Games with Names - Dudes on Randy Moss, Baker Mayfield, and Tony Gonzalez | Special Sneak Peek

Episode Date: October 16, 2024

Rob Gronkowski & Julian Edelman get on our first batch of dudes in a very special sneak peek episode of Dudes on Dudes. We’re talking Randy Moss and the priceless pieces of wisdom he gave Rob & Jules, Baker Mayfield and his incredible rebirth in Tampa, and Tony Gonzalez and his relationship with the number three. We wrap it up by laying out our patented dude categories.  Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We're not like IQ gonna like knock you off the charts. Welcome to Dudes on Dudes. I'm Julian Edelman. I'm Rob Gronkowski. And this is the show where your favorite dudes get to talk about their favorite dudes. On our first episode, we are talking some serious dudes. We are talking Randy Moss.

Whenever I pay anyone in cash, I always say straight cash, homie. That's going to live on forever. You got Moss. Then we're going to get in to ol' Baker Mayfield. He's gotten that second life. He ate that mushroom in Mario and got that extra life. I was breaking some PR records this year in the weight room, and he was cheering me on when we were going nuts.

And then we have Tony Gonzalez, a guy from the past that we just want to bro out on. Tony Gonzalez was one of my heroes growing up. He exemplified what being a Titan was. We'll break down their games, we'll share some insider stories, and determine what kind of dude each of these dudes are. And then we wrap it up by grading our former teammates

that are turned media darlings. Gronk, let's get into it. Why did we start this show, Gronk? Well, we started the show because Jules and I, we're great teammates together. We were teammates for nine years on New England. We've been teammates off the field as well from the very beginning. When you brought me out to splash in the city of Boston, my first night out ever,

I still remember it to this day. And we love talking sports. We love naming dudes. We love hanging out. And these are the kind of conversations we had that we will be sharing that we had in the locker room. That's what the show is all about. Conversations where a dude brings his other dude friend to a football game, to a baseball game, and they're sitting up in the nosebleed having a conversation

about their favorite player making a big play in the game, just getting entertained while also being entertaining at the same time. So that's why it's dudes on dudes, just having a good old dude time. It's basically a fly on the wall how we talk. Whatever comes up to our mind, we will be talking about with dudes. Dudes on dudes, just growing out to the max power eating some popcorn sipping your favorite drink Whatever it is. It is so that's what we're gonna do. We're gonna basically sit here and We're gonna talk about one guy For ten minutes. We're gonna give a ten minute time limit. We're gonna talk about his career

We'll talk about stuff off the stories We'll talk about stories if we have stories with that person. And we're just gonna kinda talk about a dude and why we respect him, why we love him, and then we're gonna put him in a category what we think he is, and then we wanna hear what you guys ultimately think in the comments section. So who's the first guy we're gonna do, Rob?

And we're gonna start with a former player, a guy that everyone knows, a Hall of Famer out there. Guy that we played with. A guy that we play with on New England. On New England. About two years for you. Two years for me. A quarter season for myself, my rookie year. One and a quarter for me. But everyone knows who he is.

Randy freaking Moss. Please pull the picture out. Randy Moss was an absolute dominant force on the football field. I didn't want to put him in the category right away. I Moss was an absolute dominant force on the football field. I didn't want to put him in the category right away. I didn't want to describe the category yet. But the guy had personality. Everyone loves him to this day. He's a great TV. He's on TV analyst now. Awesome on TV. He's moshing people still to this day.

You got mos. With his segment. You got mos. You know who this is, Rob? You know where this shot's from? No, what's the shot from? This shot is from when he was leaving the player's parking lot, I believe.

I think on a Tuesday after he got fined for mooning Green Bay. Remember he got fined for mooning Green Bay? And this is like right immediately after when some reporter came up to him and said, Randy, what do you think about getting fined? And he said, straight cash, homie. That's what Randy is.

And that quote is still used to this day. Straight cash, homie. Straight cash, homie. Whenever I pay anyone in cash, I always say straight cash, homie. Always. Every single time. That's gonna live on forever. How many years ago is that?

That was a long time ago. 20? No, it wasn't 20. Yeah, I was in high school, man, when that happened. He was on the Minnesota Vikings, right? Yeah, he was on the Vikings at that time. So that was like what? 05?

Maybe 04? I think we need to start this- 20 years ago. Do we start the clock now? Rob's got a little research that he's done. Now Rob, how did you get this research? I just typed in the player's name on Co-Pilot and what type of football player they are

or person they are and it just popped up. And you gotta work smarter, not harder, Jules. You gotta work smarter. That's what it's all about. It is. So what did Co-Pilot say? This will also help out my reading skills. See dudes on dudes, I mean,

we're not the smartest dudes, Julian. But we're also not the biggest idiots. We have common sense and we're here, doing this show as well to help us out in life as well. I would say we're idiots. I would say we're idiots, we're not dumb. Yes, yes, we are idiots in a good way though. Yeah, we're not like IQ Yes, yes, we are idiots in a good way though. In the best way possible. Yeah, we're not like IQ gonna knock you off the charts,

but we're also not gonna spend all your money if you have like $2, you're not gonna spend 50. That's like common sense. Yeah, exactly, there you go. You hit it right on the nose. And our reading skills, I wanna say are, you know. No, my reading skills are terrible, everyone knows. So this is gonna help my reading skills.

It's gonna help my creativity doing this show as well. And that's why I wanted to do it. I feel like it's gonna help us out on Fox, just being able to talk. So we're building muscles. And we're also gonna invest in Nvidia because we're gonna use their AI, let's go. So here we go.

Or no. We got Randy Moss, right? Yeah, Randy Moss, all right. What is the Randy Moss? Randy Moss was a dynamic and explosive wide receiver known for his exceptional speed, leaping ability, and play making skills. His deep threat capability made him a constant challenge

for defenders as he could stretch the field and make spectacular catches. Moss was renowned. Renowned, right? Yeah, yeah. Renowned for his ability to make acrobatic catches and score touchdowns, earning him a reputation as one of the most talented and dangerous receivers

in the NFL. Over his career, he was selected to multiple Pro Bowls and was a key figure in the 2007 New England Patriots record setting offense. He was, he was. Start the clock. Start the clock. We got 10 minutes, which each player

that we will be talking about. First off, that's pretty damn good by copilot. Yeah, copilot, he's right on the money. And Rob, I think he knocked it out the park. I was the copilot reading that. No, I think you were the actual pilot I was I was the actual pilot. I know co-pilot you were you were there, but you weren't there I was co-pilot by just sitting there the passenger. I was a passenger. Yes, you were I was a passenger

But no who knows the ride it was freaking good. It was freaky. Yeah, which was also Randy's nickname It was Randy's it was the freak Which was also Randy's nickname. It was Randy's nickname. It was the freak. Randy went to, where'd he go? He went to Marshall. There's so many crazy stories about he committed to Florida State,

then he went to Notre Dame. Did you ever hear those? I never heard any of those stories, but he ended up at Marshall University. Where is Marshall anyways? West Virginia. It's in West Virginia. Yeah.

And you know he's from Rand, West Virginia? Like Randy Moss is from Rand, West Virginia. He used to say that all the time in practice. Hey, Rand, you, Rand, you. Remember you would always say that? Like him and like who else was from there? White Chocolate was from there. Ah, who's White Chocolate?

I eat White Chocolate. Who's White Chocolate? Jason Williams. Jason Williams. Oh yeah, they were teammates, right? They were teammates. They were teammates in high school. Dude, he always loves to fish too. That was the one thing you always knew about Moss.

In the off season, you were never. He was like a farm boy. Yeah. Yeah. He loved outdoors. You love fishing? I don't, you know, I was traumatized at a young age. My brother made me hold like two catfish

when I was like six years old and he told me they could sting you and they had big old tentacles and it fucking traumatized me. So not a big fisher. I was like the kid wakeboarding. My brother was like the fisher. You fish?

No, I always got seasick every time we took that boat out. Yeah. And then like a mile off of shore, I was always throwing up and like really dizzy. So I never became a big fisherman. I mean, I had a pond behind my house growing up, so I get like those sunny fish. Like that was cool, but never really a big fisherman. I eat fish, though. I like what's your favorite fish.

Black and salmon, like in salmon. Yeah. With some good spices on it. I like a halibut. Nice light fish. Yeah. All right. Back to Randy. Back to Randy. It was what Hall of Fame, what year was that? He went to the Hall of Fame, football Hall of Fame, that is. What was it?

Like 2018. 2018 it was? We won in the Super Bowl. He was the 21st overall pick and he had a lot of the, there was a lot of like turbulence in his early career, you know, in college and stuff, which I always thought made Randy misunderstood. What would you say when he was in the locker room?

He was always a very caring dude, but he always had his guard up. He always had his guard up, but on the low, he would always give you love. For me, when I was a rookie receiver, I used to have to go out and buy all the receivers like lunch whenever we would have away trips. Remember before the travel, the rookie goes

and grabs something from Bar Louie or you go somewhere, you know, Jimmy John's or something and you get the order and Randy would always make me do it. But I was a seventh rounder. So I wasn't paid by any means and guys would be giving you crazy orders. Randy would always throw me like three, 400 bucks. He'd pay for it and make me go get it.

So like, he was always, he was just always quite, like he would kinda get on me in front of people, but then when there was no one around, he'd always love me up and like, you know, like he, I think he was just putting that on there to make me, you know, make me accountable. Yeah, for the quarter career, you know, quarter year I. Yeah. For the, for the, you know, quarter career, you know, quarter year I played with Randy,

I thought he was a great teammate, man. And like you said, I feel like he was misunderstood in the public eye a little bit. He didn't really care about, you know, the glam and all of that. Like he just, he just rubbed it off his shoulders. Like, like it was nothing, like it was water, man, but he cared about being a good guy and he never thought he

was too big for anyone else. I mean, Randy was the best wide receiver in the game at the time, maybe of all time. And he cared about, you know, being relatable to the young bucks. He did. He made me feel very warm and welcome. What do you do to the New England Patriots when I was there? What do you do to make you feel warm? So Moss always loved, you know, kicking it back, having a conversation with myself when I was a rookie, I was struggling.

I was in the playbook like crazy, struggling a little bit, but he just loved how I played the game and he always imitated me because I was big. I was goofy, you know, and he liked that kind of stuff, you know? And every time I had a catch or, you know, had a touchdown, I'd be like myself, you know, I'd be giggling like this. He'd be like, dude, bro, you always giggling. You always having a good time, Gronk. Like, it's cool as shit, man.

Cool as shit how you are, man. And I'd be like, it made me feel warm and welcome to be myself on the Patriots. And I'd be like, I always did that on the field after a catch, I'd get up. Like, I don't know. Being hyped. That was just me, I was getting hyped.

And Moss was like, man, I like how you do this, man. I like like that cool shit, how you do that. Like I'm going to do that after I score a touchdown. I was like, for real? He's like, yeah, yeah, I'm going to do that. So what happened? Game, I think game number two. Buffalo.

Versus Buffalo. He scored like, you know, 40 yarder post right down the middle, like, you know, like Randy Moss does because fastest wide receiver I probably ever seen play the game. Freakish, you know, stride. It looked like he was going slow. But he was just always passing people and he was just gliding. It was like a jet ski on water, like on like flat surface, just gliding.

Oh, yes. And it didn't look like he was going 70, but he was going 70, maybe 80. On water, which is fast. So we get to the game, he scores that touchdown and he starts doing this. He's being grok in the end zone and I'm 21 years old. And this is Randy Moss, fricking Moss,

imitating me after one of his touchdowns. I thought it was the coolest thing. I actually never even shared that story with anyone. I'm not even, I'm talking like, I never shared that story with a friend, a family member. It's just kind of known within the team, you know, within the team and the organization. So that's one of the coolest stories of all time,

you know, about Randy Moss that I have personally. And he just made me feel welcome to the team. And he just made me feel like to the team. And he just made me feel like myself because he just loved how I was and how I played the game. And it was just a special moment, that's for sure. He fucked with dudes that worked hard. He did. I remember on Tuesdays, he would come in

and do these workouts where he would do like side step ups, these like step ups, quick feet. And so I would jump in with him every once in a while, and he'd do all these medicine ball things where like he'd have like one leg on a medicine ball and do like a push up and you know, just working your core, and so I would always, I would always see him do shit

and then I would go do it, you know, I wanna do anything Randy did, but like, if he saw you working, he never really busted your balls. That's the kind of guy, you know, but if you weren't, if you were, you working, he never really busted your balls. That's the kind of guy, but if you were talking and you were a guy that wasn't heard or something, any other Patriot, any of the Patriot guys, you're gonna hear shit. You wanna also know why I would say

Randy was misunderstood a little bit? Because he was real. And when people are real, people don't like that, man. Cause like, if you didn't want to- Real things can sound like assholey. Yeah, exactly. It sounds assholey. Like if he didn't want your fricking food,

he's not going to eat your food. Like he just didn't want it, you know? If he didn't like you, he didn't like you. Like it's just real shit. And then that's what makes people misunderstood. I still can't fathom that Thanksgiving game that he had. What was the screenshot of his? Well, he had three catches, like 146 yards, was it?

163 yards on three catches. 163 yards. Oh, and three touchdowns. All his catches were over 50 yards. It was when he was with the Minnesota Vikings. Thanksgiving day, he ate the turkey after the game as well. It was just Moss being Moss. Well, Randy was so special that we actually had a play named after him. Moss. Yeah, Moss. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha And every time Brady did that, I got excited because I was always the slack guy going down the field. So Moss, every time I saw that play, I thought of Moss

and just felt like I had to turn the burners on as well. Rob, you had how many, what was your biggest touchdown season? I had 17 touchdowns in 2012, but 18, because one of them counted as a rush. 18 touchdowns, he had 23 touchdowns. How fucking nuts is that? Frickin' nuts.

I don't think anyone's ever gonna touch that. I don't know, with the 18. I don't think anyone's gonna touch it still. No way. You still? Cause guys aren't playing as many games. Like they don't play the whole season. Yeah. I mean that was a freaky year.

That's not the reason why. I think just cause Moss was just so dominant. 23 touchdowns. Because when you have 23 touchdowns, Moss was only one who can get away from double coverage and then run away from it because he was so fast and freaky. Ain't no one ever going to touch that 23 touchdown record. I mean, I was pretty close that one year when I had 17.

And then actually, he was at practice, one of my best training camps of all time when we were in West Virginia. Moss came, whatever, at that dumb place. Greenboro. Yeah, Greenboro. It was great for football. Coaches loved it, because all you did was focus on football. But he came to the casino though.

It was fucking bullshit. Good thing we would have lost all our money. Or won a lot more money and then could have retired in training camp. But Moss was there when we were facing the Saints in practice and I was dominant, man. This was a year I was on fire, unstoppable. It was actually the year we won the Super Bowl

versus Atlanta when I was unstoppable. It was just unfortunate that I got lit up up the middle that year. But I had like four touchdowns in a row versus Saints and seven on seven. And Moss was right there. And I was like, Moss, I'm coming for you, man. That touchdown record is mine. Go, Gronk, you got it, boy.

You're the only one, Gronk. You're the only one that can beat my touchdown record, Gronk. You got this, boy. I want to see you do it. I go, Moss, I am going to do it, buddy. I'm on coming for it. 23, no problem. I mean, it was kind of a realization at that time. I was dreaming big, but it was just so cool to have Moss right there. Talking shit to Randy Moss. I'm going to beat his touchdown record in middle of practice. It like was one of the coolest moments I've ever had in practice. Moss, you the man.

And the freakiest catch I've ever seen Moss make that I will still remember for, I will remember for the rest of my life. It's the Reavis catch. It was the, what, second game? It was the second game of the season. That was my first start. It was. So when he did the imitation of me,

it was actually the first game of the season. I think we played, no, no. This was, was that, that was, I don't think you were there yet. No, I was there. So we played the, we played Cincinnati, my very first game. Yeah. Then we went to the Jets, we We lost most freakiest catch I've ever seen.

We lost the game. Yeah, we lost the game. Uh, Brady just tossed it up there. He let the play develop. No one was open. So he tossed it up one on one coverage. Moss versus Doral Rivas, the best cornerback in the game. Moss put his hand up in the air and just snagged it. One-hander right in the end zone, about three yards in. It was freaky because he extended all the way. It wasn't like it was close to his body. He made that extension.

But it was effortless, too. Effortless. It looked like he barely did it though. When he was going, he was just like, ugh. And then, oh, and then we played the Buffalo Bills the third game, and that's when he did the imitation. That imitate or the fan? Imitating me, no myself.

The third game, yeah, yeah. The grand giggles and then we played the Miami Dolphins, the fourth game of the season. And then after that game. He wasn't there. He wasn't there anymore. It was sad. It was.

You wanna know something Jules? I remember it man. I remember it. We were, we were partying man. When he got traded. Where are we? It was Monday night and you know us. We were young bucks, man.

We went to Foxwoods, the casino and we woke up. Was it a Monday night game? No, no, it was a Monday. Was that a Monday night game? It was a Monday night game. So did we have a bye week yet? We had, I think we had a bye week or something because we went to Foxwoods Tuesday night

cause it was industry night at Foxwoods. And you know us, we're in the industry of partying at that time. We were maniacs. We were maniacs. We're just dudes on dudes, man. We're just having a good conversation, you know? We're just telling our stories, just living up, you know,

what we did in the past. And I remember we were together, man. And you were pretty hungover, I remember. And then I was hungover too. And we turned on the TV. We didn't know anything, what was going on. And we turned on the TV ESPN and Randy Moss, there it was was breaking news,

traded to the Minnesota Vikings. And literally we were like heartbroken. We were hung over and heartbroken. It was probably the worst situation you could be in. Yeah. Yeah, but we always climb out of those holes. That was, talk about the Sunday scaries. Yeah, that was the Tuesday morning scaries right there.

You wake up, you don't, oh fuck, we have practice, Randy Moss is gone. That was one of the examples of my early times in my career that I was starting to learn that the NFL was a business. Oh yeah. Because as a rookie, you don't know that it's a business. You're gonna make the team, You think you're playing forever.

Can't trade rainy. You can't trade Randy Moss. She's the greatest of all time. And it was really cool though, cause he did that press conference. I think the week before, like he wants a new deal. He had his headphones around his neck. He kind of, he kind of went off like the patrons ain't giving me my new contract. And I thought that was really cool because that's the Randy Moss I knew, like going off, just being a real dude.

Yeah, he was. And I love that shit. I love when players act up, man. And I thought it was the coolest thing. So it was sad to see him go, but it was also sad because that was part of the reason I feel like he went. Bill takes no shit.

He doesn't, but that's when you're reckon, you realize that this is definitely a business. All right, so some final thoughts. Randy Moss. What kind of dude is Randy Moss then? Yeah, what kind of dude is he? I would say. So we have a stud, I'd like athleticism, football IQ,

the pedigree, we have the freak, unparalleled, physical ability, one of one, pretty much a mutant. That sounds pretty close. We have a dog who's relentless, motivated, physical and mental toughness. We got the whiz dude who's intellect, innovative, very clutch. And we got a dude's dude.

Positive attitude, locker room guy, calm, cool, collect, glue guy. He's like a glue guy, dudes dude. And let me tell you, every dude that we're going to be talking about. Hit all of them. They hit them all. Their attributes are all five of them.

But we're trying to find the one that exemplifies them the most. And with Randy Moss. It's easy. I feel like this is a no brainer. No brainer. No brainer. It's already in his nickname. The freak.

The freak. I mean, he was, I remember he's just so fast. He was so, he could jump. He could catch the ball. The intricacies of the game were like that were, you would try to coach the guys like late hands and stacking the receiver. Like those are the things that like we would try to coach.

He just did it naturally. That's like how he like, he just knew how to judge a ball and high point balls. Like he, we literally have segments named after him going up and just mossing dudes. And the way he like the ability he had to just leap when he was running full speed is what made him so great. Cause he can have a defender on him

cause defenders were just as fast as them. Some of them were, some of the DBs were. Some of them. Don't let Randy here. He'd be like, Hey man, get on a 200 slate. All right. Remember he used to challenge slate all the time. 200.

But every once in a while there was a guy that was kind of covering him. But what did he do? He just leaped right over him like a frog and made the catch. And that's what made him so freaky. It's so crazy to think, when you're running full speed

and you gotta track a ball, your eyes are bouncing. That's some of the first things you see from your off-season training you jump into like You know start competing against guys the the first thing that you always have to dial in is the bouncy eyes My eyes would bounce and I'm going like a guy to go full speed and be able to concentrate and then like Effortlessly like a ballerina jump off one leg go back Moss a dude over to like that's that's a freak, he's a freak. I remember Jules, like you used to always brag to me,

Moss would do it, so I'm doing it. So like right after the games, like when you landed from a away game, he would go right to the weight room to get his workout in. And you'd be like, Moss is doing it, I'm gonna do it. Like you copied everything he did. Hey man. But I don't blame you man, he's the greatest of all time.

I would copy him, Tom, anyone who was around. I'm copying Wes. I'm copying, it's a copycat league. All right. You loved your dudes. I loved dudes. You loved hanging on your dudes. Well you become.

That was one dude you wanted the dude on. You become a creature of the dudes you hang around. That's the truth. You know, you become a dude of the dudes. That's why I'm a podcasting now because I've been hanging out with you Jules and you have your podcast. So I want to have a podcast.

See now it's just dudes rubbing off on dudes. So we did Randy Moss. All right, freak of nature. Freak. No doubt about it. He's a freak dude. No question. We'll be right back after this quick break.

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on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Next dude, who are we gonna do next? Bum ba bum bum bum bum bum. So do we wanna do a current player or a legend? I think let's do current. Yeah, let's do current. Someone who's playing right now.

Yeah, someone who's playing because Moss is not playing right now, so let's switch it up a little bit. All right, so the next guy we're gonna go. Yeah. You know, he's been researched. He's been researched. He, you know, he at first he was on every commercial you could see, I believe, insurance of some sort or anything. Then he got kicked out of somewhere. Yeah, someone, someone, someone's dad got him fired. Someone's from social media, a social media post from someone's dad got this guy fired. And then he goes into it goes into another environment off of like off of a plane gets a win on a Thursday night game. Then he finds a new home with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and has an unbelievable first game with four touchdowns brings him to the playoffs last year.

The guy who had to replace Tom Brady Baker Mayfield now Gronk. What does the co-pilot say? Oh, hold on. Well, let me read please see Baker Mayfield, ladies and gentlemen, AKA the Baker, AKA the baked potato, shake and bake, AKA shake and bake, AKA Shake and bake potato. Shake and bake. Aka shake and bake. Aka bake your cake.

Extra frosting with Mike Evans and Chris Godwin. You're a poet and you didn't even know it. All right. Let's see what co-pilot has to say. We're smarter than what people think. All right. I think people are dudes. So people think dudes are idiots and that's my report.

We're smart. What is Tom saying? You know, losers focus on what winners are doing when winners focus on what getting better or getting better. Well, what's ours? Losers focus on what winners do and dudes focus on other dudes? That's it, that's it, Jules.

Yeah, that's it. Coules. Yeah, that's it. Co-pilot, let's go. Baker Mayfield is known for being a dynamic and competitive quarterback with a strong arm and quick release. Quick. He is recognized for his playmaking ability, including his proficiency in extending plays

and making throws on the run. Mayfield's leadership, confidence, and competitive nature are key aspects of his game. Yeah. Though his performance can be somewhat inconsistent. Hey, Baker, that was co-pilot saying that. That's co-pilot. That's co-pilot.

And the dad that got you fired. Probably. Yeah, so he's definitely saying you are inconsistent as well. It's definitely taking the data from those. It's taking that. He has demonstrated the capability to lead offenses and make impressive plays, but his success can vary depending on the surrounding talent and coaching.

Ooh. Oh, man. Like I said, that's not me stopping. That's co-pilot. That's not me. Let's start the clock. Let's talk about Baker. We got 10 minutes.

We're going to try to chop it down. We're stopping no matter what at 10 minutes. Yes, we are. We can't go 20 minutes. Tyler, you stop us. You stop us. The only reason we went 20 minutes because it was Moss. It was 15.

Hall of Famer. No, we went 20. Ready? Go. All right, Baker Mayfield. Went to Texas Tech. Then he went to Oklahoma. I didn't even know that. So did he set out a year? I think he did. Did he? I think he sat out a year and then he went to Oklahoma, won a national championship,

won a Heisman. Did he win a national championship? He won a Heisman. Oh, and hold on. In honor of Baker Mayfield too, I'm going to take off my New England Patriots hat and I'm going to put on my other former team, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Let's go Bucs sucks. Do I have a Buccaneers hat on anyway?

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I'm gonna take off my New England Patriots hat and I'm gonna put on my other former team, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Let's go Bucs Stucks. Do I have a Buccaneers hat anywhere? Hold on. And because Baker is currently now on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers as well. He lit it up first week.

He lit it up, man. Four touchdowns, came out, you know what, Baker last year they started, or they finished the year on a high, like didn't they win a bunch of games, I think? Yes they did. They had a strong playoff run.

They beat the Eagles, who currently went, who were the former Super Bowl runner-up the year before. And then they lost to the Detroit Lions, who had a solid team, man. And the Lions played a heck of a game that game in the playoffs as well. 100%. And Baik, that's a big situation for him

to come up and replace Tom Brady at a new place. So like for him to have that confidence that AI told us about, it shows. He's so confident, he's very, you can put them in any situation and he's going to come away like he thinks he should get away, which is like, that's what you want from your guy. That is what you want. And I would say, you know,

his tough time that he had in Cleveland wasn't necessarily his fault either. I think he had a couple, you know, different offensive coordinators. And he was banged up. Remember it was last year, he tried to get hurt. He banged up a little bit.

I think a couple of different head coaches with the Cleveland Browns. It just wasn't a good situation. It was kind of a curse situation to be the quarterback of the Cleveland Browns. He was about the 15th starter in the last, what, five years for the Browns. He still won a playoff game with the Browns.

He still did. Hadn't won a playoff game in a very, very, very, very long time. He was very successful. And I feel like the Browns did, hadn't won a playoff game in a very, very, very, very long time. He was very successful. And I feel like the Browns organization and players just needed someone to blame. I would say that's kind of why he got shipped out of there. He was just the easy guy to blame. The easy guy to go after is always the quarterback.

It was, I mean, you know, he put himself in a lot of those situations with, you know, you put on the TV, you would see Bake everywhere. mean, you know, he put himself in a lot of those situations with, you know, you put on the TV, you would see Bake everywhere. Yeah, you would. You know, and so when you do those types of things, expectation and standards get to an even crazier level and the people don't manage them.

And like, he goes out that last year that he had, he had a, he needed to get shoulder surgery. So he tries to play hurt and he looked, he didn't look like himself. He didn't play very well. It was very inconsistent. And then they go and ship him off the next year, you know, and they bring in, you know, Deshaun.

So, you know, but what has he done? He's leaned back on what he is. He's a competitor, man. This dude competes to the very end. You've seen it in all facets of his career, from college, when he took the flag and he spiked it. Like this guy's just a fiery dude. He's got a swagger to him.

You know, he's kind of polarizing with a lot of people at the beginning of his career. You either loved him or you hated him. But now he's gotten to a point where he's gotten that second life. He ate that mushroom in Mario and got that extra life. And now like people are kind of like rooting for him because they kind of understand him a little more.

And he's, you know, I think he's coming to his own this year. He has come into his own. And I feel like he learned from his mistakes as well, man. He's a good dude, man. And he's resilient, man. He was a walk-on at Texas Tech and then whatever he did, I don't know his whole story, transferred to Oklahoma. He was a He-on at Texix Tech and then whatever he did, I don't know his whole story, transferred to Oklahoma. He was a Heisman winner.

I mean, who goes from walk-on to Heisman winner? He must be one of the few, if not the only one to ever do that. He's got some Baker swag. He is now signed after bouncing, leaving Cleveland, getting shipped out, going to the Panthers. You just know that he's kind of like a dude's dude. He's kind of like a dog.

He's headbutting other players to get him going without his helmet on, just bleeding all over the place. Other players love to see that. Your teammates love to see that. That means you're just all in with them. Didn't you recently, you've thrown with them a few times, haven't you? Yes, I haven't thrown with them yet.

We had a couple times, a couple plan sessions to throw and then actually The field the place told us that it was occupied So they didn't want Baker and the grunt on their field. That's fucking bullshit. Yeah, we would have teared up their field too much I think that's what it was and they had a game that night or something But he went from Cleveland can't just throw spikes on that ruin of the Carolina. And the best thing I think ever happened to him was going to LA for like that half season and going under coach John McVeigh and getting that opportunity to start a couple games and just show people who he really was, man. You know, just to go in a new program, they be there for a week or two, uh, learn from his lessons. I mean, mistakes, I would say

over the past, the years prior and just go in and go win a game on Thursday night football. And then the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, they need a quarterback. That's a team that I know that you shut down. I mean, I know Tom called you and was like, Hey Jules, you want to come to the Buccaneers? And, and you said, no, I'm a Patriot for life. You were too cool for us. So, uh, yeah. So Baker, not Baker though. No, no, he's a patriot for life. You were too cool for us. So yeah, so Baker, not Baker though. No, no, he's a dudes dude. He said, I ain't too cool for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Like Julian, the squirrel, Adam, man, I'm going to go there.

I'm going to show them what's under contract, Rob. This is a resurgence of my career, which would have been a resurgence of your career, Jules. If you came down, you would probably still be playing with this guy if you went to the bus. I had to go down with the ship, buddy. He showed him what's up last year.

I had to go down with the goddamn ship. Have you seen Titanic? You know the old captain? Yes, yes. That's like me and, you know the violin guy? Yes. I'm playing goddamn thing. You're the violin guy.

I'm playing. I respect that, bro. I respect that. You had to go down with it. But back to Baker. Yes. So I worked out with Baker, you know, you thought I threw it at him, but I said I worked out. Obviously you didn't fricking pay attention to me, Julian,

when I was talking to you a couple of days ago. I was. Yeah, you knew I hung out with him, but I said I worked out with him. I didn't throw with him. But I might've said actually that we had a couple throwing sessions planned, but they got canceled. But-

Did you catch a ball from him? No, I did not catch a ball from him. He didn't throw a single ball. No, he did not throw a single ball, but he's like a, he's the ultimate like teammate. He's like an ultimate locker room guy. It's like a guy that, you know, quarterbacks aren't really like this.

I mean, he's a quarterback that will go have a beer with you at the bar. He's a quarterback that'll, yeah, and get fucked up with you. We didn't get fucked up or anything like that. I'm just saying, I could just tell he's a guy like that. He's a guy that will come over and chop it up while watching the game, whatever it is.

The WNBA or if it's soccer, whatever it is, he'll have his opinion, he'll make you laugh. He's a guy that would be- He's kind of like a politician. No, he's not a politician at all. But if you think about it, he's like the mayor of the locker room. He kind of like,

In a way, but no. Hey, what's up dude? No, politicians are sometimes bullshit. He's no bullshit. Nah, he's no bullshit. He's no bullshit, Jules. He's a guy that wants to see you be an absolute dog. He's a guy that's cheering you on.

I was breaking some PR records this year in the weight room and he was cheering me on and we were going nuts after the PR records that I hit. He's just hyping me up. I'm hyping him up to break PR records. He's a guy that's not afraid to get dirty. He's under the bench press. He's doing the squats with you. He's doing the dead lifts.

And what I really like about the dude is like he's just a normal dude, man. He just wants to have a good time. He actually signed a three year, $100 million deal the morning of, and then he came to the workout session that day and it was like nothing happened. It was just like he showed up, he didn't have an ego, he didn't have a big head or nothing. He just showed up.

Learn from the mistakes. Frickin' put the work in that day and hit some more PRs. And that's what I appreciate about him. He's a dude, man, he's a dog. He wants to get dirty. He wants to just have a good time. He wants to laugh, you know? He's just fiery.

Fiery, he is. I can see him doing that. And he's, I mean, he's a funny guy. He is funny. He is definitely funny. He's got a good personality. He does. He's got a great personality, that's for sure.

He's gritty, you know? I would see, I feel like he would get in the trenches with you. You'd definitely get in the trenches with him. If necessary. You can't, you know, there's something to be said. You know, I bet you Cleveland looking back on this whole thing is probably like, man,

we probably wish we had Baker still. Cleveland made a mistake, that's for sure, letting Baker Mayfield go. They 100% did. I think it was the best thing that happened to Baker was him getting let go by Cleveland. I mean, they're cursed cursed bro, they're cursed. Their quarterback situation's cursed.

I would say the best quarterback they had was Joe Flacco. And then they let him go. He's a backup now with the Colts. Beep, 10 minutes up. Game over, final thoughts. Final thoughts. Oh man. Our final.

Walk on, walk on the Heisman. So in the category, I mean this one is pretty easy to me too. You know, you got stud, you have freak, you have a whiz, you have a dude's dude, and you have a dog. Dog, he's relentless, motivated, self-motivated, physical, mental toughness, proved his physical toughness, trying to play a year with a bum shoulder. I'm saying Bakes a dog. You really, you're going with dog? I was gonna say his best two attributes, I would say,

is being a dog and a dude's dude. So dude's dude or dog? I would say since I worked out with him, I felt like he was a dude's dude. He was definitely a dog. There's no doubt about that, but- I can see dude's dude too. He definitely a dog. There's no doubt about that, but I can see dudes dude positive guy He had great attitude. He was a locker room guy. He was calm

You know, he was collected. That's for sure dudes dudes always thought it too. Like it like Optimistic way. I see that I'm going yeah, the dudes dude is perfect. I feel like he was a dudes dude my man Yeah, dude's dude is thanks a dudes dude go play paintball with you He go frickin to the bar pound six beers even busters Dave and busters whatever you name it He oh pickleball I play pickleball with a man. He good just a normal dude, man Just a normal dude out there. Just trying to have a good time. Yeah, he's decent. Nah, actually. Nah, he wasn't that good at pickleball. Scottie Miller and I beat him. Scottie Miller is really good. Is he? Yeah. Scottie Miller really good. Is he like tennis player? Yeah. He's like a little like,

he's like the guy that just want to slap because he's just always just nonstop going and pickleball like always talking garbage. Yeah. He's a flea. He's just got a Miller's to flea and pickleball, but he's. Garry. The flea. Yeah, he's the flea. Scottie Miller's the flea in Pickleball. But he's great to have on your team. By that. Yeah. Dude's dude for Baker. All right, let's get to our last guy.

Our last guy is someone that played before us. We never played with him. Legend. Tall, handsome. Crazy stories about him. You know, urban legends about like, he would only have. Aldubles. Aldubles.

What does that mean? We're not saying what the aldubles mean. I don't even know what that means. What type of aldubles they were. But I heard the word in the street was El Dubles only or nothing. What does El Dubles mean? Not just one, but two jewels.

El Dubles. He was so good looking, he wouldn't allow just one. El Dubles it is. He would allow two only. I mean, that's just a word on the street. That's a word on the street. That's the urban myth. And let me tell you, it was my rookie year

when I heard that urban myth. And man, did I think it was one of the coolest things I've ever heard. I wanted to be like this guy more than anyone else, man. L. DuBle, Tony Gonzalez. I mean, I already kind of know already from the beginning what category he fits in but well, it's Our co-pilot say Rob. Let's see what our co-pilot says about Tony

Mmm good old Tony Gonzalez He basically has every record in the record book at number one for a tight a long time Keep it for the time limit. We'll keep talking about keep For a tight end. Keep it for the time limit. We'll keep it for the time limit. They're talking about, oh, keep it for the time limit. All right. Hit the time limit now. We're going to start the time limit when the co-pilot starts. That makes sense. We're taking off.

Co-pilot, check your engines. Check. Engines on. Tony Gonzalez was a highly skilled and versatile tight end in American football. Known for his exceptional receiving abilities, he was renowned. Right? That was the right word again. Renowned. Hey, they use this word twice now. I mean, you know, that's not good English skills. But it's not good.

We're smarter than co-pilot for his precise route running, reliable hands and athleticism over his career. Gonzalez became one of the greatest tight ends in NFL history. Earning 14 Pro Bowl selections. Let me put this stat into perspective. I've only played 11 football seasons in my career. 14 Pro Bowl selections.

Timeless, Latin don't crack, baby. They don't. And numerous records for receptions and receiving yards at his position, including the tight end touchdown record as well. I think he has like 126 touchdowns. Actually, no. Antonio Gates holds that record.

Yeah, he does. My bad. But Tony Gonzalez holds every other record. All right. His ability to contribute both as a receiver and a blocker made him a key asset to any offense. And that's the truth. He played for two teams. He was an absolute legend with the Kansas City Chiefs.

And then he went to like the Atlanta Falcons at like what? 33, 34 years old. And still balled. And still balled at that age. I remember coach Belichick. We played the Falcons a couple of times when I was a rookie, second year, third year player. And all he did was circle Tony Gonzalez and said, we have to stop this guy. We want to win. If we want to have, you know, the ability to have a chance. If the defense wants to perform well, we have to stop Tony Gonzalez.

We got to jam them off the line. He makes contested catches. So you got to follow through with the play, you know, make sure he doesn't get up and jump over you. That makes sure he doesn't turn and get that ball. You got to follow every movie makes from the start of the play to the end of the play and You got to double cover him. You got it. You got him. I loved him though, cuz oh my god, I remember at Berkeley He was playing basketball Duncan on dudes. Like he was a fucking athlete. He's he's one of the first like on dudes like he was a fucking athlete. He's he's one of the first like athletic tight ends,

like pure athlete tight ends that the game has seen. He was he was so smooth and he was one of the first ever to start that tradition of hey, a basketball player, a power forward can play in the NFL at the tight end position. And he played basketball at Cal. So shout out to the Pac 10. He played in the Pac 10. He played in the Pac-10. RIP. I played in the Pac-10.

Yes, rest in peace to the whole Pac-12 conference. I didn't get to play in the Pac-10, but keep going, RP. Yeah. He made it to the Sweet 16 at the University of California. And in 2002, he played in the NBA Summer League as well for the Miami Heat. That's just the type of athlete Tony Gonzalez was. And I feel like that's kind of why he was the player he was

and why he was so durable too, cause he had that basketball background. I feel like basketball players sustain their athleticism and skillset way longer than football players. They're way more fluid. They're way more flexible. There's so much more smooth. I feel like it's just-

Less muscle is sometimes better for that. It is. And I feel like football players trained well. I mean, trained the wrong way. We trained too hard. We trained too hard. Made us too stiff. And that's what made him the player that he was

because he trained like a basketball player. He always just, he just was smooth always. He always looked smooth. Apparently, the urban religion is that he's smooth off the field as well. But, you know, whenever you saw him go up and catch a ball, like in slow motion, it almost looked like he was a dancer, like with how effortless and light he was on his feet for such a big dude. And then him always dunking the football on the goalpost is something that I remember through my childhood

and early on in my career when he was at the later part of his career that he did all the time. And kind of like that football, you know, I mean the basketball transition to the NFL. I feel like the guy was so durable as well. He missed like what, two games in his career? Yeah. Played what, how many seasons? You only missed two games?

18 seasons? How many seasons did he play? 18, 19, 20? It was something ridiculous. That's insane. It was just nuts. He was just an absolute animal. So smooth, so athletic,

and he was great off the field too. One of the best looking guys I've ever seen. Still. Still to this day. Still handsome. He still looks like he can play. I was watching him on Thursday Night Football last night, but he's a great analyst as well, you know? He just speaks the truth.

He gives his insight. He's great for Amazon. And he was just looking, so he was looking tan, shiny, handsome. He had that white outfit on with like, he had like that French kind of thing going. Hair dude was on point. Hair has always been on point. Tony Gonzalez has had spectacular, it seems like it hasn't colored.

I bet this guy would walk into a club or bar in middle of his heydays and he wouldn't even have to say a word and the fricking janitors would have to come out and put those signs as say, caution wet. Don't slip. He is that because he got all the girls panties going. There's no doubt. He didn't even have to say a word. He would just walk in. That's the type of swag Tony Gonzalez has. He was that good looking and swaggy aura.

And it translated to the field as well. His play was just like a good looking. Rob, what are some of the things that you tried to emulate from Tony's game? Just overall, he was a complete tight end as well. It wasn't the greatest blocker of all time, but he did it. He exemplified what being a tight end was, you know, he went pancake guys, but he would get in the way. He would move guys. He was willing to block.

Um, that's kind of what made him so great. Just as a kid, Tony Gonzalez was one of my heroes growing up. I remember in Buffalo, when I was there growing up, I was in high school, you know, the bills weren't that good, but there was a chance that Tony Gonzalez was about to get traded to the Buffalo Bills because he eventually did get traded to the Atlanta Falcons. And there was always talk because he was always

on such crappy teams in Kansas City. And he always performed, he always produced. And that's what made him so great. But there was always trade talks as well at the end of his career with Kansas City for like five years, because he wanted to go win. And I remember our whole entire high school

was talking about Tony Gonzalez going to the Buffalo Bills. Just how excited we all were, because Tony Gonzalez was gonna possibly get traded. It just never happened. Could you imagine high school version of Rob and his boys in Buffalo like, Tony Gonzalez is here, we're back to the Super Bowl. Exactly, that was exactly how it went. Oh my God.

You know, he really did evolve. I think he's one of the huge figures or guys that help evolve the tight end position in that 90s window. Now there was great tight ends, the Winslows and the Dickas in the back of the day. Those were really great tight ends, but it was kind of like those guys

put their hand in the dirt and they were just kind of like an extension of the run game that sometimes went out to catch a pass. Tony Gonzalez, he came, like he became, I remember watching him, which we used to do a lot with you, putting him outside the formation in the red area and saying, hey, we're just gonna play jump ball with our tight end.

Like I don't remember that before Tony Gonzalez, and I'm sure people are gonna hit us in the comment sections with a bunch of guys that did. But like for my era of football that I grew up with, that's what I remember. Tony Gonzales just always having the ball in his hand, always doubled, finding a way like super savvy route runner like space guy because of basketball.

It's very similar to basketball in space. He was great at the space. And then, you know, the guy was just freaking good looking. He was good looking. That was a great way to end that, you know, that phrase of just everything you said about him. Could you imagine, he'd probably be considered one of the best, because they say one of the best

with Tony Gonzalez. If he had a Super Bowl, would he be the best? I feel like that not winning the Super Bowl is definitely hindering him. Yeah. It kind of sucks because he did everything possible and then more every single year. Every year. It was like-

For a long time. It wasn't like he had, I think he led the league in receptions one year in 2004, 102 catches. Like when was the last time I think he led the league in receptions one year in 2004, 102 catches. Like when was the last time a tight end led the league in receptions? And like the next year, he would have 95 receptions. The next year he would edit 85. The next year he would have whatever 90 more again. Like he was so freaking consistent and he never won a championship. Like that's a tough situation to be in. That's sad. That kind of sucks as a player to play that long and be that consistent and just never been on the right team.

Yeah. You know? He kind of almost won one with Atlanta. I think they went to the playoffs a couple of times. But that was when we were in our era. You weren't going to beat us Patriots. But that just sucks having little team success and always just giving it your all and always showing up.

And it's hindering him, I would say, in the tight end rankings. You know, people say, oh, Gronk, which is myself, Kelsey, you know. I mean, Tony Gonzalez is always up there, but I see people not put him in their top five before. Like, you know, there's Antonio Gates, well, it's Mike Dicker, they say, you know. Winslow. Yeah, Winslow.

But Tony Gonzalez exemplified what being a tight end is. He's the one. Especially nowadays. He's the one that made being a tight end cool to younger kids like myself. I mean, he was such a badass in Kansas City, his rookie year, he had a flu game, a Jordan type flu game where he balled the fuck out,

managed to catch a touchdown pass, and he credited the performance to eating some chicken soup. Like, how smooth is this guy? Well what food gives you superpower, Jules? Chicken soup was Tony Gonzalez's superpower. I would say tomato soup. I'm more of a tomato soup guy. I feel like you were the English muffin

with sausage, egg, cheese, sausage, English muffin. I remember every single day you ate that and it was like giving you your superpower. I'd have a smoothie at five and then I'd have my right before team meeting sausage, egg and cheese. Yeah, that's what it is. That was your superpower. Love a sausage. Tomato soup?

I've never seen you have tomato soup, buddy. I love tomato soup. Yeah, I've never seen you eat it. But I was just trying to reference it because of soup. Yeah, but you never eat tomato soup. Did you have a favorite pregame soup superpower? Yeah, I did. I always had my chocolate milk with a peanut butter

and jelly and the jelly was my mom's homemade jelly. What's a homemade jelly? What kind of fruit? Strawberry, strawberry jam. Your mom made homemade jam? Yeah, it's the best strawberry jelly ever. I remember she came over with that chicken buffalo dip or whatever. Yeah, that was good.

With rich crackers and that's what you dip it in? She made that as well. Stop talking about my mom. Let's get on to, let's get on to. That's what dudes do though. Dudes do talk about moms though, I mean, so. All the time. I guess so, I mean, you're giving her props,

so I guess you can keep talking about my mom. I ain't saying anything sideways about mama grog. Yeah, you're not, but I know where you go. Anything I'm, I'm. I know where you go. Get out of here. Mrs. Ellerman, I love her. I just saw her.

You remember at the live show? Yeah. That was cool. Your dad was there, so I couldn't get a little inappropriate. 10 minutes. So 10 minutes is up. And what kind of dude is Tony Gonzalez? This one was easy.

I mean, he's like I said, he's a dude's dude. He's a dog. He's a freak. But the most, you know, the most characteristic that Tony Gonzalez exemplifies is definitely on and off the field big time. Like no doubt about it. He's a fricking stud. Stud. He's a stud at everything he does. Basketball, football, analyst, breaking every record bar settings. He's probably a stud. Breaking every record.

Bar settings, he's probably a stud. Yeah, super stud. Super stud. He's like that horse that you like, you know, you go out and you made it. Yeah, you get that stud come. Yeah, he's a stud. He's the stud horse.

I wonder if he has a thing as big as a horse too. Cause yeah, he's a stud. I'm not kind of trying to imagine that, but I would probably say so. But you just imagined it. Yeah, I would probably say so. That's just Tony. He's such a stud muffin.

He's like every muffin too, stud muffin. He's a blueberry muffin. He's a cinnamon muffin. He's the regular muffin Well, they're muffins either. I like a lemon. Yeah lemon poppy. He's a poppy seed He like he makes those girls like feel like they're numb Yeah Cuz that's what poppy seeds do don't they they give you a high like morphine high if you eat enough I think that's where they make heroin from,

but I don't think that's from the muffin though. No, it's from the poppy seeds. Yeah, but like I think there's like a real extensive. That's why he's a lemon poppy seed. Yeah, but he is the extraction. We'll be right back after this quick break. This week, Charlamagne the God sits down with Vice President Kamala Harris for a conversation

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And you know what? I need a break, like a mental health break from the news, from the triggering headlines. And I kind of suspect some of you listening out there might need a break too. So my new podcast is gonna be just that. A fun and loose space where I talk to my famous friends and people I admire about all the stuff that consumes us

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So grab your pumpkin spice dust off that Ouija board Just don't call me unless it's urgent. And tune in for new episodes every week. Remember, October 22nd, the veils are thin, the stories are spooky, and your favorite ghost host is back and badder than ever. Listen to Haunting starting on October 22nd on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Before we wrap up, let's do one final segment.

Let's grade. We're gonna have one segment that's always a little random at the end of each show. And this one, we're gonna talk former teammates that are also in the media world with us. I like this, I like this. All right, all right, let's start off. Let's start off with Devin McCordy. First off, I think I was a first in the media world.

You know, I'm competitive. Robbie, I was a first right when I retired from New England. All you idiots were still playing. And I went into the media world just laughing. And actually I started off in the media world with the furry squirrel that he's going to always get his nut in the end zone. He's always going to score. The furry squirrel is always going to come out on top. So thank you, Jules, for starting my media career,

my analyst career, my being on TV career, whatever you call it. Thank you for just being you. Thank you. And then here you come, you retire, and then I go back to football like an idiot. You're laughing at me now. I was there when you were playing.

I was inside the NFL for your last year. And now who we got? So we're grading our former teammates. We got Coach Belchuk. We'll start with Devin McCordy. What's, I mean, Devin, I think his first show wore two Super Bowl rings. Didn't he wear a couple of Super Bowl rings on the show?

Did he? So what is that, like a little corny? That's cornball. Cornball. That's cornball. Devin McCordy, cornball, man. Oh, he's gonna come after us now. He already came, cornball, man. Oh, he's going to come after us now. He already came after me a million times.

Yeah, he has. I love when he comes after you. It makes me laugh. I want him to come after me. He's going to definitely take the funniest shot at both of us now. Yeah, but you know what? He tries so hard at it.

No. He's a hardo. He's a hardo. He's a hardo cornball. But he's having success. He's a hard-oad cornball. But he's having success. He's fucking great. NBC Sunday Night Football? He kills it.

I think he's- He's having success. He's doing well. He's so smart and he knows how to talk very well. His smile is contagious. It is. Just like bright white smile, just goes with his complexion. It's like just sticks right out at you.

He's- It's beautiful. You know, a guy that gives the freaking post pregame speech is gonna be great on TV, okay? He gave the goddamn pregame speech. I gave no speech, that's why I'm still struggling, Jules. Say it. That's why we're struggling.

That's why we got a podcast. That's why we're dudes on dudes, because dudes on dudes are always struggling in life. For real, we're freaking spending our last dollars to get to the game and buy a beer. Yeah. Yeah. Freaking. But we're always laughing, having a good time.

That's what dudes on dudes is about, always laughing, dude. Always laughing. No matter what the comment is, good, bad, negative, positive, helpful, not helpful. I wouldn't say I'm always like that. I get cranky. Yeah, me too, sometimes. All right, let's go to Rob Ninkovic. He has a podcast, he was on TV.

First off, Rob Ninkovic was the biggest wuss when he was on ESPN. It was like he was still under Coach Belichick's training monologue. Like he was still scared to say anything that he wanted to say, his thoughts, he was scared. And then he was- He could see it in his eyes when he was talking.

You could see it in his eyes, and he blames everyone else. Why? Why? He's not there. They booted his ass. They booted his ass. He just booted your ass. But we love him and we want him on a pile. We're going to get him on the bottom. He absolutely killed it on your podcast.

I think I think I think I think Niko's very, very entertaining. He and he has he's got low key great impressions. And I always say that to him, like, dude, just let yourself go. Like, stop thinking. And now he's taking it to another level, saying he hates Matt Jones. He's going to beat him up.

Did he say he's going to slap him? He's going to fight him. Like, what? You're going to fight Matt Jones, the guy's on the Jaguars now? Like, you're going too far now. He doesn't know the in-between. I love that guy so much.

I love the podcast. I love Nico. I think he's good on TV. I think he's good. He is good. James White, he's been the most talkative I've ever seen in the world. James White never said a word in his life.

Until I saw, I didn't realize he spoke until I saw him on TV and he's fucking great. Yeah, and you wanna know the best thing? I just saw a clip of him on Instagram this morning. And he goes, whenever it was a college, he had a college tackle. He goes, whenever, whenever, you know, we threw an interception and I was on the field,

I like to make the other team pay for it, for the interception. And then it fricking shows him making the tackle, laid out the guy and he fumbled the ball on the hit. He goes, he was just waking him up, just waking up. I'm like commentary by James White. What the just wait. You got to see it just the way he said it. Just waking him up. You know, he's always making them pay. He was always slick with the comment. A quiet comment out of left field. You hear James White. What the fuck was that James? The guys that never talk. You listen

when they talk and you listen when James talk. And you listen when James White, it's awesome to see him on TV. Brian Hoyer and David Andrews have started a podcast. That was a little weird when I saw that one. I was like, Hoyer and David Andrews? But I guess, you know, they touch each other a lot. Oh yeah, yeah they did. Center, quarterback exchange.

They gotta, you know, I mean, as a former quarterback, you have a connection with the guys, balls that you touch all the time. Yeah, that did. Center quarterback exchange. They got to, you know, I mean, as a former quarterback, you have a connection with the guys' balls that you touch all the time. Yeah, that's true. And God forbid it be on like a Saturday practice where no one's wearing jocks and you guys are doing like walkthrough and you feel having to lift his ball sack up

when you put his hand under. Like there's a connection. So I understand the podcast. I think it's gonna be a great podcast. I haven't had a chance to watch it yet. I haven't had a chance either, but you know, Hoyer wasn't really a talkative guy either. I mean, he was, but not too much.

Quiet, behind the scenes. He was quiet talkative. So that's why I was like surprised to see him doing the podcast. He does, he always had state of the unions though. Like in, he'd always like be talking in the locker with someone. You think he wanted to, you know,

like have that feeling, like he's David Andrews guy and not Tom, like you know? Yeah, I mean. Like I'm David Andrews guy, like I get to feel his balls still, not you Tom. Cause he was, you know, he's another. He loved Tom. Yeah, he loved Tom, so.

Yeah, he could. Am I going too far? Is this like one of your friends take names, a soft that I'm just going way overboard now? Just coming up with some crazy shit? It's definitely, that's an a soft take. Yeah. All right, let's go with the-

Not all our takes are gonna be good. No. They're not. Dudes on dudes, we got some shitty takes sometimes. Yeah, we're fucking just dumb dudes. What's smart is shit. But not idiot dudes that aren't dumb. not idiot dudes that aren't dumb. Idiot dudes that aren't dumb. What about media, butterfly, socialite,

coach Bill Belichick now? Coach Belichick, man, he's killing the game out. I kinda like it, because everyone always said throughout our career, hey, you know, coach Belichick is different off the field. Like, you know, all his friends say that, all the people that hung out and former players, it's like, you gotta see him off the field.

I'm like, he's my fricking coach. I'm never gonna see him. I don't wanna see him off the field. Can I see him every day already? And this is a highlight of him off the field. Yeah, I mean, he is kind of like a dude a little bit. He is a dude. He has dude characteristics.

He didn't as a coach, but he has dude characteristics in ways. I think he's been good. I honestly, if you want to see the real Bill, okay, this is what you do. You put cameras in a dark room and you just get the shittiest football plays from that week of the NFL

and you just watch them react and grade that film. That would be real Bill Belichick. That's what I wanna see. It would be. I just wanna see him just chirping someone and calling someone the biggest asshole because they're just messing up play after play after play, and they're not listening to the coaching points

and just going off on them. I wanna see that type of Bill Belichick on whatever show he's going on. That's exactly, but he's been very knowledgeable though. He kills it. I mean, he's a fucking, he's an encyclopedia. He's seen more football than we've played in. Like he's forgotten more football

than important games we've played in. Yes, and according to the roast, he has forgotten all of Tom's touchdown passes and he still remembers yours though, Jules. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha He always did. He wanted to be a regular guy, even though he wasn't. Yeah, he's not a regular guy. He's too big time to be a regular guy. No, but I think that was a great starting point for Tom. And we all know Tom's characteristics. He's gonna take this game and he's gonna learn from it.

And he's gonna do everything he can to make himself better, which that was such a shitty first game, if you think about it, a blowout for your first game, Cowboys, Browns. thought it was gonna be a such a closer game but you know I'm looking forward to seeing them this week and I'm excited for him man I'm excited to watch him cuz he's gonna see I want Tom Brady to be the best commentator of all time and you want to know what makes Tom Brady the best of all time is when people doubt him yeah Yeah, so Tom you suck, bro

You suck man Yeah, let me tell you He's gonna make me pay for that He's gonna show me up now and that's our you didn't suck that I just wanted to say no It didn't suck. He was really good very knowledgeable We were lucky enough to be around the most knowledgeable coach of all time and most knowledgeable player of all time. 100%.

But we all know Tom plays better pissed off. So yeah, Tom, you sucked. Yeah, what else? You said he sucked. What else? What else did you say? He couldn't fill air time. Just like his ball.

He couldn't fill the air on the deep ball. I just thought the air time was a little... On the deep ball, he couldn't fill the air on the deep ball. I just thought the air time was a little... On the deep ball, he couldn't fill the air either. So he's not a deep ball or air. He's just not, he just can't fill air. We can't even put this out there because he will get so sensitive. He's sensitive, Tom.

He is. Oh, he can give it to you, but he can't take it. No. Never. That's a wrap. All right, that's a wrap. And that's a wrap of our first episode. How do you think it went? I think it was all right. You know, I feel like we started, we started really hitting the groove on the last segment. That's for sure. I feel like my endorphin

started flying then I was really, I'm not lying. I felt like it was a game day. I was really nervous this morning. It was like, what the heck's going on with me? Why is my whole body jittery? I don't like that feeling. Cause like kind of feel stiff. And then it's kind of like any other game in my career. It always happened. And then halfway through,

after I got smacked in the face a couple of times, I woke up and I feel like that's exactly what happened. I feel like I performed decently. You did great as well, but I started becoming myself really in the end more. So was it the Anthony Gonzalez bar room setting talk of him being a stud is which got your endorphins up?

It really is what got my endorphins up. So I feel like I can definitely improve big time. I think we, dude, it's our first episode. This is gonna be so fun. It's fun. And I can't wait for other if we have fun people are gonna have fun. That's just how you know I think it goes. I don't think I had the most fun I could possibly have but until again, I think we really had fun then and that's what we need to be We got to be loose

I was uptight a little bit at first because just like I said I'm feeling it out feeling it. And we want to get good. And we want to get so loose that we're just here chopping it up and it's like we're seriously just on the couch, just bullshitting, laughing. How loose? So loose, like as loose as the freaking damage that Dildo did that was thrown on the field at the Buffalo

game that was thrown at you when you scored the touchdown that loose like as loose as that fan use that thing on whoever he used it on it wasn't mine it said Brady's dildo okay now we're talking like this loose remember to subscribe on Apple podcast Spotify wherever you listen to podcasts. Comment a game you want us to do and remember. No, not a game, Julian. A player that you want us to do. Comment a player. But we're dudes. We make mistakes. We're not here. We're not perfect.

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