Games with Names - Dudes on Thanksgiving

Episode Date: November 28, 2024

Happy Thanksgiving! In honor of the holiday and the football that goes with it, we're getting on some of the greatest turkey day performers in NFL history. Our first dude had incredible longevity and helped build a dynasty in Big D. Our next guy is a Hall of Famer that's as synonymous with Thanksgiving as turkey and stuffing. Finally, we talk about an overalls-wearing grill master who gave us one of the most infamous plays in Thanksgiving football history. We wrap it up by equating NFL players to classic Thanksgiving foods. Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I didn't know you could buy semi trucks. Welcome to Dudes on Dudes. I'm Julian Edelman. And I'm Rob Grankowski. And this is the show where your favorite dudes get to talk about their favorite dudes. And on today's episode, in order to celebrate Thanksgiving, we are gonna talk about some Thanksgiving legends.

That's right, Jules. We get into one of the greatest running backs of all time. Popped out his shoulder and he just kept going. All right. Next, who we got, Jules? We had 10 games on Turkey Day, seven and three record. The other team that played on Thanksgiving, not America's team. But it could be America's team now. It could be.

And then we get into our one and only. And the story behind the iconic butt fumble on Thanksgiving. Oh my God, that butt fumble. And we wrap up by determining what Thanksgiving dishes your favorite NFL players are. Football, turkey. I love everything on my Thanksgiving dish, Jules. You gotta stick around to the very end. Let's go!

Dude's on Dudes is a production of iHeartRadio. Today's Thanksgiving, and we wanted to bring a special episode dedicated to all Thanksgiving-themed things. We're gonna go Thanksgiving players. We're going to go over some of our Thanksgiving memories and what Thanksgiving means to us. Happy Thanksgiving. Joel's the best holiday of the year.

For sure it is. You know, incorporates family, incorporates pilgrims. Pilgrims. Yes. Native Americans. Yes. Not Christopher Columbus. Native American. Yes. We're back. Food. My favorite. Mm hmm. And football. Oh, football. Oh, my favorite. All American day. Yes. We're back. Food. My favorite.

And football. Oh, football. Oh, my favorite. All right. All right. Now we're talking. What else? Family.

Family. Yes. Childhood memories. There's so many memories associated with Thanksgiving. Fights. Family fights. Always fighting. And there's Turkey Day football before you had organized football.

Like Turkey Day is just so much. What was your favorite thing to do on Thanksgiving? My favorite thing to do on Thanksgiving since I grew up on the West Coast, football started so early. So like you'd wake up there wasn't isn't there a game at like nine o'clock, 12 o'clock? There's usually three games a day. So you got a 12 o'clock game, East Coast, a three o'clock and then a six o'clock. West Coast, you wake up, it's nine o'clock and there's football on.

So you wake up. Mom's already cooking. You organize your team for your turkey day game that you're going to go play with your boys and stall staff. You know, just, just a bunch of fun. And the weather is a little colder. Thanksgiving is the best. Thanksgiving is the best.

I think of the times when we were younger, because when we played in the league, we never had things we never really, we worked worked on Thanksgiving for real, even in college, too. You know, if you played football in the Division one level, you know, in the pros, you never really had Thanksgiving. You're having Thanksgiving dinner with your teammates. Whose house did you go to for Thanksgiving? Whose house did I go to?

Alignment. Yeah, it was. Was it kind of was it Dan Conley's house? Fuckin I go that year. I've been to Dan Connelly's house? Was it Dan Connelly's house? Did you go that year? I've been to Dan Connelly, Light, I always had one. Yeah, that's who. Connelly. Connelly and Mankins, him and his wife would always have us over. Like there was always a veteran group guy that always had all the Young Bucks. When we were Young Bucks that didn't have family in the area would always host.

And I remember Dan Connelly did one year and he was like the best cook. He made homemade marshmallows. I think he even made homemade beer for the night. The Matlai have wild meat. Oh, without a doubt. So I'm don't you remember Conley, he would do three turkeys. He would deep fry a regular like butterball bake a wild game turkey. And then there's like a third turkey that he would roast or something like or barbecue. He did like three turkeys. He was amazing.

Remember how good that food was? It was so good. The fried turkey right there, they made in front of us. He wouldn't let anyone get around it because he wanted to just make it spectacular and like to the T of like the exact way it was supposed to be made. And it was good, man.

It was like moist when it was done. I mean, delicious. Who ate the most turkey on our team? Anytime it comes to kind of any food eating contest, my mind instantly goes to Marcus Cannon. I don't know why. Guy's a machine. I mean, he can lift the most.

So kind of transitions to being able to eat the most. What's your favorite memory of Thanksgiving? When we played the Detroit Lions, because we played them on Thanksgiving. I never really been home before. Yeah. Or Thanksgiving in a long time since I was in high school. So to be able to play in Detroit, we got the win that week. We were the old game. Yes, we did.

We had the throwback, the red uniforms on that. I was one of the coolest games out there because Ford field is one of the greatest, you know, atmospheres in all of football. I feel like, you know, it's an old atmosphere in the factory, the old Ford factory fields like down to the ground just feels like a football atmosphere, like the new stadiums, the new domes are too futuristic. You know what I mean? It feels like it's a it's built for entertainment, not for football. So Ford Field is still one of those domes that has that feel. So I remember that game. We beat him. There's a couple of fights on the field. I got in a fighter to who?

One of those DBS that are rushing on field goal. Yeah. So he was rushing on field goal talking garbage. So, you know, I'm the wingman. You're supposed to go like this and then that and try to take two guys. I literally just ran full speed at the DB and tried decking him on field goal. Yeah, I did that. And then I started to fight and the mat light came over. He was pushing everyone around.

He loved that action and I love it too. But what I loved about Thanksgiving though after that game was I hopped in the car with my mom because she was at the game and we drove back home to Buffalo that night so I got to spend Thanksgiving night with my family for the first time in quite

some time, which was a privilege, man. It felt good to do that. So I won a game and then I fell game in Detroit, my rookie season. And then I went home, had Thanksgiving dinner with my family. And then I went out to the bar, you know, Amherst, Alhouse. And I got to see everyone from my childhood, growing up from high school. And that's kind of the definition of what Thanksgiving should be, man. It's about bringing the old timers back.

It's about bringing the old memories back and just enjoying them. Your family, your friends, you know, you don't forget where you come from when it comes to Thanksgiving. No, that that Wednesday night, like we we don't get to experience it. But that Wednesday night before Thanksgiving, where you get to go to the local bar with all your friends and stuff. I've done it a couple of times and I was on IR. It's just it's a it's a comfort feeling because it's the people

you you remember growing up with and you get to go home to a great meal the next day and see all your family and enjoy the fighting, the love, the love that's there, the fighting that's there. Enjoy the football. I mean, it's just so it's it's so what you remember as a kid. Like that's what kid kid life was, you know, that Wednesday night before Thanksgiving, they claim. I don't know. I think the Internet claims are all the partiers claim.

It's the biggest party night of the year. Bigger than New Year's, bigger than any Saturday night out there. They say the Wednesday night before Thanksgiving's the biggest party night in America. Is that true, Jules? I never done it before. I never been out on a Wednesday night before Thanksgiving because I always have practice early morning. That's also why I love Thanksgiving too.

I'm very thankful for Thanksgiving because of this reason. You always got out early on a Thursday from football practice. Oh, the best. Yeah, the best. You would get in, you would have a quick meeting, one hour meeting, then practice would start at like 9 a.m. at the beginning of the practice. And you go out there, you practice real quick. You practice hard. Everyone's happy. Everyone's happy because they know they're going home right after this practice like the old days when you're in high school. No meetings after.

Yes, that is correct. You get a quick lift in or something, burn as many calories as you possibly could so then you can go home and go to that Whatever Thanksgiving dinner and eat as much as possible and show everyone up and that's what it was all about too There's competitions on how much you could eat kind of like stroke your ego. I mean, it was just what dudes do man It's just I can eat more than you. Yeah. No, I can eat more than you buddy And then it turns into a fight. But that's just a dude. And I remember, you know, when you didn't have like when you didn't have the relationships with like the big top dogs yet and you you'd eat at the facility with all the guys that,

you know, didn't have their families there. There'd be a huge old like population of guys in the freaking sauna. Everyone wanted, like Rob said, wanted to get their calories in so you could eat as much as you could. Guys would be sweating and working out. And then you'd see a group of guys that didn't have their families

and they'd have their Thanksgiving in that cafeteria with each other and bring stuff back to their family or whoever's at their house. That's what it was. Your Thanksgiving, your family was your football team when you were in these kinds of situations, stuff back to their family or whoever's at their house. That's what it was. You're Thanksgiving. Your family was your football team when you were in these kind of situations, whether you were in college or your pro or young pro guy that didn't have their families.

You know, you got to have that family time with guys that you played with. That's kind of something I remember, too, from Thanksgiving. What's one thing that you're thankful for, Jules? Just one thing. One is we're going to we're going to be thankful throughout the whole episode, but what's one thing you're thankful for, Jules, just one thing. One thing. Because we're gonna be thankful throughout the whole episode, but what's one thing you're thankful for right now? I'm thankful that right now in my life, a lot of, most of my family's healthy.

All of my family's healthy. That, like my daughter, my parents, my brother, my sister, their kids. You can't ask for anything better than that. That's, I'm so lucky. That's the biggest blessing right there, that's for sure. What about you, Rob, what are you thankful for? I'm saying, I'm just can't. That's so lucky. That's the biggest blessing right there. That's for sure. What about you Rob, what do you think?

I'm say, I'm just, we kind of already on the subject. We're already talking about it. The turkeys, how they roast and everything. I'm thankful for the food out there, man. And how lucky we are to be able to eat the nutritious and delicious food that we do eat on a daily basis. I mean, we get organic food, we get food that's medicine for our bodies that,

you know, builds up our motor. We get food that delivers us our energy that we need to get, you know, to get throughout the day. You got we get the protein that we need to get at all times so we can build up our muscles after a strenuous workout. So just food, man, because without food, man, life is tough, man. You get hangry, you know, fragile. I mean, food builds you up with strength and courage. So I'm thankful for food, my man. Yeah, that's a great that's a great one to be thankful for. There's a lot of people that don't have food in this world.

Exactly. You know, and we're blessed. We're, you know, like you say, we get to have the organic shit and all the good stuff. And who that feeds our soul. There's a lot of people that don't even have food in this world. Remember, you gotta be thankful for everything, everything you got. All right, Jules, let's get on to our first Thanksgiving guy

who has plenty of Thanksgiving ties through the NFL. Let's get on to Emmett Smith. Emmett Smith, running back. Dallas Cowboys from Pensacola, Florida. Let's see what the synopsis of Emmett Smith says from the great AI ladies and gentlemen. We need 10 minutes. Emmett Smith standing at five foot, nine inches

and weighing 221 pounds. That's a big boy for five. 221, geez. Oh, Molly, what are you? You're 5'10", what ninety eight was my playing weight. Man, I was big. That was thick. Yeah, he was even thicker to see thick. He played running back in the NFL primarily for the Dallas Cowboys

and later for the Arizona Cardinals, dropped the 17th overall by the Cowboys in 1990 from the University of Florida. Smith quickly established himself as a durable, high caliber player known for his resilience and agility on the field. He retired as NFL's all-time leading rusher with 18,355 Russian yards, 164 touchdowns, and earning three Super Bowl rings, all with the Dallas Cowboys, an MVP award, and an induction into the pro football hall of fame. Was he first ballot? First ballot for sure.

Was he? Was he first ballot for sure? He was for a hundred percent, a hundred percent. He should have been. And here's a quick fun fact. How Emmett's pregame ritual included eating two packs of peanuts, M&Ms, making him one of the most efficient candy fueled athletes ever, man. Now that's might be the most impressive thing about his career.

And I wonder if he ate those peanut M&Ms on Thanksgiving day after Thanksgiving dinner, or if he indulged into some like pumpkin pie instead, or some apple pie with some ice cream and whipped cream with a cherry on top, or did he love those peanut M&Ms that much that he wanted sacrifice even on Thanksgiving? What do you think? I think it was probably, it became a superstition thing early on. I mean, running backs in their candy, you got Marshawn with Skittles, you got Emmet Smith with peanut M&Ms. I mean, it is what it is. These guys are sometimes like most of the time the running backs specimen that

just needs fuel and they can eat anything they want because they run in and Getting blown up all day and they're touching the ball a lot What's the first thing that comes to your mind when you think of Emmett Smith? One of the greatest running backs of all time. Yeah exemplified what being a star really men Especially being on the Dallas Cowboys like he was that star symbol. Yeah. You know, when he was playing with Dallas. Yes, that is true. Jerry Jones did say that, but he really did exemplify it that much.

He exemplified what being a running back truly meant. They truly ran the ball and ran it with conviction, with resilience. And also, he's like one of the first guys to truly start that era of everyone wanting to be a running back growing up. Here's the thing. No one really wants to be running back anymore. It's 2020s, and it's all about being a wide receiver quarterback, tight end. Tight end.

Back in the day when it was Emmett Smith, everyone wanted to be a running back. Everyone. 100%. Even myself. And I knew I wasn't a running back. I mean, Emmett Smith is huge. When I think of Emmett Smith, I just think, I think of the Cowboys, and I didn't like them.

I didn't like them because they were so damn good. I was a 49ers fan. 49ers fan, okay. And this was priming, like, when I was watching football in the 90s, and they were just so good. Him, the triplets, him, him Aikman and Michael Irvin and it just seemed like that off he would lull you to sleep behind that

offensive line he to get lost behind the line and I just hated him because he'd always beat us in candlestick it didn't matter Cowboys were always beating us except for 95 peanut F&M's did you have any superstitions before games or what? What was your pregame food? I had a pregame ritual. I think I remember you just eating hella pasta. I did eat hella pasta, but there was also the peanut butter and jelly

made with my mom's jelly. That was always a routine. I had to do every single Sunday to get me prepared and get me, you know, mentally right that I was on the right track and kept the tradition going of always having a PB&J with my mom's homemade jelly. And then on top of it, a chocolate milk, man. I love chocolate milk to this day. And I just felt like, you know, getting that protein in my system and the carbs. What better way to make the tradition sustainable with my mom's homemade jelly? I'm telling you the best jelly in the game. Did you hear that going around on crustables in the NFL? There's like 7 jelly. I'm telling you, the best jelly in the game. Did you hear that going around?

Uncrustables in the NFL, there's like 7000. I heard PMT and the boys talking about it. It's crazy because peanut butter and jelly has always been like the athlete snack. Like you need a little quick calorie burn down. You need some calories, a couple of protein, some sugar, some bread, a little fuel right before you get a PB&J. Throw a little honey on there for a little little nice little extra sugar That's what I would do as a kid what jumps out when you watch Emmett Smith's tape

I mean he was a solid receiving back as well as being a great runner I mean he has a strong upper body you seen defense alignment bounce off of them Yeah, like he can go into a hole and it looks like he's surrounded by five players and all of a sudden He just has that killer stutter step with the backstep propeller and then he's out of that freaking like pile of dudes and he's running up to the outside now and then he's kind of like a rabbit out there like all these dogs are chasing this rabbit and no none of these dogs can get the rabbit the rabbit's just playing games like silly rabbit he's just you know eating the carrot while he's running around

everybody. But that's what made him so special to me. Like no one can get to him in that. That upper body strength, along with his ability and his footwork, just his versatility is what truly made him that special and so hard to take down. What do you say? Who do you who do you hate going against? What kind of defensive ends? Well, shorter, shorter stock. What is Emmett Smith? He's a bowling ball. He's just got built in pad level, man. That is what it is.

You would watch him get behind the offensive line. It seemed like their offensive line was fucking gigantic. And like he would sit there and be patient. And then he'd have the quickness to jump cut and then hit the fucking hole. Make someone miss in the second level He always had long runs and that's what like I always think of Emmett Smith Just little little patient runner patient runner play behind his pads low See the hole hit it and go and like man did he owe he did it better than a lot of people

He was the best running back when he retired. He had all the numbers. I remember that what did you think of it? When he went to Arizona? You know, I don't really remember too much when he went to Arizona because he exemplified being a cowboy, you know, so much. He has insane records, that's for sure. He has the most career rushing yards with over 18,000 yards rushing. He has the most career rushing touchdowns at 164. That's a lot. Is that beat now?

He did at that time. Is that beat 164 career rushing touchdowns at one hundred sixty four. That's a lot. Beat now. He did at that time. Is that beat? I don't think it was. There's players that have more than one hundred sixty four career touchdowns, but not not Russian touchdowns. And he has the most the most career rushing attempts as well with over forty four hundred two, man. That's what's almost even more impressive because what's the what's the number right now that everyone talks about?

Running back has about 400 carries and then they get hurt. That's 10, 400 carries. Thirty six fumbles on touching the ball. Forty four hundred times. That's insane. You know, he he didn't have like the wow speed. He didn't have the wow like stiff arm, but he was always just always productive.

He had the wow lateral cuts. Yeah. Yeah. But when you think of lateral cuts in this generation, who do you think of? One of the guys that we'll be talking about a little later. But oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, man, when he, you know, popped out his shoulder and he just kept going while he went in the locker room for like, what, a minute or so went to the sidelines wherever he went. He just came back out and played rest of the game and had like what? 15 plus carries against the Giants. Do you ever remember playing someone banged up and having a ball out like that?

Like I was banged up. Yeah, you were banged up. I mean, I never had it to the level of Emmett Smith, where he could barely even move his shoulder. And every time he fell, he was practically screaming on the ground. But he just kept going, going and telling himself that he's not in pain. That's a football player right there. You think he got shot up? I don't think so. I think he definitely got light again right up in that shoulder. He put that needle right direct inject right.

I don't know. But if you watch the game, you could tell, man, he's in pain. Yeah, you're still going to feel a little something. I've done it. I know. I've shot up that shoulder a thousand times. But you can still feel it, but it just takes the edge off. No, it's kind of numb, but then like you'll feel crackly and stuff. You're like, what the fuck? I mean, I can recall, you know, the AFC championship game. It was not like an Emmett Smith story, but I went up to see him.

It was versus the Baltimore Ravens. It was my second year in the league. I was having that wonderful year and I caught the ball on Bernard Pollard. It was kind of a hip drop tackle. Yeah. And I swear, like 90% of the time on hip drop tackles, the player does get injured that's getting tackled. I mean, you're just not properly made to fall down that way with someone

falling on top of you. If you're falling backwards and someone's on top of you, no problem. But your body is not made for someone to fall on top of you when you're landing on your stomach or on your chest. And that's what happened. Got tackled. He landed on my ankle, twisted. And I had a, you know, super high ankle sprain, went in the locker room, got it taped up.

And literally I had the same mindset. Hey, I'm not in pain. This is the AFC championship game. I may never be back. If we win this game, we're going to the frickin' Super Bowl. That's what, you know, you're just dreamed of as a kid. So I had to go back and I'm telling you this shit hurt. Yeah, it hurt.

It's hard. I took, it wasn't Lido Kane. It was the Toro at all shot, you know, right there on the spot. I don't think it really did much because, you know, high ankle sprain you're in a lot of pain. I mean I went out there I was limping a little bit no more catches Yeah, what some serious blocks to get us to the Super Bowl that oh, yeah What was the craziest injury you ever played through in a game that crazy snowstorm game verse, Tennessee verse ten?

You guys won 59 nothing. Yeah, I'll still at the University of Arizona. I was in the fourth quarter. I got to play a bunch being a slapstick slapstick back then. I caught a ball in Vandebush fell on me and I broke my arm. I snapped my forearm and I look over to Ivan Fears the sideline. I go, coach, I think I'm hurt. He goes, stay in. Stay in. We ain't got no one. Everyone's out. Football coach. I think I'm hurt he goes stay in

We ain't got no what else a football coach Yeah, I'm like all right all right and then freaking Hoyer threw me the ball like the next drive I caught a ball with a broken arm. It was fucking crazy, and I come off and I'm like chatty Oh, I think I broke my arm dude like he's like oh well. I think everyone's kind of out right now I'm like yeah, all right whatever. Let's do it And so play with the broken off That sucks, bro, I mean it's bad I mean, it's badass to play through an injury, but it does suck man. It's suck It hurts like a mother after it's part of the game the guys the greatest players Like Emmett Smith for this situation when they're banged up

They find a way to be productive and they adjust their game to the deficiencies with their injury and they still go out and ball. That's what makes a great player. And Emmett Smith was a fucking guy that did that with the shoulder game. What about him? Most all time rushing yards on Thanksgiving Day as well with over 1100 yards. I mean, Turkey Day. He owned most rushing TDs on Thanksgiving. 13 Jesus. His best Thanksgiving was about 29 carries, 155 yards and three touchdowns in 1996. He's a three time Super Bowl champion with the Dallas Cowboys and he helps secure

back to back Super Bowls. And they were both blowout wins versus my hometown, the Buffalo Bill. People still talk about those losses, how the bills went to Super Bowl. I think four years in a row was a three or four years or I was only one years old, two years old, three years old, four years old. But it still hurts the city of Buffalo. Emmett Smith put that big of a pounding on them. And a huge shout out to Jimmy Johnson, Michael Irvin on the team. I mean, what a solid team they had, man.

And Troy Aikman was either quarterback. Troy Triplets. That's the team right there. The triplets. Now, what do you think of the Lions and the Cowboys always playing on Thanksgiving? I mean, I love how those teams are the tradition. I mean, obviously, the Cowboys are America's team. They draw the most represents the Thanksgiving. You need the Dallas Cowboys on TV, the Cowboys, their America's team, they draw the most, represents the Thanksgiving. You need the Dallas Cowboys on TV, the Detroit Lions.

They became so bad at one point that it really is like their Super Bowl. Yeah, yeah, it was their Super Bowl because that was like their only prime time game for a long time. At one time they were like 0-1-15, 0-1-16 in the league. They're winning two, three games at a time. It rarely wasn't important that Detroit was playing on Thanksgiving. It might have been important for the city, but it was important to all of America that the Dallas Cowboys were playing on Thanksgiving.

But now it's just as important when the Detroit Lions are. Everyone loves Detroit right now. They're kind of becoming like America's up and coming team. America's up and coming of of the middle upper and coming team. Of the middle, upper. Midwest, they call it the Midwest. They call it the Midwest. You know, upper America, middle. Yeah, I've always.

That are bordering the Canada. I've actually always been. The Canada's team, actually. Well, technically, Detroit is the only city where Canada is south of it. Emmet Smith always, he was also known for his game day fits. Yes. Like he had pullovers right? Yeah. No, that's that's what he's endorsed by now. Pullover diapers. Depends right? Yeah. Because he's always dependable in Dallas. He's always dependable in Dallas. Now he's representing depends

adult diapers because you can depend on Emmett Smith that take a dump On the other opposing team defense. Yes on the defense. It's pretty crazy. He did that whole polka dot like Overall outfit back in the day when guys would always wear suit and tie like to think about it now Like that's how everyone dresses now. Everyone dresses like it's a fucking runway before the game to get your shot Everyone dresses like it's a fucking runway before the game to get your shot, show that you're cool, your style, this, your that, and Emmett Smith was like a pioneer in that. Look at that fucking outfit. That's kind of fire. Would you wear that, Rob?

If it was Halloween. What was your game day? What was your game day outfit? My game day outfit, man, you know me. I was a shortened t-shirt guy every single week. That was all. Free t-shirt, free shorts, free sandals. I was showing up every game like that.

Guy wore Jordan sandals nine years that I've known him. The same pair in the locker room. That's what he'd roll up in, just like this. He'd look exactly how he's dressed right now, just like this, cause this is all free stuff. And he'd roll up in a game day. Thank you, Ahmed, for the free shirt. He'd roll up in the game day, you'd see him.

You'd see him in the cafeteria, he'd grab some food, he'd grab a couple PB&Js. And I'm good. And then he's good. Just thankful for just the basics, Jules. I don't think I've, I think I've come across Emmett at a, like a banquet or a function or a charity event or some event.

Emmett Smith just looks like happy and cool and rich. Anytime I see him. He's got a great smile. He has an age. He looks exactly the same as he did in high school. I don't think he's got the hair anymore, but salt and pepper, beard. I mean, my guy could cut a rug too.

Emmett Smith actually won Dancing with the Stars. Does Dola win Dancing with Stars like Emmett Smith? Right now, this is after Dancing with the Stars. Does Dola win Dancing with Stars like Emma Smith? Right now, this is after Dancing with the Stars. Did Danny win? Wait, this is after. We don't know if Danny won. But right now we can imaginary think that like, if he wins and you say he won right now,

then we'll look like geniuses. But if we say he won and he didn't win, then we'll look like morons. I think Danny is gonna win Dancing with the Stars. You think Danny? No, he won Danny. Danny won Dancing with the Stars. Fucking let's go Dola. Shout out. Woo Time what kind of dude is Emmett Smith? I would say on three one two three dog I mean he was relentless man. He I mean like, dogs get hurt and they don't care one bit. They just keep on going.

Amon Smith just kept going. He's a crazy stud because you think about it when you think of that generation, like when I think a dog, I think of someone who like he won every year. He didn't have to have to be a dog like like he was the pedigree. Everyone knew he was the guy. One of the faces of the Dallas Cowboys, which was America's team. He had the pedigree.

He went on Dancing with the Stars. He won Dancing with the Stars. You tell me dogs go out there and went to Dancing with the Stars. No, dogs don't go out and win Dancing with the Stars. Studs do dogs go out there and Dancing with the Stars. And lose the first round because they're just so happy to be there and they're just working around

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All right. Next who we got Jules. We've already talked about them a little bit. I know the greatest running backs of all time played for the other team that played on Thanksgiving, not America's team. I can be America's team. Now it could be, could be America's team now. Yes.

Up near Canada could be Canada's team. It could be America's team now. It could be. Could be America's team now. Yes. Up near Canada could be Canada's team. It could be America's upper states team. Yeah. Midwest those type of states. So let's get on Barry Sanders. Let's go. Let's go. Let's see.

Let's see what AI has to say about him. Barry Sanders at five foot eight and weighing 200 pounds played as a running back for the Detroit Lions. Howling from Wichita, Kansas, Sanders burst onto the scene at Oklahoma State University, where he set multiple records and won the Heisman Trophy in 1988. Drafted third overall in 1989, he became known for his electrifying agility, elusive footwork and explosive speed, making him one of the most thrilling players in the league's history.

explosive speed, making him one of the most thrilling players in the league's history. He surprised many by retiring at the age of 31 in 1999. Is it that big of a surprise? I mean, I retired when I was 29 years old. Like he was in his 30s, but he must have been that good still. It surprised everybody. I mean, to put in perspective, he won offensive player the year 97. He retired two years later. Over his career, he amassed 15,269 rushing yards and 99 touchdowns, earning 10 Pro Bowl selections, the 1997 MVP award and a place in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Jesus.

Woo. What is the first thing that you think of when you're here to name Barry Sanders, Jules? My childhood. If you made a crazy like cutback play or you made someone juke that you juke someone out of their jock or something, it was just like you were doing a Barry play. Like that's Barry Sanders made Detroit relevant and like only went to the playoffs like twice or three times in his career.

Instantly think of the plays where like he has four guys draping on him. Then he jukes like two guys. And then a guy thinks he's down and thinks the plays over and he has four guys draping on him. Then he jukes like two guys. And then a guy thinks he's down and thinks the plays over and he's still running on the other side. Barry Sanders was so electric. I think Barry Sanders would like he would be even crazier in this generation. That's how good he was. What do you think of when you think about Barry Sanders?

I think about Ford, Ford vehicles. I really do, man. And he was all the vehicles combined in one. I mean, that's actually not bad. Yeah, he was he was he wasn't the size of an expedition, but he played like he was an expedition. He was like an explorer that had like a V8 engine from one of the cars that they, you know, from the Ford Mustang.

Yeah. And he had like monster truck tires, like the big wheels, like from a Ford Raptor F-150. So this guy basically could do it all out of the backfield. I mean, he could, you know, catch a ball. Obviously he could run. He was so elusive. He made guys fall face first. You know, it's so imagine that being a defender. You're a professional defender as a linebacker or a safety. And you go to tackle somebody and you totally miss and fall directly on your face. That's what Barry Sanders did to these folks. You know, I just want to I want you to describe Barry Sanders as like a Ford model, make color interior exterior engine like Barry Sanders.

What color car is he? Barry Sanders would be the grayish color. Why gray? Take a bullet like a silver bullet. Yeah, yeah. I like that. Yeah. Silver bullet. But like loved by everyone, you know, gray is loved by everyone. It really is. You can't hate on gray. What about what's the interior?

The interior would have to be something flashy. Why flashy? Because he was flashy on the field. So like a red leather. No, it would be it wouldn't be red. It'd be it would be blue. A blue lion's color. Blue leather. Gray and blue.

Do we got a sunroof? Mm no sunroof. It's a coupe. We're dirty. We get down to business. We don't need a sunroof. V8 is it like a V8 engine? And then we got Ford Raptor tires, but we also have they're also on like 22 inch rims so we can be, you know, run over a folk

folk when we need to and we can just but still get out when we needed to. Any race stripes? Just just one, just one solid one that goes across. What color is that race stripe as black? What's the license plate number? 2020 because he has 20 twenty vision as well. I want the football. This joker did have great fucking vision. He probably had the most elite vision in the history of the game.

I want to see this car. We're going to have to make this car up. Lion Prince, Lion Prince, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State mascot. What is that? The guns? Yeah. Cowboys. Cowboy guns. Car's badass. And I'm not even a car guy. And I just I just built my my first car ever.

He's spec. Yeah. Three hundred twenty thousand dollars right there. Could that car win the Daytona 100 percent? It's just winning the Daytona five hundred a year in and year out. Every time, every single time.

He didn't win a Super Bowl. What if he's just the fastest car on the on the block? But someone always then you got me here. Then the car comes and they win the Super Bowl. He never won a Super Bowl. What if he's just the fastest car on the on the block? But someone always then you got me here. Then the car comes and they win the Super Bowl. He never won a Super Bowl. So, oh, man, you're right. He's not winning the Daytona 500.

He's getting second third place every single time. Or he's probably crashing like he's winning the race by like three laps. He just had a bad. He had a it wasn't him that lost the race. He had a bad, you know, when you go in for the pit stop, had a bad crew around him every wasn't him that lost the race He had a bad, you know when you go in for the pit stop Yeah, I had a bad crew around him every time it took like how long does it take in a pit stop usually? We're in NASCAR. I mean we're talking standard probably 38 seconds. Yeah. Okay Well, it took his team like a minute 20 every single time minute

He just had a bad, you know that pit crew bad pit crew bad team around him his measurables You know that pit crew bad pit crew bad team around him his measurables This guy ran four three or 44 inch vert So, you know, barry sanders is dunking at five eight and 27 reps at the bench The one of the funniest quotes that I always think of when I think of barry sanders I watched the documentary with his dad. They asked him Mr sanders, who do you think the best running backs of all time? He goes Yeah, j Brown, myself and then my son. He would never give his son this number two spot behind Jim Brown.

That's crazy. I love his dad was so tough on him. I love it. So I knew about that, actually. You told me that before we were going to talk about Barry Sanders. So what did I do? I went and called your dad. What he said, Frank Adelman, Frank Nuts, the Nutt House Papa, Frank himself. He ranked his, you know, top three slot receivers. Number one. This is why I love Frank. And this is when you know he truly loves you, Jules, because you're number one.

And I don't argue with that. I don't argue with that. You know, Frank's on top of his game. Number two, Wes West Walker and number three Dola I don't know where he got Dola from at number three, but you gotta admit he's loyal He's loyal to his son. He's loyal to his son's friends Mm-hmm. Oh, oh, he also ranked his top his top three tight ends. Yeah, he ranked his top tight ends Yeah, you know he goes three. Mark Bavaro.

Monster. I would say Mark Bavaro from just stories I've heard from players that played against him, that he was the strongest tight end ever in history. I've heard that too. Yes. Like he would take defensive as a linebackers and just lock him up right in the spot and not let him move. He was just that strong. His grip was through the roof, they said. And I'm talking like players that played against him were freaks of nature. And they said Mike Bavaro would dominate every single time.

So what if you guys grabbed each other? Who? Mike Bavaro would win. I don't know. Beast mode. He's stronger than me. OK. I don't think so. And then number two on my dad's list was Kelsey. And then one, of course, was Gronk. And I love you, Frank Nuts. You then number two on my dad's list was Kelsey. And then one of course was Gronk. I love you, Frank Nutz. You got a wonderful dad.

Great dad. I like Edel nut house papa though. Edel nut house papa. I like it. All right, what was Barry Sanders best turkey days? He had 10 games on turkey day, seven and three record. Winning record. Barry Sanders loved Thanksgiving.

Second all-time in rushing yards on Thanksgiving. Behind who? Behind Emmett Smith. Behind Emmett Smith. His 210 carries on Thanksgiving Day for 931 yards. He just couldn't break that thousand yard mark on Thanksgiving. That's tough. He should have came back just for that record.

Just for that. Just to say he had over a thousand yards on Thanksgiving. We're talking about moments in his career, but him retiring at such a young age, and he was like, I think he was a season away from being the all-time leader at his retiring date. He was like, if he would have played that last season, he would have beat the record, and he just walked away.

He didn't really care about the records. He just wanted to win. I think he got beat down from losing. You know, he doesn't say that in any of his documentaries or all the, you know, you watch his interviews. But I mean, if you go out for a long time and you're dominating and you're losing every year, that's gotta take a toll.

It shows the kind of player he was. You know, he loved football as a game, not for an individual's statistics. I mean, there's always stories of Jerry Jones two, three years later going to him and say, hey man, you sure you don't wanna come play for the Cowboys or something? I've heard that a couple of times too.

As a player, you wanna always tough it out. You never wanna show that you're weak. The second you show that you're weak, you're kind of beat in the NFL. You gotta always have that standard set, that bar set that nothing's going to take you down. And the second that you let that go and you let things take you down, you're not going to be able to perform.

You're going to get outworked. You're going to get ran over. The other guy is going to beat the crap out of you. So that mindset always has to be there. And if you get beat down, even though you look like the best player on the field, it's going to come back and haunt you in the end. I've been through that situation before. I bet you've been through it at the end of your career as well, where you just

kept taking beatings injuries. You're trying to play through a knee, a forearm, whatever it is. And then finally you're like, man, I can't take this no more. And I feel like that's kind of what happened to Barry Sanders. I mean, yeah, he was the greatest of all time. One of them, he looked unbelievable out there on the field, but he was always losing, always taking a beating. You still know what these NFL guys are going through at all times. You really don't. He still hasn't let anyone know why he retired. Like he kind of has. I mean,

he was 1400 yards away from the all time rushing record that Emmett Smith went to then beat three or four years later, a couple of years later. He did talk about it a little bit when he retired that the passion wasn't there for him anymore. If you don't have that passion, which can attribute to just always getting beat down, not winning. There's no reason to be out there on the football field. It's not good for the fans.

It's not good for yourself. It's not good for the organization. He's just kind of basically said there was nothing left to really play for. And he didn't really see the Detroit Lions being a Superbowl contender either. And if they were, the Lions were truly going to be a Superbowl contender. I feel like that would have gave him the passion, the influence that he needed to go back out there and because that's all he truly doesn't have is a Superbowl ring. Yeah.

Do you remember when the passion left for you? I do. I mean, I was beat down. It was my last year. I mean, we won the Super Bowl when I was on the New England Patriots, when we beat the Rams and I went into the playoffs knowing that I was going to retire. Dude, I mean, this year, the pounding on my body, all the injuries were flaring up. I was running slow, especially the passion definitely decreases for the game of football when you start losing your skill set.

Yeah, because it's not as fun anymore when you can't just run by someone or just throw someone around. It's not fun when you're the one getting thrown around and the guys on you like white on rice when you're trying to run a route. So it was like that year, but I was just putting the team first and I knew, you know, I could come through in the times that I needed to come through for the team. And we ended up winning the Superbowl, so it couldn't have worked out any better. But winning that Superbowl, it was just kind of a relief that the game was over. But I got that passion back when I took a year off and then it kind of started

fading away again. You know, my second year in Tampa, you know, that's when I knew that it was probably, you know, time to hang it up again. Yeah, it's that's that's kind of how mine went down as well. When I was in practice and guys that I should be dominating were coming close to covering me, I was like, yeah, it's I have to work way too hard. And it hurts way too much. Yeah. You're not, you're not doing it. We weren't winning at that time.

It's so I could I you know, it's hard to be in pain while you're losing and have to go perform. That's why I'm thankful for all the good times when we're in our mid 20s, Jules. Yeah, like when everything was just always feeling like clicking, like just always feeling good. Yeah, you're just activated from head to toe.

Just your running form was just always on point. It was like it was easy. You're just felt like you're going through the motions, even though you're going full speed and running by people, man. Those were the days thankful for those days as a player. This young, dumb and full of yes. Yes. The best, the best days for you wake up and you can sprint thirty hundreds and without even warming up without even warming up

Mm-hmm go pop someone in their one-on-ones take it to team come lay the wood on force down in the box Move on safety about Barry Sanders in college to man. He was one of the best college football players to ever highs He was fucking unreal. He won the Heisman most Russian yards in a season over 2,600 yards I mean and his dad hated Oklahoma State because he was an Oklahoma suitors fan. I'm so infatuated with that story That's that's why he'll never put his son in front of him. Yeah running back in the NFL I bet it's crazy, but I think that's what drove Barry, you know, he wanted his dad satisfaction It may be his dad knew that.

Dads always know us the best. The greatest fine fuel in the the tiddiest things, man, like the tiddiest things. What's that word I'm looking for? Tidious. The tiddiest. Tidious. The tedious. But I like tiddiest things. You know, I just like what I said.

That's why that was on my mind. I like not going to say the word, you know, the first part of it only because tedious. We're we're appropriate show. But Tits, I tedious is always on my mind for some reason. Tidious is what the word I was really going for. It's tedious. So the greatest do find, you know, that motivation. For example, say if you just said something that I didn't like in the locker room that day,

and I would just go out in the field and I would be like, F this guy Jules. I'm going to make sure I'm open every single frickin play so he doesn't get a pass. So I can go back in the locker room and be like, great day today. You had Jules, you had zero catches. I had 10. Just because you said something that was effed up to me in the morning, that that's what I'm talking about. Just finding those tedious moments makes people great. Just finding that motivation for absolutely no reason

that shouldn't even be motivation, just so you can go out there and just drive yourself to another level. It's like coach saying something to you three days ago in a meeting that you don't like, and you're gonna go out there and prove to yourself to another level. It's like coach saying something to you three days ago in a meeting that you don't like, and you're going to go out there and prove to them that he was wrong. Barry, Barry Sanders was tedious. Yes, he was.

Hopefully we think he was. I never met Barry before. I never talked to him about this, but we're, we're, we're going, I mean, he's the greatest of all time. He had to find motivation somehow every single time. One of the great showdowns on Monday Night Football that I still remember was the Barry versus Emmett game. We haven't done it on games of names,

need to do it on games of names, but it was week four of the 94th season. Monday Night Football, Cowboys hosted the Lions, and Detroit went up into Cowboyland, Jerry World, old Jerry World at that time, and won 2017 in overtime. Emmett, what a fucking duel. Listen to his stat lines between the two best running backs in the league

in the primes of their career. Emmett Smith, 29 carries, 143 yards in a tug. Barry had to out-duel him with 40 carries, 194 yards, and one touchdown. Epic battle between these freaking running backs. That was like a playoff game intensity. The closest you get to playoff intensity. And it was because it was Emmett Smith versus fucking Barry Sanders.

It was such a crazy match. You remember that game? Mm hmm. They were really young, though. I know. I remember that game a little bit because I was a little bit older than me. This was in 94. This was my first year of football. Yeah, I don't remember. This is my house. Five years old. I was eight years old. Like what made the Detroit Lions like not good during that era?

Because they had Barry Sanders. What made them not good? Bad offensive line. Bad. Like I like. Not a good defense at all. Did they have more? What was it? What were more? What was the reason why they weren't good, Jules? You need a quarterback.

No quarterback? No quarterback. And they went through a lot of coaches, I think. And they got through a lot of coaches. I don't know. He deserved better. He deserved, I mean, he deserved better. He's one of the one guys that deserved better.

I mean, he was- We're thankful for Barry. 100%. Everyone's thankful for Barry. Fuckin' Thanksgiving episode. I'm thankful for Barry. But he truly deserved better. So who's on the Mount Rushmore running back? For four running backs top four of all time. Oh

Man, I mean you gotta put those two in that category Jim Brown's gotta be in there Jim Brown Then I'm gonna go with Adrian Peterson as my fourth. What about Walter Payton? I know but he's a little before your time He is before my time. Yes, I don't I don't really know too much about Walter Payne I'm Sean Lynch. He's my Sean Lynch. I mean, but is he great all the time? No, he's not he's not He's not on Mount Rushmore now Mount Rushmore. He's one of the greatest known running backs of all time I always remember his personalities of all time, too Do you remember Bill always talking about Jim Brown and how like dominant he was if we'd be talking He'd hear us talking in locker room about something. He goes. Well, you guys didn't see Jim Brown

Fucking dominant. Yeah, like he was just a man child all old timers love Jim Brown. Like that's their guy We didn't get to watch him in the flesh So like you don't get to appreciate him, but you got to put him on there I think Barry's on there. Tomlinson, LT, LT. I mean, it's hard to do a Mount Rushmore running back. Marshall Falk. Oh, man. I show Falk was so good.

I'm going to go this my Mount Rushmore. I'm going to go Jim Brown. Barry Sanders, Walter Payton. Marshall Falk, Marshall Falk being the fourth because he's like that the tweener, the new generation running back where this guy could catch a hundred fucking balls and rush for a thousand yards in the same season, which I think he did. There was Bo Jackson, Thurman. He didn't have enough. Thurman Thomas was a monster. Earl Campbell, Eric Dickerson, Slate would be mad at us.

Yeah, he's dead. Blocked room. Galsayers. You know, he didn't even have a long career, though. There's so many man. It's tough to do a Mount Rushmore. Oh, yeah. Barry was behind Thurman Thomas at Oklahoma State. Oklahoma State had some running backs. How about that running back room in college? Thurman Thomas, fucking Barry Sanders.

They went to Natty that year? How you not win the national championship with those two guys? The saddest stat of Barry's career though, is that he only played in six playoff games. It is sad. That's crazy. Everyone loves Barry Sanders. Everyone wanted to see his career just keep on going.

10 minutes. What kind of dude is Barry Sanders? Hmm. Freak. No one is ever like you. When you watch him move, no one's ever moved like Barry Sanders. This so elusive and it's like a slinky out there. He's like a little slinky down the stairs. Just boom, boom.

And the slinky is just turning and flipping which way and direction. Always on. Always on. And then always lands right back on, you know, in position right on its feet at the bottom of the stairs. That's Barry Sanders for you. I mean, that's some freaky ability right there. I bet you he was a crazy positive dude, dude, dude. I'm sure he was in the locker room. I bet you was super cool.

He's probably like sweet feet, super quiet. James White, quiet, just professional. But he's also a fucking dog where he didn't have I mean He didn't have an offensive line for like half his career and he still had the numbers he had on three You you state yours one two three dog He's a freak man. Gotta go freak You gotta go freak his physical ability of just being able to bend the way he bends and just a vision that he has

One-on-one instinct he was not not getting tackled. People were falling headfirst into the ground like I said earlier. You just never seen it. He was making people look silly. Like they didn't belong out there. It was like Pop Warner when the guy is just that much better than everyone else and just running around the field and they could be all 11 guys in the field in front of him and he can make all 11 miss. That's freaky instincts right there. Yeah, but when you see Barry Sanders in clothes, or do you look at him like, man, that guy's a freak?

No, you don't. But we're categorizing freak in that way only then, is if how you see someone. He is a one of one. Exactly, one of ones are freaks. He was just a freak at a lower level of physical stature. He reminds me of the little race cars on the electric tracks where he could just start, stop,

start, stop, start, stop, hella fast. Guys, Stamp it, he's a freak. He's a freak, let's go. Let's get on Vince Will Fork. Big dog, Vince Will Fork. Big V, Oh my God. I wonder why was something Thanksgiving, the block Thanksgiving is his favorite holiday. I bet start the clock. What's AI. I gotta say.

Vince well for standing at six foot two and weighing around 325 pounds played as a dominant nose tackle in the NFL. 325 primarily. I think he was like 350 at one point, 360. Primarily played for the New England Patriots and later for the Houston Texans. Growing up in Boytown Beach, Florida. I think so Boytown. Boytown Beach, Florida. Welfork was a track and field standout before switching to football at the University of Miami. Selected 21st overall in the 2004 draft, he was known for his strength, size, and ability to stuff the run, often drawing double teams and anchoring defenses with his power and skill. Over his career, Wolf Fork recorded 560 tackles, 16 sacks, and 3 interceptions, earning two Super Bowl championships, five Pro Bowl selections, and a reputation as one of the best defense tackles of his era. Known for his charisma and a love for barbecue. He has remained a beloved figure off the field where his big personality

and big hits made him a fan favorite. That's a lot by AI. The long synopsis. That's the longest one we had so far. But Vince deserves it. Heck yeah. 100% deserves it. He's the biggest guy so far we've been talking about.

He's about 365 pounds. I think they got it. Got it wrong there guy so far. We've been talking about. He's about 365 pounds. I think they got it. Got it wrong there. This guy can eat you up, man. He's lost a lot of weight now. He sure has. He looks really good, man. He really good. It looks good on him. It's just sad that, you know, he's not coming back though. I know, you know, because every good player, you always have that imagination that they're going to come back. He never, he always thought V could, I think V could still play. You just have that imagination that they're going to come back. He never he always thought V could. I think V could still play. You just have that thought about him.

What's the first thing that comes to your mind when you think about Big V? The barbecues, you know, he came out with his own barbecue sauce. I'm pretty sure Mr. Kraft used to have that team get together, team bonding at his house. Yeah. In the Cape after you made the team, it was right at the end of August. What what holiday is that right at the end of August? Labor Day. Yeah, Labor Day.

Yep. And it was Labor Day week and we would all go up there and there'd be ribs or be, you know, steaks. And then here comes Big V coming through and he'd bring his own barbecue sauce every single year. And I wouldn't eat those ribs or the sorenlein or, you know, the burger meat until that barbecue sauce got there. And once Big V showed up, hey, Big V, pass that sauce over, buddy. Oh, yeah, he loved it, too, man.

He loved being known about that sauce and he just loved just the atmosphere around a cookout. I was fortunate enough to get invited to one of his cookouts. He smoked some ribs. Mm. He was in some big ass overalls with no shirt, smoking ribs. He just looks at home when he's on a barbecue. He looks like that's he's at home. The first I remember when I was a rookie.

He's comfortable. That's just comfort zone for him. It is. I remember my rookie year. My welcome to the NFL moment was like I was rolling in like my my Toyota rental and I was rolling in like my My Toyota rental and I park it in the way back of the players lot and all of a sudden there's this fucking huge Semi a fucking semi truck rolls in and parks up right in the front and takes like two damn spots backs in Backs in this big-ass orange semi truck. It's fucking Vince's daily driver.

Vince had like a huge semi truck daily driver. He gets out. I think it looked just like him in front of the barbecue. Just a comfort zone for him. Just a big ass dude getting out of a big ass truck. Big V was just fucking so cool. That was like my first welcome to NFL. I was like, holy shit. I didn't know you could buy semi trucks. Well, speaking of welcome to the NFL, he gave me my first welcome to NFL. I was like, holy shit. I didn't know you could buy semi trucks.

Well, speaking of welcome to the NFL, he gave me my welcome to the NFL dosage of a hit when training camp rookie year. You know, the Wham block. What's the Wham block explained where they let go, the guard let go. Let's just defensive tackle free. So then he thinks he's going to go get a sack. And then a Wham block is when I come across the line of scrimmage at the tight end position when I'm off the ball and I'm the one that goes

and I wham the defensive tackle and try to block like a trap for the tight end. There you go. Exactly. And we're trapping the defensive tackle. So he knows it's coming. I mean, this is a specialty play that the New England Patriots been running. Nine on seven. They know the fucking script well before me. Yeah, it is. It Patriots been running nine on seven. They know the fucking script. Well, well before me. Yeah, it is. It was it was a nine on seven. So, you know, the defense does know the script so they can look really good

in the run game throughout that whole period. And I think they also told them this play was coming, being specifically knowing I'm on a black fence and they wanted to see my toughness as a rookie. So the players call I'm in full pass. You know, I'm like a wham block. I wanted to see my toughness as a rookie. So the players call I'm in full pass. You know, I'm like a Wham block. I got to show my toughness. I got to show my keeps. I got to get the respect of my fellow teammates, especially the veterans.

Well, they pay the picture also robs a rookie here. V was like the big dog on campus. In practice, no one really gets close to him because you don't want to piss him off when you're new. You know, it's like, holy shit. Is that a that is a large human being. He's like so big. I think there's like something that orbits him, like on how round he is.

Like that's you didn't want to get in his way. You didn't want to piss him off because he was very intimidated. Get back to your story. So the play, you know, gets on its way. I do my little two, you know, two side steps, you know, on the motion. I'm running full speed right at Vince Wilford. This guy peeks over to his left. He sees me coming. He has this grin on his face, knowing I was coming. He put his shoulder down. I'm going full speed at him.

down, I'm going full speed at him and he gets that leverage and just tease off on me. I went flying backwards five to six yards. I didn't even land on my back. He sent me flying in the air where I landed on my feet still. Oh my God. Yeah. And that hit hurt like a mother effort. But what's cool is I gained the respect of my teammates and my coach at that time, tight coach in that meeting that day when we went and reviewed the parents Brian Farris love you Brian Farris He's now at Iowa with his dad doing you know doing his thing doing a good job. He goes yo

What were you thinking trying to block Vince Wolf work? He goes you're never gonna do that again. I go. Thank you Thank you. I go. I'll never do it again. And ever since that day, you know, we had about five more of those calls and I just go up to him. I hug him. I didn't need to try to block him. It was just only going to get me hurt from there on out. Yeah.

I just give him a hug like Vince. No, no, it's the way I'm black man. I know you're going to beat me. Like there's, there's no reason to go through this motion of me getting thrown backwards again. Oh my God. I'm'm gonna break a rib. He's so he's so I know you love your ribs and you're going to, you know, you'll probably eat them. Yeah.

Enjoy them after with your barbecue sauce, buddy. Oh, my. That had to be so terrifying. It was well, at that time, it was he's an intimidating guy. When you join the team to terrifying after that, because I was trying to, you know, gainer, my keeps man, because I was trying to, you know, gainer my keeps man. Like I was trying to prove myself. So I didn't care who was in my way. And then I learned I do care who's in my way.

Yeah. When it comes down to the NFL, you got to that's when you learn on when to, you know, take your shots at someone, one not to one to block someone hard, one to kind of like just brother in law box someone out as well, instead of trying to hit them full speed, hit them full speed, heads up. They, you know, they're way bigger than you. This is when you start learning the ins and outs. And that's one ins and now I learned big time. Freaking V. And he was so quick to like that's what people don't realize.

Like they just surprisingly quick because of how big he was. Yeah. And his feet, he had fast feet, man. He was kind of like a running back that pitter patters like, whoa, whoa, big burp right there, Jules. Wow. Is the barbecue I ate from five years ago with big Vance is still coming out. We ate that much. I tasted that barbecue sauce right there. That was good. But his feet were surprisingly clicky. It was like a boom, boom, boom. He was a rabbit out there.

I remember always going in the weight room and you go over by like the kettlebells and like the arm bars and stuff And there'd always be a shock put there remember him you ever see him shock put and I never have oh my god He can fuck a shot. He was a fucking track star. I think he had like the state record I hear the insane strength, too I remember like he wouldn't go in the weight room to just like warm up No, you know do 315 like. He would just go in the weight room just to maintain his strength and he would just walk in.

And I remember him just throwing up like 425 pounds on the bench and just tossing it up, then racking and be like, I'm done for the day. Yeah. Like he didn't even need to work on his strength that much because he was just that strong naturally. And like it was to a whole nother level. Yeah, I remember seeing him in the weight room too. Like Marcus Cannon, when he would work out, the weights would bend.

He was just so strong and he had always great movement. He was very skillful. Fluid. Fluid. When you watch Big V throw a football, he looks like he spins a ball really well. You see him hit a golf ball. He fucking has an unbelievable golf swing.

I mean, the guy is so athletic. He used to return punts in high school. Like I remember, you know, Bill always, every training camp when it's getting to like day nine, 10, guys are worn down, beat up, mentally, physically, emotionally exhausted. He'd always have a big lineman come in and try to catch a punt. And if you caught punch, you'd have the night off.

He threw V up there and it looked too fucking easy. I think he won and snagged that thing. He was he was so athletic. He could have played fullback. I swear he could play running back and get gained some yards. Yeah, we're going down tight and he could definitely play. I heard him talking about this too, as well. He could play defensive end, obviously anywhere on the defensive line.

And he, like you said, quarterback as well. He had an arm. He loved being, you know, before practice was going on, you know, before we get really got into it, he'd be chucking the ball, you know, to, to his fellow defensive players. Yes. Having a good old time. He was just so disruptive as well. And he was kind of like the two gap god when he was, you know,

on that defensive line and that be able to take two gaps. You know how much that frees that linebacker? That's a linebacker's best friend right there. Vince Wolford. 100 percent. I mean, Gerard Mayo, Dante Hightower, Jamie, they all love them. They all do. Guys like they love guys that take double teams, lets you get to that fucking boom.

Kind of, Big V just sit, Big V has so many stats. He had so much production for the amount of stats he had. Cause he had such hidden things that made plays go. It was unblockable. And you take two double teams, they can never get the guy to the second level. Like he just was fucking a monster. And we wanted to talk about him on this show specifically because

because what is he known for on Thanksgiving jewels? He's the one that created the butt but fun ball. Oh, the butt, the force or the generator of the butt fumble versus New York Jets Sanchez, oh my god, and he did that before like he it's where he gets so much Penetration he drives his guy back so far that it hit the quarterback with the guy that he was driving backs that it hit the quarterback with the guy that he was driving backs, but that made him fumble the football and Steve Gregory scoop score in his home area of New Jersey,

which was just a fucking crazy game. That comes to my mind when I think of Vince of some of his crazy story, but also remember when we were in Buffalo and he read out the receiver's screen. What was he rewarded with though after the butt fumble? Well he had the turkey. On the post game.

He had the turkey leg. He had the turkey leg. He ate that. He was rewarded with a turkey leg during the post game for his contribution to the butt fumble. And he ate that thing. He ate it all. Not surprised.

So what was it that you're talking about in Buffalo? Remember in Buffalo where they had that receiver screen and V read it and he was full speed and a receiver was full speed not seeing him and it looked like if a semi hit like one of those little smart cars. Oh my gosh. This was the receiver, like he was up, he was up

and then like your finger just got bent backwards and matter of a split second, that looked like the receiver right there. Boom. It's not even that. It's not even the mass. Imagine if he like fell on you going that fast. Oh, he squished you like a bug. Like a fucking bug.

I bet you he got his- It just fly out of the air and it just explodes everywhere. That's kind of what happened to the Bill's wide receiver. And you always- He flattened him. No, it was, that's a terrifying hit. Like that's like that was a terrifying hit. There's a lot of big hits that you see. You're

like, all right, you can you can withstand that. But when it's straight physics, when you got mass times velocity, you get force, you get fucking force. And that's what big V was. I don't know if that's right for you. people. Get us in there. But then also what about what about his his interceptions? We're talking big plays here. I mean, he had that that pick versus Phillip Rivers at home in Gillette Stadium when he was another screen or he was just I think it was a no, it got tipped or something. Yeah. Did he tip it? Did he tip it? Yeah, he tipped it to himself. He showed great ball skills right there. And then you saw your fast feet. Yes. And then he started just, you know, trucking down the field like a rabbit with his fast feet. He looked nimble and he looked agile and just rumbling down the field.

I don't think anyone in the world that watched that play, anyone in the world didn't want that big man to score. When a big man has had because the ball looked like a fucking like a paper towel in his armpit. Low breath, a low for breath. I mean, it looks like nickel, a pumper nickel. It looks so small and he's like running it and like everyone is just sitting there like, look at the big big. Reminds me of Comley also did that. And they kick off for turn. he's like running it and like everyone is just sitting there like look at the big big go

Reminds me member calmly also did that and they kick off return. Oh, yeah It's Packers. That was cool, too I love boom big man get to make sure or score a touchdown or tug red zone a soldier everyone loves it, man Yeah, soldier had that one in the 10. He was like the lions are doing it a lot Lion you're doing it. We're speaking of thanksgiving, you we're speaking of Thanksgiving, you know, teams, Lions in there, you know, don't don't not expect a trick play to alignment this Thanksgiving from the Detroit Lions. Oh, I mean, more fake pun. You're going to you're going to there's going to be something like that.

We talked about on this show a few weeks back, tight end university day or happy tight end day. What is called National Tight End Day? National Tight End Day. There's gotta be a national big guy touchdown day or a big guy catch day. It just needs to be national big. And like, it's a rule in the NFL book that you have to at least run one tackle eligible play.

One tackle eligible. The guy has to be over two hundred and seventy five pounds. Two hundred eighty five pounds has to touch a football on one specific day. National Big Fat Guy Day. I like that. That's what I think. I like that. Who's going to start it? I think we need Big V. Yeah. Big V. Come on. Let's go. You remember in the butt fumble game?

I remember watching it the next day in meetings. Bill rewinded it like four or five times. Barely said anything. And then like got up and talked and he said, the Jets got exactly what they deserve. Like did something like one of those. You know what I mean? Do you remember that?

I actually was hurt that year, Jules. So I was at home just watching it from my couch, just enjoying my Thanksgiving. And I just remember that play happening. I was at home just watching it from my couch, just enjoying my Thanksgiving. And I just remember that play happening. I was shocked because we were already dominating, dominating, dominating them. It wasn't even a close game at all. And just when that happened, I was giggling to myself like, what a play. I never seen anything like that.

And I was screaming, too, because Gregory just scooped it like it just didn't happen. A butt fumble and directly in those hands. No, directly on the ground and directly in the Gregory's hand. Yeah, but it went to the end zone of the Patriots as well. We got six points out of it. It's like it doesn't happen usually. Usually like a play like that, you know, usually someone just gets on and it's a fumble recovery. It went to the house. We scored on it.

Now, how do you think Sanchez or San Cheeto feels about that? I mean, Sanchez is a good dude. I love Sanchez. He's a goofy dude. So I think he kind of likes it. I think he does like it. Yeah, yeah, he does own it for sure. I heard him referencing. He'll giggle about it for sure.

It's kind of like the Miami Miracle. I own that place. Yeah. It's kind of like the butt fumble with Sanchez. I mean, it's OK. I mean, it happens. It's kind of like the 2004 or 2002 frost off championship between the Bay Division Ocean Division. You know, I gave this interception away and they won it on it. It's kind of like you own it now.

Fucking me. I'll never own it. It's bullshit. It's OK, Jules. One day you own it. I'll never own it. It's bullshit. It's OK, Jules. One day you'll own it. You'll get over it. It's OK, man. We're here for it. Just be thankful for other things and then you'll get over that. You know what I'm also thankful for? What are you thankful for?

That we were a part of probably two of the craziest play calls in the history of football. One, the butt fumble. Yes. What's more embarrassing, the butt fumble? Or do you remember when the Colts had that stupid punt formation that they tried on? What was the down and distance? What was it, fourth and two?

And they were trying to get us on a trick. I think it was more than fourth. It was a weird formation. They had like everyone spread out wide. And then the center was down in distance. And then there was a running back behind the center or something. And then they hiked it. And everyone was in like in shock, like, what the heck is possibly going on?

And that's the only reason I bring this up is because the same shock factor that we had that like did that. But just make that fumble. And then we scored a touchdown. That same shock factor is the same shock factor we had when they did this punt formation thing. Did he really hike the ball? I'm not a math guy, but three on one. I'm looking at the Colts sideline right here after the play.

Are you fucking serious? What is this? Like this is National Football League. And they're only down by six in the third quarter. I don't know. That's the cult for you. That was worse off than the butt fumble. Yeah, cause the butt fumble was made through force and gravity.

Exactly. The butt fumble was made by Vince in that fucking 325 pound frame, 25 pound frame, taking his match up and driving them into the fucking I'm flabbergasted. I didn't realize we were going to get into that play. I think they rose the banner that year. That's why I never lost.

Was that the banner year they rose the bill never lost to the cult. Did we ever lose to the Colts? I did now. 2009. That was 2009 in a four. Wasn't so. Yeah, so it doesn't count. How about the big boy on body issues? I mean, he's not like, it looks like muscle. It is muscle.

That's why I love the ESPN, the body issue, because they featured everyone. Yeah, it's cool to see. And they were just showing how- Are you on it? The statue, yes, how the statue of the body represented all different types of athletes. you know, from a guy that played tackle to a wide receiver to myself right there.

Leung wrong. You want to know the running joke was about me on being on the body issue cover? What was that? The circle was really small that they needed to use. What circle? The cover me up. Yeah, you know what?

Didn't they tell you it was gonna be a small set? Like there's not gonna be a lot of people there? There really wasn't. There was probably like five, five to six. How many people were on your set? I felt like there was 30 in mine. Really? 30 people.

They all wanted to see you, Jules. You're a good looking guy. You got a wonderful body. Now how did the football stay on? It's a good looking guy. You know, I got a wonderful body. Now, how did the how did the the football stay on? It's a good question. I was kind of adjusting it before every shot, and then I kind of adjusted it. So I kind of found that niche.

Did you take a Viagra to keep that thing staked up so you could just post on there? No, no, it was actually one of the worst performance looking days of my life. It was kind of chilly in there. I felt like I felt like a frozen raisin. Yeah. And I was just giggling at myself every time I looked back at the pictures. I know. Cause you're bad. Yeah, it was bad. It was bad.

I was embarrassed just looking at it myself. It was crazy. Cause like you would see like a picture after, you know, you'd go with the photographer and your, your wiener would be out and you'd see the picture. And then all of a sudden they'd be like, Oh, don't worry. We could just cut that. Yeah. But you're sitting there worrying because you're like,

you're going to go tell everyone, you know, and then that person that's reviewing, I requested 93 degrees in theute set. It was 60 Ten minutes what kind of dude is Vince Will Fork? Stud a freak a dog a dude's dude or a whiz. I mean he's a ways he has a lot of intellectual and knowledge is a lot of intellectual and knowledge of the game of football. I mean, he was a smart player.

That's why he knew that big play that he made when we were talking about it versus the Buffalo Bills, and he absolutely dominated the receiver on that screen across the middle because he saw that play coming. He sniffed it out like he was a wizard out there. That's how he made majority of his plays. Same with his interceptions. He knew the screen was coming. He backed off. He knew that when he got dropped, he wasn't going to just go to the quarterback

and get a free sack. He knew, oh, there must be a different type of play coming. Oh, it's going to be a screen or it's a gimmick or something. I mean, he was smart, bro. He was very smart on that football field. I'm telling you. I mean, yeah, he was a freak for his size. I mean, 360 just the way that he could move his athletic ability.

Kind of a dude's dude as well with his barbecues man Inviting the guys over having that barbecues sauce for everyone. He was also a fucking dog. Yeah, he was a dog He was grimy in there Oh, yeah when you're the guy taking the double team the whole time and you know, you have to go against 600 pounds every fucking play Cuz he's taking double teams and replay 600 pounds and he would take those double teams and kind of he's taking double teams every play. 600 pounds. And he would take those double teams and kind of just eat those double teams up. He really would.

And just let that linebacker just free to go in and make the plays. And he's a fucking stud. He is? He's an athleticism. He is, man. I mean, he can shoot a basketball. I mean, he's an insane thrower of the football.

You watch his golf swing. You're like, holy fuck. I think he's scratch golfer. This is a true tough one, man This is really tough to really categorize and pinpoint Vince wolf work to just one category Man is gonna be tough on three. What do you expect? Well, man, hold on. Let me keep thinking about this man. Oh All right. All right one two

three freeze oh One, two, three, three. Oh, man. Oh, man. I know, man. He is a freak, though. But he's so smart, man. I'm telling you, he's a smart football player. Yeah, but that goes into his freakiness, where you think a guy that looks like him isn't that smart. He's he's great.

He's great in commercials, too. Like you see him in that stove commercial now, like grilling and all that. He's on TV. But you also you're sitting there like, God, like grilling and all that. He's on TV. But you also you're sitting there like, you got to be smart. This large guy got to be smart. Look at this large guy. Right. Now, like we said, we're categorizing freaks as you're just looking at someone.

You're like, how can they possibly do that? Also, a strain that size. Also, also like the can we say he's he's a wizard, though? Can you agree with that? I'm I 100 percent. I mean, I always I mean, Bill talking about how smart he is a football player instinctive. So I do agree he is a freak of nature.

I mean, obviously, to be that size to move, you know, to move that well on the football field, take on double teams and just squash them just the way he tackled guys to they would go right down. There was no mistackles by Vince Wulfork when he got your hands on you. No. So he draped you down and he swallow you. All right. We'll try again. Let's do it again. One, two, three, freak.

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That's right. We're gonna be equating our favorite Thanksgiving dishes to an NFL player. Like Tom Brady would totally be the turkey, the star of the show. Mashed potatoes, cranberry stuffing, mac and cheese. My mouth is watering already. Let's get into it.

Let's get into it, Jules. All right, so cranberry sauce. I'm ready to feast already right now. I'm getting hungry. The NFL equivalent to a cranberry sauce, which we're going to categorize cranberry sauce as a little sweet little tart, a bit polarizing. Who would that be, man? There's got to be a couple of players that represent that. Does it have to be someone that we play with or it can be a current player?

Anyone? It could be anyone. But it has to be an NFL player. Medcalf. DK. You really think so? He's a little polarizing. People either love him or hate him. He could be a fucking a fun time out there, but he can also rip your face off and try to fight you. He's always trying to fight. You want to know what who really reminds me of a cranberry sauce? That's you, Jules, man. You are a little sweet, man. You could be definitely tired at sometimes.

You could be sour, depending on the mood that you are going into the locker room that day, depending on what happened and a bit polarizing. I mean, one day you're you're you're all, you know, positive. And the next day you're yelling at everybody on the defensive side of the ball. So I'm going with you as the cranberry sauce. I'll take it. All right. Are you kidding me? I love. Are you kidding me? Are you are you like that sugary cranberry sauce?

I think you are. I'm the ocean cranberry canned sauce. OK. And it's easy. Open her up, take her out. Probably not the best for you, but delicious. I love this. I love this segment already, man. Thanksgiving food talk and who it represents as a player. Man, this is fun. I can't I can't wait.

Am I what am I? I don't know. We'll get to it. I think hopefully I could be the next one. Stuffing Verstile, a fan favorite, ties it all together. Oh, I like it. You're stuffing. I am stuffing. I'm going with it. Who else is stuffing? I can do it all on the football field. I mean, Barry Sanders would be stuffing, you know, keeping it on the Thanksgiving.

Mashed potatoes and gravy. Two dudes. Glue guy dish holds everything together. Is it one guy or is it two dudes? I'm going to go with definitely Matthew Slater here. Yeah, he's a glue guy. He is. He does hold the whole team together. He holds court after the game. Yeah. Matt, Matt Slater definitely plays a big part in the mashed potatoes and gravy.

Are we are we working with two guys here? Who's the gravy? Because he's not the gravy. He's the mashed potatoes. Definitely. And then the gravy that that tops that off. Joe Cardona would be his little sidekick. Yeah, Joe Cardona. But what about Nico Koudavides? Koudavides? Koudavides, definitely the gravy.

He was. Yeah, he is. He kept everyone together. In like a fatty way. His gravy's not the best for you. It's actually terrible for you because it's just butter and dripping. And Nico was kind of terrible for you.

Terrible, but great for you. But he kept it all together for the team. He was great for the team. Yeah. If you don't know who Nico Koudavides is, I mean, he played in the NFL at the linebacker position for, you know, nine years in. Started with Seattle, played in Denver, Tampa, and then he ended up and finished his career with us on the New England Patriots. He was he was he was a part of the good times.

As for sure, he was the guy that held court. He was a very gravy guy. Loved me some Nico. He was funny as fuck. First day, Tim Tebow came in and asked him if he jacked off. Remember that? I do. Who's the mac and cheese of the team? We can't get into that though, man.

Oh man. All right. Let's get the mac and cheese. What's a performer? A performer, the mac and cheese, a performer. The mac and cheese is a sleepy star for many. The performer steals the show. I would say in New Day.

Causes problems. They cause problems? Yeah. Cause it's either like you're a mac and cheese fan or you're just not a new day causes problems. They cause problems. Yeah. Because it's either like you're a mac and cheese fan or you're just not a mac and cheese fan. And some people believe mac and cheese is a Thanksgiving staple. And that's kind of like down south. And then there's other people who don't believe mac and cheese should be even be on the plate for Thanksgiving.

It's kind of like a diss to the green bean casserole. Yeah. So then who's the mac and cheese? Performer, controversial. James Winston. He's a little controversial. He'll eat some W's. He just stole, yeah. He does that W thing and then eats it

when he was with the Bucks. What about Aaron Rodgers? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a good one right there. Rodgers. He's mac and cheesy. Yeah, he is. If you put a little like,

he's got a truffle. Baker? Baker Mayfield? He put some mushrooms in there. Okay, yeah, there you go. Yeah, oh, we've done Aaron Rodgers, too. Aaron Rodgers, Aaron Rodgers. So say that again, what was that, Jules? Well, you know, instead of putting

like a truffle mac and cheese in, put like a mushroom mac and cheese, or a ayahuasca mac and cheese, or some kind of psychedelic mac and cheese. Maybe. No, you're right on. I can't argue that. Who's the turkey right now? The National Football League, the turkey right now, the star.

Patrick Mahomes was out of doubt. Not even an argument. It's not even an argument. Maybe Josh Allen. He's the turkey in Buffalo. Yeah, he's a little dried up, though. Mm hmm. You know, he's got a little dried out turkey. He's a little dried out turkey. When it comes to the AFC Championship game, he needs it.

He needs a little fry that turkey up. Need a little moisture. And Josh Allen is like that white meat. Little drier. Yeah. I would say that's overcooked. He's not over. No, it's still good. It's still really good. But it ain't. Yeah, he's not overcooked. No, no, you're not. It's still good. It's still really good. Yeah.

But it ain't. Yeah, he's not overcooked. It ain't Patrick yet. Yeah, just not that little dark meat. You know, you never know. This time we cook it this year. That always hits. It could be this year it cooks in

and we get a perfect cook. But right now, time will tell you that the most moist turkey would be Patrick Mahomes. All right. And who's the pumpkin pie slash sweet potato, the reliable, consistent, little good ender of the meal? No matter what, how full you are, you always have room to eat this pumpkin pie. Or sweet potato. Or apple pie with a side of vanilla ice cream with some whipped cream, a cherry on top. Oh, maybe some nuts sprinkled over it with some caramel sauce, some chocolate sauce.

Oh, now we're talking. Who is this guy? Reliable, consistent and a good ender to him. Oh, is this is this is this playoff dollar? It's like a kicker. Yeah. But playoff Dola, always reliable in the playoffs. Always. I mean, he is a good ender to a meal. I mean, you see how delicious he looks in Dancing with the Stars now. The dude is pretty hot.

Yeah. The dude is. Consistent guy at being reliable in the playoffs. Regular season, if you ask Bill Belichick, he was not consistent there. But we're not talking regular season. We're talking end of season when the meal's over. He was always there. When the meal was on consistent there. But we're not talking regular season. We're talking end of season when the meal is over. He was always there when the meal was on the line.

But this might have to go to a kicker, though. Who are you thinking is a kicker all time or right now? Doesn't matter. Buckner, right? Or what's the oh, Buckner. He's consistent. I'm not a little controversial, depending on what pie he is. He could be apple pie. And I can tell you who's making that pie.

You know, I can tell you who's making that pie. It ain't him. This is better half. But, you know, depending on you, he could be a pump. The sweet potato people may not like him personally. I think they taste the same. They do, especially when you have a side of ice cream. Personally, I think, you know, you give me either. I'm cool. You know, he's made a lot of big kicks in the last few years.

So I would say he's pumpkin or sweet potato pie, depending on who you are, what you are. I'm hungry. I know I'm hungry. Thankful for the show today, man. I'm thankful to be here with you, Jaws, to talk it out. What's going on, you know, in the football world, scouting guys, what we can do better on our episodes as well. Just thankful for everything. Thank you for the meals that you bring here every time I show up.

Good meals on podcasting days, man. Great meals, the smoothies, the breakfast burritos, man. Just so good. So here right now, you ladies, you guys trying to get at the gronk, which he's taken off off off the line, but you know, you get to him through his stomach. You want to get to his heart, you go through his stomach. I don't got a heart, I got a stomach.

Yeah, but to get through that heart, you get to give him some food, a smoothie, some healthy shit, you know, and you get a good one. Self scout, what do I think? I think we did. What could we do better? Jules? I sometimes we give him these tangents. They have nothing to do with anything, but that's podcast.

Yeah, I guess. Podcasting is finest. We'll figure it out. You guys tell us. Also, you guys tell us what we got to do better. We're still trying to tighten this thing up, make it a fish and effective machine. Kind of like it was when we were playing in the place we played That's not like that

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