Games with Names - Dudes on Freaks: Mega Episode

Episode Date: April 10, 2025

It's all about Freaks this week! We've compiled every Freak featured on the show thus far into one special Mega Episode. From dudes that can play both ways to dudes that are reinventing the hurdle game, we're talking about some all-time Freaks. We wrap up by naming our Freak of the Year in The Chillest Dude of the Week presented by Coors Light. Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

What's up everyone, it's Greg Rosenthal and I'm teaming up with the king of spring, Daniel Jeremiah. He requires me to say that. We're going to be bringing you 40s and free agents, the only podcast you'll need this NFL draft season from DJ's mock drafts to my top one on one free agents will have it covered for you with all new episodes every Thursday, keeping you up to date as we head to the NFL draft. Listen to 40s and free agents on the I heart radio app, Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. Travis Hunter got the Heisman.

I mean, put Colorado on the map along with Dion. You name it. He's done it. Heisman Trophy winner played both ways, almost a hundred receptions in college his junior year for over a thousand yards. Where do you think he's going? I think he's going to the New England Patriots. I think they need help on both sides of the ball. So why not draft a two way player?

You know, they don't need a quarterback. No, they need a receiver. And if it doesn't work out at receiver, he can play defensive back. If it doesn't work out on defense, he can play receiver. It's a win win situation. And it's a good situation to be. This is incredible Man, it'll be that'd be that that buck great. Oh, he play both ways

Welcome to dudes on dudes. I'm Julian Edelman and I'm Rob Granckowski And this is a show where your favorite dudes get to talk about their favorite dudes Today we got a freaks mega-cut freaks in one episode. All the freaks in one episode. What are we going to talk about today? Our favorite Randy Moss stories. When some reporter came up to him and said, Randy, what do you think about game five? And he says, straight cash homie.

What makes Josh Allen so elite? It's just truly showing how much knowledge he has of the game. And he takes it to a new level every year and he took it to even another level this year. Travis Hunter playing both ways in the NFL? Well I don't think anyone's played like this. He's averaging 114 plays per game. That's f***ing gnarly. And for the chillest dude of the week presented by Core's Light, we name our Freak of the Year. Let's go! Dudes on Dudes is a production of iHeartRadio. Great being back in the

Nuthouse isn't it? Yeah Julian that's why I brought a Nuthouse present here. I was actually in San Diego. I was at you know some Indian gaming convention which was a great time. Love the Indians. love what they do, you know, to bring entertainment to us. And I was walking by a booth and they're like, can I take a picture? And like, they had these vacuums in the booth and I was like, give me a vacuum and I'll take a picture with you.

And they're like, deal. So they gave me that vacuum that I wanted. And then I was like, how am I gonna bring this vacuum home? And then I was like, oh, great idea. That's gonna be my present to the house. I haven't been to the house in a while. So Jules, I donated a vacuum to the house today when I arrived. Driving vacuum.

Yes. It just operates on its own. So I feel good about myself that I contributed to the house. Well, I put together a little list of things that ever since Rob started coming to the Nut House, we have a lot of. One, beverages. Whether it's protein shakes, free,

some kind of sport drink, something. There's always a massive amount of boxes of sport drinks coming to the Nut House because of Rob. Well, isn't that a positive? That's a positive a positive. All right I felt like you're talking about it. Like it was a negative. I mean we need protein We need to stay hydrated like he's brought a speaker He brought a couple backpacks

The robot cleaner we got that tequila a few times. I'm not talking like one bottle of tequila I'm talking it's like massive huge bottles tequilas talking, it's like massive, huge bottles of tequilas that he gets at like these events that are for like big parties. He just comes here and he's like, here guys, take this. So we have like 20 of those, bunch of clothes and merchandise

from a bunch of different brands that send to the Nut House for Rob. Body wash and shampoo, always has deodorant sent to the house. That was from the LA Bull. The Gronk LA Bull. Gronk LA Bull and dog shit. Yeah, it was the art of sports that's brought to the LA Bull.

So I want to officially give Rob the new name, Roberto Claus. Thank you. But you- I'm always bearing gifts when he comes. You couldn't give me that name because that name has already been established and you know the guy that already established that name,

Nate Ruckdashel, my childhood friend who lived with me in Foxboro, Massachusetts. I don't know Nate Ruckdashel, I know Nate Dog. Yeah, Nate Dog, he actually gave me that name before because of how many presents I always brought home from the facility. Dinners, plates, silverware, blenders. And he's like, you Roberto Claus now.

And I was like, yeah, that's right. He said that? Yeah, he said that before. So. Nate Dogg, shout out. Yeah, I'll take it though. I appreciate that. And by the way, if you go to Rob's house back in Foxboro, so all you'll see is the to- go boxes from the Patriots facility.

You'll see like lunch meat in these to go boxes. You'll see fruit in these to go boxes. Rob would leave the facility with like four bags like he just left Costco with just hot food to bring to his fucking house. And it wasn't just for me. It was for everyone that was staying at the house too. And like, I made it like, feel like, like it was a jester, like that costed me money too.

I'm like, yo, I brought home meals for you. Like they're gonna take it out on my paycheck. Like, so you better appreciate me even more. There'd be like one or two nights a week where there'd be a specialty thing in there where they'd throw in some cheddar You have filets and shit. This is just so great to be back in the night house together. It is I love it I'm so glad it didn't burn down jewels because we would be in a in a bad situation But I would have you know supported you and I would have showed up with a bag of goodies still

Yeah, he probably would have showed up with the house Yeah, Rob would have just had some. Yeah. He probably would have showed up with the house. Yeah. Rob would have just had some company, some company would have sent Rob a fucking portable house for us to shoot in. Yes, I would have. And just all it would have had a note is saying please tag us.

Well, that's Roberto Claus for you. Roberto Claus. Please tag us, I get it. Oh, you're crazy. Thanks for bearing with us guys through the remote with these remote episodes. We want to be in the studio and we'll get there. But the remote is working and it's still fun to it is man. And you know, I get to hang out on the East Coast because I'm an East

Coast guy, you know, so it's hard to be out on the West Coast all year long. But, uh, you know, it's good for us because we, we still get to hang out. Yeah. And it uh you know it's good for us because we we still get to hang out yeah and it's like it's hanging out in 2025 relationship too we'll never get sick of each other and it's it's sometimes it's good to be long distance and then when we see each other again it's like an explosion yeah yeah that's not house explodes a little ration time oh man let's get in the chillest do of the week brought to you by our favorite beer, Coors Light.

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Cold as the Rockies. Thank you, Coors Light for refreshing me. And we're naming our Freak of the Year. Jules, who is it? Travis Hunter. Oh, makes sense. Makes sense. Why wasn't it?

This guy's won the best award for offense player, defensive player, best receiver, best corner. He's got the Heisman. I mean, he put Colorado on the map with, along with Dion. You name it. He's got the Heisman. I mean, he put Colorado on the map along with Deon. You name it, he's done it. Heisman trophy winner, played both ways. Almost 100 receptions in college his junior year for over a thousand yards, 15 touchdowns.

I only had a total of 15 touchdowns in my career in college. I think it was six my freshman year, and then 10 my sophomore year. Oh, no, I had more than 15. I had 16, baby, that's right. But he had 15 in one year. Three interceptions playing defense, and played a total of over 1,400 snaps.

This guy's incredible. He is the chillest dude of the week, and he's the freak of the year. Freak of the week? Where do you think he's going? the freak of the year. Freak of the week. Where do you think he's going? Freak of the year. I think he's going to the new England Patriots. I think they need help on both sides of the ball.

So why not draft a two way player? You know, they don't need a quarterback. No, they need a receiver. And if it doesn't work out at receiver, he can play defensive back. If it doesn't work out on defense, he can play receiver. It's a win-win situation. That's a good situation to be in. Wow, this is incredible.

Man, it'll be, that'd be, that'd create. Will he play both ways? I think so, I'll answer that. I think so, but just a package on Package. On whatever one that he's not playing full-time. Yeah, I mean, I think, I don't think he's gonna play full-time both ways.

No. I just don't think a team is gonna invest a Lot of money into him to do that when you could get more out of them with You know playing on one side and then giving that package on the other we've already gone over that a million times ready You ready Browns Patriots or Giants? Go name one of those teams that he goes to you only get to pick one Cuz he I don't think he's going to the Giants or the Browns. I don't think the Patriots are gonna get him either Well, then where is he going? This is like where is he going?

Like who's next Kansas City Chiefs? No, he's dropping top 10 to the 31st pick. I Hope he doesn't go the Jags, but no, I don't I don't hope I don't hope he goes to the Jags here I mean, I bet you don't know that no, they can't go to the judge. I can see him go to the Jags, but I don't, I don't hope he, I don't hope he goes to the Jags either. I mean, I don't know. They can't go to the Jags. No, I won't be. Oh, it won't be fun though. If he goes to Jacksonville, like that's kind of like, you know, a career, someone trade up for him. Like it needs to be fun. Like no, it needs to be a fun market for Travis Hunter. Since he's such a player, non quarterback, like he needs to go to like a fun market for Travis Hunter. I don't think people are going to trade up for a non-quarterback. Like he needs to go to like a New York market, a Patriots market,

like something like that. Even Cleveland's better than Jacksonville. Is he the most talented player in the draft? Of course, because he plays both ways. So that's talent. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's going to be exciting.

It will be. Well, but he has to go to a market where it's exciting as well. Like I said, the Jaguars isn't really an exciting market. Even when the Jaguars are good, it's still not that exciting. It's just not a market that's exciting. I guess Jaguars haven't been exciting since Mark Brunel retired. You want to know what was excited though? You want to know what was exciting though is when I went to the players championship

in Jacksonville a couple of weeks that was exciting man I I took a hack with my with my six iron on the 17th hole which they call it the Green Island great shot 5,000 fans around me they were cheering and then the ball landed right in front of the island but still a great shot you know I was proud of myself so that's the coolest thing about Jacksonville is the players championship at the TPC course, right? TPC. Yeah. TPC. And Travis Hunter probably could put it on that Island. And that's the chillest dude of the week. Thanks to our favorite beer Coors Light. Get

Coors Light delivered straight to your door. Visit CoorsLight.com slash dudes. Celebr celebrate responsibly folks. Yes, shout out Travis Hunter for being the chillest dude of the week and also the freak of the year. Brought to you by CoorsLite. Let's get into these freaks. Freaks. And we're gonna start with a former player,

a guy that everyone knows, a hall of famer out there. Guy that we played with. A guy that we play with, on guy that we played with on New England. On New England. About two years for you. Two years for me. A quarter season for myself, my rookie year. One and a quarter for me.

But everyone knows who he is, Randy frickin' Moss. Please pull the picture out. Randy Moss was an absolute dominant force on the football field I didn't want to put him in the category right away yeah you can't want to describe the category yet either are we but the guy had personality everyone loves him to this day he's a great TV he's on TV TV analyst now awesome on TV he's mossing people still to this day. You got mos.

With his segment. You got mos'd. You know who this is, Rob? You know where this shot's from? No, what's the shot from? This shot is from when he was leaving the player's parking lot, I believe. I think on a Tuesday after he got fined

for mooning Green Bay. Remember he got fined for mooning Green Bay? And this is like right immediately after when some reporter came up to him and said, "'Randy, what do you think he got fined for moving in Green Bay? And this is like right immediately after when some reporter came up to him and said, "'Randy, what do you think about getting fined?' And he says, "'Straight cash, homie.'" That's what Randy is. And that quote is still used to this day.

Straight cash, homie. Straight cash, homie. Whenever I pay anyone in cash, I always say straight cash, homie. Always. Every single time. That's gonna live on forever. How many years ago was that? That was a long time ago.

20? No, it wasn't 20. I was in high school, man, when that happened. He was on the Minnesota Vikings, right? Yeah, he was on the Vikings at that time. So that was like what, 05? Maybe 04? I think we need to start this.

20 years ago. Do we start the clock now? Rob's got a little research that he's done. Now Rob, how did you get this research? I just typed in the player's name on co-pilot and what type of, you know, football player they are or person they are and it just popped up and you know, you got to work smarter, not harder.

You got to work. That's what it's all about. It is. So let's let's what is what did a co-pilot say? This will also help out my reading skills. See dudes on dudes. I mean, we're not the smartest dudes, Julian.

But we're also not the biggest idiots. We have common sense and we're here doing this show as well to help us out in life as well. I would say we're idiots. I would say we're idiots, we're not dumb. Yes, yes, we are idiots in a good way though. In the best way possible. We're not like IQ gonna like knock you off the charts.

But you know, like we're also not gonna spend, you know, like all your money. If you have like $2, you're not gonna spend 50. That's like common sense. Yeah, exactly. There you go. You hit it right on the nose. And our reading skills, I wouldn't say are, you know.

No, my reading skills are terrible. Everyone knows. So this is gonna help my reading skills. It's gonna help my creativity doing this show as well. And that's why I wanted to do it. I feel like it's going to help us out on Fox, just being able to talk. So we're building muscles.

And we're also going to invest in Nvidia, because we're going to use their AI. Let's go. So here we go. Or no. We got Randy Moss, right? Yeah, Randy Moss. All right.

What is Randy Moss? Randy Moss was a dynamic and explosive wide receiver known for his exceptional speed, leaping ability, and play making skills. His deep threat capability made him a constant challenge for defenders as he could stretch the field and make spectacular catches. Moss was renowned, renowned, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, renowned for his ability to make acrobatic catches and score touchdowns, earning him a reputation as one of the most talented and dangerous receivers in the NFL. Over his career, he was selected to multiple Pro Bowls and was a key figure in the 2007 New England Patriots record-setting offense. He was, he was. Start the clock. Start the clock. We got 10 minutes, which each player that we will be talking about.

First off, that's pretty damn good by co-pilot. Yeah, co-pilot, hit it right on the money. And Rob, I think he knocked it out the park. I was the co-pilot reading that. No, I think you were the actual pilot. Yeah, I was, I was. You were the actual pilot reading it. I had no co-pilot. You. No, I think you were the actual pilot. Yeah, I was, I was. You were the actual pilot. I had no co-pilot.

You were there, but you weren't there. I was co-piloted by just sitting there. You were the passenger. I was a passenger. Yes, you were. I was a passenger, but who was the ride? It was freaking good. It was Freaky, which was also Randy's nickname.

It was Randy's nickname. It was the freak. Randy went to, where'd he go? He went to Marshall. There's so many crazy stories about he committed to Florida State, then he went to Notre Dame. Did you ever hear those? I never heard any of those stories,

but he ended up at Marshall University. Where is Marshall anyways? West Virginia. It's in West Virginia. Yeah. And you know he's from Rand, West Virginia? Like Randy Moss is from Rand, West Virginia. Yeah. And you know he's from Rand, West Virginia? Like Randy Moss is from Rand, West Virginia. He used to say that all the time in practice.

Hey, Rand, you, Rand, you, remember he would always say that? Like, is it him and like, who else was from there? White Chocolate was from there. Ah, who's White Chocolate? I eat White Chocolate. Who's White Chocolate? Jason Williams. Jason Williams.

Oh, yeah, they were teammates, right? They were teammates. They were teammates in high school. Dude, he always loves to fish too. That was the one thing you always knew about Moss. In the off season, you were never. He was like a farm boy. Yeah.

Yeah. He loved outdoors. You love fishing? You know, I was traumatized at a young age. My brother made me hold like two catfish when I was like six years old and he told me they could sting you and they had big old tentacles and it fucking traumatized me.

So not a big fisher. I was like the kid wakeboarding. My brother was like the fisher. You fish? Nah, I always got seasick every time we took that boat out. Yeah. And then like a mile off of shore, I was always throwing up and like really dizzy.

So I never became a big fisherman. I mean, I had a pond behind my house growing up. So I get like the sunny fish. Like that was cool, but never really a big fisherman. I eat fish, though. I like salmon, black and salmon. Black and salmon. Yeah, with some good spices on it.

I like a halibut. Nice light fish. Yeah. All right. Back to Randy. Back to Randy. It was what Hall of Fame. What year was that? He went to the Hall of Fame, Football Hall of Fame, that is. What was it?

Like 2018. 2018 it was? We won in the Super Bowl. He was the 21st overall pick and he had a lot of the, there was a lot of like turbulence in his early career, in college and stuff, which I always thought made Randy misunderstood. Early career, you know in college and stuff, which I always thought made Randy, you know misunderstood You know, he kind of what would you say when he was in the locker room?

Like he was always a very caring dude, but he always had his guard up. He always had his guard up But like on the low he would always give you love like for me when I was I was a rookie receiver I used to have to go out and Buy all the receivers lunch whenever we would have away trips. Remember before the travel, the rookie goes and grabs something from Bar Louie or you go somewhere, Jimmy John's or something and you get the order and Randy would always make me do it.

But I was a seventh rounder. So I wasn't paid by any means and guys would be giving you crazy orders. Randy would always throw me like three, 400 bucks. He'd pay for it and make me go get it. So like he was always, he was just always quite like he would kind of get on me in front of people. But then when there was no one around, he'd always love me up and like, you know, like he, I think he was just putting that on there to make me,

you know, make me accountable. Yeah. For the, for the, you know, quarter career the quarter career, quarter year I played with Randy, I thought he was a great teammate, man. And like you said, I feel like he was misunderstood in the public eye a little bit. He didn't really care about, you know, the glam and all of that. Like he just rubbed it off his shoulders

like it was nothing, like it was water, man. But he cared about being a good guy and he never thought he was too big for anyone else. I mean, Randy was the best wide receiver in the game at the time, maybe of all time. And he cared about being relatable to the young bucks. And he made me feel very warm and welcome to the New England Patriots when I was there.

What'd he do to make you feel warm and welcome? So Moss always loved kicking it back, having a conversation with myself when I was a rookie. I was struggling. I was in the playbook like crazy, struggling a little bit, but he just loved how I played the game. And he always imitated me because I was big,

I was goofy, you know, and he liked that kind of stuff. He loved it. And every time I had a catch or, you know, had a touchdown, I'd be like myself, you know, I'd be giggling like or you know had a touchdown I'd be like myself you know I'd be giggling like this he'd be like dude bro you always giggling you always having a good time Gronk like it's cool as shit man cool as shit how you are man and I'd be like it made me feel warm and welcome to be myself on the Patriots and I'd be like I always did that on the field after catch I'd get up like I don't know that was just me I was getting hyped and Moss is like man I like how you do this man I like like that cool shit how you do that like I'm going to do that

after I score a touchdown I was like for real he's like yeah yeah I'm going to do that so what happened game I think game number two Buffalo versus Buffalo he scored like you know 40 yarder post right down the middle like you know you know, like Randy Moss does. Cause fastest wide receiver I probably ever seen play the game. Freakish, you know, stride. It looked like he was going slow. It looked like, but he was just always passing people. And he was just gliding.

It was like a jet ski on water, like on like flat surface, just gliding across the water. Yes. And it didn't look like he was going 70. But he was going 70, maybe 80. On water, which is fast. Yes. So we get to the game. He scores that touchdown, and he starts doing this.

He's being gronk in the end zone. And I'm 21 years old. And this is Randy Moss. Fricking Moss imitating me after one of his touchdowns. I thought it was the coolest thing. I actually never even shared that story with anyone. I'm not even, I'm talking like, I never shared that story with a friend, a family member.

It's just kind of known within the team, you know, within the team and the organization. So that's one of the coolest stories of all time, you know, about Randy Moss that I have personally. And he just made me feel welcome to the team. And he just made me feel like myself because he just loved how I was and how I played the game. And it was just a special moment, that's for sure.

He fucked with dudes that worked hard. He did. I remember on Tuesdays, he would come in and do these workouts where he would do like side step ups, these like step ups, quick feet. And so I would jump in with him every once in a while. And he'd do all these medicine ball things where like he'd have like one leg on a medicine ball

and do like a pushup and you know, just working your core. And so I would always, I would always see him do shit and then I would go do it. You know, I want to do everything, anything Randy did. But like, if he saw you working, he never really busted your balls. That's kind of got, you know, but if you weren't, if you were, you know, if you were talking

and you were a guy that wasn't heard or something, like any other patriot, any of the patriot, like guys, you know, you're gonna hear shit. You wanna know, you wanna also know why I would say Randy was misunderstood a little bit, cause he was real. Yeah. And when people are real, people don't like that, man.

Cause like, if you didn't wanna- Real it can sound like ass. Holy. Yeah, exactly It sounds ass. Holy like if he didn't want your frickin food He's not gonna eat your food like he just didn't want it You know if he didn't like you he didn't like you like it's just real shit, and then that's what makes people misunderstood I still can't fathom that Thanksgiving game that he had. What was the screenshot of, of his? Well, he had three catches, like 146 yards, was it? 163 yards on three catches. 163 yards.

Oh, and three touchdowns. All his catches were over 50 yards. It was when he was with the Minnesota Vikings. Thanksgiving Day, he ate the turkey after the game as well. Yeah. It was just Moss being Moss. Well, Randy was so special that we actually had a play named after him.

Moss. Yeah, Moss. Haas. Haas Moss. It was the Moss signal. That was the signal because it was all goes. There was a go on the left, there was a seam on the left, there was a seam on the right.

And every time Brady did that, I got excited because I was always the slack guy going down the field. So Moss, every time I saw that play, I thought of Moss and just felt like I had to turn the burners on as well. Rob, you had how many, what was your biggest touchdown season? I had 17 touchdowns in 2012, but 18,

because one of them counted as a rush. 18 touchdowns, he had 23 touchdowns. How fucking nuts is that? Freaking nuts, I don't think anyone's ever gonna touch that. I don't know, with the 18. I don't think anyone's gonna touch it still, no way. You still? Because guys aren't playing as many games.

Like they don't play the whole season. Yeah. I mean that was a freaky year. That's not the reason why, I think just because Moss was just so dominant, 23 touchdowns, because when you have 23 touchdowns Moss was only one who can get away from double coverage and then run away from it because he was so fast and freaky ain't no one ever going to touch that 23 touchdown record I mean

I was pretty close that one year when I had 17 and then actually he was at practice one of my best training camps of all time when we were were in West Virginia, Moss came whatever at that dump place. Greenboro. Yeah, Greenboro. It's great for football. Coaches loved it. Cause all you did was focus on football. But he couldn't go to the casino though.

It was fucking bullshit. Good thing we would have lost all our money or won a lot more money and then had it could have retired in training camp. But Moss was there when we were facing the saints in practice and I was dominant, man. This was a year I was on fire, unstoppable. It was actually the year we won the Super Bowl versus Atlanta when I was unstoppable.

It was just unfortunate that I got lit up up the middle that year, but I had like four touchdowns in a row versus Saints and seven on seven and Moss was right there. I was like, Moss, I'm coming for you, man. That touchdown record is mine. Go Gronk. You got it, boy. You're the only one Gronk. You're the only one that can beat my touchdown record. Gronk, you got this, boy. I want to see you do it. I go, Moss, I am going to do it, buddy. I'm on coming for it. 23, no problem. I mean, it was kind of a realization at that time.

I was dreaming big, but it was just so cool to have Moss right there. Hell yeah. Talking shit to Randy Moss. I'm going to beat his touchdown record in middle of practice. Like was one of the coolest moments I've ever had in practice. Moss, you the man and the freakiest catch I've ever seen Moss make that I will still remember for, I will remember for the rest of my life is the Revis catch. It's the Reavis catch. It was the what, second game? It was the second game of the season. That was my first start. It was.

So when he did the imitation of me, it was actually the first game of the season. I think we played, no, no. This was, was that, that was, I don't think you were there yet. No, I was there. So we played the, we played Cincinnati, my very first game.

Yeah. Then we went to the Jets. We lost. Most freakiest catch I've ever seen. We very first game. Yeah. Then we went to the Jets. We lost. Most freakiest catch I've ever seen. We lost the game. Yeah, we lost the game. Brady just tossed it up there. He let the play develop.

No one was open, so he tossed it up. One-on-one coverage. Moss versus Doral Rivas, the best cornerback in the game. Moss put his hand up in the air and just snagged it one-her right in the end zone about three yards in. It was freaky because he extended all the way. It wasn't like it was like close to his body. He made that extension. You know how hard that is? Effortless. It looked like he barely did it though. When he was going, he was just like, oh. And then, oh, and then we played the

Buffalo Bills the third game and that's when he did the imitation that Imitate are the fan imitating me. Oh, no myself the third game Yeah, the grand giggles and then we played the Miami Dolphins the fourth game of the season And then after that game he wasn't there. He wasn't there anymore. It was sad. It was you want to know something jewels? Oh, I remember it man. I remember it. We were You want to know something, Jules? Oh, I remember it, man. I remember it. We were, we were partying, man, when he got traded. Were we?

It was Monday night. And you know what? We were young bucks, man. We went to Foxwoods, the casino. Did we? And we woke up. Because it was a, was it a Monday night game? It was a Monday, no, no.

It was a Monday. Was it a Monday night game? It was a Monday night game. So did we have a bye week yet? We had a, I think we had a bye week or something because we went to Foxwoods Tuesday night because it was industry night at Foxwoods. And you know us, we're in the industry

of partying at that time. We were maniacs. We were maniacs. We're just dudes on dudes, man. We're just having a conversation, you know? We're just telling our stories, just living up, you know? What we did in the past. And I remember we were together, man.

And you were, you were pretty hungover, I remember. And then I was hungover too. And we turned on the TV. We didn't know anything, what was going on. And we turned on the TV ESPN and Randy Moss, there it was, breaking news, traded to the Minnesota Vikings. And literally we were like heartbroken.

We were hung over and heartbroken. It was probably the worst situation you could be in. Yeah. Yeah, but we always climb out of those holes. That was, but I remember. Talk about the Sunday scaries. Yeah, that was the Tuesday morning scaries right there. You wake up, you don't, Oh fuck.

We got practice. That was, is gone. That was one of the examples of, of my early times in my career that I was starting to learn that the NFL was a business. Oh yeah. Cause as a rookie, you don't know that it's a business. You know, you're going to make the team.

You think you're playing forever. Can't trade Randy. No one's trading Randy. You can't know that it's a business, you know? You're gonna make the team. You think you're playing forever. You can't trade Randy Moss. No one's trading Randy Moss. You can't trade Randy Moss. She's the greatest of all time. And it was really cool though because he did that press conference, I think the week before, like he wants a new deal.

He had his headphones around his neck. He kind of went off, like the patrons ain't giving me my new contract. And I thought that was really cool because that's the Randy Moss I knew. Like going off, just being a real dude. Yeah, he was. And I love that shit.

I love when players act up, man. And I thought it was the coolest thing. So it was sad to see him go, but it was also sad because that was part of the reason I feel like he went. Bill takes no shit. He doesn't, but that's when you're reckoned, you realize that this is definitely a business.

All right, so some final thoughts, Randy Moss. What kind of dude is Randy Moss then? Yeah, what kind of dude is he? I would say. So we have a stud, I'd like athleticism, football IQ, the pedigree. We have the freak, unparalleled physical ability, one of one, pretty much a mutant, that sounds pretty close.

We have a dog who's relentless, motivated, physical and mental toughness. We got the whiz dude who's intellect, innovative, very clutch. And we got a dude's dude. Positive attitude, locker room guy, calm, cool, collect, glue guy, he's like a glue guy a dude's dude. Positive attitude, locker room guy, calm, cool, collect, glue guy. He's like a glue guy, dude's dude.

And let me tell you, every dude that we're gonna be talking about. Hit all of them. They hit them all. Their attributes are all five of them. But we're trying to find the one that exemplifies them the most. And with Randy Moss.

It's easy. I feel like this is a no brainer. No brainer. No brainer. No brainer. It's already in his nickname. The freak. The freak. I mean, he was, I remember he's just so fast.

He was so, he could jump. He could catch the ball. The intricacies of the game were like, that were, you would try to coach the guys like late hands and stacking the receiver. Like those are the things that like we would try to coach the guys like late hands and stacking the receiver. Like those are the things that like we would try to coach. He just did it naturally. That's like how he like, he just knew how to judge a ball

and high point balls. Like he, we literally have segments named after him going up and just mossing dudes. And the way he like the ability he had to just leap when he was running full speed That's crazy is what made him so great because he can have a defender on him because defenders were just as fast as them Yeah, some of them were some of the DB's So don't let Randy here. Hey man, you know 200 slate

I have like I remember he used to challenge slate all the time 200 But every once in a while there there was a guy that, you know, was kind of covering him. But what did he do? He just leaped right over him like a frog and made the catch. And that's what made him so freaky. It's so crazy to think, like, when you're running full speed and you got to track a ball, your eyes are bouncing.

Like, that's like some of the first things you see, like, from your off-season training, and you jump in to into like, you know, start competing against guys. The first thing that you always have to dial in is the bouncy eyes. My eyes would bounce and I'm going, like a guy to go full speed and be able to concentrate

and then like effortlessly like a ballerina, jump off one leg, go back, Moss a dude over two, like that's, that's a freak, he's a freak. I remember Jules, like you used to always brag to me, Moss would do it. So I'm doing it. So like right after the games,

like when you landed from a away game, he would go right to the weight room to get his workout in. And you'd be like, Moss is doing it. I'm gonna do it. You know, like you copied everything he did. I, hey man. But I don't blame you, man. He's the greatest of all time.

I would copy him, Tom, anyone who was around. I'm copying Wes, I'm copying, it's a copycat Lee. All right. You loved your dudes. I loved dudes. You loved hanging on your dudes. Well you become. That was one dude you wanted the dude on.

You become a creature of the dudes you hang around. That's the truth. You know, you become a dude of the dudes. That's why I'm podcasting now, cause I've been hanging out with you Jules and you have your podcast. So I wanted to podcast. See now it's just dudes rubbing off on dudes. So we did Randy Moss. All right. Freak of nature. Freak. No doubt about it. He's a freak dude. No question. Let's get on Vince Vince Will Fork. Big dog Vince Will Fork. Big V. Oh my God.

I wonder why something. Thanksgiving. Something to block. Thanksgiving is his favorite holiday I bet. Start the clock, what's AI gotta say. Vince Will Fork standing at six foot two and weighing around 325 pounds. Played as a dominant nose tackle in the NFL.

325? Primarily, I think he was like 350 at one point. 360. Primarily played for the New England Patriots and later for the Houston Texans. Growing up in Boytown Beach, Florida. I think so Boytown. Boytown. Boytown Beach, Florida. Welfork was a track and field standout before switching to football at the University of Miami. Selected 21st overall in the 2004 draft. He was known for his strength, size, and ability to stuff the run, often drawing double teams and anchoring defenses with his power and skill. Over his career, Wolf Fork recorded 560 tackles, 16 sacks and three interceptions earning two Superbowl championships, five Pro Bowl selections and a reputation as

one of the best defense tackles of his era known for his charisma and a love for a barbecue and a great career. He was era known for his charisma and a love for barbecue. He has remained a beloved figure off the field where his big personality and big hits made him a fan favorite. That's a lot by AI. The long synopsis. That's the longest one we had so far, but Vince deserves it. Heck yeah. A hundred percent deserves it. He's the biggest guy so far we've been talking about. He's about 365 pounds. I think they got it.

Got it wrong there. This guy can eat you up, man. He's lost a lot of weight now. He sure has. He looks really good, man. He does. Really good. It looks good on him.

It's just sad that, you know, he's not coming back though. I know. You know, cause every good player, you always have that imagination that they're going to come back. He never, he always thought V could, I think V could still play. You just have that thought about him. What's the first thing that comes to your mind when you think about Big V?

The barbecues, you know. He came out with his own barbecue sauce. I'm pretty sure Mr. Kraft used to have that team get together, team bonding at his house in the Cape. After you made the team, it was right at the end of August. Uh, what, what, how they sat right at the end of August labor day, labor day. Yep.

And, uh, it was labor day week and we would all go up there and, uh, it'd be ribs or be, you know, stakes. And then here comes big V coming through and he'd bring his own barbecue sauce every single year. And I wouldn't eat those ribs or the sorenline or, you know, the burger meat until that barbecue sauce got there. And once Big V showed up, hey, Big V passes sauce over, buddy. Yeah, he loved it, too, man.

He loved being known about that sauce. And he just loved just the atmosphere around a cookout. I was fortunate enough to get invited to one of his cookouts. He smoked some ribs. He was in some big ass overalls with no shirt smoking ribs. He just looks at home when he's on a barbecue. He looks like that's he's at home. The first I remember when I was a rookie.

He's comfortable. That's just comfort zone for him. It is. I remember my rookie year. My welcome to the NFL moment was like I was rolling in like my my Toyota rental and I park it in the way back of the players lot. And all of a sudden, there's this fucking huge semi. A fucking semi truck rolls in and parks up right in the front

and takes like two damn spots, backs in backs in this big ass orange semi truck. It's fucking Vince's daily driver. Vince had like a huge semi truck daily driver. He gets out, I think it looked just like him in front of the barbecue. Just a comfort zone for him. Just a big ass dude getting out of a big ass truck. Big V was just fucking so cool.

That was like my first welcome. I was like, holy shit. I didn't know you could buy semi trucks. Well, speaking of welcome to the NFL, he gave me my welcome to the NFL dosage of a hit when training camp rookie year, you know, the Wham block. What's the Wham block explain where they let go the guard, let go. Let's just defense a tackle free. So then he thinks he's going to go get a sack. And then a wham block is when I come across the line of scrimmage

at the tight end position when I'm off the ball and I'm the one that goes and I wham the defensive tackle and try to block like a trap for the tight end. There you go. Exactly. And we're trapping the defensive tackle. So he knows it's coming. I mean, this is a specialty play that the New England Patriots been running. Nine on seven. They know the fuck. Yeah. Well, well before me. Yeah, it is.

It was it was a nine on seven. So yeah, the defense does know the script so they can look really good in the run game throughout that whole period. And I think they also told them this play was coming, being specifically knowing I'm on a black fence and they wanted to see my toughness as a rookie. So the players call I'm in full pads. You know, I'm a wham block. I got to show my toughness.

I got to show my keeps. I got to get the respect of my fellow teammates, especially the veterans. Well, they pay the pitcher also robs a rookie here. V was like the big dog on campus. In practice, no one really gets close to him because you don't want to piss him off when you're new. He's like, holy shit, is that a, that is a large human being. He's like so big, I think there's like something that orbits him,

like on how round he is. Like that's, you didn't want to get in his way. You didn't want to piss him off because he was very intimidating. Get back to your story. So the play, you know, gets on its way. I do my little two, you know, two side steps, you know, on the motion. I'm running full speed right at Vince Wilford. This guy peeks over to his left.

He sees me coming. He has this grin on his face knowing I was coming. He put his shoulder down. I'm going full speed at him and he gets that leverage and just tease off on me. I went flying backwards five to six yards. I didn't even land on my back. He sent me flying in the air where I landed on my feet still. Oh my God.

Yeah. And that hit hurt like a mother effort. But what's cool is I gained the respect of my teammates and my coach at that time, tight end coach in that meeting that day when we went and reviewed the players, Brian Farrons, love you, Brian Farrons. He's now at Iowa with his dad doing, you know, doing his thing, doing a good job. He goes, yo, what were you thinking? Trying to block Vince Wolf work because you're never going to do that again.

I go, thank you. Thank you. I go, I'll never do it again. And ever since that day, you know, we had about five more of those calls and I just go up to my hug. I didn't need to try to block him. It was just only going to get me hurt from there on out. Yeah, I just give him a hug like this. No, no, it's the way I'm black man.

I know you're going to beat me like this. There's no reason to go through this motion of me getting thrown backwards again. Oh my God. I'm going to break a rib. He's so he's so strong. I love your ribs and you're going to, you know, you'll probably eat them. Yeah. Enjoy them after with your barbecue sauce, buddy. Oh, my. That had to be so terrifying. It was well, at that time, it was because he's an intimidating guy.

Like when you join the team to terrifying after that, because I was trying to, you know, gainer my keeps man. Like I was trying to prove myself. So I didn't care who was in my way. And then I learned I do care who's in my way. Yeah, when it comes down to the NFL, you got to that's when you learn on when to, you know, take your shots at someone went not to when the block someone hard, one, the kind of like just brother in law box someone out as well instead of trying to hit them full speed. You hit them full speed heads up. They, you know, they're way bigger than you. This is when you start learning the ins and outs. And that's one ends. And now I learned big time freaking V and he was so quick to like, that's what people don't realize. Like they just surprisingly quick because of how big he was and Yeah. And his feet, he had fast feet, man.

He was kind of like a running back. That pitter patter is like, well, well, well, big burp right there, Jules. Wow. It's the barbecue I ate from five years ago with big fans. It's still coming out. We ate that much. I tasted that barbecue sauce. That was good. But his feet were surprisingly quick. He was like a bum bum bum. He was a rabbit out there. I remember always going in the weight room and you go over by like the kettlebells

and like the arm bars and stuff. And there'd always be a shock put there. Remember him? You ever see him shock put? And I never have. Oh, my God. He can fucking shot. He was a fucking track star. I think he had like the state record. He had insane strength, too. I remember like he wouldn't go in the weight room to just like warm up,

you know, do 315 like five. He would just go in the weight room just to, you know, maintain his strength. And he would just walk in. And I remember him just throwing up like 425 pounds on the bench and just tossing it up, then racking and be like, I'm done for the day. Yeah. Like he didn't even need to work on his strength that much because he was just that strong naturally. And like it was to a whole

Another level. Yeah, I remember seeing him in the weight room, too He like Marcus Cannon when he would work out the weights would bend He was just so strong and he had always great movement Like he was very he was very skillful like fluid fluid like when you watch big V throw football He looks like he spins a ball really well. You see him hit a golf ball. He fucking has an unbelievable golf swing I mean the guy is so athletic. He used to return punts in high school Like I remember, you know Bill always every training camp when it's getting to like day nine ten guys are worn down, beat up mentally, physically, emotionally exhausted.

He'd always have a big lineman come in and try to catch a pun. And if you caught punch, you'd have the night off. He threw V up there and it looked too fucking easy. I think he won and snagged that thing. He was he was so athletic. He could have played fullback. I swear he could play running back and get, gain some yards before going down tight end. He could definitely play.

I heard him talking about this too, as well. He could play defense event, obviously anywhere on the defense line. And he like you said, quarterback as well. He had an arm. He loved being, you know, before practice was going on, you know, before we get really got into a be chucking the ball, you know, to to his fellow defensive players, having a good old time. He was just so disruptive as well. And he was kind of like the two gap god when he was,

you know, on that defensive line and that be able to take two gaps. You know how much that frees that linebacker? That's a linebacker's best friend right there. Vince Wolf or 100 percent. I mean, Gerard Mayo, Dante Hightower, Jamie, they all love them. They all do. Guys like they love guys that take double teams, lets you get to that fucking boom. Kind of big V just sit, big V has so many stats. He had so much production for the amount of stats he had because he had such hidden things

that made plays go. It was unblockable and you take two double teams, they can never get the guy to the second level. Like he just was fucking a monster. And we wanted to talk about him on this show specifically because because what is he known for on Thanksgiving, Jules? He's the one that created the butt. But Fombo the freaking the butt, the force or the generator of the butt fumble versus the New York jets.

Oh, thank you. Sanchez. Oh my God. And he did that before. Like he, he, it's where he gets so much penetration. He drives his guy back so far that it hit the quarterback with the guy that he was driving backs. But that made him fumble the football and Steve Gregory scoop score in his home area of New Jersey, which was just a fucking crazy game.

That comes to my mind when I think of Vince of some of his crazy story. But also remember when we were in Buffalo and he read out the receiver's screen. What was he rewarded with though, after the butt fumble? Well he had the turkey. On the post game. He had the turkey leg. He had the turkey leg.

He ate that. He was rewarded with a turkey leg during the post game for his contribution to the butt fumble. And he ate that thing. He ate it all. Not surprised. So what was it that you're talking about in Buffalo? Remember in Buffalo where they had that receiver screen

and V read it and he was full speed and a receiver was full speed not seeing him and it looked like if a semi hit like one of those little smart cars. Oh my gosh. This was the receiver, like he was up, he was up and then like your finger just got bent backwards and matter of a split second,

that looked like the receiver right there. It's not even that, it's not even the mass. Imagine if he like fell on you going that fast. Well, he squished you like a bug. Like a fucking bug. I bet you got his wind. It's like a fly out of the air and it just explodes everywhere.

That's kind of what happened to the Bill's wide receiver. And you always. They flattened them. No, it was it was that that's a terrifying hit. Like that's like that was a terrifying hit. There's a lot of big hits that you see here. Like, all right, you can you can withstand that. But when it's straight physics, when you got mass times velocity, you get force, you get fucking force.

And that's what big V was. I don't know if that's right for you. Physics people get us in there. But then also, what about, what about his, his interceptions? We're talking big place here. I mean, he had that, that pick verse Phillip rivers at home in Gillette stadium when he was, was that another screen or he was just, I think it was a no, it got tipped or something. Did he tip it?

Did he tip it? Yeah. he tipped it to himself. He showed great ball skills right there. And then you saw your fast feet. Yes. And then he started just, you know, trucking down the field like a rabbit with his fast feet. He looked nimble and he looked agile and just rumbling down the field. I don't think anyone in the world that watched that play, anyone in the world that watched that play,

anyone in the world didn't want that big man to score. When a big man has that, cause the ball looked like a fucking like a paper towel in his armpit. A loaf of bread. A loaf of bread. I mean, it looks- Pumpernickel. Pumpernickel.

It looks so small and he's like running it. And like everyone is just sitting there like look at the big big go. Reminds me of when Conley also did that and the kickoff return. Oh, yeah. Against Packers. That was cool too. I love when big men get to run the ball. Or score a touch on it. Score a tug. In the red zone. Nate Soldier. Everyone loves it, man. Yeah. Nate Soldier had that one. In the 10. The Lions are doing it a lot this year. The Lions are doing it doing it we're speaking of thanksgiving you know teams lions in there you know don't don't not expect a trick play to alignment this thanksgiving from the detroit lions i mean or a fake punt you're gonna you're gonna there's gonna be something like that we talked about on

this show a few weeks back tight end university day or happy tight end day. What is called? National tight end day? National tight end day. There's got to be a national big guy touchdown day or a big guy catch day. It just needs to be national big. And like it's a rule in the NFL book that you have to at least run one tackle eligible play. One tackle eligible. The guy has to be over 275 pounds. 285 pounds has to touch a football on one specific day. National big fat guy day. I like that. That's what I think.

We like that. Who's going to start it? I think we need big V. Yeah. Big V. Come on. Let's go. You remember in the butt fumble game?

I remember watching it the next day in meetings. Bill rewinded it like four or five times, barely said anything. And then I got up and talked and he said, the Jets got exactly what they deserve. Like did something like one of those. You know what I mean? Do you remember that? I actually was hurt that year, Joel. So I was at home just watching it from my couch, just enjoying my Thanksgiving. And I just remember that play happening.

I was shocked, right? Because we were already dominating, dominating, dominating them. It wasn't even a close game at all. And just when that happened, I was giggling to myself like, what a play. I never seen anything like that. And I was screaming, too, because Gregory just scooped it. Like it just didn't happen. A butt fumble and directly into his hands. No, directly on the ground and directly into Gregory's hand.

Yeah. But it went to the end zone of the Patriots as well. We got six points out of it. It's like it doesn't happen usually. Usually like a play like that, you know, usually someone just gets on it. It's a fumble recovery. It went to the house. We scored on it. Now, how do you think Sanchez or San Cheeto feels about that? I mean, Sanchez is a good dude. He's a goofy dude. He's goofy. So I think he kind of likes it.

I think he does like it. Yeah. Yeah. He does own it for sure. I heard him referencing. He'll get he'll giggle about it for sure. It's kind of like the Miami miracle. I own that play. Yeah. It's kind of like the Miami Miracle. I own that place. Yeah. You got like the butt fumble with Sanchez. I mean, it's OK. I mean, it happens. It's kind of like the 2004 or 2002 frost off championship between the Bay Division Ocean Division.

You know, I gave this interception away and they won it on it. It's kind of like you own it now. Fucking me. I'll never own it. It's bullshit. It's OK, Jules. One day it on it. It's kind of like you own it now. Fucking me. I'll never own it. It's bullshit. It's OK, Jules. One day you'll own it. You'll get over it. It's OK, man. We're here for it. Just be thankful for other things and then you'll get over that.

You know what I'm also thankful for? What are you thankful for? That we were a part of probably two of the craziest play calls in the history of football. One, the butt fumble. Yes. What's more embarrassing, the butt fumble? Or do you remember when the Colts had that stupid punt formation that they tried on sad?

What was down? What was the fourth and two? And they were trying to get us on a trick. I think more than four. It was weird formation. They had like everyone spread out wide. And then the center was down in distance. And then there spread out wide and then the center. What's the down in distance? And then there was a running back behind the center or something.

And then they hiked it and everyone was in like in shock. Like what the heck is possibly going on? Has. And that's the only reason I bring this up is because the same shock factor that we had that like, did that, but just make that fumble. And then we scored a touchdown. That same shock factor is the same shock factor we had when they did that but just make that fumble. And then we scored a touchdown. That same shock factor is the same shock factor we had when they did this punt formation thing.

Did he really hike the ball? I'm not a math guy, but three on one. I'm looking at the Colts sideline right here after the play. Are you fucking serious? What is this? Like this is National Football League. And they're only down by six in the third quarter. I don't know. That's the cult for you.

That was that was worse. So in the buff. Yeah, because the ball that's a place through force in gravity. Exactly. The butt fumble was made by Vince in that fucking three hundred and twenty five pound frame, twenty five pound frame, taking his match up and driving him into the fucking I'm flabbergasted. I didn't realize we were going to get into that play. I think they rose the banner that year. That's why I never lost. Was that the banner year they rose the bill? Never lost to the cult. Did we ever lose to the Colts? I did now 2009 That was 2009 in a force to it. Yes, it doesn't count. How about the big boy on body issues?

I mean, he's he's not like it looks like muscle. It is muscle That's why I love the ESPN the body issue cuz they they featured everyone. Yeah And it's they were just showing how are you on it? The statue. Yes. How the statue of the body. Oh, yeah. Representing all different types of athletes, you know, from a guy that played tackle to a wide receiver to myself. Right there. Leung wrong. You want to know the running joke was about me

on being on the body issue cover. What was that? The circle was really small that they needed to use. What circle the cover me up? Yeah. You know what? I didn't they tell you it was going to be a small set? Like there's not going to be a lot of people there. There really wasn't. There's probably like five, five to six.

How many people were on your side? I feel like there's 30 in mind. Really? 30. I wanted to see you, Jules. You're a good looking guy. No, I think a wonderful body. Now, how did the how did the the football stay on? It's a good question.

I was kind of adjusting it before every shot, and then I kind of adjusted it. So I kind of found that niche. Did you take a Viagra to keep that thing staked up so you could just post on there? No, no, it was actually one of the worst performance looking days of my life. It was kind of chilly in there. I swear. I tell them the same thing.

I felt like a frozen raisin. Yeah. And I was just giggling at myself every time I look back at the pictures. I know, cause you're taking me out. Yeah, it was bad. It was bad. I was embarrassed just looking at it myself.

It was crazy. Cause like you would looking at it myself. It was crazy. Cause like you would see like a picture after, you know, you'd go with the photographer and your, your wiener would be out and you'd see the picture. And then all of a sudden they'd be like, Oh, don't worry. We could just cut that. Yeah. But you're sitting there worrying because you're like, you're going to go tell everyone, you know,

and then that person that's reviewing, I requested is going to tell you degrees in the shoot set. It was 60 10 minutes. What kind of dude is Vince Will Fork stud, a freak, a dog, a dude's dude or a whiz? I mean, he's a ways is a lot of intellectual and knowledge of the game of football. I mean, he was a smart player. That's why he knew that big play that he made when we were talking about it

versus the Buffalo Bills, and he absolutely dominated the receiver on that screen across the middle because he saw that play coming. He sniffed it out like he was a wizard out there. That's how he made majority of his place. Same with his interceptions. He knew the screen was coming. He backed off. He knew that when he got dropped, he wasn't going to just go to the quarterback and get

a free sack. He knew there must be a different type of play coming out. It's going to be a screen or it's a gimmick or something. I mean, he was smart, bro. He was very smart on that football field. I'm telling you. I mean, yeah, he was a freak for his size. I mean, 360 just the way that he could move his athletic ability.

Kind of a dude's dude as well with his barbecues, man, inviting the guys over, having that barbecue sauce for everyone. He was also a fucking dog. Yeah, he was a dog. He was grimy in there. Oh, yeah. When you're the guy taking the double team the whole time and you know, you have to go against 600 pounds every fucking play because he's taking double teams every play 600 pounds. And he would take those double teams and kind of just eat those double teams up.

He really would. And just let that linebacker just free to go in and make the plays. And he's a fucking stud. He is athleticism. He is, man. I mean, he could shoot a basketball. I mean, he's insane thrower of the football. You watch his golf swing. You're like, holy fuck. I think he's scratch golf.

This is a true tough one, man. This is really tough to really categorize and pinpoint Vince Wolf for just one category. Man is going to be tough on three. What do you expect? One. Oh, man. Hold on. Let me keep thinking about this, man.

Oh, all right. All right. One, two, three, three. Oh, all right. All right. One, two, three. Freaks. Oh, man. Oh, man. I know, man. He is a freak, though. But he's so smart, man. I'm telling you, he's a smart football player.

Yeah, but that goes into his freakiness, where you think a guy that looks like him is smart is he's great. He's great in commercials, too. Like you see him in that stove commercial now, like grilling and all that. He's on TV. But you also you're sitting there like, God, be smart. This guy got to be smart. Look at this large guy. Right. Now, like we said, we're categorizing freaks as you're just looking at someone. You're like, how can they possibly do that?

But also a strain that size also also like the can we say? Yeah, he's he's a wizard, though. Can you agree with that? I 100 percent. I mean, I always I mean, Bill talking about how smart he is, a football player, instinctive. So I do agree. He is a freak of nature. I mean, obviously, to be that size, to move, you know, to move that well

on the football field, take on double teams and just squash them just the way he tackled guys to too, they would go right down. There was no missed tackles by Vince Wolf work when he got your hands on you. No. So he draped you down and he swallow you. All right. We'll try again. Let's do it again. One, two, three. Frick. Stamp it. Let's move on to our next guest.

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Like this is getting raunchy, but it kind of goes with Shannon Sharf. Instagram live. So make sure those Instagram lives are turned off right now, ladies and gentlemen, because we don't know what may happen. Start the clock. What's AI got to say about old Shannon? Old Shannon Sharpe.

Shannon Sharpe is renowned as one of the greatest tight ends in NFL history, known for his exceptional athleticism and competitive spirit. Off the field, he is known for his exceptional athleticism and competitive spirit. Off the field he is admired for his charismatic personality and dedication to community service. That was community service on that Instagram Live. Made a lot of people happy. A lot of people happy. A lot of people got happy. Yeah, they sure did. And entertainment too. Entertainment, hey, that's community service.

That's serving the community. Yes, it sure is. All right. We're getting a little hot man now. Chart made a significant impact on the Denver Broncos and Baltimore Ravens, winning three Super Bowl titles and becoming a key player in their offenses. He was the first tight end to surpass 10,000 receiving yards. I don't even have 10,000 receiving yards. He's a monster. And this was back in the day. Back in the day.

That's beastly. And held the records for most receptions receiving yards and touchdowns by a tight end at the time of his retirement. Sharp's post-retirement career as a sports analyst has farther solidified his influence in the football world. And he's not just an analyst in the football world either. He's an analyst in all of sports, which he is like, he has broadened his fan base big time by, you know,

breaking down basketball. Basketball. Breaking down, what, badminton, if he had to. This guy can do it all in the broadcasting world. When he went up with skip him and skip it's good like He could battle him. He could talk. Mm-hmm. I mean, there's no that's he's famous for a reason Not just his podcast uncle Shayshae

And and everything that he's got going this guy's like he you could tell he's a fucking smart guy and everything that he's got going. This guy's like, he, you could tell he's a fucking smart guy. He looks like he can still play. He sure does. He looks like a linebacker now as well. He looks like he's Jack. He can go out there and just level fools and just get right back up. He is jacked.

And I think he posted an Instagram within the year of him benching still. And I think it was like three 85. It was around there. Don't quote me the exact way, but it was right around there. And he put it up like five times as well. Jesus. He's huge. Jacked.

He, I watched a lot of the films and the mic'd up and stuff. Yeah. He could talk some shit too. He's one of the- Shannon Sharp could talk some shit. He is the biggest shit talking tight end in NFL history without doubt about it. No doubt about that.

How about when he when he came to Foxborough, one of the old stadium back in the day? Obviously, he was playing in the 90s and he picked up the phone, the red phone. No one picks up the red phone. No one picks up the phone. You get your ass busted if you pick up that phone. He put hey, hey hey someone call the president We're we're what what do you say exactly? We just someone call the president. We're killing the Patriots sending the troops Then he something like that. It was right or wrong that those lines right right?

Yeah, we are killing the Patriots send it someone call the president We are killing the Patriots and this this is back before, like talking to the cam. Like now we see players always talking to the camera on the sideline or before a game, pregame, postgame. Like she and Sharp was an innovator of a lot of that. Like when you get you'd see the guys warming up in the warmups and stuff. He'd always engage the camera, like and let you know he's about to run up all of your ass in the game that week and start talking to the fans.

He's fucking crazy. He is crazy. I mean, he has wide receiver bill because I think he was drafted as a wide receiver as well as he. Yeah, he was. And then he put on some weight. Obviously, you got to put on weight if you're drafted as a wide receiver. It went to the tight end position, but that kind of explains why he was such a great route runner because he was a receiver coming into the NFL.

And that kind of explains why he's so jacked as well because he had that skinny frame and then he had to hit the weights hard. There's no doubt about it. He has like downhill speed. Like when he gets going, he catches that ball. He's gone. When he catches, he's gone. He was not letting his hell.

He's a freak. Run by. Yeah, he is a freak. There's no doubt about that. He's low as hell. He's a freak. Run by. Yeah he is a freak. There's no doubt about that. He's low-key kind of a freak. I don't even think we got a debate at the end. I think he's a freak no matter what. Well we know he's a freak in them sheets. Yeah he is. I mean back to the Instagram live real quick. You think it was set up. I mean to get into Instagram live you have to open up your phone. Your face has to be recognized or you got to put your password and you got to hit Instagram Then you got to hit like the story button Then you got to move over to the right and hit Instagram live and then when you hit that it says are you sure you?

Want to go live and then you got to hit yes, I mean, I still think it's an accident. Is it an inside job? It's an accident. It was an accident. Was it a girl or was he live before? I don't know the story that before and accidentally put his phone down. I'm not sure. But I mean, it was entertainment. I mean, I didn't listen. He was getting the job done. I didn't listen either.

What a hell of a career. One. What do you want? Three Super Bowls, two at the Broncos and John Elway in that that late Broncos surge of John's career. And then he went to the Ravens and was part of that founding block of foundation for that organization. Him and Ray Lewis, like Ray was the guy that had the team. And it was like always, they always had like quarterbacks that weren't necessarily like big name quarterbacks. It was more of playing to the defense. And, you know, the guy on the offense

that was always represented was Shannon Sharp. That's what I remember as a kid, when you watch the Ravens, it was Shannon Sharp's team on the offense. And that's crazy. The crazy thing about Shannon is his brother Sterling and the amount of respect he had for his brother who, he had like a, what'd he, he played, how many years? He played seven years in the league,

got cut with the neck injury, got cut short with the neck injury, was like Tearing up everything was all pro five times led the NFL in Receptions a few three years and it was really cool to hear when Shannon got inducted to Hall of Fame that he would be the Only guy up there in the Hall of Fame that had a brother that was better than him He said something along those lines. I'm paraphrasing So you have to give a shout out to Sterling.

And he was he was really good on TV back in the day, too. I will shout out to Sterling as well, because actually, I didn't know any of this has ever occurred. I didn't know that Shannon had a brother. He was a monster. I played in the NFL that thank you for the factuals. Thank you for the knowledge. We're always here to learn.

That was pretty cool that you know more about a tight end than I know about a tight end. So that was cool. It's pretty cool to hear the brother brother. It is. Like you had an older brother. Like, do you have any of those stories where your older brother like punked you into?

Of course. That's why I also think it was really cool that you shared that story. Cause I got three older brothers and one younger brother played on their teams growing up, played same football teams in high school and college and didn't remember Dan was on our team. Yeah. The New England Patriots for a little bit. Yeah. Big piece. He does have a big piece in it's dark as well. Yeah. So it's like like a double whammy big piece. Yeah. Double whammy big piece. Yeah, double whammy big piece.

Yeah, it's tan, I guess. I don't know. That's what I've heard. That's what his wife told me. Here's brother. You've definitely seen his. No, no, he's never showed me. No, I was making fun of him one time and his wife came in like, well, he has a bigger and darker dick than you. And I was like, well, I know that, but I'm going to keep making fun of him.

Like, I already know that. That's why I keep making fun of them. Like, I already know that. That's why I am making fun of them so I can make myself feel. But OK, back to Shannon Sharp, who has a sharp piece. Well, why are we always, Jules, why are we talking about this stuff? I don't know. Yeah. I mean, this is dude talk, though. This is dudes on dudes. Like, this is so great, because whenever we get off subject

and topic and everything, we can always just blame it on the name of the show. Dudes just being dudes. And no lie, that's what dudes do, man. Dudes talk about, it's weird, why do dudes talk about pea sizes so much, like when it's just the dudes on the couch watching the game? Why is that?

I don't know. It always comes back to that, it's weird. Mono y mono. Fourth leg. The greatest trash talker of all time. I was watching him on the whatever, when it was NFL shows, top 100 shows, wherever I had the NFL channel on. And someone told Shannon Sharp before, don't quote me exactly. It's just along these lines. They said, Hey, Shannon, you want to be famous? You want to be well known?

Then don't block. And Shannon Sharp took that to heart. And he went out there and goes, I'm going to go out there and catch passes. I'm going to go out there and I'm going to be well known. I'm going to be famous and I'm going to catch passes, score touch downs and give first downs and that's sure what he did. But he wasn't that bad of a blocker either. He went out there.

He got it done. He's kind of one of the first tight ends, uh, revolutionized the tight end position as well, and, uh, to open up an offense at the tight end position. And he's kind of more of an H back tight end as well, kind of shorter, more stockier and he got the job done. He could run, he runs like a deer. I mean, he didn't have all those stats for not being great I mean, he's a monster. Did you ever watch that cat Williams interview? No, I haven't I I didn't either

But I just remember the hype of that whole thing. That's what well That's what happened with cat Williams went on like a three-hour rant I feel like Shannon would be a great time to hang out with like back in the day when he was your teammate and you Went out to the club with him. He would be a great time to hang out with like back in the day when he was your teammate and you went out to the club with him he'd be a freaking great he would go up and talk to any girl about he just talks trash 24 7 you go up he'd be in the club talking to like eight girls at once talking garbage about his teammates are hyping you up. Yo, you see my boy over there? Yo, you see my boy over there? You see that touchdown he had? You see that? He needs a girl like you tonight. He needs a back massage. He needs some relaxation. We need him ready for next week. Can you please go over there and just sit on his lap? I'm telling you, good looking guy. I've seen him. He's seen him in the shower too before. I'm telling you, he's looking right over there. Ultimate hype guy. But I bet you'd be like that. But he, he probably, you probably hate playing against him.

Like we never played against him. You probably hate playing against Shannon Sharp. Just because of A, his production, how good he was, and B, he let you know how good he was. Most ripped tight end of all time too. He's got, he's up there. Up there, he is the most ripped. Look at him, he's fucking jacked.

Jacked, biceps freaking sticking out. He love that Hennessy. He a up there. No, up there. He is the most ripped. Look at him. He's fucking Jack. Jack, biceps freaking sticking out. He love that Hennessy. He a good guy. I've seen him drinking Hennessy. Is it a bunch, right? There's always pictures. I swear he'll be working out. I don't know what it is, but this guy,

I don't know how he can drink that alcohol and look that great. God touched him. I don't know how he can drink that alcohol and look that great. God touched him. Because he he's fucking a monster in a great way. Who are some of the best trash talkers you you played against? Oh, Charles Suggs. He was great. T. Sizzle. Yeah, T. Sizzle. Same route.

Yeah, Ravens. Yeah, he does. T. Sizzle was great, man. He was a scary player as well. He was massive. T-Series loved the talk. Talk garbage. What do you say to you? I mean, it was so long ago. Yeah. Yeah. So like, fuck you, girl. Yeah. Like just shit like that.

I'm a kill you. No, he loved he loved the talk, like over the line and over me and just direct it right to Brady. Did he? Always, always, man. He was just directing it right to Tom every single game and then I'd be in front of him. Yeah, you ain't touching Tom I'm here. I'm chipping your ass. You ain't getting no Yeah But uh, I would never talk garbage back really to him because he was scary Yeah, he was scary

Yeah Scott said fuck you to Billy. Oh, remember that in the playoff gamele. I remember Bart Scott said, fuck you to Billy O's. Remember that? In the playoff game? Bart Scott. Bart Scott. I remember Bart Scott went up right. He was three inches from Billy O'Brien's face and said, fuck you white boy. And Billy O's T-Kettle, he goes, fuck you Bart!

I love when Billy OO yells, man. I always got me excited and always got me going. Oh, they beat our ass that game. That was when we were 14-2. Yeah, they did. They beat our ass in that division game. Fucking Jets. We should have never lost that freaking game. What was it? What was Bart Scott's thing? Can't wait. Can't wait.

Can't wait to lose the next game. 10 minutes is up. Alright, what kind of dude is Shannon Sharp? I mean, freak, absolute freak. He's a freak on the field, freak in the sheets, just freak on the undisputed show, freak on serious radio when he was on. He's been a freak his whole life.

He's freaky. He's freaky, freaky, freaky. He's also he can be dog. Oh, a little bit, but he's more of a freak. He's a freak. He's Freaky Friday. Stamp. He's a little bit, but he's more of a freak. He's a freak. He's Freaky Friday. That's stamp. He's a Freaky Friday.

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Listen to 40s and free agents on the I heart radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Patrick Levon, my Mahomes the second. Should we start the clock? Remember, we have 10 minutes to talk about each dude to determine on what dude these dudes are. So let's start the clock. Ready, set, go.

Rob, let's start with AI. Patrick Mahomes is an elite NFL quarterback for the Kansas City Chiefs. Known for his incredible arm strength, agility, and leadership, leading his team to multiple Super Bowl victories. Few. Not a couple, a few.

What, three Super Bowls? Been to how many? Four? No, four Super Bowls he's been to? Yeah, he's been to four. Three-time champion? Jesus. Off the to, he's been to four, three time champion off the field. He has admired for his humility, community involvement and philanthropic efforts, particularly through his 15 and the Mahomes foundation. He's a, he's a, he's a guy for the

kids. Loves the kids. Just like myself. I have the rock nation youth foundation. We're for the kids. That's why I love Patrick even more. Now he's for the kids. You're for the kids. You're a good dude. When you're for the kids, you're a good dude. influential figures in the NFL today. Wow. Tell you the truth, I don't think AI actually got it right. I mean, if AI got it right, it would have been a page, like, of like 10 pages. They didn't even say anything about his arm angle thing. Like everyone talks, every human talks about this fucking arm angle.

He can throw the ball sideways. He can throw it, you know, over the shoulder. Behind the back, we see the behind the back this year. He can throw it with his know over behind the back behind the back this year. He could throw it with his eyes closed No lookers. I mean Patrick Levan home my homes the second he's he's Are you laughing? Patrick Levan, I love how you're just saying his middle name as well. I like Patrick Levan my homes a sense

It's it's a good sound. No, I got a story with him. So back when you were balling in 2017 Super Bowl against Philadelphia, Minnesota, I had to tour an ACL. And so I proceed to go out and it's me, Cliff Kingsbury, his agent, Eric, and Jacqueline, Barry, his agent, Eric and Jacqueline, who was working with Cliff, whose my homes is marking lady and this rookie, Patrick Mahomes. And we were all at this table at some party or some I don't even know club. And Mahomes was just like the coolest little dude chugging beers.

We were we're sitting back chugging beers, we were sitting back, chugging beers. I didn't even really know who he was because they still had Alex Smith. This was the year that he sat behind him, right? And no one knew who he was. And he was just, you could tell he was one of the dudes that you wanted to hang around. He's a fucking just good ass kid. He was like a little puppy there, man.

He was just, yo, let's take a shot. You want to? And it's so crazy to see where his story's gone. I mean, he's a fucking, he's a legend. He's an absolute legend. He is a legend. I don't have a story like that. I just met him one time really quick. It was on the set of a subway commercial

and I was shooting and then he was right after me. And I mean, good thing I didn't have a foot long, you know, in my hand when I met him. That would have been a little awkward. But when I went up to him, we kind of, I just got out. Yeah, with your pants. How would you know that, Jules? I showered with you for 10, nine years.

Oh yeah, that's true. Yeah. Oh yeah, forgot. His brother's bigger though. Yeah, he has Danji.. Oh yeah. Forgot. His brother's bigger though. Yeah. Danji has a monster piece. Danji should represent something. All right. Back to my homes. All right. So I just, you know, I was coming out of my trailer. I just finished my set. Then he was coming on, on the set. He was coming out of his trailer and then we just walked by each other. I just met him super quick for about 30 seconds. We just said, what's up? I don't have a cool story like you Jules,

but he just seems like the ultimate dude, like a great guy, great teammate, person that, you know, that will never, you know, any, like whatever get too big time for anyone. Like fame will never change this guy. I never like just the way he acts, the way he carries himself, which is great. And I feel like that's why he's loved by America. The chieftain might not be loved by America, but there's no one that says, hey, you know,

I don't like Patrick Mahomes. I mean, if they don't like Patrick Mahomes, it's because he is facing their team, you know, that week. Beating their ass. And beating their ass. That is right. But overall, man, everyone loves Patrick Mahomes. They love his game.

They love his personality. They love what he represents. And he's just the man, everyone loves Patrick Mahomes. They love his game. They love his personality. They love what he represents. And he's just the man, dude, just the way he plays the game as well. He's not scared. He has no fear out there on the field. I mean, he doesn't care if he's gonna get hit by a linebacker, hit by a D lineman.

Just his game just brings a whole new perspective to the fans in the NFL. Definitely. And like you said, his success hasn't changed him at all. You can tell how he handles himself in front of the media that he's such a team guy. Like when you watch him, he never points fingers. He only points thumbs. You know what I mean?

He never says anything. He always puts it on himself. And that's what a leader, that's someone who we played with that did. That's what Tom did. Exactly. You know what I mean? That's why he, you know, he's in that, he's doing what Tom shit did. I literally think Patrick Mahomes and Tom Brady have the most similar careers out of like any other quarterbacks. I mean, they both sat behind another quarterback when they got into the league, which I think a lot of first rounders should be doing that.

I mean, look how much, you know, mature Patrick Mahomes was, you know, going in when he first started because he sat behind Alex Smith. He got to learn. And then when it was his turn, Daniel's yes, Jayden Daniels is only one that I would say. Yeah, he's right. He's NFL ready. Daniels is the only one that I would say. Yeah, he's NFL ready. Why you got to, like, there's an exception. But majority, I mean, majority of the time, it's better for a player, you know, a first round quarterback to sit.

You know, obviously Tom sat behind Drew Blatso, Patrick Mahomes sat behind Alex Smith, and then it was, when it was their opportunity, they were ready to go and they took full advantage, and then they became the starter from there on out. Obviously. Didn't Josh Allen sit behind, wasn't Fitzpatrick there for a little bit early on?

He was sitting, he didn't come out. Jules, we're not talking about Josh Allen right now. Okay, buddy, you're getting off track. I know. Like always though, you used to get off track. But you always get right back on track, that's why I love you. You just need someone there just whipping your ass at all times. I need it. Need it. Need it. I need it too. And it really is. He's really revolutionized the quarterback

position. You could put him in that same category as like Steph Curry, who's changed the position. Now, Tom, he's just a sit in the quarterback, sit in the pocket type, spot type quarterback. The best one to do that. The best one to do that. This is the first time where you've seen like the real, real athletic quarterback guy that changes launch angles,

guy that makes plays with like second plays within the plays really succeed and do what he's done. And it's made like, you see the kid at Nebraska, what's his name? Dylan Raola, I mean, you have now young kids trying to look identical to what Patrick Mahomes is doing. And you see a lot of that, you saw a lot of that with Aaron Rogers and his play, how people emulated, how he plays,

you know, you look at how Jordan Love throws and all these younger quarterbacks, the Zach Willisons, their little jump passes where they try to get that ground force production. Mahomes is also doing that. Now people are looking at Mahomes. He's that next generation where everyone of these little kids is really emulating,

which is very parallel to what Steph Curry did the NBA. And what also the factor is with Steph Curry now is too, is that he can hit a three pointer with a seven footer in front of his face with the best guard guarding him while he can hit the three pointer off of one foot falling backwards on a fade away. That's kind of like my homes on the field as, as an NFL quarterback. He's doing no look passes. He's falling backwards, getting hit. He's still throwing it on target. What else?

He's throwing it underhand to the guy. So him and Steph Curry are very similar in the way that they can just release that ball and still get it to exactly where they need it to go and swish every shot. Still. It's unbelievable. Rob, what a fucking, what that, that was a fucking three point, that was a half court three point three pointer take from down town. I'm heating up. That was a fucking three point. That was a half court three point. That was a three pointer take from downtown. I'm heating up. I got a scouting report for fricking Patrick. I wrote a scouting report. He's crafty.

He has great ability to extend plays and that's actually what makes Patrick Mahomes possibly, possibly better than the goat in the end. That's the only thing that I would say could possibly make them better than the goat in the end. That's the only thing that I would say could possibly make them better than Tom Brady in the end is that he can extend plays to a whole nother degree, but he's never going to be better than Tom. I mean, even if he is, I'll never say that because I love Tom.

But I'm just saying the way he can extend plays, that's what makes the Kansas City Chief so good. He's about to be sacked, and he just rolls out, spins off a defender, and then he throws a Travis Kelsey or Tyreek Hill when he had him, or a no-name seventh rounder like you, Julian, once again, making that seventh rounder famous like Tom did with you. Yeah.

Yeah. So it's like making Travis Kelsey famous like Tom. Brady made myself Yeah. Yeah. So it's like making Travis Kaliske famous like Tom. Brady made myself famous, throwing the balls to me. That's what these quarterbacks are great, because they're making us famous as well. Making us money. So what were you going to say? What were you going to say?

I don't know. Good. I forgot what I was going to say. It's also pretty cool that he has, like like in our situation, we never really had an offensive minded head coach and we never really got to see the tandem of head coach with offensive or with with quarterback. You know, like I think his relationship with Andy Reid is something really special as well. I think they can they can they can finish each other's sentences. Now Brady and Belichick could do that too, but I think when they finish each other's sentences. Now, Brady and Belichick could do that too,

but I think when they finish each other's sentences, there's like a twinkle in their eye. You know, like, it's kind of like. It's like, I'm the one who finishes the sentence. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you see? Yeah. No, but it just, I think, you know,

for as much as the public is getting sick of the Kansas City Chiefs, it's guys like Patrick Mahomes. They got some really cool dudes at the top of that organization. Even Triv, man, he's a really cool dude. Definitely. Like, where you don't mind rooting for him. You know, they're great.

And I'm rooting for the greatness to see it. I mean, not crazy. All right, back to the scouting report. I have a couple more, you know mean, not crazy. Back to the scouting report. I have a couple more X factors on that scouting report. He has awesome vision, obviously. He's creative. He's unflappable. You know what that is, Jules?

What is that? You know, like he just can't be tackled. He can't be stopped. Slippery. Yeah, he's slippery. There it is. He's slippery. Slippery and wet.

Shout out Bon Jovi. Kind of like Kamara, but as a quarterback. Kamara is slippery when he goes through that hole, like no one can get him and he just falls off of every tackle. Twinkle toe. He makes off schedule plays as well, which that's why the Kansas City Chiefs are so great

and they have a chance in every game because of those off schedule plays. When you're supposed to be sacked, it turns into a 30 yard bomb. He's even keel. He's never too high and he's never too low. Which that's how you need to be in the NFL. Cause the NFL has so many highs and so many lows. And if you can stay in the middle, that's a talent right there itself.

Even when he's doing the whole, uh, yeah. The one thing that it fucking cracks me up when he does is when there's a penalty or something and he'll, he'll, he'll, he'll stick his little head in the, uh, the referee fucking to huddle. It'd be like, Oh, and he does that little, that little fucking head wave. Oh, it's on them. It's on them. It's on them.

I get so mad when he does that. I don't know why. I know it's not on them, but he's kind of like, he's come cool. It's on us. It's on us. It's on us. It's on us. It's on us. He's like calm cool thing that you were saying.

Go ahead. And most importantly, he's durable. Durable. And if he's hurt, he still goes out there and he performs. He, what, in the playoffs, he had like the high ankle spring. He played insane. He just came right back out and just kept throwing bombs still. So a Super Bowl.

That's what makes a quarterback a quarterback, is when you're injured, you know, an elite quarterback, an elite quarterback, is when you're beat, you know, an elite quarterback and elite quarterback is when you're beat up Still you're still going out there and that's why this guy reminds me of Tom a lot Yeah A lot cuz Tom hey, he would go out there no matter what the situation was where if however, he was banged up He would still perform and go out there and play too. So many injuries No one knows about that Tom played through because that's how good he was and that's what Patrick my homes does he

Adjust his game when he's hurt Remember like with that the high ankle sprain. What was that? Um, oh that was their last two Super Bowls ago. It was the first one where you had the high ankles rain balls ago and I was sitting there like this could be really bad and he had that really big run He had a really big third down run that was like that sealed the game I think I'm coming off off memory and I was sitting there like man That's what competitors do they don't talk, you know, he didn't make it loud about his ankle But when it was freaking nut-cutting time the dude went out and he was an assassin, made the play.

He always makes the play when his team needs him to make the play. And that's why he's considered the best quarterback in the league right now. Well, I mean, he's clutching big moments. There's no doubt about that. I mean, I don't think the Kansas city chiefs didn't have my homes. They want to have, you know, one in these situations that they've been winning in. I mean, the guy comes through every single time they need a big play. And when the game is close, he manages to score or put them, you know, the

offense and field goal position. So them buck or can just go out there and just kick a 70 yarder right through the middle and just win the game every time. And it's crazy. It's crazy. It's a lot of their team is like very similar to ours. Very similar in all ways, if you really think about it. Great kicker. Yes. Best quarterback in the league. And then a lot of great tight, best tight end in the league.

Yes. And you know, Travis kind of having, he's getting a lot of the eyes right now, his production's down, but then they always have some other guy. You know what I mean? Some other guy as well. The defense is strong.

Chris Jones on the defensive side is kind of like Devin McCordy and Dante Hightower. They're very, very similar. And then obviously Coach Belichick, Coach Andy Reed, very similar coaches. And you want to know where they're very similar as well from what I've heard is they practice hard. Practice hard.

They practice hard. And in New England, we practice hard. Practice hard. They practice hard and in New England, we practice hard. It made games easier if you were recovered for the game. If you were recovered for the game. I already made the game suck if you weren't recovered for the game. There was one time where he didn't come in clutch. When was that Jules? Was that when there was a Superbowl in Tampa Bay that you were playing in? Yeah, but you know, it was just an overall domination of the whole team.

Yeah, yeah. They were missing those linemen. Yeah, they're missing the linemen and we just dominated, you know, the whole entire game. We dominated the offense, the offense side of the ball. We had a great game plan going in everyone. We had a script of like 80 plays and literally reran like all 80 of those plays to the exact T that we wanted to. It went literally from practice and translated right into the game. Uh, and we were just checking, Mark, checking off like every play that we ran and then we go to the next and every play was working. And on top of our defense was ready. We even got blown out versus them in the regular season. I think that was our last regular

season loss too and before we went on that you know eight game winning streak but uh yeah the defense we we just scouted them like like it was nothing dude. We were on my homes big time but it really wasn't Mahomes' fault. It was just a domination just overall as our team dominated their whole team in every aspect of the game. So Mahomes really didn't have a chance to, you know, perform like Mahomes. Yeah. Yeah. That's that. That was a that was a great game. That really was. And then on top of it, man, what about the freaking AFC championship game? That's another time, you know, no, when we face my homes and AFC champions, man, I mean,

I'm the best AFC championship game of all time, I believe. And it was our time to shine as well. And it was always, you know, a doubt, Hey, can the new England Patriots go on the road and win a super bowl? We never did before. We never done that before. And that solidified us to be the dynasty of all dynasties. Because we went into Arrowhead 2018. The Chiefs were the number one seed. Sexy team. They were electric.

And let me tell you, Mahomes didn't disappoint in this game. No, he didn't. The reason why Mahomes lost is because he didn't have a chance in the playoffs, in the, not the playoffs, in overtime, the touch the ball, because we got the ball first and we went right down the field and score. On the field. I watched that game just now in Dallas with my nephew. He put the game on the last five minutes of the game. Let me tell you,

my blood was, my heart was racing. My blood pressure was up cause it was one of the best games I've ever seen. I haven't ever rewatched it either. And Jules, man, you came through in the clutch, boy. So did you. No. Yeah, I did too. But no, let me tell you, third and 10. We did that a lot. The game's over. We're down by four. Oh, Rob, you know, just chip blocking the DN,

giving Tom extra time. Tony Romo in the booth. Now, expect Julian Edelman to go up, you know, like he's running it under, then to go up like he's going deep, and then to run across, or Tom Brady will hit him. It's third and 10, that's gonna be the play. Boom, what happened?

You go right across the middle on an over route. Boom. First, third and 10 again, Tony Roma expect Julian across the middle. Uh, Tom Brady is going to hit him. Expect Gronk to chip. Give Tom more time. Boom. Hit Julian up the fricking middle once again for another first down. And then Tony Roma again. Well, this time Gronk is spread out. Why? Let's see what he can do. It's third and it's pretty on it. Guess what? He just has to go to Gronk. It's one-on-one coverage. He's not going to look anywhere else. What happens? Whoop, fade route.

First and 10 baby. Let's go baby. You came through clutch so much. You had a heck of a playoff run that that year as well. That was a fun year. And that was kind of the passion of the torch for, for Tom to, to my homes, you know, it was kind of like, for at least that matchup, Tom played him again in Tampa, but like that was like a different one because that was like,

that was the road to the AFC championship was always through us. And it went to them, Tom had to say right before he left the conference, say buddy, it was a hell of a run. You'll always remember me. You'll always remember you didn't win when I was here. And as soon as Tom left that little motherfucker, he's been winning the balls ever since.

So Patrick Mahomes, what kind of time? We went way over. It's Patrick Mahomes. You go over first. Oh my gosh, we're at 20 minutes? Oh my gosh, I felt like 10 minutes. The guy has won as a starter from the very beginning. He's a fucking-

Guys, no losing seasons. He's on pace to be the best. We're only supposed to talk about him for 10 minutes, but it's been like 20 minutes, but we could talk about him at homes for the next two hours. Three really wanted to just so many crucial situations. So many situations he's been in where he has come back and just made magic happen. He should be right here one day and we should have a beer with him.

That's the kind of guy he is. Yeah. But we got to get to this. What kind of dude, you know, is Patrick my homes? I kind of feel like we kind of went over it and already hit it, but is he a stud? Is he a freak? Is he a dog? Is he a whiz?

Is he a dudes dude? I mean, I feel like he represents in, you know, all these categories, but what is he? What one does he most exemplify? I think two right now that are coming to, three are coming to me right now. Freak, dog, and dudes dude. Freak, dog, and dude's dude. Freak, dog, and dude's dude.

I mean, the guy's a wizard though. And he's a wizard and he's wizard. Basically recreated the offense because of him. He basically recreated how you draft a quarterback. But what I'm really thinking, I'm definitely gonna go with one of the three that you hit. Maybe Patrick Mahomes deserves two of them because he's just that good, but we can't do that. Can't break the form for no one. It was so great.

He's a, he is a freak and he's a freak with a dad bod, but that's the advantage is that a quarterback, here's my big take on quarterbacks is if you're jacked, you're going to only have like three years in the NFL. If you're coming out in your jacked, coming out of college. I'm not even gonna bring up any names, but I can name so many that these quarterbacks are jacked, they can bench so

much that your arm's gonna fall off because you're too tight after three years. That's why this guy is so great, cause he has a dad bod And when you have a dad bod, you're looser than fricking. He's a fucking dog. I'll lose cannon. Yeah. He is a dog. He is a dog, but he's a freak dog.

Yeah. He is. So can he be a freak? Freaky dog? Or is he just a whiz? He just clutch. Nah, he's more than a whiz though. He's ways is like someone that's really smart. keeps them in the league longer because they're not a freak

You so you can't give them like a whiz you can't give them whiz. No, but I think he's a dog He is a dog because it freaked out mental physical toughness always motivated Relentless there's so many freaking there's so many third downs that we don't even talk about that he converted when his team needed it, that like made a drive more, or that took an offense off the field, or kept an offense off,

there's so many of those situations that, he's a fucking dog, he's an assassin, he will murder your team. All right, Jules, like I said, we can talk about them for the next three hours. We got to put them in the category of a freak or a dog. What is he? All right. You got three seconds to decide. Freak. He's a freak. He is a freak. There's only one Patrick. He's a freak. I know that the little kid out in Nebraska, he got the shades, the haircut,

the same damn walking, clapping stuff. There's only one of those. He's inspiring. He is, man. He's a freak. Freak of nature. All right. Stamp it.

Stamp. On to the next. Start the time. All right, here we go. Here's the synopsis. I can give you a clue. He wears number 12. Oh, good clue.

Yeah. All right. At six foot one, 185 pounds. He's one of college football's most electrifying talents. Oh, college college football player. First college football player. Now we talking. I was waiting for this day. I was waiting for this day.

I was too. You know, this is a Christmas present early Christmas present here We got for all the conica come early ends out there eight crazy nice I knew that initially a top five recruit committed to a power five school He made waves by committing to an HBCU program now playing in the big 12 He's making highlights on both sides of the ball week in and week out a Florida native He has a he was a two sport athlete, excellent in both football and basketball in high school.

Off the field, he's a gamer and content creator with a massive social media following. Jules, who is our first college player wearing number 12? Let's get on Travis Hunter. Ooh. Man. All right, all right. I'm excited about this. I'm excited, too, man.

Not just because we have our first college football player, but we have the biggest college football player in all of college, possibly a Heisman Trophy winner. He's a two way player, one of the best wide receivers in the game, but also one of the best defensive backs in the game. When was the last time we've even seen a player play both ways? Not just in the NFL ranks, but we're talking just even in the college ranks. Well, I don't think anyone's played like this.

I don't I don't think any I don't think so either. He's averaging 114 plays per game. That's that's fucking gnarly. I remember when we played in the game, you didn't play in that 16 Super Bowl when we had three receivers We had a hundred and like two plays and we were fucking exhausted gas Exhausted and this guy plays a hundred and fourteen plays hundred fourteen plays average a game Which is that's that's that's crazy to me. But also

He's like he's like that first gen, he's like, we're starting to get a lot of these new guys. These are the first generation guys of going from like one school to another school. I mean, I believe he committed to Florida State and then Deion didn't get the job. And then he went to Jackson State and then went from Jackson State,

went to the Big 12 to Colorado with Coach Prime. Like this is this new generation of like a free agent type player. And I don't blame them. Why wouldn't you go with one of the most electrifying athletes that did it where you want to go in the national football league with Deion Sanders, who's going to help you develop to what you ultimately want to do and become a pro. I mean, it's been so impressive to watch this kid play well said and you can't blame the kid at all going where Deon

Sanders goes because it's all about relationships in life if you have a good relationship Why would you want to break that relationship? You know relationships go far if it's a long-distance relationship or if it's a relationship you can go somewhere with someone So you got to give him much respect that he's loyal. Dion and Travis Hunter are loyal to each other and each other's family. And you got to appreciate that because you don't see loyalty, you know, like that anymore in the, in the United States, all with all this social media, everyone's usually out there for themselves, but to see that loyalty is something special.

And that's why it's working. And that's why he's, you know Deon's creating a powerhouse just within Travis Hunter and then also a powerhouse of a program at Colorado because they're loyal to each other there and I like that man I like it a lot. Now what do you think he's better at receiver or DB? Oh man that's a tough question and what's he gonna do there's another question as well what's he gonna do when he gets to the NFL he's gonna What's he going to do when he gets to the NFL? He's going to play both. Is he going to pick a wide receiver? Is he going to pick a corner?

I mean, we can all throw our perspectives in. But I mean, it's always obviously up to what he wants to do and what's best for the team or whatever way he wants to go, whatever which way and direction. But in college, I would say his first couple of years, he was a better quarterback, but a corner better cornerback. Yeah, he was making plays, interceptions. He kind of was doing well at the wide receiver position, running by guys.

But lately now, since Colorado has taken off, they're top 20 now, they're winning games. And I would say that has to do with Travis Hunter stepping it up at the wide receiver position. And from what I'm seeing, he is a better wide receiver now than he is a cornerback. This year, his third year in the college ranks, I thought he was a better cornerback his first two years

than being a wide receiver. But what he's doing now is special at that wide receiver position. He's starting to understand it more, I feel like. He's running routes now. He's not just more athletic than the other guy. He's going up there, he's pinpointing the ball, jumping over two guys.

Strong hands, that's exactly what you need at the next level as well. And it's just fun to see him go, man. And you wanna know what makes him so fast? You wanna know what makes him so fast? Is he got skinny calves, man. As Deion Sanders always said, you never seen a racehorse with calves. you never seen a racehorse with calves.

You never seen a racehorse with calves. I remember Dion said that once somewhere. I could be fully wrong, but I feel like that's, I had big calves, so I wasn't a fast, fast guy. Look at my legs, man. Change of direction calves. I got way too big of legs, man. No, the thighs, bro.

It's not the thigh. It's the calves. You look at his thighs, he's got big thighs, but when you have those little bird calves that come up to here. Dang. You know what I'm talking about? That little, it's not the thigh. You look at his thighs, he's got big thighs, but when you have those little bird calves that come up to here, you know what I'm talking about? That little, it's like a little bird calf. Like you think, that's a speed guy. You think if I get liposuction in my calves,

I can make it back to the NFL? No, but if you get a calf implant, you'd look really cool. That was a good answer, Jules. I like that, way better. Is he gonna win the Heisman? I mean, you gotta play out the whole year to. Is he gonna win the Heisman? I mean, you gotta play out the whole year to see if he should win the Heisman or not. And I truly don't even know anyone else

that's in Heisman contention. Yeah. That's half of it, right? Media. Yeah, half of it is media. I think he should because it's unbelievable what he's doing on both sides of the ball. And what's so great about him as a defensive back too,

he's always around the ball. I mean, he's making interceptions off tip balls. He's making interceptions because he's gonna go make the play and go and deserve that interception. But when you fall into an interception, that's just because you're always around the ball and you have that knack of just always wanting to be around the football.

That's just a smart player right there, man. He's a really, he's an exceptional zone corner. I haven't seen a lot of man, and I haven't watched a whole, whole lot. I mean, I watched a lot of his highlights for this, and I've seen all his highlights, but like his instinct to jump off of his zone, to track another zone,

and reading the quarterback is really good. Like he's always like a trapped zone defender like he'll he'll keep his eyes in the backfield. Trapped meaning he's got the flat, there's a guy inside of him and there's a too deep safety. Like he'll keep his eyes on that backfield and he's breaking on the ball before the receiver is because he knows you know probably the receivers responsibility which I remember when I played defense, it made me a better receiver,

you know, when they brought me into those meetings. That's what I did want to ask you as well. What was it like playing defense and offense? Actually, you did it in the NFL ranks as well. That was what, year 2011? So you can explain more of what Travis Hunter is doing than anyone else. Well, it's, as a player, it made me a better receiver,

because once I stepped into all the defensive back meetings, I was learning what they were protecting. I was learning their techniques. I was learning on certain things what they would try to do with safeties. That's really what mattered. The corners could lie, but if the try to do with safeties, that that's really what mattered. The corners could lie, but if the safeties were out of position,

that's when you would pay the leverage that the defensive back always had to keep because he was protected with certain help on certain sides. Like that taught me as a receiver, like in my route running, that if I do this to this guy, I know he's protecting this, which I see it in his game when he's playing defense when he's jumping all over these these these The receivers leave into his zone So it's really hard mentally like that's what I'm interested to see how he does in the NFL because once you get to the league

You know, there's no, you know Rice Academy get to the league, you know, there's no, you know, Rice Academy, agricultural school where you could just go and glove up their their best receiver who's, you know, he's good in college while having to study, you know, the game plan for offense, which, you know, in the NFC or AFC Championship, I played like 25 plays on offense, I played 25 plays on defense. I played all the special teams, something along those lines. Could be off a couple of plays here or there. But it was so hard for me in the prep week to get all my mind ready for what

my offensive needs were and then also for what my defensive needs and my responsibilities were. It was a lot mentally. And then, you know, practice, practice, you're going the whole time. And in NFL, it's 17 game season. So, you know, it's been really impressive to watch him doing in college. I don't know what he's gonna do in a pro.

I'm probably pretty sure if I was him, I'd go defense because those corners get paid a lot of money. And then they probably give you a package on offense. Here are their red area, or a third down package, or a gimmick package, where we need to get some spark, you get him in a slip screen, or he can catch the ball down the sideline. That's well said, though.

I believe that he could possibly play both ways in the NFL, but not full time both ways. Like you said, have a package for him on offense, in the red zone or or third down or whatever it is or whatever best suits his skill set at the wide receiver position and then use him full time on the defensive side of the ball. But I would say it's up to Travis Hunter, obviously what he wants to do in the NFL. I mean, coming out of high school, I was an all state defense event. I only had eight catches as a tight end, you

know, coming out, coming out, you know, going into the college ranks. But the whole time I knew I wanted to play the tight end position. But if you were a fan out there, you'd be like, wait, wait a second. You were all state DN. Why are you going, you know, to college? Because I knew that best suited me. I knew that I had the best chance of making it to the NFL because I felt like I was a tight end and I felt like I could grow at that position and be the best out there.

So it's all up to him. It's all up to his mindset, what he thinks best suits him. And only Travis Hunter can determine what side of the ball he wants to play. But he's so good in my eyes. So it'd be really, really tough to play a full NFL game on both sides, but he's so good. He's good at both positions where he could be in packages on both sides. You could be an impactful player on both sides, but he's so good. He's good at both positions where he could be in packages on both sides of the ball. You could be an impactful player on both sides of the ball.

He may. Yeah. Probably special team or two. Oh, he return kicks. He's also making three million dollars a year right now in college. So he ain't no rush. Man, what would you do with that money if you had that in college? Jules. Million bucks, bro. I I would probably have at that time of my life, I'd have the sickest

like surround sound sound big screen TV I'd have the dopest like Xbox stuff. I'd have a gamer chair because when you're in college, that's what you did You play video game. I'd have a sick poker. We used to play a lot of poker in college I'd buy like a sick custom poker table for like a poker night Talking obviously you're gonna you're I, we you roll up to George's fucking student parking lot. You see nothing but Lamborghini. So I think I'd have to join the club, get a Lambo or something.

I mean, you're a college kid. You got no fucking fears of anything. I call those Lambo shit boxes. Well, you want to know why? Because I can't fit in. My knees are going. What would you do with shield? I would have't fit in. My knees are going through the windshield. I would have a freaking F-150 Raptor or something. I know what you would do.

Instead of a Lambo. I would have the Lambo of the four trucks. I don't really like them either, but I just probably. I just can't fit in them. I'd probably get a Lambo. That's why I say that. It's three million bucks.

You probably couldn't get a Lambo, actually. What would you do? If you were in college, this is what I think college Rob would do. Oh, let's hear it. I like this. Would you just buy an Olympic sized pool, make it a hot tub?

There we go. There you go. You're hitting me right on the money, Jules. Also, no, I was a big Halo player, man. I love video games and Halo was our game in the house that we lived in and we played four way players on that, what was it? Xbox 360.

And we we had the four worst gaming chairs of all time. Falling apart like two wheels on the chair. But it was squeaking, ruining the ruining the floor every single time we were playing. But we didn't care as long as we got our halo in. And Halo gave you that excitement, gave you that juice as well before going out. So it was always a pregame game to play as well before hitting you know, hitting the town on a Friday night.

Well, I would have had the I would have had the best possible video game set up that you could possibly have if I was making that type of money. Hell yeah. College man, big time and time. Let's do it. It's time. What kind of dude is Travis Hunter? Man, he seems like a great team guy He seems like a great team guy. He is a great team guy, it seems. He doesn't seem selfish, he seems like he gets along with everyone. He has a great attitude, so he could be a dudes dude.

He could definitely be a dudes dude. You know, especially to the video gamers out there. Yeah. I mean, always streaming with everyone, always letting everyone have the inside of what's going on in his life. Which is really cool, man. And what's different about this era compared to our era is if you were a streamer or if you were big on social media at our time, it would be frowned upon.

Coaches would use that against you if you mess up on the field. But that's what this new generation, these new millennials, are all about. Gen Z. Hey, let's vlog. Let's blog. Let's play video games.

Let's, what is it, Twitch, and let everyone see our video game streaming going on. And that's totally normal, and that's how it should be because if you take care of business on the field, you can do whatever you want outside of football on your own time. But our era, it was always frowned upon because there was no such thing as social media.

Like, it was just starting to become big, so they would use every excuse if you messed up on the field. Oh, he's on Twitter, he's doing that video game. But it's cool that guys like him was just starting to become big so they would use every excuse if you messed up on the distraction Oh, he's on Twitter He's doing that video game But it's cool that guys like him are just so good at what he does on the field and it makes it totally normal that He's still a streamer and he's and he's kicking ass at that too. So that's really cool, you know So at Colorado they have the L or the D. They don't give a C

They don't give the captain logo. They give a leader or a dog. And he got the dog symbol, so he could be a dog. Because as Dion says, every dog and a leader and every leader ain't a dog. Ooh, ooh. I like it. That's real too. That's real.

I honestly don't see, I see him as a dog. Like we always say, guys are multiple things, That's real. I honestly don't see, I see him as a dog. Like we always say, guys are multiple things, but the one thing that sticks out to me, I wanna see if it sticks out to you on three. One, two, three. Stub. Freak.

Stamp it. Why is he a stud? I would say he's a stud because he's playing 144 plays a game. Well, that's freaky. Yeah, actually. All right, all right. You're right. That's freaky.

Right, right. He's a stud on the field because he's playing both ways. He's a stud on the field because he's a freak. Yeah. Let's change it, Jules. Let's change it. One, two, three. Freak! Freak!

Yes. I mean, it's pretty it's pretty insane. It's pretty insane to have 114 plays a game. I hope he continues to have the success. And by the time we drop this, maybe they'll be in the play. He's 100 percent a freak when you play 114 plays a game. You're just absolutely freak of freak of nature. And he's making plays on both sides of the ball.

I mean, yeah, that's studly, but that's more of like, whoa, that's like, whoa, that's some freakish material right there. No ands, ifs or buts about it. He's got some weird, crazy like numbers, records where like he's got over 500 yards. He's got like four interceptions, this, that. He's done it like three times and one person's ever done it It was like champ Bailey like 25 years ago

So like this guy's in a he's in a category of his own and to be that well conditioned That's that's what it is. You're a freak. You're a freak. You're an absolute freak if you're that Welly conditioned welly conditioned welly conditioned The most well he conditioned player in all football. Comes to my mind. What's the first thing that comes to your mind? Right now, what comes to your mind? Josh Allen. Rob Gronkowski version of quarterback.

Oh, I like that one, brother. Beast mode. Like he's beast mode. I'm a big Josh Allen fan. Big Josh Allen fan. We always used to call you beast mode and he gets into this beast mode where he takes over games with his size His speed his arm

You know, we all thought this year was a rebuild year for the Buffalo Bills. They are representing the AFC East in the championship game. Hold on before you keep going. There's no such thing. It's like Tom Brady being in New England. There's no such thing as a rebuild year when you have Tom Brady at the quarterback position. And now that's the same thing with Josh Allen. There is no such thing as a rebuild year

because Josh Allen is at the quarterback helm. And when he's at the quarterback helm, he's always going to find a way to win the games. And also they got head coach Sean McDermott as well. Tough guy. And he's there as well. There's no such thing as a rebuilding year in Buffalo anymore. They're always going to be contenders with those two. This could be one of his most impressive years.

It is because it's actually a year where they didn't, you know, they were saying, oh, there's not enough talent around him. He doesn't really have a wide receiver. He makes talent. Yeah, exactly. Look at Shakira. And they got they traded their star receiver digs over to Houston and just look how much Josh Allen is thriving this year. It's just truly showing how much knowledge he has of the game and how much intellectual he brings to the game as well and to that offense and just how skilled he really is. This is the year that he has taken it to a

whole nother. He takes it to a level, new level every year, and he took it to even another level this year. Jules, he's impressive. Have you ever met him? I met him real quick at Titan U in Nashville, the Titan University. He went. Yeah, he went. He was the quarterback. And let me tell you, it was amazing because I always kind of dreamed about playing for the Buffalo Bills because I'm a kid. It's like you dreaming for the Niners. Go 49. thought it you probably still think like how cool would that be if you almost went exactly. I almost went to Buffalo as well, but it just never really worked out. And we were talking about a hassle. We were talking at tight end you and he was throwing

me some passes up the scene, man. And he was just laying that ball right in. He got a zinger. And then he was trying to recruit me. He's like, come on, come on retirement, come to Buffalo. to Buffalo. You know, we would do big things. And I'm like, we would do big things and all that. But it just just never happened, man. I just was not, you know, all these quarterbacks trying to steal you. Yeah, they are. They are. Joe Burrow, Josh Allen. Hey, Jesus. Just in the end, it just, you know, I was just done with football. It just wasn't there anymore. but I would have loved to play with Josh Allen-Buffalo for at least one year. That's what was intriguing me when I was even talking to the Buffalo Bills. Yeah, Jules, so a couple big time quarterbacks have recruited me. Have any recruited you before?

Not really. I don't think so. Why not? Probably an asshole. No, actually, I don't know. You probably told them they sucked when you saw them. Yeah, you suck. I know how you get sometimes, Jules.

You're just so intense and you're so competitive and I love it so much. Oh yeah, well Brady did try to recruit me to Tampa. That doesn't count. But... He's been your quarterback your whole career. No, I came to him. Yeah, but you know what I mean. Came to him.

There's definitely been quarterbacks that try to recruit you to other places. Yeah, but it's different. You were like a, you're a phenomenon. You're like John Travolta in that movie where he gets struck by lightning and all of a sudden he can speak fucking Portuguese and Spanish. That's you. I'm like just a... Hola! Me llamo Abatavo. Obrigado. Yo, we go al fútbol americano. Yeah, me llamo Abatau. Ayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayay Allen started breaking out as a quarterback that he is now. Dable brings the best out of players.

You know, Dable as a head coach, they're struggling over there in New York, you know? But put all that aside, because being a head coach is totally different than being a position coach and being an offensive coordinator, because you're truly working with that guy every single day, just like Dable worked with me every single day, and he brings the best out of you.

He knows how to motivate you. And I feel like Josh Allen was struggling his first couple years in Buffalo and he just needed that guy to be around him to build up his confidence in the show him you know the ins and outs of the quarterback position and I truly believe that Dable was the guy that got Josh Allen over the hump to be the quarterback that he is now. And now Josh Allen, since he was coached on him, gave him all that confidence. Dable doesn't need to be there anymore because now he has it and it's established into him and it's, and it's in him now. So he can be that, be that guy that Buffalo needs. He's

the Buffalo savior. They call him the winter general, I think over there because it's, it's, it's, it's cold. It's the winter soldier. They, the general soldier, winter soldier, winter general, all those names. They love Josh. And they don't call him J a 17. Do they? Nah, they don't call him J.

You can't do that. Winter soldier is pretty cool though. But he had billed for life. I think, I think he's a bill for, he, he's a bill for life. If anything, if he's not, he'll go to another team at end of his career. That's the only way that he would leave Buffalo. You're talking 10 years from now, one or two years left.

They draft the quarterback first round. They're grooming him for a little bit. And then Josh Allen leaves just to go try somewhere else out, like maybe California or something. That's the only way these type of quarterbacks leave their franchise. It's just at end of their career. But, Dable did an excellent job with him.

I feel like that's when he started thriving. Josh Allen always had that mentality to be great. He just needed to pull out of him. And I believe, I mean, I wasn't there, but I believe Dable did because he was my coach and he helped pull it out of me for years. So that's why I feel like, I may be wrong, but I feel like I'm right in this situation and Dable helped him out tremendously. Yeah, he reminds me, and his story reminds me a lot

of Ben Roethlisberger. Ben went to Miami of Ohio and came into the league, not a big name guy, but lit it up, and he's just a faster, like Big Ben when he was young was like manhandling guys. He was a large human being, and he's just a faster, like Big Ben when he was young was like manhandling guys. He was a large human being and that's what like I feel to a whole nother level because Josh can jump over you and he's got a lot more speed but Big Ben was like that

in one, two Super Bowls so hopefully Josh Allen can, you know, get over this hump and do something, you know, hopefully he can catch those demons in the back of his head about Patrick Mahomes, because Patrick owns them. Patrick owns them in the postseason, but I mean, it doesn't, I wouldn't really say own, because Josh Allen showed out for all those games as well. I mean, they both threw for over 300 yards in the division.

The 13 second game. Yeah, but that, the 13 second game wasn't on Josh Allen. Josh Allen went down and scored, and gave him only 30 seconds left. That was on the B second game. Yeah, but that the 13 second game wasn't on Josh Allen. Josh Allen went down and scored and gave him only 30 seconds left. That was on the Bills defense. McDermott? That was on the coaches staff there or whoever it was. It wasn't on Josh Allen.

He was winning. Were they winning at that time? Or was it just a tie game? I think they were winning. They were winning. And then it went into overtime or something. They kicked the field goal. But whatever the 13 seconds, I can't really recall everything that happened.

Josh Allen, absolutely balled out. Over 300 yards, three TDs, zero interceptions. So Patrick Mahomes really doesn't own Josh Allen. It's more like Patrick Mahomes just owns the Bills and the whole entire league still. Quarterback, you're the face of the team. You win, it's your praise, you lose. It's your praise.

What kind of dude is Josh Allen? What kind of dude is Josh Allen? I mean this dude, he's kind of freaky. I mean the way he hurtled over a linebacker when he was playing the Minnesota Vikings. He had to go to Juco though, he can't be a stud. Yeah, yeah, you're not a stud if you're in Juco. That's a good point.

You got some dog in there. You can kind of become a stud, but you're not fully, you're been, if you're a stud, you kind of been a stud your whole entire life. Your whole life. You get a stubbed sperm. Yeah. He's freaky a little bit.

He's definitely a dude's dude. He, oh, he really is. When we were at Titan University, he was cool with everyone, man. Everyone that I talked to in Buffalo, I can tell you every single person loves Josh Allen. Everyone that has ever interacted with him, anyone that's ever done a deal with him, he is beloved in Buffalo. All right, on three, what do you think he is? One, two, three,

Freak! All right, Nax, who we got, Jules? We've already talked about him a little bit. One of the greatest running backs of all time. Played for the other team that played on Thanksgiving, not America's team. It could be America's team now. It could played on Thanksgiving. Not America's team. A team. Be America's team now. It could be. Could could be America's team now. Yes. Up near Canada could be Canada's team. It could be America's upper states team. Yeah. Midwest. Those type of states.

So let's get on. Barry. Let's go. Let's go. Let's see what AI has to say about him. Barry Sanders at five foot eight and weighing 200 pounds played as a running back for the Detroit Lions. Howling from Wichita, Kansas, Sanders burst onto the scene at Oklahoma State University, where he set multiple records and won the Heisman Trophy in 1988. Drafted third overall in 1989, he became known for his electrifying agility,

elusive footwork and explosive speed, making him one of the most thrilling players in the league's history. He surprised many by retiring at the age of 31 in 1999. Is it that big of a surprise? I mean, I retired when I was 29 years old. Like he was in his 30s, but he must have been that good still. It surprised everybody. I mean, to put in perspective, he won offensive player the year 97.

He retired two years later over his career. He amassed 15,269 Russian yards and 99 touchdowns, earning 10 Pro Bowl selections. The 1997 MVP award and a place in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Jesus. Well, what is the first thing that you think of when you hear the name Barry Sanders, Jules? My childhood. If you made a crazy like cutback play or you made someone juke that you juke someone out of their jock or something, it was just like you were doing a Barry play.

Like that's Barry Sanders made Detroit relevant and like only went to the playoffs like twice or three times in his career. Instantly think of the plays where like he has four guys draping on him. Then he jukes like two guys and then a guy thinks he's down and thinks the plays over and he's still running on the other side. Barry Sanders was so electric. I think Barry Sanders would like he would be even crazier in this generation. That's how good he was. What do you think of when you think about Barry Sanders? I think about Ford, Ford vehicles.

I really do, man. And he was all the vehicles combined in one. I mean, that's actually not bad. Yeah, he was he was he wasn't the size of an expedition, but he played like he was an expedition. He was like an explorer that had like a V8 engine from one of the cars that they, you know, from the Ford Mustang. Yeah.

And he had like monster truck tires, like the big wheels, like from a Ford Raptor F 150. So this guy basically could do it all out of the backfield. I mean, he could, you know, catch a ball. Obviously he could run. He was so elusive. He made guys fall face first. You know, it's so imagine that being a defender.

You're a professional defender as a linebacker or a safety. And you go to tackle somebody and you totally miss and fall directly on your face. That's what Barry Sanders did to these folks. You know, I just want to I want you to describe Mary Sanders as like a Ford model, make color interior you to describe Barry Sanders as like a Ford model make color interior exterior engine like Barry Sanders What color car is he Barry Sanders would be? The grayish color white gray take a bullet like a silver bullet. Yeah. Yeah, I like that

Yeah, silver bullet, but like loved by everyone, you know grays's love by everyone. It really is. You can't hate on gray. What about what's the interior? The interior? It had to be something flashy. Why flashy? Because he was flashy on the field. So like a red. No, it would be it wouldn't be red. It'd be it would be blue. A blue lion's color. Blue leather.

Gray and blue. Do we got a sunroof? No sunroof. It's a coupe because we're dirty. We get down to business. We don't need a sunroof? No sunroof. It's a coupe because we're dirty. We get down to business. We don't need a sunroof. V8. Is it like a Shelby? And then we got Ford Raptor tires, but we also have they're also on like 22 inch rims so we can be, you know, run over a folk folk when we need to and we can just still get out when we needed to. Any race stripes? Just just one. Just one solid one that goes. What color is that race tribe as black?

What's the license plate number? Twenty twenty because he has twenty twenty vision as well. I want the football. This joker did have great vision. He probably had most elite vision in the history of the game. I want to see this car. We're going to have to make this car. Lion Prince, Lion Prince, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State mascot.

What is that? The guns? Yeah. Cowboys, cowboy guns. It's kind of badass. And I'm not even a car guy. And I just I just built my my first car ever. He's spec. Yeah. Three hundred twenty thousand dollars right there. Could that car win the Daytona?

One hundred percent is winning the Daytona 500 year in and year out. Every time, every single time. He didn't win a Super Bowl. What if he's just the fastest car on the on the block? But someone always and then you got me here. Then the car comes and they win the Super Bowl. He never won a Super Bowl. So, oh, man, you're right.

He's not winning the Daytona 500. He's getting second third place every single time. Or he's probably crashing like he's winning the race by like three laps. He's just had a bad. He had a it wasn't him that lost the race. He had a bad you know, when you go in for the pitstop, yeah, he had a bad crew around him every time it took like how long does it take in a pitstop usually in NASCAR? I mean, we're talking standard probably 38 seconds.

Yeah. OK. Well, it took his team like a minute twenty every single time. Minute. He just had a bad, you know, bad pit crew, bad pit crew, bad team around him. His measurables. This guy ran four, three or 44 inch vert. So, you know, Barry Sanders is dunking at five, eight and twenty seven reps at the bench. The one of the funniest quotes that I always think of when I think of Barry Sanders, I watched a documentary with his dad. They asked him, Mr. Sanders, who do you think the best

running backs of all time? He goes, yeah, Jim Brown, myself, and then my son. He would never give his son this number two spot behind Jim Brown. That's crazy. I love that was so tough on him. I love it. So I knew about that. Actually. You told me that before

we were going to talk about Barry Sanders. So what did I do? I went and called your dad. What he said, Frank Adelman. Frank Nuts, the Nutt House Papa, Frank himself. He ranked his, you know, top three slot receivers. Number one. This is why I love Frank. And this is when you know he truly loves you, Jules, because you're number one. And I don't argue with that And I don't argue with that. I don't argue with that.

You know, Frank's on top of his game. Number two, Wes Walker and number three, Dola. I don't know where he got Dola from at number three, but you got to admit. He's loyal to his son. He's loyal to his son's friends. Mm hmm. Oh, oh, he also ranked his top up his top three tight ends. Yeah, he ranked his top's friends. Mm hmm. Oh, he also ranked his top, his top three tight ends.

Yeah, he ranked his top tight ends. Yeah. He goes number three, Mark Bavaro. Mm hmm. Monster. I would say Mark Bavaro from just stories I've heard from players that played against him that he was the strongest tight end ever in history.

I've heard that too. Yes. Like he would take defensive as a linebackers and just lock them up right in the spot and not let them move. He was just that strong. His grip was through the roof, they said. And I'm talking like players that played against him were freaks of nature. And they said Mike Bavaro would dominate every single time. So what if you guys grabbed each other? Who?

Mike Bavaro would win. I don't know. He's stronger than me. OK, I don't think so. And then number two on my dad's list was Kelsey. And then one, of course, was Gronk. And I love you, Frank Nutz. You got you got a wonderful dad. Great dad. I like Addle Nutt House Papa, though.

And Addle Nutt House Papa. I like it. All right. What was what was Barry Sanders best turkey days? He was he had 10 games on Turkey Day, seven and three record. Winning record. Barry Sanders loved Thanksgiving. Second all time in Russian yards behind him, behind Emmett Smith, behind Emmett Smith is 210 carries on Thanksgiving Day for 931 yards. He just couldn't break that thousand yard mark on Thanksgiving.

That's tough. He should have came back just for that record right now. Just to say he had over a thousand yards on Thanksgiving. We're talking about moments in his career, but him retiring at such a young age, and he was like, I think he was a season away from being the all-time leader at his retiring date. He was like, if he would have played that last season, he would have beat the record, and he just walked away.

He didn't really care about the records. He just wanted to win. I think he got beat down from losing, you know, that he doesn't say that in any of his documentaries or all the, you know, you watch his interviews. But I mean, if you if you go out for a long time and you're dominating and you you're losing every year, that's got to take a toll. It shows kind of player he was. You know, he loved football as a game,

not for an individual statistic. I mean, there's always stories of Jerry Jones two, three years later, going to him and say, hey man, you sure you don't want to come play for the Cowboys or something? I've heard that a couple of times too. As a player, you want to always tough it out. You never want to show that you're weak.

The second you show that you're weak, you're kind of beat in the NFL. You got to always have that standard set, that bar set that nothing's going to take you down. And the second that you let that go and you let things take you down, you're not going to be able to perform. You're going to get outworked.

You're going to get ran over. The other guy's going to beat the crap out of you. So that mindset always has to be there. And if you get beat down, even though you look like the best player on the field, it's going to come back and haunt you out of you. So that mindset always has to be there. And if you get beat down, even though you look like the best player on the field, it's going to come back and haunt you in the end. I've been through that situation before. I bet you've been through it at the end of your career as well,

where you just kept taking beatings, injuries. You're trying to play through a knee, a forearm, whatever it is. And then finally you're like, man, I can't take this no more. And I feel like that's kind of what happened to Barry Sanders. I mean, yeah, he was the greatest of all time. One of them, he looked unbelievable out there on the field, but he was always losing, always taking a beating. You just don't know what these NFL guys

are going through at all times. You really don't. He still hasn't let anyone know why he retired. Like he kind of has. I mean, he was 1400 yards away from the all time rushing record that Emmett Smith went to then beat three or four years later. A couple of years later, he did talk about it a little bit when he retired

that the passion wasn't there for him anymore. If you don't have that passion, which can attribute to just always getting beat down, not winning, there's no reason to be out there on the football field. It's not good for the fans. It's not good for yourself. It's not good for the organization. He's just good for yourself. It's not good for the organization. He's just kind of basically said there was nothing left to really play for. And he didn't really see the Detroit Lions being a Super Bowl contender either. And if they were, the Lions were truly going to be a Super Bowl contender.

I feel like that would have gave him the passion, the influence that he needed to go back out there. And because that's all he truly doesn't have is a Super Bowl ring. Yeah. Do you remember when the passion left for you? I do. I mean, I was beat down. It was my last year. I mean, we won the Super Bowl when I was on the New England Patriots, when we beat the Rams. And I went into the playoffs knowing that I was going to retire.

I mean, this year, the pounding on my body, all the injuries were flaring up. I was running slow, especially the passion definitely decreases for the game of football when you start losing your skill set. Because it's not as fun anymore when you can't just run by someone or just throw someone around. It's not fun when you're the one getting thrown around and the guys on you like white on rice when you're trying to run a route. So it was like that year.

But I was just putting the team first and I knew, you know, I could come through in the times that I needed to come through for the team and we ended up putting into the Superbowl. So it couldn't have worked out any better, but winning that Superbowl, it was just kind of a relief that the game was over, but I got that passion back when I took a year off and then it kind of started fading away again, you know, my, my second year in Tampa, you know, that's when I knew that it was probably, you know, time to hang it up again.

Yeah, it's that's that's kind of how mine went down as well. When I was in practice and guys that I should be dominating were coming close to covering me, I was like, yeah, and it's I have to work way too hard and it hurts way too much. You're not doing it if we weren't winning at that time. It sucks. So I could, it's hard to be in pain while you're losing and have to go perform.

That's why I'm thankful for all the good times when we were in our mid-20s, Jules. Like when everything was just always feeling like. Clicking. Like just always feeling good. Yeah. You're just activated from head to toe. Just your running form was just always on point. It was like it was easy.

You're just felt like you're going through the motions, even though you're going full speed and running by people, man. Those were the days thankful for those days as a player. It's young, dumb and full. Yes. Yes. The best, the best days for you. Wake up and you can sprint 30 hundreds and without even warming up, without even warming up, go bop someone in the one on ones, take it to team, come lay the wood on

force down in the box. Move safety about Barry Sanders in college to a man. He was one of the best college football players to ever. He was fucking unreal. He college football players to ever. High as he was fucking unreal. He won the Heisman. Most Russian yards in a season over 2600 yards, I mean. And his dad hated Oklahoma State

because he was an Oklahoma suitors fan. I'm fucking I'm so infatuated with that story. That's that's why he'll never put his son in front of him. Yeah. Running back in the NFL. It's crazy.

But I think that's what drove Barry. He wanted his dad's satisfaction. Maybe his dad knew that. Dads always know us the best. The greatest fine fuel in the tiniest things, man. The tiniest things? What's that word I'm looking for? Tidious.

The tiniest. Tidious. The tiniest. But I like tiniest things, I just like what I said. That's why I was on my mind. I like that. Going to say the word, you know, the first part of it only because tedious where appropriate show. But Tidus is always on my mind for some reason.

Tidious is what the word I was really going for. Tidious. Tidious. So the greatest do was really going for. Tidious. So the greatest do find, you know, that motivation, for example, say if you just said something that I didn't like in the locker room that day and I would just go out in the field and I would be like, after this guy jewels, I'm going to make sure I'm open every single frickin play so he doesn't get a pass. So I can go back in the locker room and be like great day today you had jewels you had zero catches I had ten

just because you said something that was effed up to me in the morning that that's what I'm talking about just finding those tedious moments makes people great just finding that motivation for absolutely no reason that shouldn't even be motivation just so you can go out there and just drive yourself to another level. It's like coach saying something to you three days ago in a meeting that you don't like, and you're going to go out there and prove to him that he was wrong. Very, very sand, it was tedious.

Yes, he was. Hopefully we think he was. I never met Barry before. I never talked to him about this, but we're going, I mean, he's the greatest of all time. He had to find motivation somehow every single time. One of the great showdowns on Monday Night Football that I still remember was the Barry versus Emmett game.

We haven't done it on games of names. Need to do it on games of names, but it was week four of the 94th season. Monday Night Football, Cowboys hosted the Lions, and Detroit went up into Cowboy land. Jerry World, old Jerry World at that time, and won 2017 in overtime. And what a fucking duel. Listen to stat lines between the two best running backs in the league

in the primes of their career. Emmett Smith, 29 carries, 143 yards in a tug. Barry had out duel him with 40 carries 194 yards and one touchdown Epic battle between these freaking running backs that was like a playoff game intensity the closest you get to playoff intensity And it was because it was Emmett Smith versus fucking Barry Sanders. It was such a crazy match. You remember that game? Mm-hmm. They were really young though. I know You remember that game? They were really young, though. I know. I remember that game a little bit because I was a little bit older than me.

This was in 94. This is my first year of football. Yeah, I don't remember. This is my house. Five years old. I was eight years old. Like what made the Detroit Lions like not good during that era? Because they had Barry Sanders. What made them not good? Bad offensive line. Bad.

Like I like. No, not a good? Bad offensive line, bad coaching. Not a good defense at all. Did they have Moore? What was it? Berman Moore? What was the reason why they weren't good, Jules? You need a quarterback. No quarterback?

No quarterback. And they went through a lot of coaches, I think. And they got through a lot of coaches. I don't know. He deserved better. He deserved better. He's one of the one guys that deserved better. I mean, we're thankful for Barry.

100%. Everyone's thankful for Barry. Thanksgiving episode. He truly deserved better. So who's on the Mount Rushmore running back for four running backs? Top four of all time. Oh, man. I mean, you got to put those two in that category.

Jim Brown's got to be in there. Jim Brown. Then I'm going to go with Adrian Peterson as my fourth. What about Walter Payton? I know, but he's a little before your time. He is before my time. Yes. I don't I don't really know too much about Walter Payton. Marshawn Lynch is my Sean Lynch.

I mean, but is he great all the time? No, he's not. He's not. He's not on Mount Rushmore. Now, Mount Rushmore, he's one of the greatest known running backs of all time. I remember the best personalities of all time, too. Do you remember Bill always talking about Jim Brown and how like dominant he was? If we'd be talking, he'd hear us talking to locker room

about something, he goes, well, you guys didn't see Jim Brown. He's fucking dominant. Like he was just a man child. All old timers love Jim Brown. Like that's their guy. We didn't get to watch him in the flesh. So like you don't get to appreciate him, but you got to put him on there.

I think Barry's on there. Tomlinson, LT, LT. I mean, it's hard to do a Mount Rushmore running back. Marshall Falk. Oh, man. I show Falk was so good. I'm going to go this my Mount Rushmore. I'm going to go Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, Walter Payton.

Marshall Falk, Marshall Falk, being the fourth, because he's like that the tweener, the new generation running back, where this guy could catch 100 fucking balls and rush for a thousand yards in the same season, which I mean, he did. There was Bo Jackson, Thurman. He didn't have enough. Thurman Thomas was a monster. Earl Campbell, Eric Dickerson Slate would be mad at us.

Slate's dad blocked from Galsayers. He didn't even have a long career, though. There's so many man. It's tough to do a Mount Rushmore. Oh, yeah. Barry was behind Thurman Thomas at Oklahoma State. Oklahoma State had some running backs. How about that running back room in college? Thurman Thomas at Oklahoma State. Oklahoma State had some running backs. How about that running back room in college?

Thurman Thomas, fucking Barry Sanders. They went to Natty that year? How you not win the national championship with those two guys? The saddest stat of Barry's career though is that he only played in six playoff games. It is sad. That's crazy.

Everyone loves Barry Sanders. Everyone wanted to see his career just keep on going. 10 minutes. What kind of dude is Barry Sanders. Everyone wanted to see his career just keep on going. 10 minutes. What kind of dude is Barry Sanders? Freak. No one has ever, like, when you watch him move, no one's ever moved like Barry Sanders. Just so elusive.

And it's like a slinky out there. He's like a little slinky. Down the stairs, just boom, boom. And the slinky's just turning and flipping, which way and direction. Always on always on that always lands right back on You know in position right on his feet at the bottom of the stairs as Barry Sanders for you I mean, that's some freaky ability right there. I bet you use a crazy positive dude dudes dude, too I'm sure he was in the locker room. I bet you was super cool. He's probably like sweet feet

super quiet James James White, quiet, just professional. But he's also a fucking dog where he didn't have. I mean, he didn't have an offensive line for like half his career and he still had the numbers he had on three. You you state yours.

One, two, three dog. He's a freak man. Got to go freak. You got to go freak his physical ability of just being able to bend the way he bends and just the vision that he has. One on one instinct. He was not getting tackled.

People were falling head first into the ground like I said earlier. You just never seen it. He was making people look silly. Like they didn't belong out there. It was like Pop Warner when the guy is just that much better than everyone else and just running around the field and they could be all 11 guys in the field in front of him. He can make all 11 miss. That's freaky instincts right there.

Yeah. But when you see Barry Sanders in clothes, or do you look at him like me and I guess. No, you don't. But we're categorizing freak in that way. Only then is if how you see someone, he is a one of one. Exactly. One of ones are freaks. He was just a freak at a lower level of physical stature. He reminds me of the little race cars

on the electric tracks where he could just start, stop, start, stop, start, stop, hello fast. Guys, he's a freak. He's a freak. Let's go. We'll be right back after this quick break. What's up everyone? It's Greg Rosenthal and I'm teaming up with the king of spring, Daniel Jeremiah.

He requires me to say that we're going to be bringing you 40s and free agents. The only podcast you'll need this NFL draft season from DJ's mock drafts to my top one to one free agents will have it covered for you with all new episodes every Thursday, keeping you up to date as we head to the NFL draft. Listen to 40s and free agents on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This dude standing at six foot and weighing 234 pounds is a dynamic running back drafted

as a second overall pick in 2018. To a team that almost ruined his career and that he was smart enough to leave and that team was dumb enough to let him leave. Is that an AI? It says it. No it doesn't. It says it.

Oh wow. That was not me, you cannot blame that on me. It's what AI is saying. Geez, AI knows everything. They do. He quickly established himself as a dynamic player known for his explosive speed and versatility, amassing over 2,000 yards from scrimmage

in his rookie season and winning offensive rookie of the year. Throughout his six year career, he has earned three Pro Bowls. Born in the Bronx, he mainly grew up in Pennsylvania, playing high school football there and then committing to Penn State where he was a two time big 10 offensive player of the year

and was fourth in the Heisman voting in 2017. He considers himself the goat, no, of Connect Four. Oh. Of Connect Four. With Christian McCaffrey being the only person who has beaten him. four let's get into Quadzilla say quad

Barkley say quam Barkley Say quad Barkley say quad. Well, that's the first thing I think is his quads it's how big and beastly and filling they are. And, and just, just how massive and, and just explosive those quads are and how he can stomp on anyone and probably kill them. If, if he did, if he was in WWE, hold on, where's my hat? He was in WWE.

They probably wouldn't allow them. Cause you know, those leg drops they do, he would do the sock quad, Barkley leg drop, and it would be called the sock quad, boom, and he would drop his quad, and boom, the wrestler would be dead right on the spot. What's the first thing you think of, Jules? The first thing I think of is, man,

I can't believe I'm putting on a Philadelphia hat when it's Saquon Barclay. You're right, hold on. I can't put the Philly hat on. I can't. I did really quick, and then it bounced off my head. Woo! I mean my head. Whoa. I mean whatever No, but the thing is I I you always thought he would be a giant for the rest of his life and

Boy was that one giant loss? To lose Saquad Barkley, I mean and to see him go out and do what he's doing this year with a really good football team I mean, this is this is what you want for a guy like Saquon Barkley cuz he's just a good-ass dude I mean you look you're looking The last game of the year or in the playoffs the four-minute situation breaks a big run Stops down the whole teams like why didn't you score and he's over here as long as we win like that's the kind of guy Say quant is I've had some player team player I've got to hang

out with them at a whole bunch of cool things actually makes it even more surprising and more hurtful to the Giants fan base that he was such a team player as well and they still let him go still let him go mm-hmm I mean I who's calling the shots over there I think I I really don't want to blame Dable because I love Dable and he's like one of my favorite coaches of all time, but like he's the head coach, but like the head coach doesn't call the shots about who comes in and out as the players. I think you got to put it on the GM, correct?

It's kind of the owner as well. Cause the owner said he's going to not be able to sleep at night. If say, Kwan Barkley goes to the Philadelphia Eagles and then he goes to the Philadelphia Eagles. Well, so I'm not sleeping. You could have easily stepped in and offered about two, three million dollars more just to keep, you know, say Kwan Barkley on the New York Giants. So let me tell you for a second, this is, this is my problem. He left because there was an argument over like $500,000 or a million dollars. A million bucks.

A million bucks. What? What is he getting paid? $12 million? $12 million. Or whatever. $13 million. Whatever it is.

And the Giants offered him one less million dollars. Well, I can tell you this. He's still underpaid by at least $10 million. He is. And there was an argument about not paying him because of a million dollars with the Giants organization. You gotta really put it into perspective. Just think about that.

Yeah, he's literally catapulted this Philadelphia team. He's that good of a football player. He's had that, he had a magical year. He went over 2,000 yards, regardless of how many games, whatever, to go out there and put that performance on that he did this year coming from the rival team. This is like a Disney movie if they go and win the Super Bowl. If they win the Super Bowl, I think

Disney's probably going to. There's a Court Warner movie. So Disney will make a freaking this movie, I feel. I feel this movie, it's a movie. It shows how great of a player he really was because when he was with the Giants, he really had absolutely zero help. He had no line, there really wasn't any skill players

around him, he had no really- He still balled. No quarterback, and he still balled. He hurt his knee and then he came back and took him a year to get right, and then he had a really good year last year, like still bald. I'm talking ball. And now that it just shows if you really want to thrive, if you really want to

have the best year ever, it does take a team effort, but you just got to find that situation. He found that situation in Philly and now his talents are even thriving to a whole nother level because he has such a beastly line in front of him and he's got great coaching around him. He's got great players as well at the skill player at the skill position around him that's why he went for over 2,000 yards you know this season in just a regular season he's just a phenomenal athlete that should be MVP is is one of is one of the one of the athletes that you only

see once per decade once per per every 20 years. Generational player. Generational player, big time. Yeah, you ever hang out with him? I never hung out with Saquon Barkley, no I never have. I kinda want to, I just really wanna see his quads and person, bro. I just wanna, I hope he has like short shorts on, like he's in the 80s, so I can just stare at him.

I went to the Met Gala, and we ended up, it was me, him, and OBJ. We were all hanging out, because we were, you know, the athletes there, and we had a great time. But I saw, he was wearing a skirt. I would too, if I had those quads. And I saw those goddamn quads in that. I was like, holy shit, I had nightmares.

His quads were so goddamn big, and I saw the whole thing in like a skirt. A kilt. A kilt. Regardless, it looked like a skirt. But it was crazy. We had such a fun time. He's an awesome dude. And that's why I love seeing him have this success.

I remember we went, we were having some adult beverages and me and Odell, we'd been in a league for a while by that time. And we went out and got to McDonald's real quick. And he was like such a young kid, like, hey man, I don't eat McDonald's. You guys eat McDonald's? I was like, dude.

He's one of those guys, just McDonald's to the face and just. He wouldn't, no, he didn't want it. Oh, oh, oh, all right. He didn't want McDonald's. He didn't want it, all right, all right. And like, he was disciplined. That's what makes him great then. Me and Odell. Discipline makes you great. You're right. He was disciplined. That's what makes him great then.

Discipline. Discipline makes him great. You're eating double cheeseburgs. And also what makes you great is just the way that he plays the game. He's powerful. He has great pad level as well. It's like, he's like the perfect running back

because like he's got size. He's not like his skin. He's thick, but he's also really shifting. Catch the ball too. You know how hard that is to find a running back like that thick and shifty? He's, I mean, he's got great downfield vision as well. And as you can see this year,

right when he breaks through the hole, he already knows he's going to the house. You could just tell because of that vision, he can see the whole entire field. The cutback lanes that he creates are impressive. I mean, he's just an overall all around great running back. First, second, third down as well. Great work ethic, like you said,

kind of, you just know he has great work ethic by the workouts that you see that are on the internet. Also the discipline, not eating McDonald's at 2 a.m., even being tipsy and even with influences like you, the trying to get him to eat McDonald's, fell for it in a quick second. Not even a nugget. And not even a nugget, not even a McFlurry.

You kidding me? How can you not even have a spoonful of a McFlurry Not even a nugget. And not even a nugget, not even a McFlurry. You kidding me? How can you not even have a spoonful of a McFlurry at 2 a.m.? But what's most impressive about him and what really gets this offense to a whole nother level for the Philadelphia Eagles is his big playability. When you got big playability players on your team, that's why you're in championship games.

Yeah, and he's got he'll be remembered He'll be remembered for as long as football is going because we all see these historic plays and these historical shots him doing a back reverse Freaking lunge hurdle back reverse hurdle lunge thing over another human being that's a tall guy back reverse hurdle lunge. Doing the back hurdle lunge thing over another human being that's a tall guy, that's gonna be remembered and it's gonna be played forever. Just like when we see the Immaculate Reception

with Frank O'Harris or one of the crazy hits by freakin' Odell Beckham catch, all these crazy, that's gonna be remembered forever. And you wanna know what's crazy is like, you play Madden, it's a video game. Like it's exaggerated how talented these players are. No, not for Sequon. Exactly.

And like these moves that sometimes you can do when you hit all the buttons, like the guy does a move that you never seen before and you're like, ah, that's unrealistic. Sequon Barkley did such an unrealistic hurdle, 360, 180 jump and landed it, that Madden didn't even have that in the game. And that Madden had to add that play,

add that move or whatever it's called. What is that called? That's just athleticism. That athleticism or that button. So now you can be able to use that and hurdle over someone while 360ing in the air on Madden. I mean, I hope so. I think it madden added. They should just call it the button mash where you just mash

all the buttons and it doesn't say quam Barkley backflip jump thing over a hurdle. There we go. He's a button masher and masher and mashers defenders as well. Now, what do you think about? What do you think about him sitting for Eric Dickerson's record? He needed what a hundred and something I think it just shows what you were talking about earlier. Just how big of a team player he was He was looking at the big pitcher and that's Super Bowl

Yeah, he could have gotten the record But what if he just got hurt getting the record and then he wasn't there throughout the playoffs and look at the damage He already did in the playoffs the reason why they won that game Versus Los Angeles Rams was because he was playing in the game and he rushed for two touchdowns, both of them over 50 yards. And I think he went for like a hunt over 200 yards as well rushing. So it just shows what type of team player he is and just overall just the goal and mindset of winning it all. And that's what it's all about. This only this is only good if they win the Superbowl.

It is. If they don't win the Superbowl, this is a, But, this is crazy. I agree, but he can also break the all time record, including playoffs and regular season, which I think he will break that. I think he's about a hundred something yards away. What kind of dude is Saquon Barclay?

Oh, what kind of dude? St. Quad Barkley? Oh. What kind of dude? Oh man. I mean, grew up. What kind of dude is he? He grew up around like. Grew up in Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania, great football there.

Great high school football. Great football, you know that. Great hope. Yes. You know, born in the Bronx. Underrated. Tough, New York. Tough.

Went to Penn State. I think he has a lot of boxing in his background as well. A lot of boxing in his background as a lot of boxing in his background From what I recall reading. He's definitely got he's a dog He is a dog, but he kind of is a freak as well Because because like you said when he was wearing that kilt you were like, whoa Like that's that's what we talk about when you see a freak. It's because of their physical nature Like that's what we talk about. When you see a freak, it's because of their physical nature.

And you saw those quads. And you were like, that's some physical nature that blew your mind. It was mind blowing. It was kind of like the first time when I saw Dante Hightower's calves. Oh, freaky. You got some big ass calves.

Imagine if you combined, if you made one leg and you had Dante Hightower's calves and Saquon Bark Barclays quad. You would get like someone you would, I think that person. It'd be like the Hawk actually. I think that person could do, he could do a tug of war with the fucking like what's, whatever the best super diesel truck there is.

He can probably with those, that leg. F three 50. Definitely actually screw it. An 18 wheeler. And you can Actually screw it an 18 Wheeler. You could probably take down an 18 world Wheeler. He's definitely a dude's dude as well because. Because of how big of a team player he is. Team player, I mean to go and be the most hated guy

for a team and then join that team and then become such a big leader that it's apparent. And be beloved. You know we're all looking at. A whole locker room and fan base. But that story that you told me about when he was in the kill, that's just sticking to my head. So I know what I'm going with.

One, two, three, freak. Yeah, man, you see those legs? A person at 230 pounds is not supposed to do jump flips, back hurdles over men that are trying to kill you. Only when you got quads like that though, Dules. Quadzilla. University of Alabama. Another Alabama.

Roadtide, Crimson Tide. Currently plays for the Baltimore Ravens. Baltimore, freaking Ravens. Is currently in talks of winning the MVP. Probably offensive player of the year. They don't give that to running backs. Is currently going to be on the best rushing team statistically. Right. Statistically, statistically in NFL history with Lamar Jackson.

Are they on pace? They got it. They got to be on pace. Derek freaking number 22. Henry, the Baltimore Ravens. Let's get to the synopsis AI Derek Henry standing at six foot three inches and weighing 247 pounds is a dominant NFL running back Renowned for his rare combination of size speed and power making him one of the most feared rushers in the league He has amassed over 10,000 Russian yards and 98 touchdowns in his career, earning multiple Pro Bowl selections and the 2020 NFL Offensive Player of the Year award.

In high school, Derrick set the national record for career Russian yards with an astonishing 12,124 yards at Ulee High School in Florida, averaging 250 yards per game. At the University of read really fast because he has so many stats I want to make sure we get through it at the University of Alabama Henry won the Heisman Trophy and set both the single season and career rushing records I mean this guy breaks every record at whatever level he's at. I wonder what the pop Warner stats were Jesus We can't get there because it's just what take way AI's got it all though Yeah, while he spent most of his career with the Tennessee Titans setting the single season rushing records record with the Tennessee Titans setting the single season rushing records record with 2027 yards in 2020. He is currently, he beat Chris Johnson, two K with that, with that number right

there, he is currently setting impressive records with the Baltimore Ravens, including the team's franchise record and most Russian touchdowns in a single season already. And it's only like not even halfway through, you know, the season. Henry is celebrated for his work ethic and humble personality off the field where he is involved in charity work and is regarded as a role model. Start that clock. Start the clock.

First off, I want to get to this right off the point. His nickname is King Henry. There's a guy in basketball that we all know him, know him as is King James. Who is the ultimate King Jules King Henry or King James. Who is the ultimate King? Jules, King Henry or King James? Let's hear your thoughts. King Henry or King James? LeBron is a generational guy, but if you talk about King Henry, he's a generational guy.

This guy, 247 pounds running away from people. That is such a hard question. I didn't even know you were gonna ask me that. I'm going, I'm a football guy. I gotta go King, I gotta go King Henry. It sounds better. Is there, was there King James back in the day? It's probably King James back in the day, isn't it?

Is that why it's King? I just put that together. They both have kind of King-y names. They got both King-y names. I like King Henry. I'm both king names. I like Henry. I'm going King Henry just on name because it sounds. But there's a King James back there. I'm going Derek Henry.

All right. I like that pick. And what's incredible about, you know, Derek Henry is, you know, you said that size is just impressive and how he can move what? Two hundred forty seven pounds. But I swear he looks huge. He looks massive. He's 247, but I swear he plays and looks bigger than he even is.

100%. It's like he's 6'3", 247. It's like, no, no, no, no. He's like 6'6", 280 running the ball. That's what it looks like. I remember when we played against him, I walked by him after the game. Like who the fuck is his defensive end? Oh my God. That's Henry. That's Jesus. He's so big.

That's no, I wouldn't want to tackle him. No one wants to tackle him. I mean, screw it. They say at the end of the game, I'm not tackling them in the beginning of the game. Might get a concussion getting one of the knee drives. You got some. He looks like a goddamn semi truck that's on fucking NOS. He is a semi truck on NOS. Yes, that's right. That's what he is. He's a semi truck like when he sees that hole open, like he hits a button. He presses on the furious, like that.

Oh, baby baby go. Eleanor. And he just flies right through the hole. I think he was what so far he clicked in as the second fastest player as a ball carrier in the NFL this year. Recorded. Recorded. Second fastest player. I mean, frickin' ridiculous being that size. What I love about him too, man, he's a true role model, man. He never gets in trouble. Never. Never on the field. never off the field.

Kings don't. Is he in trouble? He doesn't smoke. He doesn't drink. He eats completely clean. He's basically on the Tom Brady diet. I think he's a vegan. While eating.

I think he's vegan. He might be vegan. I'm not sure about that. He possibly could be. I mean, no gluten, you know, he cuts the sugar down. It's all real sugar and fruits and all that good stuff. He takes care of his body.

Does the cryo tanks, sign us. He actually goes to the same treatment guy that I see as well. My friend Bobo, who's out of Nashville, he gets those vitamin bags and hydration bags to make sure that he's always good to go, you know, on top of his games. He's always burning fuel. So he's got to always make sure the vitamins of fuel are always coming in.

He's just doing everything right. And that's what I love about him. He's a great example to the young generation. Have you seen his offseason workouts on YouTube? Yeah, and I've actually worked out with him before. One time, one time in Dallas, Texas. Yes. Let me tell you, man, this guy don't get tired. He don't get tired. What do you guys do for a workout? And like I was with my brother,

my two brothers, and like we were just looking at his arms and like his arm was bigger than all three of our arms combined. That's why I don't understand how he doesn't weigh like 280 pounds. Like I weigh 260 and he's 12 pounds less than me. And I'm like, but your arms are three times the size of mine. Like I don't like I think he's tricking everyone. I think he really is two 80, but you know, and pop Warner when they don't let you play because you're overweight. Anyway, I don't think the NFL would let him play if he weighs in at two 80 at the running back position. So I think he literally is two 80 cause he's that big,

but they just list them as two 47. So he's actually qualified to play in the. All right, dude. Yeah. So you's actually qualified to play in the eye. Dude. Yeah. So you you're working out. What year was this? This was I think last year, about a year and a half ago. Two years ago. First thing you look at, you say, damn, his arm's so big.

And you're Ram Grunkowski. It's the first thing I said. I was memorized. And what's another thing about him, too? Like he's having this career year with the Baltimore Ravens. It looks like he has an age. Yeah. He has an age.

Cause like I said, he does everything right. And when you do everything right and take care of your body like that, you don't age, he hasn't lost a step and he's just getting faster and faster, bigger and bigger, he has that motivation still. Like he's 30 years old as a running back. He's taken so many shots to the body. And I feel like just, I just feel it. Like he has that chip because like,

I feel like the Tennessee Titans, you know, kind of didn't give him that respect that he deserved last year, you know? Like they were like, oh, we got to change up our offense. All we do is give the ball to Derrick Henry. Like they let Derrick Henry walk one of their best generational talents on the offense side give the ball to Derek Henry. Like they let Derek Henry walk one of their best general relational, generational talents on the offensive side of the ball in the history of the Titans and they let them walk that easily.

That kind of shows a little disrespect. I mean, it might've not been disrespect, but it just shows like they didn't really trust in him or thought his career was going down. So I think he's on a rampage to show the Titans. Hey, look what you're missing out on. You thought, oh, we got to switch up the offense because we're handing me the ball too much. Well, that's all the Tennessee Titans had was handing the ball to them.

Well, it's not just the Tennessee Titans that are part of his fuel. Everyone else could have signed them. Everyone else, the whole league could have signed. They all thought he was done. They all thought he was done. They need to run him. Everyone else could have signed him. Everyone else could have signed him too. The whole league could have signed him. They all thought he was done. Dallas Cowboys need a running back. They could have signed him. Oh man, we don't even got to get into that. I mean, that's been in the news for the

last month with Jerry Johns. But this is, you know, this is some like Tom Brady type stuff, you know, because at 31 at a running back, he's doing things that don't, that's not normal. This is not normal. And that's why this is so freaky. He doesn't eat sugars.

He doesn't do it. He takes care of his body. He doesn't eat any fried foods. He works out like crazy. He fries his defenses. He fries defenses. Well, when you were talking about chips, I was like, man, he, you know, he's a big chip on his shoulder.

He probably doesn't have any chips. I was thinking that cause those are fried. I was like, are fried. Oh man, he's not falling in into our Tostitos commercials. He sees the commercials like, oh, those are good commercials, Jules and Grandboy. I ain't eating those. No, he won't eat those. He didn't even do that. Maybe kale chips. Yeah, he probably does some kale chips.

247 pounds, 99 yard touchdown. That's crazy. I remember watching that play and what everyone always says with Derek Henry, when you're playing against him, I remember Bill always talking about it. You cannot let this man get going. Keep his feet moving. You gotta have pressure in the middle of the pocket.

If you let the train go, you ain't getting on it. And that's exactly what that 99 yard touchdown was where he stiffed armed the dude still gets to speed, gives a little back, a backwards stiff arm still gets to high speed is something like you said, you marvel at. When you see a person that does things that have never been done before. It's kind of like myself a little bit. And that's why I love, I love the way he plays. I mean, I love all big men out there, whatever position you love.

Big men. Yeah, I love big men. It's dudes on dudes here. Of course, I love big men. I like big guys. Yeah. Big sweaty men as well. And guys sweating because he's always running for 200 plus yards every single game. Every game he's on pace. Like damn near he's on pace to beat the record this year. He is. He has some of the greatest stiff arms in in the game you do to your stiff arm I had a couple but not as many as Derek Haney because he has touched the ball like a hundred

More times than than myself and he's still going that's crazy and he's still going it's like, you know He's 21 years old out there to the amount of times. He's touched the ball and he hasn't had like knock on wood He just has he can last. Where does he rank in all time running backs? Oh, man. He's got to be up there. He's got a 2000 yard season. He's got to be up there. The reason why he doesn't, you know, maybe get the respect,

you know, that he should have been like an all time great running back is because he's not a traditional running back like those other greats. They're all more like pity pattern. Make five guys miss and then she around was he's kind of Jim Brownie. Yeah, but he's just so Jim Brown was so much bigger and athletic than everyone. He used to swap those guys around. They're kind of these games a little bit different when he sees that hole. He just hits that NOS like you said, and just goes right through it, runs

over everyone, no one in his way. It's just incredible how he can do that. It was like a Dickerson. Yeah, because Dickerson in a way, high knees straight up a little bit. I think he could possibly end up being one of the greatest top three greatest running backs ever play all time, all time, because if he continues this path for another four or five more years,

which he has not shown. Any decline. Any decline at all. Any at all. He hasn't slowed down one single bit. He only gets better. And he's a different style of a running back. And he's going against littler defenses right now.

Yes he is. His defenses are all built up for the past. All bunch of receivers. I love his gang, cause he's a big man. I love big man, mans. Yeah. Barry Sanders, Walter Payton, Jim Brown, Emmett Smith, Adrian Peterson, Derek Henry?

I mean, he's this generation. Why not? He's great right now. Why not? He's our generation's great. The last great running back after this McCoy's in there Shady's in there But like I'm talking generational if he wins a championship. He's up there He was a Super Bowl this year if he wins a Super Bowl. I mean, it's it's so crazy that on this episode We've talked about Madden characters like you have your two like complete opposite Madden characters you have like when you make the funny little

guy on your Madden that's like 99 everything and then you get your like your funny big guy it's like six foot four running back like Derek Henry that can outrun people it's it's it's crazy these guys he's a freak you don't see guys that big run that fast and take that much pounding and get up and do it over and over and over. And I feel like we see a 50 plus run every year, every like three times a year with this guy. 50 plus run.

Wait three times a year, more like every other week. He has a 50 plus. Is it not crazy? Yeah, it's crazy. He's got a huge chest as well. Like like his arms are massive. But like, I swear, his chest, it looks like the rock, you know, when the rock has a shirt off and the chest goes like, oh, like.

It's that mass. He's jacked. He looks the exact same as he did, you know, in high school. He has the same frame, but like every year he just got bigger and wider and wider like he was it looked like he was 6-3 already in high school and just can run all day But he's just growing and growing and growing and growing every single year Vernon Davis He was staying like he was like that as a kid and he kept on getting bigger and bigger and his speed never got slower and slower like it's that's like

Anomaly shit. Mm-hmm. I mean he could be the greatest running back in high school history. Freshman year, 2,400 yards, 26 TDs. Sophomore year, 2,700 yards, 38 TDs. A little dip in the junior year with 2,600 yards and freaking 34 TDs. Just to top it off a senior year. Let me just put the cherry on the old top.

Let's go 40, 200 yards and 55. What the who is who is he playing? Who is he playing in? Fifty five years playing a game high school in Florida. They got some legit. They got legit as I do. Told do they have record? I didn't know they put things on records in high school.

That is fucking crazy. 12,000 yards in four years. This guy's been a freak since high school. 150 touchdowns in four years. Do the math. He's a hall of famer at the high school level, hall of famer at the college level, and a hall of famer at the NFL level. First Hall of Famer at the college level and a Hall of Famer at the NFL first ballot

Without it without a doubt. It's crazy time. What kind of dude is Derek Henry? He's a freak I don't even got a negotiate. It's it's I mean, he's a freak. He's a dog. He is a dog He's a freak, but he's absolute freak of nature heck of a player No one can tackle him. the guy was born to run Let's get on Michael Strahan. All right, ladies and gentlemen, let's do it Michael Strahan Let's see what the synopsis is about Michael. No Michael Strahan German episode Why is yeah, why why is Michael Strahan on the German episode? Why? I have to say about it. Well, let's start the clock.

Let's see. Let's see how smart AI is, why he is on this episode. I don't think AI would even know. I don't know. Why would AI? All right. Michael Strayhan was a dominant defensive end for the New York Giants, known for his impressive career stats, including 141.5 sacks and seven Pro Bowl selections. 141.5 sacks, seven Pro Bowl selections. Holy moly, 141 and a half sacks. Oh, nine. Wow. Born in Houston, Texas, he spent a significant part of his childhood in Germany due to his father's military service. There you go. That explains it right there. AI is smart. AI does have the answers.

AI is smart. After retiring from football, stray hand transist- After retiring from football, straight hand transition to a successful media career. Becoming a co-host on Good Morning America and an analyst on Fox

NFL Sunday. I mean, he replaced Regis. Off the field, he's known for his charismatic personality and dedication to his family. Yeah. He's full of shit. Why? Why would you say that? Didn't mention one thing about his gap. Oh yeah. You're right. His teeth. It's like he's like known world.

He's lit. That gap is literally been in space. Man, Michael Strahan is so cool. I mean, he really has been. A freaking inspiration. He's been a great inspiration. He's been cool I mean he really has been a freaking inspiration for athletes post career post like football career well hold on I'm gonna stop you right there he's been an inspiration since the beginning of time man with what he's been through growing up,

all the way through his college days, then getting to the NFL and fighting all odds, and then having that post-career inspiration. What is, he's an army brat, they call it right, when his dad was in the army, lived in Germany. His, I guess his uncle played in the NFL, Art Strayman. And I think he lived with Uncle Art. So he, Pop shipped him from Germany, is I guess his uncle played in the NFL, art straight. And I think he lived with Uncle Art.

So he, Pop shipped him from Germany. Then he went to Texas Southern. Texas Southern. Didn't play any high school. He played high school. He really is fresh, I mean, it's literally the story of Fresh Prince. Listen to this.

Except Philadelphia and Germany are strong. The high school he went to, two people. What do you mean, two people? There was two people in his high school, in his class. How do you have two people in Germany? Did he go to high school in Germany? No, he went to the high school in Texas somewhere. I just know the continued joke, week in and week out,

with Jay Glazer and Michael Strahan, is that Michael finished in top of his class. Because there's only two people. Even I could finished in top of his class, because there's only two people. Even I could finish in top of my class when there's just two people. That's what you call a valedictorian. If we were in a class of two, who would finish first? Depends what subject we're talking about.

Math. Oh, I'm number one there. Reading. Number one, I can read. I just can't project that. Cooking class. Oh, I'm a cooker, I can read. I just can't project that. Cooking class. Oh, I'm a cooker. I'm a cook.

I used to sing growing up. I'm a cooker. I'm a hooker. And I had no clue what I was really saying. And my brothers would be laughing at me, but I was like eight years old. I remember I'm cooking. I'm cooking.

And they would all know what. What were you cooking at eight years old? Eggs. Eggs, just breakfast sandwiches, stuff like that. Very easy. You think Michael Strahan would eat your eggs? He would eat my eggs. Yes, he would.

And then he would eat me on the field because he was a big absolute monster. When you put on his film, you forget how big he is because he's leaned out so much now. And like he he was like freakishly big. I mean, he had 22 and a half sacks in the season. That's a sack record holder. Yeah. Yeah. 22 and a half still. He fell down.

But I mean, regardless, that's what quarterbacks do all the time now. You know what I mean? So everyone gives him crap on it. I mean, he was going to get the tackle regardless. His power, his speed to power move was insane. He was just so strong and long. And you could tell he worked his dick off to end the career the way he did.

Beat the Patriots, undefeated season, in the Super Bowl, New York, Boston, then jump over and instantly sit on like Regis and Kelly. I think the guy has lived just a storybook storybook type life and he's overcome shit too. Yeah. So he has overcome stuff.

I mean, obviously not really playing football in high school. I don't know where he played at. And then I think some other high school around there just took them in like, Oh, you're in our district. It's like a story like that. I'm not exactly where he played at. And then I think some other high school around there just took him in like, Oh, you're in our district. It's like a story like that. I'm not exactly a hundred percent sure. And then he went, whatever college he went to, I don't know. Southern Texas. Southern. I don't even think he like really enrolled. It was like, Hey, come play football here. And he just showed up and he was on the team. Like that's kind of his story. Like for real. And then what he was drafted second round, I think, uh, by the New York giants. Yeah. What pick overall? He was the 40th overall pick second round

1993. That's mind blowing right there. 1993. That was the year he was drafted. Let me tell you, he does not seem that old at all. I feel like he's like, you know, 39, 40 years old to this day. He's still, he looks young. He's got the TV going. I, it does. It just, it doesn't, you don't age. You want to know what I really love about him is that he has no fear in anything he does, and that's what makes them so great on the field.

No fear against who he was against his opponent. It didn't matter who he's going against. He was going to bull rush him. He was going to do a move to get around him, swim around him or or absolutely take that tackle. I mean, I've seen some of his highlights and he's just like, I'm going to keep tossing you, buddy. Like, you know, I mean, he gave it. Let you know. And let you know. He would tell you he loved talking trash out on the field. He had a motor of a mouth.

He had a motor of an engine as a football player. No fear at all. And they had no fear in his after career goes on TV and he's just ready to go. He doesn't care. You know what what's thrown at him. He's just going to go with it full speed at all time. He works his tail off and he's he's really nice guy. Like, you know, we work with them He's a really nice guy. Like, you know, we work with them. And you could just tell it doesn't matter how big he is in the world. And he treats everyone like so nicely. Treats everyone the same.

Say everyone with respect. It doesn't matter what position you are in life. It's a lot with every your job title is. And I just love his story from A to Z. When he first got in the NFL, too, I don't even think he really registered a sack until like his fourth, fifth year in the NFL and maybe a couple sacks, but I know he didn't really turn onto the scene until about year four or five.

When you watch him and you had to block him, what would you do? I would have been the guy to just chip them. I would have just went in coach, man. This guy has a motor. He's huge, which he's a big guy already. I mean, I'm next to him on the desk, the Fox pregame show. But when I watch highlights of him,

I'm like, man, he's like three times the size that he is right now when he was playing. And he's big right now. And he's big right now, but his arms were massive. And like, he played like a guy that was like stockier and already had leverage because he was huge huge. He's like 6'5", 2'65", and he would get that leverage because he can play low. I got a math question for you. Yeah, let's hear it. I love math.

Between his NFL career and his media career, how many hours do you think Michael Strahan has been on TV? Oh my gosh, that's a math question that's over my head. Jules, how many hours is Michael Strahan been on TV? That's a fucking question. Well, and while here's the tricky party on in a game while you're playing the NFL,

you're not on the TV the whole game. No, but I mean, maybe like four minutes a game. No. All right. I would just say is you're on the TV longer than four minutes because he got you on I would just say. Because you're on the TV longer than four minutes because he got you on the sideline. Yeah. He was always.

He was getting so many sacks that they would keep the camera on him. I would say about a million minutes. A million minutes? A million minutes. How many years is that? A million minutes. A million minutes?

Can we ask chat GPT or something? A million. What does AI say? Minutes, I mean I said a million minutes. That's a million minutes. What else do we need to know a million minutes is a million minutes I'm telling you. I'm a mathematician. That's what it equals. What about what about his getoff? Let's talk about he's get off real quick I mean, that's what made him a special player is the ability of him to just burst right off the line and get to the quarterback And mess up the top of the tackle in a split second is what made him the great player that he is. And then he had to get off in his post career. He had to get off while he was playing football.

I mean, this guy is legendary. He's a role model in the community. Great dad. Great dad. Great family man. Great teammate to have. Great teammate. And it's a guy I feel like you would want on your team and not a guy you want to be playing against. Oh, yeah. You definitely don't want to play against him because he's going to whoop your ass and he'll let you know he's whooping your ass. You think Brett? Like a funny way.

Exactly. Exactly. He does do that. Yeah, he does do that. He's witty. He does that to me. He's very I don't notice, but I noticed, Michael, I know. It's what you're doing to me on Fox Sundays. You're coming at me, but you're so witty. You're pretending you're not. I got your game down, buddy. Oh, oh, but I got a question.

You think Brett Fire was just scared of him? So he kind of let him have that sack 100 percent. Who's not? Oh, hold on. Hold on. My shorts. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Jules. My shorts are just really short. There we go. There we go. I look better now. I look more professional. Yeah, there we go. There we go. And I look better now. I look more professional. Yeah, 100% pre far was I mean, did you see straight and he looks huge?

Who wouldn't be scared of him? Huge. Brett Favre. I mean, I would be scared of him. I was in the pocket and he got a free release at you. Like he beat his defender pretty easy on that play. He's the pro typical defensive end that you want on your team. Size, speed, get off, power, leg strength.

Gun the run. And pass, obviously. Could he cover? Did he ever drop? I saw it. Did he have any exceptions? I saw like one fumble return for a touchdown. Also, crazy fun fact about Stray.

Tallest guy ever to be in space. 6'5"? 6'5". I'm taller than him. So if I go to space, I'll be the tallest guy ever to be in space. Six-five? Six-five. Six-five? I'm taller than him, so if I go to space, I'll be the tallest guy, Jules. Are you gonna go to space? I'm always spacing out.

So yeah, I'm the tallest guy ever to go to space, Jules. So was he like weightless and everything? He got to do the whole, that's pretty crazy. Good thing he lost that plane weight because I don't think he would have been allowed up because he was really big back then. Like he would have been way too big for the spacecraft or whatever. Imagine his spacesuit. It's probably huge.

They probably need extra fabric. Man, would you go to space? I would love. I'd let him do it a few more times. I would go to space. We should do a show in space. If you go to space, I would go to space. We should do a show in space. If you go to space, I'll go to space. But like, I agree.

Let's like let's like have like let me get like 20 more people go on like the mission. Yeah. And then we would go like once we know it's really safe because we don't want this show to die. All our fans love this show, man. We can't we can't. We don't think but you never know. We can't have the show like just disappear like that.

No, it's on space. It could be called dudes on the spade who's on dudes in space Dude's based on dudes spacey dudes spacey on dudes mm-hmm Kevin spacey on dudes Space dudes oh man space dudes on dudes space dudes on dudes Mm-hmm all All right. Time. What kind of dude is Michael Strahan? He's a whiz man. I think he's a whiz. He has a lot of innovation, which he has.

He innovated the position, the defensive end position. He also innovated, you know, a career after football. It's kind of gave birth to you. He kind of gave birth to myself. He gave birth to many others out there because as a football player, as an NFL player, people think the pro typical thing out there that people think is, hey, that person can just play football. That person's just an athlete while he's the one that kind of broke that mold for us athletes and then having a better career after football.

And he had an unbelievable career, Hall of Fame career, and then having an extra Hall of Fame career, you know, post football. Gotta give it to him. You gotta be a wizard. You gotta have that innovation, and he sure does. But he's like definitely a dude's dude, because anytime you're at Fox, like he's always a fun dude to be around at work.

Yeah, he is a real fun dude to be around work. He's so witty, man, and he's on at all times. And if you watch his highlights as well on the football field, you know, I mean, he's just talking garbage at all times. He's always on. It's something that I admire me. I know that's always on at always on at that size too, because people that size, man, it

takes more to always be on. You're that size. Exactly. I'm that size. And he's always on. He's he has a gift, man. He was born with a gift. There's no doubt about it.

And he was a freak of nature on the field too. So he's also a tough He is a stud man. He he's a stud off the field. He's a stud on the field I mean and he's a dog too cuz he's a real give up. I Mean easy. He looks so long. He kind of looks like Derek Henry out there. Yeah, he's a big version of Derek Henry Oh, yeah Good point. He's also a dog though. Well, he's a big version of Derrick Henry. Oh, yeah. Good point. He's also a dog, though. Well, you want to go with what summarizes him best. All right. On three, you say what you say. I'll say what I say. One, two, three, start.

Come on, Jules, we got to, you know, be more on the same page. You know, you think he's why is he a freak? I mean, I mean, he used to take freaking 330 pound off the tackles and just throw him to the ground right out of his way and then get to the quarterback and drop him right to his knees. And it's pretty freaky that big ass DN football player. Is sitting at the table talking to like housewives all around the world and they love him. That is.

That's freaky. That is freaky and it's freaky how he can talk 24-7 as well. And he's always on. He can come up with an answer and a solution for anything that's thrown his way. And he can do interviews. He really good at interviews. He's all purpose man. He's freak.

Stamp it. He's a freak, man. He's freak. Stamp it. He's a freak. He is. Freak. All right, let's get into our last Halloween edition of Dudes on Dudes. The guy that we were going to talk about. You know what? I'm looking at this and it's pretty gnarly. That every one of the scariest guys that we're going over is from the AFC fucking North.

Another Kent State Golden Flash. Another man that scares the living shit out of you. He sure does. His name is Debo, but his birth name is James Harrison. James Henry Harrison Jr. Oh, Hank? I will not call him that to his face.

He'll probably beat my face in. I've seen him doing that volleyball shit. What is up? Let's see what AI has to say. All right ladies and gentlemen. AI for James Hank Harrison Jr. AI was probably too scared to write anything about Harrison. The second. Holy smokes. Oh it's blank. AI was scared. AI is fucking scared. I'm scared. Did not want to get it wrong. Start the clock. I want to get it wrong. Start the clock. Now. Now.

James Harrison. James Harrison was a tenacious and a hard-hitting linebacker. Tenacious. Tenacious. Thank you, Jules. Gotcha. I'm Harry.

I didn't read any books growing up, okay? You know, and a hard-hitting linebacker. Known for his relentless work ethic and physical style of play. Off the field, he was dedicated and resilient, overcoming numerous setbacks to achieve success. Harrison had a significant impact on the Pittsburgh Steelers, helping them win two Super Bowls and earning the NFL Defensive Player of the Year award in 2008. Notably, he set a then Steelers single season record with 16 sacks in 2008 and

is the only undrafted player to win Defensive Player of the Year award. He was also a five-time pro bowler and twice named the Steelers MVP. He should have been a Super Bowl MVP. Yeah, but Santonio Holmes with that crazy toe-tapping catch, end of game. They should give out like two MVPs award, a defensive MVP if deserved and then an MVP award as well or an MVP award. And if it was a defensive guy, then if someone played on the offensive side, you know, on the offensive side of the ball very well, they should also have the offensive MVP. You know what I mean?

You know what I'm saying by that? Oh, Andy. Yeah. They can get a better sponsorship group out of the NFL too, if they did that. You could have, you know, Chevy for, you know, the offense and Ford for the defense. We're not business guys. Deebo.

Hey Lloyd, you're smarter than I thought. Harry, your hands are freezing James Harrison Absolute scary motherfucker like he look at him you look at his pictures. It's like one degree outside He's got his shirt off in his baggy ass sweats doing a pregame warm-up looking like he wants to just I fucking kill every single person on the other side of the team like we played against him and He's got a notion and it's so fucking crazy that he didn't get drafted because he's about six feet tall But he's also six feet wide. This guy is a fucking fridge but he's also six feet wide. This guy is a fucking fridge.

His arms are literally like 30 inches big. I remember he came and played with us in 17. It literally, when he would walk in the locker room, it felt like the scene in Friday when Debo would roll, everyone would put their chains away and he was like a nice guy but he just had that scary or a great guy scary or about him were like no hey oh shit what's up no one wanted to joke with them cuz you didn't know if he was

gonna take it or if he could be joked with but he was honestly a great teammate for that one year and he's made so many incredible fucking plays in his career like it's insane. Have you seen him do the shock put? No, I never seen. I guess he's a huge fucking shock putter. Like, he's a fuck. And I love him. I absolutely loved him.

I remember when he played that game in 2008, I was at Kent State, the Super Bowl, where he had that big 100 yard run in the Super Bowl. And I was just so excited to see a guy like him, you know, dominating the NFL from where I came from. He, I mean, it was, it's crazy. Was Primes James Harrison faster than you? Yes. Was he?

Yes. I'm not going to say he wasn't. I had to think about that and I was like, wait, if I am faster than him, I should not say I was faster. That's like, that's like me saying I'm stronger than him as well, which obviously I am not stronger than James Harrison. I don't think anyone is, but I'm going to talk a little football, you know, a little technician on the football field here. I mean, in the blocking aspect of the game, who you're going versus,

what type of guy you're going versus, what type of player you're going versus, who you're going versus. Cause in the NFL you scout the player, you're going versus you scout them. You see what type of player they are. You see how they react, uh, to, you know, the type of blocks that they're receiving and all that good stuff and what size he is what height the Defender is that you're going verse you get in his chest you throw your shoulder There's so many different techniques depending on who you're going verse and I love blocking a guy. That's like six five

My height who stands up because then I can get in his chest driving backwards and a guy that doesn't have that Mean look that mean attitude and a guy that's not going to get pissed off because I came flying off the ball and absolutely drilled him and drove him back five yards and embarrassed him. That was the last thing I was trying to do with James Harrison. What were you trying to do James? First off with James, I knew I couldn't get into his chest. The guy is like a bowling ball. Like you know that 28 pound bowling ball that everyone wants to throw down the fricking lane and just try to knock down all the pins and like, you kind of like do a granny style and so heavy, you blow out your back. Well, those are the hardest guys to block in the NFL, especially at my size, six foot six. You know, it's hard for me to get low. It's hard for me to move that type of guy because they have so much leverage built in plaid level.

Yes, exactly. That's what he has. And with a guy like that and how scary and intimidating he was, and I've seen it on film, you do not want to piss James Harrison off. Why? What did you see on film? Yes.

What do you see on film? What do you mean, what do you see on film? I've seen him take defenders, offense alignment, toss them. I've seen him absolutely level defenders and put them out of the game with a concussion dude he knocked out Josh Chris one of his teammates from college but literally so his ass out there therefore when I'm blocking him

it's a guy that you just kind of want to get in his way I'm not gonna come off the ball and crush his skull I'm not trying to do that because if I piss him off you know if I hit him hard and I trigger him man I'm gonna tell you he's gonna pick me up and throw me to next next play so I never wanted to trigger him I always just try to get in his way You know with my shoulder with my hands so then when the running back came around and you try to make a play You know just get in his way again, you know, so he can't make a lot of strength I could feel his strength because then if I start going strength for strength, that's when I lose

Yeah, no doubt about it. That's when I lose the block versus a guy like that and leverage. So every time I just try to just kind of play patty kick, you know, try to let him absorb me. So if I did fly off the ball, he would fly off the ball too. Then I would go backwards and he would have that separation. So I just try to stick on him like a, like a sponge, you know, uh, in just always didn't let them out of my rear view mirror, just always staying in front of them him never trying to piss him off never trying to give him a cheap shot That was the way I blocked James Harrison and it was a whole different style when you go over as a player like him That's crazy. See we're here talking about Rob like Rob's Rob used to block the biggest baddest dude on the defensive line

That's fucking does you don see, it's rarely seen, you know, a matchup with the tight end and the nine technique fucking D end or what, you know, the outside linebacker that's playing down. Like that doesn't, that's usually not the point of attack a lot of times, is it? You watch that film? Yeah, you always want to get the tackle on those guys.

But when you have a tight end in that situation that's willing to do it, willing to get to the net, that's what expands your offense. That's what expands the run game. That's what expands the play action game as well. And I kind of use that to my advantage. And that's actually what helped me get open plenty of time on the play actions when the linebacker step up because they thought, you know, I'm coming

out the block, but James Harrison was a terrifying pocket pressure player. Low. He got so low. He got so low. He's just like, yeah, he would have that shoulder dip, and he would just get right by the off and the tackle. Even though the off and the tackle is twice his size, kind of looks like twice his height,

but he would get right underneath him, and he was so strong, he would just rip through right through his arm and then get to the quarterback. And he was quick enough to take kind of an outside angle. Run the hump. Yeah, run the hump, and then bolt right to the quarterback. He also quick enough to take kind of an outside angle. Run the hump. Yeah, run the hump and then bolt right to the quarterback. He also would have a great change up where he would just use his strength.

He'd get right up in that chest of that guy who was about eight inches taller than him and push his ass right back into the pocket and blow up the quarterback. And that's the exact leverage I was talking about and that's why I didn't go toe to toe with him right off the line because he would get that leverage And you push me back So I would just try to stay on him and not let him get that force Though you know to be able to push me back. So just being a smart player Have you seen his workout videos his workout videos are frickin ridiculous He has like eight forty fives on each side when he's frickin benching like five hundred like

55 pounds you see it does. It's just ridiculous. His conditioning, he gets like a 30 pound or a 40 pound medicine ball and he plays volleyball with it or you have to catch it and throw it. I have seen that. That's hard. People don't realize.

That's hard. That's heavyweight and he does it for a long round. Like it's so fun to watch his workouts because he does like some world strongest man shit all the time. We're like, you'll have like a boulder he's pushing or he's fucking pulling a goddamn car or throwing fucking rocks that are like 900 pound. Like he's just a he's a cool dude, man.

And the one thing about it, the one thing would you agree? Does his voice not match his body? I think it does match. The one thing about it, the one thing, would you agree, does his voice not match his body? I think it does match his body. It does? Because I don't think it's like a low, scary voice. It's not as low as you expect. Yeah, so I don't think it, like you would think with that guy, he's like, hey, how you doing?

Yeah, you were expecting that low. No. It's kind of, it's not high though. No, it's not high. It's kind of like a deep train. James, I'm not saying you have a high voice. Which kind of good because imagine if it was that low it would be like even scarier Yeah, like

I remember remember he he remember he gave I got one of his shirts Remember he had the debauché shirt in the locker room. I still have the debauché shirt somewhere here He's he's like he can lift like whatever 600 pounds pounds, bench, squat, that lift. But what I love about him is that he always posts his regimen of, you know, recovery of how he recovers off of those lifts, how he was recovering in the NFL. And he would put like 350 acupuncture needles and every day, like every other day. And he posts about it.

Like you got to be a freak. You got to be intense in order to get 350 needles poked inside of your muscle tissue and just take it like an absolute champ. Like that just shows he just shows like he's dedicated, like he's doing whatever it takes to be at that level that he needs to be at. Who is the Mount Rushmore strongest guys we played with, you think?

I would say Sebastian Vollmer. Left tackle. Was Vince Wolfork. He was super strong. He didn't really have to even like work out that much. He would just walk in the weight room and toss up like 500 pounds on the bench. Yeah.

Marcus Cannon. Cannon was the strongest guy I ever saw squatting world. I never Can it would be squatting and there'd be 15 fucking 45 and the thing would be bouncing He I swear I think he had like 12 45s on each side. Remember that and yeah the bar would be It'd be bouncing like it was a fucking Q-tip with fucking rocks on it. It was gnarly. That was a good imitation right there. And then Brandon Bolden for Pound for Pound. Bolden didn't even work out.

He was like, but he Pound for Pound when we do all those like, gosh, I wasn't saying like that was a bad thing to work out. He didn't need to work out. And I'm like, dude, how are you so strong and ripped? He's like, yo, I carry my kids around. And I'm like, I'm like, dang, I got to start having kids. I got to start having kids. And I still haven't started.

And this is eight years later. What I would still be playing if I had 10 kids. Uh, he would always do those. Remember, we'd always have to do those explosion recordings for some certain things like the Kizers. And he would always be the absolute, he'd blow people out by a thousand points because he was just so explosive strong.

I'd say that's probably our Mount Rushmore. Yes. His last Kent State game, you know who he sacked five times? Miami of Ohio. Oh, Big Ben. His fucking teammate. Ben Roethlisberger.

No one's off limits. No one is off limits. We saw what he did to Josh Krebs when he was in a Browns uniform. We saw what he did to Ben Roethlisberger when he was in a Miami of Ohio uniform. Like he is fucking Freddy Krueger, bro. This is, I mean, this is the perfect guy to have on the goddamn Halloween episode.

You know, yeah, we're talking about his, you know, defensive skillset and all that. But what about every time he had an interception? He always almost like brought that ball back to the house, obviously, with one of the biggest Super Bowl plays in history, the 100 yard return versus Arizona Cardinals. And if they scored right on that drive, they were saying the game was gonna be over going into half because the Cardinals had that big of an advantage and that much momentum going in.

But he saved the Steelers that game with that interception to the house. It looked like he was about to be tackled eight different times and he just kept going and kept going and kept going. He's kind of like a fullback mixed with a running back when he's running the ball. Like Mike Allstock. Yes, exactly like him.

He's Mike Allstock of the defensive side of the ball. Did you hear that he's, is he going to be fighting Ojo Cinco? He will be fighting Ojos. Yeah. Ojo Cinco. Ojo Cinco. First James Harrison. What are you thinking Ojo Cinco? What the fudge are you thinking?

I'll tell you right now. Ojo Senko has got some balls. He does have some balls. He raced the horse. He's fought a couple times. And he's lost all the fights though. Has he? Yeah, he lost the fight.

He fought one time. There's something to be said about a man that loses a fight and keeps coming back. He keeps coming back. Keeps coming back. Ocho Cinco don't back down. He doesn't. No, he doesn't. But what's he thinking? What is he thinking? Is it it's UFC, right? It's MMA style. MMA style.

Yeah. I mean, the only way you'd have to fight James Harrison is if you go box him. If he couldn't bring you down. Ocho Cinco is 6'1", 190 pounds about, I would say. He's got to. he's probably like yeah He lost a Brian Maxwell in a bad boxing match. Did he? Yeah, it wasn't that I'm not saying He probably beat the shit out of me, but I'm not fucking James Harris. Mm-hmm James Harrison is a scary man. Should we go? We should go. I got I got a what-if Scenario, do you think we can beat James Harrison if we tag team verse him?

If we, you mean if we tag team James Harrison? No, no, like you and I verse James Harrison. I don't, honestly, I really don't know. I consider myself a tough guy. But, and I consider you a large, tough human as well. We would have to game plan. We'd have to. You have to game plan because you know the Steelers do what they do. They do.

Do they what they do? They do what they do. They do what they do. They do it very well, but they do what they do and they don't adjust. They don't adjust. You do what they do and they do. We'd have to game plan James Harrison for that fight time. All right.

But what kind of dude is James Harrison? Okay, I have two that I think he is. I don't think he's a dude's dude. I played with him and he was kind of a dude's dude, but I was too scared of him the whole time for him to me think that he was a dude's dude. The freak, I mean, he's either a freak or dog to me. I think it's a crazy thing that if he's a freak that he was an undrafted freak. He's I mean, he's either a freak or dog to me. You know, and I think it's a crazy thing that if he's a freak, that he was an undrafted freak.

That's probably a stat that we'll never say again. And the that's freaky. I mean, he is a freak for sure. I would not disagree with a freak. He has dog in him. There's no doubt about that. He's a relentless dog. He's a dog that he's a pit bull. He just never going to stop. It's the pit bull. Locked jaw. Trained.

Yeah, that has a locked jaw and just never letting go until that jaw finally gets tired after like put him down Yeah, you gotta put him down basically. You gotta kill him to let him but he's also freak with that interception and the stride his stride when he's running Yeah is ridiculous I mean, it's freaky to have a stride like that at that size with that much mass and to be able to run like that. That's freaky. That's freaky tangibles. Dude, no one fight. They say he's six foot. That dude's 511. He may be 510. He about my height and he's 260 and he runs just as fast as me. Okay. If you want to call that not a freak, you're fucking crazy. Yeah, you are crazy, though. He's a freak. Freak.

He's a freak. James Harrison, freak. Stamp it. Drafted in the third round of the 1996 NFL draft by the 49ers, he is renowned for his exceptional hands and ability to make plays. He ranks third in the NFL history in both receiving yards and touchdowns.

He was a six-time Pro Bowl selection and was named to the 2000s All Decade Team, born in Alexander City, Alabama. Known for his flamboyant touchdown celebrations, he was often seen as a decisive figure off the field. He was elected to the Pro Hope Football Hall of Fame in 2018. Jules, what wild dude are we talking about right now, right here as wild dude number

two? Let's get on T.O. T.O. Man. Was a wild dude. What's the wildest thing that comes to your mind when you hear of Terrell Owens, aka T.O.? The first thing that comes to my mind is him doing sit ups in front of his house on a sit up like bench with all the media outside of him.

Was it during his suspension? It was it was during his suspension when he got suspended by the Philadelphia Eagle and he looked yoked. He looked yoked and he looked yoked. What I I remember that press conference that he did outside of his home when he was doing the sit-ups. And I'm telling you, I was such in shock of how yoked he was and how ripped that I truly didn't believe that I could

play in the NFL from there. Because I thought that's what you had to look like in order to catch passes. Specimen. In the NFL. Just, yeah, absolute specimen, absolute freak of nature he looked like. The guy didn't have an ounce of fat on him.

And I was like damn I want to look like that one day man. That guy is ripped great smile, too. Yeah, he's beautiful He is freaking to man he I grew up watching him and I saw I mean I remember when it just changed overnight You know he struggled with drops early in his career and then It was that wild card weekend or divisional round game against Green Bay where Steve Young almost fell in his drop and hit him down the middle of the field

on a split safety seam. And Terrell caught a ball in between three guys, got crunch, made the play, they won the game. And from there on out, he just took off. Is that the play that he started crying right after he made the catch? That just shows that someone loves the game of football as well,

to have that type of emotion after a play like that and then you're crying right there and then on the field. He's an emotional guy. That's when you know you love the game of football, though. When a play can make you cry. He you could tell he loved he loved football. He liked playing football. I don't know. But he didn't love, you know, there's a lot of the team stuff where,

you know, he Andy Reed is considered probably the most like he's a big player coach. Right. From what we hear, I never played with him. Player coach that takes no shit. And he had to get him out. And they traded him in the division to Cowboys. That's crazy to me. That's a wild move.

I've heard though that- If you go in division against like your rival, that's like one of the oldest rivalries in goddamn football. Philly fucking Cowboys. And he was still elite. Like, that's how wild of a dude you have to be. He was wild in all aspects. He was wild, you know, playing the game of football.

He was wild off the field. He was wild with touchdown celebrations, but he was also wild with what he was going through when playing in some of the games, like the broken leg or the broken ankle in the Super Bowl. That's crazy. He broke, he literally broke his ankle, like two weeks before the Super Bowl, whatever it was, it was broken.

He played against the Pats in Super Bowl 39. What he had, what I think like nine receptions for 120 plus yards. Yeah. From what I recall, yes, New England won that Super Bowl, baby, 24-21, but obviously Philadelphia Eagles, they got us back when they beat us in what, 2017?

That's because Julian wasn't playing. Jules, if you were playing, we would have won that game. Yeah, you had no problem on offense that year. And what's wild about it too is he signed a waiver to go against the doctor's orders in order to play that game because the doctors were telling that he couldn't play because of how significant the injury was, but he was so wild, so ambitious and loved the game of football so much. And he was so wild in his rehab that he got himself to the point where he was able to play in that Super Bowl. And like I said, I'm gonna say it again, nine receptions, 122 yards, what, two weeks after breaking your ankle,

or three weeks or whatever it was? I don't know, it was actually, I think he broke it. It was week 15. It was week 15. So he had about four or five weeks to recover and play in the Super Bowl. That's fast, bro. You gotta give him credit, man.

He's like one of those ultra competitors where like it doesn't matter what's going on Outside the game whenever you put him inside the lines. He's gonna ball and when I watch his film he's a he is Absolutely a freak out there with how big he was With how he could catch the ball. He looked like a titan in the middle of the field, but he's fast. He was fucking, you know what? You never saw anyone catch Tio from behind.

Who did he remind you of? He reminded me of you. I agree with that, bro. What I loved about Tio on the field, especially his young days, bro, this guy was strong. Strong. Long legs, strong legs.

And the most important thing was he never got tired. To be that size, six four, 220 plus pounds, and to never get tired, yapping his mouth, doing his antics, going for over 100 plus yards a game. That's impressive. You know what I think that's because of? What's it because of? Because he was drafted to San Francisco

and he saw how Jerry Rice was. And Jerry Rice was the most in shape mother, in the history of the goddamn game and I guarantee Regardless of how in shape to was that's a good Jerry was Jerry still and then once you know I remember the day on Jerry Rice day that freaking to caught 20 damn balls on Jerry Rice's last game in the foot as a Niner, but like having that horse that rabbit horse of what Jerry Rice was helped make Tio how crazy Tio was because in the back of his mind he's probably thinking, man that's the greatest receiver I'm better than him.

But he saw how Jerry prepared so he probably took a little bit of that. That's a good point man. Well said. And what also made Tio so great as a football player as well, he was so explosive. So explosive. It didn't matter if it was coming, you know, right off the line into the route or after making the catch, he would just explode right up the field.

And he was so strong, because you could tell he was so strong, because like you said, he reminded me of me, I would just say a little bit skinnier and at the wide receiver position. So he's kind of like A.J. Brown. Yes, yes. He reminds me of A.J. Brown.

And anyone that tried tackling him, he would just throw the defender right off of him. T.O. broke tackles. Tackles. He broke tackles like no other wide receiver broke tackles. That's why he kind of reminds me of myself. It looked like he was a mini me just running through the defense and he was so physical as well at top of the route. That's what got him open plenty of times. On top of having a deep ball and running by a defender that's what made to so great and special and special as well and that's why he's a top five receiver of all time all time you say he has to have five I mean you watch his film on like five different teams even when he was old guy he was still making crazy mean, he played in a professional game, I think like four years ago at 50. Like he's still a specimen. Yes. He's playing in basketball leagues, celebrity basketball games.

Doesn't get tired. And he's always, he's always ready to go, man. He's, he's never sore. I feel like every time I see him, he's just full speed. How wild was it when he went to fucking Dallas and, and did the star thing? Well, what was wild? Well, that was when he went to fucking Dallas and and did the star thing? Well, what was wild? Well, that was when he was on San Francisco. He did the star thing that Emmett Smith came back and did the star thing He's so freaking wild that he went back and did it again after scoring another touchdown

That's how wild to is and he had Dallas Absolutely hate him and then what was so wild in the end is he got traded to Dallas at you know some point in his career from Philadelphia Eagles. And then they fell in love with him in Dallas as well, because he was such a baller and so wild out there on the field and had a fricking like 50 wild TD celebrations as well in Dallas. What other TD I remember him doing the popcorn in the face. Oh, wait up. He tossed me a ball real quick? Yeah, yeah, I got you. Here. Here, Jules. Oh, oh, Tony Romo.

Drop him back. Oh, hits Tio. Touchdown, baby. One of the most famous one that we saw even influence Christian McCaffrey on one of our episodes. When he was seven years old. Seven years old, takes out signs the ball after a touchdown, takes out of his sock. How fucking crazy is that? It's kind of like when you took out the easy button on your fucking out of your out of the thing. I got you.

He influenced you. I got Jules's autograph. Dude, I do. I'm going right to eBay, baby. I need some money in my bank account. How much will I get Jules? Probably 300 bucks. Did he influence you to take out the easy button?

Because actually that is exactly who influenced me, because once I saw the easy button in my locker when Staples sent it to me, I actually was like, oh, I'm going to hide this behind the goal post. No, he hid something behind a goal post. That was Joe Horn with the cell phone. Ocho tried to hide the easy button. Ocho tried to hide the easy button.

Put it this way. I was inspired by T.O. and Chad Ocho tried to hide the easy button. Put it this way. I was inspired by Tio and Chad Ocho. They go combined. And that's what made me do the easy button, you know, celebration and practice to those two guys. And a wild card to be frickin absolutely wild. So here we go. Signed football right here. Inspired by Tio and we'll be giving this football away.

Everyone one lucky fan. Best comment section in something. right here inspired by Tio and we'll be giving this football away everyone. One lucky fan best comment section in something we'll discover what it is but you got to do something really cool. What else we got it we miss anything else? Yeah what I really love about Tio as well and what made him such a beast on the field and so hard to tackle is the way he ran and the way he just got his knees up in the air. He ran with high knees. When you run with high knees like that, it's hard to take someone out and especially catch them from behind.

And that's why he looked like, what are those gazelles out there? Yeah, he looked like a gazelle when he was running like kind of like a horse as well. And that's why no one can catch him. And that's why he was so great, so fast, so talented because of those high knees that that drive that he had. How old is TL right now? He's 50. He still looks great, man.

He still looks like a professional athlete. If you see, I saw him like maybe a couple years ago somewhere he was cool as fuck. And he still looked like he could go out. What a fuck, El Dorado is his middle name? El Dorado? Terrell El Dorado is his middle name? El Dorado? Terrell El Dorado Owens. El Dorado, that is a sick ass,

I would have gone as El Dorado. El Dorado Owens? That would have been a bad ass football name. El Dorado? Imagine just putting El Dorado, I'm back of a Jersey name. El Dorado. Oh, everyone would have that Jersey.

Why don't you give me some way? No, no, that's what's the craziest injury that you played through. I would say, uh, I basically did the same thing. Uh, when I basically snapped my ankle in half, AFC championship game, Baltimore Ravens, I came back in that game about 15 minutes later and, and played, you know, about eight minutes with eight minutes left in the fourth quarter. So that was one of the craziest injuries I played through. Oh, also, I broke six of my ribs when I was in Tampa. Uh,

I got level going across the middle. Tom set me up once again. I think we, we've, we've, we've, we talked about that, didn't we? I don't know. I'm not sure. You're like we talked about that already. And I broke six of my ribs and then the x-ray machine showed that I didn't break any ribs. So I went back in the game like, oh, I can't, I gotta go back and I can't, you know, be a be a sissy. The x-ray machine said I had no broken ribs. So I go back in the game, get two more catches. I'm like, I'm hurting, bro. I'm hurting like this. This is bad. So I take myself back out of the game.

We go home and then I get an MRI and I have six broken ribs. Jesus. So I played through that. That was painful. That was painful. What about him and Ocho having a TV show together? I remember it was hosted by like Kevin Frazier. And it was on like a network we really never

heard of. But what would our show be called name? That's the T.O. Cho. That's a pretty good name. How about the T.O. Cho? Uh, Gronkynuts.

Gronkynuts. Yeah. I like it. Gronkynjewels. Gronkynjewels. And then last, let us know what you guys think our show should be. Also, we'd be crazy if we don't talk about when he started crying about Tony Romo

and that's my quarterback. You know how many times I've used that in just like a jokingly term? I've heard you use it plenty of times. That's my quarterback, man. What about his shades though? Those are some pretty awful shades. I liked them.

I thought they were swaggy. I was not a fan of them. Tio was, I bet you he's just a misunderstood dude. He's got a lot of emotions in there. I wonder what his upbringing was because he would have those bursts, you know what I mean? But he knew he loved the game. Well, what kind of dude is Terrell Owens, Jules?

I think it's easy for this one. I mean, he's's you could put him in as a dog because he's a dog. He's definitely a stud whiz. He's he's could be a whiz. I mean, he definitely knows those game game of football. He was all purpose on the field. I mean, he could take handoffs as well. He could do everything on the slot. Yeah, he was he was an all purpose football player besides a running back.

But I think it's one thing and one thing only. Yeah, I agree with you. I mean, this guy had unparallel physical abilities. I mean, he was one of one. His instincts were through the roof. I gotta go with, as well, Jules. One, two, three, freak. Absolute freak of nature. I got another question real quick, Jules.

Would you cry for Tom Brady? I did cry for Tom Brady, but it wasn't in the same context. It was when I read about him leaving New England and without reading it from him, I read it on ESPN Bottom Ticker that Brady signed to Tampa Bay. And then I had a single tear run down my my beard.

I just saw him three days before to Jimmy fucking Fallon at the goddamn Syracuse game. The guy didn't hint anything to me. I feel for you, Jules. Would you cry for him? Uh, I have. Are you going to cry right now? Yeah. Let's see if you can. Can you cry for him? Uh, I have. Are you gonna cry right now? Yeah.

Let's see if you can, can you cry on command? I'm just crying, just thinking about all our good times we had together. Is that a girl crying? And it's over. I see a tear. I'm trying. I see a tear.

I'm trying. I see a tear. I just tried, I almost got a tear. He's coming. I almost got a tear. I'm trying. I see a tear. I'm trying. I see a tear. I just tried. I almost got a tear. I almost got a tear. Wow, I almost got a tear. That was pretty good. Hey. Pretty good.

I think I'm out of time. I'm not lying, I almost got one. I'm actually feeling more emotional now. Where did you go to get the emotion? I just thought about all our Super Bowl wins and how much work we put in and how it's all over. So that's what you pulled from to get the tear. I need to I'm working on my tears I just did an audition where I had to have a sex scene with the guy over zoom. Oh

I'd be say I didn't get the fucking role. That's good. I'm glad you did it Jules You would be the definition of dudes on dudes God. You would be the definition of dudes on dudes. Well that's been another episode of dudes on dudes. Subscribe on Apple podcast, Spotify, Amazon music, wherever you listen to your podcasts. Comment on a dude you want us to do, rate and review and call in and ask us a question on the Chill Line at 561-203-5789.

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