Games with Names - Dudes on Patriots: Mega Episode

Episode Date: February 20, 2025

We're heading home for a very special Patriots MEGA episode. We've compiled every New England Patriot featured on the show thus far into one special episode. From the GOAT to legends whose stays were a little shorter, we're talking plenty of Pats dudes. We kick off the show with a New England edition of The Chillest Dude of the Week presented by Coors Light. Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Let's go. Dudes on Dudes is a production of iHeartRadio. And we're gonna start with a former player, a guy that everyone knows, a Hall of Famer out there. A guy that we played with. A guy that we play with on New England. On New England. About two years for you.

Two years for me. A quarter season for myself, my rookie year. One and a quarter for me. But everyone knows who he is, Randy freaking Moss. Please pull the picture out. Randy Moss was an absolute dominant force on the football field. I didn't want to put him in the category right away.

I didn't want to describe the category. We're not starting the clock yet either, are we? But the guy had personality. Everyone loves him to this day. He's a great TV analyst now. Awesome on TV. He's moshing people still to this day with his segment. You got mosned.

You know who this is Rob? You know this shot's from? No, what's the shot from? This shot is from when he was leaving the player's parking lot I believe. I think on a Tuesday after he got fined for mooning Green Bay. Remember he got fined for mooning Green Bay?

And this is like right immediately after when some reporter came up to him and said, Randy, what do you think about getting fined? And he says, straight cash, homie. That's what Randy is. And that quote is still used to this day. Straight cash, homie. Straight cash, homie.

Whenever I pay anyone in cash, I always say straight cash, homie. Always. Every single time. That's gonna live on forever. How many years ago was that? That was a long time ago. 20? No, it wasn't 20.

Yeah, I was in high school, man, when that happened. He was on the Minnesota Vikings, right? Yeah, he was on the Vikings at that time. So that was like what? 05? Maybe 05? I think we need to start this- 20 years ago.

Do we start the clock now? Rob's got a little research that he's done. Now Rob, how did you get this research? I just typed in the player's name on Co-Pilot and what type of, you know, football player they are or person they are. And it just popped up. And you got to work smarter, not harder, Jules. You got to work smarter.

That's what it's all about. It is. So what did co-pilot say? And this will also help out my reading skills. See, dudes on dudes, I mean, we're not the smartest dudes, Julian. But we're also not the biggest idiots. We have common sense. And we're not the smartest dudes, Julian, but we're also not the biggest idiots.

We have common sense and we're here doing this show as well to help us out in life as well. But get more creative. I would say we're idiots, we're not dumb. Yes, yes, we are idiots in a good way though. In the best way possible. We're not like IQ gonna knock you off the charts, but we're also not gonna spend all your money if you have like $2, you not going to spend, you know, like all your money.

If you have like $2, you're not going to spend 50. That's like common sense. Yeah, exactly. There you go. You hit it right on the nose and our reading skills. I want to say, are, you know, no, my reading skills are terrible. Everyone knows there. So this is going to help my reading skills. It's going to help my creativity doing this show as well. And that's why I wanted to do it. I feel like it's going to help us out on Fox, you know, just being able to talk. So we're building muscles. And we're also going to invest in Nvidia because we're going to use their AI.

Let's go. So here we go. Oh, no. We got Randy Moss, right? Yeah, Randy Moss. All right. What is Randy Moss? Randy Moss was a dynamic and explosive wide receiver

known for his exceptional speed, leaping ability, and play making skills. His deep threat capability made him a constant challenge exceptional speed, leaping ability, and playmaking skills. His deep threat capability made him a constant challenge for defenders as he could stretch the field and make spectacular catches. Moss was renowned, renowned, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, renowned for his ability to make acrobatic catches and score touchdowns, earning him a reputation as one of the most talented and dangerous receivers in the NFL. Over his career, he was selected to multiple Pro Bowls and was a key figure in the 2007 New England Patriots record setting offense. He was, he was.

Start the clock. Start the clock. We got 10 minutes, which each player that we will be talking about. First off, that's pretty damn good by co-pilot. Yeah, co-pilot, hit it right on the money. And Rob, I think he knocked it out the park.

I was a co-pilot reading that. I think you were the actual pilot. Yeah, I was, I was. You were the actual pilot reading it. I had no co-pilot. You were there, but you weren't there. I was co-piloted by just sitting there. You were the passenger.

I was a passenger. Yes, you were. I was a passenger. But who was the ride? It was freaking good. It was Freaky, which was also Randy's nickname. It was Randy's nickname. It was the freak.

Randy went to Marshall. There's so many crazy stories about he committed to Florida State, then he went to Notre Dame. Did you ever hear those? I never heard any of those stories, but he ended up at Marshall University. Where is Marshall anyways? West Virginia.

It's in West Virginia. Yeah. And you know he's from Rand, West Virginia? Like Randy Moss is from Rand, West Virginia. He used to say that all the time in practice. Hey, Rand, you, Rand, you remember you would always say that? Like is him and like, who else was from there? White chocolate was from there.

Oh, it was white chocolate. I eat white chocolate. Who's white chocolate? Jason Williams. Jason Williams. Oh, yeah. They were teammates, right? They were teammates.

They were teammates in high school. Dude, he always loves to fish, too. That was one thing you always knew about Moss. In the off season, you were never. He was like a farm boy. Yeah. Yeah. He loved outdoors.

You love fishing? You know, I was traumatized at a young age. My brother made me hold like two catfish when I was like six years old and he told me they could sting you and they had big old tentacles and it fucking traumatized me. So not a big fisher.

I was like the kid wakeboarding. My brother was like the fisher. You fish? No, I always got seasick every time we took that boat out. Yeah. And then like a mile off of shore, I was always throwing up and like really dizzy. So I never became a big fisherman.

I mean, I had a pond behind my house growing up. So I'd get like those sunny fish. Like that was cool, but never really a big fisherman. I eat fish, though. I like salmon, black and salmon, black and salmon. Yeah. With some good spices on it. I like a halibut. Nice light fish. Yeah. All right. Back to Randy. Back to Randy. It was what Hall of Fame. What year was that? He went to the Hall of Fame football hall of fame. That is, what was it?

Like 2018, 2018 it was. We is. What was it? Like 2018. 2018 it was. We won it in the Super Bowl. He was a 21st overall pick and he had a lot of the, there was a lot of like turbulence in his early career, you know, in college and stuff, which I always thought made Randy, you know, misunderstood. You know, he kinda, what would you say

when he was in the locker room? Like he was always a very caring dude but he always had his guard up. He always had his guard up. But like on the low, he would always give you love. Like for me, when I was a rookie receiver, I used to have to go out and buy all the receivers like lunch whenever we would have away trips.

Remember before the travel, the rookie goes and grabs something from Bar Louie or you go somewhere, Jimmy John's or something and you get the order and Randy would always make me do it. But I was a seventh rounder. So I wasn't paid by any means and guys would be giving you crazy orders. Randy would always throw me like three, 400 bucks.

He'd pay for it and make me go get it. So like he was always, he was just always quite like, he would kinda get on me in front of people, but then when there was no one around, he'd always love me up and like, you know, like he, I think he was just putting that on there to make me, you know, make me accountable. Yeah, for the, for the, you know, quarter career,

you know, quarter year I played with Randy, I thought he was a great teammate, man. And like you said, I feel like he was misunderstood in the public eye a little bit. He didn't really care about, you know, the glam and all of that. Like he just, he just rubbed it off his shoulders. Like, like it was nothing. Like it was water, man. But he cared about being a good guy and he never thought he was too big for anyone else. I mean, Randy was the best wide receiver in the game at the time, maybe of all time. And he cared about, you know, being relatable to the young bucks. He did. He made me feel

very warm and welcome. What do you do to the New England Patriots? When I was there, what he did to make you feel warm and well, so Moss always loved, you know, kicking it back, having a conversation with myself when I was a rookie. I was struggling. I was in the playbook like crazy, struggling a little bit, but he just loved how I played the game. And he always imitated me because I was big, I was goofy, you know, and he liked that kind of stuff, you know, and every time I had a catch or, you know, had a touchdown, I'd be like myself, you know, I'd be giggling like this. He'd be like, dude, bro, you always giggling. You always having a good time, Gronk. Like, it's cool as shit, man.

Cool as shit how you are, man. And I'd be like, it made me feel warm and welcome to be myself on the Patriots. And I'd be like, I always did that on the field after a couch I'd get up. Like, I don't know. That was just me. I was getting hyped.

And Moss was like, man, I like how you do this, man. I like, like, that cool shit, how you do that. Like, I'm gonna do that after I score a touchdown. I was like, man, I like how you do this, man. I like like that cool shit, how you do that. Like, I'm going to do that after I score a touchdown. I was like, for real? He's like, yeah, yeah, I'm going to do that. So what happened? Game, I think game number two. Buffalo.

Versus Buffalo, he scored like, you know, 40 yarder post right down the middle. Like, you know, like Randy Moss does. Cause fastest wide receiver I probably ever seen play the game. Freakish, you know, stride. It looked like he was going slow. He looked like, but he was just always passing people. And he was just gliding. He was like a jet ski on water, like on like flat surface, just gliding across the water. Yes. And it didn't look like he was going 70. No, but he was going 70, maybe 80 on water, which is

fast. Yes. So we get to the game. He scores that touchdown, and he starts doing this. He's being grok in the end zone. And I'm 21 years old. And this is Randy Moss, fricking Moss, imitating me after one of his touchdowns. I thought it was the coolest thing. I actually never even shared that story with anyone.

I'm not even, I'm talking, like, I never shared that story with a friend, a family member. It's just kind of known within the team, you know, within the team and the organization. So that's one of the coolest stories of all time, you know, about Randy Moss that I have personally. And he just made me feel welcome to the team. And he just made me feel like myself

because he just loved how I was and how I played the game. And it was just a special moment. That's for sure. He fucked with dudes that worked hard. Like I remember on Tuesdays, he would come in and do these workouts where he would do like side step ups, these like a step ups, quick feet. And so I would jump in with them every once in a while and he'd do all these medicine ball things where like he'd have like one leg on a medicine ball and do like a push Up and you know is working your core and so I would always I would always see him do shit

And then I would go do it You know I want to do it everything anything Randy did but like if he saw you working He never really busted your balls That's kind of guy you know but if you weren't if you were You know if you were talking and you you were a guy that wasn't heard or something, like any other patriot, any of the patriot guys, you know, you're gonna hear shit. You wanna also know why I would say Randy was misunderstood a little bit

because he was real. Yeah. And when people are real, people don't like that, man. Cause real things can sound like assholies. Yeah, exactly. It sounds assholie. Like if he didn't want your fricking food, he's not gonna eat sounds asshole. Like if he didn't want your freaking food, he's not going to eat your food.

Like he just didn't want it. You know, if he didn't like you, he didn't like you. Like it's just real shit. And then that's what makes people misunderstood. I still can't fathom that Thanksgiving game that he had. What was the screenshot of his? Well, he had three catches, like 146 yards, was it? 163 yards on three catches. 163 yards was 163 yards on three

catches three yards oh and three touchdowns all his catches were over 50 yards it was when he was with the Minnesota Vikings Thanksgiving Day he the turkey after the game as well yeah it was just moss being moss well Randy was so special that we actually had a play named after him moss yeah moss moss moss which was the Moss signal. That was the signal because it was all goes. It was a go on the left. There was a seam on the left. There was a seam on the right.

And every time Brady did that, I got excited because I was always a slack guy going down the field. So Moss, every time I saw that play, I thought of Moss and just felt like I had to turn the burners on as well. Rob, you had how many? What was your biggest touchdown season? I saw that play I thought of moss and just felt like I had to turn the burners on as well Rob You had how many what was your biggest touchdown season? I had 17 touchdowns in 2012 but 18 because one of them counted as a rush 18 touchdowns he had 23 touchdowns. How fucking nuts is breaking nuts? I don't think anyone's ever gonna touch that

I don't know with the 18. I don't think anyone's ever going to touch that. I don't know what the 18. I don't think anyone's going to touch it still. No way. Because guys aren't playing as many games. Like they don't play the whole season. Yeah. I mean, that was a reason why I think just because Moss was just so dominant.

23 touchdowns because when you have 23 touchups, Moss was only one who can get away from double coverage and then run away from it because he was so fast and freaky. Ain't no one ever going to touch that 23 touchdowns, Moss was only one who can get away from double coverage and then run away from it. Cause he was so fast and freaky. Ain't no one ever gonna touch that 23 touchdown record. I mean, I was pretty close that one year when I had 17. And then actually he was at practice, one of my best training camps of all time

when we were in West Virginia. Moss came whatever at that dumb place. Greenboro. Yeah, Greenboro. It's great for football. Coaches loved it. Cause all you did was focus on football. But he couldn't go to the casino.

That was fucking bullshit. Good thing we would have lost all our money or won a lot more money and then had it could have retired in training camp. But Moss was there when we were facing the Saints in practice and I was dominant, man. This was a year I was on fire. Unstoppable was actually the year we won the Superbowl versus Atlanta when I was unstoppable.

And it was just unfortunate that I got lit up up the middle of that year, but I had like four touchdowns in a row versus Saints and seven on seven. And Moss was right there. And I was like, boss, I'm coming for you, man. That touchdown record is mine. You go Gronk, you got it, boy. You're the only one Gronk.

You're the only one that can beat my touchdown record Gronk. You got this boy. I wanna see you do it. I go Moss, I am gonna do it buddy. I'm on coming for it, 23 no problem. I mean, it was kind of realization at that time. I was dreaming big, but it was just so cool to have Moss right there.

Talking shit to Randy Moss, I'm gonna beat his touchdown record in middle of practice. It was one of the coolest moments I've ever had in practice. Moss, you the man. And the freakiest catch I've ever seen Moss make that I will still remember for the rest of my life. The Reavis? It's the Reavis catch.

It was the, what, second game? It was the second game of the season. That was my first start. It was. So when he did the imitation of me, it was actually the second game of the season. That was my first start. It was. So when he did the imitation of me, it was actually the first game of the season. I think we played. No, this was, was that, that was, I don't think you were there yet. No, I was there. So we played the, we played Cincinnati, my very first game. Yeah. Then we went to the jets. We lost most freakiest catch I've ever seen. We lost the game. Yeah, we lost the game

Brady just toss it up there. He let the play develop. No one was open. So he tossed it up one-on-one coverage Moss versus Doral Rivas the best cornerback in the game Moss put his hand up in the air and just snagged it one hander right in the end zone about three yards in It was freaky because he extended all the way. It wasn't like it was like close to his body. He made that extension, you know. You know how hard that is? Effortless. It looked like he barely did it though.

When he was going, he was just like, ooh. And then, oh, and then we played the Buffalo Bills the third game, and that's when he did the imitation. The imitator, or the fan? He was imitating me, no, myself. The third game, yeah, yeah. The grand giggles And then we played the Miami Dolphins the fourth game of the season and then after that game

He wasn't there. He wasn't there anymore. It was sad. It was you want to know something Jules Oh, I remember it man I remember it we were we were partying man when he got traded were we it was Monday night And you know us we were partying man when he got traded. Where are we? It was Monday night and you know us, we were young bucks man, we went to Foxwoods, the casino and we woke up. Was it a Monday night game? No, it was a Monday. Was that a Monday night game?

It was a Monday night game. So did we have a bye weekend? We had, I think we had a bye week or something because we went to Foxwoods Tuesday night cause it was industry night at Foxwoods. And you know us, we're in the industry of partying at that time. We were maniacs.

We were maniacs. We're just dudes on dudes, man. We're just having a good conversation, you know? We're just telling our stories, just living up, you know? How'd you find out? What we did in the past. And I remember we were together, man. And you were, you were pretty hungover.

I remember. And then I was hungover too. And we turned on the TV. We didn't know anything, what was going on. And we turned on the TV ESPN and Randy Moss, there it was breaking news, traded to the Minnesota Vikings. And literally we were like heartbroken. We were hungover and heartbroken.

It was probably the worst situation you could be in. Yeah. Yeah. But we always climb out of those holes. That was, but I remember. Talk about the Sunday scaries. Yeah, that was the Tuesday morning scaries right there. You wake up, you don't, oh fuck, we got practice. Rainy Moss is gone.

That was one of the examples of my early times in my career that I was starting to learn that the NFL was a business. Oh yeah. Because as a rookie, you don't know that it's a business. You're going to make the team. You think you're playing forever. You can't trade Randy. No one's trading Randy Moss.

You can't trade Randy Moss. She's the greatest of all time. And it was really cool though, because he did that press conference I think the week before like he wants a new deal. He had his headphones around his neck. He kind of went off like the patrons ain't giving me my new contract. And I thought that was really cool because that's the Randy Moss I knew like going off just just being a real dude.

Yeah, he knows. and I love that shit I love when players act up man, and I thought it was the coolest thing so sad to see him go But it was also sad because that was part of the reason I feel like he went, you know Bill is takes no shit He does he doesn't but that that's when you reckon you realize that this is definitely a business Alright, so some final thoughts Randy Moss. What kind of dude is Randy Moss then? Yeah, you realize that this is definitely a business. All right, so some final thoughts, Randy Moss. What kind of dude is Randy Moss then? Yeah, what kind of dude is he? I would say.

So we have a stud, I'd like athleticism, football IQ, the pedigree, we have the freak, unparalleled, physical ability, one of one, pretty much a mutant, that sounds pretty close. We have a dog who's relentless, motivated, physical and mental toughness. We got the whiz dude who's intellect, innovative, very clutch.

And we got a dude's dude. Positive attitude, locker room guy, calm, cool, collect. Glue guy, he's like a glue guy, dude's dude. And let me tell you, every dude that we're going to be talking about, hit all of them. They hit them all. They, their attributes are all five of them, but we're trying to find the one that exemplifies them

the most. And with Randy Moss, it's easy. I feel like this is a no brainer. No brainer. No brainer. It's already in his nickname. The freak.

The freak. I mean, he was, I remember he's just so fast. He was so he could jump. He, he, he, he could catch the ball. The intricacies of the game were like that were, you would try to coach the guys like late hands and stacking the receiver. Like those are the things that like,

we would try to coach. He just did it naturally. That's like how he like, and the receiver, like those are the things that like we would try to coach. He just did it naturally. That's like how he like, he just knew how to judge a ball and high point balls. Like he, we literally have segments named after him going up and just mossing dudes. And the way he like the ability he had to just leap

when he was running full speed is what made him so great. Cause he can have a defender on him cause defenders were just as fast as them. Some of them were, some of the DBs were. Some of them. Don't let Randy here. He'd be like, Hey man, get on the 200 slate. All right.

Slate, you know that too. Remember he used to challenge slate all the time. He did. 200. But every once in a while there was a guy that, you know, it was kind of covering him. But what did he do? He just leaped right over him like a frog and made the catch.

And that's what made him so freaky. It's so crazy to think like you're, when you're running full speed and you got to track a ball, your eyes are bouncing. Like that's like some of the first things you see, like when from your like off season training and you jump into like, you know, start competing against guys.

The first thing that you always have to dial in is the bouncy eyes My eyes would bounce and I'm going like a guy to go full speed and be able to concentrate and then like effortlessly Like a ballerina jump off one leg go back Moss a dude over to like that's that's a freak. He's a freak I remember Jules like you used to always Brad and we moss would do it So I'm doing it so like right after games, like when you landed from a away game, he'll go right to the weight room to get his workout in.

Yeah. And you pick Moss is doing, I'm going to do it, you know, like you copied everything he did, but I don't blame you, man. He's the greatest of all time. I would copy him, Tom, anyone who was around. I'm copying Wes. I'm copying. It's a copy Cat Lee.

All right. You loved your dudes. I loved dudes. You loved hanging on your dudes. Well you become- That was one dude you wanted the dude on. You become a creature of the dudes you hang around. That's the truth.

You know, you become a dude of the dudes. That's why I'm a podcasting now, cause I've been hanging out with you Jules and you have your podcast. So I wanted to podcast. See, now it's just dudes rubbing off on dudes. That's why I'm podcasting now, because I've been hanging out with you, Jules, and you have your podcast. So I wanted to podcast. See, now it's just dudes rubbing off on dudes. So we did Randy Moss.

All right. Freak of nature. Freak. No doubt about it. He's a freak, dude. No question. All right, let's go on to our next. Bum, bum, bum.

I'm sure we're gonna go for more than 10 minutes. We've already went for more than 10 minutes. Who's our next guest, Tom? Our next guest. I mean, wow. Who's our next guest, Tom? I mean, wow. All right. Who's our next guest, Julian? Our next guest is Thomas Edward Patrick Brady.

Now let's see what AI has, what to say about TB two guys that know him pretty well. Let's see if AI knows him just as well. All right. Start the clock. Let's see. Let's see if AI is really living up to the standards. Let's see. AI knows him just as well. All right. Start the clock. Let's see. Let's see if AI is really living up to the standards. Let's see. Cause he's everyone's same last two AI. All right. Tom Brady is a legendary NFL quarterback. Well, they're already wrong. Cause he's not a legendary

NFL quarterback. He was an NFL legendary quarterback. Or is he, does AI know he's, does Tom come out? AI, AI knows something that we don't know. Oh my God. AI is living up to the standard. Dolphins. Ah, dolphins. Kyle Shanahan still wants him with the Niners, even though Brock Perry is legit.

Maybe AI's up to something right now. AI is up to something. What does AI say? He's renowned for his record seven Super Bowl victories and five Super Bowl MVP awards. Wow. Off the field, he is known for his disciplined lifestyle. Very disciplined.

TV 12 Method. Businessventures.com. Business Ventures. Lot of business ventures, owns teams. TV 12 method. Business ventures.com slash business ventures. A lot of business ventures owns teams, lots of teams. Raiders potentially coming up soon. And philanthropic efforts. A lot of giving back to the kids. Best buddies for a long time. Yes. And what about the kids? He helped become superstars. Yeah. He helped us out too. We're part of that.

That doesn't go in the full anthropo. That's not full anthropoe, but we'll take that. That's his biggest philanthropy right there. It was. Definitely. Okay, helping us kids out. He helped us a lot. All right.

Now, including his work with the TB12 Foundation, which you just mentioned, Joel. TB12 foundation. Brady's leadership. He's a leader. Resilience. Guy's fucking resilient. And commitment.

Come on, Jules, is he committed? This guy is committed like no other. To excellence, have made him an iconic figure. Is he iconic? Fucking, he's got aura. The most iconic. The guy's got aura. Iconic figure both in sports and infinity and beyond. It said infinity and beyond.

No, it says and beyond, but I added that little buzz light year, you know, spectacle aspect into it. I like that. I like that. But I can't believe AI didn't, one thing that AI didn't get, this guy's compartmentalization skill is fucking outrageous.

That's what, when anyone asked me, he could literally have so many things going on in his life, but when it was time for work, he could blur all that out and think about what that work day was and fucking get the most out of that work day every day. Which some would say that's like a serial killer

or some kind of maniac mindset. I would say that's like the greatest of all time. Yes, Jules, that's a great point. I actually never thought of that. And that's 100 percent accurate. And that's actually contributes to why he was so great is that he could ignore the noise, whatever is going on out there, whatever the situation was. I mean, better. it didn't matter.

And he would, yeah, he would use that anyways. He was using it as fuel. It would be diesel fuel. It would be normal, normal fuel. It would be freaking super rated fuel. It didn't matter. It's one oh one. Use it as fuel.

Only a few gas stations have that fuel. Fill up that engine. And he had diesel engine. He had freaking premium engine. He had every engine in the book. Jet engine engine and that's what made him so great and he used that fuel and he burned all that Fuel too. This is probably Terrell There's so many he burned so much fuel that he killed literally so much of the ozone layer that he's a fucking hazard To our environment because that's how much fuel he burns

fucking hazard to our environment because that's how much fuel he burns. With the motivation and his compartmentalization factors. That's how much fuel he's burning. And that, and that jet was full go every single time. You know, when you get on a plane, you're like this fricking pilot better drive this plane or fly this plane as fast as possible. I'll drive it to fricking on the runway to get to the runway to fricking take off. So fly it and drive it as fast as possible. Oh, drive it to frickin' on the runway to get to the runway to frickin' take off ASAP. So fly it and drive it as fast as possible. That's this guy.

And he's got headwinds, so you're actually using more fuel. Yeah. And the fuel never ran out. The guy has fuckin' airplanes that come out while you're flying. Have you seen that where they use the fucking piece and while they're flying in the air,

Air Force One, they're connect, he's got that on unlimited. Yeah. And that is Alex. Alex is the little airplane. Alex is the little airplane. He's the little airplane. That connects well.

He's the little airplane fuel. That connects well. Oh man. He just has so much fuel oh I mean, oh that was so good. That was so good. There they are. Look at there's Alex and Tom Alex is fueling Tom up Wow Hey, wow, and that's something to have a that's a love thing out of Alex because he keeps him going. Keeps him going man. Look at that. Well, let's get to some accolades I mean first he was he was picked one 99 6 round in the 2000 draft

I mean, I'm sure everyone knows that by now. He was with the Patriots from 2000 to 2019 and then with the Bucs 2000 to 2022 and actually I just got a quiz on him. How many years did he play in the NFL? And it was right before I talked to him two weeks ago on Fox. Kurt Menafee asked me, we played a little live game. Hey, how well do you know your teammate?

Tom Brady goes, how many more years to Tom Brady play in the NFL than you? And I played 11 years and I thought Tom Brady played 24 years. I actually got it wrong. He played 23 years in the NFL. So shame on me. But it was better to be over on that than hit it right on the nose. But that's how many years he played is that I just know it was so many I couldn't even keep track anymore. He played 11 years more years than he played 11 years more than you and 12 years more than me.

That is fucking gnarly. I played 12. I played 11 years in the NFL and he played more years in the NFL that I put in the NFL. He that without me. Does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah. Like if you, I don't know what that's called, but that's a math term. Yeah. That's called the whole, that's called goat but that's a math term. That's called the whole. That's called go. That's fucking goat. Go. Yeah, that's called jet fuel. Alex is jet fuel. Alex is jet fuel.

Yeah. What was the first time you met Tom? The first time I met Tom was actually what was pretty wild when I was at the University of Arizona. You know, I was doing my interview, I had a couple of touchdowns that game. I was showing off my touchdown celebrations and then the lady interviewing me. She's like, who do you see being your quarterback in the NFL? And obviously right on the spot, I go, Tom Brady would be the best quarterback to have in the NFL and especially a great fit for me. And that was just the answer, you know, and then I did my touchdown dances and all that.

And then what happens? I get drafted to the Patriots and Tom Brady becomes my quarterback in the NFL. It was like I manifested it when I was in college, I manifested a lot of things. And, and if you ask Tom, Tom's probably really big into manifesting as well. He manifested all his Superbowls because right after he won a Superbowl, he would already have a clock counting down to the next Super Bowl. So he was manifesting like crazy. You just learn so much knowledge from him and he's done so many things right to be able to get to, you know, nature of where he is now. It wasn't like he just had the athletic ability. He showed up. He did everything right and he put the time in that you can never argue against him.

Can't. You can't. I'll give you an option. So let's get let's get back to what was I talking about again? I don't know. I just got this. Yeah, I got a little off. First time you met him. Oh, the first time I met him. It was in the training room. I was getting my ankles taped in.

He walked in. So I was there already for the rookie camps, the rookie practices, and he just walks up to me. He goes, Hey Rob, I'm Tom Brady. And I was like, Oh, wow. This guy already knows my name. I mean, that's also what makes him so great as well is that he already knows all the rookies names, all the guys that were drafted, what rounds they were drafted in, what type of player they already were. Cause he wants to know, you know, their athletic ability, you know, what type of guy they are. So he can understand them so he can be on the same page as the best out of them. So we can get the best out of them as well.

Like you said, and he could have that connections to help win games so he can be on the same, you know, wavelength as them. So he already knew my name came up to me and I just thought it was the coolest thing, man. I just said, hey, man, nice to meet you. It was just super quick. When he left, what did you think in your head? Tom Brady knew my name. And that was the greatest honor, to shake his hand

while getting my ankles taped. And then he goes wins four Super Bowls with him. That's crazy. I had a similar story. Yeah, what was it like when you met him? What was that story? I was going from, like you said, we were already in there.

When you're a rookie, you get in there before, back in our day, you get in there before the vets reported. And so you'd be there for like three weeks. You'd rookie camp and learn installations and everything. And so I had a big book. We all had these books. It was like a five inch, remember those old, the old binders? Before we had iPads, we used to have big old binders.

I didn't like carrying them around. I left mine in my locker when I went home. Yeah. Even though you were supposed to bring it home to study, I was like, I ain't carrying that binder. I used to carry it. You did. I do.

I was trying to make a goddamn team. You had to. So I'm over here getting five minutes before the special teams meeting. It's true. And I'm running through and the vets came in over here getting five minutes before the special teams meeting. It's true. And I'm running through and the vets came in and I saw the vets coming because I saw Welk in the

cafeteria. Didn't say a word to me. I was, but I wanted to- Big timed you. Big time me a little bit. That's okay. He had a leather jacket on. You big time him now.

He looks cool. He looks cool. And I like when you guys big time each other. It's entertainment for me. All right, back to Tom though. And so I knew they were in, but I was going to my meeting and he walks through the door. You know the entrance, the locker room from the hall? He walks in there and he goes,

like look at him, I dropped my book. I'm like, oh shit, this dude is taller than I thought. And he goes, hey, I'm Tom. I go, Jules. He goes, I know, we have the same agent. Dragon's my agent too or something, something like that. And I was like, nice to meet you. And you could, I felt the same way you felt like, damn, he knew my name. That's fucking crazy. But he knew that he knew everyone's name and he made everyone feel special. And that, that was part of his leadership skill. You know, like what made

him such an unbelievable leader. From the meal ladies to you know the people in the equipment room, the training staff, like it didn't matter what was going on, how the day went, he was always a pretty cool dude to everyone and everyone was always watching him. You know what I mean? And that's when you're the quarterback of the team, everyone, no matter what is going on in your life, is watching that person and to see how they react to everything.

The success, the failure, your eyes go to that guy. You know, and he was the perfect guy for us, especially when we were young knuckleheads to look at like, all right, this is how you have to do it. He gave you the example and he was just a fucking. He gave us the blueprint on how to become a reliable, talented, you know, player that you needed to be to help the team win games.

He gave us the blueprint on how to become a star out there on the field. He gave us the blueprint on how to become a star out there on the field. He gave us the blueprint on how to make plays, how to go out there and have that mindset ready to go, and also be mentally and physically ready at all times on the practice field and on the game field. There's no doubt about that. And he didn't just give you the blueprint.

He showed you the way, too. Showed you. Yes, he showed you, hey, this is where I want you on this route. This he didn't just give you the blueprint. He showed you the way to showed you. Yes, he showed you, hey, this is where I want you on this route. This is when you need to look at me. This is where the ball is going to change you. Yes, he trained you to be like that. Oh, a little puppy. Oh, wait. Oh, wait. Oh, you want to take a break?

Hey, man, I'm telling you, your mind will let you go farther. Let's go. Four more routes. Let's go. You got to be able to be on the same page as me. You got to be right here. Be more physical. Be more physical. You're bigger than everyone. Run his ass over and turn around and the ball will be there. I promise you. And if you don't hit that guy, if you're not physical,

guess what? The ball's not going to come to you. He would just lay it out just like that. His leadership was just, what's that word where it's just brutally honest, brutally honest. And that's what made him so great too So like with him, that's what he always harped to gronk With me I remember in those because a lot of times we would get that coaching in the offseason when he we go fly out Somewhere we would throw together, you know, cuz there's times where you would do it There's times where I would do it. He would always try to get his throws in with his guys And for me, he'd always come up to me like hey, I I need you to be here There was times where I would do it. He would always try to get his throws in with his guys.

And for me, he'd always come up to me and be like, hey, I need you to be here. I need you to be like a boxer. You know, you can't be, you can't just do what the thing shows you on the paper. You have to feel it out. You gotta set things up with your jab and then you use your right.

You know, it's like a boxer. You got to be more savvy in your route running. That's I remember you saying that. And then he'd always say, like, you got to run like a fucking you got to be able to run. You got to be able to run all day. And like you said, when you retired, we would do those sets of routes. He'd make you do three or four extra ones. And he would say you'd line up and you would you think that the drill was done.

And he would say, oh, there is you would, you think that the drill was done and he would say, Oh, there's offsides on a panel on, on your teammates, or there was a holding call or PI or we got to redo it. And he knew you were dog dead, but he wanted to see, he wanted to get everything out of you. When you were on empty, he wanted to see what kind of guy you were. And he wanted to show you. That's what he expected in game time. And a word that you could have used in there as well, that kind of sums it up a little bit is he loved a decisive route.

Right. Decisive, decisive. He didn't care if the paper said run 10 yards and run out. He didn't care one bit. He cared about being decisive on the practice field and taking that decisiveness and bringing it to the game field. He goes, hey, if you're gonna run 12 yards, even though it's a 10 yard route,

or if you're gonna run eight yards and it's gonna be a little short, just be decisive. Let me know when you're gonna break out. Let me know when you're gonna break down so I can get that ball out and I can read you. I don't need you to have 15 steps where you're slow. I think you're gonna go to the left and then you go to the right. No, be decisive.

If you're decisive, I will find you and that ball will be out and it will be right on point. That's what he said. What's the biggest misconception of him? You think the biggest misconception of Tom Brady? I think is that he's cool. Is that? Yeah, he is cool. No, I think that's the biggest misconception. He's not that cool.

Depends. That's the misconception right there because he's cool when he's comfortable. He's cool, but no, he's comfortable in the situation. I think he's not cool when he's comfortable. I think when he's around us, he's kind of like a dork. Yeah, a little bit. And then when to the everyone else, he's the coolest guy, which I still think he's the of like a dork. Yeah, a little bit. And then when to everyone else, he's the coolest guy, which I still think he's the coolest guy ever.

But then when you have him around, you're like, he's really kind of a dork. There's some situations where if he's comfortable, he's more himself. Yes. Yes. And he's more like dad jokey. If he knows all the cameras are shut off,

like he can finally just have some kind of the beat. Tom. Yeah, it's kind of dorky. OK, OK, I like this. You need a little dork in your quarterback. You do. Mostly all quarterbacks are a little dorky. And that's what makes them quarterbacks. I mean, not all of them, but I'm saying it's kind of like just a trait. What quarterbacks have, but a little bit, just a little bit in them.

He is cool, but he's a little dorky. But you just said he's not cool. No, I said the biggest misconception. He's cool. He always keeps a chip on his shoulder. Always. Always. That's not a chip on his shoulder. Always. Always. That's not a misconception.

I think everyone knows that. That's work ethic. I know, but I'm just giving some facts about him. What else is a misconception? That he's not clutch. No, that's not even a misconception. Everyone knows he's clutch. Yeah, that's...

Yeah, I just wanted to try to throw you off, Jules. How about this guy also play baseball and got drafted? Yeah, by the Expos. Montreal. Yeah, no wonder why he didn't go and play baseball. The Expos? I mean, they have a cool hat. They do got cool colors.

They're gone, though. They're not even there no more. That's what I mean. That's why he didn't want to go there. He's like, oh, man, my legacy. I go there. The team's going to be gone. That means I'm going to be gone. They're not even there. That's what I mean. That's why he didn't want to go there. He's like, oh man, my legacy. I go there. The team's going to be gone. That means I'm going to be gone.

I want to last forever. I'll go to the New England Patriots instead. Yeah. He was in high school when he got drafted. He went to the same high school. He knew he was going to the Patriots. Yeah. He went to that. I remember, well, we grew up in the same area. So he went to the same high school as Lynn Swan, Barry Bonds. There's like so many really good athletes that come out of that freaking school.

Sarah, it's all boy school. What was the moment that Tom made you the most annoyed? Oh my God, when I would return punts. Like I remember my rookie year. It was the freaking pre-season game. It was my first punt return and there was a repunt and I end up house in the second one. But the first one I see Tom on the sideline and he's got a

little anxiety because it's his first game from his knee. So he's like he was like coaching me up on how to return a punt. He's like, just get up. Just get up. I'm sitting there. I'm looking at him like, fuck this guy. This guy has never done this. He does not there and I'm looking at him like, fuck this guy, this guy has never done this. He does not know what I'm feeling right now. I was so annoyed with him.

And then they repunted it and I housed it and I fucking slammed the ball against the thing. I was fired up and I was like, I was so annoyed with him. I was like, this guy, he's never felt what it feels when the guys are running full speed. This is new to me. I never felt it either at the time.

So I was like, fuck this guy. Let me do what I got to do. He doesn't know how to run. And I was so annoyed with him. I'll tell you mine. What was yours? When I was a rookie and I couldn't get outside of the defender on a flag route, which is flag route,

which is a corner route. So you run about 10, 12 yards and you, you know, you give a little stick and you break it 45 degrees and run a corner route. And the defender was always outside of me sitting at like squatting at 10 yards. And he's always says, get outside. If you have a flag route, corner route, you got to get outside of the defender or else I will never throw you the fricking ball. So I was a rookie. I was kind of like clunky. So I wasn't really that athletic as a rookie. You know,

I wasn't running routes. Right? Double days in. Yeah. I was tired as well. I couldn't get outside and in practice, I didn't get outside of the guy. He's like two, three yards outside of me too. And I'm trying to fake him. Like I'm going inside and trying to get around them on the corner. And Brady just turns around in the meeting cause it's on film and he turns around and he goes, Gronk, I'm fucking done throwing you the ball. I told you 50 times to get outside.

You're not getting outside. And like, I got all sad and LG Krumper started patting my leg and he's like, it's okay, Gronk, he doesn't mean it. And I was like, yeah, he does, LG. He means it, man. He means it. And let me tell you, this time you fucking throwing me the ball like a thousand times after.

So I knew I knew he was all bullshit. Tom telling me he was never going to throw me the ball again. I was literally like, but that fired me up. I was like, oh, all right, I'm going to show this guy. But that's the leadership he had. He was brutally honest, brutally honest, and he would freaking get you to go to the next level, which was crazy, which was crazy. He was so good at it.

But I was so annoyed because I couldn't get outside the guy. I'm like, I want to be like, Tom, run the frickin' route. I guarantee you can't get outside of the guy either. He's three yards outside of me. And then if I got outside of him, it was basically like an out route I was running because I would have to flatten it so much. So I couldn't really run the corner route.

And you get the other responsibility, the other guy. But he just wanted to get his defender in practice is playing the play. Yeah. And then he knew the play. He just wanted to get the point across. And you get in the other responsibility, the other guy. But he just wanted to get a defender in practice is playing the play. Yeah. And then he knew the play. He just wanted to get the point across. Yeah. So it was just always in my memory.

And every time I ran a route, it was kind of just like on autopilot just to get outside of the defender. So I was annoyed at that with that situation. But times have changed. I started running routes where I would go inside the guy and then he would still throw me the ball as well later on because he's like, all right, he proved it enough that he can do it.

Well then you guys started throwing the back shoulder shit. Yeah, then we started doing all that. I also used to get really annoyed when, in meeting rooms, if he liked you and this, I felt both of these. I felt when he liked a guy, he'd like, he would like love them up. And then there'd be so like when, when Wes was there,

I get so annoyed when I would do the exact same thing that Wes would do and he, he wouldn't think it was good. And I would get so fucking annoyed with them. But I remember when Wes left, then I was that guy, there was guys doing, trying to do what I would do. And he wouldn't, so like, I would get annoyed with that so much when he would always bring up like, babe, just do it a little more like Wessie.

He called him Wessie. When he called him Wessie, remember Wessie? I used to get so annoyed. You wanna know what I would get annoyed with him too, is like, we're in the off season. We just ran 50 routes. It's like you and I out there only we're dead tired. It's 90 degrees outside middle of the summer. And he'd be like, one more,

just one more route. Cause he's just throwing the ball. His arm can throw 150 passes a day and we're running the fricking 50 routes and he'd be one more. So then we would run, run more. We give it our all. And we're about to throw up. It's middle of the summer. We probably are hung over. He has no clue what that's like. He used to. He used to. We didn't get to see him though.

Yeah, and then he became lame. Yeah, he became lame for like a couple years. Nah, he, back in the day. I guess he wasn't lame, if you're saying he's not lame, he was lame, okay, say it Jules. No, he was lame. Yeah. Like when it came to No, he was lame. Yeah Like when it came when it came to that

It was lame But we didn't get him when he was young. Yeah, I know he was already 33 when I first met him and then I tell you It's I'm freaking lame at 33 years old complain compared to when I was freaking 28 years old you're right. It wasn't he was 23 24 He was the there's you know, he was the best chugger on the team. He was. Like he was a dude's dude. So back to the story, like he'd be one more

and then you would run one more route and they'd be like one more. And then you'd just be like, Tom, I'm not f'ing running one more. I just ran 50 routes. You know, one more bud, one more. You want to get better? One more.

And then it'd be like 15 more routes. And then finally it was the last one. And it was 50 and then you get to 75. He's like, he just wanted 75 throws. Yeah. He wanted 75 throws. Whatever Tom says, you do. You got to.

You got to. 100%. I remember those days, man. That's what made us great though. What was the moment that like, you felt like you truly gained his trust and that he could rely on you even if you mess up again, he knows that you're still reliable. You know what I'm saying?

What was that moment? What was that catch? What was that play? If it was a practice or if it was a game? Well, cause he loved, he loved Wes. You just were not playing when Wes was there. Okay, Jules? No, but he- You couldn't have Tom Brady's trust

when you were on the bench. Yeah, it was when Wes left. You didn't like bench players, okay? He didn't like it. It was when he left, he had no, he had to trust me. He had to, all right. And then it was week one in 13 where we played Buffalo and we went out there and we won.

I had two touchdowns. And that's when I felt like, all right, because we had some spurts where, you know, West would get banged up and he wouldn't play, but he didn't like, trust me, trust me. Until you had to be the guy. Until you had to be the guy. Yes, and then he truly trusted you.

And that's the situation, though. He he doesn't really trust a guy that, you know, he's not able to throw to he's got to see it. Teen times practice. You know, he has to see it. He has to do the repetitions with you in order to truly gain your trust. And it doesn't happen overnight. No gains your trust.

And you gain his trust as well, you know, just over time, over time. I would say my situation was when we played the Chicago Bears on the one on one Panther route when I was going in the snow. Yeah, versus Brian Erlacher. And he wanted to gain my trust. He wants to see me be physical. That's what he always emphasized to me. Be fucking physical, Gronk.

You're 260 pounds. You're going versus 180 pounders or linebackers that you're still bigger than. Be physical. And this was the play pan throughout one out run. I run into the end zone, kind of hit the guy with my shoulder, then turn around, and the ball will be right there. Because when you're physical, it pushes the guy back

a little bit. When you use your shoulder, you turn around, then there's that little ounce of separation. And Tom can see that. He can see the field. He can see all the separation in the world. Sees it. He sees it.

He can see every little detail that's going out on the field. And when he sees that little detail in that route, you know, with the physicality, he knows that you're going to be open. There's going to be a little window. I hit Brian Erlack and we practiced it. And that Friday, he says, I want to see that in the game because I ran it great on Friday.

So the game comes when I won versus Brian Erlack. I give him the shoulder, turn right around the balls right there, nice and low where it's always supposed to be in the red zone. Boom, catch it. And ever since then, I gained Tom Brady's trust right there and then on the spot, which was one of the greatest moments of my career.

Yeah, I remember that. It's, you know, he had to see it. That's what makes him, he's a dog, man. He's an assassin. He is an assassin. What's your favorite Tom memory? My favorite Tom memory is, actually, this is one of my favorite memories of all time.

You know, when we were playing the Indianapolis Colts and I ran that five yard out route, caught it, versus Dequale Jackson. I did a little spin move. He kind of fell, did a little split. It was like very great route by me and great after the catch too. And then I'm running, you know, I'm going, there's a couple other guys and here comes Julian Adam in, kaboom! Just absolutely levels Adams to safety, you know, gets him out of my way. I'm like, thanks, Jules, for the block, you know, gets them out of my way. I'm like, thanks Jules for the block. You know, that you jump in. I'm running into the end zone. I jump over Butler. Yeah. DB. Yeah. DB. What's his first name again? Yeah. Darius Butler, who was previously on the, on the Patriots and then he went to the Colts and now he's doing a, he's doing a great job in the media. Yeah. McAfee show. He's doing a great job.

So shout out to Darius Butler. But I jumped over his ass. Made me look good. Flipped into the end zone. I looked like an athletic 180 pound wide receiver. And then this was the moment, one of my favorite moments with him. Tom loved the route, loved the catch, loved your block.

He was so pumped up. He ran full speed from the 30 yard line. And probably because I got him a touchdown on a play where it never should have been a touchdown. And he came running full speed and jumped on my back and went for a ride, man. He was like a pony on a horse, man. I brought him for a ride, man.

I was carrying Tom Brady around in the fricking end zone. He was on my back. He was on my back. Put the pony on the horse. I was waiting for him to drop that quarter in so the ride can keep on going. Yes. I didn't want him to get off. I was like, Tom Brady's on my back. Like, like what else do I need in my life? Oh my God.

Yeah. And it's one of my favorite pictures to sign to this day as well. I don't think he ever signed it. It costs like $5 billion to get him to sign a picture. So like I always sign the picture of him on my back and like I'm waiting for that picture to be worth a lot more money once he signs it a couple, you know, but he hasn't signed it yet. Man, that was a fucking fun play. That was a fun play. Thank you for that block. Oh, you leveled Adams. Adams. He's talking in the he's a good safety. We used to battle. He was with Denver.

He battled. He battled us a lot. A lot. He brought it. He brought it to and he wasn't scared. He was good. Yeah, there it is. There's a picture right there. Oh, wait, it's signed. There it is, man. He's going for a ride. I'm still waiting for those quarters, Tom. Oh, my gosh. There's Tim Wright right in the back, too.

We won the Super Bowl this year, didn't we? And we won the Super Bowl this year. Yeah. Yeah, I think it was. Who man was out was a tight end as well. And Tim Wright and who man? I love who man. Now, what was your favorite memory? Jules? My favorite memory was when

we there, it kind of that 14 when he, uh, we hit that route, he came up to me afterwards and he, and he goes, that was a championship route, man. And like it was nothing crazy. That's special. And he, when he, you know, he, he goes, that was a championship play, man. And then we didn't win the game yet.

You're making me want to tear right now. Him saying that's a championship route, that's a championship play, that means a lot. Yeah. And then afterwards when he, we won, you know, like that was his, that was when he got four. And I just remember, you know, there were so many memories of him, like you said, how he's having the ticker of the Super Bowl location and the whole story where I said, man And I told me he was the greatest quarterback of all time. And, you know, that all that was just a fun memory. There's so it's hard to fucking do one.

All right. I mean, I'm going to start crying. I know me too. There's there's a lot of memories with Tom. It's just great to see him. He's doing so good in the broadcasting booth. I mean, if he just puts in 10% of the effort that he did with the game of football in his after career and his post career after football, he's going to have the whole world just which he know he is to eat from. He's going to be successful in anything that he does. And that's what he's going to do. He's actually going to go 100% all in with what he does.

He's great in the booth. Like I said, he's been improving so much every single week and it just shows he's, he is actually human. I mean, week one, he was good. He got the win, but he definitely could improve. And then all of a sudden week two and three, you're like, what the heck? And how did he just go from being like a rookie quarterback to a veteran quarterback and, and one week in the broadcast booth.

So just shout out to him. I mean, he dedicates himself and he works on his craft like no one ever has before. And that's what makes him the greatest at everything. He cares about making the people look right that give him opportunity. He does. He cares about that.

He takes it to heart. And he cares about showing the people that has passed on him that they fucked up to. That yeah, he loves that. He likes that. So don't ever pass on Tom Brady. No, I won't. The only thing I'll pass on is that I was kind of a little hesitant when I said he was lame, but he was pretty lame, except for when he wins a Super Bowl in Tampa Bay and he gets hammered on a damn boat. Like, where was that fucking Tom around us? That was bullshit.

I was waiting for that the whole entire time in New England. I was too. That's why I went to Tampa Bay. I went there for that moment. I didn't really want to play football again. I just wanted that moment that I could actually get wasted with Dom.

But guess what? He was on a separate boat than me. I didn't even see him at that boat parade. So guess what? I still never had a drink with Tom. It took me all the way until the roast to have a drink with Tom Brady. And that's why it was in the roast.

I said, Tom, I never had a shot with you ever in my life for a drink. And he took a shot with me at the roast. So that was, that was a cool moment. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's been 33 minutes. How long can we talk about this guy? I think maybe we should have them on again for another episode. Cause literally I got, literally I can talk about this guy all day long.

I can go literally two hours. The more we talk about him, the more stories that pop up in my head. The more stories about him on the field, off the field, what it's like to be around him. We could talk literally for four hours straight. Jules, what kind of dude is time? What time of well, what type of dude is Tom Brady? Ladies and gentlemen, I think this is easy. Freak dog whiz. I think this is easy. Freak, dog, whiz.

I think this is easy. Dude, dude. I don't know. What do you think? If it's easy, let's hear it. Let's see why it's easy. He's just a fucking dog. He is a dog.

Mental, physical, toughness, always motivated. He didn't have the pedigree. He was, we saw the Brady six, the six guys before him taken in the draft. Like he always had to go to long road. He always had to work for everything. Even when he was at his top, they were always talking about someone else.

He's a fucking dog. Yeah. I wouldn't say free. Cause a freak is like someone that has like the most athletic ability in the world. And he didn't really have the most athletic ability, but what's made him so great was that he didn't need the athletic ability because the dog was working harder than the athletic dog, you know, that wasn't the freak dog

that really, or the freaky person that wasn't really working. I think he's got, you know what I mean? Freak skill, like shooting, like basically, it's kind of like an archer. Freak instincts. He could throw. Yes. He can like throw rocks really good.

He could probably skip a rock really, really, really. Yes. He probably really get a pool. Yeah. Like ping pong, ping pong. When I see you always beat him. Nevermind. He's not good at ping paddles.

Yeah. He gets really mad when he loses. That's a dog. That is a dog. That's a dog. He wants to go again, though. Wants to go again. He won't let you lose. Wants to go again. He won't let you fucking leave. I mean, we haven't even got to this guy's looks yet either. I mean, we can just say that he's a stud real quick just because of how good he

looks. Yeah. I mean, he looks younger than when he got in the NFL. Like his chins, jawline, fricking just facial. Beautiful blue eyes. He posted a picture the other day on Instagram. He's got like a six pack now. Like his arms are jacked. I mean, he's doing two a day. He is doing two a day.

He's doing two a days right now. He's got his body. So that's why maybe AI was fucking right. Is he coming back? Is Tom Brady coming back? I don't know, he got six pack. He got a little, his hair's looking as brown as ever. He gave me the supplement. He saw my gray hair and he goes,

here, take this fucking Ouisha. I think it's like Ouisha, ou or something. It's some Chinese medicine. And you put it in the shake and My hair is already growing. Is it is my hair darker? That's why I don't have a hat on the show I wanted to show off my hair because I had a we shall product. It's like ooh, I don't know how to pronounce She it's ooh. She ooh Oh, she I got hair. I don't it whatever it is. Look at how good his hair looks. He's just a good looking guy.

Man, he's a dog. All right, he's a dog. He is a dog. It's official. Tom Brady is a dog. Man, we could talk about him forever. We'll be right back after this quick break. The More Better the Merrier, title of your podcast.

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Here we go. AI summary. Oh, we have a coach. Here we go. A.I. summary. Oh, we have a coach here, Jules. Coach? This NFL coach and former player stands at 6 foot 4 inches tall. That's 2 inches shorter than me and weighs 261 pounds. That is 8 pounds less than me, Jules. Oh, versus a 278?

8 pounds less than me. It's 261. It's 261 plus 8. It's 269. Yes, I'm 269. So I'm 8 pounds more That's me. It's 261. 261 plus eight. It's 269. Yes, I'm 269. So I'm eight pounds more than this coach, a versatile linebacker who played for the Pittsburgh Steelers, New England Patriots and Kansas City Chiefs. Wow. Can you guess who this is? Yeah, I know it is. I know it is.

After being drafted in the third round in 1997, 97, he's so old. Iety seven. He's so old. I was like. Eight years old then. I was like 11. He won three Super Bowls with the Patriots and in first team all pro honors in 2007, known for his tough physical play and leadership on the field. Well, that kind of translates to why he's a coach now.

And while also moonlighting as a goal-lying tight end. Goal-lying tight end. More touchdowns than me, I think. In the Super Bowl. But not overall. Growing up in Akron, Ohio. Oh, Jules, he has some roots with you, man. You guys are Ohio guys.

He played college football at the Ohio State University. After retiring as a player, he transitioned to coaching, serving as a head coach in the NFL for six seasons before taking on his current role as a head coach of the New England Patriots. There we go, ladies and gentlemen. And this dude. Let's get on Mike Vrabel.

Mike Vrabel Mike Vrabel ladies and gentlemen Hey Jules, what's the first thing you think of when you hear to name Mike Vrabel first thing that comes to my mind Is just a tough guy. He's just a tough how tough like an actually the first thing comes on mine is an asshole Asshole, you know cuz you just see I mean a an asshole. Asshole. Because he just, I mean. A tough asshole. A tough asshole. Okay, there we go. We never played with Vrabes,

but because of how legendary he was. We've only heard stories. The stories were always about like three people. Vrabel, Brusky, and Izzo. And like Vrabes was always at the helm of these crazy stories That just floated around the Patriots locker room busting balls that comes to my head like I always

You always kind of remember hearing how? Braves would get on to Brady and and Brady would get on Braves and those those wars at practice What's the first thing that comes to your mind? and Brady would get on Vrabes and those those wars at practice. What's the first thing that comes to your mind? Mm hmm. A tough SOB, you know, a football player, a guy that has knowledge of the game as a player and as a coach. And he's from Ohio. And let me tell you, Ohio football is underrated. And you learn a lot about, you know, football and who you are,

you know, as a person as well, when you grow up in the state of Ohio. How do I know that? Because I played my senior year in Pittsburgh and Pittsburgh was a big rival. Just the state of Pennsylvania was a big rival to the state of Ohio. You got the Pittsburgh versus Ohio, you know, whatever that, you know, all star games and all. And just have, you know, just our tough people, tough players come out of, you know, come out of the state of Ohio and Pennsylvania.

They're very similar. They're kind of underrated compared to, you know, you always hear about Florida, California, Texas. All that's where all the stars are. All the tough guys come from, you know, the Upper East, you know, in the U.S. like Ohio, Pennsylvania, New York. But he's he's a football guy. Football. Wait a minute. Wait a minute.

Did you just try to throw New York through New York? Did you just try to sneakily throw New York football in to tough guys? Yeah, because I'm from Buffalo and I went to, you know, like I said, I went to Pittsburgh. I'll let that slide to what I'll let that slide your year. But yeah, Buffalo, they got some tough, tough, so B's here. I'm telling you, they got a, they got me, they got my brother who played in the NFL, my other brother who played in the NFL too.

And yeah, yeah, we're rolling baby. We're rolling, but what stands out to me when we were talking about him the other day, though, is how he was drafted in the third round to the Pittsburgh Steelers. You told me that fact. And it was kind of shocking to me because I thought he was a New England Patriot from day one because of just all the stories that you heard about him,

just the way that he played the game when he was in New England and what he did for, you know, the Patriots as well. So I had absolutely no clue that he got drafted to the Steelers. Can you tell me how that happened as well? How he got to New England? Because you kind of were telling me a little bit. Well, he was a teamer.

I mean, he played in Pittsburgh. I think he was driving 97 was a a teamer. I mean, he played at Pittsburgh. I think he was drafted in 97. Was a special teamer. And then I think once he became a free agent, Bill really wanted him or something. Was that it? Why does Bill have this nag of just finding these white dudes that just want to play football, just work hard,

and they're not so good at the moment. And then he just blossoms them up. I think there's a guy sitting next to me like that. And me too, kind of. That's his project, Nikovic. Nikovic was a long snapper. Welker. Welker.

In Miami. I mean, what was he, just kind of a punt returner? Yeah, but I think he had 70 catches. He had a big year. He had a big year at Miami. Not like a huge year like he had in New England for all those years, but he had a decent, solid year at Miami. Not like a huge year like he had in New England for all those years, but he had a decent, solid year in Miami. No, but yeah, Mike was the guy that.

Bill always used to reference like you think you're smart. You're not no frable like, and that's that's when you know someone's a smart football player is when Bill's referencing him in motherfucking you. You know, like that that was always kind of like one thing that stuck out. And then just hearing from like Jimmy Whalen, the training staff on how variable was in the locker room, like hell core. It was like him and Willie Mack and Brew. Like he there was like the Holy Trinity of guys that everyone had to walk through that kept everyone accountable And I'm really you know I'm pretty excited. I'm excited for this this new generation of Patriots now

With that said I I still think the whole Mayo situation That he got the short end of the stick on this And I feel terrible for him, and I think he's gonna do well but like That really wasn't set up to to really succeed. Not at all. I think it was a little bit unfair, but shout out to Mayo because he's a great coach. He knows the game of football tremendously. And, you know, I just think that it wasn't set up properly for him.

And I feel like he's going to have some success in the future, you know, with another organization and possibly be another head coach down the road. You know, once he gets his foot back on the gas pedal. But variable coming in now like. All this stuff that you hear. Keeping guys accountable, like he's going to be the first to do it, and he can he can get away with saying things to guys the way he says it because he did it.

He played it and he's just as smart as the guys that coached him at it. So like when you have all those things and he's a burly motherfucker, like he's a big man. When you shake his hands, his hands wrapped to your wrist. He's got big ass hands When you shake his hands, his hands wrap to your wrist. He's got big ass hands. He's a large- Man strength. Man strength.

I still think he got four or six plays in him. You think he could play right now? Four or six plays. Yeah, four to six plays. Like you know that offensive package the New England Patriots had for him. And talking about that offensive package, I think he had 10 catches his whole entire career

for 10 touchdowns. So- What a fucking, what a catch to- The ratio from catch to TD is 100% best of all time. Insane. And that's just how smart of a player he was is that he knew how to get open on the offensive side of the ball and then on top of it on the defensive side

of the ball. I mean, just creative and just how good he was just knowing the game. You know what makes me so sad, though? What's sad? Because we What makes you sad? No, you're making me sad. No, it makes me so sad though? What's that because what makes you sad now? You're making me sad

No it makes me sad because We always hear about the stories about Brady when he was like the young guy on the team and how variable and bruski and all These guys used to like mother fuck him and it was and it was a complete and picked on time picked on him It was a completely different Tom that we played with so like we like you couldn't, there was only a couple guys that really could jaw with Tom, but everyone was so scared to do it. And Tom would be hungry to jaw with people, like talk shit. But like everyone was so scared to talk shit to Tom

because he was already Tom by then. You know, like it was, it always makes me like, man, I wish we got to see him in those early stages where you were more kind of part of the boys instead of him being like the older brother Guy figure you understand variable was like that older brother figure to Tom Yeah, and we didn't get to see any of that We got to see the time where he was our older brother and it would have been amazing to be a part of that crew But we're just the second, you know era of the New England Pages

But there were so many times like you said in the second era of the New England Pages. But there are so many times, like you said, in the training room and the coaches that were around variable, like, oh, you would have loved the guy so much. You would have loved to play with him. He gives it all. He gives it his all out on the field.

I mean, he's a guy that you want to be friends with as well in the locker room because he's just fun to be around. But also at the same time, he's going to go all out for you out on the field. I mean, he was a grinder. Yeah, I mean, gritty, great size as a player, and he was an inside, outside threat as a player out there out on the field.

And I think that's why Bill loved him so much because how versatile he was. A special teamer could play inside backer and outside backer. And when Bill gets a guy like that, he utilizes their skill in so many different aspects of the game and he makes you a Tremendous a player and he blossoms you like no other and that's why Bill loves those type of guys when he can get them in free agency 1000% think about it like

He's played on every phase of the game at a high level in a important game. He's been a teamer. So like when he's addressing the team and he's watching fucking the film or having like a highlight thing that he's probably presenting the team, he can break down guy for guy because he's done it at the pro level.

On defense, he knows everything about defense because he basically was in the school of doctorates on the defense through Belichick learning through him and then actually being on the field and Experiencing it is another way he gets to coach guy and then in offense like yeah He was on a package or two But I remember going and going on the other side of the ball when I had to play Corner like even being in those meeting rooms

for the little amount of time that I was, it opened up my mind so differently on how I thought about offense when I went back to offense and how I was attacking the defense. He's done that on offense. So like he can break down the whole game and he's a masculine figure

that's gonna make you do it right. And if you don't, he's gonna motherfucker you, get rid of you. He's gonna make people accountable. That's how it was. The Patriot way that it was developed through these guys. I mean, and just talking about his knowledge of the game and just the mastermind he has within the rule book of the NFL as well.

Remember in the 2019 playoffs, Rabel intentionally took a 12 man on the field penalty just to keep Brady off of the field. I mean, he kind of outplayed Belichick in that situation because Belichick was the master of knowing the rules inside and out and using that to his advantage. And this is a time when Vrabel used it to his advantage and it was against the mastermind, Coach Belichick. So I learned pretty incredible by him to do that. I learned about that little mastermind bullshit is when we went to the Kentucky Derby one year and he fucking was he was my handicapper for the horses.

I made like 20 grand like Vrabel loves like that kind of shit. We were sitting there and I have no clue on how to gamble these horses and raves over here and got his dip in. I think he had a cigarette, maybe a shot or two in them and he's fucking, yeah, he was smoking things with a dip in. I'm not joking. I love this guy now. And we go and we go to the little thing where you have to put your shit in.

And I'm like, raise what I do. He's like, don't worry Edelman. I got you. You know, he fucking puts them on there. We hit it like a, a three thing parlay or something. He's just a smart guy. He's a smart guy that like can beat you up. What's the biggest thing in year one that he has to emphasize in new England? What do you think Jules?

Well, he got to get some linemen. He got to get some linemen. It's a good point right there. He got it. They got a whole lot of money to spend. Now, knowing Mike through the years that I've known him, I'm sure he took this job knowing that he is going to be able to spend some money. He's in a great situation heading into his first year. Obviously, he's got Drake May, who's an unbelievable quarterback.

He's going to develop him to best of his potential. No doubt about that. He was bringing in a OC. I would say Josh McDaniels. I love to see Josh McDaniels go there, but he has to go through the whole process. Maybe he has a guy or two out there that he's thinking about bringing in,

but he's going through all that hiring process interview. I think that'd be great. But Josh McDaniels would be the best fit. Is Josh Josh going anywhere? He ain't he ain't and he loves it there. I believe Josh is one of the best offensive coordinators in the league as well. I mean, he knows how to develop players. He developed help develop me.

He developed you develop Tom put me in the right situations all the time when I was in New England. Knows how to relate to guys as well, which is really good. I mean, you need that, you know, with these young bucks these days. I mean, he made Mac Jones a pro bowler. In his rookie year. And then he left and then ain't no pro bowler

from there on out. No, there hasn't been, hasn't been. I'll contribute all that to, to most of that, to McDaniels. McDee's. McDee's, there hasn't been. Hasn't been. I'll contribute all that to most of that to McDaniels. McDeeze. McDeeze. I like that name. I never heard that. I don't know.

What about Ray Bull? He took Ryan Tannehill out of Miami. Everyone thought he was going to be out of the league. And he basically made him into a pro bowler. Basically got the number one seed in the playoffs and almost made the Super Bowl a couple of years with him, too. So he knows how to develop quarterbacks. He knows how to get the best out of guys because he brings that type of energy, you know, on the field, in the meeting rooms to

get the best out of players. And that's why I hear about Vrabel. And that's why people love playing for him out of the guys that I know in Tennessee. I think he just feels safe when you're around him. I feel safe. I feel like whenever he was, whenever we hang out, we've gone out and done things together. I just feel safe. He's just burly. He, and he's also got the wit and like the strategy to like, if something, some shit were to happen in like a bar

or something, like he'd know an escape route, maybe take down like seven, eight people himself and then get us like You just feel safe with a guy like variable. He's the guy you you want your daughter to marry. I feel I don't know about that All right. Well, I like when you're saying you feel safer. I mean you want your daughter to marry someone that around so Man I'm excited for him.

I'm sad for Mayo. This is really one of those things where, it's like a divorce. New England keeps on putting me in these goddamn divorces. I feel like a kid that's had five divorced parents. What can you explain more? Well, when Bill Brady, that divorce. Oh, yeah.

Now, you know, Mayo, freaking Vraibs, that divorce. There's like fucking hella, because we're all like intertwined and it's kind of like incestual. You're kind of like the redheaded stepchild that's just been there throughout the whole time. That's just takes all the beatings. But in the end, you're gonna still be standing there.

Make it tough. It does make you tough. Makes you tough. Man. That's why you're the toughest guy I know, Jules. Also, I'd be crazy to say that, yeah, our last game with Tom Brady, Vrabel beat us. That's why Vrabel's back.

That's why he's back. If he didn't win that game. And I have his why he's back. If he didn't win that game. And I have his cleats over there. If he didn't win that game, he might not be back. He might not be the head coach of the New England Patriots. Yeah, maybe he wouldn't. Cause maybe he. He sent Tom Brady packing

in his last game as a New England Patriot. That's probably his greatest, like. That's probably what he said, the first line in the interview. Did he say that? No, I'm just saying I would. But, hey, Mr. Craft, who sent Tom packing? I bet you he said that. I did, hire me.

I bet you, hire me now. Braves has no filter where he probably would say shit like that. He's the only player to have two touchdowns and a sack in a game, offense and defense. I mean, his versatility. Is there any other coach out there that you think could beat up Rabel?

I think a good fight would be Dan Campbell and him. Oh, that's a good point. But, I'm taking Vrabes because Vrabes DN. Campbell, he was a tight end. Yeah, so what? What are you saying about tight ends, Jules? They're just not that tough. They're not as tough as DNs, I agree with you. You're a one of one, bro. You're a one of one. Tight ends ain't as tough as D-ends. And D-ends are beastly, man. D-ends are huge.

You gotta be fearless as a D-end. The Meekle Ryans, he could be in there. They all say McDermott is like a wrestler. He could be. But I think Vraibs is a wrestler, too. And Vraibs used to go against fucking Steve Neil all the time, which Steve Neil was winning in the first two years of the game.

And he was like, I'm gonna go with him. I'm gonna go could be. I go Iowa, but I think Vrabes is a wrestler too. And Vrabes used to go against fucking Steve Neil all the time, which Steve Neil was world champion. So Vrabes already got a little in on that. So I think Vrabes has taken, it's just weight class on McDermott. He may have the skill technique, but Vrabel would swallow him.

Oh shit. What kind of dude is Mike Vrabel? I mean, he's stud, no doubt about it. His football IQ's up there, the pedigree. He's also a wizard. He does look like. Like every position. He also has the best chin. He does. I mean, he's got the best chin in football, other than like the coach coward.

That's being a stud. Having nice chins of stud. 1000%, like he looks like the Ohio guy. When you put Ohio guy in dictionary for like recruit, it's like big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big. He's taking that. Having nice chins is stud. 1000%. Like he looks like the Ohio guy. When you put Ohio guy in dictionary for like recruit, it's like big white guy, big chin, looks like Mustafa from fucking Beauty and the Beast.

Yeah. I never seen Beauty and the Beast. Or is that one? Sorry, I don't know. Gustaf. You know? Gustaf or something, yeah. don't know. Gustav. You know? Gustav or something. Yeah.

Never seen it. Freak. I mean, he had like man strength. That's what everyone always talked about, his man strength. Dog. He's definitely a dog. No doubt. He could be a Wiz though.

I was thinking Wiz. I was going to go with Wiz. I mean, just how clutch he was in situations and just how knowledgeable he was in the defense side of the ball and then playing offense. He's a dude's dude in the Patriot world, like in Bizarro world, which is not really like everywhere else where like being an asshole and bullying

is like being positive there. So, you know, that's positive because it makes you accountable. So I wouldn't put him in the overall category of dudes do. there. So that's positive because it makes you accountable. So I wouldn't put him in the overall category of dudes do. I would go on three. What do you think? One, go on three, one, two, three ways. He's definitely a whiz.

I mean, special teamer knows that game inside and out defense. I mean, clearly play defense was one of the best out there, one of the toughest, and then knew what to do on the offense side of the ball too. He's a whiz. And then also, he's a whiz. The fucking Bella Checking the Bella Check with the timeouts. With the 12 men on the field. The 12 men on the field. To keep Brady off the field. You know, so. Wizard. He's a whiz. Next, our next guest though. I think we should go over to the Alabama side. Yeah, we're fair.

We're fair, we're very fair. This guy though was never fair on a goal line play or he was never fair on a second and 10 in the Super Bowl or second and goal in the Super Bowl where he had to make a life changing play to create and tackle Marshawn Lynch. This guy had the hugest calves I've ever seen. Next guest, Dante Hightower.

Dante, I mean Dante Hightower. Dante Hightower. Julian, even I know it's Dante. I'll get into it after AI. And what does AI have to say about Dante? Cause we know him. Is the AI synopsis. Obviously, I'm improving my speaking skills

because I couldn't say synopsis on our very first episode, Julian. And now I can. So this is what's so great about dudes on dudes is that we're getting smarter as well, being complete dudes overall. Synopsis. Synopsis.

All right, here we go. The synopsis on Dante Hightower. I'm going to use that this week in Fox. He's a former NFL linebacker. Start the clock. Dante Hightower is a former NFL linebacker known for his leadership and versatility on the field. A two-time Pro Bowler, Hightower played his entire nine-year NFL career with the New England Patriots, the same amount of years I played with the New England Patriots, nine. Helping the team win three Super Bowl titles, just like myself, helping the New England Patriots nine helping the team win three Super Bowl titles just like myself helping the New England Patriots win three Super Bowl

titles I love this guy already prior to his NFL career he was a standout at the University of Alabama where he was a key figure and winning two BCS national championships this freaking guy is a winner that's all I know five championships at the highest level two in college three in the NFL over what over a 1314 year period that we ridiculous winner winner chicken dinner. That's for sure born and raised in Lewisburg, Tennessee Oh The the Vols must not like them. I know that's crazy See Wow, maybe he didn't want to go to Mayo's footsteps.

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Oh! Shots fired. All right. Hightower was known for his high football IQ and relentless work ethic. After retiring in 2022, Hightower joined the Patriots coaching staff while also pursuing business ventures, spending time with his family and engaging in charitable work, earning admiration for his calm and thoughtful demeanor off the field.

Oh, that's my guy. He is calm and does have that demeanor of being relaxed, but he will rip your fricking head off. Face off. He'll break your arm off. What's the first thing that comes to mind when you think about Dante? I'm scared of Dante Hightower, but the first thing that comes to mind right now

is I'm looking at the picture of him in high school and he looks exactly like Matthew Slater, but with big ears, like elf ears. So if you can put that up, please, and show everyone. He was Matthew Slater in high school without fears I just looking at the picture pretty pretty Slate dog More shots fired our former teammates pew pew. We love shooting shots at our former teammates, please shoot them back. We appreciate

Niko Niko Niko, there's one guy who can't handle our shots fired. I don't think of it. This is about Dante Yeah, but that the high tower was such a better linebacker than think Niko, Niko, Niko. There's one guy who can't handle our shots fired. I don't think of it. This is about Dante. This is about Dante. Yeah, but Dante Hightower was such a better linebacker than Niko. He can handle our fire. Yeah. He can handle our shots. There's both linebackers, but all right, back to Dante.

All right, here's my story. This guy I was scared of, actually. He was what? First round pick, New England pace. He's like top 15 or something. And when you have a linebacker that's 25th, six, what is he? Six four, six three, you know, two sixty, two sixty and can move like he's a little guy. I'm scared of those guys. You want to know why? Because they got that leverage. He's not a

little guy. You're just massive. No, I'm scared of those. He's fucking huge. I don't know why I said little guy. I'm scared of those big guys that are in the frame. Wide. Of six, you know, one to six, four and are wide as well, like you just said, because they got that leverage and they can get underneath me. And then that's when I lose.

And I don't like that, you will see. I got to outsmart these guys. So with Dante, I had to try to outsmart him on the football field when going versus him in practice. And that was just to not get touched by him, you know, try to run away from him because he was always going to win versus me and camp. I was a rookie. I was coming off that ankle injury.

I wasn't a rookie. He was a rookie. I was coming off that ankle injury when, you know, that guy in Baltimore broke my ankle. Pollard. Pollard. Yeah, very, very mean. Guy's a patriot killer. So I didn't really heal that well that whole year. I was at South Padre Island, spring break, my cast and everything. Came back. I pretended my ankle was good. It really wasn't, you know.

But don't tell Bill. I won't tell. Don't listen to that, okay? You've done things like that too, Jules. So that's going to make me feel better just saying that. But I can't get open. I'm not doing this well in training camp. My back's starting to go out of me because I'm compensating.

I'm just making excuses right now why Dante, you know, dominated me when he was a rookie. But this guy, when they're that wide, they're built that strong, you could just tell he had that presence of, yo, I ain't gonna move that guy. No one's really gonna move that guy being 6'3", 260 pounds. And I accidentally like caught him one time running around. I tried going around him and like we caught like shoulders or something. I can't exactly pinpoint what it was. And like it was kind of like a cheap shot on him. But it was totally accidental. And I get. Yeah, it wasn't a chip. It was like he was at the linebacker position, kind of stepping up for the run. And kind of ran into I think I kind of face massed him or something.

And then like yanked it a little bit. He turned around and he was furious. He was vicious. And I was like, oh, man, he took it to a whole another level. The next play versus me and I literally learned I will never piss off Dante Hightower ever again. And you got to piss. You must have just said I'm crazy because I never really seen him pissed off.

Yeah, he was mad, man. He was mad. You guys are freak. You can't really block him in the run game. You can't really stop him in the pass game either if he's rushing at you because he can move so well, he's rushing at you because he can move so well, he can get around you or he can bowl rush you. So the guy, man,

freak of an athlete, no doubt about that. And I swear, if you go to a barbecue with him, he'll eat like 15 pounds of like ribeye steak and brisket burgers. Where'd you see him? I mean, whenever at those team

outings that we have and like it turns in the muscle, right? It's straight muscle we have. And like it turns in the muscle. It's straight muscle. Yeah, like you know how the Wolverine character or whatever, and like the Hawk, like they just, you know, in those movies, like whatever they do, they just, you know, turn into the creature that they are. Like that's what he did when he ate that food. He just turned into Dante Hightower.

Dude, I mean, his nickname was Zeus, which is like huge, huge Greek. I remember like really he was a rookie and I was already telling him that he's gonna sign a hundred million dollar deal at the middle linebacker position. Did you? Yeah. How'd you know?

Because I was facing versus him. I'm like, this guy freaking good. He good, he can move, cover, can stop the run. He can do it all. I mean- And he's scary. He looks like the predator out there because he has dreads like early in his career. He didn't, but when he got dreads

and you're that big and wide, Dante looks like he has two houses for calves. His calves are so damn big. He has the largest calf. I used to tell him that every day I walked by, when he'd be in his sandals, we'd be walking by each other in the hallway. I see his calf.

I'm like, bro, can you fucking ease up on the calf raises? Jesus Christ. It wasn't the calf raises, it was the brisket. It was probably the brisket. That would just go right to his calf. Right to, it would just, whoop! Right to his calf. And Dante was a smart-ass football player.

Smart. Very smart football player. And I remember going to his house once, and I walked over there and and he like you said he just like a he's a quiet He's kind of quiet, but he's vicious And I go to his house. I'm like is that a fucking video game station with keyboard and mouse Dante Hightower's a keyboard guy in the video games. I go what the fuck is this bro? He goes what bro you never you know He he's like a whiz he's a fucking whiz this guy

He's insane on Call of Duty 2 don't don't let him don't let him trick you and think he's not he's a fucking gamer He used to he was really good. Well. That's why he's a football coach now for the New England Patriots Oh Paul cuz you got to be smart. You got to be a whiz in order to be a coach. How you think he's doing in coaching? I feel like he's doing fine. How you think they're feeling over there? I feel like Dante's always feeling good, man.

He's never down. He's an even keel guy. He is, man. He really is. He's he's the guy that had the ultimate pass from Bill Belichick. He always had. That's how scary he was. Coach was even scared of him. I don't think coach is scared of him. Coach loved him. He wasn't scared of him.

He loved him because he was he was a well built football player and he played the game how it should be played. They'll always love the guys. Yeah, he did. We're offense. That's why we never got love. Jules, who else had the bill pass? Basically, on the day we used to call Mayo, Mayo had that pass.

He could do whatever he wanted to do and build. That's fine. You know, Devon Belichick McCordy. I mean, that's one of his sons. I think that's his actual middle name now. Who else was another one in pass? We mean like, you know, if they didn't want to practice or if like they're, you know, hamstring was a little sore, they'd be like, oh coach, I can't, I can't go to the coach. But no problem. Just hang out in the training room and get it rubbed on, you know?

No, I was thinking more of the past. You know how Bill's been over here testing the guys around his show? Like, hey, who's this guy? Who's that guy? Well, for the offense, he'd be like, hey, Rob, Hey, who's this guy? Who's that guy? Well, for the offense, he'd be like, Hey, Rob, what's the exotic front of the defense that you expect to see on third and two? And Rob's sitting there like going through,

oh, what the fuck? Hey, Devin, what color is the offense that we're playing if they're at home? Green, yes, good job, Devin. Like that's the pass we're talking about. like whatever you give a question to like the defensive line Like do these guys like to run the ball or pass the ball? They got Derek Henry. I'm like Coach I'm on offense. I think they like to run the ball

to run the ball. God. Hey, Edelman, what is the punter? What school did he go? I mean, that's that's the past we're talking about. And Dante got that bill of Dante and it was deserving. Dante was he was one of the Alphas. He sat in the Teddy Bruce Key locker. When you walked into the I think it was either the Teddy Bruce Key or the the Willie Mack locker.

They'd always put those two guys in because when you had to walk in the locker and you had to walk by those guys, he was one of those guys. I mean, he was he was a great teammate. Where would you rank him as an all time, you know, Patriot player on the defensive side of the ball? I mean, he's got to be up there. I mean, we wouldn't have the Super Bowl if he didn't make that second down that second down goal line.

But that's very true. What you said, we would have never won that Super Bowl. That Malcolm Butler catch would have never happened because Marshawn Lynch would have scored already. And everyone talks about, hey, why didn't Marshawn Lynch get, you know, the handoff or why didn't they hand off the ball? Well, it was a play prior to that, wasn't it? Yeah. Wasn't it the exact play before? Well, Marshawn Lynch did have the ball.

And what happened one on one with Dante Hightower? And you never seen Marshawn Lynch never have the ball and what happened one-on-one with Dante Hightower and you never seen Marshawn Lynch Never go down ever one on one on one and literally Dante Hightower is the only guy that can You know possibly do that and he knocked him right down and he stopped him in Order to the next play in order to get to the next play that Malcolm Butler had that interception So they already gave it to Marshawn Lynch to have that chance to score. So without Dante Hightower, we would have never had that, you know, first Super Bowl in New England, no doubt about it. And then another big play that he has had, you know, in his career

was that Strip Sack in the game that unfortunately I didn't play in because my back got blown out when I went up the scene because Tom threw me up to Seam earlier that year. And then I got leveled and lost a long in the back and I still came back the next year. But yeah, and that Super Bowl versus Atlanta, that strip sack man, just continue the domination of the comeback. That was an incredible play. He comes through in the clutch at all times.

I still who blew your back out? Earl Thomas. We're not going that deep about who blew my back out. It was it was a dude, though. It was a dude. His name was Earl Thomas. He's a torpedo. Yeah, torpedo. What was a big play that you can recall? The guy always had a big play when the team needed it.

I mean, you go back into college and the national championship. You had a strip sack. That's the kind of player Dante was. Fucking when your team needed a big I mean, you go back into college and the national championship, you had a strip sack. That's the kind of player Dante was. Fucking, when your team needed a big play, a big moment, he was super versatile. I remember him, he'd be middle linebacker and we'd put him at defensive end sometimes because he could rush a passer.

Like, he just was big time player to make big time plays. That is a huge contribution. Why I have three Super Bowl rings, you have four. That's a huge part of it. I mean, we wouldn't have been there without him. You know, I'd always call him, if you see how his name's spelled, it's don't A with apostrophe.

And so I used to call him Donta. Very technical that is. No, I used to call him A Donta and not locker room. He'd go, Jules, don't you fucking call me Donta. I go, why not Donta? Jules, don't you fucking call me Dante. I go, why not Dante? He goes, because if you fucking call me all these white people out here in Boston, they're going to be calling me Dante.

Don't you fucking call me Dante. My name is Dante. I'm like, all right, Dante. Jules, Jules, even I knew it was Dante. I know. You must have had a bad day. You must have had a pretty day. You must have had a bad day. I knew it was Dante. I knew it was Dante.

I just wanted to call him Dante to make fun of him. Time. Well what kind of dude is he? What kind of dude is Dante? I mean Dante. Now you're getting me on that freaking wrong path. Whatever you do, if you see Dante, do not call him Dante. He'll get really mad at you.

And he'll blame it on me. He'll fucking blame it on Dante, do not call him Dante. He'll get really mad at you and he'll blame it on me. He'll fucking blame it on me. Don't call him Dante. What kind of dude is Dante? I mean, he's he looks like a goddamn stud. He does look like a stud. He's a freak, too. I mean, he's got house for calves.

I feel like he's he hits. He's a dog categories. He's a dude's dude. He's a dude. And he's always. Yeah. He hits them all on three. Let's a dog. He's a dog. He's a dog. He's a dog. He's a dog. He's a dog. He's a dog. He's a dog.

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And like he was a first round linebacker. He had a lot of hype coming in and he backed up all the hype. He did. You know what I mean? He's a I mean, he's a freak, too. I mean, he made big plays in big situations. He's got a pedigree. He's got football IQ and he looks like a Greek God.

But making big plays in a big game is a whiz, Jules, because he knew when to make that play, the turn it around for the team. Does that make sense? Yeah, he is like a. But I would I would say though, we're trying to categorize it into what like he most represents. A wiz is a guy that doesn't have the freak abilities and they get through because they're so smart and they're not getting through because they're a freak or a stud. So that's how you become a true Wiz.

So therefore he was getting through as a freak and a stud and a dog. So he can't technically be a Wiz because being a Wiz didn't really lead him to where he needs to be. Maybe now as a coach. Going back to that, I'm gonna have to categorize him as a stud or a freak.

So let's go back at it again and try again ready one two three stud for sure a stud 100% he saw his calves you just it would scream stud let's get on Vince will fork big dog Vince well for big V oh my god Will Fork. Big dog. Vince Wellford. Big V. Oh my God. I wonder why it was something. Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving is his favorite holiday I bet. Start the clock. What's AI gotta say? Vince Wellford standing at six foot two and weighing around 325 pounds played as a dominant

nose tackle in the NFL. 325? Primarily, I think he was like 350 at one point. 360. Primarily played for the New England Patriots and later for the Houston Texans. He was a big guy. He was a big guy. He was a big guy.

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Growing up in Boytown Beach, Florida. I think so, Boytown. Boytown. Boytown Beach, Florida. Welfork was a track and field standout before switching to football at the University of Miami. Selected 21st overall in the 2004 draft. He was known for his strength, size, and ability to stuff the run, often drawing double teams and anchoring

defenses with his power and skill. Over his career, Wolf Fork recorded 560 tackles, 16 sacks and three interceptions, earning two Super Bowl championships, five Pro Bowl selections, and a reputation as one of the best defense tackles of his era. Known for his charisma and a love for barbecue, he has remained He's the biggest guy so far we've been talking about. He's about 365 pounds. I think they got it, got it wrong there. This guy can eat a lot of meat. He's got a lot of fat. He's got a lot of fat. He's got a lot of fat.

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He's got a lot of fat. He's got a lot of fat. He's got a lot of fat. He's got a lot of fat. He's got a lot of fat. He's the biggest guy so far we've been talking about. He's about 365 pounds. I think they got it. Got it wrong there. This guy can eat you up, man. He's lost a lot of weight now. He sure has. He looks really good, man. He really good. It looks good on him.

It's just sad that, you know, he's not coming back, though. You know, because every good player, you always have that imagination that they're going to come back. He never he he always thought V could, I think V could still play. You just have that thought about him. What's the first thing that comes to your mind when you think about big V? The barbecues, you know, he came out with his own barbecue sauce. I'm pretty sure Mr. Kraft used to have that team get together, team bonding at his house in the Cape. After you made the team, it was right at the end of August. What, what. It was right at the end of August. What holiday is that right at the end of August?

Labor Day. Yeah, Labor Day. Yep. And it was Labor Day week and we would all go up there and there'd be ribs or be, you know, steaks. And then here comes Big V coming through and he'd bring his own barbecue sauce every single year. And I wouldn't eat those ribs or the soreness or, you know, the burger meat until that barbecue sauce got there. And once big V showed up, hey, big V

pass that sauce over, buddy. Yeah. He loved it too, man. He loved being known about that sauce. And he just loved just the atmosphere around a cookout for, I was fortunate enough to get invited to one of his cookouts.

He smoked some ribs. He was in some big ass overalls with no shirt, smoking ribs. He just looks at home when he's on a barbecue. He looks like that's, he's at home. The first, I remember when I was a rookie. He's comfortable. That's just comfort zone for him.

It is. I remember my rookie year, my welcome to the NFL moment was like, I was rolling in like my my Toyota rental and I park it in the way back of the players lot. And all of a sudden, there's this fucking huge semi. A fucking semi truck rolls in and parks up right in the front and takes like two damn spots, backs in.

Backs in this big ass orange semi truck. It's fucking Vince's daily driver. Vince had like a huge semi truck daily driver. He gets out of that thing and it looked just like him in front of the barbecue, just a comfort zone for him. Just a big ass dude getting out of a big ass truck. Big V was just fucking so cool. That was like my first welcome to the NFL.

I was like, holy shit. I didn't know you could buy semi trucks. Well, speaking of welcome to the NFL, he gave me my welcome to the NFL dosage of a hit when training camp rookie year. You know, the Wham block. What's the Wham block? Explain where they let go.

The guy let go. Let's just defense a tackle free. So then he thinks he's going to go get a sack. And then a Wham block is when I come across the line of scrimmage at the tight end position when I'm off the ball and I'm the one that goes and I wham the defensive tackle and try to block them. Like a trap for the tight end. There you go.

Exactly. And we're trapping the defensive tackle. So he knows it's coming. I mean, this is a specialty play that the New England Patriots been running. Nine on seven. They know the fucking script. Well, well before me. Yeah, this is a specialty play that the New England Patriots been running nine on seven. They know the fucking script well, well before me. Yeah, it is.

It was it was a nine on seven. So, yeah, defense does know the script so they can look really good in the run game throughout that whole period. And I think they also told them this play was coming being specifically knowing

I'm going to block Vince and they wanted to see my toughness as a rookie. So the place called I'm in full pass. You know, I'm like a black fence and they wanted to see my toughness as a rookie so the players call I'm in full paths You know, I'm like a Wham block. I got to show my toughness. I got to show my keeps I got to get the respect of my fellow teammates, especially the veterans Oh, they pay the pitcher also Rob's a rookie here V was like the big dog on campus in practice No one really gets close to him because you don't want to piss him off when you're new.

You know, he's like, holy shit, is that a, that is a large human being. He's like so big. I think there's like something that orbits him. Like on how round he is. Like that's, you didn't want to get in his way. You didn't want to piss him off because he was very intimidating.

Get back to your story. So the play, you know, gets on its way. I do my little two, you know, two side steps, you know, on the motion. I'm running full speed right at Vince Wulford. This guy peeks over to his left. He sees me coming. He has this grin on his face, knowing I was coming. He put his shoulder down. I'm going full speed at him. And he gets that leverage and just tease off on me. I went flying backwards five to six yards.

I didn't even land on my back. He sent me flying in the air where I landed on my feet still. Oh, my God. Yeah. And that hit hurt like a mother effort. But what's cool is I gained the respect of my teammates and my

coach at that time, tight end coach in that meeting that day when we went and reviewed the players. Brian Farrance. Love you Brian Farrance. He's now at Iowa with his dad doing you know doing his thing doing a good job. He goes, yo what were you thinking trying to block Vince Wolf work? He goes, you're never gonna do that again. I go, thank you. Thank you. I go, I'll never do it again. And ever since that day, you know, we had about five more of those calls and I just go up to him. I hug him. I didn't need to try to block him. It was just only going to get me hurt from there on out.

Yeah. I just give him a hug like this. No, no, it's the way I'm black man. I know you're going to beat me like this. There's no reason to go through this motion of me getting thrown backwards again. Oh, my God. I'm going to break a rib. He's so he's so strong. I know you love your ribs and you're gonna you know, you'll probably eat them. Yeah. Enjoy them after with your barbecue sauce, buddy. Oh, my. That had to be so terrifying. It was well at that time it was he's an intimidating guy. When you join the team to terrifying after that, because I was trying to, you know, gainer my keeps man.

Like I was trying to prove myself. So I didn't care who was in my way. And then I learned I do care who's in my way. Yeah. When it comes down to the NFL, you got to. That's when you learn on when to, you know, take your shots at someone. One not to one to block someone hard, one to kind of like just brother in law. Box someone out as well, instead of trying to hit them full speed. You hit them full speed heads up.

They you know, they're way bigger than you. This is when you start learning the ins and outs. And that's one ins and now I learned big time. Freaking V. And he was so quick to like that's what people don't realize. Like they just surprisingly quick because of how big he was. Yeah. And his feet, fast feet, man. He was kind of like a running back, that pitter patter. He's like, well, well, big burp right there, Jules.

Wow. Is the barbecue I ate from five years ago with Big Vance is still coming out. We ate that much. I tasted that barbecue sauce right there. I was good. But his feet were surprising. Clicky was like a bum bum bum. He was a rabbit out there. I remember always going in the weight room and you go over by like the kettlebells and like the arm bars and stuff. And there would always be a shock put there. Remember him? You ever see him shock put?

And I never have. Oh, my God. He can fuck a shot. He was a fucking track star. I think he had like the state record. He had insane strength, too. I remember like he wouldn't go in the weight room to just like warm up, you know, do 315 like five. He would just go in the weight room just to, you know, do 315 like five. He would just go in the weight room just to, you know, maintain his strength. And he would just walk in.

And I remember him just throwing up like 425 pounds in the bench and just tossing it up, then racking and be like, I'm done for the day. Yeah. Like he didn't even need to work on his strength that much because he was just that strong naturally. And like it was to a whole nother level. Yeah, I remember seeing him in the weight room too. Like Marcus Cannon, when he would work out, the weights would bend. He was just so strong and he had always great movement.

Like he was very, he was very skillful, like fluid, fluid. Like when you watch Big V throw a football, he looks like he spins a ball really well You see him hit a golf ball. He fucking has an unbelievable golf swing I mean the guy is so athletic he used to return punts in high school Like I remember, you know Bill always every training camp when it's getting to like day 9 10 Guys are worn down beat up mentally physically emotionally exhausted He'd always have a big lineman come in and try to catch a punt. And if you caught punch, you'd have the night off.

He threw V up there and it looked too fucking easy. I think he won and snagged that thing. He was he was so athletic. He could have played fullback. I swear he could play running back and get gained some yards before going down. Tied and he could definitely play. I heard him talking about this, too, as end. He could definitely play. I heard him talking about this too, as well. He could play defensive end, obviously, anywhere on the defensive line.

And he like you said, quarterback as well. He had an arm. He loved being, you know, before practice was going on, you know, before we get really got into it, he'd be chucking the ball, you know, to to his fellow defensive players. Yes. Having a good old time. He was just so disruptive as well. And he was kind of like the two gap God when he was, you know, on that defensive line and that be able to take two gaps.

You know how much that frees that linebacker? That's a linebacker's best friend right there. Vince Wolf, 100%. I mean, Gerard Mayo, Dante, high tower, Jamie, they all love them. They all do. And I was like, they love guys that take double teams, lets you get to that fucking boom, got him. Big V just sit, Big V has so many stats.

He had so much production for the amount of stats he had. Cause he had such hidden things that made plays go. It was unblockable. And you take two double teams, they can never get the guy to the second level. Like he just was fucking a monster. And we wanted to talk about him on this show specifically because what is he known for on Thanksgiving Jules?

He's the one that created the butt fumble. The freaking butt fumble. The forcer, the generator of the butt fumble versus the New York Jets, our Sanchez. Oh, my God. And he did that before. Like he it's where he gets so much penetration. He drives his guy back so far that it hit the quarterback

with the guy that he was driving backs. But that made him fumble the football and Steve Gregory scooped score in his home area of New Jersey, which was just a fucking crazy game. That comes to my mind when I think of Vince of some of his crazy story. But also remember when we were in Buffalo and he read out the receiver screen. Hold on, what was he rewarded with though after the butt fumble? He had the turkey.

On the post game. He had the turkey leg. He had the turkey leg. He ate that. He was rewarded with a turkey leg during the post game for his contribution to the butt fumble. And he ate that thing. He ate it all.

Not surprised. So what was it that you're talking about in Buffalo? Remember in Buffalo where they had that receiver screen and V read it and he was full speed and a receiver was full speed not seeing him. And it looked like if a semi hit like one of those little smart cars. Oh my gosh.

This was the receiver. Like he was up, he was up and then, like your finger just got bent backwards and matter of a split second, that looked like the receiver right there. It's not even that. It's not even the mass. Imagine if he fell on you going that fast.

Well, he squished you like a bug. Like a fucking bug. I bet you got his wind. It just fly out of the air and it just explodes everywhere. That's kind of what happened to the Bill's wide receiver. And you always. He flattened him.

No, it was, that's a terrifying hit. That's kind of what happened to the Bill's wide receiver. And you always- He flattened them. No, that's a terrifying hit. That was a terrifying hit. There's a lot of big hits that you see, you're like, all right, you can withstand that. But it's straight physics. When you got mass times velocity, you get force. You get fucking force.

And that's what big V was. I don't know if that's right for you. Physics people get us in there. But then also what about what about his his interceptions? We're talking big plays here. I mean, he had that that pick versus Phillip Rivers at home in Gillette Stadium when he was at another screen or he was just I think he was. No, it got tipped or something. Yeah.

Did he tip it? Did he tip it? Yeah, he tipped it to himself. He showed ball skills right there and then you saw your fast feet Yes, and then he started just you know trucking down the field like a rabbit with his fast feet He looked nimble and he looked agile and just rumbling down the field. I don't think anyone in the world that watched that play Anyone in the world didn't want that big man to score. When a big man has that, because the ball looked like a fucking,

like a paper towel in his armpit. A loafer breath. A loafer breath. I mean, it looks- Pumpernickel. Pumpernickel. It looks so small and he's like running it and like everyone is just sitting there like,

look at the big big Reminds me member calmly also did that and they kick off return. Oh, yeah It's Packers. That was cool, too I love boom big man get to make sure or score a touchdown or tug red zone a soldier Everyone loves it man. Yeah soldier had that one the Ted He was like the Lions are doing a lot of lions are doing it We're speaking of Thanksgiving teams, Lions in there. You know, don't don't not expect.

A trick play to alignment this Thanksgiving from the Detroit Lions. I mean, more fake punt. You're going to you're going to there's going to be something like that. We talked about on this show a few weeks back, Titan University Day or Happy Titan Day, what is called National Titan Day? National Titan Day. There's got to be a national big guy touchdown day weeks back, tight end university day or happy tight end day. What is it called? National tight end day? National tight end day. There's gotta be a national big guy touchdown day

or a big guy catch day. It just needs to be national big. And like, it's a rule in the NFL book that you have to at least run one tackle eligible play. One tackle eligible. The guy has to be over 275 pounds, 285 pounds has to touch a football on one specific day, National Big Fat Guy Day.

I like that. That's what I think we- I like that. Who's gonna start it? I think we need Big V. Yeah, Big V, come on, let's go. You remember the butt fumble game? I remember watching it the next day in meetings.

Bill rewinded it like four or five times, barely said anything and then like got up and talked and he said, the Jets got exactly what they deserve. Like did something like one of those. You know what I mean? Do you remember that? I actually was hurt that year, Jules. So I was at home just watching it from my couch,

just enjoying my Thanksgiving. And I just remember that play happening. I was shocked, right, because we were already dominating that dominant dominant in them. It wasn't even a close game at all. And just when that happened, I was giggling to myself like, what a play. I never seen anything like that. And I was screaming, too, because Gregory just scooped it. Like it just didn't happen a butt fumble.

And directly into his hands. No, directly on the ground and directly into Gregory's hands. Yeah. But it went to the end zone of the Patriots as well. We got six points out of it. I it's like it doesn't happen usually. Usually like a play like that, you know, usually someone just gets on and it's a fumble recovery.

It went to the house. We scored on it. Now, how do you think Sanchez or Sanchito feels about that? I mean, Sanchez is a good dude. He's a goofy dude. He's goofy. So I think he kind of likes it. I think he does like it.

I think he owns it. Yeah, he does own it for sure. I heard him referencing one of his. He'll giggle about it for sure. It's kind of like the Miami Miracle. I own that place. Yeah. It's kind of like the butt fumble with Sanchez. I mean, it's okay. I mean, it happens. It's kind of like the 2004 or 2002 frost off championship between the Bay

Division Ocean Division. You know, I gave this interception away and they won it on it. It's kind of like you own it now. Fucking me. I'll never own it. It's bullshit. It's OK, Jules.

One day you own it. You'll get over it. It's OK, man. We're here. We're here. We're here. We're here. We're here. never own it. It's bullshit. It's OK, Jules. One day you own it.

You'll get over it. It's OK, man. We're here for it. Just be thankful for other things and then you'll get over that. You know what I'm also thankful for? What are you thankful for? That we were a part of probably two of the craziest play calls in the history of football. One, the butt fumble. Yes. What's more embarrassing, the butt fumble?

Or do you remember when the Colts had that stupid punt formation that they tried on? That was sad. What was the down and what was the fourth and two? And they were trying to get us on a trick. I think more than four. It was a weird formation. They had like everyone spread out wide. And then the center was down in distance.

And then there was a running back behind the center or something. And then they hiked it and everyone was in like in shock. Like, what the heck is possibly going on? Has and that's the only reason I bring this up is because the same shock factor that we had that like did that. But just make that fumble. And then we scored a touchdown. That same shock factor is the same shock factor we had

when they did this punt formation thing. Did he really hike the ball? I'm not a math guy, but three on one. I'm looking at the Colts sideline right here after the play. Are you fucking serious? What is this? Like this is a national football league. And they're only down by six in the third quarter.

I don't know. That's the cult for you. That was that was worse. So in the buff. Yeah, because the ball was made through force and gravity. Exactly. The butt fumble was made by Vince in that fucking three hundred and twenty five pound frame. Twenty five pound frame, 25 pound frame, taking his matchup and driving him into the fucking, I'm flabbergasted, I didn't realize

we were gonna get into that play. I think they rose the banner that year. That's why I never lost to the Colts. Was that the banner year or they rose the banner? Still never lost to the Colts. Did we ever lose to the Colts? I did in 2009. That was 2009. In a fourth and two. It wasn't there yet, so it doesn't count. Did we ever lose to the Colts? I did in 2009. That was 2009. In fourth and two.

Yeah, so it doesn't count. How about the big boy on body issues? I mean, he's not like, it looks like muscle. It is muscle. That's why I love the ESPN, the body issue, because they featured everyone. Yeah, it's cool to see. And they were just showing how the statue of the body represented The statue. Yes. How the statue of the body. Oh, yeah. Representing all different types of athletes,

you know, from a guy that played tackle to a wide receiver, to myself. Right there. Young ronk. You want to know the running joke was about me? I'm being on the body issue cover. What was that? The circle was really small that they needed to use. What circle? The cover me up. Yeah. You know what? I didn't they tell you it was going to be a small set like there's

not going to be a lot of people there. There really wasn't. There's probably like five, five to six. How many people were on your side? I feel like there's 30 in mind. Really? 30. I wanted to see you, Jules. You're a good looking guy. You know, I think a wonderful body.

Now, how did the how did the the football stay on? It's a good question. I was kind of adjusting it before every shot, and then I kind of adjusted it. So I kind of found that niche. Did you take a Viagra to keep that thing staked up so you could just post on there? No, no, it was actually one of the worst performance

looking days of my life. It was kind of chilly in there. I felt like I felt like a frozen raisin. Yeah. And I was just giggling at myself every time I look back at the pictures. I know, because it was bad. Yeah, it was bad. It was bad. I was embarrassed just looking at it myself. It was crazy because like you would see like a picture after, you know, you'd go

with the photographer and your your wiener would be out and you'd see the picture. And then all of a sudden they'd be like, oh, don't worry, we could just cut that. Yeah. But you're sitting there worrying because you're like, you're going to go tell everyone, you know, and then that person that's reviewing, I requested 93 degrees in the shoot set. It was 60, 10 minutes. What kind of dude is Vince Wille fork stud, a freak, a dog, a dude's dude, or a whiz.

I mean, he's a ways. He has a lot of intellectual and knowledge of the game of football. I mean, he's a ways is a lot of intellectual and knowledge of the game. Oh, well, I mean, he was a smart player. That's why he knew that big play that he made when we were talking about it versus the Buffalo Bills, and he absolutely dominated the receiver on that screen across the middle because he saw that play coming. He sniffed it out like he was a wizard out there. That's how he made majority of his place.

Same with his interceptions. He knew the screen was coming. He backed off. He knew that when he got dropped, he wasn't going to just go to the quarterback and get a free sack. He knew, oh, there must be a different type of play coming. Oh, it's going to be a screen or it's a gimmick or something. I mean, he was smart, bro. He was very smart on that football field. I'm telling you. I mean, yeah, he was a freak for his size.

I mean, 360 just the way that he could move his athletic ability. Kind of a dude's dude as well with his barbecues, man. Inviting the guys over, having that barbecues sauce for everyone. He was also a fucking dog. Yeah, he was a dog. He was grimy in there. Oh, yeah. When you're the guy taking the double team the whole time and you know you have to go against 600 pounds every fucking play because he's taking double teams and replay 600 pounds.

And he would take those double teams and kind of just eat those double teams up. He really would. And just let that linebacker just free to go in and make the plays. And he's a fucking stud. He is athleticism. He is, man.

I mean, he could shoot a basketball. I mean, he's insane. Thrower of the football. You watch his golf swing. You're like, holy fuck. I think he's scratch. This is a true tough one, man. This is really tough to really categorize and pinpoint.

Vince Wolf for just one category. Man, it's going to be tough on three. What do you expect? One. Oh, man. Hold on. Let me keep thinking about this, man. Oh, all right. All right. One, two, three. Freaks. Oh, man. Oh, man One, two, three. Freaks.

Oh, man. Oh, man. I know, man. He is a freak, though. But he's so smart, man. I'm telling you, he's a smart football player. Yeah, but that goes into his freakiness, where you think a guy that looks like him isn't that smart. He's he's great. He's great in commercials, too.

Like you see him in that stove commercial now, like grilling and all that. He's on TV. But you also, you're sitting there like, you gotta be smart. This large guy gotta be smart. Look at this large guy. Right now. That like we said, we're categorizing freaks as you're just looking at some of your like, how can they possibly do that?

Also straight in that side. Also, also like feet. Can we say he's he's a wizard though? Can you agree with that? I'm I 100%. I mean, I always remember Bill talking about how's he's a wizard, though. Can you agree with that? I'm I 100 percent. He I mean, I always I mean, Bill talking about how smart he is of a ballplayer instinctive. So I do agree. He is a freak of nature.

I mean, obviously, to be that size to move, you know, to move that well on the football field, take on double teams and just squash them just the way he tackled guys to they would go right down. There was no mistackles by Vince Wolfork when he got your hands on you. No. So- He drape you down and he swallow you.

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Who do we got? Oh, we got number 76. Bye, Michael. Bye, you freak. We got Oh, I don't want him to see me. Like, don't show that like that. Just do a picture. I don't want to come after me. He's a freak. He's a freak. Like, don't show that. Like, I just do a picture. I don't want him coming after me, you hear me? He's a freak. Yeah, he's a freak. But all right, all right, back to Sebastian. I'm gonna hire Sebastian to be my bodyguard.

A second round pick, and I think 2010, no, 2009. Same as. Sebastian Vollmer. Sebastian Vollmer, AKA Seabass. Seabass, kick his ass. Mm-hmm. Sir DeClock, what does AI have to say about him? Bum, bum, bum, AI. Let's see if AI knows anything about him.

Delseldorf. Shaman people. Sebastian Vommer was a prolific offensive tackle for the New England Patriots, known for his 6'8 frame and 320 pounds of strength. Strength. Very strong. Very tall, very tall.

It made me feel like a dwarf. Like a little boy. Yeah, yeah. I was a little boy out there actually. Over his career, he started 80 of his 88 games that he played helping the Patriots win two Super Bowls. Super Bowl 49 and Super Bowl 51. Born in Dosseldorf, Germany.

Dosseldorf? Dosseldorf? Vollmer didn't start playing football until he was 14. 14? 14. Four. Yeah. One four. Nine. After retiring in 2016, he became a booming NFL broadcaster in Germany, 14. Four. Yeah. One four. Nine. After retiring in 2016, he became a booming NFL broadcaster in Germany, often acting as a Patriots ambassador. Off the field, he's known for his down to earth personality and dedication to promoting

football in his home country. And some fun facts real quick. Volmer was one a barbecue cook off in his neighborhood. What a fun fact that is. One, a barbecue cook-off in his neighborhood. AI, man. AI, where did you pull that from? Oh my gosh. He's an avid beekeeper.

Oh my gosh. He's a beekeeper? He ate all his honey. He ate all his honey. That's why he's 6'8". That is why he's 6'8", and freaking tosses up weight like it's nothing. Nothing. Nothing. That's where he's 6'8". That is why he's 6'8", and freaking tosses up weight like, it's nothing. Nothing.

Nothing, that's where I was going. And he once accidentally locked himself out of his own house while wearing only his underwear. That's on AI? What the heck? I think I love Sebastian even more. That's a Sebastian type move though. That's a sea bass move right there.

Oh my God, sea bass. Oh my god see bad Oh my god, he was so large, but he was so large and so strong He could have probably just lifted up his own house like, you know Patrick and And spongebob how he just lifts up the rock in his house and goes and he should just lift it up his house Like threw it up in the air real quick and I went under it and then he would have been fine He lit we all used to live next to each other in that street. Yeah, we did. He could definitely probably lift that house up.

What was the name of that street again? What was it? Shea Lane, Shea Lane. Oh, I was Shea Lane. I was on a passion with Shea Lane. And then you were pacing, but you were like half half a mile. If that away from us. Yeah, it was a bike ride away. Yeah. Bike ride. Freaking Seabass.

We were drafted in the same draft. He was it was a bike ride away. Yeah, bike ride. Freaking Seabass, we were drafted in the same draft. He was such a big dude and he was always really smart. Like he always had really great questions to like Scarnecio or Josh. I just remember him always being able to like, hey coach, but what if this happens on this and we're in this, you know, like he had a really outgoing thought process of the game for someone who never grew up around the game.

Or like really or really knew the game. Yeah. Like how do you he starts playing a 14 now? You can start playing a 14, which is different than kids that start playing in 14 here, but it was so natural here. Also, when he was playing at 14, it wasn't like real football. He was playing what league was that? It's like club. It was. Yeah, it was like some type of club football. Wasn't the same rules.

What wasn't the same schemes? None of that. I mean, there was some similarities of the league that he was playing in when he started playing football, but it was nothing like American football. I don't think so. So where where he got a university, it was a Houston where he had a pretty solid career there. And then the way he got to the Patriots, I'm pretty sure, like the New England Patriots, they were looking for an offense to tackle at the time,

you know, to start for them or just to back someone. Yeah. And yeah. And I'm pretty sure he played in the East West game. East West, right. After being in college at the University of Houston. And that's when he really got scouted by the Patriots. And I'm pretty sure the Patriots sent Dante Scarnecchio, one of the best offensive line coaches in the history of the game.

No doubt about that. I mean, he's the reason to a lot of our success in New England. And what's wild is like he's tiny, like, you know, offensive line. Coaches are usually offensive lineman beforehand, like Dante Skarnacki had demanded a room. He was older, like 75, 70 foot five, 10, 180 pounds. And he just lined up his offensive lineman like a drill sergeant and just control them like unbelievable.

I remember the first day of rookie camp. Scar yelling at sea bass. Saying something like you guys, you fat pieces of shit better start running is while you guys are out here bouncing around this league for five, six years, I'm going to have to work out Walmart because I'm going to get fired for not getting you to be able to play. It's like the first day of Rukio T.A.'s. I'm like, oh, my God. I don't know if it was going to see basketball. I was like, that was my welcome to the NFL moment.

Like, holy shit. And then they scouted Sebastian. They had a workout with him. I mean, I saw. I think he did his pro day. He did his pro day and he put him through a workout. And he said that, you know, Sebastian was smart. He did everything that he was told.

He picked up on everything. He picked up on the schemes right away. It's just showing how smart he was. And, and they also talked about how Sebastian learned. That English language. How was that, Rob? And that was just watching American flicks. It's American TV. American TV.

Man, I watch German TV and my eyes are going to space faster than Michael Strahan went to space. This guy learned English. How'd you learn English? Oh, just learned it. Just growing up, just did. I was around it a lot as a kid. Being around my mom, my dad, my brothers, friends.

What was your first word? Mama, mama. But it was baba. Mama. I wonder what Sebastian's first word was because it's not mama, that's English. Yeah. What do you think it was baba. Mama. I wonder what Sebastian's first word was, because it's not mama, that's English. Yeah. What do you think it was?

It's probably like, Oma! Oh. Oma! Oma's grandma in like German. Oma! You wanna know what Bill Balachuk once said to about Sebastian Vollmer?

What did he say? Is that when Sebastian would utter things underneath his breath. What, in like German or something? Yeah, in German. Yes, he knew that it was never good. He knew it was never good. That's a great observation, Coach Belichick. That's called scouting right there.

Sebastian was athletic, great size. Hey, I'm scouting Sebastian right now, OK? I know you're getting excited. He's athletic, great size. Shisa! Hey! I'm scouting Sebastian right now, okay? I know you're getting excited. He's athletic, great size, he was light on his feet. He has 36 to 38 inch arms, depending on the workout that he did that day. He's thick everywhere, dude. I'm telling you, he's thick. His calves, his quads, forearms, biceps, triceps, abs.

See, like, he's thick. It's like he almost had a six pack, but he didn't because he was so big, but he thick, like thick boy, man. Big boy. But he wasn't like fat. No, he wasn't fat at all. He's always, well, now he's like a bodybuilder.

He's shredded, he looks so good right now. He looks like a tight end. He looks like Van Damme was like six foot eight. Mm-hmm. He's that ripped right now. He's got good feet. He always had good feet. He was always on balance. I was working out with eight. He's that ripped right now. He's got good feet. He always had good feet. He was always on balance.

I was working out with him, Brian's. Yeah, EPS. EPS, yes, EPS. Going into my second year in the league during the lockout, the NFL lockout, we would always be working out there. I just remember him working out and like, I was just amazed how strong he was.

He took a 140 pound dumbbell, just went right on the bench, grabbed the other one just like this, that easy, and just started tossing it up for a set of ten. A hundred and forty pound dumbbells for a set of ten. Like it was nothing. The Germans have particular beer that makes them very strong. Well then let me keep drinking, Jules, because I want to be very strong like Sebastian. If he was drinking beer to make him strong,

I need another beer. Fill me up, please. I already had one. I want one more. I got you. Wow, you filled me up. How about the time when Coach Belichick put him out there and he told Sebastian Volmer,

hey, if you catch this punt, we're done for the day. Everyone's off practice. Hey, that's it. No meetings. What happened? What happened? What did Sebastian do? He caught a punt.

He caught a punt. He gave us training camp. That was early in our career. It was. That was my, I think, my rookie year or my second year in the league. I think it was my second year. But that was great.

See, Bass, thank you for coming through. I'll remember it for the rest of my life that you got me off meetings that night. Thank you. Amen. Because those meetings are way too long. His first start in 2009 was the, was that Tennessee Titans game where it snowed

in like October 15th or something like that. He was replacing Matt Light, who was starting. I think he got banged up. We didn't give up a sack. Like it was his first game in, pressure was on, young football player from Germany and helps give up zero sacks and we blew out the Tennessee Titans like what 59 nothing it was 59 nothing you know I

know why you guys you know won that game 59 nothing and why Tom through like eight touchdown passes in the first quarter because he was very comfortable that Sebastian Bomer was his left tackle he He was comfortable. He was comfortable. Just like we were all comfortable when Coach Belichick said, Hey, Sebastian Vollmer, if you catch this punt right here on this windy day at training camp

when we've been running you guys for 15 straight days into the ground, not a day off, full pads, twice a day. If you catch this punt, I'm gonna give you guys meetings off tonight. But we will have practice tomorrow, but you guys will have meetings off tonight. And what'd he do? He caught the punt when he didn't have meetings.

He caught the punt so I could go home and do this quicker. We gotta give him a little bit more credit in his broadcasting career, because he has made a name for himself in the country of Germany, because he's bringing the game and a lot of awareness of American football and bringing it over. And he's doing a great job to translate it.

I see a lot of things. He translates English to German translator to help people in that country understand the game. So he's doing a great job expanding and have an unbelievable role like that. Without a doubt, he's making the game bigger. He probably loves his home country. He does. And he loves football. And it's great for him to be able to share the game that he's loved with the people that where he's from.

That's like some beautiful stuff. It's beautiful, like like Europe. It is beautiful, like like Poland, Poland's beautiful. And that's why, you know, Sebastian's so beautiful as well, because Poland's right near Germany. It might connect, but I don't think it does. I think they touch. They touch.

They touch. That's why we just sympathize for each other, and we have so much connection, because I'm a Polak, he's German, and we just have that, you know, tightness. We feel each other, we understand each other, and he's just a good guy, and I'm a good guy, and I'm just gonna keep drinking,

and just keep getting emotional, because I'm blacked out. It's a beer and a half, Jules. Time. All right, all right. What is he? You ready? You ready?

I just broke out of house You're in it. I was in it. What kind of dude is Sebastian? Bulmer is this Yeah, I mean he is pretty studly if you think about it a guy that came from he's probably one of the badass dudes from his country never played our country's most famous sport, most popular sport, and comes in and becomes a fucking damn good football player.

All right, on three, you say what you think he is, I'll say what I think he is. All right. One, two, three, Wiz! Yeah, baby, give me some, give me some. Obviously, we probably, we know him, we played with him. So we're gonna be on the same page of what he is. I mean, he's definitely a whiz.

If you think about it, to be able to come out out of high school, from Germany, to go to a university in America and play American football, learn the language through TV, be as smart as he was on the field. You never saw Emmy from Sebastian Vollmer. Like he's for sure a whiz. Clutch, catching the punt for us to get us

the night off of meetings. Like he was the guy. He's a whiz for sure. You said it all, Jules. You said it all. He is a whiz. Guys, Smilers can be picked up the schemes, one of the hardest blocking schemes in all football.

Just like that. I think he picked up English better than you and I speak it. No, he sure has. And if you ask him, he would agree to that as well. He definitely would. I love those two, but they cuckoo. They cuckoo. That's what you say is everybody crazy Mmm. Yeah, I love them

Hello We love you see bath. All right, let's get into our our last Halloween edition of dudes on dudes Guy that we were gonna talk about of dudes on dudes. Guy that we are gonna talk about. Ooh. You know what, I'm looking at this and it's pretty gnarly.

That every one of the scariest guys that we're going over is from the AFC fucking North another Kent State Golden Flash another man that scares the living shit out of you he sure does his name is Debo but his birth name is James Harrison James Henry Harrison jr. Oh Hank. I will not call him that to his face. He'll I've seen that volleyball shit. What is up? Let's see what AI has to say all right I for James Hank. I was probably too scared to write anything the second Holy smokes. Oh, that's blank AI was. AI is fucking scared. I'm scared. Do not want to get it wrong. Start the clock.

Now. Now. James Harrison. James Harrison was a tenacious and a hard-hitting linebacker. Tenacious. Tenacious. Thank you, Jules. Gotcha. Hey, I'm Harry. I didn't read any books growing up, okay?

And a hard-hitting linebacker. Known for his relentless work ethic and physical style of play, off the field he was dedicated and resilient, overcoming numerous setbacks to achieve success. Harrison had a significant impact on the Pittsburgh Steelers, helping them win two Super Bowls and earning the NFL Defensive Player of the Year Award in 2008. Jesus. Notably, he set a then Steelers single-season record with 16 sacks in 2008 and is the only undrafted player to win Defensive Player of the Year Award. He was also a five-time Pro Bowler and twice named the Steelers MVP. He should have been a Super Bowl MVP. Yeah, but Santonio Holmes with that catch toe tapping catch and the game. They should give out

like two MVPs award, a defensive MVP if deserved and then an MVP award as well or an MVP award. And if it was a defensive guy, then if someone played on the offensive side, you know, on the offensive side of the ball very well, they should also have the offensive MVP. You know what I mean? You know what I'm saying by that? Oh, Andy. Yeah.

They could get a better sponsorship group out of the NFL, too, if they did that. You could have, you know, Chevy for the offense and Ford for the defense. We're not business guys. Debo. Hey, Lloyd, you're smarter than I thought. Harry, your hands are freezing. James Harrison. Absolute scary motherfucker.

Like he look at him, you look at his pictures. It's like one degree outside. He's got his shirt off and his baggy ass sweats doing a pregame warmup, looking like he wants to just, I fucking kill every single person on the other side of the team. Like we played against him and he's got a notion and it's so fucking crazy that he didn't get drafted

because he's about six feet tall But he's also six feet wide this guy is a fucking fridge His I've never his arms are literally like 30 inches Big I remember he came and played with us in 17 it literally when he would walk in The locker room it felt like the scene in Friday when Debo would roll everyone put their chains away and he was like a nice guy, but he just had that scary or scary or about him were like, no, hey, oh shit. What's up? No one wanted to joke with them because you didn't know if he was going to take it

or if he could be joked with. But he was honestly a great teammate for that one year. And he's made so many incredible fucking plays in his career. Like, it's insane. Have you seen him do the shock put? No, I never seen. I guess he's a huge fucking shock putter. Like, he's a fuck. And I love him. I absolutely loved him.

I remember when he played that game in 2008, I was at Kent State, the Super Bowl, where he had that big 100 yard run in the Super Bowl. And I was just so excited to see a guy like him, you know, dominating the NFL from where I came from. I mean, it was, it's crazy. Was Primes James Harrison faster than you? Yes. Was he?

Yes. I'm not going to say he wasn't. I didn't think about that and I was like, wait, if I am faster than him, I should not say I was faster. That's like that's like me saying I'm stronger than him as well, which obviously I am not stronger than James Harrison. I don't think anyone is but I'm going than him as well, which obviously I am not stronger than James Harrison. I don't think anyone is, but I'm going to talk a little football, you know, a little

technician on the football field here. I mean, in the blocking aspect of the game, who you're going versus, what type of guy you're going versus, what type of player you're going versus, who you're going versus. Because in the NFL, you scout the player you're going versus. You scout them. You see what type of player they are. You see how they react to, you know, what type of player they they are you see how they react? To you know the type of blocks that they're receiving and all that good stuff in what size he is what height the

Defender is that you're going verse you get in his chest you throw your shoulder There's so many different techniques depending on who you're going verse and I love blocking a guy. That's like six five My height who stands up because then I can get in his chest driving backwards and a guy that's like 6'5", my height, who stands up. Because then I can get in his chest, drive him backwards, and a guy that doesn't have that mean look, that mean attitude, and a guy that's not going to get pissed off because I came flying off the ball and absolutely drilled him and drove him back five yards and embarrassed him. That was the last thing I was trying to do with James Harrison.

What were you trying to do with James? First off, with James, I knew I couldn't get into his chest. The guy is like a bowling ball. Like, you know that 28-pound bowling ball that everyone wants to throw down the freaking lane and just try to knock down all the pins and like you kind of like do a granny style and so heavy, you blow out your back? Well, those are the hardest guys to block in the NFL, especially at my size, 6'6". You know, it's hard for me to get low. It's hard for me to move that type of guy because they have so much leverage. Those are the hardest guys to block in the NFL, especially at my size six foot six, you know

It's hard for me to get low It's hard for me to move that type of guy because they have so much leverage built-in plaid level. Yes, exactly That's what he has and with a guy like that and how scary and intimidating he was and I seen it on film You do not want to piss James Harrison. Why what did you see on? Yes. What do you see on film? What do you mean? What do you see on film? I've seen him take defenders offense alignment toss them. I've seen him absolutely Level defenders and put him out of the game with a concussion dude He knocked out Josh Chris one of his teammates from college, but literally Therefore when I'm blocking him, it's a guy that you just kind of want to get in his way

I'm not gonna come off the ball and crush his skull I'm not trying to do that. Because if I piss him off, if I hit him hard and I trigger him, man, I'm going to tell you he's going to pick me up and throw me to the next play. So I never wanted to trigger him. I always just try to get in his way with my shoulder, with my hands. So then when the running back came around and you try to make a play, just get in his way again so he can't make the play.

Could you feel his strength? I could feel his strength. Because then if I start going strength for strength, that's when I lose Yeah, no doubt about it. That's when I lose the block versus a guy like that and leverage So every time I just try to just kind of play patty cake, you know, try to let him absorb me So if I did fly off the ball, he would fly off the ball too Then I would go backwards and he would have that separation pass So I just try to stick on him like a like a sponge, you know, in just always didn't

let him out of my rear view mirror, just always staying in front of him, never trying to piss him off, never trying to give him a cheap shot. That was the way I blocked James Harrison. And it was a whole different style when you go over as a player like him. That's crazy. See, we're here talking about like Rob's Rob's Rob used to block the biggest, baddest dude on the defensive line. That's fucking does you know, it's rarely seen,

you know, a matchup with the tight end and the nine technique fucking D and or what, you know, the outside linebacker that's playing down like that doesn't. That's usually not the point of attack a lot of times, is it? You watch that film? Yeah, you always want to get the tackle on those guys. But when you have a tight end in that situation that's willing to do it, willing to get dirty,

that's what expands your offense. That's what expands the run game. That's what expands the play action game as well. And I kind of use that to my advantage. And that's actually what helped me get open plenty of time on the play actions when the linebacker step up because they thought you know I'm coming out the block but James Harrison was a terrifying pocket

pressure player. Low. He got so low. He's just like, yeah he would have that shoulder dip and he would just get right by the off and the tackle even though the offensive tackle is twice his size kind of like looks like twice his height but he would get right underneath him and he was so strong he would just rip through right through his arm and then get to the quarterback and he was quick enough to take kind of like, looks like twice his height, but he would get right underneath him and he was so strong, he would just rip through, right through his arm and then get to the quarterback. And he was quick enough to take kind of an outside angle. Run the hump. Yeah, run the hump and then bolt right to the quarterback. He also would have a great change-up where he would just use his strength.

He'd get right up in that chest of that guy who was about eight inches taller than him and push his ass right back into the pocket and blow up the quarterback. And that's the exact leverage I was talking about and that's why I didn't go toe to toe with him right off the line because he would get that leverage and he'd push me back. So I would just try to stay on him and not let him get that force to, you know, to be able to push me back. So just being a smart player. Have you seen his workout videos? His workout videos are fricking ridiculous. He has like 845s on each side when he's fricking benching, like 500, like 55 pounds. You see it does-

It's just ridiculous. His conditioning, he gets like a 30 pound or a 40 pound medicine ball, and he plays volleyball with it where you have to catch it and throw it. I have seen that. That's hard. People don't realize that's hard.

That's heavyweight. And he does it for a long round. Like, it's so fun to watch his workouts because he does like some World's Strongest Man shit all the time. Or like you'll have like a boulder he's pushing or he's fucking pulling a goddamn car or throwing fucking rocks that are like 900 pounds.

Like he's just a. He's a cool dude, man. And the one thing about it, the one thing, would you agree, does his voice not match his body? I think it does match his body. It does? Because I don't think it's like a low, scary voice. It's not as low as you expect.

Yeah, so I don't think it, like you would think with that guy, he's like, hey, how you doing? You, yeah, you were expecting that low. No, it's kind of it's not high though. No, it's not high. It's kind of like James, I'm not saying you have a high voice. Which is kind of good because imagine if it was that low, it would be like even scarier. Yeah, like I remember, remember he gave, I got one of his shirts., he had the Dibo shirt in the locker room. I still have the Dibo shirt somewhere here. He's he's like he can lift like whatever.

Six hundred pounds, Ben squat that lift. But what I love about him is that he always posts his regimen of, you know, recovering of how he recovers off of those lifts, how he was recovering in the NFL. And he would put like 350 acupuncture needles and every day, like every other day. And he posts about it. Like you gotta be a freak. You gotta be intense in order to get 350 needles poked inside of your muscle tissue and just take it like an absolute champ. Like that just shows.

He just shows like he's dedicated. Like he's doing whatever it takes to be at that level that he needs to be at. Who is the Mount Rushmore strongest guys we played with you think? I would say Sebastian Vollmer. I have tackle was Vince Wolfork. He was super strong strong. He didn't really have to even like work out that much. He would just walk in the weight room

and toss up like 500 pounds on the bench. Marcus Cannon. And this is the strongest guy I ever saw. In the squatting world. Oh my gosh, so strong. I remember Cannon would be squatting and there'd be 15 fucking 45. And the thing would be bouncing.

I swear I think he had like 12 45s on each side. Remember that? Yeah, the thing would be bouncing. I swear I think he had like 12 45s on each side. Remember that? And the bar would be the it'd be bouncing like it was a fucking Q-tip with fucking rocks on it. He's like, it was gnarly. That was a good imitation right there. And then Brandon Bolden for a pound for pound. Bolden didn't even work out. He was like, yeah.

But he Pound for Pound when we do all those like. Oh my gosh. I wasn't saying like that. It was a bad thing to work out. He didn't need to work out. And I'm like, dude, how are you so strong and ripped? He's like, yo, I carry my kids around. And I'm like, dang, I got to start having kids.

I got to start having kids. And I still haven't started. And this is eight years later. I would still be playing if I had ten kids He would always do those remember we'd always have to those explosion Recordings for some certain things like the Kizers and he would always be the absolute He'd blow people out by a thousand points because he was just so explosive strong. I'd say that's prior Mount Rushmore Yes, his last Kent State game,

you know who he sacked five times? Miami of Ohio. Oh, Big Ben. His fucking teammate. Ben Roethlisberger. No one's off limits. No one is off limits. We saw what he did to Josh Krebs

when he was in a Browns uniform. We saw what he did to Ben Roethlisberger when he was in a Miami of Ohio uniform. Like he is fucking Freddy Krueger, bro. This is a, I mean, this is the perfect guy to have on the goddamn Halloween episode. You know, yeah, we're talking about his, you know, defensive skillset and all that,

but what about every time he had an interception? He always almost like brought that ball back to the house. Obviously with one of the biggest Super Bowl plays in history, the hundred yard return versus Arizona Cardinals. And if they scored right on that drive, they were saying the game was going to be over going into half because the Cardinals had that big of an advantage and that much momentum going in. But he saved the Steelers that game with that interception to the house.

It looked like he was about to be tackled eight different times, and he just kept going and kept going and kept going. He's kind of like a fullback mixed with a running back when he's running the ball. Like Mike Alstott. Yes, exactly like him. He's Mike Alstott of the defensive side of the ball.

Did you hear that he's gonna be fighting Ojo Cinco? He will be fighting Ojo Cinco. Yeah, Ojo Cinco. Ojo Cinco, man. Versus James Harrison. What are you thinking, Ojo Cinco. He will be fighting no Joe's. Yeah. Oh Joe Cinco. Oh Joe Cinco. First James Harrison. What are you thinking? Oh Joe Cinco. What the.

Oh Joe. Forge. Are you thinking? I'll tell you right now. Oh Joe Cinco has got some balls. He does have some balls. He raced the horse. He's fought a couple of times.

Yeah. And he's lost all the fights though. Has he? Yeah. He lost the fight. He fought one time. There's something to be said about a man that loses a fight and keeps coming back. He keeps coming back. Ojo Senko don't back down.

He doesn't. No, he doesn't. But what's he thinking? What is he thinking? It's UFC, right? It's MMA style. I mean, the only way you'd have to fight James Harrison is if you go box him, if he couldn't bring you down.

Ojo Cinco is 6'1", 190 pounds about, I would say. He's got it. He's probably like, yeah. He lost to Brian Maxwell in a boxing match. Did he? Yeah, it wasn't that pretty. I'm not saying he probably beat the shit out of me, but I'm not fucking James Harris. Mm hmm. James Harrison is a scary man.

Should we go? We should go. I got a what if scenario. Do you think we can beat James Harrison if we tag team verse him? You mean if we tag team James Harrison? No, no, like you and I verse James Harrison. I don't, honestly, I really don't know know and I consider myself a tough guy but and I

consider you a large tough human as well we would have to game plan we'd have to you have to game plan because you know the Steelers do what they do they do do they what they do they do what they do they do they do it they do they do it very well but they do what they do what they do and they don't adjust they don't adjust you they do what they do and they do and they don't adjust they don't adjust You think you what they do and they do we'd have to do a James Harrison for that fight time All right, but what kind of dude is James Harrison? Okay? I have I have two that I think he is He you know, I don't think he's a dudes dude

No one's I played with him and he was kind of a dudes dude But I was too scared of him the whole time did for him to me think that he was kind of a dude's dude, but I was too scared of him the whole time for him to me think that he was a dude's dude. The freak, he's, I mean, he's either a freak or dog to me. You know, and I think it's a crazy thing that if he's a freak that he was an undrafted freak. That's probably a stat that we'll never say again. And that's freaky. I mean, he is a freak for sure. I would not disagree with a freak. He has dog in him. There's no doubt about that. He's a relentless dog. He's a dog that he's a pit bull. He just never going to stop.

It's the pit bull that's untrained. Yeah. That has a locked jaw and just never letting go until that jaw finally gets tired after like an hour. You got to put him down. I think you got to kill the dog. You got to kill him to let him go. But he's also a freak with that interception and the stride.

His stride when he's running is ridiculous. I mean, it's freaky to have a stride like that at that size with that much mass and to be able to run like that. That's freaky. That's freaky tangibles. Dude, no one. They say he's six foot. That dude is five eleven.

He may be five ten. He about my height and he's two sixty and he runs just as fast as me. Okay, if you wanna call that not a freak, you're fucking crazy. Yeah, you are crazy, though. He a freak. Freak. He's a freak, James Harrison, freak.

Stamp it. What does AI have to say? This dude was born on January 9th, 1978, and stands at six foot one one and weighs 192 pounds. He was drafted as a wide receiver in the second round of the 2001 NFL Draft and played wide receiver for the Bengals, Patriots, Dolphins, and the Montreal Alouettes.

He was a four time All-Pro and the NFL Receiving Yards leader in 2006. Originally from Miami, he played college football for Santa Monica College and Oregon State University. Off the field, he's known for flamboyant personality and antics, including a name change, reality TV appearances, and an active social media presence. Jules, who do you think we're talking about, buddy?

Let's get on Chad Ocho-Sinco. Ooh, and what's the first thing you think of, Jules, when you hear the name Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson? The first thing I think of, one of the wildest card moments or wildest moves ever, it was we drafted, or we traded for Chad, and we went into the, we were installing the offense, and during installation,

Chad O'Shea, our coach, you know Chadio. Yes, love Chadio. All right guys, we got everything, it's all good. You know, just don't be seen, I'm gonna let you out of meetings early. Don't be seen, we still have a team meeting. Don't be seen, we have a team meeting. Wait, so clear this up.

You got let out of meetings early, but we have a team meeting still So clear this up. You got a lot of meetings early, but we have a team meeting still? We still had a meeting after, so we had like an hour and a half for a meeting until the next meeting, but Chad had to get some shit done. We got everything installed, we had a pretty smart room, and so he let us out early.

Well, Chad thought it was smart. And this is Chad's like first couple weeks there. He thought it was be smart to leave the facility and on the way out, poke his head into Bill's office and asked if he wanted anything from Starbucks. And and so that's why that is what do you think it meant to not be seen, like to not go on to not post a picture online. I think he was just new and he's still trying to be friendly in the whole thing, but. Like it was a total accident.

Total accident. And then, you know, the next time we had receiver meeting in the room, O'Shea was like fucking, he got ripped, a new asshole because, you know, what are you doing letting guys out early, out early this that it just was a whole thing Just a wild like he didn't he didn't understand but that's what I thought of like man Chad's crazy the whole kiss the baby thing the whole every it's real He just he just goes off of what he feels off of his instincts. What do you think of when you think of?

Cho well first off the name change you got to love it He was one of the most entertaining players, you know, in our generation while we were growing up. Yeah, for sure. Cincinnati Bengals, that's for sure. I truly believe he's a bangle for life. He played for a couple other teams after, but 100% bangle for life. He kind of put that wide receiver, you know, position on the map in that era that continued the street going of, you know, of being kind of, you know, spontaneous, entertaining, entertaining a little bit of drama as well, but also so good at the game of football that he can pull it off and, you know, not be a problem child at all. problem child at all. In some cases, I would say possibly, but just overall, he was so good at the game of football. He was so quick that he could pull off all that dancing that he was doing. He can pull off all that trash talk that he was doing. He could pull off all those antics off the field during the off season that he was doing, going, you know, playing soccer with the MLS teams, kicking extra points as well during the preseason

games. I mean, this guy had talent and he had so much talent that he could be a wild card dude whenever he wanted because of that type of talent that he had. And you got to appreciate that as well because it's just cool, man, to see just someone be themselves. That's who he is, you know? It's not like he was doing it for a show, which it was a show, but he was truly doing it

because that's just how he was born and you gotta respect that aspect of his game and of who he is. He was like the first guy with a million followers on Twitter in the NFL, I think. Tom absolutely hated that he was on Twitter because he was Mr. Twitter. He had like three million followers.

The second highest person was like 200,000 in the NFL and this is in 2012. He got traded to the New England Patriots and he's always on Twitter still. And and Tom and Coach Balachek were just always grilling him like, Oh, get off fricking Twitter. Get off. Twitter doesn't help you in the game of football. But it never really like really, I would say. What am I trying to say? Affected his game.

Twitter was just back then they just acted like it did you know? Yeah, but we just did things differently in New England And he didn't he didn't that he didn't comply to it the funniest I'm the point is where I'm getting to is now Tom is mr. Instagram and mr. Mr No, and so like our mr. X so that was the point I was getting to So like our Mr. X. So that was the point I was getting to. Tom Thomas, Mr. Well, another thing, it was always known that he loved McDonald's.

What's your take on that? I mean, it's kind of freaky that you could just eat McDonald's and still do that McDonald's for most of his career. And he also said it helped his body like callous for football. Yeah, I guess. I mean, there's only one guy that could possibly do this. I mean, there's a lot of players that sometimes, not sometimes eat fast food, but I'm talking like, Chad did it on a daily basis, breakfast, lunch, dinner.

And I saw him, he went to that corner store right on route one, right next to Gillette Stadium. There's a McDonald's there. Yeah, it's the half-eat. It's half-eat, it's half in the- McDonald, half liquor store thingy. He would go there and he's half in the McDonald's, half liquor store thingy. Yes. He would go there and he's always in the drive thru. And I saw him one time.

He pulled up and he was eating the fish fillet sandwich. I like the fish fillet though. What's your favorite thing at McDonald's? The coffee, bro. You like the coffee there? They got legit coffee there. I don't really eat McDonald's. If I do, I get a double cheeseburger

and I just take the patties off of the bread and I just eat the smash hamburger patties with the cheese I like the bread smash them. I mean, I think it's safe to just eat the meat, you know, what about the McGriddle? Oh Breakfast they got legit breakfast sausage. Oh the pancakes are on fire. So I'm a breakfast guy at McDonald's Yeah, I'm not gonna really eat, really eat their lunch or dinner. No Big Mac? No Big Mac. If I do get the Big Mac, like I said, I'm just eating the patties only. But it's just impressive, though.

Chad ate that McDonald's every single day. Every single day. His body was just a machine. I mean, I guess if you get used to it, your mind is just going to know what to do with that type of nutrition. So hats off to Ocho Cinco. He's crazy. He would race animals. Didn't he race a horse? is just gonna know what to do with that type of nutrition. So hats off to Ocho Cinco.

He's crazy. He would like race animals. Didn't he race a horse? He doesn't care. He'll fight anyone. Chad is so, what? Do you think you could beat a horse in a race? No, no chance.

I mean, would you ever race a horse? No chance. A horse and I have one thing in common, Jules, and I'm not gonna tell you what it is. Just use your wild imagination. I get it, I understand. Thank you. I understand.

Thank you. Well, he raised a horse for a charity, Feed the Children. You know, he had a 100 meter start and he beat the horse, which, you know, props to him. He's silly, always just doing silly things, man. He did silly things, but people like, when we were playing, he had elite feet. Like his footwork was quicker than anyone I knew.

And we caught him on the tail end of his career and he still had some really insanely quick feet. Meaning he could get in and out of breaks for how tall he was at 6'1". He was a real, he was a skinnier guy. But usually when you're 6'1", it's harder for you to get in and out of breaks. But you watch his comebacks, his releases. Like he was always the

separation king to the at the top of route, at the beginning of route. He was an elite receiver Now with all the antics and stuff we all remember him that because that's probably because he didn't win but He was a fucking elite receiver that had a lot of production for a long time in this league He was so quick. He had the best releases in the game as well Yeah, I think he was the quickest play, the quickest feet in the game of football. It was like, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, and he would go side to side with it as well.

So I'm sure he's a great line dancer as well. He won Dancing with the Stars. Did he? Fourth. Came in fourth. Fourth. All right. There's one thing that's always certain, he said,

and that's death, taxes, and 85 going to always be open. Always open. You got to love him for that. And he was always open. Besides when he got to New England, he was struggling a little bit there. Why do you think he struggled? I just think he struggled

because just the complicity of the playbook a little bit. I feel like he had the freelance to do whatever he wanted to do in Cincinnati. And then when he got to New England, it was more of a structure. Like this is what you got to do. This is how you get open. It's not like you're going to be able to just freelance and play backyard football. I feel like he played backyard football a little bit more with the Cincinnati Bengals.

Tom wanted it like that, but possibly he wanted to do it like that, but he couldn't do it like that because Tom wanted it like that. I mean, it just didn't really work out to the tee that, you know, we wanted it to. Obviously what what coach Belichick wanted to do and as teammates as well. But there's one thing, though, that we know we got blessed with the presence of one single for that whole entire year. And that's what is more important is just to be around a great dude and just to see how he carried himself to just one of the greatest wide receivers of the game. Do you have any stories about Chad?

We went out to dinner actually during training camp and he was just a great character, man. He always got the waitress wound up. He got her wound up cracking jokes. Where'd you guys go? We went to Toby Keith's Bar and Grill right there at Patriot Place and he would be flirting and then the waitress would be flirting back with us. And like, you're just such an all because we were such young bucks

and just how he was so spontaneous and so quick with his game. Like the way he would speak and talk and have game. It was like his feet were running his mouth like, but but but but but but just that quick. You know, and then what's so great about it is like he would leave her hanging, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, just that quick, you know? And then what's so great about it is like, he would leave her hanging though, because he would give like an outrageous tip to her. And then like, didn't leave his number or anything. Like he would get the, you know,

he would get the waitress going. He just, he just get, he's just outgoing. He just likes to, he likes to push people's buttons, I think. Yes, exactly. Give her an outrageous tip and then we would all just leave. And the waitress would be like, oh, wait, wait, where'd he go? Like, oh, I didn't get his number or anything,

but he would just bounce on. Chad was so fun. It was fun. Also could kick. He had a big soccer background. I think that's probably what helped him with such great feet, quick feet that he had. I mean, I remember Cincinnati, their kicker got hurt.

He kicked a field goal. He kicked a couple field goals. I think he kicked a 30 yarder. He played in soccer leagues. I think he tried to play in a professional league at one point. He tried out for the Kansas City MLS team during the 2011 NFL lockout. And while he was trying to do that, I was doing my wild, wild dude shit. Jules, I was at the University of Arizona during that lockout, and I was at the pool

parties dancing up on the on the stage and everything at the pool parties. I was freaking pounding beers and everyone was like, Oh, you're going to be in big trouble by Coach Belichick after the lockout. But what did I do? I showed up and I was just as wild out on that football field and training camp. Baby, that was that was my favorite off season was after my rookie year, because we didn't have to go in at all at all. And I got to be wild as possible because I had a little bit of money.

I was 21 years old and I was just running around college campuses, just being an absolute wild maniac. It was the greatest off season of my career. No doubt about that. What did you do during the lockout? Jules? I just told you what I was doing. I actually took a couple classes at Kent.

I was in LA trained out here. Didn't we have like a fucking, we had like a couple team practices at BC during the lockout, remember that? When Brady called a couple. We did, we had about three practices at BC. That was really cool. That just shows the leadership of Tom,

just how wild of a leader he was. Tom wasn't a wild card, he was a wild leader. And that just shows why he's one of he's, you know, one of the actually the greatest player to play. Could Chad kick the field goal kick of destiny for that you do everywhere? Yeah, 100 percent. So easy. Yeah. He kicked an extra point in a preseason game, which that's a lot harder than kicking the kick of destiny.

I mean, I don't have a line. No one's snapping it. The ball's just set. Sit in there on a tee for you. And it's just a layup and fricking, I missed twice. So Chad Ocho-Sinco, I actually need you for the kick of destiny. I'm actually not doing it this year, but in the future I'll possibly be doing it again.

So I want Chad Ocho-Sinco as my coach or my replacement for the kick of destiny. How far is the kick of destiny. Now, how far is the kick of destiny? Ooh, 25 yards. So it's 25 yards. I was kicking it on the 15 yard line. And so how far do you think they would have to handicap Chad's kick

because he can kick it better. So we'd have to bring- I would say he would have to kick a 40 yarder. A 40? I think he got 40 easy though. I mean, but no. He does have 40 easy, but that's the point. I've missed the last two years,

so we need someone to make it now. OK. And we want him to make it as well for the fans out there and for FanDuel and for just the kick of destiny. But what about his TD celebrations as well? He was one of the best in the game. He wore the gold jacket that says future Hall of Fame 2000 with two question marks as a post touchdown celebration.

How about the cheerleader proposal? I actually got to take some tips from you because I'm now dating the cheerleader. I've been Chad Ojo Cinco. So you proposed in the first fricking four seconds you matter, which is pretty impressive So call me up. I need some tips brother And then he was putting the football like a damn golf ball as well when he did you do that ever? I never done that man. My craziest TD celebration was just spiking the ball or actually when I was

You know the one in London as well when I did the booty shaking Yeah, that was pretty impressive and you did though the soldier I did. Yeah the soldier of Guarding the Buckingham Palace Buckingham Palace. Yes. Yeah now he remember he didn't he He took the camera once and was filming. This was like the full generation of overly celebrated, crazy, get your popcorn ready celebrations by receivers. Remember like Joe Horn, he was taking cell phones out. You got Chad doing everything Chad's doing. T.O. and his celebrations.

I mean, just, this was like the era where they were getting fined, they were getting penalized for it too, they didn't give a, they didn't care, but it was still fun. You know, that that was the no fun league at the time. It was. I remember that when everyone was translating NFL as to be the no fun because they kept finding Ocho Cinco and all the other guys that were being entertaining, you know, to the to the fans. So James Harrison or Ocho Cinco, they're fighting here soon.

Super Bowl weekend, MMA style. Who are you going with? It's MMA style. I'm going with obviously James Harrison. The thing is that this is how crazy Chad is. Why the fuck are you fighting James Harrison, who I think he knocked him out of a game once. James Harrison is a freak of nature. He's just gonna get a hold of Ocho Cinco

and just break him in half. Does Ocho think that he's gonna box him? Ocho Cinco's gonna have, yeah, boxing is different story. It's different, this is in boxing. He can be quicker. This is MMA now, this is MMA style. James can put his hands on him and do whatever he wants to do to him.

James plays volleyball with like 80 pound balls. Remember when he throws it over the thing? Yeah, he does. So, you know, he can catch motherfuckers. Yeah. Ocho Cinco is wild. He's wild. I love it though.

Keep being wild, Ocho. Time. Let's go. What kind of dude is Chad Ocho Cinco, ladies and gentlemen? What kind of dude is Chad Ocho Cinco? Come on now. I wouldn't really say freak. I mean, feet were freaky freaky, freaky feet. Yes, dudes, dude.

Uh, yeah, he was man. He was all about the guys. He was he brought us out to dinner. Yeah, he always invited us in New England invited everyone around. He was a dudes dude. No doubt about that whiz whiz. I won't really go that far because like I said, I think he struggled with the, with our playbook a little bit.

So did I. I didn't even play my rookie year because I didn't know our playbook. It's very, it's a very tough playbook. It's very- He's got a dog in him too. I mean, he don't care. He'll freaking challenge anything, anyone to anything.

I mean, he raced a horse, he'll box ya. He doesn't care. But I think he's, I think he's a stud. I, he'll box ya, he doesn't care. But I think he's a stud. I think he's a stud as well. I feel like that's- The feet, field goal, the guy he's doing off the field now, he's just, he's a lovable guy.

But he was always, he always had a, he's a stud to me. He is a stud, I mean, just the way, you know, he presented himself on the field and off the field. That's when you know you're studly, you know? He was so fast and he was such a stud that he had to race a horse. Cause horses are studs. So that makes Chad Ojo Cinco a stud.

A stud keeps the girl waiting at the bar. Yes. Like he did. Yes. Kn he did. Yes. Knows that, you know, he could have probably took the little lady on a date, but just did it just to... I don't know. He's a stud.

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