Games with Names - Dudes on Dawgs: Mega Episode

Episode Date: May 8, 2025

This week it's all about Dawgs! That's right every Dawg we've done thus far in one mega form episode. We're talking Terry Bradshaw's toughness, Tom Brady's intense drive, Travis Kelce's swag, and all things Dawg. We have a very special edition of The Chillest Dude of the Week presented by Coors Light. Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

You're listening to an iHeart podcast. Julian Edelman, congrats on making the Patriots Hall of Fame. Get that man a red jacket. Thank you to all who voted and thank you to the other, the other Boston teams, the Celtics, Red Sox. We always had a great relationship, the Bruins. I mean, I, I feel, I feel like it's a family affair. I feel like I'm part of it now, man.

That's like freaking, that's like one of the most honorable cities to be a sports guy. Tidal town, man. Tidal. Town. Welcome to Dudes on Dudes. I'm Julian Edelman. Rob Gronkowski will be back in studio next week.

And this is the show where your favorite dudes get to talk about their favorite dudes. We have something special for you today. We put together all the dogs we've done so far in one place for you guys. On this episode we're talking the toughness of Terry freaking Bradshaw. When you watch guys back in those days play it looks like it's illegal taking guys down by their face masks, spitting on a guy when he's down. Tom Brady's intense drive. Oh you want to take a break? Hey man I'm telling you your mind will let you go farther. Let's go four more routes let's

go. You got to be able to be on the same page with me. The swagginess of Travis Kelsey and all sudden Kill a Trap shows up and we're having a dance off on the stage. He can dance and he can dance. Rob can dance but. And a whole lot more dog talk. Woof woof woof woof. And we're naming the chillest dude of the week presented by Coors Light. Let's get into it. Dudes on Dudes is a production of iHeartRadio. Let's get into the Chillest Dude of the Week brought to you by our favorite beer Coors Light. Get Coors Light delivered straight to your door. Visit CoorsLight.com

Slash Dudes and remember celebrate responsibly. Hey I got a butt in here real quick. Whoa what Jack on dudes on dudes? What's up baby? What's going on here? For the chillest dude of the week I got to honor my dog, our dog, you Jules, Julian Edelman is our chillest dude of the week. Congrats on making the Patriots Hall of Fame. Get that man a red jacket. Rocky, come here. And what are we doing for this, Jack?

The mountains are blue and the jacket is red, baby. We are going to pool together. We have pulled some awesome voicemails. They're already rolling in, the congratulatory voicemails. We pulled some awesome comments people have left all across our socials. We just wanna highlight those and- Cause it was a fan vote.

And honor the individuals. It was a fan vote. And the fans came out to support. So we're gonna hear from them. We gotta celebrate the fans, celebrate you and just use this as a time to really, really say thanks to the fans and honor you, brother. Nobody chiller.

J-E-11's a Hall of Famer. Let's go. That's a Boston guy. That's a Boston guy. Short and sweet. Is anybody else getting this feeling, this urge to just run through a brick wall right now? Anybody? Anybody? I know I was when I got that, when I saw that call to Frank, man.

Run through a brick wall, it's kind of what I used to do. That's what I envisioned when I would run through the tunnel. I loved it. It was a brick wall? I'm running through a fucking brick wall. Warming it all up. Is that why you went out first so you guys could come out Tom always went out for the first 20 yards And then I would pass

And I would pass You know Jets got to turn on the engines get the engines going Big old tugboats just got it. Mr. J 11 a first ballot your England Patriots Hall of Famer A first ballot your England Patriots Hall of Famers. I'm so proud of you Julian You deserve it. You deserve the best love you man. Let's go My god, they're fired up. I love it Hi, Julian Jack and Tyler. This is Dan. Yes that Jan I just heard a little while ago that you got elected to the Hall Julian and I know

You're going to get thousands of calls and thousands of messages, but Regardless, I just wanted to call and say congratulations I'm so happy for you I love you bubs Congratulations happy for you. I love you, bub. Congratulations. We appreciate you, Jan. You've been there from day one. Anytime we had anything public, Jan's there supporting. Shout out. All the pop-up shops, autograph signings, charitable events. Jan's been there, so we appreciate you, Jan. Jan's been there on live chats too

for majority of these episodes. We love the day ones, man. Did anyone interesting or cool reach out? A lot of old teammates, which is awesome. Text, phone calls, everything? Text, DMs. Anyone from just out of left field? Not really, I haven't...

Changed my number too much. Big time, big time. What a flex. I was hoping there was like someone that like, you were like, whoa, like. Josh DeMell texted me? He just, no. We pulled some, from all across our socials,

we pulled some notable comments. The praise was rolling in first we got friend of the show Camille Kostik with an LFG squirrel emoji football Camille show in love we love Camille Max Cassidy 12 on Instagram I like this one everyone pack a lip for Jules today you got a pack of lip got it bro a celebratory lip Transformers official Optimus Prime bro the Autobots salute you mr. Edelman Congrats you are more than meets the eye eight-year-old me would have fucking like been like trying to get a boner over that didn't know

what a boner was yet the Decepticons wanted Adam Vinatieri to get in. As usual, they took an L. Oh my god. The Patriots official, congrats Jules. Our main man, Sam Morrell. Well deserved. Sammy. Sammy, we love you brother. You go text me. All these guys text me too.

Are the Knicks going to meet the Celtics? Oh god. I know, Sammy's probably going ham right now. This is the one time of the year. I don't love Sam right now Sam is going hard for this those Knicks He loves him. He's been talking about five years. I know Bronson's the truth. All right, buddy. He's pretty good. I still love Sammy right now a few Well, I mean what the Celtics miss 47 threes? Yeah, we missed like 15 of 16 in that drought.

Holy sh, they'll make some of those next time. Yeah, they're going in, bro. It's a make or miss league. We got Gronk, our main man, Rob EG. Well deserved, Bubs, congrats. Can't wait to be there. You know Rob will be there with you. Yeah, Rob, so Rob texts me.

Let me get this real quick. Hello, Bubs. New text. Congrats, bro. Hello, bubs. New text. Congrats, bro. It was a no-brainer. New text. See you Sunday. New text.

When's the date for the induction? Hello, bubs. I sent him a voicemail. He's so funny. Rob asking all the important questions. Yeah, see you later. When's the induction? Congrats, no brighter.

But the first text, hello, bubs. And then like four minutes later was, congrats. How long, he was just sitting there trying to spell congratulations? No. Get out of here. Robbie G's such a busy man, he might already be booked up on that day.

He's opening up the El Paso, Joann's Fabrics. No, there's a Gronk Beach in Bali that week. He's going for two days. Maybe we should go to that. I'd be down for that. Gronk goes across the world for like two days. He went to Australia for like two days. Met a horse named after him, dipped, did a couple appearances out. Two days in Australia, that's more than a plane. Jesus Christ. It's crazy.

This man is wild. We got a, we're not just scouring the social verse. We got texts coming in. Just when you think there's nothing else, he's done everything, there's something else. So stinking proud. That's from Angie, Mama Edelman. Thanks, Mom. We love you, Angie.

She's a huge part of it. She's goaded man. And then I mean we got stories on stories. Tom Brady says legend. Congrats Bubs. It was coming in from everybody. And then he's a little bit of a menace in the comment section. I remember one time with me and Tom. It was like my almost like I made it moment. Me and Tom, it was like my almost like I made it moment. I think we were going for like our, it's like 2017, we just won our second Super Bowl and we're warming up and we were like feeling, like we were just in a sink.

So before I got hurt, and he goes, man, you could be like little messy out here, you keep on balling. That was something that I'll never forget Tom saying, he goes, man, you're like little Messi out here. Wow. Wow. I was like, what? He's just, I don't know if he was just pumping my confidence. He had a big game. It worked. It was right. He worked. He's right. That was like the coolest thing he ever said to me. Messi five seven. I know, but like in the football world. Football, football, maybe. Aura pumping my tires. I

love it. And I was, I'd be remiss if I didn't mention. You had to get the best out of his guys. We love you Tommy. As soon as I rubbed my fucking messy eyes. Oh man. Games with names commenter, frequent comment section appearer. More like rabble rouser. Rabble rouser, little rascal in there. Rob Ninkovic, congrats brother, love ya. No hate? No hate this time. We deleted the hate.

It's weird. The hate response. It was very odd to see him actually giving some genuine praise. Cody Hollister worked his balls off. Pretty awesome man. Kent State's been very happy and proud. Zach Test hit me up, he was a kid that played for the US 7's teams

that we grew up in the same area. I haven't talked to him in a while. There's some people, like, I don't know, how'd he get my number? Probably fucking Ebner. Ooh, Donnie Wahlberg. Donnie Wahlberg, bro. He says NFL Hall of Fame next.

That's right. Oh, oh, oh. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Oh, oh, oh. Oh The right stuff first time was a freedom second time Hey, we should get Donnie Wahlberg on one of our but we gotta get him on here, dude He's a he's a freaking die-hard. Let's do it Ken state of course showing love everywhere like Josh cribs cribs, bro Nick bro guy get him on Showing love everywhere like Josh Cribbs. Cribbs, bro. Nick.

Bro. Guy. You gotta get him on. Got him. Yetti. Cribby. Cribby, everybody, bro. Logan Ryan, man, we used to battle a lot.

He got me better. Cause he was so on top of his game and he knew the game so well. You had to run good around on him every day of practice. We battled a bunch. Intercepted Tom's last pass as a Patriot. Arm was my guy. Fletch.

Look at the young Fletch. Dola. Dola. Dola gave you an in-feed post. Did he? That's special. That's my guy. Prime Real Estate. Jojo.

Gotta love Jojo. Frickin' Bolden. I said get the ox ready, dog. I said get it ready, because I know you'd be bumping the good shit. BB Hulk Smash. BB Hulk smash. Heck yeah. Awesome. Congratulations. That was fun. That was fun. Proud of you brother. And that was

the chillest dude of the week thanks to our favorite beer Coors Light. Get Coors Light delivered straight to your door. Visit CoorsLight.com slash dudes and celebrate responsibly. Who's our first scariest dude of all scariest dudes? Our first guest that we'll be talking about on the Halloween edition of Dudes on Dudes, scary motherfuckers, I mean, scary guys. We'll start with former teammate of mine on Inside the NFL, Ray Lewis, scary SOB. Let's see what AI has to say about him.

All right, we got some dude synopsis here. Scariest dude number one is Ray Lewis. Let's see what AI has to say. What's AI got to say? Ray Lewis is widely regarded as one of the greatest middle linebackers in NFL history. Known for his intense playing style and leadership on the field, and off the field, he overcame personal challenges and became a motivational figure. Often speaking about discipline and perseverance.

Lewis had significant impact on the Baltimore Ravens, leading them to two Superbowl victories and earning the Superbowl MVP in 2001. Wow. Wow Wow I was a 12 years old in 2001 Jules. How old were you about 15 or teen or teen? 15 notably he is the only player in NFL history with over 40 career sacks and 30 interceptions stinctive Additionally, he was a 12-time pro bowler and a two-time NFL Defensive Player of the Year. Ray Lewis for you, ladies and gentlemen. Brought to you by AI. I think AI is pretty right.

I worked with Ray as soon as I retired on Inside the NFL. And in those pre-production meetings, he would speak. And I felt like I wanted to run through a goddamn brick wall every time he would speak. He sounded like a pastor with the mix of craziness and a mix of a gladiator quote. Ray don't think I don't know where your quotes come from. We went to Rome together and I figured out that all of Ray's motivational quotes come from the movie The Gladiator. It was crazy. He's a, I remember playing him. He knocked me out of game first off. What game was that? And

what year was that? He knocked you out of the game. It was remember when Dion Branch came back for the first game back. So about, was it 2013 or fourth year or my third year? This, this was like 2012. 11 or 12. Yeah, oh it was 2011. When did Randy leave? De'Ame Branch came back on the team. Randy left on the team when we went to the Super Bowl. On 10 or 11. Yes, yes. 2010, my rookie year, Randy Moss was traded

after the fourth game of the season. And then didn't we trade for? We traded back for De'Ame Branch, right, that year? So it was my rookie year. It was your rookie year. Yes, 2010, the same season that Randy Moss got traded. Yeah and he hit me on under in the red area and I remember Helodi Nata like picking me up and saying hey buddy your your your sidelines that way. That was uh that was at Gillette Stadium. At Gillette. Yes and it was 2010. 2010. Yes it was. He lit me up

and then the year before this is my second year in the league year before in the playoffs He scored and I on a scramble in the red area Tom darted it to me I caught it in the and I got a touchdown and Ray was right behind me and he need me so hard in my left butt cheek That like I got a crazy hematoma and I looked like I had JLo booty on more like my butt was just I had one big butt it was so fucking crazy if we would have we got smoked that game but I wouldn't have been able to play the next week because I had like internal bleeding it was fucking nuts so that dude has scared the shit out of me what do you think about

first off AI hit it hit it on point but but they didn't, you know, talk about all his characteristics that he brings to the table as well. Yes. Great motivational speaker, great player, you know, all the accolades, two times Superbowl champion, whatever 12 time pro bowler, but they didn't talk about the characteristics that makes him himself vicious out in the field. Vicious. Absolutely vicious. Intimidating. A hundred percent.

I would put my hand down and I was already scared of Ray Lewis when he was lined up in front of me. I was, when, when you're scared of a player, you're kind of already beat as well, just that's how intimidating he was. Just the nature of just the way he carried himself and the energy that he brought to the table. You did not want to mess with Ray Lewis. No doubt, no ands, ifs or buts about that. Now he was not just scary, but he was also like one of the smartest football players you fucking played. Very intellectual. It like we I remember we'd be in a three by one,

like a trips formation, and he'd be sitting there calling out like, I watched this hook, watch this hook. Like he'd be calling our plays and he would, I remember talking to him when we worked together and he would study all of our TV copies so he could hear Tom's signals, he could hear all the line front signals. So anytime we would play the Ravens with Ray, we kind of knew that he knew everything

We had to change everything because he was such a smart hard-working guy that did anything it took To fucking go out and win a game if that meant sitting watching five hours of all the TV copies to just to get one little Signal from something that's what Ray Lewis was doing. And he was just, he was fucking like, we look at middle linebackers now. Middle linebackers are 225, 230 pounds. Ray Lewis was sideline to sideline 250. 250. Doing war dances before the game,

getting the whole city of Baltimore some light. I mean, he was their first pick of that franchise. Like he set the stage for what Baltimore has become. You know, like what he said in his things, known for defense, tough team. And it's carried out throughout, you know, Harbaugh, Harbaugh inherited him, rose it to what it is now,

but they're our tough fucking team. And Ray Lewis was like the war daddy of the war daddies. And he was a definition of a linebacker in the NFL in the, in the decade of the 2000 era. No doubt about that. You big, strong, intimidating, fast, took no shit at all. No, he was the defensive captain. He was the guy in the huddle that got everyone, you know, in the right spots where they needed

to be. He was the one that was calling every single defensive player. He was the absolute definition of a Mike linebacker, of a middle linebacker. Mike linebacker is just a name for the middle linebacker for all you people out there. So Mike linebacker, middle linebacker, same exact thing, MLB. But he was the definition. He was the standard of strength, of speed, of agility, of a middle linebacker. And how to-

Instinctiveness. And how to- instinctiveness, intellectual, just how smart he was, the ability to know what plays were being called, and how to fill a gap as well. That mother effer, that mother effer knew how to fill a gap and blow a gap up better than any linebacker in the history of the game.

And he set the example to all young guys, all players, all defensive players in high school and college on how to play the linebacker position in the game of football. There's no doubt about that. And that was mean, aggressive. What else is there, Julian? Fucking instinctive. Yes, just all of it. And then once again, I got to experience,

I got to be on a team with Ray. And the way he motivated guys, like his stories and like how he would, you have to, like he told me once, we're doing inside the NFL, he goes, you gotta win the crowd to win your freedom I'm like Ray We're talking about football. We're not in a goddamn

We're not at the Coliseum right now. Okay, like I I want to run through the wall, but we're not hitting nobody We was Jules. Yes, I is great. He was he would he would say something and I couldn't understand anything But I got the point Like he would say something and I couldn't understand anything, but I got the point. Like he would say something, I'm like, fuck yeah. Let's have the best fucking show. Let's have the show, Ray. Like that's how Ray was. You know, we went and did this convention

over in Croatia together. And so I was like, great, let's, you want to go to Rome after with me? And so me and Ray went to Rome and to watch him go, we went to the Coliseum for a day and it was like watching a kid walk into a candy shop when he saw that Coliseum. Like you could tell that it was like ingrained in him.

He was like, this is where the men that I am used to perform in the day of age of them. He said something like that to me. I'm like, Ray, you. What? In one of his past lies, I bet you he was a gladiator. 100%. Fighting in the Coliseum.

100%. Yes. He, I saw, he literally had a single tear when he walked and he saw just how grand and old and how he was, you could see him using his imagination for all the freaking fans and stuff and guys ripping each other's goddamn heads off. And it like, he loved it.

Wait a second. Do you think he was one of the gladiators back in the day or was he one of those lions? No, he was the gladiator. In the Coliseum. He was. Or was he both? He was Lionheart.

Lionheart but a gladiator? Yeah, Lionheart. Lionheart like Van Damme. Can't disagree with that. You ever been covered by him? I've been covered by him a few times. I mean, obviously his game was stopping the run, but he was very smart in zone coverage as well.

A hell of picks. Yes, a lot of picks. I mean, what, he has what, 30 interceptions and over 50 sacks? What was that? Yeah, only person to ever do it. The only one to ever do it. And, you know, he's just very athletic for his size too, man. His arms are just massive. It just looks like a guy out of like a magazine cover, you know,

straight off a magazine front, front page cover right off the stands and just put on the football field. A mannequin of a gladiator. He was a definition of what a guy in Madden looks like, you know, when you're playing the game, Madden, you know, he just got taken right out of the video game and put right on the field But I got to clear up a little bit with Ray Lewis I mean the guy you know back end of his career when we were facing him So we didn't really get the true Ray Lewis just like all of us in the NFL. He lit me up Yeah, yeah, definitely lit you up still but when you're when you're in your prime prime

It was you're moving people no matter what the situation is. You're moving people, you're blowing up the holes, all that. So we didn't, we didn't, I never got like leveled by Ray Lewis. I definitely felt his power. But here's a situation I was running. This thing goes viral all over Instagram all the time where it's a clip of me running over Ray Lewis. But let me get this clear out there. I didn't really like technically run over Ray Lewis. I mean, I did in the clip and people just take it out of context because, you know, on the film directly, like with, you know, you just take that three seconds

of a clip and I am running over Ray Lewis. But here's the deal. Here's the situation. It was a passing play and I was on a route. He was dropping back in the coverage and I was debating. I had an in-cut, 12 yard in-cut, and I was debating because he was dropping back, you know, doing his thing, making it hard on myself because, you know,

he's very smart of a player, knows how to drop back and get you confused of where he's going. So then it kind of throws you off your route. So I'm like, do I go outside of confused of where he's going. So then it kind of throws you off your route. So I'm like, do I go outside of him because he's dropping out of my out of my zone, out of out of the area where I got to run the 12 yard in cut, or is he going inside? And I should go inside or should I go outside of him?

You know, I'm trying to say. So I'm debating and I'm kind of stiff this game. You know, I'm just running straight and I'm debating. Should I go out? Should I go in? Should I go out? Should I go in? Should I go out? Should I go in? And I'm running full speed at him, debating, and then boom, I just clashed right into him. So he wasn't really paying attention to me.

And he was looking back at the quarterback. But when I clashed right into him on the passing route, he went flying backwards and I ran him over. And then I like jumped up real quick and acted like I was wide open. So like I didn't really run him over. Did you get a catch? No, I didn't get a catch either. So it was great coverage by him actually, like to the T if you ask me.

But it's a clip where I'm like, no, it's like just taking off context. I will tell you when I ran. That's how scary of a guy he is, is where Rob over here ran his ass over. Okay. I don't want to hear it right. He got ran over. No, I didn't run him over. He was dropping back in coverage and I just ran my route through him He's trying to justify running him over to not make Ray mad at him

I don't want Ray mad at me I can tell you that right now But I was just running my route and it went through him and he was you know He was on his on his heels backing up back pedaling and using his space. Yeah, he did go flying But it was not like a run play or anything if that was a run play and I blocked him like that Well, then that's off to me. I would still go running I would still run to the other sideline because I'd still be scared of Ray Lewis, but I didn't technically Run him over. It was just a little mishap and jewels

I got a question when he did that, you know The war dance running out of the tunnel, the Baltimore fans going crazy. Did you ever watch one of those war dances? Oh, every time. Or are you like looking the other way, like, Coach, no, no, Belichick, I'm not watching it. Why are you saying that? Yeah.

Because that's what Bill used to say. Yeah. Don't be paying attention to what they're doing. Just worry about what you're doing. But Ray Lewis's war dance, you had a peek. You had a peek. Dude, you had to. Coach Belichick would be at a Ravens weekend.

He would always be like, look, we're gonna be going to Baltimore. You're gonna have Ray doing his goddamn fucking war dance. Like, just get your heads right. Get your heads right for the game. Don't, we're all, you know, he's gonna be doing that war dance you know he's referenced the war dance wait his war

dance is called the squirrel dance ain't no squirrel doing that yeah cuz Jules you're a squirrel you ain't doing those type of dances I never heard anyone even call it nice it was started by his friends in his hometown they named it the squirrel dance because it had the whole town jumping. I get it now. I know, but the Squirrel Dance, you're the squirrel. Yeah, and I don't see a squirrel looking that scary. No, squirrels are furry and cute.

Kind and snuggly. No, Ray looks like he wants to bite your face off and do a war dance on your face after it's been bit off. What about his visor? Fucking scary. This is aura overall. Ray Lewis is or I mean, the visor, what the, you know, the little bands on his arms, all that just a scary player. Overall, scary, sad in that purple and black.

That's just a mean looking team. It is. All right. All right. Time. Let's determine what kind of dude he is. All right, Ray Lewis. What kind of dude is Ray Lewis? Is he a freak? Of course he's a freak. I mean, he definitely has freak of nature in him. I mean, he's gigantic.

He's the definition of a middle linebacker. He's a whiz as well. He was so innovative for the sideline to sideline quarterback of the defense type linebacker. I don't, you know, I could be recency bias, but this is what we grew up on. He's a dude's dude as well. I mean, positive attitude, the motivational speaking, getting everyone going, bringing everyone together. I mean, he's special, man. That's special just to have that, you know, in life is to just be able to motivate people and bring people together.

And on top of it, just being that phenomenal of a football player, man, that's what really made him special. He had so many great characteristics that he brought to a team, not just being a good player. I think he's a dog. He's relentless. He's motivated. He's physically and mentally tough, dude. Torres Tricep came back in a fucking like four weeks for the game like he's he doesn't care if he has something hanging on by a thread if it's a playoff game or if it's a AFC North divisional game or if it's a game against us you knew Ray Lewis was gonna be out there doing his goddamn war dance before the game getting the whole fucking crowd going crazy you know that's gonna be what Ray does and he's a fucking dog there's no he's a dog he is a dog and anytime you're a dog

you get the job done and he got the job done every single time he hit the field let's go to our next guy i never messing with ray hell no i'm gonna be best friends with him and he would love the shit out of you he He's the best teammate ever. Who's our next Roberto? Our next scary is from one of the scariest eras of football. Where they didn't care if they were injured. They didn't have doctors to treat their broken ankles or broken legs. They just threw them back out there.

This was the scariest times in the NFL. Concussions didn't matter. That means if you had stars, it meant that you were extra tough. And this guy is in that era. And he was one of the scariest ones in that era. Fucking scary. And I'm getting scared.

Dude looks scary. He looks scary. Who do we got? He looks like Halloween. We got Jack Lambert ladies Oh, M G played for the Pittsburgh Steelers Jack Harold Lambert Jack Lambert golden flash. What's a I gotta say about old Jack start the clock now, right?

Hit that clock Jack Lam. Jack Lambert. Jack Lambert was an intimidating and fierce linebacker known for his aggressive playing style and toothless snarl. No teeth. Off the field, he was a private person who preferred a quiet life, often retreating to his farm. Lambert had a profound impact on the Pittsburgh Steelers,

leading them to four Super Bowl victories in the 1970s with our guy Terry Bradshaw, the original TB12. Terry! Oh good old Terry Bradshaw! Uncle Terry. He was a nine- Pro Bowler and an eight time All-Pro, earning the NFL Defensive Player of the Year award in 1976. Notably, he recorded 28 career interceptions and was a key figure in the Steelers dominant defense. Want to know what I loved about Jack Lambert? It was he wasn't the traditional size of a linebacker, especially back in the heyday. He was once again a guy from Kent State University. Was he drafted into the NFL? He was drafted. He was a fourth rounder. I know that he had, you know, not the ideal. 46 overall. He didn't have the ideal size going into the NFL

as well. I think he was 6'4", about 200, 210 pounds coming out of Kent state. And they wanted to put some bulk on him. So he didn't really play, you know, at the size of all these other linebackers. And then the NFL at the time, I think he played about at like, what, 220, 230. So six four linebacker at six four, that's kind of. Unheard of usually they're shorter, more stock or can fill the hole can take on alignment, can take on a linebacker at 6'4", that's kind of unheard of. Usually they're shorter, more stocky, can fill the hole, can take on a lineman, can take on a fullback, can go side to side with the agility.

But this guy, no, he was different. What, you know, that kind of was an advantage for him. You know, watching tape on him, I feel like he could see over the lineman because he was 6'4". He could see what was developing in the backfield. And when you can have that type of advantage and you can see what's going on in the backfield, you can see that short running back where he's going, where he's angling.

That's an advantage. And Jack Lambert used that on the defensive side of the ball, making tackles. It was just ridiculous watching him play. What if you were lined up at tight end and Jack's the middle linebacker right here. And he looked at you and with his no teeth. And he said, Hey, Gronk, I'm going to eat your lunch. What would you do? I'd probably be wide open cause I'm going to run full fricking speed away from him. I'm running full speed. But at the same time, those are the guys that are hard to get open burst cause I'm six, six.

That's my advantage is my height and my size. But when you're 6'4", and yeah, he was smaller than everyone, but dude. Long and lanky. Yeah, long and lanky, but he had that like hit stick. Like it's kind of like a type of strength that is kind of not taught. That like some type of strength where you don't go in the weight room to get that.

That's that leverage strength. Yes, 6'4",, skinnier, more athletic than these other linebackers and other players in the NFL. But he had that, you know, that pop. He had a pop in him. When you have that pop and that toughness, I mean, it doesn't matter what size you are. You can knock down anyone, even if they're 50 pounds bigger than you. He's also like an intimidation factor.

You see in the Super Bowl against the Cowboys where the guy, the kicker missed the fucking kick on the Steelers. And and the cowboy guy was heckling him. And fucking Jack Lambert grabbed him by the back of his thing and threw his ass down, say, boy, shut the fuck up. Like that is crazy. I think the ref was right there was too scared to throw a damn penalty. Like, that's how scary of a guy he was.

I mean, he's just he's not like a big guy. He had a wide receiver built. He had long, you know, skinny legs like instinctive as fuck. Yes. I mean, you you throw on his highlights. Yeah, he would blow up the the one yard or he'd blow up the goal line player, the short yardage play, but you saw him drop and he would always make these crazy. He had a lot of interceptions too, I think.

Like he had a bunch. Grew up a Browns fan, played for the Steelers. Big hitter. He was the trash talker that backed it up. Probably one of the toughest guys on one of the toughest so-called defenses of all time. That steel curtain. You know, you had mean Joe green, you had all these Jack Ham, and then you

have fucking Lambert over there who. And this guy, these guys are scared of him. This guy had no front teeth. No front teeth. He looked like a hockey player. Labeled as the scariest looking player in the NFL on top of being that scary on the field. He's also. That's a double whammy. What about his nicknames?

No, Jack Splat. Captain Jack. Jack Splat. Dracula and Cleats. That's actually tight because he has no teeth. He kind of looks like a jack-o-lantern. He kind of looks like a jack-o-lantern. He does in some pictures some way. And then that, look at the helmet that he's wearing.

The face mask, yeah, with the bar. You got the bar right down the middle. The neck roll. He always, you saw him with the patent, 1970s freaking hand and arm pads. You just see a guy like him giving a freaking clothesline to a quarterback and spitting on him afterwards. That's the kind of guy Jack Lambert was.

He is what did he say? JT Thomas. Yeah, he's so mean. He hates himself. You got to play like that. What I love about Jack Lambert, too, is that he never had a quote before. It was something along the line of that. He just never used football as a popularity contest. You know, he looked at it as it was his job.

Fucking. And you got to appreciate those guys. You love those guys in the locker room because they were all business and Jack was business at all times. And he didn't care about, you know, who was watching him, you know, how popular he was. He cared about getting the job fucking done.

And that's what he did. Who's the modern day Jack Lambert? And that's a tough question because there's really no linebackers that are six four in the NFL. Not any middles. No, no, especially not the middle linebackers. Probably would have been.

Some outside linebackers possibly. It would have been like Erlacher back in the day. Oh yeah, Erlacher's a good one. Because Erlacher was like a safety. Yes, yeah. That turned into a safety. Erlacher's a good option right there. Currently, I'm not really sure anyone really compares

to Jack Lambert. It's a different game. In the current NFL. He also, like, I went to Kent and I didn't even hear any, he, stories about him really. Like he was, he's kind of like an off the radar type guy I heard. I heard he's like in some country town,

probably in Ohio on his farm. I think he's got bomb shelters or anything. If anyone in the Jack Lambert camp hears this, can we get an update on him? We would love to as a former Flash and a guy that went to the same university as him that likes him. We want to know if he's okay. I think he is okay. Like I said, like

he just cared about doing his job. He didn't care about the popularity. And he's kind of like that. When was the last time he was seen in the football world? I think it was when the the original Steeler Stadium closed down before they were going to build their the new one, three year old one.

Yeah. What was it? Three River Stadium, right? Didn't he go to that last game or something? Did he? Was that the last time he was seen? Yeah, 2000 was the last time he was seen. That's 24 years ago. I wonder what he thinks about all this technology.

He looks like a guy for a fact that will fucking, if you're on his phone, if you're on a phone around him, I think he might shoot the phone. Yeah, he's still using a pager. No, I don't even think he has a pager. I think he's got landline. Just a pager. He's got landline, bro.

He's got cords still that would, like a 30 foot cord, so he could take a goddamn call away from his wife, like two rooms down, and has to shut the door and use it and put the cord under the door gap, so he could have some privacy. That's the kind of guy he's a scary kind of guy he is like I got I got a question how do you would you ever go off the grid would I ever go off the grid Jack Lambert hasn't been seen for 24 years actually I would love if I had enough means to go off the grid I would love to go off the

grid you got plenty of means nah Yeah, I got kid you can't like you can't go off great if you have a kid Like if it was just me and rock I go off of the dusty trail, but I can't just a deserted island I don't know I'd take amounts of food and water Some little town in Mexico would you do it would you go off the grid? Can you see yourself going off the grid? I would love to go off. Like I said.

I wouldn't like that. We got dudes on dudes. Yeah. Why would you go off the grid on me? Wouldn't it be cool to have a Mai Tai and like a little umbrella? Can we just do dudes on dudes off the grid? Wait, we wouldn't be off the grid then?

We'd be real dudes on dudes then. How? Just you and I. Dude on dude? Yeah. No, how do you think he'd play in today's football? I think he'd be pretty good. Yeah, he'd be really good, especially, you know, because he seemed like he was very athletic as well, could cover, yeah, cover pretty well. So the way that, you know, we're throwing the football now in this era, I feel like he's a guy that can drop back in middle of the field and especially in zone coverages. I think he would have a couple interceptions a year, no doubt about that. And just his mentality that he brings in the run game. I feel like some defenses are missing that type of mentality too. Like those guys that play- Willing.

Yeah. That willing to go in and just take a full back, you know, playing all one on one heads up all downs, you know, and just being able to just, you know, give up your body, sacrifice yourself. So those players, Ray Lewis, obviously Jack Lambert, another one of those. So what about John Elway? Remember when John Elway faced Jack Lambert? Yeah, didn't he? What happened? He said, just let me out of here. I'll be an accountant. Yeah. You want to know why?

You want to know what else happened? What happened? He did say that after the game, but you want to know what else happened? He lined up under the right guard. That's how scared he was. He was that scared and nervous. I mean, that was a frickin went under the right guard. What year was that?

Imagine that. 83. So Lambert was still there. Lambert played what, 12 years? This was a young John Elway, probably young, block out of Stanford. 148, 14 yards that game. One for eight. We're talking John Elway.

148, 14 yards. Jeez. When he faced the scariest defender. The steel curtain. He wasn't just here, he had to steal Bean Joe Green, Ham, LC Greenwood, all those boys. I mean, and he was the fucking flag carrier for that scary ass defense.

Time, what kind of dude is Jack Lambert? Jack Lambert, a stud, He was a stud, but. Not Kent State. Not Kent State. And not when you're that scary. We ain't studs out of Kent State. And when you're that scary, you're technically not a stud.

He's got the athleticism, he's got the football IQ, but he always had the is he too small in his category. So that takes him out of the stud. And then that takes him out of the freak category as well. Yeah, but he could be a freak because he's like a regular lanky dude that played like he was 280. And he had a hit stick.

He had a hit stick and he had no teeth. They had no teeth. He could be a wiz because he was so fucking intelligent. You know, he was calling out plays and I was I was watching all his you could tell he knew the game Better than a lot of the other guys. He was playing against wasn't no one was he a dudes dude I probably don't know I heard a snake story where he almost killed a guy from putting a fake snake in his room Like I don't think he's a dudes dude He's not a guy that you want wanna fuck with or pull a prank on.

He might pull out a 22 and kill you. He looks like he writes manifestos. Yes, he's got a list. He's got a list. So no, don't pull pranks on him. You know what? I think he's a dog. He's just a dog.

He is a dog. You know, he's relentless, he's motivated, he's physically and mentally tough, has exceeded everything that everyone thought he couldn't do at the highest level. Jack Lambert is a dude of a dog. And dogs don't care about getting the credit. No. They just wanna feel the love,

and they just wanna do their job. And when they do their job, they feel the love. That's it. That's that was poetic. That was fucking poetic, Rob. Where did you learn? That's why I have a dog. You have a dog does not care about his popularity. He just cares about doing what he needs to do to protect myself, protect Camille and protect the house.

And then he feels like he's accomplished. And then he snuggles into me and we share love. That's just dogs loving dogs. He's a dog, stamp it. Dog. Drafted six overall in the 2005 NFL Draft. He was known for his exceptional speed and agility, highlighted by a four, three-8 second 40 yard dash.

And his career, he was named to three Pro Bowls and a first team All-Pro selection. Before his NFL career, he made a name for himself at West Virginia University. Let's get on Pac-Man Jones. Jules, what's the first thing you think of when you hear the name Adam Pac-Man Jones? Well, first thing I think of is Bengal formation.

All right. Remember, we had a series of formations. It was an empty formation where the F moved. So Tiger, our reminder, was Kevin Falk. The F was always Kevin Falk. He was in the slot. Yes. Brown, he was always outside.

So you always knew where everyone was. The F was on the outside of the formation. For Bangle, we learned Bangle, that he was all the way inside the formation because Bengals always went to jail. And I'm pretty sure Pac-Man went to a couple of those things and he had a couple of those antics. He was part of our learning of a formation.

Who came up with that creativity? Chadio, you know he said, Bengals are always in jail. I wish he shared that knowledge with me. I would have understood the playbook a lot easier. Well, on that side, you were always on the back side. So the Y and the X were always, they didn't move. It was always the front side of the formation that had to move on that series of formations.

That's how crazy our fucking formation was. But that's the first thing I think of when I think of Pac-Man, because I remember when we were installing this formation, Chadio brought up, you know, Pac-Man got caught up at the strip club again. Those Bengals are always in jail. That's just how you guys remind it.

And I can tell you this, if you're a Bangle and you're in jail, you're gonna be a tough SOB, that's for sure. And that's the type of player that he was out on the football field. He was tough. He could tackle. I mean, he wasn't the biggest DB,

but let me tell you, he acted like he was the biggest DB. He played like a linebacker. He was like, how did you describe it earlier coming off of the edge? He knifed it, so what he did- He wasn't just one of those plastic knives. No.

He was a fricking, a steak knife. He was definitely like a steak knife. So, I remember a lot of the coaching plans when we'd have Pac-Man, they would play him into the boundary corner. He'd be a boundary corner. And a lot of times they would play a cover too. And Pac-Man would be the last,

or he would be the outside edge defender. So like we'd always have to worry. It almost looked like it was a blitz because he was crunching so much and he was knifing so much. But it was just, he was such an instinctive smart player that he knew because of formation that he could go in there. So you always had to be on your P's and Q's when you had Pac-Man in the boundary because

he was so elite in the run game as a corner. Like he was an unbelievable punt returner. I used to watch him all the time as a punt returner because I would always like to watch the best punt returners in the league to see how they were getting open. And he was just such a fast guy. He knew he had great field awareness, great field vision. He put his foot in the ground and he'd go and he could outrun people.

He was elite speed. I mean, you don't go six overall from West Virginia, which West Virginia had a lot of players at this time. You got to tip your cap They were good. You have Pat white, you know, McAfee went there that era was there They had a lot of good players, but he went six overall at 510 You know, that's crazy. It doesn't matter if you have elite speed or not So that tells you how good of a football player he was. What do you see? I mean he was scrappy talked a lot of of shit. Me and him almost fought on the field a couple times.

I mean he's almost fought frickin 50 different NFL players out on the football field because he would get under their skin. I respected it though. Yeah, yeah, you definitely had to respect him because that was him. It wasn't like it was just coming out of nowhere. It was him. It was him, you know, and you got to appreciate that. What I really loved about him too, just his ball skills, man. Whenever he was around the ball, it would be tipped up in the air. He was bringing it down. He had wide receiver hands. And you wanna kinda know what he reminds me of,

cause he had so many returns as a kickoff returner and punt returner, but also when he would return the ball on an interception, is that he looked like a third down running back, running with that ball, man. I feel like he could have played the running back position cause of just how shifty he was and just how his hands were. They were, they were very, you know, very, uh, what am I looking for? Consistent, consistent of being able to catch the ball.

So he was a third down back playing corner and you talked about him like he was a middle linebacker, like, but really on top of it, he was a great cover guy. Great cover guy. Great ball skills, like I said. Was he scared to get down and dirty? Yeah, I got a little story. My rookie year, I mean, it was Pac-Man Jones out there. Why?

Going one-on-one versus whoever he was covering and West was in the slot. We did a quick pass to West, so at the, lined up inside at the tight end position, you know how I bolt out there and I got to go back to block the DB. And this is my first game I've ever played. And I saw it was Pac-Man. I was like, oh shit, do I really want to block this guy?

Like, I don't know what he's going to do to me. I mean, all these stories about Pac-Man out there talking shit, coming after you, getting under your skin. That was in the scouting report. It was, it really was. It was in back of my head, but I was like, I'll screw that. I got to, I got to show my abilities. I got to do me. So I kind of ran at Pac-Man, broke down a little bit, got right into his chest, boy. Drove him about three, four yards right to the sideline. Wes ran right behind me, scored a touchdown, baby. And I just turned around

like, yeah, that's right. I just blocked Pac-Man Jones, motherfucker. Let's go to the strip club, Bobby. Jules, you're talking about how you almost fought Pac-Man Jones on the field. Well, what does a DB have to do to make you want to fight him? What was he saying to you or what did he do to you? Come on, Jules. He was calling me white boy or something.

You ain't got shit, no speed. I don't even remember, but. I mean it was pretty easy to get under your skin. Nah, not really. Okay, Jules, not really. But if you pissed me off, that means I was gonna go 110% every fucking play, so a lot of guys wouldn't do it because I was gonna keep it going, but I don't know.

I remember one time I took a ball, and Man thought I was going to go out of bounds. I kind of trucked him and he looked up and he got up and he started talking shit to me because I had like 30 yards and he was coming right. Like he didn't have any momentum. So like that person's going to win. And I lit him up and he he looked at me, said some shit. I forgot what he said, but he said, fuck you. You you stealing shit dog or something. I was like fuck you pack me

I didn't want to talk too much shit to pack me because I heard about the guns and shit I heard about the strip clubs and stuff. So, you know, I didn't know if he would take it off the field So I was like, what's up Pac-Man? What's up dog, but I love Pac-Man. We've did a we've got to hang out a few times He's a fun dude like and he's grown up a lot. I think he's great on podcasts and shit. I watch him on McAfee. He's done very well off the field, and in transforming his image.

When we were all playing, Pac-Man was like, he was a dude that was, he got in trouble, he got suspended and shit. playing, you're all playing. Pac Man was like, he was a dude that was, he got in trouble, he got suspended and **** Now, like, it's been awesome to see him reimage himself and and become like he's working for

ESPN for a while. I mean, he's Disney Channel. He's one of the only dudes that had the borderline antics of getting arrested, going to the strip club and being known for all of that and he's's still in the media and he's, he's killing it. He's still a guy that people look up to because that's how good of a football player he was and he owned it as well.

That's when you know, you're a great football player and someone who, you know, who you are because you own it. And when you own something like that, it's not like you're going to get canceled or written off. You're gonna find opportunities that present to you, and that's what Pacman Jones has done for his life, and that's why he's on the Pat McAfee show now, and he's doing a great job,

and I love the Pat McAfee show. Just speaking of wild cards, that guy's a wild card in the best way possible. I mean, that guy comes up with freaking dilemmas and notions like no one else can possibly do, and I love it. What's the Mount Rushmore of athletes turned podcasters? All right, well, I would say obviously,

let's start with that guy right there, Pat McAfee. I mean, he was one of the first. He actually stopped playing football to so he can get into that world. Yeah, he got to win podcast. We all thought he was crazy in the media. Yeah, I thought he was crazy. He changed the game.

He changed the game. Yes, he took a chance. He was the ultimate wild card for doing that. And let me tell you, he changed the game for all these other players that are, you know, after they retire and trying to find a second life. So Pat McAfee, definitely number one. No doubt about that.

Let's just say a bunch of names. Shannon Sharp's gotta be on there. Great podcaster, Shannon Sharp, no doubt about that. Obviously the Kelsey brothers, they're doing a great job. Is that it? There's only four of them on Mount Rushmore? No, well, let's not even do Mount Rushmore. Let's just name a couple.

Let's just have a category. A category. Top 10, top eight, you know, whatever it is. Kelsey's are fun. Yes, they are. They do great job. JJ Reddick did great, man. I like coaching job.

JJ is not podcasting anymore. Guy. I mean, he was such a good podcast. You got a head coach job out of him. Yeah, that's for sure. Brandon Marshall's legit. I think you've done some stuff. What I am actually the NFL.

He's a he's a freaking entrepreneur. I'm very proud of what he's done. Big Cat and PMT, they're former high school athletes. Yeah, they are, man, you're right. High school athletes. And Big Cat and PMT, they're like one of the originals as well, to start podcasting. I mean, if you look at Big Cat with his shirt off, I mean.

I think Big Cat's kind of handsome. He's not an athlete. I think he's handsome for a big guy. He is. He's got like good eyebrows. He got a nice beard. He does. Like he tries to play the fat guy.

Oh, I'm so fat and un-good-looking. He's actually a handsome dude. If he lost 30 pounds, he'd probably be in fucking GQ. He's like one of those chubby guys that you want to snuggle. He is. Yeah. Like, and it's comfortable. He's very snuggly chubby guys that you wanna snuggle. He is. Yeah. Like, and it's comfortable. He's very snuggly. Yeah. And it's nice and warm.

You don't even need a blanket. But back to Pac-Man Jones. Oh yeah, Pac-Man. Yeah. We're in Pac-Man. Back to Pac-Man. You know, another thing about Pac-Man that's not really known out there, I mean, he's a standup dude. He, you know, he may have his antics and shit,

but as a human being, he's a great dude. Chris Henry lost his kids, Pac-Man's raising them. Pac-Man's providing for them. Pac-Man's the mentor for them. You've seen Pac-Man Jones grow up over the last 20 years. I mean, he's not the guy he was when he was in, first got in the league, going to strip clubs and shit. Maybe he is, but he contains a little,

but he's a fucking stand-up, dude You got tip your cap to him man. Yeah, shout out to pac-man for taking on that role and doing he's a good ass Dude for his friend, you know that that you know pass away That was a sad story But also Chris Henry jr. Pac-man raised him and he's committed to play football at the Ohio State University He's so that's a cool story right there. And obviously learning from Pac Man Jones, one of the most athletic, you know, sensational cornerbacks ever played the game.

You know, make sure you check out Chris Henry Jr. was at the house to university. He's going to be a heck of a player. I bet. And once again, a wild card is not just like doing bad things. It's just unpredictable of good bad whatever and Pac-Man is is is the wild card guy you know he does some great stuff. Does great things does some wild things that you're kind of unsure of but then he always backs it up by doing another great thing as well another good

deeds. Who are some teammates that you consider family? Well first off you Jules, man. Consider you Robbie. You're definitely part of the family. I mean, we're all family, our podcasting team. We're all family here. Another teammate, Dola. Dola's definitely a family member.

Nico Koudavides. Koudi. I mean, Matthew Slater. We don't hang out with him as much. No, he's like the older brother that just looks down at our actions. And making sure that we're doing the right thing still. Always still.

And if we're doing the wrong thing, he's gonna give us a call and say, hey buddy, whatcha doing? Clean it up. Yeah, clean it up. Clean it up. Your act is getting a little out of control now. Tom's kinda like older big brother too.

Tom's like, oh yeah, older, older, older brother. Older, older brother. That's making sure we're on the right page. Who else we got? Chandler Jones, man. Chandler Jones was my brother, man. I love Chan. Chan was the, he was the black grunk

and I was the white Chan, man, when we were in New England. That's what we called each other. Without a doubt. I love Chan. I'll always consider him one of my brothers, man. Definitely. No doubt about that.

Ninko. Ninko. Ninkovich. He's like the brother that you like. Everyone has a brother that you bully. Yeah, yeah, we do bully him. What kind of dude is Pac-Man Jones? Let's get into it.

What kind of dude is Pac-Man Jones? He's definitely, I bet you he's a dude's dude in a certain way. I bet you anyone that played with him loved him. I bet you he was a great teammate actually because he had wonderful stories to get everyone going. Hey, when you make your way into the club, you try to make everyone have fun.

Yeah, that's the truth. You make it rain, you make it all the way. You're bringing the energy to the table. That's all that matters. No matter how you do it, you know, with whatever antics you're doing, you're bringing the energy to the table and you're amping everyone up.

You're talking me into him being a dude's dude. Yeah. You're talking me into him being a dude's dude. He's also a stud. I mean, you can't forget he was drafted six overall. He's fucking four, three guy, five, 10. He plays like a linebacker, 10 total fucking kickoff return touchdowns, like seven pick six is this guy was elite with the ball in his hand. Thank God he

played corner. Um, I mean, he was, he wasn't a freak. I mean, cause a freak is, you know, there's the statute. I mean, he was freaky speed. He had four or five at 50 or at freaky. Like two weeks ago, it wasn't like he was a six foot six corner. No, yeah. So he got freaky. He had common size. So that, you know, on three, we know what it is. Yeah, we do know what one, two, three dog.

We've got that dog mentality. He's motivated. He's motivated. I mean, you bite him. He's coming right back at you. You're going to buy. He's going to be a pit bull. He's gonna bite. He's gonna be a pit bull. He's gonna bite. Coming back to you as a pit bull and he ain't gonna stop until the fight's over.

No, he's not, man. He's definitely a dog. Fucking Pac-Man, we got to compete against him a lot. And he was always, you knew you had to bring your A-game against Pac-Man Jones. Always barking at you too during the games. Always. Whether good or bad, he was barking. Let's get on. Coach Belichick's favorite defensive player besides who's that guy from the New York Giants Jules that he loves as well? Lawrence Taylor.

Lawrence Taylor always gets a hard on for Lawrence Taylor, but he had another full. He got about like three quarter chub for Ed Reed. We used to call Ed Reed, Ed Reed Belichick. So let's see what AIS to say. But you can't you can't blame coach Belichick because I read was was a baller. He was a baller athletic. All right. Start the clock.

Ed Reed standing at five foot 11 and weighing 205 pounds. Ed Reed plays safety for the Baltimore Ravens, Houston, Texans and New York Jets. The Jets when he played. Yeah, late, late, and New York Jets. The Jets when you play for the Jets. Like 2013? Must have been one season. One season. Drafted 24th overall. He just probably wanted that, you know, final check because why would he go to the Jets in 2013?

All right, we'll talk about that later. Drafted 24th overall in 2002 out of the University of Miami. He was known for his high football IQ playmaking ability and unmatched leadership. He was a game changer, finishing his career with 64 interceptions, 1590 interception return yards and seven defensive touchdowns. He was a nine time pro bowler, 2004 NFL defense player of the air and is the all time NFL leader in interception return yards. I was going to say that right when I heard that number as well as like that has a time record

I remember no one must be close. He played his entire career with the Baltimore Ravens. Oh Wait, wait a second. Yeah, I you just said he played for three teams in the first sentence and now the last sentence He played his entire career with the Baltimore Ravens That ain't true. And helped bring them their second Super Bowl victory with a win over the 49ers in Super Bowl 47. Now he played for three teams, Houston Texans and the New York Jets, but he had his best career years obviously with the Baltimore Ravens and then just finished off with the irrelevant years.

Didn't matter. He's definitely a Baltimore Raven for life. Miami hurricane, uh, football player for life. The you, I mean, he's known he put the, he helped put the you on the map and also helped, you know, put that defense of the Baltimore Ravens on the map as well. This is why it was there. Yeah. Ray Lewis.

I mean, that's why they were known as the toughest defense in, in the NFL. Ray Lewis, Ed Reed. And what's his friend? Yeah, T. Sizzle, Drowse, Lodi, nada. Oh, hello, D nada, man. That dude. Oh, my gosh. He's like Vita Vaya, basically.

Three hundred sixty pounds. Just massive blows up holes. You can't move them. But what's the first thing you think of about Ed Reed when you hear his name? Jules, first thing I think of is cover four, red area, him blowing me up. I'm sorry. He blew me up in that. Remember when we played that.

I'm sorry, first of all, I'm sorry I asked you this question. All right. Yeah, he. Yeah, he did blow you up. Remember that when we were playing there? Oh. He.

Oh. Oh. Yeah, he lit me up. Oh. But you got right back up though. I did. I ended up scoring. Because you a tough. Oh, but you got right back up though. I did. We ended up scoring you a tough sob, Jules. But that night, he tough son of a gun.

He was just the first thing like he was just everywhere. Like, what's that one? There's that one thing. Two thirds of the earth is covered by water. The other third is covered by Ed Reed. Like that. That is what I think of when I think of Ed Reed. Got to compete against him from a very young age

at my rookie year and that's when we were going, they were coming and beating us in Foxborough. We were battling them in the AFC Championship. You remember those early years that we battled them? That was like our Denver in the back of our career where we were going playing the toughest, you know what I mean? It just was always a battle and Ed Reid was just a very unpredictable dude to try to get a beat on. He baited QBs into mistakes all the time. All the time. All the time. You ever meet him? I never met Ed Reid. No, never have man. And it was

good because I really never met him on the field either, which is a good thing. I played my rookie year, but I really didn't play that much versus the Baltimore Ravens, my rookie year, probably like 20, 30 plays. I never really had a chance to match up with him. And then he was kind of on to the next teams like those those irrelevant years on those teams of of just not really playing for some. But I just remember him in the hay day though,

uh, which was good. I'm glad that his hay day was before my hay day because I probably wouldn't have had a hay day then if there's had to read still in his hay day when I was there. But, uh, just what I really loved about him was just his range. Oh my gosh. He was a guesser and he baited quarterbacks in the mistakes, but also he would bait them in the mistakes and then have that range to cover that mistake that the quarterback is making. Yeah. He would get you to throw that deep ball and act like he was out of coverage,

but he was so fast and athletic. He would go and get that deep ball and make that interception. Do I know how good Ed Reed was? Tell him Jules, how good he was. What did Tom have to do in the playoffs in 2011 in the AFC championship game? What did he have to do because that read was just that guy. I remember he used to have to put in his on his wristband because you know for extended plays sometimes if you had to check with me you'd have a lengthy verbiage thing. So we put it on there. I bet you he had the reminder that said find number 20 because he was just that big of a focal point of that defense. You know what I mean? That's how much it wasn't just fine. Number 20. It was fine. Number 20 on every play. Every locate them and throw the ball the other way. It didn't say throw the ball the other way. But you got to find him. Yep. You got to find him. You got to know where he is. You got a base to play off of him. You got to alert it. You got to alert alert alert. When Tom's doing that, that means he doesn't like where 20 is.

Exactly. Mm hmm. Without a doubt. And I remember plays where Tom used to talk about, you know, he'd watch Ed Reed and Ed Reed would be on the ground and he's got like the deep third and he'd be on the ground in the box lying on the ground like a goddamn lion and then get up and sprint back there and go pick a ball. Like that's kind of instinct that he had. But what I loved about Ray also,

because early on my career, I was a return, I was a special teamer. And whenever we played against the Baltimore Ravens on all units, he was a fucking problem. On our punt return, our punt team. He had the up and under on the field goal block. He had the up and under like he used to block kicks, scoop scores. He returned kicks for touchdowns.

He just was an all around fucking unbelievable football player that young football players need to watch and not try to emulate because not everyone can be Ed Reed. Not everyone can do that. but like understand that like, this dude's like a freak. Who would you say is the better safety between the two ultimate safeties in the AFC North? Troy Palomalu or Ed Reed?

That's so hard. They're different players. I think of Ed as more of a deep safety, like a free. I think of Palomalu more of like a strong safety. So I think they Ed is more of a deep safety like a free. I think of Paul O'Malu more of a like a strong safety. So I think they're different. Both just electric football players that you want to play with. Like I would love to get to play with them because the amount of practice against them that you would get like it would make you a better football player.

Sure would iron sharpens. What do you think? It depends on the scheme. It depends on the defensive coach, what their mindset is. Like you said, if you have a scheme where the safeties, you know, are blitzing more and making more plays in the backfield and acting more of like a linebacker, you got to go with Troy Palamalu. But if you have a scheme where it's more about coverage, you got to go with Ed Reed. No doubt about it. I mean, this guy could cover any part of the field at any given time, even if he's on one side, if he has one half of the field, he can go to the other half and give help to the safety once the ball is released. So fast and just so quick. And what's

so great about him too, it's just his ball skills, man. He would like tip that ball to him like all the time for an interception. Like, he had wide receiver skills. Post-interception, he'd be throw, he'd throw the ball back. They always, you always had to be alert. Post interception, he'd be throwing, throw the ball back. They always, you always had to be alert for a lateral or remember he stole the ball from his teammate to pick it when he was about to fall down. Out of players who didn't play for coach Belichick, who do you think's on the Mount Rushmore

of guys that he loves? Cause I, for sure, Ed Reed would be on. Obviously Lawrence Taylor. We just talked about that. Well, he played for him, but that we didn't play. All right. That we didn't play with. What do you mean? We didn't. He liked that coach that that didn't coach. Yeah. Maybe that so because he coached Lawrence Taylor. He coached. So Lawrence Taylor is out of the but he's still on there. He's still on there. He's still on there. He's still on there because he loves Lawrence Taylor. All right. Um, Ed Reed, I would say Ed Reed is might, might be

number one. Then the guy that coach Belichick never coached never coach dreamed of coaching. Yeah. Sorry, Devin McCrory. Wow. We got you back. You want to rate dudes on dudes? Well, coach Belichick loved that read. Got him. What? What?

Who else would be on there? Who else did he love? Probably like a punner. I mean, well, he coached Cam New and he loved Cam New and always talk about Cam New and you got to contain him in the pocket. But then he coached Cam New. So that one doesn't really count. But it was him. Love Peyton Manning.

No doubt about it love another guy Legend played way back in the day Jim Brown look bill bill loved Jim Brown He whenever that is that is such a good pool Cuz anytime there'd be just guys slap we'd be slapdicking in the locker room and bill be coming with his little fucking towel You know you go to the treadmill, this binder in his town. You going to watch some film on the tread and guys be arguing about shit. You know, Bill sometimes would say something. He'd be like, hey, you know what I mean?

And I remember someone's guys were arguing about top top running backs of all time. Oh, it's this guy. It's this guy. I think he just said, Jim Brown, you guys guys don't know fucking Jim Brown's best football player like he loves Jim Brown loves loves Jim Brown All right. What about Ed Reed's, you know college days? He was he was the guy at the you like he exemplified what the you was all about Tough hard-nosed football players that gave no damn, no damn out there on the field, gave it their all. And this just represents him in just one play. What do you got Jules about that?

I mean, the player there, look at Miami versus Boston College 2001, Miami was up 12 seven late in the game and Boston College was in the red zone. Do you remember this play? Yeah. One of the most famous college football players of all time. He got deflected into what? One of his defense alignment. Yeah. Ed Reed strips the ball from him and takes it 80 yards to the house. Yeah. He's danger. And they ended up winning 18 to 7. Flashy. Like they're like it just just fun flash. Playmaker. Yeah. We'll put it in. He's also like a a speech giver. You know, you look at this one speech, I'm sitting there.

They're up 21 to three at halftime. He was pissed at Miami's effort because they were like national champion hopes. This was when the U is the freaking you. And you go and Ed Reed, I'm hurt, dog. Don't ask me if I'm all right. I'll put my heart in this shit. Let's go, man. And what happened? They go and blow them out.

Forty nine to twenty seven. And then what what happened at the end of the year? Why did they lose the rest of the season? They won the national championship, BCS national championship. That is 2001. The U was to you who didn't love you. He's on the Mount Rushmore. You guys, too, isn't he? He owned your percent is Ray Lewis. Mm hmm. I mean, what what offensive guys? Michael Irving.

Gore is there, Shaki. There's a couple. There's a bunch of tight ends. What about Andre Johnson? Andre Johnson. Oh, Reggie Wayne, Warren Sapp. Oh, man. This goes on that. That is I want to hear what people think. Who's on that? Oh, big V. How can you forget about big dude?

Greg Olson. I mean, the you got a lot of players. This was when we were kids, man. The U was the U. You know what? I love the U, dude. I got an offer from the U to go play tight end there. I wasn't going to go there. It was at the very end. And I just thought like I was complete because I got the offer from the U. Like it just made me satisfied.

Like, yeah, I could play at the U, but I'm not going there. But I could play. I got the offer. I was, you know, very happy. The U. When I was not going there, but I could play there. I got the offer. I was very happy that it happened. When I was, you know when you're in eighth grade and you do that thing where you write a letter to yourself and then your teacher saves it and then sends it to you and you're a senior in high school? Mine's went along the lines of something like this.

It's good to see that you're probably gonna be signing your commitment letter to University of Miami. I hope you enjoy the sunshine. I wanted to go to the U so bad, I wrote to myself in eighth grade to fucking myself in the future. And little did I know I was ending up at JuCo. And didn't go to the U.

And then Kent, it was kind of, it was close to you. It was close, close. There's Miami, Ohio, that was close. That was in your conference. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was close enough, Jules. It was close to you because there's Miami, Ohio that was in your conference. It was close enough, Joel. It was close. You would have ended up at Kent. It was like that letter was like, all right, we can't do the U, but we can do the Kent, which is kind of near Miami, but the Miami, Ohio. Yeah. Yeah. So it would work. Or else you would have never got the offer to go to Kent.

And then you would still be in junior college right now. You made it best to go beat. Yeah. Beat you. You manifest to play against Joey Paul Molloy. I've manifested play against Miami of Ohio, baby. Miami, Ohio. Great school. My friend went to him twice. And let me tell you, we had a good time. And my jersey is up on the wall and it got stolen.

It was right next to Big Ben's jersey. I forgot the place we went to. Oh man. Miami, Ohio is cool. I never went there. It was supposed to be a fun school. Sean McVeigh went to that. Loved it. Loved it. I played against Sean McVeigh when he went to Miami, Ohio. He's that young? Yeah. He's my age. Are you that old? I'm that old. No, no. He's that young. He's both. Because he's a head coach. I know, but he was a head coach 10 years ago. I think he got into the damn near 20s. What position did he play? He was a receiver slot.

He had a catch against us. Yeah, just one though. I don't really remember him. I was trying to get you to. But I'll tell you right now, I guarantee he remember me. That's what we're talking about. All right.

I love you, big man. I love you. Time. What kind of dude is Ed Reed? Oh, man, Ed Reed. I mean, definitely a wizard because you got to know the game of football, especially on the defense side of the ball in order to bait your quarterback and the throwing the ball so you can go make an interception.

But he's absolute dog, too. When he made that interception, brought it to the house, stripping his lineman in college so he can go for an ADR touchdown, returning as well as the most electric returns and most yardage return in the NFL history for defense player. When you're the superstar on defense and you're still playing in the kicking game, that's fucking dog. That's when you know you're a legend. That's a dog. That's when you know you're a football player as well. Mental toughness, always motivated. You knew that Ed Reid was motivated. Heart and soul of the you.

Well, I mean, there's so many hearts. Oh, yeah, yeah, there was so many hearts. But one of them, one of the heart and souls of the you, one of the heart and souls. So dog dog, dog stamp it, stamp it dog. We'll be right back after this quick break. Have you ever wished for a change, but weren't sure how to make it? Maybe you felt stuck in a job or a place or a relationship? Join me, Emily Tish-Sussman, over on She Pivots, where I explore the inspiring pivots of women, dig deeper into the personal reasons behind them, and leave you with the inspiration you

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Who's our next guest, Tom? Our, I mean, Oh, wow. All right. Who's our next guest, Julian? Our next guest is Thomas Edward Patrick Brady. Now let's see what AI has, what to say about TB. Two guys that know him pretty well. Let's see if AI knows him just as well.

All right, start of the clock. Let's see. Let's see if AI is really living up to the standards. Let's see, cause these are the last two. That's everyone's saying. Last two, AI. All right. Tom Brady is a legendary NFL quarterback. Well, they're already wrong. Cause he's not a legendary NFL quarterback.

He was an NFL legendary quarterback. Or is he, does AI know he's, does he come back? Is AI know something that we don't know? Oh my God. AI is living up to the standard. I know something that we don't know. Oh, my God. AI is living up to the standard. Dolphins. Dolphins.

Kyle Shanahan still wants him with the Niners, even though Brock Perry is legit. Maybe AI is up to something right now. AI is up to something. What does AI say? He's renowned for his record seven Super Bowl victories and five Super Bowl victories and five Super Bowl MVP awards.

Off the field, he is known for his disciplined lifestyle. Very disciplined. TV 12 Method. Businessventures.com slash businessventures. Lot of business ventures, owns teams, lots of teams. Raiders potentially coming up soon. And philanthropic efforts. Lot of giving back to the kids.

Best buddies for a long time. Yes. And what about the kids? He helped become superstars. Yeah, he helped us out too. We're part of that. That doesn't go in the philanthropy. That's not philanthropy, but we'll take that.

That's his biggest philanthropy right there. It was. Definitely was definitely okay helping us Kids out we helped us all right a lot. All right Now including his work with the TB 12 foundation, which you just mentioned the TB 12 audition Brady's leadership He's a leader Resilience. Guy's fucking resilient. And commitment. Come on Jules, is he committed? This guy is committed like no other. To excellence have made him an iconic figure. Is he iconic? Fucking, he's got aura. The most iconic. Guy's got aura. Iconic figure both in sports and infinity and beyond.

It said infinity and beyond. No, it says and beyond, but I added that little bite, a Buzz Lightyear, you know, spectacle aspect into it. I like that. I like that. But I can't believe AI didn't, one thing that AI didn't get, this guy's, his compartmental,

his compartmentalization skill is fucking outrageous. That's what anyone asked me. He could literally have so many things going on in his life, but when it was time for work, he could blur all that out and think about what that work day was and fucking get the most out of that work day every day. Which some would say that's like a serial killer or some kind of maniac mindset.

I would say that's like the greatest of all time. Yes, Jules, that's a great point. I actually never thought of that. And that's 100 great point. I actually never thought of that. And that's a hundred percent accurate. And that's actually contributes to why he was so great is that he could ignore the noise, whatever is going on out there, whatever the situation was, I mean, it didn't matter. And he would, yeah, he would use that anyways. He was using as fuel. It would be diesel fuel. It would be normal, normal fuel race for him. Super

Exhaust rated fuel. It didn't matter. It's one. Oh, you Fucking gas stations have that fuel fill up that engine and he had diesel engine. He had frickin premium engine He had every engine in the book jet engine and that's what made him so great And he used that fuel and he burned all that fuel too. This is probably terrible. There's so many, he burned so much fuel that he killed literally so much of the ozone layer that he's a fucking hazard to our environment

because that's how much fuel he burns with the motivation and his compartmentalization factors. That's how much fuel he's burning. And that jet was full go every single time. You know, when you get on a plane, you're like this freaking pilot better drive this plane or fly this plane as fast as possible. Or drive it to freaking on the runway

to get to the runway to freaking take off ASAP. So fly it and drive it as fast as possible. That's this guy. And he's got headwinds, so you're actually using more fuel. Yeah. And the fuel never ran out. The guy has fucking airplanes that come out while you're flying.

Have you seen that where they use the fucking piece and while they're flying in the air, Air Force One, they're connected. One plane to the other. He's got that on unlimited. Yeah. And that is Alex. Alex is the little. He's got that on unlimited. Yeah. And that is Alex. Alex is the little airplane. Alex is the little airplane that connects to us.

He's the little airplane fuel that connects. Oh man. He just has so much fuel. I mean. Oh, that was so good. That was so good. There they are. Look it, there's Alex and, that was so good. That was so good. There they are. Look it, there's Alex and Tom.

Alex and Tom. Alex is fueling Tom up. Wow. Hey. Wow. And that's something to have, that's a love thing out of Alex because he keeps him going. Keeps him going, man.

Well, let's get to some accolades. I mean, first he was, he was picked one 99 six round in the 2000 draft. I mean, I'm sure everyone knows that by now. He was with the Patriots from 2000 to 2019 and then with the bucks, 2000 to 2022, and actually I just got a quiz on him. How many years did he play in the NFL? And it was right before I talked to him two weeks ago on Fox. Kurt Menafee asked me, we played a little live game.

Hey, how well do you know your teammate Tom Brady? He goes, how many more years did Tom Brady play in the NFL than you? And I played 11 years. And I thought Tom Brady played 24 years. I actually got it wrong. He played 23 years in the NFL. So shame on me. But it was better to be over on that than the hit it right on the nose

But that's how many years he played is that I just know it was so many I couldn't even keep track anymore. He played 11 years more years than he played 11 years more than you and 12 years more than me that is fucking gnarly. I played 12. I played 11 years in the NFL and he played more years in the NFL That I played in the NFL, without me. Does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah. Like, I don't know what that's called, but that's a math term.

That's called a... The whole? That's called goat. That's fucking goat. Yeah, that's called jet fuel. Alex is jet fuel. Alex is jet fuel. Alex is jet fuel. Yeah.

What was the first time you met Tom? The first time I met Tom was actually what was pretty wild when I was at the University of Arizona. You know, I was doing my interview. I had a couple of touchdowns that game. I was showing off my touchdown celebrations and then the lady interviewing me, she's like, who do you see being your quarterback in the NFL?

And obviously right on the spot, I go Tom Brady would be the best quarterback to have in the NFL and especially a great fit for me. And that was just the answer, you know, and then I did my touchdown dances and all that. And then what happens? I get drafted to the Patriots and Tom Brady becomes my quarterback in the NFL.

It was like I manifested it when I was in college. I manifested a lot of things. And if you ask Tom, Tom's probably really big into manifesting as well. He manifested all his Super Bowls because right after he won his Super Bowl, he would already have a clock counting down to the next Super Bowl.

So he was manifesting like crazy. You just learn so much knowledge from him. And he's done so many things right to be able to get to a, you know, nature of where he is now. It wasn't like he just had the athletic ability. He showed up. He did everything right. And he put the time in that you can never argue against him.

Can't you can't. We'll give you an option. So let's get, let's get back to what was I talking about again? I don't know, I just got this. Yeah, I got a little off. First time you met him. Oh, the first time I met him, it was in the training room. I was getting my ankles taped and he walked in.

So I was there already for the rookie camps, the rookie practices, and he just walks up to me. He goes, hey Rob, I'm Tom Brady. And I was like, oh, wow, this guy already knows my name. I mean, that's also what makes him so great as well I'm Tom Brady and I was like, Oh, how this guy already knows my name. I mean, that's also what makes him so great as well is that he already knows all the rookies names, all the guys that were drafted, what rounds they were drafted in, what type of player they already were. Cause he wants to know, you know, their athletic ability, you know, what type of guy they are so he can understand them. So he can be on the same page as the best out of them. So

he can get the best out of them as well. like you said, and he could have that connections to help win games. So he can be on the same, you know, wavelength as them. So he already knew my name, came up to me, and I just thought it was the coolest thing, man. I just said, hey, man, nice to meet you. It was just super quick. When he left, what did you think in your head? Tom Brady knew my name,

and that was the greatest honor to shake his hand while getting my ankles taped. And then he goes and wins four Super Bowls with him. That's crazy. I had a similar story. Yeah, what was it like when you met him? What was that story? I was going from, like you said,

we were already in there. When you're a rookie, you get in there before, back in our day, you get in there before the vets reported. And so you'd be there for like three weeks. You'd rookie camp and learn installations and everything. And so I had a big book. We all had these books. It was like a five inch, remember those old, the old binders?

Before we had iPads, we used to have big old binders. I didn't like carrying them around. I left mine in my locker when I went home. Even though you were supposed to bring it home to study, I was like, I ain't carrying that binder. I used to carry it. Yeah, you did. I do.

I was trying to make a goddamn team. You had to. You had to. So I'm over here getting five minutes before the special teams meeting. It's true. And I'm running through and the vets came in and I saw the vets coming in

because I saw Welk in the cafeteria. It didn't say a word to me. I was, but I wanted to- Big timed you. Big time me a little bit. That's okay. He had a leather jacket on. You big time him now. He looks cool. He looks cool.

I like when you guys big time each other. It's entertainment for me. All right, back to Tom though. And so I knew they were in, but I was going to my meeting and he walks through the door. You know the entrance, the locker room from the hall? He walks in there and he goes, like look at him, I drop my book, I'm like oh shit, this dude's taller than I thought.

And he goes, hey, I'm Tom. I go, Jules, he goes, I know, we have the same agent. Dragon's my agent too, or something like that. And I was like, nice to meet you. And you could, I felt the same way you felt like, damn, he knew my name. That's fucking crazy. But he knew that, he knew everyone's name

and he made everyone feel special. And that was part of his leadership skill. You know, like what made him such an unbelievable leader. He, from the meal ladies to, you know, the people in the equipment room, the training staff, it didn't matter what was going on, how the day went, he was always a pretty cool dude to everyone and everyone was always watching him.

You know what I mean? And that's when you're the quarterback of the team, everyone, no matter what is going on in your life, is watching that person and to see how they react to everything, the success, the failure, your eyes go to that guy. You know, and he was the perfect guy for us, especially when we were young knuckleheads

to look at like, all right, this is how you have to do it. He gave you the example and he was just a fucking- He gave us the blueprint on how to become a reliable, talented, you know, player that you needed to be to help the team win games. He gave us the blueprint on how to become a star out there on the field. He gave us the blueprint on how to make plays,

how to go out there and have that mindset ready to go and also be mentally and physically ready at all times on the practice field and on the game field. There's no doubt about that. And he didn't just give you the blueprint, he showed you the way too. Showed you. Yes, he showed you, hey, this is where I want you

on this route, this is when you need to look at me, this is where the ball is gonna be. Trained you. Yes, he trained you to be like that. Like, a little puppy. Oh, wait. Oh, wait. Oh, you want to take a break? Hey, man, I'm telling you, your mind will let you go farther. Let's go. Four more routes. Let's go. You got to be able to be on the same page as me. You got to be right here. Be more physical. Be more physical. You're bigger than everyone. Run his ass over and turn around and the ball will be there. I promise you. And if you don't

hit that guy, if you're not physical guess what the ball is not gonna come to you he would just lay it out just like that his leadership was just what's that word where it's just brutally honest yes brutally honest and that's what made him so great too so like with him that's what he always harped to gronk with me I in those, cause a lot of times we would get that coaching in the off season when he, we'd go fly out somewhere, we would throw together, you know, cause there's times where you would do it, there was times where I would do it. He would always try to get his throws in with his guys.

And for me, he'd always come up to me and like, hey, I need you to be here. I need you to be like a boxer. You know, you can't be, you can't just do what the thing shows you on the paper. You have to feel it out. You gotta set things up with your jab and then you use your right. You know, it's like a boxer.

You gotta be more savvy in your route running. That's why I remember you saying that. And then he'd always say like, you gotta run like a fucking, you gotta be able to run. You gotta be able to run all day. And like you said, when you were tired, we would do those sets of routes.

He'd make you do three or four extra ones. And he would say, you'd line up and you would, you'd think that the drill was done and he would say, oh, there's offsides on a panel on your teammates or there's a holding call or PI or we got to redo it. And he knew you were dog dead, but he wanted to see, he wanted to get everything out of you when you were on empty, he wanted to see what kind of guy you were and he wanted to show you that's what he expected in game time.

And a word that you could have used in there as well. That kind of sums it up a little bit is he loved a decisive route run decisive decisive. He didn't care if the paper said run 10 yards and run out. He didn't care one bit. He cared about being decisive on the practice field and taking that decisiveness and bringing it to the game field. He goes, Hey, if you're going to run 12 yards, even though it's a 10 yard

route, or if you're going to run eight yards and it's going to be a little short, just be decisive. Let me know when you're going to break out. Let me know when you're going to break down so I can get that ball out and I can read you. I don't need you to have 15 steps where you're slow. You think I think you're going to go to the left and then you go to the right. No, be decisive. If you're decisive, I will find you and that ball will be out and it will be right on point. That's what he said. What's the biggest misconception of him, you think? The biggest misconception of Tom Brady.

I think is that he's cool. Is that, yeah, he is cool. No, I think that's the biggest misconception. He's not that cool. Depends. That's the misconception right there. Because he's cool when he's comfortable. He's cool, but no. Because he's cool when he's comfortable. He's cool, but no.

If he's comfortable in the situation. I think he's not cool when he's comfortable. I think when he's around us, he's kind of like a dork. Yeah, a little bit. And then when to everyone else, he's the coolest guy, which I still think he's the coolest guy ever. But then when you have him around, you're like, he's really kind of a dork.

There's some situations where, you know, if he's comfortable, he's more himself. Yes. Yes. And he's more like, you know, like dad jokey. If he knows all the cameras are shut off, like he can finally just have some time to beat Tom. Yeah, he's kind of dorky.

Okay, okay, I like this. But you need a little dork in your quarterback. You do. Mostly all quarterbacks are a little dorky and that's what makes them quarterbacks. I mean, not all of them, but I'm saying it's kind of like just a trait what quarterbacks have. But a little bit, just a little bit in them.

He is cool, but he's a little dorky. But you just said he's not cool. No, I said the biggest misconception. He's cool. He always keeps a chip on his shoulder. Always. Always. That's not a misconception.

I think everyone knows that. That's work ethic. I know, but I'm just giving some facts about him. What else is a misconception? That he's not clutch. No, that's not even a misconception. Everyone knows he's clutch. Yeah, that's-

Yeah, I just wanted to try to throw you off, Jules. How about this guy also played baseball and got drafted? Yeah, by the Expos. Montreal. Yeah, no wonder why he didn't go and play drafted. Yeah, by the Expos. Montreal. Yeah, no wonder why he didn't go and play baseball. The Expos? I mean, they have a cool hat.

They do got cool colors. They're gone though, they're not even there no more. That's what I mean, that's why he didn't wanna go there. He's like, oh man, my legacy, I go there, the team's gonna be gone, that means I'm gonna be gone, I wanna last forever. I'll go to the New England Patriots instead. Yeah, he was in high school when he got drafted.

He went to the same high school. He knew he was going to the Patriots. Yeah. He went to that, I remember, well, we grew up in the same area. So he went to the same high school as Lynn Swan, Barry Bonds. There's like so many really good athletes

that come out of that freaking school. Sarah, it's all boys school. What was the moment that Tom made you the most annoyed? Oh my God, when I would return punts, like I remember my rookie year, it was the freaking pre-season game. It was my first punt return and there was a repunt and I ended up housing the second one.

But the first one, I see Tom on the sideline and he's got a little anxiety because it's his first game from his knee so he's like he was like coaching me up on how to return a punt he's like just get up I'm sitting there I'm looking at him like fuck this guy this guy has never done this he does not know what I'm feeling right now I was so annoyed with them and then they repunted it and I housed it and I fucking slammed the ball against the thing I was so annoyed with them and then they repunted it and I housed it and I fucking slammed the ball against the thing I was fired up and I was like I was so annoyed with them like this guy isn't

He's never felt what it feels dead when the guys are running full speed that this is new to me I never felt it either at the time. So like fuck this guy. Let me do what I gotta do He doesn't know how to run and I was so annoyed with them I'll tell you mine. What was yours? When I was a rookie and I couldn't get outside of the defender on a flag route, which is flag route, which is a corner route.

So you run about 10, 12 yards and you, you know, you give a little stick and you break at 45 degrees and run a corner route. And the defender was always outside of me sitting at like squatting at 10 yards. And he's always says, get outside. If you have a flag route, corner route, you gotta get outside of me sitting at like squatting at 10 yards and he's always says get outside if you have a flag route corner route you got to get outside of the defender or else I will never throw you the

freaking ball so I was a rookie I was kind of like clunky so I wasn't really that athletic as a rookie you know I wasn't running routes right yeah double days in yeah I was tired as well I couldn't get outside and in practice I didn't get outside of the in practice, I didn't get outside of the guy. He's like two, three yards outside of me too. And I'm trying to fake him like I'm going inside and trying to get around them on the corner. And Brady just turns around in the meeting cause it's on film and he turns around and he goes,

Gronk I'm fucking done throwing you the ball. I told you 50 times to get outside. You're not getting outside. And like I got all sad and algae crumpler started patting my leg and he's like, it's okay. Gronk. You're not getting outside. And like, I got all sad and LG Crumpler started patting my leg and he's like, it's okay, Grant. He doesn't mean it. And I was like, yeah, he does. LG, he means it. And, uh, let me tell you this time you fucking throw me the ball like a thousand times after. So I knew, I knew he was all bullshit time telling me he was never going to throw me the ball again. I was literally like, but that fired me up. I was like, Oh, all right, I'm going to show

this guy. But that's the leadership he had. He was brutally honest, brutally honest. And he would fricking get you to go to the next level, which was crazy, which was crazy. He was so good at it. But I was so annoyed because I couldn't get outside of the guy. He, I'm like, I want to be like, Tom run the fricking route. I guarantee you can't get outside of the guy either. He's three yards outside of me. And then if I got outside of the guy. I'm like, I want to be like, Tom, run the fricking route. I guarantee you can't get outside of the guy either. He's three yards outside of me. And then if I got outside of him, it was basically like an out route

I was running because I would have to flatten it so much. So I couldn't really run the corner route. And you get the other responsibility, the other guy. But he just wanted to get his. Defender in practice is playing the play. Yeah, and then he knew the play. He just wanted to get the point across. So it was just always in my memory.

And every time I ran a route, it was kind of just like on autopilot just to get outside of the defender. So I was annoyed at that, you know, with that situation, but you know, times have changed. I started running routes where I would go inside the guy and then he would still throw me the ball as well later on because he's like, all right,

he proved it enough that he can do it. Well then you guys started throwing the back shoulder shit. Yeah, then we started doing all that. I also used to get really annoyed when, in meeting rooms, if he liked you, I felt both of these. I felt when he liked a guy,

he would like love them up, and then there'd be, so like when Wes was there, I get so annoyed when I would do the exact same thing that Wes would do and He he wouldn't think it was good and I would get so fucking annoyed with them But I remember when Wes left then I was that guy There was guys doing trying to do that what I would do and he wouldn't so like I would get annoyed With that so much when he would always bring up like, babe, just do it a little more like Wessie.

He called him Wessie when he called him Wessie. Remember Wessie? I used to get so annoyed. You want to know what I would get annoyed with him too is like, we're in the off season. We just ran 50 routes. It's like you and I out there only we're dead tired. It's 90 degrees outside middle of the summer. And he'd be like one more, just one more route.

Cause he's just throwing the ball. His arm can throw 150 passes a day. And we're running the fricking 50 routes and he'd be one more. So then we would run, run more. We give it our all. And we're about to throw up. It's middle of the summer. We probably are hung over. He has no clue what that's like. Cause he used to, he used to, but yeah. And then he became lame. Yeah. He became lame for like a couple years. Nah, he, back in the day.

I guess he wasn't lame. If you're saying he's not lame. He was lame, okay? Say it, Jules. No, he was lame. Yeah. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Like when it came to that, he was lame.

But we didn't get him when he was young. Yeah, I know. He was already 33 when I first met him. And then I can tell you this, I'm freaking lame at 33 years old. Compared to when I was freaking 21 to 28 years old. You're right. Because when he was 23, 24,

he was the best chugger on the team. He was. Like he was a dude's dude. So back to the story, like he'd be one more, and then you would run one more route and they'd be like one more. And then you'd just be like, Tom, I'm not

F'ing running one more. I just ran 50 routes. You know, one more, bud, one more. You want to get better? One more. And then it'd be like 15 more routes. And then finally it was the last one. And it was 50 and then you get to 75. He's like, he just wanted 75 throws.

Yeah. He wanted 75 throws. Whatever Tom says, you do. You got to. You got to. 100%. I remember those days, man. That's what made us great though. What was the moment that you felt like you truly

gained his trust and that he could rely on you, even if you mess up again, he knows that you're still reliable. You know what I'm saying? What was that moment? What was that catch? What was that play? If it was a practice or if it was a game. Well, because he loved, he loved Wes.

You just were not playing when Wes was there. Okay, Jules? No, but he couldn't have Tom Brady's trust when you were, when you were on the bench. When Wes left, he didn't like bench players. Okay. He didn't like it. It was when he left, he had no, he had to trust me.

He had to, all right. And then it was week one in 13 where we played Buffalo and we went out there and we won. I had two touchdowns and that's when I felt like, all right, because we had some spurts where, you know, Wes would get banged up and he wouldn't play, but he didn't like, trust me, trust me. Until you had to be the guy.

Until you had to be the guy. Yes, and then he truly trusted you. And that's the situation though. He doesn't really trust a guy that, you know, he's not able to throw to 15 times a just got to see it. 15 times a practice. Yeah. He has to see it. He has to do the repetitions with you

in order to truly gain your trust. And it doesn't happen overnight. No. He gains your trust. And you gain his trust as well, you know, just over time, over time. I would say my situation was when we played the Chicago Bears on the one on one Panther

route when I was going in the snow. Yeah. First Brian Erlacher and he wanted the game. I trust he wants to see me be physical. That's why he always emphasized to me be fucking physical. Gronk. You're 260 pounds. You're going versus 180 pounders or linebackers that you're still bigger than be physical.

And this was the play pan throughout one out run. I run into the end zone, kind of hit the guy with my shoulder, then turn around and the ball will be right there. Because when you're physical, you know, pushes the guy back a little bit. When you use your shoulder, you turn around, then there's that little ounce of separation. And Tom can see that.

He can see the field. He can see all the separation in the world. Sees it. He sees it. He can see every little detail that's going out on the field. And when he sees that little detail in that route, with the physicality, he knows that you're going to be open. There's going to be a little window.

I hit Brian Erlack, and we practiced it. And that Friday, he says, I want to see that in the game, because I ran it great on Friday. So the game comes. When I won versus Brian Erlack, I give him the shoulder, turn right around the balls, right there, nice and low, where it's always supposed to be in the red zone. Boom, catch it.

And ever since then, I gained Tom Brady's trust right there and then on the spot, which was one of the greatest moments of my career. Yeah, I remember that. You know, he had to see it. That's what makes him, he's a dog, man. He's an assassin. He's an assassin. He is an assassin.

What's your favorite Tom memory? My favorite Tom memory is, actually, this is one of my favorite memories of all time. You know, when we were playing the Indianapolis Colts and I ran that five yard out route, caught it. Versed Dequale Jackson, I did a little spin move. He kind of fell, did a little split. It was like very great route by me and

great after the catch too. And then I'm running, you know, I'm going, there's a couple other guys and here comes Julian Adam and Ka-boom! Just absolutely levels Adams to safety, you know, gets him out of my way. I'm like, thanks Jules for the block, you know? And then I'm running into the end zone. I jump over Butler. Yeah. DB. Yeah. DB. What's his first name again? Yeah. Darius Butler, who was previously on the, on the, um, Patriots. And then he went to the Colts and now he's doing a, he's doing a great job in the media. Yeah. McAfee show. He's doing a great job. So shout out to Darius Butler, but I jumped over his ass. Made me look good. Flipped into the end zone. I looked like an athletic 180 pound wide receiver. And then this was the moment,

one of my favorite moments with him. Tom loved the route, loved the catch, loved your block. He was so pumped up. He ran full speed from the 30 yard line. And probably because I got him a touchdown on a play where it never should have been a touchdown. And he came running full speed and jumped on it never should have been a touchdown. Yeah. And, uh, he came running full speed and jumped on my back and went for a ride, man. He was,

I was like a pony on a horse, man. I brought him for a ride, man. I was carrying Tom Brady around in the fricking end zone. He was on a horse. Maybe he was on my back. Put the pony on the horse for a ride. I was waiting for him to drop that quarter in so the ride can keep on going. Yes. I didn't want him to get off. I was like, Tom Brady's on my back.

Like, what else do I need in my life? Oh my God. Yeah, and it's one of my favorite pictures to sign to this day as well. I don't think he ever signed it. It costs like $5 billion to get him to sign a picture. So like I always sign the picture of him on my back. And like, I'm waiting for that picture to be worth

a lot more money once he signs it a couple, you know, but he hasn't signed it yet. Man, that was a fucking fun play. That was a fun play. Thank you for that block. Oh, you leveled it. Adams. Adams. He's talking in the safety. He was a battle.

He was with Denver. He battled with us a lot, man. He brought it. He brought it to, and he wasn't scared. He was good. Yeah, there it is. There's a picture right there. Oh wait, it's signed. There it is, man. He's going for a ride. I'm still waiting for those quarters, Tom. Oh my gosh. There's Tim Wright right in the back too. We won the Superbowl this year, didn't we? Yeah, we won the Superbowl this year. Yeah.

Yeah. I think it was. Who man was a tight end as well on the team. Tim Wright and who man. I love who man. Now, what was your favorite memory, Jules? My favorite memory was when we, it kind of, that 14, My favorite memory was when

it kinda, that 14, when he, we hit that route, he came up to me afterwards and he goes, that was a championship route, man. And like, it was nothing crazy. That's special. And when he, you know, he goes, that was a championship play man And then we want the game you're making me want to tear right now because him saying that's a championship route That's a championship play that means a lot. Yeah, and and then afterwards when he we won

You know like that was his that was when he got four and I just remember, you know There were so many memories of him like you said how he's having the ticker of the Super Bowl location and the whole story where I said and I'm gonna help you try to get to Joe and because I we were both Bay Area fans love Joe Montana and I told me was the greatest quarterback of all time and you know that all that was just a fun memory there's so it's hard to fucking do one okay all right I mean I'm gonna start and you know, that all, that was just a fun memory. There's so many, it's hard to fucking do one. All right, I mean.

I'm gonna start crying. I know, me too. There's a lot of memories with Tom. It's just great to see him. He's doing so good in the broadcasting booth. I mean, if he just puts in 10% of the effort that he did with the game of football in his after career, in his post- post career after football,

he's gonna have the whole world just eat from. He's gonna be successful in anything that he does. And that's what he's gonna do. He's actually gonna go 100% all in with what he does. He's great in the booth, like I said, and he's been improving so much every single week. And it just shows, he is actually human. I mean, week one, he was good.

He got the win, but he definitely could improve. And then all of a sudden week two and three, you're like, what the heck? How did he just go from being like a rookie quarterback to a veteran quarterback and, and one week in the broadcast booth. So just shout out to him. I mean, he dedicates himself and he works on his craft. Like, like no one ever has before. And that's what makes him the greatest at everything.

He cares about making the people look right that give him opportunity. He does. He cares about that, he takes it to heart. And he cares about showing the people that has passed on him that they've fucked up too. He loves that too. So don't ever pass on Tom Brady.

No, I won't. The only thing I'll pass on is that I was kind of a little hesitant when I said he was lame, but he was pretty lame except for when he wins a Super Bowl in Tampa Bay and he gets hammered on a damn boat. Like where was that fucking Tom around us? I was hammered on a damn boat. Like where was that fucking Tom around us? I was bullshit. I was waiting for that the whole entire time

in New England. I was too. That's why I went to Tampa Bay. I went there for that moment. I didn't really want to play football again. I just wanted that moment that I could actually get wasted with Dom. But guess what?

He was on a separate boat than me. I didn't even see him get wasted with Tom. But guess what? He was on a separate boat than me. I didn't even see him at the, at that boat break. So guess what? I still never had a drink with Tom. It took me all the way until the roast to have a drink with Tom Brady. And that's why it was in the roast. I said, Tom, I never had a shot with you ever in my life for a drink. And he took a shot with me at the roast. So that was, that was a cool moment. Yeah.

Well, I mean, it's been 33 minutes. How long can we talk about this guy? I think maybe we should have him on again for another episode. Cause literally I got, literally I can talk about this guy all day long. I can go literally two hours. The more we talk about him,

the more stories that pop up in my head. Same. The more stories about him on the field, off the field, what it's like to be around him, we could talk literally for four hours straight, Jules. What kind of dude is Tom Brady? Well, what type of dude is Tom Brady, ladies and gentlemen? I think this is easy.

Freak, dog, whiz. I think this is easy. Dude, dude. I don't know, what do you think? If it's easy, let's hear it. Let's hear why it's easy. I think he's just a fucking dog. He is a dog.

Mental, physical toughness, always motivated. He didn't have the pedigree. He was, we saw the Brady six, the six guys before him taken in the draft. Like he always had to go to Long Road. He always had to work for everything. Even when he was at his top They were always talking about someone else

He's a fucking dog Yeah I wouldn't say free because a freak is like someone that has like the most athletic ability in the world and he didn't really have The most athletic ability but what's made him so great was that he didn't need the athletic ability because the dog Was working harder than the athletic dog. You know, that wasn't the freak dog that really, or the freaky person that wasn't really working. I think he's got, you know what I mean? Skill like, like shooting, like basically, it's kind of like an archer. Freak instincts. He could throw, he can like throw rocks really good.

He could probably skip a rock really, really, really. Yes. He plays like that pool. Yeah. Like ping pong, ping pong. When I, I, I see you always beat him. Nevermind. He's not good at some paddles. Yeah. He gets really mad when he loses. That's a dog. That is a dog. That's a dog. He wants to go again though. Wants to go again. He won't let you leave. Wants to go again.

He won't let you fucking leave. I mean, we haven't even got to this guy's looks yet either. I mean, we can just say that he's a stud real quick just because of how good he looks. Yeah, I mean, he looks younger than when he got in the NFL. Like his chin, jawline, fricking just facial. Beautiful blue eyes. He posted a picture the other day on Instagram.

Like he's got like a six pack now, like his arms are jacked. I mean he's doing two days. He is doing two days. He's doing two days right now. He's got his body, he's still, so that's why. Maybe AI was fucking right. He's maybe AI. Is he coming back? AI is. Is Tom Brady coming back?

I don't know, he's got a six pack, he got a little, his hair's looking as brown as ever. He gave me the supplement. He saw my gray hair and he goes, here, take this fucking Ouisha. I think it's like Ouisha, ou or something. It's some Chinese medicine. And you put it in the shake.

I put it in the shake. And my hair's already growing. Is it, is my hair darker? That's why I don't have a hat on the show. I wanted to show off my hair because I had the Ouisha product. It's like ooh. I don't know how to pronounce She it's ooh. She ooh Ooshi I got hair. I don't it whatever it is. Look at how good his hair looks. It's just good-looking guy Man, he's a dog. All right. He's a dog. He is a dog. It's official Tom Brady is a dog

Man we could talk about him forever forever standing at six foot three and weighing 215 pounds This legendary quarterback was drafted first overall in 1970 We have a true throwback on our hands ladies and gentlemen I think Saddening number one whoo I? Whoa, I was negative 19 years old in 1970. I was negative 16. Well, 26. No, no, I was negative 26 years old.

No, you were born in 1986. Yeah, so 1986 minus 1970 is negative 16 years old. Yeah, I was just making, I want to see if your math was right. Yeah. Well, thanks, Jules, for checking on it and making me look like a superstar. All right. Well, this guy played 14 seasons in the NFL.

14. Oh, so you were in negative two when he retired. And I was negative five. Yeah, I was negative five when he retired. So this is old. We got an old buck on our hand. Who is this guy? Old, old, old.

He's there. All right. I don't know who it is. Let's keep going. He was known for his strong arm and fearless style. Fearless. He led his team the four Super Bowl titles in six years, earning two Super Bowl MVP's with over twenty seven thousand career passing yards and two hundred and twelve touchdowns.

A Louisiana native. He wore 12 his entire football career off the field. I think I know who this is now. I have a feeling. I'm looking at the pictures, so I know. Well, I mean, I don't, you know, take shortcuts like that. But off the field, he's known for his charisma and humor, making him a beloved broadcaster and entertainer.

Ladies and gentlemen, today's first 12 on 12-12-2024 is who, Jules? Let's get on Terry Bradshaw. Let's roll, baby. Let's roll. Oh, Uncle Terry. All right, Julian. Uncle Terry.

What's the first thing you think of when you hear Terry Bradshaw? One word, legend. I mean, I grew up watching this guy every morning at nine o'clock before the Niners games. Didn't really know is his career I Mean like as a real football head until I got older until we started like getting to research stuff You always knew of who he was because he had four Super Bowls and and he was part of the Pittsburgh Steelers

Which is like a foundational organization for the AFL NFL. But then I got to, you know, then we got to work with them and he's just like a fucking awesome dude. He's like just the best. He's such a good dude and he, you know, he he's been very such a big heart, big heart. And he's a superstar. And he makes you feel comfortable.

Like in the world when we jump into that world of being in TV, Terry Bradshaw, I mean he's one of the reasons why Fox is what Fox is right now. He's a star, he's like, what is it, a parent founder? He's a founder. Of the kickoff pregame show. He's a founder of he's like, what is it? A parent founder? He's a founder. Of the kickoff pregame show? He's a founder of the kickoff show

and him and how he's in there. Howie Long and Jimmy Johnson as well. Jimmy Johnson. And I think it started with JB. James Brown. James Brown. Worked with James Brown, my guy. Who went over to, where's he at now?

CBS. CBS. CBS. Let's not talk about, cause we have Kurt Menafee now. Yeah, we got Kurt. With us here at Fox. We got Kurt. Kurt Menafee, it's a pleasure to have him have Kurt Menefee now. Yeah, we got us here at Fox. We got Kurt Menefee It's a pleasure to have him, you know, I'm glad that switch happened I don't know JB, but I can't imagine having anyone else besides Kurt Menefee. Yeah. No, but back to Terry

he's just a He's like a country dude. He has a story and a joke for anything. He really does remember that the joke he got Brady on a story and a joke for anything. He really does. Do you remember the joke he got Brady on? Where he tells this long, he told this long story. He's got everyone, we're on this trip, a seminar, and he's telling this story about a dog or something. And like, he knows how to get the story going.

I mean, it was a 15 minute, like starting story or pitch. What do you call that? A 15 minute set up. Like he was setting them up for 15 minutes. All for a five second punch line. All for a five. He says they're like you're you're sitting there like you're job. We're all sitting there like you're drooling like,

like what's going to happen next? Is that great of a story? I forget the punch line, but all the other guys, Howie, Jimmy, Michael, they've heard that he tells this damn joke, but he's got he's got Brady on the hook. Brady sitting there shedding a tear. It's about some dog or something. This dog's dying or something. And I forget what the punch line is.

But freaking how he comes in and he goes, oh, the old lady. Yeah, that's a sad one. Like everyone's in on the joke. Brady, who's the like Mr. Emotion is sitting there about to cry and then freaking. I think he dropped a few times. And he drops a punch line, which I'm not doing any justice by not being able to tell the joke, but that's the kind of guy Terry is, man.

He had the whole fucking cast and crew involved in this thing to get Brady just to like let him know he's part of the team. How piss was Brady? Oh, my God. He was. Oh, oh, oh, oh. He got him good. He's got a fun guy to work with because he's testing you always, too, but he's always giving you little bits of advice. Yes, yes, yes. That's you hit it exactly right on.

And Terry Bradshaw is for the people. He loves people. He loves entertaining people. He loves having conversation with people. It doesn't matter if you're a kid, you know, if you're a middle-aged man, who doesn't matter middle-aged woman, like older woman, older man. It doesn't matter. He loves conversation with people.

He loves people. Doesn't matter what background you have. He's going to have a good time with you. And that's what makes Terry Terry as well. It makes him a seven, you know, greatest guy out there. He's testing you like like you said, but at the same time, he's giving you career advice. And that's why I love working with him, because he's always keeping you on your toes. And he makes me feel very comfortable at the desk.

He really does. He kind of put me under his wing when I got there. I knew Terry from a couple times before from a few other appearances and we were hitting it off. And the best was when I came in the Fox and my dad's a huge fan of him. And I just literally come right up to him. We already met a couple of times already though, but it's my first time at

Fox and I just never told him that my dad's a huge fan of them. And I walk up and you know, how he's there, straight hands there. And I go, Hey, Terry, my dad's the biggest fan and everyone thought like, I was going to come in as a big fan, you know, as the new young book, as a rookie and everyone just lost their mind and how he's like, oh, oh, and Michael Strahan was like, oh, it's his dad. That's the biggest fan just to bust his chops as well. But Terry loved it. Everyone. My dad's agent above even under is our huge fans of Terry.

Everyone loves him. Not, you know, obviously because of his football skills and how much he did for the game of football for the NFL, winning four Super Bowl Championships in six years, but also his personality off the field as well, man. People love him You know, he's just a guy that is down for anything singing Dancing Bronson. What is it? Whatever? Missouri? He Branson. I think he does a concert

every year in Bronson and he Branson Branson, Missouri the one from a she Out of Your League, where they go on that vacation. You know what I'm talking about? So I think he does that. He sings. He'll go do like shows. He's done stand up. He's done movies. His butt cheeks were in a fucking Ryan Reynolds movie.

He always he talks about that. I mean, I'm the football field. I mean, everyone loves him off the football field. But I mean, he played so long ago, 1970 and 18, whatever, to 1984. Yeah. And it feels like he played in the 1800s, actually, because he played before we were even born. But like you said, I didn't really know the game of Terry Bradshaw until I got a little bit older and I started working with him. And then I started going

back and watching the history of football and Terry Bradshaw. I mean, he's one of the leaders and he's kind of like a co-founder of bringing the NFL to a whole nother level and winning championships and, and creating the past game as well. I mean, the guy's got a strong arm. He's an exceptional leader. He's a gunslinger and he's resilient as well. I mean, he had one of the toughest coaches in the history of the NFL, you know, from what I'm reading and what I'm experiencing, watching documentaries about the Steelers and Terry, this guy wanted to bench him and he still went out and won super bowls. I mean, mean, pretty incredible. I mean, he's clutch mobile. He has the ability to extend plays too

when we were watching his highlights. So tough as hell. Tough as nails, man. I mean, the way those guys were getting hit back then, like he always tells me these stories about him when he breaks, he's breaking his back and stuff and guy like he Kim comes back two weeks later and like those guys were

on a whole different gridiron. Like we were tough football guys. And yeah, the game's probably a little faster and bigger now. But I mean, when you watch guys back in those days play, it looks like it's illegal. Mm hmm. Like forearms to the face, taking guys down by their face masks, fitting on a guy when he's down, fucking people's elbowing, the things that we got in trouble for were like legal

in this time and he played 14 years and had two back-to-back Super Bowl runs. That's what people don't realize. He went back-to-back, they didn't win a couple and then he went back-to-back again, which is fucking crazy. The Pittsburgh Steelers are like one of the most popular organizations in football because of Terry Bradshaw

and those teams, like setting that stage or an early, early football, which isn't like early, early, early football, but like 70s football, early, early football, which I mean, I went to Kent State, so that's like two hours from Pittsburgh. And I just remember there was always so many fucking Pittsburgh Steelers fans everywhere around there.

There'd be a lot of Cleveland Browns fans, but so many Pittsburgh Steelers fans everywhere. They travel, and it's because of Terry Bradshaw and those 1970 teams. Would you say he is the original TB12? Yeah, he is. I mean, I think Tom Brady wasn't a glee in his mom and dad's eye yet when he was winning Super Bowls.

1970, when was Brady born? 75? It actually makes it so fun being on the set with, what makes it so fun, you know, working with Terry, though, being on the set, and now that Tom Brady is with Fox as well, is that I get the joke who my favorite TB12 is, you know? And it's whoever's treating me nicer at the time.

So Tom comes in, you know, I'm asking him a question, and he gives me props. I look at Terry, I'm like, Terry, Tom's my favorite favorite TV 12 right now. And then Terry gets all mad and upset and then he goes, but grunk, I love you. And you're doing this great. You're doing this great. And I look back up at Tom. I'm like, hey, the original TV 12 is my favorite TV 12 time.

I'm sorry. I love just working it and playing. It just makes a lot of fun. And that's why it's so fun working at Fox to just with the teammates that we have is just You know unbelievable. Have you heard that Tom Brady and alias story? I Have actually from Terry. Yeah, so Terry will let's hear it Three is surreal in 1983 when he needed to get an elbow surgery

He didn't want it to be in the paper. so he used an alias name at the Louisiana hospital. You know what that name was? Tom frickin' Brady. Tom Brady, you can't fuckin' write that. And then the original TB12 basically faked, named the current TB12? That's fuckin' gnarly. That's some psychic shit. Yeah, he was also Terry Bradshaw was number one pick to live up the expectation from Louisiana Tech

To be the number one pick small country boy to go to the Pittsburgh Steelers and win four Super Bowls That's fucking crazy Crazy, he was a flat out winner. And what I love about Terry, too, is nothing stopping that guy still to this day. I mean, whatever gets in his way, whatever gets in his path, he just keeps climbing over it and just keeps on going. He's always ready to go 24 7. I'm 35 and I look at him sometimes throughout the full day at Fox.

And I'm getting tired and Terry, never getting tired. He's always ready to go. Boom, boom, boom, always on point, always giving a one liner, always talking football, always breaking down a play. He's just immaculate and I love learning from him and I love being under his wing and I love working with him as well, man.

Is he immaculate, like the reception? Ooh. And then also, one on a on a serious note I'm pretty sure Terry Bradshaw was like one of the first NFL guys to talk about mental health back in those days Which you know, it's talked about all the time now with with football players and athletes and it's pretty norm now but it wasn't like that when we were playing, like people were, you know, there was a stigma or a perspective or perception on guys that wanted help mentally or if you wanted to go talk to someone

and like to have a guy like Terry Bradshaw in the 70s, who was a fucking icon, you know, talk about his mental health. That's a big part for why we are we're at right now in sport. You know, being OK to like talk about your mental health. That's a big part for why we are. We're at right now in sport. You know, being OK to like talk about your mentals, you know, as as what is it? Marshawn Lynch says you have to protect your chickens. You know, Terry Bradshaw was protecting his chickens back in the day. Mm hmm. I like it, Terry, man.

I appreciate everything that you've done. But I got a question real quick. If Terry's alias name was Tom Brady, what would your alias name be Jules? Oh, I'll tell you mine right after mine's pretty good and it's understandable. My alias, an alias name. I would go with uh, would it be Danny Amandola? No, I think he would go with the Francisco, Francisco, Delaware. Francisco, Delaware. Yeah.

But that's how you would call like the hotel and be like, what name would it be under? Francisco, Francisco, Delaware. Yeah. Francisco, Delaware. I'm not even going to ask you where that came from. Mine's Bobby Whiskers because I got whiskers all over the place out here. Like my hair's growing, I kind of shaved last night. Bobby Whiskers? That's a good fucking name. Bobby Whiskers goes really well and it works every time.

That's like an Italian like wise guy like nickname. My friend one time he came into my hotel room drunk and he got on the phone to call room service And you know how they answer and they're like and they say your name. They're like, hello, mr. Whiskers How may I help you and he his jaw dropped? He was hammered. He goes mr. Whiskers and he looks at me He goes you're freaking mr. Whiskers. He and then he gets back on the wall. Yes. I'm mr. Whiskers I'll fucking give me eight cheeseburgers and he hung back up and then eight cheeseburgers came I'll fucking give me eight cheeseburgers and he hung back up and the eight cheeseburgers came.

Wait, so you actually use this in Alias Name? Yeah, all the time actually. Bobby Whiskers. Oh, I can't wait to. Time. What kind of dude is Terry Bradshaw? I mean, I feel like this one's pretty easy. It is.

It is? He's obviously a dog. When you play in those days, in the 70s, everyone had to be kind of doggish. I'm just gonna put it out there. You had to be a dog to play in the fucking 70s. I mean, how physically and mentally tough he was too. You're getting your teeth kicked in,

and then you're going to work at the gas station in the off season. That's a dog. He's a great dudes dude. He is? I mean, at work, he's a guy, he's a glue guy at work whenever we work with him nowadays, like he's always talking shop

and he'll make his rounds to like everyone and you know. Wanna go out to dinner, have a good time with you, have a drink with you. He's definitely a dudes dude. I mean, we dude. Big time. We did go gambling once. We played craps and he's never played craps before. And I'm not joking.

Terry was rolling and he rolled for fucking 61 minutes. 61 minutes, we had to get it timed. Why not add eight more minutes to that? I wish you would have. But I took it. I won so much money with Terry and like I'm sitting there like Terry, give me a fucking a Tom Ratan. He's like, what's that? And he's thrown it. I'm like, it's a 44. Like, is that I'm like, 44. Yeah, we won. I'm like, yeah, we won. Terry. Oh, Jules, you're gonna be excited right now.

I wanna go to Vegas with you, brother. So he's definitely a dudes dude. He is a dudes dude, but I would stamp him as a dog because of the era that he grew up in and just what he did too under his head coach, wanting to bench him and him not, you know, nothing ever facing him. He's also a stud though.

Winning four Super Bowls in six years as well, which is pretty incredible. That's crazy. I mean, what are we gonna do? What are we gonna break him down as, Jules? On three, one, two, three, dog. Stamp it. All right, let's go.

Let's get on to our next. And now it's time that we're going to get on a dude. And we're going to get on a dude that's a big name in this year's draft. And that's your only hint. Give me the AI. We haven't done this in a while. Give me the AI summary of this draft pick.

Start the clock. The AI synopsis. 10 minutes. Ready, steady, go. AI. Standing at six foot two and weighing 223 pounds, this quarterback dude has made his mark in college football history.

He grew up in West Columbia, Texas and played high school football at Columbia High where he earned first team all district honors. He is projected as the potential number one overall pick in the 2025 NFL draft after a standout season at Miami, where he won the Manning award and ACC player of the year, as well as setting the NCAA division one career touchdown record with 178. First off, I didn't know there was a manual award, so we should talk about

that, what the Manning award is. Yeah, me neither. So let should talk about that what the manning award is and you know, yeah me neither So let's talk about that. Let's let's see what that award is. I kind of want to win the manning award I know I love the mannings are hilarious. You have the manning award. You're on every commercial that it like You have the manning award for cuz he's there the mannings are on every commercial now your own I out manning the mannings. It should be the Gronkowski award are on every commercial, now you're on. I outmanning the Mannings. They should be the Gronkowski Award. His rapid development, elite arm talent,

and clutch performances have elevated him from a zero star high school recruit, zero stars. Zero stars. I gotta hear about his journey, man. I didn't know he was a zero star recruit. If you're a zero, that's bad. Yeah, and this dude was a zero. He about to be the first pick.

Yeah. About to the hella stars. All right. Elevate him from a zero star high school recruit to the drafts top quarterback prospect. Let's get on. To Cam Ward. Ooh, Cam Ward.

Man. All right, let's get back to that manning award real quick. What is the manning award? I never heard about it. What's the manning award? It's probably an to that Manning Award real quick. What is the Manning Award? I never heard about it. What's the Manning Award? It's probably an elite award. It's got to be.

College quarterback award, Peyton Manning Award. Peyton Manning did light it up at Tennessee. He did. He lit it up at Tennessee. I mean, all the Mannings have lit it up in college and in the NFL, which is just incredible. So I understand why there's a Manning Award. Yeah. And this, and Cam Ward got it. Mm-hmm

Now that's quarterback in college football without a doubt my understanding. Oh, it's named after Archie named after Archie and the whole sense because it started in 2004 and I think Peyton was still playing so like you don't really get an award named after you until like you're totally done with With your whole career, but cam ward This guy's a stud Not like that But this guy's made his own path I mean going from a zero star to what what is the first school he went to incarnate word in Texas

FCS then he went to Washington State balled out the draft, didn't like where he was potentially going to go, plays it smart, goes make five million bucks, Miami, and bets on himself. And now he's going to be the first pick. And it's not even really close. I mean, he reminds me, I heard someone say it, I forgot who said it. He reminds me of Steve McNair. And it's really cool that he's potentially gonna be in Tennessee where Steve Mcnair Balled I mean you look at his he's always on balance when he's throwing like you see his feet And he's always on balance. He always has his feet with him when he's about to throw. I like his arm

That's good quarterback mechanics good quarterback mechanics He has that one he had that one where he rolls to his left and he flips his hips and he hits the guy in the back of the end zone Like across the field not like way across the field but over the field But he flipped his hips like a shortstop and he's slaying that thing Like I always see him with really good feet and he's pretty damn athletic. I think he's gonna be a really good football player I hope I hope that he gets paired up with the play caller that Adjust to his game because that's that's a huge part To to the development of these young quarterbacks. It's the ecosystem that he gets in

So I hope Tennessee has this prepared because I mean he ran a four four eight Six to not a runner runner, but he has athleticism. You see him in the pocket. He's very elusive in the pocket. What do you think about this guy? Well, can you just go back reiterating when you said he went into the draft or to the combine and he didn't like where he was gonna get drafted

and then he went to the University of Miami. So that's something new that I just learned. You can still enter the draft, go to the combine, and if you don't like where you're gonna be selected or projected, you can go back to college. Can you explain that to me? That's a rule now? Did he go to the combine?

He went to the combine? How did that happen? He initially entered his name. He entered his name. Decided, nah, I'm not going to draft. I'm gonna transfer to Miami. Okay. Now was that a, see now was that a see was that a

Was that a negotiation ploy to get more money from a school like this? This is like it's all about leverage leverage. It is so he wanted John Elway in college So he wanted to improve his draft stock and capitalize on NIL So he decided to transfer to Miami from Washington State. I mean that's that's impressive and if he was projected as a fifth rounder I think it was so his contract would have been like a three-year five million dollar deal so he went back to college made all that money NIL money and now he's projected probably to sign like a 30 to 40 million dollar deal if he's the first pick of

the draft. I mean that's how you count on yourself. That's a guy that that knows what he's doing because he's been counted out his whole entire life being a zero star from the beginning coming out of high school. So he knew that he could just keep on capitalizing, keep on gaining, keep on improving, you know, and that's why he went back to college shooting the University of Miami. And here's my story about Cam Ward. I had no clue who Cam Ward was, you know, I don't follow college like that much.

You know, you know, all the big guys, I follow the University of Arizona. I watch a couple of games. We gotta watch a lot of football, we gotta watch a lot of pro football, talk about that. Exactly, Jules, exactly. I know the NFL, know all the guys inside and out, but I just have this game on, you know, at out, but I just have this game on at my house.

There's a football game on at my house, and I'm just peeking at it, doing some work on my computer. And that's why football's so great as well, because you can just put a game on in the background, and you can just do peeks and just get entertained real quick and then go back to work, whatever you're doing, hanging out with your friends. It's a little situational stimuli like third and eight cool yeah

all right now I'll watch this oh ready your target oh hell Mary okay end of the game how Mary okay I gotta watch this hold on one second oh shit oh he sucks back to business hey hey man situation oh my god yeah fucking mailman is always late for first and, I give no shit, you know. Back to work, let me get my work done. Fourth and goal, okay, let's see what's going on. All right, so I'm just peeking at the game, and there's this quarterback that's just dominating.

Like his talent level is just that much higher than everyone out on the field. And I'm like, this guy is special. Like this guy looks like an absolute animal, his talent level is just that much higher than everyone out on the field. And I'm like, this guy is special. Like this guy looks like an absolute animal, absolute beast. And it looks like it's high school football because of how talented this guy was compared to everyone else out on the field. So I seen like a big run. And I see another big run and I see some crazy pass. And then I, I didn't really look who was playing. So then he caught my attention that much I'm like all right let me see what team

what team this is who's playing and I look and it's the University of Miami I think it was versus Virginia Tech and I'm like this is division one football this is the University of Miami well Cam Ward was making it look so easy out there out on the football field that I thought it was a high school game in some absolute five-star football player just absolutely dominating everybody else. That's how special he was and I was just peeking at the screen and that's when I fell in love with Cam Ward and I was like this dude is an absolute monster out there out on the field and then I tuned in for rest of the game. And I'm pretty sure it was that Virginia Tech game.

It could have been another game, but they were down. He came back, threw a bomb, had like a 20 yard run touchdown. And it was just incredible what he was doing out on the field. And then I looked him up right there on the spot. And he was the projected top five pick. And I was like, that makes a lot of sense now. But just that story alone like to come from a zero star to go to the school I don't even never even heard of

To wash in state playing a pack 12 when it was the pack 12 then go to Miami Bet on himself for one more year. I mean, that's a great story. I can't wait to watch him but I I watch his film and like how he even pats the ball, like Steve McNair, and like he's always on balance in the pocket and he keeps his eyes down the field. I'm just so, I just hope that, you know, Tennessee can surround this kid and he has an actual shot,

you know, you wouldn't want to see that go to waste. But I mean, yeah, he holds Miami single season records for yards for 4300 plus yards completion, 305 39 TD passes, 67.2 completion percentage. I think that was 1.8% too low, Julian, if you can do that math. So he was a little down there. I might take him number two overall now, not number one overall. I think he slid in the drafts, you know.

His drafts not because of that. But he has the most career Division I touchdowns, 178. So that's combined passing and and Russian correct it's got to be I mean yeah for sure the guy runs like a freak of nature so he's running touchdowns all over the place he never looked like he got caught from behind nah he never he doesn't look like he's a burner but he's a look like Steve McNair I don't think Steve McNair ran crazy fast but you watch Steve man he was like he reminds me of him. It's crazy.

I think Dan Orlowski said something about it on one of his shows. And I was like, and I started watching, I'm like, this motherfucker really does look like Steve McNair. And I loved Eric McNair. He was so fun to watch. And McNair played for the Tennessee Titans.

I know. Houston Oilers, right? Well, both. Houston Oilers and Tennessee Titans, both. Something like that, I think. I'm guaranteeing this guy is the number one pick in the draft. You guarantee it?

I'm guaranteeing it. All right. I'm taking it. I feel like he solidified it as well at his pro day. He absolutely dominated his pro day, and I think he should be the number one pick as well. I just love the way that he plays the game. He can throw the ball, he can run the ball.

Smart player too. Zero star recruit because he was in a wing tee offense. That's, you know, that's a huge part of why he was zero star. That's all like counter shit. I played against that. Well, that's probably. 1998 Super Bowl game against Naperville Redskins. We ain't never seen the wing tee before

coming from the West coast of Redwood City went over the parking lots of Disneyworld saw these kids running a wing tee in the Walk through we're like what the fuck are we getting into and yeah It's a bunch of guys just running a bunch of different shit all the time It's very tough. And so it's hard for the quarterback to get any noticed he only averaged 12 pass attempts Well, that's probably where he learned how to run the ball that exactly Exactly. I mean this is this is gonna be fun. I'm excited to see

You don't hear anything bad about him I Have never ever heard anything like he's not a problem to be around like Regardless of what you want to say about Shador Sanders people talk about him for being there's something there You know of some kind of something I haven't heard of any of those kind of stories with cam ward I don't know if that's a media do shit or this or that But like he seems to be like a good like liked guy in the locker room Well, I could tell you this. If you're a zero star, you got to be level headed

and you got to be going in the right direction. Because if you're a zero star and you're causing problems in life, you're never going to get any opportunities. You can be a five star and cause 500 problems in your life, but you're going to keep getting chances. But when you're a zero star, they're just going to overlook you if you have a background of bad

behavior as well. So clearly, you know, the football gods are on his side because he seems like a great dude, you know? And that's why you probably haven't heard anything, you know, intangible about him. So for all you young kids, if you think you're a zero star, you still have a shot because Cam Ward was a zero star. Now he's about to be the goddamn first pick

of the national football draft tonight. All right, Time. What kind of dude is Cam Ward? I don't know, Julian. I think we know right at the beginning, right off the bat. No, it was 10 minutes ago or like 20 minutes ago. So I think I forgot I got hit in the head a lot since I got drafted 15 years ago and the second round, 42nd pick overall. I can remember that still. I said he was a stud But he's developed himself into a stud, but he wasn't always a stud and a stud is always a stud. Mm-hmm. That's a good point Mm-hmm. Okay was zero stars ain't studs. You know what they are Dogs, they're fucking dogs

Okay, and he's right up my alley. I was a fucking zero star. Mm-hmm. I was a zero star That's why you ain't a stud No No Maybe for breakfast you can be a stud Lee muffin, but that's all Stud Lee muffin raw your dog Julian you were zero star You know what and that's from the stories we've been talking our loser. I was a zero star. You know what, and that's from the stories we've been talking about. Zero star loser, I was a four star. I think I was a two star.

Yeah, you were, because if you get an offer, you're automatically a two star if you go division one. But he didn't go division one. I went to Juco first. I had to go to Juco. Oh, so you were a zero star. Zero, you know that game? It's either a zero or a one.

You're a zero. Well, know who wasn't a zero? Cam Ward. And we already just declared Woody. He's officially on three. One, two, three, dog. Dog. Yeah, I mean, the story of him being

zero star to Woody is gambling on himself to come back, transfer to Miami. It's honestly these new stories that are going to be developed with this new rule system. You're going to see a lot of this kind of story, I bet, guys that start at a lower level school, dips to another school, then goes to another school. I mean, that's what happens when you're a free agent every year.

And you're not really going to see that guy that's Division II that's dominating to get drafted really anymore because he's gonna get scooped up in the in the transfer portal now and go Division 1 you know before his junior and senior year. So you're not really gonna see that Cinderella type player anymore which is kind of disappointing a little bit it was always so fun it's kind of like March Madness I mean you got four number one seeds going going at it for the final four. Why? Because they're powerhouses there every single year.

They're going to scoop the best players and pay them. It's not like you're going to get the 16 seed and just some random guy that developed late in college, you know, dominating, you know, on some no name team, he's going to get scooped up from that no name and get paid and go to a powerhouse program, leave with the coach. You know, so you're not really going to get scooped up from that no name and get paid and go to a powerhouse program. Leave with the coach. You know, so you're not really going to see that anymore, even in the NFL. So it's basically going to be all division one guys that are going to be drafted now. I mean, I'm sure there's going to be

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We both have our own goals. Yours is to rate dudes. Mine's to be silly. Sometimes you got to rate a dude to be silly. You're OK. Well, let me rate another dude. Let's go. Are we rating next? You also. This is a German episode. The Germans are very serious.

I'm sorry for joking around and trying to make people laugh and be silly It's it's a serious show now nine That means no in German This beer like tastes like sour patch kids Yeah, it's really sweet and tasty. It's like a wine. It's a Heffenweissen, I think. Well, it's very good.

There's gotta be sugar in here or something. I'm telling you, it's really sweet. I think that's like a huge part of beer. It's delicious. Sugar pops. Is that what they do? That's how it makes the alcohol. Really?

Yeah. Really, okay, I didn't know that. All right. Hops. Let's get on to Amenra St. Brown. What does the AI have to say about Amanra St. Brown? Start the clock. Amanra St. Brown, a standout wide receiver for the Detroit Lions,

is known for his precise route running and reliable hands. Since his debut in 2021, he's consistently shown his talent, amassing 346 catches for 3,877 yards and 24 touchdowns. He made a name for himself at USC before hitting the NFL. With German roots adding an interesting twist to his backstory, St. Brown carries a rich heritage off the field. He's known for his gen genuine down to earth nature and commitment to giving back to the community. He's he's he's for the kids. He's a good guy.

I watched him on receiver, hard working guy. Yeah, that's for sure. He's been working his butt off ever since he was a young buck doing all the ladder drills. His dad was there to train him That was mr. Universe. Yeah, how crazy is that? Twice whoa, like he there's like videos of all my Ron his brother who's also in the league. What's what's his name? Equidinus. Yeah, I'm not reading that do that's so hard equinemius. You wanna you wanna know what equimeneus means? What is it?

Well, there's like sometimes I like just know things. Like, it's just wild. You're gonna probably be mind blown, but equidemius. There's things I can't say, but there's things I know. Equinemius. But it's the Egyptian god of medicine. Oh, Imhotep is the Egyptian god of medicine. Oh my gosh, Jules.

Okay, let me redo that one. Hold on, hold on. Do I know what equinous, H of toppings? Emo hot tip? Yeah. Emo hot tip, what does it mean? The Egyptian god of medicine. That's tough to say, and I can't believe you knew that.

I just know things like that. So Amirah is the Egyptian king of gods. Equamonus, Emo-tep is the Egyptian god of medicine. Osteros is Egyptian god of medicine. Osiris is Egyptian god of death. Hey, those are some badass names. His dad had a plan for these kids. He definitely had a plan and they're going out and they're executing. I'm such a fan of Al Moura Saint Brown.

You want to know who he reminds me of? The way that he plays the game? The way that he runs his routes? Bowl routes? In cuts? Out routes, in cuts, out routes. Like you, Jules, like you. You guys are very similar, my man. We do have similar game, I feel. I mean, because he moves around a lot,

he's great with the ball in his hands. And most importantly, you both are boxer ripped. He's ripped. You're ripped, he's ripped. You guys have similar built, same height, I think. Tall, you five, 10? Five, 10, five, 10. What's his height? Oh You're ripped, he's ripped. You guys have similar built, same height I think. Tall you five, 10? Five, 10, five, 10. What's his height?

Oh, nevermind. He's six foot. He's six foot. I'm sorry, Jules. He's six foot. But you're both ripped, central. He's five. Jack Diesel.

He's versatile. He makes big catches. And I'm excited for him and the Detroit Lions. I mean, he's gonna be a cornerstone of this organization and where they're going in these next few years. And hopefully it's, it's to the top. I think it's time for Detroit to have their time. He has great Yak ability. When he catches the ball, he makes guys miss always. He's strong runner, strong lower body. He doesn't just help out the team. He helps out Jared golf tremendously as

quarterbacks love players. Yak daddies. Yak. I mean, it just pats their stats big time. And I mean, he can track that ball. Yeah. He's going to attract in the ball. He tracks really good. He's really good at that. And I would say that might pertain to, you know, some training with his dad, because when I was growing up, my dad would hit tennis balls at us,

like really high and we would have to track the ball. And then he would hit it like full speed as too. So our reaction time would just improve week in week out as a kid so he kind of had a similar you know style growing up brothers obviously to compete with and then also his dad you know putting him through drills and training right away as a kid so being able to track a ball just goes way back to when you're a child and he does a great job with it on the football field. 100% had crazy dad that made him do crazy drills. I'm a part of that club as well. I remember my dad when I was getting into the league

to return punts, I never caught punts really. I did a little in college but I was a quarterback and I would get on the press box at the high school and punt off the press box while I had those a pair of sunglasses that were taped with one eye closed. So I had to catch a punt off of my dad kicking it off the press box while my sister was throwing little like tennis balls at me. So distract me. Like, you know, having the crazy, he definitely had crazy dad that made him do crazy drills. You can

just tell. Well, we just tell. We did too. That's why we really like this guy. Love this guy. Tough guy. He plays with toughness. It's tough. It's crazy when one of your guys on your offense, one of the toughest guys in your offense is your receiver.

It's very rare and he's like that. He brings a toughness to that team. Him and Penne Sewell and a lot of the guys, but he's one of those guys. You watch him in the run and a lot of the guys, but he's one of those guys. You watch him in the run game, his blocking in the run game is huge. He goes in, lays hat on the safeties, digs guys out for force.

You can put him anywhere. He makes catches in every spot. He can run ball down. He runs good go routes too. I mean, he's not just a slot guy. He's a versatile guy, ball great in his hands hard to bring down Wake faster than you think he's Elitely quick. He's stronger than what you think. He's a fucking good football player

That's why you getting paid a little money getting paid 30 million dollars 30 million dollars I think he's got 30 million dollar contract. That's more than you made your whole career damn near Feel bad for you, Jules. Hopefully this podcast help you out. Hopefully the podcast will. I'm in raw, man. I'm trying to make slot receiver here. You come join, dude.

Yeah, can you also tweet out this podcast because we're just trying to make some money. Jules made his whole career, made 30 million, you know. And now you made it in one year. Can you help us out? Can you help him out? Can you help them out? Can you tweet us here? I mean, man, please, please. Thank you.

Thank you. You think our dads could beat up his dad? Maybe if it was two versus one to. Yeah. I think that would be tough. Papa Edel dog, Papa Gronk first Papa St. Brown. That would be a fuck coming to arena near you. That's a cage match. My dad just got a hip surgery, so I think he'd be a little out right now, but he bites some kneecaps. He do some Dan Campbell shit.

I think I am on has been throwing a couple of TV's as well, which is pretty cool. I've been watching, you know, the Detroit Lions. I'm a fan of the Lions, actually, especially coach Dan Campbell. They're just fun to watch and he fits the system 100%. And he's bringing, you know, that that type of style to life that Dan Campbell wants, and that's why he's such a great mold there in that organization. And it's cool because they do all the trick plays and he's so versatile that he can throw the ball as well and do what, you know, they're asking him to do.

So obviously you thrown a couple couple passes in your career. How would you rate his passes that he has thrown, Jules? How many touchdowns has he got? He's got three, a Tuddy to, what was it? 2024, week four against Seahawks. Had a receiving touchdown and a throwing touchdown and a passing touchdown. He threw it back to Jared Goff. Yeah, he did. He threw it back to Jared.

It looked like a tight spiral. He's so strong that, you know, he got tight. You got to be probably got a strong ass and he laid it in perfectly. Yeah, he could throw the ball. He could throw the ball. One trade, I would say that Dan Campbell, I've seen him talking about him in a press conference is just how consistent he is with his routine. And to be a great player in the NFL, you got to have a great routine,

especially as you get older, especially as the years continue to pack on you. You got to have that routine to be, you know, consistent. So you can go out there and do what you need to do out on the football field. When you're 20, 21, 22, I mean, there's a little routine, but not as big of a routine that you need to be when you want to consistently be on top of your game. When you start hitting your mid 20s to 30s and I'm on Ross, St. Brown has a routine. He's going to play for a while and he's a great player out there and just huge

props to him for what he's doing in Detroit. Real mature of him to realize the routine too. It's such a young part of his career. Like if you're that, that's a mature mindset. If you're, that's like a pro. When you get in a locker room, you have your time dialed out for what you have to do to get your work in, to make you better each and every day.

And you could just tell he's a product of that routine. Does the same shit. Probably does the catching drills before the game, which I think he does. He has the weight, the weight routine. I bet you he does a lot of prehab. I mean, he's he's definitely a routine guy, but he's his mom's from Germany, right? He speaks German.

He also speaks French. He speaks English. He's got a great podcast with his brother, a 33rd team. After scoring his first touchdown in 2023, you remember the little hip thrust thing he did? No, I don't. Can you show me the key and pill? He's like, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. I remember. He said he would have gave he would have been flagged if he gave one more pump like the kid. He knew he's a smart guy. He knew one more pump speaks like six more pumps. He was done. One more pump and he's done.

Oh, here it is. One pump, two two pump and he stopped that's that's discipline that is discipline dan campbell wanted to see that third pump too he did he he did no he wanted he wanted a 15 yarder nah he wanted to see in the locker room after the game I wanted to see in the locker room after the game. Yeah, right. Kimmel crazy. Well, Jules, have you ever been flagged for a celebration? I have not.

Oh, I guess I got I got I got fine for throwing the ball in the stand. That's not a flag, though. Yeah. Did you get flying? I got I did one time I actually Gronk spiked the football really hard and coach Balachuk always harped. Don't spike it near an opponent because if it hits anyone, it's a 15 yard penalty. Yeah. And I literally spiked it. It was very suggestive.

I think it was a Monday night game. It was Sunday night football. It was my second year in the league when I was going off, scoring all those touchdowns and I Gronk spiked it and no one was around. The ball literally went like 15 yards that way and it hit the guy in the shoulder and there was a flag thrown and then all of a sudden he was like, oh, whatever. Personal file number 87 on the offense penalty will be added on to the kickoff. And I was sitting there like, how did I just get a get a penalty?

Like, well, what did I just do? And I watched the replay and they showed the ball going like 15 yards all the way over to the left and hitting the Jets player in the shoulder. Yeah, it was the weakest penalty I've ever gotten. Because you're too jacked. You literally threw the ball so hard at the ground and went 15 yards the other way.

It was like the same power as Mr. Olympian, Mr. St. Brown. Mr. St. Brown. What a badass to have sons in the NFL like that and he's and and and he's more jacked than all of them I don't think any he was well he was he was he was Those guys are those guys are pretty jacked and they you know the apples don't fall too far from the tree They're all jacked man. They're all jacked. Would you rather have a dad? That's mr. Universe or an arm wrestling world champ? Tyson Bay Bay's it. Remember the backup QB on the Bears, his dad over the top fucking

my Sylvester Stallone trying to win the goddamn. I would say an arm wrestler champion, dad of the world, because it just kind of lasts longer. You know, you'll always have that power as an arm wrestler. Even when you're like, you know, even when you're like 65, the world. I know. But I feel like that doesn't last as long. I mean, you're still going to be jacked. But like as an arm wrestler, you're the most jacked guy in the universe.

Mr. Universe is the jackedest. You would you be the ultimate dude, actually, if you're the most jacked person in the world Yeah arm wrestle talent's cool. Ask Danny Amandola that I mean he broke someone's arm doing it. Yeah No at a party after the super yeah, okay talk about that. All right, we're done we can keep that in because well it was Arm wrestling I would have I would have my dad be mr. Universe and the most jacked man in the whole. Got it. I want I want I think I'm going 1000 percent. Mr. Universe. Fucking bling bling bling.

I'm going straight Jack, homie. Could you show me that again, please? Boom bling, bang. I just never seen you in that character, Jules. That was pretty impressive, mate. Was that your German in you, that you flexing like that? Um, yeah, yeah. Yeah, wow.

It's your German in me. Time. Well, what kind of dude is Amon Ra Saint-Brown? Amon Ra Saint-Br Well, what kind of dude is I'm on raw st. Brown? I'm on raw st. Brown. What kind of guy is he? I mean He's a dog. He's a dude. Is he a dude's dude seems pretty cool. Yeah, he is cool He's smart as fuck. He knows ten languages He's also a stud second round guy went to USC grew up and you grew up Anaheim, you grew up in SoCal and you get to go to USC or fucking stud.

That's just that your your stud. He's a freak. He's explosive as hell. I wouldn't put him in that freak category, though. I think it's he's he's more impressive because he's not so big. And he's not a freak. Yeah, you got you got to be huge to be a freak. Yeah, you got to be huge or something like that.

Caffe freak dog. He's definitely relentless. Yeah, you gotta be huge to be a freak. Yeah, you gotta be huge or something like that. DK Metcalf. Freak. Dog, he's definitely relentless. Oh, he is relentless. He's definitely, so. He's motivated big time as well. Every day he is. He's self-motivated.

Yes, he is. He's a self-motivated guy. He is juice, he is juice. All right, on a count of three, you tell me who you think he is, I'll tell you what I think he is on three. One, two, three, Dog. He's a dog. He's definitely, I'll tell you what I think he is on three. One, two, three, dog. He's a dog.

He's definitely, did you say dog? I said stud. You said stud? Yeah. I thought I heard dog. I said stud just cause he's very athletic. But he's got that toughness in him, that gritty, gritty. He does have some serious toughness to him.

Like to a level that You see when he gets Lions on the map help him put them on the map it fits Dan Campbell's program He's one of the flag carriers of that team and that team is full of dogs You want to know why he might be a dog then why am I why I might go with you because he knows all 16 wide receivers that were drafted ahead of him and he recites them before every game and that is dog energy right there That's fucking easy. That's a dog. That's like My dog Ralphie. He's smaller and he can recite every big dog that goes by him and he

Taxing every time that's like the 16 wide receivers that were drafted had them They were all bigger and better than him They were saying and he attacks him and recite some before every game. That's some dog energy. That's that's some crazy shit. And you got to have. Yeah, that's that's a dog. That's a stamp. You're right. He's a dog.

Let's move on to our first guest. Who's that? Who catches a hundred balls every fucking year. Travis Fucking Kelsey. This guy's a production machine. What does a I have to say about Travis Michael Kelsey? Start the clock now. Travis Kelsey is widely regarded as one of the greatest tight ends in NFL history.

Known for his exceptional receiving skills and athleticism. So far I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. Off the field, he is seen as a charismatic and dedicated individual. He is. Often praised for his leadership and community involvement. Kelsey has made a significant impact on the Kansas City Chiefs, helping them secure multiple

playoff appearances and a Super Bowl victory. And I'll, AI, not, not, you know, right here, Super Bowl victories. Gotta make it Polaro. He got three. Yeah, he's got three. AI, he's got three. He's in the category. Yeah, he's got three AI, I mean.

What'd they say, just Super Bowl victory? I knew we were smarter than AI. They're not there yet. Yeah, yeah, Super Bowl, and a Superbowl victory. It says, all right. He holds several notable records, including the most consecutive and overall seasons with a thousand receiving yards by a tight end. Recently, Kelsey has been in the spotlight for dating Taylor Swift co-hosting the

popular podcast new heights with his brother, Jason Kelsey killer, and becoming the chiefs all time leader in receptions, surpassing the legendary Tony Gonzalez. Oh wow. And there's still a myth about Tony Gonzalez that has not been solved. The urban legend. The urban legend.

We're not gonna talk about it. We're not talking about it. We're just gonna let that be. This is about Travis. This is about Travis. I mean, this is about Travis. Tony, we know that. We know. No matter what, you that no matter what you are, the world because of that myth, good things coming through with you. Yes. Good thing coming through with Tony guns off. Oh man. Killer Trav, man. Killer, killer, killer, killer Trav. He's so slippery. He is slippery. That's a good way to put it. Slippery, smooth, smooth, flexible,

functional. He's got like a very reliable. He's got a very I remember us talking about it. He just has that basketball body where like he doesn't get hurt. He he's always he's elegantly running when he runs. He's faster than what you think.. He's faster than what you think. And he's stronger than what you think.

And he's always in the right position. Always in the right position. He knows how to find an open hole better than any tight end I have ever seen. Finding an open hole? Yeah, in the defense, Julian. The defense, okay? If it's zone, he can find, you know,

the soft spot. Yeah, that's soft spot. The soft spot. And just sit in it. What about man? Man coverage? Oh, man. He has a, he's got great bow routes. You see him, he get the top of his route. He's so like, uh, like, like Savagie. Yeah. Sav, Savy, Savy, Savagie, Savi at the top of the route. Like he can go to boom, boom, boom, like a basketball player dribbling when they're when they're at the top one-on-one crossing over, like he's got that. And that's what truly gets them open as well. And that's what makes them a great player is because of his

knowledge in the zone game, the ability to find the open hole, to find the, where the grass is so he can sit there and Patrick Mahomes can just dump it right to him and then also the ability to just be so savvy at top of the route and have that crossover type of skills and then make the DB confused or the safety or the linebacker that's rare, a linebacker on them, to make them confused what way he's going and boom, he breaks out and he has that separation. He can get that separation because of it. And when he hears that separation, you have a quarterback like Patrick Mahomes. He's going to find you every single time

and put that ball on the money. Can you keep them separated? What's that from? That's a song. Can you keep them separated? Is that, oh, dang. Who sings that again? I know who that is.

I'm getting a tattoo now. I'm getting inked done. That's the same artist, right? I asked for a 13, but they drew a 30 with offspring. Yes. You gotta keep them separated. I think that's the same song too, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah, it is the offspring. Now, Travis Kelsey is like an offspring. He's different from every tight end. He's one of the best ever to play. That's been an offspring right there. Now, do you know the traditional guy? I got to ask you some. Yeah.

Ask me, Jules. Ask me and I'll answer. I'm not scared. You ever get sick of people comparing them to you? Uh, you know, there's really like not a comparison. I mean, you can compare us, but we're two totally different players to tell you the truth. And like, it all depends on what type of scheme

you're in as well. Yeah. You know, like what they ask him to do with the Kansas City Chiefs, I could not replicate what he's doing with the Chiefs. If you ask him to do what I was doing with the New England Patriots, I don't think he could replicate, he could do it. Like I could do what he's doing with the Chiefs. If you ask him to do what I was doing with the New England Patriots, I don't think he could replicate, he could do it, like I could do what he's doing, but I wouldn't have been able to

replicate what he's doing with the Chiefs at that level. Yeah. And they know how to use his skill set. We have two totally different skill sets by far, like by far, like he's savvy at top of the route. I was, I'm gonna run and I'm just gonna go to the corner and I'm gonna outrun the guy, I'm gonna use my body, I'm gonna be physical and Tom just throw the ball up and if route. I was, I'm going to run and I'm just going to go to the corner and I'm going to outrun the guy. I'm going to use my body. I'm going to be physical and Tom just throw the ball up. And if the guy's on me, I'm bigger than him. I'm going to use my body, box him out and just go up and catch the freaking ball. All right. Just throw me the ball. There was nothing more to it. This guy has like eight moves. He's like a wide receiver out there. So we're two totally different players. You can compare us because we both wear the number 87. So that's, that's in comparison right there.

But if he fit, you know, if you brought him to the New England pitch, I don't think he would be able to do what I was doing. He would be able to do it, but not to the capable level that I was be able to do it at. So we're different players, man. Totally different players. He has mastered his skillset as well, just like I mastered my skillset and what I brought to the table. But I mean, I'm not, you know, sick of it.

I mean, he's, he's a great player. I mean, he definitely belongs as the best tight end in the NFL or the bait debatable as being the best tight end in the NFL due to his stats and what he has done for the position, but, uh, you know, it's just an honor, I guess. It's an honor to be in the same category. Now, what if you guys were both on the same team? I think we would be perfect to be both on the same team. I mean, I feel like we kind of counter each other. There's no doubt about it. Just the way, you know, like I was saying, how we were different players, his aspect of the game, how he, you know, can line up anywhere, how he can motion to any point on the field at any given

time. I was kind of the guy like, Tom, do I really got a motion across the line of scrimmage? Like, like sometimes I was in the huddle, like I'm Tom. I know I got a motion here, but I'm just gonna line up over there, man. I'm like too big to be motioning. You know, Travis is lighter, you know, you can motion him around, you know, set him up. Yeah, I had that happen before. I remember. Yeah, you know, I, you know, set them up. Yeah. I had that happen before. I remember. Yeah.

You know, I, you know, I got a lot of mass. So we would compliment each other, unbelievable. And I would say that we would have been the best duel. I would say one of the best duels to play if we play with each other. Don't you think so? Without a doubt. Yeah. I mean, we kind of had that. Yeah, we did. I was actually I was actually going to say that, that we would, we

would have broke the records of me and the other guy about, I won't mention names. We broke basically every record in the book when, when it was him and I number 85. Yeah. Um, it was, I think he had like two numbers. I think he was 81 at first and then number 85. Yeah. So we broke every record in the book for being dual tight ends. Like we have like what 26 touchdowns a year and like, I don't know, 2,400 yards just between tight ends. Travis Kelsey and I together would have definitely matched those numbers

or produced even more than you at slot receiver. Then Randy Moss out wide. Just, there's so much clutchness going on in that. Who would be our quarterback there? Mahomes or Brady? Or would we have them both and one would play one half? I gotta go Brady. We gotta go Brady. I know. I agree. Because we don't know, I don't know how to play with, we don't know how to play that scramble drill second play within a play. That was not like our forte. So those guys learn that. That scramble drill, like Travis is always open

when there's that second play within the play that Patrick Mahomes creates. And they've got on such a wavelength where he's always in the open position and he knows where to go. He reads and scans the field better than anyone. And he always finds open and Mahomes always delivers it to him.

So it's, it'd be different. It'd be very different. Yeah. That second phase of a play. He's got that down to a science on how to get open. I mean, that's due to Patrick Mahomes being able to scramble like that. But Travis is also one of the most clutch players in the history. There's no doubt about it when it comes to playoff performances or, or tough got all the numbers game. He has of the NFL. There's no doubt about it. When it comes to playoff performances

or tough regular season game, he has all the numbers. He has all the catches when it's that time to make a play. And he's swaggy as fuck. He is swaggy. He's smooth. But I swear it's due to the fact that he has that like basketball mentality, the basketball body. Like, yeah, like he's not Jack.

He has another dad bod like Patrick Mahomes in a way, but a little bit skinnier, a little bit more proportioned dad bod, I would say. But those guys, man, I'm telling you, they don't get hurt. They don't pull muscles. And it's because they're not tight and he's not tight at all. And I swear that's what makes him a player that he is. He's yeah. Fluid is the word that I'm looking for. He's just fluid and pliable.

Dude, he's, he, he, and people are worried about him right now. Why? I'm not worried because his production's a little down. Yeah, he had a good game, but I'm not worried until like, Travis is gonna show up when the team needs him in December, January. That's like, that's when, that's when you need him.

Okay, he got, he's 34 years old now. He's chilling until that point and he'll turn it on. And these jokers will probably go out and win again because he's part of that formula. Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reed, Travis, Kelsey, Spags and Chris Jones. And on top of it, he kind of is a complete tight end. He doesn't get the job done in the trenches. You're not going to put them one on one with a fricking 280

pound defensive van. Like, you know, coach Balachuk loved to do for with me in practice and just, you know, get my brains, you know, just mushed every day versus Rob Ninkovic and all the other guys. He just loved putting me verse every single practice and just loved watching me just bang my head every day and then go out and do it in games. But it was fun. I loved it. That's why I did it and never complained. But, uh, but he gets the job done. You want to know how I describe blocking James Harrison? That's kind of what he does. He's

kind of got it down to his side. He gets in the way, he gets in the way and he knows where the play has to hit and he's bored. That's has to hit any knowing board That's all you need to do That's all you need to do if you got that down to a science which he does and I've seen him do it It's brings the running back still the guy does not make the play. So he's got it down and Tell you the truth. He's a superstar. You're super superstar. He's Dane Taylor fucking Swift and they might They should have a kid they should that would be a great kid. It would be a, what would, what kid be performing? Like, you know, having eight catches a game and then like halftime, he's doing the halftime show in like 15, no, in like 24 years.

Probably sooner. Taylor was on the scene when she was like 13. All right. So it would be like the new Ryan Williams. You know how he's 17 years old at Alabama? So their kid would be like 14 in college. Ryan Williams. And then he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like,

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They just surpassed like middle school because he's so smart. And then he would go like do a duet with like, he would go do something with Quavo right after. So and then he'll be in the league at 18 and then singing and performing at halftime. Top 10 hits and a TikTok song. Dang, they need to have a kid if that's the case. They got to have a guy.

And we will be crazy not to talk about last year's AFC Championship game when all year, all year we kept on hearing people, not me, not me. Chiefs are done. They look old. They look slow. Where's Travis Kelsey? What are they doing? Red Hot Baltimore.

What are they doing in Red Hot Baltimore? He goes 11 catches on 11 targets in the AFC Championship when everyone knows they're throwing him the ball. That's a fucking, that's a killer. That's why they call him kill trap clutch. One of the most clutch players of all time. I said that already.

How about when I first met him, my very first time of truly meeting him, like truly, truly medium. He came to Gronk Beach, man. It was really cool. He was in Vegas, was in Vegas. The draft was in Vegas and he came up to Gronk Beach. You were there. I was hammered, man. I was I was hammered. Actually, it was one of the few times in the last few years where I was pretty hammed up.

And I was, I'm awesome when I'm handed up. Actually you jumped on my back. I didn't even feel it. Didn't even care. It was on my back. I just started running around on stage jewels and you jumped on my back. And all of a sudden killer trap shows up and we're having a dance off on the stage and he can dance like kind of like they're my own dance was, but he can for real dance. Cause like we said, he's fluid. He's dance. And Rob could dance, but. I can dance like, kind of like they're my own dancers, but he can for real dance. Cause like we said, he's fluid. He's fluid.

I got too muscular, man. I just never worked out like the way I worked out like in high school and college. Like I should have been doing like more pliability stuff. Yeah, right. Yeah, cause that was kind of my motto. Like that was kind of my persona being jacked up. Rob, you look like you were a senior in high school

playing against fourth graders when you were playing. But imagine if I was still playing. Imagine if I was looser and I could dance better and still be playing football. You dance your own style, you're good. I'm the best at dancing my style. Ain't no one can match me. Ain't nobody matching.

All right, time. Let's drop in. What kind of dude is Travis Kelsey? I mean, like you kind of just said it already. You hit it right off the bat without even thinking about it, without even going over the categories. I mean, we got freak. I don't really think he's a freak. He's not a freak.

Maybe somewhere else. He's a freak. He's a freak in the sheets. Yeah, a freak in the sheets. Because, you know, but. Kill a trap. But, hey, hey, hey, that's all. He's a freak in the sheets maybe. Yeah, a freak in the sheets, cause you know. Killing track. But hey, hey, hey, that's all, that's all I'm gonna say. That's how far I'm only gonna go.

But on the football field, like his physical attributes, no, not really a freak like we said, Dad Bob, but fluid. So like a freak is like DK Metcalf. Like that dude's freaky. Yeah, he eats Cheetos for breakfast and he's got a 19 pack. Yeah, exactly. This guy. A dog. He's definitely a dog. He's definitely motivated. Trav is a dog. I think he's a dog. He is. He's a dude's dude too, I bet. I bet you he's so cool

and in the locker room guy. He's a stud. Drink some beers with you. He's a whiz. He's. He is. That's because he knows how to get open. I wouldn't say he's like a true whiz, but He's a whiz. He's, he has that's cause he knows how to get open. I wouldn't say he's like a true whiz, but he's a whiz and at his position, kind of just like myself, tight ends don't know that we know the whole playbook, but we're not like the smartest, you know, we, we know what we just need to know. Rob, you didn't mess up much. Yeah. But like I said, we know what we need to know. Hey, so is he a stud? Like I said, we know what we need to know. Hey, so is he a stud? Is he a stud? He is a stud.

He is a stud. He's definitely a stud. But is he a dog? I think it's between stud and dog. I think because he went to Cincinnati and what he was a fifth round draft pick or fourth round third round draft pick, he had the troubles in college with the marijuana bullshit. That's why he dropped to the third. I think that's like kind of being more of a bullshit. That's why he dropped to the third. I think that's like-

Kind of being more of a dog. That's a dog. Because if you're getting in trouble for that stuff and you're still going out and performing, studs don't get in trouble for that. Yeah, studs don't get in trouble. Studs can get out of it. Studs-

You gotta be a stud on the field and off the field in order to be labeled a stud. Yeah. And like getting in trouble for that. That's, it's kind of a weak thing in trouble, but it's also a dog. It's a dog. You get in trouble, a dog goes in

his cage and it comes back out. That's a dog. That's a dog. He's a dog. Stamped a dog. Well, that's been another episode of dudes on dudes, subscribe on Apple podcasts, Spotify, Amazon music,

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