Games with Names - Dudes on The AFC North

Episode Date: December 5, 2024

On today's episode we're talking dudes from the AFC North in honor of the debut of in-season Hard Knocks. Our first dude is a ball hawk with luscious locks. Next, we're talking about a cool guy that's one of the best young QBs in the game. Our third dude is a Baltimore legend that lived rent free in Tom Brady's head. Lastly, we're getting on a nine-time Pro Bowler turned leading man.Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hi, I'm David Boren. And I am his dear friend Langston Kerman. And we host My Mama Told Me, a podcast about black conspiracy theories. We just did a spectacular live show with some of your favorite comedians on the planet. David, tell them who was there. We had the Kid Mero, Marie Faustin,

and we had Jaboukie Young White. Some of your favorite comedians playing some of the most offensive and groundbreaking games. So listen to my mama told me on I Heart Radio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast. I have to share a quick story real quick just for the and we were talking on the show, but this is just warming up. Rob is so nice. We have Ralphie and Rocky together, right guys. They're they're fucking wild

They're running around they're all high each other best friends there, but they're hyped and I'm over here. I'm like rocky place Because they were they're around we were trying to settle them down and Rob goes Ralphie and he's raw and little Ralphie's this little little Frenchie Rob's seven feet tall. He's, Ralphie. And little Ralphie's just a little Frenchie. Rob's seven feet tall. He's like, Ralphie. Wait a minute, Jules, wait a minute. Ralphie. He's like, wait up, I got a mean voice in there.

Ralphie. I was laughing because Rob didn't have a mean enough voice to reprimand the dog. That's how nice Rob is. He was sitting there thinking, how do I make a mean voice but you like the dogs know the tone the dogs know tone if I can get that tone I finally I get Ralphie under the wraps and he listens to me big time if I don't have that tone he just looks at me and laughs

and just keeps going and doing what he's doing and doesn't care what any consequences at all in back of his mind no but it was funny to me that you, that's how great of a person, you can't even get a mean tone. Thank you, Jules, thank you. Can't get a mean tone, which is complete opposite of the episode that we're gonna do today. Welcome to Dudes on Dudes, I'm Julian Edelman.

I'm Rob Grantowski. And this show is where your favorite dudes get to talk about their favorite dudes. And on today's episode, we have a very AFC North type of episode. All you Hard Knocks fans, gear up because this is the first time that's going down where they have all four teams in the division in season. Gronk, what do we get into? Top guys. Having hair like that, like does that make you look stronger, faster, and bigger? It makes you look meaner.

And we get into... These are the kind of quarterbacks you want... That you dream of. Yeah, because he's gonna sit in that pocket, he's gonna deliver the ball. And also we get into when I'm glad that his heyday was before my heyday, because I probably wouldn't have had a heyday then. Like I know we toss around the word legend. Just unbelievable what he has done, and to have that courage to go out there

and represent your community. You gotta tip your hat off. How easy is important for humanity? Really good. You gotta stick around to the end. This is a fun episode. AFC North, tough division. Let's see what it's about.

Let's go. Dudes on Dudes is a production of iHeartRadio. Gronk, what's eight times four? 32. Just making sure. Just making sure. On today's episode, we're going to talk about the AFC North because HBO is releasing this in-season hard knocks about the whole AFC North, which I'm pretty excited about. What are your first thoughts when you think of the AFC North, Rob? A tough division, one of the toughest divisions in all of football. I mean, you got the Pittsburgh Steelers, you got the Steel Curtain defense, you got the Baltimore Ravens, which have one of the

well-known defenses of our generation. Yeah, of our generation that they're tough, hard nose, they take absolutely no garbage, and they're there to make plays, and also they're there to light you up if they have a chance out on the field. So you got to always have your heads up or else they might take your head off. Without a doubt. You know, it's just it's straight toughness. You could throw Cincinnati in there too.

And we played them a bunch. It was always a tough game. Cleveland as well. I mean, Cleveland was always tough. And that's why they're they're known as the dog pound. The dog pound. In Cleveland at their home stadium. And it really was.

I mean, we lost to Cleveland. What my rookie year? I know. And they didn't have a good team, but they had a tough SOB running back and they did pay in hell as Peyton. He represented that division like like no other in the AFC north. I mean, he just he was running fools over that running, jumping. Any time we play Baltimore is always super tough. The Steelers fucking tough.

Always. I mean, we always won those games. We won a lot of those games, but it was never easy. It was never easy. And Coach always just stated to us, always repeated himself that it's going to take all four quarters to beat these guys. And you got to be a tough football player. You got to be mentally tough in order to win versus anyone in the AFC North. And the way to win is that you got to be mentally tough in order to win Versus anyone in the AFC North in the way to win is that you got to keep pushing you got to keep grinding and you

Got to be tougher than them when it comes down to it in the fourth quarter And you can't make the mistakes and let them make the mistake. Yeah without a doubt because there it was just tough football What do you what do you think about them having a hard knocks in season? So the hard knocks in season? I think it's really cool for fans and the way that this generation is set up now with social media, all these apps, and getting insight information on players and getting first looks at what's going on. I think it's great for the NFL. I think it's great for players to get their name out there. I think it's great for the teams in their city. Just everything's great about it. I

would say the only thing that's not great about it is if you're just a player and you're a low key player and there's plenty of those players in the NFL that just want to go in and do their business and don't care about the cameras, don't care about the pitchers, don't care about them getting the praise that, that they should be good. They just want to go in and do their job, get a paycheck, make sure they do their job right. And that's the only problem I have with it is that it just gets in the way sometimes.

It's just distraction. It can be. So you can't let it be a distraction. I feel like it's really not, you know, compared to like 10 years ago, it was more of a distraction because there's only one team doing it. Now everyone's doing it. So it's kind of the norm. And when it's the norm, it's a less of a distraction. When something's not a norm, it's way more of a distraction. So but still, like guys like you and I, we would kind of take that as a distraction. Like, get the f and cameras out of our face. We want to do what we want to do. You know, we'll be doing our speaking out on the football field.

I think it's fucking crazy. I think it's crazy that I would not want cameras in seeing how we're forming our team. I'm not going to speak for Bill, but I'm pretty sure he feels that, too. Like, there's no way you're getting cameras in there. I agree. Well, I'm talking about the business side of football. No, it is great. I'm talking on the business side. It's great. But you just said I would hate it. And it was awesome that coach Balachek never would allow Hard Knocks to come in our locker room.

It would drive all of us crazy. What are your favorite moments from Hard Knocks over the years since you've been watching since when? Probably, you know, since you were in high school. Yeah, you know, I I can remember the early ones back when like Tony Saragusa and the Ravens, the Brian Billick Ravens were on. That was like, I think the first one. And you had Shannon Sharp. And then I always used to love another AFC North.

I used I used to love Ocho Cinco when he would call say the kiss the baby shit. All right. You like remember him? Thank you. Thank you for higher knocks because of Ocho. Ocho Cinco was a dime, you know. A diamond. A dime, what am I saying? Dime a dozen? Dime a dozen. There we go, Jules. I don't know. I don't think that one works.

I think. What did we get? I thought it did, but he was a diamond then. He was a diamond. What about early one, Dola got cut. He got cut on Hard Knocks when he was with the Cowboys. He did. Thank you, the Hard Knocks. I love Hard Knocks now. We can always tease Dola. I know. Thank you. The Hard Knocks. I love Hard Knocks now.

We can always tease Dola. I know. What are your favorite Hard Knocks? I would say when I was in high school, the Cincinnati Bengals were on Hard Knocks and every single person in our high school watched Hard Knocks and it was kind of like a full circle moment.

I mean, I thought it was so cool. What was wild? Hard Knocks made it seem like the movies, like Friday Night Lights, the high school movies where you would watch it, and then you would turn to your buddy and you're like, bro, man, everyone's so fast, everyone's so big, I can't compete versus those people.

If I ever get to the NFL, there's no way. Look how good they look. Hard Knocks made it seem like space creatures were coming on planet Earth and playing in the NFL. And everyone's just so big. It was like slow motion football by the most elite athletes in like slow motion looks amazing. And that's all hard knocks. We slow the like the spiral down and the ball's perfect or like slow motion

getting off the ball and like hitting two guys hitting the sweats coming out. I guess just it's very it's like you said, it's like a movie. And then they would show the one guy in the weight room squatting 650 pounds and then the other guy benching 500 pounds. I mean, not everyone was like that, but they made it seem like everyone was like, then you're like, how am I going to play in the NFL? I ain't I ain't that strong and I'm never going to be that strong. But they just made it a movie to where it was just so real to watch. to play in the NFL. I ain't I ain't that strong and I'm never going to be that strong. But they just made it a movie to where it was just so real to watch. It was it was. What's the way word I'm looking for? Like very cinematic. You know, that's exactly. It was like a movie cement cinematic. Here we go. So the Cincinnati Bengals run. I love the show. Loved watching

it. Jonathan Hayes, their tight end coach, always stole the show. He always brought the juice. And obviously I paid attention to him more throughout the show because loved watching it. Jonathan Hayes, their tight end coach, always stole the show. He always brought the juice. And obviously I paid attention to him more throughout the show because I was a tight end and I wanted to play in the NFL. So full circle moment. I'm at the University of Arizona. I went to the combine, but I didn't really participate because I had back surgery. So I had my pro day. So all the teams came out for my pro day. And who shows up to put me through all the drills one on one coach Jonathan Hayes of the Cincinnati Bengals. So I thought it was one of the coolest moments that the coach that I was watching at hard knocks with all my buddies in high school.

And that's when all the shows are the coolest, like entourage, fricking hard knocks is when you're in high school, you know? So I'm thinking like, I'm one of the coolest guys ever at my pro day because of this situation. He put me through a hell of a workout too, man. I almost did you kill it? I killed it. I had a wonderful pro day. Did you tell him you saw him?

Well, no, I didn't. I didn't. Yeah, he ended up passing on me. He goes into the past on me. So they got the story. The way that and not a happy ending, but it truly was a happy ending because I, I got passed on. I went to the new England Patriots. Maybe the best thing that ever happened to me, baby. Let's go. So let's go to AFC North jewels. Who do we got? Enough talking about hiring Knox and us watching it when we were in high school.

We never were on it because we didn't care about hot marks. We cared about taking care of our business out on the field. And that was going to speak for us. That was our talking. And that was the product that we had was put the work in and show it on Sundays. It was actually because Coach Balachek said no to hiring. One hundred percent or else we would have probably loved to be on it. We love it. Would be fun.

No. All right. Nice laugh. All right. Who do we got? AFC North. They're powerhouses. First guy we're going. Tough, tough division, tough defenses, and we just owned them all because we're tough players.

No, we didn't own them. We battled them though. It was war. For the Steelers, we're going to go with Troy Palumalu, greatest hair. Troy Palumalu. Oh, my Tasmanian devil. What is what is I got to say? Start the clock on Troy Palo Malu.

Troy Palo Malu, a 510, 200 pound safety, spent his entire NFL career with the Pittsburgh Steelers after being drafted 16th overall in the 2003 NFL draft. I was born in 1989, so I was 14 years old when he was drafted into the NFL. That's just a fun fact out there. So you were probably at 16, 17. Yeah. He was known for his explosive style, nose for the ball, uncanny instincts and trademark flowing hair. He finished his career with 32 interceptions, 783 tackles, and three defensive touchdowns. He was an eight-time Pro Bowler, two-time Super Bowl champion, and won the NFL Defensive Player of the Year in 2010.

Wow. That was my rookie season. Yeah, second series. Solidifying his status as one of the most versatile and disruptive safeties in the game. He was named to the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 2020. Well, let me tell you this, Jules. Here's a little another fun fact. In 2010, when he was all pro safety and I was a rookie, I scored three touchdowns versus that defense. I scored three touchdowns versus an all pro safety baby that year in 2000. No, NFL Defensive Player of the Year

in 2010. It necessarily wasn't on him. He wasn't covering me, but still he was still on the defense side of the ball. And I forgot he was the defensive player of the year too, in 2010. Maniac. Love him. The Tasmanian devil. He really is. I mean, I grew up in the Bay Area, so there was a lot of Polynesian people in my communities. Like my high school football team was like probably 60% Polynesian people in my communities like my high school football team was like probably

60% Polynesian either Samoan or Tongan or Hawaiian anytime there was a like a like a Polynesian football player that was a stud in our in our circles They were like gods like it was when I was real young It was Junior say out and then it became Troy Paul O'Malla who like, he was like the God of all gods for all these dudes that like he was just a fucking maniac on the field. He was like the nicest dude.

He used to hit guys and do little prayers afterwards because he was so nice sold. I just remember always loving this guy because of all the pollies in my neighborhood. Did he ever hit you and then like just kind of like prayed over you, Julian? Has that happened? You know, I remember I had to block him a couple of times and I did catch like a ghost route on him once, but then he like he leveraged me out of bounds.

He never blew me up or anything. He was one of those once again in that like KM Chancellor category where he's like a polite competitor. He never really talked shit. He was he was kind of all about his business. And like that's how I felt when I played against. Those are the guys you don't want to take off either. Never. I mean, they're they're already so good and so fierce playing on the field,

but they're also so nice. So imagine you just take them off. You you bring them to that next level where they're not nice anymore. Imagine just their ample amplifying this. There's an amplifying this. Yes, amplifying this. There we go, baby. Just imagine how much more that would be, how much more those hits would hurt if you take them off.

What I love the bottom, he was a ball hog, bro, out on the field. He was always around the ball, no matter what the situation was. He was a deep safety. And let me tell you, he was in the backfield more than he was back in his own backfield on the deep side of the ball. Making sacks, making tackles for losses. And what I really loved about him too, just knew how to jump the snap. Yeah.

Better than anyone. He time snaps like there's like probably like five six plays of him jumping over the line of scrimmage on like a fourth and one and grabbing the the quarterback and Getting a head start for the QB sneak like he was just a guy that knew the football always around the football Blew up screens. He was played in the box always he was tough in the run game He was a great blitzer. I would say he's a top five top three blitzer of blitzing safety of all time. Never, you know, rarely missed a tackle. Do you think he could have played receiver because just the way that he was such a ball hawk in the, you know, the ball skills that he possessed?

Probably because he, you know, he would have been great slot. You know, he knows coverage and those guys, he's very instinctive with space in the field. He always made tough catches. It's different when the ball is coming to you. But you know, who are the other top blitzers you think Jamal Adams was a really good blitzer? Emma, you know, a more a more recent guy who recent he was vicious. He was strong. He was a bulldozer coming through the middle.

He tossed me out the club a few times. Yeah, I saw that. I was right there. Remember that? Yeah. I mean, but but you you you didn't back down, dude. And he was a young buck. You were hurting. I remember you were hurting, but you still gave it to him. He could come in. He had to take himself out the play. He would. He would. He himself. He would literally blow me up.

Like I go in to get the force and he would blow me up. We would run for 15 right by him. Like, you know what I mean? Well, that's what makes Troy Palomalu so great is that he would blow me up. We would run for 15 right by him. Like, you know what I mean? Well, that's what makes Troy Palomalu so great is that he would make those guesses and he would blow up the play. But he's also making the play.

Yeah, he's not missing. And if he does miss, he's forcing the play to go back inside or to go outside or wherever he needs it to go. So then his teammates can make the play because of what he did to force that play to go where it was going. Just a wizard with with the knowledge of the game.

Unbelievable, dude, in coverage. These safeties, especially in this division, AFC North, they were like fun football players to watch. When you watched Troy, Paul Amalu or like an Ed Reed or the, you know, these are the guys that we played against and that are from our generation. So we know these guys, but you could say that about like the Ronnie Lotz of the back days, the Atwells, the Lynch's.

When you always had great safety, like play, it was like fun guys to watch. Interceptions, big hits, you know, fumble recoveries. He just did it all. And he was like a heartbeat. A lot of those great defenses. Pittsburgh Steelers had. I went to high school actually my senior year in Pittsburgh.

I'm all pro or all state, whatever defense events. So I get invited to this, you know, Pittsburgh gala for off for a high school football athletes. And then who's there? Troy Palomalo, who's up on the stage. It's a dinner. Everyone's recognized. there? Troy Palomalo. Who's up on the stage. It's a dinner. Everyone's recognized. And then Troy Palomalo gives a speech, an unbelievable speech. What a guy.

What a guy about faith, about doing the right thing. All the good stuff gets a round of applause. Absolutely loved in Pittsburgh. This guy. I loved him. Who didn't love Troy Palomalo? Even when I was facing him, I loved him. I'm sitting there though.

I'm sitting there though, just like looking at the best safety in the game, one of the best safeties in the game. And I'm in high school and I'm sitting there. He's giving the speech round of applause. And I just literally want to go up to him and tell him, hey, I'm Rob Gronkowski, I'll be seeing you in a couple of years. You wanted to say I wanted to say that to him. How does hair look?

It was good. Looks exactly how it was every single day that he was playing. He always all the way to this day. Great hair. Unbelievable. So just full circle moment. It was just unbelievable. I said it to a couple of buddies. I'm going to face Troy Palomalo. And then four years later, I'm facing Troy Palomalo, man. So I just thought that was a cool moment. Just kind of put it in the perspective, kind of manifesting this guy who's a legend who's speaking to me when I was in high school that I'm going to go over some one day. And it happened. And it was really cool because then I did go over some. Can you ask me what happened on a play when I went first? What did you do? So what did you do in your rookie year when you played them? Oh, it was my it was well, I scored three touchdowns versus dealers my rookie year.

But it wasn't first Troy Palomalu. The play I'm talking about was my second year in the NFL. I did an in cut, caught the ball. Troy Palomalu went to tackle me. He jumped on my back and I brought him for a ride for five fricking yards. Troy Palomalu went for a ride. It was like the Tom Brady going for a ride when that touchdown. But Troy Palomalu trying to talk to me. I got an extra five, six yards and I'm still

waiting for him to, you know, give me that change for the ride, you know, when you put the quarter in. Yeah, a 10. The change where the horsey goes, giddyup, giddyup, giddyup, horsey. Like he was giddyup, giddyup, giddyup, horsey. I'm stuck, rock, he's back. I don't think he said anything. He played really hard. Maybe he is he. So he inspired you with that speech to manifest yourself to go while he was saying that speech. You're like, I'm going to go against him one day, hopefully. Now, hopefully I was going to go against him one day.

Wow. Jules, I know I know you're a guy about looks and, you know, scruffing up your beard and making sure you got the right gel to put your hair exactly where it needs to be placed. But what do you think about the greatest hair in the game? Troy Palomalus? I mean, he had the best hair. Anyone that was on the head and shoulders, he'd been on head and shoulders commercials for probably about 15 years. I swear.

I mean, him and Patrick Malone's in. But I got another question. Having hair like that, like Troy had hair. Does that make you look stronger, faster and bigger? It makes you look meaner. It does. It makes you look like a fucking warrior, bro. He I could just see him doing the goddamn hawk. Oh, when I see that hair coming off the back helmet

and talking about Polynesians as well. I'm a hawker. Is it just me? But are all Polynesians just strong as heck right out of the wound? Like they come out, like they don't even have to work out. Like they'll go up. They do work out. They do, but they don't even have to. And they'll just go up and they'll toss up 400 on the bench press. Like it's nothing. You can't move Polynesians, man. They're so strong and they're so, they got so much space to the ground. Yeah. Like they're attached, like their legs are in the ground it feels like when you try to block them.

Vida Vea, he was fucking just. Massive, 360 pounds, you can't move that guy. Oh my god. Massive. Yeah, no, they're just strong humans. When I had Laird Hamilton, when he talked about the Polynesians and stuff, he's Hawaiian and stuff, like they're just cool people.

They're very like traditioned and stuff about their traditions time toy Palomalo What kind of dude is Troy? Zia's died a freak dog whiz or dudes, dude Me he's he can hit a what are you doing? I mean, he's definitely a whiz I mean the knowledge of these also a dog in order to be in the backfield Basically half of the place and make the plays and be able to time up the snap count and be able to jump the snap count. I mean, you

got to know the game to another level and also to be able to have that coverage that he has the range in zone was just phenomenal. You got it. You got to be smart when. Yeah, I agree with you. He's definitely a whiz to me as well. The amount of screen plays that he blew up just instinctively reading the offense alignment, you know, like you watch his highlight film, he blew up so many screens, pick screens. He also had great zone coverages. Like you said, he just felt like he was everywhere on the field. And that's, that's like very innovative. And he's like just a wizard with how he was around man. I agree ready one two three whiz

stamp stamp whiz Alright, it's out there. It's in the mailbox There's a stamp like all over this piece of mail, but it's well known that he's a whiz okay ink stamp You can't get it off. It's like when it's on your skin. Yeah, you just under the shower I like when you go to the bar just washing it off like 50 times Yeah, you come home and that ink you're like, I don't want to show my mom I was out. Yeah. You're just under the sink for 10 minutes. And then you have red marks and she sees like,

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Who do we got? Joe Blarrow. Joe Blarrow. You gotta put him up. One of the greatest pocket passers in the game right now. 10 minutes. Joey B. Fucking cool. What does AI have to say about Joey B? What's AI say about Joe Burrow standing at 6'4 and weighing 250 pounds. 215. No, my bad. 215 pounds. Holy fuck. Was drafted number one overall in 2020. In just five seasons he's made his mark as one of

the league's premier young quarterbacks with three trips to the playoffs and a Superbowl appearance. Raised in Ohio, his college football journey took him from Ohio State to LSU where he won the Heisman Trophy and a national championship, having one of the greatest seasons in college football history. Actually, that's the first time I've ever heard about Joe Barra or seen him play or just learned anything about him was the national championship Game when he was at LSU and I literally was sitting there like this guy's Tom Brady of college football

And just the first game I've seen him play actually in the first half just watching him go But uh like back to this he's not only recognized as an emerging face in the league But also for charitable work throughout his home state of Ohio. Jules, what is the first thing you think of when you hear the name Joe Burrow? Joe Cool. First thing comes to mind, the kid's cool. I think we were all watching

those national championship year games and like the meal rooms before games with all our teammates. You know, remember watching those and like you'd watch these LSU teams. And yeah, they had a lot of great players, but he was just Dyson. The fools. I think he beat like every record you could beat passing throwing yards this that in college. So when he came in, it was like, who's this kid going to be like he had a

stand? He had he he played himself into some craziness like this guy who is this kid. Then he came and he played. He went to the Super Bowl, the Cincinnati Bengals, like two years into his career, which was crazy, like he just he's backed shit up. He's always been the guy and he's backed it up. I think he's just a calm, cool, collect guy, man. I love his game. I love watching him play climbs the pocket like as a receiver.

These are the kind of quarterbacks you want that you dream of. Yeah, because he's going to sit in that pocket. He's going to find you. He's going to deliver the ball. You know, I don't want guys that are running because you get the ball. I love the way he just slides up in that pocket every time. He's just got such great pocket presence. And that's why I love him so much when I watched him in the national championship game because that's what he was

showing and that's what Tom does as well. 100%. Tom's one of the best pocket passers in history, actually probably the best and that's what makes him the greatest quarterback of all time. It's not like he was running around. Yeah. Because he was such a great pocket presence and he would slide right up and he just kept delivering that ball right on the money. And he was he was reading the whole entire field and every guy was covered. But he stayed so cool within the national championship game. And then all of a sudden he just looked to his left and just dish it off to the running back. You get 10. Yeah.

And he would just always know who to go to find the guy that's open, never force the ball. And if he does force the ball, he's going to force it in a pocket to where only his receiver can get it and not the ball. If he does force the ball, he's going to force it in a pocket to where only his receiver can get it and not the defenders. And that's what makes this guy so great at the quarterback position. No ands, ifs or buss up, buts about it, Jules. I know he and that's like when, when you say pocket presence, when, when you watch a guy like who has good pocket presence, for example, Brady, It's when he can step up or slide to the right while he's keeping his eyes down the field to buy himself a half a second to deliver the football.

Like, it's not like it's rad athletic, but it's like a sixth sense where you know where to go to stay in the pocket. So the guy running the hump goes over you, you know, the pocket pressure, the guard comes this way. You step this way. You go to your left a little. And it's like a six cents.

And you see that with Joe Burrow. There are so many third downs where he steps up, knows where his last read is, finds that in cut, delivers a good ball. You know, I'm really sad about their team right now because they're really good. I feel like they're better than what they're doing, but he's a stud. And when you have a quarterback like that, I can step up in the pocket and stay in the pocket as well. You know, extend the time in the pocket because he just got great pocket presence. This is when you actually, as a receiver, you can not cut your routes short. No, you have to get all your

depth that you need to get. So you got a 12 yard in cut. you have to get all your depth that you need to get say You got a 12 yard in cut You have to get the 12 yards because it's all about timing with this guy and this timing goes from practice to a game Because when you have a pocket presence quarterback, it's not streetball. It's real football It's the hardest football to defend when you got a quarterback like this So get your depth in the in the receiving game if you're a wide receiver or a tight end and do all the little details That you need to do because that ball is gonna come eventually in the receiving game if you're a wide receiver or a tight end and do all the little details that you need to do because that ball is going to come eventually. You don't know when but it's going to come and if you're the fifth read always be ready for it because if all four reads are covered it's going to the fifth read every single time. Depth and spacing is only really important

on zone. Man coverage you can break your depth. Yeah man coverage you can. What do you think about when you hear he's a coach's son? What does that mean to you? Coach's son means like kind of like a coach's pet, but like I don't see that with Joey B. Yeah. Like that's kind of what he's coach's son. I would say that-

He's a son of a coach. Is he? Yeah, I think his dad's a big coach in Ohio. So it's literal, he's a coach's son. Yeah, he's literal. But you're talking about him being with the Bengals, like he's a coach's son. No, no, he him being with the Bengals, like he's a coach's son. No, no, he's literally a son of a coach.

All right, well then. So like in the scouting report, if he's a son of the coach, is that a good thing? Or is that a bad, that means he's smart, loves ball, round ball, grew up round ball? You know, it exists in the family, you know? It's a trait that's passed down. I mean, it's good to know that family members,

the tradition of football exists in the family. That means you got toughness. That means you got grit. If one family member in a decade and then there's another family member, that means that's a football family. And that's who you want on your team. There's no doubt about that.

Like if I have a kid, I mean, they hear Grok is, you know, mini Grok is on their team, but you want that. Same with Jules. Oh, we got little Julian Edelman coming. If you have a boy, but eventually a football team, maybe your daughter will be the first kicker. Maybe playing football. Never know.

Yeah, you never know. She plays soccer right now. So hopefully she is the first. But they're going to be like, we got an element on our team. This is amazing. Like, it's just passed down. Like it's just the tradition of just football now just passed down Get her flag ASAP. You ever meet Joe Joe cool. I have I we did it we did a nerf shoot together Shoot. Yeah, our Super Bowl week before he was about to get drafted There's him

McCaffrey Adams from from from the Jets at the time, the safety we talked about earlier. And we did this content. He was a cool kid. He just got a he's got a confidence look about him. He's just confident. You know, it's not cocky. It's just like we had him do a scene where he had to throw a football, like one of those little Nerf footballs. And that dude like threw it over the house and like walked off.

And it was just like, hey, that's pretty fucking cool. He's not even trying to be cool, but he is. He's just comes naturally. Just comes natural. You ever meet him? Yes. One time it was actually this year. So we got to go way back a little bit. Like when Malcolm Brown was drafted to the Patriots, like whatever how many years ago that was?

Yeah. What? Two thousand and fifteen. Our first round pick the tackle out of Texas. I got a text message that night, the night of the draft. It was like, hey, Rob, it's Malcolm Brown. Like pleasure to be on your team. I can't wait to get back to work in the football field, you know, and just an honor to be your teammate.

It was something along those lines. And I wrote back like, man, you know, great to have you out. And then eventually that night called the number and it was it was not Malcolm Brown who I got duped. It was just a random fan. And they do me to answer back and saying it was Malcolm Brown. So my phone number got passed around somehow some way. And I got duped like I got got as Marshawn Lynch would say on his back as I got got.

All right. I got duped like I got got as my Sean Lynch would say on his back as I got got all right I got got so now fast forward. I was like I ain't ever gonna let that shit happen to me ever again I ain't answering random numbers like if someone has my number. It's because I know they have my number or something that's my official rule from here on out after I retired with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers my second stint in the NFL They're like they were everyone's still trying to get me to play, you know, ask me questions in the media when I had to do some media rounds. Like, you know, who is the quarterback that you would love to play with?

You know, to this day and era like playing right now. And it can't be Brady. Obviously, I'm like, obviously, I'm not going to pick Brady. I'm like Joe Burrow, but because he reminds me of Brady and I just love the way that he presents himself in the pocket. Went everywhere, went everywhere. And I retired that year. And I get love the way that he presents himself in the pocket went everywhere, went everywhere. And I retired that year. And I get a text message.

Yo, Grant, what's up, man? I saw I saw you talking about me in the media. It's Joe Burrow. Like I would love for you if you came to the Cincinnati Bengals. I was like, I was like, I ain't getting what I'm like. I ain't getting God again. Like this is nuts. Like I ain't falling for this shit.

Like I ain't going to answer. I thought it was cool as shit. I was like, this would be cool as hell. If this is Joe Burrow trying to recruit me to go to the Bengals, but also at the same time, he's got to know I'm tapped out. He does not want me on that team, but he thinks he does because of my history. But when I'm tapped out and I know I'm not playing football anymore, he you don't want me to.

Yeah, yeah. So I'm going to tell you that just you know myself. Nah I mean you do what you do. I would have still been good You still would have been but even when you're covered you're not covered I'm at the white party this year shout out to Michael Rubin having the white party and I go up home I walk right by I'm like, oh, what up Joe, you know, nice to meet you It was the first time I've ever met him. And then, like within like 10 seconds, he's like, you know, you like something along the line, like, you know, you never responded to me.

And like I knew exactly what he was talking about. And I was like, no freaking way that that was actually you, bro. He's like, yeah, I texted you like after you said like that, you wanted to play with me in the media, I wanted you to come to Cincinnati. And I was like, bro, I never thought in a million years that was you, bro. I was like, I'm sorry. I apologize, man, because I love Joe Brown. Yeah. And because of Malcolm Brown text message, because someone got me.

So I was just at that time, I was like, bro, I'm sorry, bro. I love your game. And I was like, you don't want me. You didn't want me anyway. So it was a good I'm sorry, bro. I love your game. And I was like, you don't want me. You didn't want me anyway. So it was a good thing I didn't answer. I turned into that. So in that situation, just take a guess. Just go with your heart.

And if you truly believe who's texting you at that moment, you should have face time if you don't know the number time. What kind of dude is Joe Burrow? That's easy, man. I mean, obviously, he's he's kind of a dudes dude for sure He is a guy in the locker room. He is too cool. You see cool dudes do when you're too cool Now when you're too cool, he's got some dog, you know, he does he's got some ways in them

But I think he's just a stud. He is a stud 100% That's what I was going with I'm not even gonna argue with that the dog that I saw in him was after national championship game when he smoked that cigar and just sat there and like did those interviews or whatever and took a couple pictures with the cigar in his mouth. That was dog like for sure. But it's also he's steadily enough to do it. Like, you know, back and everything. He had a little Jerry. He's got the little he got the Superman curl. He's got the Superman look swoop. Hey, right out the frosted tips. I mean, are you jealous of his Superman hair look?

Hell, yeah. I think you are, Jules. Hell, yeah. You kind of got that going a little bit. No, but not to his level. No, he's like, I got this straight ass. Terrible where Joe Burrow, he's too cool. He's definitely stamp it. Stop.

Let's get on. And coach Belichick's favorite defensive player besides who's that guy from the New York Giants, Jules, that he loves as well. Lawrence Taylor, Lawrence Taylor always gets a hard on for Lawrence Taylor, but he had another full.

He got about like three quarter chop for Ed Reed. We used to call Ed Reed, Ed Reed Belichick. So let's see what AIS to. We used to call Ed Reed Ed Reed Belichick So let's see what AIS to say you come you couldn't blame coach Belichick No, because I read was was a baller. He was a ball Or athletic. All right start the clock at Reed standing at 5 foot 11 and weighing 205 pounds I'd replay safety for the Baltimore Ravens Houston Tex, Texans and New York jets. The jazz when he played for the late, late, late,

late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late He was known for his high football IQ, playmaking ability, and unmatched leadership. He was a game changer, finishing his career with 64 interceptions, 1,590 interception return yards, and seven defensive touchdowns. He was a nine time pro bowler, 2004 NFL defense player of the year, and is an all time NFL leader in interception return yards

I was gonna say that right when I heard that number as well as like that has a time record I remember no one must be close. He played his entire career with the Baltimore Ravens. Oh Wait, wait a second. Yeah. Yeah I you just said he played for three teams in the first sentence and now the last sentence He played his entire career with the Baltimore Ravens That ain't true. And help bring them their second Super Bowl victory with a win over the 49ers in Super Bowl 47. Now he played for three teams, Houston, Texas, and the New York

Jets, but he had his best career years, obviously, with the Baltimore Ravens. And then just finished off with the with the irrelevant years. Didn't matter. He's definitely a Baltimore Raven for life. Miami Hurricane football player for life, the U. I mean, he's known, he put the, he helped put the U on the map and also helped, you know, put that defense of the Baltimore Ravens on the map as well. This is why-

Ray Lewis was there. Yeah, Ray Lewis. I mean, that's why they were known as the toughest defense in the NFL, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed and what's his friend? Yeah. T. Sizzle. Drowse. Lodi nada. Oh, hello. De nada, man. That dude.

Oh, my gosh. He's like Vita Vaya, basically. 360 pounds, just massive blows up holes. You can't move them. But what's the first thing you think of about Ed Reed when you hear his name? Jules, first thing I think of is cover for Red Area, him blowing me up. I'm sorry. He blew me up in that. Remember when we played it first? So I'm sorry. I asked you this question.

All right. Yeah. Yeah, he did blow you up. Remember that? Yeah, we were playing there. He. Oh, oh, yeah. He lit me up. Oh, but you got right back up, though. I did. We ended up scoring you a tough SOB, Jules. But that night, you tough son of a gun. He was just the first thing like he was just everywhere.

Like, what's that one? There's that one thing. Two thirds of the earth is covered by water. The other third is covered by Ed Reed. Like that. That is what I think of when I think of Ed Reed. Got to compete against him from a very young age at my rookie year and that's when we were going, they were coming and beating us in Foxborough. We were battling them in the AFC championship.

You remember those early years that we battled them? That was like our Denver in the back of our career where we were going playing the toughest, you know what I mean? It just was always a battle and Ed Reid was just a very unpredictable dude to try to get a beat on. He baited QBs in the mistakes all the time. All the time. All the time. You ever meet him? I never met Ed Reid. No, never have man. And it was good because I really never met him on the field either Which is a good thing. I played my rookie year, but I really didn't play that much versus Baltimore Ray is my rookie year probably like 20 30 plays I never really had a chance to match up with him and then he was kind of on to the next teams like Those those irrelevant years on those teams of of just not really playing for some But I just remember him in the heyday, though, which was good.

I'm glad that his heyday was before my heyday, because I probably wouldn't have had a heyday then. If there's had Reed still in his heyday when I was there. But just what I really loved about him was just his range. I mean, yes, he was a guesser and he baited quarterbacks in the mistakes. But also he baited him in in the mistakes, but also he baited him in the mistakes and then have that range to cover that mistake that the quarterback is making.

Yeah. He would get you to throw that deep ball and act like he was out of coverage, but he was so fast and athletic. He would go and get that deep ball and make that interception. Do I know how good Ed Reed was? Tell him Jules, how good he was. What did Tom have to do in the playoffs

in 2011 in the AFC Championship game? What did he have to do because Ed Reed was just that guy? I remember he used to have to put in his on his uh wristband because you know for extended plays sometimes if you had to check with me you'd have

a lengthy verbiage thing so we put it on there on there. I bet you he had the reminder that said, find number 20 because he was just that big of a focal point of that defense. He was, you know what I mean? That's how much. It wasn't just find number 20. It was find number 20 on every play. Every locate them and throw the ball the other way. It didn't say throw the ball the other way, but you got to find them. Yep. You got to find them. You got to know where he is. You got to base the playoff of him. You got to alert it. You got to alert alert alert. When Tom's doing that, that means he doesn't like where 20 is. Exactly. Mm hmm.

Without a doubt. And I remember plays where Tom used to talk about, you know, he'd watch Ed Reed and Ed Reed would be on the ground. And he's got like the deep third and he'd be on the ground in the box lying on the ground like a goddamn lion and then get up and sprint back there and go pick a ball like that's kind of instinct that he had. But what I loved about Ray also, because early on my career, I was I was a return, I was a special teamer. And whenever we played against the Baltimore Ravens on all units,

he was a fucking problem on our punt return unit or a punt team. He had the up and under on the field goal block. He had the up and under like he used to block kicks, scoop scores. He returned kicks for touchdowns. He just was an all around fucking unbelievable football player that young football players need to watch

and not try to emulate because not everyone can be Ed Reed. Not everyone can do that, but like understand that like this dude's like a freak. Who would you say is the better safety between the two ultimate safeties in the AFC North? Troy Palamalu or Ed Reed? That's so hard. They're different players. I think of Ed as more of a deep safety, like a free. I think of Palamalu more of a like a strong safety. So I think they're different, both just electric football players

that you want to play with. Like, I would love to get to play with them because the amount of practice against them that you would get like it would make you a better football player. Sure would. Iron sharpens. What do you think? It depends on the scheme. It depends on the defensive coach, what their mindset is. Like you said, if you have a scheme where the safeties, you know, are blitzing more and making more plays in the backfield and acting more of like a linebacker, you got to go with Troy Palamalu. But if you

have a scheme where it's more about coverage, you got to go with Ed Reed. No doubt about it. I mean, this guy could cover any part of the field at any given time. Even if he's on one side, if he has one half of the field, he can go to the other half and give help to the safety once the ball is released. So fast and just so quick. And what's so great about him, too, is just his ball skills, man. He would like tip that ball to him like all the time for an interception, like he had wide receiver skills post interception.

He'd be throw he'd throw the ball back they always you always had to be alert for a lateral or remember he stole the ball from his teammate to pick it when he was about to fall down out of players who didn't play for coach Belichick who do you think's on the mountain rush more of guys that he loves because I for sure Ed Reed would be obviously Lawrence Taylor. We talked about that. He played for him but that we didn't play with. All right. That we didn't play with. What do you mean? We didn't he like that coach that that didn't coach. Yeah maybe that. So because he coached Lawrence Taylor. He coached Lawrence Taylor. So Lawrence Taylor is out of the business. But he's still on there. He's still on there. He's still on there because he loves Lawrence Taylor. All right.

Ed Reed. I would say Ed Reed is might might be number one then the guy that coach Balachek never coached never coached dreamed of coaching. Yeah. Sorry, Devin McCrory. Yeah. Well, we got you back. You want to rate dudes on dudes Go to Balachek, love that read. Got him. What? What? Who else would be on there? Who else did he love? Probably like a punter. Oh, I mean, well, he coached Cam Newen.

He loved Cam Newen. Always talk about Cam Newen. You got to contain him in the pocket. But then he coached Cam Newen. So that one doesn't really count. But it was him. Love Peyton Manning. No doubt about it. Love another guy. A legend played way back in the day.

Jim Brown. Look, Bill, Bill Love, Jim Brown. He whenever that is, that is such a good pool. Because any time there'd be just guys slap, we'd be slapdicking in the locker room and Billy be coming over this little fucking towel. You know, you go to the treadmill, this binder in his town. You go in to watch some film on the tread and guys be arguing about shit.

You know, Bill sometimes would say something. He'd be like, hey, you know what I mean? And I remember someone's guys were arguing about top top running backs of all time. Oh, it's this guy. It's this guy. And I think he just said, Jim Brown? You guys don't know, fuck it. Jim Brown's the best football player. Like he loves Jim Brown.

Loves him. Loves Jim Brown. All right, what about Ed Reed's college days? He was the guy at VU. Like he exemplified what VU was all about. Tough, hard-nosed football players that gave no damn. No damn out there out on the field. Gave it their all and this just represents him in just one play. What do you got Jules about that? I mean Miami versus Boston

College 2001. Miami was up 12-7 late in the game and Boston College was in the red zone. Do you remember this play? Yeah. One of the most famous college football players of all time. He got deflected into what? One of his defense alignment? Yeah. Ed Reed strips the ball from him and takes it 80 yards to the house. Yeah.

He's dangerous. And they ended up winning 18 to 7. Flashy. Like, they're defense. Like, just fun, flash. Playmaker. Yeah, we'll put it in context. He's also like a speech giver.

You know, you look at this one speech, I'm going to say it in there. They're up 21 to 3 at halftime. the this shit. Let's go, man. And what happened? They go out and blow him out. Forty nine to twenty seven. And then what what happened at the end of the year? Miami didn't lose the rest of the season. They won the national championship. BCS national championship. That is 2001. The U was to you who didn't love you. He's on the Mount Rushmore. You guys, too, isn't he? He's on your percent is Ray Lewis. Mm hmm. I mean, what what offensive guys? Michael Irving. Gore's there. Shockey. There's a couple? What offensive guys? Michael Irving. Gore is there. Shockey.

There's a couple. There's a bunch of tight end. What about Andre Johnson? Andre Johnson. Oh, Reggie Wayne, Warren Sapp. Oh, man. This goes on. That I want to hear what people think. Who's on that? Oh, that's big. V. How can you forget about Big V? Dude, Greg Olsen.

I mean, the you got a lot of players when we were kids, man. But you know what? I love the you do. I got an offer from the you to go play tight end there. Yeah, I wasn't going to go there. It was at the very end. And I just thought like I was complete because I got the offer from you. Like it just made me satisfied.

Like, yeah, I could play at the you, but I'm not going there. But I could play. I got the offer. I was, you know, very happy that you when I could play at the U, but I'm not going there, but I could play there, I got the offer, I was very happy that it happened. The U, when I was, you know when you're in eighth grade and you do that thing where you write a letter to yourself and then your teacher saves it and then sends it to you and you're a senior in high school? Mine's went along the lines of something like this,

like, it's good to see that you're probably gonna be signing your commitment letter to University of Miami. I hope you enjoy the sunshine. I wanted to go to the U so bad I wrote to myself in eighth grade till fucking myself in the future. And little did I know I was ending up at Juco and. Yeah, didn't didn't go to the U and then Kent.

It was kind of it was close to this because there's Miami. There's Miami, Ohio. That was in your conference. Yeah, it was close to this because there's Miami It was close enough there was close you would have ended up at Kent it was like that letter I can't do the you but we can do the Kent which is kind of near Miami, but the Miami, Ohio Yeah, yeah, so it was Never got the offer to go to Kent man, and then would still be in junior college right now to this day. You made it fast to go beat fucking, beat a, you, you manifest to play against Joey Paulamalu. I've manifested to play against Miami of Ohio, baby. Miami, Ohio, great school. My friend went there.

Such a, it was cool. And I visited him twice. And let me tell you, we had a good time. And my jersey is up on the wall and it got stolen. It was right next to Big Ben's jersey. Forgot the place we went to. Oh man. Miami, Ohio is cool. I never went there.

Where's the bar we went to? It was supposed to be a fun school. Oh, it's driving me crazy. Sean McVeigh went to that. Loved it, loved it. I played against Sean McVeigh when he went to Miami, Ohio. He's that young? Yeah, he's my age.

Were you that old? I'm that old. No, no, he's that young. He's both. Cause he's a head coach. I know, but he was a head coach 10 years ago. I think he got into his damn near 20s. What position did he play?

He was a receiver slot. He had a catch against us. Yeah, just one though. I don't really remember him. I was trying to get you. But I'll tell you right now, I guarantee you he remember me. That's what we're talking about.

All right. I love you, big man. I love you. Time. What kind of dude is Ed Reed? Oh, man. Ed Reed. I mean, definitely a wizard because you got to know the game of football,

especially on the defense side of the ball in order to bait your quarterback in the throwing the ball so you can go make an interception. But he's absolute dog, too, when he made the interception, brought it to the house, stripping his lineman in college so he can go for an 80 hour touchdown returning as well as the most electric returns and most yardage return in the NFL. His block is a player block when you're a kick. When you're the superstar on defense and you're still playing in the kicking game.

That's fucking dog. That's when you know you're a legend. That's a dog. That's when you know you're a football player as well. Mental toughness, always motivated. You knew you knew you're a legend. That's a dog. That's when you know you're a football player as well. Mental toughness, always motivated. You knew Ed Reed was motivated. Heart and soul of the you. Well, I mean, there's so many hearts and souls. Yeah, yeah, there was. So many hearts.

But one of them. One of the heart and souls of the you. One of the heart and souls. So dog? Dog. Dog. Stamp it? Stamp it.

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Like I know we toss around the word legend, but that's what I think about when you think of Jim Brown. There's like so many facets of everything in life, just life that Jim Brown has done great things in. Full of anthropie, supporting his community, in the movie business, on the football field, retired on his own terms, was a great out, like an outstanding man off the field that like mentored a lot of our guys,

a lot of football players, that Cleveland Summit pitcher, which is a huge thing for not just our, not just sports, but for our country to see some of the elite men in sports that everyone loves, the community binder, the sports are to see these guys step out for their community in that Cleveland summit him, Jim Brown, Kareema, Jule Jabbar, Bill Russell, Muhammad Ali. Like these guys were the pinnacle of pinnacle of the athletes support their community and have, you know, be proud of what they were and what they stand for. Like that takes a lot of balls. Really does. That's what Jim

Brown was. And that's why I love athletics so much, because it doesn't matter about your race, your background, where you came from. You know, everything's fair in the athletic world and you get a platform as well. And just the way that they use their platform, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Jim Brown, Muhammad Ali, to expand their community and that everyone's treated equal. And that's just how it should be 100%. I mean, back in the day,

we didn't really live in that era. I mean, I couldn't even imagine it like being like that. Like, just unbelievable what he has done and to have that, you know, like you said, to have that courage to go out there and represent your community. You got to tip your hat off always. And he's one of the, you know, main founders of doing that along with many other players, baseball players like Jackie Robinson and those guys. I mean, hats off to them for their their courage. But he's he's one.

He's one of the football guys for us. That was a pillar in trying to make things better. When I think of him also, Bill also loved him because he was a lax guy. I mean, he was a four sport athlete. I mean, and to be a lax guy, you know, back in the day like that. I mean, he was played as a youth. I mean, he could. What was day like that. I mean, he was played at Syracuse. I mean, he could. What was his four sports he played and he played all four at Syracuse, too,

which is absurd. Cross football, basketball and track. How do you do that? How do you play four sports in college? Like how Jim Brown did? That's how I bet he played lacrosse like like like kind of like a football player. Like, you know, you know, when a football player is playing basketball, though, they could still be the best basketball player in the court.

But you could tell they're a football player. It was like myself. Jim Brown was the best lacrosse player in the world. But I bet you he was like playing like a football player, though, like when he was getting that lacrosse stick, he was probably carrying it like a football a little bit, like right into his chest and just kind of like stiff, I mean, guys away from him and just running down the field and then shooting it and scoring. I feel like that's how we play. I mean, whatever. I bet you he was just

unstoppable. I mean, he shot a 77 on his fifth time ever playing golf. A 77. That's two. What is that five over par? Like that's that's when you know, you're fucking you're just touched by God. And you know, like a lot of people wanna say because of the generation he played this, that. 6'3", 232 nowadays, if he was in the generation of the science, the supplements, the information, the training, the sleep, the diet, if he was in that nowadays, you think he'd still be 232? This dude was doing that off of fucking milksh, milkshakes, tubs, all of it.

These guys were doing it off of just like they had another job in the off season. So being 232 pounds back in the day. Running for four. I got running a four for. I mean, he was bigger than some defensive tackles. I would I feel like I mean, they were only like 240, 250. It's a clever to him being like 290 pounds right now. Just all muscle just playing, you know, in the backfield.

I feel like the ball he'd be like Derek, Derek Henry. Mm hmm. And he just ran away from everyone. He was bigger than everyone on the field at that time. Bigger and faster and stronger. And that's just the base that he had. Everyone just bounced off him. He didn't miss a play, Rob, in his eight year career. Could you imagine I'm missing a play? And this is back when, you know, these guys, they didn't have.

But Madison wasn't the same. They didn't have great cleats. They didn't have any equipment. The rehab was totally different. You just went out there and cigarettes on the sidelines, drinking fricking a shot at halftime. 100 percent. And then also like one of the first black action heroes.

I used to love Dirty Dozen. I loved him in The Running Man. I used to love that movie. And the guy lives right down down the street for me, the guy who produced it. I got a shout out to him. See him walking all the time. He's always talking. I'm making the running man. I'm remaking the running man.

I'm like, awesome, man. What's up? Well, what my favorite thing about I've never seen the running man. I got to see it now. So I love it and hang out with the director as well and feel cool. Now, he's not director, producer or the producer. I mean, kind of the same thing back in the day. But he posed for Playgirl like that was my dream. Like there was always Playboy and I actually never knew

play play girl. You say your dream was to pose for play girl. It was. OK, Jules, because here's a fun fact. I didn't know play girl existed until I was just looking up some notes on Jim Brown and I was like, he he posed for play girl. Like I always said it growing up. You got to call my mom and ask her like, what are you going to do? I'm like, I'm opposed for play girl.

I never knew play girl actually existed. I always was like, I want to for play girl. I never knew play girl actually existed. I always was like, I'm going to start play girl, but it existed. And I didn't know that until I just read these facts about Jim Brown a couple of days ago when I just looked them up and he literally posed and he posed with his piece hanging out as well. Bare Knuckle Barry. Like imagine. Oh, my God. Bare Knuckle Barry. Imagine doing that.

All right. We have a full grown on Bush too while posing. I mean, it was back in that era. 70s. Oh my gosh. You know, Eric Dickerson did Playgirl. Would you pose for Playgirl? Because Slate used to talk about Eric Dickerson. He's like, Eric Dickerson was on Playgirl, Joker.

It's so bad. Would you have posed for Playgirl? Like say say 10 years ago, your young 20s. I don't even think Playgirl is around. I mean, it was around. I did. We did body issues. It's kind of the same thing. Yeah. I know. Different, though, because this wasn't like we're just sitting at the pool table

with our dings egging out. We were doing like jokingly stuff. Playboy and Playgirl were notoriously known more of like. I actually knew about being a sex symbol if you're in it. I remember being at one of my friend's house when we were like 13. He's like, look at this. Look what I found in my mom's room. I was like, oh, my God, what is that? It was a playgirl. Wait, the mom had a playgirl. You just told that story.

Oh, it wasn't your mom. It was your friend. No, it wasn't. Yeah. My friend's mom. And I heard mom just quick. I was like, Jules, you're saying that about your mom. That. Oh, all right.

Who's your friend though? You can definitely say your friend's name, dude. Is there any movie roles that you'd quit football for? Well, why did he quit football for? Yeah. For dirty doesn't. Yeah. They threatened the final.

And that's why you were training camp. And instead he's like, I'm going to retire. That's a dog. I mean, he is a dog, but he was probably making more doing movies and playing football at that time. 100 percent. Yeah. And he didn't and didn't hurt. This kind of was a play. So, you know, he was hurting

and he had the dong for movies, too. That's why you're showing it off. He was just setting up his career for after football, too. Hey, you remember speaking of movies, remember when we did the movie? We did entourage. Yeah, that was so fun. You know, I was a method actor for that movie. Like the role I was supposed to play is, you know, be beat up, beat up ground. Yeah, I actually just had my knee surgery, so I was already beat up.

But we put a cast on me, too. Yeah, I remember like my arm was broken. And also we were at a party. So it was like me being hammered. And I was actually beat up, but we put a cast on me to. Yeah, I remember. Like my arm was broken. And also we were at a party. So it was like me being hammered. And I was actually hammered for the role. Oh, my God. So I'm a hammer hammer hammer. But I was I was feeling good. Jules, I don't think we're allowed to say that we were able to do that on set.

But now you can because it was 10 years ago. Was it 10 years ago? Yeah. Mm hmm. Remember, I gave you a beer bong. You did. That was a real beer bong. That was a real beer bong. It was. Yeah, it was method acting. I love that show.

That's kind of like Hard Knocks. We were talking about Entourage and Hard Knocks in high school was my glory days of watching television shows. It was those two and those two only. And I just lived up to want to be like that. I wanted to be like that football player in Hard Knocks. I wanted to be like the guys and on to. Yeah.

So thank you for those two shows for giving me that motivation to be that guy. There we are. Jules, you're giving me the beer bomb. It was a real beer bong as well. That was so we should quit. We should quit football like Jim Brown. And we actually know how we should have. We didn't win. We didn't win a Super Bowl. Yes. No have. We didn't win.

We didn't win a Super Bowl. You know, chance. Remember, we weren't Super Bowl. Now we weren't Super Bowl champs. But we were awesome, ma'am. We were freaking awesome jewels time. What kind of dude is Jim Brown? They say he I'm not joking.

But when you look him up in the lacrosse community, they don't look at him as a football player that played lacrosse. He's like a lacrosse guy. He's in the National Lacrosse Hall of Fame on everyone's top five list of all time football player. This guy is just he's got the pedigree of everything. What's that make him actor pivotal person in his community? Not in just his community, but in all communities like he transcends

community. That's how that's how big of a person and a guy he was. And he's just, I think he's just flat out stud. What do you think? I wouldn't say freak besides that, you know, that pose in the play girl. That's where he was a freak, but we're talking about his athletic ability.

He was definitely a freak. He was the fastest, biggest guy in the field. No, yeah. But it wasn't intriguing to be like a true freak, like looking like a true freak. He was freaky, but but it wasn't intriguing to be like a true freak like looking like a true freak Freak he what he was freaky, but I bet you not like I bet you definitely more of a stud well, he's yeah as a football player and as a you know athletic type of guy, but he had some dog in him a 100% I mean whiz I mean you gotta be you gotta be smart as heck in order to play all those sports and the way all The games in 100%

Didn't miss a game. He's probably a dude's dude He probably kept everyone in check in a just a different Jim Brown kind of way But I feel like all those characteristics do lead to being a stud 100% You got to be a stud all over the place Yeah, he's gotta be flat-out stud and to be the best at it all and whatever he did off the field or on the field He is stud. He's a stud man STAMP IT! Well, that's been another episode of dudes on dudes. What can we do better next episode Rob?

Self scout it. Hmm. Well, what do you think? I think we're getting better. We are getting better We're bouncing off each other very well, which we're still figuring out. We are. We're still young. It's like me. I was playing poker the other day and I started off slow and I was figuring out the game more and more as the time was going on. I played 10 hours and I feel like I was a better player at like the seventh hour of playing than the first six hours I was playing because you start picking it up.

We're still new to the podcast game played against Phil Hellmuth. Did you take Antonio? Another pro. I took down Phil. He took me down a couple of times, but I played. You know, I was in there, man. It wasn't like coming after you. They were Jay Moneymaker. They call it a money maker.

I held my own. It was a good time, but we could definitely get better, man. I would say so. I would without a doubt. That's what we're always. That's what this podcast and that's what we're always on the mission to do, to improve. We're trying to improve. Well, rate us and review us so we can, you know, read the comments

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