Games with Names - “Double Doink” with Chris & Kyle Long | 2018 NFC Wildcard Game: Eagles vs. Bears

Episode Date: January 10, 2023

Today, it’s all about the 2018 NFC Wildcard Game between the Eagles and Bears aka the “Double Doink.” Sam & Jules see what was going on back in January 2019 (5:26). We dive into this infamous playoff game and both squads (18:31). We’re joined by not one, but two Long Bros, Chris and Kyle Long join the show to go deep on one the most memorable (and painful) playoff finishes in modern history (29:31). We wrap it all up and score this game (1:15:56).Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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With 10 seconds left in the fourth quarter, Chicago's down 16-15. Cody Parkey lines up for the kick. This is the Double Doink Game. Hello, and welcome to Games with Names presented by Winbet. I'm Julian Edelman. I'm Sam Morrell.

And we're about to search for the greatest games of all time. Today's episode, the Double Doink Game. 2018 NFC Wildcard, January 6th. That's what this date is known for, obviously. The Double Doink Game and nothing else. Eagles versus Bears. Our guests, hmm, a little awkward. what this date is known for obviously the double doink game and nothing else eagles versus bears our guests hmm a little awkward they both have the same last name hmm chris long kyle long are they related i don't know we'll find out this game is crazy i mean this is brutal if you're

if you're a bears fan first off those winters are hard enough they are very tough it is a windy city i believe sam i think that yeah it's on the lake right oh dude it's that city have you been there and i mean in the heat of winter i played in a snow game in chicago and it it was so it as cold as it is and whatever everyone wants to say about it go into soldier field it's got like the old skeleton of the old soldier they renovated the inside it was so fun it's such a cool game there's so much history there defense 85 bears dick bulls bears i mean chicago is a it's a great sports town it's an incredible sports

town it's an incredible city i mean i think ferris bueller it's chicago dude the that is an unbelievable so that parade yeah that was the inspiration of what i felt when we had our like super bowl parades i was trying to be ferris buellerueller up on that stage doing the twist doing this I mean Chicago being a great sports town but then you have the Philadelphia Eagles another great sports town they're they're psychos I mean we all think about the eating the poop in the parade or or the throwing of batteries at Santa Claus I mean psycho fans in Philly, whether they're killing Santa or eating feces, you guys care. They care a lot. Too much, some would say.

I've gotten a crazy argument over a guy. He was making fun of my haircut all game long in Philadelphia. I thought it was a good haircut. What was he saying? I don't know. I had these two zigzags or something in the back of my head. He's like, hey, Edelman, you're not cool enough for that. I'm like, hey, F you, dude.

No, but my first reaction to this game, we just go in and we just talked about how special Chicago is in sports. My first reaction is, is this always going to happen to Chicago? I mean, they had the 90s Bulls. They had the 90s Bulls, but we're talking football. It's been since the 85 Bears. Yeah. 85 Bears, which was considered one of the best teams of all time that only won one Super Bowl.

Did this team have championship aspirations? I mean, they traded for Cleo Mack. First game, comes out, has a huge game. Their defense is roaring that year. Their defense is tough. Insane. They got Mitchell Trubisky, who's the second pick overall. In this game, played pretty decent.

That last drive was impressive. I mean, he did everything the team needed him to do to get his team into field goal range. Roulette situation, meaning the time is more important than the points. They suck down all the time as much as they wanted. They try to get Parkey out there to go out and kick a field goal, and the rest is history.

He set it up. That double doink hits the side, hits the bottom. Like, how do you, the bad luck you have to, that's literally like being on a flight that's going down, and as you're going down, someone like punches you in the bad luck you have to, that's literally like being on a flight that's going down, and as you're going down, someone like punches you in the face.

It's brutal. Very brutal. And it's honestly, it sucks for the special teams of Chicago. Because all game long, the punter, inside the five, inside the five. He was killing it. Killing it. Parkey, he had some good field goals going into half. What do you have, three or four?

Jack, how many field goals do you have? Parkey was three for four. Hit one at the end of the first half to put him up 6-3. So, yeah, he was all right. I mean, he was having a decent game. And then, you know, they have the kickoff return by who was that, Jackie? 29? I want to say Tariq Cohen.

Incredible run. Incredible run. Everything seemed to go right until the doink. No, the second doink. The second doink. The first doink, you're like, it's doinking in. Yeah. The second doink, it doinked out.

Jackie, what do you got? That was Josh Bellamy on the second return. Josh Bellamy. Not to be confused with Bill Bellamy. No, of course not. Can't confuse that, Jack. Who was in Any Given Sunday, a movie we've referenced. About five times.

Five times. Let's go back. Let's go back to January 6, 2019. January 6, 2019. What were you doing then? 2019, I was a comic on the road just doing i i don't know which city i was in at the time but uh i was out there how about you 2019 that was a good year for you right no that was the beginning of the end that's true damn that's right that was yeah

that was the year that uh we we got kicked out of the first round of the playoffs and uh tom brady left us no not in 2019 the beginning oh yeah i was like i i'm not gonna tell him what but i remember it being good for him. Actually, we won the Super Bowl that year. I did not get ahead a lot in my career. You won the Super Bowl in 2019. We won the Super Bowl in 28. So that's the thing. A 2018 season ends in 2019.

It's kind of like when you graduate high school. I always think about 04, but I was really 05 because I was on the 04 football team on varsity. So like you always, is it saying, I don't know. No, no, we get it. We had a good year. We had a good year this year. We were doing well, but what was going on in pop culture? The number one movie in America was Aquaman, which I did not see.

Amber Heard's life has changed a lot since then. This was pre a lot of that. Yeah, it was. Yeah. I never saw it either. I mean, the dude is a beast. What's his name? Jason Momoa.

Yeah, he just, he's like good looking, yoked, exotic. Yeah, he's got it all. He's got it all, but I just never saw it. I never got in it. Never got in it never got in it ridiculous trends fancy fancy doesn't that eliminate the purpose of crocs have you seen the high heel croc it's the dumbest thing i've ever seen it's a pull it up it's a croc with high heels so it's it's ugly and it's uncomfortable it's like having sex with an ugly person with a bad

personality look at this look at that who would wear that oh my i wonder if they're comfy i they don't look comfy ah that's that's gotta be tough are they hard to walk in hey look they're high heels they can't be easy but so but you would think with the high heel and i don't know this from any experience or anything but i'm just saying you you probably want something stiff to step down on so you're not like your stability i don't know that that it's a bad it's a bad idea there was the marie kondo minimalism which annoyed the hell out of me because we're new yorkers our spaces are small you have a tv and a desk in new york you're a hoarder basically that's our space so the the minimalism that's great if you're in the midwest you got a lot of space new yorkers we have to make do with small space got it i don't what does this even mean what was this can you explain this to me what is this it was like get rid of everything

that didn't have meaning to you yeah i'm a hoarder i'm a hoarder i'm a hoarder yeah yeah it's i yell at my mom for it i'm like mom can you throw this away and then i look at my place i'm like that that's a ticket stub from 10 years ago why do i have this i used to have a hollow notes cover band i used and i can't i still couldn't throw it away oh dude it's impossible i just love my shit i did a bit on last comic standing back in the day where i said i used to date a hoarder and uh she broke up with me which stung i was like the one thing she can get rid of that was and i and norm mcdonald was one of the judges he's like that's a great joke and i was like norm i'll tell you all right p dog no one was it was a legend uh so yeah this was uh 2019 and the egg on instagram 54 million likes do we have a picture of that

jackie like what was that that was so weird i mean the things that people like these days and that's how divided america is is an egg is the only thing we can agree on it was the what was the color why was this so big jack i i have honestly no idea you know there's some white supremacist group that was like why does it have to be a brown egg why can't it be a white egg eggs are usually white right you know that was like a kkk talking point this is a disgrace what else the fire festival doc that was solid that that was that was very good i mean that dude you remember that dude's face the one who said he would suck dick for water no remember the dude

i'm talking everyone remembers it that guy was the man that could you imagine spending a bunch of and this is like in the heat right before 2020 and COVID and everything. So like festivals were like roaring. Everyone's going to this. Everyone's going to that. Could you imagine showing up to an island that looked like pretty much, I don't want to say it, but it looked like an internment camp. Some would say it was like Nazi Germany.

I'm just saying. Some would say- It looked bad. And I'm not trying to poke no fun. We don't poke fun. We are both Jewish. We are both Jewish. Can you imagine how bad the Holocaust would have been

if Ja Rule was promoting it? You're like, Jesus, this is terrible. But it was Ja Rule like 10 years out of his prime. Yeah, yeah. He's still shirtless for some reason, but you're like, I don't. I did love that one song by Ja. Everybody, the lady. He had some good stuff.

He had some good stuff. Oh, dude, how about, do you ever see the clip of Ja at the Bucks game where he's like, are you ready? And they have a technical difficulty, and he's like, oh, nevermind. He had to like retake. And are you, I was like, ah,

this is a, this is a bummer. No, I never saw that one, Sam. I never saw that one. This is highlights from the world of sports in 2019. Ooh,

this is the Clemson, Trevor Lawrence versus the Alabama Tula Tungaboyaloa. Did I say that right, Jack? That was correct. Thank you, Jackie. It's where they met in the title game. Clemson won. This is the one time Alabama didn't get there in the last five years.

That turned out to be an interesting game. Two elite quarterbacks in college that really haven't found their run, their legs in the league yet, which that brings up a point. Everyone wants to say, oh, well, you know, they had good. Sometimes it's the best ecosystem you're drafted to, and any time you're drafted number one or number two, you're probably not going to a good ecosystem. Yeah, it's kind of messed up that you're the best,

and they're like, enjoy Jacksonville, you know? It's like a, it's a, it's very hard, man. It's got to be very hard jacksonville you know it's like a it's a debt it's it's very hard man it's got to be very hard to be you know i mean there's guys that have done it pate manning he flipped a you know an organization uh but you know it's it's but it was tough very tough i mean can you imagine going to a team that won one game no one goes to the games you're coming from clemson it's lights out it's like nirvana every time you go to a game in college then you got to go to jacksonville and it's like it's like the end of nirvana it's the end of nirvana and like the you know i've never been to jacksonville like that but i, but I can only imagine that there's probably Applebee's,

which could be a good spot. Florida's hit or miss as a state, let's be honest. It is. Florida's got some banger cities, and they've got some where you're like, ah, this sucks. I got COVID in Orlando, and I'm lucky that's all I got. Let's put it that way.

So hot. I've never been more pro-choice in my life than on a flight back from Orlando. Kill all these kids. I wanted to suffocate one with my travel pillow on the flight. Oh, my God. So we got these tweets. Yeah, we got tweets.

What did Julian tweet this day? We don't have a record of that. Oh, we have mine. What did I do? What was it? Can we zoom in what did sam tweet the premiere of the mass singer was weird uh was that just the the gem from pulp fiction is that what i got that's that was fun didn't gronk do the max the the mass singer

he did that show's got range gronkk and Rudy Giuliani. That's crazy. They really, they're all over the place. Man, Gronk does it all. He does. He's in every jack of all trades. Really. We just did Gronk Beach over in Vegas, and I'm still recovering. That was two weeks ago.

So let's get to the teams. So the 2018 Philadelphia Eagles were 9-7. They were the defending Super Bowl champs. Who'd they beat? I don't remember. I don't know. They beat the— Some of us have definitely blocked that out.

I wasn't playing. I was actually at that game, and I was with Guy Fieri, and I was supposed to go sit in his box, but it was owned by the Indianapolis Colts. So I'm literally sitting with Guy Fieri in the box. And someone from the Colts organization makes me leave. What? They made me leave the box. So I end up going into some random.

Why did they make you leave? Because you're a patriot? I guess. I guess. What does this guy stand up for you no i mean guy was trying everything he could but i think it was someone really high up over there which you know that kind of hurt my feelings but that's messed up dude i met some dude randomly at a different box literally sitting with random fans in another box watching this super bowl it was it was uh something i'll never forget what about what was guy eating do you remember he was uh he was probably eating um

no i don't i was out of the box sam i didn't get to sit with him no you don't even have any guy oh does jack know what he was eating i believe that that was. Was that good? Jules, was Chris Ballard ringing any bells? That was the GM of the Colts at the time. Yeah, I don't know if it was him. I'm not going to put out no names there, but I definitely got taken out almost in handcuffs. And then, honestly, and then another story. You remember Kyle Shanahan? We talked about him in a previous episode. I was going to the Niners.

You know, I had a couple of grandpa's old cough medicines that game so i was feeling kind of frisky go to the bathroom which i thought all boxes usually have their own bathrooms but there's like a you know there's like a public bathroom for these boxes over in minnesota it was a little weird to me but i go in there and i'm taking a piss and this guy starts talking about the super bowl the year before i'm like who is this guy i'm a little you know i'm a little hammered i got a little you know a little buzz on and he's like your urinal to urinal urinal to urinal you know i'm like all right dude yeah and and i look over he goes you don't know who i am and i go i really don't he goes oh i'm k Shanahan. Nice to meet you. He did the handshake midstream? Not midstream, but we were leaving, going to sinks. And I was like, man, I never really knew how you looked.

And we played in the year before. He asked me some personal things. I was like, yeah, we'll see how it goes. That's out of a movie, Urinal to Urinal. Urinal to Urinal. Urinal to Urinal. Dicks out. Full. Chatting.

Chatting. Yeah. I love it. Yeah. So this is, I mean, this was a crazy game leading up to this. So they're the champs that are coming out being champs. Foles again replaces Carson Wentz. I mean, that is, it's like being an understudy where you're like, but I'm doing better.

Isn't that weird? Well, it wasn't, I think Carson Wentz this year, he was having an MVP type year. The year before? The year before. The year before. Balling out.

But then this year, he wasn't that good, right? And it's gotta be weird. Wentz is the guy who comes in with all the heat to Philly and Foles is the one who brings him the Super Bowl.

And he leaves as philly's child yeah he's literally the what is the brother the city of brotherly love yeah they love some big dick nick yeah does he have a big dick have you been i have not been in the urinal with him but there are so many rumors and and talks and this is i'm gonna i'm gonna get to a urinal and this is a different conference and different division. And I'm hearing this through the grapevine. So, I mean, that's, yeah, what we got. And it's kind of funny,

he shares a backfield with a guy named Smallwood. In 2018. I really, I think so highly of Jack. I think he's gonna come in and be like, we have Nick's dick. It is eight and a half inches. I'm like, wow, nice. Good work, Jack. I'm gonna, wow, nice. Good, good work, Jack.

I'm going to, I'm going to pull up to a urinal next to Nick and be like, Nick, you don't know who I am. Do you? I know you've got a big pipe. Whip out the ruler. I know Julian Edelman.

He says you have a big dick. And he'll be like security. Um, so this is, yeah, the second season falls. Is that to replace when super weird? Uh, they needed a win in week 17 against washington for a playoff berth and uh they got it so here they are this is

this is a crazy so many things aligning for philly two straight years alshon jeffries yeah or jeffrey goes out and has a little revenge game against the bears he was with the bears before darren sproles a guy that we haven't seen in a while we haven't seen but this was in the heat of when darren sproles was darren sproles unbelievable third down running back crazy career crazy career rants i always got so mad that i had to play in his era because he always took the pro bowl for punt return because he was so goddamn good. And then you had Zach Ertz, who's clearly a stud for that team. The Chicago Bears, on the other hand, they picked to finish last in their division. They had Nagy. It was his first or second year. The very first game, they trade for Cleo Mack, which everyone's pissed at the Raiders for letting him go, but it makes that defense elite.

They get on a crazy record. They have Mitchell Trubisky drafted second overall in his second season. They bring an offensive-minded guy for Nagy, for Mitch, doing good things. They're 12-4 in the first year. I mean, things were looking to be pretty good for these Bears. Like, they were going into this game probably feeling confident. Won nine out of their last ten games, so they're getting wins left and right. And they beat the Vikings in Week 17 to help Philly actually make the playoffs.

So, like, I bet're they were already in they probably a little piss that they won that one good season for trubisky by the way uh 3 223 yards 24 touchdowns 12 interceptions three rush touchdowns but you've said to me that you didn't like how much he ran not always you know sometimes it's it's it's great to have your quarterback run, but I like seeing the quarterbacks that run with their eyes downfield, a la Aaron Rodgers, a la Patrick Mahomes, a la Josh Allen, guys that are on some elite teams that are playing at a high elite level. They have escapability just like, you know, Mitch does. Mitch has that ability, but they keep their eyes downfield.

And that's something, you know, watching these games over the years with Mitch, he's gotten better over his year. Last year, being a guy that sat on the bench, got to watch Josh Allen in Buffalo. It'll be interesting to see what he does this year with the Steelers. I'm sure he's going to be a lot more matured, and hopefully he keeps those eyes downfield. Things we remember from this game i mean it's named the double doink you gotta you gotta gotta start with that you remember that is probably one of the most painful ways to lose a playoff game yeah having a pat type field goal

to win in a city that when's the last time they've won a playoff game it's been a long it's probably been 15 years back when erlacher was on the team so like it was a good kicker and he's he set up to win i mean was he a good kicker i feel like he was pretty good i mean he was a good kicker that day he was three for three going into that last kick. And he made it before they called a timeout and it went through. So that sucks. The ice. The ice, dude. The ice.

They iced the kicker and it worked. Laces out, dude. Einhorn. Parkey had hit the upright six times prior to that season. Four coming in a game against Detroit. That's crazy. That's not good. No. And a lot of this goes back. This game was in 2019, but a lot

of it dates back to 2016 when they cut Robbie Gould and had a revolving door of kickers. Revolving door of kickers. Connor Barth, Cairo Santos, Mike Nugent. Mike Nugent? Ted Nugent's son? Is Nick Foles

the most confounding regular season playoff quarterback? What do you think? I'm still trying to figure out what confounding means Are you confused? I mean he's there What is he doing here? There's some guys

that just turn it on. Your guy, Eli Manning. He turned it on hard. Really, really hard. And that's what Nick did. And, you know, he's had some success. And it's good to hear those stories, guys that bounced around. I thought he was a really good quarterback in Arizona for a while.

Then he didn't find his team, finds this. I mean, that's what it's all about is about these types of stories. And I'm so excited to hear from the Long brothers about these inside stories because they're both going to have some stories on Foles and Chicago. Brothers on opposing teams in a huge game. I mean, this is what it's all about. Playoff game, posing team. How many times do you think they probably had this scenario

back in the backyard with Howie Long over there with the ball in his hand saying, hey, you got to get here, you got to get there. They probably had this in their... This had to be kind of deja vu-y from childhood. Who does Howie Long text first? Which son? had to be kind of deja vu from like childhood who does howie long text first which son gotta be the winner right or do they have a group text it's got to be a group it's got to be a group text now it's you obviously mom's probably wearing that the half cut jersey

with a half this long half that long you know have you seen that i like those yeah those are always fun nice but uh it's really only for it's not worth making it's only for the parents really it really it really is you can only do parents you can only do parents and the crazy thing is it's gonna that's one of the best they gotta be close to one of the best families in the league you got the with the matthews you got the slaters the mannings the mannings i mean i mean the hardballs as coaches that was pretty crazy You got the Matthews. You got the Slaters. The Mannings. The Mannings. I mean. I mean, the Harbaugh's as coaches.

That was pretty crazy, too. Harbaugh's. This is a huge football family. I'm excited to get these guys in. Things we may have forgotten. That we may have forgotten. That no one wants to talk about. The number one thing that comes to my mind. The ball was deflected.

The ball was deflected. Parkey got ran out of town. ball was deflected ball was deflected parky parky got ran out of town ball was deflected barely barely deflected barely deflected yeah but that that gives the tip it hit just the tip but that could really mess up the what is it trajectory yeah is that right jackie yeah trajectory yes thank you jack it could really mess up the trajectory of the football so like i mean is it the kicker's fault is it the left tackle's fault is it the left wings fault is it the center's fault for giving them a good jump i mean whose fault is it we're gonna ask these long boys who whose fault it was was. I picture them fighting for their dad's love like it's succession. Don't you see?

You just picture Howie Long being a monster. And there's another Long, too. There's another Long kid. A lot of Longs. I think he's in scouting. This was, what do we got, Jackie? Weird one, but this was Howie Long's 59th birthday. Wow.

The day of the game. Howie Long's 59th birthday? He looks great. He looks, dude, Howie Long, 59th birthday. Wow. The day of the game. Howie Long's 59th birthday. He looks great. He looks... Dude, Howie Long, he's had a... I mean, can we get Howie on the show? Screw the Suns, man. He's the rock star.

Instead of a game, let's watch Broken Arrow and have Howie Long on the show. Wasn't he in another one? He was in a couple movies. Firestarter. Firestarter. Let's get Howie Long and John Travolta on together. Let's make it happen.

I think we can make that happen. Or was that Christian Slater? Or was it both of them? Both. Slater and Travolta. That's a 90s heater. That's a 90s heater. Travolta was on a kick.

Boy. That was right after Pulp Fiction. Yeah. Face off. Because he was dying for a while, and then Pulp Fiction re-got him. Thank you, Tarantino, for bringing back travolta parky went on the today show after the double doink that's that's why are you doing a press tour after that that's that's brutal that's one of those kind of games where you uh want to hide for a while yeah why are you going on the today what are you going to

horn and finkel you might have to change was did matt lauer say uh don't worry things are about to get way worse for me than they are for you i don't know oh and now this is the part of the show where we go to the gaming corner presented by WinBet. The relevant betting lines. The spread. Chicago minus six and a half. Six and a half. You know how many points that is in the league? That's a lot.

That's pretty much a blowout if you're getting that many points on a spread. People did not believe in this Eagles team. They didn't. Well, they were like that. They had to win to get in, in right they had to win to get in a couple times yeah that that nfc east has always got like a uh seven and ten or a seven and nine team that sneaks in and they're always giants i feel like they're always in the nfc east they are yeah they really are the giants and and philly have done it twice that division is always a bloodbath bloodbath yeah finals

over and under 49 that was clearly under this was a defense a stout field position game once again the Bears punter was doing very good what we got Jackie weirdly 11 plays

of 15 yards or more in this game even though it went way under the total wow 11 explosion plays and they still didn't get close to the under or over what should we do for the prop bet this week once again guys our prop bet that we always have during our interview, me and Sam, Sam and I, we go over something that we can do, say, have the interviewee say, and we make like a line on it, right? Am I explaining this right? How about this? Can we get Julian to say, brother versus brother, fighting for daddy's love? How many times can we get him to say that? Will that ruin the interview?

No, I think I can get that. You can get that out? I think I can get that. Brother versus brother, fighting for daddy's love. Can we get that twice? Can we say it two times on the interview? I think I'll take the over. I'm taking the over on that. What are you taking? Are you taking the under? I'm taking the over. I think you can pull it one. I think, yeah, I'll take the over. I'm taking the over on that.

What are you taking? Are you taking the under? I'm taking the over. I think you can pull it off. I believe in you. All right. We're gonna hear from Chris Long and Kyle Long, but before that, let's take a quick break.

Welcome, fellas, to Games With Names. We got Chris and Kyle, my favorite Long, other than Howie Long. I mean, Howie's a bronze medal. Still pretty good. But what'd you say? The bronze medal. If I get the bronze medal in the Long family, you know, if you like me.

Well, actually, like, isn't there a scouting brother? There's a scouting brother, too. Yeah. He's got the long play there, too. I'm off the podium. Yeah. for it yeah he's got the long he's got the long play there too i'm off the podium yeah so we're joined here with chris long my dear friend former teammate two-time super bowl champ second pick overall in the 2008 draft which means he got paid a boatload of money they didn't have that cap thing

on so this man has made a lot of money walter payton man of the year in 2018 chris was that am i right yeah sounds about right this guy's got a water a water charity where he feeds and delivers water to countries across the world quench quench quench you know we quench we quench the thirst of these people and he's the host of the green light an amazing podcast we're also joined by his studly brother a man that i worked out with in 2012 when he was coming out for the draft he he went and played baseball first committed to florida state decided for some odd reason we'll leave it at that that he didn't want to play baseball, wanted to use that 6'6", frame, 312 pounds of solid muscle to try to play in the National Football League

as a professional lineman to block people like his brother. Dear friend, he was drafted 20... When were you drafted, bro? Just 20. You had it. Exactly. He was drafting really good. I was 20, which was well above where my dad had fooled me into thinking I was going to go. 20, you can do the doubter tweets on draft day. Dad had me convinced I was a fourth rounder.

Yeah. What did you get drafted? Dad had me convinced I should play offensive line in college. I mean, he's not an idiot. He's a very humbling figure in many ways. We weren't as lucky as you. We didn't get to have the ball in our hands, Jules. So we had to be – everything was dictated by a guy who had his hand in the dirt from day one.

And when he saw us kind of hit puberty, he was like, oh, yeah, Chris, you're going to be this. Kyle, you're going to be this. Yeah, he had us slotted. Yeahberty he was like oh yeah chris uh you're gonna be this kyle you're gonna be this yeah he had us slotted yeah well that's good you guys know you guys know why we have you on on here to what we're talking about games with names no idea games with names what's the game the double doink game do you guys remember this i am very well versed in the double doink game yeah yeah yeah i remember that game, Kyle. We're going to take a look at some games that we played in together

and we are going to discuss from our perspectives how things were going. Is this the premise of the show? This is the premise of the show. Games with names, guys. This is the double doink game. We want to get your inside perspective. I'm happy to talk about it. What's the first thought you you have from that game what's the first thing that comes in your mind

honestly it was talking to your buddy uh the the um the lineman that was lined up for field goal block because okay the way this thing went down was we drilled trubisky on like a third down backed up and he hit this beautiful throw. A floater over the middle of the field between the hashes. And now they're set up to win the game. And our team's pretty good, but we weren't sure that we were going to beat the Bears. It was a really tough environment.

They're lining up for a field goal. This game's about over. I think my career is pretty much over. And your guy across the line from for me i can't remember his name was like hey man think about it you'll be on vacation next week it's all good and he was really trying to cheer me up we need his name so let me let me give you my 10 seconds later right that you know we're looking up at this thing floating and doinking and doinking again. And the thing I remember and I'll never forget was getting to the locker room and hearing from Trayvon Hester, who's an unheralded guy, unsigned cat.

He was on special teams, that he tipped the ball. And none of us knew that. We thought Parkey is his name, right? Yeah. That he just plain shanked it. But Trayvon Hester got a hand on it we didn't learn until we got into the locker room but by then parky was like already on the hit list of 10 000 bears unfortunately for cody parky he's going to be infamous in the city of chicago

because of the fact that as we all know fans are educated but they aren't phd educated in the situation they're not going to understand the nuance of a tipped ball that doesn't go on the stat sheet but in film when you look at it on monday you're gonna see it we're all gonna know he probably could have hit it more square though probably true i mean yeah it's 43 yards in december in chicago it's it's a bitch you know it was 43 uh it was a longer field goal it was not i thought it was i don't i don't think it was 43. It was like 37. Check it out. Google it. Yeah, I mean, you could be. Matt, check it out.

But you're expecting him to make that. Well, I mean, at that point, we had put ourselves in position to win the game. It was 40. It was what? It was that big country. It was 43. It was that big country-ass dude that you play with. It was Brad Sowell. Brad Sowell. Brad Sowell was like, hey, man, it's going to be all right. what it was that big country it was that big country ass dude that you play with it was the

country brad sowell brad sowell was like so hey man it's gonna be all right man you're gonna be on vacation next year you're gonna be in turks and cacos next week big boy i'm thinking the fucking mosquitoes i have a lot of practice at going on vacation early for most of my career so i mean that guy sounds like will ferrell on eastbound and Down. Ashley fucking Schaefer. What I remember vividly is a sense of guilt that I had because my teammate was taking a beating nationally in the media and locally in the media. And there were drives in that game as an offensive lineman where I didn't finish a block.

I let off. It wasn't a championship effort for whatever reason. You know, there are plays that you always want to have back. Even in Super Bowl wins, Jules, there are plays that you wish you could have back. Always. Chris wishes he could have back. And unfortunately, that game happened to be a loss for me.

And it happened because of the parky kick. But I know that there were four-minute drives, opportunities to bury the Eagles, and we didn't take advantage. And that's how it goes. You know, whenever you win a game or you lose a game, you never think about the things you did well. You always think about the things you didn't do well. Like, I don't know if that was ever your case, Chris. Always.

Did you ever think that? Always. Always, right? You're always thinking about the worst stuff. I got a quick question. Did mom come to the game? She did. Did she have the split jersey?

Split jersey. She did? She had split jersey. She had the cool, tacky embroidered jackets that I still make fun of to this day. With the gemstones and shit? Gemstone denim. No, Meg's anti-gemstones. I've seen the pictures, Chris.

Meg did not have a bedazzled oh chris oh how much you want to bet let's put a hundred bucks on it right now put your baby on it i don't put children i don't want the baby was your was your was your dad there yeah dad was there because i vividly remember after the game ashton kutcher ashton kutcher so ashton kutcher was at the game because he's a huge bears fan the biggest but i gotta tell you ashton kutcher takes shit like harder than the players bro like ashton kutcher was in the tunnel like it was like nice to meet you ashton he was like oh well fuck my life's over and i'm like dude like my brother just fucking i didn't get to meet him because

i was so i got he was he's a big time guy and i was kind of like i was bummed out too yeah well he was spoke to him because you're cool that's hilarious that ashton kutcher said my life is over he didn't say that his eyes said that his eyes said that you know and it's kind of like as a football player like you're like my brother just got his heart ripped out bro like you're gonna be good and we're all standing there dapping it up right like in the tunnel the buses are all there hanging out and it's the end of the season so yeah i hated that I hated that for you because y'all's team was pretty good. You were probably, I don't know, a little bit. It wasn't a good matchup with the Eagles team because of your defensive front.

You guys had a very stout and skilled defensive front with the spearhead of it being Fletcher Cox. I mean, I had to deal with that. You want Fletcher Cox to be the spearhead. He likes Cox being spearheaded you cocks goes in first speary cocks both your legs are incredible you're making me feel terrible about my physique right look at that holy crap look at those calves they go all the way up hey that's just they go all the way they're

fighting for daddy's love yeah just like brother we're in versus brother fighting for daddy's love. Brother versus brother fighting for daddy's love. Yeah, exactly. Jules, you get it. He gets it. No, honestly, I'm good. Dad loves me. I'm good.

Dad loves you. We're good. We don't need to fight over dad's love. We're never going to be Hall of Famers, though. No, we're not going to be Hall of Famers. Is there a tech thread with you, you two and your dad after the game, or do you text each other like

how soon afterwards you guys talk you go first because yours are different the dealings with our dad my dad wears many hats for me because he is my he was my best man at my wedding he's my best friend um you see how he's trying to win that he goes he was my best friend he was my best man at my wedding i have two no seriously though and chris chris can attest to this here's what he did this is pretty funny let me finish you'll finish and then i got i got a bomb chris can attest to this because i love dad and he'll talk to me like a friend and then he'll talk to me like a rigid coach the night before with a 96 has chopped spin inside third step watch stutter underneath from 92 be careful around piles around 56 he's a dickhead that'll be like chris you know he'll be texting me about chris with his number without even

he did that like stuff like that you know not that you're a dickhead but stuff along those lines and then after the game it's a really good blend of get the coaching out of the way quick and then how are you doing like how are you feeling how's your body do you need anything from me i can fly somebody out to work on you tomorrow like that kind of stuff jules yeah you know that that's that's a good dad he's a great dad who got the text first did you get so does kyle gets the text first because kyle i mean i text him first too if i was out of the well yeah i mean because you like him more and so does my dad but also but also the fact that kyle's the the younger guy and kyle's like respectfully like you're you're younger than me and i'm a child i've been there i've been through it and dad's like i you know

kind of that oldest son thing it was like i don't worry as much about chris you were born in the forest son yeah like like you you know so i think kyle being younger and were born in the forest, son. You're going to be all right. Like, you know, so I think Kyle being younger and coming up in the league and not having the same, you know, kind of experience I had, like Kyle was definitely getting the scouting reports first, but here's what's fucked up. I didn't make dad my best man, and you knew that,

and then you did that, like to try to cuck me. It wasn't a cuck move. You cucked me, bro. It wasn't intentional. I was probably baked as fuck when I made the decision. Guys, guys, it's just brothers versus brothers fighting for daddy's love. I never thought about that until now. I was probably on a golf course, and I got a text from my wife that said,

you need to narrow down your list, and you need to get who the fuck is coming to this wedding. Pick a best man. And I'm like, how? Put your finger anywhere on this picture. Let's get into this game. Let's get into this game, guys. Sorry. So defensive battle into this game, guys. Sorry. Defensive battle.

Yes. First quarter. I mean, no real big highlights. You guys are just kind of going back and forth. There's a couple field goals here. Parkey actually made some decent field goals before the double doink. Yeah. So, like, going into this thing.

He was three for three right right before that i think he was nails yeah it's three for three nobody talks about that you know no one talks about that no one talks about that you guys are 12 and four this year because of the ending no one talks about you know i know it's the shot no one talks about what he had for breakfast he talked about it on good morning america but you know't watch it. Yeah, he did talk about it on Good Morning America. He did go on Good Morning America. I didn't watch. Yeah, he had a whole tour.

Was this the best defense, though? Because the Bears weren't supposed to be anything this year. You guys had a second-year quarterback, first-year coach, and Nagy. And watching this game, Mitch didn't look that bad. He looked pretty good. He was making some throws. The defense, was it the best defense you've played with in your career? It was the best defense that I have practiced against and played with, yeah.

Absolutely. How so? I would say the polarity of the front with Khalil Mack on one side, with Leonard Floyd on the other, with Akeem Hicks anchoring the interior, with an unheralded run stopper by the name of Eddie Goldman, who was an absolute world beater on first and second down on inside run. The second level was Danny Trevathan, and I believe it was Roquan Smith's rookie year.

On the back end, you had Kyle Fuller on one side. You had Prince of Mookamara on the other. On the back end, had uh kyle fuller on the on on one side you had prince on the other on the back end you had eddie jackson who was out of alabama and he was an all pro he was putting up better than ed reed numbers from a productivity standpoint in that year i'm not saying he's better than ed reed yeah he wasn't tackling like ed reed in that year he was putting up numbers like ed reed it was fabulous to watch and and then we played the eagles and they were more physical defensively and that was the the thing that did us in now did you go into this game did you have in the back of your head like because the eagles

every year that you know in the afc or nfc east they're always sneaking in. They beat up each other all throughout that division. And then some guy, some team comes in 9-7, ends up going on a run just like they did the year before. Did you guys have that in the back of your mind? Like, oh, this team's actually pretty good. Because you guys had the game in control somewhat. We truly believe that it was our destiny to not only win that game but win out i mean we were thinking there's nobody that our defense can't stop and to a certain degree that was true the thing that

ended up uh biting us was we were a little bit cute and uh gotta have it situations the whole stadium knows you're gonna run the ball we got a little bit cute at certain times and turnovers and a lot of coaches and a lot of coaches are guilty of that nowadays it's not a one guy thing um and we didn't execute in in the four minute situation and i'd love to discuss it further here because i haven't rehashed it since we were well what did we what did we not do right in the four minute situation what was the situation to explain situational football to us you know you know when they say i don't remember uh what you said but i remember how it made me feel um that is how i feel about my girlfriend says that yeah that's the four minute situation

uh in a nutshell to me i haven't gone back and watched the game but it was one of those things where you're walking off the field and the punt team's coming on the field and you're thinking that was the opportunity that we just pissed down our leg and now the eagles are going to celebrate in our field and they did they had their ski masks on the 50 yards like ski masks the dvs jules doesn't like some of this stuff it was terrible stuff it was terrible what do you mean i don't like that kind of stuff well let me finish we're in the game here we're doing games with names here jules i gotta stick to the game i'm just saying but he doesn't like the dog mask thing. Dude, I mean, I hear you, bro.

The mask stuff. But here's the deal. You guys did the club dub thing. Here's the rule in pro football. If you have a thing and you get beat, people might do your thing. But ours is in the locker room. Well, we did it in our locker room. On our 50-yard line.

Maybe we did it on the 50-yard line, too. See, that says bs i'm still calling bs well maybe you guys can get us back next time emotional damage um no i just thought kyle's an extremely physical player he always was and when we played them i just didn't think they were physical up front and i said that outright i don't say that often but i kind of said it because i was kind of pissed off for kyle because i was like they have good players but their scheme wasn't physical like they just didn't have a physical like kind of said it because I was kind of pissed off for Kyle because I was like, they have good players, but their scheme wasn't physical. They just didn't have a physical kind of way about them.

Yeah, because as you know, Jules, your scheme is going to dictate how the personnel plays sometimes. If you reinforce things through scheme, guys are going to be what you want them to be, and I just didn't feel like they were physical in the run game enough. Now Kyle is because kyle if we had the same uh running plan that we did two three years prior when we had jordan howard in the backfield he was a he was a pro bowl running back uh behind myself josh sitting bobby massey it was a cody white hair it was it was a really good interior three tough group and there was nobody that we couldn't line up on and and ace and deuce you know i'm

saying there there was nobody that we couldn't do that to we didn't have that in 2018 the listener what's an ace so an ace block and a deuce block are examples of combination blocks in a gap scheme play so you've often heard the term power in the running game power is where there is a pulling guard and the guard is right next to the center he pulls to the opposite a gap and he swipes a a match off he strikes a match off of the deuce tight to the deuce and he hits the linebacker and that should spring the running back um who is being sometimes led block by a fullback sometimes not jewels these are these are personnel discussions for you um but i i think uh power schemes deuces and aces are a staple in every run game you watch in the

nfl sometimes you see power with no pullers uh it's the same concept it's just two deuces instead of one deuce and a puller that would do um that's what the cowboys that's harder for the running back too right zach martin travis frederick made that famous in dallas and guys like emmett smith uh patient runners have made a living uh being visionaries uh quite literally with their eyes and and seeing things and hitting the holes with patience and i think you know uh as far as like a defense is concerned we'd rather have like a standard power because i'd rather you know be able to see what the puller's doing, have a tell that way. Strength of the play.

Yeah, and a team like Dallas who can run that either way with a really good back is really tough to defend. And a lot of teams now, so that's gap. A lot of teams now are running this zone stuff weak. So they line up three tight ends on the right side, Sam. God, I hate it. Numbers. They line up three tight ends on the right side, Sam. God, I hate it. Numbers. They line up three tight ends on the right side,

and they pound the right side, pound the right side, and then on the third play, they fake it. They roll out with a Mitch Trubisky-type guy or a Baker Mayfield who can get outside the pocket and launch it downfield. I don't know if Baker's arm is quite there right now. I don't know who he's going to be. Definitely not our guy Tua in Miami.

Okay. Okay. Let's not. Okay. these people down here fucking you know they're on bath salts tweeting me about to miami new york 2.0 anyways no two where's baker right now what team is in he's still with the browns technically technically complaining in cleveland and i i don't blame him yeah i wouldn't i mean that's gotta i know deshaun watson good, but that's got to hurt.

That's definitely got to hurt. I heard their second string is Harvey Weinstein. So that's really got to hurt. But I don't know what he'll be playing. But I got to ask you, Chris, because, you know, this team with the Eagles now, once they miss that field goal, are you thinking like Foles? He's our guy again. We're going to do it again. Is that in your mind?

Like this is meant to be the way they missed it's interesting because jules like you've been through this i think one of the things that makes the pats great is it's not that they're great any given year it's that they're going to be great every year they're going to figure out a way to be great every year like and that takes a lot you could tell just by being there one year and then like more specifically when i first got to defend a championship, because I never got to defend one in New England, like, you realize the challenges of coming back and doing it again

because there are so many outside distractions. There's so many guys that just got the bag, whether it's on the field, off the field, they got paid. There's so many guys that just became stars. You know, like, winning a Super Bowl, it's like, you know, it makes all these little became stars you know like winning a super bowl it's like it's like you know it makes all these little kings you know like all these guys are walking around like all of a sudden we're hot i saw that in kansas city you know what i mean yeah and so and that's not saying anybody in particular wasn't ready you know more than anybody else but it's just a general vibe

and uh and it's and now go ahead jules well it's it's it's very tough people don't realize when you become the sheriff you're everyone's most wanted everyone's superbowls each week when you're the defending superbowl champions and we're seeing that you know everyone wants to say you know we got dynasties coming here and there and that's why it's hard so hard to repeat because people get paid off of beating your team after you win a Super Bowl. Coaches get paid for beating your team after you win a Super Bowl. And that target is hard to play because the league is so fucking smart. You guys know that.

Everyone can scheme for everyone. Everyone's got good players. Teams are literally constructed now to beat teams. I know the bill the bills quite literally were chasing the bills were chasing the chiefs and then the and they almost had them changed you know it's like yeah you know it's like an arms race it's like in the nfc west when when you've got kittle and then they draft the kid in arizona who who's who's the clemson kid that's supposed to be able to cover him like Like you make these picks in division now to defend players.

You alter your scheme and division to beat a team. Anyways, I just think what Jules said is really true. And I didn't realize it fully like people tell you, but until you experience it in 2018, that was one of the hardest years for me. And I've been on one and 15 and two and 14 teams like my whole career, Sam. So like this was the first eight years of my career and nobody watched us play like bad teams, bro.

So yeah, Kyle's like, I knew about it. Not consistently. I was in rehab watching. So anyways, this fucking, this year was tough. We were like four and four at one point or four and, you know, we were, the city and Philly's really tough. Like Philly, they're hard on you oh there i remember i did a gig in philly recently i'm at a diner the way he puts the thing down goes

go eagles like that's how intense they are yeah in philly that i remember i got this was me i'm a giants fan so i remember buying a on the street they were like you know those guys selling those shirts that trash the other teams i got an eagle sucks shirt so dumb i am i didn't check it it says eagles sucks no not eagle suck eagle sucks now i just look like a moron when i wear it so so basically the the shirt is sold to make you look like an idiot which is genius yeah i got duped by probably a philly fan that's so great they're the best fans this guy doesn't know grammar look at this they're the best fans ever for shit like that like they're the best fans this guy doesn't know grammar look at this they're the best fans ever for shit like that like they're just childish in a good way and then like and that year but like we saw the other side of it you know you come off that honeymoon where nick foals has a statue doug

peterson's a legend all this stuff and like you see how quickly it changes nick foals has a book in my locker and shit like that but you know carson wentz comes back he's he's not himself he was never himself after those injuries he's still trying to find his way but um nick came in again late in the season for carson and uh steady we really rallied around him like we had to win a couple low scoring ball games late in the season we go in and we play um we play the saints after that game in fact and i gotta say had we beaten the saints and jules knows like it makes nothing for you to say what if but like we were we we could have played with them i'm not saying we could have beat them but that's like that's how tantalizingly close you

are and we we went to new orleans in a game that we lost early in the season down in new orleans 47 to 7 sean payton ran the fucking score up on us. I don't blame him. But then the second game we come back, this is how much our team changed and we really had him beat. Alshon Jeffery drops a ball and two minute drill. We're going into scoring and go on to play

in the NFC championship and it's picked off and that's the end. I didn't play another. It was in the red area of the drop? It was in the red area. I mean the ball is one of those like right in his chest. It's like low red. You know, so anyways, and it wasn't just that.

They had a fake punt and shit like that. But it just goes to show you how much a team has to adjust and change because you're almost shell-shocked when you come out of the gate. You're like, fuck, this is really hard. We're 500. People hate us. And then if you're good enough and tough enough, which we were, we found a way to get back on the horse, but not quite enough. What a night that was.

That's the NFL season, though. Like you said earlier on in the year, explaining to Sam, you lose to a team 40-whatever to seven. When you play them in the playoffs, it's a completely different team. The team in those first four to six weeks is learning what their team can do well. Then those next five, six weeks, then what their team can do well. Then those next like five, six weeks, then you're sharpening those things for the end of the run. And then you go and see what it gets you in the playoffs. Now with the butterfly effect for you, Kyle,

after this game, I know it was a little, I mean, it was a shit storm in Chicago about Parky, good morning, America, this, that, but did you guys have some kind of confidence going into the next year? Like, hey, we got Mitchell Cherbisky. We're going to have a second-year head coach, Matt Nagy, who we didn't expect. You guys weren't expected to go 12-4 and be in the playoffs that year. Like, were you guys confident? My next real memory of that offseason was the Walter Payton Man of the Year,

the NFL Honors. I went to watch Chris accept his award, and Matt Nagy accepted Coach of the Year, and I ran into Matt at the bar. And I really like Matt Nagy. I've said some salty things about Matt Nagy, but I fucking love the guy. I would have blocked my ass off for him, and that tells you everything you need to know about him. I think the double doink got us all into our heads a bit and you could see it when you return for voluntary uh you know everybody was there for voluntary stuff obviously as well as

like i'm gonna exaggerate i'm gonna say 30 kickers for rookie minicamp showed up and the only kicks that they took the only fucking kicks that they took were from the 43 yard line oh my god and i'm telling you or whatever it was 43 yard lines uh oh yeah 37 thank you this could have been a reality show by the way this could have been like and all the vets are sitting all the vets are there like guys we're good we are good team we do we just got to forget about it just flush it you know what i mean just flush it i remember the opening meeting was uh about it yeah but that's the whole thing it's like you got to move on but here's the thing dude and it's the same fucking thing with superbowl is it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy and coaches don't know

how to handle this how to make people forget about something you don't make people forget about something by saying forget about this guy just hand us a bunch of weed and say see you guys in july for camp just flush it i always did did yeah kyle did i mean uh chris did bill ever make you forget about anything i mean did he train got and maybe that works because like i don't remember i think he fucking got you well did belichick make you forget well if belichick did a good thing of like knowing when knowing his team if his team was doing well he would cut you down if his team wasn't doing too well like in the super bowl in 16 he wasn't in there raw and he was in there like hey guys we need to do this this this like he can read the vibe of a team which i think that's huge and he's

he does preach that like short memory shit all the time like it doesn't matter if you do good or bad it's it's on to the next play But it doesn't happen by raving about, you know, like when we came back in 18, everybody in the building, we had like banners that were like, forget about it. Kind of things like that. I'm not saying they were like, forget about it as explicitly, but like, I can't. It's fucking hanging above the cafeteria that I'm supposed to forget about this thing. And now I'm walking in and we're all and everybody's tight in the ass because they're like you're expecting that we're gonna have this super bowl hangover because the first meeting of the year is hey it's about all these teams that have them we're not gonna have that and we're gonna do it by forgetting that's not good and it's the same thing with the double

doing thing or coming back after a tough thing football is like short memory and you said it bill was real good at this like bill coming at the half people are always like man that speech must have been fucking crazy 28 3 i'm like yeah in a movie dude bill was just down there like telling us what plays we fucked up and how we were going to get back in the game and and that was it well to any woman listening that pays to have a short memory maybe get over things yeah it does but also for the for the men, too. I want to be really fair. Sure, sure. But none of us are having sex with men.

So mostly for the women. I feel like Bill's first few words when he walked in the locker, like, you know, everybody's sitting in there waiting for coach. And Sam, like, these guys will echo this. It's quiet. It's kind of awkward. The offense is on one side. The defense is on the other.

There's a whiteboard for each segment of the team. the team and the kickers are in the shower like you know beating their dicks or whatever and so the offense and the defense are in there looking at which plays they liked which plays they didn't and then the head coach comes in from the back with like head of security right you know uh and i feel like the door swings open and bill belichick you guys are down a shit ton of points and he's just like all right everybody chill the fuck out i mean that was kind of it i mean and that literally we've had coaches that we've all had coaches that bust in and door flies open and it's loud and there's a fucking sharpie flying we're still in this bag yeah dude okay well i'm not convinced because you're having a conniption right now you see bill is an information guy he's gonna give you the information that he thinks you need to do better i mean but do you

ever remember in like team meetings when he would hit the he would hit the like thing i always like i sat so close i thought like he would break his hand because he would hit it so hard when he's going over a point and we gotta fucking fucking block. We got to tackle. He was karate chopping that fucking podium, dude. I just used to sit in that meeting so afraid. I've never drank so much fucking coffee in my life than when I lived in New England.

Because I just didn't want to fall asleep in meetings or be late to anything or whatever because it's very unique in New England. I've played a bunch of places under a bunch of coaches i mean or st louis a bunch of coaches but nobody ever met with the whole team as much as bill did and the pressure and the like paying attention to the head coach you know as he breaks down uh you know game film from sunday usually that's done sam in separate

you know rooms where the coordinator is going to take defense offense is going to go over here no no no accountability and that really ups the accountability because listen I really care what Jules thinks about how I played Jules probably cares about how I thought he played like that's that's a layer of accountability that you don't get it's also teachable moments that you know if I'm sitting in the defensive line room and I don't hear what he says to a special teams guy or to an offensive guy i can't learn that lesson from my seat and i think that's one of the biggest things in football is like you better learn from other people's mistakes too and you better know what's going on in the building you better know the temperature and everybody knew the temperature and people like tom got it from bill people like jules i

saw jules get it so bad one time that shit was so funny i don't know jules it was a stealers game or something but it was fucking so funny because i was like here's one of your best players here's a guy who's been here a long time here's a guy who's a fucking legend in new england and bill doesn't care you know because today it's about do you remember what he said can we share it or i mean jules go ahead i don't care i i mean it was i don't remember exactly i kind of i don't even remember i was i was back in the back row flinching it was something like it was like it was yeah i was like in the back like i fumble a ball that game yeah he i think he fumbled a ball and jules and he did the whole like we get it jules

you know it's all about you and all this shit and fucking just laid into him and obviously everybody in the room knows it's not all about Jules and we know that Jules is a great teammate and will go to the wall for us but you know Jules makes a mistake and what that does is that provides a kid who's the 52nd man on the roster an opportunity to learn from a mistake without him getting yelled at in front of the room. Jules can take it. Tom can take it. You know, like guys that have been there can take it. And you got that idea real quick was like, Bill's really fucking smart about chewing people out. He's not going to crush somebody that's not ready to take that coaching. He uses guys like Tom or

Gronk or Jules or, you know, you know know you know soldier somebody has been there a while that uh he can get after and you got to learn from that yeah that's interesting yeah he's a great football coach that's a great coach there yeah what were the differences in the super bowl run in new england versus philly like what pluses minuses there's so much funner in philly see that, that's the only the only fun in Philly. Only Patriots fans are hung up on this and Patriots are hung up on this. You think all the championships they won, they'd worry about them fucking themselves. We get to like drink and eat and like our meetings and like. No one said that.

No one said. Here's the thing, Jules. I got a teammate. We smile in practice. What is it? Where did this come from? Who said that? Lane Johnson.

What did he say? He said, I will. He was on part of my take my take, which you know the deal on part of my take. They want you to say something. They try to walk you into saying something. And Lane essentially said that he would rather have fun and win one Super Bowl than win five and have no fun. Obviously, Lane thought the option was still open for us to win another four you know so he was just saying i like i like the philly way of doing things and i think there's

this patriot way that gets blown out of proportion like it's so fucking scary and and tense up there like the coolest guys play for that team man there's some great teammates we had a lot of fun dude the biggest difference for me was just you know you're a part of something new in philly what do you say meetings meetings yeah the difference is the fucking meetings and walkthroughs i mean it's a lot but we had a hell of fun we had a ton of fun so much fun when you were there that was a great year chris was but i hear what i hear what he's saying i mean philly hadn't won forever that's the fun part it's like patriots it Patriots, it's a dynasty.

It's a dynasty. And like, listen, admittedly, you know, my role in New England was... I was more of a role player. You know, the first couple games of the year, I played a bunch of snaps and the defense changed a little bit and I became kind of like doing some other stuff. And that was totally fine. But when I got to Philly, I was doing kind of what I love to do. So it was a lot of fun for me in Philly for a lot of different reasons and a lot of fun in New England.

Every program is fucking different. And people freak out about this thing. New England is one of two very unique programs in the NFL. And they've also had an opportunity to build their culture over 20 years because of that guy, Tom Brady and Bill and guys like Jules. And so that's a unique opportunity.

Guys like you, Chris, that come in for a cup of coffee and get a Super Bowl. Cup of coffee and I'm out. You get a Super Bowl. that's a unique opportunity. Chris, not come in and get a cup of coffee and get a super cup of coffee. And I'm out. You get a super bowl. There's a different energy though. In Philly. I mean like new England, Boston,

they got accustomed to winning too much in every sport. And then in Philly, the dude ate horse poop. Like there's a different, no one's eating horse poop in Boston because they're spoiled. Yeah, they are spoiled. They're a spoiled fan base who would never eat horse. Can you admit thatules that that new england if you're a 17 year old all those little

17 year old kids that you meet with tom brady jerseys on and shaggy hair and nantucket nectars in their pockets the all those fucking me wrong all those fucking kids are spoiled and no offense to them but they've been sports fans they've been been spoiled. Maybe a Drew Bledsoe wearing Patriots fan would have eaten horse poop, but the Tom Brady fans, never. I feel that way about Chicago. I feel that way about Chicago to a certain extent when I got there with Michael Jordan and then Patrick Kane. The Blackhawks were winning every year.

They were at the top of the town in every sport. That kind of raises some pressure for you as other teams doesn't it dude like everyone like the socks one is when the socks won a world series or the celtics they won or the bruins won and you felt like a you know he wouldn't know that his team hasn't New York hasn't won well hey that's a fucking that's a pretty good run in the 90s but it was you know like it gives you that pressure i hear you with the bears haven't won since the 80s right it's 85 85 bears it was the january of 86 but you get that basketball pressure like i think like you look at pittsburgh the pirates fans are starved it doesn't matter if the steelers win like i think every sport does carry its own weight you know

when i was in st louis the only time we ever felt pressure was when the cardinals won the world series because there would be more people in the stadium because they would be getting honored at halftime that was it so like I can tell you that it doesn't always work that way but yeah in a city of like champions and shit yeah like Boston's had this great thing going and if you're 17 and you're a Boston fan you're fucking spoiled welcome to like the real world now and say brady needs it man how about that st louis uh pizza that with that proval cheese that that's where do you stand on that i hate that shit emos it's pretty bad right yeah dude i can admit that and that's another thing they want you to buy into all their customs where you where you play like i don't know jules

probably buys into all the boston customs i love lobster kid who doesn't like i love lobster kid yeah but that's lobster chowder than chowder is good chowder is good toasted ravioli is pretty fucking good though sam the what toasted ravioli is pretty fucking good it's good but we're going we're putting it against lobster yeah no question it just occurred to me that if i played for the red sox me and jules would have been best friends in bean town we would have just been fucking we were on the verge of becoming but can you imagine like if i was a left-handed pitcher both skaters i just my dream was to be the american shohei otani in boston that would have been really cool but it's way i'm a football player and i'm retired now tony dude when i first met kyle i see this like six foot six 330 pound guy college about to go to oregon about to go to oregon

and i saw him do the ladder drill i'm like this motherfucker is about to be a beast just off the ladder drill the first thing i saw him do he could do a ladder drill and these these linemen have good feet but he had such great quick feet at like 330 like what the fuck are you doing pitching why were you ever pitching at that point because he was good at it because he's fucking he's like a you know he's got magic powers dude like anything ping pong how fast were you throwing i forgot about that uh in height i mean probably in like 2007 i was like 96 97 from the left side whoa and you were drafted with the white socks right yeah my dad told him don't draft him he's going to college i was a 20th draft 20th round draft pick uh so they did take a shot they

gave me a good signing option and i said no my dad and i said no and mom yeah and i went to florida state i had a dui before the spring how about the yankees chris picked me up okay so the yankees came in town to work him out in high school. Before school. Before school. It was like school was later or something that day, and Kyle had an 8 a.m. workout with the Yankees. And Kyle, would you come to the top of the stairs?

You had overslept. Dad goes, hey, Kyle. And I come to the top of the stairs. He goes, Yankees just called. They just left. You overslept. and what did i do you go kyle looks down supposedly from the stairs and was like no and and there was like a solid 45 seconds of kyle going no and dad going yes just looking up the stairs going yes you fucked it up

and it was like he drugged you the night before he didn't want you playing for the yankees you know what i could absolutely see that guy yeah he's a boston guy he's a boston guy he gave you nyquil he is a townie and i probably gave you nyquil a couple times he loves the red socks um no howie kyle was kyle was the best he's the best i'm not exaggerating one of the best athletes i've ever played with or seen your sweetheart no i'm not a sweetheart i'm just being real, dude. I can agree. I'm the ladder drill.

Athlete. I knew you were going to be an eight-year pro after I saw the ladder drill. I've never done the ladder drill since, Jules, so I appreciate you. I haven't either. Wink, wink. All right, let's bring this back to the double doink. Any last thoughts on the double doink? You guys got anything else afterwards?

A quick story, this, that? Nothing on the double doink? Anything on the double doink any last thoughts on the double doink you guys got anything else afterwards a quick story this that nothing on the double doink anything on the double doink oh yeah the ride home from the double doink i set the fire alarm off in the plane which is not a good thing so so we we can vape on our plane a little bit like we were doing a little vaping there jules you know in the back and uh you know like exactly i had hit the pen a little too hard maybe you know because the fire alarm wasn't going off for a while there and then i went in the bathroom everybody was asleep i go back to sit in my chair and all of a sudden it's like bing bing bing like 1 a.m on the way home from double doink bro it's the only time our guy dom our security guy who i could do no wrong in his eyes actually looked like he wanted to kill me so thank god we won that game

because i would have done the same damn thing had we lost it and that would i'm surprised you guys were asleep i heard on cody parky's flight uh back he hit the pen and he just missed setting up you know it's funny it's funny we were at home so he was on the first thing smoking to the studio in new york actually his agent was on the phone call that that evening i'm sure cody to get to gma yeah he got to tell his side of the story i thought it was super fucking unfair that there's actually his agent was on the phone call that that evening i'm sure cody to get to gma yeah he got to tell his side of the story i thought it was super fucking unfair that there's all these chicago fans with their hot dogs and their mustard they were just screaming about him like sending him death threats and trayvon hester blocked that kick i just want people to know that

hell of a play he did he did what were you thinking so they iced him before he he he hit it and they called a timeout so he didn't count they iced him he drilled it he hit it so what do you think and then the ball was flying true off of the hand the supposed tip which i didn't notice and the ball was flying true it hit and then it bounced internally so it's like oh it's still forward momentum it's going inside the upright it's still forward momentum. It's going inside the upright. It's good. And then it went dong dong. It was really, yeah, it was more of a dong than a doink. It was like dong. You know, it was like.

That church bell, like when there's about to be a shootout in the old western town where you hear that one church bell. And then it's like somebody's about to die here. Two means that Cody Parkey's about to die. We should rename the game the dong game. Double dong. The long dong. The double dong game the double dong the long dong the double dong long dong this is the long dong game because there's two longs yeah and there's two dongs i used to walk by chris all the time and he'd always say they didn't call my name's not chris long for a reason all right wait is that double negative it

definitely couldn't have been a double negative i didn't double negative equals a positive he's a penis thing i didn't get that gene his middle name is thickened no dude no dude the naming kids is hard when you have last name long like it is you know a really big Willie Nelson fan that's off the table Willie long you know like that's a lot of pressure you gotta live up to that it's really hard to name a kid with the last name long so my my dad just uh named one of us howie the third waited until the third one and he named howie howie yeah that's great yeah that's that's the real long he works for the raiders right or something he's awesome scout right yeah

he was a scout he was in scouting for eight years and he's awesome yeah scout right yeah he was in scout he was in scouting for eight years and he's been selling premium seating for their new venues since they started the planning stages and the guy is a monster he will sell fucking salt to a slug dude and he is out there golfing he's at the casinos he's at the pool parties in a suit like talking to fun like he's that guy he's moving a shaker he's a mover and a shaker that's so weird that vegas has a football team yeah and that venue has so many like you're gonna perform there dude and i'm gonna go and my brother's gonna sell me fucking tickets to it as long as i'm in vegas and not reno i remember doing a i did a week-long gig in reno and i think my opener was man uh i've never seen fake tits and oxygen tank on the same person before.

But here we are. Well, eventually. Those are built to last. I feel like, yeah, exactly. No, Reno's rough. Vegas is all right. Vegas is all right for like two nights, right? You guys don't stay there, though.

You get there a night early, and then you're right out, right? You didn't get out. Yeah, and some teams will do two-day West Coast trips, which I love. But coaches don't like it because, mean it's all about them you know they you know it's all about them they want to get in and get out and coaches when you go on the road you ever notice they tell you to stay in your room and be and then they go out and get drunk and have dinner they're the first ones off the elevator when you're going to your room in their street clothes ready to go somewhere yeah but we got to go sit in the room we can't even like walk around so that's not that's not fair and they give you 52 dollars in an envelope

fucking life ain't fair dude conduct detrimental conduct detrimental to the team yeah no question anyone are any of you guys gambling in vegas when you're there no yeah not me i like gambling i like i like betting games loves gambling and we we are both brought to you by win bet. I got to see Jules. The last time I got to see him was at our headquarters. Me and him are teammates again, dude. So I didn't see him enough though. I was a little disappointed. That's where I got the invite here.

What do you mean? Well, he, he made it clear that I'm the favorite. Yeah, he is the favorite, but you know, like Kyle, now that you're out, now that you're out, you got to bet some football games. I'm, I'm down to gamble. It's really really fun i don't know anything though it's really fun hey i want to thank you guys for coming and sharing your stories it was a it's unreal to see you both i've never really talked to you both at the same time i don't think and i've known you guys for like probably 10 15 years come fucking visit us or let's get on the books for a hang dude this is

i mean let's take our skateboards and go somewhere it's a long time coming wait we definitely will i appreciate you guys come coming on why don't you stick around for a quick second so we can get all this audio dialed up sammy where can i find you where can i find you socials and shit it's just it's just my name okay morel guys too m-o-r-r-i-l yeah i'm gonna just crush your socials yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna do it too this is cool i've seen your stuff before now we got to all i do is listen to comedy all i do is listen to comedy he comes in yesterday he's all bummed he's like man fucking instagram they always take down my shit when i use anything about pornography or pedophilia why would they do that they're killing my pedophilia stuff yeah i have like four new pedophilia you are my genre

pedophilia that is my genre okay appreciate you guys what an interview they were great man a lot of a lot of in-depth stories the vaping story is a is a classic the vaping story just just two brothers fighting for their daddy's love you hit it we we did hit it we we hit we you it was you you you went in it's a team thing okay this is a team thing. I appreciate it. I mean, that was, is it the double doink game? Is it the double dong game? According to Chris, it sounded like dong. Yeah, well, be careful Googling double dong because you don't know what's going to pop up.

Absolutely not. We'll see. Whoever would have thought. Reminds you of the two girls in one cup? We got to get the two. That's a good game to break down. Two girls in one cup? We got to get the two. That's a good game to break down. Two girls in one cup, we get them on. They're just like, yeah, we ate poop.

Fascinating. Now, who really won this game? I mean. Chris Collinsworth named it the double doink. We're over here talking about it, but it's clearly the double dong. It's a double dong. The Eagles won, but, I mean, the tip is really the win, don't you think? The what?

The tip on the kick. Yeah. I don't know. It didn't look like, I mean, I guess. But I'm thinking outside the box, the butterfly effect. You know, hypothetically speaking, if they'm thinking outside the box, the butterfly effect. Hypothetically speaking, if they would have won this game, as in the Chicago Bears, is Matt Nagy still there?

Is Mitchell Trubisky still there? Are they forming something? Do they gain a confidence? Confidence is huge in the NFL. When you've got a confident football team, that's when you start compounding good things one after another, and that's how you get championship caliber stuff. And that didn't happen. When you look on the other side, Philly, they won the game,

but then they go out the next week, like Chris said, and they had a shot to win. They couldn't do it. And if they win, they're playing you guys again, right? It was us to go to the ship. Yeah, that would have been crazy. Yeah. Nick Foles.

Nick Foles again against the Patriots? A 9-7 Eagles team in the Super Bowl? I'm telling you. I think it was... Jack, what was the score of the... What was the Giants when they went to the Super Bowl in 11? Didn't they sneak in like that too uh 9 and 18 or 9 and 7 or a 10 and 6 yeah what were we jack believe they were 9 and 7 let me check on that see i love it that's at nfc east just a bloodbath sneak in and

and let's play some good football at the end of it. But, corrections. Kyle was actually drafted in the 23rd round. He said the 20th. He was trying to scheme a couple, you know, forward just to maybe. You know, I don't think Kyle would do that because, of course, he's the more humble long of the two. That would definitely be a Chris thing. Park, you went on the Today Show.

We found that out. Not Good Morning America. So, we were wrong. We thought it was Good Morning America. GMA? a chris thing um park you went on the today show we found that not good morning america so we were wrong it wasn't we thought it was good morning america gma no that was a today show thing yeah uh the bears had four kickers under contract and five at rookie mini camp that offseason wow that's a lot still he said 30 i think he was going for hyperbole i don't think he was definitely hyperbole yeah but but but, that's a lot of kickers. Didn't Tampa Bay do the same thing? Remember a couple years ago?

Was it a couple years ago where they were going out there and they held like a tryout for random people to kick? They brought back Martin Gramatica. Everyone showed up. Didn't have a brother? What was the other one? What was his brother's name? Yeah, he did. What was his brother's name? There's Martin Gramatica, and then there was the other Gramatica everyone showed up didn't have a brother was the other one what was his brother yeah he did what was his brother's martine grammatica and then there was the other grammatica

and then he tore his acl doing the celebration after nailing like a 53 yarder which is like i guess it's the time to do it but it's it's still a bummer i remember kevin brown the pitcher i think it was kevin brown got injured opening a dvd remember? That's a rough one. There's always those weird injuries in baseball. You hurt your wrist doing something. Yeah. Whatever. Opening a DVD. That dates you, too.

It's like now you just download a movie. Back in the day, maybe in the 80s, dudes, they were fucking up their wrists with a laser disc or something. Now you could just get seizures from from your video games which i do believe no actually a pitcher he got arthritis in his wrist from playing too many video games that makes sense think about how much you ever just like realize how much you text you're just tight in here yeah i'm on the tb12 thing where they you know work on my pliability flexibility you know i drink a lot of water what kind of water do you drink? pH water, of course. Whoa. Alkaline Enhanced 9.5 pH. Just keeps you going.

It's delicious. So what do we call this game? I'm going double doink still, but double dong works too. I like the double dong. Let's go double dong. We call this double dong. Now, let's score this. So should we start with stakes?

I mean, this is high stakes. It's the playoffs was this a divisional round the wild card this is so they would have had two more games to get to the super bowl so i mean yes it's a playoff game it's like what a seven out of ten where do you put that i'm putting that at like a 68 a d minus 68 all right i mean playoff it is the, it is the playoffs. It is the playoffs, but it's an early playoff game. I mean, we're going to have 18 and one Super Bowl with the Patriots.

We're going to have. So we're going out of 100 here. Out of 10. Oh, out of 10. 6.8. 6.8. All right. Star power.

Star power. Well, look. I mean, Nick Foles is coming off Super Bowl MVP. You got to give him some respect for that. Got him respect you had a bennett out there you had the both the long boys you had you got mitch you had a jeff jeffries golden tate golden best name best name in the nfl he sounds like one of the outsiders or something you're like this is pony boy this is golden tate that's that is a really that is a it's a dope name i've always thought that he's a great player too and he's awesome he got traded

there what four weeks before goes out makes a big play yeah star power i mean i'll give it what do you think i mean trubisky's the second overall pick but you got to look at quarterbacks too when we're doing a game this big and you know i mean this isn't the patriots versus uh the saints no you know no so that we have to we have to have some seven five seven five is good 7.5 yeah i think that works you know we'll give them a flat c flat c and star power gameplay and you got to give star power also to franchises eagles and bears are both legitimate franchises very big see yeah that is that is very true eagles being you know a tough philadelphia brotherly love everyone knows about how crazy their fans are the bears over here with all the tradition of great

defense a super bowl in 85 almost they say that's the best defense of all time with the old 46 the bear defense so yeah we had some star power gameplay what do you think i mean it was a good game it was definitely it wasn't like defensive battle right so it's not like we had some good special teams plays by the punter he was nailing them inside we had a good kickoff return to set up the last losing kick of course by parky which is terrible uh but it wasn't like a it wasn't a lights out like a high scoring game and that could be you know i have a little bias because i'm an offensive guy and as a as a fan i just yeah it's defensive battles are cool i want to see some touchdowns yeah i mean when mean, when you're in a team game in the playoffs, which is very common because you're playing great football teams

in the playoff, it's going to be tough. I would say the game play was probably 7-3, 7-2. I was going to say 7-2, so we're on the same wavelength. We'll go 7-2. Yeah. 7-2. I mean, even that might be generous. It was like a bloody, eh, whatever, let's leave it, 7-2. We-2 i mean even that might be generous it was like a bloody yeah whatever let's leave it

7-2 gotta give them yeah we'll give it to them you know the long boys they were in there blood sweat and tears brothers fighting for their father's love you know uh the name double dong double doink whatever whichever whichever way you put it you got to put some respect on that name it's a good name because everyone knows about it. Like when we said, like they didn't even know what we were doing. I don't know. But we're doing big names here.

Like it's not the Malice of the Palace big. It's not the 18 and one Patriots big. You know, it's. It's the double doink. It's a double doink. It's respectable, but we can't put it in that category. You can't,

but it's still a good category. It's still a rememberable game. It's still a game with names. I go 7-1 for the name. I agree. 7-1. What's our total with that one, Jackie? This one comes out to a 7.15.

As an average? As an average. So the total will be an average. So 7.15 on the Rubik scale of let's scoring the games with names brought to you by Winbet. This has just been a fun one. That was a great one. The Long Bros are awesome. Just the first time they revisited it too, which is pretty cool.

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