Games with Names - Dudes on the 2025 NFL Draft

Episode Date: April 24, 2025

It's Draft Day! Today, we're talking all things NFL Draft. The guys share their draft day experiences, we break down Cam Ward and his wild journey to potential number one pick, then we look into our Crystal Balls to see what the future holds for some of these high profile draftees. We feature the chillest dudes of this year's draft in this week's Chillest Dude of the Week presented by Coors Light. Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Yeah, I forgot the second day. I forgot the second day. The ice cream truck didn't have enough ice cream. Yes, there we go. Only time Rob has ever been mad. I forgot the second day the ice cream truck fell didn't have enough ice cream. Yes But only time Rob has ever been mad We're gonna have to give her a call Eventually, and I'm gonna have to clear it up on day two, but I think it was when the ice cream ran out of the ice cream truck Welcome to dudes on dudes. I'm Julian Edelman and I'm Rob Granckowski

And this is the show where your favorite dudes get to talk about their favorite dudes. Happy draft day everyone. It's finally here What are we talking about today? Well, how about me partying on stage with my family after I got drafted in the second round? You probably had a lot of energy bottled up Is that why we had the like a mousetrap in the middle of the draft room all about the perspective number one pick? that's a guy that that knows what he's doing because he's been counting out his whole entire life. And we look into our crystal balls.

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Draft is coming up tonight. Yes it is. Big night. A lot of hope for fans. Lot of new beginnings for athletes. It's just like the start of the season. The draft is the start of the season. What do you remember from the draft? Start of your new life as well, man.

Starting your new life. You're about to be a professional. Well, now these days these guys are technically professionals because a professional is when you get paid for doing what you do and they're getting paid in college now, so technically

They are professionals, but they're becoming true pros now and they go to the NFL NFL pros Which is the pros of all pros, but I remember this you know to the tee drew Rosenhouse He got me invited to the NFL draft through I think Who's that guy? He was older? He's the one who invited all the guys there I forgot his name man legendary legendary I drink it down a legendary in the draft Drew called me up he's like I got you invited to the NFL draft and I was like no way because I didn't even play my junior year in college so it's kind of absurd that I even got invited to the NFL draft and

Drew was like hey you might not go first round, but you know, you'll go second round at least. And you'll be the first one ever at the draft to be selected in the second round. I was like, whatever, I'm going first round. I was very optimistic that I was going first round. Uh, and the draft comes, you know, I'm all excited. I'm only 20 years old. Actually I got my whole family there. My friends from growing up in high school, they drove from Buffalo, New York.

So shout out to my buddies. No adult beverages? Yes, no adult beverages yet. Yes, no adult beverages. I'm only 20 years old, you know. I wasn't drinking yet until I got the 21. But so the draft comes. And you know, first team on the clock,

that needs a tight end. And it's the 21st pick who the Cincinnati Bengals Bengals their tight end coach. He came and worked me out at my pro day, too I felt like I had a you know terrific pro day felt like I was the best tight end in the draft Yeah, you know I had a lot of question marks because of my craziness in college and not playing my junior year and having the back surgery. And I don't get drafted, they take Jermaine Gresham. And to this day, my mom still claims that

there's only two days of my life where she saw me pissed. And mad or whatever term she puts it. And she says it was draft night. And I forgot the second one. second one I forgot the second day I forgot the second day the ice cream truck fell didn't have enough ice cream yes there we go but only time Rob has ever been mad we're gonna have to give her a call eventually and I'm gonna have to clear it up on day two but I think it was when the ice cream ran out of the ice cream truck they ran out there but uh, she still recalls it to that day.

Hey, I never seen you like that. Rob, you know, once the Cincinnati Bengals pass and you, and you didn't get drafted in the sec in the first round, you know, so I was disappointed, you know, I felt like a first round talent, but then, you know, day two comes with a lot of, you probably had a lot of energy bottled up probably a lot of Madness going in there didn't go first round rob gronkowski took the other guy first Is that why we had the?

the exuberant of energy Excitement on the stage with the whole gronkowski family and extended relatives doing the mash, like a mosh pit in the middle of the draft room? 100%. I was ready to unleash it on the first night of the draft in the first round. And you know, that all got bundled up because I actually went back to my room

and it's the first time where my friends and everyone just saw me say, hey, I'm just calling it a night. I'm just going to go to bed and wait for, you know, the second day of the draft and see where I go and then New England gave me that call with the 40 second pick and my life changed right on the spot I actually you know when I got that call I was mad I was furious I wasn't like furious I was just pissed I didn't go in the first round I just felt like I

belonged there and that was always a dream of mine. But when I got that call from New England, I didn't care one single bit anymore that I didn't go in the first round. My aura just got re-picked back up. My dream came to real life right on the spot in that moment, man. It was it was the best one of my best moments and feelings I've ever had. It had nothing to do with the simple fact that you just dodged a bullet by having to almost go play with Andy Dalton instead getting Tom Brady.

100% and my agent's no shade on Andy, but if you're a fucking receiver and tight end in this world, you got a chance to play with Tom Brady. I, you're going to go play Tom Brady. You got football. God's looked out. Yes. The football gods did look out for me. And I remember sitting there and Joe bro, though, again, maybe, maybe in a ultimate and another universe in another universe like in interstellar in the fifth dimension there's fucking Rob Gronkowski catching seam routes over eating Skyline chili in Cincinnati having one of the Gronkowski I bet you and instead of Gordy living in like Southie he's probably living in like, Kentucky, right across the river from fuckin' Cincinnati,

and he's got like a little like thing going on out there. Like this whole life could be in Cincinnati. And he's hitting the universe, you have Kentucky bars on Friday night and Saturday night, and then he's coming to Cincinnati. Louisville a couple times, got a Shakers and all the colleges in Kentucky. I mean, the fuckin fucking this Cincinnati

Parallel verse I don't know how to say it. It was in spider-man. It almost happened Parallel verse, but what is it? We want to we want to think multiverse. Yes Well, let's think Jermaine Gresham for being a stud because they took him over me Which was possibly the best thing that ever happened in my career No doubt about that because at the same, I was at the draft too, and Drew Rosenhouse's brother, Jason Rosenhouse, who does all the behind the scene work with their agency, goes, hey Rob, he said this across the table when like the 28th pick came, he's like,

I know your matter right now, he goes, but you dodged a bullet not going to Cincinnati, trust me. And I was like, oh, all right, like it made me feel better at that moment. I was like, okay, that's what I'm talking about. So that was cool by him, you know, he made me feel comfortable with my skin He was just telling the truth and now looking back at it. I sure did dodge a fucking bullet Now at the time Brady baby if you had one piece of advice for a

Player going to the NFL about to get drafted tonight or the next couple nights, what would it be? Stay calm, stay cool, stay collective. You know, you may not hear your name called where you want it to be called, but let me tell you, that's not gonna define your legacy. You know, you're gonna still get the same opportunity in the NFL if you're the 10th pick in the draft,

or if you're the 100th pick in the draft, or even if you're a free agent. You're going to get more chances. That's it. You're going to get the same opportunity as a first rounder. You'll get an opportunity. But you get more opportunities if you're a first rounder, and you're not really panning out.

If you're good you're gonna you're gonna stick. Yes exactly so just be good be patient just doesn't define you where you're drafted it just gives you that chance even if you're a free agent and you're signing for free agent money with a team you're still gonna get that chance and make the most of it once you get that opportunity and once you get that chance. All right that's very heartfelt now once the player gets drafted after he gets drafted, what's the advice? All right. The advice is that night, that night. Enjoy it. Take it in, buddy. Take it in. Have all your friends around you.

Have your family around you. You know, if you're a single guy, though, have to have one guy that's sober. Yes. Taking care of everything. Always, always you're single. Call a guy though. Have to, hey, have one guy that's sober. Yes. Taking care of everything. Always. Always have someone sober around you. Get your Uber lined up. And get your car serviced.

If you're single, make sure you got like 10 ladies around you. Oh, whatever it is that you like around you. Yes. If you're not single, then have your girl there and tell her that it might be getting a little bit crazy tonight. I don and tell her that, you know, that it might be getting a little bit crazy today. I don't know. I don't know, Jules.

I was 20 years old. I was absolute maniac. You know, I remember jumping up and down on stage with Roger Goodell and my family. It was the best moment of my life. I'll still remember that day, even after life. I will remember, I remember the team meeting after you doing that when you weren't even on the team yet

with the offense, Billy O'Brien saying, you guys are gonna love this fucking guy. He is everything you think he is and more and he's a fucking insane football player. And I remember Billy O'Brien saying, the fucking ball looks like a beer can in his hand. Look how big his hands are. Remember him always saying that?

Yes, yes, I do. A Billy O, man, what a visit I had with him. That story's been told like a million times. So we don't need to revamp that, but man, it was just meant to be me going to New England. Oh, without a doubt. It really was in all situations. I needed to go to New England. Oh, without a doubt. Really was in all situations. I needed to go to New England.

That's that was my calling was to go there. And I loved I just fit in with the culture there. I fit in with the people of New England. I fit in with you guys right away. I mean, we love to just work hard and then just play hard as well, especially when we were young bucks. We were we were working hard. We were playing hard.

Are you going to do the fucking 69th pick for the Patriots or what? All right Well, we talked about this already on a previous episode and let me tell you that blew up everywhere I didn't know it was gonna gain that much traction So Stacy James we kind of loosened Stacy James up a little bit cuz Stacy James up tight like a little bit like he's he's By the book, you know, hey Rob, you can't say this. You can't do that. Let's, uh, no, we're not going to do this.

We're, we're going to do that. But like we've loosened them up through our times eight years ago, 10 years ago. So now like he appreciates like all the silly jokes we have. And he gives me a holler and he sees our little podcast and he goes, Hey Rob, he gives me a holler and he sees our little podcast. He goes, hey Rob, he gives me a text. If you really want to announce the 69th pick of the draft, let me know, I'll get it done. And I'm like, oh, coming from Stacy James, all right.

You know, loosen up baby. I'm like, we made it. Stacy James is making it now too. He's big time, you know. He's being silly as well. So I hit him back up. I'm like, okay, I'll let you know. Let me look at the date and where it's at.

And then the NFL front office hits me up too. Tracy. Yeah, shout out to Tracy. She does such a great job. Yeah, she is the best. And she's like, hey Rob, are you serious about the 69th pick? Like, we'll get it done.

And I'm like, yeah, I'm serious about the 69th pick. Like, how could I not be? And by the way, 69 jokes, they kind of like went downhill, like in the last like 10 years, like they got overused and like, you got to pick your spot when 69 jokes are going to be good. No, this is your spot. This was the time to, you know,

bring that 69 energy back to the table. I think we need to bring 69 energy back to the table. So I'm sitting there and I look at my calendar and I'm like, oh crap, I already got something that Friday night. We got Fox retreats. Yeah, I got a retreat, you know. Business stuff. Business stuff, we'll just put it that way.

I got business stuff that Friday night. You're thinking about it though. So I'm thinking about it. So I sent him a message and said, I am so sorry, I cannot make it, you know. This hurts me so sorry I cannot make it you know it this hurts me deeply that I cannot announce the 69th pick in person it's all the way in Green Bay too that would have been you know a hard travel and travel how can you 69 when you're frozen too that's hard like that would have been really

tough to announce that pick in 69 frozen it's more like a six zero yeah there's no there's no nine part. Yeah. You can't, you're frozen. I'm shrunken. I can't, you can't, you know, raise the bar when you're shrunken in the cold. Yeah. But, uh, I told them, I sent a message to Tracy.

I sent a message to, uh, Stacey, Stacey, Tracy and Stacey. Sounds like a great couple. And, uh, I'm like, hey, I can't make it unfortunately, but let me know. I can zoom in or I can send a video in announcing the 69 pick. So we'll see if we'll see how it goes tonight. Maybe it maybe they it sticks.

Maybe it doesn't know it's tomorrow night. Jules the 69 pick is Friday. Oh yeah. Sorry, I'm not good with numbers. We'll see. Tune in. Tune in. Yeah.

Well, I got a question though. You got drafted in the seventh round, Julian. What's it like when you got that phone call? And what's it like to, to, you know, get drafted in the later rounds and see everyone in front of you be drafted and go into, you know, the organization knowing that you were the last pick? Is there kind of a chip on your shoulder when you're a late round guy? Yeah. At that point, you just want to get drafted. And I just wanted to see my name on the ticker or be called out loud. Being a late round guy, it's like every man for your fucking self.

Looking back on it. Going in the seventh round is worse. Then being undrafted. I mean, my signing bonus was double. I think my signing bonus was forty nine thousand bucks when, you know, I had six teams that called said, we're not drafted you. But if you get on your if you go and drafted, we'll give you 20 grand to sign with us.

So there is a bunch of priority free agent lineups. If I didn't get drafted, which I was, I was going to pick the Green Bay Packers. We're going to go to the Packers. But when you get drafted in the seventh, you're locked down for four years. When you're undrafted free agent, it's only two years. So you get to free agency quicker. Now it's a double-edged sword because you have more time to develop.

You'll get a little more opportunity than the guy who's undrafted because you're a draft pick. But if you ball out early and you're undrafted, you get to go to free agency quicker, you can make more money. And you get more money for the, what was it? The player performance. So I used to, that's how I used to clean up.

I get a lot of money for player performance, which was a formula that gave guys that, due to their draft picks, money towards their playing time. So every play counted as a certain amount of dollar. And for my scale, it was extremely high, because I was a seventh round draft pick. So I used to make a good amount of change from all the special teams and all the personnel groups.

When I got those plays through the player performance. But yeah, I mean, I was just happy to be drafted. I just went on a rant. I had CTE a moment. Well, there's two benefits to getting drafted in the seventh round. One, to say you got drafted. You can say that for the rest of your life.

And two, you don't have to choose a team like you're going through the free agency process. It just makes it easy. They chose you. Yeah. Other than that, I guess be a free agent instead of getting drafted in the seventh round. Wait. Yeah. No, it's if I would rather say for rest of my life, I got drafted into the NFL. Yeah, but it's almost like you're in the last round of the draft. So it's almost better like to be like, well, I was undrafted.

If I have my same success on the field, it almost sounds cooler coming at, you know, last round still sounds cool, but undrafted like Danny Amandola. His story is cooler because he went on draft Yeah, you know you mean dancing Amandola any dancing Amandola. I don't know has he been dancing lately though I mean he did the whole show he almost wanted out But I haven't seen him dance since so if I ever did that dancing with the star show I'd be going out to the club and I'd be ripping up the dance for for four hours straight showing all the moves that I gained And this dude just stopped dancing right all the moves that I gained.

And this dude just stopped dancing right on the spot. I don't know. I think he's been out of some clubs. Yeah. Yeah. But not dancing. Could be. It could be. Now, if he was dancing, it would be all over the place.

He just, he just prancing. Stop prancing. Start dancing. Danny. Yeah. It's a prince and start dancing. Yeah. Wes Welker free agent. Uh, yeah. Wasn't drafted. dancing, Danny. Yeah, stop prancing and start dancing. Yeah, Wes Welker, free agent.

Free agent. Yeah, wasn't drafted. Danny Woodhead. Woodhead, stud. Rookie free agent. A lot of studs. We play with Pat McAfee. Did he get drafted?

Seventh round. Oh, he was a seventh rounder. Seventh round, same year as me. My brother, Dan Granckowski, Detroit line, second last pick to being... Mr. Irrelevant? Yeah, Mr. Irrelevant. So he was Mr. Semi-Irrelevant.

Yeah. He's Mr. Irrelevant Eve. Yes. That's kind of cool to say that. Yeah. Irrelevant Eve. Yeah. The night before, the day before, the pick before.

That's the night when everyone parties too and celebrates. So it's better to be that pick, I guess. Yeah. Yeah, it is. The anticipation is still there for the last pick. All right. We'll be right back after this quick break. The 40s and free agents podcast with Daniel Jeremiah and Greg Rosenthal has prepared you for the 2025 NFL draft. We've told you what last year's playoff teams need to return to the

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And we're gonna get on a dude that's a big name in this year's draft. And that's your only hint. Give me the AI. We haven't done this in a while. Give me the AI summary of this. Oh, no way. This draft pick.

Start the clock. The AI synopsis. 10 minutes, ready, steady, go. AI. Standing at 6'2 and weighing 223 pounds, this quarterback dude has made his mark in college football history. He grew up in West Columbia, Texas and played high school football at Columbia High, where he earned first team all district honors.

He is projected as the potential number one overall pick in the 2025 NFL draft after a standout season at Miami, where he won the Manning Award and ACC Player of the Year, as well as setting the NCAA division one career touchdown record with 178. First off I didn't know there was a Manning Award so we should talk about that what the Manning Award is. I didn't know that. Yeah me neither so let's talk about that let's see what that award is I kind of want to win the Manning Award. I know. I love the Mannings they're hilarious. You have the Manning Award you're on every commercial that like post retirement. You have the Manning Award for cuz he's there the mannings are on every commercial

Now you're on I out manning the mannings. It should be the Gronkowski award His rapid development elite arm talent and clutch performances Have elevated him from a zero star high school recruit zero stars zero stars. I gotta hear about his his journey, man I didn't know he was a zero star recruit. If you're a zero, that's bad. Yeah, and this dude was a zero. I mean, you gotta be the first pick. Yeah.

Back to the hella stars. All right. Elevate him from a zero star high school recruit to the drafts top quarterback prospect. Let's get on to Cam Ward. Ooh, Cam Ward. Man. All right, let's get back to that Manning Award real quick. What is the Manning Award? I never heard about it. What's the Manning Award?

It's probably an elite award. It's gotta be. College quarterback award, Peyton Manning award. Peyton Manning did light it up at Tennessee. He did. He lit it up at Tennessee. I mean all the Mannings have lit it up in college and in the NFL which is just incredible. So I understand why there's a Manning's have lit it up in college and in the NFL, which is just incredible. So I understand why there's a Manning award. Yeah, and this, and Cam Moore got it. Now- Best quarterback in college football.

Without a doubt. That's my understanding. Oh, it's named after Archie Manning. Yeah, it's named after Archie and the whole family. Makes sense because it started in 2004 and I think Peyton was still playing. So like, you don't really get an award named after you until like you're totally done with with your whole career. But Cam Ward this guy's a stud not like that but this

guy's made his own path I mean going from a zero star to what what was the first school he went to in Carnet word in Texas? FCS then he went to Washington State balled out entered the draft didn't like where he was potentially gonna go plays it smart We make five million bucks Miami and bets on himself and now he's gonna be the first pick and it's not even really close I mean he reminds me I heard someone say it I forgot who said it I mean, he reminds me, I heard someone say it, I forgot who said it. He reminds me of Steve McNair, and it's really cool that he's potentially gonna be in Tennessee where Steve McNair balled.

I mean, you look at his, he's always on balance when he's throwing. Like you see his feet, and he's always on balance, and he always has his feet with him when he's about to throw. I like his arm. That's good quarterback mechanics Good quarterback mechanics

He has that one he had that one where he rolls to his left and he flips his hips and he hits the guy in The back of the end zone like across the field not like way across the field but over the field But he flipped his hips like a shortstop and he's slaying that thing Like I always see him with really good feet, and he's pretty damn athletic I think he's gonna be a really good football player I hope I hope that he gets paired up with the play caller that adjust to his game cuz that's that's a huge part To to the development of these young quarterbacks. It's the ecosystem that he gets in So I hope Tennessee has this prepared because I mean he ran a four

four eight Six two not a runner runner, but he has athleticism you see him in the pocket. He's very elusive in the pocket What do you think about this guy? Well, can you just go back reiterating when you said he went? Into the draft or to the combine and he didn't like where he was gonna get drafted and then he went to the University of Miami Combine and he didn't like where he was gonna get drafted and then he went to the University of Miami So that's something new that I just learned you can still enter the draft go to the Combine And if you don't like we're gonna be selected or projected you can go back to college Can you explain that to me is did he that's a rule now? Did he go to the Combine? He went to the Combine How did how did that happen?

He initially entered his name. He entered his name. Decided. All right. Nah, I'm not going to, I'm not going to draft. I'm going to transfer to Miami. Okay. Now was that a, see, was that a, was that a negotiation ploy to get more money from a school? Like this, this is like the new.

It's all about leverage. Leverage. It is. So he wanted. He called it John L.A. in college. So he wanted to improve his draft stock and capitalize on NIL. So he decided to transfer to Miami from Washington state. I mean, that's that's impressive. And if he was projected as a fifth rounder, I think it was. So his

contract would have been like a three year, $5 million deal. So he went back to college, made all that money, NIL money, and now he's projected probably to sign like a 30 to $40 million deal if he's the first pick of the draft. I mean, that's how you count on yourself. That's a guy that knows what he's doing because he's been counted out his whole entire life being a zero star from the beginning coming out of high school. So he knew that he could just keep on capitalizing, keep on gaining, keep on improving, you know? And that's why he went back to college

shooting at University of Miami. And here's my story about Cam Ward. I had no clue who Cam Ward was, you know? I don't follow college like that much. You know, you know all the big guys. I follow the University of Arizona. I watch a couple of games. It's tough, we gotta watch a lot of football.

We gotta watch a lot of pro football. Talk about that. Exactly, Jules. Exactly. I know the NFL, know all the guys inside and out, but I just have this game on at my house. There's a football game on at my house, and I'm just peeking at it, doing some work on my computer. And that's why football is so great as well,

because you can just put a game on in the background, and you can just do peeks and just get entertained real quick and go go back to work whatever you're doing. Hey, no your friends a little situational Stimuli like third Nate cool. Yeah. All right I'll watch this Oh red area target. Oh hell Mary. Okay, the game how Mary okay? I gotta watch this Hold on one second air ball. Oh shit. Oh, he sucks. Back to business. Hey man, how's it going? Real life situation, oh my God.

Fucking mailman's always late. First and 10, I give no shit. You know, back to work. Let me get my work done. Fourth and goal, okay. Let's see what's going on. All right, so I'm just peeking at the game and there's this quarterback that's just dominating.

Like his talent level is just that much higher than everyone out on the field. And I'm like, this guy is special. Like this guy looks like an absolute animal, absolute beast. And it looks like it's high school football because of how talented this guy was compared to everyone else out on the field. So I seen like a big run and I see another big run and I see some crazy pass and then I didn't really look who was playing.

So then he caught my attention that much. I'm like, all right, let me see what team this is. Who's playing? And I look and it's the University of Miami. I think it was versus Virginia Tech. And I'm like, this is Division I football. This is the University of Miami. Well, Cam Ward was making it look so easy out there

out on the football field that I thought it was a high school game and some absolute five star football player just absolutely dominating everybody else. That's how special he was. And I was just peeking at the screen. And that's when I fell in love with Cam Ward. And I was like, this dude is an absolute monster out there out in the field.

And then I tuned in for rest of the game. And I'm pretty sure it was that Virginia Tech game. It could have been another game, but they were down. He came back, threw a bomb, had like a 20 yard run touchdown. And it was just incredible what he was doing out on the field. And then I looked him up right there on the spot. And he was the projected top five pick. And I was like, that makes a lot of sense now.

But just that story alone, to come from a zero star, to go to the school I don't even never even heard of, to Washington State playing a Pac-12 when it was the Pac-12, then go to Miami, bet on himself for one more year. I mean, that's a great story. I can't wait to watch him, but I watch his film and how he even pats the ball, like Steve McNair, and he's always on balance in the pocket

and he keeps his eyes down the field. I'm just so, I just hope that, you know, Tennessee can surround this kid and he has an actual shot. You know, you wouldn't want to see that go to waste. But, uh. I mean, yeah, he holds Miami single season records for yards, 4, 4,300 plus yards completion. 12 games.

305, 39 TD passes passes 67.2 completion percentage I think that was 1.8 percent too low Julian if you can do that math so he was a little down there I might take him number two overall now not number one overall I think he you know he slid in the dress you know That but has the most career division one touchdowns a hundred and seventy eight so that's combined passing and and rushing correct It's gotta be I mean yeah for sure the guy runs like a freak of nature So he's running touchdowns all over the place. He never looked like he got caught from behind No, he never he doesn't look like he's a burner, but he's a look like Steve McNair I don't think Steve McNair ran crazy fast, but you watch Steve, man.

He was like, he reminds me of him. It's crazy. I think Dan Orlowski said something about it on one of his shows. And I was like, and I started watching. I'm like, this motherfucker really does look like Steven McNair. And I loved their McNair. He was so fun to watch. And McNair played for the Tennessee Titans.

I know. Houston Oilers, right? Well, both. Houston Oilers and Tennessee Titans, both. Something like that, I think. I'm guaranteeing this guy is the number one pick in the draft. You guarantee it?

I'm guaranteeing it. All right. I'm taking it. I feel like he solidified it as well at his pro day. He absolutely dominated his pro day. And I think he should be the number one pick as well. I just love the way that he plays the game. He can throw the ball, he can run the ball.

Smart player too. Zero star recruit because he was in a wing tee offense. That's, you know, that's a huge part of why he was zero star. That's all like counter shit. I played against that. Well, that's probably. 1998 Super Bowl game against Naperville Redskins We ain't never seen the wingt before from coming from the west coast of Redwood City

went over the parking lots of Disneyworld saw these kids running a wingt in the Walkthrough we're like what the fuck are we getting into and yeah, it's a bunch of guys Just running a bunch of different shit all the time. It's very tough. And so it's hard for the quarterback to get any notice. He only averaged 12 pass attempts. Well, that's probably where he learned how to run the ball.

That, exactly. Exactly. I mean, this is gonna be fun. I'm excited to see. You don't hear anything bad about him. I haven't heard anything like, he's not a problem to be around. Like, regardless of what you want to say

about Shador Sanders, people talk about him for being there's something there. You know, of some kind of something. I haven't heard of any of those kind of stories with Cam Ward. I don't know if that's media shit or this or that, but like he seems to be like a good like liked guy in the locker room Well, I could tell you this if you're a zero star

You got to be level-headed and you got to be going in the right direction Because if you're a zero star and you're causing problems in life, you're never gonna get any opportunities You can be a five star and cause 500 problems in your life, but you're gonna keep getting chances But when you're a zero star, they're just gonna overlook you if you have a background of bad behavior as well. So clearly, you know, the football gods are on his side because he seems like a great dude, you know?

And that's why you probably haven't heard anything, you know, intangible about him. So for all you young kids, if you think you're a zero star, you still have a shot because Cam Ward was a zero star. Now he's about to be the goddamn first pick of the national football draft tonight. All right, time.

What kind of dude is Cam Ward? I don't know, Julian. I think you said it right at the beginning, right off the bat. No. It was 10 minutes ago or like 20 minutes ago. So I think I forgot. I got hit in the head a lot since I got drafted

15 years ago in the second round, 40 second pick overall. I can remember that still. I said he was a stud, but he's developed himself into a stud, but he wasn't always a stud and a stud is always a stud. Mm hmm. That's a good point. Mm hmm. OK. Was zero stars ain't studs. You know what they are? Dogs.

They're fucking dogs. OK, and he's right up my alley. I was a fucking zero star. I was a zero star. That's why you ain't a stud. No, no. Maybe for breakfast, you can be a studly muffin, but that's all. Studly muffin.

You're a dog, Julian. You are a zero star. You know what, and that's from the stories we've been talking about. Zero star, loser, I was a four star. I think I was a two star. Yeah, you were, because if you get an offer, you're automatically a two star if you go division one.

But he didn't go division one. I went to Juco first, I had to go to Juco. Oh, so you were a zero star. Zero. You know that game? It's either a zero or a one. You were a zero. Well, know who wasn't a zero?

Cam Ward. And we already just declared what he, he's officially on three, one, two, three, dog. Dog. Yeah, I mean the story of him being zero star to what he is gambling on himself to come back, transfer to Miami. It's honestly these new stories that are gonna be developed with this new rule system.

You're gonna see a lot of this kind of story I bet. Guys that start at a lower level school, dips to another school, then goes to another school. I mean that's that's what happens when you're a free agent every year. And you're not really gonna see that guy that's division two that's dominating get drafted really anymore because he's gonna get scooped up in the in the transfer portal now and go division one you know before his junior and senior year so you're not really

gonna see that Cinderella type player anymore which is kind of disappointing a little bit it was always so fun it is kind of disappointing a little bit. It was always so fun. It's kind of like March Madness. I mean, you got four number one seeds going, going at it for the final four. Why? Because they're powerhouses there every single year. They're going to scoop the best players and pay them.

It's not like you're going to get the 16 seed and just some random guy that developed late in college, you know, dominating, you know, on some no name team, he's going to get scooped up from that no name and get paid and go to a powerhouse program. So you're not really going to see that anymore, even in, in, in the NFL. So it's basically going to be all division one guys that are going to be drafted now. I mean, I'm sure there's going to be a select few division two, maybe one division three guy drafted, but I'm sure they're all going to be from top schools now.

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crystal ball Scenario what the future holds holds situations for this draft class. For this year's rookie draft class? Yeah. Let's do some crystal ball. All right. Crystal ball. Let's go.

Ooh, crystal ball, snowflakes and stars all over this crystal ball. You said crystal balls. Oh, crystal balls. Is it a crystal ball or crystal balls? It's just one ball, right, Jules? Just one ball. I like Crystal Jewels. Crystal Jewel.

All right, let's go. Crystal Ball. Travis Hunter will take more defensive snaps than offensive snaps next season. What does the Crystal Ball say? All right. Well, I finally figured out the crystal balls or crystal ball is the crystal ball in our brain, Jules.

So let me shake it up. I don't think our brain is gonna be shaking anymore. Well, maybe it'll knock some sense into me, this crystal ball. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah, you're right, I shouldn't shake it anymore. I'm kind of like seeing a couple stars. My hat's getting crooked. No, that's not any good. All right. All right. Boom. He will take more

snaps on the offensive side of the ball than on the defensive side of the ball. My crystal ball says defense instead of offense. Well, we got different crystal balls, Julian, and you didn't even shake your crystal ball up. I shook mine up. I shook mine in my head. No, you didn't shake yours up. And when you shake the crystal ball up, that's how it becomes accurate and you actually get a right reading, you know?

So my crystal ball says more offensive snaps. My crystal ball says more defensive snaps. Well, you want to know why he's going to get more offensive snaps? Because he's going to go to a team that is more dependent on getting a better offense. So they're going to need them on offense more. They're going to just need them on offense more. That's why. I like that.

Yeah. That's what my crystal ball told me. Crystal ball. Crystal ball. Will rookie Abdul Carter lead the league in sacks? No. I only even have to shake my crystal ball up on this one. No. It's already reading it. No, he will not lead the league in sacks. He'll I only have to shake my crystal ball up on this one. No, it's already reading it. No, he will not lead the league in

sacks. So I'll have a good rookie year. It'll be soft. I double digits is huge. If he gets double digits, that's huge. My crystal ball still says no, I say eight to nine sacks rookie year is hard for anyone, man. You don't really break out like that. His rookie year. Because I just remember he was a monster. He still is a monster. Yeah.

His get off is just ridiculous. Von Miller, who was a Super Bowl MVP, had 11 and a half sacks. How many sacks, what was the sack leader that year? What year was it? 2011? Jared Allen. Jared Allen had 22 sacks in 2011 and we faced him too.

He was on the Minnesota Vikings. Yeah. Oh my gosh. So like 22 and a half sacks. Holy crap. And Vaughn Miller was a really good football player. I'm not taking anything away against some dual carters. It's just being a rookie.

Being a rookie. Just being real. He's old, you get some fucking 11 year defense or tackle on you Using all your shit and he just sitting there swallowing you up. All right young buck you done Let me anger this little motherfucker while I'm him up Don't get too wide on them Don't let him inside boys. Don't let him inside Don't let them inside boys. Don't let them inside. You should be an offensive line coach.

I love offensive line. Me too. They just get to eat so much food. It's so unfair. Like I just want to eat 16,000 calories a day and just not gain any weight. Remember they used to just take the wings at, at, and they just, oh, like Garfield. And just dip them in the most sauce too. They would Garfield. I remember they'd push them down and just Garfield and you'd see a pile of Bones 20 of them a time. I felt like 20 of them a sitting 20 wings a sit-in Easy easy minimum minimum. I think that's hors d'oeuvre. All right crystal ball

one of this year's rookie quarterbacks will lead his team to the playoffs in 2025. 2025 playoff? So we had two rookie quarterbacks do it last year, Bo Nicks and Daniels. It's not gonna be replicated again. My Crystal Ball says no. That's kind of like a fad. Like it, like the draft class and rookies never really replicate

ever what the year before was. It changes. It just happened to be that this year's draft class, what there was two rookies that led their team to the playoffs. So I think it goes in spurts, you know, and it's a rare situation that happens. So I say, no, I don't say the crystal ball says no. Yeah, I think the crystal ball says no for me too. Mine says no. Because I mean, none of these rookies are gonna get drafted to Sean Payton. Like that's a that's a tricky that's like a sneaky great environment to get drafted into they had a really good defense They had a pretty good Offense going they had the Russell Wilson thing

but like you're getting a Super Bowl winning coach that has developed quarterbacks made Tony Romo all that bullshit Like you're going to that situation. And then the other situation where Jane Daniels just is a super freak, none of these guys are him. I mean, Jane Daniels just had the best rookie football season for a quarterback since CJ Stroud the year before, I guess.

And he had a great support staff around him too. He had great veteran wide receivers. He had Cliff Kingsbury who knows how to develop quarterbacks, call plays, put everyone in the right situation. So Tennessee, who's, who's their coach? Callahan, offensive line coach. Well, he's from, he's the son of Callahan. Even if Kam Ward does have a great rookie year,

I just think the team around him isn't built to don't know the arrow. I think Tennessee's oh Go get a good defense. Yeah, nah bill Callahan's OC, Tennessee just needs a lot more than just a quarterback as well They got to rebuild from the bottom up. I think maybe like two three years Tennessee can be legit, but not next year I agree wash them last year. They need why they need they need players all over the place. You know that their stadium is like the same as our stadium, the same builder made it or something. So like, I remember when we never we went we go play there. It felt like we were kind of at home.

Well, that's probably why they got Mike Rabel as head coach for New England Patriots, because he's already so used to Gillette Stadium, because he was the head coach of the Tennessee Titans. He did play in the first game at Gillette Stadium. The same stadium that was built, the stadium that was built by the same people as Gillette Stadium. So that's why he went to Tennessee. So he can get prepared for Gillette.

The things you learn from the crystal ball. Wow. Yeah, that was all the crystal ball. Now, next one. Well, last year's number two pick, Jaden Daniels. Will he have more total touchdowns than his rookie year? So he had 31 total touchdowns. Will he have more?

My crystal ball says yes, because Jaden Daniels is a guy that I feel like has, you know, his head on his shoulders. You know, he's going in the right direction. He wants to be a better player. He's got the team around him to, you know, to make him a better player going into his second year. And that's when you usually make a big jump,

is actually from your first year to your second year. That's when I made my huge jump, first year to second year. CJ Stroud is actually like the only quarterback that I've seen kind of like dipped a little bit, but he didn't really dip. He kind of- Offensive line was poop. All his weapons were hurt.

So yeah, you're right. So that is the only reason why he took a dip. So I say Jayden Daniels picks it up. He goes for more than 31 total touchdowns. I agree. Well, he's got- Crystal Ball says that. Crystal Ball says, yeah.

And it's because the Crystal Ball says he's got some of that Lamar shit Like we're Lamar has done these things where you're like, man I don't think we'll ever see that again Then he does more the next year and then the more the next year and like he's got that kind of playmaking ability The only thing that scares me with Jane Daniels Is will he be able to last because he's not a big-boned guy and neither was Lamar he doesn't take vicious hits and he's so elusive a Jane Daniels but he's still like he's still a smaller guy you

know like I don't know he it's it's just crazy I that's the only that's the only way the crystal ball is telling me that he doesn't get 31 As if he gets hurt. He just needs to slide if he slides He never takes it because he's out of every he does I seen him like six or seven times he'll juke a guy out of bounds and then you know, you're a lethal runner when Every time you juke a guy out of bounds, the defender who tried to tackle you, daps you up like, hey man, you got me dog.

Like I've seen it four or five times with fucking Jayden Daniels, he's getting dapp ups all the time when he's jockeying up dudes. So yeah. People love Jayden Daniels in Washington and at LSU and he only went to LSU for one year and they claim him like he was there like his whole entire career for The whole five years that he was in college. They love them people love them

I mean college is gonna be very much like the NFL where Nick Foles has a fucking statue for Philadelphia for Winning one game one season, you know, and and he wasn't like a legendary Philly guy game one season you know and and he wasn't like a legendary Philly guy but he was for that one year so he'll be a Philly guy forever much like Jaden Daniels wasn't you know always in LSU but had a lot of great success there he'll be remembered forever you will be claimed where you make the biggest impact in your career all right crystal ball last. I'll take this one. No, no, no, I got this one. Fine, fine, fine, you got it.

Tight end, tight end. That's why I wanted it. I know, I gotta ask you the crystal ball. Okay, okay. Well, let me just snuggle Ralphie real quick. I miss Ralphie. Such a good boy. I know, Rocky's on my back.

He doesn't look like my guy anymore. My guy, I gotta talk to this breeder I went gray said chocolate Raffi has a couple grays but he's just taking after his dad literally has the same hair color as me yeah Rocky my dog it's fucking crazy um dang great come from keep that hat on Jules I thought you got some like hair commercials out there too. Well I swear I see you on an Instagram ad. I have good hair, it's just gray. Yeah I thought you take tips from Tom. No I do actually. Yeah you're always talking about it. Tom does this with his hair I'm doing it now too and yours is all gray.

Oisha. It looks like he's 20 years old. Well he hasn't been working for me. Yeah well maybe he's not telling you all the secrets. Yeah he's the o I would tell you something that was powder that I put my Grave said is gonna make my fucking hair turn brown again. Yeah, I've been taking it for three years My shit is gray as fuck. Got you fucking over here. Oh, we see whatever. Is it called? Oh, yeah He's pranking you fucking asshole Ball back to the crystal ball tight end Tyler Warren will be this season's Brock Bowers. Oh, he's a really good tight end. He's he's like a complete tight end to his big.

He's fierce. He's very athletic, too. It's impressive seeing his size and like he's taking the, you know, handoffs, I think, out of the backfield. How big is he? I don't know. What's his size? I'm pretty sure he's at least 6'5, 260 is my understanding. 6'6, 257.

So he's my size, brother. And I swear he got some handoffs out of the backfield this year for Penn State and looked like a legitimate running back running the ball, too. So he's super athletic. He I'm pretty sure he blocks as well. He gets you know dirty in the trenches but he's not a Brock Bowers. He has a different style. Him and Brock Bowers would compliment each other very well but Brock Bowers is one of a kind. No one's ever gonna

replicate what Brock Bowers did last year. Brock Bowers is too smooth with it. Like Brock Bowers was born to run. Brock Bowers was born to go out there and, and catch a hundred passes a year. Just his style as a tight end. Tyler Warren has like my type of game more like it's not catch 10 balls, a game, you know, I would catch four for one. Catch four big ones for first down, you know, third and 20. You catch it up the middle. You know, you, you knock some guys out and you got to last like Brock Bowers doesn't have that pounding game where guys are, you know, he breaks tackles and stuff. But Tyler Warren gets dirty. I feel like that's his style of play. And that's why I love watching him. But he not gonna have Brock Bowers type season on it let me 24 carries so I was right I was right dude what's up with Penn State always having really great he had he had 104 receptions to me how maybe I'm wrong about him maybe he will have Brock

Bowers numbers but just his senior year he had 104 receptions at Penn State you never hear about even receivers getting a hundred receptions in college. It's it's pro now. It's not college I know but you don't even hear about the like the big names in college have a hundred recesses That's a big year. That is a big year They were clearly force-feeding him the rock if they're if he's getting carries hunter How many targets did he have he had a hundred four catches? prior to 160 targets How many games they have in college? I'm like that guy more and more con 13 targets a game

So he went from 34 to 105 Yeah, yeah 34 to 105 Wow and he only oh my gosh five catches his freshman year just 10 is soft Where's the target 34 is junior then a hundred five he played in 16 games this year. Oh my god, man That's impressive and 12 that is impressive man. Holy crap to have how many targets did he have? I mean he couldn't have more than 150 targets. No way. I mean they didn't they didn't throw the ball that much on Penn State either Wow, they didn't throw the ball that much on Penn State either. They didn't throw the ball there. They're kind of more of a running team from where I recall.

Is he a top 10 draft pick, this guy? I haven't seen him in the top 10, but. He's top 15? Yeah, he's top 15. But he's gonna be a baller. Penn State's gonna have two top 15 picks. Yeah, one DM, one Titan. Penn State had a Super Bowl MVP, or an offensive player of the year last year in Saquon Barkley.

Saquon, I mean Penn State, man. How about that? Rich Ormberger came into the NUT House a couple weeks ago. I mean, we have Penn State everywhere. Ormberger. Ormberger. I love that guy. Coach. Funniest offensive lineman in the history of the NFL. Possibly possibly Chris. So is the yes or no on the crystal ball? He's gonna be solid but just just no Brock Bowers Just no just that's a hard season to have the card like he could maybe have it his second season, you know Brock Bowers is the ideal size

Like to go out and do that think Think about this though. Tyler Warren. So we've had. A big dude. It's hard to have a big dude, 260 and have a hundred catches. The last five years. In the NFL. The last five years, Rob, we've had. And I'm a Tyler Warren fan.

I'm a huge Tyler Warren fan, no doubt about that. Last five years we've had Pukka Nakua in his rookie year break rookie records Most catches in the first two weeks Brock Bowers broke all the tight end records catches yards, whatever For tight ends and Jane Daniels broke a bunch of records all that shit. They're rookier. So like these guys are coming in look at this Mm-hmm last five years has been these things have been frog leaped. Now, are these guys extraordinary guys or is this going to be the new norm?

Now, there's one extra game, whatever, but still the. Like even before that, these these records weren't like close, close, close. They were kind of. But you know what I mean? It's gonna be crazy. Well, let's get into the chillest dude of the week brought to you by our favorite beer, Coors Light. Get Coors Light delivered straight to your door.

Visit CoorsLight.com slash dudes and celebrate responsibly. Let's get a little. Joel, toss me a beer. Beer toss. Ooh, Tyler one for a touchdown. That's his 10th catch of the game, his rookie season, Jules. And in his first game.

So yeah, maybe he will be the next Brock Bowers. I was wrong. Cheers, but the crystal ball said no. But the crystal ball did say no. You're right, cheers. To the chillest dude of the week. And who's the chillest dude of the week and who's the chillest dude of the week? mmm, this dudes for some reason in this year's draft

for some reason draft coverage insights on bringing up tragic and Personal things that have happened to these young football players, But not here. We want to celebrate these dudes. So here are the most positive and heartwarming facts about this year's young studs coming in to the National Football League. Jalen Walker, linebacker out of Georgia, sung the national anthem at college football,

basketball, and minor league baseball games. He played the Tin Man in the Wizard of Oz in high school, and he's projected to go 10th overall, and he is a viable candidate for rookie skit guy of the year. I mean, he's gonna be entertaining the fuck out of the guys in training camp You know you can sing you can do wizard of Oz you could dance and do all that shit

You better know for a fact it better be on display during those rookie skits and if you're a rookie doing that doing all the rookie skits the level of respect that your You know teammates garner for you goes up like to the high level and right away to it's like overnight you you make your teammates laugh at a rookie Skip come BAM. They respect you right on the spot or if you hit a Mariah Carey high note, and it's a good one Don't be going in there. Don't be going in there not being able to sing motherfuckers rules start throwing shit at you Mm-hmm. I've been a guy that I've thrown a couple pencils May have made I threw I think a protractor once because it was in my binder like a protractor Yeah, man. I haven't used one of those since high school or was it the compass? I think it was one of those calculators

What is a TI 84 84 calculate 83 calculator man? Yeah, how do I remember that those calculators were great? I love calculators Well, what that's gonna be because I have a calculator right here. I got a TI 83 right here PI is 3.1 for my that's TI 83 there's like a million that go after it. Yeah, I know but those are the first three. Okay. Those are the first three numbers Alright, that's that is That that's a great skill. What a positive guy. Jalen Walker, tent overall pick potentially. Tara Toa McMillan.

This is my guy, University of Arizona. So let me talk about it. Let's hear it. OK, what about this guy? Two thousand twenty four Polynesian player of the year. Let's go, Paulie's. We love Paul. We love Paul. He's I respect all Paulies. I respect her to their traditions in life as well, and I respect their strength I never actually wanted to ever line my hand up versus Polynesian because they don't

Necessarily have that weight room strength. They just have that farm strength. They're hard to move and Like it's like hitting a brick wall every time I go versus Polynesian. It hurts man. It hurts They're they're special with their with their strength and I I appreciate that And like, it's like hitting a brick wall every time I go over as a Polynesian. It hurts, man. It hurts. They're special with their strength, and I appreciate that. But he's a native Hawaiian descent, joined winners, like, you know, the, I can't say the last name. Tuatanga Vaialoa?

Yeah, yeah. Those brothers. Mariotta and Zach Wilson. Zach Wilson's Hawaiian? No, he's not Hawaiian. Come on, he's not Polynesian. Zach Wilson, Capone? And, kind of tight.

McMillan's, I love McMillan's mantra. His mantra, actually. What's his mantra? His mantra is Nalo. Negative attitudes lose opportunities. What? And if you're an undrafted free agent rookie, if you got a negative attitude,

I'm telling you, you're not going to get that opportunity. Yeah. So I like that. Let's go. Let's go. University of Arizona as well. Broke all the receiving records there. And what's really cool about him is that I tailgated with his family, man, and their family, traditional Polynesian family. They had some pig. Yeah, they had a whole tailgate going. They got a pig. All the food that you needed. Now I don't recall pig being there, Jules.

Dude. Besides myself, yeah, I'm a pig. Dude. Great family as well. Just loved everything about them. Oh, Polynesians are the best. When I was a kid, we had a lot of Polynesians in Roadwood City our snack shack

The Samoan and Tongan Fathers would all be in the back of the snack shack Roasting a fucking pig and you would get pig plates where you get a piece you get two pieces of pig And we'd be the little kids going and trying to grab the skin because it was extra salty and they'd give us the skin and get out of here, get out of here. But you get pig, you get macaroni salad and rice and that was like three bucks or something.

That was like the special at our snack shack. We had a hell of a snack shack at Redwood City. All right, Calvin. I kind of want to try the snack shack out. Redwood City, baby., Kelvin Banks. I kind of want to try this Snack Shack out. Redwood City, baby. Yeah, come and bring me. The nachos, Redwood City nachos. I want to be a guest, bring me as your guest, Jules.

All right. We got another guy, who we got now, Jules? Kelvin Banks Jr. Tackle out of Texas, projected late first rounder. Okay. Started an IG series to set out to find the best barbecue in Austin Okay, he's we got a little influencer in there. I can see how

You know, yeah, I appreciate him and I truly want to know I'm actually gonna go check out his page To learn about the best barbecue in Austin, even though I don't really go to Austin that much but Danny Amandola Danny dancing Prancing Amandola can now actually use this guy's tips of defining the best barbecue in Austin, because that's where Danny's from. But every time I go to Dallas and visit my brothers, I tell them to order barbecue because they have the best barbecue in Texas. What's it called? You know, the short rib and then brisket, the brisket,

but then there's burnt brisket. Burn ends. Burn ends, that's what it is. Burn ends and burnt ends takes barbecues to a whole nother level. And every time I show up to his house in Dallas, I say, hey bro, order that barbecue and make sure you get those burnt ends

and all the barbecue sauces that come with it. So I appreciate this guy. I appreciate him big time. All right. And then lastly, Harold Fanon Jr. Titan out of Bowling Green, Mac Daddy himself, cites LeBron James as his biggest influence. He got his childhood bike from LeBron James when LeBron James did a community bike drive in Akron. This has also inspired Harold to want to do the same thing when he goes pro. It's just you know shout out to LeBron first off

for helping a kid out to reach his goals I mean and inspiring him in a positive direction as well. That's wonderful to see. That's cool. One guy helping another, helping your community. And what's up with these Bowling Green guys? I have a friend, Scotty Miller, wide receiver for the Pittsburgh Steelers right now.

Matt Daddy. And he is the biggest LeBron James fan as well. He went to Bowling Green. Ohio kids probably, that's why. Yeah to Bowling Green. I had kids probably. That's why. That's right. These Ohio kids. You're right.

I mean, how can you not love LeBron James, especially if you're from Ohio? I mean, makes sense. It does. And that was the chillest dude of the week. Thanks to our favorite beer Coors Light, get Coors delivered straight to your door.

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