uh jesse venturo drove me crazy come on come on i go jessie you know what so i give up the n-of-a world championship

walk out to others put the belt on deviousy or back to harley or somebody you know so who knows i don't know it just wasn't something i wanted to explore but i certainly was asked to do it a lot Yeah. You hope that they figure things out because, I mean, it is such a big business now. Well, they, first of all, WW takes care of anything if it happens in the business. Yeah. But if you get hurt on the outside, that you're, well, car wreck or something. They're very sensitive to taking care of people.

Yeah. They won't do you guys. And somebody gave me an explanation of why, but I can't remember what it is. Yeah. Well, you're also starting to see the wrestling superstars get more access to their personas, too, like outside of the ring. Like, with social media, it feels like when your daughter came, she was Ashley, she wasn't Charlotte. And having that, like, differentiation seems like it's pretty new that the wrestling's exploring. Yeah, but, like, Ashley, here's the, there's only two people that own their intellectual property in the history of WWE, me and the rock.

Wow. Hogan owned his, but, you know, now he's a terrible man. was his family fighting over his money. So how did you get ownership of your persona? Because I sued him. Yeah. Well, because when I was dying, when I was dying, I was on life support for 14 days,

everybody cashed in. My agent stole $150,000 because if I'm dead, then it goes to court, right? Whatever my will was at that time. estate planning is very important by the way but everybody would cashed in because I thought I was going to die and then when I lived

you know then I find out what's going I read the letters WWV was writing me letters wanted me to sign it when I was signing my intellectual property back to him so I didn't assume I just said I'm going public with this giving me my shit back

but like Undertaker he stood down it's Mark Callaway six feet under he can't even get his and it pisses him off Steve that's why Steve Austin's so mad he they will never give up stone cold Austin 316 those shirts man yeah even still now it still sell yeah still sell and for more than what they were back when he was wrestling too yeah do you know Steve had the equipment he was 39 years old when he broke his neck wow yeah you imagine if he'd been able to wrestle so he was 50 or I love Stone Cold. That was like

that was the generation that's how when I was a kid with Stone Cold I used to have your wrestling pillow you and Hulk holkester because I have a brother that's seven years older than me

and that was you guys were his generation and I grew up in like the punk stage because I was like that was my age and it's just it's freaking I mean the all Steve wants to do was hunting and fishing yeah

He just built a ranch about 40 miles out of Tahoe. He moved out of L.A. I think he kept his place here, but I think he moved there full time. Yeah. But he won't have anything to do with it. He basically, Steve basically is the one that took him public. You know what I mean? I mean, he made a lot of money, but not nearly enough.

And then what, not giving him his trademark. So it's, who knows? Yeah, the business part. It's really hard to get your natural property. Yeah, it's, well, you know, in the NFL, we don't, we don't own any of ours, really. You own your name, but like anything associated with the league, you know, they get, they get the money and we get a piece of it. Yeah, I don't know it for your jersey sale, which that's the, that's the good thing about having a union because you do get something of it. Yeah.

And you are making your name because of the platform. of it so I understand both sides but yeah but I mean I was telling her yesterday talking about you and you know any other wide receiver it takes huge to me tell me what it feels like to run across the middle not known what it's like you know it's who each of the hardest Cam Chancellor knocked me pretty hard Brian Dawkins knocked me out pretty yeah I saw a floater the kid from the Phil Eagles he was but he was with Denver at that time yeah Ed Reed lit me up one time.

Ray Lewis knocked me out of a game once. He hit me so hard in my butt once. He, like, kneed me to the ground that I had my ass. I had a hematoma internal bleeding in my butt, and my ass got like I had J-Lo ass for like two weeks. It was bad. But you know what? Going across the middle, it's changed in the middle of my career.

It used to be a lot harder because they could have. hit you a lot harder. Yeah. You know, like probably the last six years of my career, guys weren't going for the big hit as much. They were going for the interception because that's how they get paid. They don't get paid by big hits. They get paid by numbers of getting interceptions.

Yeah, but one big hit can change you guys. But they're also getting penalties. Yeah. And they're getting fine for it now. Yeah. So it changed. Yeah. Early in my career, it was, you know, it was a no-fly zone.

Yeah. And the one thing that I always would say, is that you have a quarterback clock in your head or like at least I did like if you're going into a certain part of the field with a certain coverage you can have an idea if there's going to be a guy hitting you so you can kind of brace for it I mean you can't control it but you can brace your body for it which that's a lot of the times I would do now if you're if you fuck up and you run a man type route zone where a guy is waiting for you and you continue on the run and you get blown up that's your

fault yeah it is your fault really that's my fault because i i should have because of that zone i should have stopped there's like so many little intricacies yeah so you can avoid getting blown up to the best of your ability but it is football there's going to be something to happen oh yeah i can't imagine what was like getting hit by jack tatum tatum i mean ray lewis was he was a monster out there he was scary because he was bigger, faster, stronger than everyone, and he also knew the playbook. Yeah. The guys that were in tuned with

conceptually what the offense was doing. They could use him right now. Yeah, they... I know Ray Rural. They need, they got the D. Lyman that's banged up, which is... Their nose tackle. Yeah, their nose tackle. Yeah. I mean, they're getting ran through right now because of it. Which is so weird because I remember vividly, when

we play against the Baltimore Ravens, we'd have a great run attack going into the game, and we would throw it all out and say we have to pass to beat this team. Yeah. Because you can't run the ball against them. Yeah. And, you know, I think they'll get back to it. It's the first quarter of the season. It's early. And they're well-coached team. They'll get guys back. Oh, John's a great guy. Yeah. John, they're a tough team. It's just with these Ravens, you got, you want to see them play better football in like the high pressured situation. Lamar's out for three weeks. I know,

the hammy. Yeah. You don't like seeing a hammy on a fast guy. because those things nag He's an incredible athlete He is Who's some of your favorite Football players to watch these days Oh my favorite Huge Aaron Rogers fan

Yeah And he's playing pretty good He's playing real good Yeah he's still got an arm Nobody gets it He's got a cannon for an arm He does Even at his size

He can throw the ball a mile He's honestly Sneaky big Yeah If you see Aaron Rogers in person Yeah, I know. Like, he's got, if you shake his hands, he's got big ass hands. Yeah.

And he's got long arms and he's like very leverage strong and he uses his body super. I mean, he's one of the greatest throws of all time. Oh, I think so too. Him and Dan Marino? Dan? Yeah. I know Dan, yeah. But I think Dan Marino's in that same category.

Those guys just arm-wise, they could put the ball anywhere they want. Yeah. What's it like hanging out with Dan Marino? Actually, just a regular guy. I've done some golf tournaments with him and that and drank. He likes to drink. Who doesn't, right? The guys that are fun to hang out with it are tougher in hell

than hockey players. Oh, my God. And they can drink. Oh, God. Pints of beers. I used to be best friends with Bob Probert. Oh, hell, yeah. Yeah, of course.

You talk about a badass, brother. Bob is, he was psycho man. he he'd walk into a bar man and he he had hands like cement blocks brother yeah he was as tough in the street as he wasn't on the ice and he was a killer on the ice ever watch a documentary yeah tough guy yeah isn't that phenomenal those guys those guys those guys are different breeds yeah the hockey guys yeah I because I used to hang out with a lot of the Bruins yeah when they were winning their championships and the 13 and stuff with tuka and Sagan and Looch.

Those guys are fucking crazy. They'll drink three pints of beer and be on the ice at fucking 11 o'clock the next day and like nothing happened. Yeah, and I know. Bob Probert, I mean, Bob is like, we brought him on a wrestling one time. And you remember a guy named Tank Abbott?

Tank Abbott, yeah. The UFC guy? Yeah. So the deal was with, there's Bobby right there. You talk about a tough son, bitch, man. He whipping anybody's ass. And they're not scared of getting their ass beat. That's a thing, you know what I mean?

He was tougher in the street than him was. So Tank, he goes, he said, what, what, what should I do? I said, just walk over and ask Tank what he wants to do. So he goes over and Tank says, I'll get back to you and turn around. and Bob tapped up on the shoulder and said I asked you a question and take

and uh and tank episode to him I told you I'll get back to you he said there's no getting back to me what are we going to do fat boy he said to him

yeah he said if you don't discuss with me right now I'll beat the fuck out of you right here and you don't fucking dress you don't we won't even do it out there boy the whole dresser

one like this like right tank ab but scared the death of him wow bob had those eyes man when when he was when those eyes lit up he's a tall guy yeah six four two 30 that's aura yeah when you got a a tall like crazy looking dude yeah he's not like but he's he looks like he could do some fucking damage he could snorted three grams of cocaine and drink 20 jacks and he's still standing It took 14 cops. He was bodyguarding it at the end of his career, right? $25,000 a day. And he was in a Miami guard, a bodyguard.

Somebody in a club. It took 14 cops to get him out of there. But he'd be back up to the wallace and come and get me. It's funny. Bobby Provert. Bill different. Any other hockey guys you're hanging with? I hang on Pat Maroon now.

Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah. That's fun. And when his wife left. to them and go out with her. She doesn't like me hanging around them. Can't imagine why.

Who else do I hang out with hockey wise? Oh, I hang out with Brett Holland so well. Brett's fun, man. He's a wild man. Now, you've met all these athletes. Oh, Ty Domey, hang out with Ty. I want Ty's everywhere. I see Ty everywhere.

Yeah, he just FaceTime yesterday. Yeah. Oh, wow. Now, you've hung out with so many celebrities, athlete, whatever it is. What was like the first I made it moment when you were early in your career after someone you met or what was your first

like I've really I've put in this work to become Rick Flair I'm fucking I'm Rick Flair now. What was that I made it moment? I think after I won the title for the second time, Flair for the Gold Starcade when I'd be good.

First time I won the title I thought I was ready to wrestle. God, he didn't take off when you're wrestling guys that have no idea. All I'd been around was guys that could work. Now, you're traveling around the country wrestling guys that can't win, and then go in for an hour. So I wasn't prepared.

I didn't. But by the time I got around the number two, I was ready to go. But, I mean, some of the cooler things, I idolized Joe Namath. So I used to hang around with Joe a little bit and Jim Kelly. Is that where the jackets and like the, is that where the robes came from? kind of? No, not really. I met him in a gym in Chicago

and just, but I mean, I idolized him growing up. Bats were three. I mean, making the prediction. You think he got late on snow? Yeah. I mean, he was on Playgirl. This guy was on every goddamn, my grandma used to love Joe name. My grandma. I love him,

man. I was supposed to go to a golf tournament with him there today. I just talked him on the phone, but but he was the man. Joe, Broadway Joe. Yeah, Broadway Joe. We had that Pantyhost commercial, too. Remember that?

Yeah, that's so funny. Like, my dad used to love, everyone loved Broadway Joe. Yeah, who did? They just thought he was fucking cool. Yeah. He was way ahead of his time. When I read that he pounded 300 girls of senior in college, yuck.

That's the numbers game, baby. We all like, numbers. We all like numbers. We all like numbers. That's why I've been married four times. Hey, maybe it's the next one, Rick. Maybe it's the next one. That's my favorite. It's the journey not the destination. It's kind of like Tom and Super Bowl rings. What's your favorite one? The next one. The Tampa one can be first, but anybody else could be allowed. Other people could be next. That's my motto. I love it. I love it. We'll be right back after this quick break. At 19, Elena Sada believed she had found her calling.

In the new season of Sacred Scandal, we pulled back the curtain on a life built on devotion and deception. A man of God, Marcial Massiel, looked Elena in the eye and promised her a life of purpose within the Legion of Christ. My name is Elena Sada, and this is my story. It's a story of how I learned to hide, to cry, to survive, and eventually how I got out. This season on Sacred Scandal hear the full story from the woman who lived it. Witness the journey from devout follower to determine survivor

as Elena exposes the man behind the cloth and the system that protected him. Even the darkest secrets eventually find their way to the light. Listen to Secret Scandal, the mini secrets of Marcial Masiel as part of the MyCultura podcast network on the IHeard Radio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get her podcasts. Malcolm Gladwell here. This season on Revisionous History, we're going back to the spring of 1988 to a town in northwest Alabama, where a man committed a crime that would spiral out of control. 35 years. That's how long Elizabeth's and its family waited for justice to occur. 35 long years. I want to figure out why this case went on for as long as it did,

why it took so many bizarre and unsettling turns along the way and why, despite our best efforts to resolve suffering, we all too often make suffering worse. He would say to himself, turn to the right, to the victim's family, and apologize, turn to the left, tell my family I love him. So he would have this little practice, to the right, I'm sorry, to the left, I love you. From Revisionous History, this is The Alabama Murders. Listen to Revision's History, The Alabama Murders on the IHeart Radio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In early 1988, federal agents race to track down the gang they suspect of importing millions of dollars worth of heroin into New York from Asia. We had 30 agents ready to go with shotguns and rifles and you name it. But what they find is not what they expected. Basically, your stay-at-home moms were picking up these large amounts of heroin. They go, is this your daughter? I said yes. They go, oh, you may not see her for like 25 years. Caught between a federal investigation and the violent gang who recruited them,

the women must decide who they're willing to protect and who they dare to betray. Once I saw the gun, I tried to take his hand, and I saw the flash of light. Listen to the Chinatown Sting on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or anywhere you get your podcasts. The rich Russians falling out of Windows podcast is back. Sad oligarch season two. Since we left you in 2023 after season one, many politically motivated Russia millionaires

have continued to die in suspicious circumstances. We dig deeper into these odd deaths, which include everything from mushroom poisoning and mysterious heart attacks, to window clumsiness and suicide by decapitation. One thing we have found since we started back in 2022 is the information on the suspicious deaths has become much harder to find.

Not just that, it seems as if state-controlled media in Russia is being utilised to purposely confuse and contradict the reporting that gets put out. As you can probably imagine, season two gets very weird. Listen to Sad Oligarch on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. When I smoke weed, I get lost in the music. I like to isolate each instrument. The rhythmic bass, the harmonies on the piano, the sticky melody.

Hey, hey, hey, hey, careful, babe. There's someone crossing the street. Sorry, I didn't see them there. if you feel different you drive different don't drive high it's dangerous and illegal everywhere a message from nitsa and the ad council this is a segment we go back in time to where this match took place and we go over the pop culture this this match took around uh took place around february 20th nineteen eighty nine here are some things that were popping off the burbs was the number one movie the number one song was straight up by paula abdul straight up now tell me you won't? Yeah, I remember that one.

Twins, Rain Man, Bill and Ted's Adventure. We're all popping off in the box office. The 100th episode of Miami Vice, which I think they're making a remake. I think they are. I think they're making a remake. With Don Johnson? No. They're bringing in new guys. Okay. They're bringing in new. Are you a big Miami Vice guy? Oh, I loved it. I think John Johnson's a phenomenal.

You ever get to see him out about? No. No. No real part. I've met him, I never partied with them. Niners were the Super Bowl champions. That was my team growing up. Boomer Asycin was the MVP. Notre Dame, Natty champions. Barry Sanders wins the Heisman.

Jesus, Barry Sanders was outrageous. Unreal. He was one of my favorite players as a kid. Really low-key, too. Low-key. I mean, that explains everything about him. He retired five years early, six years early. Jerry Jones is still offering him a contract.

Yeah, you know what's funny? It's like Jim Brown. I still got to say he's the greatest of all time. Yeah. Jimmy Brown. I mean, seven years, 12,000 yards or something like that. I mean, and brother, and he was six foot three, 235 pounds. He reminds me, like, when I saw Derek Henry run over the Buffalo Bills on national TV,

did you see a few weeks ago, Derek Henry from the Ravens? No. I've just watched him. one of the last three games. Yeah. Before that, I mean, he was tossing guys around.

And I was like, that's what Jim Brown used to look like on the field. Jim Brown was insane. I got to meet him at the Hall of Fame. Yeah. He wanted to, he wanted to box Ali.

You know, he was a really good athlete, Tim Brown. Lacrosse player. He was like, track star. Yeah. He was everything.

At Syracuse, yeah. Kareem Abdul, Jabar, becomes the first NBA player to score 38,000. points my dad always

talks about the sky hook I know I'm due I know Kareem rather yeah how's he

cool deal nice yeah I mean I don't never hung around him but yeah I'll tell you

what was really cool is I met Will Chamber in Hawaii in 1973 and boy that was

talk about a cool dude man talk about a numbers guy yeah well Will's had it all, man. I mean, I walked in in this bar

in Honolulu, and there it was. Tricked out. He was over there playing beach volleyball. You're talking about an athlete. You know, he could bench press 400 pounds. Still? He ran in his prime. Wow.

I didn't know that. He threw the shop, put 58 feet. Wow. He's a track and field star in Kansas. Yeah. You look at it. So I tell Stephen A. Smith, and I said, you get up, buddy.

He said, no. Got to give it to Bill Russell. He go, Bill Russell was a half-day athlete that Will Chairman was. Will. No, shit, he didn't really want to do. He wanted to lead the league and assist? He wanted to lead the league and rebounds. I mean, what more could a guy do?

Well, the still, you got to beat the Celtics, though. Yeah, no, I know. You got to beat the Celtics. I don't, he struggled with that. Yeah. He struggled with that. He struggled with Russell. Yeah.

I know. What was Rick Flair like in 1980s? Out of his mind. Out of his mind. I didn't go to bed tonight for that match in Chicago. Who goes to bed, right? Yeah. What were you doing?

What was going on? Rush Street. When it was fun. So 89 was a fun year. Yeah, I was running around with what's his name is a sister. It's a hockey player's name. Chellios is sister. Chris Chilios?

He's a barter. Chellios is a beauty. Yeah, she's beautiful. He's his sister. Wow. Don't tell him I said that. I will. Chris, never mind.

Apologize. I said running around. He was drinking. Yeah. I mean, he got you. Yeah. He got him. I heard a story that Chellios was a legend

of going out the night before and then being at the arena the next morning at like 4 a.m. riding a stationary bike in the sauna to sweat it all out. You know what you know what that was too? That was Dennis Rodman. Yeah. Dennis and Rodman rode that goddamn stationary bike for an hour after each game.

Did you talk about wild? Now, this is fun to be out with, man. Did you go out with Robin? Oh, me and Robin are best friends. I just saw him at Hogg's funeral. Dennis is God of his fucking mind. Who would cheat on Madonna? What did I said to him?

How did you cheat on Madonna? You know, he talks funny. And he's obsessed with what's her name? Carmelarcha. Yeah, Carmen Leisure. She still has a Australian order. Hey, man. The one that got away.

Yeah. The one that got away. Yeah, but who cheats on Madonna? I go, you got $800 million. Take one for the team, man. Just relax. Hey, got to get those numbers up. Yeah.

Now, you said you were friends with L.T. This is when L.T. was popping on. Yeah. How L.T. was a fun guy to... Oh, my God. L.T.'s nuts, huh? Yeah, I was just telling the story the other day. He came to see me wrestle. Sting at the Meadowlands, right?

And then he used to have a club called LTs. Yeah. So we all went back to his place and, you know, four o'clock in the morning. He drives off and his jaguels. and he's he's lit man i'm in a SUV a town car that i um a limousine right so i'm limo of course limousine riding he got to the game the next day and they were playing the bears and he got to the game the next day 15 minutes before kickoff you missed all the warmups

everything three sacks go unreal. LT. What do you think? Did you call him afterward and say, how the fuck do you do that? I'd have to call him right now.

He's beat Michael Jordan and golf. I said, he's a building new house. I said, how's your new place? He said, good. He said, Jordan really tricked it out. I said, what do you mean?

He said, that's what do you think I beat every day? He's a scratch golfer. Yeah, I've heard he's a great golfer. He's, anything he touches he can do. Bill Sims used to tell us. a story where Phil was like he was at this country club

like he was a member at a club and LT would just go to the club with no clubs, no shirt, no nothing and tell him that he was Phil Sims' friend or something. I don't know, I'll probably botching it. And Phil would call and say, yeah, just give him all my stuff

and he'd go in there and set records on fucking the golf course hammered with girls. I don't know, that could be completely botched. but that's what I remember. No, no. That's everything you remember about L.T. is the truth. God.

I was with him on his birthday and in Las Vegas. Oh, my God. I cannot. Can you imagine Rick Flair and L.T. in Vegas? And Mungle. And Manga? Yeah, it was it means, Steve, you know, Steve decided of ALS.

Yeah. Yeah, he and I were really close. And that was the three of us in a club. Oh, Jesus Christ. So I had him on my podcast about, oh, I don't know, this was like eight years ago. And he said, don't bring up my wife. He said, I've got a new one.

Oh, my God. Yeah, he runs to his own. But you know, it's funny, he's sitting in that no smoking section. Did you watch that in the game today? With smoking. that they're smoking a cigar. Yeah. There's no smoking section.

I don't think you're allowed to smoke anywhere in anywhere. Yeah. Now. There is. Don't tell him that, brother. No. Especially when you got that damn L.T. hanging out here.

No, but the security guard was right next to him. Yeah. And he's just smoking a cigar in the facility. Yeah. That's L.T. though. Yep. It sure is. Fucking L.T's a man.

He didn't take any shit. Let's jump into this match. Okay, so we got Ricky Steamboat, also known as the Dragon, build out of Honolulu and sometimes Charlotte. He's the W.W.E. Hall of Famer and an NWA world heavyweight champion trained under the tutelage of Vern Gagne. He was athletic. He was a high flyer, but also technically sound.

He submitted himself as a great wrestler during an eight-year run in the Mid-Atlantic region, and he was 36 at the time of this fight. What made him so good as a wrestler? He just had the gift. He was a real good amateur wrestler, state champion in Florida. He just was smooth. I mean, it started, you wouldn't believe the fight I used to have to have because nobody wanted, nobody wanted, none of the older guys wanted the young guys to make it.

That's been kind of the way it's been, I guess probably in a lot of sports. Nobody wants to give up their spot. Yeah. So I talked George Scott, the Booker, and they're doing a deal with me and him, and the rest is history, but he's just a tremendous athlete. You know, we were doing it. salts and shit like that back then, but he certainly could have done it. Yeah.

He's that good an athlete. Yeah. And I told you, 465 pound bench, I mean, phenomenal physique. Can you feel a guy that's strong in the weight room when you guys are doing your moves? Or sometimes it's just easier to do the move with a guy that's elitly strong? I'll tell you the guy you can really feel with is Brock. Yeah. Well, when Brock grabs the whole year, you know, I used to go easy, brother.

Is there any of that sometimes? With Brock, there was. I'm 56 years old. I'm a wrestle Brock Lesnar. Jesus, great. Good Lord. So what happened was Steve quit. So I got the TV and Vince said, where's your gear?

I said, my gear. I thought I was the co-owner of the company. He said, you were. Now you're wrestling. And I said, who? He said, Brock. I said, Brock, I said, Brock, Leszner. He said, get your shit and never come to TV without it again.

okay and that went from being the commissioner or whatever i was to wrestling brock that's a tough day brother he's a bad apple man oh yeah holy shit i played with steve neil yeah you know steve neil of course yeah southern cow no he bakersfields baker's field yeah and he didn't play any Steve and Neil. Yeah. Yeah. And he beat Brock Lesner in the world champions. Did he really?

Yeah, he was our guard. Oh, he beat him in, uh, uh, amateur. Amateurs. Yeah, well, he was older than. I think,

but they, they, they, they wrestled in world champions and, and I think Steve, Steve beat him. That was his, like, claimed Steve.

NCAAs, maybe. NCAAs. Yeah. Maybe NCAAs. Yeah. Well, he only won NCAAs by one point. Who? I watched Kurt Ango take down Brock three times.

Yeah. Nobody was, was tough. was angle angle is good oh god damn what an athlete but you know he was a undersized heavyweight in college 2 30 yeah it's all they wait but so wrestling guys like Sylvester jake and that I mean but so all the guys you know that that that shit goes that we're always once in a while the guys want to play around so um Brock had his gear on and Kurt was barefoot and he goes at angle He said, you could never take me down.

So, of course, the ring was a load of the old companies they're watching, but he took him down three times in a row. Wow. Kurt was like a cat, man. I mean, he was so fast. Quick, strong. Yeah. He knew how to use his weight.

So we got Rick Flair, also known as the Nature Boy, Wu. Build out of Charlotte, North Carolina, 21-time world champion. 21, don't forget it. W.W.E. Hall of Fame, double inductee. Double. One of the greatest to ever do it known for the iconic

four leg lock. Which never beat anybody. One of the goats of wrestling. I have one shit with that damn old. My sister. Everybody could reverse it. I saw it. You got reversed and that's what you got pinned in this.

In this. Yeah. Now, there is one move that during this match. Take us through this match. What you remember of this match, but there is one that there's one move. Where we flip over the top together? Yeah.

I think that was the one where you, he threw you into the, and you did like a crazy athletic fucking. I don't want to top of him. Yeah. Yeah. Now, did you choreograph that or is that just, that just came?

I called everything in the ring with him. We never talked about anything. Because for me, I had to hear the crowd. You know, the problem with it now is they rehearse everything so intensely that if you walk out the door and the crowd isn't liking what they're, See, that makes sense?

You never know until you hear the crowd. And the guys don't have the experience now to, you know, to change your, I don't fly. It's kind of like how offenses call play sometimes. Yeah. You know, there's a scripted first 15, and we weren't a scripted first 15 team. We would have like five plays that we knew we would call,

like, the first drive, and then we would have counters to how the defense was playing us, and we would log that data, and then we would call the game off. of that. Yeah. So, like, we're reading the defense,

you're reading the fucking crowd. Yeah. And you weren't just going by script. Yeah. I like that. Who are some of the better, like, improvisational wrestlers

that you wrestle with over your career? Harley Ray's. Harley Race. I'll tell you a great Harley Race story. So Harley is a wrestling, you know, his Harley Ray's story.

Yeah, he's a really tough guy, right? So he's wearing Greensboro. when he's wrestling and Andre in a singles match and you had to know Harley so Harley all of a sudden he stands Andre up straight up but down vertical suplex I mean I'm watching us going shit I remember that right boom and then he gets up Andre and he slams Andre I mean literally picks him up not like Hogan slam with wrestling he lifted him up and slammed him right

And so he would love you would have loved all he raised. He'd have been great in the NFL locker room. He comes back and he's spoken. I go over to him, I go, did you ask Andre? If you could do that? Ask him what? I said suplex, slam, kick out on two. Why would I ask him?

ask him. I told him. Oh, God, Harley was, you know, he was in a car record. And it was, uh, um, and it killed his first wife. Oh, he's 19 years old. And to save his arm, they put a metal plate with his left arm right from here to here this thick and all the way from here to the tape to take the arm. So, you know, when Harley goes, nobody's

looking for the left-handed, I have seen him destroy people. Because of the, because of the rod or whatever he is there? Yeah, I big. Like the Gronk fucking elbow? Yeah. Gronk used to wear the elbow pad. Remember you, you know, Gronk wears that big ass long thing? Yeah. That was

because he broke his arm, but then it became like a weapon. Yeah. No, he had, so every bar we go to, I mean, he hardly, he was, he just and everybody knows he's a world champion. So we go into a bar like where Billy Bob's in Fort Worth. I said, let's I get some drinks.

He said, I'm going to play a pool. I go, God damn on Harley, don't, I know what you're going to do. He goes over to the pool table. There's 10 people playing, right? Takes a cue, chocks it up, and knocks all the quarters off the fucking table. It's like eight quarters and goes, I got the winner.

problem one time we did the whole SMU football team we had to fight away out the door God that's the real reason they canceled the season

that's like the 80s movies bro this is like 80s movies you got fucking just rocked up dudes rolling in you know what he did when when Hogan and those guys came to to Kansas City

I'm wrestling there at the Memorial Auditorium and they came to the civic center. Harley goes, hold this show down, Ricky, I'll be back, and he pulls the 9mm out, puts it in the back of that. He goes over, and he walked and kicked open the door. Hogan was in the bathroom. He put the gun in Hogan's face and said,

what are you doing in my town? And Hogan said, I'm busy here, I mean, Vincent, I didn't, I mean, Harley was a different guy. Wow. He's like a real badass. Oh, real badass. You got, if you got Harley his name, you got to be fucking badass. You know, hey, he couldn't, he left high school at 12.

I mean, left school at 12. God, talk about street smarts. Yeah, you talk about, I'm seeing him pull, literally in a fight, I've seen him pull guy's hair out of their head, like, Patches. Ooh. Who's the best shit talker in the ring? Other than you.

It would be me and who's a really good shit talker? Well, I thought Dusty Rhodes had the best interview of all time. There's a couple of us. But Dusty was always a good guy. It was hard for Dusty to be a bad guy. Yeah. He just couldn't help but like him, you know? And he was a creative genius.

Now, he's your inspiration, but you were kind of like almost a heel. Yeah. your whole career now how does that how does that work i'm a terrible baby face i'm so limited um yeah i just like being a heel i'm better much better being a heel than a baby face how did you get this persona i still don't understand it because you got like doctor parents i don't know boarding school i know around rich kids but yeah right place right time and a lot of hard work almost understand me that When people, they contemplate that, I'll tell them that and I'll think about it, 17 days off in three years. Yeah, that's work.

And wrestling an hour every night, 11,000 mile a week. That's a lot. Yeah, it's a lot of drinking. So what about this match is something that you remember the most? One of the moves, it was fucking 26 minutes long, right? 23 minutes long. And it felt like you guys were working the whole time. There was no down time.

No rest time, yeah. That's a difference now. Grab her in a hold. I've worked with guys that want to grab a hole and hold you down that. That was never my style. So, yeah, I think it was a statement to our conditioning. He was really well conditioned, too. And I always pride of myself on being able to be, you know,

when you wrestle an hour every day. You know, it's the funniest thing, well, he used to drive doctors crazy to my resting heart rate was like 38. Yeah. So when I was sick, they put a pacemaker on me, not because I needed it, but

because there's something wrong with them. But every day I got up, I did 500 free squats. And then I'd wrestle an hour at night. I mean, you know, you're going to get a lot of exercise. But back then I could eat anything I wanted to eat. I mean,

but then you get older. The metabolism changes. I ease off the pasta, which I still love. I could eat spaghetti all day long. Oh, my God. Who can't? So this match is widely regarded as one of the most technically sound matches in wrestling history.

A lot of cells, a lot of hits, the athleticism full on display. It started off early with a lot of hard chops. Chops everywhere. And then the pacing really picks up and pretty much from that moment just kind of ramps up. Is there a specific moment during this match where you felt like, okay now we're really in it like now we're like cooking or how does that piece you go you know what's funny we because it was on a pay-per-view we had to you know stay with the time where we could we could done it for an hour yeah which he and i he and i have done 90-minute match wow that's a lot of time

but we never sat in a hold either now he's just fabulous man i still talked to rickie a lot he's had some health issues you know as so many people have but he and he and Sean Michaels are the two best workers of all time him and Shaw Michaels yeah now what does that mean best workers of all time

like the best performers best performers he's the best good guy and Sean's the best overall because he can do Sean will be a prick too he's a good heel and he's a but he's a great baby face it's being able to sell and convince people that you're hurt

you know what I mean where they really start to feel for you which is really hard to do now because it's it's so well-known that it's choreographed you know people don't realize that just because it's choreographed it's still people we got another guy with a broken neck now who broke his neck because I think Kevin Owens is done oh Jesus I mean the guys and then people will call it fake It's not fake guys

Get in the ring We'll show you how fake it is That shit hurts And it's a lot of wear and tear So some of the big moments of this match Are there's a big steamboat close line Into a flying chop And then right into a flying tackle

That takes out the ref too And then you both traded pins Yeah you both traded pins And then the second ref comes out of nowhere Nowhere Nowhere bald bald guy comes out there So how does that get like pitched to you Like oh we're going to take out the ref

And then how does that come about That was my finish. I gave it to him. You gave it to him. Yeah. You know, the thing of it is, you look back on some of the mistakes you made in your career.

Like when Sting beat me in Baltimore for the title, I should have just submitted it in the Scorpion. But back then, nobody wanted to submit. I mean, just we were losing was one thing, but to submit in a hold and all. But it would have made it better for him. and it wouldn't have affected my career at all with him he was just so good i was so happy for him he would he he he had a really tough ex-wife that was insane um now you can quote me she she hates me

and i don't get along her because she wanted to be miss elizabeth and you know i mean yeah and and he insists and bringing his kid to bringing little rickie to the ring and all that i mean you see people it's what you do think people like that the wrestling fans didn't like it at all yeah they want a ricky drag the girls want a ricky steamboat alone

the girls loved them god handsome hawaiian yeah and he won was the the nWA heavyweight champion after this match yep now what's the aftermath of this uh so ricky steemboat won the nbara world championship title belt uh and then this

was the first you mentioned earlier of the epic trilogy you had the class of the class of the champions which steamboat won again and then wrestle war which you recapture the nWA heavyweight title yeah um and this set up the flare versus funk i quit match yeah god it was brutally almost broke my neck jerry funk and then in 1991 you would have your first stint in w w f before returning to wcw in 1993 steamboat would retire in 94 and you both would be inducted into wwee hollivan now what was it like to go to the Oh, it's great. I had to get away. Remember that this guy named Jim Hurd? Wanted me to cut my hair and call me Spartacus. It was a terrible done. That's the first time I had

self-confidence issues. So when I cut my hair and walked into the airport, nobody knew who I was. I went, God damn it. This is bullshit. Rick Flair. He's got a haircut, okay? I still bored to playing first sucker. Then the aftermath, let's get into grading this match. Well, hold on. When did you realize that this match was an all-time classic?

Well, the thing of it is, Steamboat and I had some many more before that. They were probably even better. So I didn't think it was being a classic. But over the years, it just keeps coming around and around and around. and I just think the thing that made it so much different and now is that the rules are different and everybody's, you know, they practice so long and, you know, some guys don't like getting hit.

I hit steamboat as hard as I could hit him, and he never flinched. And he, I mean, he hit me back, but I mean, it's just just, it was just a great chemistry of two guys, there's the greatest worker of all time right there, Sean. Well, I want to talk about... We had Sean on. He's awesome.

He's tremendous. He's a cool dude. Yeah, he is. He's fucking cool. And your final match in 2008 was WrestleMania at 24 versus Sean Michael's the... I'm sorry, I love you. Yeah.

How did that come to be the... I'm sorry, I love you, straight to the kick, the sweet chin music? Well, Sean and I were always good friends, you know. You know, so Sean, it's funny. It's a great story. you know Sean found religion right

and everybody finds it for a different reason right so we used to ride the buses over in Europe after the show is right so scene is in the back and in the scene I had one of those um where you play the music on it iPod yeah the iPod with the music and all back there drinking beer and all that and so Sean says to me I said I'm we actually had words over it I go back with the kids he said are you ever going to grow up

I said what do you even grow up he said why don't you sit up here and watch TV we're like you don't need to go back and drink all the time said yeah I do as a matter of fact I don't like watching TV so I went back he and I had a pretty good joust over right you and so anyway the next day I said just tell you one beer right so one led to two two led to three finally we landed in Paris

and uh he said okay I'm just gonna do your thing one time and I just then that's it I'm done fucking around with your shit so I walk in the hotel all the time I don't even go upstairs I just pay the guy I take my bagged upstairs and I go

right to the bar and then I get food to go from the they keep the restaurants open and all that and uh so we can we stayed up till three o'clock of the morning Sean got murdered the hearty boys had to take him to his room he got up the next day he said fuck he would he got on a plane and went home he was so I said I didn't force you to do it he said god damn it that's what that's what hanging of you we're down with hanging around you does to everybody it's like you know like Vince called me and said that they Vince called me and says leave seeing alone they call they called big show leave big show alone I used to get big

show hammered too oh big show yeah uh he can tell some funny stories I bet I bet I bet I bet Let's get into grading this match. This is a legendary match. Now, these are some of the names that we came up with that it's known for. If you want to call it something else, we can call it something else. We have the Shy Town Rumble, the trilogy starter, steamboat versus showboat, the Wheeling and Dealing in the Windy City match. Which one do you like?

Wheeling and Dealing and the Windy City. Wheeling and Dealing in the Windy City. Is this the greatest match of all times? Let's score at decimals encouraged. Stakes, zero to 10 on stakes of this, Rick Flair, this match in the Windy City. The stakes of this match, World Championship on the line. Oh, 10. A 10. I'm going to go with an eight because this isn't a repeat. This isn't a repeat. You're not going back to back on it. Jack got 8.9 at 6.1. The star power of this match. Steamboat versus Rick Flair, what do you give it?

At that point in our career, I guess probably seven, maybe. Modest. That's a modest score. I'm going to go with the 7.8. You're still Rick Flair. Jack had a 9.2 and I had an 8.9. The gameplay of the match. This is like how the match with, the technicalities of it.

This is where it's going to score super high. What do you, zero to 10? I'll give it a 10. I'm going to give it a 9.5. This was an insane match, 23 minutes of nutsness. Technical, high-level wrestling jacket at a 9.6 out of 9.2. And the name of the game, we're going to grade the name of the game, the Wheeling and Dealing in the windy fucking city match.

I just added that fucking. It's also the cultural significance of this, like, moment in, like, sports history. The fact that it's still being talked about, even like today all these years later so i got to give it a 10 okay i like it because um you know people still uh you know when they talk about something like a catch you made or like uh something that your biggest moment and people talk about something you've done for so many years and it's still like in a conversation like we're having today i got to give it a 10 yeah that's great explanation. I mean,

how, what is this? This match is 35 years old. Yeah. And we're still talking about it. 36. 36. Yeah. I'm going to go with a 9. 9. Jack had an 8.9 at a 6.2. Where does it match? What's our total score? And let's see where it goes on the list of games and matches that we've done.

It's an 8.64. That's high. That is high. That's going to put us at our new, our new, 18th overall just ahead of the Statue of Liberty game 2007 Fiesta Bowl, Boise State versus Oklahoma. Remember that? And just behind Super Bowl 38, Carolina versus New England right here. Remember when the

guy did the Statue Liberty play? Oh, yeah. And Boise, and it was AP was playing on, and freaking the guy ends up marrying his little cheerleader girlfriend afterwards. That's the moment the field is Blue? Yeah, the Blue field, yeah. Yeah. So,

So we're number 18. Where are some of the wrestling, other wrestling matches we got here? We have, uh, the I quit match. We have, we got 25 Becky two belts. She did wrestling media 35. That was the match we did with the three people with Charlotte Flair. Yeah. Um, and then we also did the I quit match.

Uh, what was that? Mankind versus Stone Cold. No, the, I quit was me and, me and Terry Funk. We did it, we did another, we did another, we did another I quit with mankind in the Rock in Royal Rumba, 1999. Yeah, I just saw him this weekend. We did the Iron Man match, too, WrestleMania 12,

with Sean Michaels and Brett Hart, classic match. Yeah, for two guys that hated each other. Wow. Brett Hart and Sean Michaels? Oh, God. They were kind of like polar opposites. Even to this day, Brett,

like he's running his mouth again now, you just don't know when you, sometimes there's not enough energy and not enough time in life to be hating me. people 20 years after the business. I mean. That's like 30. Yeah. We're adding decades.

Oh, he's right. He's right in all kinds of shit now again. He's on tour in England now, but blistering triple H, blistering me, blistering Hogan was not even alive to defend himself. Yeah. I mean, hates an energy burner. Yeah. It just, that's what my dad says. He goes, it takes too much energy to hate. Yeah, even to be jealous to take too much energy. Yeah. Before we go, did we miss any.

on this match? No, not at all. I want to do a quick rapid fire. You give me a one-word association to the names I give you. Okay. One word. Macho man Randy Savage. Good wrestler. Stone Cold.

The greatest, the biggest star in the history of the WW. Wow. Hulk Hogan. Second biggest star in the history of WWW. The Rock. The most charismatic man in the history of our business. Charlotte Flair.

the greatest wrestler in the company currently John Sina phenomenal guy phenomenal person can't say enough good about John and rightfully so he worked hard to become a 17 time champion and God bless him

I just hope that when he gets through this tour that he doesn't go back and it's so hard when you've done this for so long even though he's got a great career in Hollywood so hard not to go back because what happens you lose a player like that and you start losing your key players that's why they kept bringing back the rock and Steve every year because they're still more over than the current guys it's hard to yeah hard to replace stars it is it's the truth i mean that mark may is playing great but he ain't tom brady yeah

Drake May? Yeah. Drake May, I'm sorry. Not yet. Not yet. Not yet. But he's playing good.

He's still in his diapers. We still have, too. We got a lot of work to do. Yeah. And then the last one, Rick Flair. Wildest motherfucker that ever lives. That's... Woo!

Woo! That's what I said on my documentary. I love it. I love it. Thank you so much. The wildest motherfucker that ever lived. it's an absolute pleasure to have you in the nut house this is such a freaking dream for me you're such a huge part of my culture growing up everyone's culture in this room's growing up

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Rick Flair. What the fuck? I got so off script just because he'd go into stories. you could probably film him for maybe a thousand hours straight and still have just just some stories story just throughout a story for everyone yeah there's LT Undertaker any any person you name is like oh yeah Pope oh yeah we we partied one night Pope goes hard I mean he was trying to get me to go out with them dude I don't how do you can't club soda and lime like you don't have to have booze to go out Yeah, right.

Ask, ask, what's his name? Ask, uh, Sean Michaels. Yeah, Sean, John Sina or John Sina. Yeah, Burke Kreiser. Yeah, ask you, there's no shot. Although, I mean, even just being asked to go out with Rick Flair is an honor. Where would you go out with Rick Flair? He's seven, that is, he's, he's a animal.

He's got that gene. Whatever that gene is, he's got. He's got the gene. Yeah, yeah. Awesome gene. How crazy of his, like, life in career. career that we spent an hour and 20 minutes, 30 minutes talking to him. And we didn't even talk about him having a plane crash and getting struck by lightning. Well, I mean, everyone does.

It's just like, oh yeah, that's like a, that's like a footnote in his life. I'm convinced that. You've ever seen the movie with John Travolta? Yeah, phenomenon. Yeah. Where he gets struck by lightning. They could speak Spanish and Portuguese in one sentence. I prefer from the same era. I think that's why Rick Flair is able to live the way he lives. He was struck by lightning. And it just made him super. You ever see the same era John Travolta is an angel and it's called Michael? Yeah, it's like the same movie. Yeah, it's the same movie, like same time.

Yeah. I liked it. I love those movies. I love Travolta. Yeah. But we got to chill out, man, after that. And it's time for the chill zone brought to you by Coors Light. Get Coors Light delivered straight to your door.

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Well, let's hit the old hotline. Again, that number is 424-291-2290. Let's get into it. There's our first. Let's hit the old hotline. Jules is Gabe from the Bay Area, California. I've got two questions for you, or a question and a request. First question, when you're back in the Bay Area,

where is your go-to food spot or something you, that from your childhood used to love going to get food at. Got a note for that. And then, request, I think that for an episode, you guys need to get Madison Bumgarner on the podcast, and you guys need to talk about the 2014 World Series game seven at Kauffman Stadium. When he comes out of the bullpen to shut it down and give the Giants another World Series victory,

All right. Thanks, man. Love the podcast, boy. Do. Bumgarner? That dude's a monster. He's like country strong. Like, I think he, he, now I remember him, dude. He was a fucking monster. I would love to go over that game. We need to get him. We need more baseball. Huh? We need more baseball. We definitely need some more baseball. Yeah. We're trying. We're trying to. Yeah. But we would love to get him on here to discuss that game. And especially those teams. I loved him. I loved, I loved, uh, Big time, Timmy Jim, Tim Linscombe, yeah. Matt Kane.

I liked them all, man. We had a hundred pence on. Oh, Brian Wilson. Brian Wilson. So Brian Wilson, what did I just see? That Charlie Sheen, did you hear about that? Charlie Sheen said that's winning. He was inspired off of Brian Wilson.

Wow. That's winning or winning. Yeah, winning. Yeah, everyone said that for. That's from Brian Wilson. Wow. I saw that in something. maybe the documentary but uh gotta go to when i go back to the bay i have a few spots i like to hit

one chavez meat market uh great burritos been going there since before i was born my parents were going there my dad used to go there back in like the 80s it's got a little commercialized now is that like a mission style burrito yeah okay so you know northern california style burrito where they put in crema queso carnissada aros uh

frioles pico de gallo and the tortilla is like kind of like the main the tortilla is really it's a flour tortilla they used to not they changed it at Chavez they used to have this

steam thing they put the whole thing in there and you hear it go and they would steam the tortilla now they had have this thing where they put it on the flat thing. But I remember back in the day, it'd make the tortilla super, super chewy. I love that spot. So hitting that, I would hit Harry's Hofbrow.

It's right over on El Camino. They got kind of like those open-faced turkey sandwich kind of spot. You go there and you tell the chef what you want and they cut up your thing. I would always go with the, they had a hot dog. They would slice it. put it on like sourdough french roll and then i get a bowl of au june and i would dip it in there or i go with roastby sandwich or they had great stuffing and great turkey gravy and then i always they always had crisp salad you get a cold crisp salad and i'd add beats and then

throw a lot of ranch on it and then you cut it up and your ranch we get all red i loved that place uh and then there used to be a place i used to like going to but it's got new ownership different isn't that's the delis the delis of I used to be a woodside deli guy it's and it changed it's a little different now it's one of the saddest things

when your favorite restaurant doesn't close down it gets a new ownership it's new ownership it just becomes different and it's like it's worse it's worse yeah and I'm not trying to shit on the new people yeah but it's different

it used to be like a mom and pop shop old mr old man woodside deli this old Italian dude would be in there and he had his daughters working and he'd have the big ass cheese cutting it and going from this, you know what I mean? They don't have it no more. They used to have a plethora of all, everything,

like the little Italian deli stuff. I always loved the deli up north because of our sourdough rolls and Dutch crunch. And they always had good, good rolls. They had, they just, and they started distributing the bread from somewhere else, I think. Oh, yeah, that's, that killed it. Yeah.

Killed it. Yeah. But I would say those two places, is I have to get a Chavez burrito and go to Harries and then find some kind of sandwich. Bode-in. I like Bode-in because they have good sourdough.

You get the turkey avocado with Havardi. But, yeah, those are my spots. Sourdough. Bread. And I like the Mexican up north better, too. The burritos are better. I like our burritos. In San Francisco for sure.

Even though that's like an American thing. Yeah. Yeah. We don't want to get in that argument. All right. Next question. Jules. Jackie.

Kyler, Eric from Detroit. I was wondering if you could show some love to the 2004 Detroit Pistons. Maybe do a game that they beat the Los Angeles Lakers in the five-game sweep of the NBA finals. The best five alive, starting lineup. Chauncey Billups, Rip Hamilton,

Tashon, Prince, Rashid Wallace, Ben Wallace. No superstars. I think this team deserves a little love on the games with names. One thousand percent. I agree. I love, I met Rip Hamilton. at a concert with grong

he's a yukon guy he's a yukon guy he's a big him and brady were boys back in the day because that they were yukon they were thriving at detroit in o four and tom yeah i guess he was telling me something like that he was a patriots fan because of that yeah you know so rip we got to get rip on to discuss those teams i used to love those the wallace bros those teams were just dirty nasty tachian prince he'd always have a shot from the corner i love ripped hamilton when he when he wore the

mask. Oh, that's the first thing I asked him when I met him. I'm like, what's up with the mask? Man, he's like, yeah, became my thing. But he had the mask with the, with the, uh, headband over it. Yeah. No one ever done that yet. This is not Mouse in the Palace.

This is Mouse in the Palace. Oh, this is Mouse in the Palace here. Yeah. Mouse in the Palace was November 19, 2004. So they fought? Yeah. Maybe it's a season Astor, but it's, it's this, it's this era of Pistons. Oh, this is.

We got to hit this team. Yeah, that's a fun team. And I love Rick. They went back. I love Ben Wall. I love Rishie Wallace. I love that whole starting five. Chauncey.

They were fucking good. They switched back to the old school, like the red, white, and blue, like uniforms versus that, like, weird, like, teal fucking horse thing. Detroit teams are just always tough. It's good to see that the lions are back in that market. They look like a tough team right now. dominating dominating teams

bullying teams with the run game hey Jules my name's Logan from West Virginia and I'm a big macho man Randy Savage fan and I was just curious in all your years in New England who were some of

the team pukesters love the show thanks pukesters you pukesters you pukesters there's a few that's a great question there were a few

pukesters we're gonna start asking all the wrestling people who's the biggest pukester that's it we should have had that before this I know fuck what the fuck love break was dialed in all the football too right now

dude when oh yeah when he started doing when he started doing like I'm sure who knows when it's coming out when he started doing the like jet riding limousine like that thing he was like a great white shark attacking his eyes rolled back into his head and he just was on autopilot

and he was just fucking cooking. Hey, games with names, how's it going? Spendway calling from Weston, Massachusetts. Big fan of the show. Thank you guys for an awesome show. I'm thinking of old school Red Sox, like 75, old school, Red Sox, Yankees, rivalry,

maybe like Cop and Fisk, Jim Rice, Dwight Evans, Fred Lynn, baseball, Bill Lee, I think there's some really great stories there Again thank you guys for a great show Jules thank you for so many Awesome football memories Keep up the great work guys

Have a good day Definitely we got to get some of those old socks games We need baseball I'm working on it There's names in there that I've been talking To try to get them on Because we definitely need more from this era I mean Carlton Fist's the

Come on Yeah I know Fuck freaking those are some lonely days though back then yeah the the curse was still in full yeah effect i would say p kirk's is probably 1986 yeah with buckner i think that's peak curse that was peak yeah but i mean another 18 years until they want it so yeah absolutely we love that thanks for the call that great um great hearing a call like that makes me like makes me feel all warm and fuzzy about being home yeah me too um um

Okay. Let's do two more here. Hey, guys. It's Megan, as always. I have a question for you, and I need advice. So one of my friends is actually doing poorly in our fantasy league. And she feels a little bit down. Is there any advice you can give for her, despite being in the last place? Please let me know. Thanks, guys. Yes, I know exactly what you can do, Megan.

This is what you do. You give her whatever, how much you guys put in. you have her trade all your her best players to your team and then you guys have a joint team Are you promoting collusion right now? Well no, no, no, no. But then when you win, you're such a fantasy newbie

that you'd be like collusion, hey, here's what I do, collude. This is fantasy death penalty type of shit. Oh, is it? Yeah. Oh, I mean. Jesus Christ. I think you buy her ice cream cone.

Actually, I actually do have a real answer here. What is your answer? fantasy football is about fun right so you got to let's get him some of those are sleep raids i would say what you do forget about points load up your team with players and games that you want to watch so if you're a patriots fan go get fucking digs or go get booty or go get someone that you want to watch the game and root for you're making me yawn with that one buddy no you go in and you fucking collude you should cheat yeah go you guys collude your balls off cheat cheat Yeah, that's the answer.

I don't think you, yeah. That sounds like Bill, no, my. Okay, last one here. Yo, guys, it's not how it's nation. I want to introduce you to a little game we call Goat, Glaze, and Gone. And today I want to talk about the three eras of Tom Brady. The first era, young winning Super Bowl, learning the game, but clutches can be. The middle era, lighting up the scoreboard.

No, no Super Bowl rings there, but absolute monster on the field, lighting it up. the third era of winning Super Bowls again. Cerebral just locked in. All three could be their own Hall of Fame careers, but ranked them from goat, glaze, and gone. Ooh. I think this is like a PG

version of Fuck Mary Kill. Goat. Glaze gone. Goat. Goat is Mary. Glaze is fucking gone is kill. I like it. I like the alliteration. So, were you

grading it? Yeah. I have a answer. You go first. Or do you want me to go first? I think you go first. I goate the third leg of his career. Yeah. I glaze the first leg of his career. Because just Super Bowl's winning championships. And I gone. And I gone the middle losing to the Giants heartbreak because who gives about individual stats. I agree. Yeah. That's what I was going to say. Yeah. Although I will say 2007 was probably the most fun watching the Patriots. Yeah, but are you going to glaze that?

No, but, like, I've never had more fun than watching the 2007. I had fun, and I wasn't even a Pat's fan yet. And, like, going into the games wasn't like, are they going to win? It was, are they going to hang up 50? And how much are they going to win by? Yeah, at the end, though, it was like, they were holding on for dear life. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Especially against the Giants when, who was it?

Jabbar Gaffney had the catch on the deep return to win the game. Was that, what, Saints? The Saints? Or Ravens? They had a couple. There was a couple of Cowspins towards the end. Right. And then that Giants one was like, ooh. But that was a fun. That was a fun. The House Nation, we appreciate you. We'll play this. We should play this game again sometime. I like that. And I mean, you can't glaze without Jack being here. So. Yeah, we can't glaze. But we should make that a segment maybe.

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